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Kevin Smith Chats about ZACK AND MIRI and Amateur Porn with Capone!!

Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here. It seems almost pointless to try and give details on any panel Kevin Smith is a part of. Unless you can actually see it and hear it, it's just not as funny having me describe it (I think the two EVENING WITH KEVIN SMITH DVD sets make my point for me). It's so free form and so dependent on the questions from the audience. That being said, the panel for ZAK AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO was fucking hilarious due in large part to Kevin having a couple new playmates to bounce funny shit off of, in particular Seth Rogen and Justin Long. From what little Smith said about the film's plot, it involves two best friends (played by Rogen and Elizabeth Banks), who both find themselves broke in these trying times and decide the best way to make a little cash is to make an amateur adult movie. I'm sure the film goes other places but that's where it begins. Smith showed an extended clip from ZAK AND MIRI that was prefaced by some really funny title cards from Kevin about no recording the clip and putting it up on YouTube. There was also a deliberate false-start clip of Rogen saying "Asses! Deep in asses!" followed by a quick glimpse of a beautiful bent over ass. The title cards returned, apologizing for putting up the wrong clip. When the clips finally got going, the setting was Miri's (Elizabeth Banks) 10-year high school reunion somewhere in or around Pittsburgh, at which she has decided to hit on the one guy from high school she had a crush on and try to sleep with him (we don't see his face immediately, for good reason). She's brought her best friend Zak (Rogen) along as her platonic date, and he's left at the bar talking to a stranger named Brandon (played by Long), wearing what appeared to be a velvet smoking jacket and using a deep voice that was just as velvety. The two guys start talking and commiserating about being at the reunion. Brad admits he's an actor, and Zak is duly impressed. "In fucking movies?" he asks. "Fucking movies, pretty much," Brad answers. "Anything I've seen?" "All sorts of movies with all-male casts." "Like GLENGARY GLEN ROSS?" "Like GLEN AND GARY SUCK ROSS'S MEATY COCK AND DROP THEIR HAIRY NUTS IN HIS EAGER MOUTH." "Was that a sequel?" "It's a re-imagining." "Oh, like THE WIZ." "More erotic and with less women. No women to be exact." At this point Rogen goes out on a limb. "I apologize in advance if I am out of line here, but are you in gay porn?" "Guilty as charged." "Are you fucking with me?" "I thought you recognized me at first. You're not my demographic, that's why I'm not insulted." "Who's your demographic?" "Do you love pussy?" "I do." "Then not you." The scene continues scene cuts to Banks awkwardly hitting on this tall, dark-haired man, who is revealed to be Brendan Routh (Superman in SUPERMAN RETURNS). For those who had been at the panel just before Kevin's, this was especially funny. It was an Entertainment Weekly panel that feature Smith, Judd Apatow, Zack Snyder, and a grumpy Frank Miller. During the Q&A, someone asked Kevin what he thought about SUPERMAN RETURNS, and his answer was that it wasn't gay enough, that there were all these opportunities to up the gay ante as it were that were missed. So to see Routh play a gay porn star's boyfriend just killed. But the scene is made perfect when Banks declares "I fuck a lot." I longed to hear her say those words. Zak brings Brandon over to Miri to stop her from embarrassing herself. In introducing Brandon, another one of his many porn titles dropped: YOU BETTER SHUT YOUR MOUTH OR I'M GOING TO FUCK IT. Miri is shattered, "You are fucking with me." Zak: "They're fucking with each other." Miri leaves to binge drink until she passes out. Zak is clearly curious about the gay lifestyle: "So you two suck each other's cocks?" "Like crazy," says Brandon. "You guys are totally in love, aren't you?" "Zachary, we are. I could just eat him up." "Save some for me!" "He does most of the eating in the sack, if you know what I mean." The scene concludes as Brandon and Brendon argue about Brendon's being in the closet and Brandon embarrassing himself in public. Brendon: "Maybe for one second in this God-forsaken town I could be myself. I'm so sorry. You're right, I should just butch up and pretend that I don't love it when you shove your dick in my mouth." Zak: "They fight just like real people." And the scene goes on. It's fantastic. After the panel, I got a chance to catch up with Kevin, who was in desperate need of multiple cigarettes after literally coming off about three straight hours of paneling. No need to preface this interview. You all know Kevin. He basted our Talkbackers in JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK, and that's all you care about. I'll have separate interviews with Seth Rogen and Elizabeth Banks COMING very soon (see, I can speak Porn as well). I found myself behind the screen in Hall H at Comic-Con and actually got to meet Traci Lords, who is also in the movie. The best line of the panel was after Traci Lords said that she was 15 when she started making adult films. I guess Kevin didn't realize this, and he responded, "You were 15? You're like the Miley Cyrus of porn." Despite AICN's long history and friendship with Kevin, this was actually the first time we'd ever met, which explains my first comment to him. Enjoy. Here's Kevin Smith… Kevin Smith: Hey, man. How are you? Capone: Good. And good to finally meet you. KS: Good to meet you. Capone: You've been busy today. KS: Today was a busy Con day for me. Yesterday too. I did two panels yesterday, and tomorrow I moderate "Battlestar Galactica." Capone: I'll try to get into that one [I failed]. I was talking to both Seth and Banks earlier about how ZACK AND MIRI seems to tackle two things in American culture that are incredibly prevalent and timely: amateur porn and the growing poverty situation. KS: [laughs] Yeah, thank God for the recession! Now the movie