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Pics of a T-600 as well as TERMINATOR: SALVATION footage description by Quint from Comic-Con!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. As crazy and stressful as it was to get into yesterday’s WATCHMEN panel, that was a walk in the park compared to the clusterfuck of clueless security people who did their damndest to let any of the press into the panel, despite being escorted by… you know… the studios who are actually renting the space to show the panel.

Anyway, McG comes out to a stage already dominated by the above T-600 and paraded out names to appease the audience. He talked about speaking with James Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger and the writer is Jonathan Nolan who co-wrote THE DARK KNIGHT. Then he said Stan Winston’s designs are all over the movie. In essence… “Please like it and don’t boo me.”

He addressed the rating, and said there are only two people who would want the film to be PG-13 and they told him to make the picture and if it’s R-rated, it’s R-rated. There might be some wiggle room there. Then he called Christian Bale’s cell… straight to voicemail and held it up, saying that he made a promise to Bale that if we didn’t cheer loud enough he wasn’t going to show any footage, so everybody screamed for Bale’s voicemail and the footage rolled. I’m going to run it like I ran my Wolf Man footage coverage… Here’s my typed notes, with the screen completely black as the footage rolled: Helicopter, bale lying on the ground. How many survivors are there? One. Dead terminator, light landscape, sunset. Stepping over terminator… daylight… come with me if you want to live from kyle reece to worthington… primative t800 machine gun, steps on skull - some road stuff looks like road warrior tow truck chase kyle rreeceterminator close up. If you saved us once in another future, you can save us in this one… conner screaming you son of a bitch as a t-800 hand comes into frame, dragging across his face as he screams. Here’s a more detailed description: The footage played very light… in that the aesthetic isn’t dark like in the flashbacks. This takes place a full 10 years before what we glimpse in T1 and T2 and the machines are in their early stages. The first shot was a high shot, looking down at a crashed chopper, with Bale lying on the ground. He sits up, sees the T-600 crushed under the chopper (we later see him aim his gun down, like the still that was released, and put a single bullet in the head as the lights go out in its eyes) and try to raise someone on a CB. He gets someone and is asked “How many survivors?” “One,” he responds. “Repeat?” Then he says it sharper, louder: “One!” He steps over a dead endoskeleton and walks into the deserty sunset. We’re introduced to Worthington, who seems like a good guy, but there’s a later scene with him chained up and Bale looking him in the eye saying “You killed my father, you tried to kill my mother and you’re not going to kill me.” Maybe I’m not up on what’s current with the flick, but is Worthington a terminator? Worthington sees a human shape in what looks like a broken down garden and calls out. It, of course, is a T-600 and shoots at him with machine guns attached underneath its arms. Worthington is tackled before he’s hit and Anton Yelchin sits up and says, “Come with me if you want to live,” with a smile. By the way, there was a couple of interesting glimpses: One, a shadowed T-600 overlooking a pen filled with humans, like a concentration camp and the other was a closer look at a T-600 with his face looking skull-like... not metal endo-skeleton skull, but human skull... kinda like the original Giger alien. Maybe that was a trick of the light, but something was different... maybe it was just some of the "fake rubbery skin" that the early Terminators are supposed to have that I'm mistaking for a skull. Then we got a lot of Road Warrior-ish chase scenes through a desert landscape, broken down cars… being chased by something we don’t see. The truck the humans use is a reinforced tow truck. There’s a voice-over from, I assume, Bryce Dallas Howard, where she says “If you saved us once in another future you can save us in this one.” One of the last shots was John Conner pinned to the ground, a close up as he screams out “YOU SON OF A BITCH!” and a Terminator hand comes into frame, looking like it’s going to touch his cheek. They cut to profile as it drags down his face as he screams. Is this the origin of the scar? That’s pretty much the footage… For the panel, McG is joined by Common, Bryce Dallas Howard, Moon Bloodgood, Anton Yelchin, Sam Worthington.

Here’s a few tidbits from the panel: - Takes place 10 years before the t-800 model, seeing the state of the war before what we’ve seen in the T2 future war sequence. - “We’re making a gritty and real terminator. It’s not for pansies. We’re making the terminator, you know?” Sam Worthington

- Skynet robots we will see are called Harvesters, transporters, hydrobots. Supposedly designed like Scott’s and Cameron’s Aliens universe. - Bryce Dallas Howard had an analogy to respond to a question about how they’re going to incorporate the ability to change your fate. Bryce held up a plastic cup and said if the cup is you and the table is fate, the assumption is if you drop the cup it will hit the table/fate. She dropped the cup and grabbed it with her other hand, saying that fate can be changed based on action.

- “I’m trying to protect the mythology of the first two movies. I wouldn’t have signed on if they hadn’t. I love Jim’s films and Jim himself.” – Sam Worthington - Will Schwarzenegger be back? McG dances around it, saying that the T-800 definitely is part of the mythology, but won’t say any more. - Sci-Fi is over, according to McG because we’re living it. Spell-checking blackberrys, sheep cloning, etc. He’s making this a war movie. - They’re approaching it like Nolan approached BATMAN BEGINS. - Claims the ending on AICN was deliberate manipulation by the studio. Get Kyle Reese to the point where Linda Hamilton would sleep with him. Yelchin studied the first movie and dissected the character in order to keep it consistent. - T-600 is the robot on the stage. - Do we get to see what Skynet looks like? Yep. Studied Chernobyl for post-apocalyptic world. - An Asian dude named Tim came up to the mic and asked a question using an Arnold voice. McG: “That was awesome. And if you’re Asian, that was fuckin’ unbelievable. Bring him up!” And the dude took the stage alongside another pair that came to the mic dressed up. One as Sarah Connor from T2 and the other as the T-1000 with bullet hits on him. For that dude’s question he held up a photo of Eddie Furlong and asked the panel: “Have you seen this boy?”

- Film will be dedicated to Stan Winston. - John Rosengrant was brought up, from Stan Winston Studios to talk about the machinery. McG’s analogy was the first Mac you bought was huge and had 2 megs of memory and today Macbook Air can control the world. The T-600s are bulky, huge, weathered… 7 feet tall. Soviet tank is the inspiration. - Moon’s a pilot, Sam is Marcus and Moon takes Sam to an outpost led by John Connor. Moon and Sam are romantic interests. - Bryce is Kate Connor. “What attracted you to this picture other than you get to make out with Bale?”- McG - Common: “I’m just glad to be here, honestly. Every time I see the trailer and the clips I’m like, ‘I’m in the Terminator! I can’t believe it!’ We rollin’, man. ” – Common And that was the panel. I had to run off and do an interview at the very end, but there’s some good stuff in there. All in all… I need to see more. I like that they’re changing the aesthetic and perhaps building towards the future world we see in the original films and Bale was great, but I want to see a little bit more… maybe a full scene… to see how it works dramatically. Be back soon with more! -Quint

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  • July 26, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I'll be back again

    by Kneprock

    I'm a sucker for anything Terminator

  • July 26, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST


    by Errockk


  • July 26, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Seriously, he should drop the "McG" handle

    by BeeDub

    It makes him seem like an utter tool.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST


    by Skutch23

  • July 26, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    “Have you seen this boy?”

    by the milf lover

    yes, he's been in a lot of shitty movies, and also in rehab.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I liked Bryce's fate analogy better..

    by blackmantis

    ...when I heard it in Minority Report. Unless McG has had a brains and talent transplant, this film will suck.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    If Christian Bale is in it...

    by Darth Mulder has to be great.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Looks pretty cool

    by boogy110

    I saw the Trailer before the Dark Knight. I for one, loved T3. I don;t understand , why some people hated it.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    dum dum dum da......(theme)

    by rben

    sci-fi is done, i'm making a war picture. sigh...go into any bookstore. all these great writers, great stories continuing to be ignored by hollow wood.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST


    by TheDudeintheShadows

    i dont think bale would do anything that could suck. and jon nolan is a fuckin genius. i call em like i see em, and this is gunna be dope

  • July 26, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Bale's Always Great

    by Frat Boy


  • July 26, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    I roll with Bale.

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    The man hasn't really headlined something that completely sucked and it's got a writing credit by Jonathan Nolan, hmm... there could be something here.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    He admits the "McG" thing is lame, but he stubbornly keeps it

    by Rupee88

    Yeah it's probably very superficial but it is the main thing that hurts his credibility.

  • Can't even begin to describe how much I detest T3. I never had a problem with McG though. There was a lot of pandering here, but hey, future wars. Neat.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    McG should drop the name, but no mention of the rapper?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Humm.... A double standard I think. If a rapper is going to be in a movie, I say he has to go by his REAL name, not his stupid ghetto gangster whatever bullshit handle. "We rollin', man!" How stupid sounding.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    McG is superior to his real name.

    by Saluki

    I mean, there is no getting around THAT. So hey, McG stays. Get over yourselves.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST


    by boogy110

    I was just wondering why you detest T3. Everyone ofcourse has a right to their opinion, but I thought T3 was awesome. It was very dark and gitty at the end. I thought that was cool.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Nolan getting writing credit?

    by UMAGA

    Anyone hear about this?

