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Regarding The CLONE WARS Reviews...

Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here. I’m not going to spend a lot of time on this because, frankly, it’s being blown up into something it is not. However, I do believe that there should be a clear explanation here so that you guys know what is going on. When I went to see THE CLONE WARS in Los Angeles, I was told there was an embargo on reviews until the day of release. Yes. I am aware there are reviews all over the place. Welcome to the world of playing by the rules. EMPIRE, THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, and whoever else has reviews up... they know what they were told by the distributor, and I don’t. What I do know is that I was specifically told there is an embargo until the day of release by Warner Bros. I am routinely embargoed on films. In this case, I liked THE CLONE WARS, so it’s not because it’s a negative review. Harry posted his review last night, and then was contacted and told about the embargo by Warner Bros. They called me today to re-emphasize... this is a Warner Bros. policy. As I understand it, Lucasfilm did not directly contact the site. Again... I was not the one who pulled Harry’s story. Only he can do that. With the Massawyrm story, I have to assume it was Merrick who posted it this morning. I’m not sure why it was posted after the night we had last night, but the embargo certainly applies to him as well, and so it had to come back down. Merrick is the one who traditionally posts all Massawyrm material, and unless and until Merrick explains his decision otherwise, I’m going to have to assume it was just poor communication behind the scenes. Good explanation? Not really. Does this whole thing stink? Yep. Sorta does. They’re having public screenings of the film, like yesterday’s show at the Egyptian, and if I’d gone to one of those, no one would be able to embargo anything. But what this is NOT is a conspiracy, gang. If you’re one of those reactionary talkbackers screaming about the situation, allow me to extend a personal invitation to you to calm the fuck down. Embargoes are a reality that any of us who do this professionally have to deal with, and the truth is that they are selectively enforced. Sometimes we’re on the winning end of the proposition, sometimes we’re not. This time, we’re going to have to play it out with the reviews posting on opening day, and not until. As I stated in an earlier talkback, if you repost Harry’s review in the talkbacks, you will be banned. No warning. No appeal. The review is off the site until Friday. That’s an editorial decision, and frankly, Lucas’s little cartoon movie isn’t worth all this sound and fury.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Gay

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Yeeaaa....

    by Baron Karza

    ugh.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Who really gives a shit

    by thejwac

    about this movie?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Does anyone really care?

    by Ebolarama

    It's like a review of The Hottie and The Nottie.. looks like garbage, you know it's going to be garbage, so who fuckin' cares if the review is pulled?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Jwac, you read my mind

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    3rd!

    by wcme

    Well, ya gotta start somewhere. Mine is after "Gay" and "Yeaaaaaa......" but I hope to one day work up to "Fucking Asshat".

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    thx for the big Fuck You to your own users

    by ribbitking

    Seriously, you guys started this site to inform the moviegoer of cool or shitty movies. The attitude in this post is unbelievable.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    BTW...

    by Ebolarama

    A pulled review, or a review "embargo" or whatever, is basically an admission that the movie sucks. An embargo is a worse sign than any negative review could ever be in the first place.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Ribbitking...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... sorry you feel that way, but there's not a single place in that review where I say "fuck you" to the readership. Far from it. At this point, some of you are so worked up that nothing will satisfy you, but that's not something we can control, is it?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Well fuck warner bros.

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    And fuck the clone wars too.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Lucas is in full on retard mode..

    by Baron Karza

    I am going back to read the Tim Zahn books.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    My seven year old said

    by flavius

    "It looks really cheap."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Embargo = "We know this movie is terrible."

    by Flim Springfield

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Not Surpised!

    by Chanoc

    I read both reviews before they got cut and I´m really not surprised how Star Wars came to be a little piece of sh!$. Yesterday I saw for the first time since 1999 The Phantom Menace, and boy I can not understand why I liked it (not loved it) back then. It´s just completely garbage. For me Star Wars is only parts IV-VI, the Timothy Zahn novels and a few Dark Horse comics. That´s all!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Don't Fret, Warner Bros., I wasn't going anyway

    by topaz4206

    I could smell this turd from a mile away, and didn't need this site to confirm it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    embargo or not, damage done

    by zom-bot.com

    and embargo or not, that's just a cheap ass way to hide the stink of a film until the day it's out and half of your friends have already blown their money.<P> i hope this crap venture makes half as much as Swing Vote.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    AICN should announce "embargoed" movies, as a head's up.

    by Flim Springfield

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Ah Generation Y

    by FSJGuy

    And their "i'm entitled to everything, so give me what i want or i will whine very loudly" attitude rears its ugly head...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    BullSpit

    by jemagee

    What a pant load of bollox. You know, this is a cover your ass explanation that stinks to high heaven. WB put an embargo on reviews, but somehow neglected to convey that piece of information to people? Or the people at AICN totally ignored the embargo and then for some reason changed their minds? Either way it stinks to high heaven...I don't buy this lame explanation any more than I believe there are WMDs in Iraq. As Chris Rock says, LIE TO ME...if this were the actual facts of the removal, why not just post it immediately, you KNOW that people are going to wonder why such an anticipated cinematic failure suddenly had it's terrible reviews removed. And the whole 'dimsissal' of the incident in the first line of this post from moriarity...it's called spin folks, classic spin dismissing it like it's not a big deal. And as for WHY anyone gives a shit, it speaks to the integrity of Aint it Cool, the credibiility of Aint it cool, it no longer has any with me, I will no longer trust any of their opinions or their reports because i'll now suspect that all things are just making them tools of some production company they want to stay cool with. This explanation is bollox, the DELAY in the explanation is more bollox, and the piss poor way it was deleted (come on GEEKS program your site so that you can remove a talkback without leaving the remnant that 366 people posted on it, that's just sloppy editing)...is just even more bollox. If it's not a big deal, why the need to explain? Oh right, that's it, because many readers questioned it and obviously questions the integrity of AICN so they had to find a way to cover your asses. Sure, most younger geeks won't give a rats ass either way, but it matters folks, it really does. Jounralistic Integrity, AICN now has as much as Fox News as far as i'm concerned

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Not even a FIRST!!!

    by Chanoc

    This movie/article embargo thing is so lame it didin´t even get a FIRST!! post.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    My problem with your post....

    by ribbitking

    ...Is the attitude that you are so 'professional' that the normal AICN user just can't understand why something like this would happen. I would quote your post, but pretty much all of it has pointless superiority all over it. Reviews got posted, Reviews got pulled... the average reader wants to know why = us blowing things out of proportion? Thx dad

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Why not make a film about Vader between III & IV

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    or, you know, something else that the fans ACTUALLY want to see? I waited three fucking films for some Vader action, and all I got was a girly cry at the end! I HATE YOU LUCAS! I REALLY DO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    See how easy that was?

    by the_patriot

    Like I said in the other two talkbacks...a statement like this is all you had to put up in the first damned place, guys. Being proactive helps diffuse accusations of having your strings pulled by studios - and giving everyone cannon fodder to sling at you. Being reactive (as is now the situation) has only made the haphazard bassackwardness of how you handled the situation a model for ineptness across many a movie blog. Seriously.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Ribbitking, you aren't psychic?

    by Ebolarama

    Like the rest of us who knew exactly what was going on? lol noob

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I love SW, prequels and all, but wasn't seeing this anyway

    by Atticus Finch

    Star Wars is and always will be the king of the mountain as far as epic movie sagas go, even with the flawed prequels (the PT does still have the SW spirit, especially RotS -- Industrykiller! can go fuck himself in his pompous ass if he doesn't think so). But to me, this doesn't even feel like SW, without the 20th century Fox, opening scroll, or any of it. I'll check it out on DVD, though.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    embarGAY!

    by Loosejerk

    although I'd like it if this was a good Star Wars tale, I don't give a shit. I'm taking my kids and I bet they'll like it fine.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    you fuckers really believe this is some sort of conspiracy??

    by IndustryKiller!

    In the words of Everett C. McGill "You all are dumber than a bag 'a hammers".

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    The Force Unleashed (game) is between III & IV

    by Baron Karza

    Thats what its come to.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    why would a company...

    by zom-bot.com

    have a screening to which reviewers are invited to go, then tell them they can't talk about it for seven days? <P>why not just show it the night before. you only need a night to write a review of a movie. <P>the answer is ass kissing and perks and freebies and gift baskets and bribery.And i'm not accusing AICN of playing along with any of that, but that's how it works. <P>i'm sure you all got sent a ventress doll for playing along, but hopefully you will ebay them, donate them or better yet throw them out. <P> i say kudos to you guys for putting them up (knowingly or not, wink wink)but if you are going to be anti establishment at least keep them up or modify them in some form. without going into spoiler details that would breach some embargo, how about harry just post an opinion, not a REVIEW that says simply, in one sentance.'this movie is terrible'. THAT after all, is your job here.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    some quotes ...

    by ribbitking

    "Welcome to the world of playing by the rules." "If you’re one of those reactionary talkbackers screaming about the situation, allow me to extend a personal invitation to you to calm the fuck down." "...that any of us who do this professionally have to deal with" "if you repost Harry’s review in the talkbacks, you will be banned. No warning. No appeal."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Anyways, it looks like it'll suck...

    by The Dum Guy

    I hope Dark Knight stays at the top of the box office until October.

  • Well, "frankly, Lucas’s little cartoon movie isn’t worth all this sound and fury." about says it all. After the Cataclysm that is "Episode(s) 1-3" and the Circle Jerking "Nuke The Fridge" of 2008, you too must really wonder what happened to the rather interesting film student who made "TXH 1138" and "Star Wars" (NOT the special edition.) It begins slowly ...Oh, a removal of eyebrows here, someone else shoots first there, and before you know it, You are spending all your time thinking up JAR JAR BINKS jokes and cracking yourself up at 2:30 in the morning. "Me Sir?" No sir, no more "Clone" anything for me sir. Thanks. I'll be over here with my crummy MEGO Star Wars reliving the good old days....When Jabba wouldnt leave his tail around for just any old person to go walking on....hell, when Jabba was a tailless man. Crazyness!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Brooks

    by Quint

    I don't think you quite understand. It's a shitty situation, but when you break embargoes it isn't about not getting freebies, it's about not getting access to early screenings, meaning you won't get reviews from any of us before the movies come out. There is no censorship here. The review will be reposted in its entirety Friday morning. I'm writing my review up as well. Sometimes we can skirt embargoes, sometimes not. Look at every other website you visit, every print reviewer you read. They're under the same restrictions. I personally think WB knows they have a crappy movie and are enforcing embargoes they've never forced before, but I don't know what's going on behind the scenes at the studio. Who knows?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Let it die

    by Magma Suit

    This fiasco is a surefire sign that Star Wars needs to die a dignified death. ROTS was a fine way to go out, ending with baby Luke and the sunrise and all, that was beautiful. Warts and all, I was satisfied. But now Lucas with his TV shows and this POS movie is doing nothing but drive the universally accepted best genre franchise of all time into the ground, all while tainting the great memories we all have of the films (and I mean both trilogies, thank you very much). Clone Wars is the equivalent of Terminator Salvation as far as I'm concerned. I'm surprised Common wasn't cast in it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I like many of the novels

    by macheesmo3

    Not just the Zahn ones ( though they are good ) Just read Labrynth of Evil by James Luceno and it would have made a Great episdoe 2 !

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Lucas has gone FULL RETARD on AICN

    by fiester

    Search your feelings...you know this to be true.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    What was the point of you seeing it, then?

    by Chief Joseph

    This makes no sense. Why did they invite you guys, knowing that you are reviewers, to this screening if it isn't supposed to be reviewed.<br> Exactly what was the purpose of this screening, then?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Bannings, anger, fear…re-posted and updated.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Bannings, anger, fear, aggression, and hatred. <p><p> This is a dark time for AICN. I almost re-posted Harry’s Clone Wars review because someone asked to see it. It’s weird that I even saved it, really weird. <p><p>So I’m glad I didn’t re-post it, I don’t ever want to be banned, I like AICN, I’ve read it since…I don’t know, ’97 or ’98 even though I only started posting last year.<p><p> The anger displayed here is quite surprising. The whole Uncapie thing (this refers to something in the Tropic Thunder/Retard talkback). Yeah, that was one mean post, but so many others insult the writers of this site all the time and in a far worse manner. I’m not defending Uncapie, but so many others write things just as bad and demeaning. Seriously, some people just use the talkbacks to insult the writers.<p><p>As a writer, I have written and posted things that I regretted later. So we should realize that some people write off the cuff and this forum is practically designed for such knee-jerk writing. I know, because I’m just as guilty as most of you. In all honesty, I love reading a talkback post that makes me smile or laugh. Though I am sick of so many people insulting the writers, but trolling is what trolls do.<p><p> Star Wars brings out the best and worst of us all. We have a passion for it, love it, hate it, sort of like it, ignore it or whatever. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds this geek universe together.<p><p> Some of us mature, some of us don’t. Some of the Star Wars films mature with us, some of them don’t. It seems that we spend so much time searching for the next film or series of films that will do to us what the original trilogy did. For many of us this is our quest, whether we’re aware of it or not. It’s sad and tragic, but we also carry that torch to find A NEW HOPE.<p><p> Of course there are many talkbackers that are mature. There are many talkbackers that don’t have the same connection to STAR WARS that many of us have or had. There are many talkbackers that understand. There are so many that don’t.<p><p> Banning destroys the freedom of this site. It also protects site. Paradoxical. Insulting the writers doesn’t protect the site. Being insulted by the writers doesn’t protect the site. Sometimes the writers themselves write the most disgusting and demeaning descriptions. I can literally go from one post that’s highly intelligent to another post that is pure trash. That’s why I like the site. There’s a range. AICN is a guilty pleasure.<p><p> I wish that AICN never had to apologize for anything, that Harry actually had the freedom to write whatever he wants, but that’s not the world we live in. There are consequences. There are laws. There are codes of honor that even a free-minded movie reviewer must succumb to. Even Harry must censor himself. But I respect what Harry wants AICN to be, the vision he has. It’s similar to what I want every STAR WARS film to be; something greater than itself that allows us to become something greater than ourselves.<p><p>Update:<p> I just thought that I’d re-post this since there is now a proper talkback. And if you read this post before then I apologize you have to scroll past it again.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Why is the Force Unleashed not a movie?

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    instead of this piece of horse shit?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    So let me get this straight Atticus

    by IndustryKiller!

    The prequel trilogy with their sloppy storytelling, inorganic cartoon world, two dimensional characters, continuity breaking, etc. still FEEEEEELLLLLSSSS like Star Wars but Clone Wars is the devil because of, let me get this straight now, the fucking 20th Century Fox logo??!!! Hahahahaha, it's jackasses like you that make fighting these fights worthwhile.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Exactly - Who Gives a Shit?

    by Read and Shut Up

    George Lucas laughs at every one of the stupid asses who purchase each "special edition" of his bullshit - let alone those who want to watch cartoons of his fucked-up, continual raping of a pretty great 2.5 movies. I read Wyrm's review before it got yanked, and I wanted to say I REALLY appreciate his honesty. Lucas is a liar, a two-bit carpetbagger who counts on the memories of his fan base while he consistently fists them. <p><p> The funniest thing? The shitbag acts like Star Wars was some kind of "weight" or imposition to him - a roadblock, that he had to get out of the way so he could make "a small, independent art-house movie." Anyone have ANY idea when we're seeing that? Oh - he probably doesn't have time to make it, as he's stuffing your hard-earned cash into his polyester slacks. <p><p> Truth be told, that chinless fuck used up all his goodwill when he added more effects to SW, Empire and Jedi. He shits on his fanbase, who then puts it on a plate, warms it up and eats it - and then PAY him for it. Anyone who gives this asshole more money ought to be downright ashamed.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Huge SW fan here, but i will skip this shit

    by ls420

    I dont care for the animation, if you are gonna use cgi, why not make it a bit more dynamic? Uncle George is off his rocker...I have no hope for the live action series

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Yawn

    by jemagee

    So the excuse is that Warners in some way wasn't CLEAR about their embargo until after the poor reviews were already published. And to the person who thinks those who are a bit perturbed are screaming conspiracy, it's not about conspiracy, it's about integrity. I find it hard to believe that warner was so unclear about when reviews should be published or that the writers for AICN are that dim that they wouldn't have understood the word embargo and what it meant. So either the embargo was established after the reviews were published or the people who published the reviews are too slow to understand forrest gump...take your pick

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    What was the point of the screening?

    by Ebolarama

    Why not wait til it comes out, if you can't write about it til it comes out?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Zom-Bot, YES, they did the exact same thing with The Dark Knight

    by IndustryKiller!

    Some reviewers were forced to sit on their dark knight reviews for weeks before posting them. Tons of websites wrote stories about how badly they wanted to review the film but weren't allowed. Look it up.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    "eactionary" defined

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Reactionary means "To revert to outmoded ways of thinking", not "To overreact" or "Easily prompted into reacting." <P>And Mori, it's been real obvious for years that AICN has business connections to certain producers or properties. You can't really blame people for jumping to that conclusion in this case, even if your above post is the truth.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Nuked the review

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Heh

    by PotSmokinAlien

    I meant Reactionary.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Flames on the review

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Nipples on the review

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Organic review shooters

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I think that about covers it

    by Ebolarama

    Am I right?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Coming this Friday...

    by Ebolarama

    Michael Bay Presents: Harry's Star Wars Review: Special Edition, with extra explosions, guitar solos, hot chicks, and rappers

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The drama here at AICN...

    by Dapper Swindler

    ...is likely far more entertaining than this movie will be.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    ya forgot save the review with a giant rubbery snake

    by TheFunkyEnigma

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    So, Quint, I take it you didn't like it?

    by The Dum Guy

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Clone Wars Review of Doom!

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    What's the big deal?!

    by Crackles

    Read the fucking review on Friday and quit thinking that you know what's going on behind the scenes at AICN!! What a bunch of babies!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks FunkyEnigma

    by Ebolarama

    I knew I was forgetting something

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    The review had a beer and cheated on its wife...

    by The Dum Guy

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie's Clone Wars Review

    by Ebolarama

    Shows the dysfunctional childhood of the adolescent review, and how it turned it into a psychopathic monster.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    george could care less if we like it.

    by zom-bot.com

    in his eyes, we aren't 'understanding' it. It's warners that are worried about about having a stinker on their hands. george is so far removed from the integrity of star wasrs, nothing we say here will phase him, so let's not bother with insulting that chinless racist impotent lumberjack fetishist. <P> i'm not pissed at AICN, btw, i'm pissed about how freedom of speech and opinion come second to 'the game', and wonder why they tease potential fans and torture professional reviewers with the early screening-then shut the fuck up treatment.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Christopher Nolan Presents: The Dark Review

    by Ebolarama

    A much edgier, solemn review for a new generation. Not your father's Clone Wars review!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Richard Brooks, sounds good

    by Ebolarama

    I'll be all over that shit

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    What purpose does it serve to comply with Warner ?

    by G100

    Genuinely curious as there are many, many websites (some fairly high profile) posting reviews and ignoring this bit of High Handed Studio Petulance.<p> <p>So what do AICN know that they don't ?<p> <p>And will the Warners wrath be anyway ? Financial Lawyer based or simply access to Movies and info ?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    so can you please explain

    by Cedar_Room

    what exactly would the consequences be of ignoring the embargo? Because I think for us TBers thats the real rub of things here. Its obvious that other sites and magazines have ignored this embargo and decided to go ahead and publish what their reviewers thought (admittedly from what I've read none were quite as scathing as Harry and Massawrym's). But we've already read that no-one signed an agreement before the screening, and from what has been posted on others TBs already, it seems unlikely that without that WB or Lucasfilm could impose any legal sanctions on you guys. So then what could they do if you flouted this embargo as so many others have done? Because the suspicion is that the threat was not legal action, but that you guys would be thrown off the gravy train. That WB and/or Lucas would stop sending you goodies. Stop inviting you to set visits, to advanced screenings. The question is therefore - is that worth it for the loss of credibility you are suffering? You know the reason I have been coming to AICN for years is that I always thought that this was a site for film geeks run by film geeks. The idea I had of AICN - whether it be entirely spurious or not - was that if a studio told them about some bullshit embargo such as this they would say FUCK THE EMBARGO THE PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. The Star Wars geeks need to know that this cartoon is shit and they really shouldn't waste their money going to see it when it opens. I for one have certainly trusted you guys in the past to steer me through the studio press releases and the paid-for hack reviewers to tell me whats really going on with a film. And on several occassions I have not gone to see a film thats been hyped to fuck because you guys panned it. And also been to see films I wouldn't normally have because you've raved about these films. Thats why I'm interested in what you think, because in the past I have trusted it. The question is now - do you just not give a shit anymore about telling the truth? do you prefer to live inside the studios pockets or is the shit they are threatening you with so damn apocalyptic that posting those reviews just ain't worth it? In all seriousness - the entire credibility of AICN hangs on this very question.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Didn't this site start out with *unofficial* news?

    by Dreamwriter

    As in, in the early days it would all be stuff someone managed to sneak into. In those days an embargo here would mean nothing. And your following the embargo this time makes little sense to me: you do it so you can continue to get us early reviews. But wait, if every movie screening from now on is embargoed, we don't get any more early reviews!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Warner Bros. is full of shit

    by Heckles

    They know Clone Wars is a dog and are holding all reviews. There is not a studio that would try and stifle good internet buzz. Especially with a product like Star Wars. They know nerd buzz spreads like herpes on Paris Hilton's steamy beef curtains. The movie sucks and they want you to buy a case of dumb ass action figures and make a Jabba The Hutt Jr. 2009 Comic-Con costume before you figure it out.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    george lucas did something a little rude to my childhood...

    by billyhitchcock

    ...it's almost impossible to watch the originals (not the SE's) now without feeling abused. damn the beard and his megalomania.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams, Producer of "Review"

    by Ebolarama

    The review that will consist only of questions, and confuse the fuck out of you. Also, maybe a few scenes of a blurry monster.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I love the freedom of speech argument

    by jemagee

    When it' used against anyone but a governmental agency, and hence really has no bearing what so ever...i'm not disputing the right of warners to have the embargo, it's their right as much as the putzes who made MGS4 put an embargo on reviews cause they didn't want people to know about 45 minute cut scenes (or whatever, i don't care about MGS at all, but that's what happened recently)...what i find curios is that either the embargo was relayed poorly or the people at AICN misinterpreted it or the excuse is a load of horse pucky...i don't BUY the explanation given, it just doesn't ring as truth any more than Bill O'reilly does

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Empire

    by Papa Lazaru

    I wonder why Empire have been permitted to review it so early and yet Warners are having a fit over some fanboy opinions . I bought empire well over a week ago and there was the review . Load and proud and the verdict . Average at best .

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    I don't care about review embargoes

    by Darth Busey

    but its time that the fandom flexes its muscle and lets Luca$ know that we're not going to support shitty product anymore. Please refrain from paying money to see this, and let Luca$ feel the fanboy wrath where it hurts; his wallet.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    waaaa! let me throw my toys outta my pram

    by Mr_X

    <br>who give a fuck honestly? talkerbackers baying for the blood of reviewers. christ almighty, they've explained their stancel. no reviews allowed until the date due. no ifs no buts. why so fucking serious? ethy're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. it makes not a lot of business sense to to do that. and why the fuck are you getting your panties in a thwist over a fuckign review? go on the web and check out the other reviews if you really really need to know. </br> <br> talkbackers of late have become arsy about everything and anything of late, its like constant fucking pms'ing on this site wtf? who give a shit. chill out bro's!</br>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Cobbio

    I don't care one way or the other. About the posting and pulling of AICN reviews, or the film. Genndy Tartakovsky already gave us the ENTIRE Clone Wars story, from soup to nuts, thus this new piece of shit is nothing but revisionist Star Wars history as well as a kiddie money grab.<p> Creepy, isn't it? Lucas is like a Twilight Zone apparition who hovers with his angelic bearded smile, while his demonic money-making rage enslaves the minds of everyone.<p> Not me, George. Go fuck yourself.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    TO ALL THE FUCKING AICN LIFERS

    by SuperBurgerBat

    CHILL the FUCK OUT. Really. I'm rarely compelled to sign in and post here, but I've been an avid reader for over a decade. And the kind of heat that AICN is getting is ridiculous. You've been allowed to shit and piss all over this site for years, and finally it has devolved into fucking MADNESS. I understand the anger of the Banned, but come on. This is crazy. So AICN deleted your User IDs. You motherfuckers deserved it. Get over it. Just because you're a loser that posts on AICN every fucking day for 8 years doesn't mean that you have any say in any matters on this site. No one on this staff has to explain to you FUCKS why you can't post your vitriol here, like many people in the Tropic Thunder say that they're "owed". You'd think AICN was stealing people's property with all the "we deserve an explanation" and "SERIOUSLY WTF HARRY". Just because you've spent a large portion of your life on AICN trying to create a mini-celebrity pseudonym doesn't mean that it can't be taken RIGHT THE FUCK AWAY from your ungrateful asses. Honestly, I do prefer the older days of this site, mostly before the douchery of ChocolateReign and his ilk overran the talkbacks and started acting like it's their fucking living room and generally adding very little to ANY discussion. This place needs a serious culling, in this faithful reader's eyes, to get back to the times before cynical FUCKS made their nest here.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    PotSmoking...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... no, we don't. I don't have any "business connections to certain producers or properties," and frankly, I resent the accusation. <P>Every reviewer has biases. Things they like more than other things. EVERY. SINGLE. REVIEWER. EVERYWHERE. EVER. But that's not the same as having a business arrangement with someone. If what you mean is "Some of your biases are blatantly obvious," I'll happily agree. Otherwise, you're wrong.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    To G100...

    by the_patriot

    Part of the reason that Hollywood Reporter and Empire can get away with it is that they're frakkin huge media outlets. Sure, Warner can try to impose their embargo on this - and both of them can react by not publicizing any Warner movies of any kind. That would be disastrous, espeically around awards time. Enforcing against other media giants like that only pisses off industry insiders and important people - while enforcing it on AICN only pisses off a few thousand fans/geeks. I know this because yes, I got banned by a local press agency at one point when I was still a reviewer. Fun times. ;-)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Dreamwriter

    by Darth Busey

    Those days are long gone. AICN hasn't done stuff like that since the studios began catering to them around 2000 or so.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Just as I suspected for years..

    by dudemandude

    I'll make this brief. I've relied on AICN for over 10 years. I remember some incredible news that Harry delivered.. I never once had any reason to question his or any of the writers integrity. Slowly, things changed. Godzilla was a big turning point for me. That review.. I'm a 40 year old 20 year veteran, I am completely aware of varying tastes, but I had up until that point, shared very similar opinions to Harry on film and TV. I just couldn't figure out how he could love Godzilla.. <BR> <BR> Then came the advertisements for the very films they were reviewing. Very hard to objectively opine on a film when said films studio is paying you to advertise on your web site. Conflict of interest? <BR> <BR> Then came the party invites, set invites, guest spots in movies. I don't see Ebert doing this, or any other famous critic. As a journalist (and this is what you are) you have certain ethical standards to follow. Conflicts of interest should be made publicly aware. You have a duty to be honest and forthright to the public which you serve. <BR> <BR> I do still continue to visit this site, I love it. I don't put much weight in everything I read, but still can find some enjoyment in what I'm reading. I'm just more selective about the type of information I visit this site for; if I want Watchmen updates I come here, that's an example. But, if I want a movie review, I don't. <BR> <BR> I just hope that Harry and those under his employ will someday go back to the roots of the site. Gritty news with an edge on Hollywood that you couldn't get anywhere else. There was style and substance then and less toilet humor. The site definitely has devolved in recent years.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Presents, Review 20th Anniversary

    by Ebolarama

    All negative have been replaced with walkie talkies.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Presents, Review 20th Anniversary

    by Ebolarama

    All negative comments have been replaced with walkie talkies.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, cuz we needed reviews to know this movie blows

    by pleasebanme

    Oh, and no other movie sites are repealing THEIR reviews, you fucking pussies.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Cobbio - Right the Fuck On

    by Read and Shut Up

    'nuff said.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    SuperBurgerBat

    by Darth Busey

    I am all in favor of a Talkback user culling. SuperBurgerBat for moderator.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Basic Instinct 2 is actually a pretty effective thriller.

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Bruce Willis in Review Hard 4

    by Ebolarama

    One scathing motherfu(gunshot) review!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Aint it cool has a broader audience reach

    by jemagee

    than any publication that requires a subscription, especially on like hollywood reporter, AICN is available to anyone who wants it, freely, just own a computer...which i'm assuming most of you own (Sure some of you are shut ins in the library, but you have rights too)...to imply that aint it cool must be beholden to warner brothers WHO HAS BEEN FUCKING UP GEEK PROPERTIES FOR DECADES is ridiculous...as they have more power to influence who goes to see WB movies than WB has influence to do anything really DOes warners still own part of the cw? If so they should stick to trying to convince people that gossip girls ratings don't suck like monica lewinsky

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    threats and bluffs

    by zom-bot.com

    realistically, WHY would a major movie company threaten a site- especially a site like AICN who DEALS in the money and emotions of fanboys and repeat ticketbuyers- with a threat of 'no more advanced screenings, no more access to interviews or junkets'.<P>the only way that would be effective is if they banished AICN for maybe a month. like grounding your kid or putting him in his room to pout without dinner.<P>if warner (or anyone) kept AICN, CHUD or any other niche market, fan-centric review site out of the loop for very long, THE HARM WOULD BE TO THAT COMPANY, NOT THE SITE.<P>that is the reality. bloggers would bitch up or boycott that film company or it's movie. but on the basic level, there would be less of the precious 'internet buzz' the company is used to abusing and researching.<P> that's why any threat for breaking an embargo is bullshit. <P>AICN, you are like the girl in the relationship, only you don't realize YOU have the POWER.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Sam Jackson, star of Reviews on a Plane

    by Ebolarama

    "I have had it with these motherfuckin' reviews on this motherfuckin' website!"

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    OMG! That review was totally pulled!

    by ebonic_plague

    What kind of fucking TMZ reject bottom feeder gets worked up enough about the removal of a CGI cartoon review to actually whine about it like it's an assault on their civil liberties? I know it's said all the time, but any such people are fucking losers... they don't care at all about movies, just being somehow "involved" in the insider/hypemachine/circlejerk that swirls around the production of these movies like bits of turd flotsam that seem to survive every attempt at being flushed. Give Mori a fucking break and go join the rest of your untouchable caste over at Chud where this kind of douchebaggery is accepted.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Ban your writers, not your users...

    by ribbitking

    So the writers and editors have less responsibility than the users of the site? They were allowed to post their reviews (have them pulled down later). Yet, you threaten your users with immediate banning with no appeal if they post the same damn review. This is cold and fucking sort've insane.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    dudemandude

    by Darth Busey

    I don't think any intelligent people would find argument with your post. Keep in mind that 10 years ago, Harry and these guys were doing this stuff on their free time; now, its likely the primary source of income for at least a couple of them. AICN had to lose its "renegade" status in order to make that happen. I can't begrudge them that; they get to do what they love and get paid for it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    What was that stupid line in FF7:AC?

    by PirateEmery

    Dilly dally, shilly shally?<p> Who the fuck cares about the reviews? What I come for on this site is the "AICN crew" and their opinion on movies. If it is a movie that I am anxiously excited for, I may want that review about now. For a movie like Clone Wars, I really don't care. I'll read the review when it comes out, but it is not integral to my life at the moment. You guys can post the reviews whenever you want, we don't need them at this instant.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Clarification

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    No matter what review I have read or not read, no matter the general consensus, no matter how flattering, no matter how inflammatory, no matter what AICN says, no matter what WB or Lucasfilm says... I am going to see Clone Wars in a theater.<p><p>It's a TV show debuting on the big screen with lots more crazy action than any TV show in history. As a fan of action, this looks to have more battles and chases than anything else ever done in the visual medium. This will be groundbreaking, but I realize that groundbreaking doesn't build a foundation. It's an experiment.<p><p>So I will gladly hand over $4.50 to see this in a theater for a simple 100 minutes of entertainment. Lucas has a knack for doing things that many people dislike, he's like a punk rocker, but like any punk rocker, no matter what ideology is there, they must make product.<p><p>Product.<p>And there will be 100 episodes of this. Despite partnering with studios, Lucas does things differently and independently but uses the current studio structure to his own ends. Lucas has freedom. And many people are jealous of that power. I wish more people had that power.<p><p>Will I watch all 100 episodes? I don't know, that's a lot of STAR WARS, even for a lifelong fan, but If I like the CLONE WARS in the theater then I'll tune in until they turn me off.<p><p>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    who cares...its sucks

    by bacci40

    and if you cunts keep buying into the shit that lucas is selling...you are all fucking marks...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Dumb.

    by Cotton McKnight

    It was stupid to release the review in the first place, IF that's what really happened. Why on earth would you do that? Seriously?! One almost wants to believe that it was a conspiracy because the real story is so stupid. What, you didn't think they would notice that you broke the terms of seeing the movie early? If it was a big "fuck you" to the industry, fine. But you pulled it as soon as you were notified. Duh.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    You poor lost souls

    by BillyPilgrim

    Wait till Friday when you can feverishly hit the refresh button and maybe be first. Get a grip.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    SuperBurgerBat ROFL

    by dudemandude

    I'd like to add that really in the end SuperBurgerBat said it best.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    AICN is the girl in the relationship?

    by ebonic_plague

    Must be one of those Joey and Mary Jo Buttafuoco type relationships.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    So break the embargo

    by Dapper Swindler

    Fuck it, why comply? It's not a legal issue is it? You just will offend the stuio. So offend them. Lose your early invite status to screenings and stuff. The site will still get early reviews from those that do go and write reviews for this site under pseudonyms. That way, AICN can still remain a cool underground site that speaks the truth and not just like any other movie site or publication that must follow the studios' rules. <p> If this embargo shit is for real, then there is a need for a site that will spill the truth about movies when no one else will. If AICN doesn't fill that role then perhaps another site will.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, and I remember when Moriarty was cool

    by pleasebanme

    Those were the days. I used to respect his taste in movies. Then came the X-Men 3 review. That...changed things. And now we have the petulant child Moriarty that seems to lack any humility or sense of humor at his own expense whatsoever. Seriously, dude, I know that 80% of the talkbackers on this site are ignorant vile scumbags that spew very hurtful things at you guys, but you can at least have the decency to either ignore these assholes or at least refuse to show them how much they aggravate you. Your responses make you come off as an egocentric wretch with a serious chip on your shoulder.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah Richard, I think we've exhausted this one

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Speaking of AICN and Star Wars

    by Darth Busey

    Remember when AICN posted the first .wav of Jar Jar speaking from TPM and the internet almost blew up? Now THAT was the kind of thing that defined "ain't it cool?"

