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It's ROBOCOP vs. Reimaginatron!!
Merrick here...
There's recently been a lot of talk that MGM's resurrection of the ROBOCOP franchise would be a continuation of previous films.
In an interview with MTV, Producer Producer Brad Fischer and Co-producer Mike Medavoy say this is not the case...likening the Darren Aronofsky directed project to BATMAN BEGINS.
Asked where in the series the fourth film would fall, whether it would come after the first, second or third films in the series' internal universe, Fischer and Medavoy were adamant that it would stand on its own, apart from the character's earlier incarnations.
"None of [the earlier films are] going to be canonical, as a matter of fact," Fischer revealed. "I wouldn't say it's a direct sequel."
"Definitely not a sequel," Medavoy added, saying he preferred the term "reimagining."
...says THIS POST at MTV.
In a separate post on MTV's Movie Blog (HERE), Medavoy indicates the plan at this time is to generate an 'R' rated film - which will presumably encapsulate the ultra-violent excess advanced by earlier ROBO installments.
A little bird once told me that, in the early days of this reboot attempt, consideration was briefly given to drafting Paul Verhoeven to shepherd the franchise's transition into the new millennium. Seems The Powers That Be didn't consider him relevant enough, and felt some 'hotter' talent should be brought in..."like Len Wiseman".
So, anyone uncertain about Aronofsky's attachment to this project (I have mixed feelings about it myself) can take heart. The situation could be much more dire.
Asked where in the series the fourth film would fall, whether it would come after the first, second or third films in the series' internal universe, Fischer and Medavoy were adamant that it would stand on its own, apart from the character's earlier incarnations.
"None of [the earlier films are] going to be canonical, as a matter of fact," Fischer revealed. "I wouldn't say it's a direct sequel."
"Definitely not a sequel," Medavoy added, saying he preferred the term "reimagining."
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Another great idea from Hollyweird.
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I now hate myself
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I know I shouldn't be, but I'm actually looking forward to it.
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Not only did it contain the word "reimagining" but the line "felt some 'hotter' talent should be brought in..."like Len Wiseman".I just shit myself in pure fear.
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...and that was basically a ripoff of Tetsuo the Iron Man, but with math. Requiem... was a buffoonish look at drug addiction and The Fountain was a trip to the new age bookstore in movie form. Here's hoping he surprises me with this one.
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"Non of the earlier films are canonical"
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Sounds pointless, useless and various other things ending with 'less'. Sure, Aranofsky's makes it more of a curiosity piece than it otherwise would have been, but this still feels about as good an idea as Robocop 3. And ignoring Verhoeven's original Robocop? That's an element of stupidity that not even Robocop 3, the shitty tv series and that horrible miniseries succumbed to doing. Just...wow.
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Jul 30, 2008 7:54:36 AM CDT
I don't know how much worse it could be....
by nomoredirtyjokespleaseweareyanks
Aranofsky has talent that's for sure, but for fucks sake this needs no reboot. If you must ignore the past then whats the fuckin point. The first Robocop is more relevant now than when it was first concieved. It's easy guys, do a Singer, except ignore part 2 & 3. Rerelease Robocop(hey even clean up the FX, after all I still own the original), and hey presto, a new franchise with a perfect first movie.
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This is fucking great! DARREN ARONOFSKY! FUCKING R RATED! AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RATED! This is going to fucking rock. This is perfect. FUCKING PERFEC! I was pissed at first because this is something that could easily have been fucked up by the studios, but so far they are on the right track.
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As for casting? I dont know the character too well...but off the top of my head...Jude Law.
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Should be in this film
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another day in an aicn talkbacks,where the boys again havent read the full article.
the producer says,it will be more like a direct sequel to the original movie.
a reimagined sequel,a requel that is.just like superman retuns supposed to be.damn girls,read before you argue... -
Hope Aronofsky can steer this away from the shit pile.
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...more action and thrills... but somehow suckier anyway.
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"None of [the earlier films are] going to be canonical, as a matter of fact," Fischer revealed. "I wouldn't say it's a direct sequel."
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Let's "reimagine" Robocop in a black leather and plastic jumpsuit... and be sure to accentuate the crotch and nipples. And instead of a gun, give him a sword... and instead of the character being a man, make it a woman... better yet, an asian woman... and set the film in Tokyo instead of Detroit and...
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Not a chance, they'll get scared about giving Aronofsky the huge budget for the ideas he comes up with and boot him off late in the day so they can bring in a hack like Ratner or Wiseman last minute (read that as always the plan) and score a PG-13. And Verhoeven's film not relevant - the brilliance of RoboCop is its ability to remain so relevant! I like Aronofsky and some of David Self's work (though let's remember he wrote the 1999 The Haunting!) but this re-whatever is a hideous idea. Oh and Medavoy, noone prefers the word "reimagining" it generally strikes more fear into the heart than remake, douchebag!
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i smell quality!
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Fuck it
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It's a simple idea, but there are a bajillion ways to fuck it up. I just hope he isn't web 2.0ified... that would suck. Unless, of course, he accessed it with a huge metal spike sticking out of his hand.
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Isn't that the one with the guy who eats rudimentary gruel? I turned it off after that. Kiddie shit.
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Also, an R Rating isn't all that and a bag of potato chips when it comes to Robocop. What worked with Robocop back then is they created a futuristic society that actually resembled a futuristic society. How do they pull that off today? By throwing in a bunch of useless gadgets? By adding a bunch of BDOs to an already recognizable skyline? Or, are they just going to play it in modern day Detroit?
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The Matrix had gruel, Robocop had "rudimentary paste" AND baby food. And nobody cares about your blog.
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He's moved on to better things than dealing with snot-nosed douchebag studio types. Aronofsky sort of redeems the whole situation a little, I definitely trust him far more than Wiseman.
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Thats coz Robocop3 is prettey damn shit, 2 is ok to good and Robocop1 is one of the best SciFi/Action movies of all time.. As for these 2 producers. I havent wanted to kick shit out of someone so much in a long time did someone really pick Len Wiseman of Verhoven? And a Fuckin REBOOT? how are they gonna top the scene were Murphy dies or Clarance and his crew who are without a doubt one of the best gang of baddies in the 80s, Isnt there no way we can start something to get Verhoven off the Thomas Crown Affair 2 and take back his fuckin baby??
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I second no one caring about Flemming's blog.
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Jul 30, 2008 8:36:52 AM CDT
Len Wiseman Is Definitely Hotter Than Paul Verhoeven
by troutmaskreplicant
I was looking at pictures of them both and my expert opinion is that Len Wiseman would definitely make more money selling his body on the streets of L.A.
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...knock off. Just trying to cash in on the current popularity of dudes in bitchin metal duds...
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Buffonish? You sir, are an idiot.
Requiem for a Dream is one of the single finest movies I have ever seen.
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toss that guy out of the back of a van quick!
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"Was fired from TV guide, and Comingsoon.net, and now I am on blogspot!" I am shocked! But he'd also make more money than Verhoeven on the streets of L.A.
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Seriously, if they really want to bury this movie before it starts, get George Lucas to add all CGI, some monkeys, Ewoks, and walkie talkies instead of guns. The movie will make 300 million and it will be more kid friendly!!! No thanks. I'll take my Robocop from 1987.
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... one arrogant twat to say that none of the earlier films are canonical. Kiss my ass.
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Hotten compiled lists of slang.
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Robocop in name only. Hollywood, just come up with your own fucking ideas already! What's gonna happen in the next 10 years? Copies of copies? And I believe this is the beginning of the end of what could have been a brilliant career for Aronofsky.
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VERHOEVENS COCK, plus hes Dutch, you knows them guys are kinky.
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"Daddy, when I grow up can I be a producer like you and piss on people's careers?"
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Aronofsky didn't say that. His two producers said that. In an earlier interview, Aronofsky said this would be 20 years or so after the last one. So I'm not sure if everyone is on the same page.
Either way, people seem to forget that Aronofsky pushed for the Batman "reboot" and did a bunch of pre-production work on what eventually became Batman Begins.
Everyone agrees that was the best remake/reboot of all time. Given Aronofsky's involvement in that, I think he should get some slack with this one until we learn some more details. -
...proved he can still make excellent movies with 'Zwartboek'. Well, at least he proved it to me. It was a return to previous covered grounds for him, yes, but it was expertly made, entertaining, and more surprising than anything to come out of Hokeywood for the past year. So I say give Verhoeven back his Robocop. If he 'Starship Troppers' it up for this decade, it could be awesome.
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Is like Laurel and Hardy starring in a Lethal Weapon remake...
None of these two have any kind of skill or record in making a extreme R rated action movie with multiple subtexts...Wiseman makes and writes kid movies and Aronofsky makes movies that are slow paced mind trips at best...he could remake Verhoeven's the 4th man, which is the only movie of Verhoeven that resembles what Aronofsky is doing.
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"Bitches Leave" is in the new script I'm good. Best one liner ever.
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It was the shit-tastic Planet of the Apes remake. sorry.. "reimagining."
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yeah thats like saying "lets ignore Lucas for the next star wars film".......wait...that may actually be a good idea lol
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Well maybee not if Aronfunky does it but i hold THe original in the same High esteem as stuff like Alien, American Werewolf and The Thing so the only way I'd ever be OK with this is if Vorhoven did it and even then I'd be scared pissless it was gonna suck like a Lucas!
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This "reimagination" wont even come close to touching the satire of the original Robocop. and the violemce in it was grim and brutal. Cant see it even being replicated decently.
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I love how the first thing every hopeless nerd who learns to unlink audio and video in editing software does is find their favourite piece of footage and lay down the Requiem For A Dream music over it. Nothing makes me click away from your video clip faster than if it has that fucking music over it.
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no stilized, modernized, on with the times shit, i can already see them.... "the robocop suit has been enhanced with nipples and stylized lines cause we know the fans wanted to see something new for robocop.."
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Doing ninja moves and acrobatics, with Batman-like gadgets and toys.
