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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here getting caught up on my Comic-Con interviews. Got quite a few to go, but up first is McG. From what I gather this was the only 1:1 interview he gave to an online outlet. I saw him sitting down 1:1 with Anne Thompson from Variety, so believe me when I say I don’t view myself as special because of it, but it should be a unique chat with him since it wasn’t part of a roundtable. I wasn’t sure how this interview was going to go. I had heard he wasn’t happy about the ending spoiler that ran on the site and that he was even less happy about the McSpaced articles. Yet he still sat down with us. Immediately I got the same feeling as I did watching him speak during the panel. He seemed to be trying really, really hard to say the right things and prove himself to the fans. Does he succeed? Well give it a read and let me know.

Quint: I think TERMINATOR 2 was the first movie I saw more than once in the theater. I dragged my parents to go see it again and again. So you grow up and you have that world in your mind, but I actually do like the idea that something is off and that it’s not exactly what John Connor was told, that they changed something within the line up.

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McG: Oh yeah, I mean to me that is what makes it worthwhile. Things have changed and the future that his mother has told him about is not the future that he is presented with today and that is in the spirit that the future is indeed malleable, which was established very cleanly in the first and second picture, so yeah we just wanted to create a world that was credible and felt properly post apocalyptic, but listen; no two films shaped my life more than the first two TERMINATOR pictures. The first one scared the shit out of me and the second one made me want to be a director. I mean when Robert Patrick’s head came apart and the T-1000 liquid metal coming back together and doing what it does… Shit, I put Robert Patrick in two out of the first few movies I made. It was that big of an influence on me, so I’m really passionate about that whole idea.

Quint: Now this is supposed to be setup like the beginning of a series of films, right?

McG: Well naturally, but I would never presume that this would be so well received to warrant a sequel. That’s the idea and Christian (Bale) and I have arched out three movies and what we want to do with it, but…

Quint: So do you see it progressing as they get closer and closer to the year that we have seen, that it looks more like what we know of the future war?

McG: As they get closer to 2029, it starts to look more like that indeed. This is 2018, so we studied Chernobyl… We talked to the scientists. We talked to the futurists. We talked to the environmentalists. “What does the world look like after it has destroyed itself?” “How long do you need to be under ground?” “What did the Geiger meter say?” “What are the hot zones?” “What are the cool zones?” “What is nuclear winter all about?” That’s the world we came up with and we developed our own film stock, we are treating it with three times as much silver as color film is traditionally treated with and the interest of giving it that ethereal look that… I’m hoping to capture the visual language of the Cormack McCarthy book THE ROAD. I gave it to all of the actors and said, “Get your head right, this is an existential experience walking through these David Lean landscapes where it’s strange and you can’t quite shake the fog out of the cockpit,” so that what certainly the goal, but it felt pretty damn good to show it to a literate discriminate crowd and see them stand up and cheer and hoot and holler and make noise to that degree, because it’s certainly their privilege to reject you. It was very, very rewarding and my style on this picture has been very transparent, I wanted to have a look at that future war that you speak of, probably just like you, there was no reason to make TERMINATOR 4. I just wanted to go after judgment day to see Connor fighting that war itself, because it’s only ever alluded to in such small snippets.

Quint: Yeah.

McG: I wanted to get after that and who better than Bale, who I regard as the most professional, talented actor of his generation to lead the way.

Quint: Well not only that, but he also shares a little bit of the continuity with TERMINATOR 2, because he looks a lot like the actor…

McG: Yeah, it’s not such a big stretch.

Quint: When you see him, at least in this one, I can see him as that guy, so if you are watching the Terminator films…

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McG: Well the funny thing is that we go to such great lengths to show where all of this came from. I mean we literally have Connor using the same computer device that he hacks an ATM machine, hacks the door at Cyberdine, he uses to hack SkyNet, you know what I mean? Its little things like that that show you not only is he a physical guy, he is also a clever guy. Also the Kyle Reese bits and pieces… Kyle Reese in his string shoulder holster for his shotgun… Where did that come from? It actually came from the Marcus character and every thing that goes with that and some of the lines of “Pain can be controlled, you just disconnect it.” The genesis of that line and where it went when Reese said that to Sarah Connor. As much story density as possible, just lots and lots of conversations with Jim Cameron… Lots of conversations with Arnold Schwarzenegger, obviously brining in Stan Winston and even in his passing keeping his core guys like John Rosengrant and everybody else as close as possible to the picture in the interest of honoring the passionate fan base, because… you know, I get it, I’m not the natural choice to make this film and I really want to shed myself of the past and show growth and grow as a film maker and use a completely different cinematic language, really really study the mythology and make sure that I was coming from a place of responsibility as to deliver and you know, you do that by hiring Christian. You do that by having Jonah Nolan write the picture and hopefully you take steps in the right direction and it certainly felt like today was a big shot in the ass as far as getting it right.

Quint: So much is really contingent upon the visual landmarks and by bringing in Winston… I can’t imagine that there is even a consideration of going somewhere else, because he is…

McG: There wasn’t for me, yeah and it’s just so funny, because he and I went through so much and he did the Superman suit when I was doing SUPERMAN and I was afraid of flying at the time and I couldn’t fly down to Australia and I got thrown off of the movie. He and I bonded over that really extensively and then he and I had a movie called ME AND MY MONSTER, which was about Stan as a kid and his imaginary monster friends and we connected very deeply over that and then of course this. He was around for the first year of prepping it and his passing was just crushing, but strangely poetic and beautiful and it is my intention to dedicate the picture to his memory, certainly. He is everywhere and it’s really his picture in that respect. How are you feeling about Sam Worthington?

Quint: Well, it’s hard to tell from the clips. I really want to see him in a big meaty scene, but I can’t believe that James Cameron would be wrong casting him in a lead, so I have so much faith in that and I don’t know if I have seen anything else that he has done.

McG: He did a picture called Somersault, which I like very much.

Quint: Oh, yeah.

McG: But it was my going down and working with him on AVATAR that really brought the confidence required to make the move and talking to Jim about it and away we go, but yeah I mean the interesting thing is also just the tactile reality of the world. In that whole thing we showed there was one visual effects shot. In four minutes of film and the cut was moving pretty quickly, it felt like a trailer and there is one shot with visual effects. Every single thing is practical and in camera. I don’t want my actors talking to C stands with tennis balls on them. I want everything to feel real and be emotional and I give you my world, Bale could give a frog’s fat ass about explosions and visual effects, he wants it to work if as if he went with you across the proscenium on a naked stage and just read it. He needs to work from a place of character and “How is this character different at the end of the picture than he was at the beginning of the picture?”

Quint: I can tell you from the fan perspective, getting Bale to be in the movie gave it such a vote of confidence almost.

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McG: Yeah, I thought that was required, because I certainly didn’t bring that on my own and that doesn’t bother me, because I have talked before about how you have to be Spicoli before you can become Sean Penn and you have to be on HAPPY DAYS before you become Ron Howard and on and on and on. You have to be on 21 JUMP STREET before you become Depp and do what you do and show people what your true colors really are and I’m willing to pay my dues and keep my nose to the grindstone, but the McG of yesterday is dead. I’m just looking forward to making this picture that poses ethical challenges to the audience without being preachy, but in the spirit of the first MATRIX picture or BLADE RUNNER, where yeah it was enjoyable on a “Let’s watch it level and then you and I can go spend four years in a graduate class talking about it.”

Quint: Or write books about it…

McG: Right on and that’s the intention of this movie and we will see. I think that Charlie Gibson is going to bring the machines to life in a way that you would never imagine. We have machines on the scale of TRANSFORMERS, you know what I mean, but they look like they Giger machines from ALIEN and I think that can be incredible if done properly, it’s just too early to talk about it, because we haven’t rendered all of that stuff yet, but Charlie is a pretty capable guy and we will see what he comes with.

Quint: It’s all about… Listen, fans are a little gunshy, we keep seeing the stuff we have grown up with done into haphazard or down right shitty movies… The prequels or even INDY 4 to an extent… We see things like ALIENS VS. PREDATOR…

McG: Bastardized!

Quint: Or it’s just tainted.

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McG: I accept that completely. You have got to understand, I am the fan. I am that guy, too. I’m not some other guy on the other side of the line. I’m the guy in the movie theater. I don’t have a screening room, I go to the theater every Friday night to see the opening pictures and that’s just who I am. I spent my entire childhood in and out of the theaters and I am that guy and I don’t like feeling ripped off and I think in the time of Alfonso Cuaron and Del Toro and certainly Chris Nolan and David Fincher, we are living in a great time for filmmaking and there is a chance for the biggest movies to be the best movies, like when I was a kid and you were a kid and you saw STAR WARS and it changed your life. You realize the Joseph Campbell components and the depth of the film, but the fun of the film and the originality of the film. Let’s return to that where you don’t have to apologize for a summer movie. That’s certainly the goal, but I mean who is to know? We are only halfway through photography, but I’ve been burned just like you and I am very very aware of that and I’m not jumping up and down saying “We have done it! It’s in the bag!” I am saying though however “It seems to feel quite good.” It feels quite good and just to get that response that we just got… People aren’t looking to give you that, especially me. Everybody is so hung up on my fucking stupid name, “What kind of a faggot calls himself “McG?” “I hate this guy, I’ll never get behind him.” Stuff like that is difficult to take, because I would be false if I went back on that and I’ve been called that since the day I was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan, I can’t change that now…

Quint: I mean, you just have to understand that it’s the knee jerk when we hear stuff like the rumors of the PG-13 and people are looking for any excuse to go “This is going to be another AVP. This is going to be another something that ruins what I grew up with.”

McG: I get it and you know, listen AVP could have been great, whatever, I’m not here to talk about that, but I meant what I said about… There are two people in this world that care about the rating, Jeff Robinoff, who was sitting in the front row who runs Warner Brothers and Jeff Blake, who was sitting in the front row, who runs Sony. Sony is releasing the picture internationally, Jeff’s releasing it domestically and both of them are like “Let the rating be what the rating is.” Having said that, I’m not going to back off the notion of “Should it be PG-13?” Who gives a shit? I thought THE DARK KNIGHT was made without compromise. It got a PG 13 rating. If there were more gore or more horror to some respect, I don’t know if the picture would be more desirable to me and you. I thought it was a master work and I walk away…

Quint: It’s true to that story. I think that the worry is that this movie is a future war film that is worried about a rating, but if you are not worried about the rating, that might be a different story.

McG: We are not worried at all about the rating and like I said, the only two people that would be were here today and they are not either. They’re the only ones who would be busting my chops going “Hey, we have got to hit that number. We have got to hit that rating” and they don’t care.

[The PR woman walks up and end the interview.]

Quint: I really appreciate you sitting down and…

McG: I’m delighted. I really enjoy the site. I read you all of the time everyday. I mean every column, you know how it is like everybody does. JJ and I talk about it all of the time, the whole thing and just it’s my favorite site, what can I tell you, so enjoy!

Quint: Thank you!

McG: Whenever you want, come out and watch the movie.

Quint: Really?

McG: Yeah, let’s look at some scenes, I agree trailers are bullshit, anybody can cut a good trailer, but come on and check it out. You are more than welcome whenever you want and I’m not kidding.

Quint: Alright. I just might take you up on that.

As you can see (and hear) McG is trying his hardest to prove his worth to us, the fans. It felt sincere to me, but as the old-timers say the proof is in the pudding. I want him to make an awesome movie and he’s got himself a great crew to achieve that goal, but we won’t know if he has it in him until we see the picture. The only thing he said in the interview that put me off was comparing TERMINATOR: SALVATION to THE DARK KNIGHT in terms of rating. I agree that THE DARK KNIGHT didn’t need anything else to push a higher rating, but at the same time it wasn’t built on a successful R-rated franchise. Plus a PG-13 rated Future War Terminator movie just doesn’t feel right to me. But I meant what I said when I told him that if he truly is making the film without a rating in mind then that’s a different story. I don’t know how possible that is, to not know if your film is possibly going to be rated R by this point, but it’s all conjecture at this point. We have to see more. I think Moriarty did a set visit, so I don’t know if I’ll take him up on his offer, but it’d be an interesting set to visit, I’m sure... especially if it was to actually watch some of the dramatic scenes put together. What are your impressions? -Quint

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  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by iamnicksaicnsn

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    I'll give him a chance

    by Lukecash

    He sounds like a stand up guy. I kinda wish he actually made the Superman might have been fun, instead of what we got. Which I didn't see....

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    And why I didn't see it...

    by Lukecash

    I heard the plot and ran. I knew it was going to suck.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Sounds good

    by preconcussion

    Almost sounds like he's hitting too many right notes. I'm still suspicious of the movie, but this certainly puts more faith in me. At least I can appreciate that he's honest and he's trying really hard.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    I'll give him the benefit of doubt

    by bongo123

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    I still don't get the "rapper" like name though..

    by bongo123

    whats with that, he seems like a totally normal guy, loves what hes doing, admits people get hung up on his fucking name.... so then why not change it and give yourself some crediblity? i mean, can you imagine the opening to T4, with the terminator music and all sorts of cool shit going on and then POP! directed by McG.. wtf!?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST


    by lord_zedd

    This movie will not be something anyone will write a book about. Casting Christian Bale in a film is not a vote of confidence about anything. I know you're reading this, McG, but I'm not pumped. Nothing personal.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    So after reading... Yeah, he sounds sincere.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I thought We Are Marshall was a decent flick for the genre. And it's awesome that he got Christian in and Nolan to write. I like how he gushes in regards to Robert Patrick. And cool that he got Winston, and a lot of feedback from Cameron. And hell, would I love to see the 3rd pic in this series where they actually have the tech and the capabilities that were only alluded to. <p> </p> <p> So the ball's in your court McG. Let's see what you got. </p>

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    what a faggot!

    by Loosejerk

    I mean, what kind of guy hits his mother and sister. A BATMAN, that's who!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    It doesn't need to be rated R

    by Earthquake WestCoast previous post was a mistake.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    I'll give it a chance

    by polyh3dron

    It's just a good thing that Warner is behind this, because if it were Fox it would DEFINITELY be another AVP.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    He seems quite earnest....

    by Kefrif

    and this is good. My opinion FWIW is that if he screws it up, then it won't be because he didn't try his hardest. I say let him get on and make the film without our fanboy "mauling" and see what film he and his teams make. Judge him after the fact, cos I reckon it'll be worth the wait.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    As for the PG13 rating, yeah i watched T2

    by bongo123

    on fri night with a mate, she had never seen it before (late getting into geekdom) and if that movie was released today it'd be a PG13, so i wouldnt gwet to hung up on the rating, the terminator movies weren't exactly bloodbaths

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:29 a.m. CST

    They're all

    by Rommel Catuncan

    robots. All of 'em. Connor. Marcus. Sarah. Kyle. Common. The Moon Bloodgood chick (fembot). Bryce (always suspect). The sniffer dogs. The fridge.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Re: Rapper name

    by lord_zedd

    I agree that while McG might have been a good alias during his music video making days, it looks silly on feature films such as this.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST

    He may sound serious but he's still McG and not Cameron.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Plus it still may be a teenie-pleasing PG-13 crapfest.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    well...i gotta give the guy some props...

    by LabattsBleu

    he comes off sounding like he actually gives a damn and it ain't simply a paycheck for him - mentioning Joseph Campbell can't be a bad sign! The film stock point was really interesting too. As for the name thing, dude, just go by your real name...everyone you are close to will still call you're not a kid anymore (Laurence Fishbourne used to be called "larry" after all)... I hope the studios see that a dense, "adult" film like The Dark Knight, can still make a boatload of money... I guess we'll have to wait and see...And He LOVED T2, so that is a damn, Damn good sign in my mind!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    McG has said that it's not a "rapper" name but a name since childhood as there were three Joseph's in his household. Or something like that. (Robots)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Oh, and T2 = masterpiece.

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    To all those kids that *heart* T3.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Rated "R"

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    It's fine if the movie is rated "R", but if it happens to be pg-13, that's o.k. too. After all, blood, guts, and bad language doesn't make a film any better. (Unless it's axel foley...then he NEEDS TO SAY THE F-WORD EVERY 2 MINUTES). As long as the terminator film is intense and epic-like, then it should do good. Btw again....who cares if the director has a stupid name . What if James Cameron name was "Jimmy buttfuker"? Would his films be any less awesome? Btw part 3....I want to see the cute terminator babe from the t.v. series in the film dammit!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    The results is all that matters

    by aversiontherapy2

    A lot of people are here to prejudge and try to be clever or insulting. I don't see the point, personal insults aren't going to make any difference to whether this film hits the mark or not. I agree that the first two films were soft 'R's, a PG13 wouldn't condemn this.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    EVERYBODY loved T2

    by lord_zedd

    even the people who made T3.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST


    by Shadow Warrior

    at first i was like, ok i'll watch purely coz of Bale. Then, holy shit jonah nolan is involved, definitely gonna watch this, hope it's good. Now, knowing McG seems to be at least trying ("the old McG is dead", that is so good to hear), this might have some chance to be pretty good. At least McG isn't clueless to what people think about him and tries to better himself from others' criticisms, unlike say... Bay or Lucas who just say 'fuck the critics, i'll just keep doing what i do'.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    poor guy

    by NedNederlander

    I kinda feel sorry for McG, I really do. He's gonna work his balls off trying to please everyone. I have no problem with anything he's made before, not my kinda thing, so I why should I be bothered. But this IS my kinda thing, and I really do hope it works out for him, because God forbid it doesn't, he's got enough people givin him shit as it is.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    He's lost weight.

    by MaxTheSilent

    Sorry, that's about as far as my interest in this article goes.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    let's keep wheeling out tired franchises

    by Prossor

    and forget any new concepts and ideas being thought up and brushed away by studios. i mean, we can take existing series to NEW places and events OH YEAH!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    "Lots of conversations with Arnold Schwarzenegger"

    by Rupee88

    uhh...why??? Was Arnold a huge creative force behind the past Terminator films? McG just seems like he is saying whatever he has to to try to get asses in seats...he seems like an overly slick politician...just like he is pimping Jonah Nolan as THE writer of the film when he isn't even listed on IMDB as one of the MANY writers. And of course he knows what rating he is going for...he's bullshitting. I think he is probably better than his goofy name, but maybe not much better. And I hope I'm wrong about all this and he hits it out of the park, but it is unlikely.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I'll give him a chance? - Lukecash

    by CarbonGhost

    fuck you dude he doesn't owe you a chance. it's his movie, let him fuck it up if he wants to.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    where is CHICKEN GEORGE VII?

    by Sir Loin

    His McG tirades were poetic, I miss the guy.<p>It does sound like McG is stepping up, so will give him the benefit of the doubt. This could be awesome.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST


    by TheDark0Knight

    Ive never liked McG but I also never disliked him...He's like Brett Ratner that way. He sounded legit in this interview...Terminator 3 was the softest R Ive seen in years...I really dont care if Salvation is Pg 13 I just want it to be great.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I thought he seemed pretty cool

    by Brody77

    And isn't he one of the guys who makes Supernatural? I'm a big fan of that show. Fair play to him, but T3 was still a horrific bag of shite & Arnie CANNOT let that be his last big role.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I think McG has a ton of potential

    by Rindain

    Charlie's Angels was a really well put together film despite the light subject matter. With the Terminator future war material he could make something amazing. Plus the Comic-Con footage was fucking great...Bale and Worthington are intense...can't wait to see more of their scenes together.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I watched "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" to get a sense of McG. In the commentary he's really proud of the play on the word "ass" scene and Drew's facial expressions during it. But then lately he's been saying how he made a crap sequel in the past and how he's a new man. He is obviously feeling the heat and wants to prove himself.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Fans don't understand...

    by Darth Fart difficult it is to make a film. They really don't. Good luck MCG. I disagree with you on the prequels, they are good films but most of the fans don't understand what Lucas was doing. The film is rich with symbolism. The dialogue is fairy-like, it's meant to be.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    T2 is a piece of SHIT

    by BauerJackBauer

    Just rewatched it for the first time in years. It's an insult to the original. FUCK you.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    yeah, change your name McG

    by Shadow Warrior

    Doesn't really bother me much, but it's better for your sake, hope you're reading these talkbacka. It's a good way to indicate to audiences that the old McG is dead, and the new one is named... whatever your name is.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Yeah, I remember when T2 came out. People came out of the theatre blown away. My friend was in shock, he didn't think it was going to be that good. I remember people cheering when Sarah hit that hospital face-licker. <P> I really like this cast. I saw Anton Yelchin in "Alpha Dog" and that took away some of my concerns about him. He was great in it. I'm interested in what Sam Worthington will do with Bale. I'm looking forward to this.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I agree. I was watching the T2 DVD with Cameron and Bill Wisher's commentary last night where he is talking about the themes of the movie and how the two films dovetail. T2 is such a perfect companion to the first film and it is such a brilliant piece of filmmaking. I've no interest in seeing this new one. And I thought The Dark Knight script was terrible, one of those films where everybody stands and says politically/idealistically naive generalities (especially Michael Caine) so not exactly holding my hopes up for a Terminator script from Jonah Nolan. The end of T2 is where it ends for me, on that shot of the highway.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    take him up on the visit!!!!

    by javery56

    get him to show you some clips!!! dont insult the guy. id jump at the chance to see terminator salvation clips.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    All the fanboy stuff...

    by 11dayempire

    "explaining where Resse got his string holster from" is a little worrying; we don't need fan-pleasing in-jokes. T2 did that to an extent ("I'll be back") but it invented *new* gags - Arnie twirling the shotgun, flicking the grenade launcher closed and so forth. And for my money, the important question is: will Brad Fiedel be doing the soundtrack? Or will they at least get someone with an electronic music background (Trent Reznor?) to work with Fiedel's themes? Because that's why T3 felt like a shitty TV movie; all that fucking orchestration.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by depalma25

    He's just giving an example of Bale's interest in every aspect of filmmaking. Stanley Kubrick could give a shit about his actors. He called them "sheep" at one point, and we wouldn't refute his greatness. Woody Allen gives little direction to his actors. Different directors work with actors in different ways. I think you're reaching a bit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Remember the T2 laserdisc boxset? Man, that was the greatest thing ever.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    "I just might take you up on that."

    by Shan

    There's no shame in saying you'd be there at the earliest opportunity once the footage is ready. We know we all would be too if we had the opportunity.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Cameron is the heart and soul

    by kwisatzhaderach

    of the Terminator movies. Take him out of the equation and you're left with an empty action movie, like T3.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    McG - I get that your feelings are hurt dude -

    by Brundlefly

    - if you're being insulted over a family nickname but my best advice would be to NOT read this site. Just make the films and let us do the geeking. That said, I really want you to make a cool 'Terminator' film - hopefully better than the last piece of shit they tried to sell as a Terminator flick...but if I hear you try to justify your name again, I'll fucking scream.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Quint - yeah, take him up on the offer

    by Rindain

    We all want to hear more about it, so why not?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Joseph Campbell

    by JimBobCooter

    I do hate when people religiously follow "The Hero Myth" as if a step-by-step template, especially when Campbell details the thousands of VARIATIONS on the common theme. <p> But, just for the record, Sarah Connor's journey fits into the hero myth template EXACTLY. Both T1 and T2. <p> But the point is... those movies are within a huge scope of other themes and characters details, so it works organically. <p> I do hope they nail this. John Connor has been a hugely underdeveloped character to me and I'm ready to see him kick ass instead of brooding about becoming a hero he's not ready to be.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Look, T2 wasn't that good a movie ..

    by MorpheusTheSandman

    it was one long - very well filmed - chasescene, and that's it. And Cameron gave us Piranha too, before he stepped up and made other things. And don't forget that McG gave us Supernatural too, so I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    viva la Old McG

    by Vern

    I don't see why the old McG has to be dead. The Charlie's Angels movies are enjoyable goofiness and I'm pretty sure nobody else could've or would've made them like that. I know people don't like them but so what, people didn't like Frankenstein's monster either, they tried to burn him, but they were wrong. That is very un-Full Throttle for McG to be giving in to those pussies. Fuck 'em.<p> As for Terminator I hope he does a good job, and he better not fuck up the history of Kyle Reese's gunstrap or whatever it was, that is some important shit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Robot apocalypses aren't

    by comedian_x

    for thirteen year olds. Period. I've never seen someone whose is thirteen fear robots; they all think they're ASIMO or Furby -- benign. Seventeen is when you realize what those motherfuckers can do. <p> Seriously, though, they should just do away with PG-13 and lower the age limit to 15 on R movies. That's the age studios want anyway -- teenagers -- not some 6th grader who started a year late because of lupus.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    We all know James Cameron directed "Piranha 2: The Spawning." And Curtis Hanson started with "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle" and "The River Wild." And Peter Jackson's movie before LOTR was "The Frighteners," etc. <p> So I'd like to see him step up. He certainly has a kinetic visual style, unlike, say, Ratner. <p> On the flip-side... what sequel or remake director HASN'T gushed about the original movie or game they are sequelizing, adapting, or reimagining. I mean, Singer worshipped Superman 1 above all else. Didn't quite hit the mark, though.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    But do we really need 4 pictures of a guy talking?

