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Sony Revives Plans For SPIDER-MAN Spinoff VENOM!!
I am – Hercules!!
It looks like the gooey parasite from "Spider-Man 3" might jump off Topher Grace and onto a bigger star.
Sony commissioned a script by Jacob Estes (“Mean Creek”) for "Venom" but is apparently seeking a new writer to pursue a new direction following the explosive successes of Paramount’s “Iron Man” and Warner Bros.’ “The Dark Knight.”
Hollywood vets have vivid recollections of “Venom” movies being developed long before the first big-screen “Spider-Man” production got underway.
Read all of the Reporter’s story on the matter here.
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Jul 30, 2008 11:44:20 PM CDT
After craptacular Spiderman 3 - call me disinterested
by jackrabbitslim
And calling Topher Grace any kind of "star" brings acidic bile into my throat. Go back to television where you belong!!!
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Mean Creek is awesome and it is not calling Topher Grace a big star but saying the new venom will be a bigger star then grace (and hopefully much less of a shit eating douche nozzle) What's all this about a venom movie bein in development BEFORE spiderman? Can someone clarify this for me cause it's making zero sense to me right about now (although most hollywood decisions do I suppose)
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This just doesn't make me that excited.. I would have been if they didn't make Eddie Brock into an EMO douchebag at the end of SM3 with that horrible forced plot line. Shame, it's a cool character too.. Sony is a mess, seems they're going to way of FOX with how they handle the superhero properties they own.
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Now, I really don't care about anything related to Spiderman. Unless, of course, Sony gives Spidey back to Marvel and we do a Wolverine/Spiderman/Nick Fury adventure.
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There is still an opportunity to make Venom a badass on screen villain (so long as Raimi doesn't get his grubby hands on this).
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Jul 30, 2008 11:53:18 PM CDT
Ok - even in tangential reference to star, Topher = poo
by jackrabbitslim
If i didn't want to see him waste his talent, and possibly his career, I'd cast Joseph Gordon-Levitt, best male actor under the age of 30 for my cheap-ass two cents.
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one of best first non first postings I've ever seen, well done good sir..
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Murder murder murder, the end.
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Original thought was *meh*. But if somehow they actually made a super gritty and full on Venom film, it could kick all sorts of ass.
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I'm not being funny, here. I don't quite get the beauty of a Venom series so much.
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I agree, Joseph Gordon Levitt is an amazing actor that makes awesome choices when it comes to movies he's been in (with the probable exception of GI JOE but I'll reserve judgement) I dont know that I see him as Eddie Brock though, I remember Brock as a body builder with blonde hair, are there other verions of Eddie Brock in the comics? In the ultimate version he is a lot more like parker right, so then it could work. Will spiderman be the bad guy? (he should be after spiderman 3...)
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Remember when the comics industry was booming in the 90's and it quickly got wattered down to the point of unreadable books with shiny covers and art that looked a lot like someone at Image's art? I'm worried that the success of Dark Knight and Iron Man might cause the studio system to act the fool. I really want to be wrong on this one, though. I love comics and I love movies and there have been some great ones. But the shitty ones are in far greater number already... fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
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must call himself "we" and must reference spider-man or even have a spidey cameo...gotta be the right universe
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I need some help on this one. Although Wolverine looks promising and the Director has got some street-cred. But so did Ang Lee and look what happened there. As long as Raimi stays as far away as possible from it, I will watch from a distance...... And Topher played Venom like that 70's character. "My spidey-sense is tingling IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?" YUK!
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at all.
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? Wolverines not even releasedyet and there ripping it off already.
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Steroi ... errr .. i mean a ferocious dedication to diet and working out could give Mr Levitt that physique but ... I agree - he, as a general rule, doesn't do films like this.
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Not interested.
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Venom never worked right as anything besides as an antagonist/villain to Spider-Man, he's little more than a repetitive plot device.
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So why push Venom on Spiderman 3 at ALL then?
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I'm hoping this 'new direction' is done like Incredible Hulk, brief flashback then "here's where we are today". Then its a whole movie of him fighting Spiderman, but told entirely from the villians point of view. Never show Spidey's face, just merciless beatings. TAG YOUR IT!
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Too easy For Sonywood.
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Unless they make it all over-the-top super gorey / exploitative / grindhouse-y, then it will still be retarded, but awesomely retarded.
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Should've left out Venom and the pointless Harry crap. Less is more. Did they learn nothing from Batman Returns or Batman Forever or Batman and Robin?
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MUST BE JACK BLACK
THERE IS NO QUESTION.
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And a #1 Spawn. I'm special. Just like 40 million other people who own those comics.
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There's nothing about him that wasn't lifted from either ALIENS or TERMINATOR 2. He's a lame 2-dimensional character. He's essentially Spider-Man with a beard.
What's so "badass" about him anyway? That he says "We" instead of "I"? That he has a big jaw that drips goo? That he has big teeth? There's no depth to his story ("I hate Spider-Man because he indirectly caused me to lose my job, and YOU hate Spider-Man because he rejected your alien love, so let's join up and hate Spider-Man together! Grr!") and his powers are pretty unoriginal (Spider-Man's powers, but stronger and with black goo instead of web fluid. Plus morphing, cuz morphing was COOL in the 90s.)
