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Does THE CLONE WARS suck as bad as the Prequels? Massawyrm says 'ROGER ROGER!'
Hola all. Massawyrm here.
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
life was good and a movie named Star Wars rocked our god damned faces off. But those days are gone, in their place an endless stream of merchandising not meant for the average consumer, but the hyper specialized fan who still to this day must own everything and anything properly branded with the Star Wars logo. The inmates run the asylum now as Lucas long ago stopped listening to his soul as an artist - his heart as a storyteller and has since begun listening to the slavering fanboys who cry themselves to sleep at night with their Darth Vader backpacks clutched close to their chests lest they separate it from their beating hearts. Hes long since stopped working with the geniuses of old, replacing them with young, idealistic artists who revere him as some sort of living Man-God and long to carry on his legacy rather than forging their own. Hes forgotten that the most important duty you have to your fanbase is not to give them what they want but instead to give them what they REALLY want.
Do the fanboys REALLY want a bunch of scenes of characters whose destinies we already know fly through a series of dogfights so their pretty ships can go PEWPEWPEW against lifeless moronic droids so incompetent you question the tenacity of anyone that would put them into service let alone fight a war with an army of them? Do the fanboys REALLY want to spend the next 20 years of their lives arguing that the movies they love dont, in fact, suck the hair off of a nutless monkey? Do the fanboys REALLY want an animated television series not written for 30-year-old men, but easily amused 8 year olds on Saturday morning between bites of soggy Corn Puffs? Because thats what theyre fucking getting with The Clone Wars.
This. Is. Shit-ty.
Everything that was wrong with the prequels is wrong again here. Theres not much reason to dredge out all those complaints again. The Prequels arent actually Star Wars movies. Theyre Fanfic. Bad fanfic that tries to include every element you love about Star Wars without actually using those elements the way they were intended. And while some might argue that it cant be fanfic if the original creator is involved, I would counter that the creator in question died a long time ago. In a galaxy far, far away. As an artist Lucas is entirely bankrupt, no longer able to conjure a single, tangible, original idea. And unlike other artists in his situation, he isnt able to properly recycle the ones he had to begin with either.
No, Star Wars is an ailing, dying beached whale of a property, too large to ignore but left too long in the sun to save. And the stench is unimaginable. So leave it to television writers to sit down and come up with a classic solution to lagging ratings. Their genius booster shot in the arm of suckdom? A plucky tween girl sidekick who keeps getting herself into trouble while being delightfully precocious and calling Anakin
Darth fucking Vader himself
Skyguy. Again. And again. And again. Every time this 14-year-old little monster opens her mouth to say something witty my jaw went slack and my eyes rolled into the back of my skull. Shes unbearable, absolutely excruciating to watch, and yet she finds herself in almost every scene of the film. Shes around so much I half expected her to pop up in scenes with the emperor or the Hutts, just stumbling into frame while saying something cute like Oops, wrong door, or This isnt the shuttle bay.
Seriously, the only way she could be any more annoying is if she added the word MEESA to the beginning of every sentence and BOMBAD to the end of it. You beginning to feel me? I get that they might be working towards a Luke Skywalker type transformation, but that doesnt replace the fact that A) her very presence makes me want to punch the person nearest me in the face repeatedly and B) she will not, ever, play a part in the mythology of the original films
or the fanfic prequel films
at all, unless Lucas goes back in to tinker with them AGAIN. So odds are she will meet a bitter untimely end sometime later in the series, like randomly slamming into an asteroid like the Han Solo clone from Shadows of the Empire. If and when that happens, I MIGHT tune in. If I dont just youtube the scene. Again. And again. And again.
Then theres the unending problem of putting characters in peril that we already know the fates of. Look, George. Having Anakin and Count Dooku have a dual ISNT EXCITING. We already know what happens to Dooku. He died on screen YEARS AGO. We know he doesnt die at the hands of Skywalker. Nor does Skywalker get so much as a scratch from him. We know this already. So why devote so much time to it, unless youre completely out of ide
Oh.
The partys over guys. The only ones left here are the folks who havent realized it yet. Im sure the Star wars fan forums are going to be aflutter with the revelations that Dooku once fought Anakin or that Anakin actually once went back to Tatooine, or that Jabba has an Uncle that - unlike other Hutts - sounds like a bad New Orleans piano player. But for the rest of us? This is just another episode in a long line of attempts to charge you for something you loved as a kid. I mean honestly, how much shit would we be giving Coppola if he had greenlit The Further Adventures of the Corleones? Because thats what this is.
Will I be watching the series? After an hour and a half of being bored to tears? Not on your life. That path leads only to fear and anger, and we all know that once you start down that path, there is no turning back. If you WANT this to be good rather than KNOWING it will be good, odds are youre gonna be in the same boat as myself. This is no better than the Prequels. Scrub that hope out of your heart now.
Until next time friends, smoke em if ya got em.
Massawyrm
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Nobody told you about Lucas' review embargo, right?
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Woooooooo
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Second.
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There is a valid point in that we already know the fate of the characters, so it's pointless to even try to place them in danger. But...this was such a poorly conceived rant aimed at ( and written by?) a 14 year old intellect...this is what passes for a review on this site these days.
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This always looked boring to me. I mean why did he not just do Episdoe II itself as the Clone Wars, instead of having all that political meandering before hand. Christ, I give up
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Why do people feel the need to lterally rape every idea until even the original idea gets tarnished!
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My interest in all things Star Wars has dropped so low that I couldn't even muster the enthusiasm to go see it early and for free. Also, the trailer bored the shit out of me, so what was the actual film gonna do? I'm so sick of this damned franchise.
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Interesting narrative you've constructed there. Good idea including that at the beginning, as it helpfully warns people like me to take the rest of the review with a grain of salt.
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Where the hell is Harry's review of this? I've looked on the main page, I've looked in Reviews, I've looked in Search. What kind of page has a new item one day, then next day it is GONE AND CAN'T BE FOUND?
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Where the hell is Harry's review of this? I've looked on the main page, I've looked in Reviews, I've looked in Search. What kind of page has a new item one day, then next day it is GONE AND CAN'T BE FOUND?
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It was up last night and now it is gone.
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Perhaps in the hands of someone that hasn't ruined their name in the eyes of the fans.
I'll probably end up seeing this. If only to mentally prepare for the inevitable internet porn for the precocious cub reporter jedi sidekick. -
I think that the main problem with many of the AICN STAR WARS naysayers is jealousy. They seem to know what George Lucas should be thinking when it comes to his creative properties and get angry when it turns out not to be what THEY thought it should have been. Lay off the man. Maybe these STAR wars prequels and so forth are not as good as the originals, but they are what he intended, and that's the bottom line. If you don't like them and have given up hope on them, then STOP WATCHING THEM and keep your whiny-ass comments to yourself. Like it or not, there are many out there who like STAR WARS, regardless of what you think or say, and nothing you say is going to change that.
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Mori's gonna spank Massa like a ginger orphan...
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Seriously. Not once. Nothing I've seen previewed made this look remotely interesting. I'm still holding out hope for the live action television series . . . not much, but some. This, though . . . bleh. Forget it.
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For me the Star Wars Saga shall only ever include the first 3 films. Everything else after that is... well, you know
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It was awesome!!!
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Don't see this crap & stop buying their junk. Lucas' right hand toad, Steven Sanshit, will be out of a job, and have to go back to his original career as a fluffer for male-only porn movies.
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either Mass didn't know about it too and this review will get removed OR theres some bullshit floating around. As for this film - well it could for me be the final nail in the SW coffin. You know I, like Harry, have never fully hated a SW movie so far. Sure, there were large swathes of TPM which bored the shit out of me, not to mention you had to deal with the presence of Yippeeee Annie and JJ Binks - but the podrace was cool, Darth Maul was cool. AOTC was redeemed by the ending which I actually liked, ROTS I will even say that I actively enjoyed (even though the argument between Anakin and Obi Wan on the lava planet was awful - how could Lucas fuck it up so bad??). Perhaps I was holding on to some underserved loyalty to the very IDEA of Star Wars. Because despite all the missed opportunities, the letdowns, the wooden acting and awful new characters - I just couldn't bring myself to really hate them. But now - in what appears to be an inexcusable utterly utterly awful cash-in cartoon crapfest - is it finally time that I admit to myself and the world that Star Wars is now iredeemably and incontrevertibly, well,... shit?
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I haven't seen Clone Wars but i'm not holding out much hope. That being said, how can you blame this dip in quality on the fanboys? The fanboys are the ones who frequent this site and bitch about the poor quality of the prequels. It's all Lucas' fault, he's a megalomaniac.
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All the fanboys having a good whine over everything just because this movie turned out like shit! Look into your heart... you knew it would :)
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Because it doesn't actually talk about what happens in it beyond the trailer, and beyond saying "This is shit"?
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a plucky tween girl sidekick. Next Lucas will re-dub the original trilogy: "Talk to the hand, R2!"
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I was posting a very insightful comment on Harry Knowles' review page when it vanished and turned into a Beverly Hills Cop 4 talkback. Huh. Well in any event, I am not going to see this, in all liklihood.
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Supposedly, according to the now disappeared Harry "I Hated It" review, he said that Moriarty liked the film. Why are we only seeing the whiny negative reviews of Harry (albeit removed) and Massawyrm and not getting the (what might be) positive review by Moriarty? Is he still contemplating what he will post or is he having to wait until all the AICN negative "George Lucas Raped My Childhood" reviews to be posted first?
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Although this smacks of GL trying to "pwn" Genndy Tartakofski's great effort, I still hold out a sliver of hope for the live-action series. A very slim sliver, but all tautologies aside a small hope nonetheless. I can't help it, I guess I'm programmed.
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People go into Star Wars wanting "Kill Bill" with lightsabers, and that's just not going to happen. It's supposed to be cheeseball space opera. Anyone who goes into Star Wars thinking they're going to a serious scifi flick is an idiot.
I'm really sick of the prequel bashing. This review was yet another round of "Lucas didn't make the movie I wanted" by yet another Tim-From-Spaced kind of fanboy. You're like crack addicts. You swear at the drug for being so bad, but you take another hit as soon as its offered.
Me? I enjoy them for the light entertainment they are, yet I enjoy the deeper story Lucas has created. Yes, Jar-Jar sucked, but I still maintain that 90% of the problem with Jar-Jar was Ahmed Best's voice-over work. If the character had spoken in a less stupid voice, you'd have been a lot more inclined to like him. If they had just made him speak an alien language and used subtitles, you'd have probably enjoyed him.
But I know it's in vogue to bash Lucas. It's spazz groupthink, apparently. I'll leave you boys to your teeth-gnashing over silly miniscule details you miss from the movie you made in your head.. -
i love starwars but even i'm getting worried.imagine what Chris Nolan,or Ridley Scott could do with episode 7+8+9 .what about the 30 somethings that made starwars a success?do we not matter? yippie indeed.
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Hmm,
Here's the thing: Star Wars (and I am as big on junkie as anyone else) was, has been and likely always will be something written for KIDS! Not adults. Never adults. Period. Big Papa Lucas modeled the thing off of the best parts of his childhood: days spent watching nickel cinema instead of going to school.
SW, ESB and ROTJ -- classics all -- are not high cinema. They are assuredly groundbreaking, and I love them with all my heart. But there were designed, and really improved upon, as new moments of an otherwise nostogized form that touched the inner child of billions of people. He also brought a few new folks to the party as well...
Problematically, you grew up and became 30-40 year old geeks (I'm one too) who now want this otherwise children's literature to become an adult literature because you don't want to let go. So what did you think was gonna happen when Lucas decided to keep writing immature stories (after you grew up)?
As for the prequels... same deal: everyone bitchslapped George around to tell the stories that came before the really awesome ones (as he, wisely, started his great magnum opus in the middle as opposed to the beginning)? Politics and monastics are not that exciting (at least most politicians and monks I have met haven't taken me out to many good swashbuckling affairs). So, now Lucas is continuing to flesh out the monks, and folks are upset because he is still telling stories meant for 8-year-olds as Massa rightly notes.
Whether we like it or not folks -- most of us are too old for SW because we grew up. Lucas hasn't gotten THAT much shittier than he did when he wrote Episode IV (the discussion on his dialogue and the wealth of the plot of the story has been well-anthologized)... He simply broke new ground in the 70s and we were bedazzled. Problematically, 20-30 years later, he can't break that new ground for us in the same way... and we're sad... and we bitch and moan to whoever will read these talkbacks because we're 30-40 year old babies that want something that never existed except for one moment in 1977 when George Lucas caught precognitive hold of the Zeitgeist which would fascinate the space fantasy world for 10-20 years to come.
