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A New Writer for SCREAM 3
Harry here... Hmmmm... this sounds... um... disturbing. Has anybody heard anything more on this? I know most of you have almost zero faith in Ehren Kruger, but I can vouch for the man... well at least for ARLINGTON ROAD, which is one of the most claustrophobic intense films I've seen. Who knows, perhaps this'll be for the best.... What do you folks think?
Smithington here.In L.A for a month so enjoying the most I caN! The news
just broke on www.Scream-trilogy.com that Kevin Williamson won't write
Scream 3. He handed Miramax a 30 page outline of the movie but he didn't
finish the whole script. The stars Neve, Courtney and David and also the
director Craven are still connected with the movie. Miramax has hired Ehren
Kruger, who wrote "Arlington Road" and Miramax's upcoming "Reindeer Games,"
to draft a shooting script. Fans are already saying that Williamson is too
lazy. But he is caught up in post production of "Teaching Mrs. Tingle" and
"WasteLAnd"(which I saw advanced screenings off and thier both not up to
Williamson's previous projects). With Kruger the film is supposedly taken a
more serious look with suspense not with gore. Even though I think Kruger
will do a great job I think Williamsons style will be missing-oh well at
least Craven didn't quit.Williamson has been getting kind of hackish with
his latest projects so maybe it's a good thing. It will be neat to see a
Scream film with a serious tone. Scream 3 is scheduled to be realesed for
sometime in Decemeber and Miramax is sticking to it.
Smithington
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sounds OK to me.
It's not like Williamson is the master of horror and suspense and I like the idea that the next Scream will be a little more suspenseful. Also, it's hard to forgive Williamson for what he did with Randy in Scream 2.
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This is the best news I've heard in a while. I've REALLY been looking forward to Reindeer Games with the great cast and concept. Frankenheimer said it was the best script he's ever read. I've been trying to find a script of it or Arlington Road but can't find anything, can someone help me out? I KNOW that Kruger is gonna make a script which is gonna be twice as good as the first one and he might even actually make it SCARY and INTELLIGENT and UNPREDICTABLE and REALISTIC. Wouldn't that be surprising for a change with all the weak as hell horror movies coming out, I can't remember a great one since Hellraiser 2 besides Event Horizon which was totally dumbed down and destroyed by the music video director. I hope he uses psychological horror and violence instead of just intestines and stabbings and it's nice to see Williamson's fifteen minutes about to end. You would have to put me in one of those devices on A Clockwork Orange to make me see a Kevin Williamson film in the theater. If anyone can direct me to somewhere with the Arlington Road or Reindeer Games scripts I would really appreaciate it.
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Craven and Kruger....together again.
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I think Kruger will do a good job of writing the script for the third installment to the scream franchise. Don't get me wrong, I think kevin Williamson is a cool writer but if he's busy with other projects he's not going to be able to put his best into the movie - he would have to rush the script! Whereas Kruger will probably write an intelligent slasher flick and do the movies proud. I'll be looking forward to Scream 3, but for the mean time I'll just go and watch Star Wars E1 over and over again because it's a classic film. I enjoyed The Matrix and it also had a better story, but there's just that thing with Star Wars that I can't explain which makes it a better movie. It lived up to my expectations because I understand the Star Wars universe where many people don't!
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.....is Randy still dead????
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It's good to give this franchise a new writer with a fresh original take on the motives for slaying and stabbing them teens. The plot of an adulterous mother and the following revenge can't be continued. I hope that Kruger and Craven will make a worthy ending.
I'm glad that the 3 main actors have signed on to complete this trilogy. Since this is really the last time for Neve Campbell as Sydney, she will gladly agree to be stabbed in the final scene ...... and then she barely survives it and kills the killer!! This time the killer is Randy's twin brother, who went mentally insane after Randy's death - just like us geeks !!!
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Are the people on talk back fans of the original two. You all seem to be keen to see a third episode, yet are releaved that Mr Williamson will not be part of it. Surely if you enjoyed the first two (as I did) you would want more of the same?!?!?! As for a more "serious" tone, well surely the point of the Scream movies is that they are ironic, tongue in cheek films that are supposed to make you jump in one scene and laugh in the next. Hey ho, let's just hope Wes does justice to which ever script they film.
