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FRIDAY THE 13TH Producers Brad Fuller and Andrew Form Discuss the Reinvention of Jason Voorhees with Mr. Beaks!
Though it's impossible to ascertain anything about the actual quality of Platinum Dunes' FRIDAY THE 13TH remake from the special-to-Comic Con teaser (pieced together from fairly rough footage), I'll say this much: it looks like a FRIDAY THE 13TH movie. Then again, so did JASON TAKES MANHATTAN.
Producers Brad Fuller and Andrew Form are well aware of your... reticence. They've read the talk backs. They know you're tough to please. All that said, they seem very confident with their FRIDAY THE 13TH reboot. You want a FRIDAY THE 13TH with a series of inventive kills, a batch of good lookin' babes, and a Jason who's unstoppable and ubiquitous as can be without resorting to teleportation? Well, that's what you're gonna fucking get!
A word on that footage: it begins with a pair of inadvisably curious teenagers happening upon a spooky house in the forest. Since they're neither Jared Padalecki nor Amanda Righetti (the respective final guy and girl of this FRIDAY THE 13TH), they barge right in and stick around even though the place is plainly a haven for some backwoods breed of maniac. By the time the dude inexplicably reaches into a hole in the wall of the bathroom to retrieve a severed head, you've already written them off for the sequel.
From there, I can happily report that all of the crucial elements for a "good" FRIDAY THE 13TH are in place: the hockey mask, Jason's "Ki-ki-ki, ma-ma-ma" and, um, killin'. We didn't get to see too much gore, but I imagine there will be a healthy (or unhealthy) flow of blood in this movie. If you've any other questions, here's Fuller and Form to hopefully answer 'em. (We also touch on their planned remake of THE BIRDS, and another 80s horror franchise they'd like to bring back.)
Beaks: With a film like this, you've got to first build the buzz through the fans and get them excited. So while you didn't want to go in a supernatural direction with the character? Also, did you still feel like there were certain elements that absolutely had to be in place?
Brad Fuller: What made the movie interesting for us to make is that Jason Voorhees is one of the most iconic killers to ever be put on film. And what made him interesting is that he's methodical and unstoppable. Having said that, anything that goes away from that and makes it feel unrealistic... we wanted to move as far away from that as possible. For us, this is a guy who lives in the forest and eats what he kills. He's in shape because he lives in the forest; he's not lumbering around because he has to trap. That, to us, made him a more effective killer. So in our movie, as you saw from the piece we showed today... Jason is fast. He runs fast. He's athletic. He can move.
Beaks: That money shot of Jason bearing down on the girl... Jason's moving so fast, moving so fast, and the camera is backing away so fast, I thought she was on a rig.
Andrew Form: She wasn't. She was just on her hands and butt going "Get the hell away from me!"
Fuller: She's scared at that moment, too. Her fear is palpable. Look at him! (Pointing back to Derek Mears) He's big right here. If he comes running at you swinging that thing... it's crazy! The other shot in the trailer is the girl in the tent. He comes up behind her in the tent, and you see him pull up with the machete. In that shot, we had to use a real machete because we couldn't score the back of that tent. We wanted it to feel real. And she's terrified because that's a real machete coming through the back of the tent, and then he attacks her.
Form: The sound is all real. And her reaction is unbelievable. She didn't really know when he was coming through. So... it's fun.
Beaks: Can you talk about hiring Marcus Nispel to direct the film? It's interesting because--
Fuller: You know what's crazy? You're the first person to ask us that question today, and I think you're our last interview.
Form: You're the only person who's mentioned him.
Beaks: I'm surprised he isn't here. He was out front doing press for TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE back in 2003. Maybe people just simply forgot about him.
Fuller: Here's the thing: Marcus is a really great shooter. He can make his days. Sometimes what he does on the set is make it feel very frenetic and crazy. I think that worked on this movie. Now, that's not always the best working environment, but not knowing exactly what's going to happen next... that makes the performances seem real. There's an edginess to it that works for these kinds of films. That's why he was great for CHAINSAW, and that's why I think people will be happy with what he did on this film.
Beaks: The original FRIDAY THE 13TH movies were, visually, very perfunctory. Bringing in a stylist like Marcus, was there a concern that fans might say, "Hey, this guy's too fancy! He's too good!"
Form: Well, the movie's not shot that way. It's really not. It's not over-stylized. I don't think we'll turn anyone off like that. As Brad said, he's an amazing shooter, but it's not an over-stylized version.
Beaks: Derek mentioned that he's playing Jason, in part, as a survivalist in the John Rambo mold. Hearing what you guys are doing with the character, that makes a lot of sense. When you were developing the script, where there any other monsters - real or fictional - you might've been referencing?
Fuller: For us, it was just about making him as scary and imposing as possible. It was about making sure that we had the mask right and the machete right. Also, that there was a variety in the amount of kills: how we do them, how much blood there is, and making sure that they're not repetitive.
Beaks: With regards to THE BIRDS remake, are you working from the Daphne du Maurier short story or more directly from the Hitchcock film?
Fuller: It's starting from the short story. That's what got us all excited about the film, and Martin [Campbell] has his own take that he's kind of spun from that. But we don't have a script yet, so we can't really say. We'll know in a couple of months.
Beaks: And other horror films you're looking to remake?
Form: A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET is the movie we want. We hope that'll be our next film. Hopefully, the studio will allow us to remake it.
Beaks: Well, that's a better film than any of the FRIDAY THE 13TH movies. The first one, at least.
Form: The original ELM STREET is a great film. We'd be lucky to have an opportunity to take that on.
Beaks: And go in a completely different direction? The original is so indelible.
Fuller: The studio already hired a writer, Wesley Strick, to start writing, so we're not really privy to that. They know our interest. Part of it is figuring out what they want to do. I think they want to see what we did with [FRIDAY THE 13TH], and, when they see it, I hope they're happy.
So there you go. There will be a lot of murder in this FRIDAY THE 13TH. Happy?
Faithfully submitted,
Mr. Beaks
Fuller: She's scared at that moment, too. Her fear is palpable. Look at him! (Pointing back to Derek Mears) He's big right here. If he comes running at you swinging that thing... it's crazy! The other shot in the trailer is the girl in the tent. He comes up behind her in the tent, and you see him pull up with the machete. In that shot, we had to use a real machete because we couldn't score the back of that tent. We wanted it to feel real. And she's terrified because that's a real machete coming through the back of the tent, and then he attacks her.
Form: The sound is all real. And her reaction is unbelievable. She didn't really know when he was coming through. So... it's fun.
Form: You're the only person who's mentioned him.