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Protect the Innocent
Uphold The Law
Jump On The 'ME TOOOO MENTALITY' bandwagon for Batman reboots
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The man is a genius as long as you stop him making porno, and he's far more relevant than Wiseman or Aronofsky. Seriously, if this film is a fucking mess it will be directly down to the lack of Verhoeven.
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You are soooo right.
I just hope that regardless of who directs it, it gets a writer with the subversive wit of Edward Neumeier (co-wrote RC and wrote the screenplay for Starship Troopers)
Otherwise it's gonna bi another generic cyborg sci-fi film - YAWN!
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And his mad ten or so years in Hollywood was one of the things that kept mainstream movies edgy (not just graphically, but politically) during the fairly soft 80s / 90s. Robocop and Starship Troopers being highlights. The latter is STILL relevant. This 'reimagining' nonsense fucks me off.
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The 'director' who got VERY lucky. He is a hack. Nothing appealing at all about his direction. Great. Lucky bitch gets to bang Beckensale though.
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to declare all previous movies as 'non-canonical' ?
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at making fine movies out of pulp-material. Cant wait to see something that is both full of action and mayhem and is cleverly executed too.
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Reimagining. Great. Oh well, maybe they can breathe new life into the character. It's all the rage after Batman Begins. At least it's Aronofsky.
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isn't suitable for licking dog shit off Paul Verhoeven's penny-loafers.
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I don't see any difference. This new Robocop film is just another remake in a long, shitty line of '80s remakes.
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Clarence Boddiker said it best
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then they better the fuck hire Rob Bottin.
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no costume
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That's how I feel about this scenario. If it's a sequel and they ignore one or even both sequels, it would blow. Re-making/re-imagining the movie, will also blow. Option C, leave it alone, would've been best.
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... I loved that line, two. The dad from That Seventies Show (sorry, I forget the actor's name and am too lazy to look it up on imdb) plays a great villain. In fact, when I watch reruns of T70sS, I always expect him to pull out an assault rifle and blow Fez away.
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Verhoeven was ahead of the times with some of his films, especially Robocop. Sadly, he's still ahead of the times as we seem to be moving backwards again.
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If all that's true then they are only cashing in on the Robocop name.
Batman is still Batman regardless of the world that he is in, but Robocop will only be a generic action guy with bionic enhancements if his true origin is ignored.
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Characters like Batman and James Bond, existed for years in book/comic book form, or serials and television shows (early Casino Royale with Barry Nelson). The motion picture is just another medium for that character to exist in. So, a "reboot" like Batman Begins or Casino Royale, is much like adapting Shakespeare to a different era.
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Jul 30, 2008 9:56:24 AM CDT
Aronofsky is probably just trying to make some coin...
by hollywoodsummers
to keep up his big budget lifestyle of being married to Rachel W. Kinda sucks he'd sink into remaking something from the damn 80's!
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It was a good, quintessentially 80's movie. To bring it into a contemporary setting might bring some new fans into it, but old fans are never going to be satisfied. We saw this clearly demonstrated in Transformers talkback last year.
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Winner gets the allspark.
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Wasn't that the same logic behind Zombie's Halloween? To remove the bad taste of all the useless sequels that followed the brilliant original?
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Jul 30, 2008 10:03:40 AM CDT
I would like to see a Robocop, Ronald D. Moore style.
by cotton mcknight
Just have him look like a regular guy.
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...that a modern OCP-like corporation would come up with a design as clunky and slow as the Robocop we know and love.
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Played Clarence, I could not watch That 70's Show for the longest time because I could not picture bad ass Clarence Boddiker as a goofy dad, but i did eventually watch it and he was great in that show.
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its getting ridiculous hearing EVERY single producer name-drop Nolan and The Dark Knight into attempts to reboot everything. Plus all this trash about staying true the mythology, making it canon/non canon and all that trash.
Robocop could be read either as a dirt simple '80's shoot em up or a delicious satire with blood on the side. I don't believe this reboot will aspire to either of those qualities, bar making cheap 'wink wink we are making fun of the consumerism of the average starbucks goer' jibes, so I'm not interested.
Favourite scene in virtually any movie came through Robocop 2. Robocop gets trashed. A dumb schmuck of a committee puts him back together again, ignoring his simple original program and stuff him with over 200 directives - none of which serve any distinct purpose and many of which contradict each other. Robocop goes nuts and attempts suicide in order to wipe his memory.
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Jul 30, 2008 10:15:33 AM CDT
I just watched this again last night on Starz or some shit...
by cletus van damme
...and I'll be damned if Miguel Ferrer's (sp?) little work buddy is none other than Colin Powell!
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The original is a classic that I watch once every few months. And yes a remake can be a scary prospect. But they already assured us an R rating. "300" and "The Dark Knight" have proven that "DARKER" movies can find mainstream success. And as shitty as I found "Wanted" to be, it proved that the R rated action movie can make a killing. So why all the talk of neutering the source material? Aronofsky is a good director. He has a good sense of style. And regardless if you like his brand of filmmaking or not, "Requiem for a Dream" is a great fucking movie. The story alone and acting hit home.This remake is in better hands that what could have been. Also it's not a Fox production, so that is a plus. Fox seemingly ruins any genre property they get their hands on.But I don't get the sudden Aronofsky hatred. And I don't get why people are against this remake. The series was already damaged by part 3, so a reboot is the only way to go. And it's not like the original will suddenly vanish.
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It's funny to see people bitch about how the "Satire and social commentary of the original will be lost". When this is the same site where talkbackers found the obvious and ridiculous "Social Commentary" of "Land of the Dead" to be brilliant and relevant. "The scene with the burning money in the parking lot signifies the corruption of capitalism!" Gimme a fucking break. I'm sure with Darren at the helm we will get the same kind of bite that the original had.
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RAMBO is the obvious reason why.
If not Stallone, then Cronenberg.
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. . . than Nolan creating a new Batman series? I'm looking forward to it w/ Aranofsky on board. Like when I thought he was getting Batman. Although I think they should have the guts to just give it a new title. The first RoboCop rules and will always be there on the shelf for you to watch.
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PWNED!!
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With Dwayne Johnson as Ben Richards and Sofia Vergara asd Amber Mendez.
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Yea, I would even take a 'new' Robocop in a different city, based on the Detroit/OCP project. Or the Singer approach would atleast give us a mix of what we want and what they want. Just no Robo-Baby with Officer Lewis.
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I might not hate the idea of Dwayne Johnson as Robocop, actually. If you're going for different, that's definitely it.
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and replace it with the more descriptive "Planet Of the Aping".
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Is there any way we can get this back for Verhoeven, I had high hopes when it was just a sequal, but a fuckin Reboot, Its pointless Im usually not as.... aaaa I cant even be assed explainin my views I hope the whole of fuckin MGM gets fucked right up the ass and gets a horrible type of superaids that rots their fuckin genitals slowly and painfully aaaaa fuckit GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKERS
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Turn any of my other henchmen into toxic waste and I'LL PUT MY FOOT UP YOUR ASS!
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...and Shia LaBeouf will take him into custody so that he can escape for the sequel. Oh, and Howie Mandel will play the "I'll buy that for a dollar!" guy.
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I would rather watch a Uwe Boll movie than any of Len Wiseman's so-called films.
But you know what, when a film is a classic, no remake can ever harm it. Does anyone even remember Burton's Planet of the Apes? Fuck no. When you mention Planet of the Apes to anyone they say things like "get your filthy paws of me you damn dirty ape!" or "damn you all to hell!" It's because the original is untouchable and will endure. The same is the case with Robocop. -
Robocop stands outside Lewis' house for half the movie in standby mode listening to her shack up with the bad ass black police chief guy.
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I'll judge it when I see it, as long as the reviews and trailers provide enough interest. With "IRON MAN", we fans were informed of the process and of key decision making, which I think helps continue interest. That is, as long as smart choices are made in the journey of making a flick.
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With a techno remix of 'Circle of Life' playing in the background?
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(trumpet fanfare) da da da daaaa , da da da daaaaa....
(pulls head off revealing skull)
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ROBOCOP was originally a movie, an original thought (except for the part where they stole ideas from the JUDGE DREDD comics.), it's not like it's a comic or book or stageplay they are readapting.
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That "Lux Aeternia" or whatever needs to be banned from all trailers, student films, wherever along with Samuel Barber's "Adagio for Strings", Carl Orff's "Carmina Burana" "The Flower Duet" from the Opera "Lakme", "Battle without Honor or Humanity", etc etc etc. There are thousands of great pieces of music to choose from - stop playing the same dozen over and over.
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It's all about marketing and nothing else. Name recognition. That's all they care about, and its why they're scrambling like crazy to get this crap out before people forget even the names of these movies.
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I think he can deliver
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Judge Dredd is the perfect example of a film that could do with a remake - a good concept that went terribly wrong in the execution. And, on a sidenote, just how weak must that Mickey Rourke Wrestler movie that Aaronfsky just finished be for him to be running to a safe, big budget remake. And people once compared Darren to David Fincher...
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Shit on a classic count me out. Save this for apologist
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The original skewered the yuppie mentality, corporate politics, the privitization of public services (Blackwater a current example), commercialization of culture (BIGGER is BETTER), the list goes on. The concept of the soul of a cyborg was explored fully, and it was a kick ass action film to boot. The effects still hold up today, with nice, just enough matte work. And would a CG ED be any better than the expressive stop-motion work?Verhoeven's brilliant choice of the Murphy/Robocop POV during the "transformation". Rob Bottin's melting man, and the great design of the suit itself. My favorite is the slab of Wellers face attached to the robo-skull. So how can any of this be improved or rethought?
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Did you get a load of those choppers on the purple-backless dressed chick? Baba Booey to you all!
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"YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COME UP WITH SOME BETTER IDEAS, YOU FUCKING COKEHEADS!"
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They actually think of this turd as a viable new talent? Christ. Live Free or Die Hard was barely watchable. How this clown landed Kate Beckinsale I'll never know.
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Isn't it more accurate to say "our film doesn't exist in the Robocop canon?"
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I trust him implicitly. The only director I've ever had more faith in was Stanley Kubrick, and given time and complete creative freedom, I think Aronofsky will eventually match the late great master of cinema.
