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LOST To Solve The Four-Toed Statue Mystery in Season Five?? Plus New Marvin Candle Movie!!
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I am – Hercules!!
* Richard Alpert will soon be seen barefoot, and we’ll see how many toes he has on each foot, according to producers at Saturday’s “Lost” ComicCon panel.
* “Lost” may be done with the usual flashbacks and flashforwards.
* The anonymous raft riders Daniel escorted are probably dead, but Vincent the dog will survive till series’ end.
Read all of James Hibberd’s Hollywood Reporter story on the panel here.
Candle's back, back again:
Bill Keveney of USA Today describes the event's Marvin Candle film, in case Disney pulls down the YouTube version:
Candle, who identifies himself as Pierre Chang, continues the emerging theme of time travel, saying he's filming this 30 years in the past even though he knows George W. Bush is president. He tells the film's viewers that he and his colleagues were killed in a violent purge, that the Dharma Initiative needs to be reconstituted and that the past must be changed. We'll see how that connects with Season 5.
Find Keveney's piece here.
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LOST!!!!! LOST!!!!! LOST!!!!
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That'd be a shame since Davies brought a lot to the show. But, deaths in lost are meaningless anyway.
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Will he just warp to the island?
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Where they have the usual cut-to-flashback-or-flashforward noise, and then... it's the EXACT SAME SCENE!
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apparently not since it bombed/flopped.
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It's very strange to hear the people on his raft are dead. Either he has some special connection where he got taken with it, or the producers just meant that youll never be seeing those people he was with again on the show because they didn't matter. Puzzling stuff. I wonder why they would release that information. Probably because they know how much everyone loves Faraday and want people to tune in to make sure he's still alive. I don't Faraday being dead is an option for the show at all.
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..before flashing back again?
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I saw the X-Files movie. Save your time, seriously. Reviews don't infleunce me, X-Files or not, it is just a boring, dull film. There is nothing "X-Files" about it. It could have just been a random movie about two FBI agents investigating a murder. Besides Mulder and Scully it is devoid of anything XFiles.
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I want to see his life as a puppy damnit.And then I want to see his life when he's surrounded by dog biscuits and a Mrs Dog is waiting for him in a kennel.
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They'll just repeat season one except at the end of the final episode Jack suddenly wakes up in the shower with Patrick Duffy.
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That guy loves his flashbacks!
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in the article itself, it says that Daniel survived, but as for the rest of the raft... "there's a monsoon coming". whatever the hell that means. but Daniel's alive, so all's well =P
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Having five fingers but only four toes is strange. Hopefully this will all make some kinda sense when it's done. I'll be following Lost to the last episode and then the talk backs!!
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or would you just be back where you started again?
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The Guyliner wearing Batmanuel/4 toed statue connection has been a staple of Lost talkbacks for a long while now.
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I love Lost, the only thing that pisses me off is how long we have to wait till the next season starts. It's driving me insane. Heroes season 3 better get better than season 2. Its gonna keep me sane untill lost comes out. It best be good or im going to bite my fists off in frustration.
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The four-toed statue was such a maddeningly enigmatic puzzle, entrancing viewers and causing ... oh wait, no it's not.
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Seriously now, its a statue of the guy's foot? WTF man, was he bored and just made a statue of his foot?
Gah, weak... weak man. Next thing you know they will say he is a simpson and he really is yellow. I hate this show. -
I sense a Lost/Simpsons crossover
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does that mean more scenes of people walking and more scenes of people calling out for jack?
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We were promised one! But now she's dead and there saying there might not be any more flashbacks? I want to see her go all crazy and kill her crewmates!
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that means it'll rain for 45 minutes and then be hot as fuck and seem as if it never rained...sorry, these Arizona summers are killing me. What were we talking about?
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honestly, the people who created the set probably forgot to make a 5th toe. then a bunch of nerds who analyze every frame of an episode noticed it forcing the writers to somehow incorporate this "mystery" into their ever bloating story. the show is great but this has to be the least intriguing unanswered question. the idea for a dog flashback would be brilliant, but save it for the final episode. im sure the dog probably was cleaning himself when some of the characters were divulging secrets.
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i went at noon yesterday and there was almost no one there. the movie was... not good.