makes sense, because if we were having a very strong financial year, people would be like, "This could NEVER happen." Capone: Those fucking poor people. KS: Exactly. Now it's actually possible. Capone: Is that something that's really dealt with in the film? KS: Yeah, that's kind of the reason that they hatch the scheme. They're at wit's end and their means are insanely limited, so they cook up the scheme and that kicks our flick into motion at that point. Capone: You talked about how you seem to still have that reputation that you don't like going off script, but that's not really true anymore, is it? KS: It was definitely true with CLERKS and MALLRATS. CLERKS because that was the only way I knew how to do it. I was a rank amateur working with other rank amateurs. MALLRATS was just an extension of what we'd done the first time--it works, let's stick with it. And CHASING AMY was the last time I was really "Stick to the periods and the commas and shit." But after that, on DOGMA, you're working with people like Alan Rickman who's a brilliant fucking actor and can act circles around anything you could possibly say in the way of direction. So that dude, if he said, "I want to change this line; I want to say it this way." I was like, "Go nuts. You're fucking Alan Rickman." And then Chris Rock, anybody who is funnier than me--and there are lots of them among he people I get to work with. I would never tell Chris Rock, "You can't say that is this movie because it's too funny" just because it's not in the script. We've been kind of open ad-libbing, not nearly as much as Seth says they do with the Apatow stuff, but I'm not the guy who throws something out because I'm too proud. "I didn't write that, so it can't be in the movie." Capone: Speaking of DOGMA, you were one of the few directors to give George Carlin acting work later in his life. KS: JERSEY GIRL particularly, that was a really big part. I know a lot of people didn't see it, and a lot of people--particularly Ain't It Cool News in the Talkbacks--don't like it… Capone: I saw the screening in Chicago where you did the Q&A afterwards. KS: But Carlin was amazing in that movie, really really great. Carlin was a real student of acting and performance and treated it more seriously than anyone else I've ever worked with. He created backstory for his character and stuff like that, really did research, tried to get a dialect correct. He was really into performance, because everyone knew him as a stand-up, but he always wanted to act. So I felt good about the JERSEY GIRL thing because he actually got to show that he could totally pull off a role that wasn't typical George Carlin. You watch DOGMA, and that's very much George Carlin. But in JERSEY GIRL, he kind of got to play a real part. Capone: He's terrific in JERSEY GIRL. For the record, I gave the movie a good review. KS: Thank you, sir. Thanks you. You're one of the few. Capone: I remember that Q&A very well, because the film was PG-13, so there were quite a few teenage girls and their mothers in the audience, largely because of Jennifer Lopez being in the film. But then the Q&A started, and your foul mouth chased them right out. KS: Right, right. I can't go up there…I tend to treat the people who would go see our movies, the audience, as I would my friends. And if that's the way I speak to my friends, why wouldn't I speak to the audience that way? Capone: Talk about working with Seth and Elizabeth. They seem like the next great comedy super couple, who could just keep making movies together for years. KS: Totally. They are really wonderful together. That dude is probably the best actor I've ever worked with in my life. He's not just a funny dude. He pulls off dramatic stuff in this movie really well. And she is, by far, the best actress I've ever worked with in my life. She just elevated the whole thing, man. She brought real humanity to what could have been a very two-dimensional role. The two of them together are just really magical. The clip we showed, you don't really get to see much of their chemistry together, because it's one of the only moments in the movie where they're split up into different sections. But mostly they're in every scene together, and the were really wonderful together. The movie works because of their performances. Capone: In a lot of ways, she's an unsung comic actress. KS: I agree. Capone: Even in the clip you showed, she has this nervous giggle that she uses that is always makes me laugh. I remember being mesmerized by it in 40-YEAR-OLD VIRGIN. KS: Yes, yes. The scene in the clip that we showed, she took the simple line, "No, I'm really good. I've had a lot of experience," which could have played flat and hit the editing room floor. But she sold it, and that laugh of hers is just gold. She plays awkward really well. Capone: I love what you said about Seth and his style of ad libbing, that it's not just funny shit that you could never use other than on an outtakes reel. KS: Right. He's insanely gifted. With our stuff, he didn't so much improv as he did ad lib, just adding lines that weren't necessarily on the page, where he's really gifted. Any actor can do that, throw in their own lines and be funny doing it, but it's not usually germane to the discussion. They'll throw in lines and the crew gets a good laugh, because when you're shooting a scene, you hear the same dialogue over and over again. As soon as there's a slight variation, it's like "Oh, I haven't heard that; that's funny." But none of it tends to be very usable. Seth is very excellent at making any ad lib he throws out there absolutely usable. His key is to always make it usable. So when you have a guy who is ad libbing, saying things that sound like they're coming out of the character's mouth, it's germane to the discussion, it propels the scene forward, it doesn't stop it short, it's all adding to what gets you to the next beat. That's a true gift, and he's really good at it. He's a genius. He's the best I've ever seen in terms of an ad libber. Capone: You're last couple of films, even CLERK 2--and it sounds like ZACK