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First off any producers or studio heads who think they can just push Paul Verhoeven aside have got another thing coming. The guy is one of the best filmmakers working...Ever. And as much as Iiked Requiem The Fountain is one of the worst films I've ever seen. I am EXTREMELY nervous about Robocop in his hands or anyone else's.
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Jul 30, 2008 12:02:26 PM CDT
I'm so damn tired of hearing "we'll do it like Batman Begins"
by prezmike
After proving they have no imagination to think of something new and interesting to do, they try to re-do an old franchise that didn't need any re-doing by imitating another imaginative franchise reboot, which had depth and was successful.
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This guys aren't producers, they're cannibals. This movie will hurt peoples careers by being the very definition of the term "wasted opportunity." It's not too late to make a good Robocop sequel, guys.
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Do you guys start considering anything that doesn't crack your top ten films to be among the ranks of "the worst films ever made"? How The Fountain is anybody's idea of one of the "worst films ever made" is either somebody who hasn't seen many movies or who speaks in absurd hyberole.I mean, seriously, the thing was like one long Fantasia sequence. WTF? Sorry if it didn't give you some groundbreaking new outlook on life like everybody who hates it seems to have been expecting. Or people who hate it because it was positive and pretty.I'll also add that I actually do think Aranofsky is the wrong choice for this project, but maintain that everybody should get off his back for The Fountain.
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I never got the appeal of this guy. His movies are snore fests filled with symbolism (which actually makes it worst). I agree that they should stop comparing every re-boot to 'Batman Begins'. BB was a lucky break, an awesome break, and the last BOND movie was excellent too. But it doesn't mean it will always work.
There will only be one RoboCop. This version will be a deep,introspective, yet stylistic, 3 hour sleeping pill that's PG-13.
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And rolling thunder sounds like the name of a DTV Steven Segal flick...
Or the subtitle of the Point Break sequel..
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although I'm not sure how you figured it out. What I was able to figure out is that if you know anything about Mr. Weller's penis, then the likelihood is that HE, in fact, is the one who did the fucking. Thank you.
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I bet I scared you too, didn't I? But that's what I do. Because I am the Terminator!PWNED!!
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Dude, sorry, but the expensive stop motion looks like shit by today's standards. It does NOT hold up. In fact, it's one of the only true distractions watching the film today.
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True. That effect was dated even by the time of the films 1987 release. ESB might be the last flick to properly employ the effect within a proper context. I agree that the original could use a little bit of tweaking, but just the same, I would leave ED-206 as Stop Motion, since it really works for a robot menace. If only they could refine what appears on the screen, somehow Just so it doesn't appear so disjointed next to the rest of the footage.
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I agree. At least Sly doesn't completely remake Rocky or Rambo just because a bad movie was made and some time has passed. As for the regurgitators of this future vomit: You probably don't think I'm a very nice guy... do ya?
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Given time and complete freedom (and lets call that what it is - a limitless budget) Michael Cimino put out "Heaven's Gate", William Friedkin put out "Sorceror" and Steven Spielberg put out "1941". And for the record, some of Stanley Kubricks best films, The Killing and Killer's Kiss, were made with no time and very little budget while "Eyes Wide Shut" had a relatively huge budget and was a lesser work by anybody but the myopic's standards. As the story of Jaws well bears out, frequently the greatest pieces of art are made under the most trying of circumstances.
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James Bond, Terminator, this. I'd like to see the Batman Begins of Police Academy next. Or the Batman Begins of Child's Play, and he only becomes a doll at the end. Or Popeye Begins.
But I'm not gonna get upset about this. OF COURSE Verhoeven doing it would be better, but I could sense the Robocop remake before they even announced it and I would've figured they'd get some director for hire. Instead they get an auteur type and say from the beginning that it will be "similar in tone" to the original. So far so good.
And I know you guys can connect absolutely anything to George Lucas but in this case that doesn't fly. There is already a Robocop movie ten times worse than the George Lucas movies you complain about. In fact, your precious Monster Squad dude is responsible for that piece of garbage. And Mr. Sin City has his name on it too (although he has disavowed it). Anyway the grave has already been desecrated, so this stands a chance of repairing it a little.
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Jul 30, 2008 12:47:49 PM CDT
Half-a-billion bucks domestic gross is a helluva incentive
by jackrabbitslim
And I woulda shit all over Paul Verhoeven (anyone remember "Hollow Man"?) if it weren't for "Black Book". Dyed pubes ... mmmm.....
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Who the hell are these guys and why are they Producers? Young MBA jerks who think they know how to make a movie, err..money? What kind of idiot would "prefer" the term reimagining? Aren't they aware that every film fan worth his/her salt knows that it's just another word for RIP-OFF!? What happened to all the good Producers? Dead or retired, I guess. These people don't care about making a good movie, all they care about is getting rich. Well, they aren't getting my money. And f-ck you to anyone who pays into these assholes accounts and encourages them to continue with more rip-off remakes. You know who I blame? Teenagers and most of Middle-America. Now, that's not to say that dumbass rednecks don't exist in all parts of the country, just that there's more there than anywhere else who love wrestling and incest and going to see a reimagining of Robocop. A movie that was originally too smart for them, but now panders to their simple devolved minds.
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"The only Aronofsky I liked was Pi." Wow. You're so hip and cool. You're probably one of those "Bottle Rocket was the best Wes Anderson movie" people, too.
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Nipples and flames
Nipples and flames
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People say "The Fountain" is terrible and then proceed to shit on Aronofsky and then say that they want Verhoeven back. The same guy that made Hollow Man AND Showgirls. Verhoeven made 2 great films in my opinion (Robocop and Total Recall) everything else he has done was just OK. You guys are way too funny. You get an acclaimed director taking over a genre movie that could have been given to Paul WS Anderson or Len Wiseman and you STILL bitch. Even if Stanley Kubrick was resurrected to direct this you probably all still be pissed because "Eyes Wide Shut was THE WORST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE!!!". Please.
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effect in a major movie before digital took over, and the slightly clunky look worked for the oversized robot. Always love the stairway scene, where its foot feels the step before falling, then stomps like a spoiled child. But yes, I agree some of the background plates are a bit grainy.
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You think Hollywood will actually starting putting more thought and initiative into actually making more intelligent films with an actual plot, good directing, script, acting, etc., i.e. movies that actually LIVE up to the hype and aren't just 2 hour music videos of non-stop cgi bullshit? That they can actually make movies without "dumbing it down" to the lowest common denominator and ACTUALLY make a profit as well??? Mind you, I think it's damn near IMPOSSIBLE to make a Robocop remake that will be even HALF as good as the original but I like the fact that people will try to emulate what Nolan and Co. did with the Batman series.
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In the late 70's early 80s he did a series of really stellar Dutch films including the superior "Soldier of Orange", the film that got Rutger Hauer "Blade Runner". Yes - Paul's work in the 1990s was shit, but you really owe it to yourself to check out some of his older stuff or at the very least his latest, Black Book. Carice Van Houten. Nude. Not a bad thing.
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I've been waiting for this guy to get his hands on a genre pic for a long time. When has he ever done a bad film?
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I'll check it your recommendation. I don't hate the guy. As I said I loved Recall and Robocop. But it kills me how people can retcon someone's entire career as being shit on the strength of one bad or disappointing movie. My main point was to illustrate that we could apply that sort of thinking to any working director. Not a knock to the Dutchman. But people on here are a little too ridiculous with their hate.
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"Get you ass to Mars""If I'm not me, then who the hell am I?"Just the concept of Quato is iconic.
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We already knew that it was set 20 years down the road, and in a different city. That would mean they don't intend on retelling the origin story, and whatever characters would have been left walking from the original trilogy wouldn't be playing a role either. In short, I don't see how continuity would have played a role even if it WAS intended as a sequel.
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Jul 30, 2008 1:17:02 PM CDT
Dark Knight's success isnt simply because its a quality film
by jackrabbitslim
I don't think I need to remind anyone that there's little correlation between boxoffice and quality - Titanic springs to mind. Jawdropping f/x - hideous dialogue. It certainly helps that Dark Knight got great reviews but lets admit 1) Batman has to have a Q score off the charts in the general public - I'm betting top 20 fictional characters all time. 2) The Heath Ledger dying thing didn't hurt it. A non-illegal drug od - pretty talented boy cut down in the prime of youth - that's publicity you just can't buy.
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You forgot RoboCop2 in RoboCop 2 was also stop motion.
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Oliver Megaton!
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I've always thought of Robocop as a guilty pleasure. The out pouring of love for the film is perplexing to me. What's wrong with exploring another artist's interpretation of the source material? Worst case scenario: you still have your DVD or Blu Ray of the original.
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I'm guessing you were gestating back in 1986. No one, and I mean NO ONE, gave two shits about the "believable futuristic society" created in RoboCop. Hell, no one thought it all that believable - it was thinly written parable. What people DID talk about was the uber-violence (along with the humor). The exec getting nailed in the ED209 demo, Murphy getting shredded, Dick going all the way to the ground... the R - violence was absolutely the thing that made RC stand out in a decade of Stallone/Ahnold action flicks.
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was the chick with 3 boobs.
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Yes I was not counting films that used stop motion as the method of animation. I also think Raimi used stop motion in Army Of Darkness. I KNOW he did in Evil Dead 2.
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That just doesn't seem right... although it's a noble thing to say we want everything by the way of Batman Begins' approach, I think let RoboCop do its thing, Verhoeven or not. It's the step in the right direction, but do we risk homogenizing this era of 'remakes'? Batman set a benchmark, we don't have to emulate it every chance we get... move on peoples.
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Yes, it is interesting just how influential Christopher Nolan's reboot of Batman is proving itself to be. It set a new bar of credibility for action films and has evidently become the standard. As Vern pointed out, 007 and Terminator have aspired to be like BEGINS. IRON MAN and THE INCREDIBLE HULK also used the film as its template. Now, THE DARK KNIGHT has set an even higher bar...Anyway, I loved Verhoeven's ROBOCOP. It had such an unusual mix of brutal violence, high-tech action and black humor. I agree with Vern that this new version couldn't do any more damage than the sequels did. The BATMAN BEGINS influence couldn't hurt, but I'd rather not see a re-telling of the origin.
