July 31, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST
But I wish Moriarty and Obi well.
July 31, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
July 31, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST
by The Helper Monkey
it will suck so hard NBC cancels FEAR ITSELF.
July 31, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST
by mr dark
Seriously good luck with this episode Moriarty....
July 31, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST
Getting this far is a million to one shot, even AMONG people with talent, so good on you.
July 31, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST
by Curtis Spicoli
Sounds like it might be interesting. Are these the guys that wrote the Masters of Horror episode with Ron Perlman at the clinic? That wasn't bad, I caught it on Encore last week. I loved the nod to Capenter's The Thing. Nice one.
July 31, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST
I screwed up taping them all, so I was hoping for a collection with, perhaps, some footage too gruesome for TV or something.
July 31, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST
cuz i wanna ask him lots of kiss ass questions then apologize for not having time to ask real question, like "what does harry's dick taste like"...and boy, this epi better not suck...cuz drew and obi will never hear the end of it
July 31, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST
if it wouldn't mean forgoing sex, I would tune in...but congrats all the same...
July 31, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST
...to make a good Fear Itself. At least by comparison, they've all pretty much sucked except a few moments here and there.<p> Good luck, anyway.
July 31, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST
by Spaz Medicine
... which is very subjective btw... These dudes got their work produced and put in front of a significant audience. Good for them. We should all have that kind of success. Congrats, guys.
July 31, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST
there's an Olympics this year?<p> i had no idea.<p> is there some kind of advertising or marketing tie-in with corporate sponsors that can provide us with more information?
July 31, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST
I'm interested in seeing some of Moriarty's work.
July 31, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
If it has Elliot DeMauro and the Pink Ranger, I'll watch it.
July 31, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... that's exactly what I would say. Doug's the best thing about the episode by leaps and bounds.
July 31, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST
by Darth Thoth
Can't wait to check it out!
July 31, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST
by Jonah Echo
especially after sitting through The Commons last week. Will probably spend time discussing it over in the Outlander TB. <p>
July 31, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST
by Fish Tank
the other thread with your script in it?
July 31, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST
for doug jones, and because i enjoyed the script. Gratz drew and scott!
July 31, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST
by Tar Heel
Stream of consciousness. You know... Now that they've supposedly found "London After Midnight," will they find "Le Fin Absolue du Monde" next?
July 31, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST
The one with the cops in the police station had a cannibal shapeshifter dude.
July 31, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST
...but good to know that Mori agrees. :D Doug Jones becoming a cannibal or something should be the fucking scariest thing that has been on TV since the zuni fetish doll!
July 31, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST
But when are you and Harry writing and directing the AICN story, featuring cameos from various TBers??
July 31, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST
by Sammy Jankis
Mori posted something in the Coax column a few weeks ago stating that his episode would premier on July 24. I didn't watch it yet, but what did I record on my DVR last week? What I want to know is does the Wendigo talk to a green plastic plant in the corner while he's having dinner? Remember Sammy Jankis!
July 31, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST
until the endings. Eater was good but then it just veered off the rails at the end. The best one has been the first one. But I think this ep is going to rock. Doug Jones will rule all if it stays anything like the script Mori posted. Between this and "My name is Jerry" Doug is getting face time without 20 pounds of make-up on top of it. Which is great!
July 31, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
congradulations on landing such a high profile director.
July 31, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
by birdy birdman
sorry drew but you're 0/2 "attempts" at horror, were you at least able to slip in some snuff/rape fetish material? because that's all that's really important, right? FAIL
July 31, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
by birdy birdman
July 31, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST
That is all.<br> Oh, and this show sucks ass.
July 31, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
...That paragraph was almost as confusing and incomprehensible as anything President Bush has said in the last 8 years.
July 31, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST
...who doesn't know what the hell Herc is trying to say here. I gather that Mori & Obi wrote, produced, possibly key gripped something about tonight's show. Care to clarify?
July 31, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST
anthology series (the Forrest Whitaker TZ, Masters of Horror/Science Fiction) just die on TV. I think Telemundo is beating Fear Itself in the same time slot.<p>It doesnt help that the eps so far have been fair at best. And the generic Canadian exteriors are bland, bland, bland.<p>I do like Fessenden's work, and Doug Jones is a plus, so I'll be tuning in. BTW, having John Carpenter on your resume has got to be a dream come true.
July 31, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST
I caught an episode of that yesterday about the Grim Reaper (played by Jason Alexander!) taking a day off from his macabre duties. It wasn't bad. I'd rather see anthology shows like Twilight Zone and Fear Itself than all these crappy reality shows that clog the airwaves.
