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Light House Shines peers in on DOGMA
Hey dere, Harry here. I've been dying to see DOGMA... It's one of the top films that I'm looking forward to seeing, but for now.... All I have are the opinions of others... Sigh... ME WANNA SEE... As do most of you. Now if we could only get a release date! A WIDE release date! Now! How a movie like THE MOD SQUAD can have a wide release, while this film has none is a monument to the chicken-shitted yellow bellied cowards that are afraid of the Religious Right. Cajones anyone?
DOGMA REVIEW:
I must actually be pretty good at the whole advance screening thing,
since I have been able to see roughly 95% of all the movies on my wish
list months before their theatrical releases. With the the minor exception
of Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, naturally, though I already
got tickets to see that opening night so who really cares. Since I have
been wanting to see Dogma for almost an entire year now, ever since
someone sent me the script in an email. Roughly the exact point when I
decided that I must see this film any way I could, as there are so many
things and actors associated with this film that I am such a huge fan of.
Especially since I absolutely loved the first part of the infamous Jersey
trilogy Clerks, specifically since I actually worked in a video
store for over 5 years. Where I encountered almost the exact same bunch of
deranged/demented, and more often than not, incredibly stupid customers
that the characters in Clerks did. Who for some unexplainable
reason seemed to naturally gravitate to my work, seemingly just to bother
me with their insipid whining and inane questioning...But I digress, as I
want to talk about uber director Kevin Smith's latest big screen foray
Dogma( By the way, I absolutely loved issue 5 of Daredevil,
so keep it up!). A comedy of biblical proportions if you will, for lack of
a better description. Since this film is sure to upset the moral right on
so many levels, mostly because of the plot.
Which revolves around a pair of disgruntle wayward angels no less, played
by Matt Damon and Ben Affleck to perfection. Forsaken and cast out by by
God herself, desperate to get back into heaven anyway they can. Even if
it means the unwitting destruction of God and the entire universe as we
know it, by inadvertently proving God to be fallible via a loophole in
Catholic Dogmatic law. Something an abortion clinic worker named Bethany
(Linda Florentino), and her two would be prophet companions, Jay and
Silent Bob ( Jason Mewes and Kevin Smith respectively) have been sent to
stop. At the direction of Metatron, the voice of God. Nicely played to the
hilt by Alan Rickman, who had quite a few good scenes. Especially when in
the presence of God towards the end, though I wont spoil those by
specifically mentioning them. Along with the help of Rufus, the
forgotten and black 13th apostle. Played bitterly by Chris Rock, who has
some of the film's best lines of dialogue.
That for me has always been one of the best things about any of
Kevin Smith's films and more specifically true in the case of
Dogma. His brilliant and varied use of dialogue to masterfully
illustrate his unique and often very well thought out point of
view, whatever that maybe giving each film. As Mr. Smith has an
obvious love for the spoken word, and as such it cannot help but show in
every single thing he writes. Even his current turn as writer for Marvel
comics Daredevil, reeks with creativity and the vitality that only
Kevin Smith can delivery. For truthfully his camera angles and subsequent
spectrum of acting ability haven't always exactly been a contributing
factor to the power of some of his films, especially the earlier ones
like Mall Rats (sorry, I know you have taken enough crap for that
one already). Which is somewhat the case in Dogma, for while I
really loved it when the various characters were talking and interacting
with one another. I was a little bit bored or insulted at some of the
intermittent juvenile humor that took place before and after each major
scenes was played. Although truth be told I would willingly take Kevin
Smith's version of bad film making over any other director or filmmaker in
a heartbeat, simply because he is such a strong writer. Of course I also
loved the film because I have always been a huge fan of both Ben and
Matt's, especially after Good Will Hunting and Ben's role in
Chasing Amy(Still my favorite Kevin Smith film by far). Hence I
naturally was very excited to see them both onscreen again, especially
since most of their scenes involved them killing people in typical Smith
fashion, that they found to be unworthy or in violation of God's law
( Look for the Mooby the Cow massacre scene, destined to be one of Kevin
Smith's all time best scenes in any film).