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Fun while it lasted!

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    but its too late, we all know it sucks now

    by BurgerKing

    what have they got to lose??

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    we all know if the reviews were good, they'd still be here

    by Tallguyme

    just sayin'

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    just boycott the movie

    by zom-bot.com

    i wasn't going to see it anyway, not even months later 'on demand', but many of you probably were, and i strongly suggest now you just don't. <P>simple.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    There are different degrees of bloggers

    by jemagee

    and many are considered jounralists and employed by 'respectable' news organizations like ESPN or Yahoo (ok semi respectable) AND they are hated by marc cuban...the world's evolving folks, there are bloggers who are journalists and whether they like it or not AICN writers are more than just the 'individual' bloggers whose blog is read by his father and his kids...and as such they have a responsibility to the people who come to their site and click on the ads and as such keep them employed

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    and isnt this like taking away your freedoms?

    by BurgerKing

    see a movie, no motherfucker your NOT allowed to put your opinion of it online! YOU FUCK

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    FUCK EMBARGOED REVIEWS!

    by FuckMichaelBay

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    FUCK EMBARGOED REVIEWS!

    by FuckMichaelBay

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    for some real Vader actions

    by Gorgomel

    we will have to wait for Star Wars : the Force Unleashed

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    FUCK EMBARGOED REVIEWS!

    by FuckMichaelBay

    We were bound to find out it was shit sooner or later.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    WWJHD?

    by Darth Busey

    What would Joe Hallenbeck do? I remember.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I'm not paying to see any more SW stuff - especially

    by SpencerTrilby

    when it looks that bad. <p> But I'd buy me some overtime to follow this TB all day if I could! Funny stuff. <p>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Joe Hallenbeck

    by jemagee

    Wouldn't he just shoot everyone and then do a jig?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    what is the point

    by SwedishChef

    of screening a movie only to tell said reviewers not to review said movie? Obviously the movie stinks to high heaven. My feelings serve me well.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, what riley said

    by jemagee

    Pretend it's your aunts living room (and no one here is going to get that)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Clone Wars 2 - Revenge of the Banned

    by SpencerTrilby

    Pondscum, ChocolateReign and other banned regulars assemble into one GIANT FUCKING ROBOT.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    This used to be a site Hollywood feared....

    by Jobacca

    Seriously...script leaks,behind the scenes photos,reviews of bootleg editing bay copies of the prequels. What happened? This site lost its balls a long time ago. As Dudeman mentioned,its a great place to come to see updates and freebies that the studio has sent you(i.e. Watchmen exclusives) but this site is dead as far as objective reviews and attacks on the industry goes. Any movie,no matter how shitty,can be justified and given a decent review if the price is right. And for what its worth,Harrys review is already all over the goddamn net. I will be curious to hear what he has to say on the 15th though.....

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Moriarty...

    by mefrog

    I'm down for bannings for people that make thoughtless threats, or talk about rape, or blatantly spam (I read my first ScriptGirl TB and never saw so many pathetic people all in one place) but seriously, it seems that more and more (in the past few weeks) bannings have become WILDLY frequent.<br> <br> Is there any way that we can get a TOS? Something that just... lays down boundaries. I mean, AICN has very few limits and I love it and that's one of the reasons I have been coming here for years but I think there'd be a lot less hate talk and pointless angry posts if people knew why they were getting banned. So... yeah... why no Terms of Service?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    SuperBurgerBat

    by Stengah

    shut the fuck up you fucking faggot, all your post is waaah waaah fucking waaaah. please dont post for another decade.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    the Dark Knight

    by SwedishChef

    screened a couple of weeks before release. Reviews were allowed to be written and posted well in advance of the release date. WB knew they had a winner on their hands. The redundant clone wars on the other hand....not so much.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    The best thing to come out of Star Wars in 20 years

    by Garbageman33

    Is the Star Wars kid. Did Lucas get him pulled too?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Thank You the_patriot

    by G100

    Makes sense.<p> <b>But it simply underlines that AICN are currently uncomforably straddling the line between Big enough to ignore Warner and small enough to fall through the Gaps and still ignore them.<p> <p>I had thought AICN had a fair bit of influence (not megacorporation influence obviously but enough to be a good barometer and still have a little clout) but yeah it certainly underlines how business driven some of this shit is and AICN are in a bit of a no win situation here because they are complying with the studios wishes.<p> <p>Even if they hadn't posted until the embargo date the talkbacks would be screaming almost as much about the "silence" and accusing everyone of being in Lucas's pocket.<p> <p>On the plus side this sort of Warner Douchebaggery wil be remembered as will the fact that Lucas seems fine with it so it will tarnish him almost as much as this crappy little animation has.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Joe Hallenbeck

    by Darth Busey

    was the alias of a former contributor to AICN, who provided lots of scoops in a very readable, entertaining fashion. Ultimately, he experienced some "Imperial entanglements", and was effectively erased from the site. Was a pretty disappointing black mark for AICN, IIRC.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Clone Wars will own your ass!

    by Magma Suit

    No. No it won't.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Mori I have a question

    by Sparhawk38

    If a reviewer for the site saw it at a screening he wasn't specifically invited to....could he or she post a review that did not break the embargo or would that inflame WB and still cause you guys trouble...just curious.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    why...

    by DigitalBeachWar

    ... does this movie look like a pre-vis animation?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    so many 12 year olds with access to the internet

    by m00kiedood

    AICN is a business, with a purpose to earn money, by running reviews and news that appeals to a specific audience. <P> The site exists to give reviews, whether you agree with them or not, and even allows a forum for everyone to jerk themeselves into a froth over flames on Optimus Prime. <P> The site does not exist to give the finger to the industry, or to perfectly reflect your own specific bloody opinion. How long would this site be in business if it existed outside the industry? How many versions of the website do you think they'd need to run so that everyone could read exactly their own opinion echo'd back to them? <P> Just how long you think it would be a active if they thumbed their noses at things like embargoes, or if they stormed around screaming like all the 12 year olds in this talkback demanding that they fuck the embargo... or simpering that they remember back when so and so was cool, before some review got posted that they disagreed with. <P> Man, this site exists and makes money because it manages to work inside the industry to the extent it needs to, in order to sneak news and give reviews on topics that appeal to the people who read it.. so that they can make money selling ads. <P> It's not brain surgery, people. Good god, you're fortunate they don't just pull the plugs on the talk backs altogether. I can't imagine putting up with this grief and you assholes on a daily basis.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Re: Cap'n Jack

    by Darth Busey

    "fact is you guys aren't a legitimate news source..." I've seen AICN reviewer quotes listed in movie print ads. If that's not a sign that the studios are legitimizing AICN, I don't know what is.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Richard

    by jemagee

    He's really a muppet?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    STOP DEMONIZING THE AICN CRITICS!!!

    by Goonie

    Some of you guys are fucking ridiculous. Moriarty offers a solid explanation for this embargo and you guys shit on him. You sound like a bunch of spoiled 10 year-olds. Anyone who knows anything about the film industry would understand that it would really hurt AICN to risk their relationship with Warner Bros over this embargo. As Mori himself said, if he had caught this movie at a normal showing, then the embargo wouldn't count. However, Warner Bros. provided our boys with an early screening of the film, so they have to play by Warner Bros.' rules. Look, we all know that this film is gonna be a huge let-down for old-school Star Wars fans. The studio is clearly freaked out about negative reviews. Give Harry and Mori and Massaworm a break and focus your anger against Warner Bros/Lucasfilm.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    P.S. I saw about 10 minutes of this at Comic-Con...

    by Goonie

    And it sucked. Children may love it, but I was totally let down.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    oh jesus leave them alone.

    by frankenfickle

    they saw the movie, were asked to hold their reviews. they thoughtfully leaked them for you, then removed them when WB called. harry's is online at another site. massa's wasn't that different. just get googling, you whippersnappers, and stow the wah-wah.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    makes sense

    by gringostar

    Thanks for the clarification! Sure people will over react to something that they feel is improper, however if a commonsense explanation is produced, cooler heads will prevail. I for one could have cared less about the actual Clone Wars review, however the strange disappearance of the reviews was a bit disconcerting. I would have been very disappointed to learn that an outside influence (Lucasfilm) was editing the free flow of ideas and opinions that take place a public forum. Your explanation is both logical and appreciated. Thanks Mori!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Baron Karza....

    by thethedew

    ...you a Micronauts fan? Toy or Comic?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Keep Star Wars going!!!

    by IAmLegolas

    so that it gets even worse and the rest of you "Star Wars Fans" can join us bitter fucks. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! (cough)

  • People will be hearing all about how Warner are banning bad reviews from the net, word of mouth and other places.<p> <p>Most people who regularly go to the Movies aren't going to happily give up their hard earned cash for something that is creating such a stink and is so clearly frightened of all the bad reviews it's getting.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    m00kiedood

    by Darth Busey

    "AICN is a business, with a purpose to earn money, by running reviews and news that appeals to a specific audience. " I think the point some long-time readers are making is that this was not always the case. Again, I don't think anybody is begrudging the crew for "selling out" or whatever you want to call it; we all pretty much sell out at some point in our lives, and its great that they get to make a living doing stuff that they love in a legitimate fashion. This is just a case of some older dudes glowing nostalgic for the past, and remembering how this site came to be what it is.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by IAmLegolas

    AICN lost on that game of chicken. Do you really think the WB would have blacklisted you guys forever? Not with the readership you do, or after this, you HAD. Yet another turning point for the decline of AICN as we know it. Like the others, I still come back for the hilarity of the "rabid weasels" of the talkbacks and not so much the reviews.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    polll4t= spot on

    by Stengah

    most of the time i have to read a fucking life story when reading some of the reviews. dont want to say whos reviews cause i dont wanna get banned lol, but its pretty obvious. (not you harry)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    dudemandude

    by SuperBurgerBat

    I think the adverts were/are a reaction to the massive popularity that AICN achieved in the late 90's-early 00's, and subsequently when Hollywood's marketing depts realized what a valuable resource this site is in reaching their desired demographic. I must agree with the majority of your post, and add that this site has had a status change in today's world of blogging and instant news everywhere, but to me, and for you (I'm sure) AICN has always been the original when it comes to cool movie news. I actually think it's great that the staff is "in the business" and although it may appear to be a conflict of interest sometimes, in the end I have faith that Harry and Mori know what they're doing. A blatant reach-around would blow this site up, as evidenced by the fact that everyone's blood is boiling at an assumed reach-around. So yeah, everyone a collective deep breath, and let the hating on SuperBurgerBat commence. Stengah, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but I wasn't "waaah waaah"-ing at all. I said what I said with authority and a matter-of-factly tone. You should be culled.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Does anyone see anything inherently wrong..

    by malificus

    ..with a site like AICN giving a rats ass what Warner wants? Wasn't this site built on the premise of Harry getting in to advance screenings as an ordinary joe and then going home and posting the straight shit about what he saw. And now companies like Warner realize that you shoot these guys an advance pass or two because being first is EVERYTHING and if they want passes in the future they post when the studio says to post. Now they own your asses because before you'd cut into the opening weekend profit by filling in the most curious ahead of time, now they'll at least squeeze the cash from those not wise enough to see a train wreck coming. Irony.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Cedar Room has it right

    by Avenging Disco Godfather

    It sounds like AICN is more afraid of not getting the freebies from the studios, the inside access, the free screenings. Oh shit, then then might actually have to start posting reviews from anonymous screeners again. Just like they used to do. Oh well.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Mori -

    by Mindworm22

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Movie reviews are not journalism - be it AICN or Ebert

    by SpencerTrilby

    at least, not under my definition of journalism. Educated opinions, at best. <p> It doesn't mean that they have to behave like spoiled kids and break the embargo. This site is a business. Mori may be living with selling his scripts, or Massawyrm selling pot, but Harry's gotta eat. It may be cynical to say so, but it's Harry's site, if he wants to follow WB oukase it's his right. I strongly support the establishment of TOS as so many fellow TBers previously said. So the ban hammer may be justified. Think about it, Harry.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Lose the 'tude

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Otherwise, kudos for actually addressing the issue. By the tone of it, it was hard to swallow your pride and do it, but you did the right thing.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Mori -

    by Mindworm22

    In regards to Pot Smokin's post saying AICN has ties to certain properties and producers, I have to ask -- how do you guys stand behind Harry's shameless shilling for HD-DVD?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    btw, what does this mean?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Waht are they seeking to accomplish anyway? Lessening the film's chance of success? I was going to go and now I'm not, and not because of any bad reviews.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Wow - Not I definately won't see the movie

    by CrazyGnome

    I was leaning against it, but the blocking of reviews shows the producers even think it is crap. If you have it, send Harry's review out in emails to spread across the U.S. by Friday. The best way to get better movies is to let the crap ones tank at the box office. You can rent for a $1 at those red boxes outside the supermarkets.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Lorna Dune

    by Goonie

    The point is, stop shitting on Harry and Moriarty just because they had to pull a review. I am not trying to be superior to anyone, but I can't stand the people who come here just to diss the guys who work their asses off to maintain this site.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    AICN brought this controversy on themselves

    by Anakin Whoopass

    If the reviews had never gone up, they wouldn't have been pulled. Readers would think they hadn't been written yet.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    "Review embargo" = "No screenings for critics"

    by Stalin vs Predator

    I.e. "We already know our movie is horrible (But we'll still have a positive quote from some random website for the DVD cover)"

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    downward spiral

    by zom-bot.com

    warner forcing the pull of bad reviews here- embargo or not- is the trigger to this movie's bombing.<P>god knows all of america doesn't come to AICN, but this shit has a week to trickle out to friends and family and coworkers now. it's all downhill from here.<P> let it be said, thank you guys for writing honest and disappointed reviews in the first place, but not for caving to the threat which is just a bluff tactic... <P>a movie this risky in an established and sinking franchise is RELIANT on fan buzz. they need you/us whether they like it or not.<P>ironically as i finishe this a clone wars trailer is on tv)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    SuperBurgerBat

    by dudemandude

    I agree with you. The only real complaint I have is they use too many exclaimation points! ;)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Great Idea

    by CrazyGnome

    Simple. Don't post review, but let us know if there is a review embargo for a film. Saw that above, great idea. Saves us money for gas.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Richard Brooks

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I hope you rot in hell

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Mori, as far as "control" is concerned...

    by digitalcos

    I'd say a damn better job can be done.<p>We aren't all AICN insiders. From our point of view, two reviews were posted and taken down. Not updated with an explanation, just "poof" gone.<p> without an explanation you're going to get speculation because that's all you leave us.<p>You can't attack TBers for making assumptions and guesses when you haven't provided us with the whole story earlier. Try to see things from our point of view, then tell me you won't have thought something shady was going on.<p>If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then we should wait for Mori to tell us to "calm the fuck down" before we assume it's a duck.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Insane

    by blueeyeboy77

    I can't believe the attention this is getting - we all know it's going to be crap so who cares if we get the review now or on friday?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Where I come from

    by Sanuro

    we don't take kindly to childkillers. Screw you, Anny.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Pick a side AICN - are you inside or outside the industry?

    by Dapper Swindler

    Let me break it down again. Here are the options as I see it. <p> AICN can be in the industry. This means they get invited to early screenings, get interviews, sneak peaks, all that jazz. The cost is that they gotta follow the same rules as everyone else. That means adhering to embargos and whatever other stuff the studios make sites in the industry follow. So there are advantages and disadvantages.<p> The other option is for AICN to work outside the industry. Post spoilers, undercover scoops, and negative early reviews. You'd piss off all the studios and be blackballed from all the interviews, prescreenings, and other goodies that you enjoy now. You'd still get those early reviews by spies writing in under pseudonyms who did get invited to those pre-screenings. But you can say goodbye to all the great 1 on 1 interviews and other priviliges. So again, advantages and disadvantages. <p> So did I accurately explain the situation? If so, I personally prefer the latter option. If AICN is going to be a buddy to the film industry then it will get just about the same news that I can read on 99% of all other movie sites. I think AICN and its crew of passionate, hate-filled talkbackers are better suited to be the enemies of the industry that publish the stories they don't want us to because god knows we'll rip them apart.<p> Even if AICN sticks with the former option, I'll probably still come here. But I will be disappointed. And surely another website will spring up that will fill the niche of the industry killer. I'd definitely visit that site.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    This reminds me of the MGS4 review restrictions...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...bear in mind, that I liked MGS4. Just saying it reminds me...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    All this star wars worship is ruining my childhood!

    by crab_cakes

    Why couldn't it just have been the original 3 films? It was way cooler fantasizing about the prequels and everything in-between than actually seeing what it turned out to be. Whatever Mr. Lucas, make your lame-ass movies...go ahead, ruin Indiana Jones now please. What's next, American Grafitti???

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Mori: Why open the talkback?

    by chrth

    Seriously, you should've just posted this and not turned on comments. That would've shut people up real fast ...<p> Unless is one of them flypaper strategies to get the discussion all in one place, not in every other talkback. In that case, good move.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Embargoes? Are you fucking kidding me?

    by RobertBaron

    Seriously, AICN shouldn't give a fuck about an embargo. The only media outlets that give a shit about embargoes are studio fluffers like Entertainment Weekly and Entertainment Tonight. The site would probably better without all the freebies anyway. It would at least get it's integrity back. And, frankly, does anyone really give a shit about the set visits are other blowjobs? We want the real shit. We want the guy on the production staff saying if a movie is shit or not.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I'm late for the party, but did you guys ban anyone

    by David Cloverfield

    for linking before explaining what the fuck is happening? I sure hope not, my childish world view couldn't take the injustice.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the business side of Hollywood

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    I can't believe that some people are getting worked up over this. Like Drew said, "it’s being blown up into something it is not", and "Lucas’s little cartoon movie isn’t worth all this sound and fury". Actually, the fact this is becoming such a topic, I am sure more people are interested in seeing the movie now. An agreement was made, and AICN lived up to that agreement and yanked the reviews. Fin

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Variety & Hollywood Reporter

    by rogmel

    If there's an embargo then why do these two huge companies have thier reviews up?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    You guys slamming Empire's review

    by barnaby jones

    should note Clones Wars got exactly the same rating as your beloved 'Iron Man', 'Hulk' and 'Speed Racer'. 3 Stars, solid but nothing nothing special.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Ebolarama, you forgot two classics

    by Stile

    That review has A BOMB IN ITS RIBCAGE! and That review is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Bartleby T. Scrivener

    by Darth Busey

    This talkback is more about AICN's pulling the review and its relationships with the studios than it is about the Clone Wars movie.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    I took my son to a screening on Saturday...

    by rogmel

    I hated it and he was bored 30 minutes into it. He's 5 and even HE knows crap when he sees it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    and "Dapper Swindler is right"

    by David Cloverfield

    I'll print it on a T-shirt.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU LUCAS! FUUUUUCK YOOOOOU!!!

    by spud mcspud

    TheFunkyEnigma: "Why is the Force Unleashed not a movie, instead of this piece of horse shit?"<P> Truer words were never spoken. Lucas obviously thinks we're more interested in seeing, on the big screen, a lame, tired rehash of the so-far-it-looks-superior Gennedy Tartovsky CLONE WARS cartoon - more of the same - to a conclusion we already know and understand, which leads to one of the worst trilogy conclusions in modern cinema history, to a kick-ass epic where Vader's secret Sith apprentice becomes so powerful he can bring Star Destroyers to the ground BY FORCE WILL ALONE.<P> Oh yeah, Darth Gizzard - we'd all rather watch an inferior cartoon continuation of an interminably boring war between clones and robots which we ALREADY KNOW THE ENDING to, rather than a movie where Vader's secret Sith apprentice throws around Starv Destroyers with a wave of his astonishingly powerful hand. YOU DUMB FUCKING RETARD!!!<P> Jesus. This is why I woin't be sitting my ass in a cinema for this shit - I'll watch it (if at all) on fucking Sky Movies. STAR WARS is dead to me.<P> About this embargo. Does it really matter whether they post the review now or Friday? I mean, the movie will still be vast suckage, won't it?!?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Glad I didn't refresh

    by jemagee

    or anything while i was reading that in depth article from another site about harry, see, cause now it's gone, and i'm sure AICN has an excuse for pulling richard brooks post (I'm assuming his banned now) but it was a hell of a read

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    outdated and past the tipping point.

    by zom-bot.com

    richard brroks makes some interesting accusations i haven't read anyone mention yet.<P>however you spell it, like harvey dent said, you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. this is not too far from 'selling out'. in other ways, every indie director or actor makes a movie that finally connects with a wide number of people inevitably is invited to make a corporate piece of shit film soon afterwards, and does, because they get swept up. they are finally accepted, they take the first huge check offered them. and then comes the stumble. bad reviews, jilted fans... from that point, they either decide to go back to their indie roots or continue to go down the sellout path and become a joke.<P>it really sounds like AICN reached that tipping point of being anti, honest and unique- and then cashing in on that status, thereby losing it. just in the past year i've frequented this site i've noted the reviews playing by certain rules, favoritism to certain studios who buy ad space, 2,000 amazing reviews for one movie that turns out to be mediocre at best. (superbad, anyone? hell i still remember the ads slowing my HIGH SPEED wireless connection down to boot) i read about the trips and the freebies and the meetings and then marvel at the coincedence when said film is given glorious reviews. and i've seen this site get cluttered with so many ads- a site that often hides NSFW content rightfully is emblazoned with ads for fetish and lingerie gear that now keeps me from reading the site at work. and seriously how professional is an ad for women's deoderant or cat food under a review?.<P>oh and did i mention how despite all these changes in the integrity of the site, the fucking outdated format and wallpaper have remained all these years?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    It's stuff like this that makes me hate AICN Talkback.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Sometimes, I just don't understand where the Geek Community gets off. The sense of entitlement and malcontentedness is really quite frightening.<P>In a word:<P>RICOCKULOUS.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Yes, Darth.

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    But, most of the talkback is centered around the fact that people believe that the reviews are being pulled because the movie is bad, and thus the reviews are bad. That's not the case. The reviews were pulled because AICN made an agreement with WB about when to post reviews. It's a business decision, but most here can't see that.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Can I post Empire's Review here?

    by catlettuce4

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Richard Brooks' unreadable post

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm sorry to hear there was something interesting about it, as I couldn't slog through that gigantic single paragraph. I could hardly look at it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Uh Huh

    by jemagee

    "The reviews were pulled because AICN made an agreement with WB about when to post reviews" So again, they either knowingly violated that agreement and then backed off when WB threatened them or they were too stupid to understand the word embargo in the first place....I'm just curios which one it is

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    So when is the movie about Grando Calrissian coming?

    by Chanoc

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    lgeorge's target audience is too young to read anyway.

    by alice 13

    so wtf.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    holy shit richard brook's post is gone!

    by zom-bot.com

    yeah that was a little too organized to be bullshit. whether or not it was posted in revenge, so be it. ha, i guess they are too busy deleting posts to comment anymore. again- I LIKE YOU GUYS- but in your own words you need to calm the fuck down so you can handle this better.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    And I made fun of trekkies the other day for obsessing...

    by Executor

    ...over stupid things, analog controls, Pegg's hairline, Japanese vs. Korean actors. But now Star Wars dorks are putting them to shame.<p>Seriously, reread Moriarty's well-written explanation. Enough said. WB said take it down AS PER THE TERMS OF THE SCREENING, so they did. Simple. It will be back up soon.<p> Consequences of not adhering to the embargo may not be legal, but as professional film critics, Harry, Moriarty, and others depend on studios not for dolls and dvds, but SCREENINGS and NEWS to bring to YOU. This isn't some case of free speech where AICN needs to give the finger to WB and have the door to an entire studio closed to them. It's the nature of the business. It's just one movie. Relax. <p>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Ah

    by jemagee

    "I'm sorry to hear there was something interesting about it, as I couldn't slog through that gigantic single paragraph. I could hardly look at it." http://tinyurl.com/6z2z3n

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Yes! Accolades!

    by Dapper Swindler

    Thank you. Much appreciated.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Personally...

    by HEADGEEK

    I'm kind of honored by all the hoopla over a missing Harry review. That the review is going up all over the internet and has garnered articles all over the place... kinda reminds me of what Obi Wan told Vader before he was struck down. <BR><BR>That said - I'd never be pissy at any of you. Do what you like, as far as I'm concerned. When my review hits this Friday - it will be a "Special Edition". As with all political things, the behind the scenes are complicated and never as simple as a simple explanation. Suffice to say, that's backroom shenanigans - and not necessarily the stuff of polite public conversation. <BR><BR>For now - be patient - Harry Hates THE CLONE WARS: Special Edition Review is coming at 12:01am (est) Friday morning / Thursday late night. Til then rant and rave all you like. It's in our nature.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Thank you jemagee

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I shall read it on the subway

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Richard Brooks post was just a copy of an article

    by irrelevntelefant

    i'd post the link, but I would be banned, erased and my family put in witness protection.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    AICN has gone corporate

    by FrenchBastard03

    Its become a business. Fuck what made them who they were, for lack of a better term, theyve "sold out" to the studios for free candy and early press screenings. What happened to the site that used to give the middle finger to embargoes? I say the readership starts a new site. Something like "aintitrealnews.com" A place where studios have no say. I mean embargoes? On AICN? This isnt fucking Variety. I'm ashamed of what its become. I'd much rather have honest reviews from honest writers who are having to go pay for the movie on day one than have some pussified excuse of a writer who puts tail between legs whenever daddy movie studio says theyve done something wrong. AICN shouldnt have to answer to anyone but AICN. Thats the way this place started, thats the way I had hoped this place would continue. Its a sad day indeed...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    WHo cares if you get banned - it's the internet

    by jemagee

    http://tinyurl.com/6z2z3n

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Banned Brooks? lol

    by dudemandude

    wow.. don't upset the apple cart around here! lol

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Jumped the Shark

    by jemagee

    AICN has.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Jemagee: by the way, it's spelled "curious"...

    by Executor

    ...right after you said AICN is too stupid to understand the word embargo. Yeah. Foot meet mouth. Tasty huh? <p> Try rereading the explanation again. EMBARGOS ARE RARELY ENFORCED, and are ENFORCED SELECTIVELY...meaning that even though critics attend tons of screenings, sometimes reviews are published early, sometimes the studios let them get away with it, and sometimes they don't. Whether Harry published early on purpose or he wasn't aware of the embargo prior to publishing is irrelevant. WB made them aware and told them they were enforcing it.<p>Are YOU too stupid to understand?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE CALM TO FUCK DOWN..THERE IS A BIGGER PROBLEMHERE

    by Maximus Prime

    Where did I get this rash from??<p>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    sorry to rehash..

    by quadrupletree

    Sorry if this has already been hashed or rehashed on the talkback but I just clicked on a link to a story that doesn't seem to exist anymore that I wanted to read so I'm kinda pissed about this. I assume going into this you guys know about the "embargo" yes? So basically the studio/producer/some hollywood hack says you can see their movie ahead of time but not review it until the movie has been released in which case your review is pointless/useless to your readership because we can't read it before the big day. So why agree to it? Because you get to see movies for free before anyone else? Why not just give those guys the finger and use your other connections to see it (like you said there were screenings this week) that you can get into and they can't embargo you? Seems like as a journalist you are shooting yourself in the foot.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    seriosuly though,

    by Maximus Prime

    Warner and Lucasfilm have done themselves more harm than good in pulling ealry reviews from sites, its just got teh negative buzz going even more than a few reviews would have done..<p> they have shot themselves in the foot again, ps, Han shot first

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I agree jemagee

    by Bartleby T. Scrivener

    That AICN dropped the ball when it came to this. As for the Why? That's something only AICN can explain.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    @thethedew - Comics & Toys

    by Baron Karza

    Didnt check out the new comic series but I'm not a purist.. just didnt have time. Always thought the Micronauts were short changed (pun).

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    but if they break the embargo

    by zom-bot.com

    then they won't be able to see movies early and not review them in a RE sense of the word review, meaning to give an opinion on something before it comes out.. if they break embargo, they will lose the ability to not speak about movies until the day the movie is out.<P>fuck, i used to work at a movie theater, i put together the movies and we watched them a day or two early. i should have ran a website.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:06 p.m. CST

    News

    by Cobbio

    Massawyrm's review of "The Clone Wars" is posted in the "Free Speech Is Under Attack!" talkback. It's near the bottom with no paragraphs. Pretty easy to find.<p> And holy shit did Massawyrm tear it to shreds. Probably the biggest thumbs down on a movie I've ever read. Everyone should read it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Harry -

    by dudemandude

    Hey had puter problems, can you send me Megan Fox's phone number again? Thanks big guy!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Am I the Only One

    by theguyfromfresno

    Who thinks that crazy pixie chick with the lightsaber is like, totally hot? This movie will rock!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I faught in the Clone Wars...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...and I saw the movie. It was not realistic at all. It looked like a cartoon. Nothing like it really was. Because I am no cartoon.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    And the rest of you

    by theguyfromfresno

    Are friggin "full retard" for making such a big deal about this shit. Maybe a little reevaluation of your personal priorities? Perhaps throw in an anger management class or two, and possibly an extension course on business management. If you can spare the time between comiccons and doing your chores before mom turns off your internet access again.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    okay i'm ready for more...

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm ready for another article or scoop about now. nothing's getting solved in here. i guess there's nothing TO solve, you just take your lumps and deal with it till friday.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    George Lucas doesn't care...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...what you guys think. He's got like a BILLION dollars. Watch, that dude is gonna buy AICN and then snazz it up with awesomely superior special effect and he's gonna put it in 3D and everything. He's gonna fire the writing staff and hire a bunch of ewoks and gungans to write up all the new reviews. Ootindi!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Obviously

    by jemagee

    i was referring to curios

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Master Blaster runs Bartertown

    by BrandLoyalist

    Lift embargo. There, was that so tough?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    You people are dense

    by Arteska

    Most press outlets are asked to hold reviews until opening day as a matter of course WITH EVERY SINGLE RELEASE. That people going to word of mouth and promotional screenings know how to use the internet doesn't mean the press or AICN or anyone else is hatching some conspiracy over a single release of a CARTOON release only in theatres to help pump up interest in its TV incarnation, which is how this was conceived from the start. Trade publications routinely run reviews in advance of release but by and large most mainstream outlets do not. Studios ask that reviews are held until opening day in return for the privilege of screening films in advance. This is nothing new. What is new is asking internet press to abide by the rules of longer established media. Get a grip people. If this wasn't Lucas this would be a blip but you people are so wanting to hate, wanting to be slighted, wanting to be offended that you blither righteousness when in fact you are simply ignorant. Mori is speaking the truth here so calm the hell down.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    If people stopped swallowing

    by jemagee

    all the hackneyed half-assed embarassing star wars material out there, lucas would have to care, because people would stop giving him money...unfortunately too many people out there are too beholden and will swallow anything with the 'star wars' name on it whether it sucks or not...reminds me of the guys at xplay making fun of anime fans who are upset when crappy games based on crappy anime get bad reviews. I'm not sure about the rest of the people, but i couldn't give a crap if this was a star wars movie or not whether it was a good review or not, i think the implications inherent in what has happened go beyond that (though all the AICN defenders want to make it that simple...it's easier that way than admitting the truth it seems) The fact that 'harry' (if that is his real name, can't be sure any more) and 'moriarity' can't even agree as to the cause of the things being pulled is kind of funny as well.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    tropic thunder and retards

    by zom-bot.com

    it's RETARDED how the people protesting are obviously too RETARDED to realize that the scene in question is possibly the most scathing mockery of the hollywood formula of 'special needs' + box office gold, how it's been their guilty pleasure and how no one complains about it until it's horribly bad (robin williams in 'jack' for starters) or in this case, until it shines an honest mirror on the industry.<P> no one complained about hanks in forrest gump, did they? what a charming retard. only i've never met any mentally handicapped person like him. ever. <P>you can't call them anything. someone will get offended by 'special'. someone else will be offended by disabled'. someone will suggest using the term differently abled and someone else will be offended by that. we are all too pc. i'm afraid to describe anyone anymore. are they black? african american? a person of color? urban? ethnic? i'm only wrong depending on what room i'm in. so it seems tropic thunder mocks TWO uncomfortable issues- blackface and mental challenges and yet there's really only a beef about the one? If black groups are cool with downey jr, then all the overweight moms who still give out down-syndrome bowlcuts need to calm the fuck down and actually watch the CONTEXT of the movie.<P> good god, i shudder for the day when a movie comes out that everyone in the world doesn't have a problem with. what a fucking boring movie that will be.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    That efilmcritic link that got Richard Brooks banned

    by SpencerTrilby

    was quite puzzling. If only half of it is true then it's already a disgrace.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    If the reviews were positive

    by jemagee

    would they have been taken down, would warners have cared? somehow i doubt it So either break the embargo or don't, don't be half assed pussies about it...you broke the embargo, you lambasted the movie, warners threatened to take away a toy or two and you caved like little 5 year olds on a time out... I think people who are saying 'warners has the right' to request the embargo need to remember that AICN supposedly knew about the embargo, published the reviews, AND THEN PULLED THEM DOWN...it's not like they honored the embargo from the get go, they broke it and then suddenly decided to honor it, hence moriarty's explanation is bull shit to me because they already broke the embargo.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Why not just post something like this in the first place?

    by Bass Ackwards

    All the ranting and raving and conspiracy theories ramp up when things just get mysteriously deleted and no one bothers to say why. Why not just avoided it with a quick lil, "whoops, sorry gang..."? Rather than letting people be confused and make assumptions (which is all they could do) THEN post a big ole article to talk down to everyone.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    ATTN: "Free Speech" whiners:

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br><br>Guess what folks? This has NOTHING to do with free speech. Reviewers and critics are invited to these advance screenings with the understanding that as a condition they must agree to the terms, namely holding reviews until a certain day. If someone sees a movie, yeah, they can say whatever they want, but if you're going to accept an advance screening invite, you play by their rules.<br><br><br>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    WWIII STARTED ON 8/8/8

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    The begining of WWIII started on 8/8/8 between russia and georgia. NATO is about to get involved, which equals bad news for everybody! The largest U.S. Armada of warships is currently on the way to Iran. AND ALL YOU PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT IS EMBARGOS ON A ENTERTAINMENT WEBSITE OVER A REVIEW OF A CARTOON!!!!!!! HaHAHAhahA!!!! Goodluck.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    If studios choose to enforce embargos on every film......