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isn't that the same guy that did flashdance, showgirls, and starship troopers?
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TDK was the perfect storm. Any "Batman" film has an automatic built in audience. I'm not aware of the actual figures but I THINK Batman and Robin did a DECENT box office number. I know for a fact the theatre was packed that opening weekend it was released. And TDK was getting great reviews from respected critics. AND the "death of Heath Ledger" was a huge factor as well. These elements all helped but if the movie was straight garbage it wouldn't have made 500 mil worldwide in a couple weeks. It would have made money but not THAT much THIS quickly. It's making this type of money because of word of mouth. Hopefully Hollywood can look at this and take action/sci-fi/fantasy movies more seriously and realize it's not just about A-list, tabloid "superstars" and CGI effects that we've seen a billion times that makes a good movie. It's the script, the directing and the acting that SHOULD come first. The rest is icing on the cake.
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"Please state a street and number." "Shit. Shit." "I'm not familiar with that address. Would you please repeat-" "RaRaRAAH RAHH RAH!"
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She was a goddess.
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Verhoeven is a much much much better director than either Aronofsky or Wiseman (who are on a similar plane). Verhoeven is a brilliant guy and his 90's work is fantastic (to the person who said his 90's work wasn't good). BASIC INSTINCT is a masterpiece level film, another of his homages to Hitchcock that deftly explores sexual obsession. SHOWGIRLS is an engaging satire and filmed with a TON of skill. STARSHIP TROOPERS is the most subversive Hollywood blockbuster ever! The man is brilliant at filming movies (Makes Chris Nolan look like a school kid). That said, I think another robocop doesn't make sense in his career at this point. All of you guys that love the new batman so much need to lock yourselves in a room with a steady diet of David Lean, Alfred Hitckcock, Roman Polanski, and Steven Spielberg and learn about great filmmaking.
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I can see people not "getting it" but I thought it was good...
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is too great a director for Robocop. ypu people should be thanking your lucky stars you got a director of his caliber to direct your robocop film. I'll see anything he does so I can't wait to see what he does with this. The visuals should be out of this world.
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if you think Arronofsky and Wiseman are on a similar plane then your either insane or you have never seen an Arronofsky film.
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...it's fucking better!!!
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Despite the Beverly Hills 90210 beginning, but maybe that is what Verhoven intended. Either way, ST is a hyper violent, fun film. Have not seen the 2 DTV sequels, but I heard that ST:HOTF was garbage and that the third installment was better.
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Robots rule the world. All CGI all the time.
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So you dont think Nolan is a skilled filmaker? Have you seen Memento and The Prestige, I admit The Dark Knight is abit "scatty" but it still the finest Hollywood blockbuster in a long time, I think of it as Pink Floyds Money getting to No 1 (the only UK No1 in 7/4 timing i belive) and I love Verhoeven but Showgirls wasnt even worth masturbating too
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Sorry. But if you told me that I was going to watch a movie about dueling magicians and enjoy it I would have told you to go fuck yourself. That is of course until I saw "The Prestige". Nolan hasn't made a bad film yet. Is he exempt? We don't know what the future holds for him. He could crank out a "Showgirls" but then again, he doesn't seem like the type of person who would make a travesty like that (and then when it bombs) say the movie was intended to be campy. So far he has "Memento", "The Prestige", "Batman Begins" and now "The Dark Knight" on his resume. He doesn't have crap on his resume that his apoligists decide to overrate and attempt to explain the awfulness away with pseudo subtext that wasn't there.
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Nolan did a pretty fine job with Insomnia, with probably the last performances by both Al Pacino and Robin Williams that didn't bring the urge to rip my eyes out.
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What they should do is just remake Robocop 2 and 3 as one film, as they were supposed to be in the first place, and use Frank Miller's script instead of hiring rewrites. If the studio gave half a shit about whether a remake is necessary or not (and it would be for RC 2 and 3), this would be the most obvious choice in the world. If anything, this proves that they aim their remake gun more or less at random.
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Jul 30, 2008 1:56:07 PM CDT
Lioner, I'll lock myself in a cabin with some Spielberg
by spandau belly
I'm sure after masterpieces such as Indy 4, Hook, Minority Report, The Terminal, and War of the Worlds, I will be able to see the genius level on which Basic Instinct takes place.And you're also right about how Underwolrd and Die Hard 4 are totally the same as Pi, Requiem for a Dream and The Fountain. But Requiem for a Dream needed more bullet-time.
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Anyone defending showgirls needs a good wash between the ears, but verhoeven is a great director and sorely missed in the world of big budget blockbuster filmmaking. Its a pity he didn't follow up basic instinct with Crusade starring arnold in 95 instead of showgirls. I look forward to his jesus biopic if it ever gets made, and the shitstorm of controversy that will surely follow.
if they're going to re-boot robocop , however, they'd better not neuter the black comedy and satire that mad it so potent in the first place. the original was very much about reaganomics and the yuppie era, so a successful reboot will have to transplant the social commetary to the current era - bush/post bush and the so-called 'war on terror'. let it take barbed pot shots at the republicans. perhaps robocop could be commisioned by the government to root out terrorits/ extremists/ fundamaentalists, instead of drug-dealers/traffickers, which were the big bogeymen of corporate america back in the 80's.
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If Peter Weller ain't busy, how about Buckaroo Banzai vs. The World Crime League. I know there was a lot of legal wrangling just to get the recent DVD released, but follow the example of Whedon's Dr. Horrible and produce it for online viewing for about 1 to 2 million, and watch the hits pour in."He's older ... he's zen-ier ... wherever he goes, there he is ... It's Buckaroo Banzai."
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Memento had an interesting premise but it kinda got old after a while. (And I dont like Guy Pearce.) Insomnia was boring besides Robin Williams' performance. With that being said I haven't seen these movies since they were released so maybe I need to watch them again. Nolan's been on a roll recently with Begins, Prestige, and TDK. The Batman movies were done exceptionally well. Begins gets better with each viewing and TDK is so good it's kinda DESTROYED the comic book/superhero movie genre but The Prestige is something out of the ordinary. It's probably his greatest overall film. I've seen it like 7-10 times and there's STILL little tidbits I pick up on with each viewing. Also the fact that he has aligned himself with Christian Bale hasn't hurt either. I might've liked Memento if he played the lead.
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A new original story of Robocop that ALSO retells his origin story with flashbacks or "misplaced chapters" (i.e. Kill Bill). I dont see why you couldn't do BOTH, a sequel and a remake?
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I too didnt like Insomnia first time around, I gave it a chance a few months ago and thought it was good, decent. Memento I think is great and urge you to give another go, (I hate that bitch from the Matrix) but The Prestige is fuckin awesome and is a film MADE to be seen over and over again. In fact on the extras dvd for Memento Nolan says he wants to make movies in a way that Ridley Scott films are great to rewatch for the visual tidbits he wants to do that with his storylines if I remember correctly
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. . .INSOMNIA. Chris Nolan made that bore of a movie. I won't make this a talkback about Chris Nolan, but I thought "Memento" was overrated. His best movie is still 'Batman Begins' but 'The Prestige' is close. I know I'm the minority, but I thought The Dark Knight was good and NOT GREAT! That movie had tons of flaws people.
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I'd rather watch it any day than 90% of the Oscar winners ever made.
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..just prefer Cyborgs to Italian Gangsters, I know I do, I have my reasons.
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I hate callow shitsletown suits, Wiseman et al are'nt a bead of sweat on the balls of Paul Verhoven, his Robocop is peerless. I doubt Aranovsky could produce anything as bitingly satirical, prescient and as entertaining as the original; it'll no doubt be slow and ponderous.
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But The Godfather would improve greatly with at least one toxic sludge induced melting man.
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Godfather was Saddam Hussein's favorite movie. Robocop For America!
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... one toxic sludge induced melting man THAT gets hit by a speeding automobile and explodes on impact... Now THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!!!
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and take vengeance upon every twentysomething coked-up fuckhead studio executive in Hollywood. Who's with me?
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My friend and I both agreed Dark Knight was hugely flawed. The more I think about it the whole movie kind of falls apart actually. Love Nolan's other movies too. Memento and The Prestige are streets ahead of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight IMO.
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From a purely filmmaking perspective, Christopher Nolan is not a good filmmaker. His shots lack identity, beginnings or endings, and his use of color is non specific, he overcovers simple scenes, and his editing rhythms are messy (TDK showed improvement here though). The note about Christopher Nolan wanting to make films like Ridley Scott makes sense. They're similar... Good production design... basic, non-distinct camera direction (Ridley has a MUCH better sense of color and composition however, and obviously was very distinct when he made BLADE RUNNER and ALIEN). BTW, Whoever dissed Spielberg forgot to mention MUNICH (I won't defend INDY 4), a masterpiece. Nolan could still improve his craft, but as of now, he's a messy director. TDK showed improved command of momentum and improved ability to follow action scenes (a bit), so there's hope for him. INSOMNIA, THE PRESTIGE, BATMAN BEGINS... These aren't good movies guys... All of you guys should rent CATCH ME IF YOU CAN again and just watch the camera. Spielberg uses his camera to create and inform the content of his movies, which all great filmmakers do, and guys like Christopher Nolan haven't figured out yet. If he's going to be mentioned as a great, he will inevitably be held to that standard.
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does that spell the end to any hero movie that isn't brooding and dark? Now I absolutly loved the Dark Knight but if these new Batman flicks are the new standard to every super hero movie that is to come I'll need counseling by the end of summer 2010!
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...gave me the biggest laugh of the year!
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So it's a reimagination of Robocop and set 20 years after the first one in LA? sounds like some poor LA cop gets killed and OCP ut the Robocop project back in operation there. simple then, it's a sequel, reimagination and reboot all in one! only problem is we all got how the Robocop 2 project went awol. maybe they ironed the kinks out and murphy will make an apperance at the end and say "that's my boy" or something like that. and the pugface kruger lookalike from teh tv show will be the bad-guy. wow, best film ever!
why not just make Robocop V Terminator. that can;t be that hard to do if he's in LA now can it? ra ra ra.. Robocop V Predator.. ra ra ra -
Said by German guy in that club scene in the first XXX. When said, bitches came forth through a hole in the wall! Best part of that movie, which of course isn't even on the radar of being as good as the first Robocop.
