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Quint watches the new WATCHMEN footage at Comic-Con!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here fresh off of the WATCHMEN panel.
My feet hurt.
The press were corralled into the a little pen next to the stage, which sucked… the audio up there was distant and muted and we were standing in front of a small movie theater-sized screen… maybe 5 feet.
But I’m sure a whole lot of people got turned away, so my bitching will be on the light side. The only thing I’m really pissed about is the security guard that decided to come into the pit and talk over the fucking footage, trying to move us CLOSER to the screen. Devin from CHUD just about got into a fist-fight with that dude… That was pretty awesome.
Thankfully they played the footage a second time at the end of the panel, this time without the jackass security guy.
The panel had Malin Ackerman, Billy Crudup, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Carla Gugino, Jackie Earle Haley, Patrick Wilson, Matthew Goode, Zack Snyder and original Watchmen artist Dave Gibbons.
The footage shown:
No dialogue, but damn does it look impressive. We got the non-PG stuff… a bigger explosion that makes Doc Manhattan into big blue… which is awesome. It’s at once gory and not. It’s graphic, but not stomach-turning. You see the skin blown off, then the ribcage shows, then the organs go, leaving a screaming skeleton with one eyeball left (just as I remember it from the comic) before that is gone, too.
We get Rorschach looking around the Comedian’s apartment, glimpses of his paraphernalia, newspaper clippings, photos… damn near every little detail you could want.
And Rorschach’s mask is awesome. Everything you could have wanted.
Big spoiler moment:
We see a medium shot of Nite Owl leaning in to kiss Silk Spectre as a nuclear warhead falls to the earth. It pushes in closer and closer as their lips almost touch. The instant they kiss the warhead falls, which we see between them. Then it cuts out to them kissing as a mushroom cloud rises in the distance, the concussion wave rushing towards the two.
Damn nice.
We also see the drop of blood fall on the Comedian’s smiley face and the Comedian pushed through the window, which was glimpsed in the trailer, but we see him fall this time. We don’t see the impact, instead we follow his smiley face button, shifting focus from him falling in slow motion, arms flailing, to the button falling in slow motion.
Speaking of the Comedian, we also see a couple of Comedian flashbacks, including the moment the photo is taken and he and Carla Gugino, playing the original Silk Spectre, share a moment that seems sweet on the surface, but not if you know what’s about to come up. Then the Comedian’s grin is fuckin’ creepy.
We also get to see him slashed in Vietnam.
The most important thing about the footage was watching it that big I was really struck by how much the cinematography actually reminded me of the early ‘80s cinematography. While not in any way similar stylistically, the grain and depth of field really reminded me of BLADE RUNNER for some reason.
I can’t wait to see this movie come together. There’s Snyder’s trademark stylization, but in a different light, done more practically. And the cast looks great together. The CG in the footage fit with the live action in a way that's not at all distracting.
The panel wasn’t really filled with any great information, other than one person asking if there would be a DVD extra that compiled information and art from all the other almost-made adaptations from Paul Greengrass and Terry Gilliam. Snyder said he hadn’t thought of that, but it sounded cool.
But there you go… The WATCHMEN footage in a nutshell. What I could see of it, anyway… Got WOLFMAN coming up! Stay tuned!
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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First, bitches.
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Cant wait to see this
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i cant wait for this fucking movie. im more excited for this than dark knight.
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and kudos to zack and warners for treating the press like cattle (sorry quint) but its the fans that count here...and where are the shots of carla? I WANT BOOBIES...BOOBIES....BOOBIES
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So I'm hoping lightning strikes twice with Snyder. We already know the source material is excellent, so as long as he doesn't get in the way it should be a good film.
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No other big budget film even comes within striking distance of this. it's more or less guaranteed that GI Joe is going to be terrible and so far this looks utterly breathtaking. The trailer was brilliant.
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that really is the only question i have
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jesus christ shes smokin. if only jesus were real....
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God I hope it turns out to be a great movie but this would be a damn hard story to due justice on the big screen.