Faithfully submitted,
Mr. Beaks
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Maybe in the sequel Jason can fly into Vietnam and rescue some POW's
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A couple of shitheads with no creativity whatsoever who are remaking anything that was successful in the past - Friday the 13th, the Birds, Nightmare on Elm Street.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=743ro-XbY8A
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I'm not a Friday the 13th expert (although - yes - I've seen them all). How many kills has Jason actually got with the machete? I know it's his iconic weapon, but it really doesn't feel like he's killed THAT many with it. Of course, he did do that "three kills for one swing" in part six...
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I agree with you completely with your "Jason is a clone of Michael Myers" argument. The difference between the two however was Halloween was actually scary (watching it as a kid) where as Friday the 13th part 2 & 3 was more comedic in nature when compared to Halloween. Jason was never and will never be as scary as the original Michael Myers.
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At the rate Hollywood is doing remakes, they are going to run out of shit to do really quick. It's almost a treat just to see something original these days. Screw crap like this - although it will probably be fun to watch hammered at 2 in the morning.
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and "reimaginings", but please, God, no! No remake of Nightmare! Please!
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If they go ahead and do a remake of Nightmare on Elm Street, I hope it has more psychological horror than just plain blood and guts. I want them to make Freddy into a child raping torturing killer...so the audience can hate him and not clap when he is on screen killing stupid teens. They need to make these characters scary ala Hannibal Lecter in Lambs. Make it disturbing.....Horrible to watch. These are supposed to be horror films right?
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How does it feel to succeed in a creative industry (film, not Hollywood) without a single creative thought or idea in your head? Is being dedicated to constantly rehashing old ideas that were fine the first time really as fun as it looks? Where did you buy those egos that make you think you can improve on Hitchcock, Craven, etc.? Were they expensive? I don't think I've EVER read an interview on this site regarding a remake where any tough questions (with follow-up) were asked about WHY this remake or that is NECESSARY. After the endless reams of horseshit about "reimagining" or "reinventing" or "reintroducing," at least make the polite request before the interview not to use any word that begins with "re." This is becoming like a nightmare that never ends.
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Taking other peoples movies and slapping their names on 'em.
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that would explain the blonde hair...maybe he's wearing her face too...a little norman bates, a little hannibal lecter, a whole lotta blood
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I have heard people call for Ben Foster as Freddy in a new Elm Street. I think he could play creepy child rapist/killer perfectly.
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...was never a good series. Hatchet is sorta the same but better. Halloween will always be number one.
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Michael Winslow, because behind the scar make-up, its all in the voice. But really, Wes Craven was an artist compared to the group of sequel directors, even those like Chuck Russell and Renny Harlin, who were able to use it as a springboard to bigger things.
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just isn't right.
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First of all, despite being a Hitchcock film, The Birds was fucking retarded. They're birds. Second, hasn't it already been remade like a dozen times on TV? Anyway, as far as remakes go, A Nightmare on Elm Street remake isn't the worst idea in the world, if they bring back the tone of the first movie and make it a horror film instead of a comedy like all the sequels were.
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I'm less opposed to remakes than really shitty sequels. It's fairly obvious that they will never stop making Freddy/Jason/Michael Myers/Leatherface movies because we will never stop watching them so if it's just coming down to a "re-imagining" or another Jason X then I guess I'll take the re-imagining. As off as Rob Zombie's Halloween was, it was better than Halloween Resurrection or wherever the series was planning to go after that had there not been a remake. And let's be real for a minute here, Friday the 13th is nowhere close to being the sacred cow that Halloween is. So yeah, fuck these stupid studios for their lack of creativity in picking their projects (although, as Tugg to Glam Girls mentioned, there are tons of great remakes, Fistful of Dollars and the Magnificent Seven also come to mind.) BUT, if they are going to keep making entries in these franchises no matter what I don't mind them hitting the reset button and trying to do it properly. Look what they did with Batman. Again, not denying that there are some spectacularly bad remakes, and many of them are just uncalled for like The Wicker Man or the Birds, but when it comes to stuff like Jason or Michael Myers a remake is usually better than another sequel.
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That remake of The Omen was probably the most unnecessary remake since Psycho. What the hell was the point of that one?
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So these are two of Hollywood's biggest douchebags
by Bobo_Vision Aug 1st, 2008
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A couple of shitheads with no creativity whatsoever who are remaking anything that was successful in the past - Friday the 13th, the Birds, Nightmare on Elm Street.
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appears out of nowhere. you have to almost wonder if hes even alive or a ghost. or a ppile of worms the grew out of the ground. giving Jason a "scary" house in the forest kills the character.
the way little Jason was still in the lake in the first movie. while grown jason was in the shadows of the forest of the first movie is what made it great and mysterious and interesting.
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You have seen the original Friday the 13th in the last ten or so years, right? Cause that second paragraph... yeah....
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As in Michael Aubrey Myers. Plain as day when you watch the extended cut. Audrey is a girl's name, dude.
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WTF are you talking about? "the way little Jason was still in the lake in the first movie. while grown jason was in the shadows of the forest of the first movie is what made it great and mysterious and interesting." Please give me your dealers number cause he is selling you some good shit.......Jason MOM was lurking in the shadows in the original Friday the 13th.
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So the marketing team could advertise the release date as 06-06-06. It was made solely to accommodate a once-in-a-lifetime release date.
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Actually, fucking retarded. As Bacardi pointed out, grown Jason was NOT in the first movie. It was his mom.
Second, Jason DID have a house in Part 2. A nasty, decrepit, run-down shack in the middle of the woods.
I've personally always loved Friday the 13th 1-4 the most, because they're the ones that are most believable. Hell, 2-4 take place over three days, and while a stretch, the injuries he gets at the end of 2 and 3 could conceivably be survivable.
I hope they stick more in the vein of 2 or 4, which I thought were the best ones (aside from the first.)
Hell, even 6 was pretty fucking awesome, aside from the whole lightning reviving his dead ass bit.
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FREDDY vs. JASON II, motherfuckers!
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Aug 01, 2008 7:05:26 PM CDT
How will this endless trail of bad Horror film remakes end?
by filmz0mbie
And so help me god if anybody touches the greatness that is Hellraiser I will suicide bomb the studio.
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But horror movies are low budget and always make money, so it's all relative.
I'm sick of these remakes from 20 years ago that don't merit remakes. There's absolutely no reason to remake this franchise. Does it benefit in any way from the advances in CGI, etc., that are used to rationalize so many other remakes? If so I don't see how. Just another way of underscoring the paucity of originality in Hollywood. -
Wow, the debate is as intense as it is obscure, but I do feel better (maybe) knowing Michael Myers's middle name and having a better handle on the evolving dynamics of Jason's walking-vs-running preferences.