July 31, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST
Oh God yes! When America's Got Talent and MXC ripoff Wipeout top the ratings, is it any surprise that Fear Itself stuggles to find viewers. Remember, ABC scheduled Masters Of Science Fiction in the Saturday 10pm death slot last year.<p> Hey ABC, how about rerunning the first (shortened) season of Pushing Daisies before the fall? I'm asking for selfish reasons, cuz I got an HD TV this winter and would love to see it in all its colorful glory before the new season.
July 31, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST
Been casted as Robocop yet?
July 31, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST
I will be watching tonight. Congrats on getting something like this done. Love Wendigo stories.
July 31, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST
Hope it goes over well...
July 31, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST
cigarettes, abortions and wendingos, oh my.
July 31, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST
What are they doing just putting it on TV , can't we start some kind of campaign to get it a cinema release ?
July 31, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST
I have yet to see them in reruns,ever. I guess it was just me at that age but some of those episodes stand out (the one with the manequins,the one with the stop watch) and gave me fucking nightmares at that age. are they on dvd yet? How come I can sit through reruns of every other anthology (Darkside,Crypt,Monsters,Freddy's nightmares) but no 80's TZ?
July 31, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST
how much of the script was fiddled with, or did you guys pretty much have clearance to go bugnuts(tm)?
July 31, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST
...if you can get past the so-so production values and 80's video-look, they're pretty fun. My roomate baught them a while back. AND- congrats, Drew! Haven't seen this show in ages, but the combination of you and Doug Jones definitely means a viewing is required.
July 31, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST
I'm not too keen on the twist surprise endings most are doing as they are often very obvious. The wedding episode was the worst. I don't think there is anyone who watched that episode who didn't see that ending coming after the first 5 minutes. The way the note was written was like a giant neon flashing sign saying "this isn't what it seems!". Knowing how the episode would end I watched to see if it made sense and guess what, it didn't. The red herrings were poorly done and the bride's reaction near the end (hiding in the confessional) did not fit with the "big reveal". Although the shot of her apartment was rather creepy and disturbing. A very poorly written episode that, with a few adjustments, could have worked (or at least worked better).<p>The zombie episode did cheat a bit but I think they did a good enough job explaining it at the end that I didn't feel too cheated. Plus it explained her very stupid behaviour throughout the episode.
July 31, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST
Personally, I don't mind plugging their own staff as long as they honestly criticize their work. BUT WILL THEY? (TWO SCARY MUSIC CHORDS LOOMS IN BG)
July 31, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST
The Dodgers got Manny Ramirez! Hells yeah.
July 31, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST
They do so routinely. And they do it a LOT when you remember they're a component of Time Warner.
July 31, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST
You're right about EW; so follow their lead and write a critique about the FI episode.
July 31, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST
Are you fucking kidding me? They do it weekly. Asshat.
July 31, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST
but still not great. That one that Rollins hosted a while back was horrible. Masters of Sci-Fi was quite good. "My Name is Jerry" was excellent! I'll just keep hoping for a good anthology.
July 31, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST
I'm with you on "My Name Is Jerry." Great episode.
July 31, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
Haven't seen any ep.s, but I'll catch this one.<br><br>Is there plans for a DVD release?
July 31, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST
It reminds me of an old TV miniseries called "Harvest Home". I think that's the title. It was also about a crazy community that won't let you leave. Ever. <p> It also had the same kind of ending.
July 31, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST
July 31, 2008, 10 p.m. CST
Doug Jones was damn creepy! How did this get past standards and practices though?
July 31, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST
of my life I can't get back. What the fuck was that??????
July 31, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
I think Corky could'a been a better choice for the older kids role, and the younger one was just as bad.<br><br>"We aren't allowed to use Uncle Rory's truck"... even if our supposed father, who we just inferred isn't our actual father, is trying to eat us.<br>And, if the older one grew up on a ranch, how in the hell did he never learn how to load a gun with the right ammo?<br><br>Other than that, the episode was alright.
July 31, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST
by El Borak
it actually frightened me! i figured it was doug jones. wow.
July 31, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST
at life. All the haters come back when they've written anything. Oh, and who else thinks Mori should go under the single name 'McWeeny', like McG? Or just 'Ween'?
July 31, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST
by Jonah Echo
in the script, Drew and Scott made it plain that the younger son was mentally retarded, and the older son a bit unsure of himself, the whole Wendigo incident drawing him into manhood. I definitely think the younger boy was underplayed to the point, he could have seemed just dense and not actually posessing learning disabilities or whatever. But yes, he was written that way in the script, and I felt it more directly there.