Alas aside from such high praise, here is the sad news. This was
supposedly one of the only screenings of the film to take place on the
West coast ( as far as I know) before it moves on to Cannes. So there is
very little to no chance that anyone outside of the movie industry or with
some inside connections will be able to see this film in it's current form
before it's official release some time hence. As I assume that there will
possibly be some more editing or fine tuning of the film before it's final
theatrical release. Especially if the AFA has it's way, which is something
I think I have to comment on. For personally I was raised to essentially
come to my own beliefs concerning religion and/or the (possible) existence
of God. As such, I try to understand, if not actually respect, everyone's
religious beliefs. Even those that differ greatly from my own. For my
personal opinion has always been, that if there is indeed a God. He/she/it
will be the one who ultimately judges us/anyone for their respective sins,
if such a thing even takes place upon our deaths. So why bother spending
so much of one's time and personal energy persecuting someone or
something, simply because it differs from what you consider to be the
acceptable norm ( This is of course within reason, as it doesn't apply to
people who regularly have sex with farm animals or hunt people for sport
or anything equally bizarre like that). Especially since most religions
are all about peace, love and unity, not blanketly condemning people as
sinners and screaming that they're going to burn on Hell for all eternity.
Just for making a film that happens to express a religious view
other than your own. Which is essentially what I believe director and
writer Kevin Smith was trying to convey throughout his film. That religion
is just a beginning and not the end all be all of existence, and that no
one person or faith is absolutely correct or true. So with that
said Dogma is definitely a great film, even if Kevin is going to
burn on hell for all eternity for making it! The blasphemous heathen!
As always, if you have any questions or comments about anything I have
just said or written about. Please feel to email me at
lighthouseshines@hotmail.com and someone will get back to you, thanks!
Sincerely,
Light House Shines
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A blind bunny rabbit and a blind snake meet each other in the forest. Since they were both blind since birth, neither of them has a clue to what kind of animal they are. They agree to feel each other and see if they can each solve their respective life-long mysteries. The snake feels the rabbit for a while and says
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Jun 15, 1999 2:45:59 AM CDT
If I had the money I'd buy this thing and release it myself thos
by paragonian
All you have to do is look at the history of religions and what they've done to humanity to know how wrong they usually are. Thank God (ooops) that people have started to get smarter with this century and see how dumb most religions are, each generation gets smarter and smarter despite what some old hags always say. I read this script and the Cathloc church is too stupid to realize that this film actually promotes their religion for a new generation and Disney is just..... I'm a loss for words but no clear thinking individual would support their decisions. I hope that if their is a God that he/she throws lightning bolts at evil Disney execs and maybe even find time to condemn Bruckheimer and Peters from this earth to their real "home", if it exists of course.
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The day that any one group tells me what I can and can't watch is the day I turn militant mad crazy. Put the movie out and let us decide! Weinstein Bros., do what's right - ignore the fucks (or have them assassinated - you got the $) and put this movie out. I've been waiting for this movie for 2 years. Enough already! Anything Jerry Falwell hates is good enough for me. This is a guy who had sex with his mom in an outhouse, if Hustler magazine is tobe believed. :) The Religious Right ain't that powerful, folks. I'd like to think a little document called the Bill of fucking Rights has a little more clout than them. Rant, rant, rant...
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Jun 15, 1999 3:34:53 AM CDT
That's a good one Gweilo, but I think the systems sometimes set
by paragonian
I hate exec's as much as the next guy but sometimes I start to think about how the system makes them that way. Look at Universal with Babe 2, One True Thing and Out of Sight which were all great films but made them lose their jobs. When an atmosphere of 'if I screw up I'm gone' takes over than it's gonna make em want to play it safe and greenlight the obvious dipshit movie over the good movie. Studio execs are like sports coaches where they know they're eventually gonna get fired but they don't know what their career stats or golden parachutes will be like. It's ironic that their not wanting to take chances philosophy actually hurts them, there's more to life than stats and stakes though and I guess if you don't want to take chance than get the fuck out of showbusiness.
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Stop me if you've heard this one (although I concede that it will be too late to actually stop me, that's no reason for me not to be polite)....Jesus walks into a hotel. He walks up to the desk clerk, tosses three nails on the desk and says, "Can you put me up for the night?"
...as far as I know, AFA stands for American Family Association...somebody correct me if I'm wrong...
...and Kevin Smith had a damn good point about his flick which I'll reiterate (though not verbatim)....basically, the point Smith made was that of all the religions angry over Dogma, it's Catholicism, the one religion that Dogma promotes! If anything, it should be all the other religions that are pissed. But Buddhists aren't pissed that it's Catholic theology/ideology that ultimately turns out to be correct...Hindus aren't pissed that their religion turns out to be wrong. No. It's the one religion that Dogma promotes that wants it censored....ironic, no? -
correct me if i'm wrong here, but was it not said somewhere a couple of weeks ago that Dogma was getting a release in the UK through 'Film Four' about September/October time???