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Alpert is clearly a big cheese but I didn't think he was THAT big.
Gots to agree lex romero, after the only really low point of season 4 (her casual death) Rousseau deserves her flashback.
Messages from the future, changes to the past... As long as it doesn't end in a giant fucking reset button.
There has to be consequences to all this not just a "nullifying" of the Island with everyone on the plane not crashing and carrying on blissfully unaware etc. -
Haha, yeah right. And I thought Lost had some crazy ideas. I mean its like when you draw a spider or something and make it with six legs because you forget it has 8 legs because, you know, you're not a spider. We don't look at 5 toed feet everyday...oh wait, we do. Because we have them.
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Is why does Batmanuel wear guyliner? Is he a former Hair Band member from the 80's? Do him and Ben Linus go on Man Dates?
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Was it just me or did that sound like Daniel Faraday telling Candle that the video was "useless"?
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I don't know if I like that idea, but I could see each member of the O6 changing their fate -- by not boarding Oceanic 815.Jack doesn't argue at the flight check-in; Sun runs off before Jin finds her; Hurley shows up late; Kate manages to escape from the marshal; and Sayid -- err, I forgot, why was he on the plane?
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Anyone who is proclaiming the X-Files movie to be 'bad' either isn't a true X-Files fan, or is just too hung up about not getting an alien abduction/black oil/heavy mythology movie. Don't listen to the bad hype. Its actualy a tightly plotted character driven gem. And on that note, I would like to hear what Herc or Harry or Moriarty have to say about it.
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It was definitely him talking.
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Other than the trailers for, the leaked decoy pic, and hearing about the film's midcredit final shot, I stayed away from spoilers on this one. I didn't want anything ruining this for me. X-files was my favorite show growing up (I only missed two episodes), and honestly I'd consider it the best show of the 90's, even with it's heavy handed mythology that ended up being so convoluted it ended up spiraling the show into ridiculousness. The mythology seemed like the main draw during it's initial run (even though I fucking loved the comedic episodes), but once it was all over, and you begin to reminisce, you realize that the standalone episodes are where the show really excelled. Now, when I heard they weren't focusing on the mythology for I Want To Believe, I was one of the few fans that actually thought that this was a good move. The Alien conspiracy had been wrapped up, drug out, and rehashed by countless other shows since Files left the air, and revisiting it, when most of the players had been killed off would be a bit lame. We were led to believe this would be a good old Mulder and Scully monster flick with that pic of a werewolf-like monster Chris Carter leaked on the net earlier this year. But that's not what we got. This film isn't for the fans. This film wasn't made to bring in a new audience to the franchise. After checking out the midnight premiere last night, I gotta say, this thing seems like it was made strictly for Gillian Anderson. Which in some ways, was to be expected given the fact that 1998's Fight The Future mostly focused on David Duchovny's Fox Mulder. But here, years after the series has ended, were given a film where Dana Scully. The Dana Scully that was once a hardnosed skeptic, the Dana Scully who over the course of eight and a half seasons of encountering every freak, monster, and alien in the book (even a few demons), the Dana Scully who, along with Fox had a telekinetic baby (a baby who gets no more than a small mention in the film), is back to struggling with her faith and beliefs. She's back to being the skeptic to Mulder's want to believe. Retconning her mindset and having her act like that, is a slap in the face to everyone that watched the show and stuck with it for better or worse. With as much as she's seen, with as much as she's personally experienced, and the film basically ignoring it all and treating it simply as time spent with the FBI, is ridiculous. There's a thing called character development. This was character retardation. If you see a candle, you feel the heat it gives off, you see the heat from the flame melting the wax, you hold a piece of paper over it and watch it blacken, you even go so far as to stick your damn finger in and you suffer a burn, after all of that, does it make sense to question fire afterwards? Hell no. Scully playing the skeptic and having her and Mulder go on and on about the difference in their willingness to accept the things they encounter at face value was focused on more than enough in the series, and waiting this long for the gang to get back together only to retread material that didn't need to be, and making that the focus of the film, doesn't make much sense. Now I can understand her wanting to pursue a normal life, but how the show ended, it left with so many possibilities of where you could take the couple, instead we have the two hurled back in time