Half the people that think he's the shit are kids who never read Spider-Man and only saw Venom on the animated show. If you had actually read comics in the 90s, and saw what a total fucking mess McFarlane and company made of Spider-Man back then, and had to suffer through the lame-ass Venom stories ("Oh dear. My evil twin is after me and he knows who I am, and who my girlfriend is, and where I live... Just like half my of other enemies... But this guy HATES me and his power blocks my Spider-sense, so I'm in slightly more danger than I would be if I fought the Green Goblin, but only until I find a bell tower, siren, sonic blaster, or particularly loud car alarm which will defeat him, because his weakness is-- of all things-- SOUND WAVES.)
Venom is a villain made to appeal to mouth-breathing wankers who only need to see a character dressed in black to think he's "cool" or "badass" or "dark" or "deep."
Venom is shit. He has always been shit. He only got slightly interesting lately in the Thunderbolts, as Mac Gargan (formerly the Scorpion), once Eddie Brock kicked the bucket.
And don't get me started on Cletus "the skinny red redneck version of Venom" Carnage. All I can say is I CHEERED when Sentry flew his lame ass into the sky and TORE HIM IN HALF like the weak, stupid fucking character he was. Good riddance. The fucking RINGER was more intimidating than Carnage. -
Jul 31, 2008 12:41:37 AM CDT
"Should've left out Venom and the pointless Harry crap"
by the milf lover
uh... what? No, they should have left out Sandman completely and made the Venom/Harry stuff better written, dark with no bullshit emo Parker/MaryJane/Gwen triangles, and KILLED MARY JANE, fucking Kirsten Dunst is the worse thing about the trilogy.
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Carnage was utter garbage and deserved his Sentry death.
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You are right on all your points. If Sony wants to waste money they should just give it to me. I can waste money pretty good.
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no way would they have the balls to tell a story from the villans pov, look at Wanted, a GN about villans that turned them into something...else
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I love Venom as a Spider-man villain but take him away from the ol' web-slinger and you'll get shitty stories much like the craptastic limited series Marvel published in the '90s. Hollywood had they're chance to do Venom right and blew it (and I still blame Raimi's disinterest in the character for that little debacle), and no more talk of reboot/rehash/re imagining/retardation bullshit please! Gimme some fresh ideas for fucks sake.
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The Perfect job for Brett Ratner. Somebody hire Rat for this and pull him away from God Of War.
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...count me in.
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...with that debaccle that was Spiderman 3. I thought the first Spidey was overrated and was blown away by its sequel. What happened? I just hope the same pattern doesn't follow Nolan's Batman universe. I personally think he should create a new villian for Batman, not a comic book carry-over. Nolan actually has quite a bit of slack now, fans would accept anything at this point. Not to say fans will tolerate a inferior the final product, but talkbacks and buzz will yield considerable maneuver room for Nolan and company in the preproducition stages. A serial killer would be interesting. A terrorist cell ala al quaida, maybe? The latter may sound silly, but I really don't want to see another "guy in costume" villian. We believed the Joker, because he was a copycat in many respects to Batman, except he was on the other side of the moral spectrum. I don't want to see Gordon saying things like "we have a new villain who broke into the museum Batman. He calls himself Mr. Freeze. Good luck" Bleh!
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Could I please transfer over to the parallel universe in which Todd McFarlane was never born? Thank you, Universe.
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Todd McFarlane has more talent in his pinky that your entire fat body. What have you done worthwile? It's okay, I'll wait.
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and become a maker of shite movies. Again.
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Venom, no less-- one of the more uninteresting villains in recent memory. He's all flash and very little substance... The money motive from the movie execs is clearly at play here. SM3 made a ton of money, so why not a Venom spinoff? Heck, it'll be cheaper than a real Spider-Man movie. Prediction: "Venom" will be a short-lived box office hit, then word-of-mouth will spread that this is the most uninspired idea for a movie this side of "Ghost Rider."
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Nobody WANTS to see this, yes if you make it people will see it but nobody out there is going "Oh wow, a VENOM MOVIE!!" "Cool! A remake of Robocop"...christ...