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www.newsaskew.com will tell y'all all you need to know
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www.newsaskew.com will tell y'all all you need to know
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Anyone who likes the concept/script for Dogma should probably go out and find a comic book called Ragmop, by Rob Walton. Similar sense of humour, and the plot also features an embittered woman (in this case an unemployed supervillainess) who has to save the universe, along with her fallen angel and raccoon buddies. Yeah, I know, but it's much better than that. Trust me.
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I don't blame distributors for being worried about the religious nuts. They are organized, people. I can't get on the subway without hearing a sermon. Pentecostals have taken to wandering the MTA singing hymns on train cars.
These people don't care about art, subtlety, satire, or taking a joke. They only see the narrow goals of the church to whch they belong, and they see being made fun of as a threat to their credibility (and, by extension, their ability to attract new members). My own dad called me a blasphemer last month. -
It usually doesn't bother me if writers on the 'net make a few slip ups in spelling and minor grammatical errors. However, this particular reviewer is pathetic! Worked in a video store for 5 years, huh? Well, I'm guessing that you never picked up a pen and paper in all those valuable years of experience. Please understand that the problem with this kind of writing is that it is inarticulate and hard to read. But more importantly, your credibility is shot. If you can't even write a proper sentence (serious problems here), then one of the things I would assume is that you're just some high-school drop-out who is probably guessing at best in his "reviews."
P.S., I'd ask Harry to try and moderate this type of thing by asking the reviewers to PROOFREAD their work, but he's not much better. -
Ive seen Dogma too and Mallrats is still my favorite
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Jun 15, 1999 7:08:35 AM CDT
Do you think that Dogma will be bought like Showtime did Lolita?
by spike lee
Remember no one wanted to touch the Lolita remake, and Showtime bought the rights to the film. I think after it debuted on the channel it had a selected release, and then made it to home video. I for one enjoyed Lyne's Lolita, and everyone should give it a look and not compare it to Kubrick's vision.
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I know I don't. What a fucking waste of time. Religion was invented to keep society under control, and a transparant fucking attempt at that. I hate ALL religions, AND the idiots who practice it. A bunch of people I know are Jehovah's witnesses, AND I FUCKING DESPISE THEM!!! They are a pain in the fucking ass, always trying to get me to go to one of their idiotic meetings. Why the fuck should religious people care whether you yourself become religious? Is it hurting them or something? FUCK 'EM!!! Catholics, Christians, Moslems, in fact EVERY religious person - GET A FUCKING LIFE!!! You're just wasting yours on mindless stupidity. NOBODY practices religion for its entertainment value. The people who do so expect to get something out of it ; like eternal fucking life or something. That's the ONLY reason why ANYONE would believe in religion - to earn favors. FUCKING LUNATICS!!! WAKE UP, YOU DELUDED ASSHOLES!!!
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First, I think the film ought to be released. I fully agree there is rarely, if ever, a reason to squelch freedom of expression. However, it is important for people to understand where the objections come from and not be so quick to label everyone as a religious zealot. Any person ought to be sensitive to making light of anything someone finds sacred. This is a matter of common courtesy and it doesn't matter what the person finds sacred. Whether that is their faith (which is absolutely nothing to make light of) or the fact that they are a nutso Green Bay Packers fan (I'm not). When you attack something that is that important to that person, you are attacking all that they are and hold dear. Again, this film needs to be released but to attack anyone who is sensitive to the impact this film may have on others is crass, rude, selfish, and very self-absorbed.
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It always dismays me when I hear about artisitic statements which are threatened by persecution from religious or political determinists. For some reason, the fact that the art form is film fools people into believing that this isn't the equivalent of book burning. It is and it stinks.
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Well, that is to say if it was in a Kubrick film. 'Cause anything he makes is normal, right? Right?! Anywho, can't wait for EWS or Dogma or Blair Witch. True, K Smith isn't the strongest visual story teller this side of Hackensack but his dialogue (though a little too self aware at times) and characterization has always kept me intrigued. And the Catholic church can always use a little riffing here and there. Off the topic: the new Bond teaser is at the official website and it looks pretty nifty. Finally, a new ski scene. Yahoo!