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Ick. No offense, Ehren, but ick. Scream worked because of the dialogue- if you don't believe me, go watch Urban Legend or Idle Hands again. The plot is basically irrelevant. (I wonder what this means for my own pet theory as to who the killer is? Hm...)
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Okay, I'm not a fan of Kevin Williamson by any stretch of the ol' imagination. BUT!! The original SCREAM is what made him a household name. I admit, SCREAM 2 wasn't really that great (however, unlike most people, I actually LIKED the idea that poor li'l Randy was gutted like a fish -- unpredictable; not the kind of character you'd expect to die... probably the only original idea in the whole movie). The first SCREAM, however, is tolerable, and I've seen it a few times now. Kevin Williamson SHOULD have finished the screenplay if he cared about this trilogy (the plan from the very beginning). I think his head has been getting bloated ever since the critics started fawning over DAWSON'S CREEK, calling him "the new John Hughes," or something like that. Williamson should finish what he started. Oh well. At least Wes Craven will return. My two cents on the death of Sydney: I suspect it will happen in the first ten minutes, like Drew Barrymore's death in the first SCREAM. Apparently Neve Campbell wasn't going to return, but I guess after the failure of 54, she changed her mind. Sydney's death in the very beginning would be a hell of a lot more shocking than having a "star" bite it, doncha think?
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Ho hum. Hollywood's idea of suspense: Make Neve the murderer in the third movie.
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He created this monster, and I think Kevin should kill it. I think this has contract dispute written all over it, and in a couple of days you will here something like "Miramax and Williamson reach deal". If not, "Kruger" would be the perfect choice. Get it :)
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That idle shitmeister! Like I give a crap what Williamson does. You know, Scream is a pile of fucking dogshit. I was really baffled when I came out of the cinema and every simpleton was going
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Here's a question: If Williamson doesn't give a shit about this, why should we? I'm a big horror movie fan, loved Scream I, but basically all we're gonna get here is a half-assed attempt to squeeze the last dime out of the Scream franchise before it dies. They have a 30 page treatment now. You're telling me that by December they're going to write a quality script, then shoot and edit a quality film?
Well, I suppose it *could* happen. . .
NOT FUCKIN' LIKELY!!!!
This is supposed to be Williamson's trilogy, now he's out. Instead of just mindlessly following "name brand" series, should we start looking for something new and GOOD? If we don't, then we're no better than the Hollywood machine that we're constantly complaining turns out nothing but formula crap. Against all odds, this flick may turn out to be good, but I won't hold my breath--instead, I'm getting juiced for the Blair Witch Project. -
Jun 15, 1999 7:35:43 AM CDT
If only Williamson had passed up writing his previous screenplay
by naturalselection
...Don't get me wrong, they were all enjoyable as one watch movies, but Williamson is so far tucked up his own ass that every sentence features a self-concious reference or something and the whole film basically becomes some form of Index for "Eighties movies". Witness "The Faculty", not one fresh bone in it's body AND it displayed the worst work yet from Williamson and Rodriguez. By-the-numbers, By-the-book, join-the-dots, colour-me-in. And before you ask yes I do have a script of my own, so I'm not just some guy pissed off with the state of movies today. I'm gonna do something about it. Just as soon as I can get someone to have a look at it. Anyone got Harvey Weinstein's E-mail address?
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You know, I was gonna write something here, but I guess I should stick to, "If you haven't got something nice to say about something, don't say it at all."
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Jun 15, 1999 7:49:06 AM CDT
Yaw aw aw aw awnn. Which two characters will be the killer? Neve
by mean ween
or instead of 2 killers, they could have the cast of party of five go on a bloody rampage... with a musical interlude by the one neve clone (with brandi doing backup vocals), then have the other neve clone (who was in lost in space... the one with the voice of a pixie and the look of a heroin addict)get a massive creatine headache and get reaaaaly moody. that would scare the bejesus outta me, boyo. New Title -- Scream 3: I screamed a third time when I found out that I still know what you did two... no, three summers ago. I'se gettin' the willies. Mommy? Daddy? are you there?
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Perhaps KW is shying away from what has gone from fresh concept to tired genre with the speed of a gutting hook through a teenager's throat.