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I'm just putting it out there. And was it Adrian Lyne that directed "Flashdance". Survey says ... bingo! I guessed - swear to god. Wasn't "Flashdance" the movie that first "made" Simpson and/or Bruckheimer? Too lazy to look it up. And lastly - I'll concede that Chris Nolan can't shoot action to save his life. At least based on what I saw in Batman Begins - haven't tossed my filthy lucre into the Dark Knights bulging coffers.
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People still use that term as a positive selling point?
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Grossing more than the GDP of every country ending in "istan" is nothing to sneeze at but one has to wonder about how many moobies Dark Knight is going to sink in its titanic-sized wake. Think Tropic Thunder or Bangkok Dangerous or Pineapple Express can derail it? I don't...
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http://adamcohenisnotgay.blogspot.com/
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... "turned me into a cyborg... Aw HELL nawww!"
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...aint' gonna happen with Peter Weller... guy's a history professor now. (Not kidding, look it up)
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Yeah, so they did. My bad. But for the producers to even take that stance is diabolical, considering the major love for the original movie.
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Just because of the huge female repeat business for a romantic tragic tale. Like the women that see Dirty Dancing for 73 times.
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I knew a bunch of people who loved PIE, but I thought it was pretentious and adroit. I got to spoon a memorable fling while watching Requiem, which elevated that film for me, but otherwise I found it to be maudlin. Aronofsky should definitely get into some genre stuff, but Robocop is simply too unique to be trifled with. Starship Troopers and Total Recall make a nice trilogy of sorts, I suggest you film fest the three of them some weekend. Showgirls is great, but Hollow Man was only recently re-released in it's intended form, and is the flick that ran Paul out of Hollywood, so let's not pretend that what we saw actually reflects on the filmmaker. In all, Verhoeven's movies leave an intentional bad taste in your mouth (Like I do to Rolling Thunder) and that is what earns them such loyalty. Nobody, not even Aronofsky, is going to make a better version of Robocop, or any of Verhoeven's films. There is so much in his flicks that can't be easily described. He makes the thinking man's exploitation.
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seriously? hollywood has run out of ideas. which reimaging has actually worked in recent times? batman doesnt count as that mythology has been constantly reimaged in the comics, nor bond. for fucks sake robocop? seriously? maybe im whiney cause all the movies i watched as a kid are now being "reimaged". there's nothing wrong with the movies as they stand!
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I know, I read that a few years ago. Thats why I was so suprised by his appearance on "24". I think he specializes on Egypt.
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Women notoriously don't go to films alone and will drag hubby, b/f, girlfriend, sacrificial victim along with them where as men find it a lot harder to drag her around and have no problem batchin' it. Simplistic but you get my point. The one thing that Dark Knight has going for it is a lack of competition for the foreseeable future. As I said, do you see Pineapple Express, Mirrors, Bangkok Dangerous or Tropic Thunder knocking it off? I don't and it'll be interesting to see where Batman ends up. 500 mil is a guarantee.
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believe it.
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Jul 30, 2008 4:30:48 PM CDT
An ability to secure international financing = movie exec
by jackrabbitslim
The movie business has been always that - fucking business - but there's a really interesting link on IMDB to the New York Times talking about Spielberg needing to go to a Mumbai-based group to get the financing Dreamworks needs. They also quote Spielberg's directing fee - 20% off the very first dollar. Folks, thats some heavy green.
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With a hard PG-13 or R-rating and dark-n-moody storytelling style, it has the potential to kick ass.
In it Popeye loses his squinky eye in the most "arful battle o' his life" and discovers spinach at the very end. Olive Oyl isn't even in it. In fact, it could be based on the Thimble Theater stuff with Ham Gravy.
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I never really understand the problem fans of a certain work have with a remake. okay, the vast majority are needless but it isn't as if the original has been wiped off the face of the earth.
There simply happen to be two versions of a movie.
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Look, I'm with you guys on Nolan making good movies. I like all his films to different degrees, but I really fucking hated The Prestige. It was like a really shitty version of Amadeus that just kept lying to you but expecting you to remain interested. I felt like they became so obesessed with the fractured timeline structure of the film being a big puzzle that they didn't realize that once you put it all together the story wasn't compelling, the characters were assholes, and it was about dudes pulling bunny rabbits out of hats.And that shot at the end of a third Christian Bale growing in the vat? That was unforgivable! I mean, when Roland Emmerich pulled that in Godzilla by showing the one Godzilla egg that Matt Broderick forgot to smash and it starts to hatch it was cheesy, but putting a twist/sequel-setup like that in this kind of movie was retarded.Other than Scar Jo's attempt at a Pommish accent the acting was good, pity they were all playing such fucking cunts. I think they should've taken that chunk with David Bowie and just released that as the movie. Who cares if it's half an hour? It's good.
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I like you.
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Chris Pinekirk as the lead? Sequelitis is already in the air anyway. Bring on RoboKirk.
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it's a good movie. But come on, Spielberg makes one good (not great) movie in the last ten years, that was largely good because it was a good script and topical and I'm expected to act like this guy is still on some gold standard? I mean the guy produced Transformers, directed Indy 4 into the dirt, and as a guy who has his pick of projects chose The Terminal? This isn't 1990 anymore, so I'll take Nolan's output of 1 decent gimmick movie (Memento), 1 worthwhile well-crafted remake (Insomnia), 1 clusterfuck with good acting and some well-executed scenes (The Prestige), and 2 solid superhero movies over Spielburg's 1 good movie (Munich) and I won't look back.
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State of the Art Bang Bang...Daddy,can I play?
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I think we shall just have to disagree sir, I dont belive Nolan to be a poor filmaker, I think all his movies have been at the very least good, I kinda know what you mean with his lack of identity but I dont think that makes him a poor filmaker and you say he lacks use of colour I thought that his Batman movies use mainly only Orange and Black? O and Munich is great.
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has it really come down to this......
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But when a good movie makes money, especially the type of RECORD-BREAKING money we're talking about here, I think execs should take notice. And I personally feel TDK is a great great great movie. I hear people complain about it (mostly here) and the bs they complain about is so trivial (i.e. I didnt like the costume) Excuse me, but the script is a lot more important than the batsuit! IMO, TDK had a great story, great cast, great acting, great script, etc. That's what mainstream movies need nowadays! They need to be multi-layered. That's why movies like Robocop, Terminator(2), Total Recall, Die Hard, Alien(s),etc were so good. Sure, the action was always a major ingredient but you also had interesting characters you CARED about placed in extraordinary, amazing situations. It wasn't JUST a movie with a robot cop or a guy in a building fighting terrorists, or a chick fighting aliens... These movies were more than that. And if they were just that, we wouldn't be discussing these films 10, 20, 30 years after their release and Hollywood wouldn't be remaking them.
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but I still found Batman a sympathetic character, same goes for Harvey Dent, and Rachel Dawes and Jim Gordon. And I can't really blame Batman for The Joker's actions and terrorism. The Joker was obsessed with Batman, but that's not Batman's fault. And these guys directly represent order and anarchy for Gotham.Whereas in The Prestige these guys don't represent anything beyond an amusing show for Londonners, but they treat their women like shit, squander fortunes, hurt each other and others physically, and all for a silly show. I get that their rivalry was born out of Jackman blaming Bale for his sweetheart's death, but his relationship with her was built on nothing but lies so I can't really pity his loss or identify with his outrage. I feel sorry for her, but she's dead ten minutes into this thing.
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Any human that thinks that Darren Arronofsky and Len Wiseman make the same kind of films , looses every single ounce of credibility. Honestly that is maybe the most retarded statement ever in a talkback.
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said MrHazard I big complaints I hear people complain about is the "plot holes" in TDK, like what does the Joker do at the party after Bat and Rach go out the window, or when Dent and Rach are kiddnaped, some people just need to be shown everything, god forbid the director might actualy trust you to have and use your brain and connect the dots yourself. Hate to see what these people think of No Country.
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Hughs and his wife had a normal relationship, not based on lies, they shared everything. Do you mean Bales relationship with his wife? Even so they tell you at the end why they each go so far I cant remember Bales excuse but Im pretty sure Hughs was "the look on their (audience) faces"
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It's not fancy camera tricks (which pretty much any hack can do if they want to) or action sequences (even tho I love the TDK chase scene with Dent, Joker, and Batman). His strength IMHO is defining characters and building drama between opposing characters. Probably the main reason why I love The Prestige is the feud between Jackman and Bale. It rises slowly and gradually throughout the entire movie AND you find yourself rooting for BOTH men to win. Neither is a hero or a villian and they BOTH have their logical reasons to oppose the other. He accomplishes the same thing in TDK with Batman/Joker and Dent/Gordon. I love in the beginning when Gordon asks Batman if they should go after Joker and Batman declines "one man or the entire mob... he can wait..." By the end of the film, the Joker is his main obsession. Same thing with Dent/Gordon. During the first half of the movie, Dent is telling Gordon to take a look at his corrupt precinct and in the end crooked cops are the reason Dent loses his fiance and his life. But Nolan doesn't "beat you over the head" with these themes. He accomplishes telling these stories in a more subtle way than other directors nowadays. I also think he brings out the best in actors. I mean really, was there ANY bad performances in TDK? Even Julia Roberts' brother was good!!!
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Yes, one of the Nolans' writing strengths is how they develope good dynamics between men and escalate them over the course of a movie. I understand that obession was a theme of The Prestige and these guys kept talking about "the discipline" of their trade and they both sacrifice pretty much everything else to be the top magician (a goal I don't understand), but I guess the level of competition they rose to just didn't seem necessary to amuse a few people with some dinky tricks on a Saturday night.I forget whether both Bales were sharing one wife physically (hella gross) but I remember that she didn't know he was a twin and that they switched shifts in terms of living with her and pretending to be one man. The one brother wearing a disguise when they went out together I could buy. But brothers sharing a wife? That's not discipline and dedication to an artform, that's just fucked up and cruel. So yeah, I hated both these guys, and with just cause I think.