character-wise, their "criminal records" wiped clean, and they help out with a case in which they really have nothing to offer other than a lame as fucking hell connection that blows the case wide open towards the end of the movie. Instead of pushing the franchise forward, instead of giving us an enjoyable last hurrah akin to Shatner and Nimoy's final Star Trek outing in The Undiscovered Country, series creator Chris Carter gives us a u-turned Scully character study that is used as a platform for a certain hot button issue. (You thought the big brother bit in The Dark Knight was bad? Wait 'til you see this.) One that probably would've already been explored a few years ago if the show was still running. One that makes for a premise that could have been interesting as hell, especially if they would've focused more on the plot and upped the rating to an R. I don't know how many youngin's they expected to pull in to this one, but dammit in a story that calls for the gore factor to be raised like no other installment in X-files history, we're left with shots that are way tamer than the images you see regularly on it's spiritual successor Supernatural. And that is aired without warnings on network tv mind you. (btw Supernatural's Nick Aycox (Meg) plays victim #2) I'm willing to bet they'll be an unrated gorified dvd though. Several key moments and deaths seemed to have been edited, especially the anticlimatic finale. The film is so uneven, too much dialogue and not enough creepy moments. But even with possible added gore, ya can't get around flatout dumb moments that this thing throws at us. I don't think I've ever thrown my arms up in disbelief before while watching a film, but here, in one particular scene, I did. The good doctor is trying to find info in regards to her treatment of a kid she's caring for. Now given it's Dana Scully, she probably would've already been fairly knowledgeable regarding the information she was seeking, yet, she still does a google search, and there's this extremely heavyhanded montage of those three words she typed in and ends with her writing it out on a folder and underlining it, which after the montage seems almost comical. And given the type of hospital she now resides at, that's not something you wanna have written on a folder you're carrying around. It's the type of research scene that would be parodied on South Park and has been countless times in the past. Then there are moments that are so coincidental, you'd believe that there's more than one psychic running around in the film. Like for instance Mulder walking into a farm supply store questioning the shopkeeper, and one of the suspects just happens to pull up while he's there. Sure, things like that happened in Fight The Future (the train for example), but in relation to what goes down minutes beforehand and the vicinity and timeframe of where those involved are traveling to and from, it's more than a bit hard to swallow. What's a bit easier to swallow though, now that I've seen the film, is Xzibit's performance as Agent Dogget's filler. He sucks at his delivery in his final scene, but for the most part he's nowhere near as bad as I feared he'd be. (He even gives us his signature wide legged stance while awaiting M&S's chopper landing.) Maybe because he, along with Agent Reyes' filler Amanda Peet have limited screentime. (And the rumors of those two getting a series, were just that.) Peet offers nothing to the film other than those beautiful twinkling eyes of hers. It's obvious this was rushed. Not only with the limited time frame Anderson reportedly held them to, to get this out after years of legal disputes involving Carter and Fox that delayed the project. But this was reportedly written quickly to make the WGA strike deadline last year. And it's surprising it wasn't given more of a push in terms of scale given this is one of the few high profile films Fox had on it's plate for summer 2008. All of those factors along the neutering of the gore and lack of focus on the bad guys, makes for a disappointing final chapter to The X-Files saga. And yes, this is the end. If you sit through the credits and see that final shot, it's pretty obvious, it's over. (Despite Carter's hint at the 2012 alien invasion) Not to mention this will probably pull in less than what I initially thought, given the negative reviews that are circulating throughout the outlets of those that would have given this a somewhat healthy opening weekend. My $50 million prediction is $35 (if even that). There's no retcon of the idiotic move of killing off The Lone Gunmen like many pleaded. There's no rumored cameo from Millennium's Frank Black. Only one familiar face shows up and is barely used (which is a shame). There's not all that many nods to the fans or injokes other than a few quirks of Mulder from his home office. Really, this movie fails at a tv to bigscreen jump. People are saying this plays like an episode of the series rather than a expansion. Which is partly true, but this doesn't stack up against any of the Mulder/Scully episodes of the show at all. It's missing that spark between the two, and is far too lost in it's melodrama for it's own good. The only thing I can say that is pretty bad ass coming out of this trainwreck is Mark Snow's score. Which at times, is unbelievably reminiscent of Silent Hill. Other than that, I'd suggest skipping this for now, it ain't good.