Look haters, FVJ was fun and a fitting way to end both of the original franchises, which barely limped through the 90s. This rebootmake may stink, but it can't be worse than Jason and the Muppets Save Christmas or whatever else they would have done next with the original franchise.
Plus, here's the deal, some of you are certified player haters who deserve no bling, and 50 Cent or Nelly would tell that to you to your face (I probably wouldn't).
And here's why. You're trashing this like everyone's been trashing the new Terminator and probably trashed Batman Begins before it came out a few years ago, then you'll line up on opening weekend to watch it. So, give it up already.
And in closing, the original Halloween--I don't get it. Out of misplaced respect for the canon of classic horror films, I watch this film once every 5-10 years hoping I'll see what others see, and I just don't get it. He's not scary, the victims elicit no reaction from me--I don't like or dislike them or care. No one has any spunk or quirks or anything to make me care. Look!!! He's watching Jamie Lee Curtis from behind the bushes! Gasp!!! He just cocked his head to the side!!! Egad! He's shambling through a pitch black house!!! That just doesn't cut it.
Jason may be a rip off of Michael Myers, but if anything, that says something about what a punk MM is that he would just stand there and let Jason come in and bite MM's style and elevate it to another level, and here MM's just sitting there speechless like that dude at the end of 8Mile. Rep your hood, homey!!! I'd rather watch a an 80 minute George Foreman grill infomercial. -
PS. Cool use of the words underscore and paucity in a single sentence in the context of a talkback about Jason Vorhees. Very perspicacious.
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Tedious, Tedious, Tedious.
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Tits. And lots of em'. Tits and gore is all those movies should be about, but with the current direction the MPAA is in, we'll be lucky to get a sideboob.
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cuz there will be nothing left to remake, and hollywood has run out of ideas...burn down all the theaters and put up parking lots
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Yeah, man! There are no stinking original movies! What happened to the good old days when Hollywood made original films, like Desperately Seeking Susan, Faces of Death, and Turner and Hooch. Dude, Hooch is probably rolling over in his grave right now. And not for a treat.
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Hey guys, Jason ran quite a bit up until Part 4. In part 2 he runs full tilt boogie from that fat cop.
In part 3 he runs after Dana, and
in 4... well, he moves pretty fast in the last scene. So "running Jason" isn't too farfetched, though Kane refused to do it. -
...he's already got the hockey mask...give him some skates and let's see what he can do.
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Friday the 13th. The Birds. Nightmare on Elm Street. Why are we remaking these films? One campy horror classic, one ICONIC Hitchcock film, and one of the horror genre's best. This is as bad as the Halloween remake. WHY?!
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Because people are still paying to see "Saw IX: Saw Harder." Is this any worse than that?
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I love the story but the first one is pretty crude and the second one is even more dated looking. That's one franchise that could benefit from better effects and slicker cinematography, etc.
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Because these folks will bore you to death whining about the lack of hollywood originality, blah blah blah Coen Brothers blah blah PT Anderson is a genius blah blah. What we need are complex films that defy genre boundaries while overturning and subverting conventional narrative structure.
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Films that flash forward over crucial plot points just to show you how cool and edgy they are.
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we have such sights to show you
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Honestly where did the idea pop up the any of the f13 film were classics. They're not. The original was a cash-in to Halloween and contained none of the subtle and nuanced directing.
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give us about an hours worth of back story of Pinheads life before he becane Pinhead, so we could feel sad for him and relate to him. I could see the whole flick taking place during the Great War and having Captain Elliott Spencer (Pinhead to those who don't know) seeing death around him, losing his mind etc...Hey wait a minute, time to fire up Final Draft on my laptop, I might be on to something!
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= boring snoozefest. It was so subtle I didn't even know I was being scared. The Friday movies are not classics. They're not even good. They're cinematic white trash guilty pleasures. That's the difference b/t them and Halloween I : the Friday films aren't pretending to be good.
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4, 3, 2, 6, X, JGTH, tie for the rest. FVJ is more entertaining than all of them. Yeah, I said it. And I'd watch Jason Goes to Pizza Hut before I'd watch another Halloween.
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4, 3, 2, 6, X, JGTH, tie for the rest. FVJ is more entertaining than all of them. Yeah, I said it. And I'd watch Jason Goes to Pizza Hut before I'd watch another Halloween.
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I'm a huge fan of the Friday series. I've been watching them since I was 4 years old. I've seen each of them multiple times. But I'm perfectly fine with this remake. Skani really summed it up well. FvJ wraped up the original line of movies. And, more importantly, if they were to do another sequel to the Friday films, chances are it would not be very good. 8 was a pretty lame cruise movie with just a few sweet kills, a terrible story, and an awful, hackneyed ending. Jason Goes to Hell had the man in it for maybe 10 good minutes (the first 5 and the last 5). Jason X was fun but a bit over the top. And FvJ was a fun, but flawed film. And it felt more like a Nightmare film than a Friday film. The Friday films have always been fun. And the first two were pretty scary to boot. The ending of Friday 1 was so bad ass and scary and unexpected that it launched the entire series. Anyway, I'm all for seeing another Friday the 13th movie, and if given the choice between what would likely be another lame sequel or starting over with the best bits from 1-3, I'll choose the latter. Oh, and as already mentioned here, Jason was strong and fast in 2-4 and, yes, he lived in a shack in the woods of Crystal Lake. That's where he had his mom's shrine. There are some movies that Hollywood should never reimaginebootmake, but Friday is not one of them. I look forward to this film very much and can't wait to see how it comes out. And, PLEASE, use the Manfredini score!!!
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I deem you fit to take on the voice-of-reason mantle. I'm going to bed...in sleeping bag outside.
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Aug 01, 2008 10:16:28 PM CDT
I want to see a film where Jason is a pacifist.................
by crackerfarmboy
That'd piss EVERYONE off! Well, except pacifists. In all honesty, this movie certainly sounds like it's heading in the right direction. Still not a big fan of the blond locks though.
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When two or three in a row pull in less than 5 million their opening weekend. As long as the kids keep going to see them, as long as they generate enough buzz to get it on the top 10 talkbacks *natch* producers will keep making them.
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When your guys in charge of making a Friday the 13th movie say that Nightmare on Elm Street was better than any Friday the 13th film, the thing is screwed. Fuck these guys.
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4, 11, 2, 1, 10, 7, 3, 6, 5, 8, 9 (Yes I'm aware that they are not technically good films, but so be it.)
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Um, Nightmare 1 WAS better than any F13th film. That's not a minority opinion, is it? I think it's possible to hold that opinion and still do this film? The original Psycho's better than any of these films, but what's that got to do with the price of cous cous in India?