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she is one hot bitch
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WATCHMEN blew my mind when I first read it as a teenager. Also, Malin is FINE.
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This thing has so much potential. I won't be so crazed as to say "it will pwn all y'all bitchess, WAHHOOO!" But I do think every indication is that this will be good. We will all hear the report from Butt Numb-A-Thon 9 at the end of this year, or wait, are they on BNAT 10?
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The teaser is fantastic. The story is good and Snyder knows how to juicy the visuals. He would have to make more effort to make a bad movie than a good one.
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zack said he was putting the pages of the comic onto the screen...and he did....what more did you expect??? deep historical drama and accuracy?? that isnt in the comic....but all you fucks fall over yourselves praising dawn of the dead, which lacks the heart and soul of the original....i dont understand any of you
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I realize you said there was no audio....but was there any info, speculation, remor-mill etc about the soundtrack...whether it'll be original or licensed?
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Never read the comic but so what, this looks like an ok romp at best, ill give it a try maybe but damn, that Snyder turd has a hard on for slo-mo. o and AVATAR will be the movie of next year, decade, century and quite possibly the whole history of cinema.
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Just doesn't do anything for me. Carla Gugino is a helluvalot hotter than her.
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Veidt did kinda strike me as a Homosexual Nazi or at least someone utterly uninterested in sex and Self-Absorbed to the point of Fascism. I think Matt Goode is a great choice for the role and in general I like the way the cast is not overly recognizable and free from off-screen personas. 300 and Dawn of the Dead used no-name actors similarly to great effect.
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Damn
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ah you luck man ! didnt get to get in to the watchmen screening today too packed.. hey saw a commercial today for the wackness and your review was on the ad ono tv for the film!!!
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July 25, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST
This will be the first film shot entirely in slow motion.
by rev_skarekroe
Sounds like a hit.
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suck on that. suck it hard.
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At least someone treats the press like the scum they are.
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If you're referring to the info in the interview Goode gave to AICN recently, then you will notice that he said he made it up to help him flesh out his character for himself. Doesn't mean we'll see him use a German accent and tongue wrestle Nite Owl.<p> One smart actor said that "theres a whole lifetime before the 1st page of a script for every character" and I believe that was what he was referring to when he gave that interview. <p> Anyway, I still can't show much excitement for this project, but still hope Snyder pulls it off.
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I believe what you meant to say was "the guy from CHUD almost punched the security guard... on his computer 5 hours after the presentation was over and he was safe inside his hotel"
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..wasn't that warriors of virtue?
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300 was a bit of a letdown but Dawn of the Dead is one of the most underrated movies of the new millenium... a simply perfect rollercoaster of a movie.
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it was an experiment...and to me, a successful one...the point was never to build on the comic, but to directly translate it to the screen...wanna make a historically accurate movie? dont use 300 as the basis for it...dont want simple minded? dont use 300....if you guys didnt want 300, why did you get excited that it was to be adapted? christ, you guys are all over nolans jock for dk, but he totally fucked up 3 different storylines to get his movie....he and goyer took aspects of dkr, long halloween and killing joke, tossed em in a blender and came out with a mush...tasty mush, true, but still a mush....wish someone would explain to me what sense it makes for the joker to not wish to kill the bat....cuz hes too much fun? well that makes sense if they have years of history together and the joker knows that his whole being needs the bat as a foil...but it doesnt work in this movie...nolan and goyer pop in the whole bat cult thing at the beginning, and then it disappears....but you guys loved that....shit, dkr should be a movie in and of itself....of course you guys would get down on it for being too simple minded and fascistic
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It's Åkerman.<br> Say after me please.
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I liked 300, but just about everyone in this movie looks at least 10 years too young for the parts they're playing, Nite Owl especially (and he needs to add about 50 pounds). Not big on the rubber costumes, either, but it's the ages that have me worried...
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"We see a medium shot of Nite Owl leaning in to kiss Silk Spectre as a nuclear warhead falls to the earth. It pushes in closer and closer as their lips almost touch. The instant they kiss the warhead falls, which we see between them. Then it cuts out to them kissing as a mushroom cloud rises in the distance, the concussion wave rushing towards the two. Damn nice." This...this isn't in the GN. Not even close. Now I'm a little worried.