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It had the best action scenes...come on are you really gonna say the small Goblin battles, the Doc Ock L-train battle (as cool as it was) and the wayyyy truncated final battle of Spider-man 2 were better than the awesome costume-less Spidey vs. Goblin battle (TWANG goes the webline clothsline!), Sandman battles in streets and subways, Pete vs. Harry all out super-strength brawl and the way best final battle of the 3 films?? It also had the 2nd best emotion...Spidey 2 was a little better there b/c angst and suffering just plays better...but to me Spidey 3 had the most "dude, he has fallen so far" moment that was heartbreaking when he hit MJ. And seriously, Peter is completely NOT emo in Spidey 3!!! What?? A guy brushes his hair down over his forehead and that makes him emo??? Everything else he was doing while symbioted was NOT emo...it was just amplifying his already geek personality....all the reactions he got were of ridicule and disgust...which was exactly what was intended! It was TOTALLy like that in the comics!! And was the jazz dance REALLY worse than fracking "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" and that god-awful freeze-frame of Peter's goofy smile? Though the Raimi films are light on Spidey's cracking wise 3 has Spidey cracking the most...acting cocky as he often did in the comics before everything hit the wall. Was Venom rushed? Yeah...the film is not without its flaws but still we got Venom and he looked DEAD-ON like the comic version...which was light years ahead of anything we thought we would would get 10 years ago when a Spider-man film was a distant dream. He worked great...just wasn't in it enough with enough time to develop...shoulda been saved for 4....which I DO hope we get a Raimi 4 b/c in my opinion (not saying this is fact guys) in my opinion the Spidey films keep getting better and I'd love another from this team. Don't get me wrong...I LOVE Spidey 1 and 2 more than most movies, but I really just DONT GET the Spidey 3 hate. Ah, frack it, I'm going to bed.
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Is it possible?
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They do not want to dilute the Spider-Man brand, so why do this when they can make another Spidey movie instead? This is probably just some studio exec getting his scriptwriter friend some easy cash.
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Watch Spider-Man 3. Note the film making.
Watch Dark Knight. Note the film making.
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but you comic geeks are just to much, the hatred you give the 3rd in each series is fucking hilarious, how do you think i feel, im a total dredd nut and look what the fuck they done to that character!!!!!! so stop fucking complaining at least you get to still see them on the big screen
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But this movie will surely be bollocks?
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the raindrops falling on my head scene worked. the freeze frame of the goofy smile absolutely worked. the jazz dance scene was so bad and out of place it made me embaressed to be a spider-man fan.
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Brock is dead, disintegrated by the goblin grenade at the end. So, the tiny bit of symbiote left with Dr. Connors will most likely be our new venom. A film about an angry puddle. Joy.
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i never liked venom or the whole black costume storyline
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Spiderman? Wouldn't that just be Spiderman 4?
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I started reading comics right around when Venom was becoming popular, but after all the black costume stuff was over and done with. Anyway, I once got my hands on a comic book with the black costume. Kraven the Hunter had kidnapped Black costume Spider-Man, thrown him into a caged deathmatch with the Man-Rat, and then gone off to blow his brains out with a shotgun before even seeing who won. I thought that was a sort of cool issue of Spider-Man.
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sitting.
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...and studios greenlight this shit. i pray to shiva for hollywood's destruction!!!!
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this was the reason they forced Venom into the 3rd Spider-man to begin with.
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Of all the other Marvel properties, they are going for a dumbass movie based on Venom? Uh, it's way too soon to bring him back.Let's see a Iron Fist Movie instead. Fucking idiots.
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dude, there's no bigger star than Topher Grace!
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Hollywood will translate the comics in proper fashion, and to all Venom naysayers I think I'd all the more love to see this movie come to fruition and do a bang-up job just to shut you up. Besides, if it fails we all have a decade or two to wait for the eventual remakes of this era. Just keep crankin' them out I say... and if you ask me their newfound light in emulating IM and TDK's direction/execution is nothing but a GOOD thing.
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means Venom survived the explosion at the end of spidey 3? does it also mean that he wont appear in spidey 4? because that would make no sense. i mean, his origin has been done... and venom without spider-man doesnt really work for me. i still say there should have been no venom in part 3. the scene in the church should have been the end of the movie. the church scene should be AFTER harry dies, accidently killed by Peter. THEN the sandman tells peter his uncle was an accident as well. peter, in the black suit.. having just killed his best friend by mistake while trying to kill the sandman, is overcome by grief... and the realization that there is a huge grey area between wrong and right, THEN he goes to the church. there would be no MJ kidnapping, its so overdone. brock becoming venom should have been the last thing we saw. and when the credits rolled.... there would have been complete chaos in the theater. everyone would be hyped up about the next one. not dreading it. i want a 30 minute shorter cut. hell, give me the movie and a good editing software and let me recut it.
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harry would forgive peter, peter would forgive old sandy.... Peter realizes "its the suit", and goes to ring the bells. and MJ is nowhere near them in the scene. last time we saw her... she got smacked in the jaw.so that means at the start of part 4 peter would have to try and win her back, and all of the sudden she has a mysterious stalker... who wants to eat her brains.
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Guys that would fit for Eddie Brock: Javier Bardem (uninterested, for sure), Brendan Fraser, Jason Statham...
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Brock Lesnar anybody? big dumb bodybuilder type in a black suit.... duh. of course, im not reaaaaly being serious here. it would be pretty easy to direct him though... considering he wouldnt need to learn his characters name. Sam would just just yell "hey Brock, action!" and he would smash tobey's face in. Sam would giggle.
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...You intend to "kickstart" a new franchise with an initial "reimagined" trilogy of "pre-sidequels" where we follow the Venom story arc, starting him out as a troubled but essentially decent fellow as we witness his tragic and unfortunate descent into evil, lending the character "depth" and "complexity"?