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These movies have been re-made for almost 80 years and will continue to be re-made. And the slasher movie monsters of the 70s and 80s should be no different. Remakes aren't AUTOMATICALLY EVIL or disgraceful to attempt. With that being said, I really see NO NEED in a Jason reboot. What more can they do that hasn't already been done in the past ELEVEN films? It also seems like they're trying to make it more realistic but a lot of Jason's appeal over the years was the over-the-top almost cartoon-like violence of the latter films (everything after Part 5)... Jason teleporting, uppercutting guys' heads clean into dumpsters, slamming skulls into trees leaving bloody smiley face imprints in the wood. You take that out and some of the fun of those movies are lost. Even tho I really dont want to see this either, I would rather see the Nightmare remake than this. And again not blindly remake-bashing but it IS kind of sad that all these guys want to do is remake classic horror movies and NOTHING else.
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1 and 1a... Best horror movies ever. I love the Jason series but none of those movies come close. Friday the 13th was fun. Nightmare on Elm Street and Halloween were SERIOUS.
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Back in the day there were two camps, the Friday the 13th camp and the Nightmare on Elm Street camp...I'm just saying that no one, and I mean no one involved in making a F13 movie would have ever uttered anything like that. These guys think that than its fine, let em go ruin a Nightmare on Elm Street reboot.
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Nightmare was many things but SERIOUS.
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I vaguely remember the 2nd one being like that too but I never liked that one that much to watch it often. Freddy seemed to become more of a comedian in the 3rd one. "WHERES THE FUCKIN BOURBON!!!" for example. But in the original, he was at his most vicious. Pointing to his glove and saying, "This... is god..." for example...
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You all know it...STOP THE HATE!!!
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IS the BEST movie ever made!!!!
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I'd watch the new remake. Yup, I said it. And to boot, I am a total film geek. And I watched all of the Nightmare movies and F13th movies as they came out originally. I cringed when I heard they were doing a Dawn of the Dead remake...I liked it. There are many I wasn't fond of too. But let's face it, SOME of the older movies didn't age well. If you play them today they fail on rediculous levels. I prefer to let them live on in my memory with their AWESOMENESS. The MOST EVIL thing ANY of these reproductions can or could possibly do to a horror franchise, which has been done numerous times, is flake out and go for the PG13 rating. I F13 does that there is no FUCKING way I would ever even watch that shit on television even if i were incapacitated by alcohol or injury. That's the deal sealer for me PG13 is BULLSHIT! I think they would find it hard pressed to make a believeably frightening Nightmare on Elm Street Remake, they could leave that one alone. It was one of the most terrifying movies from my memories as a young teenager. HOWEVER, with the right script, and a good director, that remake could be outstanding if brought up to date. Visual effects, editing, and ESPECIALLY sound has come a LONG way since the early eighties. For Nightmare to work out very well they need very good sound mixing, and scoring. Hitchcock was a master because he let the imagination "see" the atrocity of his films. That's not to say that Physical make up and prosthetics arent awesome, but a director that has restraint and the right feel for when physical make up and CG are appropriate COULD make it a viable reinvention. I Hold the first two Hellraiser movives in higher regard than almost any movies in horror, escpecially the second one, but the first one could have been a MUCH better film, and I think if they serioulsy do well with the reinvention of that film, it could be incredible. If they really want to succeed in ANY of these iconic pop culture horror movies, they need to focus on the scary and less on the camp and folding to the idea that PG13 is the answer to a successful movie. PG13 is good for some things, it has, in my opinion, about a 90% failure rate in the horror genre. Horror is there because ADULTS need and desire their own entertainment. Most of the people who get all quivery when they see the hockey mask on the new F13 poster do so because they are adults. Sorry so wordy.
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to saying "it's like BATMAN BEGINS." I would like them to start saying this is not a remake, this is like BATMAN BEGINS. Then we can add it to the list with CASINO ROYALE, TERMINATOR SALVATION and ROBOCOP. Make it happen, fellas.
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CH CH CH, AH AH AH
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there's NO harm in rebooting this, Jason is an icon for better or worse, I like him and am looking forward to having him updated (minus space and freddy and with some style)
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Should have put a spoiler warning on this article. Now I know Jason will kill people, there's a machete involved, and those two darlings I was so ready to care about in the beginning will die. Really, what's the point in actually going to the movies anymore? It's fine when some trashy little movie gets spoiled, but with a highly anticipated film from a true auteur most likely destined for multiple Oscars is spoiled, it really hurts. Thanks a lot, AICN.
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the tone of III and II are best for this project. God these movies suck.
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...is Amanda Righetti, the "final girl." It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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...something fierce. "Athletic Jason"? Oh, fuck off.
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your sarcasm cuts like a blunt machete
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this will be great i want a sequel after this.
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Then they'll be pimping these things forever. Lotsa F13ths in the calendar to come - 2010 August / 2011: May / 2012: January, April, July / 2013: September, December /
2014: June / 2015: February, March, November ...
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If they really are going on with the Elm Street remake. I'm with the majority of you. Keep Freddy scary and stay away from the punny one-liners and it could be okay.
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Who likes zombie Jason more than "survivalist running killer living in the woods" Jason? Yup, I guess so.
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I like my Jason able to bend people in half and punch holes through people.
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And it will be revealed that he kills teenagers who are having sex because he believes sex before marriage is wrong.
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KILL HER MOMMY! KILL HER!!!
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I am in a questo o alwys rong evthing. Okay, I do respect what you're saying though, as far as if I'm commissioning a remake, I don't want some dudes who are lukewarm on the icon of Jason and who disregard what these films mean to people. I 'd want some crazy mad dog who's been waiting his whole life to do a genuinely scary Jason movie (one that doesn't involve Jason joining Stallone and a band of ewoks to liberate al-Sadr City). Also, I'm fully aware that "Freddy or Jason" is like a "Coke or Pepsi" thing where people are going to have their preferences and you're not going to persuade them otherwise. That's why I'm leaving this talkback and going back to the David Zucker one so I can convince liberals to become conservative and vice versa. P.S. I'm not hating Jason X. It's hilarious, and I own it. I'm just saying, if you want to be scared, I don't think the pt 1-10/FVJ franchise was ever going to put that lightning back in the bottle. So, get over it.
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P.S. If you haven't checked out Vern's Seagal book, you've gotta do that. No, I am not a shill (Vern you can make that check out to cash).
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i can feel the satan reverberating off these guys through the article alone. "fast zombies sell...let's do fast jason!"