AND MIRI as well--you've got these nice little romances going on here. What's going on there? KS: Even MALLRATS was the same thing. The backbone of that movie is about relationships, first between the boys and then between the boys and the girls. CHASING AMY is very much a romance. So I've always been a big fat--emphasis on fat--softy at heart, and that stuff kind of pops through. Capone: It feels like the older films are romances for guys, whereas the more recent material seems suited to both sexes. KS: Right on. Think about it: half the population out there are women, which means a good portion of your audience are going to have a lot of women in it. I think it's nice to have stuff in there for them as well as the guys. Capone: There was a nice balance of men and women in your audience tonight. KS: That's good to see. Capone: I caught FANBOYS last night. KS: Oh, how is it? Capone: Pretty good. You're in it with Jason Mewes. KS: Am I still in the cut? Capone: I think this is THE cut, too, the one that will open in theaters. KS: Man, we shot that so long ago, and I've never even seen the scene. Capone: Was there not a time when you were going to play Harry Knowles? KS: At one point, yeah, they wanted me play Harry, but I couldn't get out there in time to do it because we were working on something else. Capone: With all the time that's past, you probably could have come back and done it at a later date. KS: I know. At one point, there was a discussion, they were talking about reshooting. And I said, "If you guys want to reshoot the Harry scene." But somebody had already done it. Capone: You know Ethan is playing him now, right? KS: Ethan Suplee plays Harry? That's even better. He's a much more talented cat than I am. Capone: I've seen a different version where it's a different guy. KS: Right right. I think he was some local guy. Capone: Ethan has this generic Southern accent that Harry just doesn't have, but that makes it even funnier to me. Tell me about where you are with RED STATE. KS: RED STATE, the Weinstein Company didn't want to do it, didn't want to finance it, which is the first flick we ever gave them that they didn't want to finance. They were like, "We don't get it." It's not strictly a horror film. It's not an easy film to market. And it's a challenging film, it's a little different. Capone: All I've heard about it is that it deals with fundamentalism. KS: Yeah, yeah. So they passed on it, and I got it back. And then we went on to ZACK AND MIRI, so I hadn't thought about it for a while. But once we got into post on ZACK AND MIRI, then I started getting back to work in terms of finding the money for RED STATE, and I think we're getting very close to securing some independent financing for it. Capone: Okay good. I'm hearing that you've currently got an NC-17 rating for ZACK AND MIRI from the MPAA after a couple of submission, and now you're entering the appeal process. Where are you with that? KS: I've seen some reports on it that make it out to be something more than it is. It's just a simple case of …every time you make an R-rated comedy, chances are you're going to butt up against what's acceptable. So we knew going in chances were that they were going to flag he movie; it's got the word PORNO in the title. So I submitted first cut--one hour, 45 minutes. And they said "This is NC-17," and they gave me two specific areas to look at. I said okay, so I cut 12 minutes out of the movies, and that was after our first test screening, so most of that was stuff that was flat anyway, so I took that out. In that cut, we addressed their issues as well. We resubmitted it, and they said, "Well, you're close but there are these two moments that you should focus on in terms of length." One they wanted out completely--a 14-frame shot that they were like, "This can't make it." It wasn't even a second long. And they were like, "Maybe you can work with the sounds in it or something." So I did trims in the other section; there was a lot of thrusting they wanted taking out, and then the other section I worked with the sound, but left the shot in--it's 14 frames, it's not even a second! Let it run. They still said it was NC-17. I wasn't frustrated, I wasn't mad, I was just like "I feel like I've gone as far as I'm comfortable going; let's take it to the next stage," which is the appeals part of the process. I've been through the appeals process before, once on CLERKS, where we got an NC-17, had an appeal screening, got it overturned to an R. And once on JERSEY GIRL, they gave us an R rating, and we tried working with them in terms of the cuts, but they felt that this conversation between Ben [Affleck] and Liv [Tyler] in the diner about masturbation, which was a really clinical conversation about it, was just beyond the pale for them. They felt it pushed into R-rated territory, which I found strange. So we said, let's take it to the appeal part, had the appeals screening, did our dog-and-pony show where you get up and make your defense for the film, and the MPAA talked about why they feel it's R. And they overturned that one without us having to make a cut. So that's basically what we're doing here. It's not like it's some great fight against censorship. I haven't blogged about it, I'm not out there screaming "Oh my God, they're violating my fucking civil liberties or my rights as an artist." It's just part of the process. And on August 4, we'll screen again, I'll show it to the appeals committee, I'll get to make my case and cite precedent as to "These movies have done something similar." Capone: I'd heard that you were in the process of gathering your supporting material. KS: We had to put together the examples. Because they used to not let you cite precedent; now you can. So we'll do that, and the MPAA will make its case for why they think it is NC-17. And then the appeals committee will decide. You have to win by two-thirds majority, or something like that. But the simple fact is that if it doesn't get the rating, if they still maintain an NC-17, then I've got to go in and take the notes, because contractually