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....they would put film critics completely out of business. Wonder if that shall ever happen.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    hahahahahah

    by Mr_X

    look the review is out there on the internets, i actually laughed at the venom that harry spewed over this movie. Ironically this embargo has generated more negative news for lucas film then by having the review just put on the site. all in all it's pretty damm funny when you think about it

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    lucas can keep his money

    by zom-bot.com

    i still have a chin and neck that remain separate from each other. and i didn't invent ewoks or screw up the prequels and indiana jones 4. so looks like zom-bot 4, lucas 0.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Harry's review not negative enough

    by Prossor

    it needs to be more brutal. something alon the lines of mass executions of people in ditch sites 'n stuff. the casual-ness of brutal liquidation. nothing sweeter in the world. usually helps me.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Huh

    by jemagee

    who said it was about free speech? I don't know anyone with a rational argument saying it's about free speech Add to friends - you're just like that commercial where the girl can't get her picture off the internet - that's sweet

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    WWIII on 8.8.8

    by zom-bot.com

    you have a point there. and even the news is acting like it isn't that big a deal. they're covering it, but they aren't explaining what it means to us. remember, hitler once invaded poland.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    by jemagee

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    MORE REASON TO FUCKING BOYCOTT THIS SHIT

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Fuck Warner Bros. They can keep this fucking movie. I was totally not hating on this before, but what a cock-sucking move this whole embargo bullshit is. They are attempting to limit the flow of information on this film because they are obviously not confident in the product itself. They want us to all lay down our hard earned cash and find out for ourselves that it is shit. Thats the whole fucking point of reviews fuckers-- to inform us the viewer a little bit on whether or not this sounds like our cup of tea. To silence that communication is a cocksucking move and we should punish them by boycotting the fuck out of this thing.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    i just sat through ROTS

    by juice willis

    for the second time just to see if i could catch some semblence of what some folks seem to think captures the tone and spirit of the OT. it's just such a shitty fucking movie. absolutely zero gravitas. the mace windu death/emperor transformation scene is laughable. and the padme birthing/death scene at the end (lost the will to live???? but not before she names the kids as they pop out?) is simply imbecilic filmmaking.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Well, I hate to defend the large red man but....

    by br1947

    at least they did put out a new article for us to be pissed and rant in. Unlike the whole "Gone" incident which mysteriously vanished with no mention and the talkback mayhem overran the entire site.<br><br>and of course... DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY AND GEORGE LUCAS!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I bet George Lucas...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...has a new hooker every night in his lavish bedroom and he makes them all wear the Princess Leia bikini thing. He's got money.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    The End of The World

    by jemagee

    is in 2012 And WW3 didn't start when russian picked on a breakaway city from Georgia...they are currently negotiating a cease fire. And the news acted like it's a big deal...but it's russia and georgia, it's internal strife, it's the eqvuialent of a civil war in liberia, and no one in the united states gives a rats ass about that either. Sorry folks who have a global world view you live in the wrong county (if you live in the united states, if you live in canada it's the wrong country also but for so many different reasons, just ask south park)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    THIS SMELLS BAD

    by BurgerTime

    But not because of what Harry and crew have done. As a publisher, they have to abide by the laws or face the risk of getting sued, just like everyone else. <P> It doesn't pass the sniff test because of what Warner Brothers have done. I think it's a classic case of they were hoping "good word of mouth" would leak out early and spread across the net. But when the negative feedback started and it backfired, they began to throw their weight around. <p> Obviously they have to protect their investment in the film and therefore have to do damage control while they still can. <p> Welcome to the junction of where big business meets free speech. Big business usually calls the shots. Remember the golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    George, you didn't listen

    by jinryu7

    You had so many years to listen to what we want, and you deliver us a unbelievably weak prequel trilogy, and forgot along the way what made us love the project and Star Wars to begin with. Turn the reigns over, you happily stumbled upon something magical you had no skill to evolve. I too have seen this movie, and I am mad that it stinks, and most of all, I am pissed that American animation still is a distant secondary to the scope Japan has created. In a land where Pixar has wowed us, you use this as a foray into this world, the world of animation??? ...Yeah this whole thing is to save that senile old man from showing us how much he has raped his own creation. ..sad..sad times.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    No review until Friday?

    by Sicuv Uyall

    That in itself should tell you how good the movie is. But we already know Lucas' penchant for making quality movies right?? So who needs reviews? Remember Crystal Skull???

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Hey

    by jemagee

    the radionland murders didn't suck Signed - Brian BenBen

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Atticus Finch

    by one9deuce

    Your type are exactly the reason the Prequel Trilogy fucking sucks. George Lucas knows that if he includes: lightsabres, droids, ships, blasters, SFX, and the oh so important 20th Century Fox/opening crawl that geeks around the world will pay to see it. Story, character, good acting, etc... are not needed to do well at the box-office. Because the masses have shit taste. And STAR WARS geeks will flock to anything with the criteria I listed above.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    George Lucas has so much money...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...if I was him I would buy up other beloved childhood franchises just so that I could fuck them up...just to spite all who doubted me...He's got money.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Earthquake WestCoast Re: WWWIII

    by theguyfromfresno

    You are so right. I mean seriously... First they lose Michael Vick because of the dog fights, now Russia's attacking them. It sucks to be in Atlanta these days!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Banzai... You're Right. I can't wait for "Paddington Bear: Speci

    by theguyfromfresno

    wherein paddington is replaced entirely by Andy Serkis in a mocap bear suit, and instead of eating orange marmalade, he eats millions of microscopic beings called midichlorinated oranges, which give the appearance of being marmalade. Oh, and natalie portman guest stars as "Madeline."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    WWIII

    by dudemandude

    Hitler invaded Sudetenland in 1938. He said that the land was a break off province of Germany and belonged back with it's homeland. Sounds very familiar with Putin, who has said Ossetia's residents are Russian. They are not of course, anymore than Sudetenland was German. <BR> <BR> This is about Oil and Natural Gas pipelines to Southern Europe, Russia wants control of these and is taking them by force. But as with most wars there is a lot more going on here than just Oil and Natural Gas. I believe Russia, specifically Putin, are bringing back Communism. Remember Putin ran the KGB for many years and has instituted many reforms in Russia that cancel out Democratic reforms brought on during their Democratization. The man is still running Russia after elections! It all seems so obvious, amazing that people are so blind to the fires burning down the house around them. <BR> <BR> So, here we are back with Chamberlin and his deal with Hitler.. The West refusing to see the writing on the wall, believing everyone thinks like we do and wants what we want.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    titoandtheman -- HOW DO FUCKERS LIKE YOU LAST.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....LONGER THAN GOOD TB'ERS?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I wish someone had embargoed SKIN AND BONES

    by JimCurry

    ...from ever appearing on television.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Oh and..

    by dudemandude

    Since we're speaking of history here, WWI started in almost this exact same way as what we are seeing now. A small scale conflict was turned into full blown insanity very quickly, this could happen here.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    sarlaac PIT

    by zom-bot.com

    it was a fucking PIT, not audrey II in a pit. lucas pretty much admitted he changed it to the big 'clam' just to show fanboys that boba fett actually irreversibly DIED, with no question of escaping like in the dark horse comics

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Time to move forward...

    by jinryu7

    I guess I hate ranting on something I held so dear, but you know the thing that always frustrates me is this. It's time to advance to story into the future. No more, this lead to that which made this that you already know happen. George, it's time to move the force forward. Now we have seen just what the force can yield, now show us how it can evolve into a limitless FUTURE. We have dealt with all this "pre" everything nonsense. What's next???????????????????????????????????????????????? I mean it is symbolic, you made a future, now move that creation into the future. Don't die before you play your potential ace in the hole. Right now, you my friend, are in a hole...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Jesus people!!!

    by Crackles

    Just read the fucking reviews thursday night and then decide if you want to see it! It seems like most of you have already decided it's going to suck so why the fuck do you even care! AICN is fucking boring as shit today!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Timothy Zahn already did 'what's next'

    by jemagee

    and lucas probably realizes he couldn't come close to being 1/100 as good as the zahn 'official' 7/8/9 trilogy, it would just embarass himself and star wars so he keeps milking the teet because people will keep going

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    TheGuyFromFresno...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...how about Curious George using his lightsaber to cut open Clifford the Big Red Dog's stomach in order to use his innards for warmth and sustenance shortly after an icey snow fight with the Bernstein Bears...all in 3D by the way!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    This has been the saddest, funniest series of talkbacks

    by TerryMalloy

    in a long time.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Putin couldn't care less about communism

    by SpencerTrilby

    He's more interested in renewing Russia's influence on its former satellite states by all the nasty means he sees fit. But nothing in his past, his moves or his speech reeks of Socialist ideology.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    And I thought Big Red Dogs smelled bad

    by theguyfromfresno

    On the inside!!! For what it's worth, Hollywood Reporter just posted their review online. Said the movie was bad, and gave it the wrong release date lol.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Dammit

    by theguyfromfresno

    I meant "on the outside." /accepts 10 nerd demerits for fucking up the quote

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    AICN gone corporate =

    by Heckles

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    In putins defense

    by jemagee

    very little about communism reeks of socialist ideology either. corrupted and debased socialism maybe

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Let's get the story straight on what an embargo is for....

    by TRON

    Even though AICN started off over 10 years ago with Harry getting in reviews for most geek films before most critics posted or printed theirs in the newspaper. Harry and most of the AICN review crew are now and have been respected critics within the movie industry. Their reviews are well respected by all of the movie companies because the reviews are by scifi, fantasy, comic and action fans. They are not the intense drama critics who trash the qualities in B Flicks. The movie companies bank on these review possibly more than your local TV critic.The embargo enforces that the reviews will be posted , televised and published no earlier than the embargo states,,, thus guarantees that weither a critic is a national critic with a large following or the critic for a small local newspaper will all have a chance to have their reviews seen by the public. If the review was posted on AICN,,, how many of you would look at the local newspaper review or watch "At the Movies" to find out what other critics have to say? (probably most of you look no where else). I would not call anyone here a "tool" for not breaking the embargo. If you were in Harry's shoes or anyone else here, you would want to keep the "peace" with the movie distributers. Who in their right mind would not want to see a movie before anyone else? The good thing for this site about an embargo gives the reviewers a chance to let the film sink in and create a better review.(positive or negative) Trust me , I have rushed my reviews in the past,,,guess what, they really suck. All I could think,,,, I'm first. I did care about giving the best info on what quality a casual viewer could expect but bannging out a review, doesn't always work for the readers best interest. Stop the bashing and wait for the reviews,,,,, you damn whiners!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    first

    by christophermoltosante

    damn

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    GIVE EM HELL HARRY!

    by robotdevil

    I don't mean to sound emotive or unnecessary hateful here, but George Lucas hasn't had a new idea since 1978 and has been wiping his ass with my childhood memories of Star Wars since TPM (fuck, I even liked the ewok cartoon... seriously). TPM was boring shit. AotC was boring wooden shit. And RotS was boring, wooden, pathetically staged shit ("high-ground" my ass). And don't even get me started on all that Han/Greedo shooting-first, Luke screaming then not screaming shit. Destroy him! Kill! Kill! PS The Ben Kenobi line cracked me up.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    jemagee, a good point

    by SpencerTrilby

    that was.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    AICN gone corporate = 'Crash' winning best picture

    by Heckles

    Discuss. Also acceptable topics: religion, abortion, Dubya, Iraq, Katrina, Greedo shooting first, Tarantino being overrated, Family Guy, and flaming Batman nipple suit fridge nuking web shooters.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Um Tron

    by jemagee

    try and keep up...they published the reviews, they wrote them, they published them, and then they pulled them, so they didn't respect the embargo until after fact. Try and read that talkback over there on the right that REFERS to one of the reviews. The reviews weren't 'rushed' any more than any other review is rushed, they were published and then pulled, it's not the same as 'pulling it cause it wasn't ready' - they felt it was ready and left it up until they cowed to Warners (which it seems almost no one else in the interwebs or print media is doing)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Can we discuss

    by jemagee

    guns morphing into walkie talkies and looking more ridiculous than paris hilton doing shakespeare?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    WIII STARTED ON 8/8/8-update

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Georgian officials tonight claimed the country had been 'overrun' by Russian troops after a full-scale ground invasion.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    Let's not lose focus here...

    by ribbitking

    The reason i'm pissed, and i'm guessing the reason so many others are is... AICN posted reviews, then took them down. The curiousity about why this happened was expressed by readers. The AICN readers (described as screaming and reactionary) were told to 'calm the fuck down' and that they would have understood if they were 'professionals.' I could care less about the damn review, I read about a paragraph before i figured out his opinion and moved on. But to be bitched at by one of the heads of a site that i've supported since it's beginning days.... that hurts.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    Mori, speaking of Warner Bros., and embargos. . .

    by TheRealRatigan

    Other sites invited to visit the WATCHMEN set have been given permission to put up "previews" of the experience. I noticed you did no such thing, but assumed that you were simply too busy to compose a special piece that only tease us with what you can't print yet. But do these set visit previews mean the embargo lifts soon on your report?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    just had to chime in here

    by Kloipy

    first off it really isn't a big deal that we cannot read a review for a movie we all, in our hearts know will suck, until friday. What does bother me though is this:<p> Mori, whom I usually appreciate and defend, has made it a point to go on record again for his total disdain for the talkbackers. By now it's pretty much a known fact about how he feels about us. While usually I just kind of shake that off and go on because I don't know the guy personally or anything, I do respect his reviews. However the outright claim that they will use their powers of banning and seeing as how many people I know on here who have been banned in the past few months, it seems like it's as if a nun is slapping us on the hand with a ruler for getting out of line with what they deem is wrong. I find it funny that on this page the hunt is on for talkbackers left and right over the posting of an early review and then on another page calling out the people with disabillities act for saying they should boycott Tropic Thunder. I'm not PC or anything but this just seems kooky to ban people for posting a review and then saying that the People With Disabilities are stupid and wrong for being offended by a movie.<p> I don't come to this site as often as I used to and I don't talkback that much anymore. I've made a lot of great friends from being on this site, but the more and more I see on here the more I'm glad that I've distanced myself from getting caught up in a lot of the bullshit I've seen here in the past couple of months. But then again, what the hell do I know?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    What if?

    by richjb77

    What if Harry posted a positive review? Would they have called? No big deal. Like you said...not worth getting pissed off about anyway

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    I cannot wait for CLONE WARS...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...on DVD. Seriously, I'm gonna check it out...with my Netflix.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    boo-hoo!

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    Honestly, people. Just get over it. Is it really so important? Is it?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    WIII STARTED ON 8/8/8-update #2

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    A day after a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush in Beijing who expressed 'grave concern', Mr Putin accused the U.S. of siding with Georgia by ferrying Georgian troops from Iraq to the battle zone. 'It is a shame that some of our partners are not helping us but, essentially, are hindering us,' said Mr Putin. 'The very scale of this cynicism is astonishing.' NOT GOOD PEOPLE! THERE'S ALSO THIS: "U.S. military instructors directly command and coordinate actions of mercenaries without being involved in actual fighting, the source specified. According to intelligence data, there are roughly 1,000 military instructors of the United States in Georgia." SO RUSSIA KNOWS THE U.S. IS SCREWING THEM. ALSO TONIGHT BUSH JUST WARNED RUSSIA TO "PULL BACK" or else. THIS IS RUSSIAN DEFENSE DOCTINE: "Russian defense doctrine indicates if the U.S. attacks Russia with conventional weapons, Russia will respond with tactical nuclear weapons." YAY FOR STAR WARS CARTOONS!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    kloipy - don't forget...

    by ribbitking

    There was not one word mentioned about banning whoever posted the reviews to begin with... yet it's okay to threaten banning a user for reposting something they posted in the first damn place. Classy.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Earthquake

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    Who cares about all that? I mean, did you miss the big story? John Edwards, man. THAT'S the important thing here. Well, that and Clone Wars.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Come on people, send a message to Lucas

    by romanocc

    Every franchise has been sent a message one way or another when it has gotten crappy. Nobody showed up to the Matrix Revolutions, Batman & Robin is the Gigli of Comic Book films, and because of that we got Nolan and the great TDK this summer. Superman III & IV put an end to the Salkinds why shouldn't have fired Donnor as it finally caught up to them and how much the series went down. People need to rise up and not see this shit, and people need to rise up and not see Indy V either if that is made. Lucas deserves praise for giving us 2 great trilogies in SW & Indy, but if people keep coming, Lucas is going to keep on making them. Supply = Demand. No demand = No more SW & Indy.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Earthquake WestCoast- if you care so much about WW3

    by Kloipy

    why are you still posting about it in a movie site? just wondering

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Quick Random Poll

    by jemagee

    Is there anyone out there who had any delusions that this movie still MIGHT not suck? Seriously ever since i saw the first trailer with the stupid padawan talking like she's from orange county and yoda not talking the way yoda talks i knew this was doomed...the cartoon network teen titans type animation just made me sad. I hope the dark knights makes it have a sub 5 million dollar opening

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    BTW.....

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    I'M GOING TO SEE THE CLONE WARS IN THEATERS. I currently don't have air conditioning in my house, therefore a nice cool theater watching a cartoon full of jedis could be fun. Especially since I view Star Wars and everything about it as JUST fun, mindless entertainment. A distraction from reality for a few hours, no more.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Like many of us...

    by Stollentroll

    ...I come here because I try to avoid the "official" coverage on movies like this. Reviews on AICN are often angry, unpolished, over the top - but proudly so. For a more balanced view on film, I might as well visit nyt.com. What I'm saying is: You guys COULD be the ones to break the rules. But with some of you becoming more and more involved in major projects, I'm sure this hasn't become any easier. Just keep in mind what makes this site so unique.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Obama will win The Clone Wars

    by Geekgasm

    Obama will personally re-shoot and re-edit the prequel trilogy into The Greatest Movies Ever Made before seizing Skeletor's half of the Power Sword and unlocking the jaw bridge of Castle Grayskull, ushering in a Golden Age and resurrecting Bernie Mac, Issac Hayes, and Lou Rawls.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ribbit

    by Kloipy

    Yeah, it's actually pretty amusing when you get over how amazingly stupid it is

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    This is hilarious!

    by Womb2dooM

    Almost 2 days of "discussion" and NOTHING has changed. No matter how fired up the reactionaries get and no matter how diplomatically frustrated Moriarty gets, we are still where we were when Harry's review was first pulled: "Lucas is responsible" (countless times it has been said that Warners enforced the embargo) and "Aintitcool has sold out" (Moriarty responds to that very clearly in this article). But the same people are still angry and the same people are just as defensive (I count myself in that category).<P>Oh, and anyone questioning Moriartys' love of his readers (including negative TBers), take a reality check. Look how personally offended he gets whenever he or the site is accused of selling out or compromising. No matter how obviously provocative a TB post is, he'll probably respond. The guy, and by extension the site, is legit.<P>That's my 2 cents. Not based on 11 years of loyalty (I've only been coming here for about 8ish years), it's based on common sense.<P>But this is all a GREAT time killer!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    jemagee -- yeah me. I don't think it looks bad...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Even after the reviews. I don't believe a fucking thing anyone tells me until I see it for myself. That being said-- I still say fuck Warner Bros for their embargo. I might pay for Mummy 3 and sneak into this one..

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Another Dumb Fucking Geroge Lucas Move

    by Turd Furgeson

    What an idiot... Why not just ban advance scrrenings for public and press. If you're going to enforce the review embargo, why not just ban screenings altogether? What an idiot. On another note, I take Harry's review more seriously than any other because, frankly, I don't think there is anyone in the world who is a bigger fan of Star Wars than him... It just means more coming from him. And the decision to take it down must have been a tough one. I know that AICN has to play the game a little, it's understandable.. This website is the biggest and best movie website in the world. If they need to get fucked over for 4 days, than so be it. When stuff like this happens, I just remember how they broke the T4 story, forcing the ending to be changed. We take the good witht the bad. You guys are in a tough spot and making tough decisions. Keep up the good work.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    The point is...

    by WhoDis

    AICN is the type of site that breaks embargos. If I wanted to be on a movie website that follows in line, I would go to YAHOO! Movies or Entertainment Weekly.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    this is ridiculous

    by Maegnarval

    Imagine if you will, the news media putting an embargo on say like what happened on 9/11/2001 & told all the news shows not to report about until 2 weeks later, just cuz it was bad news....... Also, imagine being told not to go to the bathroom for 2 weeks....

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    beer - if i'm right...

    by ribbitking

    most of those aren't reviews, but just articles... usually there would be alot more on there by now, so looks like it might've been held from most publications until the last minute

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Lorna Dune

    by Goonie

    Fair enough. My bad!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    KILOIPY AND GUS VAN RANT

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Because I also like STAR WARS. I Believe in multi-tasking. AND let's face it, you still gotta live life. Oh, and to GUS VAN RANT. I'm glad you like living in Canada. Uh, but if russia decides to invade the U.S., well buddy, they're going to go right through canada to get to us. :)

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    why so serious?

    by guerillakarma

    I mean seriously, what's the big deal? Why would something like this piss so many people off?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    It's canada

    by jemagee

    seriously, i'd rather live in soviet georgia right now than canada It's CANADA

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    MOney Talks...

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    Thanks to this site, I don't have to spend $200+/yr on shitty horror and sci-fi rags. Keep up the great work, guys!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    New Punisher 2 trailer fucking rocks......

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Check it. <P> http://tinyurl.com/5uyzrl

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    "Clone Wars" is a Lucas project?

    by jawsfan

    Just walk away. Do yourself and your sense of well-being a favor and just walk away. Or you could do like the fox in the Uncle Remus tales and keep pounding your fists into the tar baby. Take the high road and just walk away from it. Don't watch it, don't talk about it, don't even acknowledge it. Just walk away.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    DOCTOR ZOIDBERG

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Speaking of Doctor Zoidberg, the new FUTURAMA dvds have been lackluster. :(

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    jemagee - random poll

    by Womb2dooM

    Yes, I thought it would be good. Star Wars is STILL a brand I trust - I enjoyed all 3 prequels ranging from like to love. The 2D cartoon was bliss. And so is ignorance. Looking back I based that on nothing. Pretty colours, familiar faces, I guess.<P>I saw the movie Sunday. It blew HARD. Ahsoka is an abomination of galactic proportions.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    WHen canada is dead and gone

    by jemagee

    there'll be no more celine dion

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    RibbitKing

    by TerryMalloy

    Two things. One, you're right that it was strange that the entire review was taken down. Isn't it usually just UPDATED with red lettering saying "WB told us to take it down, blah blah blah". <p> Second, the reaction in the talkbacks WAS reactionary and over-the-top. "You're a sell-out!" "FUCK YOU HARRY" etc. etc.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    If the CLONE WARS make 20 million...

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    If it makes that much, then Lucas' head will get even bigger!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Who cares if the reviews are up or not?

    by Lucasblows

    You've read them. You know it sucks. Get over it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    IT'S A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY

    by F-18

    TO DISTRACT US FROM THE IMPENDING POLICE STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    The REAL Truth.

    by CatVutt

    As summer draws to a close, Talkbackers were just bored out of their fucking minds and ranted and raved and carried on and made jokes when, really, nobody actually gave that much of a shit. Pretty funny stuff, though.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    terrymalloy - umm? those are my quotes?

    by ribbitking

    Maybe you confused me with someone else, but never said either of those things you quoted me as saying. I embargo your comment.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Please continue

    by rdcranium

    I'm so glad you people are spending all your time on this superfluous matter and not bothering those of us in the real world. It's good to know that the simple-minded can still be distracted by shiny objects.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    George Lucas...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...should just BUY Russia and then we won't have this problem any longer. Seriously dudes...the guy has money. I know it!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Irony?

    by jemagee

    I'm so glad you people are spending all your time on this superfluous matter and not bothering those of us in the real world. It's good to know that the simple-minded can still be distracted by shiny objects.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Ribbit

    by TerryMalloy

    I wasn't quoting you. I was quoting some of the reactions of the people in the TBs to prove that they were being reactionary. Which I believe you did say.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    JEMAGEE...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...What are you doing in here? Aren't you supposed to be in the real world? Go...skadoosh!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    ribbitking...

    by digitalcos

    That's exactly why I posted brother. I've got your back.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    When has AICN knowingly broken an embargo?!

    by Womb2dooM

    Sure they'll sneakily post spy photos, concept art, bootleg trailers, unauthorised script reviews et al, but the second that a studio officially tells them that they are not authorised to publish said articles, they remove them. Studios can not possibly enforce every single piece of info from their films and everybody in the film news community knows this and take as many liberties as they can get away with.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Master Blaster Runs Bartertown!

    by LaserPants

    Lift embargo.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I'm sorry. I didn't catch that.

    by OBSD

    Where did Moriarty work again?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Review Spoiler:

    by Aphex Twin Brother

    Both Harry & Massawyrm hated it. Just so you know Warner Bros., once something hits the net IT NEVER GOES AWAY. Fucking retards.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    The Issue

    by justwestofaustin

    The issue, at its most disappointing, is reading the headline, "...Free Speech Is Under Attack!" and within 24 hours having reviews pulled. Insulting as a reader of AICN--whether you you were aware or the embargo or not--and, if, the defense is no future Lucas-related movies then MY response to that would be: "Blow me, you're movies suck anyway, Lucas. If it wasn't for nagging criticism amongst the fanboys nobody would give a fat one about you or your movies. Your no del Toro. Peter Jackson shits better than your films. Your fanbase, now thinks you worhtless, at best." After the failure of INDY 4 (embarrassment) and now The Clone Wars (yeesh!), we'll all assume from now on, that everything George Lucas touches will have the embargo stamp.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    The Saddest Talkback in the History of AICN

    by Mr. Winston

    Wow. Congratulations, you douches. You managed to get yourselves riled up over a review on a website that you're not required to visit and that does everything they do for free. God, sometimes I forget just how easily Internet anonymity can turn sad little people into such amazing, misguided assholes. <br> <br> It's so, so funny that you've chosen to care this much about one man's opinion of an animated film that you have exactly no stake in.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    You Guys Hear About Russia & Georgia Reenacting WW1-2?

    by LaserPants

    Its awesome. I can't wait to see where this whole thing goes, and the US with its pants around its ankles humbly begging them to cease their aggressions. Awesome!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    So does Michael Bay have a reverse-embargo agreement?

    by ribbitking

    Look a new car in the Transformers movie!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Mr. Winston...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...were you in Ghostbusters?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Zoidberg

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    I agree with you: more zoidberg. I disagree with you: down here in Alabama, most of my fellow Birminghamians picked up their shotguns as soon as they heard the commies raided the great state of Atlanta.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 a failure?

    by jemagee

    Success or failure in hollywood is based on box office...Indy 4 made quite a bit of money didn't it? Hollywood DOES NOT CARE if movies are good or bad, they only care if they make money, and since the american public is primarily made up of a large majority of people with crappy ass taste, bad movies will continue to make money...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The Magic(k) of AICN

    by Hikaru Ichijo

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Mr. Winston

    by TerryMalloy

    But think if they hadn't...you wouldn't have been provided so much entertainment

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    How much does silence cost?

    by jemagee

    I could use an influx of cash

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    You FOOLS...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...don't you know that George Bush is going to hit the battlefield with lightning shooting out of his ass and killer bees spewing from his mouth as destructive laser beams blast from his eyes!? He's gonna take care of all of us baby! He's gonna put those little Ruskies in line.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    What jemagee is sayin'...

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    is that in any giving situation, there are more stupid people than smart people. Thank you, sir.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    If I ever run for president

    by jemagee

    one of my primary planks will be 'sterilize the stupid'

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Taking a step back?

    by krodnoc

    From the site editors' points of view, I'm pretty sure that they're well pissed off about not being able to post their own opinions on their own publication when they see fit. The bigger issue here is how much control studios have about what goes online. Maybe a different format to an opinion that doesn't comes under the studio definition of what a review is? The politics of information is warped and is not healthy in a supposedly free media like online journalism. Maybe the ainitcool approach needs a rethink? There has to be a better solution in the long-run, other than a complete embargo on opinion.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I'd like to hear more from Davett...

    by Womb2dooM

    ... and the rest of mosquito population. What a crack-up!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    TerryMalloy, Eats_sandwich

    by Mr. Winston

    TerryMalloy: PLEASE don't mistake my post for complaining. It's just...sometimes you have to step back from events and think to yourself, "Is this REALLY something that's happening?" My tiny brain was simply, for a few minutes, unable to process the idiocy. But now that it has...it's pretty glorious. <br> <br> Eats_sandwich: Your "great state of Atlanta" line is the hardest laugh I've had this month. It reminds me of the time I was in Atlanta and an Indian guy at a Starbucks heard me giving my order, proceeded to step angrily on my foot, call me an Yankee, and remind me that we, "actually lost the war." God bless that place.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    is the talkback in Harry's review removed too?

    by Amy Chasing

    if so let me repeat the wisdom I placed there: There are no Star Wars movies beyond ROTJ (original, not the special edition). Anything after that should be treated as movie-length extras for the DVDs. Being a Star Wars fan is much more pleasant that way.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    AICN Isn't About Movie Reviews, Though

    by LaserPants

    Its about a bunch of obsessive weirdos yelling at each other about stuff no normal well-adjusted person gives a flying fuck about. The movie "reviews" are just incidental to the social phenomenon of the pre-apocalypse man-ape's rapidly escalating de-evolution and atavistic need to discuss that process through a series of insults, rage, and mental masturbation. AICN is group therapy for people who already gave up on sanity years ago and just don't care anymore. Also, its about talking about how much we wanna cum on the upturned moaning faces of every newfound starlet, on their knees, begging for more.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Embargo's Happen...deal with it

    by XoanonTORN

    I for one have been slapped with them several times...and WB has even threatened to sue in regards to simple POSTS I've made in the past. But this is the name of the game people, your favorite movie magazines and big websites are all shown cool content specifically because they have been proven to respect embargo's. <p> If you think AICN is specifically bending over and spreading ass cheeks...they aren't. This is a very common thing. If you think they are saying 'fuck you' to the TBers and casual readers, also no, they are simply doing what is expected of them...to 'scratch their backs' in return. <p> If AICN were to completely ignore all studio requests, the well of resources will completely dry up and they'd have nothing truly cool to show you...ever. <p> Michael Regina<br> Editor in Chief - TheOneRing.net<br> xoanon@theonering.net

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    coattails

    by Stollentroll

    That won't happen. The White House supposedly is guarded by an army of CGI monkeys and a "Shia". Whatever that may be.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean....

    by Womb2dooM

    As Mori said (as I understand it), there's nothing directly legally binding about the embargo but it just means that AICN will be given the cold shoulder in future Warners advanced screenings, exclusives, interviews, scoops etc. The online film news site rely very heavily on such exclusives and this would be a major blow for them.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Breaking New: Estelle Getty Launches Coup in Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by crackerfarmboy

    This is all starting to add up now. First Estelle Getty dies, then there's war between Russia and Georgia, now Lucasfilm is being controlled by her demonic powers. This must end now! Stop Estelle Getty and her army of demonic wraiths before it's too late.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Mr. Winston

    Thank you. Jesus, thank you.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    XoanonTORN, nicely put

    by Womb2dooM

    Sorry to rehash your point - I was typing as you were posting. I also had tears in my eyes over Davettt - Somebody get this guy a black box!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    fridges for everyone

    by Prossor

    everything should be lead lined from now on, that way when a nuke goes off it will be just a nice fireworks show all the time!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Mr. Winston knows that Jesus is the shit

    by Hikaru Ichijo

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    so you don't want to break the embargo because...