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... as a movie, no matter what the source material was like. The trailers where, just like the 1st watchmen trailer, awesome! Slow-mo, action based, with a good song in the background.... <p> That kinda made me worry even more for The Watchmen.
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It is actually, it's a dream Dreiberg has.
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is probably the best written issue of a comic book I've ever read. Just beautiful. They better do justice to it in the film.
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Man, if they've changed the Alien Squid-Thing ending to some BS nuclear thing, it's gonna suck. The sheer insanity of the villian's master plan is what takes the book from quite good to freakin' classic.
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This sounds suspicious and tiring at best . Unless soemhow they gave it a downer ending with the world destroying itself via massive nuclear warfare . That might be interesting.... it really thwarts the motives and themes of the comic tho....
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Somebody should've slipped the guy 10 bucks to pop that tool Devin in the mouth. He needs it.
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christ...if you guys wanna complain, go back and read the novel first....as for the ages, that has been dealt with...gugino says she plays a 67 year old mom in the movie...think they did it sans makeup???...they age the characters...and as yet, no one knows what changes to the end have been made so stop fucking speculating
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SPOILER The nukes are probably from Nite Owl's dream, where he unzips his skin to himself to reveal the Nite Owl outfit, he kisses Silk Spectre and there's an explosion.
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im gonna ride this horse into the ground...300 was zack's experiment at bringing an entire comic right onto the screen....sin city partially did it, but 300 fully did it...if you didnt like the movie, then it was the comic that was crap...but i disagree on both counts....300 was millers attempt at making a cinematic comic...it worked....the movie then just put it on the screen...it worked....i rest my case...im right, the rest of you are cocksuckers
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benicio is benicio, rick baker is all grey, and emily blunt is cute...but there is no footage....and how is it that this shitty site, mahalo.com is the one doing all the posting...they are a fucking linking site
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Know Squid, Know Peace.
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The fact that you put your opinion above other peoples, and state your word as final makes you a cocksucker.<p> Besides, your theory of bringing a comic fully to the screen (whatever you mean by that) is kinda stupid, cause as far as I know Snyder changed a lot of stuff from the book.
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read the book and get back to us asshole. You clearly are forgetting a pretty memorable scene, as others have already reminded you.
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We know next to nothing about the movie, except for general plot and character details and that it's an alien story. Oh and one unique, albeit incredibly vague trailer. I am excited for it, and glad Cameron is taking his sweet time to get it just right, but I can't really compare anything to Watchmen because there isn't really much to compare. Watchmen is definitely my most anticipated film of 2009. Maybe when I finally have a fucking clue what the hell is happening with Avatar I can get more excited. And all you other equally ignorant movie lovers maybe need to calm down with the Avatar love. Do you even know what any of the characters LOOK like? Sheesh.
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The latest EW article cited above offhandedly claimed the climax of the movie had changed. I doubt that and think the reporter was relying on baseless rumors. See the following article:<BR><BR> From http://tinyurl.com/6ye3f3 <BR><BR> ...in a November 2007 Starlog Magazine interview, Zack Snyder uttered the now infamous quote, “I’m absolutely keeping the graphic novel’s ending.” Squid’s in, right? How could Zack be any clearer? Hold on. <BR><BR> Just a week later, on this site’s exclusive Zack Snyder fan Q&A, Snyder mentioned in one of his answers that in the film he would show that Dr. Manhattan was working on creating “world universal energy” technology. Something that was not in the original book, but in an early script draft where the squid was taken out and replaced with a completely different ending. So, squid’s out, right? <BR><BR> Well, hold onto your smiley badges. We got another piece of news that seemed to confirm our tentacled friend made the cut in February of 2008 when it was reported that Neville Page, the lead creature designer for the film Cloverfield, was hired to work on the Watchmen film. That's what this guy does — design big scary monsters for movies, just like our squid pal! Why sign him up if the squid wasn’t in? I mean, it’s the only creature in Watchmen! <BR><BR> Cross-eyed yet? No? Well, in the spring of 2008, two individuals who worked as extras on the film shared secondhand information, from individuals they said were reliable sources, that definitively confirmed to them that, “the squid is in.” <BR><BR> Then, just the other day in another Matthew Goode interview, the actor stated, “fans of the story will be very pleased with this adaptation.” Whoa. A far cry from the October 2007 interview where he more or less said, as the ending stood then, fans would not be happy at all.