You don't catch lightning in the bottle twice very often (Damn I bet this almost might read better if I could figure out spacing on here). Lucas gave us two or three brilliant film properties... and, when we grew up and learned to work our internets, all we said thank you with was out unmitigated bitching and nitpicking. Put the damn keyboards down and go play with the new Falcon that Hasbro put out -- you'll fell a helluva lot better about yourselves.
Oh, and for the record: who didn't think the Clone Wars was not going to suck? Why do you think he deliberately skipped over it in the prequels in the first place? (Answer: it was dull as hell.) -
I wonder if he was worried that he would hurt someone's feelings? If he got a call from one of the people behind the movie? If George Lucas himself threatened to hurt his family? Ha ha, I laughed at my own joke on that last one.
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i had the feeling from watching the trailer that this would be bad, now harry and massa just gave me reassurance, im spending my money in some other movie, Lucas milking of Star Wars makes me sick to the stomach
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1. Do a live action series of films or a tv series based around the original rise of the sith and the discovery of the Force itself. You can't go forward because you can't replace the original cast, and you can't do prequels that relate because knowing the outcome of the story ahead of time completely removes all sense of drama.
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read some posts beside your own and you might actually find out!
And Zero Corpse, you know Jar Jar was originally supposed to be a mute character, right? Oh the cruelty! -
Aug 11, 2008 9:39:00 AM CDT
Yeah....thanks AICN.....not watching this now...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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..with Wizard magazine #203: Q - What can you do in animation that a live-action "Star Wars" film can't? A - "We brought a lot of comedy.." (Needle scratches) WHAT? I stopped caring right then and there. I'm turning in my Star Wars Fan card.
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Right up there with "sexiest tomboy beanpole!" And not that this is overly important--we're talking about a movie review, after all, and (apparently) not even a review for a good movie--but how is it that Massawyrm can post his with no problem at all, but Harry has to yank his review and Moriarty--whose writing I usually respect and enjoy--goes all Gestapo on everybody (If you link to the review, you're gone. This is not a joke, this is not a game...) No, what it is, is a whole lotta sound and fury, signifying nothing, a tale told by an idiot--hell, some might say a RETARD!--which brings us back nicely to the whole question of offensive people being easily offended. It's not worth a fifth of the time and space it's getting. Honestly, am I the only one out there who believes that the first Star Wars back in 1977 stands on its own, and that NO MORE MOVIES based on it had to be made, and that it was a helluva lot more fun to simply use your imagination to guess where everyone wound up (i.e. Luke wound up banging the Princess, who never WAS his sister and was the reason he joined the rebellion in the first fucking place, not so he could end up on a swamp planet carrying a Muppet on his back while Han Solo stole his girl!)? Just askin'.
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Remember how Lucas said Star Wars was originally supposed to be a trilogy of trilogies? And he decided to make the middle one first? HE WILL NEVER MAKE THE SEQUEL TRILOGY! Why? Because he could NEVER make anything to compete with Timothy Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy. Couldn't even come close. Zahn is the real reason I care about SW. Eveything since has been a steady downward slope that was ACCELERATED by the prequels.
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Anyway, I gotta say that I actually like Episodes 2 and 3. 1 was plain awful though ambitious. However, by the sounds of the review, this REALLY is the time to get off the boat once and for all.
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I laughed and laughed when I read that. More than once. Now, Lucas as a plagiarist, or Lucas as a hack, or Lucas as a snake-oil salesman. Those would ring true and make sense. Lucas has always been about moving product and grabbing the easy money. He never set out to create enduring mythologies and cultural references--the fan-boys did all that for him. Lucas as the pimp is more like it.
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This franchise died when Lucas started work on the first prequel. Episode III is the only prequel that is watchable and it's a sub par Star Wars movie at that. It's beyond obvious that the elements that we all love from the original trilogy had very little to do with Lucas and the crap we all hated, like the Ewoks, were 100% Lucas. They guy is a hack who got incredibly lucky with the original Star Wars and who then basically handed the reins over to others who took what he did in Star Wars and made it truely great with The Empire Strikes Back only to have Lucas try to assert some authority in Return of the Jedi and make parts of it suck. He wasn't able to completely screw that one up because the first two put that film on a path and there were certain places that it had to go (the duel between Luke and Vader in front of the empower and Vader's eventual death) so it wasn't all bad.
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Except how to be an emotionally immature, jerky punk. If she was a real character and somehow managed to survive into ep 3 then it would just be another thing for him to moan about as he chops her head off. Ha ha.
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It is unfair and untrue the Lucas "has no original ideas" any more. He has PLENTY. It's just that they all pretty much are stink on shit these days.
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That question has been answered here and in other TBs about 100 bloody times already!
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Seriously, people need to stop raining love down on Genndy Tartakofski's weaksauce animated effort. He created a world where the Jedi were so unstoppable that a SINGLE ONE could win an entire war, and it was ludicrously inane and cartoony and against everything we saw in both trilogies. Plus there was minimal plot and zero characterization, just mindless over-the-top action. People tend to say that last thing about the prequels. I submit to them that Genndy Tartakofski's Clone Wars is 100 times worse in those regards.
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And I'm one of them.
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ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! All your bitching and moaning is not going to change anything. Both STAR WARS and INDIANA JONES are terrific concepts that still stand the test of time. You may not like the way they are being handled, but believe it or not, you AINT George Lucas. If you don't like this stuff, then avoid it. Leave it alone for the sake of those of us who still do-and when you see the box office receipts you can tell that there are a helluva lot more of us than there are of you. That ought to tell you something. And before you all go off on more of your high-handed insult rants, let me fill you in on a secret. There is A LOT of things I would change about episodes I, II and III if I could, but I can't. I sit back and enjoy them for what they are. And when I go to see THE CLONE WARS, I will do the same thing. This has been a good summer for movies and I doubt very seriously if THE CLONE WARS will change my outlook on that. I think the main problem with the naysayers is they go into theaters WANTING to hate these films.
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I hear you brother, but the main two issues I think people have with Star Wars now is:
- If this were the same film without the Star Wars history it would be laughed out of any studio for being the poorly written, badly characterised, ADD edited trash and
- Lucas' whole 'it's not for the fans who grew up with it, it's for the kids' is grandly insulting to childrens intelligence. -
And Massawyrm didn't get the memo. I see a spanking in Massawyrm's future. Administered by Harry and Moriarty. It won't be pretty.
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George Lucas once made great films. THX-1138 is a stunning film, full of creative risk-taking and wonderful acting. American Graffiti is arguably the best movie about highschool kids wasting time for a summer ever made.
Fame is what killed Lucas. Once he made the most succesful movie of all time he just stopped trying. If you look at the talent surrounding young George, and the films he made before Star Wars, you can easily see that his work rivaled his contempories, Coppola, and Spielberg. -
Seriously tho, Star Wars has gone to that same place as George Lucas' chin. Nowhere to be seen, like his talent.
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now i have another reason for not watching this thing, solidarize with AICN on the embargo thing
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Just an animated trilogy of the Timothy Zahn books, please. If you can make it look like "Gotham Nights", that would be great. Oh, and maybe some "Appleseed Ex Machina" style battles. That would really hit the spot.
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Did ANYBODY think this was going to be good? I mean besides my 12 year old cousin on crystal-meth?
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The only reason Spielberg doesn't get as much hate as Lucas is because he never made a movie with the following of Star Wars. What Spielberg did to the rerelease of ET was just as unforgivable as making Greedo shoot first. The days of a movie like Close Encounters coming out from Spielberg are long over.
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Aug 11, 2008 9:53:40 AM CDT
Sorry Half Vader but that news isn't on this talkback
by cotton mcknight
And this is the only place I would think it would be, because it is, after all, a Clone Wars talkback. Is this "embargo" news on a tropic thunder talkback? how on earth would I know to look there?
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If you tell a dude he's a genius for three goddamn decades, he's bound to believe that everything he touches is great regardless of final quality...
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Okay, I guess he had SLIGHTLY more - he greenlit it. Then someone else wrote it, directed it, everything.
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He should be happy anyone is actually talking about this turkey. In a week, the word will be out anyway that shocker- it sucks. Was anyone really hoping otherwise? The truth will set us free.
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Aug 11, 2008 9:54:56 AM CDT
But Masswyrm, please tell us what you really think ...
by morpheusthesandman
I ha dmore fun reading this, than watching the first two prequels. That's why I haven't even downloaded the last of the Sith, or how the final prequel is called. Not going to watch this either.
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I never HATED the prequels. Yeah, not Dark Knight caliber, but for me, they were fun at least, something to pass the time, and I picked them all of up on DVD when they came out, and I can watch them again. Yes, Lucas is CG Happy, and yes, Jar Jar sucks, and yes, the actors he chose to play Anakin sucked, and yes...well, it goes on.
But I still had fun watching them, I know the Star Wars Hardcore cite them as the Satanic Verses of sci-fi, but for me, I didn't go in expecting the original trilogy, and I didn't get it, but I did get popcorn fluff along the lines of what you usually get into summer movies these days.
So I'll watch Clone Wars, and I'll probably enjoy it, because I don't expect Academy Award material, I just expect that stuff on the screen will move, people will talk, and my son will go on about it for days after we've seen it and ask a thousand times before it comes out on DVD if it's come out on DVD yet. -
he gave the audience the opportunity and choice of still seeing ET in its orginal form. had lucas never "killed" the non special edition versions of the OT, i doubt he'd get half the slack he does. that really rubbed the uber fans the wrong way.
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Exceopt the brilliant showdown Jedi already had all the elements that made Episode I+II suck donkey balls. Am I right? I am right. Case Closed.
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Why would anyone that hated something so much bother wasting the time it took to write that rant? Because it is popular to bitch about Lucas that is why. Does this Monkey's Nutsack even realize this film IS in fact intended for a younger audience? When I see their reactions I will make up my mind about the quality of this film. This movie was not made for me so my opinion much like this turd's does not mean shit. Dumbing down the Star Wars cash cow for the under 3 foot crowd is nothing new (Remember the Ewok TV movies and Droid and Ewok cartoons.) and it did not kill or hurt the franchise then nor will it now. As long as it is a fun little ride my ass will be in the seat watching just like it was back in 1977.
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Harry: "What's the meaning of this?"
Lucasfilm troll: "Who rule Geek Nation?"
Harry (visibly irked): "You do... You rule Geek Nation..."
Lucasfilm troll: "Louder!"
Harry: "Lucasfilm! Lucasfilm rules Geek Nation!"
Lucasfilm troll (wallowing in pig shit): "Lift embargo!" -
has a BEER and CHEETS on the FANBOYS!
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I have an edit of the Phantom Menace. A lot less Jar Jar, but enough to keep his relevance to the plot. A lot less annoying things from Jake Lloyd, which means a lot less pod-racing.
Basically it's 30 minutes shorter and it's a far better film.An Edit of Attack of the Clones?
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NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All you prequel lovers are morons!!! All 3 sucked big massive balls.
I own the original trilogy that was burned onto DVD from the laser disk versions. And that is all I need.
I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH STAR WARS!!!!!! IT WAS RUINED IN 1999!!!!!!!! RUINED I TELLS YA!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
Dis is mooey mooey bombad meesa thinks! You-sa in big doo-doo dis time!
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Anyone really surprised over the review? I MEAN, REALLY?
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does it mean they'll air it on television before the series starts?
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It sucked just as hard as Episodes I&II!!!!
ROTJ had the Ewoks, which were lame. But that's all. The rest of the movie rocked!!! Sith totally sucked ass. Nothing was good about it at all. -
Considering a huge inspiration for the original "Star Wars" was Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress," a Samurai movie -- we SHOULD GET a freaking "Kill Bill" with lightsabers! How did he go so wrong?
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The people needs to know. They needs. To know.
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Is no one at AICN on the same page anymore or what's the deal here? First a review is pulled because of an embargo and then another one goes up in its place. Did somebody not get the memo?!Trolls abound, random bannings, tight-lipped Mods, testy Talkbackers, dogs and cats living together......mass hysteria!
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isn't it time for a new director? Most of the original fans are far more sohisticated (despite jokes about virginity and living in basements). Some of us have grown into hard-cor cinephiles, with degrees and everything! So lets get some talent behind these stories.I wouldn't mind seeing Ridley or Tony Scott direct a Star Wars 1-shot film. A Tarantino-directed story on Tatooine? Michael Bay directs an action-packed film about Imperial Stormtroopers? Aronofsky? Fincher? Lynch? Who else?
Put them in the "Knights of the Old Republic" era if you're afraid of continuity gaps. This Star wars universe deserves better than this CGI DVD garbage.Ugh, Lucas. Just ugh. -
I have no idea where this news came from. What "embargo"? Has Lucasfilm demanded that the movie not be talked about until August 15th? Is that right? Is it just for this site, or all across the board? I will reserve judgment until I have the facts but if Harry cowered because of some kind of threat (I am not exactly sure what power George Lucas has that keeps people from talking about a movie- unless they signed some kind of confidentiality agreement), then I may have lost two of my favorite things today.