I have to deliver an R. An honestly, even if they were like, "Hey man, you can go out as an NC-17," I just feel like it would set the movies up for disappointment because I don't feel that it's truly earned an NC-17. It feels like a hard R to me, but if I was going to see an NC-17 movie, I'd want to see something that I couldn't see in an R-rated movie. But there's nothing in this movie that I feel like is any further beyond he pale than I've seen in any other R-rated movie, even any other R-rated movie that we've done. But you know, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. With CLERKS II, I sweated that movie going to the MPAA because the donkey-fucking scene is going to get us an NC-17, and it didn't. We submitted it, they gave it an R, and that was that. We got lucky then; this time, we didn't get so lucky. Hopefully we'll get the overturn, but if not, I'll go in and trim until we get the R. Capone: When Seth Rogen says he's been watching your films since high school, does that make you feel like the elder statesman? KS: Just old. I feel like, wow, I've been doing this for a while. And then I stop and realize I've been doing it for 15 years. We made CLERKS in 1993, so this is my 15th year of doing it. You're bound to meet people who were young when they saw the first one. It's kind of cool, it's kind of nice. Capone: I remember seeing CLERKS at the Chicago Film Festival that year and no knowing shit about it. But the description in the program said it looked like it was shot with security cameras, and I thought that sounded cool. KS: Thank God somebody said that first because it was a great sentiment to have in front of the movie before people saw it because the kind of expected to see something looking shitty [laughs]. But at the same time, and I said it during the panel too, after you read all the reviews on the first movie--it doesn't look good, but, man, is it entertaining--I was like, man that's what I'll do my whole life. I will never try visually, and I'll just keep making funny movies. But after 15 years, I'm at a place where I'm like, "I'm going to try and improve my craft as a visual storyteller. Capone: You mentioned during the panel that ZACK AND MIRI looked better. What did you mean by that? KS: I think Dave [Klein, cinematographer] and I found a perfect groove on CLERKS II. I thought that movie was visually interesting, more visually interesting than anything I've done. And when I say "bring up my craft," I mean essentially bring it up to "adequate," something that most people would consider, "Yeah, that's what it's supposed to look like, asshole." We did it when we shot the pilot for "Reaper," which we did with Dave as well. And we're actually proud of the way that looks. Capone: I dig that show. I can't exactly tell you why, but I've seen every episode. KS: It's a totally watchable show. So going into ZACK AND MIRI, it was the first time Dave actually had a big budget to work with; I think the biggest budget he'd had up to that point was the $6 million he had on MALLRATS, which he didn't even have the whole $6 million, that was just the budget of the movie. But this time, we've got a $24 million movie. It doesn't mean you get any more equipment; it just means you get time. So we were shooting five-day weeks, and since it's not a micro-budget, we can take our time and he can take his time setting up shots, setting up his lighting. And the results is a really good-looking flick. Capone: The R-rated comedy has become fashionable to audiences and studios, and now that you've made one that's not a Jay and Silent Bob story, are you thinking in the back of your head, "This might be the one that just breaks all the records?" KS: I'll be honest. We've got Seth Rogen, and that's the biggest gun in our arsenal right now, because it looks like PINEAPPLE EXPRESS is going to do well. Seth Rogen has become a major movie star, major comedy movie star, so that's what we got going for us. I don't think that the movie is any better or worse than CLERKS II in terms of the story we've told or the jokes that we're telling. So really everything hinges on Seth's popularity. Capone: With the Apatow production, people are always talking about how they all have heart at their core, and it sounds like the same is true for ZACK AND MIRI. KS: Yeah, and Elizabeth kind of spilled the beans a little bit [during the panel], it is a very sweet movie. It's just very filthy getting to its very sweet moments. Capone: They asked me if I wanted to interview Traci Lords, and I said, "Honestly, I don't think I could. I'd be too nervous. She's a cultural icon." How did you come to get her in your film? KS: She is, she really is. To me, she's up there with Stan Lee an Johnny Rotten, who I've met. She's a living pop culture icon. Almost everybody in the world knows who Tracy Lords is. They may not know everything about her; they may not have even seen her body of work, but they know the name. She was wonderful to work with; she's real serious about the craft as well. She hasn't done porn in 20 years, and she's done a lot of TV and a lot of movies. So I think it's good because of Seth, it's a little more high profile, so she might be able to get some more work off of this. She's a hell of an actress. Capone: Who does she play? KS: She plays a character named Bubbles. I know, after I said that, "She's very serious about her craft," and I gave her the part of Bubbles to play. [laughs] She's quite good in it. Katie Morgan, same thing. Most people know Katie from the HBO show, she's done a few of them. And she's done a lot of adult films, but Katie's really fucking funny in the movie. Katie can totally get work off this flick in non-adult film, and I think she will. She's adorable in this movie. Capone: Kevin, thanks so much for talking to us for this long. I know you have things to sign and places to go. KS: I think we're just going to dinner or something. It was good meeting you after all this time. Capone: Hopefully you'll make it to Chicago with ZACK AND MIRI. KS: We'll definitely make it to Chicago. Take care. Capone