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sorry, but i choose not to go into my boxes to search out the comic...so zack leaves out one scene and the movie is crap? he also added the whole queen stuff too, but that didnt hurt the film...he made other minor changes...but what i see everyone bitchin about is the slo-mo, the fact that the movie isnt historically accurate and the fact that there were creatures which couldnt really exist...pretty much what the comic showed...which was the point...call me a cocksucker if you like, but as miller appreciated the film, i think im right...you are all wrong...and you can all eat the peanuts from my shit
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...but the "kissing under a mushroom cloud" bit is not a spoiler, dumbass -- it's from Dreiberg's (Nite Owl's) dream sequence before he and Laurie go rescue the people in the apartment building that's on fire...
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to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"... <BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare <BR><BR> Your headache, it's Squid inside you Make a promise to the fans Save the Squid, now is the time to Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth <BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare <BR><BR> Lovecraftian Squid will pop in NYC with psychic screams Plant a horror for the future For the death of millions will save everything <BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare
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Thank me for going to my website, josephdickerson.com...
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...is a dream that Dan has. Not really spolier worthy.
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its the ending. if it doesnt end with the squid, then something majors got to be created from bullshit scratch to even have the movie make sense by the end. new york has to die, there has to be a percieved world-ending global threat to unite the nations of earth from the brink of nuclear war, and it has to be orchestrated by ozymandias. and its got to involve a solid reason why doc manhattan doesnt just magic it away. i cant think of ANY reason to change the squid other than they dont think itll go over well with the audience, which isnt a great reason. kinda compromising of the artistic front.<p><p>also the nuke scene isnt a change dumbasses. its a dream night owl has when he falls asleep after failing to get it up the first time with silk spectre. having said which - why bother keeping that in but changing the squid?
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LOL you made my day....I also liked 300
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omelete.com.br/cine/ 100014038/Watchmen.aspx
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the cgi abs and the cgi nipples...well i likes boobs and abs...and there better be plenty of both in watchmen
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Those posters are freakin' SWEET!!!!
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the 6 hour wait for the panel was worth it. The new footage looks fantaastic. I'm so fucking excited..
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go and do a little google for avatar related news and youll see why its gonna shit all over this 8fps shite, Cameron has invented a new fuckin camera and way of viewing and making a movie for Avatar, the treatment/script can be found online so can concept art and various interviews about the technology so alot of fans know whats going on. Come Dec 2009 James Cameron will again be KING OF THE FUCKIN WORLD
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forget the pictures, read the quotes...
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i did that once...for the first toddler spawn signing at golden apple...and will never do it again...even for the chance of seeing a malin nip slip
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To be taken with grain of salt: Instead of the faux alien squid monster, Ozzie kills half of New York with a faked Doc Manhattan-style attack (blue energy beams, I guess). Fake Doc Manhattan threatens to kill the rest of the planet if they don't make nice. Peace ensues. To be honest, that version -- if true -- could be good. And you could leave out the artists-on-the-island subplot out, which would probably have played too weird in a movie. It kind of played a bit too weird in the book, and I love the book.
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That was a rumor I heard, just to be clear.
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Cloverfield 2?
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Cloverfield 2?
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cannot wait for this film =0)
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to see so many people on this site proclaiming the the movie ain't without the squid. And telling folks that the kissing and nuke is Nite Owls dream after he fails to consummate with SS. However, because of this, I really have nothing to add. Except my vote. GIANT SQUID!!!!!!!