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Aug 11, 2008 10:03:28 AM CDT
People that pay to see this and buy $150 Star Wars toys
by hawaiian organ donor
Continue playing into Lucas' hands. Seriously, a $150 Millennium Falcon? Just show Lucas your backside. Quit buying his crap, paying to see his garbage and dressing up like Stormtroopers at Comic Con. Just let this thing die already.
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sounds like the work of that 'we're not Chinese' trade alliance.
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what boggles my mind is that people even need to see crap like this in order to know it stinks. You honestly can't smell it from 10 feet away?
Your dollars are going to encourage more of this shit. -
Im sure it was "no more studio/set visits for you guys" so basically Lucas threatened to take away all the cookies, and Harry said, "but....I love cookies *sad clown*" and pulled it.
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Next thing you know Mr. Stay Puft is going to be rampaging around Manhattan Cloverfield style.
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Aug 11, 2008 10:06:19 AM CDT
if you don't want to repost it, then provide a link to..
by cotton mcknight
the talkback where this is discussed, please. Because I have no idea where to look. And by the way, this just highlights how bad this website is. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Not to mention that the search function is bad- I did a search for Hellboy2 reviews the other day and the first news that came up was from 2006.
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The prequels were entertaining and fun. Just chillax about them already. People still expect the god damn Godfather every time they see a film. Christ all mighty just take the corn cobs out of your asses.
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How is anyone suprised by this? This is simply the pilot episode of a new cartoon series. It got thrown in the theatres because even without good reviews it will still pay for an entire season and sell seperately for more money on DVD & Bluray. I'm not as down on the prequels as most but Lucas is totally off the reservation and therefore this was to be expected.
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The prequels are certainly aimed at children, just watch TPM, but if you go back and watch the original Star Wars, followed by The Empire Strikes Back you'll find two films that, while they can be watched and enjoyed by children, can be watched and enjoyed by adults as well. We didn't start getting elements clearly aimed at children and nothing but children until the introduction of the Ewoks.
Idiotic charachters that are clearly meant to appeal only to 7 years olds (Jar Jar), poop and fart jokes, and other elements aimed only at 7 year olds did not start until the prequels so enough with this "it's only for the children and you grew up" nonsense. I'm an adult and I have no problems enjoying Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back and most of Return of the Jedi (minus the Ewok parts that I loved as I kid but cringe at now that I'm older). Not so with the prequel trilogy. I is complete garbage aimed at 7 year olds. II has some enjoyable parts starting about half way through the film building to the ending which was pretty cool and III is the closest one to capturing the magic of the originals but it still fails mostly due to things that by the third film would have been impossible to change givent he first two (the overuse of CGI, the wooden acting and lake of chemistry between Hayden and Natalie, the whinny little bitch aspect of Anakin's character, etc).
Those who try and argue it's all only aimed at children are revisionist idiots. Go back and look at Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back and try and make that argument again. They were films that could be enjoyed by people of all ages, including children, but were not aimed specifically at children in the way that certain aspects of Jedi, TPM, and AOTC clearly were. I know, because now that I'm an adult I can still enjoy the parts of the original trilogy (the vast majority of it) that was aimed at general audiences and can get past the crap clearly aimed at 7 years olds (the Ewoks) because there isn't much of it. Not so with TPM and AOTC and again, to a certain extent, with Revenge of the Sith. -
Silly Rabbit! Star Wars is for kids! George stated that since day one. He wanted a film that kids to enjoy. No, what was wrong with the prequels was BAD DIRECTING, TOO MUCH CGI, HORRIBLE MUSIC, AND A HORRIBLE SCRIPT. The story itself was good though.
Btw...Nothing is wrong with the teenage girl jedi in the film! SHE ACTUALLY BROUGHT PERSONALITY TO THE FILM! Unlike the prequels where none of the characters had any personality. they were all like robots in their speech and mannerisms.
btw.....WWIII STARTED ON 8/8/8!!! THAT WILL BE THE DAY HISTORY WILL TRACE THE START OF WWIII. As we speak, the LARGEST U.S. ARMADA OF WARSHIPS IS ON THEIR WAY TO IRAN. RUSSIA INVADED GEORGIA! NATO IS ON THEIR WAY TO RUSSIA! RUSSIA VS. NATO= BAD NEWS!
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html
http://www.debka.com/index1.php
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...and Lucas had nothing to do with that.
I agree that the newer stuff has paled in comparison to the originals, especially parts IV and V, but I kinda liked Episode III. It wasn't Shakespeare, but we're living in an age where not even SHAKESPEARE is Shakespeare (Hamlet 2, I'm lookin' at YOU!) I think Lucas tried to think too broadly with the prequels, when the only interesting story he had to tell (in point of fact, the only story even HE found interesting), was the fall of Anakin and the rise of Darth Vader. Frankly, Episode III should have been the START of the whole series, rather than the end. Wouldn't it have been more interesting to see the post-Vader universe after seeing Anakin fall? Obi-Wan lets Leia go to Alderaan under a new name and with a new identity, and takes Luke to Tatooine...with the name Skywalker...and waits for Anakin to show up so Obi-Wan can kill him? It would've made SENSE for young Luke (a Skywalker on Anakin's former home planet) to be set up as bait, and show a SECOND big showdown between Anakin (as Vader) and Obi-Wan. Then, you could have had baby Luke "killed" a second time and whisked away to the other side of the planet to be raised by Owen and Beru, completely free of the possibility that Anakin is looking for him, but NOOOOooo-o-o-o-o, we have to have crappy love scenes and stupid droid soldiers and "roger-roger." George, I find your lack of faith disturbing. The force is no longer strong with this one. -
you just can't expect much from the actual cartoon.
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...nuff said.
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Ha! If that's the case, then we'll need the CoC to mount up and cross the streams!
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I MEANT TO SAY....NATO IS ON THEIR WAY TO GEORGIA.
ALSO CHECK OUT:
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html
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Wow. You guys still haven't come to your senses, huh? Don't give me that "Thses movies were made for kids so it's okay if they suck" bullshit either. You know what was made for kids? Iron Giant. The Incredibles. The first Clone Wars series. How come those movies don't suck and the Prequels (and this new CGI Wars) do? "They're made for kids" doesn't excuse bad storytelling. Ever. And these movies were badly written, directed and acted.
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It's Massa's job to review movies and let us know what he personally thinks! If you dont like the reviewers on this site then fuck off somewhere else!
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most of this is over in the Tropic Thunder "Retard" TB, but for those wondering what happened heres the deal.
Harry posts very negative Clone Wars review, sayings its the first SW film he's truly hated.
Review, and subsequent TB, get removed from the site.
People gravitate to Trpoic Thunder TB to asky what the fuck happened to Harry's review.
Harry says there is an embargo on reviews.
Moriarty chips in to say all reviews of this film are embargoed until the 15th. Legal issues etc. Anyone posting a link to Harry's review will get banned from the site.
Other reviews from reputable sources pop up all over the web. BBC News even has an article where they pool together reviews from Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Empire et al (found here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7553560.stm
Talkbackers bitch about Harry selling out, Moriarty wades in, insults are traded from all sides.
Massawrym then puts up....a review of Clone Wars despite this so called embargo which he, nor anyone else, seems to be obeying.
Now of course there may be an embargo, this whole review may disappear soon, all those other publications making reviews may get their arses slapped. But it does seem strange, that for the first time in seemingly years - Harry decides to post a negative review on one of his film babies, when the trend of late has been for him to, well, NOT do this - and all of a sudden the thing gets chopped. Did Skywalker Ranch ring to tell him he wasn't getting his new deluxe Millenium Falcon toy? Is there really an embargo that everyone else is brazenly flouting? Lets hope we find out the truth before more people develop a very nasty taste in their mouths over this whole sordid affair. Until next time - keep it off the record, on the QT and very HUSH-HUSH. -
You can't take the droids serious when they say "roger.roger" in that stupid voice. Also, that wasn't done to please kids, nope. That was done cuz Lucas is a horrible writer! All the original STAR WARS films were scripted by other people.
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...that everyone is talking about?
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That really sucks. I hatre to say this but I kind of lost a little respect for the Ain't it cool news people if that's true. How can you trust anything they say now? I always kind of defended them when they praised a bad review, but now that there seems to be proof that studios have influence here (and for such a pathetic reason too- the guys want to be able to look at the cool stuff before anyone else), I cannot defend them anymore. So what happens when Michael Bay calls up and tells one of the reviewers here that they will get an autographed picture of Megan Fox for a good Transformer review? Or has that already happened? Hell, they could have a deal set up where Harry or Moriarty take turns giving the honest review- ever notice how they seem to disagree? Warner Brothers, Paramount, etc. might have a deal in place where one of them gets to write what they really think, while the other one praises the movie in question. And they just take turns.. kind of like how they took turns on the whole "1982" film series. Whoever was the most passionate about a particular movie got to write the honest review. Of course this is all conjecture, but the point is, this has entered my mind as a possibility. I have doubts now. I will reserve judgment but it's not looking good right now.
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...from a certain point of view.
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...a few seconds ago
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The embargo is on! It's off! It's on! It's off! It's on! It's off! It's on! It's aaah... it's pending. ...perhaps?
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Seriously, I have zero expectation of anything with "Star Wars" on it. Although that 2 and a half foot long Millennium Falcon is tits.
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I actually just guessed when I said "what, is the information on the tropic thunder review?". Anyway, I can't imagine what kind of legal action Lucasfilm could take on a review, unless confidentiality agreements were signed. Which is entirely possible. But even still, what would prevent a reviewer here from saying "I saw it and I thought it was terrible?". Why wouldn't harry just edit his review to give us the lowdown on what Lucas did, and then say "without giving anything away, I want you all to know I didn't care for this movie". What law would that have violated?
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The original star wars was made for kids. The new star wars was made for fanboys! And were scripted and directed by someone with a big ego. THE PREQUELS COULD OF BEEN GOOD. The story is good. It just needed NO CGI, BETTER MUSIC, ANOTHER DIRECTOR, AND A SCRIPT WRITTEN BY LAWARNCE KASDAN. Keep Lucas away! EMPIRE AND JEDI WERE DIRECTED BY OTHERS. And the script for all three origianls were written by others. Even though Lucas wrote the script for the original, he had other people come in and write the dialouge and help with the script. BTW....STAR WARS ISN'T FOR 30 YEARS OLDS! IT'S FOR EVERYBODY!!!!!! Even though yesterday I saw KILL BILL, and thought the scene with the bride fighting the crazy 88's would of looked awesome if that was a jedi fighting a bunch of siths!
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I mean really like them. But this is too much. It's overkill. As a SW fan, I can't believe they have brought me to the point where I want it to die. Please Lucas and Co., end this shit.
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Why do people dismiss bad TV and films by saying "It's for KIDS!". Have they not seen shows that work for all ages? The original trilogy had that, Pixar films have that, classic Disney has that, so why is it crazy for people to expect entertainment primarily aimed at kids to work for adults as well?
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good job ranting, sorry you didnt like it. now that you got this out your system, go bitch about something else.
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...would come in here and give you all a what for."
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So you, too, are as easy to please as the rest of the backpack-toting fanboys? No wonder why Lucas keeps making garbage - because people like you are camping out for a week beforehand, blindly throwing your shekels at him. Congrats.
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to the industry. If they piss off a studio they will never invite them back onto movie sets or give them time for 1-on-1 interviews. Contributors to this site need and crave the access studios allow them. That is why Harry has these reviews that are out of touch with reality and why he removed his own review for STAR WARS. Where's the integrity???
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THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!
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Well, I'm just asking for a kicking here but I was at the screening of the film on Leicester Square yesterday morning and me and about 200 other folks all seemed to enjoy the hell out of it.
Honestly, I'm bored to fuck with all the haters. If you don't like it, fuck off and watch something else, because there are plenty of folks out there who still get a kick out of this stuff.
Thing is, it's easy to slag things off when you're an armchair critic.
What I saw yesterday was a well-executed 90 minute piece of Saturday morning matinee nostalgia - nothing more, nothing less - translated into the Star Wars arena. It was loud, brash, cocky and busy. Sure, it had perametres it has to stick to (next you'll tell me Scotty doesn't die in Star Trek 11, or Harry Potter won't be murdered by Hermoine on a crack-fulled rampage in Potter 6) and any film fan knows who will live and who dies.
But Star Wars is a different beast to pretty much everything else out there, Trek apart perhaps. The fanbase WANT the details, WANT the inside skinny on pretty much everything. And Lucas is delivering.
And shit, string the bastard up for wanting to make a living out of this. I forgot that Fox or Warners pay every dime that's on screen, or is it the tax payer?
No, no - he's an INDEPENDENT FILM MAKER, he finances the whole shebang himself, and good luck to him for doing that.