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Grunter: Follow the links on Harry's site to Script-O-Rama, or go to http://www.script-o-rama.com and read the fucking script, you lame asshole. This film is nothing like his previous ones. Yes there is swearing. But it's a very fucking good script. KEvin Smith did his homework on the religions. And the shit this film is taking is typical of Hollywood. When something is good, they don't want it out there. Ooh, religious film that puts down faith. I'd like to know how many of those dipshits - that "hate" this film, and are protesting it - have actually taken the time to read the script for it. It's funny how people say they hate something, and don't want the public to see it, and they've never seen more than 5 minutes, or read more than 1 page. Anyone remember the shit Todd McFarlane has to go through? Some dumbass lady read *ONE* book - which just happened to be the issue where Spawn deals with rascism, and kills a KKK member. She didn't know the whole story behind Spawn, and I doubt these "protestors" do either. They see a movie plot that deals with religion, and a woman as the last scion, and they pick up their crosses, and their posters. I'd like to walk up to those assholes and shove a cross down the throat of each fuck that didn't read the script, and still feels like protesting. Want something to protest? How about protesting me kicking your ass.
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The movie you were referring to is called HAIL MARY, and it was directed by Jean-Luc Godard. The controversial plot dealt with a virginal gas station attendant/basketball player named Mary and her cab driver boyfriend Joseph. Mary becomes "magically" pregnant. Actually, this film isn't as sacreligious as it sounds. I think this whole DOGMA thing is being blown way out of proportion here anyway. It's not the first film to poke a sacred cow like religion. What about Martin Scorsese's THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, in which Christ has lusty thoughts? What about JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR and GODSPELL, which teach the Gospel through song (and some very controversial lyrics to some). What about JESUS OF MONTREAL, where a group of actors put on a radical version of the Passion? On Broadway right now, there's a play called CORPUS CHRISTI, which offers a homosexual Christ and his Apostles. I am a Catholic, and find absolutely nothing wrong with anything I listed above, nor did I find anything wrong with DOGMA (the script). Banning anything because of content is ridiculous. Who the fuck has the gall to tell ME what I can and can't watch? The solution is simple: if you don't think you'll like the subject matter of the movie or play, don't go to see it. Just don't drag me down with you.
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it's cool and fun to attack and make light of what certain people hold sacred but never underestimate the degree to which a zealot will uphold his or her belief. ayatollah ain't the only one who believes what he believes... and does salmon rushdie really feel safe out there? step on the wrong fanatic's toes and BLAMMO there goes a chunk of yer head flying outta the car jfk style. folks in the bible belt are notoriously well armed. God bless em.
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.....except it is ripping up the Catholic faith instead of Christianity and DavidDuchovenywithlonghairnity.
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Although I don't doubt that the possible controversy played a major part in Disney's deciding to pass on Dogma, maybe they also looked at what they had and said "Jeez, this thing looks like Clerks meets The Prophecy, how the fuck are we gonna market this?"
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Eat it up, babies. Fill your filthy fucking troughs with Hollywood propaganda disguised as anti-Hollywood rebellion. "We're on YOUR side, kids! We're not like those dumbass Hollywood suits! That'll be $8.50, please." Here - have another interview where Smith magically becomes a "devout Catholic that goes to church every Sunday". If the Catholic church is so up in arms about the flick, what church is still letting him in?
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The reason Catholics are upset is because Dogma is disrepectful. Yes, it is a comedy, however it still has many false things in it. It's less offensive then LAST TEMPTION or CORPUS CHRISTI by far, however, like that guy Grunter helped point out, along with sucess of Sh*t drinking antics in Austin Powers, as well as most Adam Sandler movies and albums etc, that people are not objective intelligent beings, most often. They'll take whatever other people think is cool, and think it's cool. They'll take whatever makes them laugh, or strikes them as guiltily amusing, and laugh. Taboos being broken are the cheapest easiest laughs of guilt you can find. Hahah, that was so sick, but everyone else seems to think it's funny. I can't believe they did that, uh, hahaha. There's so much false crap about the Catholic church, as well as some internal true crap, that we don't need any more fuel on the bonfire. Kevin Smith may be promoting his religion, which is his version of the Catholic faith, but he's not promoting the facts of life, which are god's religion--not by a long shot. Yes, the script of Dogma was entertaining. But Entertainment has become the end-all god for America, and it shouldn't be that way.