  • July 26, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Bale's "always great"?

    by darthvedder81

    Exhibit A: "Newsies"

  • July 26, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    BALE working on bail?

    by halberd

    I can forgive his absence... the Dark Knight has been a busy man as of late. Either way, wish he was at the panel.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    It was all very tacky in costume design, set design, product placement. The sheen of T2 was gone. Everything was shot during boring mid-day sun. Nick Stahl as John Conner looked ridiculous. The new terminator was a downgrade. I admit to having a chip on my shoulder about the ending originally, but it does work, and is quite ballsy. There was just no point to watching T3 for me. T2 did it all better. I actually left the theater angry, just as I did with Jurassic Park 3, yet another film that was giving fans what they wanted, but in a sub-par manner. But hey, this is a good time for you to tell me what you enjoyed. I'm up for that.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    T3 wasn't terrible...

    by Damage_Inc

    It was just weak.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST


    by SwedishChef

    are they ignoring t3..and where exactly does the Sarah Connor chronicles fit in if at all? This is giving me a headache.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by SwedishChef

    and T3 was terrible..sorry it just crapped on the face of the movies that came before....Talk to the hand.....Dear Lord

  • July 26, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    McG is a hack.

    by jimmy_009

    I can already tell from that terrible teaser that it's going to be all style over substance, which is his calling card.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Bale was great in Newsies!!!

    by Thrillho77

    Something-something SEIZE THE DAY! <p> Okay, fine, that movie was shit.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    AICN leaked ending

    by JimBobCooter

    (SPOILER) <p> PLEASE tell me a main character doesn't become a terminator. PLEASE tell me it was a hoax. I want to believe. But Hollywood is that stupid and this smells like a lame cover to me.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by Thrillho77

    You could tell that his character was statutorily fucked by Ann Margaret. Sure, she was well traveled by that time - but she should be on everyone's "lifetime" list. Meaning if you get the chance to fuck her at any time in her life, you take it and be damn glad you had the honor.

  • July 26, 2008, 11 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    In the above article, it states the AICN ending was a hoax.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    This is the future wars, so they aren't ignoring T3. And I think the Sarah Conner Chronicles are before T3.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    So YOUR the guy that liked Zimmer's synth work!

  • July 26, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    I think these are the rubber fleshed terminators Reese spoke of in Terminator 1.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Too many names?

    by UMAGA

    Who the fuck is a star besides Christian Bale? I bet Brian Tyler is doing the music.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    So I guess Kyle Reese now looks like Art Garfunkle

    by IndustryKiller!

    Gimme a break

  • July 26, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones

    by Saluki

    That was the exact point that I gave up on the film, I think. One man's gold...

  • July 26, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    T2 sucked ass

    by VegasRon

  • July 26, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Not to finish my thought...

    by VegasRon

    The acting,story and script were terrible.<p> The only great thing about it was the music and the amazing FX, which still stand today.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    T3 was shit, T2 was classic.

    by UMAGA

    You can't argue this. It's set in stone.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Oh and saying the Ending leak was the studio is a outright lie

    by IndustryKiller!

    The studio leaks things to throw people off, not to make everyone think the film is going to be total shit. They don't leak things that will outright alienate fans and cause bad buzz, which anyone with a fucking brain would be able to know given that rumor. McG tried to lie once about that ending and now he's just doing it again, trying to save face. Now the ending very well may have changed by now due to all our vitriol but I doubt it was leaked by the studio to throw us off, they wouldnt dare risk the backlash. besides some sites were reporting that they had heard that rumor long before it was actually leaked.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    McG's real name...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Joseph Nichol. What's wrong with using his own name now? If he feels he's created a "brand" under McG and is reluctant to use his real name now, then I would advise he start transitioning by putting "McG" in the middle: Joseph "McG" Nichol. (By the way, his middle name is, in fact, McGinty -- that's where the McG nickname comes from.)

  • July 26, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by MaxCalifornia.

    "Come with me if you want live". Ugh! And how ass-clenchingly cheesy is it going to be when they have someone say "I'll be back".

  • July 26, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST


    by Saluki

    I'm ribbing ya. Tangerine Dream were always a bit too busy for my tastes, but Vangelis holds up. John Carpenter is a fine composer, that uses all the wrong tools. Fiedel's synth in the Terminator universe just clicks, and his other work gives a broad landscape. But I draw the line at Zimmer. ;D

  • July 26, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like It Could Be Totally Fucking Awesome

    by LaserPants

    Please be R. Please? But if not, make it hard-Pg13 (a new thing I just came up with seeing the just-about-R TDK). But really, you know, it should be R.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Loved T1, Hated T2, Liked T3

    by LaserPants

    I've gone over it so many times, and most of you already know my opinion, that its pointless to even type it. And yet I did. I blame Xenu.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels

    by Saluki

    ... Surprised me. Junk pop fun. Slick and goofy. Charlie's Angels Full Throttle? I... I was dumbfounded. It wasn't even really a movie. It was like some experiment in film, just to see how disjointed a narrative can become to test the audience's limits. I like to believe in director's rising to the challenge, but too often the results are middling, yeah?

  • July 26, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Hating T2 is like hating..bliss.

    by UMAGA

    You sad bastard.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Terminator was cool, but that was along time ago

    by Smithaz1981

    The whole concept and story behind this was James Cameron's idea, and now, well with T3 (Which I will never ever see, along with any future Terminator flick) they've ruined the vision, just so a production company can stay alive and some thief and stay rich, these people should be shot, what the hell is Christian Bale doing signing up for this film. I wonder how much their paying his ass. Kill they dreamer eh Dr. Shannon

  • July 26, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    BTW, I doubt the studio leaked that ending.

    by UMAGA

    Certainly seems like they aren't going that route, THANK GOD. Sounds like Marcus is a resistance fighter that Connor believes is a Terminator. Sounds like he's right.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Let's argue T2 versus T3!

    by Saluki

    We've never done that in a Talkback! Ahahahahaha. All the while T1 sits back and secretly enjoys the squabble.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    god...he even had a small sign in front of him with "McG"

    by Seth Brundle

    dude....seriously...use your real name, that makes you look like a child

  • July 26, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Breaks Second Weekend Record

    by Saluki

    Is there anything Bale won't beat? :D But seriously, no beating was had between he and his mum, just lots and lots of shouting. Over money. And his wife. Annnd money.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    so much newbs and youngsters with my favorite franchise in their

    by Seth Brundle

    even Bale is kinda "new", and they have been chosen to handle such an important scared

  • July 26, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint, did they addressed AICN by name on the leaked ending

    by Seth Brundle

    didnt they pointed fingers at you or something?

  • July 26, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST


    by VegasRon

    ...are you a 12?<p> Not being a dick, just wondering.

  • July 26, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    subtract the "a" from that question.

    by VegasRon

  • July 27, 2008, midnight CST

    Hey Quint

    by Damage_Inc

    I'd like to know the answer to that too. Please tell!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi2 + VegasRon

    by UMAGA

    Bale was in Japan promoting The Dark Knight. VegasRon, no i'm not a 12, but thanks for thinking of me as more then a perfect 10.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    I was referencing the above article in my above post. But thanks for the response. :-) <p> And VegasRon, you sound like Roman Polanski.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by Mr_X

    seriously. t3 better then t2? lol. yes i laugh in the face of you. and your credibility. mcg ( agreed he should be called something normal) hack he maybe. but he's assembled a great team. bale is shit hot now, and this might be able to be pulled off. it's due to happen. predator and alien films all sucked. ( not including aliens) this film it seems is not a reboot but within the same continuity. theres a lot of negatives here, but a load of positives. i err on the side of caution, but they may just well be able to pull this off.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Has anyone noticed......

    by Damage_Inc

    That it's Saturday night and there's no Scriptgirl shit to be seen? Maybe we are finally rid of her and all her bullshit. Thank Christ.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    regards to scriptgirl...

    by wyvern

    that would be to easy to get rid of her and her magnificent cleavage!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    octagonproplex - I've taken the ride

    by Saluki

    Actually have owned the scores to Broken Arrow and The Rock since released. Then Gladiator came out and everyone had to have'em, hehe. Have you heard Steve Jablonsky's Transformers score? It is the ultimate Zimmer rip-off. He actually jammed Dead Man's Chest, Batman Begins and a few other bits together.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    you know what the weirdest aspect of the Terminator francise is

    by Magic Rat

    the fact that time travel is an established fact, yet seems almost irrelevant to the basic storyline. <br> <br> I mean, if you can send a bad Terminator back in time, and you can send a guy back in time, and then send a good Terminator AND a bad Terminator back in time - why not just keep sending people back in time right before Skynet goes postal until you get it right?

  • July 27, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    No ScriptGirl

    by JimBobCooter

    Don't thank Christ for her absence. Thank Brian DiMuccio, or whoever the hell JackNance turned out to be.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Yeah, If Bliss Sucked

    by LaserPants

    Hating T2 would be like hating bliss. BUT since bliss doesn't suck, you're analogy makes no sense.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    That Is To Say, YOUR Analogy Makes No Sense

    by LaserPants

    Hello, edit function?

