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Harry has a brief chat with Steven Lisberger (TRON) Regarding TR2N!!!
Hey folks, Harry here - and I'm about as happy as humanly possible. TRON is just about my favorite personal childhood movie. I love it for about every frame that flashes before my eyes, every sound effect and score second. And when Merrick posted that story with details from Jim Hill's piece on TR2N that Steven Lisberger was not involved in this new iteration of TRON... well, my soul grew a little, ever so slightly cold to the project. But because I love TRON so much I was consoling myself with the knowledge that hopefully - the creative forces behind the film were respecting and honoring the fantastic vision of the life and soul we embed into our programs and the world in which they co-exist. Basically, I just didn't want to let go of the enthusiasm that the TR2N crappy pirated footage had given me. As I have compulsively rewatched it, and then heard from friends EVERYWHERE, that they were rewatching it endlessly... Man. This sort of tingly geekgasm isn't often found in our geeky little existence. Well... As I was checking email this afternoon, at 1:18pm - I saw a subject line: Tr2n/Lisberger. I glanced at the "From:" and it said, STEVEN LISBERGER!!! GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK! I click on the email and read:
Hey Harry- Jim Hill’s piece on Tr2n sounds very dramatic but actually we are trying to put all the drama into the script. I can assure you I am very much involved with Tr2n. It’s a collaborative effort just like the first film was. We have a very talented and dedicated young group and I am doing my best to inspire them as much as they are inspiring me. The trailer, as amazing as it is, is only the beginning. All the best, Steven Lisberger
The email also contained his home and cell numbers... It only took about 22 seconds for me to realize I could call those numbers and speak to the man that created TRON and the world he lived in. I'm sad to say that I didn't actually think about what I was going to say - It was more or less just a compulsive need to learn more. To talk to one of the guys that absolutely affected my noodles in a very geeky way. Of course, I rang him at lunch with his wife, so we will pick up the conversation some time this weekend. But I did say that I wanted to clarify what his capacity was on TR2N and his response was:
My capacity is to be the best creative force I can be on the project and a mentor - which is my job as Producer.
And when I asked him about the work he's done developing a second TRON movie over the past few years and his screenplay, he commented that the development that he's headed up over the past 5 to 7 years has directly led to where the project is today, that it helped to breed the excitement with which the project is being pursued. I then let him go back to lunch with his lovely wife, and we'll pick up this conversation some time this weekend, but I wanted to let all you programs out there to gain the knowledge that Lisberger is Producing and is creatively involved in TR2N!
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As I was in 1982.
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Aug. 1, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST
Put Vin Diesel in as a user with a light cycle
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
and you have the next Fast and the Furious movie.
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Thanks Harry, i was a smidge bit worried about this myself and its good to hear that he's still invovled. the first movie has enough flaws that i'm glad there are more people invovled, but it just wouldn't have been right if they pushed Lisberger out after all he's done at this point.
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This is great news.I too was disappointed to hear lisberger wasn't involved.This just reenforces my faith that this will be done right.
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one of your better moments Harry
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I was in middle school, and asked this cute girl who was sort of a friend if she wanted to see it with me. She said no. I remember that rejection that has scarred me to this day. Was I took much of a geek then? If you look at me today the answer is a definite...wait, I'm posting on AICN er um nevermind.
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make it stop!
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but then, I also loved Heartbeeps, so what the hell did I know. Bring on Tr2n!
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Even with the story problems of the first film, it would be nothing without the tremendous amounts of creativity and imagination on display due in no small part to Mr. Lisberger. This is a wise move on Disney's part.
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"...be the best creative force I can be, which is my job as a producer." Which means you'll turn in a few script notes that the writers will laugh at and discard.<p>He's taking the high road and not screaming sour grapes, but really, a creative force in the midst of other writers and producers? I think not.
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Scott Baio + 12 year old girls = awesome date movie. <p>A formula, by the way, I still stand by today.
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You forgot Thir13en Ghosts and the upcoming The De2cent.
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You forgot 2 Fast 2 Furious!!! They will probably name the next one 3 Fast and 3 Furious, where "Three" is close to "The". Clever, huh? But putting the 2 in Tr2n makes no fu**ing sense. This is retarded.