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Basically weak minded people need religion.. those who fear death, etc. etc... any other reason for having a religion, causes said religion to cease being an actual religion and makes it more of a hobby. I don't give two shits about any religions... until they infringe upon my life that is... Believe what ever the hell you want to believe (btw, i dont "believe" anything, my philosophy is based on rational quantifiable conclusions) i could care less, what pisses me off is when YOUR beliefs cause me some form of discomfort... I want to see Dogma. Stupid religous incorrect people prevent said movie from being seen by me?.. I get mad. War in the Middle East over ten acres of sand causes gas prices to rise to $5 a gallon? I get mad... etc etc... when the fears of others make me uncomfortable, those people need to stop being afraid so thusly i can be comfortable. I refuse to rearrange my life for some miscellaneous cult leader whos been dead for 2000 years.
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what Corran and Grunter find funny?
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I had the pleasure of seeing Kevin Smith @ VA Tech this last semester. He showed a trailer of dogma at the end of a 4 hour Q & A where he told all sorts of cool stories. The trailer (or possible trailer since it still had to be cleaned up) was awesome. A quick story he told that I though was funny was there is a scene w/ Jay shooting a machine gun and Kevin Smith said,"that to make Mewes have the feel of a machine gun they took him to a firing range to shoot one. When Kevin asked how did it feel Mewes replied "cool."
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Hey, Taleiesin (sp?), define quantifiable. No dictionaries, please!
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First off, I'd like to say that I agree with G: Light House Shines really REALLY needs to learn how to write. Really. SOrry buddy, but it was painful for me to read those reviews of yours. You seem to have a thesaurus handy, but where's your copy of "The Elements of Style?"
Second: Grunter's right. All of this 'uproar' over Dogma is not only over-exaggerated, but very beneficial to Smith. Now I'm not saying that Smith and his cronies whipped up scam to sell his movie, but I don't think he's too worried about it getting released and seen by the public at large. Who wouldn't want to go see the movie denounced by the Holy Catholic Church? Everyone loves pissing off religious nuts. Especially 'non-comformist' geeks that love to spout pseudo-philosophical bullshit about how only the simple and narrow-minded are religious and how the world is crawling (nay, teeming) with holy rolling bible-thumpers out to oppress the 'free-thinkers' of the world. Wash your hair, wear some clothes that aren't black, and stop looking so serious when I pass you in the hall-way. Quit bitching about the religious zealots that are 'oppressing' you, stop thinking you're so different from everyone else, and figure out that you're just another member of a hugely popular clique.
To those offended by any of the above: I don't care. By a helmet, shut the fuck up, and remember that the world don't owe you nothin'. To those TRULY and honestly offended by the above: realize that I'm just trying to make a point. NOthing personal. I'm sure you're all very nice people, but until we meet: suck it up.
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If the Catholic Church could survive Lutheranism, I think it'll manage after "Dogma" gets released. I saw it at a small screening in LA, post Cannes. I think movie is totally blasphemous and devout Catholics should be insulted by certain things in the movie. Don't get me wrong. However, these insults should only force people to confront their beliefs. What's is the use of an untested faith? Kevin Smith does take the VERY low road in a few instances. However, he comes from a place that says the Catholic Church is right, for the most part. How many movies out there is saying that? How many movies even mention God, without tacking on "dammit"? "The Simpsons" also has been targeted by Catholic defemation groups, and I think they are misdirected. It is important to ask questions about religion, not bashing other people's beliefs, but thinking about what you or others subscribe to.
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It's just another fucking movie! So it talks about religion. Who cares! What are these protesting idiots so fucking affraid of, more people might not give two shits about religion and develope their own personal beliefs? It's pretty god damn amusing to see people getting in an uproar over another film - It obviously has power. Yup. A giant shit monster is going to come and kill people. Yup.