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  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    I pray

    by frongbak

    K Smith can come out with a good flick again.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by bacci40

    hey capone....spell check baby

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Elliot Cowan

    Capone - if you spoke porn you'd know it was "cumming"...

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Love Katie Morgan

    by frongbak

    Lots of talent, just don't put it in her ass.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I pray

    by Nice Marmot

    K Smith enters this TalkBack.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by silentbobafett2

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Fucking hack.

    by Loosejerk

    This movie is going to tank. It will keep Banks from getting a nomination for "W". That fat fuck needs to give it up or at least go back to school to learn how to shoot a movie.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    too nervous to interview tracy lords??

    by bacci40

    or just afraid that you would have to admit that you watched her stuff when she was underage? and you shoulda interviewed katie morgan...she is fuckin funny

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The thing about talkbacks

    by phool2056

    is that most people don't bother to enter them--it's just this core of people who take great pleasure in publicly denouncing things that really they have no idea about. There's rarely any intelligent discussion, just a lot of sourceless vitriol with little interspersed optimistic comments from people that everyone else assumes are plants. I guess my point is that when Kevin Smith does get into talkbacks, I worry that he gets the wrong idea about the fan base.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I thought it was called Zack and Mimi

    by Cedar_Room

    is that just another spelling mistake or did I just get it wrong?

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Kevin Smith.

    by Knuckleduster

    I'm playing this game on called Billy Suicide.<p> It. Is. Fucked. Up.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Cedar_Room...its miri

    by bacci40

    so you got it wrong

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    One sad question:

    by JimBobCooter

    Any nudity from Elizabeth Banks? It would make sense, right?

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    The older I get

    by Smithaz1981

    The more Kevin Smith movies suck, yeah i can swear and act like a total jack off too. I know so many people that say hollywood is dying. Well it is cause no one writes good movies anymore.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Clerks II visually interesting?

    by Holodigm

    How? I like the movie, but it's near-unwatchable because he decided to shoot in digital - the burnout is blinding. Shooting in a medium-lit interior with outdoors in the background is just about the worst situation to use digital.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    kevin smith hate is funny

    by bacci40

    cuz you guys just want him to come here so you can tell everyone how you smacked down ks, and while i think the premise of zack and miri is kinda dumb (this is the age of the internet...making one porno aint gonna make you squat)his films have been entertaining

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    I actually think this will do really well and be a big hit.

    by brokentusk

    It's got the talent in front of the camera, and the title alone will get people interested. I have a feeling this will be Smith's biggest film to date. Sure, that's not saying much (sorry Kevin, but you'd probably say the same thing), but I predict a huge hit. As for the people who I see have already come out to bash Smith, you're entitled to your opinions - even though they are wrong.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Dogma got one of the best reactions I've ever seen

    by Magic Rat

    in a theater. That and South Park, the theater was just rolling along the entire movie, made for a great experience.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Liked the interview

    by jamestewart007

    And I laughed my ass off when I found out superman is a cock gobbler! That shit is too funny! Its cool that Kevin is trying to elivate his work too. I mean, he is a cult hero and not much more than that. Love the guy to death, but he isn't anywhere near main stream. This movie might change that. Seth is pretty much unstoppable at this point and will be a huge selling point. But enough bullshit. I can't wait to see this film!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Good interview, Capone.

    by Heckles

    Kevin Smith comes across as a cool guy. I check out his SMODcast, finally saw An Evening With... and Smith seems pretty genuine. Been a fan since Clerks, and even though he kinds of sells out with all the actions figures and shit, I'll still see anything he films. Keep it up, you tubby bitch.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Would be great if Smith could do that horror movie.

    by Knuckleduster

    Just to see him do something completely different from all his usual "I'm from Jersey" stuff. I enjoy his movies, but he really needs to seek some new horizons.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Can someone please...

    by RueDBaga

    ...give Kevin Smith a cookie and tell him to go away?

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    If this is a hit, it could launch a series of actual pornos.

    by StanGrossman

    And if those have good sales, Smith can expand his merchandising empire to include some adult itmes like anatomically correct action figures. The Secret Stash shops would have to stay open 24 hours.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    katie morgan's chest

    by Bouncy X

    man she had such cute,nice, perky little breasts..why'd she have to go and ruin em with the implants?

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Do we get full frontal Seth or not?

    by gruntybear

    That's all I wanna know.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    In defence Kevin Smith.

    by eric haislar

    You guys are just jealous that basically one of "us" made it. He did something none of us have. He got off his ass threw down his own 30,000 dollars and created a empire all his own. To call him a "Hack" is just dumb, The man writes his own stuff and never even tries to do anything out of his comfort zone. Brett Ratner is a "Hack" director, doing it for the paycheck. At least Kevin has something to say when he makes a film. If you don't like his movies or find him funny then don't watch them but there is no reason to attack the man personally. Shit it's only a movie boys.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    You're right, Kevin Smith is not a HACK director. He is a SHITTY director. There is a difference. Thanks for pointing that out. <p> And did he have something to say with Jersey Girl? Or Clerks II? Those smell of paychecks to me. <p> I do think he is a clever and edgy comedy writer, though. Hopefully this movie restores some of his edge instead of the knee-jerk cocksucker jokes he's been resorting to lately. But I've heard this quickly turns into a mushy rom-com, so we'll see.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    I would also add...

    by JimBobCooter

    ... that I think Dogma is his most mature movie because he DID step out of his comfort zone. And it DID have something to say. <p> I don't think people rag on him b/c he was once "one of us" and made an empire. I just think he's hit a lull lately, and it's fair to point that out.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Clerks 2 was shot on film 35mm. they used a Kodak Vision2 500T 5218.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Something to say with Jersey Girl? Or Clerks II

    by eric haislar

    How about the joys of being a dad. And how important a father figure is in your life (being his dad just died seemed like good subject matter to me). Clerks 2 is about getting of the pot and shitting already. Taking your life into your own hands and doing something with it. Those seem like messages to me. As for being a shitty director hey i think he will agree with you he has never said he is Steven Spielberg.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Jealous Much?