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    then you won't get into early screenings that you can't talk about until the movie is released anyway because of these embargos. Mcweeny, the post was really condescending. I'm just saying.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Drew, Harry, Quint...

    by blackhole4140

    A lot of the older readers are nostalgic for what this site used to be. In the old days when Harry was lead into a seedy motel and shown an advanced bootleg copy of Episode 2 and came back here to gush about it. Embargos seemed more rare in the old days, because to see an advanced screening meant it was from a test screening or some crazy method, not simply going to a critics screening. There used to be a grass-roots sort of magic to this site that has eroded over the years.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Yikes!

    by codymr

    Can't say that WB is smart for their actions... And I guess Lucasfilm is at fault too. If Harry gave Clone Wars a good review, I doubt AICN would have heard a peep from WB. But, it is a shame that AICN has decided to play it this way; I work in the media industry and while I understand the concern the editorial staff at AICN has about the situation, I do feel that they have dropped the ball on this. So much for edgy-gonzo-geek journalism. Further to ban people for what they post on the talkbacks is ridiculous! Especially considering the level many talkbacks have devolved to in recent years. The unnecessary use of bad language and disrespect shown to others is rampant... to ban for posting something that is already making its way around the web is pathetic. If you are going to ban people, ban them for being online bullies, don't shut them down for distributing information. That is just sad.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by Womb2dooM

    How is explaining the obvious condescending? Jeez, grow a pair, dude.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Master Blaster, What?

    by LaserPants

    Master Blaster runs Bartertown! <br><br> Lift embargo.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Hey Blowhards...

    by Holy Hell

    AICN is supposed to be a DIVERSION from the really important shit that happens in life. You know, like when you're in a fight with your wife, or you sit through some bullshit political ad, or you can't handle any more bad news, or you barely survived a car-jacking, you turn to AICN to spend some time chilling out and reading about genre. Save your vitriol for shit that matters, and whether or not a review has been embargoed by the studio hardly qualifies as "important shit". You are some chaotically prioritized freaks... And TORN- thanks for your simple and lucid description of the situation. Apparently it's difficult for some of these clowns to think straight when they haven't been laid EVER because they're so desperately caught up in the illusions of geekom. You will NEVER bone Carrie Fisher or Natalie Portman, so take off your 3PO costume, get the picture of Joss Whedon off your bedroom ceiling, and get some friggin' perspective. Jesus...

  • Or the shit you gave them for just about everthing except LA Confidential up until the Matrix--and then you blasted the sequels (correctly). WB hates Aint It Cool News, and in true show business style, they make embargoes rather than better movies. Not that this was their baby, just an instance where the policy is transparent.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by codymr

    You make a GREAT point.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    LARGEST U.S. ARMADA OF WARSHIPS SINCE WWII NOW HEADED TOWARD IRA

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Anyone who would pay to see this...

    by Shayde

    ...when it's going to be on TV for free is a complete moron. Especially since there's been nothing good to come out of Star Wars since Episode 6. Embargo or not, we all know Harry hated it, Messawyrm hated it, and I'm sure Moriarity wasn't too fond of it, but we'll see that Friday. The only reason the WB is quashing reviews is because they ALL are bad. It should tell you something. Save your cash. Watch it for free on TV.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    codymr

    by dudemandude

    I completely agree with what you've said. Nothing really to add to it, since you said things so well yourself. I just wanted to second your opinion. lol

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot -agreed

    by zom-bot.com

    i said the same thing way up there...embargos get you cut off from the advanced screenings you can't even talk about? big loss. there's more to it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    So this talkback is all about...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Russia fighting a Clone War? What?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    WIII STARTED ON 8/8/8-update #3

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Just a few months ago the U.S. wanted Georgia to be a member of NATO. But it didn't go through. Imagine if it did! NATO members are sworn to defend each other! IF GEORGIA WAS IN NATO like what Bush wanted, we would be in war with RUSSIA RIGHT NOW. BTW......I don't care for the way padme looks in the new clone wars cartoon. The face is too rigid.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    George Lucas doesn't care what you or I think.

    by Flyingcircus

    He has repeatedly said that over the last few years since TPM came out and got dumped on. "I don't care what the critics or fans think" seems to be his mantra. If he's so stuck on that, then he should spend the 100 mil or so on these flicks and then watch them in the privacy of his own home. He doesn't care, yet he has triple or quad-dipped all of us. How many of you own three or four versions of the original trilogy? Lucas is a cunt, plain and simple. As soon as he "reworks" Raiders, I'm going to find him and pluck out all of his pubey, goiter-covering beard. Fail, George. Epic fail. You're not getting a penny more of my Goddamned money.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    RUSSIA FIGHTING A CLONE WAR!

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    I BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Zom

    by Holy Hell

    Studios don't embargo EVERYTHING! To break THIS embargo (instituted in anticipation of really negative reviews) could keep AICN from ALL future advanced screenings, even the ones you'd like to hear about. What is with all these paranoid conspiracy theories?!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    ww3: we ARE over there

    by zom-bot.com

    russia has captured a u.s. mercenary along with georgia troops, and reports of at least one more killed. we have been secretly over there either helping or getting this shit stirred.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    CLOWN WAR 2 - THE WRATH OF MORI

    by SpencerTrilby

    LAMEST FAKE TITLE EVAR. I'M TIRED.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    cnn.com

    by zom-bot.com

    - has nothing on the homepage regarding the war in georgia. nothing to see here folks, move along

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    STIR THE SHIT!

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • There are screenings that are only for the "press only" which are most likely embargo enforced,,,, then there are sneek previews that are open to the general public by invitation or random selection,,, these are the reviews that are not legally binding for an embargo enforcement. Then there is a chance that Harry might sneek in a private screening at 12:00AM (at the Alamo) when the reels arrive several days before the opening of a film (probably fair game for an early review) These last two are ways they get the reviews early to us..... I think I remember a few years back there was some talk that some of the AICN reviewers were being singled out and refused entry to some films... ????? or was it just a dream?

  • seems smart of them

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    screenings

    by shodan6672

    I realize this is all a business, I am not naive, but if you run the review, then you stated that you will not be able to get advanced screenings. Advanced screenings to moves that you can not report on...the ay I see it, the only people who are being hurt are those who get the freebies. At least be honest about that and not make it seem like we will all suffer if the review is posted. If all fo the sites have to wait to post, how are we going to be hurt?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    warner will never ban AICN forever

    by zom-bot.com

    they might get a wrist slap and be grounded and miss out on reviewing some other shit movie and junket, but the movie biz NEEDS AICN and internet buzz in general these days. perhaps Harry and co don't realize what power they do have. you would have geeks nationwide boycotting said company if they enforced embargo and then punished a site publicly. they would never really ban a popular review site from early access because they would lose too much essentially free publicity and coverage. that's why i say warner bluffed and AICN took it because they don't realize their position of power.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Listen up...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Putin is just gonna batter them a little bit more and then he's gonna back the Clones off...mark my words...he's just sending a message to the Georgians, letting them know not to mess with Russia. At least that's what I'm getting from Commander Cody.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ. How in the Fuck is that Davettt tool not banned y

    by CatVutt

    Fucking ENOUGH already.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    people, WWIII was the Cold War

    by Amy Chasing

    and the invasion of Iraq makes WWIV. Just how many countries do you need to make it a WW anyway? Does it have to be a hot war? Who puts the definitions to this stupidity?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    zom

    by XoanonTORN

    At the top right is a quasi-perma link 'Crisis in Georgia' and at the bottom it reads '# CNN Wire: Russia hits U.N. cease-fire draft '...juuuuust at the bottom of the fold.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Banzai

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    I agree with ya. Just watch out for order 66, because after that Cody's fucked. "something, something, Dark Side...something, something...complete..."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    This talkback is too much poison

    by Agent Blue

    I'm really shocked at those of you burning down this site's management for doing what it needs to do. And for fuck's sake, you already know what the review says, so take it like a man.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    russia will take georgia.

    by zom-bot.com

    they took the capitol. they are winning. there is a percentage of georgia that wants to get back with russia. why would they back down? they've won. now it's just a matter of how many more old nation states they want to take back.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Xoanon

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    the great thing is that once you click the "russia hits" link, sandwiched in between the stories is "Democrats unveil nightly themes" for the DNC. Awesome. That's what I was really worried about.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    GHOST RECON1 VIDEO GAME PREDICTED GEORGIA WAR

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    CHECK OUT THIS YOUTUBE VIDEO. IT'S FROM THE VIDEO GAME "GHOST RECON 1" WHICH CAME OUT IN THE YEAR 2001. THE VIDEO GAME ITSELF TAKES PLACE IN THE YEAR 2008 THOUGH, AND IT'S ABOUT RUSSIA INVADING IT'S NEIGHBORING COUNTRIES AND HOW U.S. FORCES ARE IN GEORGIA ON A MISSION TO FIGHT THE RUSSIANS SECRETLY! WHAT A COINCIDENCE HUH? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvVZRwlwebo

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    georgia was also a border

    by zom-bot.com

    that blocked russia from selling arms to other areas, like iran, easily.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    WWIII Breaking News!!!!!

    by dudemandude

    U.S. recon planes have intercepted communications between Moscow leadership and Russian commanders on the ground in Georgia. A partial message was translated and released Monday evening by AP News Wire Staff, read as follows : <BR> "Execute Order 66." <BR> <BR> It is believed that the voice on this transmission was that of Vladmir Putin himself issuing orders to his commanders in the field. One insider with the U.S. State Dept, who asked not to be identified due to their closeness to the issue stated, "If indeed this is Mr. Putin issuing such an order, than we are fucked." Investigations into the leaked transmission and what it's meaning are, are ongoing.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    What can also happen with movie screenings is...

    by XoanonTORN

    That studios will allow only certain sites like Empire or IGN run a review of the film while everyone else is embargoed..and yes, those sites MAY sign something like a 'affirmation of positive review' or some shit like that. Basically saying they will do their very best to say something positive about the film. <p> This also happens on TV, shows like ET or Access Hollywood will get a 'sneak peek' of a trailer, while websites can only post about it later. Big TV studios and Magazines and websites pay $$$ to get these exclusives, and I don't think sites like Harry's does. <p> So, while the reviews for this film may be shitastically bad in this case, they may have even asked for it to be pulled if it wasn't, but I doubt it...studios can also break their own rules when it suits them. <p> And zom, sorry to say AICN doesn't yield as much power as it used to, thousands of sites have sprung up since 1999, they are faster, better funded, prettier, have a wider reach and are more powerful than AICN...no offence guys..been with you since the old OLD days..but it is the truth. <p> Michael Regina<br> Editor in Chief - TheOneRing.net<br> xoanon@theonering.net

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    WIII STARTED ON 8/8/8-update #4

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Lucas loves us! He KNEW WWIII was coming this year and nukes were going to be involved! THAT'S WHY HE MADE INDY GET INTO THE FRIDGE!!! It was a public service announcement on "what to do incase of nuclear war" demostrated by Indiana Jones himself! WOO HOOOO!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    old news

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    nice link regarding the Georgia situation from '06: http://www.time.com/time/world/ article/0,8599,1542107,00.html

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    The editorial staff

    by codymr

    Should check out Michael Mann's The Insider. CBS looked like a bunch dumb asses when they folded to big tobacco. While not nearly on the scale, AICN, how does it feel to fold to big media?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Harry, Mori, Quint... Pep Talk!

    by Dataset

    Love you guys, you all have been a part of my day since 98 or so. I have a question that morphs into a comment that kinda gets lost for a while then wanders around dazed. Wasn't this site kinda made to tear into the Hollywood bullshit? What happened to the days of spies in every film department basically ignoring their confidentiality agreements, risking fines, unemployment, blacklisting and even prison time? This was the great Indiana Jones 007 spy site for geek related movies. Quick, rebellious, anti-establishment and all the better for it. We wanted to feed this machine. I wanted to get menial jobs on sets just to be honored to steal some info and pass it on to Harry and the gang. It was fascinating. CIA for movies shit. Journalism nudged a little to the gonzo side. Still rational enough to know it's just entertainment, but naive enough to believe our opinions mattered to men who's cocaine budgets are more than we make in three years. I realize this is your job. Your families depend on the success of this site. It's probably great fun from time to time. But guys, hippies are driving SUV's Iggy Pop's heroin songs sell cruises and Johnny Rotten is on a reality TV show. You have a great chance to be legends with this site. Please don't become employees. If you were to run afoul of the industry by returning to your roots, it wouldn't be the end. If you were still pushing videos or selling posters (or writing scripts), you would have your family. Life would be harder, money would be tighter, and ComiCon would be something you had to budget to attend. You'd still have your love for film, and you'd have each other's friendships. With the revenues of the site you could budget what would be needed, and the creators that want you for set visits would open their own pockets to have you come. Why would Hollywood still reach out to a maverick AICN? Because AICN would be legendary. It could topple giants, stop bad productions, get nipples off Batman and cry bullshit to American Teen. Why would it be legendary? Because AICN cannot be controlled. Street cred is marketing, yo. If word is someone's gone soft, then the street move on. (Sorry, in the second season of a Wire marathon) And if some studio wants to pay you off? Well, exposing that level of corruption is the stuff movies themselves are made of. You guys are great, sorry for meandering. You all make my day so much happier. I just don't want to see you go down this road. You're heroes to every talkbacker. Even the trolls. Make us proud. Don't get sued over this. But one day, when someone has a VHS copy of Avatar a month before release and asks you to come to this hotel, this room number, you better fucking follow them. You did that for Star Wars once, I recall...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    It's Not A Big Deal

    by A-COD

    People need to relax. If you break embargos than no more advance screenings and no more cool news. Pick a different machine to rage against. By the way, Star Trek is now officially cooler than Star Wars.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    so XoanonTORN, which sites have a wider reach and are more power

    by Amy Chasing

    I'm just curious because I think I'd like to read them too.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    poop - my title got truncated

    by Amy Chasing

    the rest was "ful than AICN" but you probably got that

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait To See Clone Wars

    by A-COD

    Next year when I download it for free on Limewire

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    When AICN got rid of their reviews....

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    instead of getting rid of everything, couldn't they have just did what they do when a studio tells them to take down a video or pic from a movie, and say "taken down because of so and so,etc"? They could of just done that and ALSO LEAVE ALL THE COMMENTS that people made. Why did they get rid of EVERYTHING????

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Bite the hand that feeds

    by jefflebowski

    So if everyone is T.O'd about AICN selling out, why don't the TBers revolt and move en masse to another site? Hit em where it hurts...the webclicks. I've tried to find another geeky movie-tv-comics site but never found one I liked or updated as much. I'm open to suggestions.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Amy Chasing

    by XoanonTORN

    Oh I've no idea the specific ones, and that's not to say AICN isn't still awesome..but sites like MTV.com, IGN, Empire, Entertainment Weekly, THR etc..etc. Those are big companies..big business...big time $$$ to get stuff. AICN hasn't, and won't go that way..no matter how much some TBers think they've 'sold out' over the years. <p> There is also the issue of 'synergy' (my mouth stings just saying that word)...we all know the same mega companies that own TV networks also own studios (ABC/Disney, NBC/Universal etc..). So when a movie studio wants to promote a movie, they give these exclusives to the 'sister' TV stations and Magazines...bloody Mega-Companies... <p> Michael Regina<br> Editor in Chief - TheOneRing.net<br> xoanon@theonering.net

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Way to go, Harry.

    by cyrenaic

    I've been critical of you in the past, big man. But I'll give you props for telling the geeks to have at it. As a former print guy who did movie reviews, I understand the embargo issue. It is a shame that this is what Star Wars has become. Well at least we have the Dark Knight. The king is dead; long live the king.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Michael regina, I think your name should be Michael Vagina

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    OOOHHHH BBBBUUUUURRRRRRRNNNNNNN Leafy Mcplantsalot Editor in Cheif -theonehole.net

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot

    by XoanonTORN

    Dude...weak..I've been hearing that one since the second grade. Usually I say 'you are what you eat' in return..but in your case you may not understand what I mean...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    My god haven't any of you seen the new Star Wars?

    by Series7

    Weren't they all about Embargoes? Isn't that what post Return of the Jeidi star wars is all about? I thought you people took this to heart. <P> Not sure if anyone else caught that this talk back was long and I missed it.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Mori

    by Immortal_Fish

    You've always been a class act. Please don't pull a "Joel."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Aren't most of the reviews here embargoed?

    by jimmay

    All the reviews from those early screenings where studios make people promise not to talk about them or reveal anything, what about those?. . .you guys should have just posted under psuedonyms, it would have been a polite, scott-free way of saying FUCK YOU to Warner Bros.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    jimmay

    by XoanonTORN

    Studios don't care WHO posted..they'll still rip you a new one. All this fluff over a craptastic movie..sad. And did someone finally ban Davettt?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I mean psuedo-psuedonyms.

    by jimmay

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Mori, Quint, et al are missing the point

    by KCMOSHer

    This seems to be happening more and more often lately: you make an editorial decision on the site based on business needs, then act shocked/angered/betrayed/annoyed when your readers push back, hard. What you all seem to forget is long ago, you started this site and made it what it was on one basis alone: you broke the rules, you sent 'spies' into the studio system for early reports, basically doing the -exact opposite- of what you do now. Your readers still kind of expect that from you, even though you haven't been that site for many years. I'm not saying that expectation is reasonable at this point, but it's there. And yeah, part of me wishes someone else would take up the banner of the 'fuck you, Hollywood, we're going to talk about your shit' gonzo journalists you once were. Now, Mori's a successful screenwriter, Harry's dabbling in moviemaking, and the site in general depends on the very system that it once used and abused to supply them with their lifeblood of access and exclusives. I'm not personally saying better or worse. I'm affiliated (with a much newer pseudonym) with a site that also plays by the rules. The problem is, they -always- played by the rules. You didn't. Imagine if Drudge started relying only on the wires for his content? It'd be a ghost town. You guys are -blessed- to have survived the transition from outlaws to lawmen. But you will never, ever outlive your own reputation, so I have no idea why you bother with these protestations of surprise when you get negative feedback for enforcing the law you once flagrantly broke.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I really couldn't care less.

    by Lobanhaki

    <br>So many people nowadays lack a sense of humor or fun about movies. That's what people don't realize about the prequels. They're not supposed to be Oscar material.</br> <br>Here's a little hint: if you find the stuff on screen to be too inane, and you love movies, then think of it as a career. Learn how to make movies better. Take the work Lucas started, and take it to the next level.</br> <br>Why? Because otherwise you're dwelling on this crap for nothing. If you've got nothing better to do than hang around a film site and be cynical, then I really pity you. It's like the story of that monk who helped a lady across a river. The monk he was travelling with fumed about it, since they were not supposed to deal with women like that. When the monk who carried the woman finally asked what was ticking him off, the other monk told him. The first monk replied "I carried the woman, yes, but I put her down on the other side. You have carried her all the way here."</br> <br>Put the lady down. If Lucas so offended you about it, fine. But it's nothing worth losing a screw over. Find a better science fiction work, or make one yourself. Stop whining.</br>

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    hey Lucas im not watching your movie thanks to AICN!!!

    by Seth Brundle

    they warned me that your movie is shit and im now telling all my friends so they dont spend money on your movie, and yes i know you are crying now

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    THIS IS SCANDALOUS!!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    It will go down in the anals of AICN history!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Oh, and whoever's posting that review...

    by Lobanhaki

    ...on their site, you are aware, aren't you, that you're violating Harry's copyright? He could go after you for that.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    THIS IS MADNESS!!!!!!

    by Seth Brundle

    :o

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    LMAO Copyright Comment

    by dudemandude

    yeah sure. That's not occupational suicide or anything.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Go Mori

    by Fireball XL-5

    Harry told the flamers to "have at it" because he's a pacifist. I could be wrong, but I suspect Mori is not, and I'm with him. I'm a pass-the-fist! Seriously, there are a lot of regular posters here who are no better than the people who talk loud or use cell phones during a movie. They contribute nothing of value to the experience and seem determined to provoke a fight. It's a pathetic ploy for attention. I say ban 'em and can 'em.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    So the moral of the story is. . .

    by jimmay

    It's absolutely pointless for the writers of this site to accept invitations from studios for embargoed early screenings when they can't write about them until everyone else has seen them. You should have waited for the public screening at the Egyptian. Now you can't even write about it, which is thoroughly stupid, seeing as how...wait for it....that's your fucking job! Seriously, next time the studios invite you to see a movie two days earlier than everyone else in return for your bought silence, JUST SAY NO.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    It's only embargoed because it blows

    by jimmy_009

    Studios love good buzz leaking early. This embargo says it all. You won't get my $10.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!, you're a dumb cunt, aren't you?

    by Atticus Finch

    It's funny how you cut and paste parts of quotes to try to cobble together some sort of argument. The PT wasn't sloppy, inorganic, or two-dimensional. It captured the spirit and fun of the originals for the most part. And yes, the little nuances that are part of the live saga do detract from the feel/spirit/excitement of seeing a true SW film. I guess you don't understand subtlety. Probably part of the reason you'll never break into the business.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    jimmay

    by XoanonTORN

    Embargoes usually end the day of the release of the movie/game/whatever..so AICN can post it at 12:01am on Friday morning..for everyone to read and ponder before going out that night...or whatever..

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Fireball

    by dudemandude

    Actually I'll wager a guess and say Harry said "have at it" because he believes in the 1st Amendment and actually is encouraging open discussion where as Mori is not. Harry walks a very fine line in his business, he is after all the "Rebel" who started this site, so a part of that is still in him, but there is also the business side that needs to placate the studios from time to time. I'm not in agreement with his decision to yank the reviews myself, but it's not my decision to make. <BR> <BR> I just think all this banning talk and suppression of people's fundamental right to Free Speech is disappointing. Harry does not seem to be one of these Speech Suppressors, at least as it pertains to the TalkBack, but some of the posters and Mori sure are. <BR> <BR> The 1st Amendment wasn't passed to protect nice speech. Nice speech doesn't need protecting. It was implemented to protect offensive and controversial speech, ideas that people don't want heard.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    You posted too soon! <p> Hey, it happens.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Remember When AICN hadn't sold out?

    by krylyyk

    There was a reason test screening exit poll papers added a clause stating viewers wouldn't put up reviews or spoilers about what they saw. In fact, there was a reason studio execs jokingly referred to it as "The Harry Knowles Clause." My, how far we've fallen and sold out. This brings into suspect EVERY review and comment ever on this site.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    I'm not in the US.

    by Gilkuliehe

    And I got invited to a screening of this and didn't get any shitty embargo. Why hold a screening if you're gonna slap the attendants with a "shush" thingy is beyond me. Anyway, I fell asleep during this movie. Next time, embargo my eyelids, WB! So there.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    dudemandude

    by Fireball XL-5

    I agree. When the framers conceived the 1st Ammendment they were thinking about a person's inalienable right to call someone an "asshat."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    XoanonTORN

    by jimmay

    I don't know, I think most people work all day Friday. Political campaigns and administrations have been known to release bad or at least unfavorable news on Friday afternoons, knowing that it's the one time of the week people are least likely to be prowling the internet or haunting the news networks, and by the time they do tune in or sign on at the end of the weekend, it's all largely blown-over. It's a journalistic dead-zone, and I strongly recommend Harry, Mori, et al refuse their ruse next time. It's just bad news-sense.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Definitely a contridiction...

    by Philvis

    Personally, I do not see why a reviewer would see a film if they are not allowed to release their review until the day of the movie. Give me a break. It's the oldest trick in the book. If they can't badmouth the movie prior to its release for being horrible, ticket sales should be good the first weekend. If it is widely known to be a bad movie, ticket sales could potentially be bad opening weekend. I hope Harry and the gang show a little more integrity next time and tell the studio to piss off if they are invited to a screening with an embargo. If the big sites are posting their reviews, there is no reason to be scared to post yours or feel like you have betrayed a shitty studio.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Embargo

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    Lucas... Use the enForce, Lucas. Ever get the feeling the word "Jawa" was a racial slur? They would never call themselves Jawas, until many years later when they discovered hip-hop as a means of self expression.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Calm down, it's no big deal...

    by JuanSanchez

    BUT IF YOU FUCKING POST IT WE WILL FUCKING BAN YOUR ASS!!!!! Doesn't seem to mesh.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Crazy

    by Ilthaniel

    Seriously some of you guys are crazy, I mean crazy in that you need to seek some professional help. Getting angry over something like this is pretty mad. I mean really, does it matter? No, it really doesn't. Want to get worked up about something? , try looking at whats happening in Georgia at the moment, where people are dying. Or just something, anything, real, that actually matters. If AICN are giving attitude I think its a natural reaction to a bunch of kids who really should get over themselves.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I was hoping for a Hard R Aalya Secura

    by zinc_chameleon

    ...and the rest of you guys were too. Admit it, you'll feel better.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas ass-fucked my freedom of speech. Twice.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    ALL THIS VENOM AND VITRIOL ... OVER STAR WARS?

    by BringingSexyBack

    I love it!!!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    man guys, I think you're missing the point...

    by BadMrWonka

    as Mori said, "Lucas’s little cartoon movie isn’t worth all this sound and fury."<p>personally I think it's obvious that WB and Lucasfilm know that a few days of hardcore fan backlash will hurt this, they're not stupid. and Harry's review was gonna get reprinted everywhere, it was so harsh. and so they're enforcing the embargo a little more stringently here than elsewhere, because of the type of people that read this site, and the influence they have on the web. ultimately, they underestimated the hoopla that was going to come of it because of talkbacker ire and entitlement, and if that backfires on them, so be it. but that's their problem. why take it out on Mori and AICN?<p>AICN eschewing an embargo, getting a couple calls, and ultimately complying, isn't the goddamn Kennedy assassination. so a couple of the guys weren't on the same page and a few wires were crossed. relax! I understand being indignant about mistreatment. but you oughtn't make the mistaken assumption that everything that AICN does is about YOU. sometimes, it's about THE SITE. <p>I'd like to take a quick poll to see how many of you that are up in arms about this still believe in the Loch Ness Monster...and if so, I have some land on Mars to sell you, real cheap!<p>I haven't seen this many dingbats come out of the AICN woodwork since the Lost spoiler debacle last year. jesus christ. chill out people.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    remind me again

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    who the fuck cares?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    who gives a shit about this movie?

    by Judge Briggs

    really? looks awful.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    IT'S A CARTOON, PEOPLE

    by BringingSexyBack

    A cartoon. Let it go.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Bullshit artists and liars... ALL OF YOU!

    by Drafthouse_Slave

    This place makes me sick. Lucas doesn't owe any of you assholes a damn thing. Their HIS films, NOT YOURS. Did he fuck your childhood in the ass? Did he rape the 10 year old who played with his toys? Did he jam that Luke Figure in your ass while giving you a reach around. I love it when the dumb fucks of this site come out of the woodwork to bitch and complain about Lucas. The guy has done more for the film industry then ANYONE. ILM, Skywalker Sound are involved in 80% of the films released every year. He was the first person to back PIXAR. While the Prequels are far from perfect, the story was always there. Read the Prologue to the 1976 Novelization of Star Wars. It's ALL THERE, the whole fucking thing. I know 4 NON-Lucasfilm people who have seen this film and LOVED it. Basically all Prequel haters as well. They're made these stories weren't waht was used for the Prequels. The film wasn't made by Lucas, it was made by Star Wars fans. Dave Filoni, the director, is more Kasdan then Lucas. I also love how SW fans bitch and complain at any given moment about buying this and buying that... BUT YOU STILL FUCKING BUY IT! YOU STILL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY IN THE BOARDS, STILL FUCKING RUSH OUT TO SEE THIS STUFF!!! Just shut the fuck up. WB put an embargo on The Dark Knight and the last 2 Potter films. Go on believing Lucas screwed you over. I really wish he would knock down your door and fuck you with a 1/4 scale Sideshow Vader because then at least it would be true. Anytime you fucks bitch about Star Wars it's like Peter crying wolf, it's fucking old... older then dirt. Get over it, you fucks... Stop Buying the toys and DVDS, stop going to the movies and don't weatch the TV shows when they're on and make a stand... ..but you dumb ass won't and you'll either bitch on and on or, just maybe, this film and the TV series will shut you morons up.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I like whales.

    by HyphenatedWords

    Silly, silly people. Maybe it comes from being old enough to remember what it was like to wait for things and not feel ownership of someone else's work (good or bad) as a born privilege, but I think the posturing is a lot of misplaced chi.<br> <br> Let's talk about the important things. Moriarty, what is your favorite breakfast cereal? I had some plain Cheerios with a bit of honey this morning and enjoyed my ridunculous "chopping" Batman toy.<br> <br> "Mom! Billy took my Heath Ledger action figure! You know, the one from the film I'm too young to see but is being marketed to me anyway."

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    TADA!

    by dontBanMeBro

    http://tinyurl.com/6ez8ny Please...... don't ban me bro!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    EMBARGO / KENNEDY ASSASSINATION

    by BringingSexyBack

    Now that BadMrWonka mentioned it, where are you people when the talkbacks really count for something, like war and Constitutional rights? Y'all need to leave that galaxy far far away and plot a course back home.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    It's coming out in August...

    by DarthFloyd

    Isn't that usually when summer movies that are guarenteed to suck are released? Honest, what is the big deal? <p>For those of us pleading ignorance to the whole "embargo" thing, I have a couple of questions for the esteemed black-backgrounders.<p>Break an embargo, what happens? Cease and Desist? Lawsuit? People in black suits knock on your door at a late hour and flash neurolyzers?<p>I thought newspapers and other media couldn't officially print reviews until at least the evening before opening, does an embargo such as this prevent even that from taking place?<p>Good or bad, what the hell is everyone getting their panites in a bunch over? Everyone who complained of their childhood being gang-raped by George and Jar Jar, how much worse could this be? Are we talking worse that The Holiday Special?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Zoidberg, you ignorant ass...

    by Drafthouse_Slave

    He owes you nothing. Really, he doesn't. He owes none of us anything. You'd all be bitching and complaining had he never made the Prequels. You'll bitch and complain through anything and everything the man does. I love how everyone bitched about Indy 4 and through the blame on him, but he was 1/3 to blame on that mess... But no one will throw blame on Spielberg and Ford... even though they were all in on it as well. The intelligence level of the people who comment here is below legally retarded. You all should have your handles start with "MagnoliaFan" and end numerically according to when you signed up.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Drafthouse_Slave = tool

    by WhoDis

    which I guess makes him true to his nickname

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    i call illuminati

    by chipps

    or bilderburg. <p> I honestly don't care, it all seems pretty stupid, but really, this started as a site made by a guy who went and saw movies like everyone else. I don't even read the massively ahead of time reviews because i don't really want to know everything about a movie before i go in, i come out and talk about the movie after i have seen it. Point is you do seem very afraid of pissing these guys off (not that i really care) when really the advantage of a fan boy site this is not caring about pissing them off. what if there was an embargo on Godzilla images? would you post the image?

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    MADNESS? THIS IS SPARTAN GAY DISCO!!!

    by LaserPants

    Lift the embargo and lift your buns! Its time to penetrate the femme Persian overtranny to a pounding disco beat!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Skip the toon mates!

    by JERRY HORROR

    Where is our promised live action television program? I'll go see clone wars in theaters, without my girlfriend. She's smarter than that. (sigh) Lucas owns children of the 70's and 80's souls. www.myspace.com/jerryhorror

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Harry's Review

    by Drafthouse_Slave

    I wouldn't trust a review from Harry if my life depended on it. The guy has been bought by Hollywood, plain and simple. He's been corrupted by the wining and dining, set and editing room visits. What? No one at Lucas Animation sent a Cargo plane down to get you and park you infront of the Presidio Buffet? A bad review from Harry doesn't mean what it use to, folks. There's few people I would trust on this site for a review anymore.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by chipps

    i watched that documentary you suggested. I took notes on the factual errors. I don't wanna piss you off but many of them can be easily shown to be wrong. Half the documentary was a guy yelling 'im not your slave' at passing cars. My queiries with are too long to post here but i'll post them in the twitch thread if you are interested (and if it won't degenerate into name calling) anyway it was still interesting.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    LASER: HOW ABOUT SABBATH NIGHT FEVER?

    by BringingSexyBack

    You should be prayin', yeah!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    CHIPPS, I'M JUST GLAD YOU WATCHED IT

    by BringingSexyBack

    No name-calling from me, my man. It may have some errors but how accurate could one be when investigating secret societies? By nature, their activities are closely guarded, and such Satanic conspiracists would not have attained world dominion by letting guys like Alex Jones so easily discover them ... but at least you got a glimpse at the truth and looked with an open mind - that's more than I could say for most sheeple in this world ...