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...coupled with his anti-aging thing really strengthens the theory that he was captain of the Black Rock. I'd like to see more of that story as well.
And the Dharma video was balin'. And that definitely was Faraday. -
I'm hearing it brought in something in the low twenties this weekend. The budget was thirty. With overseas returns and dvd sales, it'll do fine.
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Good to see that I'm not crazy and that other folks heard him too.
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It's about time they tackled the toe issue. It's been at the top of my list of unanswered mysteries since that damn statue was shown in the season two finale.
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...long time no see.
Anyway, I appreciate your thoughtful deconstruction of the movie that logically supports your opinion, but I still think most of the things you're complaining about are the same kinds of things we happily ignored on the original series. Scully's stubborn skepticism; weird coincidences necessary to move the plot forward; one-dimensional supporting characters.
And other things, I'm glad were handled the way they were. You can't get too bogged down in things like Scully's telepathic baby without it being a distraction from a plot that is tonally much different. Most of the suggested cameos would have been shoe-horned in, and I like the fact that Skinner only makes a brief appearance. When the audience saw him at my showing, they cheered. The plot didn't really call for him until Scully had to call in a favor.
I guess in the end, you were just very unforgiving of a lot of little things (that you'd call big things) that I found it easy to overlook in order to enjoy a movie that brought back the chemistry between two great characters via a moderately creepy X-Files type mystery.
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Jul 26, 2008 8:52:51 PM CDT
Also, I agree with lex romero, we need a Rousseau flashback.
by shermdawg
Ya can't build up a character like that for four seasons and just kill her off with no payoff. If there is none, it'll be a Almeida-sized mistake. (And even 24 had sense enough to correct that...supposedly.)
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Those changes might have been needed for this particular story...but this story wasn't needed.
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on the subject X files....To The Powers That Be -please sir, may I have another?!?!?!?!?
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pierre cheng: "this information comes from a soruce that ahs proven himself to be credible"
faraday: "none of that matters. it doesnt matter. just get to it"
credible because faraday comes from the future? Darlton was also asked a question about how Faraday knew about the secondary protocol, Lindelof answered that Faraday's notebook contains everything that he has ever done and will ever do, and it will become important in season 5. Implying that Faraday has traveled before, but because we are in a Minkowski,4-dimensional space where time is not constant, Faraday is not aware of this. (i.e. "if anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is your constant).
The only thing that puzzles me is why Faraday would try to change things in the first place, since he has said himself that "you can't change the future". -
...i'll agree with you there. When it was announced, I thought it was a wierd thing to be coming out. The fact that it wasn't marketed as any kind of big event was also a little perplexing. But to me, it was kind of like digging in my longboxes and finding an old X-Men Annual i didn't realize I'd never read. The story was pretty uncessecary, but it was fun to delve into that world again with some new material.
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That would explain everything!!!
Oh, and also: "Lemon Legs". -
Alpert has a 4 toed foot and traveled far enough back in time so that the original residents looked upon him as a god. They made a statue of of him.
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Yo. give credit where credit is due Hercules... the video is from TapDawg at DocArzt.com!!! And the comment about the redshirts was kinda a joke....
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there is a really cool chat room to chat about LOST. If you know what IRC is, this is the server
irc.chat-solutions.org 6667
Room23 is the name of the room
to join the room, once you've connected to the chat server type /join Room23
you can also access Room23 through the AICN chat feature... once the java applet has loaded just type /join Room23
type /nick [typenickhere] to change your chat nickname....
Hope to chat with you in Room23 SOOOOOOOOOOON -
and will be in a convenient position to pick up JIN, who you know managed to get off that ship somehow.
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“Lost” may be done with the usual flashbacks and flashforwards."....
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i hope this isn't all a doggy dream.
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Bob Stencil: between me and you, how does the show end? Cuse: it ends well we hope. we cant tell you that! Bob Stencil: [referring to the box of goodies] hey do you have a jin prize in there. i love jin. Lindelof: the alcohol or the character? Stencil: THERE'S A CHARACTER?
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[after being 'slapped in the face' for 'Ji Yeon' episode] Lindelof: a gift for you...for slapping us around...a dvd of Heroes. Thank you. It's a much better show than ours. Enjoy.