Fuck Venom and everyone involved with Spidey 3. Most of all fuck you, Sony, with your Scorpion King/Anakin/Thulsa Doom/T4 horseshit. -
called Scared Straight. Starring Nicolas Cage of all people!
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An edit function would kill AICN talkback.
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John Carpenter directing a new movie, much less being involved in anything, hasn't been good news since 1988.
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you know.. because every genre movie is going to be sold that way now...
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Come on, In The Mouth Of Madness had some cool bits, as did Cigarette Burns.
Also, and I know I will be kicked for this - I really like Vampires. Sue me. -
I would have cared. Sony sucks.
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Um, *cough*Shia*cough. Where've you been?
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Why did that shitty movie HAVE to come with my PS3?
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i dont usually flat out hate a movie, but spiderman 3 got me to that level of rage. and i loved the first 2. If 3 had just been Sandman and Harry, a 4th spidey would have been a brilliant way to do the venom storyline. Venom needs room to tell the story, and it also needs a director that wanted to do the character. Raimi is old skool spidey.... he's Lee and Ditko... Venom doesnt belong in that universe. a venom movie would be about as the elektra movie was, so shit then. GIVE THE RIGHTS BACK TO MARVEL!
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b/c 3 is weak. sony just had to have it's venom movie. sam should have been allowed to do his vision of 3 which had 1 villian and wasn't about sandman or venom. instead we got that weak ass sorry scripted gimp of a special effects thing called, "spider-man 3"
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You're right -- they had cool BITS.
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must fuckin kill you that were it not for the comic book geeks, hollywood would be both creatively and financially bankrupt
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Great news, thanks Paulseta.
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Massive B.O. flop
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Paz was right, except for some SCENES here and there, he's been trash since the early 90s
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and let the franchise return to it's owners.
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ruined a perfectly decent franchise. No matter what Sam does with SM4, the series will always have a dent in it. Topher Grace as a Eddie Brock??? WTF?
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will never work. It's going to be lamer than that Spawn movie. The stories of fucking alien goo and some unlike-able trash photographer isn't that interesting, you can't even write more than one movie for Venom (unless Sony is REALLY hellbent bringing in all the symbiote bullshit villains *cringes* Carnage).
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Am I right?
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Jul 31, 2008 6:51:00 AM CDT
This would seem a wise way to relaunch the killed film franchise
by smashing
Spider-man 3 really killed those films off, and ruined the first two with its Matrix sequel like suck-age, doing a different take would allow a new Spidey to be born, I hope they keep Raimi away from this with a large stick though.
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I'd rather watch a bad John Carpenter movie than a "good" Len Wiseman or Brett Ratner movie.
And Vampires is a damned fun movie.
But his second Masters Of Horror was awful (Pro Life). Felt like a mid day movie of the week or something. Even shot badly, which was weird. -
in the Thunderbolts.
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sm3 was a travesty, such a disappointment in a highly anticipated movie. vemon is not poular enough to be in his own movie as he is such a one dimensional character. sony give spidey back.
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Back when the whole "bad ass" "extreme" characters we're popular like Wolverine, Punisher, Spawn, and Lobo (who was actually a parody of these types but I don't think the fans got the joke.) Very few of these characters (with probably the exception of Wolverine) we're terribly deep and the genre like all dumb trends eventually subsided. I'm not entirely sure what audience this is for to be frank. -
Topher is awesome and you're a douche. (Not really, I don't know you enough to say you're a douche. But Topher IS awesome.) Topher Grace was the best part of That 70s Show. Followed immediately by ogling Mila Kunis. Or Laura Prepon, depending on your tastes. (Mila all the way for me)
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Totally, my friend. Were you as befuddled as I was when those rumors of a Lobo-centric Superman sequel were floating around? Lobo might make for a great movie, but the satire would be completely lost on your average Superman-going movie audience. I remember when the first DC vs Marvel happened and they actually had Lobo vs Wolverine. I saw that and shook my head. Lobo shouldn't be taking part in a serious universe cross-over. Because he's a f'n COMEDY character...
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Spider-man 3 sucked and now suddenly everyone hates Venom. There wasn't this much hate for him before Spidey 3 came out. Could it be that Raimi didn't understand the character and so fucked up his movie incarnation? I think so. He didn't even refer to himself as "we". There's no I in Venom, folks. Someone make a good Venom movie.
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...with men in tights already. Just because DK was a huge hit doesn't mean we aren't on the down side of this wave. In fact, DK set the bar so high, and Watchmen is going to be a cool deconstructionist sort of thing......B grade spandex vehicles are going to be doomed...
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Venoms sucks.
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.. idont care what all the stories say about it being a clever trick to throw off the fans, he obviously didnt wanna do it. all you have to do is watch the movie to see that. you cant force someone to make a film about a character they dont give 2 shits about. I think raimi acted childishly; making a movie that killed off the franchise, but kept sony happy enough that they stayed off his back.