    by BrightEyes

    HAHAHAHA. you Kevin Smith haters never cease to amuse me.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Seth is funny, but "insanely talented"???

    by Uncle Stan

    He is always the same character.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I'm so glad I moved to Chicago...

    by DiverseNerd

    Capone is busting his ass to do good for those of us in the City of Wind to get sneak previews of movies and his interviews always rock. IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED GOOD SIR!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Is anyone else tired of Seth Rogen?

    by BobParr

    I think he's a really good second bannana, but now he's in EVERYTHING. I don't get it. He basically plays himself in every movie. In two years he'll be where Jack Black is right now.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith?

    by Quake II

    He directed Clerks, right? ;-)

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    The funny thing about Kevin Smith is....

    by Quake II

    His best films are the ones that had no budget. Clerks & Chasing Amy are honest, well written independent films. Give the guy a budget and we get Clerks II (his worst films to date), J&SBSB and Jersey Girl (for the record, I like Mallrats). I say give Smith 800,000 for his next film and let him go at it. And PLEASE keep your wife out of your movies. It reeks of pussy whipped sellout! She may be a great reporter but SHE CAN'T ACT FOR SHIT! Her line deliveries are terrible. It's like Christopher Walken reading cue cards on SNL.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by Elemeno Pee

    Clerks II had a budget of 5 million. It's very difficult to make a movie for much cheaper than that these days, especially when you're working with a studio. The actors and filmmakers all took pay cuts to make that movie.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Has Kevin Smith ever made a good movie?

    by m_prevette

    Of course not.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Herewereyouwish

    I never knew so many people hated Kevin Smith. Thats too bad, Dogma and Mallrats are two of my favorite comedies. Clerks 2 was rather mainstream for me though... Great interview, Capone

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    The question Capone forgot to ask

    by luis1210

    Is Elizabeth Banks nude in this one?? I mean, that's a serious question, it would rock. Also I hated when actresses do roles in movies about sex and then they fuck with their bras on or go to incredible lengths not to show anything

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Clerks II

    by eric haislar

    I think that is his best film. I don't know maybe it's because i could relate to what the characters where going thought but it really touched me.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Wait a second...

    by WS

    ...are their actual jokes in this movie? Because from what I've seen it looks like a bunch of self-satisfied actors repeatedly saying Carlin's seven dirty words.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I still like the first Clerks and Mallrats was fun

    by Tacom

    I'll also see anything with Elizabeth Banks in it!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Quake II

    by Thrillho77

    I agree, word for word, until your last statement. It wouldn't be a Walken SNL appearance without incessant cue card gazing. It's hilarious! XD

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST


    by Broseph


  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I would rather

    by Falling_Gruber

    go and see The Love Guru than this. But I wonder how many sexual euphemisms they can cram into it? The kids will love it I'm sure.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Things I would like to read about Kevin

    by hallmitchell

    Hi. Good interview. Yet I want to hear how Kevin and Seth were riffing on comics and I'm busting to hear more about Kevin's run on Batman as announced at Comic Con 2008. I don't think I've seen a movie that has hit me on a more personal level than Clerks 2.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Best part of a sunday night!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    The Irony

    by hallmitchell

    That is so many people do slag off Kevin, yet did you see the line to see him at Comic Con 2007? Even Kevin was in shock. The line went for miles.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I don't get it

    by Stool Gobbler

    How old is he? Why is his dialogue so high school? Everytime I hear the guy and his self-righteous pontifications about his fucking "flicks" I marvel at the chain of events that led to this obnoxious douche become as big as he is. Literally.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is THE BEST!

    by Stallone82

    Clerks 2 was awesome - his best film! That movie was so touching and really funny :) I am soooo looking forward to Z&M. Good Luck Kevin! God Bless Brother!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith is a legend!!

    by biffy88

    Fuck the haters!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Kevin's interviews are better than his films

    by Rupee88

    True for the DVDs too...the director and cast commentary is always much better than the film itself. But he makes amusing movies and dig that cat too.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Traci Lords an icon?

    by dioxholster

    she did child pornography and thats iconic? do a google search and u just might find many of those if thats ur thing.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    i just watched Die Hard 4 today...

    by dioxholster

    and that movie totally sucked balls, asses, something smelly...but the only good thing in it was kevin smith. i liked clerks 2 and jay and silent bob movies, so he aint a hack hes just too redundant he needs to expand. do horror do action do something else.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    "I fuck a lot"

    by Rupee88

    yeah, that hurts...Elizabeth Banks is just painfully hot. I may have to watch this at home instead of the theater with the astroglide and tissues within easy reach.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Fuck Kevin Smith

    by Series7

    Fucking boner dickface ass hat.... no not really just jealous. I wish my lazy friends had any sort of ambition beyond making the perfect final fantasy football team.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith -- Please Retire!! It will STOP GLOBAL WARMING!!


  • Aug. 1, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Don't hate him/ Don't love him

    by mrfan

    He isn't really that bad of a director. The only problem I have is that I really wish he would branch out more with his projects. Do a serious drama. Do a science fiction. Heck, do a western. His last few movies seem to be just blur together. Starting to get old. Try something new please.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    tracy lords is an icon

    by bacci40

    she did what she did in the pre-internet age, and got payed mucho bucks for girls that age are doing it for free...and posting it on line...