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to say "ain't The Watchmen without the squid".
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She was probably in mid-laughter or something but the pic in this post caught a bit of some rooster action under the chin. Doesn't matter... she's pretty smokin' and we know that. Either way I am COMPLETELY READY for MILLER/SNYDER'S WATCHMEN.
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My only real reservation is that the actors seem too young for their characters, with the exception of Rorschach.
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How cool is that!
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The footage they showed looked awesome. I felt the Q&A was a bit of a letdown because the moderator didn't facilitate great questions, and the fans' questions were on the lame side. But I was impressed the whole cast and Dave Gibbons showed up, in addition to Zack. In the end, I was very happy with the panel, because while I don't know anything about Avatar, based on the footage they showed, this will be the "IT" movie of next year. I can't think of anything else that will approach it.
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Let Zack keep the movie at 2 hrs 45 mins to 3 hrs. Don't make him cut it up and gyp us of the masterpiece it can be!
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Oh I know all that. I just wish I knew more. I still can't find the script either. But I love James Cameron's work and I am looking forward to it. Believe me, I am excited, but since Watchmen has both an earlier release date, and a trailer with real definitive footage of the film, I am just much more ready for THAT one to come out right now. Great TB name, by the way.
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to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"... <BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen<BR> Only Squid can clear the air<BR> Save the Squid, Squid for America<BR> Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare<BR><BR> Your headache, it's Squid inside you<BR> Make a promise to the fans<BR> Save the Squid, now is the time to<BR> Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth<BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen<BR> Only Squid can clear the air<BR> Save the Squid, Squid for America<BR> Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare<BR><BR> Lovecraftian Squid will pop in<BR> NYC with psychic screams<BR> Plant a horror for the future<BR> For the death of millions will save everything<BR><BR> Save the Squid for the Watchmen<BR> Only Squid can clear the air<BR> Save the Squid, Squid for America<BR> Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare!
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... like lots of us have done since the promo and I was really struck anew by how well we identify with Rorschach. I mean, he's a loser, yet a badass; he's a head case and street crank who believes he's the only person who is truly moral and deserves to live (basically); he's an ugly, vulgar pug-nosed kid... yet you love him and wanna keep him as a little pet, and you wanna be his friend. You identify with him through the narration to the extent that you let the sickness slide (or else you get off on it) It's a brilliant characterization, possibly the best in any superhero comic ever, and rivaling any character in film as well - I'm thinking De Niro in Taxi Driver of course as the archetype, but Rorschach just kicks all their asses. He is an all-time GREAT character and there's a good reason Moore built his story around him.
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and you will see why he is the perfect choice for rorshach...
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We aren't there, and don't really know who everyone in your pics are. Please! It would be a nice gesture.
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goddamn she is hot. I was watching some of the vids on youtube from the panel and she's so articulate and artsy as well as just smoking. Yes it's lame to get wood over movie stars, but just keeping it real.
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I agree that the whole subplot of the people on the island was convoluted and a bit of of place even in the book. I don't know how you can do this in shorthand in the film, and if you trying to choose 3 hrs of material from the book, I don't think you waste 20 min on the island stuff. So if they have to cut it, it will suck but I will understand.
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I can see why they want to go with the fake Doctor Manhattan but the whole point of the ending is for something, not from this world, to all of the sudden pose this huge threat. They do this by killing a massive number of people to prove a point and if it's just Doc Manhattan saying come together or I'll destroy you, it just doesn't have the same weight to it. Plus if this is the case then the other rumor of Nite Owl killing Veidt at the end would be totally unwarranted. Also they would only need to spend a few minutes on the Squid subplot. Not 20 minutes, rupee88. Plus Rorschach's diary entry would have no weight to it either and so the big possibility of Veidt being caught would be ruined as well. Just stick to the ending. If they change the ending then they have to add a whole bunch of crap for it to make sense and why do that? Someone in these interviews, needs to ask Snyder if he fucked up the ending or not? Because that's what most fans care about.
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The whole point of the Comedian being killed is because of the Squid so I don't see what direction they would go with that then, either.