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5) Keamy 4) Russeau 3)Vincent the Dog 2) Christian Shepard 1) Smokey the monster
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and a rubdown?
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thanks to maybelene all day mascara!
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Jul 27, 2008 1:13:28 AM CDT
Fun fact: this video is a bootleg of a "bootleg" of a bad qualit
by tallboy66
And it's all surprisingly watchable and very engrosing. We're through the looking glass here, people. (And, yeah, Witmore should be on that "needed flashback" list too. Maybe if it was a top 6 list. Hell, I might even bump Russeau. Oh, and "Dr. Marvin Candle" deserves his own flashback too. And, fuck it, Mikal. How about a Mikal / Keamy double-flashback where all they do is just kill the fuck out of unarmed civies? That sounds like fun!)
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remember the beginning of season 2?
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is of the cloverfield monsters mother
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And the thing I hate most about is is the fact that it comes in for a startlingly free ride from fandom. Maybe all the haters have given up and left it to the fans who'll just watch any old poop as long as Jack, Kate & Sawyer in it.
For instance I know of no other series that could have got away with Jacks lame excuse , taken up by everybody else within seconds, for not divulging the island to the world when they got off.
For instance, we were supposed to buy that Jack and the rest of the O6 were then going to live their lives back home happily aware they'd left a load of people stranded back on the island.
For instance, after escaping and , after seeing Ben's cheating, conninving ways for two years, Jack is now part of an elaborate plan to con everyone to go back to the island ?
And where are the kidnapped children ????
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it was more of a slow progression in Jack's arch in the hero's journey, he is slowly starting to believe in the supernatural, or, as Joseph Campbell would call it, acquiring his boon. But as we know, stubborn Jack still won't let go of his reason, so he goes along with the story that they need to protect the people on the island. Jack was turned when talking to Locke in front of the Orchid. While Locke did say that he has to lie to protect everyone, the underlying implication was that he must protect the island, as opposed to people on it. Jack's realization of this is the mark of his turn from a 'Jeremy Bentham' to a 'John Locke', as we see him fully transform when he finally agrees to deal with the Devil (Ben Linus). On the contrary, it is interesting to note that Locke's transition to Bentham is the opposite from Jack's. Instead of the one pragmatic, fighter of natural rights we had in season 1, we now have a man that holds a utilitarinism foreground, believing that the ends justify the means. Or, in your simple, layman's view, "what a load of toss".
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And the kidnapped children are with the others, as evident by zack and emma.
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So Jack is protecting the Island at the expense of the other oceanic passengers and the kidnapped children. And he is doing this because ?
Oh wait, I know, thats a secret that we'll get an answer to later.
And the rest of the O6 are going along with Jack because ?
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then Richard may end up being Hermes or Apollo himself.
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Jul 27, 2008 7:58:29 AM CDT
Yeah, the 4-toe-foot was the most random mystery in Lost.
by derlanghaarige
They were sailing around the island, one of them sees the feet of the statue and Sayid asks why there are only four toes. I mean come on! It's just what's left of a statue! You have bigger problems than the artistic integritiy of an unknown sculptor!
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and talk to Goth Claire and tell her (a) don't ever change that look and (b) do lots of graphic internet porn.
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I know the fact that it was Farraday's voice has been mentioned here but I think I saw something else. May have been mentioned too, but I'm too lazy to read this whole thing. So, did anyone else see the red hair sneak into frame on the left side at like 1:50. Charlotte is definitely there too. And that looks kind of like a dharma house. So I'm guessing that baby from the beginning is Aaron. I'm betting Dr. Marvin Candle will be making an appearance in season 5 to record this very video.
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Atlantis. That weird sideways steering wheel that moves the island and the four toe statue make me think so.
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We've just seen that people who come looking for the island intend to kill everyone on it. Jack knows those people are out there. That was such a huge plot from last season. How does anyone miss that?
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I think the implication is that the guys in the raft with him are dead EVENTUALLY... not already. That's why it's tied to the news about Vincent surviving to the end. I think the idea is they're telling us they're going to prune away all of the extraneous survivors by the time it's all over.
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So bearing in mind that people are still looking for the island what makes the inhabitants safe by keeping quiet about it (and effectively sitting around doing nothing about it).