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I think it speaks volumes about where Hollywood is that when asked what these clowns want to do next all they can come up with is MORE remakes
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Has anybody noticed that the way to "modernize" something is to make it faster? Zombies have to run, because old zombies are supposedly not scary, even though what made them scary never had anything to do with their speed, it was the fact that there were always more of them. Michael Meyers has to run. Jason has to run. HATCHET's "old school horror" is a guy who runs around yelling. It doesn't matter if the slowness was part of what made the original so powerful, that Jason's calmness behind that blank mask was what was unsettling about him. It's like a car. Faster is better! And put flames on it. Maybe some neon lights around his boots.
To be honest the "athletic" comments just sounded corny, they didn't really bother me until I watched that youtube trailer. I don't know man, when they show him running around at the end I have a hard time thinking of him as Jason, he looks like some goofball in a Jason mask who doesn't know how Jason acts. But to be fair I did think it sort of worked in the (not very good) HALLOWEEN remake. So I guess it's possible. -
1) The Halloween remake was so mind numbingly awful it taints all future remakes by association.
2) Don't let these guys near Nightmare on Elm Street. Friday the 13th may be awesome (I'm crossing my fingers) But I don't want to get 5 years out and look back and realize the same guys remade Chainsaw, Friday and Nightmare. There needs to be original visions here, even if they end up sucking like Halloween.
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Jason X was brilliant. People that rip it, rip the concept and didn't see or get the movie. It's way different but it's pure fun.
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...in these nu-horror clusterfucks is simple. Look at the crowd they're aimed at. Kids today don't like shambling zombies, striding Jason and standing Michael Myers because it, like, takes too long 'n' stuff for them to catch the victims and they don't wanna watch, like, a rilly long movie, like, over an hour and twenty minutes 'n' shit...
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Jason ran in the early films. This isn't a way to modernize or try to reach these texting-during-movies-dipshits. It's a way to bring Jason back to his roots. And if Jason's human, you ever think that maybe after Jason gets injured, he will be a slow stalker as well??? It'll be the best of both worlds, much like the decision to have him in the sack and the mask. Can't wait to see it.
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Please make sure the new Jason throws at least one body through a window. This is the greatest unsung F13 tradition
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It was different and it made the situation the characters were in more grim and impossible, which is the best aspect of any good zombie movie. But faster and bigger isn't always better... I hated the roided out eight foot tall Michael Myers on crack of the remake.
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Did you see her in that O.C. episode where she's in her underwear. It made me blush. Yes, I used to watch the O.C. It's a very guilty pleasure. Summer's real hot. Marissa not so much. Too bad it got canned. Now I watch Friday Night Lights. That show's so fuckin good, the pleasure isn't even guilty at all.
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is one of the best shows on the networks, MORE PEOPLE SHOULD WATCH IT, get the dvds, even if your some nerd who was scarred by football jock assholes in high school and hence have an irrational hatred of all things football(I would imagine this applies to many of you haha), watch friday night lights, because its a damn good drama, well acted and well written and well made, plus GAMBIT is in it (the actor who plays him) and he's the fuckin' shit, Riggins for president!
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So now Jason has his own house and he runs around? Um... Comparing this reboot to Batman Begins is like comparing a steaming pile of dogshit to a fine chocolate mousse. It's kind of sad that these two guys don't have any more imagination than to dream of rebooting every horror franchise ever made. As a great man (above) once said, and I quote, "Fuck these guys and fuck this movie."
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Tell me this doesn't include people. Ugh.
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They can just spend an hour playing each other over Halo. I don't give a shit. Anything but another boring Jason film.
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imagin78 is currently in talks with Fuller and Form to remake their upcoming remake of Friday the 13th.
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I am absolutely sick of reading talkbacks where things are described as gay - meaning - gay equals a load of rubbish. Please cease this pathetic level of homophobia that simply shows your ignorance and obvious contempt for gay people. In other words GROW UP! Thanks.
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People have been talking about slow-vs-fast Jason and zombie-vs-nonzombie Jason, and I think if they are going to do a couple of these, it would be cool if they would be intentional about transitioning Jason into zombie Jason at some point rather than have it be a situation where they are just painted into a corner where resurrecting Jason as a zombie is the only way they can crank out another one. If they're going to have Jason be fast now, maybe he can become slow Jason once he gets zombified. It would be cool if they were deliberate in how that changes Jason. As far as fast zombies, I think the fast zombies in Dawn of the Dead remake were pretty cool. 28 Days Later--that one I did not get, and the whole fast zombie thing just felt like a gimmick (I realize 28 Days Later came first, but I think it worked better in Dawn of the Dead). Nevertheless, it did bug me how nonchalantly these dudes were talking about having a fast Jason, just assuming that's what people would want. And the director is the same dude who remade TCM (right?), so that's not exactly heartening. Still, at least they're trying to take the story back to the essence. Jason Meets the Fokkers can wait for some other year.
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How about a remake/Sequel to
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Yeah, that's why I put pt 6 in the top half of the Jason movies (see my collected works above). I thought pt 6 was cool although a little random how a lightning bolt magically shocks life into a body that's spent about 10 years decaying--then again, I don't expect rigorous logic from a Jason movie, that's why it's cool for him to walk at a pace of 1 mile/day and still magically teleport to wherever it is you've just sprinted to. All I'm saying is: (a) I don't mind a little experimentation with the character; (b) I think zombie Jason is pretty cool, but no need to rush into zombification; (c) it would be nice if somebody had a multi-film story arc in mind, since they're probably going to crank out a couple of sequels to this anyway.
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I would not watch a rebootimagimake of part 1, because I don't care about Pamela Vorhees other than as a setup/backstory for Jason. I'm not going to pre-judge this one, and I'm not against remakes in principle. I am deeply suspicious of anything Platinum Dunes does because it's Michael Bay somewhere in the background (yeah, I'm on that bandwagon) and because all these guys do is remakes, and because none of them has been good so far.
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Aug 02, 2008 6:27:55 PM CDT
Friday the 13th part 2 with the first appearance
by grammaton cleric binks
of Jason, other than the canoe scene at the end of the first movie, was filmed ten minutes from my house. Due to this I feel I deserve to have final script approval, and casting approval. Somebody get Kane Hodder on the phone.
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if that can be said at all. He took Jason from inbred loner stumbling bumbling redneck hillbilly to the silent but lovable brute we've come to love in a strange way.
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...there were no zombies in 28 Days Later. Or the sequel.
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It's a guilty pleasure at best. The most exciting part of the trailer for the remake is the final scene with Jason running. Even if this remake is on par with the Chainsaw Massacre remake, it'll be better than 80% of the originals.
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...there were no zombies in 28 Days Later. Or the sequel.
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...there were no zombies in 28 Days Later. Or the sequel.