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Ahaa! That made me laugh. (because I also secretly love Heartbeeps)
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Aug. 1, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST
Once again, Law and Order were returned to the Intertubes...
by FlickaPoo
...and all was well.
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There was something involving 5ive somehwere, but I forget...
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This is an effort to make it seem like a nice, family collaboration rather than a creative rift to avoid panic and loss of momentum from fans which was gained from the Comic con footage.
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That's was TR2N sounds like to me. It's a very silly way to spell it.
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Damn wife must have sold my Tron DVD at one of our many garage sales. Just got the delivery yesterday. I'll be watching this weekend. And good news regarding Lesberger!
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My typos makes "TR2N" look great!
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Dunno how many of you bought and played the Tron 2.o game, which was for a while, the closest we thought we were going to get to revisit the Tron world. If you haven't, get it. It's fantastic, totally Tron. I just wish you could drive a tank and a recogniser.
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I too LOVE TRON and am really, REALLY looking forward to TR2N, regardless of the fact it should be written thusly -- T2ON, since the 2 looks much more like an R than a O.
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The 2 looks more like an R than an O.
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You forget L4YER CAKE--with the E in "cake" looking like a backwards 3. At least the others kind of make sense--why the fuck does "Layer Cake" need a 4 in it?
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I just love those disney flicks. They don't make them anymore...
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Tron 2 - who'd have thunk it?
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David Warner was great as the bad guy. He has the one of the coolest voices.
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You should ask him about the Tron "sequel" videogame that came out a few years back, and if he heard of it or had input or anything. Was a pretty sweet game actually, I suggest that everybody check it out.
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ahem.
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Brilliant news, I'm overjoyed to hear Steven is involved.
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He's the director of the TR2N clip shown at Comic Con and he's also the guy who directed the "Starry Night" Halo 3 ad as well as the "Mad World" Gears of War ad. The thing that makes me jealous is that he's only 26 years old. This guy is going to be huge.
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Actually the TR2N logo works surprisingly well, due to the font of the movie logo.
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cool article - looks like Fincher encouraged him to move out to LA.
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Was geting a bit worried about the idea of TRON without Lisberger. Would be like Indy without Spielberg, or Star Wars without Jar Jar. Oh wait, no - that'd be a good thing. But you get my drift. If you look back on the DVD at the making of TRON, you see how much TRON was his project. Glad to see it still is...
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But this needs to be an event film...Steven Lisberger, not withstanding, they need to push the limits of 3-D here and make it something revolutionary in respect to film what the original Tron was in terms of pushing computer graphics. If they go 2-D route with this film, who cares??? Add to that, Brad Bird playing the role of director would have all eyes in the industry on this film!!! As well, I'm a Whedonite, Joss Whedon knows how to build a character, deliver clever dialogue, smart character motivations, and create a conflict and story arc therein. He is king of the sucker punch story arc and character arc. Tron is a set-up film, but lacked an emotional core. Tron 2 must be its Empire Strikes Back to work...and that's where someone like Whedon would come in and give us reason to root for the characters, care for them, love them, watch them die at great sacrifice...and watch them become triumpant against all odds and against great evil.<BR><BR>I was never one to adore the tv show Lost because the creators of the show constantly present conflicts and story arcs that they never resolve...and the same was true of Alias...and when they were finally forced to on the latter show, due to the series wrap-up, it was a stunning and lazy minded mess. This constant bait and switch is frustrating and ultimately hurt both shows--hence the reason for my valid concerns regarding Lost writers being brought into this project to write the Tron 2 script.<BR><BR>Joss Whedon is a master at presenting a story arc and resolving it, guns blazing, leaving your mouth, dropped open and eyes agape. That is what the Tron sequel needs, something to give it weight...and make it an event beyond just visual spectacle...and Brad Bird and Joss Whedon can deliver that. We need a cerebral, emotional, adventurous and dark experience to propel this film into franchise territory--yes, somehow they have to figure out how to give us a "Luke I am your Father moment" whatever that may be??? A high concept popcorn film is fine, but in a sea of high concept popcorn films, as is typical of Hollywood release schedules these days, Tron 2 can be easily "Lost", ironically, amid the competition unless there is something more for audiences to rest their hats on besides slick computer graphics and gamer geek talk...but I digress.<BR><BR> As for the folks at Lost, they seem to stay away from story resolutions as it doesn't appear that they have any idea of what direction to go in, other than to constantly mislead the audience and press into believing they have a pre-determined course and destination...that simply doesn't exist and never did. That's why I love Whedon, he'll give you weeks or months of a story arc, resolve it...and create another one...and another one, etc., constantly besting himself and growing the overall story...and myth of his characters. Look how fast he established the Operative in Serenity as the ultimate bad ass since Darth Vader, within seconds of his introduction...or how he took Dr. Horrible from being a fun loving nerd, to a seriously commited threat, within less than a few minutes in the final segment. The change in character was so sudden and ruthless, it was a reverse play on Janet Lee being killed in Psycho. You establish the character, make people care for her, as your lead, give you, the audience, a stake in her life, make you root for her, and then kill her off unexpectedly. Well, with Dr. Horrible, they established our lead, made us laugh with him, made us care about him, and love him even, and then unexpectedly, he was made him hard and cold on a dime...with good reason. That was shocking to see, and it is moments like that, that this new Tron film needs.