    by PoweredUpPacman

    That's what I wanna know AICN. Do you really think that we'd forget what the guy looks like every 4 paragraphs or so? "Damn, now what did this McG guy look like again? Let me scroll back- wait a sec! There's another picture! Thanks a bunch AICN, for saving me the trouble of having to scroll all the way back up due to my lack of short term memory after a lifetime of drug and alcohol abuse! You're the best!" Ok I might be overreacting a tad, but still, 4?? And what's up with tha armband McG-guy? You nearly convinced me on the name issue and then I noticed that rag on your wrist (on the third picture, so I guess there's use for at least 3, but still, 4??) and you made yourself look like a dick. Again. Nah, I'm just jealous that you get to work with cool guys like Bale and Winston, god rest his inmmortal soul, and get to play with Terminator dolls and shit. Damn my own inadequacy!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    One small step to getting the fanboys on his side....

    by LHombreSiniestro

    Change your "stupid fucking name". You admit it, then why keep it? At least go with Raoul McGee or something.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    "I get it, I’m not the natural choice to make this film"

    by Kevin Bosch

    An with that, he's won a chance from me. Actually, the trailer gave me confidence in the movie, but that bit of admission allows me get behind him. He's pretty much saying "I know the work I've done, i know how I've come across, I know what everybody thinks of me... but now I'm TRYING to do something different." I can at the very least respect that attitude and allow him a chance to prove himself. You'll never find somebody like Brett Ratner doing that, admitting their short comings and less then stellar public opinion. Those types thrive on self delusion, and until now everybody just assumed McG just fit into bunch. I was one of those that made his name a point of derision. "The biggest problem is that the movie is being directed by a grown man who calls himself McG" i believe was an argument of mine. But at the time, the apparently self given stage name just seemed indicative of the work he had done and the work he would continue to do and the type of person he chose to be within his career. Now I get that it's a family nickname, but it wasn't our job as audiences and fans and ticket buyers to know this. We were reacting more or less toward his track record. McG just seemed like the name of a guy that just wanted to make music videos and two Charlie's Angels movies in a row, and nothing worthwhile after that (for the record though, i think it was the second Angel's movie that actually solidifies people's opinion of him as a filmmaker). He brought it on himself; his name could've been John Smith and people would still cringe after Full Throttle. McG is just easier to make fun of and sounded like something that was a conscious choice by somebody that had made other bad choices already. That said, somebody's name, even a self appointed one, shouldn't be the basis of criticism towards their work. I remember that i really hated when Moriarty made explicit fun of Tarzam's name in his The Cell review, especially after it was revealed that his real name was McWeeny. (That said, i don't see the harm in attempting to have a semi-professional stage name. The credits still read James Cameron and Robert Zemickis, even though everybody calls them Jim and Bob. ) Anyway, in the end, i think I would just hate to be pigeon hold into something, not allowed to work on particular projects, just because some people out there think they know what I'm capable of. If anything, now I'm rooting for McG mainly because of that. He doesn't sound like the guy who thinks he DESERVES it (like Ratner and his "I made 'Family Man' so obviously i can make 'Red Dragon', duh" reasoning), but the guy that knows he needs to EARN it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm glad you liked The Dark Knight dude. I kind of liked it, it just felt as if something were missing for me, and i'm a big Chris Nolan fan so you're preaching to the converted here. I hated the Gordon reveal and the whole last 20 minutes of the film which really sent it south in my opinion. And after all the comparisons to Heat and Godfather Part II I guess I was setting myself up for a fall. Maybe I will learn to appreciate it more in time. But you need to know, I never post an opinion on here to appear cool, or contrarian. They're my honest opinions. I appreciate The Dark Knight is a minor masterpiece compared to the other summer shit, it just has a lot of flaws in my eyes. I didn't care about the characters, particularly kooky Rachel, whose death left me cold. But The Dark Knight did have one awesome image, The Joker hanging out of the back seat of the police car. That was an amazing moment.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels was good, but...

    by JT Kirk

    the guy has very little else under his belt that says "I know what I'm doing", and Charlie's Angels was a totally different thing - a reinvention, a stylization experiment, a way to say something fun and fresh and light in movies at the time without sacrificing action. And when they came back to it, that sequel was crap, too much style, too much money, too many ideas not well-delivered. Everything else I've seen of McG has been stylized, right down to his "I'm hip!" goatee - which I see is missing here - Fastlane, The OC, Chuck, that stuff all carries the Hollywood "made xtreme for young people!" stamp of approval which speaks against its value, since now it's a corporate marketing tool to a demographic more than an honest piece of cinema. Maybe that isn't entirely fair to shoehorn McG into that, but that's the reality of the situation, it's walking and quacking like a duck, and you don't give the duck keys to the Bentley.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Don't know...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...He talks the talk for most of the time, but then gets into worrying things like Reeses's "string shoulder holster". I mean, who gives a shit? Would any of you have been less happy if it indeed turned out that the string shoulder holster from T1 was just an improvised, spur of the moment thing on Reese's part? Finally we will learn why it is Reese fashions shoulder holsters from string! <p> That kind of stuff smacks too much of Lucasian BobaFettism, that is, paying so much attention to the ephemera of the mythos that you forget to tell a smashing story. <p> I hope I'm wrong, needless to say.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:29 a.m. CST

    ok mcg, you've won me over

    by ironic_name

    don't fuck up.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Memories of murder

    by Fortunesfool

    The Dark Knight was a very over written screenplay. It left the whole film feeling dry and clinical. Every set piece was a 'clever' moral dilemma and everyone stood about and discussed their motivation for what they were doing. I didn't give a shit about anyone in the movie apart from Jim Gordon. As a Batman movie - Fail.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    how do you shoot without a rating????


    lets say a terminator rips off john conors arm or something badass like that, how the fuck dont you know what rating your gonna get? pg13 apologist bullshit. who cares about ignoring pain, kyle's a badass that's how he gets through it. darth vader, the less backstory we know, the cooler he is, don't ruin this movie, please.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    no one will say "fuck", and no gory deaths

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    watch - i bet im right - its the future, a battle is raging, us against robot war machines - but no cussing beyond "hell, damn and crap" and no human bodies being ripped apart by robots (like in the animatrix cartoons, r rated combat) - im sure this will look amazing and ill see it, but i agree with a poster above... no new concepts? - how many original screenplays and ideas get shelved or never even read nowadays?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    McG for president

    by theplant

    suspicion is correct these days, we've been burned so many times. But I like the honesty in the first Charlie's Angel, and I'm willing to give this guy a chance. Even if all the trailers sucks, I'll be there on first day, due to that interview. I hope fingers crossed, you did right Mr Mac

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    dark knight would have been exactly the same

    by ironic_name

    story wise, spaz.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    A master salesman

    by David Cloverfield

    ladies and gents. The name dropping, the fond memories... The guy should sell timeshares. That said, I enjoyed the fuck out of Charlie's Angels, so he didn't need to sell me.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    And Fincher was right...

    by palimpsest

    If you haven't seen the alternative ALIEN 3 cut on the Quadrilogy box set, you really should.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Miller's "Dark Knight" was an R rated comic

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    there were no "fuck"s in T2

    by ironic_name

    and there were no gory deaths in either. unless you consider bill paxton being lifted up or t1000 exploding.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    No one has yet talked about how the action is shot

    by IndustryKiller!

    Will he use quick cut style techniques, that's just as important as the rating or anything else. The action has to be steady, well planned out, easy to see, but visceral. Like Saving Private Ryan. I, of course, am not expecting Saving Private Ryan from a movie about killer robots, but merely as a template for how the action is shot and sequenced. As far as I'm concerned no action film ever shot in that modern MTV style has ever been even near worthwhile. Bourne Supremecy was tight on a story and acting level but the action was such a fucking mess as to rob the film of any dramatic weight. Greengrass cleaned it up with Ultimatum but even that level of shaky would kill a Terminator film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    there was a "fucker" in t1

    by ironic_name

    big deal.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    "Lando's Aunt who was raised as an orphan by Jar Jar Binks and Han Solo lost his virginity to her. " Ha! That encapsulates it perfectly. <p> The upside is T4 will have swirling ass.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by JimBobCooter

    It's not called TERMIN4TOR, is it?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    It's got the ATM Hacker thing from T2?

    by Boba Fat

    I'm sold! It does sound OK though like T3 was OK. If it was Cameron we'd have a right to be foaming at the mouth with excitement but it's not so, maybe this is the closest were gonna get? Without Bale though I doubt I'd be giving it much of a chance which raises the question, how much can one actor raise the quality of a movie?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by Prossor

    need kill switch analysis plz. thx.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by V'Shael

    I don't hate him because of his name. Truthfully, I don't hate him at all. But he has been in charge of some movies where the script has absolutely sucked. So it's gotten to the point where his name is associated with crap, regardless of his skill as a director, simply because directors have more visibility than the ever-ignored writers.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST


    by javery56

    id say they just dont know which way the MPAA will swing... who does? the mpaa has lost it. how could anyone know what rating they are shooting for these days.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Mc G is the shit

    by theplant

    I don't see anyone else doing it. If he fucks up, then I guess people will come to him with laserguns and kill him. Do you think a guy like him wants to live ? Yes he does. He will not disappoint because he doesn't want to see his life terminated by a Terminator fan. Trust him.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    PS : T3 sucked

    by theplant

    And T2 is great apart from the sold out preachy "don't kill people" "hastalivista" shit. Cameron sold the franchise out way before and further Mc G will ever do.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    drturing, Gordon's trick not making sense???

    by Shadow Warrior

    It made a lot of sense. Joker would've targeted him or maybe his family, and he wouldn't have been able to do his job of trying to stop the Joker because of his fear of Joker's reprisals. He only revealed himself to be alive after they captured the Joker.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Eh, yeah, the string holster thing has me worried

    by caruso_stalker217

    We don't need a bunch of fuckin' callbacks to the other films. That's movie geek bullshit. We don't need to hear "Come with me if you want to live" yet again. It was wrong in T2 and it's still wrong. <p>Aside from that I'm looking forward to this. Just about anything is better than T3 and at the very least we'll get to see some nice robots and shit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST

    "Eluded" and "Alluded" are two different words, Quint

    by Steve Rogers

    Just a heads up. Nice interview. I agree, PG-13 would be bullshit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    TDK script was weak...and T2 is classic

    by Rupee88

    Don't even compare the two and bring T2 down to TDK's level. TDK has Health Ledger being incredibly charismatic and that's it. T2 had tons of cool shit and action and was so much better of a film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    And in the UK this franchise has wimped out since T2

    by palimpsest

    where the UK release was cut to gain a 15 certificate. The US cinema release was then used as the first home video verion, but was rated at 18. It was followed by a differently edited version for home video in the UK, again to gain a 15 certificate. Since 2000, weirdly enough, uncut versions have passed the BBFC at 15 rating. Funny old world; though it shows that the franchise has a history of compromise ratings-wise.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4 a.m. CST

    THE ROAD should make an awesome film

    by palimpsest

    if handled right. John Hillcoat directing, and Viggo Mortensen in the lead - a good start...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    I disagree, Rupee

    by caruso_stalker217

    T2 never made me go back to the theater again and again to see it. <p>And not because I was only five years old at the time. Actually, I watched it a shitload of times on video. <p>Anyway, THE DARK KNIGHT has Nicky Katt and that's a problem, but no bigger than the "hasta la vista" shit and John Conner being annoying in general. High-fives and shit like that. The thumbs-up at the end, etc. The two films are totally comparable.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    I Think that If I had only read

    by D o o d

    that interview, it would've come across sincere. However, if you listen to the soundbites and especially the ones where he's talking about making a movie on parr with Bladrunner or Star Wars. It was at that point I lost the whole sincerety in him. It does feel to me like he wants to be a successful director like Nolan, Fincher etc, but it has so far eluded him. I can't knock a man for wanting to do well, but I just feel that sometimes it's a gift and some people have it whilst others don't. Who knows, he may pull this out of the bag but I have a distinct feeling that he won't.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    TDK needed more action and Cool Shit

    by pokadoo

    ...less dumb acting and stuff. And a kick-ass Rock soundtrack. And Boobies. Huh-huh. that would be cool!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Hell, why not go all the way?

    by DocPazuzu

    Show Reese stealing pants from hobos in the future.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    I say give McG a chance

    by photoboy

    He does sound like he wants to be respectful of the source material and he's definitely done that with what we've seen so far. As long as the leaked ending is false (if you really do read the site McG, seriously, don't do that ending) then I'm eager to see what he's got.<br><br> I mean it's not like he's done a Michael Bay and changed everything about the story and re-designed the Terminators to look like shitty scrap heaps with flames is it?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I love how Quint Anti-Lucas editorializes every interview

    by TallBoy66

    Actually, wait, I don't. It's annoying, predictable, and repetitive. Stop being a douchebag, douchebag.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Too soon...after McSpaced

    by pokadoo

    But he does sound sincere. I hope he has the talent and vision to pull this off. Also, he produces Supernatural, so that's one thing he's involved with that I enjoy.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Lucas does still blow, though, right?

    by caruso_stalker217

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    The spoiler...

    by SunTzu77

    All I've got to say is if there is still any validity to that past spoiler...T4 sounds like a major letdown.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    McG did say the spoiler was b.s. right? He sounds sincere...time will tell.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Comparing T2 and Dark Knight

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron shoots his action scenes beautifully in T2. The action scenes in Dark Knight (and Begins) were a bit of a mess, Nolan is a cool director, but he's not an action director.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    "MCG's" Big Chance. DON'T FUCK UP MAN.

    by A G

    Terminator, like so many that have gone before it, takes EFFORT to make BAD. Die Hard 4.0 was crap, AVP 1 and 2 were crap, Terminator 3 was average at best. Christian Bale is in this which has given it so much credibility but it could still fail. I for one am now looking forward to it and will attend the opening weekend. And MCG if you do read this, don't even MENTION The Transformers in an interview about your new movie heh.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Pretty compelling testimony

    by pax256

    He likes what I like. Not shying form the interesting ethical issues... the truly great summer flicks. Sure the studio can come in and muck it up but somehow Im not worried about that here. He has me halfway convinced. Lets see another cool trailer...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:32 a.m. CST

    T2 is a bit cringe now

    by the_scream

    Great effects and action but the relationship between Arnold and Furlong is really contrived. "I know now why you cry". Give me a break.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Why T2 vs. TDK talk?

    by JimBobCooter

    Seriously. Both were kick ass and can kick ass simultaneously in the same universe. Both had the most memorable villains. Both had flaws that didn't bring down the awesomeness of the overall aesthetic. And both were critically acclaimed and rewatchable summer blockbusters. <p> CELEBRATE THIS SUMMER, because soon we will be back to stupid, mindless, condescending Summer bullshit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    has anybody watched PIRANHA 2 recently though?

    by Vern

    It's actually pretty fuckin good. I mean yes, it's cheap as hell (van with red tape on the side becomes an ambulance) and it's about flying piranhas, but Lance Henriksen is GREAT in it. One of the few full-on leading man roles he got to do, and the female lead is like a less scary Adrienne Barbeau. I like that Cameron had a chance to make this movie and really tried to make it serious, with classy credits and this family drama going on and everything. I was pleasantly surprised when I watched it again recently. <p> That said, T2 is better in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    McG directing action...

    by Ghostball

    He did some pretty sweet kung fu / chain fights in Charlies Angels 1, where he was aping Matrix pretty much wholesale but for a girly audience. <p>The less said about CA 2, the less said. But McG is clearly pushing himself here to take T4 'Empire Strikes Back' levels of goodness... Terminator 1 & 2 levels of goodnes... which is obviously impossible, crazy... but God bless the dude for at least wanting to aim that high. <p> Next year we are getting an already-intriguing looking Bale Terminator movie, a Watchmen movie that promises to largely deliver on requested copious amounts of chocolate covered pussy juice, and... Ava...fucking...tar. Then in 2011 Battle Fucking Angel! James Cameron, with not a speck of water around either picture! <p>We really don't deserve to have things this good right now. Yeah, we all know what happened the last time we allowed ourselves to get excited about anything... but at least lightning can never strike again with Phantom Menace levels of franchise-killing severity. Can it..?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Give him a chance, yawl!

    by Mr Gorilla

    His modesty and self-awareness in that interview were pretty amazing. He respects this site, and deserves a similar respect. By the way, for someone who believes in chaos, the Joker seems to be very organised - getting his teams to rig up those ships etc. And anyway, who would want to work for him? The beginning of the film showed that he kills his employees. And how does Two-Face talk properly when he only has half a mouth??

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    comparisons to Walter B anyone?

    by Crewman Number Six

    C'mon! How quickly we forget the crap Bruce fed us about making Die Hard 4 a gritty PG13 motherf*gunshot*r. He's obviously trying to appease the target audience

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Gotta disagree with you, Memories...

    by Hooded Justice

    That shot of Joker with his head out the window was great all right (who was driving the car by the way?) - but the movie should have ended there. Everything that followed was just dead weight in my opinion: the whole 'sonar-mobile phone' thing (where a boring, pointless gadget actually becomes a subplot in its own right: WTF?); the irrelevant ferry boat dilemma; the completely nonsensical and illogical way Harvey Dent suddenly goes bad (WTF? Afer one poorly-constructed, nihilistic speech from the man who murdered his fiancee? WTF?); And that final, ridiculous, pointless decision by Batman to take the blame for Harvey's murders. WTF? Er, wouldn't it have made more sense to pin it on the Joker.? After all, HE's the homicidal maniac in this scenario; also, HE's the one that set in motion all this mayhem and murder. If you have to pin the blame on some one, than he's the number one candidate by a mile. And lastly, that appallingly written epitaph from Commissioner Gordon that closes the movie, leaving a sour taste in the mouth...?<p>I don't understand all this uncritical praise for TDK. Take Batman and the Joker out of it, and you would get bored of the story after ten minutes.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by JimBobCooter

    First, they emphasize that a lot of The Joker recruits are mentally ill. A lot work for other gangs that are forming under the Joker and some, like the cops, are just threatened or paid off. <p> As per organized chaos... look at Osama Bin Laden. He is highly organized... asks his followers to kill themselves for him yet grows in popularity... and yet... what does he want, really? I would say even if the Middle East becomes a Muslim state, he would still be searching for something to rebel against, something to bring down... He is simply an agent of chaos, which makes him so scary to a "rational" warfare mentality. There is no compromise or negotiation b/c his demands are irrational. <p> I'd say TDK raises some relevant themes.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:09 a.m. CST

    I'll buy that pitch for a dollar!


    Seriously...I'll give him a shot. Good interview. We'll see...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    agreed JimBobCooter

    by Shadow Warrior

    also, joker says a lot of things that contradict, that's part of his being a psycho/schizo. Like his origins, about wanting to kill the batman ("kill the batman", "why would i wanna kill you?"), etc.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    TDK is NOT "Godfather" or "Heat" because it is a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. So, for the same reason Iron Man couldn't survive G-forces at high speeds or Gamma ray exposure doesn't make you superhuman and you can't curve bullets... Two-Face couldn't survive the burns and Sonar phones wouldn't work. <p> But the POINT is it is STILL FANTASY and it's about THE BROADER THEMES. <p> It isn't critic-proof... I agree about not liking Batman to take the fall in the end... but geez. Suspend the disbelief for a couple hours.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    I'll tell you about a GREAT little movie: A box-shaped robot is the only inhabitant of an empty, desolate planet. Trundling across the surface of his lonely world, his task is to keep the place tidy, a job which he tackles with the utmost diligence. But he's not just a soul-less automaton: he has dreams of a better life that are shown through a crackling old TV screen. But all this changes the day a rocket ship lands with a strange occupant on an exploratory mission to bring back a piece of the planet's surface material. The little robot's life will be forever transformed by the ensuing encounter.<p>Yes, you guessed right: I'm describing 1989's Oscar-nominated Wallace and Gromit's Grand Day Out.<p> Wall-E is VERY polished and very cute, and benefits from the best technology and resources the modern world can offer. But I'll take A GRAND DAY OUT's low-tech craftsmanship and personal vision any day of the week over Pixar's designed-by-committee slickness.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    you know something....

    by ragingdrunklove

    i like a man who sticks to his name. he could easily change it to uh...whatever it really is, but he's like "no, fuck you, my name is McG and so it shall remain"....there's balls in that. too bad it's such a stupid name. but still, i admire it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    walking the talk and fantastic flying fish

    by TurdontheRun

    well, McG says all the right things, but will he deliver? he sorely needs to inject some personality into his work if he's to stand out from brett ratner, len wiseman, and all those other bland hacks. when you see a james cameron film you KNOW its a cameron film. compare and contrast the colourless t3 to the original two and you'll see a distinct difference aesthetically and thematically. and let's have some classically composed action setpieces in this movie, instead of this atrocious mtv coverage that is the bane of modern blockbusters. by the way, cameron only worked on piranha 2 for a week, and replaced another director, so it hardly qualifies as his work. apparently the producer tried to make up a story that cameron was blowing the production money on coke and hookers in order to fire him and take over. then the producer went and filmed loads of gratuitous topless scenes and put them in the film without cameron's consent. the director's credit should really be alan smithee for that film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST


    by topaz4206

    He insists that "the old McG is dead." So really, why not reinvent yourself by using your birth name?<br><br>Personally, I think Joseph Nichol is COOLER than "McG."<br><br>And seriously, who outside of the geek community has any fucking clue who "McG" is anyway? Ask 1000 non-geeks from the street, and 1001 of them won't know.<br><br>P.S. "We Are Marshall" was a lovely film. That's all I got.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Fuck my old boots...

    by Ghostball

    What's with all the Batman talk? Bale aside, it and Terminator couldn't have less to do with each other if they tried.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    Last point about TDK... sorry... I also loved in the Ferry Scene how the "normal" boat democratically voted to blow the other boat up. Yet... when it came to one person pressing the button... their morals got in the way. When it was a "mob" mentality and anonymous votes, it was easy to kill. But when the man stood up and found himself alone and visible, he resisted. Says a lot about human nature. And it was the exact flip-side to drama in the prisoner's boat.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Osama Bin Laden Vs The Joker?

    by Hooded Justice

    Mr Gorilla, you couldn't be more wrong. You could NOT be more wrong. I'm saying this because I've heard quite a few people trying to give TDK extra credibility by saying it is a referring to Al-Qaeda and Islamic terrorism. This is complete NONSENSE and needs to be nipped in the bud.<p>First and foremost, Islamic terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden HAVE AN ETHOS AND PHILOSOPHY. They are carrying out their attacks in the name of God. They believe that THEY ARE THE GOOD GUYS. They see themselves as striking out at a GREAT EVIL. They believe their cause is not only justified but that it is JUST. They have other reasons besides religious ones, but rest assured, they think they are trying to defeat Evil. They see the West as THE GREAT SATAN - and we've also given them plenty of excuses to claim that.<p>This is not what the Joker is about at all. He doesn't care for Good or Evil, he is not striking out to avenge historic grievances. He's just causing mayhem because he enjoys it. Sure, in TDK he initially describes his reasons as being anarchistic. Later he seems to claim that his reasons are nihilistic. But, since he changes his story so often, you can't really believe any justification he gives. The most likely explanation is the one offered by Alfred: "Some men just like to watch the world burn. That is completely the opposite of Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. They think they are SAVING the world.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    He's talking the talk, but..

    by DiamondJoe

    ..ultimately, does this film have any real reason for existing, other than printing more money? I'm not buying it - The franchise ended with T2, as Cameron intended. T3? Get that rehashed bullshit the fuck out of my face. That crappy tv series? Don't make me laugh. Pale, superfluous imitations. I will see this movie and reserve judgement, and I do hope its good, but as yet I'm not convinced (particularly if that leaked ending is actually what happens - I mean wtf??) And Quint - knock off the "even Indy 4, to an extent" bollocks. We all know what a colossal piece of worthless cinematic shit that film is, so have the guts to actually give the beards the finger for it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the response, M-O-M..

    by Hooded Justice

    And respect to you too - I've read elsewhere the list of movies that you like - and it almost exactly co-incides with my own (Picnic At Hanging Rock is AWESOME).<p>Just a couple of short points 'cause trying to change some-one's mind is pointless...<p>By 'nihilism' I was referring to the Joker's speech to Harvey in the hospital. No one can make me believe that Harvey's sudden conversion was convincing. It was totally out of step with how the character was established in the rest of the movie. Yes, and that includes the 'interrogation' scene.<p>Trying to put 'adult' ideas or themes into a movie does NOT make it a good movie. And my feeling is that philosophical lessons are not behind the Nolans' desire to make this movie.<p>To me this movie was made as a series of 'impressive' or 'cool' kick-ass events. And then they tried to tie it together loosely with flimsy motivations and logic. I don't buy that there is any serious attempt to comment on human nature here. I've already explained the completely stupid and unnecessary decision to make Batman 'take the blame'. That decision was made solely for the purpose of gaining the audience's sympathy for Batman - without any consideration for how illogical it was. They could easily have pinned it on the Joker.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6 a.m. CST

    I give him a chance, BUT....

    by SpencerTrilby

    calling the Comic-Con people a "literate discriminate crowd" is not only a blatant case of buttering up the fans, but also a brave statement on its own right: I have no doubt that there are respectable individuals among them but as a group they truly look and sound like the stupidest mob on earth.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by VegasRon

    Congrats on saying the most inane thing I've ever read on this site: "Take Batman and the Joker out of it, and you would get bored of the story after ten minutes." Really? Idiot.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Blame the Joker?

    by VegasRon

    For murders he didn't commit? No, that was never an option for either Batman or Gordon.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Well, I've written on this before and am just using shorthand now. You haven't seen my other posts so it explains your knee-jerk reaction (to an extent). What most people would understand by my post is:<p>Take Batman and the Joker out of it and REPLACE THEM with Special Agent X and Super-terrosist Y and you would have a mediocre clone of a Mission Impossible/ Die Hard/ Speed/ True Lies/ etc anti-terrorist action film. And just for you, VegasRon: in this HYPOTHETICAL (it means we're using our IMAGINATION) scenario you can assume that the NAMES of Gordon, Fox, Dent, Gotham city would by changed too.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST


    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    I keep seeing people asking why didnt they pin the murders on the Joker. I think the main two reasons are that the Joker was already caught when Harvey was killed, so thats a no go, but another reason was that earlier in the film the mob boss told Batman that they knew he had rules so they were not intimidated by him anymore. By having the murders pinned on him it not only served the purpose of saving the hope of the city, but to make the criminal fear Batman once again.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice and Memories of Murder.......