  • July 27, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi2 - Let's take some points into account.

    by Saluki

    This is London, where you can indeed be arrested for shouting. Sources say there was something between a push and a brush. He was technically never arrested. But anyway, I don't want to bother sorting it out, when we'll hear more in September about it all anyways.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Terminator timelines

    by JimBobCooter

    I agree. Why not go to the wild west and kill a Connor ancestor at a time they couldn't possibly defend themselves? Is there some sort of "Quantum Leap" rule that you can only go so far back in time... or it takes so much energy to use... or something? I don't remember.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Magic Rat - As Far As I Can Tell

    by Saluki

    Between the Sarah Connor Chronicles and Terminator 3, they DO keep sending these war machines back in time. =O

  • July 27, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by JimBobCooter

    Hating T2 makes no sense. So you two are even.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    I would hope they are consistent with what happened in Terminato

    by Cotton McKnight

    Oddly enough, I don't really care as much about how they "honor" the first one than with how they make improvements over the third. Sets, designs, all that other stuff- make it look like Cameron. But the story has to be consistent with the third, at least for me to like it. It's a better story than the second. The second was groundbreaking, fun, all that stuff. But T3 actually advanced the plot and gave meaning to the universe we are stepping into.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    there is a new Scriptgirl!

    by the milf lover <p> looks like everyone is just too busy at comiccon to post it tonight tho

  • July 27, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    911 and ScriptGirl are both a joke

    by Rupee88

    I hope she is gone...probably blowing a movie producer somewhere...fine and dandy just don't bore us here.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    And T2 is the best action movie of the last 20 yrs

    by Rupee88

    And of course you could call it a sci-fi film to some degree as well..labels are not necessary but it is still amazingly entertaining.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    T2 = Bliss

    by UMAGA

    I WIN.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Hating T2 Makes Perfect Sense

    by LaserPants

    If you're not retarded. If you are retarded, on the other hand, than T2 is the gweatest moobie evar! Robodaddy, don't go! We wuv woo! WE WUV WOO!!!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    I'm not retarded!

    by the milf lover

    T3 is better! Crane chase + Kristanna Loken = good times! T2 wasnt all bad, thanks to Robert Patrick, but T3 > T2.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Whatever... Bring on WATCHMEN!

    by grievenom

  • July 27, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    All this Bale love....

    by StarskyandHushky

    ..I actually think he is the weakest link in TDK. As Bruce he just does his 'yuppie playboy' thing that he does in most of the movies, and as Batman he just grunts in a silly deep voice. I loved TDK, but only because its not about Bale's Batman.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    T3 IS Better!

    by LaserPants

    Thank you, Milf Lover, for having the courage to speak the truth of T2s craptacular nature.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    youre welcome LaserPants

    by the milf lover

    but you dont have to thank a man for telling the truth!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    You have to be retarded to like T3.

    by UMAGA

    I WIN. Talk to the hand. LOL I BET U LUV THAT LIEK in T3.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    damn ScriptGirl returns

    by Rupee88

    like I said, she is just annoying and boring...I don't come to AICN to look at porn for 13 year olds. If I want porn for adults, it only takes a couple of clicks, and I'm there. oh well, her talkbacks are funny so no big deal.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    you say Terminato i say terminator

    by Mr_X

    lets call the whole thing off

  • July 27, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    T3 is better than T1

    by Rupee88

    I'd rather watch T3 than T1 anyday. T1 was better when it was released, but hasn't held up. T3 has some good action, a hot terminatrix, and is fun and harmless.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    T1 would be better if..

    by UMAGA

    Arnold could grow his boobs. JOHN'S BLOOD! ORGASM!!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    and saying T2 sucks is like saying the first SW sucks.

    by Rupee88

    It is such an absurd statement that no one is going to take you seriously.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    No, Saying T2 Sucks Is Like Saying THE PHANTOM MENACE Sucks

    by LaserPants

    And this is the truest of truths for verily, did not both suck? Yes! A thousand times yes! They both sucked the flies off a dead donkey's rotting balls.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    No, You Have To Have Good Taste To Say T2 Sucks

    by LaserPants

    We could go on like this forever!

  • July 27, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    You need to watch T3 again..

    by UMAGA

    Seriously now. If you can stomach it.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST me T2 is better than the original Star Wars trilogy

    by Seth Brundle

    cause i think that sci-fi is cooler when is in our present time and era and you come up with something amazing that fits well in the "normal" world, it has less merit when you have the license to create a whole universe to suit your story and creations like in LOTR and Star Wars..... but thats me....and yeah i know im the only one who thinks that

  • July 27, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer!

    by Jed Black

    Well said, I am already tired of Lebeouf Jr., the poor little balding sonofabitch.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    "from the writers of Catwoman..."

    by Adelai Niska

    should be the first line in the next trailer

  • July 27, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    "From the writer of The Dark Knight"

    by UMAGA

    It seems like Nolan did enough to get writing credit.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Come with me if you want to live????????

    by Skraggo

    Fuck... someone actually says "Come with me if you want to live" in this thing???? What the hell, man? Are we supposed to clap and giggle like Chris Griffin when we hear that phrase in a Terminator movie? And what is this shit about John Connor confronting some character about killing his father and trying to kill his mother? Unless he's maybe somehow talking to Skynet itself, that doesn't make any goddamn sense at all.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    "If you saved us once in another future..."

    by veebeeyes

    Ugh. Fuck that. It's supposed to be the SAME future. Bad sequels are bad enough, but why do they have to retroactively fuck up the first movie, which is the only one of those movies that was any good anyway?

  • July 27, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Rupee88 I bet you are 13yrs old

    by _SnakePlissken_

    You would honestly rather watch T3 over The Terminator cause of the special effects?? I beat Jason Stathom is your favorite action hero too.. and "Shooter" was the best movie ever made

  • July 27, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST


    by _SnakePlissken_

    "bet jason stathom".. although i would love to beat the silly looking twot

  • July 27, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Fate can be changed by action? Bullshit.

    by veebeeyes

    If Skynet hadn't acted in order to prevent the birth of John Connor, John Connor never would have led the resistance. Furthermore, the information leading to the creation of Skynet and the Terminators CAME FROM THE TERMINATOR. In other words, in order for robots to take over in the future, a robot had to first travel back in time from the future so that the robots could be created. What does this all mean? It means that in the world of The Terminator, fate rules EVERYTHING. No one in 1984 had ANY say in what they did, because events HAD to unfold in such a way as to lead to the EXACT future from which Kyle Reese and The Terminator came. Those are the rules for the Terminator universe, established in the first fucking movie. You suddenly change everything and say "there's no fate but what we make", without providing a plausible explanation for how that can be, and you are simply retroactively fucking up the first movie. Fuck that, and fuck anyone who tries to say that free will has any place in the world of The Terminator.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST


    by ewokstew

    where's a good pic of moon bloodgood?

  • July 27, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST


    by CellarDweller

    Stick to what you know best: lame-ass wire work and trying to make Drew Barrymoore look attractive next to Cameron Diaz. Any grown man that refers to himself as "McG" is a totally fucking tool. This termitor is going to be a Mcmess mark my words fellow nerds.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Panel on YooooouTooob

    by UMAGA

  • July 27, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Magic Rat...

    by veebeeyes

    Why can't you keep sending people back until you get it right? Because, as implied by the first movie, you can NEVER get it right. It's outright impossible. Skynet tried it, and they ensured the exact same future that they were hoping to avoid. What has happened has happened. What is is. In the world of The Terminator, that is how the universe works. If you go back in time to change ANYTHING, you will fail. The most you will accomplish is realizing that your actions in the past are EXACTLY how things have always been. There was NEVER a version of time in which John Connor was humanity's saviour WITHOUT having been influenced in his youth by Terminators. That is how John Connor came to be, that is how John Connor came to be a great military leader, and NOTHING can be changed.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST


    by messi

    Fucking hell, the guy can write. This might be good after all.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by Zodou

    Why is there an M on the T-600's chest plate? Is that to indicate it's a McDroid?

  • July 27, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale wasn't charged.

    by UMAGA

    So ya.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    His cell was

    by UMAGA


  • July 27, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Anton Yelchin blows

    by Horace Cox

    That kid looks and sounds like a complete pussy, and Reese wasn't a pussy. Plus he just plain sucks. Bad casting choice.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Why is Common and Shia Labeauf in EVERYTHING!

    by ganymede3010

    These casting directors sure are getting lazy these days.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Seth and Damage

    by Quint

    No specific shout-outs, unfortunately. But I do feel like I'm being followed at the Con so if I don't show up in Austin at the end of next week, someone start asking the Terminator production questions! AVENGE ME!!!

  • July 27, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Laserpants, you got an argument to back up that hyperbolic hoprs

    by IndustryKiller!

    And no saying "the script and acting and everything else about T2 was total shit!!!! BLARGHHH!!!" is not an argument.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    "hyperbolic horseshit" that should have read

    by IndustryKiller!

    and since the forum cut off horseshit my imminent misspelling of it doesn't count!

  • July 27, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    I was in Hall H for the Terminator Salvation panel...

    by Rindain

    And it looks great...Bale and Worthington have great chemistry. It's intense when they face off. And Moon Bloodgood is extremely hot.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Jack Colby

    by UMAGA

    Why so serious?