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The symbiote will latch onto someone, be all evil and murderous at first, then suddenly the host will slowly start to take over and see himself as a protector of the innocent, he'll fight some villain that's even more disturbing than he is, then at the end he'll decide the symbiote is too much to handle, he'll cast it off, then the last shot will be of someone else finding it and it latching on to them, leaving it open for sequels. Spla-dow...how ya like me now.
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and THOR! and lets see...what else would be better than Venom? A complete reboot of Superman would be VERY COOL! And, of course, Batman III without Catman : )toodles!
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All Venom ever had going for him was a cool visual, and even that's over-rated. He's a profoundly uninteresting character. First there was Venom, then Carnage, then pink, yellow and orange venoms (really! http://tinyurl.com/57g4r) then a whole planet of symbiotes.
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Jul 31, 2008 8:49:38 AM CDT
When is Marvel going to take over the Spiderman franchise?
by mr slippy fist
Like they did for Iron Man and Hulk. After the abomination of Spiderman 3, it needs a reboot.
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Or Catwoman.
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I think when they actually get around to writing it in a couple of years, after the suckage of Terminator Salvation and maybe a couple of circus or carnie centered movies by Nolan, they'll use Harvey, their ace in the hole. Though they clearly meant for a 3 movie arc with Joker as the final-battle villain, they know plenty of pecker necks speculated that Harvey wasn't dead, and I think they re-edited Harvey's end after Ledger's death to leave that window open. They won't need a new villain.
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Comic book movies are headed in a perilous direction. This Venom shit is the clearest indicator I've seen. After a sub-par Hulk reboot that was really more nostalgia than substance, and a shitty Spider Man 3, it's clear to see that it's going downhill and will eventually experience a crash in viewer interest.
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And kill another movie. I get tired of hearing assholes saying that "Raimi sucks cuz' of Spider-man 3. Del Toro rules!" Spider-man 3 sucked only because of that shit character of Venom was forced into it by Sony and Avi Arad. I mean come on, THREE villains in one film? Venom sucks in the comics and he sucks on film just as much. Actually, he probably sucks on film even more.
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...gonna be a new guy the symbiote takes over (shades of Halle Berry's "Catwoman"... shudder!) Of course we all know this will suck like a super-massive black hole. The only way I'll go to see it is if it's a comedy wherein Venom gets together with a team of Marvel's other loser characters. Venom, Stegron the Dinosaur Man, Kangaroo, Leap Frog, the Stiltman... together for the first time as... The Lame-ass League!
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Unless you're up against the United States taxman. In which case, bet on the other guy.
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showing pompous Hollywood producers/execs that dark movies can do fine at the BO. Looking forward to the future...
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by Frank Miler. Get Clint Eastwood. It'd be AWESOME!!!!1111
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The only thing it has killed is any real connection to the comics. Bale is good as Wayne but shit as Batman. What the hell is up with that voice he's trying to do? The whole "real world" approach of everyone but Bats is really fucking stupid. No offense to Ledger, but he wasn't that fucking great either. TDK could have cut 30 min or more and still accomplished the same thing. It was ok, but nowhere near as good as the hype or worth the money it has made.
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was that other than the obvious, people were way too excited for that movie. Including myself. People were geeking out for a movie that didn't deliver. Remember when everyone thought it was going to be "dark" ?
"Oh my Gaawwwd SPIDERMAN 3! The black suit!"
"You think it'll be that good?"
"THE BLACK SUIT! UUNGH!"
"Yeah, but..."
"IT'S A BLACK SUIT! UUUUULLLGGG.... *fwap fwap fwap*
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Jul 31, 2008 9:52:50 AM CDT
Spiderman movies were SHIT. Venom will be the shit of shit.
by hint_of_smegma
You all know it to be true. Spidey 1 was alright in a lame sort of a way, 2 was a pile of poo and 3 was simply a mountain of shit pressing down on it's miserable viewers. Who the hell would actually go and see a crappy film about Venom?
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Jul 31, 2008 9:54:03 AM CDT
As I watched S3, I thought of that scene in Jay and Silent Bob
by irrelevntelefant
the one where they are filming "good will hunting 2". damon and affleck turn to van zant for direction and he is just counting a stack of cash I picture raimi doing pretty much the same on S3
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...done as a psychological thriller first and foremost. I.E.: make Brock a total headcase who thinks he's the last of the decent people, then use the symbiote just as a kicker to drive home how dangerous the combination of Brock/symbiote is as Venom. Can you imagine the threat level of a Hannibal Lecter with a symbiote? THAT is the movie I want to see this become.
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...assuming this project gets off the ground.
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let's hope the recent success of 'comic book movies treated as actual movies with decent scripts, actors and directors and not just excuses for special effects and chase sequences' derails the plan to make a Green Lantern movie starring Jack Black, aka the guy who makes dick and fart jokes look sophisticated. A serious Green Lantern movie would be absolutely awesome.
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Jul 31, 2008 10:18:30 AM CDT
A Hal Jordan GL movie would kick all sorts of ass...
by irrelevntelefant
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Was one of the best movies I've ever seen!