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I mean, the first one was a surprise, but the second one felt a little forced. A third one? Come on, it's clear that Williamson didn't have any idea what the third movie would be about. He just thought "trilogy" and said that's how he imagined it, but actual content wasn't in his mind at the time. Now he's failed to come up with something new, something that isn't a repeat of the first two, or a replay of one of the shlock flicks that the first one spawned. The whole joy of scream was that it had witty dialogue and it kept you guessing. That, and it was a surprise. This is why sequels suck, you can't duplicate the same formula to the same effect(see Phantom Menace reactions). Williamson realized this, couldn't come up with anything, and now that he's off the project, when Scream 3 bombs he can brag about how HE would have done it.
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It's too bad this series will come to its conclusion without its captain at the helm ( or at least its co-pilot)to help steer the boat. Sadly, I think Kevin Williamson has just lost interest in this story and this whole genre in general. Too bad, because "Scream" is really Williamson's baby. It gave him his big break into the movie business and was very good to him financially. He only had one more to go to finish what he started, and then he could have had the rest of his life to devote to other projects. As it stands now, the final chapter is in deep water, and has sprung a leak bigger than the Titanic. The film's two major stars aren't really interested in reprising their roles, and they'd really rather be on Summer vacation, but they're not going to pass up their big paychecks for two weeks work. Sadly, about two weeks time is all they're going to have to shoot ALL of their footage before they have to get back to their respective TV series, and the rest of the film will have to shoot around that. If that were not already a crazy enough challenge for director Wes Craven to to handle, he's got to slap this thing together quick enough to meet a December release date. There is absolutely no way this isn't going to look like a rushed patchwork of a film made with half-hearted interest by everyone involved. A disinterested writer + a hired gun with nothing invested in the series + two check cashing actresses + a rushed and harried director + a greedy film company who just wants to quickly cash in on a franchise before it's too late = the formula for disaster. Too bad. Williamson seemed to be on our side ( one of the fans who made good) until he became a Hollywood player and came out of the sexual closet. I just hate to see it end this way.
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Wasn't it Williamson himself that said "Trust nothing you see on the 'Net"? This is a one hell of a longshot, but I'll just toss it out there anyhow. Could this just be a scheme to throw people off? After the whole Neve scandal, the creator himself doesn't want to come back? And Neve even said she wouldn't come back until she saw a script she liked, when she signed on, didn't that imply there was some sort of script. Oh well, I don't know. I don't trust actors anyway...they lie for a living
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With Williamson not writing the script, Neve Campbell role being much smaller, and Jamie Kennedy not in it at all, what is there to look forward to with Scream 3. Craven doesn't really guarantee anything, remember New Nightmare? Doesn't Williamson have to write the movie? Are you telling me Miramax didn't put that in his contract? The trilogy was his damn vision. This is all very disappointing.
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Williamson, who hasn't written a single interesting script since SCREAM, can only muster up the blueprint for the third installment in one of the most belabored attempts at a trilogy in film history, and all I can do is wonder why anybody would care. Sure, SCREAM was a fun ride, but after Williamson's subsequent work has exposed him as a hack masquerading as a celebrated screenwriter, can it be anything but a blessing that we might be spared a SCREAM 3 spilling from his poison pen? The fact that SCREAM 2 was even watchable stands as a credit to Wes Craven's thorough mastery of the genre. In my opinion, Miramax should mothball this project in light of the current moviegoing climate, which hardly favors the teen slasher genre, no matter how well-crafted the movie may be. By the time the film is finished and over-promoted (as is the Weinstein way,) I think they'd find themselves lucky to turn much of a profit. No longer does the SCREAM pedigree guarantee success, unless they can corral some of the higher profile Miramax slaves (Paltrow, Affleck, and yes, I'm joking) to give of themselves for Team Weinstein. Nah, just kill this franchise. Even thinking about the prospects of a Part III, and the possible directions in which they might take the story, makes me sleepy.