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... that's why I didn't bother to write one for this site. Anyhoo, Massawyrm is spot on: It's colorful, action-packed, glossy, but about as pointless and soulless as an episode of "B.R.A.T.Z.". It's impossible to connect emotionally with any of the characters, and the CGI design makes them look like wood-textured rubber puppets. It would be okay for kids, but unfortunately, it IS pretty violent (clone warriors are people too!), and the political machinations are way too complex for a ten year old. It pretty much fails on every level.
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The prequels were made with children in mind. This new thing is literally a CHILDREN'S CARTOON. Good, bad, or otherwise, you cannot expect even a prequel-level of "edginess" (you know, mothers dying, decapitation, severed limbs, infanticide, political corruption, etc.) All you're getting is a kids cartoon based on a movie. Like the RAMBO cartoon. Don't expect even a movie out of this. It's a Saturday morning cartoon on the big screen. Expect more and you're an idiot. Maybe it still sucks, but oh well. Go see Dark Knight again.
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Lucas didn't cater to fanboys. Lucas catered to himself. There was no editorial process. He didn't answer to a studio. He surrounded himself with yes-men, and ignored the media. For years after Episode 1 he said plenty of fans like Jar-Jar, and most people must have loved Episode 1 because it made so much money. Lucas forgot film-making and story-telling 101. Show, don't tell. We have a bunch of shitty exposition sandwiching a little bit of action. The pod race scene was a brilliant demonstration of new sound technology. The saber battle at the end was great. And the story could have been salvaged by a good writer. Note, the novelization is pretty decent. Lucas has no clue how to tell a story. He thinks explosions and blue milk make Star Wars, all the while he forgot the "M" in ILM. A better writer/director could have taken his concepts for the prequels and made some great films. I had really hoped that allowing someone else to take the reigns here would provide exactly that. Frankly, I never trust Harry's reviews, but now after reading yours, I'm not sure I'm going to go see this.
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well, more money for Lucas, I guess. Good for you. And good for him, too. Because if anybody on the planet needs more money or more smoke blown up his ass, it's George Lucas.
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I may, one day, download this (dependent on the general consensus in a year or two...). But there is no way Lucas gets another cent of my money for his product...
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He raped me before I was born.
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Attack of The Clones is a bad movie. It's poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed, incoherent, dull, and stupid. I can't believe you've just posted that.
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A film for kids is NOT THE PROBLEM. There's only ONE PROBLEM with new Star Wars Prequels or Indiana Jones Sequels, and that problem is: LUCAS. He has single handly destroyed his franchises.
Btw....WWIII STARTED ON 8/8/8!!! THAT WILL BE THE DAY HISTORY WILL TRACE THE START OF WWIII. As we speak, the LARGEST U.S. ARMADA OF WARSHIPS IS ON THEIR WAY TO IRAN. RUSSIA INVADED GEORGIA! NATO IS ON THEIR WAY TO GEORGIA! RUSSIA VS. NATO= BAD NEWS!
http://europebusines.blogspot. com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-a rmada-heads-for-iran.html
http://www.debka.com/index1.ph p
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For God's sake, when ranting, at least SPELL it correctly: "Luke, I am YOUR father." "Help us, Obi-Wan Kenobi, YOU'RE our only hope!"
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You know that is coming.
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Attack of the clones brought us Padme wearing tight spandex! That alone saved it from getting ZERO STARS in my book.
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Stop drinking Lucas' Kool Aid people..he NEVER intended these things for "Kids". Do you think a child would understand the concept of "The Force"; or the implications of Darth Vader being Lukes father? Do you think when Yoda talks about the living creatures as being "Luminious beings" or when Han shoots first this was meant for Children? No. "It was made for Kids" is just an excuse Lucas made up when people started slamming TMP as being the horrid chunk or shit that it is. Stop giving this Hack a pass you Kool Aid swilling Lucas enablers.
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Simply put, Harry wants to be invited to free screenings in the future. Massawyrm is taking the chance that LucasFilm will not invite him next time-- Or more to the point, it seems like Massawyrm doesn't give a shit whether or not he sees another Star Wars film, so he's breaking the embargo.
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Sorry to the fans out there, but it's true. That's when the whole Star Wars trilogy died. Some would also say it's when they appeared in the Return of the Jedi, but I felt like it wasn't that bad. They served their purpose in that flick.Lucas went goofy with the first prequel, then just never truly came back from it. Yes, I didn't even like the Revenge of the Sith with all the “turning” of Anakin… I though the ending battle was ok, but not EPIC GREAT. And the ending scene with Vader screaming was just plain horrific.I think Lucas missed out on all aspects when he decided to do it himself instead of reaching out to his writers and people who work at the ranch and asked them where all of this began. The whole city and perfect ships was ok, I mean all his nice and clean before a war, just look at Sarajevo when the Olympics were there and now, no one would’ve guessed that city was once one of the most beautiful places in the world. So it made sense.But the whole story was like he though of it while shooting. It was horrendous.Then came Attack of the clones.. Which had no real attack from the clones, it should’ve been “Attacking with the clones!” or “The Jedi’s clone army”. There was absolutely no substance in that movie. Sorry but Hayden Christensen had one, maybe two expressions. It was just bad acting. Maybe it was the Director’s fault for not getting the performance from the kid, but it just seemed “bleh”… Then the story was rushed way to fast. And Anakin actually matured faster than Padme, he actually reached her age… Wow now that was stupid…Revenge was not that great either. When he finally beats Mace Windu with one sabre hit, I mean come on… That’s the battle that should’ve been shown to the world. That’s were he should’ve actually turned and mauled and beaten to a point where when he confronts Obi Wan he’s not at his best, ‘cause Windu kicked the hell out of him before. But no.. Windu, being against the “boy” being promoted to fast to the level of Jedi can’t even suspect that the kid might turn on him. Nope.. To busy pointing my sabre at the old guy… That’s were I would’ve put the big battle, the Emperor moves back “Ah Windu, now we’ll see how you can manage against my newest apprentice” Anakin attacks and a battle ensues, Windu beat him repeatedly but the kid comes back for more with every word the Emperor screams at him about embracing the dark side and no one can stop him! Once the window is broken, and Windu is ready for the final blow we get a shot of Anakin’s face, his eyes turn blood red, he smile and his skin darkens he finally turns into what the Emperor wanted and turns so fast that Windu is caught and as the sabre comes back to Anakin/Vader it open and hits Windu. Bam.. Vader is now in.The whole point of this flick was to show how he turns, we only saw a kid screaming and bitching the whole freaking time.My view would’ve been to have Anakin as a young kid for half the first movie, get him to grow up under the Jedi training camp, then have the Jedi council give him to Obi Wan as an apprentice. Get more of the Darth Maul in there and don’t kill him off in the first movie for crying out loud… The best thing and they kill him off.. Then take all of the JarJar Binks and family out of the picture ‘cause, well anyone could’ve seen that disaster a mile away… Have a big battle were Maul kills off Qui-Jon and runs off to fight another day while Obi Wan comes in too late; Move into the second flick were Anakin continue his training with Obi Wan, we now introduce Padme who is the same age as Anakin and their love grows; We get a battle with Obi and Maul where Maul gets to buy the farm yet harms Obi Wan enough to make him too weak to fight Count Doku and Anakin tries to fight him alone ensuring a severed hand, but Doku realises what Anakin can do so he flies off to meet with the Emperor to tell him of the Boy; Emperor moves in to get the boy on his side.. Windu stands firmly against Anakin’s training and Anakin is mad enough to stand against him in front of the Council and convinces them that he will become the one who will banish the Sith forever forcing Windu to reconsider his choice but warns Obi Wan and Yoda that he is still very unstable and considers him a threat to the Jedis. We get the clones and the Fett family just as in the movie itself; Now we finish it off with Revenge of the Sith; we have moved into the future, Anakin has become a man (exit Hayden C.) He and Padme are with each other saying how once the Sith will be banished, he will leave the Jedis for good so they can finally reveal their love for one another; move in to the whole battle with Doku; Doku buys it, Emperor is impressed, moves in for the final hit against Anakin who doesn’t know what to think because he trusted him ect ect.. Emperor convinces him that the Jedis are manipulating the galaxy and not the other way around, the turn begins; Obi Wan and Anakin have a face off about the whole thing; Obi Wan tries but in vain to have him reconsider; Windu gets the message from Obi Wan, goes to confront the finally revealed Sith Emperor battle happens; when Anakin comes in Windu his about to kill the Emperor, Emperor scream at him “See, Windu his part of them! Jedi’s do not kill unarmed men and he was about to kill me! Who has been telling you the truth!?” Battle Windu vs Anakin, Anakin wins (see battle details above), he leave with Emperor when Obi Wan come in; Anakin warns Obi Wan to stay out of it and “force pushes” him into a wall knocking him out cold; Goes to kill off the Jedis ect ect.. Goes to the volcanic planet kills off every one but has been weaken by Windu; Obi Wan finds him, goes to the final showdown, cuts arms and legs, ect ect… Emperor makes him has Vader, we see Padme leaving with Senator Organa no births… we just know what comes next… End… I don’t know if many of you would’ve agreed with this kind of basic story but without all the Binks the whole things would’ve come together fine instead of what we got. He put so much stuff that we didn’t even care for or that did not bring anything to the story that the prequels just were soulless.. Anyway that’s my freakinglish long way of putting a statement that would’ve just said, Lucas has burnt out Star Wars…
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is that one day they will remake all of these Star Wars movies again. Just like they're doing to the classics right now. Sometimes they'll get it right and sometimes they won't. I really feel that the star wars movies could've been a lot darker and still pull in the crowds. No need to worry now, the shit is all done and dusted. The animated series lip syn is all out of joint anyway...!!!
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Fuck 'em. Frankly, Harry trashed JJ up and down (rightfully so) over a Superman script, and he still has access to JJ years later. You guys trashed McG up and down, and McG just praises AICN. The movie studios know that internet hype can propel or sink a movie, and the studios will continue to kiss up to this site. But if you want the fans to take this site seriously, then post honest reviews.
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If you really want to read Harry's review, it's up over on the boards at theforce.net. http://tinyurl.com/6825a7 And Harry, if you're retarded enough that you broke an embargo, just put up a fuckin note in place of the review explaining that and when it will be reposted. That simple as fuck response would go a long way toward giving you some respect as a "professional" reviewer with many people. Here. Lemme help. "My review for The Clone Wars was inadvertently posted before the embargo was lifted by Lucasfilm. I apologize but my review must be taken down until August 15 (or whenever) at which point it will be reposted in its entirety. Thanks for your understanding." SEE HOW FUCKING SIMPLE THAT IS!?!??!
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Of course kids can understand all the concepts of the original trilogy. Every kid I knew back then did! People who say that kids can't understand the concept of "the force", implications of Vader being Luke's daddy, or Han shoots first is not giving kids much credit. Dah! TRANSFORMERS THE MOVIE (the animated film back in 86) was made FOR KIDS! And the first 10 minutes HALF OF THE ORIGINAL CHARACTERS FROM THE T.V. SERIES DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And kids had no problem with it. GET USE TO IT PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A KILL BILL STAR WARS FILM! OR A HARD "R" STAR WARS FILM. The only thing wrong with the prequels was: LUCAS! Give the same exact STORY (not script) to someone else and have someone else direct it, then you would have a dam fine film.
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Sure, but Abrams and McG seem like reasonable people. Lucas doesn't.
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And please people. Don't use the "they're made for kids, not adults" bullshit excuse. A good writer can make a story directed at kids entertaining even for adults. That's what talented writers do. For reference, see a Pixar flick. Watch Animaniacs. The Goonies. Or any number of other films that are geared towards kids but were written competently enough that adults enjoy them. Saying that something is excusably bad because it was made for kids is just lazy thinking.
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I can't believe how much defending of the Prequals and defending of George Lucas I am seeing here. Every single last word that Massawyrm said was precisely true, except I always thought and still think that the true Star Wars fans ALL hate the prequals- I can't see how they couldn't. Any person that actually likes Lucas's new stuff, I can't understand. They clearly didn't understand and appreciate the original trilogy. There is nothing about the style and mood quality of the original trilogy that translated to the prequals in any way. Lucas most definately caters to the demands of his fanbase, and the fanbase only seems to be asking for one thing "We want to see even more lightsabers, and more jedis taking down entire armies and being even more badass". Jedis and Lightsabers is basically all that Star Wars has become. With the Original trilogy, Jedis were just a part of the rich tapestry of Star Wars- now it is the only thing that exists in this world- and it becomes pretty damn boring. There is nothing special about Jedis when everyone is a damn jedi and Jedis are in your face 100% of the time. George Lucas was indeed a brilliant artist at one time- how else can anyone explain the creation of the original trilogy as well as several other terrific movies he had the major role of creating. But George proves the old adage, "The Candle the burst brightest, burns half as long". He is completely wasted now- nothing he creates from this point on seems to be able to give us magic. It was time for him to stop many years ago- too bad.