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But this needs to be an event film...Steven Lisberger, not withstanding, they need to push the limits of 3-D here and make it something revolutionary in respect to film what the original Tron was in terms of pushing computer graphics. If they go the 2-D route with this film, who cares??? Add to that, Brad Bird playing the role of director would have all eyes in the industry on this film!!! As well, I'm a Whedonite, Joss Whedon knows how to build a character, tear him/her down, deliver clever dialogue, smart character motivations, and create a conflict and story arc therein. He is king of the sucker punch story arc and character arc. Tron is a set-up film, but little else, as it lacked an emotional core to build on. Tron 2 must be its Empire Strikes Back to work...and that's where someone like Whedon would come in and give us reason to root for the characters, care for them, love them, watch them die at great sacrifice...and watch them become triumpant against all odds and against great evil.<BR><BR> I was never one to adore the tv show Lost because the creators of the show constantly present conflicts and story arcs that they never resolve...and the same was true of Alias...and when they were finally forced to do just that, resolve conflicts and the story arc, on the latter show, due to the series wrap-up, it was a stunningly bad and lazy minded mess. This constant bait and switch is frustrating and ultimately hurt both shows--hence the reason for my valid concerns regarding Lost writers being brought into this project to write the Tron 2 script.<BR><BR> Joss Whedon is a master at presenting a story arc and resolving it, guns blazing, leaving your mouth, dropped open and eyes agape. That is what the Tron sequel needs, something to give it weight...and make it an event beyond just visual spectacle...and Brad Bird and Joss Whedon can deliver that. We need a cerebral, emotional, adventurous and dark experience to propel this film into franchise territory--yes, somehow they have to figure out how to give us a "Luke I am your Father" moment, whatever that may be??? A high concept popcorn film is fine, but in a sea of high concept popcorn films, as is typical of Hollywood release schedules these days, Tron 2 can be easily "Lost", ironically, amid the competition unless there is something more for audiences to rest their hats on besides slick computer graphics and gamer geek talk...but I digress.<BR><BR> As for the folks at Lost, they seem to stay away from story resolutions as it doesn't appear that they have any idea of what direction to go in, other than to constantly mislead the audience and media into believing that they have a pre-determined course and destination. However, I believe, judging from what I have seen of the show, that such a path...simply doesn't exist and never did. That's why I love Whedon, he'll give you weeks or months of a story arc(on his shows), resolve it...and create another one...and another one, etc., constantly besting himself and growing the overall story...and myth of his characters. Look how fast he established the Operative in Serenity as the ultimate bad ass since Darth Vader, within seconds of his onscreen introduction...or how he took Dr. Horrible from being a fun loving nerd, to a seriously commited threat, within less than a few minutes in the final segment. The change in character was so sudden and ruthless, it was a reverse play on Janet Lee being killed in Psycho. You establish the character, make people care for her, as your lead, then gives you, the audience, a stake in her life, make you root for her, and then kill her off unexpectedly. Well, with Dr. Horrible, they established our lead, made us laugh with him, made us care about him, and love him even as a friend, and then unexpectedly, he was made hard and cold on a dime...with good reason. That was shocking to see, and it is moments like that, that this new Tron film needs.