What also protects the Oceanic passengers still on the island from the violent attacks of the "others".
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http://lostroom23.blogspot.com
The site is run by AICN TBers. C'mon over to you r home folks - the one and only season ending thread...we are trying to get it back in the top 10
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It's got to me now that it "moved' or translocated or whatever voodoo magic it did. Everyone brought to it are descendants of the culture that was on board eons ago and are being called back to return to the home world. This theory would explain much about its healing electromagnetic super energy, the smoke critter (left over security system) and the fact that it cannot be found. The earth on top developed island-like characteristics over tens of thousands of years. This thing may have even been part of a seeding program to drop "humans" into the eco system to kick start the planet and now they will want some samples back at some point to study and/or re-seed other planets. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. See ya after 2010.
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I'm guessing that when we start, the O6 will be leaving back for the island, and the season will continue with everyone on the island, the flashbacks showing both what happened on the island after the O6 left, and how the O6 got rounded up to return.
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Jul 27, 2008 12:20:02 PM CDT
"you have four flashbacks, 2 flash forwards, and a..flashSIDEWAY
by arcadiands
and then Chevy Chase threw the manuscript in the fireplace.
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Does "done" with the flashbacks and flashforwards mean "The show is FINISHED with using those techniques, and will not use them anymore" or "The show will be EXECUTED/PERFORMED by using those techniques, as we are used to seeing?"
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"I'm hearing it brought in something in the low twenties this weekend"
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YIKES! i keep hearing from diehard X-F fans that the movie will EVENTUALLY make back its 30mill budget back. which i suppose is the ONLY good news about this whole flop.
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I like it.....maybe that can have will robinson guest star....
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I used to think that but if you look closely, his lower eyelashes are just really thick so as to give the impression of eyeliner. Regardless, I think it's great that he's getting some good roles, especially for a latino guy which is something that was taboo in hollywood unless you were playing a gangster.
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umm... All Actors wear make up... its a FACT..... and I guarntee you a lot if not most of them wear eyeliner too.
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So basically you subscribe to the DARK CITY theory? Stranger things have happened - and that would be a halfway decent ending, I think...
At this point, nothing would surprise me. I'm torn between thinking it's a work of genius, dying ot know what's happening and just wishing please god get it fucking finished already!
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I already answered your question. Read it again (has to do with dueling ideologies- both inherent within Locke and Jack). That is, as I should make clear, is the more epistemological answer. If you want to get to the brass-tacks, CSI explanation, it is simple: Keamy and Widmore will be back. As Ben explained, 5000 people went out to Florida to see a piece of mold that looked like the Virgin Mary, how many people do you think will come out to see John Locke? It's extremely simple. They are trying to protect the island from exploitation, and Jack does not want to admit that he is doing that- he is using the rouse of his "friends" to rationalize protecting a metaphysical idea (this has been a prevalent theme since the show's conception). Another of the show's themes is the whole idea of Plato's philosopher kings (i.e. Jack). The whole show's premise is dividied by two struggling ideologies (science v. faith), and this was blatantly clear in the season premier of season 4. Those who follow Jack will follow him to the very end. In its most postmodern move to date, Jack (in the finale) is seen as weak, frail and indecisive, and EVERYONE (with maybe the exception of Kate) has intentions of going back to the island. The characters and the narrative on the show have already addressed one of oyur criticisms, which is why would the 06 do that? They're slowly repenting, and they all want to return. And for the Others, I think the rest of the castaways will feel safe after 1. Blowing up 10 of their people. 2. Capturing their leader. 3. And after making a deal with Alpert to free Ben, I think there is a unwritten pact between the camp now (i.e. a more hostile threat has brought them togehter). Anymore clarification of this 'convoluted' plot?
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and their connection to it, the oceanic six might still be in danger. Certainly just the idea of Aaron would make him a target. A baby born on the island would not be left alone by the crazy cult of people obsessed with the island. I tend to think Jack could reason that he is protecting people on and off the island. Besides that, the story is fantastical and implicates most of the survivors in multiple murders if they could get anyone to beleive them. They could all wind up in jail or in a nuthouse like Hurley.
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Thanks for your response, at least I now get that this show is for philosophy majors and not dimwits like me. Good luck with the rest of it.