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    My prediction

    by conspiracy

    This cut rate, soulless, 5th rate, toy commercial is gonna get beat worse than Amanda Lucas on her New Zealand adventure. The prequels were bad enough, but from what I'm seeing this thing looks like like some kind of Direct to Video release.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    dudemandude

    by codymr

    Thx for the support dude.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by codymr

    At least for me, it's less about Lucas' little film and more about AICN and the way they have dealt with people look to this site for information... AICN dealt with the sitation poorly. The only Star Wars film I like it the ESB... the rest I thought were enjoyable, but only OK on the scale of pop entertainment. I'd probably rent Clone Wars if I don't catch it on TV first. But that's just one man's opinion.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Not very confident, are they?

    by slaughterstorm

    at least they care enough about our opinions to fear that we might make them lose money...interesting how often bad films try to defend themselves so feebly.

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    whinging cunts

    by thehoebo

    my god you lot are a bunch of whinging fuckers. 'wah wah wah, lucas stole my childhood' 'wah wah wah, star wars is dead'. do fuck off you pretentious cunts, not one of you has any right to get this worked up over a series of fucking movies. That goes for what i loosely call 'reviewers' too. All of you talking like the world is over because of the PT or the animated film, of you don't like it piss off back to your basements so you can wank about leia in her gold bikini. The truth is, star wars aint dead, it will go on a long time after you've all died from terminal stupidity and cheese overdoses. Star Wars, the original film, is a bit shitty, it always way, hokey story, hokey acting, hokey everything, it wasn't that good, it's not The Godfather, it may seem that way to you lunatics but it's seriously not, it's just a fun 'B' movie. Harry, and all the other pretentious wankers that are claiming it to be some raping of childhood need to seriously get fucked, they are the worst sort of fans, the fucking hard core losers that felt sorry for the Star Wars Kid. Yes the PT was a bit shit, but none so bad as the opening hour of Jim Henson's Return of the Muppet Jedi, I skip straight to degobah EVERY time. Quite why the fuck you losers are so angry over this, only your mothers know, I'll probably see Clone Wars, I'll probably watch the series, and the liver series, whenever it happens. I WON'T get overly worked up about it, because I'm not a stupid fanboy cunt like 99% of you fuckers. Owned.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I Would Just Like To Say

    by CutAndPaste

    That I find it funny that we should all "calm the fuck down" when AintItCool tucks its tail between its legs and removes content when Warners asks them too, but its totally wrong for Paramount to do the same when a advocacy group for the mentally handicapped asks them too. Harry did it out of greed and so did Paramount, but at least Paramount can say that they also did it because maybe the clips from the movie, taken out of the context of the scene, can be seen as offensive or something. So yeah, these guys can suck it.<br><br>On a related note; I don't think I've ever seen a post by Moriarty that didn't come off as douche-baggery of the highest order.<br><br>Vern is awesome though!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    A Horse head in Harry's bed...

    by Sulla

    compliments of Lucas and Luca Brasi. That's what REALLY happened.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    AICN does look like pussies now

    by fiester

    ...or maybe sell-outs. So much for edgy, outsider reviews. I guess you need a note from Lucas' mom now before you can review his shite.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck cares about this kiddie crap...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...when AVATAR IS FUCKING OUR EYEBALLS in 2009!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Ha!

    by Gracing The Stage

    There's a delicious irony in the fact that this notice was posted directly above Harry's "Free Speech is Under Attack" rant.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Advance screenings are a fucking COURTESY

    by Horace Cox

    Studios give advance press screenings as a courtesy to the reviewers so they have time to formulate their thoughts, do some research, or whatever else they need to do so they can write a coherent review with ample time before going to press or air.<p> It's a courtesy to the reviewers so they don't have to rush and scribble out a half-assed review the day before a movie hits theaters (although it may end up being half-assed anyway).<p> When you go to these screenings you agree to the studio's rules. That's the agreement for the privilege and advantage of seeing it early - it provides more time to write a thorough and thoughtful review but you have to hold off publishing or airing it until the agreed upon time.<p> It's as simple as that. There is no grand conspiracy at play here. AICN is agreeing to play by the rules that were agreed upon. You simpletons who can't understand this need to fling yourselves under a speeding bus as soon as possible.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Wait,wait,wait,wait,wait,wait,what's Vern got to say

    by Stormwatcher

    Cuz he needed to lighten the mood. Harry, what woudl this play out to like a 4 year old?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Fuck Da Police

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Check it I'm thru with love I'm thru with all you mothafuckas Feelin' mad shitty Gonna burn down the city Takin' it over for the brothers Burn it up Come on! Tear it up Yeah!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Just get me an Apache Gunship...

    by Dr Eric Vornoff

    ...and the directions to Lucas' ranch and let me go full retard on his ass. Oops, I take that back. Please don't ban me.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    so it still sucks

    by disfigurehead

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    You know what, fuck Star Wars. Fuck Lucas.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I am so over Star Wars. It was ruined when the prequels came out and Lucas just continues to ruin it more until all he will be left with is one fat chest bumping douche. Really truly, fuck Star Wars.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    clone wars predicted to hit 80 million! just a small mini-rant

    by hey...jonboy

    why is everyone attacking this site? did you really think this site with the amount of traffic it gets daily was completely immune from movie studio influence? stop being so damn naive. this is the nature of the business. if you want a site that hasnt so-called sold out, then go read some idiot's my-space blog. every bit of movie news is not the result of some late night sleuthing. of course much of the info is provided. its a symbiotic relationship. i personally disagree with just about everyone of harry's reviews. you know what? i read other sites reviews to get a sense of whether i will likely enjoy a movie. harry provides a unique perspective on movies and reviews. where else are you going to read gushing and often overly vulgar reviews about movies. certainly not from the nyt or entertainment weekly. also, everyone has faults. maybe harry recieved perks for his godzilla review maybe not. i honestly couldnt care less. this whole thing reeks of jealousy. the way that each fanboy/nerd seems entitled to rip this site apart at the slightest perceived mistake really grinds my gears. (i apologize for the reference). and lastly, what the hell do you expect when you post idiotic things on the scriptgirl talkbacks. dont turn this into the 4chan message boards. although i disagree with what harry and the others did, i believe it is the nature of the game. whatever, i hate star wars anyways. this movie particularly looked like a piece of shit.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Some men just want to watch the world uh...singe.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Rappin Duke

    by TerryMalloy

    Fetch!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Yes, I see....

    by MongoRa

    Everything sucks. Got it. Good thing I checked the talkback. Thanks!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    But when do we get...

    by nascentia

    ...Harry's review for 'Hungry Bitches'? I know you all have heard about it, due to the infamous trailer for the film. The trailer goes by the title "2 Girls 1 Cup." But I want an AICN review of the whole thing.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Duke

    by TerryMalloy

    Simmer down.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Duke

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Bedways is rightways now, so best you go homeways and get a bit of spatchka. Right, right?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    My face remains straight and unpissed.

    by TerryMalloy

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Sigh

    by TerryMalloy

    Duke, I knew you were nothing but a lousy gimcrack whore.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Duke

    by Rommel Catuncan

    No, we shall go to the woods and shoot little sparrows with me ol' rifle, eh? Come on. I gots some red in a box.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Banned for reposting?

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    But, its being reposted elsewhere on the internet. Obviously you cant enforce that, but also obviously wouldn't warner brothers see a repost in the forum as not an editorial decision by staff, but simply people in a public forum sharing shit? I mean, what, are they gonna enforce an embargo on imdb, where Harrys review was floating around? I don't even get the big deal. Its not like you guys haven't done reviews of Star Wars before where the viewing was under the table. If they didn't go after you for that, why go after you now? Or is simply that Warner Brothers are just dicks? I mean shit, thats why we READ REVIEWS, to get EARLY news on the flicks. Aside from the niche market like Vern, or the occasional essay like in depth analysis, its not like anyone gives a shit about a critics opinion. Just look at box office receits for proof of that.

  • That seems to be causing a great deal of fuss over the internets.<p> <p>Hell if it was a Warner company drone then you may not agree with it but it avoids Lawsuits presumably.<p> <p>Though if it was an empty threat with no specific sanction then why cave ?<p> <p>If it was Lucasfilm though... that DOES reek and reek quite a bit.<p> <p>I don't care how cool a visit to ILM and Skywalker Ranch is TBH. LucasWorship and doing his every bidding is not what I come to this site for.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    big fucking deal

    by ironic_name

    move along dweebs, we had fun razzin' on the guys for putting stuff on and deleting it, but its over.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    WHEN DID PISSING OFF THE STUDIOS BECOME AN ISSUE???????

    by J-Dizzle

    Now AICN has been online for many years, and my memory may be fuzzy on this so correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Harry pissing off the studios left, right, and center long before he was invited to these early screenings?<p> I mean the WHOLE REASON AICN was so notorious was because Harry dared to take on the wrath of the Hollywood Suits and post many things which angered these same suits. Now, all Hollywood has to do is click its fingers and Harry complies.<p> In the words of the Joker: "I mean, what happened? Did your - did your balls drop off?"<p> Its the studios own damn fault for not making Harry sign a confidentiality agreement. What are they going to do if Harry keeps the review up? Not invite him to any screenings? Harry didn't give a rat's arse back then, why care now? It doesn't make any sense.<p> NOTE: I posted this on the "Free Speech" talkback, so I thought I'd post this on here too. Seemed relevant.<p> Embargoes? Really? Are you fucking kidding me? That's the best you could come up with? Are you telling me there were no EMBARGOES when Harry posted negative reviews of the Batman and Robin prescreening back in '97? Are you telling me Warner Bros didn't have an embargo policy back then?<p> You're right on one thing Mori. This isn't a conspiracy thing. Its fucking BULLSHIT.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    brian benben!

    by ironic_name

    dark angel with dolph!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Said with calm voice and forceful eyes

    by speed

    Talkbackers,move along...these are not the reviews you are looking for. <P> chill, calm down, take a xanax or two or whatever the hell you Gen Y's do to stop from whinging like firefly lovers about getting cancelled and realise that there are huge companies with powerful lawyers out there. You want there to be no AICN? Gotta pick your battles wisely.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Business connections...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Of course you do Moriarty. You write for a television show and now a production company turning one of your script into a feature film. Of course, I've never seen you bend any review towards any of the people involved in those shows or films. I don't think I ever recall you even reviewing anything by them. Although, its safe to assume you know Mick Garris, and are apparently friends with Frank Darabont, two guys who are uber fanboys turned film makers, which seems similar to your situation. I have to ask, since you worked on the same show as John Landis, has your opinion of him mellowed somewhat? To the dude claiming Ebert and Co. Don't do cameos in films or do set visits, your a retard. They do, and most reviewers would if offered. As far as AICN being neutered? Its true. They have lost their balls, and they have lost what made them popular in the first place. However, thats what happens when you transition from something that was a hobby, to something that puts food on your table. Its an ugly stage at the moment for the site, because they haven't quite made that transformation from outsider, ramshackle, uninhibited free press to a professional "onion av club" like pop culture media site. Part of the incessant whingeing in the talkbacks is also related to necessary sanitising of the talkbacks. Once you start to carry advertisers and get big, like a television network, you have to be mindful of what your sponsors do or don't want to see. Unfortunately that takes away from what makes AICN's talkbacks the best in the game. It will be interesting to see if they staff persevre until they make the transition to a more generic website, or if they decide its not capable of that, and go their own ways and use the place more as a blog. With old school big time contributors like Moriarty and Quint heading off more and more into the real world to actually make films, and Harry showing no signs of cleaning himself up, I can kind of see that happening.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Harry's review drinks a beer & cheets on his..

    by Bootskin

    ..Wife! You guys seriously need to calm the fuck down. You act like you sent in reviews that got taken down. If everyone is so sick of the site, and it's "shenanigans", then fuck off and go to Joblo or Chud. We need to cull the douchebag population of this site anyhow. Asshats.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Speed...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...No lawyer can close AICN for them posting a review. Especially in these circumstances. However, Warner Brothers could cut AICN out of the promotional circuit for say, the third batman film. That sucks for AICN because they miss out on high traffic generating material, and for their readers it means they miss out on early exclusives that they could discuss about in AICN's talkbacks. Obviously, it sucks harder for AICN, since its their business getting fucked with, but I understand the ire some talkbackers feel out the selling out. Sort of like Clash fans hearing one of their songs on a coke commercial. Strummer gotta eat.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Hey Harry, Moriarty, whoever..

    by Cotton McKnight

    If you guys ARE making money on this site, how about throwing a little bit of that towards fixing the search engine? That thing is useless. Let google handle it if your boy isn't up to the job.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    I remember listening to an interview...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...With the lead singer of Modest Mouse. About how members of their audience reacted negatively to them selling their songs to companies for commercials. His response was that half their fans didn't feel so bad about getting their content free via downloads, and until they were putting bread on his table, he had to make a living so he could continute to put music out for them. Same deal. Thats why you'll notice I'm a whiny asshole personally, not professionally. I'll slam on the reviewers for having shit taste, not for making sound business decisions.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    As far as i'm concerned..

    by Cotton McKnight

    if you guys signed an agreement not to post a review until a specific date, then that's on you. Your fault, and you have nothing to complain about. But the whole "things aren't always as they seem" vibe that Harry gave off makes that sound unlikely. Unfortunately, the only scenerio that would make Ain't it Cool News look good is the above- and even that borders on incompetence. If there are more twists and turns to the story, then the only thing it could be is coersion and that is NOT cool. Especially if it came in the form of bribes, blackmail, or extortion. ESPECIALLY if they said you couldn't visit the ranch or have toys anymore. That just aint cool.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    different scenerio, whiny negative bitch.

    by Cotton McKnight

    Readers drive the site. We are the traffic that generates the revenue that comes in the form of ad sales and any other way they make money. If Harry does something that somehow violates the integrity of this site and makes us question his motives, then he will lose readers. Traffic will go down, and then what happens? Less ad sales, the site becomes less relevant, and then none of it will matter. The point is, Harry has as much of an obligation to the readers as he does to the goons in the suits. Won't have access to Lucas projects anymore? Fine, go back to getting emails from insiders. REAL, unbiased reports. Moriarty is being threatened with not getting another job in the industry? Fine, quit aintitcool and keep your hands clean. That's his choice. Not that I think they would do that, of course. The point is, the website can generate money without whatever Lucas is putting in their pockets. It's just a question of whether or not they want to work that hard and give up the perks. Clearly, they don't.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    op-ed

    by goldenage

    Count the number of hits this site gets and then work out as a percentage the amount of outspoken “you betrayed us” posters. What’s the percentage? Less than one I’m guessing. No point in trying to appease the braying idiot masses, no point at all. The problem with writing a vitriolic op-ed piece aimed at a small fraction of people makes it (no doubt mistakenly) sound like you hold your readership in contempt. <p>If you feel the need to explain decisions made on the site, talk like an adult to the adults that read here and let the screeching idiots rage themselves hoarse. <p>They only make you look bad if you rise to the bait.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Why this matters to us.

    by Elohim

    KCMOSHer already summed up my opinion better than I probably could (read the talkback before posting, what a novel idea), but I wanted to say a little something about why people are making such a big deal out of a review of a crappy movie that was only temporarily pulled. Not to get too dramatic, but in my mind, this is a little like the Howard Dean scream or Britney Spears shaving her head. It's a small incident that suddenly crystallizes all of the vague impressions you have about something into a single image, and that image becomes a symbol of the larger truth. In this case, it's not about the review, it's the fact that readers here have, over the years, seen AICN change from a website of outsiders looking in to a website of insiders looking out, and this incident (hell, this post of Mori's) is entirely emblematic of that. I don't fault the staff for it. Honestly, if I had the choice between running an outlaw geek movie website and being a semi-successful screenwriter or movie producer, I know which one I would choose, and I think most of us would choose the same. I can't fault Harry and Mori for wanting a chance to express their own creative vision, or even just for wanting the chance to meet and talk to some of the filmmakers and actors who have made such a big impact on all our lives. But it does come at a price, and that price is, as many people have noted, giving up the one thing that really made this site worth visiting, at least for me. I don't come here for early reviews of movies, I come here to read things that make me think, "ain't it cool." I've been here for a while (as I type this, I can't believe I've been visiting this site off and on for almost 10 years), and it seems to me like the supply of those cool things has been trailing off slowly but surely. It just took this incident to crystallize all of that data into a "why" that made sense. I'm not mad; after all, this is the way the world works. I'm just a little sad because I loved that old outlaw movie geek website, and I only kinda like this new website that's into advanced reviews and celebrity interviews.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    GoldenAge and Elohim...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... GOLDENAGE: if you aren't one of the hysterics, then the op-ed was definitely not aimed at you, and no offense was meant. That was for that narrow percentage of the audience, and I'm sorry if you felt talked down to. <P>Elohim, well-said and most likely inarguable. People change. There's no way I'd try to say that what I write now is what I wrote 12 years ago.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Cotton...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Thats what I said. They are transitioning and as a result, the essential appeal of the site is being lost. Thats why it will be interesting to see if they can or even want to, maintain it as a legitimate professional site.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by Bootskin

    I know what you're saying, but others have been saying similar things for years. And look! The site's STILL going strong. Unfortunately, there will always be people who'll start freaking out at the slightest little thing, and blow it all out of proportion. That's seriously what happened in this scenario in my opinon.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Abandoning the site isn't the worst thing they could do. Imagine if Truffaut decided to "keep it real" instead of giving film making a shot. Thats right, I somehow compared the writer of Cigarette Burns with Truffaut.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    To those...

    by tomdolan04

    slightly off-topic referring to the Russia/Georgia conflict, the tragic part is the locals of Georgia are crying out at the international community to step in against Russia as Georgia offered great support when the Iraq conflict kicked off. <p> They can't understand why the world won't kick off against Russia as they did with Iraq. I hate oversimplifying, but it really is a school playground situation. You tend not to pick fights with guys you don't think you can easily beat into submission, or if theres nothing in it for you at the end. <p> Ditto with Mugabe. He's on par with Hussein in terms of attrocity and all the U.N can do is tut with disapproval. <p> Back to Clone Wars, I agree that the whole 'oops two reviews posted then pulled, we teh forgot or weren't told about an embargo' is questionable, but to launch into tirades about the writers in wrong. Their site, their creative input = their call. <p> The world and his wife knows this will be disappointing and lacking at best. If people want to attack anything, attack Warners' (and other studios) fantastically cynical 'embargo the duds, turn to AICN to pimp the good' policy.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    AICN still works for me...

    by ianlegend

    ...press embargo or not. Harry thinks Clone Wars stinks. I know he thinks it stinks. I won't be rushing out to see it. So who gives a fuck whether the review is down again until Friday?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    True Boot...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...But its been circling the mainstream drain faster and faster in the last couple of years. I'd be sad to see it go, but its sort inevitable. Nothing can keep going forever. Otherwise I'd still be buying Fangoria from the newstand. Just compare Harrys review of Episode 2 with this incident Boot.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Mighta Have Fallen?

    by MightyOs

    When I first heard about this site there were rumours that AICN could make or break a film BEFORE release.....

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    TomDolan...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Are you a fucking retard? Kick off just like Iraq? THEY HAVE KICKED OFF JUST LIKE IRAQ. Bush and Blair told the U.N. to suck their dick as they raped and pillaged some backwards shit hole, and Russia is doing exactly the same. I can't believe Bush even had the nerve to open his mouth in public to condemn a superpower using terrorism as an excuse to steal resources from a small country and attempt to increase their influence in a part of the world they aren't liked much in. Now thats some fucking hypocrisy that talkbackers can agree upon.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    The same old story

    by Lloytron

    It's all about the money. Keeping the studios sweet, being corporate whores. Not biting the dick that feeds you.<p>All of which is fine from a business perspective. It also shows AICN for what it really is.<p>Oh and for those that don't understand why they would show it a week early, please engage your brains - obviously not everyone in the screening was under the same embargo. Do you think they are going to hold individual screenings for each organisation, or screen it en masse to a wide range of people but give them different restrictions on when they can review?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    have we ever taken time to think what if....?

    by walfrid

    What if George Lucas had all of these story lines, concepts, bad ideas, great ideas, lovable characters and Jar Jar all in mind, when he was smoking pot in college? If when he says he had the story in his head all along, and now he has the freedom to do whatever the hell it is he's doing, well good for him. I mean the man has children that aren't gonna pay for college themselves, and honestly who here wouldn't want a kick ass ranch with no freakin' neighbors and all the highest geeky toys at their disposal? And a Darth Vader bodyguard to boot! As far as the reviews go, if the movie is really as bad as it's sounds like it's going to be, the guys at AICN news can tell us in detail on friday how shitty it is. Hell that's what we thrive for. I've been reading this site since the first rumors of the LotR movie, and the site has grown to have one of the best online community of readers, so if we have to wait til friday for the guys to tell us how much the movie sucks, I guess we wait. Keep doin what you do guys. but keep in mind, that yeah the studios give you those perks to see things early, that the reason you guys are getting those perks is because you run a site where there are so many passionate fans.. we're all big boys and girls, but every once in a while a lesson in patience does us good.. Thanks

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    The reviews shouldn't be a suprise...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...For anyone who saw any of the promotional art work or witnessed the incredibly shitty trailers. I was dumbfounded that some tards were even looking forward to two hours of video game cut scenes in the first place.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Quote: "Lucas’s little cartoon movie isn’t worth all this sound

    by sheathledger

    a review in itself no?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Joe Hallenbeck, anybody?

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Anybody remember convicted felon Joe Hallenbeck aka Michael Gerhard when AICN was posting reviews by convicted felon? Just so we're clear here.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    AICN's balls dropped off a long time ago

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    Making mistakes is horrible, but pretending nothing happened is much worse, guys. When, if ever, will this simple truth get to you? Now would be a good time.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    sheathledger

    by onephatnelly

    Agreed, but I think it's more a case of Lucas himself isn't worth all this sound.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    tomdolan04

    by ironic_name

    america seems to be going around invading other sovereign nations.. <P> it seems if any country needs "liberating" its the us.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but Hallenbeck...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Got some good early reviews. Pirated copy reviews used to be semi common around here, even Harry indulged. I personally don't have an issue with them stopping that though, cause Piracy is a dick thing to do. I believe in supporting film makers, to a certain extent (cinema owners and distributors less so).

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:11 a.m. CST

    My point is AICN used to brag out being outlaw

    by JackRabbitSlim

    It seems hard to believe this is the same site that tried to crash the Oscar winners. All the "cookies" and "pwesents" and wanna-be producing credits are gutting it of the rebellious nature it once had - or at least tried very hard to have.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Just Read Elohim

    by MightyOs

    That's a nicer way of saying what I did. I concur, sir. And don't mean to be too pissy to the staff here. Just, maybe a new underground outlaw site is needed.....

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST

    so wait, a felon can't have...

    by walfrid

    an opinion towards whether a movie is good or bad?.... oh yeah that's right because when you become a felon, you lose your opinion card... wait, no I'm pretty sure you just can't vote anymore, or buy handguns.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't have seen this movie anyway

    by Steve Rogers

    It looks terrible. I have to think though, that if AICN had obeyed an embargo back in the day would we have go the legendary BATMAN & ROBIN review? Stick it to the man. Fuck Warners and their lousy movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Everyone at AICN is middle aged now

    by catlettuce4

    don't forget. Kids, mortgages, loans. It happens

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Everyone at AICN is middle aged now

    by catlettuce4

    don't forget. Kids, mortgages, loans. It happens

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Who care's? I'm going to see this regardless

    by pokadoo

    I sat through the holiday special and two Ewok movies. How bad can this be? With my Cinemapass it will only cost me my time, and a small part of my soul.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    the site has compromised itself to a certain extent

    by zapano

    due to its success. don't get me wrong, it's still a great read. and i think it's still sticking to its convictions, eg. the site certainly showed how much lucas messed up by rejecting the darabont script. i think this whole thing reflects in part how much fan's estimation of Lucas has fallen. Even during the time of the prequels you could entertain an apologist's point of view. I even remember seeing people coming out of the phantom menace convincing themselves they liked it. But now, any apologist now comes off as just some weirdo loon bag.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Mori, you are becoming a really pissy guy

    by The Gospel According to Bastardface

    You're constant disdain for your readership is amazing. You may paint me as another asshole who wants to be ugly and nasty, but I'm not. I just find your constant vitriol towards the whole AICN Talkback community to be baffling. You have forgotten your roots. The best thing about AICN are the Talkbacks. I have been entertained to the hilt by some of the most hilarious and insightful commentary by lowly T'Bers. You shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    What does it all MEAN?

    by Mr Gorilla

    Why did Lucas have a premiere for this movie (I saw an interview where he claims it's the first of his movies ever to have one) but them WB embargoes? I mean, embargoe is ALWAYS the sign of a studio knowing that advance word of mouth will be bad, right? (Someone please put me right here - has there EVER been a case of a movie being embargoed because it was GOOD?) So if you are keeping schtum, why the premiere?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    And why piss off your fans?

    by Mr Gorilla

    I am one of the few that really liked the prequels - well, 2 and 3 anyway, although I saw each of them twice in the cinema, and own each on DVD. So that makes me a pretty solid fan. I would book seats to the opening weekend weeks in advance. But with this movie, I can't explain why, I'm not up for it. Can't get excited about it. Anyone else feel like that? It's sad. I truly think that the sex Star Wars movies are one of the greatest things in the history of cinema. I mean it. I have a couple of friends who watch loads of Bergman, French films etc and never saw Star Wars, and when they watch the Star Wars movies (especially, IV and V, obviously) it's blown their minds. I'm not saying that Lucas is better than Tarkovsky or anything, but what he's done in creating a word (that's not an adaptation of a book) is incredible.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    HALFWAY!

    by theycallmemrglass

    Just making up for a lack of a First poster. Only time will tell if this is an accurate post... So what are we talking here? Has Harry sold out? No, he hasnt. Neither has the AICN team. But things have inevitably changed since the exciting days when Harry was shown a top secret video of SW:ATOC months before release, or since the days when WB would literally blame Harry's site for the poor performance of a Batman film, or the days when spies risked their lives to get a review in before release, or the days when there were no shitty embargoes. AICN was radical in the past. Now it is simply different because other film sites have emerged and peoples's lives move on. What AICN is now is a hardcore film geek community where opinions are no holds barred and absolutely noone is banned from TBs. Not even TalkbackDeath...until now! Wow, now we can be banned for posting up a AICN review! AICN is still ours, no one is selling out. Its just no one at AICN is daring to break rules anymore. Harry has to progress in life, so he has become a TV personality and movie producer and now a husband. That changes a person but thats life, and it aint for the bad. Everyone just has to move on and cherish the good 'ol days. That said AICN still fucking rocks, we still get exclusives, we still get wacky reviews from the team including Harry's unique chocolate covered pussy style, we still bitch like we never bitch before and we are still talking/bitching/crying/praising about fucking STAR WARS as we did for over a fucking decade. We maybe dissapointed about AICN giving in to the embargoe shit but one thing hasnt changed whilst our indivuals lives has aged and moved on, the TALKBACKERS. We still come here and to bitch, defend, attack and man, its bliss. Long live AICN. Can I have a freebie now, please for my pro AICN site review? A Harry Doll? Quint signed shark? a Moriary signed cap? No? Fuck.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    This is Weird because

    by FuryofthefilmFan

    they DO have early screenings, quite a few of them too. Do they honestly thing negative reviews a few days before a screening is going to make a difference? If that's the case then stop all screenings, trick your fans into seeing another stupid jedi story and thats the end of that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Harry hates the movie and slaps it down harder than I have seen

    by suddenlyhats

    No wonder they embargoed the review. Feel free to rearrange the following words cribbed from Harry's review until they make sense to you. "The film hated I. IT HATED. IT REALLY HATED!" - Would someone who was worried about offending WB or Lucas write with such vitriol? The shadow of the banhammer falls upon me...but I'm sticking up for Harry.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    if you see a cop car.. warn a brotha!

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Harry's Bad Review & The Embargo Which Is Attracting Attention T

    by Media Messiah

    I understand Harry's position fully, something I have been calculating and wondering about for sometime now. This industry is ruthless and he has a family to take care of. The reason why I understand, is I'm trying to create a family of my own, and sometimes you have to alter your maverick ways to make a way for those whom you love, which means having to stay silent in unfair situations, and for Harry, this may be one of those very instances. <BR><BR>As for Lucas, he is well aware of what is going on here. I guarantee you, someone close to him most certainly would have advised him of the matter by now, if only a nephew or assistant, etc. These people do not live in a vacuum. Hell, I even know people who know Lucas. One phone call and the embargo would stop, so trust me, Warner isn't acting on its own here...this is coming from Lucas Film in concert with Warner. The problem is, however, by their actions, they are only attracting more unwanted attention to Harry's bad review. Until I heard of this embargo, I never even knew of Harry's posting, but now I do...and so does everyone else who wants, or doesn't want, to know.<BR><BR>This movie will bomb, and clearly, this is the reason why Lucas Film fears early negative reviews, which are hitting the press via internet sites, but trying to hide them only draws people's attention to those very bad reviews...generating bad word of mouth in advance.<BR><BR>Note To Lucas: Hire Joss Whedon to write and direct for you and stop locking out new talent from emerging. I recall, Francis Ford Coppola spotted you on one of his sets admiring him, but too shy to ask for a job. He walked over to you and gave you a job, how about paying it forward by reaching out to new talent outside of your sphere of influence for once, Mr. Lucas??? The "Yes Men" surrounding you are destroying the something wonderful that was Star Wars and you are just standing-by allowing it to happen, like a modern Howard Hughs, prisoner to your fortune, fame, and those in your employ. What a tragic shame ,because those aren't the people who have loved you through the years, nor do they now...it is all of us kids who grew-up loving your creations. We lash-out at you because we want you to listen and see the cliff which you are being led toward, that is why we often attack you with loud and mean words, as no other way of speaking to you seems to be working. Perhaps it is time that we remain silent, and just watch you fall from the cliff that you are so determined to topple from, as it appears the only way that you will learn that, just like the Jedi, you have been betrayed, from within.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    600

    by mrfan

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Turn it on its head

    by penhapus

    Respect the embargo - though it appears you're legally and morally in the clear to write what you want, when you want - and then draw a line in the sand. Refuse any more jollies from WB or Lucasfilm, starve their mediocre projects of oxygen and write what you want when you want. AICN has always been - for me - about what's coming up, the cool stuff that is round the corner; reviews of films that are out there? I can take or leave.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    This may be a stupid question:

    by tomdolan04

    but I can't be bothered to google it: - by 'embargo', it covers the site right? The writers and/or readers? Specifically theres been a tonne of previews that people even in this TB have attended - if they submitted reviews to AICN, presumably they wouldn't be able to publish them due to this situation. <p> If that is the case, then thats something else entirely which I would take issue with (as mentioned I respect the staff for respecting WB due to their position but thats their perogative. By locking out an audience by dictating what views can and cannot be discussed thats something else). If it isn't the case why haven't why seen a tonne of official reader reviews by now? <p> This looks dire. The Force Unleashed however looks like it may have good potential. Agree with the above comments about making a flick about that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Stereotypical Evil Archer & SuperBurgerBat

    by semisaj

    Everyone should read what these two have written, both articulate and accurate and most sane people would agree with everything they have said...yeah you know make some jokes about the site and maybe have little digs at Harry etc but come on its a Fanboy site written by Fanboys..they are us and I doubt we would react any different if we where in the same positions as them.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    This may be a stupid question:

    by tomdolan04

    but I can't be bothered to google it: - by 'embargo', it covers the site right? The writers and/or readers? Specifically theres been a tonne of previews that people even in this TB have attended - if they submitted reviews to AICN, presumably they wouldn't be able to publish them due to this situation. <p> If that is the case, then thats something else entirely which I would take issue with (as mentioned I respect the staff for respecting WB due to their position but thats their perogative. By locking out an audience by dictating what views can and cannot be discussed thats something else). If it isn't the case why haven't why seen a tonne of official reader reviews by now? <p> This looks dire. The Force Unleashed however looks like it may have good potential. Agree with the above comments about making a flick about that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    Memories

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Like the Corners of my mind<br> <br> Misty water-coloured memories, of the way we were.<br> <br> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hdlPhoqnicc

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    JASPER CARROT

    by DIBARAHMAN

    U lot at AICN are just like Jasper Carrot and Ben Elton. Once upon a time u were relevant, funny, and people respected you, but as time has gone by you sold out. Be it for kids, the mortgage, whatever, but now I am sad to say you are just The Corporate Motherfuckers' Bitches. You've lost track of why you started this page in the first place, and now people see you for what you were, and what you have become.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    This is pretty commonplace...

    by JJ Rage

    ...in every review medium on Earth. I've seen it pretty often with video games. Yes, it happens frequently when the publisher/studio etc expect lackluster reviews. But it can also happen when a certain publication has exclusive "first review" rights. But it doesn't matter WHY there was an embargo. AICN had two choices: pull the reviews and stay on WB's good side, or keep the reviews up and be barred from WB press screenings for the next decade. Not to mention the other studios who might not invite AICN to an embargoed screening out of fear that they'd ignore said embargo. Grow up kids, fight a cause that matters.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH GOING ON ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    over a cartoon.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Harry, Moriarty... make a stand.