Unlike the first 2 movies, Spider-Man 3 isn't full of punching and fighting and running fast which leaves room for the things that true Spidey fans REALLY want to see, such as:
Love and Forgiveness
Mary-Jane singing (Two Songs!)
Peter Parker Crying
Harry Osbourne Crying
Harry Osbourne and Mary-Jane cooking an omlette whle dancing to Chubby Checker's "The Twist" (My favorite part)
The Sandman Crying
Eddie Brock Jr. Crying
Mary-Jane Crying
Aunt May Crying
Peter Parker doing an awesome "Revenge Jazz Dance" in one of those modern jazz clubs that Spider-Man fans love so much...this scene ended way too soon, unfortunately to make room for som fighting.
A fight scene between Peter and Harry (who is now riding one of those hover boards that McFly used in that other movie) where Peter doesn't even put on that silly costume so that we can see his wonderful facial expressions and mouth acting.
Peter's Aunt May also gets a lot more screen time in this installment, and she's always giving heartfelt advice. It's good to see a superhero movie finally giving some consideration to the "silver tops"!
Although, in this movie, the Venom substance makes Peter evil, which you can tell because he gets one of those "Emo" haircuts and a black suit – not just his Spidey suit, which turns black, but one of those suits you always see Paris Hilton's boyfriends wearing. And he walks down the street like a black person, and winks at girls a lot.
Also, I was very glad to see the whole plotline about the Sandman and his dying daughter was ignored at the end, as if it never happened. Summertime is for happy stories! A dying little girl belongs in an Oscar movie, am I right? -
I must be. I actually enjoyed him more than Toby McGuire in Spiderman 3.
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The problem I had with SM3 isn't that it lacked fighting; it was all the sappy stuff you mentioned, plus Venom felt shoehorned in. They should have eliminated either the Harry plot or Venom plot and saved it for another time. Instead they crammed it all in, between the scenes of people crying and talking about their feelings.
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You're not the only one who likes Topher Grace. I think he was one of the better things about Spiderman 3. I felt like he actually stole the scenes he was in.
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Don't forget Cable! He came back in time to show off his one million pockets.
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Hey, the Mummy 3 movies has - wait for, Abominable Snow monsers in it. Hulk had the Abomination in it. This is a banner summer for your namesakes!
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all I wanted was a spidey vs venom movie where we actually saw how venom was the opposite side of the coin to spidey, like Batman and the Joker. Instead he got a 5 minute part, did nothing cool, and couldnt even talk. How the sandman got more script time I dont understand. The top spidey villains are Doc Ock,Green Goblin, Vulture, Misterio, The Kingpin, the Lizard, Rhino..what happened to using them?!?
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popped up a few times during the pitch meeting for this...
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Jul 31, 2008 12:17:37 PM CDT
The Problem with Venom is that its not a good character with dep
by wowsah156
Venom has never proven himself to be deserving of his own comic. He was always an anti spider Man more than a original character. There was some interesting stuff about Brocks faith being tested after getting cancer but beyond that Venom is just a bland character. Spidey 3 proved this. sony will not make money off of Venom unless they go all horror on the character and have him doing the things The Punisher wouldnt do or have track down Carnage/Cassidy. Beyond that, meh.
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find a way to a adapt Warren Ellis' run on Thunderbolts, now. One of the best, most intricate, psychologically complex, kick-ass comic about villains out there right now, and non-Eddie Brock Venom is a major character. Of course, you'd have to work around the whole Civil War set up, but this would be awesome!!!
Dogmatic, I'm with you. I don't get the hate for SM3 either. Besides the train scene, I didn't get what was so great about SM2, as it was essentially SM1 with a different villain. SM3 did have great action sequences, funny stuff (say what you want about the 'dance' scenes, but a lot of that stuff felt like a love letter to the Silver Age Spidey), and a movie that actually showed some character development and was actually about something. Going back to the initial idea of Uncle Ben's death was a good one (and Church's performance as Sandman was excellent), and the themes of redemption and forgiveness were a nice departure from the whole father figure villain thing.
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Make it the Black Cat. It might turn out like that shitty Catwoman movie, but at least it would have skin-tight spandex and big boobs to distract us from the amount of suckage on screen.
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This sounds like just another one of those announced spinoffs from superhero movies that never come to pass. Either that, we'll get it ten years too late a rewritten so much that no one cares. Like Catwoman.
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It's giving a lot of very lame villains a good remaking, so they're not as lame as they once were. Mac Gargan's Venom is at least a little more intimidating than Brock's, because Gargan knows he's barely in control and might EAT SOMEONE, and he's freaked out that he kinda-sorta likes it. He can't cut loose because of the nanobots and because the Green fucking Goblin would kick his ass (We've seen Norman go ballistic a few times now. He's seriously fucked up, and seriously dangerous even without his gadgets).
I like that the recent artwork makes Norman look a little like Tommy Lee Jones, too. Even Nuclear Man is interesting in Thunderbolts. They all fucking hate each other, but have to play nice-- It's good writing for a lot of mid-tier characters that would have lingered in limbo otherwise.