Makes you wonder though, since I am not by any means the thickest person in my street, how the heck they are targetting such intellectual concepts at a main stream audience. And people say TV nowadays is dumbing down !!!
I can't say I can understand half of what you have conceptionalised here but I have to say its scary how little common sense and philosophy have in common isn't it ? Still as long as clever folk like you know what's going on I can concentrate on the simpler things in life. Thanks again. -
I didn't say they don't wear makeup. I was saying he doesn't wear eyeliner because it looks like he does on account of his thick eyelashes. Who knows?
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Yes, I have no proof, and couldn't possibly help you find that island. I know you found my plane and all the passengers dead, but they actually didn't die. That was a fake plale crash to make it LOOK like we were dead...yes, I did say magic. What is so strange about that? There was this guy who couldn't walk and then when he got to the island he COULD walk again. No, he decided to stay there because he loves it there,, so obviously I have no proof about him either. Yes there is a monster on the island, it is made out of smoke and chases people. It killed the pilot. Then for a while we found this hatch in the ground and we had to push a bunch of buttons or the world would get blown up. Then we stopped pushing the button and the sky turned colors. Did the sky turn colors out here? No? Okay, well it must have only happened on the magical island. Oh, there is also another island across from our island. You probably won't be able to find that one either, even though the whole world has been mapped. What do you mean you think I'm crazy??? I haven't even gotten to the part where they kept us in polar bear cages and blackmailed me to perform spine surgery!
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You're right, when you put it like that it all does sound like far-fetched ridiculous nonsense doesn't it ?
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Never quote Fox News on the internet. :(
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Latinos only get roles as gangsters?
what century are you posting from? Is Marvin Candle with you? -
The future is now, bitches! We've hit the point where the past meets the future, and now we will just cut back and forth between the island and the oceanic 6. Flashbacks may still be used to give us some relevant information, though. I'd imagine we'll see them again in Season 6.
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Plus, in case you missed it there, kiddo, while your eyes were tearing up in anger over how the writers of Lost can't do anything as brilliantly as you would...THE ISLAND FUCKING DISAPPEARED!!!!!!!! Kinda difficult sending a rescue team to an island that isn't there.
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We already have no idea when events are taking place. how soon does sun strike up her deal with Widmore, when did Sayid rescue Hurley, etc.
that said, it would be cool id moving the island exposed everyone to electromagnetism and they are bouncing through time like Desmond. Such a thing would explain how Pierre knows about the DHARMA Initiative's purge thirty years into the future. -
That they confirmed we'll be seeing more of Danielle next year. Thank god cuz that bitch needs a flashback. (It would be ok to see her in a vision, too, but we need closure!)
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What the initiative was doing (i.e. valenzetti equation) and the numbers broadcast, etc. I know experience touched on this but I think it's important that the show answers the questions itself, too.
Pierre's plea on that video suggests that Dharma was indeed trying to save the world from it's imminent demise. What else could be so important? -
Solve it at your own risk!
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I wouldn't be surprised if we see that next season.
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Jul 28, 2008 5:14:33 AM CDT
2legged. again. maybe for the last time. i hope.
by billypilgrimisunstuck
There's nothing more pompous than calling someone pompous. I'm not a philosophy major, i was actually a double major and bio and film (weird, i know. i get shit all the time). So I am, by no means, an expert on simple philosophical concepts, and to be honest, most of it comes from outside reading inspired by the show itself. Even so, these were concepts we learned in high school (i.e. natural rights, social contract, utilitariniasm). If they're naming their characters after these philosophers, theyre doing it for a reason; etymologies in this show go a long way. Moreover, I'm not an english major, but you just turned our discussion into an ad hominem attack. It's the first sign of failure when you start attacking your opponent's methods instead of focusing on the subject at hand. What you are asking is for an explanation of what you think are irrational decisions. Instead of taking into account the proposed explanation, you simply disregard it, because, quite frankly, you have already made up your mind on this matter. Despite the things I say (and others on this board ostensibly agree), you will never change your mind, which is a shame.
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My home and birthplace.