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That's just bollocks. One of the early taglines was "It'll make you feel like a kid again". It's kid-friendly, no doubt and great for kids. But it wasn't made just for them. And using that as an excuse for shit is ridiculous. If Ep1 was a kid's film, what the fuck were all the political embargo council scenes that would bore the bejesus out of anyone, never mind a kid, doing in there? Politics for kids? No, it was just a shit film. Just. A. Shit. Film. It's that simple.
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Yes he made them, and he can do what he wants with them. But now you own them, so you can do what you want with them too. Remember the Phantom Editor? That, and more: tinyurl.com/ 6hycq8
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Marcia Lucas. She was the/an editor on American Grafiti, THX-1138, Star Wars, and Empire. Their marriage fell apart during the filming/post-production of Jedi. That's when and why the tone of Star Wars shifted into top-speed and never came back. She was the chief contructive critic George had, e.g. talking him into giving Kasdan and Kirschner freer hands on Empire. When she left he was "free" to amp things up the way he wanted them to be, so he poured his energies into pod-races and neglected actors and screen writing. It's a shame really, cause they were such a great team on the films they worked on. Too bad.
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Ok, maybe that's a bit harsh but still: the animated Clone Wars`was the most overrated thing in the history of the franchise. If you hated the prequels than you MUST hate that show because every concept and character in them was thought up by Lucas and not Tartakovsky. The only difference was that the cartoons didn't even bother with minimal character development (example: look at the silent episode) and the Jedi powers were ramped up to a stupid degree.
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embargo? Please someone explain.. sorry been out of the loop for sometime now..
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Star wars is made for EVERYBODY! KIDS, TEENS, ADULTS, OLD, DOGS, CATS, MIDGETS, etc.
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Sounds like The Phantom Menace to me. Acutually, sounds like the entire Prequel Trilogy.
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It's like you are inside my head, dude. Episode II should have been the CLONE WARS alone. All battles, all the time. Alas, maybe when lucas kicks it, someone can retell the prequels the way they should be.
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Bingo. Lucas will publicly whine that Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford will not unquestionably take his marching orders. The guy has no idea his well has run dry creatively and has no patience for anyone telling him otherwise.
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Did Lucas read that and somehow force Harry to take it down? Cause he was HATIN' on that shizz...
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Lucas made SW and Empire as films that he felt he would have loved as a kid. He made all further Star Wars films for what he felt HIS kids would have liked. His perception of what kids liked changed. Suddenly we got fart jokes and teddy bears. He stopped taking his properties seriously.
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Ah, so sensei. May I invite you to check out Marcia's imdb.com page? She was an assistant editor on THX. Not to take anything away from the man who directed "Return to Oz," I just figure its significant Marcia was there for the good movies, on her way out when for Jedi (which started the suck parade by recycling so much from the first movie and by introducing fuzzy wuzzies) and she was totally gone by the time of the re-releases and the prequals. I'm going to have add Return to Oz to my Netflix queue now.
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With all due respect, this is a Star Wars film made for children. It's the 21st century's Ewok Adventures and Droids. It's not supposed to be high-brow art or Blade Runner. It's a cartoon, for God's sake.
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I have to say I agree with your re-workings almost entirely. There is so much shit in the prequels that bores the hell out of me, bogs things down and should have been jettisoned if Lucas had the balls to let someone else re-work his script. And even with the cool stuff he does, he makes terrible choices with it. Just as an example - lets look at Darth Maul. I mean even the prequel haters have to admit that this is a pretty fantastic character. He looks badass, he has a double lightsabre, he flies around like a Sith assassin - this guy could have been the icon of the prequel trilogy. Instead...his screen time is minimal and Lucas kills him off at the end of film one. Fuck me Georgie boy. I mean even Maul's first fight - look how badly it was put together. He comes flying along on his hover bike in the middle of the desert - springs into action without a word beating the fuck out of Qui Gonn. YES! we think, its on now. What does Lucas do? Cuts away to another fucking CGI ship taking off! We see bits of the battle through the cockpit window of the ship! Who the fuck wants to see that shit???? Focus on the action god damn it!! Totally fucks it up.
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Did you forget that the HOLIDAY SPECIAL was out the same year as A New Hope?
It was always meant to be marketed to a younger crowd. Always. Scholastic and Buena Vista put out so many Star Wars things in the 70s and 80s, it's ridiculous.
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and that's the Rifftrax they did of it last Christmas. The entire thing is pure comic genius. Funniest one they ever did.
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Everybody spent a long time reading these Dark Horse Comics versions of Star Wars, and completely forgot that the series is not the dark-n-moody, badass thing you saw in those comics. Then they expected the prequels to be live-action versions of Dark Horse stories.
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Aug 11, 2008 11:17:28 AM CDT
So what's the explanation for this review not being pulled?
by hawaiian organ donor
An embargo is an embargo. The studio won't selectively choose what reviews can stay up. Meesa confused.
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like 10 years ago or something? I'm guessing this talkback will be gone when I hit "Post" anyways.
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allow the next generation (actually a couple younger generations by now) any enjoyment of anything genre related or are you just going to obsess about and demand auteur treatment of the "true subtext" of He-Man, Transformers, GI Joe and whatever else you used to watch while wearing Star Wars underoos? As great as it is to be a geek movie fan right now it's simultaneously the worst it has ever been vis a vis fandom.
Is it going to kill you to let some 8 year olds have their own little corner of Star Wars to enjoy or does it all have to be Jedi Pathos canon? Grow the hell up already.
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Thats all I gotta say.
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What about the emargo? AICN is sending me mixed messages.
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Sorry Massawyrm, but Dash/Han's Clone didn't die. Dash Rendar was a better pilot than Han (FACT) and a lot of people don't give him the credit he deserves.
Star Wars Cannon has him jumping to hyperdrive at the right moment to make himself appear dead, so that he didn't have to fight for the Rebellion.
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just because its a kids movie doesnt mean it has to suck. look at pixar. this is more like a shitty 80s cartoon meant to sell toys. pure cash grab shit. Lucas should be ashamed.
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And no, I, along with almost every other person in here who dislikes them didn't go in expecting the Godfather.I expected Star WarsWhat we got were three badly written, badly directed, overdesigned, badly acted, badly executed terrible movies.They didn't have a chjaracter that I gave a flying fuck about>The action sequences were so badly directed and overdesigned as to be boring.We were presented with a succession of aliens that looked like they were from a late era Hanna Barbera cartoon, scenes that served no purpose but to promote video games and scripts that were absolutely fucking diabolical.The argument is - 'you just don't like it because it wasn't the film you wanted it to be!'. Well fuck sake - duh! Of course that's why I didn't like it.Now I don't hate LucasI don't hate anyone who saw these and liked them - taste is a very personal thing but what I do hate are all those apologist cunts who can't accept that anyone who complains or gripes about the movies actually exist. That a true hatred of these films can't exist without some hidden agenda.Star Wars has gone from something I loved to something that I have absolutely no interest in because it's been ruined by a creator that couldn't make a good editorial decision if his fucking life depended on it. His lack of understanding has ruined Star Wars and it's gone some way to ruin Indy.So, next time you read someone saying that they didn't like some films with fuck all going for them - just put down your security blankets and just accept that in this world not everyone is going to like what you like - and grow up!!!
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I have been talking about an antimated series that takes place after Jedi as being something I was interested in watching. I enjoyed the hand drawn Clone Wars a few years back, but honestly I am burned out on anything "new" with the Star Wars universe. I like my original trilogy and "Revenge of the Sith", but that's it. I have seen the future of great fantasy filmmaking and his name is Guillermo del Toro.
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I dunno where you came up with that part of the review, Massa, but Lucas is definitely not listening to fanboys of any type. He's listening to Hasbro, or whoever makes him zillions on his toy lines. If he were listening to fanboys, we'd have had episodes 7-9, not a prequel...and if we'd had a prequel, it wouldn't have involved anyone remotely like JarJar, wouldn't have ruined the concept of the Force with midichlorians, and wouldn't have had Darth Motherfucking Vader howling NOOOOOO at the end of Episode III like a giant emo pussy. Also, I'd point out that Lucas only made the first one alone. He had -lots- of help with Empire and Jedi, and -that- is the issue here: he has no editor, so his films are a means to an end: how do we cram as many merchandise-able concepts and characters into two hours and still have some semblence of a plot.
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learn to deal with valid criticism. Nobody here denies Georges contribution to modern cinema, not that all of it is a good contribution, what we are saying is that he/you have made and released pure crap these last 10 years and then threw out the "its for the children" excuse. Kids or not, there isn't ONE OUNCE of magic or soul in these new films...in fact they remind me of the worst of Saturday morning, cartoons made to move product. Pixar makes "KIDS" movies...yet nobody here bitches too much about those even though Disney rakes in the Merch $$$ by the bushell. Why? Because crafted for kids or not they put the story FIRST..they tell engaging stories, they put character development before fluff (something Lucasfilms hasn't done since 1983)they are well crafted, and they have magic and soul, these are things George and Co. sold to Hasbro and the 20th Century Fox/Lucasfilms marketing machine Long Long Ago.
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I just want to know what gives. If there's an embargo in place shouldn't it affect everyone until the 15th? If places like Empire are ignoring the embargo and choosing to clash with Warners, then that's a different matter.If the embargo is selective, then why? Under what conditions did Harry and Mori see it that prevents their reviews going up that are different than the conditions that apply to Massa and Empire?I'm not calling anyone out for giving in to The Man, I'm just curious is all. And so are a lot of other people apparently.
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The way you use the word EMO, makes me want to split your face in two with a trenching shovel.
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Kind of stuff that should be seen on the Cartoon Network..
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star wars is a silly children's movie. move on.
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Not because it makes fun of retards, but because Ben Stiller is involved with it.
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Aug 11, 2008 11:38:46 AM CDT
yo conspiracy - I saw starwars when I was a kid an got it
by ironic_name
maybe you're just slow. no offense.
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even the worst prequel managed to make arguably the single best trailer of all time. The trailers for this thing make my eyes roll. It would be like making your TPM trailer all about Jar Jar hearing farts and stepping in poop... unless this cartoon has much worse parts than we are seeing, which it sounds like from Harry's review that doesn't exist. I'll probably watch this when it is free on TV, but I don't expect anything good.
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But I refuse to see this in theaters because of my hatred toward Lucas at the moment for Indy IV. Fuck him...
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Aug 11, 2008 11:44:44 AM CDT
And now that the bar has been raised by The Dark Knight,
by particularly hard vato
Perhaps these dipshits will get their acts together and realize that shoveling shit down the throats fo the fans that made them rich is not going to work anymore!
I hope and pray that the reviews tank this POS.
Thank you Massawyrn- you have confirmed my suspicions that I will not be seeing this.
It is unbelievably sad that these idiots can't get it together enough to write a story and produce a movie that people don't think sucks. This is like the Lakers going up against the Celtics in the finals- there was no excuse for such a lopsidedly piss-poor performance by LA.
George Lucas has access to the finest in production, writing and storytelling talent, and the best he can shit out is a turd of a 90 minute cartoon.
Sorry George- I saw all your prequels at midnight- I own all your movies. No more, no more.
I hope someone gets control of your franchise and stops the suckage.
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...and how we should stand up to them, but then Harry's article mysteriously disappears. Any news on why it went away?
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My friend from Art school worked on thje prequels and he tells a pretty good story or two. His two cents on why and how it went wrong is this. George Lucas lives and is surrounded by syccophants. He pays s--t and the people who work for him, are fanboys who think he is god for his older work. Several factors plahy into WHY things went wrong for George, but the largest is that he began to believe what people were saying, that he was a genius. He very well might be, read Easy riders, raging Bulls. George is quiet, introverted, he hates dealing with people, he has a vision, and is is CONSTANTLY being messed with by the studio, he completely distrusts the studio system and withdraws. AFTER success, and when his wife and he divorce, (Georges first wif is largely credited with salvaging the frist cut of Star wars, look if you will, its documented, there is a LOT off goofy s--t in that first cut, the scenes with Biggs on tatooine, the gang on the death start walking by stormtroopers, whistling and trying to look inconspicous) When George lost his wife as a critical eye and ear, he believed in only himself. he trusts only himself. Willow was terrible, and frankly, isn't it on par with ANYTHING you saw in the prequels. George has surrounded himself with people who are TERRIFIED to speak up and say, "this doesn't feel right" or "maybe if we did this" It's George's way or no way. My friend experienced it himself, the reverence for this man, the fear of countermanding him, and the lack of a good feedback system. and what my friend at ILM said was the most shocking, or maybe its not anymore, is the George lucas does not LIKE his fans. Star Wars prequels were a means to an end, a way to get more money. YEs, he had the outline, but he truly thinks the average fan is a "fanboy" and is overly critical of his work. Any why would he not, when he sits alone, in the ivory tower spire of Skywalker ranch, cut off from the world, hardly even venturing out on the INTERNET, alone in his thoughts. The loneliest man, alone with his illusions that he is the king, when the emperor has no clothes.