  • July 27, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    And also...

    by UMAGA

    Lick my bunghole.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Best thing about T3

    by Soulpower

    Arnie in the wrecked car on the graveyard: 'Valley of Peace'

  • July 27, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    T3 started weak, but built up some solid momentum

    by SpencerTrilby

    Salvation looks fine, let's hope it's not a hack job that plagues the whole planned trilogy. It's not just living up to the previous ones, but it has to lead to some seriously wicked stuff in part 5 and 6. I have hope, but the constant name-dropping (Jonathan Nolan! Christian Bale! Lemmy!) is a bit of a concern, as if they were trying too hard.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Need to see more......

    by thot

    ....too many little pieces. The description does sound like it has promise though. Sounds like they're committed to making this a good one. And by the way, Claire Danes was one of the best things about T3, which was a very decent follow up to T2.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    "Sci-fi is over"

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Yeah, that's great McG. See any huge fucking spaceships flying over your head at the moment? Idiot.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    T3 eats rancid rhino diarhoea

    by hiperaktiv

    fucking movie sucked. Dont ever fucking compare it to the masterpiece of action sci-fi that was T2. Mother fucking geeks should be shot for doing that.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    No wonder the T-600 couldn't infiltrate well

    by Prossor

    as Reese pointed out in T1 because they had rubber skin, but i didn't know they were also fucking Hulk-sized.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by VegasRon

    It's not like I hate T2 or anything. I just think it's insanely overrated. I didn't even form this opinion until my ex-GF and I bought the 10th anniversary SE dvd a few years ago. After watching it we were amazed that this was the same flick we'd idolized as teenagers. The ending scene with Arnie lowering himself into the molten metal with a thumbs up sign got groans from both of us. This movie just doesn't hold up once you become an adult and actually critique it.<p> Yes, the direction was great, the music rocks, the FX are groundbreaking and still hold up very well to this day. But the acting, spearheaded by the dreadful Furlong, is pretty bad. Linda Hamilton is NOT a good actress when she has to actually emote. But when she gets all RIGHTEOUS ANGER I just rolled my eyes. The weaknesses of both of these actors is also compounded by some pretty hokey dialogue.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by Dijjot

    t1 and t3 were not more than action movies imho. action movies respective to the times they were made.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST


    by VegasRon

    You're an idiot. No way no how is T2 better than T1. It's just bigger and louder.<p>

  • July 27, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    T3 isn't really a Terminator flick

    by Xiphos_2

    It is however a fairly decent chase flick with some good practical car stunts. The first Terminator is by far the best one. Now argue amongst yourselves.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    I really think it boils down

    by VegasRon

    to the endings. T1's "a storm is coming" to this day still gives me chills. T3's apocalypse was pretty damn bold and I'm sure pissed some suits off. T2's ending? Arnie and a thumbs up. lulz.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Robodaddy 2 was a sappy shitball

    by Prossor

    T1>T3>T1. T3 knew it was an actioner from the beginning and didnt piss me off as that masquerading lie T2. T1 is the only classic of the bunch.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST


    by Prossor


  • July 27, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    ok T2s ending wasn't the best

    by Rupee88

    but it is still the best of the three...and go back and find the talkback right after T3 was was incredibly positive. You guys have changed your mind over the years...just revisionist history. T1 is just forgettable for the most part even though I saw it on TV recently. It had a cool premise, but not much beyond that. And the stop-motion Terminator looked retarded.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 27, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST


    by Volllllume3

    How the fuck can people claim with a straight face that T3 was good in any way, shape or form? A shitty script, shitty directing, shitty acting and lousy comedic relief (ELTON JOHN GOGGLES WTF?) does not make a good Terminator movie. The Terminatrix on itself was shitty and retarded.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Terminator Timelines....

    by ThaAtrain

    JimBob. No you couldnt just go back to the wild west and kill a Connor ancestor. As Reese states in the interrogation room: Skynet didnt have COnnor's entire history, only knowing his mother's name and the city she resided. Thats why Arnie was "just being systematic" when killing the first 2 Sarah COnnors.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    how about we just...

    by depalma25

    wait for the film to be released. These talkbacks are sad. People get so consumed by trailers and interviews. They mean nothing. The film will speak for itself.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    One thing I have a problem with...

    by chuffsterUK

    ...and always have. If Skynet was able to send more advanced Terminators back through time,why not send them back to kill Connor during the war?(ignoring of course,the fact that he was eventually killed by an `Arnie"bot!) Why wouldn't there be advanced models instead of T-600s walking round in t4,for example?

  • July 27, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Why? Heres a few reasons why:<br><br> 1) Terminator as Robodaddy -- for some insane reason, Cameron thought it was a good idea to turn the Terminator into an ersatz father figure. AWFUL.<br><br> 2) Ludicrously overwrought and unintentionally hilarious sense of gravitas as if it were written by a 10 year old with slim to no understanding of how actual adults think, talk, and act.<br><br> 3) Linda Hamiliton's hammy butch lesbo paramilitary mom act that isn't remotely believable. Mostly because she couldn't act her way out of a paper-bag.<br><br> 4) Whiny bitch ass teenager John Connor instead of the bad ass military leader we'll FINALLY get to see in T4. I mean, I HATED John Connor. I kept hoping Early 90s CGI Man would capture him and torture him to death.<br><br> 5) Ending stolen right from Old Yeller. Seriously! Its practically the exact same ending. Cringe-inducing.<br><br> 6) Early 90s CG Man forgetting he has the ability to mimic anybody's appearance and voice. This happens at the end where he tortures Sarah Connor in an attempt to force her to call for her son -- a trick he pulls himself not 30 seconds later. (And yeah, I've heard the defense that his systems were malfunctioning, and that WOULD be a good defense if it was in the actual fucking movie. Cameron just straight up forgot. He must have written the script in a weekend whilst high on painkillers.)<br><br> 7) Guns N' Roses soundtrack. The very definition of uncool.<br><br> Thats just offa the top of my head. So just to get it straight:<br><br> T1 = All time classic! A great and unique story, one of the ages.<br><br> T2 = Mind-numbingly awful piece of shit for affluent suburban kids with deep seated father issues.<br><br> T3 = Campy fun with cool action sequences, an awesome grindhouse-y bathroom fight scene, and a darker ending more in keeping with the original intention of T1. <br><br> Oh, and for the love of god, please do stop saying I thought T3 was the best movie of the bunch. I have NEVER said this. I said that T1 is the best of the bunch, the only classic of the bunch, the only one that deserves all the praise it gets.

  • July 27, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    If You Didn't Like The Terminatrix (With Resizable Roboboobs)

    by LaserPants

    You are gay. Straight up Liberace gay. I bet you got hard when Early 90s CGI Man was naked at the beginning.

  • July 27, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    You are gay. Straight up Liberace gay. I bet you got hard when Early 90s CGI Man was naked at the beginning of T2.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I just don't know

    by dr sauch

    if this will suck. It's a total toss-up,

  • July 27, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Did Common win an Academy Award at some point?

    by Cagliostro

    Did I miss something? It seems like this guy is being offered everything lately-or is it just because he's one of the only two non-threatening rappers, which any decent film has just got to have.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry, but even with your subjective and slightly naive

    by T 1000 xp professional

    points for T2 sucking, I still can't comprehend the dislike of the movie. I also apologize that i'm going to have to ignore it....Anyways, Jonathan Nolan wrote this?! I'm pretty freaking excited about this. This movie is reallllllllyyyyyyy trying to be good.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by REDD

    I'll be a pig fucked, tomboy beanpole with flaming nipples...that looks cool.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    We get it Laserpants

    by magic_ninja

    You hate your daddy so you hate T2. Or all the "cool kids" when you were in school liked T2 so you have to hate it. It's cool. We get it. Guns N Roses soundtrack? One song douchebag. Sorry you got picked on for being a dork in school. Oh, and you've been called out on your T-1000 malfucntioning bullshit numerous times, so get the fuck over it.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Go easy on Bale....john connor yelled at his mum a lot too

    by smackfu

  • July 27, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Huh? Thats doesn't even make any sense. Explain that. Seriously, do tell. If anything, what I wrote was overtly cynical, specifically bashing the naivete of T2 with its cloying, wide-eyed insistence that we accept Terminator as Robodaddy and a shoe-horned-in happy (or, slap-happy) ending. Besides, pretty hard to be both cynical and naive seeing as how they are diametrically opposed concepts. Did you just say naive because it sounds good or something?<br><br> But yeah, either way, regardless of the disagreement on the relative merits or lack thereof in T2, I think this T4 thing sounds really pretty fuckin' cool. And it was written by Nolan? One half of the brilliant team who brought us this years BEST movie? THE DARK KNIGHT! The movie that somehow managed to make a bad-ass Pg-13 movie? Fuckin' A! Right On!!! SO there.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST


    by REDD

    What about Giorgio Moroder and Jan Hammer?

  • July 27, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Magic_Ninja, What Are You Fucking 12 Or Just Retarded?

    by LaserPants

    I hate my father? I wasn't a a "cool kid?" That doesn't even make any fuckin' sense! Are you just throwing shit out at random? <br><br> Oh, also, I was in college when T2: OLD YELLER came out in the theatre, saw it with my girlfriend at the time, and HATED IT. So, at that point in my life, I was pretty much over cool kids vs. uncool kids (I considered myself a punk rocker in high school and was in a band and all that bullshit, so, even when I was knee deep in cornball adolescent social politics, technically, I was one of the cool kids, but you know, one of those "bad" ones who hated church and did drugs and got laid, oh, and also had straight As) at that point. I'm assuming you were, what, 10 when you saw T2? That would explain your nostalgia for the craptacular T2. Trust me, I understand, I liked all kinds of stupid shit when I was 10 too. Then I grew up. Imagine that!<br><br> Seriously, though, good luck with middle school and the hormones and all that. You'll graduate eventually.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    T3 was a decent picture...

    by CurtKobain

    ...if you're not a pathetic loser with a man-crush on Cameron (the director not the little tart from Sarah Connor Chronicles). The reason people rag on T3 was because their precious King Of The World Cameron wasn't directing. That's all those mutant homunculi care about. The fact that it was a pretty decent action pic doesn't register, because those retards are too busy worshipping an image of J.C. (that's James Cameron, not Jesus Christ). Personally, I can't wait for T4, although on opening night I'll probably have to push through a stinking crowd of syphilitic protestors holding up placards emblazoned with Cameron's ugly mug. I'm there opening night anyway.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Nolan = sold

    by Charlie Murphy

    I'm there.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Look folks, T2 is better than T3 in every single way

    by Cotton McKnight

    except story. I'm sorry, but it just is. T2 didn't really DO anything for the Terminator Universe except introduce a lot of questions that T3 answered brilliantly. If you get down to it, the movie can be summed up this way: <p>Arnold is a good guy, and a new terminator made of liquid metal is a bad guy. Great, but that's it. Everything revolved around how to make that possible. Where's Sarah Connor? Why isn't she protecting John? Oh let's make her be in an insane asylum. Okay, well there has to be a story, doesn't there? More than the metal guy chasing Arnie and John, and both have to die at the end right? Okay.. well how about they race to stop skynet. And lets have it end in a molten metal factory so they both can melt.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    What? Asian people can't do Arnold impressions?

    by fiester

    It's only the easiest impression outside of Nickolson. Sheesh.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    Gingers haha! Yeah. Freakin gingers...