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And F13 saw fast Jasons in 2-4, get your fucking facts straight, retards.
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I know he runs in part 2. That's actually my favorite one (except for part 3 when I can see it in 3-D). But that's not why they're doing it, if you read the quote about him being "athletic" he is clearly saying that is how they are making it different and "realistic." So send your comments to him, not me, he's the one who doesn't know.
My point is that the best thing people can think of to "modernize" and make things "realistic" is to make everybody run faster. I'm afraid that that is funny whether you think so or not. And I do look forward to the high speed bird attacks in THE BIRDS.
If I could be the one lecturing here for a minute, I think we are all smart enough that I shouldn't have to clarify that when I think it's funny that characters in horror remakes always run faster it does not mean that I am opposed to all forms of running. So I don't see how "my precious Leatherface" is related to this topic at all. Or Chariots of Fire is another movie that would be stupid to bring up, or Prefontaine. So don't bring those up either. It is okay for people to run both in real life and in movies. I will include that disclaimer in all posts for now on if you want but I would prefer not to.
As for Dawn of the Dead remake I enjoyed it, but I'm not sure what this "nobody would've liked it if the zombies didn't run fast" argument is about. That's kind of a silly "what if" because the approach to the remake is that they took out all the substance and most of the story and the personality of the zombies and recast it as a high speed action movie. And they did a pretty good job, I thought. I don't know, if they made it more like the (superior) original could it have been a hit? I think so, if they did a good job. It sounds to me like you're saying that people in general and horror audiences specifically are stupid and only want cheap thrills at high speed and can't appreciate anything more than that. I think these Platinum Dunes guys agree with you on that but I don't, I think there are actually plenty of intelligent people out there. I mean a year ago you could've argued that nobody would like a Batman movie that's done as a police procedural filmed on location in a real city, but you would've been wrong.
But I guess that brings us far away from the topic at hand, I'm just trying to respond to what you're saying. In conclusion I would like to see a movie where Jason runs a marathon against the zombies. thank you -
If you look at the trailer, it's clearly more of a trot, or possibly even an aggressive shuffle.
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Wow, this talkback has been a real journey of self-discovery and stuff. I kind of allowed myself to forget that this was a Platinum Dunes deal, and now the more we talk about this, the more wary I'm getting, just because their track record is so bad. I think a remake might actually be the best possible thing for F13 right now, but these guys may not be up the job. Plus, yeah, the way he's talking about "Nightmare is what we want to pursue next," he sounds like a venture capitalist looking to buy up a sporting goods chain or something. Creepy. And not in a good way.
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Wouldn't that be sweet? What Nolan did with Batman was a good way of re-imagining/re-purposing a franchise. With these Platinum Dunes guys, I get the sense they're just running old films through their factory, where they emerge with faster cuts, more blood and prettier stars. That's pretty much all F13 is about, s, they might pull it off, as long as they keep some sense of fun. But for The Birds and Nightmare on Elm Street? Why, Platinum Dunes? You guys aren't smart or talented enough to surpass the originals.
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Aug 03, 2008 1:19:15 AM CDT
As long as he's supernatural/undead in part 2, i'll be fine
by george newman
Part 6 is my favorite of the series by miles. Fantastic kills, very entertaining. He's resurrected by lightning. It's awesome. It's my favorite because i don't think that Jason can be taken seriously anymore. I don't want to take it seriously anyway. It's too much fun. Killing dumb, promiscuous teenagers is just plain fun. i don't feel scared, I just want to see them bite the dust.
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tent and "real machete." Man, no offense--I mean that, seriously--the interview was a bit Chris Farley. Don't pander to those guys. A remake of THE BIRDS? Yeah, they've got my respect.
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--he's been "reborn" as a generic serial killer who invokes THE HILLS HAVE EYES. Jesus, try something creative. Before he gruesomely dismembers another victim, maybe Jason could hold up a sign ("Here we go again!"). Or maybe you could hear an audible "boing" when Jason voyeuristically "peeps" at a babe when she's discarding her bikini top. But, nooooooo, the Cinema's most predictable icon is now a "sick hick" clone.
By the way, I loathed the INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS and THE BLOB remakes (extravagant budgets, anemic scripts). THE FLY remake, however, kicked ass. -
Heres the link to the footage presented at Comic Com!!! High Quality!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNpX9foya_U
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At least we'll probably have his childhood fleshed out so we can better understand why he's a mindless killer. Because that's what these sort of films need!
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lol.
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to me, jason running is fine, until he gets wounded so badly that he couldn't possibly run. then when he dies and comes back to life in the sequel... he should walk aggressively. and while we are at it, why not have a zombie film where you have both fast and slow zombies? fresh ones would still move like a living person would... but once rigor sets in they slow down. the first initial outbreak would be all fast movers, but as the movie goes on, you would see the slow rotting type, and only NEW zombies would move fast. savvy? oh and i rank the friday films as such... Final Chapter, Freddy Vs. Jason, Part 3,Part 2, New Blood, Part 1, Jason Lives, Jason X, Jason Goes To Hell, Jason Takes Manhattan, New Beginning
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Ah, I see. Yes I'll agree I liked both, but I think running redneck moronic hillybilly Jason if kept it up it would have lost the charm.
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Where I don't know, but it was in New Jersey. The second was filmed in Connecticut. As Joe Bob Briggs pointed out that ain't right. Jason should be a Jersey boy, not some upscale Connecticut suburbanite. Actually, stereotypes aside the state has it's rural parts and it's rich suburbs. I've got to head out in a couple minutes. If I can't finish my next post by then I'll give you the details of the setting later.
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It's not just part 2 where Jason runs. He runs ALOT at the end of parts 3 and 4. He was more realistic in the early movies. Platinum Dunes has always said they are taking the best elements from parts 2-4. I think you're blowing the "athletic" comment out of proportion. When he was human he ran, climbed houses, and threw people through windows. The new Jason doesn't appear to do anything different than the Jason from the early movies. He now has a slight hunchback (right shoulder is higher), so don't expect some perfectly built athlete.
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Just be creative instead of being remake hacks. Easy.
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His need for speed is real.
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I'm a huge F13th fan and I don't care if Jason runs or not.