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People kept saying that Darlton said there wouldn't be any of that. But the way the show was headed with Ben and the frozen donkey wheel it seemed like it had to be that way. So I'll reiterate my guess. They're going to go back and fix it so that Flight 815 does not crash. That will be the end of LOST and all our friendly losties who died will be restored and they'll all just land in LA never having met each other. *tear*
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just got a DUI!!! Bwa-HA HA HA HA
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Jul 28, 2008 11:13:13 AM CDT
The show has taken the stance that you can't change the past
by novaman5000
Was that woman lying? Everything we've seen so far suggests she wasn't...
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The simpsons are the gods of the Lost island! I knew it!
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You're right about the first signs of failure and so I would point you to the last sentence of your very first response to me
Anyway let's leave it there should we. We both have different stand points on the show and neither of us will change each others views because we are a million miles away from each other.
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Didn't say I could do better, but then its not my job to do better its the writers.
Ah yes the Island has disappeared, I did miss that bit. Jack must have as well because he thinks they have to keep quiet in case somebody goes looking for it. Wonder how he expects that anybody else is going to find your magic island. -
I find that the sentence you refer to is in more of a sardonic tone to point out the obvious irony in your statements. My whole argument was constructed to address your questions, rather than attacking you and calling you a name, much like what most people do on this board.
But yes, i agree though, agree to disagree.
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...he would be the SECOND biggest moron alive.2leggedfreak has Number One locked for life.
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...how in the world do some people have time to watch shows they HATE?? Boggles the mind. Ahhhh the sad little life of a troll.
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read much Vonnegut then? (that's a rhetorical question btw) - I wonder if my 12 Monkeys theory from season 3 might actually come true??
You can't CHANGE the past (or the future) but you can go back and take another look - see if you missed anything useful (as Bruce Willis explains in the cinema) - like when you rewatch a film (or episode of Lost!) - nothing has changed except YOU...
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with them resetting time and not having the plane crash. Personally, Im still stumped by the fact that an airplane broke in half mid-flight, and more than ONE person managed to somehow survive it. From all accounts, almost everyone survived. Think about it: jumbojet with fuel enough to cross the ocean breaks in half, and then just sort of drifts down to earth like an autumn leaf, gently depositing its passengers on Fantasy Island. There's something more we dont know yet. For one, I dont think there was a plane crash at all. I think that the 'survivors' are actually out-of-time Dharma personnel who were shipped to the future to escape The Purge, but in order to get them back on the Island, they needed to have them all book the same flight, then pretend that flight vanished. Truth is, there was no flight. They go from the airport to a transport, get dropped off, get a valium and a "when i count to three you will remember nothing" session with Dr Sidney from M*A*S*H, and voila - the series premier starts NOW...
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the chicken on the bus was a baby, and it makes Doctor Jack go nuts. And Locke goes deaf. Christian and Locke spell out "goodbye" in coconuts as Lapidus choppers the last of the castaways to safety.
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I'm confused as to why Jack would be a moron for not keeping quiet about the island ?
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Well my problem is that there is just one option being considered here. There was Jack on the Raft saying that the people who came looking for the Island would kill everybody on it. The crashed plane is indicative of their power so they need to keep quiet to protect everyone. Hopefully my dim brain has put that argument correctly.
Now in a normal environment perhaps the other raftees may ask other questions like:
How do we know if we keep quiet that these big bads won't find the island anyway and and kill everybody ? They've found it once after all.
As a group then are we happy to say that we are leaving the rest of the castaways to rot on this island because this is the safest option for them.
Won't the people who crashed the fake plane feel that they are in a bit of an embarrassing position when we turn up alive and want to do something about it anyway ?
Yes but how would we ever convince anybody that this is true.
Well here's Desmond he might help. Here's Penny she might also lend some weight to the story. Here's copter pilot guy he could help.Being able to talk intimately about passengers on the plane journey that you ostensibly were only on for a few hours might help. Getting a blood test to show that baby Aaron is Claires and therefore was born after she got on the plane might. Doesn't Jack have a surgery scar that might take some explaining as well? Might mentioning the Dharma initiative pique somebodies interest.
Of course, like the simple expedient of asking Juliet what the hell was going on, none of these relatively straightforward questions are asked because they don't help move the plot in "wow wouldn't it be cool if" mode that the writers are locked in.
2LeggedFruitcake out.
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