  • July 27, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Now my plot summary of T3

    by Cotton McKnight

    Much more thoughtful than that. The movie did not exist simply to show us a new terminator. Were there gimmicks? Of course. But the gimmicks weren't driving the plot: <p>Story is about how John is on the road, off the grid, because he truly doesn't believe that the war won't begin. Enter a new Terminator and it's Arnie counterpart. There are the special effects and action sequences we are all used to, but we learn why everything happens. How important the day T2 took place was. How that was a pivotal moment that changed everything. How Skynet was created by us, activated by us, and wound up manipulating us. Did we even know what Skynet was before? Nope. No idea. It was just this ambiguous bunch of machines that wanted to kill us. And the only hint of anything about the future came in the form of weird dreams by Kyle Reese in the first movie. Which by the way didn't show us anything except a bunch of construction equipment. <p>I would never put down T1 because it's brilliant. I am just saying that T3 rounded out a really good trilogy that complemented T2 beautifully.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    McG and co. seem reluctant to admit they liked T3 but if they hated it they probably wouldn't be making a sequel to it, which this is, since they are continuing with Kate Brewster etc.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    "No fate but what we make"

    by Bobo_Vision

    By the way, Bryce Howard stole that analogy from Minority Report.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    by Bobo_Vision

    The cup analogy I mean.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I suppose....

    by Mister C

    ...that this marcus fellow is the old T1 terminator with a new human skin, if john was saying he was the one who killed his father

  • July 27, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Bryce Dallas Howard:

    by Embeedeuce


  • July 27, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    damn T2 vs T3 discussion...

    by LabattsBleu

    laserpants, i think you hit the nail on the head by calling T3 "campy fun"...yes, T2 was pretentious in some ways, but some prefer that over the 'tongue in cheek' approach to T3 Talk to the hand was a decade old or more when it was used in T3...brutal...

  • July 27, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    HAHAHA! Oh Really, JazzTerminator?

    by LaserPants

    Dude, are you fucking retarded? I mean, don't bother answering, I'll let this quote from the movie answer it for me:<br><br> "Watching John with the machine, it was suddenly so clear. The terminator wouldn't stop, it would never leave him. It would never hurt him or shout at him or get drunk and hit him or say it was too busy to spend time with him. And it would die to protect him. Of all the would-be fathers that came over the years, this thing, this machine, was the only thing that measured up. In an insane world, it was the sanest choice."<br><br> PWNED! "All the would-be fathers." In other words, FATHER-FIGURE you fucking douchebag. Now take Cameron's cock out of your mouth, and put your foot back in it you fucking retard. Seriously, don't make it so fucking easy next time.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Terminator 3 Is So Bad..

    by Liquid Meddle

    That even the guys at RiffTrax took notice and made fun of it. Really, how does someone defend T3? The movie was a giant spoof on the Terminator series. Not to be taken seriously in the slightest.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by Liquid Meddle

    I'll take T2's "Hasta la vista, baby" to T3's "Talk to da hand" any day.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I find T3 serviceable but pretty forgettable as soon as you finish watching it, it doesn't have a great impact. The best thing is that the nuclear war at the end is almost a relief because at least you know they can't rehash the present-day chase thing and will finally move to the future war. The fuel cell in the chest is so contrived. Claire Dane always seems to cry in a self-righteous bratty way. I don't mind the scenes though between Arnie, Nick, and her when they're talking about the future. I like that the future soldiers are working in burger joints etc. There's nothing particularly new about the action. As for T2, I see the cheesiness seeing it again (esp. in the extended version) but it's more iconic than T3, esp. the characters of Sarah, little John and Arnie. It is a bit too PC. I like the idea of T4 just because of the greatness of T1, almost like it's really the sequel to that movie and you can sort of forget parts of T2 and T3 that are bad. I'm not sure about this John Connor dying (from T3) and they also mention something about Kate and John's kids being important. WTH are they going to do with that? Junior warriors or something?

  • July 27, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Funny, McG looks a bit like a young Cameron

    by SpencerTrilby

    only without the beard. And a 10th of the talent (well, this is debatable)

  • July 27, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    John Connor wakes up

    by Rommel Catuncan

    and sees Kate's turned into a ginger and he's all "What the hell timeline is this?!??"

  • July 27, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    Laserpants, look pal, I don't know if you're retarded, or perhaps just mentally ill, but your appearances in every terminator realted talback denouncing T2 are just getting tiresome. IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM is T3 even remotely in the same ballpark as T2 (or the original either, though that goes without saying). T3 was a film made to give arnold one last box office hit before he became governor and nothing more. It has no reason to exist - it adds nothing whatsoever to the story, it looks cartoonish, it cost about 180 million dollars but none of that money is up on the screen, and it revolves around the ridiculous gimmick of a female terminator that is faintly amusing for about 5 seconds. T2, on the other hand, has a reason to exist. It presents the flip side of T1-arnold is now a protector as opposed to a killer (and having arnold be a terminator and not actually kill anyone, without that being in any way dissatisfying,is a master stroke of an inversion); instead of the future being a closed loop, the plot revolves around the question of whether or not the future can be changed (which is thankfully left ambiguous at the film's end). What this means is that the film is a perfect thematic accompaniment to the first film; it is T1's opposite, and is completely complimentary to it. That's why its such a great sequel and not some money making rehash. Now hopefully T4 will be better than the third, but really, the story is done, and without Cameron its not terminator in my eyes. I'd go into more detailed stuff about why T2 is a classic, but quite frankly since you deal in ridiculous hyperbole, juvenile insults, and are very likely trying to get a rise out of people with your ill-considered comments, its probably not worth my while to bother.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Sci-fi is "over"?

    by DarthCorleone

    Make a war movie if you like, and perhaps I'll enjoy it. But just because your imagination can't exceed the current wave of technology and innovation, stay away from the silly claims, McG.

  • July 27, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    The Batman analogy is not valid.

    by DarthCorleone

    Obviously we have our varying opinions here about the quality of Terminator 2 and 3, but I think we'd almost agree that the level of resuscitation demanded by Batman And Robin and Batman Forever is far greater.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    It never fails

    by TVguy4566

    Every single Terminator thread has Laserpants with the same tired arguments why Terminator 2 sucks that get shot down every time. I still laugh at his Guns N Roses soundtrack argument. Shouldn't be a George Thorogood soundtrack? "Bad to the Bone" get more screen time than Guns' "You Should be Mine". Axel Rose should talk to his lawyers because Brad Fiedel (Cameron's long time composer) gets writing credits for the score. <br><br> I think to make one of your biggest complaints about a movie is that one song plays for literally a minute during the movie, you got a weak argument to begin with. If that was the case, virtually every action movie in the 80s were crap based soley on their soundtracks. Did people hate Top Gun because "Take my Breath Away" was on it? Beverly Hills Cop suck because "Neutron Dance" was in it? Heck, To Live and Die in LA is still one of my favorite movies and near of my top most underrated movies of all time and that movie was actually soundtracked by a bad 80s band in Wang Chung.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Damnit it's so hard for me to explain this..But, I'll try

    by T 1000 xp professional

    How about this. Listen to this Laser and tell me what you think? I reallly do believe you do not like T2 for the fact that it's not T1, the same reason someone would not like Aliens as opposed to Alien. I do see what you're saying but everything that you find unlikeable is part of what makes it so lovable to everybody else...Add that to the fact that T2 was the movie that created the mythos. T1 on it's own was a great story, but the addition of T2 is what created that amazing Sci Fi universe... And yeah baby, can't wait for T4! Would you like some Bale and a Nolan ? yes please. :)

  • July 27, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    well said Turd

    by T 1000 xp professional

    lol teehee

  • July 27, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    T1 is the best

    by llac12

    As great as T2 is FX/actionwise and whatever it is you think about T3...they make no sense, so it´s impossible for them to be better than T1.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    T2 gave us a glimpse of what T1 might have been...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...because originally, Arnold was supposed to play Reese, and Lance Henrikson was going to be the Terminator. Cameron liked the idea of the Terminator being someone who was skinny and could blend into the crowd and seem like anyone else without looking intimidating. He explored that, and more, with T2.