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith = tiresome schtick

    by BrowncoatJedi

    He never grew up.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    bacci40, how is traci lords an icon?

    by dioxholster

    u mean like paris hilton or something. she was 15 doing porn...that is a tragedy.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Elizabeth Banks aint hot by any standards

    by dioxholster

    sorry guys but the market is too big and filled with many other hot people. im not gonna waste my spank bank account with someone like her.

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    wow, look at all the Smith hate!

    by the milf lover

    Since when is the geek crowd of AICN too good for Kevin Smith now? I can understand hating his shitty movies, but calling him a sellout because of action figures and things like that? Is he supposed to keep making no-budget movies by maxing out credit cards his whole life? Smith basically just sticks to doing his own mildly successful thing and pretty much admitted to being a hack in that interview, its not like he went and made a billion dollar movie trilogy or anything...

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I love it when Talkbackers tell people like Kevin Smith how to m

    by Charles Sheen


  • Aug. 2, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Oompa Loompa doompadee doo

    by Hello You Suck

    I've got another puzzle for you. <b> What do you get when you're a fat FUCK? <b> Making eight films but they all SUCK. <b> Can't make money, but still your films are made. <b> Kevin Smith must lick a lot balls as a fair trade.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST


    by bacci40

    wasnt like the girl was a you will tell me how porn degrades for those who hated clerks 2...shit, the whole movie was like one giant talkback...the only prob was that smith had to cast his wife in a role that she was both too old for and too fugly for...sorry kevin, but that bitch is scary looking...oh, and if you are a single guy and all your friends are get clerks 2

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    sith master wants it up the ass from routh

    by bacci40

    really, really bad...dont blame ya dude...guy is cute...and seth rogen doesnt know who bob stencil is...and he made a bad kirby fuck him...fuck him up the ass with brandon routh's dick

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Kevin fucking Smith?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    That overrated hack needs to stay the fuck away from movies.<p>Especially as an "actor".

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Brandon is gay,... so fucking what?

    by V'Shael

    Kevin Smith is fat... so what? Traci Lords is hot... so what?

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Scary Movie(s) get an R rating???

    by Stallone82

    Do you want evidence of insane R Ratings.. Forget Action Movies - Here is a Sexual Comedy! Scary Movie & the Sequels: Errect Penis, Glory Holes, Cum Shots going off like a Fire Hose, Inserting Errect Penis's in a Ear - They got an R Rating??????!? Case Closed! Show those clips and if theu still give you a NC17, then tell the truth Reverse Racism!! The Waynes Brothers made those films and if they didnt allow all the "hard R/sexual content" they would have never been successful! What is the other reason outside of race and bias - Racial Bias.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    There's allot of Wampa-One's & Magnolia Fans here :)

    by Stallone82

    wow allot of losers here huh Kevin! I think Kevin said it best really his true feelings about all the "online community" ie: The Wampa One's & Magnolia Fans of the world in Jay & Bob. :):):):):)

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I liked Jersey Girl *shrug*

    by Goatboy

    Maybe because I was a new father at the time. Granted, not with Jennifer Lopez but small mercies eh? Smith makes films that coincide with where my life is at during those periods - now either he is spying on me from space somehow or I just find his films relevant and that's why I dig his work. I don't think he's the best director/writer in the world, but he's a damn sight better at it than I am. Mind you, I'm probably a better Postman, so fuck Kevin Smith's mailbox. Fuck him in That didn't sound as cool as it did in my head. I'm going to watch youporn and project my fantasies into grainy, shaky Blairwitch fucking

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    "a little show i like to call BStarG"

    by rben

    watched the entire BG panel on the link yesterday. smith was pretty funny, moore thoughtful as usual and bamber a total piece of wood. and for once my shitty computer didn't crap out so i got to watch the whole hour. (i'm too cheap to add more memory, sorry the computer industry can kiss my ass.) let's all enjoy the wait untill 2009 to see the last 10 eps. (douches!)

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Chasing Amy is my favourite Smith movie.

    by Knuckleduster

    Dogma is the one I've rewatched the least amount of times. Too much exposition. 80% of the movie consists of the characters explaining the plot to each other. Great concept, though.<p> And yes, he needs to stop casting his wife. Certain directors can get away with it. David Mamet and Tim Burton, for instance, because their wives happen to be great actresses. But Smith casting his wife in every movie just makes her seem desperate for attention and fame. It just doesn't do anything for the movie.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Great writer