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    Looks like we got a love connection. We'll be back in 2 and 2 and see if you guys want to go on another date.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    okay, VegasRon...

    by Hooded Justice

    Thanks for your posts because it makes your position very clear. My position is I don't reply to people who require every single point to be explained to them with qualifications, eventualities, sub-headings, annotations, step-by-step clarifications and foot-notes - and ALL IN LARGE TYPE. It's nothing personal - I just don't have the time.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    the most inane comment of all time

    by TurdontheRun

    take batman and the joker out of the film, take away the intelligent script,christopher nolan's direction, the terrific supporting performances, provocative moral dilemmas, great cinematography, music and editing, and you're left with a very poor film indeed. (disclaimer: this is sarcasm, for those slow on the uptake)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST


    by VegasRon

    Sorry I missed whatever epic treatise you wrote that explains how bad TDK is.<p> The only thing I can be fucked to even semi-respond to the percieved suddenness of Dent's turning. His "turning" starts earlier, and is a culmination of the tragic events surrounding him. Eckhart did a great job protraying a man who is at the beginning supremely confident and totally loses everything by the end. I thought his final standoff was a bit talky, but his motivation wasn't contrived, IMO.<p> I don't know wtf you're ranting about in the last post, I just simply stated that neither Batman nor Gordon would frame someone for several murders, even if it IS the Joker. Had he died, maybe.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Memories, I'm afriad it's getting difficult to have a proper discussion with you because it's clear that you're commenting on my posts after only half-reading them. This is the second time I feel obliged (and embarrassed) to have to refer you to a point I've already addressed. But here goes again:<p>As I said, The Joker at first explains his actions through the philosophy of ANARCHISM. Later on he seems to subscribe to NIHILISM. I said that in my post.<p>BUT, given that he seems to change his story all the time (as well as the origins of his scars), I would say he's making it up as he goes along and doesn't particularly care. Probably the most accurate explanation is what Alfred says: "Some men just like to watch the world burn."<p>But even if his philosophy is anarchism or nihilism, neither of them compare to Bin Laden's Islamic extremism. They are not even remotely related.<p>As to TDK, I don't hate it: it's got some 'cool' moments - but I require my action movies to have a minimum of logical progression and a minimum of plausibility within the context of the worlds they create. I am saying 'MINIMUM'! I'm not expecting anything unreasonable! And to be fair, most good actioners manage to do this. TDK doesn't though. I can admire the craftsmanship that's gone into it - and enjoy the setpieces - but it's a forgettable movie. There's much better examples of this kind of movie out there.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by Mr Gorilla

    Hey mister! Your points are all well-made, but, but but.... I would have suspended disbelief in TDK, except I had just watched BATMAN BEGINS, which pretty much told me NOT to suspend disbelief. Every gadget was explained and reasoned. Very carefully. In long and boring detail. ('Here's a car that we developed for bridge making'.) Also you are right about Bin Laden - except that his example shows just how hard it is to rig somewhere with explosives (something that happens 5 times in TDK, I think) - that's why his outfit resorts to brainwashing agents into suicide attacks. And finally, your point about the Joker's sidekicks being mentally ill. Would that be 'mentally ill, but not so much so that they cock up any of the Joker's complicated plans?' ANYWAY. Listen, TDK was a very very good movie. I enjoyed it - as much as it is possible to enjoy something with such dark themes. I was gripped throughout, and I completely applaud its ambition. (But as far as films about grinning madmen causing chaos go, I'll plump for V FOR VENDETTA any day.)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    I liked DH4

    by Dazzler69

    And that was R rating to PG-13. I think it will be fine as a PG-13.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Riley Martin

    by nukethefridge

    I laughed when he mentioned the road too!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    TDK fans...

    by Hooded Justice

    Look, I know where'e you're all coming from.<p>I remember back when Tim Burton's Batman came out (1989 I think). Everyone was saying it was a huge EVENT. That it was iconic. That it depicted two archetypes locked in a symbolic struggle against the background of a corrupt and and decaying urban nightmare. That it completely revamped the comic-book genre. That Nicholson's joker was a groundbreaking, landmark performance, the definitive interpretation of the character.<p>Nowadays it's generally recognised for the laughable piece of crap that it is. People are embarrassed to admit that they ever praised Nicholson's Joker. And it's clear that Burton's whimsical, romantic sensibility was ill-suited to the Batman franchise.<p>But at the time it was the IN thing. It captured the 'zeitgeist.' <p>So I understand that people are going apeshit for TDK. It's been a very bad summer for blockbusters: Indy 4 was a crushing disappiontment - and here we have a comic book movie that tries to take itself seriously. And we're falling over it in relief. And for extra points it makes some vague, half-baked attempts to jump on the post-9/11 bandwagon. So yeah, it's FLAVOUR OF THE MONTH.<p>It'll be forgotten about by Christmas.<p> And you guys will be back here in a couple of years saying it's a pile of crap.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Cameron did Pirahna 2!!!

    by bigj1124

    People should get a grip, there is so much positive news on this project that there really shouldn't be an issue!!Visually even from the trailer this thing looks interesting, McG, is the directors name, deal with it!!There is reason behind it, and it's not him trying to be cool!There have been conversations with Cameron, Arnold, there is amazing talent behind the cameras in ILM and Winston Studios and many others and a cast that looks amazing!!I for one will go see this film because of these factors.Plus I believe in not prejudging McG.I watched T2 recently and found it suprisingly lacking in excitement!!There were moments but there were in T3 also!!So cameron did Pirahnna and look where he is now!!McG did Charlies Angels, good light entertainment with some very good action sequences!!!Dam scene Charlies 2 especially!!!Love to hear some more positives!!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    For the last time, BATS TOOK THE BLAME

    by Shadow Warrior

    because: 1. Joker was already caught. Pinning the blame on him could get troublesome as others knew this, and a cover-up scandal would be bad. 2. Criminals no longer feared batman. as maroni said "they're onto you." Saying batman kills people will put the fear back in them. (someone else pointed this out). 3. batman realized the influence he had on gothamites (copycat batmen) as a hero was not what he hoped for, and is actually causing more harm. no hero worship means no copycats and more lives are saved. obviously, they can't say it was dent's fault. clear enough?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:18 a.m. CST

    McG is white?

    by Kizeesh

    I thought he was like a rapper or something. Seriously I'm not trolling I actually thought he was an ex-rapper.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Shadow Warrior

    i watched batman 89 (and batman returns) as a kid, and i thought it was crap and i felt my intelligence was insulted. honestly, not trying to be smart or anything. i never thought the burton films were great. but bb and tdk... different movies but both amazing.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    McG vs Cameron

    by Kizeesh

    Interestingly, I actually think moving away from Cameron is a good idea. Cameron is a visual genius and a very competant director of actors and action. But he's also a bit of a schmaltzy hack. I mean Terminator 2 is vastly inferior to Terminator, purely in terms of character and hard hitting story telling. T2 is so mired in it's own anti-nuclear war message and Sarah Connor's pithy soliloques that it slows down to a halt.<p> That's because T2 is sarah's story. Terminator was Reece's story, T3 was no-ones which is why it failed.<p> Hopefully Salvation will be John Connor's story.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    The pain from movies that suck

    by Abominable Snowcone

    can be controlled--you just disconnect them

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Re: hooded justice

    by Kizeesh

    I can't imagine what comic-book movie you would enjoy....oh wait.<p> TDK is justifiably a good film, while it may be riding the crest of it's own hype right now, that doesn't mean that it isn't worth at least some of it. Also I like how you wax lyrical about Batman capturing the zeitgeist of it's time and being loved, and then in the next breath say you didn't really like it. You're zeitgeist was soemwhere else I imagine.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    by bigj1124

    T3 even had some stunning imagery, the hunter killer sequence at the very beginning was stunning, if T4's LA scenes are anything like that scene it would be worth the price of admission solely for that!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Shadow Warrior...

    by Hooded Justice

    ...but the reasons you've given were all thought up...<p>by you.<p>They were not in the script. They were not in the movie.<p>Your explanations are pure conjecture on your part. But that's all they are. If ithey're not in the movie it's because they weren't put it in - and no amount of explaining by you, me or anyone CAN put them in.<p>I could just as easily say that Batman took the blame because it's part of a masterplan he has which will be revealed in the next movie. Or because he is actually planning to commit suicide so it doesn't matter. Or that the Devil made him do it. Or that he heard voices from Outer Space through his sonar device that told him to do it.<p>None of that makes it so.<p>'Cause it ain't in the movie.<p>I mean the reasons you give are pretty plausible. But they're your ideas. Not Nolan's. You say that Joker was caught? I say pin the murders on one of his henchmen. The Joker clearly has dozens. Say they did it on his orders. Say it was a henchman who wasn't identified (he was wearing a clown mask) and got away. End of story.<p> I can come up with any imaginary refutation to your imaginary justifications. It doesn't matter.<p>'Cause none of it is in the movie.<p>It's called a plot hole. A piece of silly logic that the film-makers hope you won't notice because you're letting the 'coolness' of the scene wash over you.<p>But if you're going to start explaining this particular plot hole, you might as well explain the many others in the movie. How much time have you got? Good luck!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Plot hole?

    by Kizeesh

    Did you fall asleep during batmana nd Gordon's conversation at the end? or Gordon's voice-over? Heaven forbid you might need to use your noggin to tie together why something was happening and not have it underlined in idiot-speak. Seriously, you started out sounding vaguely intelligent, now you sound like a brainless hater desperately clawing for reasons to back up his own opinion. <p>Why don;t you try going to see the movie again and try paying more attention. <p> also excuse me for earlier, I misread a comment by Shadow Warrior as yours.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    And about his name...

    by Bleakseason

    There was a while where John McTiernan wanted to be called McT... I remember reading one of Harry's reviews or interviews where he mentioned this, and that name was subsequently used for a while. Let's face some facts... McTiernan may have made a couple lemons in the past few years (Rollerball...shudder) but he's still the fucking man... and no one took him to task for wanting to be called McT. So... does a name like that look silly on a credit roll? Well, yeah... but who cares... that's his problem, and has nothing to do with his ability to make a decent film. And anyway... Diablo Cody is an even stupider name (whether real or fake) and no one bitch-slapped her for it. McG, slight word of warning... trying to please EVERYONE will only fail you in the end. You put the right elements in place (Bale, Winston, Nolan, etc, etc)... now go and make YOUR movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Mc Tiernan is not the man

    by Kizeesh

    he made about 2 admittedly amazing movies, and he's utterly failed to make anything better than slightly above average ever since.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    by bigj1124

    Lot of chat about Dark Knight, isn't this the T4 talkback?lol

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Blade Runner

    by Mr Gorilla

    is a BORING movie. Just for the record. Someone mentioned it - so I thought I should put them straight. The Duellists is much better.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hood Justice...

    by RorschachTest

    ...has one of the more logical and rationalised opinions of TDK I have seen on any 'movie nerd' forum in a while. So it makes sense that most of you passive fanboy douchebags automatically disagree...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    M-O-M. yackbacker...

    by Hooded Justice

    I don't mind a difference of opinion in the least. You rightly point out that this is what talkbaking's all about. I do get alarmed when I am accused of faulty logic on something I HAVEN'T said - or something I've said (clearly, I think!) that has been misunderstood (often deliberately on TBs, alas!).<p> I also get irritated when people can't deal with someone who neither LOVES nor HATES a movie - which is where I stand on TDK. I get mightily puzzled by people who are unable to aknowledge obvious faults and plot holes in a movie. At least say, 'yeah I know it's silly, I know it makes no sense - but I can get over it because it's BATMAN and I love that character! I can forgive the film-makers a little fuzzy logic because the character's so COOL."<p>That's a stance I can respect because it's honest. But I would also expect you to admit in that case, that without Batman in it, you would have little or no interest in the movie.<p>I enjoyed TDK. It's craftsmanship is highly professional. Everyone involved seems to be trying to do a serious job - and more power to them. But I don't see anything in this movie that will stand the test of time. In other words, I don't see it as the second coming.<p>I see TDK as THE LATEST THING, the NEWEST thing. So it's natural that people are excited at the moment. I don't think they will be in a year's time.<p>Example: Ledger's Joker. I've heard the most exaggerated, ridiculous claims about his performance. Oscar-worthy etc etc. Well, that's just hype. His performance is good. It's professional, it works. He did what he was asked and fit in with Nolan's vision. But if you want to grade the good performances in this movie, then I'm going to have to hand it to Gary Oldman's Commissioner Gordan - a study in retraint and dignity. Or Eckhart's Dent (pre-bizarre conversion to evil) - convincingly dedicated and driven as the DA. These roles are much more difficult to play than the Joker. They're more subtle, more nuanced.<p>But the villian is always the most fun character. And the Joker is an iconic villian. Personaly I think he's easy to play and any professional actor could do a decent job. People are lauding Ledger, but I think his recent death has a lot to do with it. I think the attractiveness of the character has a lot to do with it. I think our positive reaction to this performance has as much to do with the re-imaging of Alan Moore and Frank Miller as it does with Ledger's portrayal.<p>But in the long run, will he stand up against the great screen villians of the past? Will he be in the same bracket as:<p>Volonté's El Indio? Reed's Bill Sykes? Helpmann's Child Catcher? Seymour Hoffman's Davian? Guiness' Fagin? James earl Jones' Darth Vader? Bogart's Dobbs? Welles Harry Lime? Brando's Kurtz? Kinski in anything?<p>Personally, I don't think so. It'll be interesting to see what happens when some one else plays the Joker. What happens if that actor's performance is more subtle, more nuanced, more charismatic, scarier, funnier than Ledger's? That will get confusing for a lot of people!<p>What if Ledger hadn't taken the part in the first place? Would the movie have crashed and burned without him? No. They would have got some one else just as good (or better?) and THAT is the performance everyone would be nominating for an oscar today.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    ''big shot in the ass''


    How do we know the guy can't do serious big action movies if he don't get a chance? - Oh yeah, Charlies Angles!<P>His name is still lame and he chats some serious Bullshit ALL the time like he's constantly trying to sell himslef but T3 wasn't exactly amazing, just enjoyable although my mate thinks it's the best one!?<P>Anyway No inflating T-titties or lady shades or pet robot or bad 80s hair just plenty future warstuff and it might just work!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    It's not him....

    by Stormshadow4life

    It's just that I have little interest in a 4th Terminator movie. Maybe I'll be more interested next year though. But for now, Watchmen is the only 2009 movie I care about.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    yeah, lotsa TDK talk in a T4 tackbalk

    by Shadow Warrior

    well to summarize... Bale = good, nolan = good, Winston's people = good, McG seems sincere and is self-aware of what people think of him, and seems to want to make a really good effort to improve himself and make a good T4. So T4 has a chance of actually being good. All in agreement? I guess there's not much else to talk about. Continue with the TDK talk then...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Just one more thing...

    by Hooded Justice

    M-O-M, thanks for your comments again - I'm not saying TDK is bad - and I fully aknowledge that there's a LOT of quality in there. I can also see why people are getting enthusiastic about it. It's just that I'm looking for something a bit different in order to love a movie. Case in point:<p>You mention Alfred's story about the Burmese 'warlord'. Now this story TO ME is an CLASSIC example of the faulty logic and lack of consistency in the movie.<p>"Some men just like to watch the world burn," says Alfred. And then by way of example he tells the story of the Burmese 'warlord'. But the Burmese warlord WASN'T INTERESTED IN BURNING ANYTHING! He wasn't interested in destroying anything! From what Alfred told us, he liked STEALING JEWELS FOR FUN! Criminal behaviour certainly, but hardly world-shattering! Hardly terrorism! And a million miles away from what the Joker was doing!<p>And it was ALFRED's regiment WHO BURNED THE FOREST - NOT THE WARLORD. I repeat, it was Alfred and his men who were happy to watch the world burn! And why? Because they could not suffer a single man to be making a mockery of them.<p>So what on earth is the point of the story? It's actually Alfred and his regiment who come across as the 'greater evil'. And the story itself has no relation to what is happening to the Joker. Do you see my problem with it?<p>Because, the film-makers are not intending for us to LISTEN to what's being said or to THINK about it. It's supposed to sound COOL and we're supposed to let it wash over us.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Interesting that nobody's mentioned Supernatural

    by Manos

    It's managed to grow into a very good series. Granted, its small screen, but its still good, and for that alone, I'll give McG A chance.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Who care about the rating ?

    by m_prevette

    That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard on this site...a PG 13 or R rating makes ZERO difference in the quality of the movie. It's the script, the direction, the acting, th e staging of action scenes, the editing, the's not how many F bombs or how much gore is allowed that makes a movie...a PG 13 can be just as intense as any movie for Heaven's sake. Look at all the bad horror and action movies rated R ...oh ummm...they should be good because they're R rated then? The MPAA rating IS NOT A FACTOR in the quality of the movie. All the outcry last year over the Die Hard rating was just's not about saying "fuck" or spraying blood or more extreme violence.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    TDK is rated #1 on IMDB

    by Rupee88

    ahead of the Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, Pulp Fiction, etc. In other words it is INCREDIBLY OVERRATED. It was an ok movie, but you people who think it is such a masterpiece are just dumb...sorry to be so blunt, but you can't have high IQs. Heath Ledger was great and the rest of it was just ok.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    And the rating does matter to some degree

    by Rupee88

    It is a war movie and do you think war is PG-13??? No it is a hard R with people getting blown in half, etc. Terminator 2 didn't even have people getting killed in was robots fighting other robots for the most part. This is a war when people die and to PG-13 the fighting is lame. Of course they do it to make more money at the box office, but they do so with a lesser film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    TDK and BB are classics, you'll see

    by Shadow Warrior

    Some movies, you just know are gonna be classics, and BB and TDK are clearly made to be classics by nolan. Iron man, i don't think will age well. It's similar to T2, you watch it today and the action is still awesome, though the effects don't look as good anymore. But TDK and BB don't have that problem, everything looks pretty much real, and the stories told are great. The music, classic. cinematography, style, there are no stylized shots that look cool today that will look stupid in the future, nolan keeps it simple and gritty, and that's gonna stand the test of time. When you're not trying too hard to 'modernize' your movie, the less chance it has of aging badly.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Rupee88

    you are right about Ledger...he did a fine job but it wasn't that challenging of a role. Oldman was even better and he's a consummate true of the best.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    TDK is a masterpiece

    by mefrog

    It's a vast and epic film, especially when compared to its predecessor, with univversally outstanding performances and masterful direction that also happens to b an incredibly complex study of heroes and villians and their similarities. Is it better than something like The Godfather? I wouldn't say so, but I think it deserves all the praise its been getting.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by mefrog

    fucking edit button

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    The forest burning thing

    by Shadow Warrior

    the way i see it, they burned a forest to catch a thief. so yeah it was extreme, but the point that the nolans were making is that alfred and his men had to resort to extreme measures to catch the thief. nobody said about anyone dying from the fire anyway. so batman does the same thing, he burns down the forest to find a criminal. forest = Gotham, fire = sonar technology. Well, that's how I understood it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    And as for this interview...

    by mefrog

    McG sounds sincere enough, and like a cool dude. He's right about anyone can cut a good trailer especially when it's that choppy. But I'm still warming up to the whole thing, albeit VERY slowly. Quint's right about his comparison to TDK's PG-13 rating though... there are some things in Terminator that should be done that simply can't with PG-13.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Joker is not so hard to play

    by Shadow Warrior

    but Ledger still deserves the praise he gets for giving a fantastic performance. We could've gotten a mediocre joker, but he gave us the perfect one. Forget about his death, his joker was excellent dead or not dead. enough about how people say he was good just because he's dead, it's stupid. I watched TDK 3 times and no matter how hard i try to see or imagine ledger behind the makeup and costume, i have a very hard time seeing him. he's unrecognizable. Btw you know who i think could play a Joker as good as ledger's. christian bale. yeah he could do it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    No F bombs or gore in T2?

    by Lucidz

    Um. There are 8 F-bombs just in the IMDB quote page for T2, and I remember quite a few more. Terminator 2 had at least 7 brutal kills. Massive knife through face of John's foster dad. Pick through eyeball of the guard by his twin. And don't even forget about a gutted, slaughtered Dyson trying to hold the trigger up while his guts were on the floor. Lots of stuff in that movie would have never flown in pg-13.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Seymour Hoffman's Davian?

    by Lost Jarv

    are you joking?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Sure, Shadow Warrior...

    by Hooded Justice

    but again, that's NOT how the film-makers presented it. Are you saying that when Alfred said, "Some men like to watch the world burn' he was actually referring to himself in that story? No. He was referring to the Joker. And he was drawing a comparison with the Burmese 'warlord'. Except that in the story it is ALFRED who 'burns the world' - therefore the story makes no sense (and Alfred had no knowledge of the sonar system at that time - if ever).<p>Because scriptwriting is like making a jigsaw or a patchwork quilt - you work on different parts at different times and stitch them all together. The danger is that these discrepencies automatically crop up as a result. And IF YOU DON'T RE-READ your work you won't spot them.<p>This is clearly a case where they wrote both halves of Alfred's speech at different times -and didn't spot that they'd actually created an illogical piece of writing that cancels itself out.<p>Again, we are NOT supposed to question the script or think about it. You're supposed to let it wash over you. If you stop to think, than you will just fall into these endless little logic loops. Also the reason why you shouldn't try to rationalize something that the film-makers haven't explicitly explained. Your rationalisation will inevitably raise more questions than it answers.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Are You Flirting With Me Jazz Terminator?

    by LaserPants

    Sorry, I don't swing that way. But I think thats great that you can express your homosexuality like a Spartan and let all the world know that you are proud to be a raging queen.<br><br> Unfortunately, I am unsure whether or not your father figure, your RoboDaddy, the Terminator as portrayed in the nadir of the Terminator saga -- T2: OLD YELLER -- would agree with me. I think that he may be upset that his newfound son isn't a futuristic military general, but a morbidly obese queen chronically masturbating all over his Terminator 2 action figures whilst listening to Guns N' Posers and teasing his hair in neon 80s hair metal spandex.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice I'm gonna counter your response later

    by mefrog

    But I gotta run out the door now. But I do wanna respond to that.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    But, On Topic, This Does Sounds Cool

    by LaserPants

    Certainly it will be better than T2: WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY. It's written by the guy who co-wrote THE DARK KNIGHT! The guy who made it possible to make a bad-ass PG-13 movie! All hail the Nolans! Really looking forward. (Oh, but yeah, it should be R, but if its not, I am sure Nolan will be able to compensate and make it cool.)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST


    by Mr Gorilla

    ...has a good point. Shall we make this a DISCUSSION about TDK - which is what Hooded has done - and not have anyone claiming that the people who are asking questions about it, or making criticisms, are 'bashing' it in order to look cool. We're not. I enjoyed the film, I look forward to seeing it again, but do have reservations. Isn't it worth us all REALLY engaging with the subject matter (which includes but is not limited to: How many laws do you break in order to catch a bad man? What does it take to make a good person go bad? and so on) and chatting about the questions raised in the film, and whether it give us any answers. (Not that it has to, after all, it's a drama, not a lecture.)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    As far as greatest screen villains: Hannibal Lector

    by toadkillerdog

    I cannot beleive someone failed to mention him.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by Shadow Warrior

    You're right, if there's anyone in the world who can make the darkest pg13s, it's the nolans. prestige was pretty dark too. BUT, Chris Nolan won't be directing, so hopefully McG can pull of the dark themes and moods well. However, when McG says he doesn't know what it will be rated, it's clear that he's not planning to go way beyond the pg13 limit. Obviously he's not thinking about ripping off limbs or headshots or some blood, so that's a bummer. I dont want a gore-fest, but T4 has to have some blood man. MCG, MAKE IT R RATED!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I thought The Dark Knight

    by D o o d

    Ran way over time. I started noticing that I'd been in the cinema way too long and that can't be good. It's a good film but I agree that it's very much over-rated.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by toadkillerdog

    Excellent point on the Alfred speech. It seemed to me that the Nolans got caught up in giving Alfred a backstory and Caine a moment, and lost the plot point. Yes, we know what they were trying to say, that some men just don't give a patootie, but the way they did it made about as much sense as the Halle Berry Toad line in X-Men.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    How can he not know the rating?

    by C Legion

    He's shooting the fucking thing, how can he not know if there are violent scenes in it or not? Also the fact that he compares it to a Batman film, films which have never been R rated, as opposed to the Terminator films, shows that he's full of shit<p>This will be PG-13, 100%.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Is he that guy in ST:Voyager?

    by mothandrust

    Looks like him...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Ah, McFuck off!!!

    by spud mcspud

    Just kidding. In all seriousness, McG does seem fairly keen to be taken seriously as a moviemaker, to shake off his past and get the job done. In that spirit, I'll respect that and judge him on the movie and not his background.<P> But you know, McG - don't entirely throw out your old style! I enjoyed the hell out of the CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies - once you understand they are basically live-action cartoons, anything goes and they are a hundred kinds of fun. Without the CHARLIE'S ANGELS movies going first, I doubt we'd have had a CRANK or SHOOT 'EM UP - which would have been a damn shame. They're kids movies made ofr adults, pure daft fun, and I'd love to see an ANGELS III, round off a trilogy there.<P> Oh, and about the name... you may have been called it since birth, but it comes off like you're a middle-aged ex-frat boy who still calls all his mates "dude" and talks about boning chicks half his age etc. It's your prerogative, but maybe a namechange would help you get that credibility you so obviously want. But hey - fuck us fanboys, we're basically whinging bitches, and if you aren't called McG I can't tell you to McFuck Off, and where's the fun in that?<P> Keep the faith, McDude, and make a fucknig good movie. All is forgiven - even that McFucking name - if you do that. Good luck, and bitch-slap Bale if he gets out of line. I hear he likes that shit ;D

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    it's in the eating of said pudding!!!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    about the running time again

    by Shadow Warrior

    it was fast-paced, like BB. One of the flaws of Nolan's bat films is that he doesn't seem to have enough time to really flesh characters out, there's so much story and it feels a bit rushed. I didn't feel TDK was long at all. one friend of mine did, though she wasn't really complaining i think. but to those who felt it was long, what about the lord of the rings movies? those were long too, same as king kong. were you complaining about those? or do those movies get a pass coz they're supposed to be epics? I'm not being sarcastic, i wanna know. those movies i mentioned were long right?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Good Interview

    by Unlabled

    And it's reassuring. This guy knows what he has to do to please the fans and it seems like he is going to do it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Seriously, Quint

    by SamuelLappDance

    You're bad-mouthing the prequels and Indy IV to a guy who directed the fucking Charlie's Angels movies?! When McG can actually create an entire galaxy or an iconic action character and all his beloved foibles on his own, then he will be a legit player worthy of discussion. Until then, he's just an interpreter trying to piggyback on the greatness others (Cameron, specifically) forged years earlier. 99 percent of the filmmakers working in the biz today could not come up with something as good as "Revenge of the Sith."