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Jesus fucking Christ. Just read the TB...answers are everywhere. Lazy fuck.
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looks like its going to take the #2 spot in all time domestic sometime soon aswell
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so true. thanks for the honesty...you could tell from the trailers tho.
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which details all the anxiety and fears that Lucas had during the making of Star Wars. After it's phenomenal success, Lucas became obsessed with monetary concerns.During the making of Raiders, a crew member mentioned their favorite Lucas film was THX. Lucas responded, "Why? It didn't make any money." I think he took the failure of THX so badly and personally, that after Graffiti and Star Wars, he never looked back.
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Mori and Harry have removed articles several times saying they were redundant. They can take shit down at the drop of a hat if they want to.
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Aug 11, 2008 11:52:53 AM CDT
adrian-veidt -- I followed you until "Willow is terrible..."
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Then I stopped reading.
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He doesn't like fans nor critics for a very specific reason. Check out my blog for the answer: http://mypersonalhothothot.blogspot.com/2008/04/revenge-of-george-lucas.html
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I have an 8 year old son who is jonesing to see this crap. I refuse to take him to see it, or Space Chimps for that matter. It's crap. Lucas gilded crap is still crap.
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A quote from English playright 'David Hare (via Harlan Ellison's book 'Slippage.': "The most dementing of all modern sins: the inability to distinguish excellence from success."
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This isn't any sort of review, just a complete rant by some fanboy who seems to want every chance to trash Star Wars and Lucas. Hell, I have FUCKING ZERO expectations for this POS film, and I'm a hardcore Star Wars fan. Yes, I will go see it, because I want to come to my own conclusion on how shitty (or perhaps "ok") this movie is. I've seen several reviews posted around the web, and most seem to be somewhat positive. But I agree, this shit should never have been made.
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So, that's why Anakin gets completely dismembered and his skin burned off?? Star Wars is for all ages. Saying that the more recent Star Wars material is for kids, and that's why it's silly, is such a fucking cop-out. A lot of us are not just here to merely "bash". Sure, a lot of us are here to vent. But if something sucks it needs to be criticized and judged appropriately. The prequel films had terrible writing, acting and directing across the board. It's an insult to kids to say that they are this stupid and they should just eat any tripe that is force fed to them (even though they gladly eat it anyway and make Lucas richer, but it's human nature to want to see hyped up movies and escape from reality for a while). I am pretty much over my childhood, I don't consider Lucas to be raping my childhood when he makes bad movies. Lucas and contemporary Star Wars suck and I feel I need to point it out, simple as that.
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I guess you are right then.
Sigh.
I am only relaying what my friend who was on the inside says. Yes, the artist makes the ships, BUTgeorge tells them what to do in untimately puts his "fabluloso" stamp on them. WHAT I did say was that people were afraid to tell him when things go wrong in the story. People feel like thy CAN'T speak up. And George largely does not have anyone giving him Constructive criticism, which is what artists need from time to time to get better. He hates the critics and to a certain degree, the fans too. -
"Somebody didn't get the memo." WHO CARES?!?! Read the review, shut the fuck up.
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This conflicts with every book I've ever read about Lucas and Star wars (authorized and unauthorized). Look at the money he poured into the Computer Division in the late 70s- early 80s.......he paid millions of dollars for them to develop animation technology and didnt make a cent from them until he was forced to sell them to Steve Jobs or risk going under. He loves the idea of a film community. He loves the idea of people working for him and only him. This is why he made the prequels.....to keep the community going. It was a dark time for the ranch in the 80s after Star Wars was over, I've read several accounts of his depression during this time. Now he realizes to keep his community going he has to constantly milk Star Wars. After the prequels were over he realized the only way to keep many of the animators and designers working was to begin developing a Star Wars live action show. Its not about money for him........its about keeping the dream of a filmmaking ranch alive. You can go ahead and say everything he touches these days is shit, but the accusation he does this for financial gain is just untrue. He wanted to start doing his small personal independent films two decades ago. He just feels an obligation to his employees to keep them working. And I don't believe that comment he made about THX....maybe he said it, but he couldnt have been serious. He fucking loves that film and has called it his best film on several occasions.
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Thanks dude! I was hoping that I wasn't the only one thinking that way. I knew many people didn't like the whole prequel trilogy, but to see it the way I was hoping for it to come about! Hope we can gather more troops on our side!!
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so someone here refuses to let their 8yr old kid see movies because they think it looks stupid? so the kid's interest or opinion of them doesnt matter at all? i mean its one think if the parent thinks it isnt appropriate but refusing simply because it doesnt interest you? wow...if my parents did that to me, i wouldnt have seen 90% of the movies they took me too.
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Good observation on the Dark Horse Comics. And ESPECIALLY on the vampire things. Anne Rice essentially invented the modern "vampire in love with humanity." The last two generations of filmgoers and readers that have come into the genre no longer see the vampire as a monster, just as an immortal goth pussy who only drinks blood from rats and criminals. Bah.
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Aug 11, 2008 12:07:05 PM CDT
thats fucked up to not let a kid see this if he wants to....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
what a fucking prick Father you must be...
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The real problem lies in the fact that total assholes like Silverfinger, Jew Hunter, Egg Salad...they didn't get banned after ridiculous racist comments that were repeated over and over again. That's what I don't understand. I mean, these posts were in top ten threads, it's not like they weren't seen by tons of people. I've got to think that the mods patrol those pretty regularly.
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To see what Lucas wanted. That's pretty much it. That's something I respect in filmmakers, or any artists, for that matter-- not giving the audience what they want, just because they want it. Otherwise, it's very easy to fall into the trap of playing everything to the lowest-common denominator.
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Once again we have the bare faced hypocrisy, idiocy and double standards when it comes to Lucas/ Star Wars. if this cartoon is good (and many indications from other reviews elsewhere are that it is) it's because lucas didn't direct it; if its shit its all lucas' fault and a way to make money off merchandising. i am glad that lucas pays no attention to the slavering fanboys, because quite frankly their 'ideas' are no better than what lucas served up - if they had their way the prequels would be about 6 hours of boba fett fighting 3 clones of darth maul or something, and that's only a slight exaggeration. its no surprise that lucas detests the fanboys. given the constant hatred they spew towards him, and their greedy sense of entitlement its no wonder he has contempt for them. a good portion of them (of course, this doesn't apply to everyone) seem like absolute dickheads. personally, i'll probably skip clone wars and wait for the dvd-it could be fun but imo theatrical star wars should be reserved for live action alone and should have been left with rots. i can't see it doing all that well either. i don't think there's a great awareness of this from the public at large and the cartoon format will put adults off. but so be it. by the way, my dog worked for lucas as his assistant; he has his own theories on why star wars went downhill, too. it wasn't yes men, or lucas losing his touch, or merchandising, or whatever. it was the fans. they sucked all the fun and joy out of the thing with their endless whining and online babble. or so he says, woof woof.
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You did not have to waste 1.5 hours of your life finding out is sucks.
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Are you not bring your kid to see this because you think it's inappropriate for him or because you don't like the quality level of the product associated with Lucas' name now?
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"Clone Wars" is specifically a kids cartoon meant to be taken in 22-minute doses, aired on Cartoon Network. Not Adult Swim. Not HBO. A cartoon on Cartoon Network. (I'll leave the prequels out of this although the intent was clear if flawed in execution...rope in the 5-10 year old age group with Phantom Menace, then gradually increase the graphic content over the six-years between Eps 1-3 when the kid who saw Ep 1 was six years older and therefore more likely to properly absorb lil' Anakin chopping fools body parts off. Whatever the SW MOVIES were, the CLONE WARS television series is for kids. Adults can watch it with them if they're childish enough, but it's a kids TV show for kids. Putting four episodes together, calling it a movie, and releasing it in a theater does not change that. Is it bad? Maybe. But it can't be eveluated on the same scale as the movies.
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Amen.
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Your comments alternate between incisive and entertaining. Keep up the good work. By the way, has the phrase "shitloads of cock" caught on yet?
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fanboy whining is to blame for The Phantom Menace? really? I seem to remember that fanboys were absolutely wetting themselves in anticipation for this film. EVERYONE was immensly positive about going back to do the prequels before this film came out. It was the fanboys which made it open so massive to such massive expectation. Why then did it turn out the way it did? The fanboys only started to turn after that came out and was less than exemplary.
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Even if it was originally designed to 'make you feel like a kid again", there's no reason it can't be made for adults. Surprise, grown ups like sci-fi too. Why can't we have more Star Wars films like Empire Stikes Back? That was the shit, made for young and old, didn't patronize or over-dramatize, and it went down as a classic.
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Aug 11, 2008 12:17:51 PM CDT
I bet Laughing Irishman makes his son watch football....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...with him for hours. And then he says shit like, "Get me a cold one from the fridge boy...." Fucking douchbag. One day he'll write a book about you!! You'll be sorry!!
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Of course Toys have been a part of SW from the begining...but until around the time of Ewoks they were never the focus...Story was. As others have said THANK GOD FOR MARCIA LUCAS..SHe was a prime reason SW didn't decline before it did. Today Lucas is nothing but a Merchandise designer..no longer capable of telling a decent story, unwilling to see his own faults and bring in outside help, and hating us all for reminding him exactly how special the originals were, as they only serve to remind him of his loss of creativity and his failed marriage..the destruction of which he blames on these very movies, and the fans who love them. The Prequels are bad films, the new stuff coming out looks to be worse, and Lucas is determined to milk every last drop of good will that is left from the OT before he then discards his hated creations forever. The man is a sadist...I really believe he enjoys destroying SW while squeezing the last $ from its carcass, worse, I think the guy gets off on pissing off the fans that loved it. As I said..he blames SW and us for Marcia walking out.
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Was that after nine years they finally fucking ended... these new cartoons have now taken the only joy the prequels ever gave me. For shame.
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I think if some of the more pronounced idiots on this site got banned for spewing the hate, perhaps less outrage from this past weekend would have been upon us?
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..Total Film AND Empire both have their reviews up.3 stars apiece...
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That's what I was thinking after you wrote that Danny Boy...
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You could tell this was going to be a rancid turd from the very first images.
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You just personally don't like the phrase so you want to scare everyone out of using it.
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alongside the Holiday Special, the Ewoks and Droids TV series, Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor as wack Star Wars spin-offs.
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Harry had to take his review down.
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is a pretty decent Flash Gordon flick.
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...that idea which was floating around about the "100 hours" worth of live-action Star Wars TV show that they were going to make taking place between Episodes 3 and 4? I thought that was an interesting Idea...As for Clone Wars, I'll catch it on DVD and I'm sure I'll enjoy it as well as the new animated series. I'm a Star Wars kid. I even enjoyed watching that terrible Christmas special with Chewbacca's family. I don't care, if it's Star Wars, I'll watch it!
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George hates Star Wars and the fans because he blames them for destroying his marriage. Hhhhhmmmmmm.......
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Fuck you.
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If it's meant to be on Cartoon Network, then how come the original Clone Wars (also on Cartoon Network) is awesome and this one sucks balls? Just saying that it's on Cartoon Network doesn't excuse mediocraty, you know. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the original Clone Wars CArtoon is better than the entire Prequel Trilogy. I'm so sick of you people excusing garbage by saying "It's for kids".
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That's news how???
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Well for one, I don't drink. And for two, I refuse to pay 10 dollars at a theater, then 12 dollars for the 'snacks' to watch crap. However, I will use my blockbuster combo pass to 'rent' it for him. But I'm not shillin' out 25+ to see it in a theater.
I may however take him if it makes it to the dollar theater. But, as i said, 25+(more then the dvd will cost) is a bit too much for what looks to be a crap movie.
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I persevered with the Prequels because I saw an improvement with Clones and thought Lucas might fully redeem himself with ROTS. But sadly he didn't.
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It is a conundrum. It sort of seems sad, but the fact is that this movie is garbage. I remember when I was a kid, my dad strongly urged me to never watch the Rankin Bass version of the Hobbit. He said that it would change my imagination for the worse of the Hobbit. Diddo for Return of the King. And to date, I have never seen it, and I thank him his excellent advice, praise his zombie bones.