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Todd McFarlane represents everything that was shitty about comics in the 90's. I started reading comics in the early eighties, and gathered a lot of the best 70's stuff over the course of my comic fandom. I gave it up around the same time I started noticing girls, around the same time that McFarlane was laying his filthy hands on my beloved industry.
First, he ruined Spiderman. For some reason, kids actually liked his ridiculous scratchy over-detailed crap drawings, inventing muscles and drawing every body/face exactly the same, male and female, no style but lots of it, no care given to actual draftmanship, perspective, anatomy, or any of the things illustrators have taken for granted as the basis of what makes even comic art 'good'. Then the suits decided to give him some power of his own, because the slackjaws were buying, and he invented one of the most disgusting, derivative, and stupid characters ever seen in comics- Spawn. Spawn is just...gross. He's suburban angst. He's Insane Clown Posse. He's trash.
McFarlane is a talented businessman, though, I'll give you that. He took his 'revenge of the nerd' ambition and became a millionaire by turning the comics industry into his own personal running toy commercial, just like saturday morning cartoons. I guess in a way it's a good thing that McFarlane was the harbinger of doom for mainstream comics in the 90's, it prompted underground comics to fill the gap, and opened opportunities for young artists who had to simply be better than McFarlane (not a difficult task, apparently) to make a name for themselves.
I still miss the comics of old though, Claremont, Byrne, George Perez, Art Adams, Alan Davis, John Romita, John Romita Jr., Walt Simonson, Barry Windsor-Smith,... See, I may not have talent, but at least I can recognize it. You? Not so much. -
I really enjoyed the entire series up until then. Now Im left with a terrible taste in my mouth, even when I go back and watch 1,2. Spiderman 3 sucked donkey dick, fucked everything 1 and 2 worked for, and had some of the fucking lamest scenes I have ever seen in my life. What a shit movie. Note to Raimi: work on perfected the story before making some bs eye candy action scenes to try and make the audience forget about how shit your movie is.
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Without Venom this time please. Venom sucks.
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...Neill Cumpston's "mom" reviewing Spidey 3? It's one of the funniest and most scathing moments in AICN history.
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the clown from that god awful Spawn movie.
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so, spidey 4 is apparantly go for 2011...any news on if the original cast and director are coming back? Cause if they are then i aint interested...
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I never thought I'd get tired of the concept but all of a sudden I'm started to feel more than a little depressed by this glut of superhero movies. Some have been great but its killing the variety of films out there. And Venom is just an idea that should not be entertained anymore. He's not even that good of a character, more of a whiney prick who's somewhat delusional of his status. Now that Dark Knight is so huge Warner Bros is going to go overboard too.
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sequels or spinoffs. Raimi fucked up Venom. Yeah, he doesn't like the character. But he has enough pull that he could have done something and possibly-POSSIBLY MIND YOU-to save Spidey 3 from ending up a Uwe Boll tribute film. I agree with the idea of having a Venom badass; The Leathal Protectr! I would love to see a superhero movie where murder is his style of "justice" while scaring the shit out of every one. An R rated would be perfect for a Venom movie---IF done right! Damnit! That is ALWAYS the question; IF DONE RIGHT! Well there is proof when done right, people will come: IRON MAN proved it, then THE DARK KNIGHT just made that a fucking fact!
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What I didn't like most about SM3 was NOT the dancing. I mean, sure it was lame but hardly deal breaking. It was the treatment of Mary Jane in the movie, and the whole amnesia thing that really lost it for me. Did anyone else's theater explode with applause when Spidey slapped her?
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It's got it's flaws, but it's hardly 'Batman & Robin'!
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...that one ain't happening. The one that worries me is Seth Rogen (Mr. Chiba-Smokin'-Lovable-Slob-Character) doing Green Hornet.
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...Pregnant, fat-assed Gwen Stacy. Sandman seemingly unable to do anything with his powers other than make a big sand fist or turn into a cloud of dust... also, Sandzilla. Venom thrown in during the last 15 minutes. The conversation between Venom and Sandman that was like, "Hi Sandman, I'm Venom. Because of bad editing, you don't even know me at all... but let's kill Spider-Man together." Mary Jane going from rising supermodel to singer/waitress in a shitty restaurant because of one bad review. If the restaurant gets a bad review, what's next for her? Porn? Symbiote with no back story just falling out of the sky and landing 5 feet from Peter's scooter. Not nearly enough Elizabeth Banks!
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This news made me remember Spider-Man 3. I had forgotten that nightmare! Why did you make me remember it? Waaaaa
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Topher > Masterson > Mila > Fez > Ashton > Prepon.