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1 brother loved her though the one who did the coin trick, the other with the little ball trick who got hung was in love with Scarlet, I think the one who lived that was his real daughter and I dont belive the other brother boned his wife just Scarlet
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The first 30 to 40 minutes of Robocop is a master-class in direction, editing and cinematography, but the film stops being innovative shortly after Robo goes online. Anyone who truly understands the film language knows exactly what I'm talking about. I've heard the movie went way over-budget and that Vorhoeven had a lot of fights with the studio. Maybe that's why the movie loses it's way?
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it obviously wasn't going to be a sequel because the past movies aren't that good and don't set up a very interesting universe. They will just take the basic premise and change most everything else including making a different looking robocop.
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He's my most favorite movie villain ever, with Romero from Escape from New York a close second. What was Clarence? All of 150lbs? Short, thin, balding, spectacled... and his name was CLARENCE! And yet he was way sinister and commanded respect. Loved him. Loved how he chewed up the scenery. Love how he continuously stuffed shit up his nose throughout the movie as an afterthought, even merlot. And, yes, "Bitches, leave" is an awesome line, better than "Guns. Guns! GUNS!" yet not quite as great as "You can keep the gum." None of these, however, can match how he signed the paperwork at the pig pen, followed by "Just give me my fucking phone call."I'm not saying there won't be better movie villains to come, ever. Just that, in a Robocop universe, Clarence was the shit. He's yet to be topped in any other telling of Robocop (i.e. the sequels, miniseries, animated, comics, etc.) and I doubt a remake would offer a better foil. Even if they were to "reimagine" Clarence himself along with Robo. It would be like trying to outdo Ledger's Joker. At least for me.I hear what you guys are saying about wanting to bring back Verhoven. He's my second-most favorite director. But bringing him back would be like bringing Carpenter back to do a remake of the THING. Not a sequel, mind you, but a remake. What's the point? What new material would it offer; new ground would it break? It'd be the PSYCHO remake all over again. Again, I love Verhoven, but he'd be necessary for a sequel, not a remake.Although I'm heavily invested in the first flick, nothing that has come since has impressed me, so I'm open to a Singeresque "continuation of the first film that disregards the sequels" (and anything else in the entire mythos for that matter).
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Why not just clone the money instead of himself? And why did Tesla give Jackman the macguffin in the first place?
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That was explored in second film. Robo was bagged pretty easily. None of you remember how he was "stripped" while Hog was forced to watch? BTW, Robo's "fluidity" (or whatever you call it for a film made in 1990) was also explored when he busted the crack den. Remember him targeting foes using reflections and intentionally looking away whilst aiming?
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Hog wasn't forced to watch while Robo was stripped. That was the songbird cop. Duffy? MLcDuffy? C䑈an't remember. Anyway, Hog delighted while Robo was stripped by my recollection. An odd parallel as it were.
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That being said, no way they get villians THIS interesting/entertaining for the remake...
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Dont know which one to watch tho...
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I think Hugh was already rich or he probly did clone the money too, and Tesla warns him to destroy it, as it will bring him nothing but pain, (also look into the real Tesla the man was a genius, who got shafted by Edison) and about RoboCop I agree I think he was fluid enough in the fight with Kane at the end of No2, not the best effects but still an awesome fight I think.
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and nipples too. Starring Shia LaBeouf as Robocop!
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I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he was pretty good. Actually I was quite surprised how good he was in it. But again, like TDK, everybody is good in it.
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Taking someone else's original idea and molding it to either A) suit today's "modern audience", B) "breathe some life into the franchise", or C) "be more faithful to (video game, whatever source material" are all equivalent to REMAKE. We've even REMADE the term REMAKE as to encompass all the approaches one could possibly take in avoiding true creative thought. However, my childhood hasn't been raped because my childhood was a period of time that I've long left behind (mostly). Let them remake it, let them snort coke with the bills they'll make off this flick, and let them attempt to suck off the nostalgic fanboy with the concomitant repackaging of his favorite 80s action/satire with an extra .02 seconds of footage. I am a bit curious if Aronofsky will retain the satire aspect though.
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After an awful performance by Portman as a Brit in V, I was pleasantly surprised by Johansson's performance as a Brit in the PRESTIGE. Especially since she recently (at the time) came off so wooden in the ISLAND. But then, what hasn't she been wooden in since GHOST WORLD? A⅀nd, no, my fellow geeks, "wooden" here does not mean "that which gives you wood."
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Ledger's Joker was a force of nature more than a character. He had no motive. I understand why he burnt a pyramid of Benjamins.When I mentioned Ledger's performance of the Joker, I meant to draw an analogy to Kurtwood Smith's performance as Boddiker -- meaning, that it cannot be redone.Are we on the same page?
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Johansson's good in it too...
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The movie is sheer hackery, and it's message is delivered with the nuance of a hand grenade. If anyone missed the point of Starship Troopers, it was Verhoven who clearly had no respect for the source material(and no, I'm not talking about the damn power suits).
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... is that, judging from the two films of his that I've seen (Pi, Requiem) is that the man does not have a sense of humor. "Requiem for a Dream" has to be one of the most unrelentingly dark movies of all time. The Robocop movies are at their best when they're being satirical. As in the case with the first Robo flick, the violence was so over the top (eg, the death in the boardroom, "Can you fly Bobby?") that it was actually funny. I'm just concerned that Darren A. might take the violence too literally and take the fun out of everything.
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What "Can you fly Bobby" another great line. I saw Robocop when I was 9 in 87 and I loved it but Clarence Bodiker scared the living $h!t out of me. And I can never look at that guy the same way.
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Only the question you mentioned was raised during the cop speed chase of the gang's ice cream truck.I agree with you. No, Aronofsky has displayed no semblance of capability of handling gritty humor. The only thing I can think of that comes close is, "I'm running after this man" ::POW:: "Shit! I guess I'm running away from him!"
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I'm not saying ST is so intelligent and subtle that some people dont get it. But I think some might not appreciate it for what it is... A good, over-the-top sci-fi action flick that's intentionally cheesy. It's kinda like the commercials in Robocop but the WHOLE movie is like that. And somehow Verhoven fools you into actually caring for the characters and the situation they're in. I like it (well at least I did when it was released... haven't seen it in years) but I can understand how some people might not. And how could you not like the propaganda military ads...
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That are not over 40 years old. I dont even understand who this movie is for any adult ov er 25 probably has senn Robocop and does not need a remake and if your going for a Hard R that excluding Kids. So I guess this movie is for theater hopping Delinquents.
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This movie won't be shit without Kurtwood Smith. Pointless sequel/remake/remix/re-imagining/rework/cash-in-on-80's revivalism.
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"WHO CARES IT WORKED OR NOT!!!"
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the melted ER guy about the cannons
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Didnt a his hand get chopped off then Something Fell on him later. Then Papa Bauer killed ass. He can't cath a break.
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Hikaru Ichijo Jul 30th, 2008
03:55:21 PM
I knew a bunch of people who loved PIE, but I thought it was pretentious and adroit.
I swear I havnt laughed that hard in my entire life. Go see HANCOCK again you dolt.
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How many more directors/Producers are gonna be using the line....Kinda Like Nolans Batman! for their new pitches to the studio exes. Who the F@#$ needs to be original anymore?
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goddamn its fuckin retarded. DONT FUCKING MAKE THIS YOU FUCKIN LEECHES
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Aronofsky is married to Rachel Weisz they "considered"
Wiseman who is married to Kate Beckinsale
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I'd buy that for 10 credits!
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Ugh, man, what a stupid person. And Wiseman sucks.
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Seriously all you people debating about what director should do it,what rating it should get should it be an sequel or reimagining. Forget that shit and make a fucking stand. The Robocop story was told as well as it can be told in 1987. Hollywood is so bereft of ideas that it is remaking films barely 2 decades old. All moviegoers, including reviewers like the illustrious owners of this site, need to make a conscious effort not to contribute towards this ridiculous notion that every single new generation should have a different interpretation of the same story. Frankly id rather they put robocop back in the cinema as i was only 11 at the time it came out and would enjoy a trip to see it on the big screen. Anyone who caves and says "oh well i may as well give it a try" and pays there $12 or £7 is not part of the solution but a major part of the problem
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Whatever happened to him???
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Jul 30, 2008 8:44:27 PM CDT
ROBOCOP IS A BONAFIDE CLASSIC BUT I DON'T MIND A REIMAGINING
by bringingsexyback
I think Aronofsky has the skill to pull off a good movie but just wish those two dickhead producers weren't involved.
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There's nothing wrong with the original Robocop. I don't want to see that story told again. I already know that story. If it's R-rated, then your paying audience is old enough to have seen the original Robocop...so they don't want to see the same story told again either! Bottom Line: it can't be told any better than it was the first time! I would like to see Robocop's torso in a F-ing freezer for 20 years, having been decommisioned by OCP. Now Robocop is ported over to a new body, with Peter Weller playing everybody's favorite face patroling the mean steets, whether they be Delta City or L.A.
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Think...just as big and brauny with power, but with more mobility. And the mask must remain the same. Peter Weller MUST return, or I'm not paying to see it. I encourage piracy if they fudge this, and you only have a morbid curiosity to see it. Don't pay to see shit.
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At least put a force field around it.
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A spot on parody of WWII recruitment flicks. See Black Book for Verhoeven dealing with WWII with a straight face.Great stuff.
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When You read about what Peter Weller went through to Do that role and how well he played it and how pathetic those that followed did there can only be one Robocop. and 1987 I mean come on, we have to make a movie thats not even 30 years old. can't we remake sucky movies 1st? How about Masters OF the Universe (KEEP Frank langella)? Or movies from bad TV like, how about Automan the movie, or Street Hawk, the movie or Airwolf the movie, Followed By Misfits Of Science the movie?Sometimes I wish Hollywood was run by small cabal headed by the greatest top ten film critics in the world.