    by onezeroone

    Why can't AICN take a stand and refuse to acknowledge such embargoes? Rather, refuse to review movies that have such an embargo. You might miss out on some early screenings, but am sure you will win over some Die Hard fans you been losing in recent times. You can always review such movies on release day when you see them in a public screening. And trust me, even if you're late, your word will carry more weight than of the ones who saw it in a press screening but decided to silence themselves. YEAH, embargoes are part of industry and rules of the game... but as someone mentioned, you guys were the MAVERICKS... Be Han Solo or Luke... not one of the faceless nameless Storm Troopers to fill the screen.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    DIBARAHMAN

    by semisaj

    Ha ha ha ha that was brilliant...used to love a bit of Jasper Carrot...and Ben Elton especially that period from The Young Ones to Black Adder Goes. Some of the stuff they come up with during that period has only ever been bettered by Faulty Towers.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by ianlegend

    I want to see the sex Star Wars movies. Fuck Lucas and his cartoons, that is definitely the way to go. Where do I get tickets?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Ben Elton was never relevant

    by 2LeggedFreak

    He was a politically correct smarmy twat right from the get go and possible the smuggest person I have ever had grace my tv screen.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    I'm confused by this

    by Giant Ape Balls

    Empire have already printed a review so why stop people posting them on the internet?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    ianlegend

    by Mr Gorilla

    The sex Star Wars movies are great! You should see them. Mos Eisley turns out to be the proverbial 'dirty port town', and while Solo is shooting Greedo, you get to see Chewbacca rut some whore round the back of the cantina Meanwhile Jabba, as you probably guessed, is a card-carrying Burlesque fan, and there's a lot more of that funny dancing.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    2leggedfreak you is wrong mofo

    by DIBARAHMAN

    ben elton was relevant. check out what he did in the 80s' onwards. my point though, is people will look back on AICN, and think what a pile of annoying amateur cack ? Did we really read that sheeit ? Just like Mike Myers at the moment. Was he ever funny ? Or was he always piling out bollox like The Love Guru ?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    All I can say is..

    by schnide

    ..what a sad, sorry end to Star Wars and quite possibly AICN as it used to be.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    2leggedfreak

    by semisaj

    You numpty he wrote The young Ones and all The Black Addders so your opinion makes you irrelevant as it is clear you know not of what you speak of. I wonder why AICN are quick to take the reviews down because of corporate pressure and ban members for trying to reprint their reviews but when some asshole comes on and says some of the most Racist, homophobic, sexist, disgusting crap that has become the common norm on this site that these comments are not removed or these members banned...is it something to do with freedom of speech? Then if so I am afraid to say that maybe AICN are a bunch of Hypocrits

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Sorry my spelling and grammar are not relevant today

    by semisaj

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    "You Know, For Kids!"

    by kinanswer

    Granted Mr Lucas has slapped a Star Wars (TM) on anything and everything (bubblegum to tampons) whilst raping my childhood dreams - right in front of me while I cry in the corner of my dark room...sorry, but you won't catch me paying my 10 quid to get in line with a bunch of crying 12-year old brats to see this film (unless 12-year old's are your bag). Sure I'll give the torrent a glance, or may even buy the 12th release of the film when it comes out in 3D-Blue-HD-Media-Chip-Disc in a couple of years time - just so I can have the full set. Boo'urns for blocking the review, but fudge it, it's a kids film. I'm just holding out (Bonnie Tyler stylee) for the 'live action' TV series which Mr Lucas is stepping away from, and then we can all flame...nay napalm the reviews of this.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Ben Elton

    by 2LeggedFreak

    In my view he was a smug middle class opportunist who built a career on Thatcher bashing - hardly the hardest thing to do. <br> <br> Right from the start his fake "ordinary bloke" accent and his cosying up to wimmin should have been a dead give away of how fake his act really was.<br> <br> Maybe he made some valid points and was sometimes funny, but this guy was establishment from the get go.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    zzzzzzzzzzzzz...........

    by rben

    had to be said.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Review embargos...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Um, this isn't a rare case. Why do you think we were offered opinions of Where The Wild Things Are or Pineapple Express, rather than straight up reviews? Most big film press screenings have stipulations as to when the review is allowed to go to press. The reviewers on this very site have mentioned them time and again. This just seems to be somewhat selectively enforced, and I can imagine a film that has bad word of mouth spreading wanting to enforce it, as opposed to one thats getting great early reviews, like Dark Knight.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    geebus

    by only1

    when did AICN talkbackers get to be such whiney bitches? Oh... wait... yeah. Look, when AICN started up, yes, Harry & Co could afford to say 'SCREW THE WORLD!' but now it is a completely different story. Back then, AICN was little more than a pet project, a labor of love by movie lovers. today it is a business, it is the livelihood of the fine people that report here. Today, they need their connections to support the site and continue to use this as a job... otherwise, it may just wind up being Harry KNowles-Target employee who occasionally blogs about movies... and that doesn't sound fun at all. I wouldn't say the movie ads here on the site are a 'conflict of interest' rather than the business side of things. To keep this going as a source of income and allowing the staff to dedicate more time to this, they need those ads to support themselves. Granted, perhaps they should hire a 'business manager' or someone else who controls the ads so that a reviewer isn't selling the space... but, for all we know that may just be the case. ......... ........ ....... Look at the reviews here and tell me they have changed dramatically from the first days of the site. You can't. They are still heartfelt, emotionally driven reviews. We get stories of how it made the reviewer feel, connecting it to something else in their life, or, should it be a remake or a sequal or pop culture iconography such as Star Wars, parallels to our own childhood if we are in the same age range as the reviewers. Most of the reviewers aren't afraid to let curse words flow and to be non-PC in the way the react and describe things. Funny me, I always thought that set AICN apart in the first place. most reviewers, be it newspaper,(professional) blogger, website, etc take a very clinical approach to their reviews, critical of the acting, the performance, the writing, the directorship, etc in a very "I graduated film school and know how this SHOULD be" way. We don't get that from AICN... never have and never will. Yes, they do look at acting, and directorship and all that stuff... but they look at it from a movie fans perspective.. and that's why it works. So, Harry liked Indiana Jones. So what? People call him a schill. I know people who liked it and they don't write reviews for a living. So Harry liked the Broderick Godzilla flick... so what? I liked it. It was mindless fun. .... All I know is the talkbackers here do nothing but exacerbate the negative stereotypes talkbackers have. There was an embargoe on reviews. Yes, other sites/sources have run their reviews. So what.. tehy may face punishment for doing so. Remember Episode I? All the embargoes etc for that flick? If a store sold any toys before 12:01 the day they were scheduled, Lucas was going to pull any and all toys, both present and future (and especailly SW related) from that entire chain. Wal*Mart, notorious for breaking street dates, had some pretty high security making sure no one even SAW the toys, as I recall. This is how business is done. If you don't like it, start your own site, ignore embargoes and see how long your website lasts... and how popular it gets.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Moriarty:

    by heyscot

    I just want you guys to post the clip of Master Blaster saying "Embargo lifted!" when you post your reviews.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    George Lucas Raped My Childhood

    by Pageiv

    Actually I enjoyed the prequals, but all of you out there still crying, "SW ended with Jedi." "I've been crying in my room since 1999." Really need a life, maybe if you had a life for 20 years and didnt sit around getting stoned thinking about how you would've made the prequals you've wouldn't have been let down. Like the man said, if I remeber the quote, "It's as if I painted a car green and someone is upset because he wanted it red, it's my car." That it is. I have major issues with the prequals, but there are major issues with Jedi, and though not as good as IV or V I-III are as good as VI. Flame on.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    The sound! The fury!

    by Abominable Snowcone

    EMBARGO! Coming to theatres everywhere this summer! EMBARGO!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Just saw that kloipy was here

    by Abominable Snowcone

    AWESOME!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Jumped The Shark / Nuked The Fridge / Embargoed The Review

    by LaserPants

    All of these phrases are fine ways to express a marked decline in quality.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Other reviews are out there...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...in Empire and on the BBC News website. Did WB specifically embargo an online review from AICN? If so that is shocking. Embargo or no embargo of said review, this will be not do well at the box office. It looks cheap and non Star Wars fans will be scratching their heads going "he turned into Darth Vader already, what is this?" I hope it tanks just to humble George Luca$, although not sure anything would...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    I think it's come down to regardless if it's good or not...

    by Drafthouse_Slave

    ... if it has "Star Wars" in it's title, the Talkbacks will be 99% negative. I, like everyone else, had issues with the Prequels, BUT we still got the Prequels that Lucas always said they would be. We still got the greatest Lightsaber duel on Screen (Anakin v. Obi-Wan on a Volcanic Planet!) we got our Clones, we saw Palpatine come to Power and we saw The Twins be born and sent to their hiding places. Sorry but those were the plot points that needed to be met by myself and a great number of fans. The ticket sales, the DVD sales and the Cable ratings speak for themselves. for the small minority here who get pissed at Lucas in these talkbacks, there's Millions of people outside of here that LOVE what he's done and are waiting with baited breath for the Clone Wars. Lucas said from the get go that the Prequels were not the second coming and to expect as much is setting yourself up for a disappointment. I went into each film with LOW expectations and I was not disappointed. Sure Jake Lloyd sucked, Sure Jar Jar was off putting (I actually didn't mind him. It was likely the early word he was horrible). Sure Hayden was stiff in AOTC, but he loosened up in SITH. The duels were great. The effects were seemless (and anyone who says different is an idiot with ZERO experience with such things. The Mummy Movies and Van Helsing are CRAP effect, done by ILM... shows their effects budgets were LOW). Just stop for a second, realize that everytime you say "Lucas destroyed my Childhood" that you sound like a fucking moron.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    When will George learn....

    by screamster101

    You can't keep regurgitating this fucking story!!! Get some new fuckin' ideas George!!! Nobody wants to hear a story that's been told over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... Oh yeah, xmas special... and over again.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    MediaMessiah

    by kwisatzhaderach

    'Note To Lucas: Hire Joss Whedon to write and direct for you' - WTF are you talking about? When Whedon makes anything in the least bit comparable to THX 1138, American Graffiti or Star Wars give us a call.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Only1...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...I agree for the most part. However, it was BETTER when it was Harry Knowles, Target employee. Better for the fans, but obviously minimum wage don't pay for lap band surgery. Mourn the once great site, and sit back and wait for the successor. Meanwhile, see how far you can push things before Jack Nance gets you banned. How have the reviews changed? Their reviews of major release upcoming movies. There used to be a bucketload more rough cut screenings. Which is why most people came here. Maybe the studios are getting better at controlling those leaks, or perhaps people are just less interested in reading them or writing them. Also Only1, you seem to miss the point that the site BECAME popular by ignoring embargoes and such. Being banned from the ranch wasn't such a worry back then, I guess. Its time someone took an Apache Gunship to Warner Brothers and settled this embargo dispute once and for all.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST

    So, they've gotten to YOU too!

    by Sithdan

    They're here already! You're NEXT! YOU'RE NEXT!!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    it wasn't YOUR childhood

    by zom-bot.com

    speilberg and lucas pretty much MADE everyone's childhood, lucas is only destroying his own empire, of which we made him king.<P>he's not destroying your childhood, your childhood is still there. he's just totally destroying his own legacy by this point.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Doesn't destroy anything for me...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...I own and enjoy the original trilogy, and some of the other shit, like the ewok movies and Droids, crap like that. I've seen each of the prequals once, didn't like them at all, and having seen bits and pieces, I'd rather get cat aids then sit through either pile of shit clone wars.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    by Denty420

    I got the chance to read both Harry and Massarym's (sp?) reviews before they were removed and frankly nothing surprised me in the least. Lucas should just leave it alone. Not only because he's run out of ideas and taken SW as far as it can possibly go, but also because whatever new SW material emerges in the future, negative reviews will automatically follow. <br> <br> Star Wars is dead.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, time to move on

    by La Frog

    No one cares about this ugly cartoon anyway. WB don't want reviews to appear because obviously the film is crap. End of the story. What I notice is that weeks after weeks, Moriarty becomes more and more bitter when answering talkbackers. Fencing your way out of those accusations of being a sell-out must certainly be annoying , I'll grant you that. But when you start to feel condescending and sometimes at the limit of insulting your readers (true, most of those talkbackers are silly), well obviously, it's time to move on and do something else. otherwise the bitterness really translates as a bit pathetic you know. I'm sure film criticism will survive your departure towards more creative activities. Peace.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Hey Black Boxers, isn't this the site...

    by Iowa Snot Client

    that posted Harry Knowles' review of the Episode II "early cut," i.e., the one he saw on a laptop in a hotel room, "convinced that agents of Lucasfilm were going to knock down the doors"?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    What amazes me...

    by DiamondJoe

    ...isn't just the bitching from some of the pansy-assed wankers here; its the realization that there are still people in the world who actually care about another Star Wars film! Almost as though Lucas hadn't spent the last ten years taking a prolonged shit over the entire franchise. Fucking hell, people - when will you learn not to give Lucasfilm any more of your money? I piss on anyone who thinks they can defend any of Lucas's highly polished digital turds, including the normally sane AICN reviewers who failed to slam Crystal Skull.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    - kwisatzhaderach -

    by Uridium

    QUOTE "'Note To Lucas: Hire Joss Whedon to write and direct for you' - WTF are you talking about? When Whedon makes anything in the least bit comparable to THX 1138, American Graffiti or Star Wars give us a call." ---- HAHAHHA.... THX 1138 - 1971, American Graffiti - 1973, Star Wars - 1977.... maybe you can tell me the last time Lucas made anything comparable to these too... then you can start bashing Whedon.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I don't think there's any....

    by D o o d

    suspicious activity here except by WB. They obviously how much this is going to suck at screenings and just don't want anyone reporting it before it hits the screenings, thus reducing the impact it has. To be honest any new Star Wars project has to be approached with idea that it will be crap.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    BRINGSEXYBACK

    by JAGUART

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Oh I thought they removed the review ....

    by m_prevette

    Because it was a poorly written piece of shit...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    smells like urine and ass in here

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm gonna move a few rows back and a few seats away.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    This film NEEDS to BOMB...Lucas needs to get the message.

    by FleshMachine

    that his artistic decisions are not at all very good. how i wish they were. I can't think of any other movie/band/author/politician etc that has fallen so far as Star Wars. From 3 of the greatest films every made..to 3 of the worst.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I would...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...But I don't want Winston Smith wielding his digital eraser on me.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    article worth reading

    by zom-bot.com

    let's see if this post disappears <P> http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/harry_knowles.htm

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    MORIARTY!

    by FleshMachine

    that is a good question that was asked above: What was the point of the screening? Why advance screen to journalists if they can't write about it until everyone else has had a chance too see it anyway? whats the point?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    hechtal.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Two cents.<P>You don't have the right to post here. You have the privilege. And since AICN is a privately owned website, that privilege can be revoked at any time.<P>The next time you walk into a bar, try calling the bartender a "hack" while questioning his personal/professional motives in front of the other patrons. Then try counting the number of seconds you last in that bar before you get your ass thrown out on the street.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    This is the first time I've ever seen

    by smackfu

    a group of people complaining about a review being taken away from them of all things. You guys are pretty weird. Does anyone here have plans on having the review professionally mounted and put on display in your livingroom? C'mon, hands up...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Film websites...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...used to be outside the Hollywood machine. Magazines like the Hollywood Reporter and Empire are so gushing about fucking EVERYTHING in their previews/interviews and reviews is because they are part of the system what with film advertising etc. I am not talking about being positive about films, but having journalistic integrity and report on things with an object stance. It seems that online films sites seem to be going the same way. Now I am not commenting on this embargo/Yawn Wars nonsense, but the fact that years and years ago, sites like AICN used to be outside the system, reporting on scripts that leaked, using reports from those who had seen previews and having the guts to tear down films like "Batman and Robin", also seeing potential in films like "Titanic".

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Quick Question

    by knobjockey

    Two things: 1 - How many people on this thread slagging The Clone Wars off have actually seen it and not just jumping on the easy bandwagon of attacking LFL products? 2 - Embargo. Wierd, my TCW review went up on my site and another affiliate site yesterday and WB seem more than happy with it, No mention of embargo or dates we can post, nothing at all. Any thoughts?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Also, it's an intresting look at an internet phenomenon

    by smackfu

    where people rise up to make these grandiose, dramatic, martyr-ish statements and lectures about something they can't possibly actually care about. For a brief moment on the internet, Harry's review of a cartoon was the tank at Tiananmen Square and you were the chinese guy bravely standing there, a lone here on a world of injustice, speaking your mind consquences be damned. "You guys used to MEAN something MAN!...sob..."

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    I've Seen it....

    by D o o d

    And it truly is terrible. I mean forget about the story etc. They didn't even get the lip synching correct. The Animations are substandard. It looks less next gen than most video games out there and this thing is pre-rendered. Very disappointing. I think most people are complaining about the integrity and right write a review after viewing, if not then why show it..!! Rediculous situation.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Weird that they'd bother holding reviews...

    by atalcot

    considering this isn't even a real movie, it's a TV pilot that they figured they could make some extra cash from because it has "Star Wars" in the title.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    You are Atticus Finch

    by smackfu

    And Harry's missing review is poor Tom Robinson. You are Tom Cruise, Harry is Jack Nicholson, and goddamn it, you want the TRUTH. You're Henry Fonda and Harry is Lee J Cobb. Amirite?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Does Lucasfilm own AICN?

    by Smashing

    "if you repost Harry’s review in the talkbacks, you will be banned. No warning. No appeal" I thought we defeated fascism last century?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    It's been said many, many times above.

    by Rando Calrisian

    Most studios hold press screenings early and have embarbos in place for reviews. That is why movie reviews generally are printed on the day of release in news papers. It used to be, you wouldn't see any reviews of movies until that Friday when the film you've been looking forward to for months was finally released. <br> <br> Embargos aren't new - it's just that with the advent of the Internet, the studios couldn't really stop every online outlet from posting them up early, so they let a lot of it slip by - especially when the reviews are good. <br> <br> We all know, if Harry and Massa's reviews had been gushing positive reviews, the embargos wouldn't have been enforced. TDK was probably also embargoed, but why would WB stop those reviews for hitting? Hypocritical? Absofuckinglutlely. <br> <br> It will be interesting to see if Warner Bros now takes a sronger stance against all future early reviews for AICN and other online outlets. They made an unfortunate decision to force AICN to remove these reviews, because now that this is so blown out of proportion, it will cause more damage to the film than if they had said nothing at all. <br> <br> The biggest mistake AICN made was allowing Massa's review to go up right after Harry's review was yanked - and then leaving it up for half the day yesterday. <br> <br> But it's a new day, and who really cares?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    If the site doesn't mean anything smackfu...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Why do you bother reading and contributing the talkbacks? Why not do something meaningful with your time?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I think Mori gets it. . .

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    I mean, lets all just think about this. It's like bitching about your favorite tv shows' creators taking the show in a direction you don't agree with. You can bitch and complain about it all you want, but its not your vision. You're just a tourist. This is the same scenario. All the talkbackers on here bitching about AICN honoring the Clone Wars embargo can bitch all they want to and continue to do so louder and more harshly because its an anonymous forum, but at the end of the day all their talking is for nothing because this isn't their sandbox. They're just tourists here. We all KNOW that AICN hated The Clone Wars (mostly) so whats the real problem here? That AICN isn't living up to some sort of "rebel yell" standard that some of the readers think they should live up to? Fine. Go somewhere else then.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Just read Harry's review...

    by GaiustheBrave

    which I will not be quoting. But, "sigh", if Harry hates it...at least if he had liked it there would always be the chance of a silly popcorn movie to be entertained with. I'll wait for Mori's. For those complaining, get over it. They let us see the reviews, anyway! Yes, they took them down under pressure, but they still put them up in the first place. That's worth something.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    What's happened to AICN?

    by afraidoffans

    I find it ironic that a website which achieved its huge success by reporting on movie news and reviews BEFORE the studios wanted them to now backs down when the studios say so. Would the Batman & Robin review had been taken down if the studiso asked? Not at the time no but now it seems the money, fame and opportunities AICN provides Harry and Co are too much to risk upsetting the masters they now serve. Maybe in this instance they don't want to ruin the potential of any future visits to the Skywalker ranch?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    SPOILER

    by EriamJH

    Anakin IS Darth Vader. The End. The love affair with SW is over, as with anything Mr. Lucas revisits.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    re: afraidoffans

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    You're a jackass for making an issue of this. They all fucking hated the movie. They said it. We've all read it. If they "served the masters," as you so tritely put it, wouldn't they back the movie?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Much Aboo About Nothing.

    by Snookeroo

    heh.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    hectal, you're wrong.

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    Frankly, AICN doesn't NEED you. They're not privileged to have you as a reader. You're just one of the idiot mob who thinks their opinion matters. And Mori didn't talk down to you, he talked over you and it just pisses you off that they can do what they want here and you can't.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    It's not backing down...

    by Wee Willie

    If they don't respect the embargo, then they won't be invited to any other screenings. Don't get all up on AICN because they're playing ball. It's called being a grown-up.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    The idiot mob pays the bills...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...So they do need Hectal and Co. Just like they need the features to pull in the idiot mob, and to do that they have to play nice with the studios. Which is why you don't see Harry and Moriarty responding to the bleating of the idiot masses with words similar to yours, even though I'm sure they'd like to.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    WB & Lucasfilm

    by Rando Calrisian

    WB and Lucasfilm will still make a small fortune on this "movie" from people that will see it no matter what Harry's review says or when it's posted. <br> <br> Warner's and Lucasfilm will make enough from this shady release to pay for this entire series of toy advertisments. <br> <br> I will go see Tropic Thunder and sneak into this. WB got enough cash out of me for TDK - and Lucas got my cash from the VHS, LaserDisc, and DVD releases of SW - he gets none for this - that should really hurt him, eh?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    hechtal

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's fine. You can disagree but you'll be wrong.<P>Quote: "I'm not privleged to write here..."<P>Um, yes you are.<P>Quote: "...AICN is priviliged to have visitors."<P>I agree with this portion of your statement. Yes, AICN is privileged to have visitors. Just like any other business, it's the lifeblood of their income and purpose. But, that doesn't mean they can't refuse your business.<P>Quote: "...it won't break my heart to find out cool news from non-sellouts."<P>Somehow, I don't think that anyone will care.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    wtf ever

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    Harry and Mori could post a column devoted to calling you all the douchebags that you are and it wouldn't affect the readership on the site one bit. No one would go anywhere. Hell, they'd probably get MORE popular.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    An industry full of pussies

    by alienindisguise

    is all hollywood is.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    hechtal

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Regarding Moriarty - if you're going to throw personal barbs at him (or any of the other AICN Mods) or call-out his professional integrity, then you had better be prepared for him to defend himself. That's really a no-brainer.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    hechtal

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    I just don't see how it matters. First of all, free speech means nothing here. Nothing. You have no 'rights' here. This is someone else's arena. You don't like it, go start your own site and that can be your arena. The internet is a public arena for sure, but don't think site owners can't censor you. . . . Second, consider it from a business perspective. How can AICN best serve their readership? By pissing off the studios and not having access to movies in advance to review? Or to OPENLY express their disatisfaction with the film AND still honor the embargo? I just don't see how they sold out on this. If anything, they've acted to please both the (ungrateful) readership and the studios both.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    You are right about that Richard...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...In fact, as far as the time killing exercise that AICN goes, its at its most entertaining when the "reviewers" don't offer their opinions on films, rather do something embarassing that talkbackers can bitch and argue about for days. Shit, its the only reason to visit AICN. The news is old, the articles are embarassing, but the talkbacks, especially the angry nerd variety, are funny as fuck. Whenever something like scriptgirl or Gone or Harry being a hypocrite pops up, its worth logging in here, rather than reading real reviews and interviews over at the av club or trolling with idiots over at something awful.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Trailer Sayz It All

    by maxcadyuk

    Cripes aplenty. Well two. First; why set it between eps 2 & 3*? People want to see Vader! Second; soundtrack is ripoff of eps 1. So no attempt at originality here. *The promising bit is maybe they'll be another animated movie between 3 and 4 with our man Vader in more agile sabre fights than is possible in live action pictures.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Uridium

    by kwisatzhaderach

    No, you're wrong. Because Whedon has never and will never make anything as good as THX, Graffiti or Star Wars. He hasn't got it in him. THX alone has an understanding of visual composition and sound design light years beyond Whedon's TV on the big screen approach. Lucas is a gifted filmmaker. One day he'll shock us all, when he moves away from his fixation on Star Wars.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    You still don't get it

    by The Funketeer

    I don't think anyone really cares that you guys took the reviews down or that it was a negative review. It's that it came so soon after Harry's immature and uninformed "freedom of speech" rant. The situations are almost identical. You can claim that WB or Lucas could sue your for posting a review earlier than they'd like but if you didn't sign anything and the invitation didn't mention the embargo then we all know that's not going to happen. The real reason the reviews were taken down is that you're worried about not being invited to any other press screenings (also something I doubt would happen). WB asking you not to post a review is pretty similar to a group of concerned citizens asking to have what they consider to be an offensive word removed from a movie. The only difference is, Harry took his review down and as far as we know, retard will still make an appearance in Tropic Thunder.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    It will be a shock if Lucas can...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Make a watchable movie again. Its only been 30 fucking years.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegative Bitch

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I hear what you're saying. But you just have to listen to Lucas talking to realise he knows his shit. Listen to the audio commentary over the lightsabre battle between Dooku and Anakin in Clones where Anakin slashes the power cables. Illuminating.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Richard Mayhew

    by Die_Hardest

    Do you realize that two of your three comments sound like the opening paragraphs of a fascist manifesto?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Its illuminating to the fact...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...That he cant write nor direct nor even conceive an interesting idea anymore. Hes gone. Lost it. Dude is like Paul McCartney. Not to slag on him, when he was firing he was the man, but its clear to see there is not a shred of ability left. Theres nothing in any of the prequals or creative decisions hes made since the end of Jedi thats any good. Sure, hes not going to embarass himself too horribly, but managing average, rather than terrible, isn't something to be excited about.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Also, must ask...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...If he knows what hes doing, then how come with infinite resources, time and creative freedom, he can't muster up a single interesting scene. Let alone an entire movie?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    My guess for its opening weekend?

    by Mr Gorilla

    $25 million. A good haul, considering that all this is is a very expensive ad for a TV series.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Lucas Doesn't Own AICN, He PWNED AICN

    by LaserPants

    Which is usually what happens when IMMENSE WEALTH clashes with craven shills desperately clinging to hollywood's teet.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    LOUD NOISES!!!

    by Dragon108

    Its just a website guys. Really think some people should...ya know....shut up.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    ribbitking... go get some air.

    by modern_lovers

    deep breaths... ok, you're blowing things out of proportion. count to ten... you're doing great...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Relax, they'll all go up to Lucasfilm....

    by irrelevntelefant

    and have a good laugh at all of this while they circle jerk into a bonfire of jar-jar plush dolls.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    fascist manifesto? Die Hardest. . .

    by Richard Richard Mayhew

    seriously? You're calling me a fascist because I'm giving you an accurate state of affairs. I'm not really sure if I should be offended by that or not. Give me a reason - ANY REASON at all - why you think you should have an 100% uncensored voice here?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Hechtal

    by Die_Hardest

    Now here is where I disagree. It doesn't bother me at all that Moriarty uses this site as a part of his resume. He's done some excellent writing on this site, and I personally thought that Cigarette Burns was a decent script. I don't fault Moriarty for following his dreams. There is sometimes a tinge of arrogance, like y'know when they say the star of a single A ballteam acts "major league." So yeah I kind of get the "aren't you so jealous of me?" vibe from aicn sometimes. Which is a shame. Don't get me wrong, I'm no player hater. When I hear tell someone has been successful in their pursuits my automatic response is happy. I think what causes the animosity that the staff so often complains about is the suggestion that their life is somehow more full than the people who read and talkback. The losers in their parents basements stereotype. Don't get me wrong I love this site, but what I used to love most about it was that it was geeks running a site for geeks, and there was genuine feedback among equals. I don't think it's treated that way anymore, as evidenced by this article, by anytime Moriarty condescends in a talkback, and by apologists like Mayhew in here.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Wasn'titcool.com

    by biggles2_22

    nuff said

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    JJ's Superman script was fucking awesome

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    So he changed the mythos.....good. The mythos needs to change or we just get rehash of the same old shit with Superman picking up cars and shit. Fuck that. Lets try something new.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    AICN - Revenge of the Geeks

    by afraidoffans

    Okay everyone's picked the corner they are going to fight and no-one's going to back down but be lets' be totally brutally honest here. At the time when Batman & Robin came out would Harry have pulled the review if the studios asked him to delay it until the movie came out? Be honest with yourself...you know he'd have said F YOU! and kept it online. No one comes to AICN for scoops anymore. They haven't for a while. They get scoops far quicker and written far better on other sites. They come here because it's funny. It's funny to see the badly written reviews full of Amazon links and poor attempts to sound passionate about the subject but let's face it, you can only have so many favourite movies, genres and movies which made you do a sex wee when you were growing up. It's funny to see Harry and Moriarty and co continue to sell out one tiny piece of their soul at a time and it's even funnier to see them try to justify it. It's funny to look through the talkbacks and watch the readers explode like in this one. Let's face it if this site didn't have talkback it would have died a long time ago, people love bitching about everything, especially about this site and the people who run it. Harry and his minions have been laughing all the way to the bank watching us keep this site going! Basically this site is funny, it's entertaining and worth coming back for that alone. I've ignored it for years, the last time I joined in was when Harry posted his two Armageddon reviews...I think that was the first slippery step tbh. No what irked me this time enough to comment (even though it means nothing really, just another post to bitch over) is Harry's recent freedom of speech rant followed by this. Then there's the article telling fans to stop getting worked up and believing rumours about the next Batman movie and telling us to calm down and not believe such stuff! Cheeky gits, this site has been posting such unconfirmed rumours for years, they practically live of it these days because they can't get much in the way of legitimate stuff as studio insiders would rather go to other websites! AICN sold out years ago and they've been pwned by Lucas. You can like Harry or not, you can choose to defend him or not but it won't change these facts.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    This is a hysterical thread

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for the laughs guys

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    relax mayhew

    by Die_Hardest

    That was mostly hyperbole, but I think I just gave some reasons in the post I just made.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    modern - nice try

    by ribbitking

    You can't match mori's condescension level ...not even close.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    What new Star Wars movie?

    by Crash11578

    I saw the trailer for this a few weeks ago...and it stunk up the theater like a dinner full of brocolli and pinto beans. I don't need a review to tell me this is a Lucas pickpocket attempt at a few more dollars from the fans who made him rich. This is not a story that needed to be told. What's next? The wacky adventures of Yoda in college? Princess Leia, Alderaan Girl? I hope this movie bombs hard.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by smackfu

    Um. Generally, I come here to read news about the industry. The reviews are more of a general curiosity, I don't give them much weight, especially considering that some contributers (*cough*Herc*cough) have absolutely TERRIBLE taste. Holding back reviews and info at the request of the people that gave it to you is a professional courtesy that is utterly commonplace and mentioned frequently here. <br><br>You may have noticed that almost every single Sopranos/Lost/Heroes/Wire preview that has appeared here in the past few years begins with 'we're only allowed to tell you a few things, highlight for invisotext...' No one was up on the soapbox about freedom of press/speech then... <br><br>Also you people may have noticed that the creators of Journeyman asked these guys to sit on info for more than 6 months and they honored it. No one was screaming 'sellout' then. <br><br> The ONLY difference about this situation, is the order in which events occurred. Let me ask you, in any AICN's Sopranos previews, if they had broken their word and posted spoilers for say the series finale, what do you think would have happened? HBO would have made a big fuss, asked them to remove it, threatened to never trust AICN again with sneak previews, and then it probably would have been removed until airdate. <br><br>The ONLY thing that went wrong here is for once Harry breached the agreement to not post his review until the movie opened. An agreement he's made hundreds of times without you whiny freaks getting sand in your vaginas.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I really hope this film tanks...

    by knowthyself

    ...not because of any of this review crap. But because they are passing off a tv show premiere as a movie. Its a total rip off. Just trying to grab more cash from Star Wars fans. Please everyone...don't see this "movie." Wait until they show it on TV.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    An affront to decency!!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    I guess my bottom line is this...

    by smackfu

    Why is it that you people see no problem with the non-disclosure agreements, as long as Harry actually FOLLOWS them and doesn't disclose until he's allowed to? Doesn't that seem weird to you, that when he keeps his word and doesn't disclose, it's not a freedom of speech issue, but when he breaks his word, discloses, then goes back to honoring his initial agreement, it's suddenly an issue? Your anger is simply a failure of logic on your part. Sorry.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    If it's on a beautiful girl, you just wanna lick it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    AICN needs to stay INSIDE the industry.

    by knowthyself

    How else can we get our early reviews? You people are so stupid. You have no idea how the real world works do you?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I'M WAR TORN ON THIS ISSUE

    by BringingSexyBack

    On the one hand, one side has a point. On the other hand, the other side has a point. I can't take this shit anymore.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    A Modest Proposal

    by A_Banned_Apart

    Some people are mad, some are just looking to move on. There's only one way to bring peace to the warzone, Harry: Ban every last one of us. Kick everybody off the site. It's easy enough to select a new username and rejoin. The people who want to come back *will* come back. The folks who don't want to, won't. It's a clean slate for everyone. Morning in America.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    I know I'm in trouble

    by Die_Hardest

    Because my point was just put far more succinctly by a man named SkullFuck.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes,

    by irrelevntelefant

    no one likes it when a stranger fucks with theirs...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes.

    by Die_Hardest

    You think it's gonna be fun, but then in the middle of it you realize she poops out of there.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Mori's Attitude

    by TheDiscoPlumber

    You're out of line Moriarty. People wouldn't have been that upset about the embargo if you're attitude hadn't been so shitty. This whole "you will be banned. No warning. No appeal" nonsense was the wrong way to go with it. Why not just ask us nicely not to link to it. When the few bad apples decide to rebel and link to it anyway, THEN you give THEM attitude... not the whole goddamn talkback community. You stink Mori. I weep for the future of AICN.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    smack person

    by afraidoffans

    This has nothing to do with not posting spoilers about Sopranos or Journeyman. Wrong argumenta and different planet you are on.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    opinions are like assholes

    by zom-bot.com

    they are for venting shit and rarely let anything else in.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes.

    by ironic_name

    they all stink

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes.

    by ironic_name

    if some loser wants post his on aicn, everyone looks elsewhere.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    So how about an update that says

    by ArcadianDS

    "I attended a screening of Clone Wars, but agreed to an embargo on any comments on that film until it is released. I agreed to this in order to see the movie sooner than anyone else instead of waiting for the non-embargoed screenings scheduled for later in the week - all out of my own selfishness and lack of any concern for you, the readers who impress our ads and pay our bills. Thank you, that is all.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    wait what will i do now?

    by hey...jonboy

    i cant seem to find a clone wars review. that must mean that it is good or perhaps even great!see you all at 1201am friday.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like assholes.

    by ironic_name

    who gives a shit

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Embargoes - a fact of life ! Get used to it !!

    by RobinP

    Hey, RobinP here, haven't been around in a while, but there ya go. Here I am. Let's look at embargoes. In my day job, I am a website editor and I handle news (real news). Some times we have news and comments to upload before they can become public knowledge. We have to abide by this or our asses are kicked up somewhere beyond our shoulderblades. This would be exactly the same scenario. Now in my evenings, I write for a popular horror magazine and AGAIN we're hit with embargoed content. The implied threat being that if we run a story about a movie before the studios are happy...we get no more info or co-operation from them. So we have to swallow. It's short term reining in for long term good. It's a common practice that we in the communication industry have to live with. Get used to it - we've had to !