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Vampire$ might have been mediocre (ok, it kinda did suck a lot even though Woods is quite hilarious throughout)...but it is true that after Mouth, JC hasn't done shit worth shit. That fucking Ice Cube ghosts on mars movie was the fucking ridiculous and actually made me question the man's talent (for about 5 minutes until I put in Big Trouble in Little China and had a blast yet again! {that movie never gets old}).As for Venom, I agree with the posters above who said the church scene should have been the epilogue of Spidey3 and then 4 could have had Venom. But Venom hate aside...I'd really really like to see the Lizard for Lee's sake! From the very first one, Dylan Baker has been putting in the work (excellent work in fact, even if only tiny bits and pieces) and he deserves his day in the Spidey sun. Plus, of the very few Spidey comics I've read, Lizard was always one of the kewler villains and had a good origin story. Give us Lizard...then maybe Kraven and then come back to Venom. Spidey 3 wasn't absolute shit but it was quite crappy in parts and Venom is poorly realized. Carnage certainly looks interesting but if you guys say he sucks...well then I'm sure we'll be seeing him as the villain in the new Venom movie!
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popular because they were comic book superhero movies. They're popular because they are well-directed, exciting movies with well-cast characters we care about. The superhero aspect is not that important. It's the "good" part of these movies that audiences tend to care about.
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and people complained, so they gave him his own movie and even more people complained. I was kid in the early 90s, so I liked all those anti-heroes...Wolverine, Gambit, Cable, Bishop, Deadpool. A Venom film could be cool.
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true that
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I'm not advocating a spin off here at all, simply because I don't see why it would be necessary. But wouldn't Sandman be a much more logical character to follow, rather than Venom? For one, he's still alive and on the run, you don't have to come up with some non-comic based story where the symbiote ends up on someone else. Besides, Sandman is just a much more interesting character. He's a run of the mill super villain in the classical sense (more interested in robbing banks than doing dastardly deeds), yet he's conflicted and sometimes does the hero thing (he's been back and forth in the comics several times, including a stint on the Avengers.) Plus, Sandman's powers just offer all sorts of visual fun that Venom won't. Venom's just a monsterous version of Spider-Man. We've seen everything he can do onscreen from Spidey already...aside from biting heads off.
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Way to quote the guy who got fired for his Fantastic four 2 review that was funny shit but you forgot to state that your a 65 year old mother who saw it instead of her son.
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Is if they go with Mac Gargan as the new Venom like in the comics. Maybe feature Scorpion as one of the villains in SPIDER-MAN 4, and then at the end have him hook up with the symbiote. Despite my general distaste these days for this franchise, I really might look forward to seeing Carnage on screen.
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Nobody wants to see a Venom sequel.
Make the fucking Silver Surfer movie with a GOOD director who gives a shit and knows what he's doing. [And gives us the REAL Galactus, not a fucking cloud].
I want some Kree/Skrull War action. I want the Surfer whipping through a cosmic spacescape.
FUCK VENOM!
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they could make Venom a really gritty movie and it would have an awesome intro/backstory with Gargan. Carnage is the obvious villain.
And the FF movies sucked because of Tim Story. They need to let someone else take over on that series. The skrulls would be an excellent way to go for a third film. -
Wasnt that rutger hauer movie Split Second kind of a pseudo-Venom movie?? The monster looked just like venom.. Even that shit was better than spiderman 3..btw,Deadlock is another badass Rutger hauer movie.
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I cant think of anything i liked about spiderman 3..not even that weak ass sandman character everyone kept praising.
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After Spiderman 3, even with completely different cast and crew, a lot of people will just see this as a continuation of that shitty Venom. Even I will be unwilling to see it. They'll have to do a real good job.
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Pretty sure this movie no matter the star is going to be no dark knight...Sony does not have the nerve to make it the dark and haunting film it needs to be...no way no how do I faith in them...have you seen spiderman 3...nuff said.
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The report doing play-by-play announcements during the climatic fight.. "will this be the end of spidermnan?" The sandman and venom teaming up to kill spiderman then sandman saying "oops, my bad" and blowing away in a breeze.
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The 3 musical numbers...... GAY!!!!
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OK, I'm done now.
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I know I'm way late on this response so maybe it won't even get read but... Sidepocket I was not comparing Spidey 3 to Dark Knight. I recognize Dark Knight is superior filmaking...I saw it 3 times already...but the greatness of Dark Knight does not make Spidey 3 suck! It stands still as my favorite Spidey movie and now 2nd favorite superhero movie tied with Iron Man with Dark Knight holding #1 now. Though I hope Watchmen smashes all of them to take #1!!!! Brainfart, I wasn't saying the "Raindrops keep falling on my head" didnt work. I liked it fine....I was just saying TO ME it came off far goofier than the jazz dance which I felt totally fit the film in that moment.
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just a rumor, yet more worthy of a talkback than news about venom movie.
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J. Michael Stracinszky did not ruin spiderman.If you take away the strange spidergod story the characters were very well written.A certain minority of gay fanboys believed he did a bad job cause he didn't write about the normal villain vs hero Marvel crap, but unlike the films Peter Parker and Mary Jane WERE as we know and love them and Spiderman's foes were some of the most interesting in a long long time...he actually addresed the fact that there ARE very human bad guys in New York and they don't wear bloody tights or have world domination on their minds...
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"Revenge Jazz Dance"
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