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Speaking as someone who is a fan of Kevin Smith, and someone who has been waiting since 1997 to see this damn movie, I am absolutely outraged by the Catholic's complete disregard of anyone but themselves. Whaqt are they thinking? Is it "By preventing people from doing what they'd like and seeing a harmless movie, I will be on the good side of God" or "Hmm...I'm going to pretend to be outraged by this to get my 15 minutes of fame and stop people that would have an otherwise enjoyable time from seeing this film, from seeing it at all...yeah! That's it! I should have thought of it sooner." I'd be willing to bet large amounts of money it's the latter. Just goes to show that hypocrtites like the Catholics will yell and holler when people use the Bill of Rights for themselves, but beg and plead as soon as they need it. Don't get me wrong: I have the utmost respect for those of true faith, that forgive, love, and support EVERYONE, not just fellow Catholics, but there are so few of those, I'm generalizing a bit. Either way, I found no apparent objectionable material in the fabulous script, so there shouldn't be any reason NOT to release it. BTW, someone said something along the lines that everyone follows along with the masses on what's funny, etc., shich I personally found offensive, because every movie I see, book I read, or thing I do, I try to do from a neutural standpoint, and to accuse eveyone of not doing that is simply irresponsable. I find that many people on this site open their big mouths without knowing what, or how to say anything, and if that's a sample of our nation today, this country's in lot's of trouble. So much for the youth of tomorrow.
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Jun 15, 1999 4:59:07 PM CDT
You don't need to write a frickin' novel. Short, sweet and to th
by clockwork taxi
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It is a free country and people should not totally diss and dismiss a work of art like a Kevin Smith movie. Just because the topic is weird to some people doesn't make it right to totally disregard it. I am a witch. I have been so since I was 13. Do I sit here and whine and moan and complain about such degrading movies as The Craft and Practical Magic? Movies that totally make my religion look like a joke? No. I go to the movies just like everyone else, to be entertained, not to make a relgious statement. I like movies. And if that movie makes fun and is off the mark about my religion, do you see me caring all that much? Nah. There are more important things to eb upset about...and besides...it is just a movie. But still, it is Kevin Smith, and Kevin Smith is as close to god as you can get.
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Yes Philsophy means love of wisdom.. however it has been co-opted for use as a word that means "Your own personal code of morals, ethics etc. etc." now we can nitpick over word efinitions.. or we can you the accepted general use dictionary definitions... you be the judge... as for "Quantifiable" I did in fact use that word correctly.. something is quantifiable when it can be proved to exist through logic. And if you had read my post thoroughly, you would have seen that I said "religion" was for weak minded scaredy cats, any other reason for religion delegates it from a philosophy to merely a hobby.. hence any non- wacko non-religious zealots are not into a "religion" but using it more of a hobby. Hope this clears up some of the misunderstandings!
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Oh if only comic book geeks had half the sense they profess to have... Kevin Smith just plain sucks. His use of pop culture references is weak and self-concious at best, nauseatingly bad at worst. I also have worked at video stores and movie theaters for the last six or seven years, and I must say that while 90% of the general public is retarded, that 90% is made up mainly of cliqueish and self-referential people like... well like Kevin Smith fans. Get with it folks, Smith's work speaks to you because you ARE mallrats, because you DO work in video stores, and because you ARE losers who chase lesbians planning to "show them a real man". Quit jerking off to your Darkchylde comics and join the fucking world around you. Watch for truly good dialogue by people like dudes named Mamet or Bogosian. Take up a sport. Move out of your mother's house. Kiss a girl. Oh yeah, and don't forget to wash your asses either.
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Just couldn't let idiot fucks like the above poster get the last word. Wipe ass indeed, pal, I can smell your loser ass from here.
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To whom it may concern,
Your ruminations on the underlying religious outrage regarding Dogma is, at best, inane. Indeed, you COMPLETE miss the issue. You say:
"Especially since most religions are all about peace, love and unity, not blanketly condemning people as sinners and screaming that they're going to burn on Hell for all eternity. Just for making a film that happens to express a religious view other than your own."
I honestly hope you are not this naive! This movie isn't an alternative religious view, but a satire of the religious belief of 1 billion people! This isn't about comdemning sinners or espousing a shallow philosophy of "just love, man." It is about the insulting nature of Dogma!
I love your amoral creed:
"For my personal opinion has always been, that if there is indeed a God. He/she/it will be the one who ultimately judges us/anyone for their respective sins, if such a thing even takes place upon our deaths. So why bother spending so much of one's time and personal energy persecuting someone or something, simply because it differs from what you consider to be the acceptable norm."
If this movie made fun of Jews, would you say the same thing? If it made fun of African-Americans, would you say the same thing?
Finally, it is important that people realize that this is NOT about the First Amendment! The First Amendment does not guarantee us the absolute speech, if guarantees us freedom of interference from our government. If the people at Disney or Mirimax decide to NOT distribute this film, it will not be an issue of censorship, but of taste. -
Pleeeeaaaassseee...