  • July 27, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Knowing that Nolan is on is good

    by Aeghast

    ..but McG is STILL on too, so.. AHhh I don't know! Anyway, "In essence… Please like it and don’t boo me." haha hilarious

  • July 27, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by misnomer

    yip- but I wont go into reasons because im so tired of explaining my minority view. Terminator Salvation has a better chance of being the best sequel to Terminator every made because it has a real reason to exist.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    But My Arguments Aren't Being Shot Down AT ALL

    by LaserPants

    You just don't agree. You just look over what I said and pretend that its not valid because you don't agree with it. THAT is the very height of subjectivity. Which is fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions, I'm just continually astonished just how upset people get about it! And the personal attacks! HILARIOUS! Its like I just strangled their cat or raped their mother or something. It amuses me! It amuses me just how much emotional energy is invested by some of you in what is, to me, an AWFUL movie. A movie that most of you like because a) you saw it when you were very young (nostalgia!), and b) you saw it before you saw T1. Not everybody here, but most of you. <br><br> To be honest, I couldn't care less either way, I have no emotional energy invested in this, and don't really care what you think of me or my opinion. It just amuses me how easy it is to make some of you guys upset. I'm making you dance. Dance, monkeys dance! Entertain me with your misplaced rage and obsession! Haha! <br><br>T 1000 xp professional just said it best, I think, when he said that I don't like the things that people like about T2. Thats it right there. I hated where it went; it took this awesome hard sci-fi idea and turned into Old Yeller mixed with The Courtship of Eddie's Father. If thats the kind of treacle you guys like, dear god! No wonder Titanic was one of highest grossing films of all time -- the vast majority of humanity, the lowest common denominator, are ridiculous saps.<br><br> For the record, I actually love both ALIEN and ALIENS, because they are both masterfully done films. I also love T1, but hated T2 because one was a masterfully done sci-fi flick on a shoestring budget and the other was a masturbatory juvenile clusterfuck done on a MASSIVE budget. T3 was also a big budget money grab, but it was much more entertaining, and funny, and campy, and exploitative, and featured a cool, dark ending. No ROBOT OLD YELLER bullshit. Again, my OPINION. <br><br> No, but please do attack me and call me names, it entertains me. Dance, monkeys, DANCE!!! Haha!

  • July 27, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Btw, If No Metal Can Come Through Time Travel

    by LaserPants

    How come the Terminators can? And if it has something to do with being wrapped in skin, okay, but then how come the T-1000 can come through? Isn't his entire body made of liquid metal? UH OH! Another GAPING hole!

  • July 27, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    It's pretty simple why T2 is superior

    by Volllllume3

    Edward Furlong >>> Nick "emo faggot" Stahl Linda Hamilton >>> Claire "I'm not Linda Hamilton" Danes Robert Patrick >>> Kristina "inflatable boobs TM" Loken JAMES FUCKING CAMERON >>> JONATHON "WHO THE FUCK?" MOSTOW

  • July 27, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Thats one of the main reasons why T2 & T3 dont make sense.

    by llac12

    Look at T1 again and listen to everything Reese says about the time machine...

  • July 27, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Dude, Furlong Is WAY More Emo-Fag Than Stahl

    by LaserPants

    Especially in T2! Cmon, man, Stahl was cool as a dead-beat homeless drug addict in T3. Furlong was just some whiny bitch teen ager who liked Guns n Posers.<br><br> Oh shit, and if you were more excited by Robert Patrick than Kristina Loken? YOU ARE GAY. 100% Homo Disco Rainbow Liberace Gay. G-A-Y. And that's okay. But you're gay.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Kyle Reese

    by Volllllume3

    Reese is a soldier, he doesn't know jack shit about the time machine. He even said it himself "I'm not a fucking techie!"

  • July 27, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Loken sucked, end of.

    by Volllllume3

    Excuse me if I don't get off on something as fucking retarded as inflatable boobies. The whole point of something as idiotic as TERMINATRIX LOL11!!1! makes me want to shoot myself. Also there's no way that Skynet would sent something that advanced back in time to pop some simple luitenants, she had a fucking plasma rifle for fucks sake.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    HAHA! YES! Thats EXACTLY What She Was Saying

    by LaserPants

    Oh my god, dude, are you in denial or retarded or what? THATS WHAT A FATHER DOES, dumb ass. Or what a father is supposed to do! She even said so in her fucking monologue! She even uses the actual word "father!" "All the would be fathers." Implying... no, its way more blunt that that... straight-up fucking saying, HE IS A FATHER FIGURE to John... the best one EVAR! Are you in denial or something or are you just dense? I mean really, now, c'mon!

  • July 27, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Aww, Poor JazzTerminator

    by LaserPants

    He finally just ran out of justifications. Saying "go fuck yourself" as a retort? You may as well have said, "you win LaserPants, I concede that you are my lord and master and that T2 sucks the ticks off a dead donkey's rotting balls."

  • July 27, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    If Robert Patrick Excites You More Than Kristina Loken

    by LaserPants

    You are GAY. 100% Rainbow Nipple Disco Gay. And that's okay... but you're gay.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    by TurdontheRun

    Pat youself on the back for once again exposing youself as the asinine, juvenile moron you are. I mean, how deluded can one person be? you think you're making people upset, and getting them to dance like monkeys? don't flatter yourself. nobody gives a shit, least of all me. you, in fact, are the one constantly expending vast amounts of time trying to wind people up,instead of engaging in rational, intelligent debate. why don't you do that? you know why - because you're immature and incapable of doing so. I take it you're an adult, so it really is a sad state of affairs that you write posts like a 12 year old. and that, my friend, is the uncomfortable truth you're going to have to live with. good day.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Mister C

    T2 was amazing and managed to once again pull a rabbit out of the hat so to speak and show us something we've never seen before, "the robot was fucking protecting them" that's a pretty fucking cool concept to begin with. and yes the terminator was a father figure to John....whats the problem with that? its actually pretty important and deep seeing as how he would one day be fighting a war againest his kind. whats with the T2 hate? and btw you seem alittle full of yourself from your posts? and your arguments are like a childs...."oh if you didn't like the girl terminator then your totally gay dude"

  • July 27, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    I'm a sucker for the fall of humanity

    by fireclown

    It's what I wanted from T3. I was promised crazy flying machines and chromed terminators with machine gun hands 20 years ago, and I wants it. Sounds not so bad from here. Human concentration camps, big ass robots, big dumb slug machine guns, those goofy flying machines. Show me how mankind falls, and make it a hard, HARD ultra violent R. In fact, throw a gauntlet into hollywoods eye and release it unrated, daring theatres to not carry it. An unrated T4 would pull in the geeks no matter what. Yeah, I mean YOU, laserpants.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    although I agree with 'Pants on the Fatherhood point.

    by fireclown

    But again, it's a context thing. The point there is twofold. That the men in Sarahs life were of questionable quality (as might be expected, given her selection criteria) AND that she was batshit crazy. That right there is why I love my deranged, hypermaternal Sarah Connor. And why I get a little vaclempt when we learn she died of fucking leukemia instead of how she wanted to and should have died: in a horrifying shootout defending John.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    agreed, Sarah deserved a kickass death

    by Mister C

    She did so much, she is one of those great female Heroes that in some small way is attractive and scary at the same time. She needed to go out in a blaze of glory, like batshit crazy people often do.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    T3 bored me because it was a worse T2

    by performingmonkey

    What we saw in T2 was pretty exciting in 1991. The T-1000 CG effects that had everyone's jaw dropping, the brilliant mental institute scenes with Linda Hamilton being on fire, Arnold still at his best, the chase scenes, being the rare thing of a sequel that truly enhances the original. Cameron socked it to us big time. Unfortunately it dates.

  • July 27, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    No Really,,,, he should drop the "McG" handle

    by drdoom_v

    And Bryce needs to go back to "daddy" and ask him to buy her more acting lessons. Oh dnd lets not use analogies pretty much everyone saw in Minority report. Nice.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I love when people say "At Least T3 was entertaining!"

    by Sidepocket

  • July 27, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    You Don't Give A Shit?

    by LaserPants

    Then why do you keep responding? Too easy!

  • July 27, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I love when people say "At Least T3 was entertaining!"

    by Sidepocket

    Yea so is jiggling car keys in front of your face. I think as adults we want a little more than that. Hence T2. Hence why The Dark Knight is kicking ass like T2 did back in the day.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Two more things.

    by Sidepocket

    1) I think we should throw a T2 Reunion party, just to see Laser Pants pants show up. That way we can tar & feather him for over reacting to a fucking movie. 2) You know what pisses me off about every Terminator thing after T2. Everyone forgets that the Terminators are infultrators! Yes when the time comes to Terminate they can kick major ass, but other wise nobody is supose to know that they are robots. So why do they do everything they can to make them noticleble as robots? Why is the higher grade T-X dumber than the T-1000, even though they said she was smarter? WTF?

  • July 27, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Oh. My. Fucking. God. Jazzy, Please.

    by LaserPants

    Wait a second. So it doesn't matter what the film's narrator thinks? Really? Are you serious? You're serious. Oh my god. You are seriously, SERIOUSLY in denial here. Or you're just really, REALLY dumb. I KNOW that the resistance sent him back to protect John Connor, but on that journey, as portrayed in the fucking film, as the narrator herself comically intones with over-the-top gravitas, he, the motherfucking Terminator, becomes a father figure to her son! Thats the symbol that Cameron, in all his ham-fisted maudlin overwroughtness was shooting for! I mean, holy fucking shit, man, one of the main characters, the narrator herself, comes right out and says that! LITERALLY says those words! And you don't see that. Really? Are you retarded? Like, if you are, I'm sorry, maybe you aren't capable of understanding Cameron's 10 year olds sense of symbology and metaphor in storytelling... where the characters literally take a 5 minute monologue to explain the metaphor to you? Hahaha! Oh man, you rule! I mean really, man, hahahaha! Oh mercy! Just don't bother responding. Just keep that wool pulled down over thine own eyes. Hahaha! Good night!