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...all I could think of.
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For me, the anticipation for this movie is just like before the first Star Wars prequel came out. STEVE LISBERGER--don't succomb to George Lucas-itis! Make this new Tron world as badass as the old one was! I cannot wait for this flick!!!!!
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There was already a Fast and the Furious 3. It's called "The Fast and The Furious: Tokyo Drift." The forth is coming up, called "Fast and Furious". I always thought the third would be called "3X Faster and More Furious". Just as ridiculous as the other titles.
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THE TRON 2 COMIC CON TRAILER WAS FREAKING AMAZING!! WHENEVER I SHOW IT TO SOMEONE THEY GO CRAZY FOR IT! AND HALF OF THE PEOPLE I'VE SHOWED IT TO NEVER SAW THE FIRST ONE! Matter of fact, most the people I showed it to weren't even born when the original one came out! Dah! I'm old!!!!! So Disney....non gamers and young people who never saw the original Tron are going ape crazy over the TRON 2 trailer!! If Disney is spending money on a "Witch Mountain" sequel.....then they better give Tron 2 the budget it deserves. Dah, the money they'll be making in merchandise alone is mind boggling.
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That was the funniest thing anybody could have come up with. Just letting you know.
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There's been a special significance for this film in my life ever since, because this was the movie that first introduced me to the convenience of "watch whenever you want". My best friend (at whose house I watched it at) and I used to wonder about what a sequel would be like. Ever since this past weekend, we've already made plans to see TR2N together. It'll be just like old times. Can't wait to see this!
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The "R' and "2" are reverses of each other--it is a good design.<p> But, it is called "Tron2"<p> Just an FYI.
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Tron is also a childhood fave for me. Cant wait to see the sequel!
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lisberger is a genius - im glad to hear he is pumped for this
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among geeks - well they are to me anyway, flawed as they are
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i dont doubt his talent - but it is funny how today to be a "film maker" all that is required is a flashy reel consisting of tv ads full of computer generated imagery - its about much more than making some cool looking 3D stuff - or maybe not
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I warned you Jim Hill Media is a worthless source.
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IF YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IT IS TEH SHIT THEN POST A FUCKING LINK ASSHOLE!
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http://tinyurl.com/5scpr9 Complete with David Warner AND Jeff Bridges. Looks schweet!
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...of Speed Race, would it have bombed?
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I'll be pronouncing it like it rhymes with "Platoon". I'm also looking forward to RAC3 TO WITCH MOUNTAIN and THE FAST AND THE 4IOUS. This weekend, I'll probably go see HE][BOY.
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and I loved sci-fi films...it was just empty with no story or intesting characters.
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1. It was a proof of concept. Not just for the audience, but for any talent they'd need to shop around for. (like conceptual artists, designers, etc.) <p> 2. It wanted to float the balloon to see what the initial audience reaction was, and how much buzz would develop on the internet. <p> Mission accomplished. This thing is going to be greenlit, it will probably find its way into theatres summer 2010 or 2011. And it will be huge. Especially if they release it in 3D.
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I don't think anything in that e-mail contradicts the article. Steve isn't the director. It won't be his script. He is only a producer on it. Sounds to me that he's confirming what Hill wrote.
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Unless they get the guy who created Buffy to write and direct it. Just saying is all
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Dudes, chill. It;s obvious the movie will be known as Tron 2. Having the two come up first and the rest of the letters filling in around it was just a cool little way of saying TRON 2. Let's just all agree to call the flick Tron 2. BTW I saw the first one for the first time the other day and I think that movie rocks. I thought it would be boring but it wasn't.
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All of you who think otherwise are soulless, unimaginative fucks. So say I.
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Whose only other directorial debuts were the unforgettable "Hot Pursuit" starring John Cusack and the craptastic "Slipstream"? Well, at least they show that "Tron" wasn't a fluke.
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Don't put "Tron" in the same league as "The Beastmaster"! That's an insult to Marc Singer and Tanya Roberts!