PS, everyone knows Jason wasn't in part 1 including all involved with the remake. So anybody getting worked over the creators "not getting it" need to relax. The truth is that at this point F13 with no Jason = no audience. I wouldn't show for a Jasonless F13. -
I don't remember pt 1 being particularly bad, and I have nothing against it. It's just that Pamela Vorhees has become a background element in the F13th mythology. Like a lot of folks, I only came to the series after knowing Jason, and obviously Jason and F13th are synonymous. I think for practical purposes, I almost regard pt 1 as a prequel to the Jason series--I know "pt1 is pt1," but it doesn't matter, because Jason owns that world, just like he owns the mute slasher crown even though Myers came first. Sorry, dude, it is what it is. PS - I'd love to have someone make a convincing argument as to why Halloween I is so good other than "it was the first," "it's so subtle," "Jamie Lee Curtis," "Carpenter's score," blah blah blah. Okay, maybe it works on some level, but not as a scary movie. It's got no personality. And like I said before it's hard to care about anyone. Even Jamie Lee Curtis--I mean, she's more likable than not, but there's no real charisma there. Again, I know that's a "Coke vs Pepsi" no-win argument, but worshiping Halloween 1 feels like the horror equivalent of political correctness, and I'd like to see some deeper rationale. Thing is that Michael Myers has nothing to offer that Jason doesn't do better. However, I will definitely pay to see Myers and zombie Jason in some kind of a marathon or relay race, complete with cheering fans handing them cops of Gatorade, and Dr. Loomis screaming at the fans in vain the whole time: "Noooo! Don't you see, Michael's come home. He's come home to kill! And he won't ever stop. Really, he won't. I'm a psychiatrist. I've treated him. He's pure evil. I mean, Dr.-Evil-evil. Eeevil. How do I finance this crusade of mine? Don't ask. Okay, if you must know, I have a non-profit: 'Concerned Citizens Who Know that Myyyychael is Eeevil, and that He's come home!'. Have you all gone made!?! The gatorade only encourages him!"
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Firstly for talking about remaking schlock like F13 as if it's touching CITIZEN fucking KANE. Bah. Why the hell not?
But then...
Schlock should be left the hell alone. Well-made schlock - the F13, ELM STs, etc - were made in a certain way for a certain time, and the remakes just don't work. They don't. Name one horror remake since the year 2000 that HAS improved upon the original siginifcantly. The TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE remake may be all prettied up, fantastic cinematography, Jessica Biel's breasts etc etc, but is it BETTER than the original? NO. Because it's just not as scary. What the fuck is the point?
Slasher horror is as fucking dead as disco thanks to the SAW franchise and these insipid fucking remakes. Give it up and let it go. -
And he obviously hates running. Or maybe he's just allergic to any sort of aerobic activity. Tubby bastard is a cheeseburger away from having to use a scooter to get around.
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It was filmed on Lake Waramaug which is the second largest natural lake in CT. Part of it was also filmed in Macedonia State Park in Kent, CT. Kent is one of the four towns bordering the lake. I can look at this movie and clearly see my all the changes in the past decades. The small village in the beginning is the village of New Preston, which is a section of the town of Washington. The Country Grocer building is still there, but the store no longer exists. When this was filmed the village had the store, a gas station, pharmacy, Norm's barber shop, and one or two antique stores. The town was mostly farmers, with some weekend New Yorkers. Now, the whole village is all antique shops or businesses that no locals can afford, only the weekenders. In the beginning the guy's truck is towed around the corner by his friends. Well it was creative editing because around the corner is a very steep hill. The part where they unhook it and laug at him is a side street up the hill. He never would have been able to chase them. The phone booth was a prop too. There's never been a phone booth there. As they're driving to the camp later along a road it is the road around the lake. Now, this road is part of the CT Wine Trail. Up on the hill overlooking the lake is Hopkins Inn, and Hopekins Vineyards. Good food, and good wine. The bar scene where the female survivor was talking about Jason was called The Casino. It wasn't one as this was years before gambling was legalized in CT. The bar burnt to the ground years ago. There's a house there now. The parking lot/boat launch which was in front of The Casino was bought by an association of local who quickly blocked it off to prevent locals from having access to the lake at this point. I believe part of the movie was filmed at Lake Waramaug State Park which is in Kent as well. I've camped there, but not until I was in my 20s. I guess I never really appreciated living ten minutes from a lake when I was a little kid. As an adult I've brought friends there, and they all rave about how beautiful, and peaceful it is. Just goes to show you how unappreciative kids can be.
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All right man, uncle. I think where we differ is that I acknowledge the technical quality of the work--of course, it's technically superior to Friday. It's just that all of those qualities don't add up to more fear or fun. That's subjective, I suppose. Just doesn't scare or move me. Given that it is subjective, I guess it's a little too much to ask that someone explain why/how it scares them. I'll just accept that it does.
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for the babes. Part II offered two of the most tempestuous hottys in the series: Amy Steel (that strapless bikini, sigh) and Kirsten Baker (that moonlight skinny-dipping scene, sigh). Steel was supposed to be reprise her role in Part 3 but passed to circumvent stereotype. She wouldn't even discuss PART 2 but finally unloaded to the author of "Crystal Lake Memories". Baker, after performing in a string of B-movies (TEEN LUST, GAS PUMP GIRLS, abruptly disappeared. The FRIDAY remake will make more than THE LOVE GURU but don't look for a blockbuster. The HALLOWEEN suckfest, directed by Rod Zombie, made a profit but was still something of a financial disappointment (note, no sequels!). Gauging the content of the interview, it appears the "producers" were pretty clueless about their own commerce. I'll may see it on DVD--sometime around 2011.
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Let me get this straight you are making a living remaking horror films? How can I get into this business because it seems like an easy fucking thing to do to me. Do you get paid a lot of money to do this? I bet you do, I wouldn't mind getting paid to copy material that has been done before but adding a corny modern twist to the tales. Please give me some contacts so that I can start a career in piggy backing on the great talent of others. I so want that big fuck off Hollywood mansion and I don't care how I go about it. Hey the Hollywood writers need something to do now they've settled their dispute, how about getting them to copy and paste the scripts of Phantasm, Hellraiser, Candyman, Childsplay, Maniac Cop and Wishmaster, and then I come and work for you.
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Shit! Me and my big mouth. You're absolutely right I've just mapped out Fuller's future career for him. I want a percentage you lazy hacks.
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I heard the studio brass expected the film to be a blockbuster (it wasn't). However, considering the research that you've invested in these movies, I'll take your word for it (I'm not gonna look to Google or whatever for a rebuttal). I only enjoyed Danielle Harris' all-too-fleeting role in the remake (I've subsequently interviewed her twice--not surprisingly, she's quite intelligent, articulate and quite congenial). Resisting the Lohan/Spears hyperbole ("I'm famous, photograph me!"), she deserves better roles. By the way, HALLOWEEN III could have kicked ass--but Nigel Kneale's original script was aborted and rewritten with crayons. Pity--Kneale is one of the past century's most significant (sci-fi) screenwriters.