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    The McG and Michael Bay connection...

    by MCVamp

    You get these guys who are technically gifted visual filmmakers, right? And they make some studio-influenced eye candy bullshit for their first few movies. Well, then they run into a project that offers them the biggest chance to mature. What they do with that movie could determine the rest of their career. Bay was given Pearl Harbor and could have given a mature, thoughtful undercurrent to the events surrounding the carnage of the attack. But Bay didn't put the thought of "I want to make a FILM, not a movie" into his effort. He just thought, "Fuck it...this is just a historical mini-Armageddon, what's the big deal" and proceeded to fuck it up and barrel on forward. Terminator, while not remotely close to a world event like Pearl Harbor (the real thing) is still something that could make or break a guy for decades. McG, unlike Bay, sees that and wants to take the opportunity to shake the reputation as a guy whose most famous contribution to film thus far is making Cameron Diaz's bony ass somehow look like the juciest piece of tail in the world (no small feat.) Fuck it. I'm 1000% behind him if he's sincere about it. Casting Bale alone is hope...think about it. When Bay got his big chance to show depth, who did he cast in the lead? Ben Affleck. I rest my case.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior...

    by Hooded Justice

    I agree with you about long movies. I found TDK way too long. Same goes for the LOTR movies -and most especially the Pirates Of the Caribbean movies.<p>I don't see why a mainstream movie needs to be longer than an hour and a half. It is extremely difficult to keep a story going beyond that length. Many movies can't even sustain an hour and a half. A movie needs to have an excellent reason to be two hours. There are VERY few movies that can sustain more than that. And a three-hour movie? Only Lawrence Of Arabia springs to mind.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I wish dude well

    by Darth Thoth

    I will buy a ticket and give the film a chance.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    McG has my vote...for now... ALSO, cgi Schwarzenegger rumor!

    by ABking

    By the sound of things, I'll reserve judgment. He has won me over...for now. Can't wait until the rumors of CGI Arnie pans out as next years biggest secret. Go here to read more

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    "99 percent of the filmmakers working in the biz today could not come up with something as good as "Revenge of the Sith.""<P> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!<P> Oh, that is some FUNNY shit. Seriously, some fucking funny shit. Because I dropped a massive bog otter this morning, and you know, it was more entertaining than the entire prequel saga! With, like, better dialogue AND a coherent narrative. No trade sanctions bollocks, no taxation blah blah, no fucking awful Skywhinging, just a very streamlined turd that was waaaaaay more fun to sit through than those fucking excuses for entertainment were.<P> Man, you are a funny guy. Like you fuckin' amuse me.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by g-ride9000

    sits down with quint

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Makes Me Feel A Little Bad

    by Crow3711

    Yeah, he's made some seriously crappy movies, but "the McG of yesterday is dead" gives some hope, I really feel hes trying to shed his image. Getting rid of his name would help, but hearig its been his name since the day he was born, you can't fault him for that. If it was some terrible nickname he gave himself to be a cool director with a catchy name like we all thought, thats one thing. But its basically the guys name, I feel that. This interview has convinced me he needs a real chance, and I think he is taking the chance he has very seriously. I'll give him another chance, for one.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    CGI Arnold...

    by Ghostball

    Would be a good idea, as long as it looked completely, completely, compltely real and not, not, NOT like the play-doh/wax museum train crash that was the Rock in Mummy Returns...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Good three hour movies... (& note to spud)

    by MCVamp

    Godfather 2 and Malcolm X also fit into that category. Oh, and Spud McSpud...if you at least grant that one could not make Revenge of the Sith without creating the entire Star Wars universe around it, it could still consider SamuelLappDance's statement as true whether they liked ROTS or not.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    “How is this character different at...

    by g-ride9000

    “How is this character different at the end of the picture than he was at the beginning of the picture?” <P><P>this is called character arch McG, and its suppost to happen every time there is a "STORY" in a "Drama". This is what scares me, he talks like a high school drama teacher who's still doing a little learning of his own.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    keep it real

    by Reckoner

    I have faith that this will turn out well. I like the minimalist look of the teaser trailer, and the fact that it looks kind of raw. And it sounds like it will have a good story & plot instead of just visual eye-candy.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Captain Katanga

    You are totally misunderstanding Alfred's Burma story. It makes perfect sense. The craziest part of your argument is when you link "some men just want to watch the world burn" to the fact that Alfred burnt down the jungle, as if the speech was about literally burning things! Let me explain: The whole speech is triggered by Wayne's assertion that criminals aren't complicated, that he can get to the Joker once he finds out what he wants. Alfred then tells the story of the thief in Burma, with the key point being that he was throwing the jewels away. He wasn't motivated by greed, he didn't want to get rich, he was just risking his life for... well, who knows? It's the same with the Joker, he's much more dangerous because he's unpredictable, his motives are much more unclear, and so its much harder to get to him. The speech is not about literally setting fire to things lol. I would love to see you go up to Jonah and Chris Nolan and go "hey Alfred's speech makes NO SENSE, because he said the Joker wants to watch the world burn, but Alfred burnt down the jungle!" and then watch them shake their heads in disbelief.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Burning the forest vs watching the world burn

    by Kizeesh

    Personally I agree with Shadow Warrior, that was my interpretation of the story and Batman's use of the Sonar. But I think that you're reading too much into Michael Caine's other line. I never took Watching the world burn being a party to the story in the same way. It's just a great way of describing someone who only wants chaos. So again Hooded, I must disagree. Also I enjoyed TDK a lot, but I didn't love it unconditionally, it has its fair share of faults and flaws. But you on the other hand have stated that it's not great and anyone saying it is must be caught in some sort of media frenzy. Can't you just accept that some poeple liked the movie?<p> If not then there's no point talking to you, you're just like one of those angry militant anti-smokers who says that no-one enjoys cigarettes, it's just their addiction telling them they do.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    He directed the Charlie's Angels movies? As if this needed to sound any worse...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Arnies last role...

    by chuffsterUK

    ...was in The Kid And I ;)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I think the interview was a success for McG

    by Sakurai

    It will at least subdue some of the personal attacks on him until the film comes out. Of course, after its out...its open season again. (not for me of course, I see no gain in verbally assaulting a filmmaker I dont like.)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    RE: Alfred's Burma Story

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well said by Shadow Warrior, Captain Katanga, and Kizeesh and I'm in agreement. How anyone could so grossly misunderstand Alfred's story (and the point contained therein) is really, really odd.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I liked his reference to THE ROAD....good book...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and maybe we stand a chance of getting a movie made by someone going for his big break.....instead of a movie by a great director (Spielberg) who just isn't that into the movie (IndyIV) and just phones it in...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    As for McG and further TERMINATOR adventures...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...I'm indifferent. Much like the PREDATOR/ALIENS franchises, I feel the TERMINATOR franchise has been rendered pointless. The story should have ended at T2. And while I know that many enjoy T3 and the strangely successful TV show, I have no use for them.<P>That being said, I can't really hold anything against McG for trying something "new". I think we've all wanted to see more of the world that John Connor fights for in the future. So, maybe McG & Co. have come up with something that will make the concept worth checking out again. (He definitely seems to have more geek-momentum behind him than I would have thought.) I just wish he had a better cinematic record before trying to something as ambitious as a new TERMINATOR trilogy.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Captain Katanga...

    by Hooded Justice

    No, I stick to what I said. This movie has all the typical hallmarks of a stitched-together script on a tight time frame. I don't think Nolan would refuse to aknowledge that what he wrote is inconsistent. I think he would agree that film-making is a complicated process, that you write different pieces of the script out of order - and that they change as time goes along. And that when he was writing the script, within a defined time-frame, there were a huge number of other things on his mind.<p>He may or may not say privately that people have lower expectations of a script for a comic book movie than for other movies, that the main thing is that the action scenes are exciting and that a logical plot takes second place to other considerations (Stunts, special effects, gadgets,costumes, explosions etc).<p>As to people interpreting inconsistencies differently: well, I interpret it one way, you interpret it another... a well-written script manages to ensure that plot developments, motivations, character development are clear and consistent to EVERYONE. It's part of the script-writing job: to tie up all loose ends and make sure that your story is watertight. Alfred's story is only ONE example - and a small one at that! I find Harvey Dent's sudden conversion to Two-Face to be one of the most rushed and implausible character developments I've ever seen. They might as well have turned Morgan Freeman into a bad guy - it wouldn't have been any less convincing.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Captain Katanga

    For the record, I never said the movie was perfect either, I had no problem with Dent's transformation really, but I totally understand how some people might. However, you clearly didn't understand the Burma story. Most people did. You can't blame the script because you didn't get it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Hard road ahead

    by veritasses

    Any man that wants to shed his past and is sincere in his efforts to prove himself to the world that he's changed for the better deserves that chance. I applaud his desire to grow and his determination. I wish him the best. But, if he's asking for trust and he's taking a sacred franchise to prove his worth and if he's making bold claims then he needs to deliver and deliver Big. Anything less than 'Stellar" will feel like a betrayal of that trust and the blogs and fans sites, I'm sure, will be relentless. ... And if it is successful, I hope he doesn't let it get to his head. Fans will turn against anyone who loses humility and replaces it with arrogance.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by ilovemichealbay

    But please could you hire BRAD FRIEDEL to do the score. One of the reasons why T3 didn't feel right was because the score by marco beltrami was disapointing, there was no continuity with T1 or T2 and it didn't feel epic enough. And if you can get Arnold back, that would be a bonus. McG you can't recast his role, he owns it. Just like Clint owns dirty harry, Sly owns Rambo, Willis owns John McClane and Ford owns indiana jones. Please McG just do those two requests for the fans.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    McG should have directed Superman Returns.

    by Saluki

    Would have been colorful, vibrant, and he could make a PG-13 flick without ticking a few people off.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    "a vote of confidence almost"

    by CherryValance

    Funny and true. I really haven't seen a bad Bale movie that's why I was pretty much shocked that he was doing this. So we'll see. I mean, reading the ending spoiler, I actually thought it made sense so it could be good. Stranger things have happened.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by mefrog

    How is Alfred's speech even remotely inconsistent? You're taking the direct, literal meaning of Alfred saying "some men just want to watch the world burn" and applying it to Alfred's point saying "we burned the forest down" when in fact they are two completely different things.<br> <br> Watching the world burn is intended to mean that the Joker simply wants the world to plunge into chaos - it fits perfectly with the rest of the script - the assassination attempt on Reese, the fall of Harvey Dent, Joker burning his money, and turning the people of the boat against each other. The Joker literally wants to watch the world destroy itself.<br> <br> Alfred saying "we burned the forest down" is, admittedly, a bit extreme to catch a bandit. However, Alfred's not subtley saying, "Hey, Bruce, use that sonar thing and apply it to all of Gotham!" He's simply saying that he had to take extreme measures that may have even been beyond what he felt was right to catch the bandit. And this is what Bruce feels he must do. Take extreme measures. Burn the forest down. Bend his rules a bit. I agree with what you said about a script having to be patched together but everything in TDK was seamlessly put in place. Yes, Alfred's backstory seems a little too perfect to represent a small version of what Batman must do but that doesn't make it any less symbolic.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by mefrog

    How is Alfred's speech even remotely inconsistent? You're taking the direct, literal meaning of Alfred saying "some men just want to watch the world burn" and applying it to Alfred's point saying "we burned the forest down" when in fact they are two completely different things.<br> <br> Watching the world burn is intended to mean that the Joker simply wants the world to plunge into chaos - it fits perfectly with the rest of the script - the assassination attempt on Reese, the fall of Harvey Dent, Joker burning his money, and turning the people of the boat against each other. The Joker literally wants to watch the world destroy itself.<br> <br> Alfred saying "we burned the forest down" is, admittedly, a bit extreme to catch a bandit. However, Alfred's not subtley saying, "Hey, Bruce, use that sonar thing and apply it to all of Gotham!" He's simply saying that he had to take extreme measures that may have even been beyond what he felt was right to catch the bandit. And this is what Bruce feels he must do. Take extreme measures. Burn the forest down. Bend his rules a bit. I agree with what you said about a script having to be patched together but everything in TDK was seamlessly put in place. Yes, Alfred's backstory seems a little too perfect to represent a small version of what Batman must do but that doesn't make it any less symbolic.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    fucking double post

    by mefrog


  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Its Just A Movie, why such hatred?

    by bigj1124

    There have been poor directors before who have turned in good work and great directors that have created poor movies, so lets just see what McG does with the francise, I for one am behind the man, he has enough quality working alongside him to make a fantastic movie, give him abreak!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    No, I don't blame the script for my 'not getting it'. I get it: they were trying to make Alfred's story sound 'cool' to an audience. And it does. They were trying to draw a connection between this Burmese 'warlord' and the Joker - that they do what they do for fun and that's it. So far so I think we agree.<p>But I do blame the script for getting muddled and mixing its metaphors. Because then they added something else that sounded very cool but unfortunately backfired on their intentions: when Alfred says (in a later scene) that he and his men burned down the forest. You see, a writer makes links and connections between scenes and uses repeated phrases (or motifs if you prefer) to achieve different effects. Here is a case where they wrote the start and end of the story at two different times and failed to link the two properly. Instead, they've unfortunately linked Alfred with the word 'burning' and in the story it's Alfred and his regiment who 'burn the world'. Are they being super-clever, with a tricksy, double-twist of irony? Er, no: that's clearly not the genre they're writing in - or the tenor of the script. It's just an unfortunate mistake. They didn't have time to fix it: and anyway, the script is 'good enough' for a studio big-budget comic book movie. People will ignore this inconsistency along with all the others because TDK ROCKS! So yeah, I get it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Shadow Warrior

    you complain that TDK is not clear enough, though a few here share my interpretations of the film. Wouldn't it be possible that that's the way the Nolan's intended it to be and we got what they were saying and just maybe you didn't? I also agree with katanga that alfred wasn't talking about literal burning of things, which would seem quite stupid, and the Nolan's have proven themselves to be intelligent writers. Which brings me to another point. I very much doubt the Nolans put action ahead of story. These brothers are all about story. In fact I bet it's the other way around, they probably built the action scenes around the story. Do you know how the Nolans work? One writes a script then passes on to the other who rewrites it, and back and forth it goes until they're both satisfied. So after Memento and Prestige, you think they'd dumb down their material and suddenly focus on action and insert a story somewhere? As for Dent's transformation, you felt it was rushed, but you complain that the movie is too long. You want all loose ends tied up, but a lot bitch about how Nolan explains everything in detail with exposition. so... what do you guys really want???

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by Rando Calrisian

    I just spent an hour reading this whole talkback. <br> <br> For any who care, here's my thoughts. If James Cameron were directing OR producing this movie, I would have a lot more enthusiasm for it. The fact the McG has consulted with Cameron is cool I guess, but I am curious as to what came of that conversation. Is Cameron behind this film? Does he feel it is going in the right direction? This is his universe afterall. <br> <br> McG saying the old McG is dead is one thing, but I'll believe it when I see a movie that is actually really good. A movie that takes itself seriously with out all the in jokes posed at the earlier films. Cahrlie's Angels was one thing - Terminator is a little different. He sounds sincere here. Johnathan Mostow also sounded sincere when talking about T3. Spielberg sounded sincere when talking about Indy 4. Being sincere doesn't necessarily mean we'll get a film that lives up to our memories of T1 and T2. <br> <br> And this talk and comparison between T2 and TDK is actually pretty accurate in my view. I totally remember the similar feelings surrounding T2 at the time of it's release. No one had seen a summer flick that kicked so much ass. I really enjoyed TDK. I've seen it twice - and it was cool both times. But lets face it - in a couple years when the honeymoon has worn off - our views about it might not be as strong as they are today. Just as when viewing T2 today, it is a little hard not to see the flaws it held. Don't get me wrong, I still love T1 and T2, but as an audience, we've changed. What was awesome then is less so today, and that will probably be the same 10 years from now for TDK. <br> <br> McG, I wish you all the luck. Everyone wants you to knock this one out of the park. If you can deliver the film you are talking about here, a lot of the silly name thing will be forgotten.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by mefrog

    I'm sorry, but that's a bit of a stretch for an argument. They screwed up the entire metaphor just because they used the word "burning" twice? So the meaning would have been entirely different if Alfred said "Some men just want to watch the world destroy themselves" or "We tore the forest apart"?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I hope he swings it out of the park

    by hegele

    I really disliked T3. I don't care for the Sarah Conner Chronicals. I adore Terminator and T2. I would love a real Terminator sequel if theres room for one. I think Charlies Angels is fun. Didn't see his other films. But he really is saying all the right things. The idea of the silver-enhanced film stock sounds interesting. I'm not a fan of the screenwriters (Catwoman and T3!) but having McG, Nolan and Bale do re-writes makes me feel more confident that the story will be treated well. I do agree with Quint about the rating. Its odd that an instalment in this series with a 12 year old as the lead can land an R rating only later to see an instalment about a full scale world war land a PG-13 rating. That doesn't sit well with me.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    BTW... this seems the first real discussion

    by mefrog

    I've had on AICN about a movie that hasn't evolved into a flame war.<br> <br> Congrats everyone.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    But McG isn't really his name...

    by Sith Witch

    it's Joseph Nichol. How would it not be self-respecting to go back to his real birth name? Who cares what kids in 3rd grade called him once he leaked out his middle name.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Rando Calrisian

    by Shadow Warrior

    I don't think TDK will be less awesome in time. Just look at the quality of movies we're getting nowadays. TDK is hard to top, and T2 is still awesome despite it's corny elements. The action is still some of the best I've ever seen.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    McG or no McG, I'm seeing this film--it's a TERMINATOR film

    by heyscot

    . . .and it has Christian fucking Bale in it. I will give this movie a shot because of those two things. I don't know McG very well, but I didn't like the Charlie's Angels movies very much because they felt too hyper-stylized and cartoony. James Cameron is a madman genius but I am rooting for McG to pull it off. We're rooting for you, McG. I hope you're having fun making this picture and enjoying the process.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I've never understood the hate for T2

    by mefrog

    I was very young when it was released, and my dad showed it to me on DVD I remember FREAKING OUT when the T-1000 walked through the bars. It's been a couple years since I've watched it, but despite the awful acting from good 'ol Furlong I thought it was a great, great action film and solid follow-up.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Would the original Terminator be rated R today?

    by heyscot

    I think it's a valid question. Honestly, I thought "The Dark Knight" should've been R.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by SilentP

    uh... have you considered that Alfred burning the forest down might be an intentional connection, to show that in order to stop the criminal he had to become a little like him?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by Shadow Warrior

    don't forget, jonathan nolan is involved, so that's another plus.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Fair enough, mefrog...

    by Hooded Justice

    Hey, we all enjoy TDK in our own way. A lot of people see deep meaning in it and see it as a zeitgeisty reflection of the times we live in etc. Not me. I enjoy it on a different level.<p>I'll rent the movie on DVD when it comes out: I'll ignore the plot and won't let it bother me. I'll enjoy the little quips the Joker and Alfred make etc. I'll be vaguely entertained by the OK action scenes. I'll enjoy Maggie G's sparky performance - in fact I'll enjoy most of the performances. And I will stop the movie after about an hour and a half and skip directly to the credits. And that'll be my Dark Knight experience.<p> So I won't have to sit through that boring, visually dull, time-wasting, what's-the-point? sonar sub-plot (as ALexandra du Pont said, it's like the studio insisted that Nolan put in more gadgets). I won't have to watch as Harvey Dent inexplicably turns into a boring, monologue-ing villian. I won't have to watch the painfully clichéd 'drop the gun, Harvey' denouement. And praise be! I won't have to listen to that terribly contrived, nonsensical, cringe-inducing speech of Gordon to his son where we learn that "the city needs what it deserves but we don't deserve what we need even though we need it but don't deserve but still need it and you always need what you don't deserve so in the end we get what we deserve but it isn't what we need." Oldman gives one of the best performances of his life in this movie but even HE couldn't make those lines fly.<p> And then I'll forget about it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    With regard to Harvey turning evil...

    by SilentP

    from his perspective, he didn't become evil. He felt what happened to him wasn't fair, but his strong sense of morals prevented him from becoming a murderer. However, the Joker gives him an out - he reminds him that chance is fair. This takes all the responsibility off Harvey. Harvey flips a coin to decide whether people live or die, and it's chance's fault - not his. That's why he lets the Joker live. Of course he wants the Joker to die, but to kill him when the coin toss decided he should live would mean taking full responsibility for the murder, and again, Harvey doesn't want that. He wants to be able to put all the blame and responsibility on something else.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Fair enough dude

    by mefrog

    Everyone likes movies for different reasons, that's cool. Though I do have to say one more thing, which was that I absolutley loved Gordon's final speech. My favorite part of the film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Rando Calrisian

    Of all the Batman films, it will probably stand up over time. I totally agree with that. But as an audience, we will change. The film is fresh now. Fans back in the day felt as strongly about Tim Burton's Batman as they do TDK. It's hard to see that now - but 20 years later Nicholson seems clownlike. <br> <br> Hey, I really enjoyed the film. But you have to admit that over time, popular films that we hold to sure a high degree tend to lessen a bit when you see them later in life. You see the flaws a little more.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Rando has a legit point

    by mefrog

    Though I guess I'll just have to see in ten years...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I agree that TDK is the best Batman movie so far...

    by Hooded Justice

    But the best Batman story that I've encountered is Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Interestingly, it's very rooted in the time it was written (early eighties). I've read it many times - re-read it recently and it still holds up. In some ways it seems well ahead of its time.<p>They haven't yet made a movie that is of the same quality in my opinion.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    That's what movies are all about.

    by Rando Calrisian

    Great discussion going on here, guys. Thank you all for some good reading, and I really appreciate that people have actually respected others opinions here instead of calling them douchbags. <br> <br> feel free to call me a scum sucking gutter slug or something. I can take it. <br> <br> And McG - what is wrong with the name Joseph Nichol? Just because there were 3 Joseph's in your household doesn't mean there are three Joseph Nichol's making Terminator movies. I think we'll be able to figure it out, and you'll end up sounding less like the guy I did beer bong hits with in college. But you do what you want, man!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    so McG could fuck this up and I don't even care. Not like I'm gonna pay to see it anyway. They unnecessarily turned a simple engaging story into a faux-complex saga just to squeeze more money out of the marketplace. Fuck them all.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I don't mean to lessen anyone feeling about TDK

    by Rando Calrisian

    That was not my intent in any way. I'm exceted that there is a really good film that has mostly united the fan community. <br> <br> Obviously the fans and movie going community love the movie. I can't wait till the next one myself. I hope Nolan can keep up the quality. <br> <br> If Joseph Nichol can produce a Terminaor film near the quality and respect that Nolan had for TDK, we will all be extremely happy. Right?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Comic book movies...

    by Hooded Justice

    One thing TDK (and Batman Begins) got RIGHT is that they didn't make the mistake of slavishly copying any comic book frame-by-frame. Instead the Nolans took lots of ideas they liked from different stories and adapted them to work in the medium of film.<p>By comparison, I have to say that the movies that attempt the frame-by-frame translation, Sin City and 300, ended up being interesting visually but very boring as movies. Which brings me to WATCHMEN. Every time I hear Snyder boast that he has recreated the comic frame-by-frame, I fear for that movie. I seriously think it's going to end up not really working as a film experience. As Alan Moore, said, the comic was designed specifically to do things that movies cannot do. What does anone think?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    TDK Returns is outstanding

    by mefrog

    Very fresh take on the Batman mythology that holds up even today. And then I read the sequel... urgh...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Okay, about Batman becoming the villain...

    by caruso_stalker217

    I've heard the complaints. "Oh why didn't they just blame it on the Joker?" Well, that's kind of a shit ending. "We'll say the Joker did it." End credits. But really the reason Batman took the blame is because it would unify Gotham. Everybody knows the Joker is a psychotic mass murderer. Pinning five more murders on the guy isn't going to help the city do shit. But you take a guy like Batman and you say, "He's the bad guy" and everybody comes together. If you can't give people hope, give 'em hate. Works almost as well.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I'm looking for something different in WATCHMEN

    by mefrog

    I'm just looking to see my all-time favorite graphic novel in motion. That's it. I don't expect to be wowed by any new developments, the enviornmental subplot they added will probably be meh to decent, and I'm hoping to walk away saying "I just watched this comic in motion."<br> <br> I would LOVE to get my hands on David Hayter's original treatment, which was updated to modern times and even got an approval by Alan Moore who called it "the closest thing he could imagine anyone ever getting to WATCHMEN."