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Joss Whedon does know how to give a project dramatic weight. Those guys on Lost??? They never made me want to cry for a character, fall in love with, or in like with them, or even feel too badly for most of them, or happy for them, for that matter...but Joss has the knack for it. Every character that he writes seems to be a new avenue to allow audiences a vicarious entry point into the onscreen proceedings. Establishing that audience involvement creates the necessary emotional bonding that makes the public cheer outloud during the action on screen and while watching the interaction of the characters, prompting them to clap, laugh, feel tension, fear and protectiveness for said characters...and once you have that, the ability to move the audience, you have created a successful drama. From there, it's up to the studio marketing machine to take that and prompt the public at large to invest their time and money to see it--something that good critical reviews and word of mouth can only assist in accomplishing.
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I'll go.
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Really glad to hear Lisberger is very much involved in the creative process. now to find that Tron 2 footage as I missed it when it was on the site.
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Great work, Steven! You and your team really did groundbreaking, stunning, amazing and simply beautiful stuff! Thank you so much!!!<p>I really hope that TR2N will be brilliant, too!
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Because 2 begins with T .... <br><br>
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The reason girls can like such things these days is because, back in the early 80's, their dads used to spend some of their quality time with them in front of the TV forcing them to watch the likes of Tron and other 80's nerd fests. <br><br> Any girl who had that will, like anyone else, find Tron nostaligic and as part of their childhood. The world seems to get nerdier with each generation.
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Bill Paxton: "Who the hell are you?", Mark Hamill: "The law!!" Genius.
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is where they could have the premier. I like 2R0N.
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Come on guys and girls, how blind you all are? Number two is clearly made of O from original TRON. i bet the title will be animated at the beginning of the movie: it will show TRON, then split it with half horizontally and the lower part of O will change to this shape to make TR2N, or something similiar. You really didn't noticed that? The CC footage shows 2 first, because only the number for a moment and then the title coming around it makes chills and brings our fucking geekasms :)
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you guys seem so sure this title will stick but I'd bet against it.
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it's not some bullshit producing credit, like McT on Die Hard 4; Burton on Batman Forever or Stan Lee on... well, everything Marvel these days. I truly hope TR2N is conform to his vision and delivers big time. Fingers crossed.
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that it should be T2on not Tr2n....seems to me a 2 looks more like an R the an O. Dontcha Think? Seems obvious to me...
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God, that's fucking obnoxious.
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Of all the fucking things in the world to bitch and complain about, you choose this? Go do something more productive, like pounding your tiny puds. Goodbye.
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Typically such long gaps between movies have disastrous results, part because of actual quality, and the other because of the extreme anticipation of waiting for it. I also hope it is not based on the terrible PC game of about 5 years ago...
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This way it sounds almost like a spoiled brat angrily demanding to go see it. <p>"I WANT to go see TooRAWN, MAWM!!!"
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A GREAT TIME!
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Where were you to soothe my crushed spirit back then M-o-M? Oh the irony of your screen name.
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what a concept - and a grizzly mark hamill as a bounty hunter - i like that movie - with a decent budget and real studio support it couldve been great
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And then...you said nothing in your post about her??? Just her name in the heading and that's it???
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He's going to stick that frisbee up your third point of contact for dissin him.
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I missed seeing the TR2N trailer that has been raved about on this talkback. I scanned the talkback, but no one has given a link to it. Please provide a link so I can check out what has people so excited. I tried youtube, but the only links go to a sick and twisted pathetic attention starved twit named Rick. Help! Thanks!
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the acting, writing and direction in "star wars" (1977) was no better or worse than that of "tron" - apples and oranges
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...was he digitally inserted using footage of him from other movies - i saw it and cant tell - his youthful appearance as clue (the cyclist) was an insert im sure - but his older bearded appearance, did he agree to shoot that or was that taken from something else - too bad that bootleg video is so bad - the scene itself is awesome
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...you need to be eviscerated.<p> Didn't this come out already this year by those hack brothers who did Matrix?