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I'd like to know what you personally think.Does it feel good interviewing hollywood types who have a penchant for rehashing horror movie franchises or does it leave a sour taste in your mouth when you have to ask them a bunch of questions? Do you have a genuine interest in this project or do you think it's going to be another piece of shit like everything else they regurgitate these days?
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I might be a bit too much of a classic horror fan, but I prefer my zombies slow. The relentless and unstoppable zombies that would keep chasing you no matter what were always scarier to me. Personally, I feel that the whole 'fast zombie' thing is an excuse for horror movies to inject more action into a film. You can bet that Bay declared his Jason would be a skilled athlete not because he knew about the early Friday movies, but for an excuse to have more superfast handicam filmed shots of Jason killing teenagers. Not that you'll be able to tell what's going on or anything because the action will be so sped up that all you'll see is a machete swing and a spray of blood. Going back to the Dawn remake, which I actually do like, I'm convinced that in the minds of studios fast monster = sped up action sequence. Though I actually think the 28 Day movies are worse for that.
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http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/jason-10kills/default.php
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Marcus is a really great shooter. He can make his days. Sometimes what he does on the set is make it feel very frenetic and crazy. I think that worked on this movie. Now, that's not always the best working environment, but not knowing exactly what's going to happen next... that makes the performances seem real.
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I'm not sure what you're arguing about there but I was not seriously comparing anything to BATMAN BEGINS, just making fun of the new cliche of saying every remake or sequel is "like BATMAN BEGINS." I thought these guys came close to saying it, but no dice. (see recent story about ROBOCOP.)
But I do have to disagree with what you're implying there about slasher movies. Yes, these remakes (especially the ones by this company) are usually terrible, but that doesn't mean there isn't validity to the genre. I believe slasher movies are like the blues, you don't have to be original in the structure and the basic components, but you have to play the song really well. You don't want to get too complicated (like that stupid Leslie Vernon movie) and you want to know how to play your instrument well (unlike that stupid Hatchet movie). But you put your own spin on the tradition riffs, you play them in your own style. HALLOWEEN is not all that original of a story but if it was a song then John Carpenter played the hell out of it. FRIDAY THE 13TH movies are not as high of quality but to me many of them are very enjoyable, an energetic execution of a traditional form of story that I enjoy. So sue me. Or machete me.
In conclusion, go ahead and insult these people as much as you want but don't write off the entire genre. In fact if you're saying you don't like these types of movies due to their "no story" I'm not sure why you give a shit about the remakes. What business is it of yours? -
Hodder is such a bitch about the Jason character, you'd think that he lost his newborn son when he didn't get the role in Freddy vs Jason. Which by the way, was fine with the fucking dude they had. Kane probably would've walked off the set if the climax wasn't Voorhees winning, since he's such a mark.
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Stop pandering to these schmucks (the "remake" producers). Their forfeiture of insight, regarding the horror genre, is painfully obvious ("...duh, THE BIRDS will be based on the short story." AND???) Yeah, HATCHET was stupid...but it was a helluva lot more entertaining than Zombie's indulgences. And, in all likelihood, HATCHET--organized by a legion of horror aficionados--will blow-away the FRIDAY remake. About your "blues" analogy, Stuart Gordon appended panache to a generic story and came-up with RE-ANIMATOR. But the stooges behind the FRIDAY (remake) would prefer to pass the hat ($$$) in lieu of playing good music.
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yep, i kinda dug the new blood more so than jason lives and part one. jason has never looked freakier in the series (exposed ribcage and all...., and the whole gene grey vs jason thing was pretty fun. i found jason lives to be too much of a parody, with all the winking at the camera. it is still enjoyable though. the first one ranks so low for me because, well... there is no jason. add to that the ridiculous fight scene between whats her face and mrs voorhees at the end (i laugh every time)and yeah.... its lower down the list for me. its almost a prequel to the jason series, where it should have been a stand alone movie... now its the one you have to watch to explain the jason movies.
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i am glad i am not the only one who has been thinking fast and slow zombies together. i like your idea for the old ones who's eyes have rotted away, but haven't zombies always reacted to sound more than anything? had they not heard the survivors in NOTLD boarding up the cabin, there never would have been enough of them at the cabin to force the doors and windows and break in. i think blind zombies would be creepy. you think it doesnt notice you so you try to sneak by... and then a floorboard creaks.....
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you hated Hatchet and Leslie Vernon?
Hatchet had some of the most awesome kills in any slasher flick and a really scary killer. it used the comedy bits to put the audience at ease, then it hit them with balls out jump scares and gnarly kills. it is one of those movies you watch with a whole group of friends and its a total blast. it was never meant to be a serious "horror" movie like halloween. Leslie Vernon is a mocumentary about an aspiring serial killer. it is also meant to be more comedy. that would be like comparing NOTLD to Fido.... -
Like many have said before. Jason always ran from parts 2 and 4. He stopped running in 6. But remember he speed walked in certain scenes in 7. Then most here cry about him not being the real Jason because he's running again? Dummies. Best of all, I love how he is the beloved Zombie Jason in Part 7, with an exposed spine and decaying body, yet he has the ability to SUPERJUMP through a kitchen window in an attempt to kill Tina. He's not supposed to run, but SUPERJUMPING is allowed? Please. You guys are funny.I love mostly all of the original films (except for Jason X) and I am the 1st to admit they are far from perfect and an acquired taste. But I grew up watching them, and have seen every Friday the 13th movie in the theater since Jason Lives. But even I can tell you they are a shitty vice that I love. And a remake is not offensive to me at all Why are people making these movies out to be something grander when EACH AND EVERY SEQUEL WAS A FUCKING REBOOT/REMAKE of the original? This movie looks better than the fans deserve. And probably better than all of the crappy sequels we endured since Manhattan.Also Jason's shack was featured at the end of part 2. So why the whole shock that Jason could have a house?
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But remember he speed walked in certain scenes in 7. It should have read "in 6". There is one quick scene of him power walking through the woods. I forget if it was before he killed the paintballers or after.
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"Halloween" was and still is, simple, well shot, scary, and overall an effective slasher film. You don't know why Michael is killing people. And it's scary that he watches his victims for a while before he goes in for the attack. It's just a brilliant slasher movie. The remake was stupidity though. That's one remake I couldn't get down with and I even enjoyed the TCM remake more than Halloween 07. Mainly because the TCM remake was really like a TCM Part 5 to me. A slick, good looking sequel that had effective kills. Zombie on the other hand made a lazy film with white trash cliches, an incredibly stupid backstory, and he crammed the brilliant original movie into 40 minutes and made it ridiculous. You don't care if he kills Laurie because you meet her as a teen about 45 minutes into the movie. This Friday the 13th remake movie looks truer to the Friday source material.
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