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Watching the World Burn

    by LaserPants

    Alfred burned the forest to catch / kill the bad guy. Joker burns Gotham just for the hell of it. In the end, the world still gets burned, only the context of the burning can provide you with the illusion of noble justification. <br><br>So matter what anyone does, the world is completely fucked. Perfect, PERFECT mirror of our world today. This movie screams zeitgeist. Spiderman was a kind of the pat on the back / cheer up everyone needed after 9/11. TDK is the smack in the face, the long cold hard look in the mirror we all deserve after letting Bushworld exist for 8 fucking years.<br><br> This theme being yet another reason why TDK is a friggin' masterpiece that deserves every ounce of praise it gets both critically and from box office receipts. What has it made, something like 800 billion dollars already? Theres a reason why thats so -- its both intelligent AND ass-kickingly cool. Anyone who feels otherwise is, well, wrong, and didn't quite get it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Watching The World Burn (Edit)

    by LaserPants

    Alfred burned the forest to catch / kill the bad guy. Joker burns Gotham just for the hell of it. In the end, the world still gets burned, only the context of the burning can provide you with the illusion of noble justification. <br><br> So, no matter what anyone does, the world is completely fucked. Perfect, PERFECT mirror of our world today. This movie screams zeitgeist. Spiderman was a kind of the pat on the back / cheer up everyone needed after 9/11. TDK is the smack in the face, the long cold hard look in the mirror we all deserve after letting Bushworld exist for 8 fucking years. <br><br>This theme being yet another reason why TDK is a friggin' masterpiece that deserves every ounce of praise it gets both critically and from box office receipts. What has it made, something like 800 billion dollars already? Theres a reason why thats so -- its both intelligent AND ass-kickingly cool. Anyone who feels otherwise is, well, wrong, and didn't quite get it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    At this point...

    by Beldo84

    It's pretty easy to make a PG-13 action movie. No sex. No "fuck"s. No over-the-top gore. He's right, after TDK the difference between a PG-13 action movie and an R rated action movie is practically negligible. Although I agree they shouldn't be holding back, there's no reason to think PG-13 will equal suck.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    VERN!!! Cameron didn't direct Piranha 2!

    by Mr. Moe

    He was fired less than a week into filming and the producer, Ovidio G. Assonitis, took over.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I Think Every Scene Should Feature Winks To Past Dialogue

    by LaserPants

    And the actors should all turn to the screen and wink each and every time. Like, John Connor is hungry and wants to get some food out of the nuked fridge, he'll turn to whomever his love interest is and say, "I'll be back," and then turn to the audience and grin. Also, anytime anyone gets killed or anything blows up, the character who does it should say, "Hasta la Vista, baby" and then turn to the camera and grin and wink and start laughing.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Captain Katanga

    Stop blaming the script for your misinterpretations of it. How can itbe a mistake or an inconsistency when you are the only one making the link between those words? They are two separate moments with their own meaning. 1) some men just want to watch the world burn = some men aren't motivated in simple, obvious ways, and this are all the more dangerous. 2) we burnt the forest down = we had to resort to desperate, morally questionable tactics to get to this man. End of story. This was their intention and if 99% of people get it then why should your misinterpretation be considered a "mistake"? A bigger man would just step back and say "you know what, I'm incorrectly applying stuff I learnt in my screenwriting class; I got this one wrong"

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    The R-rating does make a difference

    by Neo Zeed

    The first two movies had the main characters dropping F-bombs, and they were chased by only one terminator. Now they're going to be chased by dozens, and suddenly people are going to watch their language?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by mefrog

    ...I laughed.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    [The PR woman walks up and end the interview.]

    by Mullah Omar

    I love that note and its location in the interview. <br> <br> It's nice to see that McG is aware of his perception problems and is trying to do something about it. <br> <br> However, I still don't believe this will be a film worth seeing in theaters. Too many cons, not enough pros. I would need overwhelmingly good word of mouth to even consider seeing this.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Well done

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by SilentP

    ahahahahahahahahahahaha<br>omg, I thought you were making that up, but he's an actual person. Sweet jesus, that sounds like an ass disease.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    well done 2

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    i have just spent a good hour reading through this talkback and its been good to see proper discussions going on. Its been to long keep it up.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    And Reese should keep asking people what year it is.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, noon CST

    Fuck guys...

    by mefrog /2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/04/morgan. freeman.accident/index.html

  • Aug. 4, 2008, noon CST

    I watched WE ARE MARSHALL again over the weekend

    by slone13

    Great movie

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Dent turning evil..

    by nukethefridge

    Harvey Dent wasn't always so great,he had a bad side, he was going to hurt the guy in the subway way or whatever. He had that in hin it just took the burning and maggie dying to make him evil

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice...

    by DiamondJoe

    ..I think you're wrong about TDK - I think its a masterpiece, it will still be thought of as a masterpiece in ten years and it'll be remembered as THE high watermark for comic book movies. Things can only go downhill from here. Which brings me to Watchmen, which I completely agree with you on. If Snyder is bringing it to the screen frame by frame, I don't think it can work, because it wasn't meant to. I mean, how the fuck are they going to get away with that ending? In a comic? Fine. On screen? No way. I think the trailer is damn funky, but I'm inclined to believe Alan Moore is correct on this (especially when all the previous adaptations of his stuff have been shite). I'm hopin' and prayin' though.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    It is you who haven't understood. I'm not convinced you have seen the movie at all - and this is based on what you're writing. If you haven't seen the movie yet then you should admit it so everyone knows your frame of reference. I've explained the Alfred story enough and I am perfectly clear about why it backfires. And I blame the script. It wouldn't have taken much to iron out that problem - but it wasn't their priority. They felt it was perfectly fine for a comic book movie.<p>But in any case, see the movie before you start commenting on it. And when you do, here's another conundrum for you to rationalize:<p>There's scene where the Joker gatecrashes a party in order to find Harvey Dent. I don't want to spoil it for you but let's just say that Batman arrives, makes a mess of things and has to leave in a hurry. Here's the conundrum:<p>Can you explain how the script then resolves this set-up in Batman's absence. If you can do that, I will happily concede that you are a genius and will personally campaign for your nobel prize. And I will also ask you to rationalize a long list of inconsistencies in the movie. I will then personally publish and distribute a booklet called "Captain Katanga's Essential Guide to The Dark Knight: all plot holes explained!". This will be handed out to everyone who purchases a ticket to the movie. This is a Great Work we will accomplish together. It's all ahead of us. BUT first you must see the movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    "BASTARDIZED!" - McG himself exclaims concerning T4!

    by YouAreAllMyBastardChildren

    That's all my children know how to do.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrier..

    by DiamondJoe

    ..talking about running times - I didn't feel TDK was long because there was so much plot & suspense. I didn't want to risk going for a piss in case I missed something crucial. But King Kong? I could have gone to the pub for an hour and a half of that film and missed fuck all. It took them nearly an hour to get to the fucking island! Return of the King? Ok its generally great, but Jesus, how many endings does one film need? The running time isn't important - its what you fill it with. I'd cite JFK as a good example. Damn long film, but packed with so much story you don't notice.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Diamond Joe...

    by Hooded Justice

    Agree with you about Return Of the King and King Kong. ROTK needed to lose about four of its endings; King Kong was a great two-hour movie buried inside a three-hour one. It needed to lose about an hour or so.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Diamond Joe

    by spud mcspud

    The ending of WATCHMEN the graphic novel is, I think, one of many reasons - and certainly the most important one - why Alan Moore doesn't think it should be made. If you were to alter, IN ANY WAY, that stunning ending, you would invalidate the entire premise of the story - which would render making it utterly pointless. I can't reveal it here - that would be the worst and most malicious spoilage of all time - but you CANNOT ALTER IT! Whether it works or not on screen, that ending IS Watchmen, and needs to be there.<P> By God, people really love this TDK thing, don't they? I might go catch it this week. If I can be arsed... ;D

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I never thought much of Kong

    by mefrog

    Truly, you want to talk about a padded movie, there's your example. I absolutley LOVED ROTK though, probably because I'm such a nut for the books... and felt like after following all these characters for three movies the endind needed to be fleshed out.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by Drunken Rage

    "TDK is a movie for discovery. It's great at first viewing, and then you see it's greeat because there's more stuff to find out about it. This is a truly work of cinematic greatness." Whoa, easy there! As much as I enjoy your posts, it seems like you're really going out of your way to praise TDK. It was an okay summer movie aobut a comic book character which will make a shitload of money. In no way would any right-thinking person describe it as a work "of cinematic genius."

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice (again)

    by SilentP

    The Joker leaves the party because he expects Batman will be coming back, and all his men have already been knocked unconscious. <br> The real plot hole in that scene is how Batman survived the fall, that kind of bugged me, lol.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    1: Johnathon Nolan wrote the script (he did TDK - Which was FUCKING awesome!) 2: Christian Bale - a solid actor in whatever he does. 3: PG13 doesn't mean a poor show for violence. Terminator back in 84 was an 18 certificate here in the UK because it was very violent and Terminator 2 got a 15 rating but that only had moderate violence which McG could get away with in Salvation. All we need to see for this movie to really work is robots and humans fighting, shit getting blown up, people getting frazzled by lazers. Why does bloodshed automatically equal cool movie?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I don't really see why the ending of WATCHMEN...

    by mefrog supposidely more difficult to transfer than the rest. Keep in mind I'm talking about the original, TRUE ending and not the shit rumor that keeps popping up. If everything is kept PERFECTLY intact, it would be great. Whenever I'm reading a comic, the panels unfold in motion in my head... and that scene would be outstanding. Assuming, of course, it isn't altered in the slightest.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    little kids

    by andrew coleman

    Did most of you guys just get your ass beat on X-Box Live? A lot of you seem to be very angry at TDK and are making up reasons not to like it. If the movie was not a hit most of you would be defending it. But because it is one of the biggest movies of all time, it is now "cool" to not like this movie. Grow up please. I think it is also too early to judge T4 if it is pg-13 I won't be upset like I was with AVP and DH4 but it would help. A war between man and machines really should be rated R.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    I'd describe TDK as a work of cinematic genius

    by mefrog

    But right now, I'm a little tired of arguing about TDK. I wanna move on, need to take a little break. But my above comments talk about why I'm so apeshit for the film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    i trust "McG", my problem is its a "terminator" movie

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i love the first one - the second has some very memorable stuff in it (good and bad) - the 3rd was a waste of time - let it die - channel all this enthusiasm into something NEW

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by MorpheusTheSandman

    Hahaha, that was very funny. look, I don't want to sell anything, I just don't like T2. If you think less of me now, I can handle that. Memories of Murder rocked though.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Hooded you're pretty smug for someone who has no point

    by IndustryKiller!

    The Alfred thing is ridiculous. it's like you took some terrible film study 101 class at your local community college and forced some ridiculous interpretation of that speech. Alfreds being pretty literal there. At least 20 people have explained it and you refuse to listen. he's talking about the joker, how you got that he saying that HE, Alfred Pennyworth, Batmans butler, likes to watch the world burn only you know my friend. There isn't anything int hat scene that needs polishing and the fact that you are literally the only guy who thinks so reinforces that. <P> Asking how the joker escaped from the high rise is like asking how he smuggled all those explosives into all those buildings without being noticed. It's so ridiculously unimportant that any explanation would be a waste of time. If you can't make even subtle suspensions of disbelief then I gotta assume that watching a movie about a man (who is OBVIOUSLY Bruce Wayne) dresses as a bat and beats the shit out of like 20 guys at once must drive you a little nuts. How the Joker gets out of the high rise isn't a "plot hole" as it has nothing to do with the plot. It's not "rationalizing" to assume that a character who effectively amounts to a supervillain has an escape plan, since he does just that about 500 other times in the film. <P> Last, but certainly not least, is saying the Joker is EASY to play. It's exactly the opposite. To give something so inherently over the top the amount of gravitas and tangible fright that Ledger gave it is absolutely brilliant. Nicholson, while I love him and still enjoy his Joker, is very surface level by comparison. Clearly a guy who was sane until he was dropped into a vat of chemicals and then went wacky. Ledger's Joker is clearly a lifetime of bad experiences and insanity piled up to create a monster. With Ledger you can see the gears turning while having no idea what he's thinking. He's every bit as scary and calculating as No Country for Old Men's Anton Chigurh (another brilliant performance) without being a blatant personified archetype. For all the ridiculous impossible shit that happens in Batmans world (and doing it any other way would be irresponsible) Ledger somehow brings that character completely down to the ground with that performance. his walk, the constant voice inflections, the physical ticks, the way he paces his stories, his matter of factness about every little success that works out for him (I.e. pencil trick) all work out to a brilliantly well rounded character. Alluring and horrifying all at ounce. Clearly the makings of a villain for our time. Maybe even besting Hannible Lecter, who is all calculated steely eyed purposeful creepiness compared to Ledger's vulnerable and weirdly invulnerable Joker.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    McG, I'll give you the chance.

    by wraith777

    After reading and hearing (thanks for the inviso-text, I do think it makes a difference hearing the actual words someone speaks) this interview I feel better about McG and hearing that his name is a childhood nick I can understand it a little more, so yeah when I first heard the name McG I like a lot of us, thought it was a wanna be rapper guy name. But I'm ready to accept these next Terminator films as an expansion of the canon, I mean we've had Terminator comics, novels, and a tv show and the like that aren't T1 & T2, but they are still expansions off the source material, something I can enjoy and it doesn't take away from the original films cause the originals are still there for us to revisit and enjoy on DVD and if we don't like where any of these extensions of the originals have gone, just ignore them in your mind and enjoy the McG, good luck to you, I'll back you now with my support, I think we all want success and besides, I do think McG is far and away not a douche like Brett Ratner, I mean just go to IMDB and look at pics that are on there of both guys, Ratner is a tool. Viva new McG, he's hoping that paying your dues will pay dividends on your new filmmaking journey.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Yup, Batman and Rachel's fall was just ONE of the many, many illogical things in the movie. I mean, couldn't they just have made Batman's 'memory cloak' open up so they could glide gently to safety. Would have been perfectly acceptable in a comic book movie. But even in comic books, when people who fall dozens of storeys (20? 30? 40? wasn't that clear) they get severely injured or die, no matter if they hit a car or not. But Nolan pulls the same stunt later when Jason Roberts falls thirty feet and......sprains his ankle.<p>But as to your explanation of the Joker and the party....<p>It's just YOUR explanation. It's NOT in the movie. If it's not in the movie, then it's NOT explained. And YOU as the viewer shouldn;t be FORCED to explain things the film-makers have left out.<p>I mean, I could make up any explanation I like: the Joker killed everyone and left; he asked the guests to get on with the party while he himself mingled, met a nice girl and later took her home.<p>Doesn't matter: it's ALL conjecture. It's all bullshit. Because it wasn't explained in the movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit! Morgan Freeman is in 'serious'...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...condition?...who's next?...the gaffer and best boy?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Quick question

    by mefrog

    Is "The Future Begins" officially dropped from the title? I think I missed that somewhere along the line. If so, thank fucking god. Now, if only we can cut the moronic X-Men Origins: Wolverine title.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Okay Hodded, that's a little ridiculous

    by mefrog

    Rationalizing and subtlety are two things that are in every fucking movie. Ever. Unless you're in a Brendan Fraser movie, then leave room for some subtlety. It's filmmaking, dude. It's not even filmmaking really, it's just storytelling.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Mr. Moe

    by Vern

    Cameron shot the movie, but the producer did the edit. Cameron actually broke into the editing room and made his own cut, but the Assonitus guy recut it. Still, it clearly has Cameron in it, from the scuba diving opening to the badass boat stunt at the end.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST


    by SilentP

    my explanation is based on things that we actually know from the movie. It's possible that the stuff you've added on (that he killed everyone, that he took a girl home, lol) could have happened, but it's... not important. What's important is that he left the party, and didn't find Dent. It's logical based on what happened that he ran away because of Batman. That's all you really need to know, and it's what they expect you to get from that scene - the joker tosses rachel out the window, and he runs away without getting Harvey. Anything else is superfluous. Maybe he killed some people, maybe he didn't, it's obviously not important to the plot.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by muddstick

    things should be left to the imagination. Clone Wars anyone. Well, this will probably be a rental. As for TDK, glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's just a very good movie. It's not the second coming or anything like that. But, if it is to some people, more power to em'.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    To me, it made perfect sense that Batman...

    by mefrog

    ...placed the murders on himself. I mean, pretty much all of my reasons and more have been stated in the talkback. Mainly, the city needs to have someone to universally despise. Not fear, like the Joker and Falcone, but despise and rally against (which proved successful before as the city was demanding Batman to show himself). And of course, Batman was losing his influence on criminality. Maroni even said it, and Batman needed to redefine himself.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Add in catch phrases from all flicks

    by skimn

    Toss in a "Im gettin' too old for this shit" and a "I have a bad feeling about this"

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I'm sicking of cliched SW bashing

    by Sithdan

    Stop using the SW prequels as examples of bad cinema, because they're not.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    SW prequels are not examples of bad cinema...

    by mefrog

    ...they're examples of entertainment gone horribly wrong

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Wrong, wrong, wrong...

    by Hooded Justice

    No matter what the excuses, rationalisations and justifications people are making, what it boils down in the end is this:<p>TDK is a geek movie. Therefore it can do no wrong.<p>Therefore it benefits from a certain indulgence denied to other movies. People who post on this site are going to give it a pass no matter what.<p>Because it ROCKS. It's got Batman. It's got gadgets! It's got a smokin' car! And a bike! Heath ledger blows his nose and it's GENIUS! No one else could have pulled that off!<p>Because people let their own personality and critical facilities become subsumed into the latest cultural craze.<p>People apply different standards to their particular 'geek' movie than they would normally. But if this were any other movie, they would not be so forgiving.<p>Did it never occur to you that you should not be put in the position of HAVING to defend your preferred movie? That you shouldn't HAVE to rationalize the inconsistencies and plot holes? With any half-decent movie you DON'T have to do this. Because good movies normally have a logical script with a clear progression.<p>And please don't lecture me about 'suspension of disbelief' That's just making weak excuses for poor writing. Of course there is an expectation of suspension of disbelief. THIS IS A MOVIE! Did you know that when you watch a movie, you're actually watching actors? That there's a camera involved and it's not real life? That the actor playing Superman can't REALLY fly?<p>Oh please.<p>But there is an expectation of the film-makers that they remain consistent and logical within the world they've created. Particularly so in this case where Nolan & Co have publicaly stated that they are going out of their way to make their Batman movies 'realistic'. Fine, then STICK TO YOUR GUNS. Don't tell us it's a 'real' world and then have people falling hundreds of feet witout a scratch! You're just having it both ways and taking us for a bunch of fools.<p>However, I guarantee that in a year's time a lot of the TDK cheerleaders will feel embarrassed for having so uncritically embraced the movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    DRTURING....interesting take...

    by LabattsBleu

    Funny that Joseph Campbell gets a bad rap as it his book TPoM is more or less a cliff notes on world mythology and his analysis (not like L.Ron Hubbard's invention) Greek mythology is heavily for the stylized aspect, I agree to a point, but i thing the notion of the film stock was purposeful to reflect the post nuclear conditions.............Finally the idea of inevitability has popped up and how T2 ignored that - i would argue that all the films saw the future as fluid - the only fate is the one we make for ourselves notion...............Finally, how do I do damn paragraph breaks on this board anyways?!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Take Him Up On It, Quint! For the Love of God!

    by DKT

    Take him up on it! Good little interview. It does sound like he wants to reinvent himself, and I'm willing to give the dude a shot. Casting Bale and getting Jonah Nolan to write the script are big acts of faith. <br><br> So is that spoiler you guys posted really confirmed?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "I've explained the Alfred story enough and I am perfectly clear about why it backfires."<P>No, but you have explained how the story went completely over, under, and through your head. Because this much is clear: you're overthinking the moral and message of the tale. For someone who is so hellbent on every little detail and plothole in TDK, it's bizarre that you would become so fixated on that particular scene...and then completely misunderstand it.<P>Many in this Talkback have already provided you with a plethora of well versed responses to your Alfred Burma story theory. And I have to say, it's a little pathetic to see you resort to obstinacy and the classic "I'm not sure you've seen the movie" defense (when someone clearly has) when faced with concrete points that refute your poorly conceived interpretation. For someone who is also claiming to have liked the movie, this seems (or at least should be) beneath you.<P>Quote: "Jason Roberts"<P>I believe you meant Eric Roberts.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    ...your explanation is plausible and makes sense: I think it's a good reason for batman taking responsibility for the murders.<p>But it's NOT in the movie.<p>Maybe it should have been. Perhaps if the Nolans had hired you as script consultant, you might have pointed that out. And then when Batman explains to Gordon WHY he has to take the fall, the Nolans would have added the lines:<p>"The criminals don't fear me any more. And they MUST be made to FEAR the Batman. I killed those people."<p>But they didn't. They specifically did NOT give Batman ANY reason except for some vague sacrifice to protect Dent's reputation and give Gotham some hope.<p>NOTHING TO DO WITH CRIMINALS NOT BEING INTIMIDATED. That is YOUR rationalisation. It is a common rationalisation amingst people who want to defend TDK at all costs.<p>BUT IT'S NOT IN THE MOVIE.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    In a year's time...

    by mefrog

    If I ever feel embarrased about defending what I call, and you can quote me on this, a "modern masterpiece" then just shove it down my throat. Please. I give you permission.<br> <br> We've been reduced to defending the tiniest, most negligible points of TDK because you're bashing the most irrelevant, unnecessary things.<br> God forbid Alfred says "fire" twice and means SOMETHING DIFFERENT. God forbid we don't see a three minute sequence of the Joker looking for Dent in the penthouse and then leaving.<br> <br> The Nolans have created a real world. It's a world where chaos can rule all. Where people succumb to their basic instincts and emotions, and live in fear. A real world doesn't necessarily mean that we're living in the same real world of The Godfather. These are real people, flawed people with the same human elements as you and me that live in a world where the bad guy can win. Hell, the bad guy DOES win in the film, Batman just sacrifices himself for damage control.<br> <br> TDK is a geek movie for me. I am a geek. I'm probably younger than most people here but I still love and grew up on Batman. I read his comics. I watched the television shows. But I also love and grew up watching movies. And especially in modern times, my final conclusion of this film, after seeing it thrice, is that it is one of the few that manages to be beautifully epic, symoblic, gritty, well-written, and deserving of all the praise it gets.<br> <br> I'm talking to Hooded, BTW.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    All the Terminator questions you need for McG

    by Heckles

    1) Why? 2) Really? 3) Come on, seriously?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    The Name Really HAS Become a Punchline...

    by Rogue Planet

    ...especially since McSpaced and all that. McG. MickGEEEEEE. An odd branding choice. though, to be fair, his films haven't really been that bad. If not for the Spaced flack, it might not have been so bad. Honestly, and I'll probably get flamed for this, I liked the two Charlie's Angels movies. They had a good tone, a nice balance of action and comedy, and anybody who's willing to cast George McFly as a brooding, silent bad guy has GOT to be a braver man than I am. Granted, they weren't Shakespeare, but we're living in an age where not even SHAKESPEARE is Shakespeare anymore (Hamlet 2, I'm looking at you crossways). So, yeah, I'll give him a shot on the new Terminator flick, and I'll see it with an open mind. If he can rebrand himself as a Friend of the Fanboys with Terminator Salvation, then maybe...just maybe...he'll get his due. End of line.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I'm off to lunch

    by mefrog

    But I'm loving this discussion, and intend to return. Peace all.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Die_Hardest

    Remember when Dent is in the Mayor's office right before the Batman Vigilante's corpse hits the window? He tells Dent he has to keep his nose clean or else every conviction he gets will be overturned. Later when Dent is holding the gun to "Rachel Dawe's" head in the alley, Batman reitterates the same point to him. That is why Batman takes responsibility, so that the RICO defendants don't all walk. It's pretty clear. What else, besides the subtelty and respect for an audience's intelligence would you classify as "bad writing?"