  • July 27, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm The One Who Is Overreacting

    by LaserPants

    I've practically been crucified for my sins against this film, and I'm the one overreacting. Riiight.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    The Difference Between TDK and T2

    by LaserPants

    Is that TDK is a brilliant, exciting, intelligent, thought provoking film and T2 is a raging retarded turd.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Ya'll Realize you're dancing to LaserPants tune, right?

    by Xiphos_2

    This is a very entertaining TB to read so thanks for that.<p>Personal opinion here, but T2, in my opinion, has not aged all that well and in the sprite of full disclosure, I agree to a point with some if not many of Mr. Pants observations.<p>Anyways, keep up the good work Mr. Pants, I'm laughing my ass off reading this TB.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Common gangsta rapper??

    by Lauryn2000

    Whoever wrote that Common was a "ghetto gangsta rapper"..puh-leaze...don't get all the rappers mixed the fuk up.Common is almost as "gangsta" as....Run-DMC...I could see if they added non acting DMX (who is unavailable jail) and 50 (arsonist??)than maybe. But Common no...he can't act either but hell I guess Ludacris is promoting "green peace" with Tommy Lee Jones.And Will Smith cost too freaking much....

  • July 27, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    sarah died of lung cancer

    by Prossor

    not leukimia.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    smoked too many cigarettes.

    by Prossor

  • July 27, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    T3 was a borefest

    by Lauryn2000

    Terminator 3 was one long ass borefest....nuff said! hehehe

  • July 27, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Heck, I love'em all. - T2 > T1 > T3

    by JDanielP

    And despite his handle of "McG", the man does have talent. This has loads of potential. There's some really talented people behind this and a large enough budget. And that is all I need to know. Count me in for opening weekend.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    just my $0.02

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    About the terminator as a father figure, I think Cameron says it literally on his commentary on the "Extreme edition" DVD; according to him, the Terminator, Sarah and John represent the "nuclear family" (father, mother, child) - just like he did in "Aliens".... Linda Hamilton's acting in T2 is horrible, terrible, in particular her hospital scenes, where she's talking to Dr. Silberman about the upcoming apocalypse. Ugh. <Shudder> Speaking of Dr. Silberman, there's an interesting fellow. In T1, he's a psychologist; in T2, he's a (rather successful) psychiatrist who directs an inpatient clinic! Meaning in between the two movie, he rushed through med school, did his residency, took his boards, became a psychiatrist, etc. in jsut a few years. Kudos to the man. Then, in T3, he's a counselor, meaning that in between T2 an T3, Dr. Silberman, M.D., Ph.D., *again* went back to grad school and got a master's in counseling. Odd career choice for such a successful psychiatrist, but oh well. _____ sorry for rambling. Liked all 3 Terminator movies, looking forward to T4. Carry on.

  • July 27, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Sidepocket- what do you think when people say T3 is better than

    by Cotton McKnight

    Because from a story standpoint, T3 IS better than T2. For the reasons I mentioned above. Lots of people have posted since I pointed out the flaw of T2 (it was an excuse to have arnie as a good guy and a special effects terminator), but nobody has disputed what I said. Instead, they argue with a guy named Laserpants. LOL!

  • July 27, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    "Talk to da hand."

    by Liquid Meddle

    Seriously folks.

  • July 27, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Why T3 is a waste of time

    by TurdontheRun

    Probably no one has disputed those points because they are not 'flaws'. to have a pedantic reprise of T1 with arnold again as a killer would be creative bankruptcy. what would it be like? arnold dispatching hordes of people even more violently and spectacularly like some jason vorhees type character ? because that's the redundant direction it would have gone. and for a 'special effects' terminator with little dialogue they did a good job of making the t-1000 a fairly rounded and memorable character. plus, as someone commented above, it allowed Cameron to explore the idea of a terminator as a stealthy infiltrator who looked like a normal person, like the mooted lance henriksen casting for the original. as I posted above, T2 is a better story than T3, because T3 adds nothing thematically to the two previous movies. a third movie should have gone full bore into the future war and the nature of time travel, since that was territory unexplored. unfortunately the producers were too greedy and play-it-safe that we got two terminators again coming back in time, and the gimmick of a female terminator (what's next - a child terminator?). as for mr. colostomy pants, the less said the better. you can't reason with a mental case, after all.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Then why did you anyone who thinks T1 is greater is stupid

    by Phategod1

    unless you dont know what > means.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    That LaserPants guy is STILL going on about T2??

    by slone13

    What a tool.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by slone13

    T3 was entertaining. Jiggling car keys in front of my face is not. Even remotely. Maybe we have drastically different ideas about what the definition of "entertaining" is. Or perhaps "jiggling car keys in front of my face" is a euphemism for something that I'm not aware of...

  • July 27, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by Rommel Catuncan

    to me is the guy on Punk'd saying, in front of Katie Holmes, "Your fucking pussy stinks! I like buttfucking! You don't like buttfucking! I like buttfucking!" Sorry to be so crass but that is what he said.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    T3 has a bad rap

    by nicegoogly

    Sure, it has some goofiness to it. So did T-2 (could furlong be any more fem?) Plus, John's age, he was supposed to be ten, he looked more like 13 or 14 in the second film. I am kind of shocked on this board with regards to the hate towards T-3, given the number of geeks present, myself included. It sets the stage for the fact the war still needs to happen. It changed the way it happened because of the events in T-2, but it had to happen to preserve the timeline, John existence. Otherwise, he should have disappeared with the terminator at the end of the second movie. Make no mistake, it got 4 stars and thumbs up from Ebert, but is was always criticized for its paradoxes. T-3 corrects that and compliments the story perfectly. T-1 is a sci-fi flick. T-2 is a mega summer blackbuster. T-3 went back to being a sci-fi flick. It had a provocative ending like Soylient Green, Planet of the Apes or Omega Man (Charleton Heston was the Will Smith of his time). I agree, the T-X is not so great (by 2003, throwing the word extreme into something was very fuckin' brilliant. It was more thoughtful than T-2. T-1 is till the best of the bunch. Orininality, score, lame eighties club scene, real confusion about who was good and who was bad (T-2 ruined a lot of their surprises before release with all of the making of's and trailers). Kyle Reese was not entirely convinced he could even beat the Terminator, that sense of peril never made it into the other movies.

  • July 27, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    When T1 came out

    by Rommel Catuncan

    word at my school was that the novelisation had a graphic sex scene (Sarah's roommate and her boyfriend) so all these boys at school were passing the book around and meeting up after school to go buy it.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Some good stuff . . . except . . .

    by kabong

    Anton Yelchin sits up and says, “Come with me if you want to live,” with a smile. Skynet: terminate that kid, please.

  • July 27, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    one other thing at the end of T2 that bugs me

    by the milf lover

    Arnold says to Sarah "I cannot self-terminate. You must lower me in the steel"... why does she have to lower him in to melt him? Cant he just stand there and let her push him off the ledge in the molten steel and just be done with it? oh right, they have to milk that scene for 5 minutes for 'emotional values'... "Now I know why you cry, but it is something I can never do" haha so stupid! <p> oh and Yackbacker, I agree with you about the time paradoxes, but if you wanna go there, better be ready to dissect the Back to the Future franchise too

  • July 27, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    T3 only looks good on paper.

    by Liquid Meddle

    So stop the sillyness. You can't all be LaserPants now. Let's all agree that T-Old Hundred and his high school musical entourage were not memorable at all and nobody will care to ever remember T3. That movie was a nuclear holocaust to my admitted Terminator fanboyism. It tried to be the Alien: Resurrection of the Terminator series, and still wasn't even as witty as that movie.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I dont know about Bryce...

    by the milf lover

    she's pretty but she doesnt really do it for me... must be the SpiderMan 3 stench...

  • July 27, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Schizophrenic Terminators > All

    by Liquid Meddle

    And they completely fucked up the "good/bad" angle with the T-850 glitching out near the end. Could you imagine what that would've been like had the T-X fucked with his programming earlier on in the movie? When that idea was originally brought to light (I believe during the making of the movie) all I could think of was a return to the roots of the "T1" Arnold. Fuck me for getting my hopes up.. They could've done so much with that.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Let's face it.

    by TVguy4566

    If people want to dissect T2 flaws in logic, you gotta do it for T1. Exactly how could John Conner be alive to send Kyle Reese back in time to have sex with his mother and create John? Without John Conner, Kyle Reece never goes back in time and meets Sarah Connor, but if Kyle Reece never meets Sarah Connor, John Connor is never born. How can that happen? That is as big of a rift in logic as a liquid metal Terminator going back in time or a Terminator being damaged enough that it cannot (or fergets how to) replicate voices. <br><br> T1 is still one of the best Sci-Fi movies ever, but there are plenty of logic and continuity problems. People need to stop nitpicking movies really.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Oh yes, Dr Silberman

    by veebeeyes

    I wonder if he survived Judgement Day. Think he'll make an appearance in T4?

  • July 27, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    you know what's really gay?

    by LabattsBleu

    fanboys talking up T3 because of Loken's 3d boobs...ITS A FRICKEN' MOVIE - maybe you should stop calling those who disliked T3 as being gay, and get out of your mom's basement and, like, meet REAL women?