    by justanothermoviefan

    but is not capable of getting good performances. The script was always given preference, and it hurts his films. hopefully he's realizing this.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    Could have used his enormous cock to stop 9/11. He knew if he did it would only make us weaker. It was almost as sad a day for the world, when Kevin stopped admitting that he still smokes pot, my entire Halo Clan cried like dirty cops that got raped in prison for weeks on end. One member even going so far as to castrate himself with a vhs copy of "Drawing Fly's". <br> As the son of the inventor of the Styrofoam egg cartons Kevin doesn't really need to make movies for money and thats why his movies are polemics on vast social groundworks detailing an exacting and faceted nature of existence. To this day you can still smell the impact crater were Kevin first landed on earth, do not fear the less-than-subtle hints of ode'to Harvey Weinstein cologne for man ass. <br> The over-arching meme of Kevin Smith is a big FUCK YOU/Let's Get High to God and everybody else who will listen with there pants still on. <br> On one side of the coin you have a picture of Kevin Smith's insanely huge cock and on the other a finely detailed Flemish master-work level painting of Ronald McDonald masturbating over a pile of dead children. <br> 9/11 happened for a reason folks and if you can smell your new haircut like I can smell your new haircut then we can determine mathematically that Kevin Smith's new film is going to open some kind of psychic portal to a realm previously only found in the respective lavatory's of Harry Knowles & J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. natch. <br> Prepare yourself! Start reading more comic books today! No, not those shitty ones, read some good comics. What? Do have to tell you everything?

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Brandon Routh is not gay

    by doubledown44

    but ThaSithMaster is a pedophile. It's true.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Routh gay?

    by Sprout

    I thought he was enagaged or married to (quick IMDb search later) Courtney Ford.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    bacci40, she was 15 doing porn.

    by dioxholster

    cant get any worse. i mean what did her fellow pornstars think after the revelation? i wouldve chopped my penis off. i just dont see anything iconic about it; first child pornstar? i mean im still disgusted by hugh hefner's request to get miley cyrus in playboy once she hits 18.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Is ElvisYadaYadaYada one of those really creepy guys?

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    Yes. I keep my hair extra greasy and thin. Because I heard thats how Tasha likes it. I stare at everyone. And I keep a copy of the Spiderman Powerpack crossover handy so I can readily point out where Spidey admits to being molested. I dream of someday making concise and poignant talkbacks in the fashion of my mentor chocolateReign.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    I get it, you don't like kevin smith. He is classic indiewood and is a like it or loath it dude. He has hits and misses. But the fact is that there is a group of people out there who, when they have discovered his movies it sets off of little bell in their as if the movie is speaking directly to them. Mallrats is a movie i just totally love. And it will survive for much longer than movies with massive budgets and and massive ticket sales because there are a group of people who will just watch it over and over, long after they know every line in the movie. Another factor that makes smith substantial, a new generation of hit makers see his work as inspiring. One day others will be inspired by them and, many years from now the people that they inspired will go looking through the movies that these long dead people liked and they will come up with little know movie like those made by smith. It is that diecast fan base that will see these movies last.

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    clarification on hef

    by j2talk

    Hef was asked if he would put Miley Cyrus in Playboy when she turned 18, to which he responded sure...that's is a bit deferent than saying that he wants her in Playboy...

  • Aug. 2, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I just want to see...

    by Sidepocket

    If the same talk backers would say the same shit right in front of Kevin Smith's face? I am guessing it would be none. See, that I think is what makes me diffrent from other people, I am the same way online as I am in real life. Anyhow, Kevin Smith is a cool guy that tries most of the time. He has been in a lull lately but this an his Batman work seems like he is going to come out of it.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by hatespeech

    Can't this lunchbox do anything else? Fuck.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Will he finish what he started on Batman?

    by mrfan

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh may have taken some gay shrapnel from Singer

    by Rupee88

    It may be guilt by association. And Singer hired a gay Luthor, so one would think he would hire a gay Superman too. Even if Routh had to blow Singer to get the gig, that is "gay for pay" and Routh wouldn't be truly homosexual. I'm not saying he is or isn't, but just haven't seen definitive evidence either way. I still feel bad for the guy because he would have made bank on a sequel if Singer wouldn't have fucked up so badly.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    And how can you hate on Kevin Smith

    by Rupee88

    He took a talkback on here once and responded to every single person in a post on his website...I mean he has too much free time, but you've got to give him some geek cred for that. But TBers are a cranky, ornery bunch and familiarity breeds contempt...therein lies the source of the unkind words towards Mr. Smith. He has made a couple of fun movies.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Hefner Invites Cyrus To Pose For Playboy

    by dioxholster

    here is the link: she is now predestined, it sucks growing up in a western culture that makes a 15 yr old pornstar an icon.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Western culture

    by Knugen

    Yeah right, Western culture sucks - since 9 year olds are married to old geezers in the Middle East, or sold as cattle in Africa, killed at birth in China and India etc..

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant

    by slugbat

    I remember your work years ago on the talkback that KS joined... you destroyed him. That was one of the all-time greatest TBs I've ever read. Props to you, Mr. Van Rant. <p> Now, I'm not blinded with KS hate, but for some reason I enjoy reading these ferocious talkbacks. Perhaps this is the refiner's fire he needs to purge his weaknesses? He really has to stop putting his girl into those movies. "P-Whipped" doesn't even begin to describe how it comes off.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Knugen, when u put it that way

    by dioxholster

    makes everyone look bad.

  • Aug. 4, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Just curious

    by Raphman

    do any of you loser haters even know what the definition of a "hack" is?

  • Aug. 7, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST


    by J.B.M.A.

    Clerks 2 was shot on film NOT Hi-Def. It had a digital intermediate in the post process, but this would have no negative effect on the exposure. Perhaps you just didn't like the cinematography? <p> Also, most of the new high end digital systems could cope with such situations admirably if used in the proper manner.

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