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Mr Nice Gaius...

    by Hooded Justice

    You're just one of the many people who have a problem with me neither LOVING nor HATING the movie.<p>Too bad for you: I like the good parts. I point out the stupid parts. I point out where the movie fails even by the standards it sets out. I do not give the movie a free pass just because I like the Batman character and because I personally think the movie is very well made.<p>A tough one for you to get your mind around, huh? It's called a balanced opinion.<p>For some reason everyone is getting upset because of the faults I've pointed out.<p>Nobody's giving me a hard time over the things I like about it.<p>Funny isn't it? Try this:<p>Aaron Eckarrt (spelling okay for you, Gaius? Ha!) gives a brilliant performance up to the point where he is injured. After that he's pretty mediocre. But that's not his fault: it's the fault of the writing. No actor could make it fly.<p>Ouch! How on earth will you guys deal with that mixed opinion?<p>Will people turn on me like a pack of dogs for saying that Eckhart's performance was brilliant? Or will they get mad because I said it was mediocre? Which will it be? Which will it be? It's too much! You're all going to have to flip a coin!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Concerning who wrote Terminator Salvation...

    by hegele

    A lot of talkbackers seem to be thinking that Johnathon Nolan wrote this film. MCG implied it. Though, the IMDB credit goes to the two guys who wrote Catwoman and T3... I know Nolan had involvement. Whether it was a full fledge re-write or a doctored draft is left to be told. McG also said that he and Bale were rewriting it day by day during production. In all honesty, i would rather have an unpolished ambitious script thrown together during filming from McG, Nolan and Bale than a polished one done by the fan boys who wrote T3 and the idiots who wrote Catwoman.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by Rando Calrisian

    Some of the greatest films in history leave questions unanswered and left much to the viewers imagination. Not everything needs to be answered within the confines of a film to make that film work. Otherwise, there would be no film discussion. <br> <br> Do you truly want everything layed out for you? Would you have prefered a film like Batman and Robin that leaves no questions or interpretation posed to the audience?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Captain Katanga

    lol thankyou for that wonderfully childish response, which demonstrated not only your arrogance, but also your seemingly endless ability to dodge the point. For the last time: if you are the only person in 10,000 to interpret a scene a certain way, and then insist that the script is wrong for the meaing that ONLY YOU projected onto it... well, that is quite deliciously arrogant. I, and others, repeatedly explained the point of Alfred's Burma story to you, and what do you do? Accuse me of not seeing the film and then ask me about another scene entirely. Well, how elegantly DODGED! And as I keep repeating, I never claimed the film was perfect, or doesn't have some minor lapses in logic. I specifically came into this thread to address your complete misunderstanding of that one scene in the film, because the way you were getting it utterly wrong, and then blaming the writers for that struck me as comically arrogant. If you can't address the point in question, and instead have to resort to "YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM! COME BACK WHEN YOU'VE SEEN THE FILM!" then you know you're in trouble lol.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Winstons Superman?

    by Norm3

    I would love to see Winstons design.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    also great posts by...

    by Captain Katanga

    ... Industry Killer and Mr Nice Gaius. However now that he's been made to look rather foolish, he's been backed into a corner and will continue to dodge the point and childishly insist that we just can't take any criticism of the film, despite the fact that I have plenty of criticisms of the film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Die hardest...

    by Hooded Justice

    Well, once again, that's a very good reason for SOMEBODY besides Harvey to get the blame.<p>They don't specifically mention that it in the scene where Batman decides to take the fall - YOU'VE made it up - but it's a very good reason for Harvey not to take the fall. I'm right with you.<p>But there's just a little problem.<p>Why Batman?<p>Why not say it's one of the Joker's henchmen?<p>.Why not say they're random unrelated killings.<p>Why not say they died in the general panic and lawlessnesss that reigned during the Joker scare?<p>Why does it need to be Batman? No matter what reason YOU come up with, if it's not in the script, then it's not in the movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    And in regards to the dinner party

    by Die_Hardest

    After The Joker throws out Rachel out of the window he briefly starts to operate under the assumption that Harvey Dent is Batman. He goes so far as to mention this in the interrogation scene even saying how he figured out that Batman and Dent were not the same person.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    McG - no fate but what he makes for himself

    by performingmonkey

    He has quite a lot of pressure on him with this movie. And yet he's collaborating with some of the best guys out there. Everyone should be looking forward to this SO MUCH.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    But, I didn't make it up...

    by Die_Hardest

    It's foreshadowed twice, and then hammered home by Batman and Gordon's final conversation, and explained thematically in Gordon's final monologue...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    yay! More Dark Knight bandwagoning!

    by necgray

    Get a clue, people! It's insanely flawed! Stop building it up to be this perfect film!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I mean,

    by Die_Hardest

    Some things go without saying. Sometimes you say more without saying something. Batman leaving the coin at Dent's bedside obviously signifies Batman's guilt over the death of Rachel and the Harvey's mutilation. I don't think I'm "making it up" if I say Batman is partially motivated by guilt for what happened to Harvey along with the previously talked about legal implications for the men Dent tried. As for why not say it happened in the lawlessness or was one of Joker's henchmen, I don't think Batman's the type to file false police reports....

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    FUCK everybody who doesn't LOVE T2 !

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Do yourself a favor, guys, and drop dead. Thank you, fucknuts.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by Kid Z

    ... I never knew McG was a ginger!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    First, I have no problem with you praising and/or criticizing any and all various elements of TDK. Show me where I've stated this and I'll eat my hat. NEXT!<P>Second of all, your tone is a riot. Maybe the condescending attitude that's oozing from your posts is what makes people take a more aggressive stance in discussing and/or refuting your OPINIONS on the movie. And if they're not giving you a hard time about the things you liked in TDK, it's probably because they liked them, too. I don't want to assume but it's a pretty logical conclusion. (Unlike your interpretation of the Alfred story.)<P>Quote: "Ouch! How on earth will you guys deal with that mixed opinion? Will people turn on me like a pack of dogs for saying that Eckhart's performance was brilliant? Or will they get mad because I said it was mediocre? Which will it be? Which will it be? It's too much! You're all going to have to flip a coin!"<P>That excerpt from your post is what someone would call a classic Troll maneuver. It serves no other purpose than to bolster your opinion that Eckhart's performance downshifts in the third act while seeking to prevent this OPINION from being critiqued. Sorry, bud. But AICN Talkback doesn't work that way. (Especially when you say things like, "No actor could make it fly.". This makes you look silly and needlessly spiteful since a lot of other people thought his performance soared well alongside everyone else's.)

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Die Hardest...Katanga

    by Hooded Justice

    Well Batman isn't in a position to file ANY police report - but I get what you mean. But he's quite prepared to encourage a false report - about himself. For no good reason that I can see in the movie. Of course one or two people have given excellent reasons on this talkback - but it's a pity the Nolans didn't think of them. Makes me think that talkbackers should be writing these movies.<p>Katanga: that's all you can expect from me 'cause I recognise a simple shit-stirrer when I see one - as opposed to people who genuinely want to discuss. (Hint: they tend to refer to what I said, rather than deliberately misunderstand me). But I'm serious about that offer of the plot-hole booklet. Just say the word and I'll set the wheels in motion. But see the movie first.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Terminator: Abortion ....

    by Luscious.868

    Making John Conner die and having a terminator impersonate him is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    All praise to you, Gaius...

    by Hooded Justice

    You lost me there! I think you're reading more into my posts than what's there. Still, I hand it to you for managing to manouvre out of the way of addressing my points.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Reason Batman takes blame...

    by kdog69

    He feels responsible for everything that happened because he caused the mob to act. He's taking responsibility for what has happened during the entire film, while saving Dent's reputation. Batman can take the blame, because he isn't a hero with a face. If you didn't get that, then you really need to open your mind or you'll miss the points on a LOT of films. Seems like the film just went over your head. Not everything has to be spelled out for you in a film, unless you're watching a damn Michael Bay film.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh, is that how you're going to play it? HA! Fine.<P>I didn't lose you and you know it. Try again. Harder.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    why don't we just wait and see...

    by MolaRambo

    and if McG actually creates a good movie. I personally can't see the big fuss if he wants to be called McG. Fucking Americans....

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The mere fact

    by Die_Hardest

    That we're even discussing the Dark Knight as a serious piece of cinema is a dream come true to me. This isn't a slight or a jab or anything at you Hooded Justice, but I highly suggest you see the movie again. I saw it at a midnight show with a great crowd, and as such missed some lines of dialogue due to cheers, laughs, and adrenaline. But the second time I saw it everything fell into place and made perfect sense. By the third time I was just waiting for everything I loved to happen. I mean, this movie is fantastic. I don't see how you can believe some of the things you're saying about the Dent character and the motivations for Batman and Dent. Poo on me if I'm being baited, but I really would advise you to look closer at the subtelties throughout the movie.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    As for the name "McG" and credibility...

    by Mullah Omar

    ...if the guy wanted to be taken seriously, he would start by using his full name. People have been more accepting of The Rock as an actor now that he's Dwayne Johnson, and maybe in a few more years, he can drop the nickname altogether. It's not to say the name change alone is doing the trick, but I doubt he'd get dramatic roles offered to him if he still insisted on being called The Rock. <br> <br> Hell, I remember Larry Fishburne moving to "Lawrence" being a major effort to give himself credibility. Make a move, McG. <br> <br> Nobody goes to a film because McG's name is attached, and the chance to start over with a clean slate is actually the guy's best option. This does not have to be an uphill fight for credibility.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    OK McG you convinced me, im giving this a chance

    by Seth Brundle

    guy sounds sincere, is a real fan of T1 and T2, and sounds like he's working his ass off trying to make it good, thats good enough for me, im giving this a chance , and you know what??? to hell with the freakin McG name, make a great movie and i will stamp your name on a T-Shirt and wear it proudly hahaha

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    TKD a clsssic?

    by Prossor

    ol funny shit! it's a convulated bland clump of poop. maybe if nolan would just stop shooting everything through a dim blue lens he'd recognize no one gives a shit about the snooze inducing mini-stories of the supporting cast. it reminds me of sleeping-deniro vs. yelling pacino vs. secondary characters vs. extras: requiem. batman needs to stop chainsmoking cause its fucking up his bat throat. christian bland looks like he's one step away from picking up an axe and hacking someone while hip to be square plays, also what's up with that raggedy bum with the bad lipstick job , licking his lips and sticking pencils into people? and that stupid fucking dune buggy batguy drives around. aaron eckhart is once again out-acted by his cleft chin. michale caine is a smarmy asshole. and those tom-and-jerry batears. oh what a fucking dire diahrea bubble. FUCK THIS MOVIE.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    boy theres a lot of entries here

    by samurai sark

    I wanted to read all ofg these responses, but no way! There's too many. I hope McG knows the flack he'll get if he McFuckthisup.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    see you know it's good

    by Die_Hardest

    because prossor hated it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I think Hooded=Jeffrey Albertson

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    You TDK Whores..

    by Liquid Meddle

    Are worse than an entire clone army of LaserPants. Really, shut up. The movie was good, but it isn't Citizen Kane, and Heath Ledger's performance wasn't God-like. If licking your lips and talking in a funny voice for two hours gets someone an academy award, fuck the world.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    TDK gripes

    by samurai sark

    I wish 2-face was in pain the whole movie.<br><br> I hope someone can answer this for me:<br><br>In Batman Begins, in the scene where Batman pulls Falcone through the roof of his car, what happened to the driver? Batman's off fighting the thugs, Falcone gets out of his car to see whats what, and when he returns to the car his driver's out cold (maybe dead). So who did that?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    As for T4

    by Die_Hardest

    As long as I get to see Arnold killing a bunch of cops I'm cool with it. What? He's not in it!?!? What do you mean Governor!?!?!?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Hear Hear MolaRambo! I support McG's attitude.

    by dr sauch

    that is the single greatest fucking sentiment i've ever read on this site (in the TB's at least). let the movies get made. McG (that is an unfortunate name) is not siphoning money off of other projects more well received by the remake gestapo here on this site. Let the guy make his movie and give him (positive) criticism!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    I don't know Batman's a ninja.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Mr. Coleman Reese

    by samurai sark

    Should be the Riddler. Sending Batman riddles for crimes yet to occur, only to have the police think Batman commited the crimes. <br>Motive: Blackmail.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    oh yeah that too.....STAN WINSTON'S SUPERMAN???

    by Seth Brundle

    where the hell is that!!!! i wanna see it!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    HEY VERN! :P

    by Mr. Moe

    Quote from Cameron - James Cameron: "I suppose I should clarify that. Here was a critical juncture for me. I was hired to direct a film called Piranha II. I was hired by a very unscrupulous producer who worked out of Italy. He put me with an Italian crew who spoke no English, even though I was assured that they would all speak English. I actually had to learn some Italian very quickly, I'm talking about in two week. That's all the prep time I had, because I was actually replacing someone else. I was put into an untenable situation and then fired a couple of weeks into the shoot, and the producer took over directing. It turns out that he had actually done that twice before on his two previous films. That was his modus operand, in order to get the financing and then axe the director." Source -

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, for Batman Begins 3

    by Die_Hardest

    I'd like to get some Riddler crimes that are believed to be copycat Joker crimes, with maybe a Hannibal Lecter-ish visit to The Joker in Arkham. "I didn't do that, it's not funny."

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    die hardest

    by samurai sark

    woah, you just blew my mind-hole<br><br> I wanted an asylum scene with the Joker (myCasting: Joeseph Gordon-Levitt). "I wouldn't do that, it's not funny." <br><br> Awesome and Genius.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Liquid Meddle

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    Its funny how the so called fanboys are being less aggresive in this thread than people like yourself. If you have nothing constructive to say be quiet.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Captain Katanga

    Oh, I'm deliberately misunderstanding you and not referring to what you said? OK, here, in all its glory, is exactly what you said: ""Some men just like to watch the world burn," says Alfred. And then by way of example he tells the story of the Burmese 'warlord'. But the Burmese warlord WASN'T INTERESTED IN BURNING ANYTHING!" You also said: "And it was ALFRED's regiment WHO BURNED THE FOREST - NOT THE WARLORD. I repeat, it was Alfred and his men who were happy to watch the world burn!". You also said: "He was referring to the Joker. And he was drawing a comparison with the Burmese 'warlord'. Except that in the story it is ALFRED who 'burns the world' - therefore the story makes no sense ". You absolutely, positively, hilariously, arrogantly, categorically DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THE STORY. The actual meaning has been pointed out countless times, and you refuse point blank to address that. Its all rather embarrassing for you.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Every TB is turned into a TDK debate.

    by Liquid Meddle

    And I'm burned out on the movie. ;_;

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    McG as a name...

    by MolaRambo

    has nothing to do with his artistic ability. Could it be *SHOCK HORROR* that Warner and Christian Bale see *SOMETHING* in this Terminator pic? I am pretty certain Bale isn't just taking the movie for the paycheck. He is past his "Reign Of Fire" days surely? McG is, if anything, a fan of entertaining movies and making entertaining movies. The CA movies did what they meant to - they were created on the backs of many other TV show to hollywood re-imaginations. They were fun movies and you can't ask for more than that from that type of genre. Now, Terminator has a HUGE fanbase and McG has pressure on him but HE understands what makes these type of movies work. Fuck the rating issue and just focus on trying to enjoy the experiance. In this day and age, for whatever reason, we're not going to get a summer blockbuster where a robot takes out his eye with a dirty medical tool, pull the skin back from his arm to reveal a robot skeleton, etc. The franchise world has become a lot more kiddie orientated but if McG can make a movie that feels scary, I am fine with it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Stop Feeding The Troll!

    by topaz4206

    He lost all credibility with this knee-slapper of a line: "a well-written script manages to ensure that plot developments, motivations, character development are clear and consistent to EVERYONE"<br><br>That's the most hilarious and wrongheaded thing I've read about film in 2008. In fact, some of the greatest films of all time are designed from the ground up to have disparate, perfectly defensible interpretations.<br><br>There's nothing to see here, folks, you might as well be arguing with a Chat-Bot.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'm very very wary of McG

    by Die_Hardest

    The desperation in his voice is a little off-putting. I never trust someone who seems this eager to please me. Especially if say, I knew the Passion of the Christ was going to end with Jesus dying and being resurrected as a robot.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Just let Hooded Justice hate the movie.

    by HoboCode

    He's just one insignificant, moronic, morbidly obese agoraphobic in the world who doesn't like The Dark Knight. It in no way affects anyone's actual lives if he can't see past the tiniest flaws of a film everyone else in the world likes. Ignore this troll and let him wallow in his lonely hatred.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    ya i'll see it

    by BurgerKing

    sure you'll get my 10 bucks. and as much as I may enjoy it. It's still not the same as the first 2. Arnold is The Terminator, and you can make cool sci-fi movies in that universe, but they'll never be the same as the first two. Accepting that, ya i'll see it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Liquid Meddle

    Now there's a possible Grindhouse sequel.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Liquid Meddle

    Now there's a possible Grindhouse sequel.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    New Joker

    by Die_Hardest

    I once heard Daniel Day Lewis Mentioned as a possible replacement. If you've seen his acceptance speech at the SAG awards when he dedicated the award to Heath Ledger, it's very obvious he had quite a bit of respect for him. He may be too old, but I bet the guy could play any age. Him or one of the people replacing Ledger in Dr Parnassus.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Why TDK Is In Every Talkback

    by LaserPants

    Its the best movie of the year and the best superhero movie ever made. Period.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    The thing that you have to remember that this new Terminator will probably form part of a trilogy. The Arnie T800 won't show up until part 3 when it is in 2029. This new pic will focus on the Rubber skins.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Joker Gordon-Levitt

    by samurai sark


  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by mefrog

    Liquid Meddle, be fucking serious. Saying Ledger just licked his lips and talked in a funny voice for two hours is like saying Anthony Hopkins just stared and talked in a monotone. Find something constructive, please.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I don't want a DK sequel

    by mefrog

    Period. I don't think they can top this film. Superhero movies have that curse on them... they're doomed to fail eventually. EVERY franchise has suffered it. Superman. Spiderman. X-Men. Batman. Everything. Just let it be.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    why wouldn't you want a DK sequel?

    by samurai sark

    Thats like stopping after Batman Begins.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I say we get

    by Die_Hardest

    Sam Jackson to play Judas, Brendan Frasier as St. Peter, Christian Bale as Pilate, and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson as The Christborg.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    Was a great movie in an already flawed Bat universe. It fixed the Begins issues (better acting, fights and drama) but it still has some minor flaws (the fighting isn't great but it's ok, the bat voice is a bit too forced, etc). So, that new Terminator film eh??

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Nicholson vs. Ledger

    by Rogue Planet

    I think both versions of The Joker are completely valid and completely perfect for the films they're in. The 1989 Batman was more of a telling of the Batman myth as told in the comics, thus The Joker was more of the cackling madman that he was in the comics and Frank Miller's graphic novels. The Joker as told in The Dark Knight is more of a literal interpretation of The Joker, with both Batman and his nemesis existing in the real world. The 1989 Joker was how we always thought he would be from the comics, the 2008 Joker is how we were always afraid he would be in real life. Perfect adaptations for an imperfect character. I love them both, frankly, but Heath Ledger's Joker will be the one I worry about in the dark. Good enough? End of line.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    In July 2010

    by Die_Hardest

    Blessed Are The Ass-kickers.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Samurai Sark

    by mefrog

    Don't get me wrong, I would absolutley see a Dark Knight sequel made by the Nolan crowd but I don't want a repeat of the Godfather trilogy. The third movie I actually think is decent, but part two ended on such a perfect note that three was irrelevant and, thus, forgettable.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    GodFather III had that whole "incest as a major plot point" thing going on.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The film was completed as soon as the deal was signed...

    by ryanislyin

    I know we can't expect McG to change anything about the script. I just hope he realizes people are supposed to die in this future war.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    There has to be a sequel...

    by HoboCode

    becasue we haven't seen the new batcave yet dammit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Mola Rambo

    by Die_Hardest

    My take on the Bat-voice is, it's perfect for when he's interrogating criminals and all that. It works less well when he's having philisophical discussions with Dent, or Gordon, or even the Joker. But even then it only get's kind of forced when he raises his voice. It does work well to show that Batman and Bruce Wayne are different people, with different voices and mannerisms. Makes it more believable that people haven't figured it out.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Morgan Freeman was in a car accident

    by GavinVanDraven

    he is in serious condition. _freeman

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    I loved that he slipped into Bruce Wayne voice when he was screaming " Where are they???!!!!" at Joker in the cell. That was a brilliant thing. I did love the movie - in my top 5.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST


    by Quint

    I love the discussion going on here. I don't agree with you, Hooded... I think you took the literal meaning of "burning" and are getting stuck on it when you've been given clear examples (not fans making shit up to connect the dots) to what the story meant. But that's neither here nor there. It's totally fine to have a different opinion, I think what is keeping the argument going is your insistence that everybody is wrong and you're right. It didn't start out that way, but it seems like it keeps moving closer and closer to that cellar door that leads to talkback bitch-fights.<BR><BR>As for the fact that people are defending somehow makes your point that they HAVE to defend because it's a weak script... Well, that's not exactly an argument, but I see what you're saying. I've been on the other side of that when trying to argue my point with Harry on why DIARY OF THE DEAD failed as a film and then I see him make up a detailed intricate backstory that has nothing to do with the movie, only to connect the dots in his mind, excusing the lame writing. The difference here is that for almost every point you're given a contrary opinion with evidence to back it up. But that's what's great about movies. People see them differently, that's what makes them interesting.<BR><BR>I will say though that there is no such thing as the movie you seem to be holding The Dark Knight up to. Name me one movie in the history of cinema that everybody of all ages, gender, race and sexual orientation have loved 100% That movie doesn't exist. Some people think Citizen Kane is boring, most think it's a masterpiece. Same for Godfather. Some people only like Star Wars, some people hate it. Some people like Jaws, I'm obsessed with it. See?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    You see, Jaws is the best movie ever :) Everyone SHOULD love it but I am only jesting. The Dark Knight has certainly caused a huge divide but thats what has made it such a great movie of 2008 so far.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    by mcca7806

    You know he said all the right things. We don't get that to often from these remakes at all. Plus He wason the avatar set. You know he was watching cameron like a hawk. I think this will be a good movie. Warner Bros. is going to be hitting the right strides after Dark Knights success. They know the formula now. Plus Jonathon Nolan on the script. I have one word Awesome.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Speaking of plot holes

    by Die_Hardest

    The entire plot of Citizen Kane is based on a giant plot hole.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    I mean it's a great film

    by Die_Hardest

    But that doesn't change the fact that nobody heard his last words.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah, lots of great movies have massive holes

    by mefrog

    I mean, Memento makes no fucking sense. He talks about waking up and thinking his wife is beside him every morning, so why is he on a continuous journey? But it's still a kick ass movie with a brilliant ending.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Here's my favorite:

    by Die_Hardest

    at gunpoint my single favorite movie of all time is The Empire Strikes back, but here's the hole. What's the timeline for the length of that movie? Luke leaves Hoth at the same time as Han and Leia. How Luke spend on Dagobah? A few months? A year? How long are Han and Leia on the run from the Empire? A few weeks? A few days? How do they arrive at Bespin within a week of each other? These are the things I think about late at night when the power goes out.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    Even acknowledging these holes in some of my favorites, I stand by my case that these so-called Dark Knight plotholes are not plotholes.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    I think ESB takes place over several months.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    So do I

    by Die_Hardest

    But is there any chance Vader uses his entire fleet to pursue one ship for several months while the rebellion is on the ropes? That being said, is there any way that Solo can evade the entire Imperial Fleet for that period of time? Now, I would maybe buy that they're on the run for a 2-3 weeks. Because we know it at least took long enough for Vader to hire Bounty Hunters. And I would accept that it could take them maybe about a week at best to get to Bespin after the Empire has stopped following them. Maybe they're at Cloud City for 3 or 4 days before they get ambushed, but even if that all adds up to about a month, is that really all the time Luke spends on Dagobah? I might have to ask Einstein about Spacetime.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Even if they can't top TDK the 3rd flick still has to happen

    by performingmonkey

    It's fate that the 3rd film must come. Look at Star Wars, ROTJ sucks COMPARED WITH ANH and ESB but it needed to be made in order to complete the story and further enhance the first two movies.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    The Empire arrived at Cloud City before Han and Co so I would seriously doubt the empire would have let them have a laugh with Lando and the Ughnauts for a week. I am sure some E.U story (if you like that sort of stuff) will expand on this matter. Maybe Shadows Of The Empire.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Some Terminator related news...

    by mefrog

    Looks like Arnold hasn't been that blown away by the new Terminator footage... http://latimesblogs. mplex/2008/08/schwarzenegger.html

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    McG's got spirit sure, BUT...

    by hollywoodsummers

    if he's a true fan he'll understand that a Terminator film is different from a Batman film. In a Terminator film (especially one about the future war) people get FUCKED UP while yelling, "FUCK!" Those two things spell R-RATED. He mentions CHILDREN OF MEN (loved that film) as inspiration, which is a great sign, but I hope he realizes that film was R-RATED. I'm not hoping for over the top carnage like in the latest RAMBO film, but there should be a few moments when the machines tear human flesh apart ON-SCREEN and everyone in the theater goes, "EWWWWW!" Hope you read this G-man.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST


    by MolaRambo

    I suppose the real question is wether Nolan would WANT to do the third because I personally wouldn't watch a lesser directed third part. Third parts always suck in comparison to the first or 2nd picture but they can be awesome if done right. My only worry is finding a character who can be as good as the Joker.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    See Heath...that's why you don't have SEX WITH AN OLSEN TWIN!