So for this "The Clone Wars"... Well My daughter is almost 3 years old, so not old enough to care about this stupid movie. But if she were, I would be strongly urging her not to watch this or any of the Prequal trilogy. I think it hurts our imagination of what Star Wars is. I have only seen Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith once each in my life, and I never intend to watch them again- and I won't ever be seeing this "Clone Wars". I think these movies do a great disevice to a previously beautiful and magical story. if my daughter was of age and she wanted to see "The Clone Wars" I would eventually agree, but only after I strongly urged her to never taint her mind with such junk. I would hope that she would be smart enough to take to heart my good advice. Let your kids see these movies, but only after you have told them your side of the story. -
Aug 11, 2008 12:30:05 PM CDT
"elements clearly aimed at children and nothing but children"
by thunderbolt ross
In Star Wars? How about laser guns and space ships whizzing all over the place? How about every name in the movie? ETC ETC. Ewoks the first thing solely for kids? What does that even mean, that he didn't want them to appeal to adults? Bizarre. Read anything Lucas ever said about SW from day one. It's aimed at 12 year old boys.
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If I had to sit through Pokemon with my daughter, you sir, can sit through this!!
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who actually felt let down in 1983 when we saw Return of the Jedi and it SUCKED. The reason is... because it's horrible. It took everything that was cool about Star Wars and made it stereotypical, silly, and dead. Then came Willow and it SUCKED.
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They think because kids will watch it they have to have utter stupid shit in it. Like farting characters or a tween bitch spewing out dialogue. Kids don't really give a shit about this stuff they want to see some sweet action and etc. All this "IT'S FOR KIDS" stuff is by pussy fucks with kids who are afraid of EVERYTHING thinking it will fuck their kids up somehow. Think about how you grew up and what movies you watched... Also I hate how kids have dominated everyones approach to movies. Like when the Dark Knight first came out and the news would have headlines like: "Is the Dark Knight too dark for kids?" who cares? Fuck them that movie was made for intelligent people looking to see a good movie. Sorry they got rid of the neon lights and shitty dialogue from the previous Forever and Robin movies, which I'm sure everyone considered kid friendly.
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Thanks to both of you. Will go and check out the post about the embargo! ANd thanks to everyones else who made me regress in horror by mentionning the latest Indy film... Aliens? Really?!? C'mon I thought that was a replication of the first X-Files movies but with sand and people standing up... And the whole kid thing.. c'mon... They should've brought back the Vietnamese kid instead.. He grew up became an archeologist like Indy, discovers the Crystal Skull (just not freaking alien!) and needs Indy to help him out of trouble with the people who want it! If you're going to do a reunion with the first chick, then at least pull in the best of the second flick, the kid.
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Lucas even kept referring it to a Disney film.
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It's funny how hope springs eternal in Star Wars projects. The idea of a series set between RotS and ANH sounds like shit-kicking awesome. Show me the ongoing Jedi purge, the oppression of the Empire, the growing xenophobia, etc. Hell, the msot obvious models for a series like that that come to my mind are Rome and Battlestar Galactica. I could definitely get into that. So, before I start writing scripts in my head what is the deal on that live tv show? Anyone got any info?
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Are you in financial poor shape?
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Jedi might not be the best of all the original Star Wars flicks, but Rickey will take it over ROTS any day of the week. Let's not get too retroactive with our contempt for Lucas--there was a time when he wasn't completely creatively bankrupt.
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While some elements of the original CLONE WARS were pretty cool, a lot of it was boring, dull eye candy...when it was even eye-candy (not all of the design decisions were what I'd call dynamic or interesting.) The only sequences truly worth watching were the first few segments with the Clone Troopers and Obi-Wan. After that it sort of went downhill and as it progressed into the second season it got worse. The Jedi were ridiculously overpowered with to a videogame sensibility (surprise surprise) and what it boiled down to was a series of interchangeable Jedi as Super-Samurai Jack with Star Wars elements thrown in. Cool if you're into that, not if you're not.
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I'm glad you said it instead of me. I'm sick of the "OT" being venerated when 1/3 of it is ordinary at best. Without the goodwill and familiarity built up from SW and ESB, it's 75% lame.
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the trailer looked pretty bad.
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who made the Star Wars Lego game for the Xbox360 and PS3 make a full length Star Wars Lego character movie. Now THAT would have been great. I was at Star Wars Weekend in Disney this summer and Dave Filonia was a "Guest of Honor" during a parade. His car passed about 2 feet in front of me and I just started at him stone faced and screamed "it better not suck". He smiled sheepishly. Apparently he knew it was going to.
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I've never really been as into Star Wars as some. I've seen the six movies, played the three Rogue Sqadron games, and watched the first half of the animated Clone Wars series and was kinda bored by it.
But I still don't understand how people can defend the prequels, saying that it's "just Star Wars" and was never meant to be anything more than Jedis and Sith lords and Wookies dueling and fighing and discussing the Force. Guys, they're bad films. They're just... poorly made movies. Wooden acting, wooden dialogue, wooden action (except for part three - I must say I enjoyed the final duel), and kind of boring to watch.
I mean, let's be realistic. Even the old Star Wars suffers from some of the same problems. Some of the lines in those movies are laughable, and I wouldn't say the performances are top notch either. But it has a sense of wonder and excitement. The films move at a brisk pace. Mostly everything has a point. And the Battle of Hoth is still one of the most exiting fights I can watch. The other Star Wars films are stale and take whatever problems the original trilogy had was only increased tenfold. I'll wrap up my statement with my personal summary of Episode III, using only four lines from the film:
"You're so... beautiful."
"It's only because I'm so in love [WTF?]"
"No. It's because I'm so in love with you."
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I totally expected this project to be shit. You wrote exactly what I feared this movie would be. Thanks bro, you just saved me $10.
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Aug 11, 2008 12:44:18 PM CDT
remember michael caine singing "its over" in little birdy?
by ironic_name
when I think star wars, I hear that in my head.
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You are correct when you state that I am upset that Lucas didn't make the films I wanted him to make. I wanted films that were well written and could be enjoyed by the whole family. Kids could have all the fun adventure stuff, with additional layers of storytelling utilizing thematic and character arcs. But Lucas didn't make that. He made three crappy films.
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I've sat through Yu-Gi-Yoh, Pokemon, Power Rangers, and all sorts of other garbage for and with my kid. I however, won't shill out 25.00+ for over rated crap. If it is coming on cartoon network, that's different. I'll sit with him and watch it. We'll talk about it, what he liked, what he didn't, what I liked, what I didn't. We do it all the time. So, I would appriciate the cockstains that should have been swallowed not criticise the way I raise my kids. I also have a daughter whom I've sat through that retarded horse cartoon on WB, my little pony, care bears, and various other things. I however refuse to let her watch things like Bratz, Polly Pocket or any other such thing, why? Because I refuse to raise a little girl who thinks it's okay to dress like a whore at 12 years old. Flat out. It's my job not to provide my children with everything they want, but to educate them and teach them what's right and wrong, to think for themselves. As with my son, I have all the released Tick cartoons on DVD and the Tick Live action series. He HATES the live action, and loves the Cartoon. He gets it, and understands it, but realizes it is crap. He watched the Original Transformers Movie when he was 3, and has watched it many many times and told me, without my asking, that, "Optimus Prime looks stupid, he's not supposed to be purple with flames..." He's seen all the prequels, loves attack of the clones, hate TPM and RotS. Says they are boring. so, I'll let him watch Clone Wars cartoon, but I'll be damned, as I said, if I'm going to pay 25.00+ for tickets.
Anyway, i'm done with that rant.
I lvoe my kids, my kids love me, so fuck off for attacking the way I spend MY money and how I raise my kids. -
kids should be able to enjoy or not enjoy a movie based on their own opinion of it. i totally understand why you'd wanna warn your kid over certain movies but let her see what she wants to see. if she hates it too then you can both rejoice in her awesome taste :P but its possible she'll like it too and thats ok as well. its one thing to restrict what your children see based on content, but they shouldnt be kept away from things simply because the parent didnt like it or thinks it'll be stupid or whatnot. of course your kid's only 3 so thats different right now but that other guy with the 8yr old, thats just sad and wrong. let kids be kids as far as movies go, let em watch all the shit they want to, let them decide if its shit or not. i realize this usually means you'll have to suffer by watching too but them's the breaks.
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Crappily written fanboy reviews from a humorless prick. Breathless hollywood news sycophancy from a dude trying make a name for himself. Rickey could do better. A three legged blind dog with a learning disability could do better. So what if the reviews don't have all the dick jokes that you'd find here at AICN? That's the whole reason most of us read reviews at AICN--their bombast and wackyness. It's two layers of entertainment: entertaining reviews and news about ideally entertaining movies. It's a shtick. Don't like it? Tough luck. The only traffic that Nuked the Fridge site will ever get is from a half dozen AICN people looking for a new forum to be jackasses in.
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Aug 11, 2008 12:49:44 PM CDT
fartman90039 -- you should not be banned, you should be flogged
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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It is the only way.
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I find it ironic that 90 percent of the whiny film geeks in here bitch and complain about the prequels and still went out to buy those same movies on DVD. Chances are, they've re-watched Revenge of the Sith dozens of times and then complain about it on the Internet. "Worst. Movie. Ever. Now I think I'll go watch it 10 more times."
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Finances are good, but I don't have the money to throw away on garbage. I'm military. LOL
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This is when the end really began for Star Wars. When Lucas sought to improve the original films by adding more CGI, and redundant scenes (jabba??), and of course Greedo Shooting first. At that point it was easy to figure out that the guy had no clue how to deal with the material, since he went back to make changes for no reason. Mos Eisley went from being a sparsley populated space port in the middle of nowhere to the home of Jurassic Park Dinosaurs and tiny flying robots. In ESB we were given an additional scene of Vader landing on the Super Star Destroyer that was actually an outake from the first scene of Vader's arrival on the 2nd Death Star in Jedi. A scream that sounded like voice over work by the guy who does Goofy for Disney was added to the scene where Luke jumped off the platform after finding out Vader was his father. An even worse music number was added to Jedi, that actually made the SFX work in Mars Attacks look groundbreaking. People (me included) going to see these re-releses Lucas that shoddy SFX was what the public really wanted.
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Since when did we let our children run roughshod over our lives? Don't want to take your kid to see a shitty movie? THEN DON'T! See, you're the adult. You make the money. That kid doesn't make shit! If you really have to cave in to the kid, give him 10 bucks, drop him off at the theater and say "Gee, kid, I'd love to see that shitty new CGI movie with you, but I'd rather eat a gun. Here's ten bucks. I'm going to the strip club to look at naked ladies. I'll see you in a few hours. Maybe." See that wasn't so hard, was it?
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I just wanted to post before this piece gets pulled. Things like this happens when all the contributors can post there own columns independently - left hand doesn't know what the right is doing, Mori slams people.... It's anarchy.
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and the star wars is for kids argument is bullshit that only diehard star wars fans use to try and justify the shit lucas has been putting out for the last 10 yrs
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I went once and hated it. Maybe because I'm so attatched and used to AICN but I just did not enjoy it. Someone please ban fartman.
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Mr. Special Edition must not approve of this message.
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For the record, according to lore, Harry didn't cry during Armageddon. He actually openly wept in the men's bathroom of the movie theater after the film concluded. Get it right fucko.
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shitty site. Horrible. I do wander off to CHUD and joBlo but for some reason, i have a soft spot for AICN. It seems to be coming apart at the seems with this Embargo Crap.
OBSD...THANK YOU! -
Just because somethings aimed at kids doesn't give it a license to be utter shit.
Can't believe there are still some truly deluded people who think anything with a star wars name on it gets a free pass. That ended soooooo long ago.
Poor George Lucas. Yes he's rich as croesus but he's not needed the cash for decades so enhancing his Legacy as a filmmaker seemed to be what he had left and was all.
Every new project like this kills his reputation just a bit more.
The final nail in the coffin will be announcing the last 3 Movies set after Jedi wil be getting made after all.
After this I wouldn't put it past Lucas to have Jar Jar Binks's son (lil Twunt Twunt Binksy) starring in Episode 7. "Money for old Rope" -
you sure are a douche.
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Okay he WILL be banned for spamming sooner or later today just please make it sooner as his pathetic cries for help and attention are painfully embarrassing to hvbe to watch.
I take he must truly loathe the site with the lame name he keeps plugging. As only the most retarded humongoloid in the world would visit a site after a peurile juvenile brainless spammer like him recommended it. -
George Lucas isn't the problem. Even though he's pimping the franchise for what it's worth, he's still making the movies he intended to make. We're the ones with the problem. We're the ones who've been spoiled. George Lucas broke new ground with Star Wars and other directors and storytellers kept raising the bar after him and during that time we all grew up. We were all expecting something more when the prequals came out. George Lucas though was still going to make the movie that he had in mind. Who's to say that if had made the prequals first 30 years ago, that this isn't what we would have gotten? He went and blew his load on Episodes IV, V, and VI instead. So now we have the prequals where we pretty much know what the fate of the characters are. We know that Obi Wan and Yoda are the only two suriving Jedi. We know that Alderan is going to be blown up. We know that Padme was going to die because she was never in the OT. Also, everyone says how bad ass Darth Vader is and that they were so let down by Anakin. Well Anakin was a young confused man and there is still 19 years between Episode III and Episode IV for him to go from his bitchassness to his badassness. And I don't know why the hell you are all surprised anyway because Episode IV wasn't that great anyway and he wrote and directed that. So what is all this bitching about.