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Actually it's officially just called "Tron 2". It only reads like "TR2N" in the font, because if you've seen the font...the number "2" also stands in for the letter "o". It's an trick of the eye, it's actually quite a clever illusion and I hope they stick with it in actual marketing of the film. Most thinking people was able to figure it out just by looking at it. Btw....I want to see a big budget sequel to "Megaforce"! haha! "The good guys always win....even in the 80s". Btw again.....how come there weren't any nerd girls back in the 80s dammit! The nerd girls today are cute! I'm guessing part of it has to do with anime(cartoons) and manga(comics). Back then most teenage girls and girls didn't watch cartoons or read comics, now they do...in the form of anime and manga (which are just the japanese words for cartoons and comics). And the girls freaking collect toys today too! (mostly anime related toys though). But, alot of girls I know now actually are heavily into sci-fi,fantasy, etc type films too! The ones I know are big star wars and Lord of the rings fans! The young guys nowadays don't know how lucky they are to have girls that are into all those type of "nerd type" stuff. Dam you 1980s and early 90s!
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Because people are getting wise to the sequel game, so they just give them different titles.
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Sly didn't use it, and it's such a good title to waste.
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How can this movie be done right without it being done wrong?
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Th3 0r1g1n4l w4s p3rf3ct y m3ss w1th 1t?
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J4W5 B3G1N5
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That would be so, like, rad!
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That's a great +! Well, let's hope, that the Second Movie get's about as good as the first one did. BTW, my older brother mistook the second Movie to be called TRON 2.0, so i had to lecture him, that TRON2.0 was a PC-Game, that i happened to buy along with the TRON2.0 Bonus-Frisbee(still having both, but it's not really designed to look like in the Movie or the Game: Neon-Yellow, with TRON2.0-Boxart and an ingame Lightcycle on the Paper under Transparent-white Plastic in the middle).
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Julie Newmar. She could have a cameo in the end as Mrs. MCP.
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Really geek it up something special.
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I've loved you for 1 trillion billion jillion milliseconds!!
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or was it Uri? Whatever happened to her? Anyway, might be good to put Megan Fox in one of those outfits. The original Tron had some great ideas, if you think about it, basically the premise for the Matrix and Terminator films. The MCP even mentions infiltrating the Pentagon and the Kremlin to the shock of even the unethical Dillinger. Clearly this could be taken to another level, along with the laser technology that can break down and store molecules...But that was the reach with Tron, even as far fetched as Artificial Intelligence reaching that level, the fact that a universe existed within the digital world with digital people that looked like their programmers, or 'users' is a little extreme even for science fiction. The Matrix had a higher level of reality, considering people spend countless hours on the internet or on their game systems these days in a virtual world, almost replacing their real lives. The super smart computers needing to keep us around at all was where that premise was weak. Terminator seems to take the most realistic route, again, if such high artificial intelligence is even really possible.
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Ok, so we've got Lisberger and Bridges. Now all we need are the original composer back on board, with an appearance by DAVID WARNER!!!! David Warner makes even the worst films more enjoyable and makes the good films even better!
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Aug. 5, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST
What ever happend to "The Last Starfighter" prequel...
by Kentucky Colonel
The Next To The Last Starfighter?
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I want a sequel to the Last Starfighter! Get the same actors! Give Alex Rogan a hot teenage daughter and make her a starfighter! btw.....Bruce Boxwhatshisname needs to be in the new Tron film.
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Fuckin' rules. I hate people who dump on that movie. The special effects were ahead of their time, Centauri fuckin onwed, and I felt like most of the acting and pacing was right on target. Of course it helps when you see it as a 9 year old first. I think a sequel would hit a lot of nostalgic notes and might succeed if tried.
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Tron was awesome since it was revolutionary but the soundtrack was perfect for that film. Way beyond it's time.
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How about a remake of The Wraith with Charlie Sheen,Night of the Comet,Last Starfighter, The Thing sequel would be a sure money maker as would Big Trouble in Little China. Repoman, Spacehunter in the Forbidden Zone, MetalStorm:The Destruction of Jared Synn, Ice Pirates, Battle Beyond the Stars, The Hidden and more.
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That REALLY IS COOL news.
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Sept. 8, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST
Because Jessica Chobot is friends with Steven Lisberger
by Orionsangels
They were recently working on a project together.
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