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    According to the New York Post: "Pint-size actress Mary-Kate Olsen has refused to be interviewed by federal investigators probing the accidental drug death of her close friend Heath Ledger unless she receives immunity from prosecution"

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Well, since this has devolved into a TDK discussion...

    by LabattsBleu

    I think that Nolan will be very clever with the 3rd film - I am sure he and his brother/Goyer have ideas about it since finishing/working on this one........My hope is that Bruce Wayne has retired a la the Dark Knight Returns graphic novel and is doing all this crazy sh!t like race car driving in his spare time - but his inner demons constantly eat at him...and Gotham sinks after the entire Joker fiasco......the new villain will be the reason for him to don the suit once more....

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma

    This is how cinema dies; When movies start to be made by committees. When movie makers are held to ransom by arrogant journalists and armchair wanna-boys who could never hope to make a watchable film if they tried. </P> <P> A slow hand-clap for Quint for the tone of this piece. </P> <P> When a young George Lucas made "Star Wars" in 1976, he did not find himself lined up in front of a firing squad of nosey, interfering 'journalists' during the filmmaking process. </P> <P> When Kubrick made "2001" he did not take time out to nervously defend his film to prying writers, nor did hehave to make promises that the monolith would be the right type of shinyness, or that Hal's red 'eye' would be the correct shade of red. </P> <P> Nor did Kubrick have to crumple his own dignity and excuse himself to film audiences because of the origin of his own surname. </P> <P> It fucking sickens me to read the shit on this website, to see day after day, readers who post on these forums who believe they could do something better than many of the filmmakers out there who have busted a gut for 20 years to get to be in the position they are in today. And it sickens me to see smartass 'journalists' like you, Quint, trying to have some sort of guiding influence over what a filmmaker and his team of artists are doing, when you know that the only reason these filmmakers even agree to talk to you is because of the damage you could do to their opening weekend with a few tiny taps on your laptop keyboard while you sip your latte and eat your second pastry of the morning. </P> <P> The only creative control people like you and the regular haters will ever have over movies like these, is the control wielded by a bully in a playground. But we all know that while everyone else graduates beyond school and moves on with their lives, the bullies usually end up fixing dishwashers for minimum wage. </P> <P>What difference do you think you make in the world of entertainment, in the longer term? I can tell you now, it's not much. I've read very positive reviews on here of films that I've later gone on to discover were piles of boring shite. And likewise, I've read scathing reviews of movies I've later gone on to love. So why do I read this website? I read it to get inside info, early news, interesting tidbits behind the scenes etc, maybe the odd interview. But I don't give a fuck about your opinions, or Harry's opinions, or any of the other writers, albeit that one or two of them are funny writers. I also don't give a fuck about a hundred fanboys dissing the fuck out of a news item about a film they haven't even seen yet. I understand that sites like this are full of dickheads, miserable overweight manboys who are still living with their parents at the age of 35, still convinced that one day their script is going to be picked up for a million dollars. Meanwhile the day-job and the right-hand exercise keeps them busy. </P> <P>Stop trying to sway the AICN readership into whatever tide is currently fashionable in the fanboy fraternity. You're not respecting the intelligence of your readership.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I saw TDK 3.5 times and....

    by blindambition238

    I still don't get: <p> How Gordon arranged to fake his very public death, and apparently keeping his own MCU, Dent, and the Bats from finding out about it. <p> What happened immediately after Bats saved Rachel considering that Joker and his very armed goons were still a couple dozen stories up in Bruce's penthouse with a bunch of rich socialites as potential hostages. <p> And why it had to specifically be Batman to take the fall for Dent's crimes when surely there were a couple of much better alternative responses that would have saved all three parties some grief. <p> Still thought it was a very good movie and I obviously enjoyed it immensely, but these little flaws only became more annoying and apparent with each successive viewing.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I hope Freeman is ok

    by kafka07

    can't find much info on it yet. But I heard he was lucid and talking while being rescued, sounds somewhat promising maybe.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    My impression....

    by Damage_Inc

    “What kind of a faggot calls himself “McG?” “I hate this guy, I’ll never get behind him.” Nuff said!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    What kind of fucking name is "McG"?

    by Sithdan

    Does this guy moonlight as a gangsta rapper or something? What the fuck?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    He is winning me over...

    by Judge Briggs

    STILLLLLLLLL... Michael Biehn SHOULD BE IN THIS MOVIE! C'mon- he's gotta eat! He needs to be in this mutha fucka!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Quint, Shadow Warrior, Katanga, Hooded Justice

    by toadkillerdog

    I walked out of the theater loving TDK. But a few things nagged at me. The biggest of all was the taking Blame. As the Nolans explained it, which I think is the gist of HJ's argument, it makes no sense at all. I get that they were trying to protect Harvey's rep as white knight. They said as much. But consider: If there were eyewitnesses, they could easily identify that is was NOT a man in cape and cowl who did it. If no eyewitnesses, then no one knows Harvey did it, or can prove it anymore than they could prove it was Batman. Unsloved murders happen in a city like Gotham. Or, blame the Joker if a fall guy is needed - by the script. That, I think is the biggest point of contention. <p> However, either Shadow Warrior or Katanga, made an excellent point, which has swayed my thinking somewhat. Batman did it to restore his fearsome reputation. This was not stated at all by the Nolans, and perhaps it is more inference (some would say wishful thinking) on the part of fans, but I like that explanation far better than the Harvey Dent one. I think the Nolans simply out-thought themselves, and ignored a plot point that was in their own movie. A flaw, to be sure. But, as Quint says, there simply is no movie that everyone will ever agree on, and all have a flaw somewhere.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    If we could actually steer this back to a TERMINATOR talkback

    by r_number6

    Overall my optimism has grown quite a bit on this movie. Of course it was pretty much nil before so there was really nowhere to go but up. Really though, Mr. G (can we call you Mc.?) does seem pretty sincere in his claims that this is not just another studio-driven cash grab. He seems a bit defensive at times, but that's rather understandable. If the movie they're making is really as good as he feels that it is while the entire fanbase thinks he's making the next AVP or Batman & Robin, I can see why he'd be going out of his way to be telling people "No, that's not what this movie is!" He certainly comes across as more sincere than Anderson did when he talked about what a big Alien and Predator fan he was before he buried both of those franchises. McG also seems to have at least some humility as far as his earlier movies go. He didn't go as far as to say they were bad movies, but he does admit they were just popcorn-type stuff. He really seems to feel that this will be a major step forward for him as a director. In interviews I've heard or read with guys like Ratner or Anderson you never get the impression that they feel any need to evolve as filmmakers, but McG does. He is really not coming across as a studio hack. He definitely gets points for mentioning The Road as a source of inspiration. He really seems to have done his homework on this project. He has at least won me over to give this a chance, whereas before I was just planning to have this be a Netflix rental at best.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    They couldn'y blame the Joker

    by Phategod2

    The Joker had the Hostages from the Hospital so He has a alibi, plus he knows the truth.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    For the umpteenth fucking time about Jokers high rise escape

    by IndustryKiller!

    Why do you need to see a sequence of the joker leaving the building with his henchman after batman crashes the party? Seriously how is this such a point of contention. Why not some other minor nothingness to fret over? Like how they didn't catch that school bus after it drove out of the front wall of a bank. I mean did the busdriver behind him not see it and call the cops? WHO FUCKING CARES? it's like questioning why no one can tell why the billionaire Bruce Wayne with all the resources in the world is Batman. When you are talking about people pulling off impossible feats, simple logistics go out the window. No one is Schumachering anything up here, nothing drastic or apologising about assuming that the villain had a simple escape and left the scene. If you're going to question INCREDIBLY simple things like that then don't watch comic book movies and don;t read comic books. And if you're going to cite the "realistic" tone of this film you are better of aiming at batman begins, which tries much harder to simultaneously explain everything yet still be over the top. Dark Knight strikes a much better balance between the two of them right from the start. It wears it's pulp origins far more proudly on it's sleeve while relying on excellent performances and writing to make the drama accessible. The drama is real, but the world is clearly comic book.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    i talked about the other two a little bit earlier in the talkback, but as for Gordon's fake death: Batman knew the plan.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    In Fact

    by Die_Hardest

    I was under the impression that it was Batman's plan.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    McG and Superman

    by liljuniorbrown

    I hated the second Charlies Angels, It's the only movie I have ever fell asleep during (sober anyways) and after that,the thought of him bringing my favorite comic to the big screen pissed me off tremendously. After reading this, I have hope. On a related subject I want to thank MCG for his involvement on Supernatural. Thats probably one of the best written shows on tv today, horror in the vein of Evil Dead, with no shitty love intrest or teenage garbage. I love that fucking show.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    You're right MOM, DK's action was drastically improved

    by IndustryKiller!

    I don;t understand the reviews that say they're still too choppy. The only one that is a bit rough is the last sequence in the half constructed building, but even that is way better than anything in begins. All the hand to hand combat is outright kick ass with Batmans distinct fighting style on full display (man you feel those punches). Both the opening Batmman fight and when he crashes through the window in Hong Kong are pure Batman kick ass awesomeness. And I don;t know a single person who wasn't completely on the edge of their seat during that car chase sequence, especially when the bat pod busts out. Nolan really stepped up tot eh plate action wise here, and I'm not being apologist, anyone who reads my posts knows how much I HATE quick cut editing and how I badly i thought Batman begins suffered for it.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    That did cross my mind DieHardest, but...

    by blindambition238

    I sort of dismissed it when I remembered Bats himself didn't seem too sure of the Joker's plans for Loeb's funeral as we saw him taking all that time to reconstruct the stray bullet, cross referencing addresses at the last minute, discovering the rounded up gagged cops, and his surprise at the telescope pointed at the mayor, and joker's timer that acted as a decoy for the P.D. snipers . <p> I mean, Gordon's 'death' occurred in a way that was exactly specific to one set of circumstances, with him diving right in front of a bullet just as the Joker's gunmen revealed themselves and opened fire, which really made the idea that Gordon could have premeditated it all seem really implausible. <p> Not to mention the fact that it all happened in broad daylight, with loads of civilians, cops, and paramedics on the scene who would have been all over Gordon's 'body' as soon as he fell and would have needed access to it later on.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    The Movie needs some Jenson Eckels

    by Phategod2

    I'd like to seen McG work with someone he's proven he can handle. I also think Eckels would make a hell of a Flash.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    pg-13 is a bullshit rating anyway. its all about $.

    by kooky little elephant on beer

    In T3 Schwarzenegger tells connor that he kills him in the future. it would be cool if arnold does have this cameo at the end of T4. Studios like the pg-13 rating for money and that's it, they don't give a shit about the fans of their movies. that's why we see alot of shitty pg-13 films that could be better and more realistic if they were rated r.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck what his name is!!??

    by Crackles

    that's all i'm sayin on the subject.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by toadkillerdog

    You make some very good points about the morality of Gordon and Batman. The Gordon point is especially well reasoned. I agree with what you have said, but I also think that some of the arguments for and against the movie and various plots lines or plot holes, is due to over analysing and inference. People sometimes see what they want to see, and infer what they want to infer. Regardless of whether the filmamkers deliberatley intended it or not. Some of the backlash to TDK is purely contrarian driven, while others are valid criticisms. I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed Iron Man as well. IM had some serious holes in it, not the least of which was the Obie/IM fight at the end. I mean, how could Obie don the armor and know exactly how to use it as quickly as he did? Why didn't Stark get his head blown off at the end of the movie when his helmet was torn off and Obie was firing at him? IM was a comic book movie that took itself seriously, up to a point. Thus, some of its holes are more readily forgiven if not totally forgotten. But TDK was a comic book movie that aimed at the Epic, and thus its holes are scrutinized far more closely. Fair? Probably not. But then again, aiming high and falling a little short, is better than not aiming high at all.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight......

    by Crackles

    kicks ass!! As far as the Batman taking the fall for Dent's murders people need to brush up on your Batman knowledge cause Batman would NEVER frame anybody...not even a criminal! And as for the Joker escape after he throws Maggie off the building they just didn't show him escape....who gives a fuck? The movie is brilliant and the characters are true to the comics! I'm sorry but I see no flaws!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    McG is doing the right thing

    by zooch

    By surrounding himself by really talented people, hopefully it will rub off.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Sounds like he's in over his head

    by Teddy Artery

    Blubbering to AICN about trying to please the fans, whining about his name... McG, you're not your own person yet. The Terminator is Cameron's baby, and his alone. Unless Cameron spits his ideas directly into McG's cereal bowl, all sequels will continue to be weak shadows of the original vision.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Speaking of TDK....

    by Damage_Inc

    Has anyone heard anything about Johnny Depp being considered for the Riddler or someone else being considered for the Penguin?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by slaughterstorm correct, goddamn it! people in a terminator movie are supposed to get FUCKED UP while screaming "FUCK!" because i thought this was a-m-e-r-i-c-a. HOWEVER!!! TDK shoulda been rated R... so maybe they can just make hella violent pg-13 movies now.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    They Should Title It TERMIN4TOR

    by LaserPants

    YEAH! Cause the fuckin 4 looks like an A almost! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I'd just like to say that I've seen TDK six times...

    by caruso_stalker217

    ...and it holds up on each viewing. That's gotta mean something, right?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I think we all know....

    by Damage_Inc

    This movie will never be rated R. They will just release an unrated version on DVD like they always do.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by caruso_stalker217

    I think it's all bullshit, personally. At least I hope it is. Depp has sorta reached the point where he's in too many fucking movies. Burton's Penguin was as interesting as the character ever got. If they tried to do a "realistic" Penguin it would be boring as shit because he's not an interesting character at all. <p>And I also like Metallica. I guess this is where we high-five.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by skani

    If McG wants to be McG, just let him be called McG. Who cares? Be a little more nitpicky and superficial, why don't you? (Oh wait, this is a talkback).

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Oh Jim, wherefore art thou??!

    by skani

    Dude, nobody sees this measuring up to Cameron the same way no one sees Nightmare on Elm Street 15 measuring up to the original: We're in different territory here, and if you need Cameron directing for you to watch this film, then what are you even still doing here? Go watch "Titanic: Journey to the 10 Year Career Hiatus" on IMAX or some junk. I'm not saying T4 should get a pass b/c it's McG and not Cameron, but seriously, the whole "Terminator sucks without Cameron" is right up there with "Michael Bay sucks" in the pantheon of obvious "look at my street cred" AICN talk back statements.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and...

    by skani

    I think starting w/ T3 the hope for this series continuing to be something special--it ended. Not just because Cameron left but because the entire existence of a T3 undercut the message of T2 and it sets us on this weird loop--what's real? is the future set or not? Did any of the T1 and T2 stuff matter? I'm not asking for a neat-and-tidy metaphysical resolution, but T2 leaves you sort of open-ended but with a sense of hope and also a sense that maybe you've got a rough handle of how this particular film universe works. With T3, it's like a big middle finger to that and it makes T2 feel like a cheat if you still want to view this as a unified series. So I choose not to view it as a unified series. There's Cameron's two films, then there's this whole "what if somebody tried to do another one" thing that's been going on since T3. T3 works as an action film and has glimmers of the original magic, but you've clearly gone down a whole weight class. So, you're choice is (a) be grumpy and boycott anything post-T2 (which I admire, if you've got the principles), (b) stew in the pointless angst of wishing one of these other deals could live up to T1/T2, (c) or just embrace the fact that they're still doing serviceable but forgettable movies.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by Damage_Inc


  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I feel kind of like a douchebag now

    by caruso_stalker217

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    RIP Michael Caine

    by Prossor

    yikes it's like everyone arond this movie is either dying, beating people up, or in accidents. our first priority is... SAVE GARY OLDMAN.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by darshn22

    All I want is the Brad Fiedel score...

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by Damage_Inc

    Who beat somebody up?

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    the flying pirahnas were cool.

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    YO are you serious

    by Phategod2

    I didn't hear anything about Caine do you have link if your joking thats not funny

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc NO ONE is being considered for next batman

    by ironic_name

    rumors from aicn, slashfilm and others. <P> not true. <P> and bale yelled at his possibly drunk mother after she badmouthed bale's wife and asked for money, yelling = assualt in england apparently.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Ray Gun

    by skani

    And what's with nobody going off on this Gamma Ray guy? Do you listen to yourself, dude? Have a Coke and a smile man. YOU'RE the bully. People come here to whine and goof and nit pick about movies, not get lectured by some self-serious goon who thinks "you still live with your parents, plus you masturbate" is cutting edge satire. Go soloflex for awhile or something.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST


    by Damage_Inc

    Yeah, I kind of figured that. Besides, we already know who the villain in part 3 will be. TWO FACE BECAUSE HE'S NOT DEAD! Now who has a link about the Bale thing? Sounds funny.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    This website is making me tired of The Terminator

    by Cotton McKnight

    That's all, really. I have terminator fatigue thanks to the dumb talkbacks on this subject.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Who cares what he uses for his name

    by Ripley8870

    Jeez already, so he goes by McG, it's a nick his family gave him since he was a kid. All I care about is a great Terminator film, and I will hold all opinions until I see the film. He really just sounds like an uber fan that has his shot to make his dream movie. Give him a break.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    what about brown rhino shit

    by Prossor

    ever notice that jet-black shit is really creampuffy, like whipped cream? also its hell to just flush away the shit marks on the toilet seat!

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range

    by captain omega

    Can't they just get on with the Future War? When I went to T2 when it opened back then, I was disappointed when they went back to present day L.A. after the awesome Future War sequence. Then T3 came out, and it was still present day L.A. I understand the whole, malleable future bit, but get on with the incinerator camps, assault on Skynet, etc. As for the rating for T4, make it R. Not for kiddies. Remember Kyle Reese's flashbacks in T1? They were horrifying. No cutesie "Talk to the Hand," etc. Make it ominous and creepy. Think Screamers or Alien 3. Re. Arnold, . . . he's unnecessary. Who says all T800's look like him. Remember that guy who burst into the warren of humans in T1 that started spraying the place with a .50 cal that shot lasers? He didn't look like Arnold. And don't say he was a T700 or a rubber skin model or something, just because he had glowing red eyes when backlit.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    McG will do great

    by geraldbeans

    He managed to take an idea as stupid as any I've heard since I was born (a Charlie's Angels movie) and turn it into something that when I saw the trailer, I thought, "Man, that actually looks pretty decent." As far as everybody freaking out about Jona Nolan being on the film - is this the guy that helped script the longest, most muddied, bloated, two thousand things going on only two of which we cared about, piece of crap known as The Dark Knight? Cause if so, I have very little hope for the script, and it actually makes sense to me now about that big lame spoiler that ends the movie.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Chocolate, you beat me to it

    by SlickyVonBoner

    LOL. I literally nearly snarfed my beer when I heard it. It was a pretty good bust for Apatow too.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Just caught the Danny Glover reference too...

    by JediRob

    May God help us all.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Well at least we know some Hollywood heads..

    by SlickyVonBoner

    are reading these internet forums and talkbacks. Maybe they'll actually listen to us sometimes. Probably not.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST


    by mr.brownstone

    I saw it too... and then my brain melted.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I have a lot more faith in this movie now ...

    by thegrayghost

    Yeah, he seems pretty sincere and seems to have that "I have something to prove" type of attitude which is a good thing. When talented people are pushed, and forced to prove themselves, that's usually always good ... sometimes inspiration happens. I mean look at Spielberg and Lucas now. They seem like they have nothing to prove anymore and are just going through the motions for some easy cash. They are no longer taking risks and therefore continue to make substandard movies which do not push the medium ... they used to be great ... hell, they were elite. Yeah, Bale, Winston's involvement, Nolan's writing, and McGinty's interview here has given me hope and have gotten me excited about this movie. I just hope he doesn't feel so much pressure, that he just plays it safe. I hope he pushes everyone, including himself. I don't think he needs to knock what he has done before. Those movies were pretty good for that genre (I'm not a fan of that genre)... it's just that, based on those movies, it's easy to simply pigeon-hole someone and say they can't be more or different. Let's face it, fans of the Terminator just wanted another James Cameron Terminator movie. They know he always delivers the goods when it comes to Sci-fi action. He somehow has a talent for making every character (including secondary ones) memorable and badass. I know I'm not the only nerd that has memorized lines from his movies. Aliens and the Terminators are still some of my all-time favorites. This is truly an opportunity to explore and expand on themes and ideas that was only hinted upon in Terminator and T2. I don't really care too much about the TV series, so I'm glad he is just trying to be faithful and consistent to those two movies. The T3 story and acting wasn't bad, but a lot of it was just a rehash, the terminator was wooden and uncharismatic (but nice to look at), the music was non-existent (c'mon, it's a f-ing Terminator movie, the music has to pump you up during those action scenes), Arnold looked a lot smaller and less badass, the action sequences were ok for an action movie (paled in comparison to those signature Cameron extended action sequences ... you know what I'm talking about), it didn't push the envelope of FX, there was no EPIC or wow-factor at all, the lack of a big budget was pretty obvious on screen, there were no cameos from any other cast member other than Arnold (it was a crime there was no badass Linda Hamilton or Michael Biehn anywhere ... no flashbacks please), it didn't add anything new to the overall mythos, none of it was terrifying (thinking of 1st Terminator), it was really short for a T-movie, lack of cool tech, lack of raw ferocity (will probably need a R-rating for this one), and even though there were terminators in this movie, it DIDN'T FEEL like a terminator movie. Here's some random ideas that would be cool for this new trilogy. Arnold could come back as a scientist which would explain why some of those Terminators look like him. Or perhaps, he could be the leader of another human resistance group that is in conflict with Conners and he was terminated and then copied. How about expanding on the Kyle Reece storyline in a creative and respectful manner ... perhaps traveling back in time makes you younger. Skynet should be winning and there should be a real sense of desperation ... Michael Biehn's account of the future was horrifying. Conners rise as the leader of the human resistance on planet earth should make sense and be difficult. I mean who the hell is Conners? Why would the Russians, China, or anyone else listen or follow him? Let's really explore Skynet and this future world. I mean it's the freakin future! I hope he uses models/practical effects with CGI. Just my 2 cents.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    captain omega

    by thegrayghost

    I agree with your assessment completely. Arnold is not necessary in telling this story ... though, it would be cool if he can be in Pt 2. "Phased Plasma Rifle in the 40 Watt Range" indeed! That sequence where that nameless terminator infiltrated the human compound was simply horrifying and awesome at the same time. Terminators are suppose to be smart and incredibly hard to take down. If I see a bunch of terminators get mowed down in one shot, I'm walking out of the theater. One terminator should be able to take down a whole squad ... at least.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    McG ... Don't worry about your name ...

    by thegrayghost

    Just make a f-ing great film. No one will care if your movie is awesome. Thank you.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    If McG really cared

    by tyler_turden

    IfMcG really cared about his beloved terminator franchise he would have worked as an intern at the fuckin sony or whoever gotten his hands on the terminator 3 script burnt it, found Johnathan Mostow and sodomized him for even thinking of making a sequel. Used a charlie's angels rehersal to set the scene for the greatest celeb porn ever made, (Running out of breath) then use the profits from his porno to finace a James Cameron future war film!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Just watched THE TERMINATOR tonight

    by caruso_stalker217

    God, this film really is a masterpiece. I've been watching it since I was dick-high and it still manages to impress me. It makes me kinda sad that it's beens shat on so many times.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Actually, a nod to the TV series wouldn't be a bad idea

    by thegrayghost

    The story doesn't have to be limited or restricted in anyway by the series, but to give a nod to it would be pretty cool. Don't pull a Bryan Singer and ignore the TV series ... especially when it's popular. Let's not neglect a loyal fan base. Oh, it'd be nice to see how realistically Skynet takes over the whole earth. I know it bombs everything to hell, but then what? Wouldn't the other world's superpowers respond in kind as well? Skynet only controls the USA's arsenal right?