Oh and as far as the original moving being for kids.... It was. It was a fun family film that had a crap load of action figures and toys to go along with them. Which leads me to what some people said about Lucas selling out. Are you mad! He's been pimping this whore called Star Wars since day one. It was in the original contract. Fox would get all the money from the movie, and he would get the money from merchandising. -
The link for this thread os off the main AICN page. Interesting. Do you suppose if the talkback continues, it will show up on the most discussed TBs?
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we can only try
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Possibly.
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baby
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There really isn't much more to be said. George loves the money that is generated by the SW universe. It has obviously blinded him to the fact that quantity is not better than quality. He has too much power, and has quite possibly turned to the Dark Side himself. The hatred from the fanboys has turned him into the darkest version of himself. He is like the Emperor. Only when he steps away from Star Wars completely will he be free of the evil Lucasfilm Ltd. has become.
George... let go. If there was no Star Wars for 10 years, the people might come back to your side. But you can't let go, can you? -
Maybe.
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I mean, if I had a property that people would buy no matter what I did with that porperty, I'd be pumping out crap every couple months, too.
I just wish George would realize that it is possible to make a film that takes itself seriously that works for all audiences. Look at Ironman. That film captured the qualities of SW and Indiana Jones better than Indy 4 did. There isn't a need to pander to kids with fart jokes for kids to enjoy a film. I know... I saw Star Wars when I was 7 and I loved it. I got it. Yes, it a film that kids could understand and enjoy - and Chewbaca never farted once. There is no doubt in my mind that George would have Chewie fart in the cockpit of the Millinium Falcon if Ep 4 was released today. Chewie would fart, and Han would say " Damn Chewie... not again" while waving his hands in front of his nose.
SW and ESB had humor - it just wasn't pandering to 7 year olds. Thats the difference. George does not think kids today can handle a more serious film. His ideas of what kids like changed when he had kids of his own. He was closer when he made films that he felt HE would have liked when he was a kid. -
You guys know the backdoors of this site better than we do...
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this embargo seems to only apply to AICN writers giving Clone Wars negative reviews. Interesting.....
The story has been removed from the front page, the TB cannot be accessed via the link on the left, but its still accessible somehow. To all the guys at AICN - you better have a good explanation for this (and I genuinely hope that you do) because your credibility is taking one hell of a beating. -
I've just keep refreshing this page. Or if I go somewhere else, the "back" button takes me back here. I know almost nothing about the tubes except for how to find porn.
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I've been refreshing this page, never leaving it. So, that's why I have the ADDY and why I'm still able to be here. LOL
Massawyrm, nice review.
As far as this property, I think that if it were just a Cartoon Network project, then it wouldn't be the big deal it has become. However, it's not, they're trying to get people to pay money for it. THAT is where the problem lies. Not within the film itself, but within the marketing and cash grab. Lucas believe SW fans and suckers, lets see if he is correct.
Tally the Box office. -
I of course mean link on the right, regarding Top Talkbacks.
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That was a pretty spot on review, as well as a spot-on depiction of the Prequels. Fan-fiction indeed!
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I'm trying to get the full story now.
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No back doors. But this thread is still listed in top TBs.
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that Lucas does not want the world to know that his latest film may not be what his devoted fanboys wished for. I would guess that he does not want negative buzz impacting on the box office numbers. I would guess this is because he long since gave up worrying about artistic merit and only about the gazillions he can make from the goons he so despises. Please let the truth be known AICN - if Lucas is shutting down these reviews because of nothing more than chasing more money then he has become as much a force for evil as the studio system he once so despised.
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It would be nice if someone here could!
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let it be said, i've been a lurker here for the past 6 years and am disturbed by this embargoes turn of events. My next question is, have then been other embargoes before that we haven't known about? I think this whole issue may be AICN's "Metallica v. Napster".
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Who run Bartertown?
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You are 100% correct. If this were just a Cartoon Network show - people might not cream about it, but there wouldn't be a huge backlash against Lucas for it. He's going to make another fortune on merch anyway. Why release something you know is inferior in theaters? To Make Money.
I'm as guilty as the next SW fan. I have supported Lucas in ever endeveur. Hell, I even saw Radioland Murders in the theater. I bought the SW trilogy on VHS, LaserDisc, DVD. I just wish he'd do something new and fresh again.
Lucas changed the way we experience film. It's becuase of him that we have surround sound and Home Theater. but he hasn't kept on top of his own Empire. His name does not convey the quality that it did in the 70's, and 80's.
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Ummm....I liked that movie. *hides* It and Hudsucker Proxy are two guilty pleasures of mine.
But yes, Lucas needs to move on. Build a NEW franchise. Hell, I'd love to see him take on Enders Game or The John Ringo/David Weber epic "March..." series. Great characters, great world...something new please. -
But since the posted reviews here were very positive, they didn't get pulled.
Isn't that odd?
Thank's Harry nad Massa for trying to point out that this isn't what it should have been. Now please post an even more distruptive review on the 15th. You must unleash your full powers of destruction at 12:01 on the 15th.
But seriously, I understand why you have to pull the reviews if you want to get any information from these freakin' studios in the future. It just doesn't make the studios any less lame. -
is it worth a look?
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"Are you an angel?"
"I'm Bonza Madrid, bitch."
Slap, then beat down. -
Banza Madrid is the Panamanian Hump-Hump girl that seduced John McCain's dad. True story.
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I love Ender's Game. Now there's a story that doesn't pander to kids. Lucas would fully destroy that story. If Jake Lloyd had been cast as Ender, I would have plotted the destruction of the Death St... I mean Lucasfilm myself.
...and actually Radioland Murders wasn't that bad - I was using it as a point. It wasn't great either. It was so built up as the new Lucas property at the time - much like Howard the Duck (which is also a guilty pleasure), but have you ever seen it mentioned in connection with Lucas since?
I just think that Money has killed Lucas' imagination. He has imaginative people working for him - without a doubt. But he has become everything he rallied against in the 80's. The studio head that just wants to make money for his company. -
Actually, you're probably right. Enders Game was actually quite brutal and dark and he'd probably change the whole last act of the book, which, when it was revealed, I went, "HOLY SHIT!"
I finally read it 2 months ago, I knew nothing of it, other then a friend of mine saying, "You want a good book? Read Enders Game..." So I did and was very impressed. -
Honestly, i didn't know Radioland was a Lucas property until you mentioned it.
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Continue the series. Speaker For The Dead will blow your mind. The further books aren't quite at the same calibur. They are longer... but I read Ender about 12 years ago, it was great - then I could not put down Speaker For the Dead until I got to the end. It is amazing - and while there are obvious problems bringing Ender to the screen - SFTD would be nearly unfilmable.
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Sci-Fi classic, Hugo Award winner, and I dread the day someone tries to put this in theaters as a Harry Potter inspace with aliens instead of magic. I'd like a HBO miniseries- Or for Kubrick to rise form the grave and direct.
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Ender's Shadow was great. Tells the story of Ender's Game from another students eyes. Very worthy.
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that a longer book is inferior...
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Yeah, i think the whole series is unfilmable, espescially once they get to the Officer Academy...how would you film that and appeal to the mainstream?
They'd screw it up the way they are screwing up the Sword of Truth books and the way they raped Dragonlance. -
Supposedly has been writing various versions of a script for Ender for years. Wolfgang Peterson was attatched to direct for like 5 years before bailing. Supposedly the script is a culmination of Enders Game and Ender's Shadow. You know someday that film is going to be made, and multiple idiots will feel the need to talk about the ending - just because they can.
Later this year there is a new Ender book coming out that is a direct sequel to Enders Game taking place before SFTD. Should be interesting.
A lot of people on AICN talkbacks give OSC a lot of shit becuase of his politics, but the guys is a great writer. He has no love for George Lucas, either. -
My eyes started to cross. Of course that was almost 20 years ago, So maybe I'd dig them now. Ender's Game was awesome, though I read it 4 or 5 times in my teens. Always wondered if the Bugs were the same Bugs from Starship Troopers.
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You show me ANY kid who gets excited when he reads the following in a title crawl: "THE TAXATION OF TRADE ROUTES IS IN DISPUTE..." and I'll show you a kid who probably gets beat up every other day. Or at least embargoed!
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I've come to the point in my beliefs that, I don't care about an entertainers beliefs. I don't listen to their politics. If I like their book or movie or music, then I like their book their movie or music.
There is also a Comic being made right now of Enders Game, can't wait to see how they do it. -
Ha! I'm 30 and I couldn't stand the first set of SW books because they read just like that. :p
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Keep this invisible thread going. See y'all in a bit.
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That was going to be an animated film, wasn't it? Didn't George but the kabosh on that? It seems as if he's much more in love with the Prequel trilogy than he is the OT trilogy. Is that because he's had more control?
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I said I would allow my kid to see it, and let her decide if she liked it or not. You seem to have missed that part. I only said that before I did, I would give her a strong warning that she would be better off not seeing it at all. I listened to my dad warn me about certain stupid movies, and I decided he was right, and I am glad I listened to him. If my daughter chooses not to listen to me on something so harmless as a movie, I'm not going to try to control that too much.
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It was removed. Only the ghost TB remains.
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Orcus,
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HAHAHAHA
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Don't tease us. Play nice.
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Never said it was wrong to tell, just that you've seen things. *nudge*
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Sorry. Just going to say - Good to see Orcus back.
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Orcus might get banned again for posting in an invisible talkback?
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Safest place, I meant. Oh well. It's just another post that no one will ever see.
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We're in some alternate dimension of the internet, on an invisible talkback to a non-existent article. We're in uncharted territory my brothers. Watch yourselves....
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Is there anyone out there that doesn't really WANT SW to be good again? That is what disapoints me the most. I used to love the great discussions about Star Wars, and the love that SW fans had for the story, the characters, and the whole experience.
Now things are different. It is cool to talk smack about SW because of the Prequel Pain. You can't like SW anymore here and not have someone call you a fucktard or something.
I'm tired of the bitching. I'm tired of myself bitching. I want Star Wars to be cool again, and I'm afraid that George might be in danger of going past the point of no return. Very soon. The live action TV show will possibly be the last nail in the coffin.
But I truly hope not. You realize, of course, George will release the first two episodes of the live action series in the theater, too. -
Sneaking around.
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http://tinyurl.com/578stp
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That article will cause more damage to this film than leaving the original post up.
That is hilarious!
However, any love given towards AICN from Lucasfilm is now over. Sad. -
You should post a link to that article as a top story. It will not be your review posted on the site. Only a link to a USA Today article with the same sentiment.
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After my last post at 4:20... everyone disappeared. What were you all doing at 4:20?
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I was talking to a friend of mine, old SW fan and he said he wasn't going. This reviews of Clone Wars are convincing me not to go watch it and wait for my fool of a cosplaying friend to buy as he is such a fanboy.
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But where is gotilk? I'll go check.
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Sorry it took awhile to get back here. I was at work and started having trouble getting in here. And I got very busy. Working. I'm at home now. It was a bit tricky, but I got back in! I have to admit it's kind of weird posting here. Feels like a big-box store after closing time. It's dark and everyone's gone home. As to your question, Orcus. People were reposting Harry's Clone Wars review in the "These Do-Gooders Have Gone Full Retard! Free Speech Is Under Attack!" article. Which was deemed a "no-no". Mori said anyone doing that was gone because the Clone Wars reviews were embargoed until the 15th. The TBers were agitated. Mori was agitated. Uncapie was REALLY agitated and went off on Harry, calling him a hypocrite! Then Mori threw it right back in Uncapie's face! It just kept escalating. There were even some dogs and cats living together. I doubt we'll ever see Uncapie reviewing any movies on this site again. Twas quite a night for free speech.
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Should I start a campfire and wait around or something? I need to get some fixin's for makin' s'mores.
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anybody else like tits
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I'm bring ghosty back!
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Not sure what you mean by "Which thread"? It happened when the TB for this story http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37873 was taken over by TBers wondering where Harry's Clone Wars review had gone and why. Then hilarity ensued.
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Happy to help. I wonder if this TB will still be attached to the Wyrm's review when it resurfaces on friday?
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I hope so.
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Not yet.
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Can't come soon enough.
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Modern technology gives us the ability to express ourselves to the world and what happens? Be here at 12:01am and find out. It won't be pretty...
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Damn it.
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Anybody? It's Friday...
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It's the lost talkback... *sigh*
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