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    WB has gone...

    by Kid Z

    ..."full retard"!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like @ssholes.

    by ironic_name

    they review comics

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    hechtal

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Wow. Moriarty IS a member of the industry. In fact, I believe he's posted his credentials before. The fact that you don't like his body of work is subjective. But god forbid that someone actually try to make a living doing what they love to do, right?<P>And Richard Richard Mayhew's post is correct in his assessment of your "rights" here. You may need to familiarize yourself on owning and/or running a business and what it means to provide a public forum such as this.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    My "PREVIEW" of The Clone Wars...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Not a review. A Preview. Which is a first impression based on clips and trailers and media bits...It looks absolute fucking garbage.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    bad + bad + bad = bad

    by Samus Aran

    Well it doesn't take a genius to put the puzzle pieces together to figure out if this is a good movie or not. Harry HATES this movie (which he doesn't ussually admit to unless it is completely undeniable), Massywyrm hates this movie, The movie people don't want anyone reviewing this movie until the day of release which basically is the first day that they can't stop reviewers from giving nasty reviews. Well it all adds up to a terrible movie that nobody with any sense should be going to see. We don't need to see their actual words describing how bad the movie is to figure this one out- this is three thumbs down.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Feels best when they're tight.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    thanks to firefox, i embargo your ads

    by ArcadianDS

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    What The Embargo Tells Us Is That The Movie Is Really Bad

    by LaserPants

    AICN's compliance tells us that they're basically a part of the industry and as such have to play by the rules of that industry. <br><br>I don't see that as anything to be upset about, because, really, I don't care about any illusion of "journalistic integrity" this site is alleged to have had at one time in that blurry soft focus halcycon time of the late 90s. I come to AICN to vent, praise, and make with the funny. I'm actually more interested in the grand mal stupidity of it than anything else. And make no mistake, AICN has ALWAYS been about the funny and the bickering amongst obsessive socially retarded weirdos. I never took the reviews seriously. Oh. also, I like that they provide links to stuff... some of which I hadn't even seen 3 or 4 days prior!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by LaserPants

    They are often filled with poopy.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like Assholes

    by irrelevntelefant

    Dingleberries like to cling to them

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Way to suck it Moriarty!

    by namasteandgoodluck

    At least the header for the review is still there, so AICN didn't totally bitch out. You do keep the lube nearby though, don't you Moriarty? Journalistic integrity? Nada. Fucking ads for movies being reviewed shows a huge bias, dontcha think? One doesn't bite the hand that feeds and for you to deny that you don't enjoy the perks and freebies is a lie. This site doesn't even have entertainment industry news anymore; items are hardly news once they've been posted to 8 other sites and AICN doesn't post it for days. Take Bernie Macs death for instance...scriptgirls bullshit was posted before anything remotely newsworthy was. And as for a review of Clone Wars, I'll tell you all about it. It's a huge piece of excrement splattered on theater screens everywhere. It's called "Lucas gotta eat". It's more of the SW Marketing Machine. It's not the saga we grew up with anymore, it's a means for keeping ILM bankrolled. It's just about $$$. There is no love for the story or SW universe. There you have it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Well Mr Nice Gaius

    by Die_Hardest

    I guess I'm an absolutist when it comes to free speech. Either you believe in it or you don't.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Die_Hardest

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, absolutely. We all hold to the belief that we have the freedom to say whatever we want without fear of prosecution. However, the flipside to that freedom is when someone else exercises their right to say, "Not in my joint!"<P>Do you understand this distinction?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    RobinP Re Embargos

    by afraidoffans

    Your website and your magazine may have to rely on the industry dictating when you may publish and when you may not but AICN never used to. This is the point. AICN practically invented insider movie scoops and reviews on the internet BEFORE the industry dictated it. It's obvious now AICN are so scared of losing the money and the access they have to the industry they have to bow down to their masters just like everyone else does. It's a pity as AICN used to be all about 'power to the geek' and not bowing down to the man. I think that's why some are so upset about this latest reversal in AICN policy.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    They should be a major part of any foreplay. Start out gently.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Opinions are like Assholes

    by irrelevntelefant

    my girlfriend doesn't let me have input in either

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    In the immortal words of Steve Langford

    by DaBUU

    Who gives a shit, who gives a fuck!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Something the mooks don't seem to understand...

    by DougMcKenzie

    First to the incredibly dumb shites that bring up the old "How can they fairly review xxx movie when it is advertised on this site... wah wah wah". Well open up your other critics, be it newspaper, TV, radio what ever it don't matter. But they all have the exact same ads for the same movies right next to them as well. Any ad buyer in the world would be fall off the stump stupid to not associate his product with places where people curious about said product venture to. SO GET FRIGGIN REAL ALREADY ABOUT THE ADS! Second most of you fail to realize that by posting "We do have the clone reviews and they are bad" that mori has completely circumvented the embargo and given a big f.u. to the WB here. The reviews aren't up, but Mori has a a nice big link about the reviews, followed by an explanation of how panty-twisted WB is about them. As well as providing a TB for people to discuss how bad the reviews were. Just about anybody strolling in is going to be aware of what is going on with the movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    EMBARGOES ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Warner Bros. has a ton of them. <p> heheheheeheeee!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by asitfalls

    I think what AIC did by pulling the reviews was admirable, remember kids it's all fun and games until litigation! If you really feel like the review needs to be "read" then make it into a torrent and distribute it! If no one has the balls to do that and take the blame off of AICN then STFU.....

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT IRRELEVANT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Does you let you play with the taint at least?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Taint Play

    by DaBUU

    Also very important!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Actually, I've always thought AICNs biggest shilling..

    by Lemming

    is courtesy of Herc and his massive seemingly endless and probably indiscriminate Amazon link list to all those DVDs. It's appalling!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    RIP Richard Brooks

    by Darth Busey

    You took one for the team. You will be remembered.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    It's ok BSB, my wife does (ba-dum-bum)

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Taint it Cool News

    by irrelevntelefant

    Bringing you the kinda smelly news that happens between Twats and Assholes!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    GOOD ONE IRRELEVNTELEFANT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Or should I say, John Edwards!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    OOOPS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Not to imply your wife is sick or anything. Sorry, I wasn't thinking as usual.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin was Warner Bros.

    by brock landers baby

    And it was critical reviews BEFORE it came out that destroyed it. AICN was built on that kind of power,how pathetic it seems today. Very sad indeed.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    AICN battling for its integrity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by standundermyumbrella

    Aintitcool battling for its integrity Small site takes risk - > gets big - > stops taking risks - > risks audience Heartfelt response - but does it show the detachment from the community? For the internet watchers out there, especially the movie buffs among you, there is a fascinating argument going on over at movie site aintitcool.com – which perhaps marks the moment when a once subversive, funny and non-conformist site finally found itself at odds with its readership for becoming too successful and therefore mainstream. The summary of what happens revolves around a Harry Knowles review of the Star Wars animated film The Clone Wars – which was posted and then taken down, prompting talk of a conspiracy. One of the site's best know writers Moriarty penned an abrasive and, perhaps unwise response to the community's angry reaction explaining that the review had been pulled because it was under embargo, and if they ran it they would find their access to previews of films restricted by the film industry. Aintitcool, of course, was created by using moles and rumour to get movie news (that was often under embargo) to its readers first. Keeping 'the man' happy But times change and what once was a site that fed off of the scraps and flourished, is now growing fat on the movie industry itself – and the threat of the industry removing its seat from the table is now big enough that the site will risk its relationship with its very readership in order to keep 'the man' happy. Let's get this straight – Moriarty's response is honest and heart-felt and it makes a lot of sense to a site that needs advertisers and access to movies to flourish. But will it survive if it continues to piss off its readership by being seen as more beholden to the industry than their desire for knowledge? As commenter Cedar-room says in the comments to Moriarty's piece: "The question is now - do you just not give a shit anymore about telling the truth? Do you prefer to live inside the studios pockets or is the shit they are threatening you with so damn apocalyptic that posting those reviews just ain't worth it? In all seriousness - the entire credibility of AICN hangs on this very question. So can you please explain?" www.techradar.com

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    How the mighty AICN has fallen --

    by Spacesheik

    Ive been here since 1996 or so when you guys used do rough cuts and expose claptrap like BATMAN AND ROBIN etc - flashforward 12 years later and you guys are respecting studio instructions not to review CLONE WARS and i am stupefied and dissapointed - and the tragedy is its a piece of shit lucas high comedy star wars milking-the-cash-cow animated thingie. what the hell happened to you guys.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Merrick sucks.

    by wraith777

    He is the worst writer on this site, since he has joined quality has gone down, down, down. Please take him off as a full time contributing writer.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Mori, what happend to free speech?

    by sim

    I agree with you that clone wars isn't worth all the sound and fury. I've seen it, it's bad. period. But what IS worthy of a lot of sound and fury is the fact that you practically admitted, that this site has turned itself into a studio bitch. It is exactly that kind of thinking of the media that allowed AICN's success story. I'm a film reviewer myself, so I do know how the game is played and that especially Warner Bros. can be a major pain in the ass. Call me an idealistic, naive jerk, but I'd like to believe in freedom of the press. Every once in a while the studios try to push the envelope on how far they can go to shit on this freedom. And sometimes it's up to the writers to slap the studio's fingers when they go to far. How about ignoring the next movie they embargo you on? This site is successfull, so you have a certain power. Use it!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Gaius

    by Die_Hardest

    I certainly do. But why provide the medium if all opinions including that of dissenters is not welcome? It's one thing to say "you can't stand in my store and talk about 'the jews'" and quite another to say "you can say whatever you want in this forum that i'm providing, unless i don't like it and then you're banned." Sure it's legal, but that don't make it fair. Do you see the distinction?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    ABOUT THAT TECHRADAR ARTICLE ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    Gimme a break I sure deserve it, it's time I take it to the top!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    So...

    by loafroaster

    Empire can post a lukewarm review, and you can't? Please explain.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    6.) OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    You forgot that one.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    There is a disturbance on this site...

    by DeadPanWalking

    Those actions were taken out of fear. Fear leads to hatred. Hatred leads to death.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    BSB, no worries

    by irrelevntelefant

    my wife is "sick", but in the good way... that's why she married me

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    speaking of reviews written by retards

    by irrelevntelefant

    they have yet to post my "Pineapple Express" review (completely baked edition). <P> it has all the nonsensical ramblings about shit not even related to the movie we AICN TBer's have come to love. <P> of course it may be because I goof on Mori in it... he is a sensitive soul

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I've only been here for four years...

    by mefrog

    ...because I'm probably younger than all of you. So perhaps I was never able to witness some of the extradorinary leaks and whatnott that AICN had granted back in the '90s. But i do remember still having loads of cool news and nowhere near the amount of outrage and childish flaming and whining on the talkbacks.<br> <br> If there's on thing I think REALLY needs to be fixed here, it's the amount of fucking complaining that gets done. Really. This talkback is 100% pathetic. Yes, I think that Moriarty was being harsh and a little obnoxious in his post above. Yeah, I think it's a little uncool that AICN follows a Star Wars embargo though really don't give a shit that much. Yeah, there seems to be a rise in the amount of articles I really don't care one bit for rise up lately but still... all of that WILDLY pales in comparison to the amount of childish pathetic whining that most of you have contributed to - especially this year.<br> <br> Will I still come to AICN? Of course. I'm not gonna leave the site because I think there's been an unfair banning or two or AICN has followed an embargo on a movie I never gave a shit about (or even if it was one I did). But it's almost not worth it to read these talkbacks anymore, which is a shame. I want intelligent movie discussions that don't evolve into flame wars, and those are few and far between these days.<br> <br> Oh, and I wouldn't mind a layout clean-up, either. Harry, why have you never done one? I mean, it's easy to sharpen and clean up everything while still maintaining the classic feel. And the Talkback system is YEARS old, too.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Star Wars is essentially for kids in 2008

    by MolaRambo

    as it was for kids in 1977. Nothing has changed only those of that grew up with the movies and we STILL have those movies to go back to time and time again. There has been no raping of childhood, no direct intention from Lucas to destroy your memories but Lucas wanted to tell the story of Anakin and his fall. He did. It wasn't what the older generation wanted but could our expectations really ever be met? If ANH was released today as a brand new film, would we still love it? I don't think so. We'd be as critical on Lucas as we are on the name McG. Star Wars is special to us all in many ways and I have young nephews who are 6,8 and 10 and they LOVE the prequals. They want to be entertained and that is essentially what Lucas has done. He has crafted 3, admittedly, flawed movies but they still blow the minds of the younger children of today. Yes, Jar Jar was a terrible character but if we were seeing Chewie for the first time now, we'd all fucking laugh. I have ZERO interest in The Clone Wars movie and it's because I feel the prequal milking has pushed this story to the limit and I wasn't impressed by the cartoon either. I think it'a a childrens movie designed for, ahem, KIDS!. I think an awful lot of people need to grow up and stop taking what Lucas chooses to do with his creation so seriously. Just a thought.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Their hands are tied...

    by Alkeoholic77

    and there is nothing they can do about it. Get over it and move on. I would happily sacrifice reviews for this movie so I can get hundreds more in the future. Besides how many of you haters are going to see this one on opening day anyway? Most of you just want to read people tear it apart so you can complain about it and I think that could wait about three days.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    HARRY AND MORI, PLEASE READ!!!!

    by irrelevntelefant

    I like chocolate... a lot<p> that is all

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    mefrog, try using the "search" feature

    by irrelevntelefant

    it's retarded...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Again Mori, use the force! True story inside:

    by sim

    Once upon a time I worked for a magazine not nearly as big as AICN in comparison and a new Tom Cruise movie was about to be released. I asked the press rep for the date of the press screening. As it turned out, this date was way to late for me to put the planned two page review in the magazine. So the press rep suggested I just write only one page and put a lot of pictures on it, so I don't have to go into the details to much. I told the good man that in that case I will rather ignore the movie altogether. No good review, no bad review, just nothing. Again, the magazine I worked for is not that big and I thought to myself that they won't give a shit wether I write something or not. Next thing I know I was sitting in a screening the next day along with five or six other reviewers who work for very big newspapers. Maybe AICN shoul ask itsef where it stands. Clearly, some of it's readers asking that question...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    800!!!! (almost)

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Not AintItCool's fault

    by hipnosismag

    I'm really not understanding why some of the readers are blaming the site for not being able to post their reviews (which they want people to read) because of the embargo. Obviously its not their fault, its WB's...so why blame them? Maybe you think the site can work in a vacuum without press releases, press preview showings, and cooperation from the studios, but that just shows your lack of intelligence by blaming the site for the embargo. Obviously the studio wants everyone to spend their $10 to find out the movie sucks. They don't want people reading a bad review and deciding to not spent the money. As a rule of thumb, I usually avoid films that don't want it reviewed before it goes to the screens. If the studios do not have any confidence in the film, then I'm sure as hell not going to shell out any money to make them rich. So, if you kids with computers want to take your aggression out on someone, picket the film or write a nasty letter to WB. And screw Lucas...he has proved time and time again that he could care less about his fans. I for one am not going to see this in the theater....maybe I'll rent it from Netflix later on.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    all I want to know is, did it suck a bag of dicks or not?

    by irrelevntelefant

    oh wait, it did.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Hooray beer!

    by Darth Macchio

    I had this long manifesto to write and just decided to slam some beer cans against my head instead. NO! There go the piano lessons! SHIT! I feel much better now! Awesome possum mo'dossum! When does Transformers come out? Will it be animated using those new Cray supercomputers (like in Last Starfigher) or by hand with paint and stuff? I heard its going to be between the Autobots, the Decepticons, the USA, and the Soviet Union all taking place on the M-O-O-N? And what's this hoopla over prequels? What the hell is a prequel? I'd guess something that comes before a quel but I don't know what the hell a quel is and my dictionary isn't speaking to me at the moment.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    As the cock reaches the bowel

    by performingmonkey

    People giving rimjobs left right and fucking centre. OK, that's what the industry's all about, but you'd think that wouldn't reach certain quarters. Fuck. Drew is right though, all this fuss over a piece-of-shit pointless CG animation of something we've already seen over and over again. GIVE US THE FUCKING LIVE ACTION SERIES. That live action series is all I care about.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I don't even understand the flaws in the search feature

    by mefrog

    Like... I can't even begin to describe what's wrong with it, other than it seems like in randomly generates topics that may or may not be related to your search.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    EMBARGO = MOVIE SUCKS

    by Bill Clay

    Jeez, the only movies that get embargoed until opening day are pieces of shit that the studios KNOW will tank if people hear how bad they are. Usually the teen slasher movies are embargoed, with the studios hoping they make enough money in the first weekend before everyone hears how awful they are. Is this how far Lucas has sunk, treating the latest Star Wars on the same level of Halloween XXIV ?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    AICN should've said "screw the embargo".

    by rev_skarekroe

    The consequences be damned. No more early reviewer screenings? No more set visits? No more exclusives? Good. Get the site back to its roots as an underground info source. Rumors, secret pics, spy reviews, etc. The stuff that made this place what it was to start with.<p>As for Clone Wars, I don't give a rat's ass. We've seen Anakin's fall to evil and his redemption. The Star Wars story is over.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles "Reviews"

    by MolaRambo

    95% a diatribe on how his bowels moved during a 1978 saturday morning cartoon about an animated moose who reminded him of the of the guy in (INSERT WHATEVER HUGE MOVIE IS OUT NOW) and 5% actually review. It happens constantly!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    I remember when this site was cool.

    by eXcommunicated

    Does anyone remember when this site would post actual spy reports and leaked shit and would post reviews and pictures as a big "fuck you" to the studios? Yeah, well now they fancy themselves as "insiders". Oh well, it was bound to happen. Corporations own us all, so why not AICN?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles "Reviews"

    by MolaRambo

    95% a diatribe on how his bowels moved during a 1978 saturday morning cartoon about an animated moose who reminded him of the of the guy in (INSERT WHATEVER HUGE MOVIE IS OUT NOW) and 5% actually review. It happens constantly!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    afraidoffans

    by smackfu

    Actually they're the exact same situation, both the withheld spoilers and withheld reviews are an understanding between AICN staff and the people supplying them with advanced screening that they are not to divulge certain info until a certain date, agreed upon by both parties. In one case it's spoilers, in the other it's a review. Harry was shown something in advance under the agreement that he wouldn't write about it until the release date, and he broke the agreement. Also, I'm not sure if this is the case here but many of these 'agreements' made involve the people viewing the screening to sign a non-disclosure agreement. If Harry did this, then him leaving the review up would actually put him in legal trouble. So...pissing off a few whiny little children vs losing his preview privilages (which are the sites bread and butter) and possible legal trouble....yeah, sorry bud. You're just not that important, you can wait until friday to read the review.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Who...

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    run...

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Bartertown?

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Say louder!

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Want foot in face?

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    You suckers wish you could...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...make a movie as good as Clone Wars and swim in a vast pile of money as George Lucas does every single minute of his life.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Oh, and FYI this is not a free speech issue.

    by rev_skarekroe

    As a few people have tried to say. If the government wanted to remove AICN review, THEN it would be a free speech issue.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    MASTER BLASTER Runs Bartertown!

    by LaserPants

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    "If you think it can be done better, start your own fucking site

    by eXcommunicated

    "If you think it can be done better, start your own fucking site" <p> <p> Yeaah, lol... Same thing fanbois say when their favorite movie is getting slammed up the ass. "Let's see if YOU can make a better movie! nyuk nyuk!" <p> <p> Y'know, I'm not entirely unsympathetic to AICN here. I was once part of an online organization where we were the "outsiders" sticking it to "the man". Then eventually The Man realized if they couldn't beat us, convert us. That's what happens. Every single time.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    ccrunr87

    by MolaRambo

    I love AICN but I make it a point only to read MORI and QUINT as they are actual "Reviews" that focus on the movie. Harry tends to go off on a tangent and all I want to read about is the movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Methane cometh from pigshit....

    by Darth Macchio

    ...tell you what...if Lucas continues to try to stack the deck legit or not....his productions will end up being bland, wooden, and without soul...<p><p><p>oh...wait...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    I had an affair with an ewok...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...it was during my presidential campaign. I don't think it is mine though...far too hairy.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I will laugh if DARK KNIGHT beats CLONE WARS this weekend

    by SpyGuy

    Yeah, it's trading one Warner Brothers movie for another, but what better way to show your support for quality flicks than having a Week Five DARK KNIGHT beat CLONE WARS on its opening weekend?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Posting same thing several times in a row...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...is great isn't it? Don't you just love those talkbackers who do so? We need more talkbackers like that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Ribbitking

    by Slaphappy Slim

    Seriously, you are mighty precious about yourself, aren't you? And astonishingly thin-skinned to let Mori's so-called "condescension" get under your skin to such a degree. The more you whine about it like a little bitch, the more convinced I am you deserve to be condescended to every minute of your life, you pathetic fucking baby.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    The problem with criticism of Harry ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... a la that eFilmCritic thing or even the old Film Threat thing is they are putting rules in place that Harry never really claimed to follow, then bashing him for following them. <p>I mean, all these ethical and journalistic transgressions they ascribe to him seem very misguided to me. I never saw this as a proper journalistic site - how could anyone? It's a place you take with a grain of salt and as long as they are up front about it - and God knows Harry has been with his public requests for gifts and whatnot - I really don't care. <p>Actually more than that, I think Harry or whomever should do whatever they want, as long as there is no pretense that this is a formal, journalistic site. Which in general, I'd say there isn't. It's a fun, enthusiastic, sometimes informative, but most of the time community-driven place. For the most part I think AICN fills its singular role very well. Sure, there have been some iffy things, but most of them - like unexplained mass bannings *ahem* - are unfortunately a part of internet life. Doesn't excuse it but it's nothing unique to this site.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Mori you are wrong

    by MGTHEDJ

    You have relationships with certain producers. Who makes the shows "Masters of Horror?" (Viacom/CBS/Paramount.) And the show "Fear Itself?" (NBC UNIVERSAL.) You are a working writer in HOLLYWOOD! Time Warner is a serious player. Just be honest man. It's really no different than the fact some people cannot state their honest opinion about McCain or Obama because of who they work with in an office. They are having to keep their mouth shut until Nov. 5. Your initial statement was good enough. Now just let this die down.-----later-----m

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Black people do it better in bed because they have all that time

    by For_The_Love_of_God

    U can't rush greatness...mediocrity needs time, too. I had a pretty popular website years ago. I was blessed with huge natural tits which was a a godsend because U geeks tend to aim at the tits first which is what most classy women like myself want and then when I know U are shooting air I safely open my mouth and look at U like U had your chance. This situation isn't all that different. Christ, Harry looks like a rose - Moriarty looks like a hose - and I sound like a second rate boxer with my third rate prose. Holla. I was an original, dammit. I discovered Vern. I was also the first person to clone a french person from a horse's ass. Moriarty is not a bastard. I am pretty sure he has a mother somewhere although granted she is probably in hiding. Your rapidly becoming the Natalie Maines of aint it cool. Don't seperate yourself from your core audience even if you don't like your core audience. They love you and RESPECT you. U are not afforded the same amount of stupidity they are.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    i just come here for the buffalo wings....

    by irrelevntelefant

    oh wait, that's hooters...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    RAPED CHILDHOODS, BOO-HOO

    by Slaphappy Slim

    I love every one of you morons on this site that can't cop to the fact that every single criticism (other than Jar Jar) of the prequels can easily be applied to the original trilogy. Bad acting? Check. Godawful dialogue? Check. Plot holes big enough to drive a semi through? Check. I'd respect all of the Lucas hate here if it had any basis in logical consistency, but of course that's too much to expect. Fucking lemmings. I guarantee at least half of you who claim to hate the prequels so much do so only to maintain your "geek cred" on a site like this.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    actual slappy, I maintain my geek cred by

    by irrelevntelefant

    spanking it to manga and hating on Tarantino...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Die_Hardest & hechtal

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The medium is provided to discuss the topic of film/TV/etc and the various sub-topics they touch upon. By doing so, it creates a forum for discussion and generally good-natured Geekitude. However, some Talkbackers have taken it upon themselves to do nothing but flame, bitch, incite, and vomit hatred upon the site and its hosts at every available opportunity. For some bizarre reason, they seem to think that AICN owes them something and/or choose to use the site as some sort of personal platform and playground. This is where the Mods have their limits for what is acceptable.<P>I believe I said this in one of the review TBs: it really says something about Harry & Co. that they allow so much of what goes on in Talkback to continue unabated. These boards are some of the least moderated forums I'm aware of on the web. AICN Talkbackers are often left to police their own here. Now, I've seen both Harry and Moriarty post fairly straightforward explanations for what criteria they use when deciding to bring down the Ban Hammer (threats, racism/sexism/bigotry, multi-post spam, overt and obvious trollishness, the posting of personal information, unwarranted personal attacks, etc.). But it's also obvious that they are not watching the TBs every minute of every day like some other moderated boards. Therefore, we have these instances where racial remarks and the like are left unaddressed. However, once the Mods have been made aware, they do sweep in and take care of business. And you're kidding yourself if you don't think they are within their rights to defend themselves or remove you for abusing their boards.<P>I'm not making any apologies for the site here. I think I'm being pretty dry about the reality here. I just think that in lieu of the recent ScriptGirl and Embargo! controversies, people have lost a little perspective about what they are (or aren't) entitled to here.<P>Cheers.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    slaphappy - whose pet are you?

    by ribbitking

    who is thin skinned? i didn't resort to calling people little bitches... did i offend your respect for AICN?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Damn.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's a lot of "here"s in that last paragraph...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    irelevntelefant

    by Slaphappy Slim

    Now yer talkin'

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    one final thought.....

    by brassai2003

    IS there anything else to say? No? THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP. really. What else is there?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    ribbitking

    by Slaphappy Slim

    I pet myself, thank you. You don't offend me, you just fill me with condescension and pity. Why? Because you're making a big fucking deal out of exactly fucking nothing. Period. And deep down inside, you know it. Call me a little bitch any time.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Officially irrelevant

    by Darth_BaIIs

    is what this site has become. The first review that I ever read on AICN was the Attack of the Clones review that Harry put up several months before the movie was even released. The buzz about this site back then was huge. Flash forward to 2008, and it is obvious that Hollywood has assimilated AICN. They now play by hte same rules as everybody else, or they won't "get invited to the screenings." Boo Hoo. Evole. Move on. AICN, make yourself relevant again!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Seriously Moriarty? No worries, from me at least.

    by Sylvia Simon

    My lazy ass hasn't even seen The Dark Knight yet. I'm ashamed, yes. So a review posted _on a date the producers wish it_ is fine by me. Totally makes sense to work within the system sometimes. Then again, in the interest of self-disclosure I've done it myownself, so maybe I'm just a biased little bee-yatch.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    DARK KNIGHT viewership totals?

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    I can honestly say that I've seen it 3 times and am doing my part in the war against Titanic. What about you guys?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Boycott this piece of shit! See The Dark Knight again instead

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    That's a movie worth supporting. Let's sink the Titanic once more, and show Lucas and his fellow cocksucking whores who can't say no to him, that we are more than just mindless drones that buy any shit thrown at us that has Star Wars written on it. Show the studios that their shameless cashing in on our beloved movies won't cut it anymore. Shameless cashing in on our beloved movies won't cut it anymore. Making a great fucking movie like The Dark Knight is the only way to go.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    You go mainstream ...

    by DennisMM

    and you get power and cool prizes ... press access, early screenings, even private time with folks who like you. This doesn't have to come from a concerted effort on your part. Your little site can quietly creep into the back of Hollywood's mind to the point where you are considered important, or you can whore yourself out to the people who made the films you loved in your childhood (the one they eventually will rape). Either way, being thought significant yields power and fun. If you have power and fun, do you want to lose them? Fuck, no! It takes more than nobility or purity of spirit to walk away from the bennies of the "new entertainment journalism." It takes a willingness to be shoved back to the end of the line when it comes to access. And without access you're nothing but a rumor site again. Here endeth the lesson, self-righteous fans.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    E=mBarg-O

    by Kenobi-fan

    Would it be wrong to note as follows: The following review was removed because of the potential, I stress potential, for the movie being reviewd to be slammed due it sucking beyond normal expectations. Thank you for cooperation. Have a nice day!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Now this is what I don't understand.

    by Die_Hardest

    See, I love this website. I check it nearly everyday. While Harry is obviously no English Major I think there's a certain charm to his enthusiasm. I don't always agree with him. Sometimes I think his opinion is comically, uh, let's say, different from my own. But I love everything Vern writes. I think Quint does some of the best interviews in the entire frickin industry, and Moriarty is a damn good film critic. So I don't understand why people say they hate the reviews or the content of this site. Everything I've said in this talkback I consider a type of Patriotic Dissent. So I do want to publically distance myself from the trolls who are saying things like "oh I hate this site, why even come here the reviews suck blah blah yadda cock." Because I do not hate this site, I want this site to be as good as it can possibly be.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    lol

    by slkboxrman

    lemme see if i get this straight, u retarded fan boys need someone else to tell u if a movie is good enuf to spend your hard earned allowance from mommy and daddy on, instead of the internet porn or the newest game from gamestop...wow u people really are lame..u dont need harry or moriarity or anyone else to tell u, u all know u decided the moment u saw the trailer and the endless commercials on tv whether u were going to see it...get over it...and really ...any grown man that needs another grown mans opinion on a movie to decide if its worth it should really just cut his testicles off right now....who cares if the review comes out the day the movie opens ? so u go to the movie the next day or whatever ...shows what pussified fanboys u are that u have to be there the first day the movie opens so u MUST have ur review in hand, printed out for all ur geek buddies as proof..and i bet most of u people saying the movie will suck because there is no review are probably sitting in front of ur puter right now in nothing but a jedi robe, ur fake light saber is prob the closest thing u have to a penis...crying that AICN has not reviewed ur precious movie...internet porn cannot quell ur sadness, maybe suicide can,....try it..i especially love the part about the AICN talkers that think they are celebrities because they post on every talkback because they have no lives....u should get banned just for being ignorant, cynical, and for having such meaningless lives that u have to post that much...this is harrys site, his career, etc...whats ur excuse ? anyone that takes movies, TV, and other works of fiction so seriously should kill themselves, or in fanboyspeak "self-terminate" or medicate urself(not herbally), find a fucking girlfriend...jesus....