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AICN, it's your duty to name these nameless fucks. We might not get it right all the time ( i.e. heath ledger for the joker role), but dammit we get it more right then these useless fucking execs
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less then 2 decades old. those that have seen the original aren't going to bother, why mess with a classic? those that will are pubescent kids, who are more likely to rip a copy from the internet. i understand the business viewpoint to go back to a franchise that has paid in the past, but the well is dry now. there's no fucking water. you have comics and video games with a built in audience and books and tv. the problem is you have to pay a fee to get all those licenses in place. so the risk is to go and create something brand new. mitigate the risk by getting those writers that are involved in other mediums and knock out some fucking original ideas.
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like some magic chant.
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family orientated, worldwide market. crossover appeal. music merchandising spin offs. its a fucking done deal!
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Mark my words you read it here 1st 10:42 est I bet there will be a Teen Wolf movie in less then 5 years.
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Everything is now Batman Begins this and Dark Knight that. It's mentioned everywhere now, with movies that have nothing to do with it. In every single talkback.
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You speak as if no one has original ideas anymore, yet original screenplays get made into films all the time. Pixar makes one once a year. Without remakes, we would not have The Dark Knight. Why not have both?
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He's gotta be one of the most interesting directors working today. I can definitely understand the nerd-rage over a Robocop reboot, but I'm surprised that people in general are so upset that a more than competent director is going to be doing it. Count me excited for anything Aronofsky does. Different strokes I guess.
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Not like Batman was the only Comic Book movie when Batman begin came out. There was a need or desire for the Batman saga to return to the big screen and the franchise basically demanded a reboot. There is no need for a new Robocop movie There is no clamour, No Diehard Robocop fans that need another movie. It's like making a remake for "Alien" what's the purpose? whose it for? Is there need to add special FX to Star wars and re-edit it? So whats the overall point in making a movie thats already been made well?
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Isn't somebody else writing the script? If so, the dark humor elements of the original really rest upon the shoulders of the screenwriter, no?
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Can't help if it was commentary on the commentary...
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Or I'll consider this remake a travesty too far.
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because the original and it's sequels were shitty as fuck
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Your worse then the F Micheal Bay guy at least he has a point.
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is that people on this site never consider the people who may not have liked the original film that is being remade. I didn't like Robocop, so since I am an Aronofsky fan I'll likely pay to see this because it might be something that appeals to me more. fuck
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You guys get angry about stuff!
About Aronofsky... I mean, I understand that he's a unique guy, but that doesn't a great filmmaker make. THE FOUNTAIN is a huge mess. REQUIEM is very 2-dimensional, but more coherent than THE FOUNTAIN. PI is a great debut, but didn't demand multiple viewings for me. I think doing a genre piece like ROBOCOP will be good for Aronofsky, but at the same time I had to point out the tall shadow (Verhoeven) he would be working under. I think the Nolan/DARK KNIGHT love is a little out of control... I gave some reasons I think his filmmaking is undisciplined and got a bunch of "F you's"? You guy's really dug those Ferry Boat scenes? Or the Sonar sequence? Verhoeven and Spielberg are great filmmakers building from the formalist tradition of other greats like David Lean and Hitchcock. It seems to me that there is less understanding and learning/passing on of classical filmmaking craft by a new generation (Fincher/The Coens are the exception and both excellent as I'm sure you'll all agree with me). I just think Nolan/Aronofsky... These new generation guys have a lot to learn. That's all I'm saying. No need to curse me out. -
That has to be one of the most treacherous bigbudget films ever made. It's Leni Reifenstahl's wet dream - ok, thats a cheap shot but ya know where I'm going with this. The film's basic premise is incendiary, "What happened if the Nazis won". That there was not one main character who didn't act as the voice of reason, squalling on about freeeeeedom was fuckin' brill. Casting Doogie Howser as a proto Dr Mengele all the way down to the SS-ish outfit? Epic, dood.
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If there's any "next Kubrick" fanfares to be trumpeted, it would be for 'There Will be Blood'. Tell me the milkshake line wont end up on AFI's greatest 1000 movie quotes one day. I dare ya, I double-dog dare ya. As for the 'technical proficiencies of today's filmmaker' bit, give it some time, see who shakes out in the wash ... My main worry about Aronofsky is that new movie of his, the one where Mickey Rourke plays a wrestler on the lower circuits trying to make his way back to the big leagues. That sounds like shit to me, but who am I. The point is, I wonder if this 'Robocop' move suggests that Aronofsky is worried about how the film will turn out and is looking to do a studio pic to keep playing with the million-dollar-toy that is filmmaking. We'll see.
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BOOGIE NIGHTS is virtuosic and TWBB is really moody and fun. I had some problems with the structure, but it has amazing elements (It kind of feels like an amazing sketchbook... But so do a lot of amazing late 70's Altman's). PT Anderson is also building upon very specific guys (Altman, Scorcese, Demme) and you can see that. That's good and healthy for the art form. Maybe Aronofsky thinks he's building on Kubrick or Tarkovsky, but considering that he doesn't have a sense of humor and hasn't really worked within genre yet (THE FOUNTAIN is not a genre film), the comparisons don't fit for me. But yeah, PT is great and unique. I LOVE his camera! It has identity! I see Nolan's direction as kinda similar to TV... Which isn't a good thing. Can you imagine TV that looked like PT Anderson or Kubrick? I can imagine TV that looks like Nolan (esp INSOMNIA... ). I'm really just bringing up a debate that has been brewing in Hollywood for a little while now with movies like the BOURNE movies and television at the center of the debate. It has to do with a dilution of classical filmmaking craft, which, if you're well studied in films and filmmaking language, is easy to point out and to see where filmmakers are pulling and influenced by others. To me there are different generations, starting with Eisenstein and Welles, then moving to Hitchcock and Lean, onto Polanski, Coppola and Altman, then Spielberg, Scorcese and DePalma, then the Coens, Zemeckis, Dante, Verhoeven etc... Who all seem to be part of the natural cycle of building the form from the past masters who came before you. Kubrick and Bergman take separate categories IMO because they are SO unique and special and probably the two greatest filmmakers of all time. I think Fincher, PT Anderson, and sometimes Wes Anderson are all great talents that seem to be furthering the form in their own way. I was especially impressed with Fincher's ZODIAC. That said, I wish more people in our generation (I'm in my mid 20's) understood this lineage as it's important to the art form going forward as both audience members and filmmakers. Guys like Verhoeven and Spielberg deserve more respect than I've seen them receive in this talk back, but that's my opinion. And yes, to whoever said INDY 4 was bad, I agree!! Bad and disappointing. But MUNICH is a beacon of great filmmaking and in my opinion the best film of the decade. One of the most expressive pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen.
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And basically, in conclusion, guys like Nolan and Aronofsky don't seem well defined to me yet, and get a bit more praise than they've earned. But hey, it's good you guys are enjoying their movies. Maybe it's just not my bag. Is THE FOUNTAIN anyone's bag? It's hard and takes talent to make any of these movies, period. But, as I said in an earlier post, if these guys are going to be compared to the greats, then they're fair game.
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Verhoeven is a much much much better director than either Aronofsky or Wiseman (who are on a similar plane)................................................................Thus proving your opinion is useless.
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I love how these Hollywood chicken-shit pussies are too cowardly to just admit that what they're doing is remaking films that were done better than they could ever make them to begin with. "Re-imagining"? Whatever you say, you fucking sell-out losers. Money talks and bullshit walks, right?!
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Fuck Hollywood!
Robocop is one of those perfect movies... why touch that? Just do a direct sequel to the original and make it ultra violence.
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True, the screenwriter has a large role in setting up the tone of the film. If someone like Dan O'Bannon was involved in this reboot I'd probably feel better about this. But ultimately the director is the one who determines how the film turns out. I haven't seen anything yet from Aronofsky that indicates that the man has a sense of humor! The new movie may look pretty cool, but without the edgy satire of the first Robocop film, most of its appeal (and original intentions) goes out the window. "Robocop" is much more than a straightforward superhero movie as "Fargo" is much more than a standard crime melodrama.
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Sorry, Robocop is a near-perfect film. No reason to reimagine - Verhoeven's Robocop IS the ONLY Robocop. This will not work unless it is a sequel.
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If you don't understand how that dark humour that plays thru Robocop is integral to it's success then you really should fucking kill yourself right now...this is NOT a movie ANYONE wants.
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So you humorless Aransofsky fuckwads (hey i dont mind the guy) who 'dont like the original' can just go kill your pompous over-serious asses
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"Verhoeven made 2 great films in my opinion (Robocop and Total Recall)"
Soldier of Orange? Turkish Delight? Black Book? Basic Instinct?
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...of epic proportions
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way to pull my interest down to limbo. Jackasses.
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The thing is about studio execs and hollywood types referencing Batman Begins and Dark Night as a reason to redo various franchises is that they dont realise what a rare commodity Christopher Nolans Intelligence and Vision is amongst todays Directors. The Best being Cameron(when he works),Del toro,Fincher,Nolan,Peter Jackson (Kong could have been better but not that bad) and Spielberg (but even the King has dropped the ball a few times recently). Beyond that youve got an army of complete muppets who are nigh on certain to fuck up any idea good or bad. Behind them you have a bunch of douche bag studios execs who greenlight some of the worst garbage dialogue scripts so they can get there almost guaranteed $120 million domestic returns(based on already present fan base) rather than use some intelligence and take there time and possibly make it a higher quality $300 - $400 million dollar blockbuster.
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And Lucas is easily included amongst those muppets. The new trilogy made a mint of the back of probably the biggest fan base in movie history but had the script and direction been equal to the first three films i think he may have had 3 films that got close to Titanic in box office. And he doesnt even have the excuse of being rushed.
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If we learned something from the re-imaginations of Bond, Batman (Haven't seen TDK yet, so feel free to ignore me in this case if I might be wrong), BSG and Co., it's that they are all so serious that they not just forget to entertain, but also there is absolutely NO room for humor or satire. Unfortunately Robocop was 50% action and pretty much 50% satire. So I think this might be a total dark and serious movie(Hey, you fanboys love that, right?) that forgot what made the original so great or they will put in some silly jokes and call it satire, just like how they did in the sequels.