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Terminate this franchise!

    by Lashlarue

    With extreme prejudice.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Nolan could top TDK

    by Shadow Warrior

    Have any of you realized that he broke the 2nd batman movie curse? Burton and Schumacher both made 2nd movies where they were given more freedom to do their own thing, and they gave us gothic gotham and gay gotham. Yeah nolan had a lot of freedom on BB, but TDK was much more a Nolan film and it rocked. He could definitely break the bad/mediocre 3rd movie curse. Ok back to the topic... so terminator 4 huh..

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Mr Gorilla

    But I thought BATMAN RETURNS was better than BATMAN. Anyway, what a great talkback this was. Including an angry man who seems to think that critics should be outlawed, everywhere for ever. (Remember Dr Johnson's response to that: I may criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a table myself. It is not my job to make tables.) There was also a man who is so intent to believe that The Dark Knight is the best film ever made, he will make any argument to back his opinion.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Assualt in England

    by Lost Jarv

    For the millionth fucking time- Assault is intentionally causing someone to apprehend immediate physical harm. It's never prosecuted- as most assaults come with a battery/ ABH or worse. <P>I will take a large fucking bet that this law stands in most of the ex-colonies as well. <P>Bale's mother comes off as a nasty-assed welsh money grubbing crack whore and I don't believe this story for a second. There's more holes in it than TDK- which (for those that don't know) is about a billionaire that chooses to dress in a batsuit.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    McG's name

    by Lost Jarv

    it is important for 3 reasons: <P>1)Even thinking that a stupid moniker like that is appropriate for a serious film-maker is a terrible lack of judgement,<P>2)Now established, not changing it because of some imaginary "rep" shows huge arroganace coupled with paranoia- seriously, who goes to see a film because it's directed by McG? <P>3)his constant whinging about it suggests that he wants to change it but has been told not to, which makes him a studio stooge. <P>And HJ- you are so far wrong on Alfred's Burma speech for many reasons. But this is one that hasn't been pointed out to you: You would be correct if you inverted the order, but Alfred tells the story, then Bruce asks "How did you catch him" and is then told that they burnt the forest down. Therefore, the interpretation is that some bastards just do things for destructions sake and to catch them you have to take extreme measures. I don't understand your nitpicking of this, it was pretty clear to me. <P>Unless my alcohol fogged mind is making me confused about it.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST


    by Shadow Warrior

    I hated the penguins with rockets thing, and how catwoman came to be, and how the batarang (which glided) took out thugs but got caught by a little dog (though im not sure if it was in returns). Also hated the look, how everyting looked like a soundstage. I watched this while i was still a kid btw, so i was as forgiving as i could be, but still don't care to watch it ever again. But you liked it, i can respect that, it's just not my cup of tea.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:36 a.m. CST

    re: bale's assault

    by Shadow Warrior

    i say it's bullshit, or bale's relatives are greedy. TDK is a humongous success and suddenly Bale has a fight with relatives. It's a no-brainer, it's quite possible it's all about money.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    furthermore Gorilla

    by Shadow Warrior

    Batman returns wasn't well-received because of its darkness (which was macabre / creepy / disgusting kind of dark), which is why we got schumacher's lighter batman forever. So it was considered a failure i think.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Its interesting....

    by barrignite

    McG made huge steps here. On a site that may as well be called "", the mere mention of his name induces fanboys to knee jerk reaction abuse. Having him come on and address everything we hate about his work (and bless him, even his name) has turned this talkback into a much more sympathetic forum. He has earned himself a shot at it, and damn it, im going to give him that chance. He appears to have renounced his charlies angels era.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    sort of like "Memories of Murder is a cunt"

    by Lost Jarv

    A simple statement of fact.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Gay jokes?

    by Lost Jarv

    is that all you've got? Are you that insecure in your sexuality that you have to project your fears onto me? <P>You are a vile, pretentious little bastard with all the charm of an axe wound, and your depressingly relentless tendency to over analyse everything really sucks the fun out of life. <P>Tell me again how good AvP:R was again, asshole, and how you weren't stoked to see it, but were dragged kicking and screaming by your friends. Which we know is a lie because you don't have friends and can easily find evidence of your excitement.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    You're such a coward, M-O-M

    by DocPazuzu

    You loudly declare that I "no longer exist" to you and proceed to attack me through others because you're too chickenshit to take a debate with me. <p> You're a spineless tool.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    He's a worm

    by Lost Jarv

    and is just raising his usual TB onanism to an artform.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    erm, dickhead?

    by Lost Jarv

    "do your daily morning dick sucking? It's breakfast time for you, dude, you're running late! Go get your "yogurt"!" What does that say? <P>I know you're bad at following posts but you only put this up a minute ago. <P>Now, wanker, do they spell Moron with 3 M's in Oporto?

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    That's all you've got?

    by Lost Jarv

    Weasel. What a shame. I was looking forward to spending the rest of my working day publicly gelding you. <P>Although, judging by that last comeback, I may be too late as you obviously do not posess anything remotely resembling a pair of testicles. <P>Now fetch my dry cleaning, Bitch.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by bigj1124

    Isn't the T600 the rubber skinned Terminator which is easily recognised?Surely the fact that they have been described by various sources as 8ft tall would be a bigger clue!!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by krisl

    To the person who asked about Gordon's faked death, the Penthouse escape and Batman taking the fall. These are the three main issues that some people have with the film. I live in the UK and hearing the same thing from people here that have seen it and it's all over online forums too. Personally I don't see them as plot holes but they are poorly handeld scenes and they literally took me out of the film when I saw it. I don't think this is a good thing.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Thank you

    by Rommel Catuncan

    You're beautiful! You're wonderful, you're wonderful! I'm not a billionaire, Mum! Roight? Then Indy comes out, "Ta DA!" My parts are showing? My goodness!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by Shadow Warrior

    i understand how these things might be unclear, but if you just think a bit, you'll figure things out. A lot of the reasons were foreshadowed and hinted at throughout the film. If the nolans explained everything in detail there would be even more complaints of how 'nolan explains everything with boring exposition'. Btw, if you don't know the answers, i can tell you.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by krisl

    I know I sure as hell need to see it agaim but still, theres enough people having problems with those particular issues to just brush them aside. Some things can try and be explained away and some simply don't make sense and as far as I'm concerned, the end of the penthouse scene was literally visually jarring. It felt unfinished.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    yeah i admit it kinda felt unfinished

    by Shadow Warrior

    but what if they showed what happened after that, batman going back up and finding the joker gone, do we really have to see that? hmmm, well actually a quick scene could've done the trick. But nolan already cut out as much as he can i think.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    by krisl

    There was an excerpt of script that had Joker inside a getaway car which I think, if included, would have been more aesthetically pleasing.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Is there a Dark Knight TalkBack?

    by bigj1124

    Think I'll switch to the Dark Knight talk back because I really want to talk about Terminator Salvation!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    dude, there's not much else to talk about T4

    by Shadow Warrior

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The Road

    by bigj1124

    just up to page 70, If a feel of a book can be transposed onto film and T4 is it, it should be a very good movie, but then so should "The Road"movie!!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I really wanna talk about sal eglad

    by bigj1124

    whatever!I don't feel the need to bad mouth but you go ahead, add in as many expletives as you want!just want to hear more discussion on Terminator 4

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    How could you? I'm a woman!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by Ebolarama

    Good point about the T-600 being 8' tall... I think a possibly way around this would the the whole concept that the future is different than what Reese described, so maybe now instead of having rubber skin, they have no skin and are 8' tall.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    lol wut

    by Ebolarama

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I like this guy

    by ArcadianDS

    This is the first interview i've read with McG, and i only saw him briefly on ET when he was promoting one of the Charlie's Angels movies, so I had little to go on. I only knew him as the guy with the pretentious hip-hop nickname.<p> I have to say I think I prejudged too harshly. Sure its just words and sure he's probably been coached well as to how to properly conduct an interview like this, but even those of you who flat out hate him for breathing, you HAVE to respect where he seems to be coming from.<p> A director who doesn't have a screening room: that's kinda cool. I like honest, real people and in Hollywood, you dont seem to find many of those.<p> He talks the talk, he may not walk the walk - but if you do the math, he's halfway there.<p> And yeah, his nickname is a childhood vestige to which he is entirely entitled. At least its better than some of the others? You want to talk pretentious nicknames? Try Bruno or Sly on for size. Gives things a new perspective.<p> also, Im ashamed that he reads this site. That means he's probably sitting back right now saying to himself, "what kind of idiots run this site, and are too lazy to clear out their forums of idiots like sal eglad?"<p> want to know why this site is in the toilet? Because we let everyone take a public shit in it.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    MCG - good luck!

    by Mr_X

    Mcg <b>Some good Pr work there sir, play it passive and acknowledge the concerns of the fans. You're a diplomatic. its's a good call, you'll have folks on your side now, just dont fuck it up.</b> <b> your name. yeah it's your name i know. you've had that moniker for ages, it fits you like a glove. Its time to change it. a. people will take you seriously. the ordanary punter in the street thinks you're a rapper,/ huip hop video producer. b. You're going in a new direction. this is the new you. this terminator movie is your rebirth Joseph "McG" Nichol has a better ring to it. it shows longevity, and will give you some respect.don't be an ass.use it. </b> <b> this franchise is important, you have a duty to make it happen and make it happen well. you've seen how shit reimaging turns out like avp and how good reimaging turns out lke tdk. you've done well surrounding yourself with talent. feed off them. make a continuation, but dont be a slave to the first 2 movies ( the 3rd one was tripe) otherwise you'll end up with a superman returns homage that everyone will hate. those who wore out their videotape watching the first one, and those who watched t2 which was that summers event movie, will watch. these are the fans you're aming for, not the snotty internet slacker who thought the 3rd one was "awesome". yesh there are elements of making it a 13 / 15 or 18 movie. we'd like it to be 18. seriously. yeah i know i know money business etc etc etc. its all out war though right? the human race is fighting killing machines, doing everything to survive? it would be cool to have a movie thats matrix good. make it happen.</b> <b> you'll either end up being a hero or a villian. do your own thing son, make a fucking good movie, and people will watch it.</b>

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    STFU about the PREQUELS already

    by la_sith

    You don't like them. Many did, as evidenced by them grossing well over a fucking BILLION dollars domestic. They're clunky at times, but still very enjoyable. And I'm willing to (gulp) give McG a chance. He seems very passionate about this project. Then again, Rob Zombie was passionate about Halloween.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Terminator has a rediculous Paradox

    by Phategod2

    John Conner basically constructed his own Origin By sending his father to meet his mother how did original conception ever take place. Basically we're to believe that if the Time travel device never existed that John Conner would never exist, If that is the case If Skynet Built the Device to Begin with, the only thing That Skynet would have to do to destroy John Conner, is to never build the device.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Terminator has a rediculous Paradox

    by Phategod2

    John Conner basically constructed his own Origin By sending his father to meet his mother how did original conception ever take place. Basically we're to believe that if the Time travel device never existed that John Conner would never exist, If that is the case If Skynet Built the Device to Begin with, the only thing That Skynet would have to do to destroy John Conner, is to never build the device.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    my bad

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Hey did AICN post the news

    by Phategod2

    on How the New Villian for Transformers II is going to be some Robot no one the biggest of Comic Book geeks barely know about.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS 2 is coming M-O-M!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    We all know you can't wait to see it!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I actually applied to be a extra

    by Phategod2

    For a oppertunuty to call Baya douche to his face but some "Stooge" beat me to it.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    My 2 cents.

    by namasteandgoodluck

    I really dislike this guy as a director. I think nearly everything he's done to date has been mediocre at best, but look at the It's amazing the guy has any kind of career at all. But to his credit, he's paid some fucking dues. I would have offed myself a loooooong time ago if I had to deal with shit like "The Pussycat Dolls" (unless I got to stick my penis in a couple of them) and "Chuck", nevermind stupid music videos. The guy must have learned something. He seems very earnest about wanting to make this a legit film. If he really is a fan of the originals (minus, did his due diligence in talking to/working with Stan and James and even asking Arnold on his take I think it shows the guy cares. Spaced aside, maybe he's not just another douchebag looking to clog the toilet that is Hollywood history up with another piece of excrement.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    the whole McG thing...

    by LabattsBleu

    Nicknames are things your friends and family give to you, that you use around people that are use it professionally is bizarre.....i'd be like me using LabattsBleu as my real name?!..............with The Rock, the reason he kept that name initially was the cache built up from WWF, nothing else........Keeping the name was an act of CHOICE by McG, to create a personae, but clearly it is not working.......he should have chosen MAX POWER instead; its no less idiotic....

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    More Conversations

    by skani

    "Yeah, I mean, it's just been lots of conversations. Conversations with Edward Furlong and Claire Danes. Spending lots of time with Lance Henriksen and the she-terminator from part 3. For about two weeks, I moved lived with the guy who plays the psychiatrist. Regular text-message sessions with Bill Paxton. And, you know, we've brought back the original caterers and hair people from T1, because we want there to be that sense of continuity."

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST


    by skani

    Oh yeah, well you're just an f-ing f who f-s with michael bay and f you f who likes other fs. Got to f.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    by skani

    just messing. thanks.

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, IRON MAN and TDK are "quality blockbusters". But I know for a fact that you won't be able to resist seeing TRANSFORMERS 2. You hated the first one so much that you can't bear not knowing what you are (NO DOUBT) going to vomit hate upon in months to come.<P>We know you too well, M-O-M. It's like a sore tooth with you = you can't stop touching it.<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!<P>THE POWER OF BAY COMPELS YOU!

  • Aug. 5, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    TDK was brilliant...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..but Nolan still can't shoot a fight scene to save baby jesus. Sorry, but it's true. You don't have Christian Bale spend months training in martial arts and then shoot the scenes in only extreme close ups. Idiotic is what it is. I was hoping Nolan would have a Brian Singer X2 epiphany moment and get more confident in his fight scenes, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. The greatness of TDK is in the writing, though the street chase and flipping the bat-pod does get major kudos.

  • Aug. 6, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    The Power of Bay never Compelled me to pay

    by Phategod2

    I say with great satisfaction That I never Paid to see Transformers the movie and with the news of that the antagonist is going to be some no name from the comic books I think I'll be miles away from this sh!tberg too.

  • Aug. 6, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Giant Meccano set

    by bigj1124

    Who wouldn't want a giant Mecanno set like T4,you have all the best pieces, industrial light and Magic, Stan Winston Studios, Christian Bale a future war setting and a huge budget!!The talent surrounding Joseph "McG" Nichol (if that is his name?)is immense, the quality of the actors the crew the fx will be there for all to see in 10 months. I hope that McG knocks it out of the ball park and silence all this awful character assasination that has permiated this talkback!It smacks of jealousy!After all McG is a lucky man & he knows it,he has got the biggest badass Mecanno set when we can just look on and wish we did!! Some of the imagery from the brief trailer looks poigniant and interesting enough to give hope for this franchise and his capable handling of it!!Like the idea of McG as previously suggested puting his nickname to the picture ala Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Think that would work!Just my opinion!

  • Aug. 6, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    "Power of Bay never Compelled me to pay"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hey Phategod2 - well, with M-O-M it's not a matter of paying for it. It's more a matter of his credibility on maintaining his pledge to never see another Bay film. This will be directly at odds with his compulsion to see the second TF film (perhaps by nefarious means) in order to have an informed opinion on it.<P>Of course, he will tell you that he doesn't actually need to see it in order to vomit hate upon it. And it surely won't stop him from what I guarantee will be a deluge of Bay-hate-style posts as we inch closer to the film's premier.<P>It's going to be hysterical.

  • Aug. 7, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    R rated or PG13

    by bigj1124

    Here in the UK both T1 & T2 were 15 certificates not sure how that fits in with the R rating in the US, we have an 18 cert which I guess would tie in with your R rating, would love it if someone would clarify it please!

  • Aug. 7, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Cameron made Pirahna before he did Terminator, folks.

    by MolaRambo

    Let's all just give McG a fighting chance at making something we'll love. If he fails, he at least tried. You can't expect more than that. The Terminator franchise was dead after T2 afterall.

  • Aug. 7, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    This interview sucks!

    by SuckLeTrou

    Not one single question about Girlicious!

  • Aug. 7, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    T4 should be rated R...and also must be SMART!

    by FleshMachine

    t1 & 2 were smart...T3 was not.

  • Aug. 8, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    talks the talk, but does he walk?

    by 1st and only

    Ok, lets give this guy a shot.He seems self-aware which is a rare thing in hollywood.

  • Aug. 8, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Hey McG...use your real fricken name moron...

    by Photoman

    McG sounds so idiotic now that "Super Bad" came out with it's McLovin or when that Drew guy changed his name to McWeeny. Why not change your name to McLovin now McG? I refuse to go see anything by this idiot simply because of his idiotic name. What, are you ashamed of your REAL name? Just go by what you were born with moron.

  • Aug. 8, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Jensen Ackles as Flash Gordon!

    by spud mcspud

    Whoever the genius was that said that, take a bow. Fucking fantastic casting. He's probably the only guy I can think of who'd give that character the humour it would need. But as they'll never top that camp classic from 1980, why try?<P> JENSEN ACKLES = FLASH GORDON<p> PATRICK STEWART = MING THE MERCILESS<p> VANESSA FERLITO = PRINCESS AURA<p> MEGAN FOX = DALE ARDEN<P> BRIAN BLESSED = PRINCE VULTAN OF THE HAWKMEN<P> JUDE LAW = PRINCE BARIN<p> SAM ROCKWELL = DR HANS ZARKOV<P> RUFUS SEWELL = KLYTUS<P> CLAUDIA BLACK = GENERAL KALA<P> DIRECTOR = JOEL SCHUMACHER (seriously!)<P> And back on topic, McG - don't fuck this up. You'll have Jarv and I to answer to if you do - for starters...

  • Aug. 8, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    About WE ARE MARSHALL...

    by spud mcspud

    Watched it last week for the first time on Sky Premiere. Amazed at how involving it is as a small-scale human drama. Yep, wept like a bitch when Matt Fox's character finally gave in to his grief and cried after the climactic match, in the empty locker room. Was totally drawn into the movie, and saddened to see it was based on a true story. Then I saw the words "McG" where the "Directed By" credit was.<P> Colour me very surprised that McG could pull off a small-scale human drama. I'll give him a free pass based on this interview and the craftsmanship he showed on WE ARE MARSHALL - a great little movie, well worth watching.<P> Now fuck off and do CHARLIE'S ANGELS 3 next - where the original, fraying-around-their-ageing-edges Angels trio have to train 3 hot new chicks - Megan Fox, Amber Heard and back-to-red-hair Lindsay Lohan. Guest-starring Charlize Theron as The Handler and Gillian Anderson as The Cleaner. Now get Bill Murray back and presto - Spud wins! The greatest Angel movie EVER. Give Vanessa Ferlito a villainess role where she gets to wrestle Megan Fox in the rain, on a muddy field.<P> Need to go now. Ahem.

  • Aug. 8, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    You know who'd be a good Terminator?

    by spud mcspud

    The big Germanic looking dude who was in BLADE TRINITY as Drake / Dracula and is also in PRISON BREAK. I can't be arsed to IMDB him right now, I'm fucking knackered. You all know who I mean!<P> No Arnie = T4 IS DEAD TO ME.

  • Aug. 9, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    T2 "timeline" may have never existed..

    by krylite

    Cameron originally wanted the next movie after T1 to show the future side of the war. Then came Aliens, and he changed his mind to do T2 set in present day. (maybe the Ellison lawsuits steered him away) I can't believe all you T2 fans forgot back in 1991 Starlog Cameron said he wanted to show the future war that "everyone wanted to see" in the next Terminator movie which he never got to. (True Lies and Titanic instead). So McG has been on track since '91. Everyone wanted to see the future war back then. McG has done his homework and looks like he's really talked to Cameron. I give him props for seeming to really care as a T2 fan like everyone else. That said, the best directors of imagination were also cameramen from toddler age. Kubrick was a photographer for years before Spartacus. Jackson's hobby was filming as a teenager. Lucas was fooling around trying to show he was somebody at 16 and got into a desert road racing accident in Modesto and hurt his back. His main hobby that he was proud of was teen racing and it shows he understands racing in THX1138 and Star Wars trench, but not much else. His friends and family made Star wars and ESB for him. (Kirschner was one of his film instructors in USC)Marcia Lucas and someone else did the SW final edit after his first cut was a mess. Guinness and Ford improvised and "directed" the acting. Lucas captalized on SW success to pioneered new sfx and sound industries in the modern era of filmmaking and deserves true credit for that, but I hope to never see a film or anything directed by him ever again. (That he barged on and tried to give "film theory lessons" on the upcoming AOTC cartoon movie is worrisome. The new artists had to listen to him and do what he wanted. He pays their salaries). that said I hope McG really has the talent and/or the luck to give us another sci-fi classic milestone like Aliens and T1/T2 were. To wait and see.

  • Aug. 9, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    i'm ok with the name..

    by krylite

    We've got "the wachowski brothers", "McDonalds", "McGyver", "Kit", Dallas' RJ. TJ Hooker, Wendy's, Fry's. Prince, U2, Bono. honestly, iPod. Steve Jobs, and Bill Gates are sometimes just called Jobs and Gates. "McG" hadn't really bothered me I guess. Does he have a first name? That girl terminator in the series is just called "Cameron".

  • Aug. 9, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Maybe the reason for the rating is..

    by goatfever2007

  • Aug. 9, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Maybe the reason for the PG13 is...

    by goatfever2007

    ..we're so densensitized to violence here in 2008 compared to 1984 or 1992 that what rated an "R" back then is just "PG13" now. that damn enter button between the subject and comment boxes..

  • Aug. 9, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    McG & his Terminator...

    by wacko3205

    I may be wrong…but two of the main issues seem to be that people just can’t get their heads around the franchise minus the lead director (Cameron) & that handing the mantle over to someone unproven such as McG is a tough sell. I understand that. I love Cameron & feel that the first film broke ground that could never be broken again…then came Terminator 2...& it pulled the same punches. While Terminator 3 wasn’t all that I wanted…it was more than I had hoped for. That being said…in comparison…once Nolan bails from the Batman bill…I’ll probably be sore about it, so I can relate to people feeling oddly towards McG & his resume. Maybe he’ll pull it off…maybe not…but if the writing is decent & Bale is committed…it’ll be a pretty decent film…which is all that we can ask for. In the end…this will be McG’s film…like it or not…& this will either make the man…or break the man. I hope that he makes it & that it makes him.

  • Aug. 10, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    If James Cameron believes in McG, why can't you?

    by JDanielP

    I see the talent in McG and I do believe in his Terminator flick. -Heck, I'm not a Michael Bay fan but my hunch was correct, about his TRANSFORMERS (depending on YOUR perspective.) And I figure I'm right about McG. Bring on the summer ride!

  • Aug. 11, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by Brian

    He says he's making a movie WITHOUT a rating in mind and that just HAS to be a bald-faced lie. Are we actually supposed to believe that? Anyway, maybe he'll pull off a PG13 with the argument that laser kills don't produce fountains of blood. Then that rules out the nuances of realism that really make a movie feel authentic... like people getting blown up and ripped apart by shrapnel! Look, if it's PG13 thos will NOT be a brutal future war for the survival of humanity. Sorry. Now having said that... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he'll do it up R-style and bring us the high-stakes war we've been waiting for. I'll be there to see it opening night, hopped up on cocaine and tacos with a notebook in my hand. Til then I'll just sit back and wonder--- will there be blood?