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    And as far as integrity goes.

    by Die_Hardest

    I'm from Boston, lifelong Sox fan. We have an ownership group that is, well, less traditional than maybe the owners of a storied franchise should be. Over the past 10 years they've added seats to Fenway, including on top of the Sacred Green Monster, added a mascot, held "dress in red days" even started a fan club in which fans can pay for the chance to purchase special offers. They call it "Red Sox Nation" perhaps you've heard of it. This "Red Sox Nation" has turned into a nationwide attempt at bandwagoning as many non-fans as possible, thereby turning a profit so that they can continue to sign good free agents to 100million dollar contracts and whatnot. So I decided I'll deal with this stuff, but to a point. The second that I see somebody waving a towel at a Red Sox game I'm out. Done. That's it. No more baseball for me. I love the Red Sox. I love them much more than this site. But I could not in good conscience root for a team that became that commercialized, unproud, and acted like a damn expansion team. It's alright, it hasn't happened yet and it probably won't happen. I have a similar mark for AICN though. The second they post gossip, I'm done. I would consider that a compromise of integrity. I think people who do thoroughly hate this site should get lost though.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Kwisatzhaderach: You Are Right, And You Are Wrong!!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Lucas has directed 3 great movies, THX-1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars...that's it. And at the time he met Francis Ford Coppola he hadn't done any of that, hence my Pay It Forward Comments!!!!<BR><BR>Now, if you want a quick tour of Whedon's best work, I refer you to "The Body" the greatest episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer and arguably one of the best hours on television ever, one that should have been nonimated for, and won an Emmy. Buffy's sister Dawn finds her way to their mother who has died. There in the autopsy room, alone...she stares blankly, tears in her eyes. Buffy enters the room and comfort's Dawn, assuring her that their mother is gone. Dawn reaches out to their mother's lifeless face with her hand, and, voice quivering, she softly says, "Where'd she go?", fade to black...end credits. As well, another truly great demonstration of Joss' work is to be found in "Objects In Space", the last episode of Firefly. When the lead villain asks the ships female mechanic "If she has ever been raped before?", he assures her that if she doesn't help him with his agenda, he will rape her and make it the most unpleasant experience of her life. When Early, the Operative...cooly says that, you know he is telling the truth, and so does the girl. The moment is ugly and horrifying as she falls apart emotionally. Under the gun, she makes her decision, and sells-out the crew, because the other option is unthinkable. Now that is great writing!!!<BR><BR>Time for Lucas to open his house of tricks and allow other filmmakers who are less established to come and play there so they can make their THX-1138s, or their American Graffitis, and their Star Wars', the same way Coppola opened up American Zoetrope for Lucas to come and play many years ago and personally taught him how to write!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    slkboxrman

    by Die_Hardest

    I hope you finished your homework already or your mom's gonna be really mad at you for being on the computer.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Embargo reviews = Boycott the movie

    by onemanarmy

    Someone is obviously afraid of the public hearing about how shitty a movie is to even act like that. As previously mentioned, I don't need a review to tell me that Clone Wars would suck. "Oh no, jedinamehere is in danger!! What will he do?" Who cares...he obviously lives since he's in the next fucking movie (Ep. III). Fuck WB and their shitty cable network, fuck Lucasfilm and their shitty movies, and most of all fuck you cry baby fan boys. Thanks in advance.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Amended--Kwisatzhaderach: You Are Right, And You Are Wrong!!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Lucas has directed 3 great movies, THX-1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars...that's it. And at the time he met Francis Ford Coppola he hadn't done any of that, hence my Pay It Forward Comments!!!! <BR><BR> Now, if you want a quick tour of Whedon's best work, I refer you to "The Body" the greatest episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer and arguably one of the best hours on television ever, one that should have been nonimated for, and won, an Emmy. Buffy's sister Dawn finds her way to their mother who has died. There in the autopsy room, alone...she stares blankly, tears in her eyes. Buffy enters the room and comforts Dawn, assuring her that their mother isn't there anymore (only the shell of her body remaining). Dawn reaches out to their mother's lifeless face with her hand, and, voice quivering, she softly says, "Where'd she go?", fade to black...end credits. As well, another truly great demonstration of Joss' work is to be found in "Objects In Space", the last episode of Firefly. When the episode's villain asks the ship's female mechanic "If she has ever been raped before?", he assures her that if she doesn't help him with his agenda, he will rape her and make it the most unpleasant experience of her life. When Early, the Operative...cooly says that, you know he is telling the truth, and so does the girl. The moment is ugly and horrifying as she falls apart emotionally. Under the gun, she makes her decision, and sells-out the crew, because the other option is unthinkable. Now that is great writing!!! <BR><BR> Time for Lucas to open his house of tricks, and allow other filmmakers who are less established, to come and play there so they can make their own THX-1138s, or their American Graffitis, and their Star Wars', the same way Coppola opened-up the doors of American Zoetrope for Lucas to come and play many years ago, and point of fact, personally taught him how to write!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    die hardest

    by slkboxrman

    obviously hit a nerve huh ? u douche

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Maybe

    by whooooooop

    Maybe WB just wanted everyone to decide, for themselves, what they thought. I know thats a lot to ask these days, what with everyone unable to really form their own opinions.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    slkbxrmn, actually...

    by irrelevntelefant

    my penis is the closest thing to a light saber that I have...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    anals of AICN history!

    by Prossor

    lets hope they had the decency to clean out their sphincters beforehand eh bsb? yeeeeaauuuurgh.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Mostly they come out at night,....mostly.

    by VADER77

    WOW.... how to start... as you can see by my screen name, I'm a big Star Wars fan....NOW, to also start, I'm also a movie fan and, even though I love the Star Wars universe, I can think outside the box when it comes to my take on things. I love the orig. trilogy, love a lot of the books (Zahn's) and the comics (Dark Empire), yes I do collect most of the toys and action figures, but I can also TELL IT LIKE IT IS...... while most of Phantom Menace sucked, it had some good stuff, while Attack of the Clones started kinda slow, after Anakin found his mother, it pretty well was a decent movie after that, and while Revenge of the Sith wasn't great, it was more Star Wars than the other two combined (save for the Frankenstein part at the end).... Now, the Clone Wars cartoon, micro series, Gendy version was pretty damn good, and felt like Star Wars. So what does all this mean, well, most of us hardcore fans were 6-14 year old kids back in '77, and at that age, Star Wars was pretty well the most unbeleivable thing we had ever seen before in our short lives....and as we grew up, Empire just cemented that into a powerful entity to us, but before Jedi came out, those of us at the ages I mentioned wen't through puberty, and/or were just old enough that our views were changing, but we still had a zest for the films, and Ewoks aside, still loved the universe...........THEN, 16 YEARS WENT BYE!!!!!! and sorry for anyone out there, but that WILL change people....... and all of a sudden, when Lucas brings the prequels out, life has kinda skewed how we view everything..... the prequels, at least Phantom Menace, were just too "kid like, or kid friendly" and we just couldn't get into it(especially with Jake Lloyd and Jar-Jar)..... Attack of the Clones comes, and, well, it starts off slow, and really, Hayden just didn't cut the mustard (except for the scene where he destroyed the Tuskens)..... now Revenge was much better, but we still had a sour taste in our mouths and the Frankenstein scene was almost too much to bare.........WHY am I going through all this, well, I still love Star Wars, I don't think Lucas hangs the moon or anything, but he's done some great stuff, some bad stuff too, I am not chomping at the bit too see this Clone Wars, but I am interested.... Mostly what this long assed post was for, was to take out a little of the neagativity that's running through here at the moment, and if you need to blast me, go ahead, I've got broad shoulders, I can handle it....... Now, I'm not condoning what was done about the reviews, I just wanted to get some views of my own out there, and see if anyone agrees with me that, even though the prequels weren't great, maybe we were just older and our views and likes were much too adult to like some PG offered fare, not saying that's the whole of it, but I do think it has something to do with it.........

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    goodbye stormeyes!

    by Prossor

    tick tock tick tock the execution squad is about to arrive at your door pal! i suggest splitting like one of those olympic chicks does during sex.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Harry et al....

    by The Eskimo

    ...I don't know whose decision it was to even post this article, but it was a bad idea. You had to know it would stir the ant bed. As far as the embargo, we all know it sux and it sux for you guys worst of all. But you have to decide if what you do is actual journalism or just reporting. Fine line, but you can't have it both ways. With great power comes...well, you know. Either way I'll continue to be a fan and look forward to the review this Friday.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Holding at 60 percent on Rotten Tomatoes

    by Sithdan

    But I'm sure many more reviews are yet to flood in.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Save me Obi Wan Kenobi, You're My Only Hope

    by ponysystem

    I booked tickets to go and see this on Saturday with my three sons! Bollocks... the wife can take them!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Untainted Cool News

    by Samus Aran

    Months ago I thought about how the reviews on this site are most likely tailored to please the movie making people. This is an interesting approach because the reviewers of this site should not give only glowing reviews because a reccomendation of a terrible movie would quickly destroy any credibility of the reviewers of this site. So The reviewers of this site are stuck somewhat between a rock and a hard place, they need to at least appear honest in their reviews of movies, but they can't be so honest that it pisses off their movie people- otherwise they may not get their early free screenings. So I imagined a website much like Aint It Cool News, but this time the widely known concept of the site would be that movies would ONLY be reviewed on the day of release. The reviewers would then feel free to express their completely untainted oppinion of the movie, and the readers could know almost for sure that there is no reason for the reviewer to be embelishing. Does this sound like something people would like to see?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Apologies if this has been said but...

    by Giario

    ... This isn't really a case of the studios beating AICN but rather a case of the studios beating us. Once upon a time this site did rely on spy reports and location photographs coming from the readership. The studios saw this so they upped their security and privacy and then leaked things themselves to the site. This meant that the site still benefitted from the early glimpses of upcoming movies but that the studios still had control over what was being glimpsed. The fact of the matter is that this site now gets a better quality of product (For lack of a better word) from the studios than any one of us could offer. Thus it benefits AICN to play ball, as well as the readership. It is perfectly within anyone's right to set up their own site and run it how AICN used to be run but given that the studios have wised up to the situation and tightened security and whatnot I can't see a site like that working too well today. By the way The Clone Wars movie looks utterly shit.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    It's Barely in ANY theaters at ALL!

    by whooooooop

    So no one has to worry about seeing it on accident. And it can't do well, because its only in like 4 theaters in the ENTIRE STATE i live it! When i went to get get tickets i realized, that its only an EXTREMELY limited release...glad i got my tickets already!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    It's Barely in ANY theaters at ALL!

    by whooooooop

    So no one has to worry about seeing it on accident. And it can't do well, because its only in like 4 theaters in the ENTIRE STATE i live it! When i went to get get tickets i realized, that its only an EXTREMELY limited release...glad i got my tickets already!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    The director sure is a big tool

    by disfigurehead

    http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20080812/121858253 100.html

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Lucas you bastard

    by ponysystem

    Like everyone (except my Dad) I love Star Wars 4-6. I don't need to tell you why, its obvious. My kids love Star Wars 1-3 for the same reasons I love the originals and we often take the mickey out of each others films. I claim theirs looks like a cgi cartoon with wooden actors, they say mine are boring and the Jedi fights are rubbish. So, Lucas has been an absolute genius because he has secured himself another 20+ years of fan base... I admire that. He could have made 1-3 to please the 30 odd year olds but he didn't he made a 1-3 that captured the imagination of kids the same way 4-6 did for me and everyone else back in the day... that took balls. However, just looking at the trailers for this Clone Wars and reading these reviews and WB's bully boy antics makes me think that now Lucas has betrayed my kids with this inconsistent, OTT, childish bullshit and I for one hate him for that... and his fucking chinless head with lego hair!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    not a problem

    by whooooooop

    I mean its not a problem for me if people want to spend their time dissing something because they're bored, instead of using that energy to create something on their own..NEWSFLASH! EVERYONE on this post is having their time stolen from other things...only to me its fun...because i LOVE the prequil more than the very SLOW old movies...and i'm like almost 45 years old....oh i know... i mean have you tried to watch the originals lately...i mean they really aint all THAT good...though the music is nice....

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Opinions are like @$$holes...

    by Chief Joseph

    ...the homosexuals insist on sharing them.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Well.....

    by the1980mutant

    Who wants to go see a movie that the parent company won't let reviews about it be posted beforehand anyways? I think everyone knew this thing was going to suck way back when they were posting the early cgi. Star Wars is only awesome nowadays playing the video games like Knights of the Old Republic. That's about the only medium that actually caters to the Star Wars fans now. As far as the movies go, ROTJ was the last great thing out of this series. This movie is going to be the nail in the coffin as far as I am concerned.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP!

    by Capt. Murphy

    This feedback is long. I will be seeing this movie one way or the other, my 8 year old is foaming at the mouth for it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    This will be a summer long remembered...

    by Giario

    ... It has seen the death of Indiana Jones and it will soon see the death of Star Wars. Way to go Lucas, you ridiculous cunt.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Only good thing to come out of the prequels

    by Giario

    are those documentaries about the making of them and the only good things about those are the bit in the Phantom Menace one where the assistant director or whatever (Roger Christian is his name I think) says 'That's a wrap' or something and then stands there in a fantastically smug fashion as if everyone is clapping for him (And I believe this prick went on to direct 'Battlefield Earth') and the bit in the AOTC one where that fat pathetic suck up idiot (Rob Coleman is it?) pretends that he is delivering that dreadful Yoda animation to Lucas on purpose whilst fake laughing and seemingly holding back the tears (I may be misremembering it a little but it was certainly cringe-inducingly pathetic). The latter is one of the best things I have ever seen. Imagine being that much of a loser.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    What saddened me about the reviews being removed...

    by loafroaster

    ...is that Harry sounded so emotional, so passionate in his hate for the film...but then removed all that hate and passion, and was willing to forget about it, at the behest of the people who made it happen. I'll never trust another review from him again.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Newsflash, guys:

    by Chief Joseph

    AICN sold out a long time ago. I've come to accept that.<br> Personally I've found the bizarre ScriptGirl bannings more disturbing than the embargo deal.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Embargoed until public release = shit film

    by Mullah Omar

    When you don't want critics to talk about your film until it's already out (or if you don't even bother to screen it to critics), it's usually because you know it's a shitty film. <br> <br> In fact, if somebody here had just posted that info - we can't legally talk about this until the day it's released - I would have been reasonably confident that the film was shit and we'd have all been winners.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Mefrog...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Way to finish your admonishment with a whiny complaint to the owners from the talkback. Jesus.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    i can't take it anymore. I Ice Cream sucks!

    by whooooooop

    Star Wars Sucks! Psyche! Whoo Hooo, i'm so Psyched there's a cool new movie to see! Batman Sucks, Tron Sucks, Ice Cream suck too! only Star Wars is still rockin in the free world! we rule you suck! The score at halftime is one billion to ziro!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    i can't take it anymore. I Ice Cream sucks!

    by whooooooop

    Star Wars Sucks! Psyche! Whoo Hooo, i'm so Psyched there's a cool new movie to see! Batman Sucks, Tron Sucks, Ice Cream suck too! only Star Wars is still rockin in the free world! we rule you suck! The score at halftime is one billion to ziro!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Lonely at the Top?

    by whooooooop

    Huh, George is it lonely at the Top?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Ograbme!

    by Immortal_Fish

    A fair explanation. It's also fair to speculate whether the reviews will be reposted unedited after Friday.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    People who Eat Poop for Breakfast.

    by whooooooop

    Those people and you know who you are, are the people who dont like star wars... you guys all eat poop for Breakfast, WITH the corn in it...and you also smell bad, becuase of all the poop you've been eathing...and also i think you're cute!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    but not TOO cute.

    by whooooooop

    (Its the Poop) anyone for a poop and pee martini? i hope there are some fart jokes in THE CLONE WARS....little Stinky WORK THAT MAGICS!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    but not TOO cute.

    by whooooooop

    (Its the Poop) anyone for a poop and pee martini? i hope there are some fart jokes in THE CLONE WARS....little Stinky WORK THAT MAGICS!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I Think...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I figured out the big problem here. You guys seem to think that we used to break embargoes. Hold on to something cause I'm gonna BLOW YOUR MINDS... <P>... we didn't. Ever. We've never, ever, ever broken embargo intentionally. And here's how that works... <P>... when someone shows you something, they get to set the rules for when you can talk about it. Period. And if they don't show it to you, but you see it anyway, then they can't set an embargo. <P>That's the way it always worked, and the way it still does work. Nothing's changed. We still read scripts early and discuss them. We still publish things the studios would rather we didn't. But it's a game, as it always has been, and the one thing they can control is what you say WHEN THEY SHOW IT TO YOU THEMSELVES. <P>That's an embargo. <P>That's all that happened here. <P>Nothing changed, but by all means, get back to freaking out about it anyway, and a little later this week, when we demonstrate the difference between something that IS embargoed and something that ISN'T embargoed, remember I said this, and then we can talk further.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Speculation.

    by whooooooop

    hmm....i'll have to SPECulate about that.... eeewwww...theres a spec in my poop and pee martini! Alright who wants one? Any bottom feeders out there? Here fishy fishy fishy...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Didnt EP1 start with trade EMBARGOS to Naboo?

    by whooooooop

    i knew this seemed familiar...elusive.... Leggo my EMBARG...LEGGO!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I'm COO-COO for EMB

    by whooooooop

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Don't condesence me, man.

    by SkeletonParty

    I keep thinking Mori is a condescending 20-something from his tone, but then I see pictures of him on ScriptGirl videos and he looks much older. I'm confused.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I'M COO-COO for EMBARGO-PUFFS!

    by whooooooop

    I'M COO-COO for EMBARGO-PUFFS!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    SkeletonParty

    by whooooooop

    NICE NAMES! I'm a long time listener..first time typer. also i'm actually blind and just typing all this by luck if it doesn't make sense..OH I APOLOGIZE. NO i dont I DO i DONT.... Hey lets all get outta here and go get some low calorie nacho substitue!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    ummm......

    by whooooooop

    i just wanted to say that i'm sorry if i hurt anyones feelings...i had a great time today and hope to talk to you all real soon!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    TALKBACKS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    When they're overused, they can get stretched out like this one.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    BIG HUGS all AROUND!

    by whooooooop

    seriously - most cared about movie of all time as indicated by the lengh of talk back... ....THE CLONE WARS?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Lee Marvin didn't give a shit

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    so why should you?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Condescending

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yeah like I said earlier, Moriarty has the facts on his side, but still applies a thick layer of defensiveness and condescension to his posts here. I don't get it.You'd think he's be secure enough not to get into that pissing contest vibe.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    You can win, Tom.

    by SkeletonParty

    Drew could write an explanation that treated the reader as if they might just be curious as to what is going on. Instead, he sounds like we're his naughty little kids. <p>Nothing against his kids.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Moriarty...we gotta talk.

    by thatpeterguy

    I can imagine that it must get irritating having fanboys nitpick at your work for the past however many years you've been with the site, but would it kill you to try to not be so condescending. Harry comes on here and treats it like a good 'ol fashioned revolt and has fun with it while you feel the need to play Daddy with the way you threaten and talk down to some of the readers. It's all very "parental" of you, which I guess makes sense considering where you are at in life, but it's not very "cool" and isn't that supposed to be the whole point of this site?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Master Blaster what?

    by heyscot

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBPZkptvCFs

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    What happened to Uncapie?

    by SkeletonParty

    Is he gone, too?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Talkback Enhancement: Theme Music!

    by br1947

    Since we can't get html enabled (since its too expensive), can we at least get some talkback mood music going? Different ones depending on the mood of the talkback, 'Duel of a Fates' would be a great one for this talkback... Maybe for Harry's reviews we can get a comical tuba melody

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Condescending...

    by drew mcweeny

    .... is not what I am being. "Explanatory." Did I insult you guys in the last post? No. But the word "embargo" is being brutally misused here, and people are jumping to the absurd and (sorry) offensive conclusion that we will never publish anything outside of approved studio materials again. That's just crazy. <P>Sorry if I tried to lighten it up a little. At this point, Bodet's right. There is nothing I could post that would be greeted with anything less than hostility, but here I am, trying to clarify anyway. Even after people have been abusive, hostile, and outright assholes to me for the last few days. Go back and read that last post... I'm not lambasting anyone... I'm just explaining that you've got it wrong if you think "embargo" means we can never talk about anything. It applies to one film. One screening. It's picture by picture, as it's always been. <P>I could take the Harry approach which is to never explain anything at all, but that doesn't work, either. And trust me... short of being prodded with a stick, Harry is loathe to explain a single choice or decision he makes. So if what you really want is for me to never address you guys directly or respond to questions, I guess I can comply. I just think it's really shitty.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    WHO IS THE RETARD WHO STRETCHED THIS COCKFUCKING TALKBACK?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Fucker.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    NOT EVERYONE HATES YOU, DREW

    by BringingSexyBack

    Many of us got your back here amidst this maelstrom of geek rage. If you give me a black box I can manage this ... situation ... more effectively.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Some random points

    by The_Fredo

    1. I wasn't going to watch Clone Wars: The Animated Toy Catalog before and I sure ain't going now. <BR> <BR> 2. Lucas and Lucasfilm have killed their golden goose and now are happy to display the gizzards in hopes that love of the goose will bring us back. <BR> <BR> 3. I don't know nor care how the timeline played out. If Harry knew about the embargo, then he shouldn't have put up the review. If he didn't, it'd probably be a wise move to check before going with it. I hate to say it, but AICN is no longer that renegade little website it was in the mid-to-late 90s.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Mori, thanks for the feedback.

    by SkeletonParty

    I disagree with TomBodet. You can win, or at least not lose, by rising above the tone of the talkbackers and simply stating what is going on. Pretty much like your last post there. <p>Of course, there will always be people who want to stir things up.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    I'm Not...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... slagging Harry! <P>Good lord... I just said he never explains his choices. WHICH HE DOESN'T.

  • I'm presuming, going by the sheer number of reviews already out there, that the previews were hardly for one or two people.<p> <p>So if someone e-mailed an anonymous bad review to AICN from those screening would it be posted or not ?<P> <p>And pardon me but wasn't Harry saying that he didn't KNOW there was an Embargo ? Sort of blows a hole in Mori's "when someone shows you something, they get to set the rules for when you can talk about it. Period." So did Warner or Lucasfilm change their mind days after the screening upon seeing the terrible reviews ?<p> <p>Hey, I was actually becoming pretty bored with all this as at the heart of it is a film that looks like a turdfest but this isn't going to go away if the fancy footwork and condescending posts from on high keep continuing.<p> <p>The site isn't going to shut down and the world isn't going to end because one crap Movie had some terrible reviews pulled at the insistance of the makers, lets at least be honest. It's curious but not earthshattering stuff.<p> <p>It's probably the fact that it involves Lucas (like the Indy 4 Fiasco) keeping it on the boards and causing so much comment.<p> <p>P.S. Why is the screensize expanded in this talkback ? Has someone posted some bizzarre consecutive series of characters or something ? It's pretty annoying.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    MNG for MOD

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "Putting the nice back in Moderation."<P>If you make me a Mod, I promise you, my fellow Talkbackers, I will bust some heads.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Sorry Gus Van Rant...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...but I had to throw my hat into the Black Box ring.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    No Mori! Don't fall for it! A blackbox BSB will end us all!

    by br1947

    First the blackbox, then he eliminates the senate, then the jedi... don't do it!!<br><br>Or if you do, may I offer my humbles services to Lord BringingSexyBack. I'm good with killing jedi children...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    While I agree with TomBodet, I definitely don't think you should stop addressing us kids. In anything, I think you (and those who are willing and able) should do it more.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    "In anything" ?!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Should read, "If anything...". I wish I knew what was going on with my typing skills.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    MNG blackbox would work...

    by br1947

    but he will sleep with all of your women. ALL of them, possibly at the same time. It's a cult thing.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I salute you, Gus Van Rant.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Worthy indeed. May the best Talkbacker win.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    MNG for MOD

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "He'll get you laid in '08!"<P>I'm MNG and I approve this message.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    BR1947

    by BringingSexyBack

    I accept your offer. <p> We will be to these talkbacks what Russia was to Georgia in the past 5 days. We will lay waste to all enemies - guilty or innocent. <p> We will rape asses until the heavens cry. <p> Let the carnage begin. Please, Mori?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    9 out of 10 hot sex cult members prefer MNG

    by br1947

    and the 10th one is lesbian, but still greatly tempted <br><br>MNG '08!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Just read Latino Review's review...

    by The_Fredo

    ...So about that embargo..uh...what up wit dat?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Whos the newb that stretched out the TB

    by Phategod2

    tinyurls people GOSH!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    You may not have broken embargos, Mori, BUT...

    by KCMOSHer

    ...you also didn't need to. In ye olden days, screenings weren't remotely as guarded as they are now. Who got frisked for cell phone cameras in 1997? Oh, wait, they didn't have them. Not even for still images. The world was a more innocent place, and you guys were the corsairs plundering the system while it was still underprotected. Well, that's changed, forever. In order to continue the kind of work you were famous for to -any- extent, you'd -have- to break embargoes. More importantly, you routinely remove content when requested by studios. No muss, no fuss, down it goes. If there's a problem with this, it's threefold: 1. You aren't performing and can never perform to the level you once did when it comes to true scoops and early news. Now, if you read through the early stuff, it appears that the vast majority is studio approved. You're visiting editing bays, sets, etc. Now, you rely on reader content (even if it's from readers who you have a relationship with beyond strangers) for the illicit stuff. Which brings us to #2. #2: You can't afford to break any rules yourselves. There is absolutely no possible danger involved, because there can't be. Why? Because you're part of the system, as I said previously. If you refuse a removal of content request, you can forget content from them in the future. If you break an embargo, you can forget access from them in the future. In the past, this didn't matter, because your content came from outside this system. Now? It'd be an insta-kill on the site. Blacklisting -means- something to you now. And, personally, you and Harry would be potentially hosed considering your personal business in the industry. Which brings us to #3. #3: You're different people. You're older. You have much more at stake. Do I drive as fast as I did when I was 19? Hell no...tickets = traffic school, increased insurance, and fines that need to go towards my rent. With age comes responsibility, and you guys all have that at this point. More to lose means less to risk. You're not entirely wrong. A big chunk of this is expectations that haven't been set. The impression was that you flipped the bird to the system and plundered their stockpiles of movie goodness at will during the early days, which you do NOT seem to be doing now. That's apparently only partially correct, and in this instance you're doing what you have always done...but overall? The element of danger is gone, and we see -way- more 'whoops, gone already, studio requested it be pulled' than we do 'early footage of next epic FUCK YOU STUDIO BASTARDS AHAHAHAHAHA'. You rarely even see the word 'spies' anymore, when that used to be the point of the whole damn site. So, some expectation is unrealistic...and some is all too accurate. I think saying things like 'we NEVER broke embargoes' is an important step in righting those expectations, but you're never going to convince anyone reading AICN that you're who you used to be and keep bringing what you used to bring. Again, not a slam, not an insult, just the simple facts of life. Even Ali got to the point where he couldn't knock everyone down anymore. Doesn't mean he isn't Ali.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    THANKS GUS VAN RANT

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm sending over a tranny prostitute to your house along with an undercover photog so I can discredit you and steal the election.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Wow, what a talkback.

    by DocPazuzu

    I tend to shy away from criticizing AICN most of the time since I figure it’s their website and their rules, as fluid and inconsistent as the latter at times may seem to be. I’ve been coming here since 2001 which means I’ve been a talkbacker for more than half of AICN’s existence. In no way do I have any “rights” as such, nor does AICN have any obligations to me as a talkbacker. The fact that my presence here and the presence of the rest of you here generates income for AICN doesn’t change that fact. <p> I see loads of new usernames here which makes me think that a lot of regs have registered new ones just to voice their opinions and are afraid of getting banned, which is unfortunate, but not unreasonable. <p> If there’s an embargo, fine. I can live with that. What gives me pause, however, is the way this issue is being handled. <p> Maybe I’m dense, but something just isn’t adding up. Others have pointed it out, but it bears repeating: Either there was an embargo or there wasn’t. If there was, then AICN either knew about the embargo before the screening or did not. If they didn’t, then the retraction makes sense. If they did, then it means they decided to deliver a “fuck you” to the studio by publishing the reviews anyway. Their removal would then indicate that AICN caved in during that particular chicken race. If there wasn’t an embargo, and the studio decided to punish AICN after the fact, then it stinks to high heaven. Mori’s post makes it sound like a cut and dried embargo deal, but Harry’s post alludes to shadier and perhaps less wholesome bargains being made. <p> People keep mentioning short term and long term gains. Well, it seems to me that the very fact that there’s an embargo means that the studio fears the potential of AICN readership. No matter how I do the math it seems that AICN is actually holding all the winning cards here. Sure, no more set visits or other perks – but for how long? How long can studios who cater to Geek Nation afford to piss its members off? Is it so far-fetched to think that the studios are hoping that the perceived image of a sell-out website will spread? The results of such an image, true or false, would arguably undermine the site’s legitimacy and its opinion-forming weight. <p> Like I said earlier, it’s not my website and I have no rights as a talkbacker, but I’d like to see this particular inconsistency addressed. I don’t care how ugly the truth might turn out to be, but at least get the story straight. <p> At times I still enjoy the odd review, but the heyday of AICN’s articles seems to be in the rear-view mirror most of the time these days, and are generally conversation starters for the real attraction and what makes AICN unique -- Talkback. Talkback is why I keep returning. Its combination of truly wonderful people, complete fruitcakes as well as wretched scum and villainy is the lifeblood of this site, and I love it dearly. I have a wife, a kid and a decent job but my day still doesn’t feel complete until I’ve checked in on AICN at least once (one of the perks of said job). Nothing would please me more than once again feeling the rush I used to feel all the time when I saw the headers on the front page, but I’ve resigned myself to merely being pleasantly surprised once in a while. As long as talkback, with all its rewards and frustrations, remains as vital as it is, I’ll keep coming back. <p> This whole thing just makes me sad, to be honest. I can’t shake the image of two violent beasts, Lucasfilm and AICN, clawing and biting each other, locked in mortal combat as they both plunge into a pit of integrity-searing lava together – co-dependents to the very end. <p> Say it ain’t so.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    br1947

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I see that you've studied the latest Baltar Poll results. Are you gunning for a cabinet position?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    thanks Phategod2 I thought it was just me for a second

    by G100

    yeah I thought tinyurls were the rule around here ?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES

    by BringingSexyBack

    They need to be wiped out. <p> BSB 08!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    2 great tastes that taste great together

    by WhoDis

    AICN fucking up + STAR WARS! = greatest talkback of all time

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Na, too much responsibilty...

    by br1947

    Now, Chairman of Hot Sex Cult Oversight Committee... that is a position which I would happily fill.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu - Here, here.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well said, sir.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    I want to be appointed Official

    by Phategod2

    Transformer Movie information liason.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    br1947

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'll take that under advisement.<P>There will be a place for everyone under my administration. And everyone gets laid.<P>Vote for MNG in '08!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Lambasting vs Condescending

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... vs splitting hairs, hahaha. Seriously, lambasting or insulting are not necessary for condescension. <p>Granted, tone on the internets is sometimes tough to read but Moriarty's posts have a burdened "oh-I have-to-EXPLAIN-this-shit-to-these turds?" vibe. Maybe it's just tiredness but it definitely at least has some crankiness to it. All I'm saying is - I'd expect a bit more patience and generosity of spirit. Maybe it's healthy though; he doesn't feel so superior that he can't get pissy like a TBer AT TBers ...<p>Damn I can't believe I'm going so in depth about such silliness, but one thing led to another.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well, then you're in luck, my friend. Because in my administration, I plan on creating a position for "Transformer Movie Information Liason". I know of very few Talkbackers who have served so well during the Great TRANSFORMERS Talkback Wars. And you, my friend, would be a prime (PRIME! Get it?!) candidate for such a position.<P>I hope you won't mind the Flames On Box posting privilege though...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    I'LL VOTE FOR YA MNG

    by BringingSexyBack

    You're a standup guy in my book.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    BTW the talkback for Harry's review will be a laugh riot

    by G100

    I think there will need to be good few Moderators watching that one. ;-)<p> <p>I'd also echo DocPazuzu's comments that not everyone hee thinks they have a god given right for explanations or justifications. But the fact that there are seems to be ruffled feathers behind the scenes and "miscommunications" aplenty speaks to this as quite a bit more than out of control hysteria and trolling from the usual talkback sources over a non-issue.<p> <p>I also wonder about the public screenings that were mentioned.<p> <p> Why none from AICN's team or indeed any AICN contact whatsoever has attended and e-mailed a review from a public screening seems a bit unusual too.<p> <p>Again it's just odd not scandalous. but it's those kind of things that add fuel to the fire.<p> <p>Still... there WILL be a huge amount of traffic on the site come Friday so if any staffmember has anything juicy about anything Moviewise, and he wants to get maximum exposure, my bet would be post on Friday.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Harry said...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...He didn't sign shit and wasn't told about any Embargo until later. Strange that they throw up an embargo once he posts what an awful film it is. I'd tell em to get fucked, since they didn't give you anything in advance, so whatever they say is bullshit. Of course, you could all go see Dark Knight, but Warners wins either way.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Also, they tell you not to send anything in...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...After test screenings, but you guys publish them anyway. Why don't they get shitty about that? People pay just as m