July 31, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST
by Jonah Echo
I posted this in the Outlander TB, but wanted to put it here, so you could see it. <p> First, this is easily the best episode of Fear Itself thus far. The only one that has images and ideas that stick with you. If I had not read your script, I would have accused you of pounding home the "uncle is the father" theme, but it was actually very subtle in the script. <p> As far as the directing, Fessenden get's some creepy shots there, the roving camera looking at all the trophy heads and the darkened interior of the cabin, the misty mountains, the scene of Grady climbing down in the barn, behind the boys. I love that dark exterior of the red barn. That barn set looked very similar, and was shot very similar to the barn in The Roost(a low budget flick that Fessenden helped produce I think, or at least had a small role in). All done well. Favorite shot was the one of Grady looking out the window at Eddie Bear after the mare's death. <P> Doug Jones is awesome! He delivers one of the great t.v. movie monsters. We were talking bout t.v. monsters, like Don't Be Afraid of the Dark, etc. and this one stands up there with Savini's creature from Inside the Closet, and the zuni doll and someof the Outer Limits better creatures.I hope this thing gets airplay again. It's a shame it's not more of a stand alone piece(meaning that it won't just be shown as a little short film, outside the F I series. I argue that this and Battleground from Nightmares and Dreamscapes should be set free to be shown seperately whenever they can. Catching stuff like this randomly, at Halloween would be a great treat. I can see kids seeing this and freaking over it in the same way we still recall the dark imagery of those old t.v. flicks. <p> Also, Mori, are you familiar with Alvin Schwartz, the author and illustrator of Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. It was a series of books when I was growing up that told classic folk tales, ghost stories and urban legends, with Schwartz's macabre sketches. His people always had distorted heads, sunken eyes, skeleton grins. His collection was the first place I ever encountered a Wendigo story. But the thing that truly struck me is Doug Jones' Grady looks like a Schwartz sketch come to disturbing life. My wife even commented on the fact too. Was this at all intentional? Or is this just a great coincidence on my part? Anyways, if you don't know Schwartz, check the drawings. Cool. <p> All in all, I really liked it, and think it's the best of the three pieces you and Scott have done, but I think I liked your take on Wendigo as a specific demon who posesses the body more than what they did here. I did find the concept of the rage allowing the creature access, and the underlying feelings Grady had about his wife and Rowdy giving the wendigo purpose, and vice versa, very cool. But I truly missed that scene where the Wendigo recognizes Eddie Bear from his childhood. I also missed Eddie's attempt to exorcise the creature, but (and this is just my opinion) I think at the script level, you could have made this a bigger part of the story, and included more Rowdy(and not just Rowdy stew) in the conclusion. But those are more preferences on my part, then actual criticism. <p> How did you feel about the changes that were made Drew? Were you asked to make them, or were they made later? <p> Terrific work, and I hope to keep seeing good creepy stuff being churned out from the McWeeney/Swann collaboration.
July 31, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST
by Jonah Echo
Schwartz was also an illustrator BUT the drawings for the Scary Stories books were by Stephen Gammell. That's the guy whose work I was referencing. Gammell. Schwartz only wrote the books.
July 31, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST
"It's just MEAT!" <P> Doug Jones did an amazing freaky job. Best horror thing I've seen in a while. That scene where he's making her make dinner was great.
Aug. 1, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST
series is pretty hard. Unlike in a regular TV series, you don’t have the luxury of starting out with richly defined characters or complex character relationships and back stories. Nor do you have a lot of time to develop these things in an hour. For this reason, the anthology format requires all the technical elements to be spot on. Everything needs to be tight. This usually means stripping the story down to the bare bones and only including the elements (characters, plot etc) that are absolutely essential to making the story work. Unfortunately, this in turn might mean that you end up telling the story that you can or should tell vs the story that you want to tell…. Story wise, I think there were some characters and story elements that didn’t quite work out because there wasn’t enough time to flesh it all out and give them the focus that they deserved. Taking the unnecessary stuff out would have allowed the essential protagonist(s) to be better defined. Also, a stronger ending would’ve left a better lasting impression. It was a good job though considering it was written in only a few days. There were a few places here and there that could’ve used some polish to work out some issues with character action/reaction logic. Other than the story, I thought Doug Jones was fantastic. That’s a tough role to pull off without it becoming corny. The part where he licks his wife’s arm was a tiny but great moment. Some questionable acting from some of the other actors though. And the lighting was awful… but I guess that’s TV.
Aug. 1, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST
by Jed Black
Meh, pretty good. Love the idea, and given the TV format, it's easy to let the genre mechanics creak along without ruining things; a solid B. Congrats Moriarty.
Aug. 1, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
Thanks for the insight, I found the kids to be a bit odd in how the logic was handled to way they acted to the 'dad'.
Aug. 1, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... of course you can review it. You just did. No one's going to "melvin" you, sir, so relax. <P>I'm modestly happy with it. I'd be lying if I said it's exactly what I wanted. Feel free to be critical of it... no one's told anyone otherwise. As I said above, Doug Jones is the reason to watch. All hail Doug Jones.