What is the freakin' deal w/Kevin Smith? His writing is juvenile Woody Allen that's been cross-referenced with a Gen X comic book culture... his direction is crap, his acting and choice of actors is crap. When I see references to Scorcese's plight with "Temptation" mixed in with similar howls of idignancy for Kevin Smith... it makes me want to retch! I've read the Dogma script, and while I would say it's better than his other "stabs" at screenwriting, I would have to preface this by saying that Hepatitis A is an upgrade from Hepatitis B. Just because it's better does not make it good.
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Noff said...Oh by the way you pagan wanabees have no idea what the Catholic Church is really about so my advice is stop shooting herion stop listen to that fraud Marylin Manson and start reading something like the bible....KEVIN SMITH SUCKS -
The Simpsons, Dumb and Dumber, Bringing up Baby, The Philedelia Story, Liabled Lady, Fawltey Towers, Conan O'Brien, What's Up Doc, Beverly Hills Cop, Hard Rain...plenty 'o stuff.
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the quote below is insightful. it comes from lighthouse's review.
"So why bother spending so much of one's time and personal energy persecuting someone or something, simply because it differs from what you consider to be the acceptable norm."
lighthouse should ask that question of kevin smith and his film that completely ridicules what millions of people hold dear. he has made a movie that doesnt think for itself, it only goes to great lengths to mock and malign what other people believe. the people that are spending so much time persecuting in this case are the people making the film. and then you people have the audacity to get mad when catholics protect something they value so deeply. you are surprised when they say. . "please don't shit on our hope, our faith." get real and stop being led by the media. you're probably 16. catholics have been wrestling with the issue of faith for more than a thousand years, but you in your infinite wisdom know better, hah. double-hah. -
My mother died a saint through complications of Cystic Fibrosis eight years ago last month. I turned fourteen the week after she died. I think if you spelled catholicism backward you'd get regret. It's the forsaken opportunities that do us in the end, my friend.
"Dogma" is a delightful read. Oh, Dr. X that movie you couldn't think of was Jean-Luc Godard's "HAIL MARY" from the mid-eighties. It's a really interesting non-linear film. Also I highly recommend Martin Scorsese's ultimate masterpiece, his adaptation of Kasantzakis's "The Last Temptation of Christ." It's an extremely powerful film. I only take it out for a spin once or twice a year. It's right up there with "The Age of Innocence." Don't laugh. If you know anything about his personal experiences in Hollywood, then you can begin to understand "The Age of Innocence." It's his most violent film because it is completely psychological. And everyone is a spectator.
Kathleen Quinn Johnson
May 28th 1941 - May 28th 1991 -
"Taboos being broken are the cheapest easiest laughs of guilt you can find. Hahah, that was so sick, but everyone else seems to think it's funny." You accuse Dogma of going for cheap laughs, yet you like Dumb and Dumber, seems like that's on the edge of hypocritical!
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Gorgar: Of course it sucked. Jon Peters had him re-write every fucking scene to fit what *HIS* lame-ass-batman-and-robin-producing-joel-schumacher-fantasy-film-fullfilling-campy-shit-for-brains imagination could think of. He wanted cheap as hell merchandising, and a gay as hell suiting up sequence ala batman, not to mention he requested guards in the fortress of solitude! Hello! It's the fortress of fucking solitude jon!! So what did he do? Told Kevin Smith to have brainiac fight a god damn polar bear! Fuck!Go back and re-read the script for Superman lives. And remember, this peice of shit was written from ideas by Jon Peters. The asshole who helped Joel Schumacher ruin Batman. You can almost pick out the exact notes Jon made for additional shots ("I'm maniac for Brainiac" t-shirts!?! Can we say early marketing shit?") Read Kevin Smiths run on Daredevil. He is a pretty good writer (pretty good, but not great (at least on Daredevil), so if he had the opportunity to write a good Superman script, I have no doubts he *PROBABLY* could. At least he would be one of few who could understand the characters. *grumble*God damn Jon Peters*grumble*
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I admit, Dumb and Dumber is borderline, and it's my one guilty pleasure. However, it only has a few bathroom jokes, and no sexual humor at all. There's Something About Mary and Kingpin are much more offensive then Dumb and Dumber, which is, in repeat viewings (you can catch it on TNT and TBS all the time) a really funny movie, about *morons*. Jim Carrey is hilarious. Oh yeah, I also like My Man Godfrey, The Thin Man, and the Princess Bride... Hey Methos -- *whatever* man.
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