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i really feel for you if you hated the new bond,batman and BSG because you felt they needed satire. Getting rid of the cheesy satire and humour and replacing it with a darker more gritty realism was 100% EXACTLY what those particular franchises needed.
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No offence guy but read a post properly before u reply please. Not once did i refer to Robocop in my previous post. Robocop is a perfect blend of satire and gritty eighties violence. Its an amazing film. I am refering to Bond, Bsg and Batman. I cant see how he thinks that cheesey seventies bright colours and campness in early bsg was not improved upon by the revamp. Same goes for Batman of the sixties. Those shows dont have much to offer outside of the nostalgic,uninteninal humour niche they now occupy for admirers in their 30s or older. And the direction that Bond had been heading in for the previous 3 movies was a joke. Infact id hardly call the previous 3 incarnations of these three frasnchises major satirical works. However Robocop is brilliant when its satirical and i wouldnt have it any other way. Still cant quite see where u gathered i was talking about robocop.
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Hollywood doesnt get that you dont need to gaze into the eyes of an actor to enjoy a film, never has
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Jul 31, 2008 7:55:08 AM CDT
Well, while I seriously don't like the original BSG...
by derlanghaarige
...the new one is much worse with its dark and "authentic" cinematography, the use of every single warmovie cliche and the producers constantly yelling "look how smart we are! We took a silly 70's show and made a post 9/11 series!" in my ear.
Casino Royale suffered from the exactly same problems that the Brosnan Bonds had, (bad script, action for the sake of action and so on) but because there aren't any Q-gimmicks in use anymore and (again) it's dark and "realistic", people suddenly think it's better.
Look, I'm free discuss every direction that the new Batman movies take. I'm as happy as everybody else that this franchise isn't a travesty anymore like it was 10 years ago, but Begins was just dull and boring. And again: Because it was dark and "realistic" people thought it was the re-invention of cinema. (Keep in mind: I haven't seen TDK yet, so I don't know if that one really delivers or people are just celebrating the last role of a pretty actor who died too young.)
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Jul 31, 2008 8:00:15 AM CDT
Bollocks, Casino Royale was the most authentic Bond since Conner
by quantize
fuck Q and the cliches, it was brutal like Connery...
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go and watch the Connery Bond films again...Bond is not the campy jokster Moore played when all those gimmicks really set in
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and yeh the whole 'ooohhh it's so darrrrk' is total wank...Batman Begins was boring as Batshit..i only hope to be vaguely entertained by TDK (hey im optimistic)..The Presitge was a dumb gag, so im still totally not sold on the Nolans.
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Whenever someone says "reimagining," it has this slimy, duplicitous air to it. Remake is straight forward and has either a neutral or slightly negative connotation. It's still better than "reimagining," which is always a sign of trouble. Maybe it would be better to take a cue from theatre and call it a "production" of Robocop. Same story, different creative team, different choices.
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Yeah, use the word 'reimagining,' because that was such a good thing for Halloween and Planet of the Apes.
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Using any derivation of the word "imagination" to one of the most unimaginative processes in filmmaking - the remake - smacks of the doublespeak that is becoming more and more prevalent in the business culture. The behemoth soulless corporation I work for (and feeds me money on a biweekly basis, thank you very much) within the last month sent us all an email that we were to no longer refer to the store employees overtime hours as "excess hours" but as ... gonna love this ... "opportunity hours". We are also not to refer to the word "problems" but "challenges" among a dozen other changes in terminology. I shit you not.
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I remember how I was so pumped for "ROBOCOP 2", dragging 2 friends with me,..all because I just knew that Frank Miller and Irvin Kershner (the director of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!) would shine with their talents. I will never, ever, forget that day of disappointment. On the way to the movie house, I was on cloud 10. But leaving, it was like being 6 feet under. Again and again, I apologized to my friends. Sad day, that was.
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Judge Dredd has lots of creative room. You have fantasy/hero/sci-fi elements and a world as big as the STAR WARS universe, if you so desire. You have everything already there, primed for a great story and the creative freedom for a talented director. Even just stylistically, there is tons of room. If you don't believe me, then just compare Burton's "BATMAN" with Nolan's "THE DARK KNIGHT" and then maybe, you'll get a sense of what Judge Dredd has to offer. From my perspective, you could take your pick from various directors, talent that offers a visual stamp, anyone from Tim Burton to David Fincher. Give us someone with talent behind the camera and I'm happy. Just make sure the story is worthy. Let's...re-imagine...Judge Dredd.
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this is the worst news ever. I can think of many many ways to f this up to make it more palatable to young kids.
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Does Aronovsky know how to do ultra-violent satire on the level of hilarious brilliance that Verhoven managed to pull off with Robocop and Starship Troopers? I have strong doubts. I mean, The Fountain is one of the most awful, sappy (from a vagina tree!), pretentious, and unintentionally hilarious movies I have ever seen. It was like watching a 16 year old emo-stoner have an emotional breakdown and writing bad poetry about it... and then forcing us to listen to it. Cringe-inducing. I felt embarrassed for him.
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This makes me giggle. Studio execs...
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Jul 31, 2008 11:52:01 AM CDT
I'm against a remake/sequel/reimagining/whatever it's called
by successor
But if they go through with it, there is one thing I would like to see. Have Robocop's gun leg open up, then he puts the Auto-9 back in its holster and it closes back up, all in one shot. Rather than in the original version, where they cut to a prop leg, the off screen hand puts the gun back in its holster, then it cuts to another shot of Robocop. With CGI nowadays, you could make a fake leg and edit out the actor's real leg and do it all in one shot. Other than that, though, I don't see a point in a remake. The original is just fine, thank you.
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The idea that he's going to somehow make Robocop dumber or less realistic is pretty asinine.
I thought it was REALLY obvious that when they said Aronofsky was more relevant that they were talking about getting AWAY from the Schumacher visuals & generic old RoboCop Costume
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I understand the problem with "re-imagining" but I think "reboot" is a way nerdier and more painfully self-conscious attempt at a euphemism. At the very least its use should be limited to these "it's like Batman Begins" movies and not used for every remake and sequel that comes along like it has been lately.
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Gotta love the English language with its bazillion and one complications and synonyms.
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I have nothing to say.
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If only a few core concepts are being used and the rest is almost completely new?
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As in: Ret-con that motarded mutha!
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That is a very creepy idea. "CGI Weller's chin onto the head" just say that a few times, it'll creep you out.
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Now thats an idea mmmmnnnnn Naked Lunch
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Actually, I'm not sure if this is true, but I had heard that they did ask Verhoven to do a sequel way back when, but he refused, saying something to the effect that he had said all he wanted to say with the character, didn't see the point of a sequel, and didn't want to do it. Again, not sure if thats true, but thats what I heard.
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Does anyone else think he has the amazing ability to take interesting scripts and turn them into complete and utter snorefests? For example, I just saw Die Hard 4.0 on dvd for the first time tonight and oh...my...fucking...gawd...was it boring? What should have been fun action packed escapism was actually a big dose of celluloid-Nytol. Same with his Underworld films - Vampires vs Werewolves vs hot chicks in PVC, should held my attention but alas - zzzzzzzzz! and whats with everybody whispering in his films. Jebus!
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I'm not knocking Aronofsky (sp), as anyone can at least find his films to be different. Like I said, I know and favor a bunch of people who take his films very seriously. I can't (at least not at this time.) I just don't see him hitting home runs. If the guy wants to take over the genre with some "original" (whatever THAT means) high-minded concept, he will have my full support. That said...
Paul Verhoeven is totally bugnuts and no amount of T&A, dismemberments, and futurism will ever be enough to throw the thoughtful among us off the trail. TBrs logging a requisite 2.5 decades are excused for not understanding the cultural impact this filmmaker continues to have, or that SFX are only as good as how they're used to tell the story. ROBOCOP is the movie, and everything following it is why we don't want to see a "reimagining" (although I like the Kirshner flick for what it is. "They'll fix it. They fix everything" CRANK!)
PV actually ran from Nazi's, even if he wasn't under fire. He sees classic U.S. Sci-fi as the McCarthyism it is, and he's figured out how to help us see it for ourselves. Bad taste or not, Verhoeven is the stuff, and continues to be the antidote to the Hollywood tripe that is overwhelmingly approve by the profiteering studio system. Tripe like the myriad of "reimaginings." Ultimately, no other director has challenged western cultural beliefs while still managing to entertain with such equal measure, yet while his work is still to be completed, Verhoeven will continue to get the short shrift. Such can't be said about any other director mentioned in this thread. -
And I really did dig the ending to it. I also remember seeing the bristle board cutout of Robocop at the theatre and dying to see it. Then it came to VHS (R rated when parents didn't take you to R rated) and it blew my mind and scared the shit outta me. Man that film nails.
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Clockwork Orange is by far and away, hands down and balls deep the most vicious satire of Western Society. I don't know if he coined the term ultra-violence, referred to in another posters on Mr Verhoeven, but he sure as shootin popularized it. P.V. is a great filmmaker - any shaken faith I had in him was restored in the superior 'Black Book' - but he ain't no Kubrick.
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FYI, the armored suits have found their way into the d2d "Starship Troopers 3: Marauder". Overall it's a pretty good flick, true to the spirit of the first one, although the special effects leave something to be desired at times. At least it's way, way better than the aweful second one.
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I've seen every movie he made multiple times. I'd say he's made two mad movies: "Showgirls" and "Business is business", the latter of which isn't so much bad as it is terribly dated. My favorites are "RoboCop", "Soldier of Orange", "Starship Troopers", "The Fourth Man", and "Blackbook". If you have seen any of those ones, go do yourselves a favor and watch them. Also recommended are "Turkish Delight", "Flesh + Blood", and "Katie Tippel". Admittedly, "Hollow Man" is mediocre at best, but BOY are those special effects (and Rhona Mitra) pretty.
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I meant "bad", not "mad". Verhoeven's made two BAD movies. Sorry.
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