  • July 27, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by veebeeyes

    I think the difference is that in T1, that "lack of logic" is intentional. When watching T1, you are SUPPOSED to realize that that doesn't make any sense. That's an intentional example of a time-travel-related paradox.That's a bit different than in the other movies, which actually fucked up the first movie's very strange cosmic rules of causality. But T1 is not a mistake. That's just an incarnation of a classic science-fiction idea which has been in existence WAY before T1 was ever even made.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Things I didn't like about T3.

    by veebeeyes

    Remember in T2 when John Connor asks the Terminator, "Well, why doesn't the T-1000 just turn into a bomb and blow me up?" To which we fast-forward to T3, and we find out that the T-800s really DO have giant bombs in them. Which brings up the question...why DOESN'T Skynet just blow up John and/or Sarah Connor? That giant fucking bomb could have been pretty handy in T1, when the terminator was severely crippled and ended up dying mere INCHES from Sarah Connor's face.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by veebeeyes

    The T-X is driving around with a list of targets to kill. Important military people who are doing a good job of fucking the machines up. The T-X drives up to Burger King, and ACTUALLY KILLED THE TARGET. But if the target is dead in the future, how the fuck did he end up on a list of "people to kill"?

  • July 28, 2008, midnight CST


    by TVguy4566

    I don't know if it is so much an intentional mistake or just something they expect the viewers to take on faith. Yes, it is similiar to other sci-fi paradoxes, but it does fly against logic more. I am not trashing T1 for doing it, but I think although Cameron was trying to go for the paradox of if John didn't send his father back that he would never be born, but he wanted viewers to ignore the paradox of some point in time in the time travel continuum John would have had been born without Kyle going back in time or there would have never been a John Connor to send Kyle back to create John Connor.

  • July 28, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    yes, the T3 bomb made no sense

    by Seth Brundle

    the justification could be that in T1 is a T-800 and in T3 is a T-850 so maybe one of the differences is the power supply, then again, that T-850 thing is never mentioned in the movie so you can't really consider it, even T3 arnie dropped his first battery, then when he pulled out the other and put it into TX mouth....ON WHICH FREAKIN POWER WAS HE RUNNING!!! HE HAD NO BATTERIES ON THAT SECOND!!! thats why T3 is just baaaaarely acceptable to me, i hated it at first but now i kinda tolerate it, its still the weakest of the 3

  • July 28, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Just forget about continuity in the Terminator world.


    Just like you can forget about squids and prepare yourself for blue fucking clouds.

  • July 28, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    T3 also had lots of minor annoyances.

    by veebeeyes

    Like the fact that the badass car chase scene (which, I admit, was badass), was completely dependent on a rather stupid premise. Even if the T-X could take control of just about any other computers in the vicinity, I'm pretty sure that most cars aren't rigged to be driven remotely. That scene was like watching a man with no legs run a marathon.

  • July 28, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    even more.....T3 had no sarah connor picture

    by Seth Brundle

    i remember being annoyed at that, the sarah picture is an essential element on the mythology....yet T3 completely ignored it, Hey McG if you dont show the sarah picture on Terminator Salvation fans will seriously rape you

  • July 28, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST


    by veebeeyes

    But there WASN'T ever a point in the time continuum in which John Connor was born without his birth having been precipitated by the arrival of a Terminator. There WASN'T ever a version of history in which John Connor became a great military leader WITHOUT having been previously trained to be a great military for the sole purpose of defeating Terminators that don't even exist yet. You call it a mistake, but that's one of the reasons why T1 is fucking cool. You can ask "what was the original timeline like that resulted in the future from which Kyle Reese and The Terminator came?" But there was no OTHER timeline. The past that you see in T1 is the past that is, was, and always will be. There was ALWAYS a Terminator in 1984. Why? Because that's how causality has to work. There HAS to be a Terminator in the past because the events of the future depend entirely on there being a Terminator in the past.

  • July 28, 2008, 2 a.m. CST

    Here is the problem with Lazer Pants.

    by Sidepocket

    I love the Matrix Sequels. I know a lot of people hate them, but I like them. I like all three movies. However, you do not see me go into EVERY fucking thread about the Matrix and trying to tell people WHO HATE IT that they are good movies? You know why? It would be fucking stupid. Hence Lazer pants. Oh and here is the thing about T3, like it or not, all it really was about was jiggling car keys. Its entertaining, so saying a movie was entertaining is something to be expected. Actual good cinema actualy goes beyond that. Not to mention the real downfall of the film is that it did the Batman & Robin thing. If you look at it, T2 was Batman Forever. Sure it was big and showy, but it did take itself seriously as a plot even when humor came about. What T3 did was become a parody of a parody. When that happens, you lose everything. Also, just liking T3 for its ENDING (not story, it had none really) is like just marrying a woman for her vagina. Never mind she smells of feet, looks like a truck hit her and had a personality of a bottle of Windex...

  • July 28, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    They should make Bale the T-2000...

    by spud mcspud

    Don't fuck with Mecha-Bale - he'll tear you limb from limb!<P> Hey, might help with his anger management issues, anyway. I knew all that far-too-serious acting wasn't just a front. He really IS an over-serious, boring bastard who takes everything FAR too seriously.<P> Did I use the word serious enough?

  • July 28, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    The kids table

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Who are those youngsters sitting at the kids' table? I love how they act like they know about "Terminator"

  • July 28, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Hey, for me T3>T2 too...

    by spud mcspud

    Let's do the list:<P> (1) No "Arnold goes sappy". Yeah, I know they enabled his learning matrix blah blah blah but that end scene was just too much. Come ON! When did the TERMINATOR movies suddenly have to cater to the girlies? 1991, THAT'S when.<P> (2) Pants has a point. For me, Loken is WAAAAY hotter than Robert Patrick. Yes, that is a consideration.<P> (3) The dark ending. We FINALLY got to see what Cameron cock-teased us with but never delivered in T2. At least he could have had the balls to give us Judgment Day in T2, but nooooooo.<P> (4) Edward "Skywhinger" Furlong at his whingiest as the squeaky future Saviour of Mankind, trying to be a tweeny badass but actually being the most annoying bitch EVER. Title has since passed to Shia LeBouef for practically anything he has ever done.<P> (5) Furlong's mate, who was also the best mate in BIG. If you were in BIG, you can never play a badass tween EVER.<P> (6) Massive plotholes in T2 that make even less sense than the Reese-is-Connor's-father paradox in T1. HOW did the T-1000 get back? It has no outer skin! WHY does the T-1000 bother torturing Sarah at the end - "Call to him" - when it could have done so itself? WHY do they assume blowing up Cyberdyne would change anything? They don't even know how many Terminators got sent back yet - or to where!<P> (7) Stahl>Furlong as an actor. And we also get CLaire Danes. And Loken.<P> (8) Set-pieces that are the equal of T2. That big-rig crane vs truck scene. The whole ending where the primitive T-1s etc get activated by Loken. Fucking mini HUNTER-KILLERS! Arnie crashing a helicopter into a base entrance! The cemetary shootout! (Also clever how Sarah isn't in the coffin but the guns are - exploited well for the TERMINATOR TV series). I could go on...<P> I'm not saying T2 wasn't a great big blast on the big screen - I watched it 4 times and absolutely loved it - but I did prefer T3, mainly for the plot (which made MUCH more sense) and that downbeat ending that T2 seemed to shy away from. And, like it or not, Loken is hot, and it affects my judgment. I did enjoy T3.<P> T4 looks shite though. Charlie Bartlett as Kyle Reese?!?!? And why isn't Bale playing a Terminator instead?!?!?

  • July 28, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Bale haters

    by Shadow Warrior

    shut the fuck up. have you even seen him in the machinist, equilibrium, the prestige, rescue dawn, or batman begins? he's a completely different person in almost every movie he's in unlike the dicaprios, clooneys, and cruises. Unfortunately in TDK he didn't have a whole lot of character development unlike in BB. Also, about the whole shouting thing, have you idiots ever thought about how just when his movie is breaking ALL box-office records, suddenly his family has a quarrel with him? hmmmm... wonder what that could be about...

  • July 28, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Don't hate on T3

    by Autodidact

    Although I agree that filming much of the movie in the noonday sun takes away from the dark Terminator feel, and I'm not crazy about the "Terminatrix", and the use of "Funky Man" on the soundtrack really irks me, the rest of Mostow's choices were fairly brilliant. Even "talk to the hand" grew on me after watching the film a few times. I've rewatched T3 more than any other movie that's come out since July 2003, and the ending still rocks my world every time.

  • July 28, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Consider my ticket bought..

    by wyvern

    if they keep the topless scene of Moon Bloodgood.

  • July 28, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I'm in the "I liked T3" club

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Was it ground-breaking? Great? No, but it was fun and gave me the unhappy ending I'd always hoped for out of the series. I missed Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn though

  • July 28, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    T2 = perfect action movie / T1 = also great

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Please, somebody kick Mc-fucking-G in his girlie nuts, so that he has to withdraw from the project, let Iron Jim take over and start from scratch so that we all get the R-Rated sci-fi war movie we all want to see instead of this train wreck.

  • July 28, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    T1/T2 are great T3 sucked balls

    by Second Try

    If you think otherwise: TALK TO THE HAND!

  • July 28, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Identities of the Resistance fighters..

    by Liquid Meddle

    Very gay idea and bad execution. I remind you, the "drive through" shooting wasn't the only scene of a future Resistance fighter being killed. The T-X also shows up at some dorky kid's house and guns him down while he parties with his girlfriend or something. Just stupid. The T-X was only believable as a screaming robot, too. Loken sucks. Fuck Bloodrayne.

  • July 28, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    And I wonder..

    by Liquid Meddle

    Is this supposed to be some kind of nerdy homage to T2 Arnold's preference of the minigun with these T-600's packing 'em? Huh? Huh? Huh?

  • July 28, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    One Thing I Hate About Both T2 and T3

    by Autodidact

    The T-1000 and the T-X both grimace, scream, and squeal like monsters during their death scenes. It's so dumb...

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    by orcus

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