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Jun 15, 1999 10:54:46 AM CDT
Does it really f'n matter anymore? THEY KILLED RANDY OFF IN THE
by captainberryman
Now I have no reason to see Scream 3. I almost walked out of Scream 2 when Randy bought it and SHOULD have when I thought Dewey had, too. Scream 2 was a slap in the face to its predecessor, and I wish they'd have stopped with one film. Remember how Scream 1 kept you always on your toes, guessing...guessing...and just when you THOUGHT you knew it you were wrong? Okay...now recall how part two plain out telepgraphed it from the start. Laurie Metcalf appears out of nowhere..."OH HI! FUNNY ME BEIN' HERE! HEY I MUST BE THE KILLER!" And then Mickey...Hell MICKEY DISAPPEARED HALFWAY THROUGH PART TWO! That was another dead giveaway. I was SO pissed that I had figured it out so early. I'll not see Scream 3. There's no damn point. Randy's gone, and there's no reason for me to see any more of this crap. End Transmission.
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What was so great about Scream? It was fun, a lot of fun. What made it fun was the dialogue and a few of the characters - Dewey, Randy, and Stu. And I liked that they pretended not to have a motive, but of course Billy really had a motive, because there's always a motive. That was pretty cool. But Billy and Stu got killed, then Randy got killed, and just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, Dewey got killed and the un-killed. I mean, we see him get stabbed over and over, blood pouring out of his mouth, but then hours later - Hey, Kenny (er...Dewey...)'s okay. So what can we say for Kevin Williamson? He's made to date one good movie. Scream 3 would've been bad if he'd written it, and it will probably be bad if someone else writes it. Cry me a river, I'm still waiting for Freddy vs. Jason....
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I found an interesing sentance in an article about the nearby college in my local paper last Sunday, doubly so given the hoopla about who is writing the movie.
"A Hollywood crew films a movie, starring Courtney Cox and David Arquette, at the shuttered library. "
Now, I don't what else this could be besides Scream 3. How could the movie be shooting yet? Might it be something else? A friend and I are going down tomorrow to check it out, but the article was talking about events a week ago, so we might not find anything. Any speculation about what this could be would be appreciated. -
Miramax has already secured the domain names for 7, count 'em, seven more 'Scream' sequels. Don't believe me? Go to 'www.networksolutions.com' and look up on the WhoIs search to see who owns 'scream4.com' through 'scream10.com'...
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...WHAT???? I've been shopping all day, but WTF?!?!?!?! Ok this is just BAAD news. I have been dying for Scream 3 for so long now, but if Williamson isn't doing it, then fuck it... WHY IS EVERYONE ELSE STILL AGREEING TO IT??? this is awful. I'm pissed
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I think it's funny that people are getting riled up about Wiliiamson abandoning his "trilogy." Filmmakers always say that they thought of a movie as a trilogy when a sequel is inevitable. It makes it seem like they're not doing it for the money, but they want to "tell the whole story." The Wachowski brothers, who made, "The Matrix" are pulling this crap now, and I'll bet that, if "Bound" had made $200 million, it would have been "part of a trilogy" too.
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Yes, Williamson deserves kudos for his brilliant self-reflexive SCREAM screenplay, but let's not forget how integral Mr. Craven is to all this. I'm sure the new movie will be fine with Captain Wes at the helm. As far as new writer Kruger goes, Arlington Road was simply one of the best scripts I've ever read. I've seen the movie and as good as it is (and it's pretty fucking great) it's not as good as Kruger's meticulously crafted script. This guy is a big-time talent with a big-time future and SCREAM 3 can only benefit from his involvment. Talent stimulates talent and the Kruger-Craven team may prove to be every bit as strong as the initial Williamson-Craven pairing. Anybody who thinks I'm gushing over Kruger needs to get their hands on the Arlington Road screenplay and see for themselves.
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It's not as though the Scream movies are a high point of American cinema, but I'm fond of them because of what they do. I watched way too many slasher flicks when I was a youth and I appreciate the way these films are dark comedy disguised as horror. Every time a character starts talking about the laws of horror movies, it's almost as if the film is throwing up a flag and saying, "Yes, this is fucking ridiculous. We know." Kevin Williamson is doing himself and his fans a disservice by not writing Scream 3. It is the climax of the series, after all, and film series tend to lose focus when they're not done by the same writer. The second half of the Alien series is a good example of that, or the Lethal Weapon movies. I hope they make Courtney Cox the killer in the next one. I'm not sure why, I'd just like to see her get nailed, but have some fun first . After all that Dewey had endured, he'll probably be in a wheel chair in the next film.
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I must remind myself not to employ them as mercenaries.
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