Aug. 1, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST
Because I find that's always one of my biggest complaints about these anthologies. Doug jones was indeed fucking awesome and creepy but they always seem to have one marquis actor and then just surround them with people who aren't up to the task. They always seem to have some atmosphere problems, but I'm guess thats due more to time and budgetary constraints than anything else. Is there some kind of limit to who they cast or is it local to canada or something?
Aug. 1, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST
Not a bad ep, actually. Any weaknesses in story were really kicked in the nads by Jones. What a fucking talent this guy is.<p> Though I have to laugh at the "noble death of a minority" thing. At this point, is that just an industry in-joke or did you guys think that would be something new and diff?
Aug. 1, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST
...were badly acted and written.<p>
Aug. 1, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST
For the most part, I really liked this episode. The concept was creepy, and I liked how you guys played with the idea of rage and isolation within the family unit. There were a few one liners thrown out that took me away from the story, but for the most part I thought the dialogue was pretty good, even if the acting wasn't quite there. </p> That being said, I do think that the mentally challenged younger son was kind of shoehorned in, and the actor was fucking awful. I mean really fucking awful. I hope that kid never gets work again. The older son wasn't as bad, but not as good as any of the other actors. </p> Holy shit Doug Jones is creepy. Does anyone else think that he looks like an animatronic when he moves? And there were scenes where he was lying in bed where I was convinced that it was a wax sculpture. The make up people did a really great job. </p> In the end, I think it was a really good episode, definitely the best that Fear Itself has had (although that isn't saying a lot). Keep up the work Mori, Maybe this would have worked better as a feature, but for a standalone episode of an anthology television series, it's pretty good.
Aug. 1, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST
But the story was cool and creepy. How the isolated rage in all of us can manifest into something we have no control of. it came across as campy and fun. + The wendigo guy was awesome.
Aug. 1, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST
Haha! I grew up on him. I am Ojibwe, and The Wendigo is one of our myths. No one has come close to getting him right, yet. Those stories would scare the hell out of us when we were kids. That's what he is meant to do... scare kids. If you get it right, Drew, hats off... but I have my doubts. He's just a monster of the week to you Hollywood writers (and I mean that as a compliment, dude). Does he have a black star in his forehead? Does he stand 12' tall? Is he a forewarning to death? A messenger? I grew up 50 miles from where he comes from... I'm amped for this one, dude!
Aug. 1, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
I enjoyed the script but other than Doug Jones I think NBC dropped the ball from orbit. The other actors were terrible, the director had no idea how to translate the mood from the script to the screen and the guy in the diting room should be fired.<p>Doug Jones was phenomenal, but I think Drew and Scott got the shaft.
Aug. 1, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST
The wendigo episode was stronger than the last several Fear Itself outings, but there were some hokey moments. The possessed guy (can't recall his name) was very creepy and effective. Overall, not bad.
Aug. 1, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
Hey, good for you. I thought you were just living off a trust fund or something.
Aug. 1, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST
listening to the Stones. Based upon the comments I'll give it another shot when sober.
Aug. 1, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST
Aug. 1, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST
This is right up there with the "Gentlemen" from Buffy. Does anyone else remember the desicated "vampire zombies" from Lifeforce? That Doug Jones could embody a make up that could only be done as an animatronic in the past is quite the achievement. He's one skinny muther.<p>And I also think it is the best of Drew & Scott's works on TV so far. Sometimes the restraints of network can work for you.
Aug. 1, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST
by El Borak
"here's an onion and a carrot!"
Aug. 1, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST
"What's on your mind Eddie Bear?"<p>The first stew, the one the mother made and the son dropped, looked really good. Had a craving for beef stew throughout the episode. At least until she made it a second time. That pretty much put me off stew for the time being.
Aug. 1, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST
I was really digging the episode, and there were obviously all the allusions to this secret, and it became pretty obvious what it was...but...WHY? There was zero payoff. Ok they were pretending that the kids were Grady's.....WHY!!? This has been irking the hell out of me. What introduce this love triangle aspect to never have it go through?
Aug. 2, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST
Yeah.. come to think of it, while resigning myself to the camp convention/bad acting of it all. what was the point of the Father/Uncle subplot? was there more to it that got left on the cutting room floor? This point didn't go anywhere.
Aug. 2, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST
Bat out of hell. Is this gonna based on an original script?
Aug. 2, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST
best episode of Fear Itself by leaps and bounds. In fact, way better than many masters of horror episodes. The entire time I was watching it, I was wondering how much different it could/would have been if it was done for Masters of Horror. Mori, would you have written it any differently if you knew it was going to Showtime? Doug Jones owned this episode.
Aug. 3, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST
I thought it was the best of the "Fear Itself" episodes so far. Question: at the end, did the Wendigo enter the older boy after the mom shoots Grady? It seemed like that was what happened (especially since this show always seems to have a twist ending).