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but without it, there would be no lost...so some writers found the subplot fascinating...and until i hear from someone who has seen a ruff cut, i will believe no internet rumors about the ending
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The mechanism of destruction that is basically the comics grand guignol finale is NOT a minor quibbling detail. It simply isn't.<p> <p>Likewise the architect and planner of the entire scheme cannot be said to be a bit player.<p> <p>I've been fine with even the rumoured squiddy chages (up to a point) and thought the trailer was superb and by far the most exciting looking thing for next year, however when Goode started speaking of his own imaginary Nazi interpretation of Veidt the wheels started to seriously fall off this for me.<p> <p>Goode has a tough enough job as it is. He looks completely wrong for Ozy. He did from when the first pictures emerged. Too young and too slight for a Charles Atlas archetype as well as having the wrong costume. But I could look past all that if he was played as the character on the page. Instead Goode talked of his imaginary Nazi past and pushing a slight German accent into the film as it went on. That simply wasn't needed and turns the character into a pathetic stereotype Nazi badguy if it appears along with that costume.<p> <p>If people are now saying Goode was talking rubbish then I for one will cheer. But if you have a fey, dark, Nazi sounding Veidt AND no squiddy then you have ripped the heart out of the project.<p> <p>It's not the comic, the comic is still there and will always be there. It doesn't have to BE the comic slavishly but you can't pretend those two things are minor fan quibbles.<p> <p>The Watchmen Movie deserves to be seen on it's merits and needn't follow slavishly to be a great film. BUT If you can get Doc Manhattan & Rorschach right AND have the Mars sequence with the artifact but somehow completely miss the point about Veidt and replace squiddy with a sanitised low impact finale then don't be surprised that the fans you have tried to get on your side become skeptical and might think the worst.<p> <p>I'm still very excited by this. The Trailer works brilliantly. But I fear for the End mechanism and the whole character of the man who was the mastermind of the comics plot.
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Wilson will be great and at times the Nite Owl is a true superhero but ultimately he's the guy who could care less about the world and just doesn't want to be lonely. His role in Little Children brilliantly displayed a middle aged man going through a mid life crisis and thinking of what he could have been. In the same way Nite Owl has a certain sadness to him because he walked away from who he was. I always said Nite Owl is the Mr. Incredible of Watchmen but of course, it's the other way around.
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July 26, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST
KungFuHustler, you're missing the point about AVATAR...
by Big Dumb Ape
You said (quote): "We know next to nothing about the movie except for general plot and character details and it's an alien story...but I can't really compare anything to Watchmen because there isn't much to compare. Watchmen is definitely my most anticipated film of 2009. Maybe when I finally have a fucking clue what the hell is happening with Avatar I can get more excited. And all you other equally ignorant movie lovers maybe need to calm down with the Avatar love. Do you even know what any of the characters LOOK like? Sheesh."<p>Kung Fu, that's the WHOLE POINT of why we're so excited. Avatar will be a FRESH film experience unlike Watchmen where I can already tell from the teaser that Snyder is pulling another 300. He's being SO slavish towards the source material that he's literally filming panels right out of the book. Is that a nice effect that the diehard fans will appreciate? Sure. Do I think the WATCHMEN trailer looked good, like an A-level production? Sure, it looked nice. I'll be there opening weekend. It will be interesting to see how they condense 12 comics into a 2 hour movie and I'm sure it'll be worth 10 bucks and some extra cash spent on a large popcorn.<p>But as a film fan, sorry, but I am waaaaaaaaaay more excited about seeing Cameron back in action, not to mention seeing the all-new camera technology and the next generation of 3D that he's going to debut upon the world. So what it comes down to is nice looking, well budgeted, faithful adaptation of a comic versus an all-new project with all-new characters that we haven't seen before, so it will feel truly fresh, that also breaks cinematic ground. So yeah, count me in the crowd that wants to SEE Watchmen, but is far more EXCITED about Avatar...
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For the glass artifacts final descent, destruction and zoom out.
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Not just the newer Galle piccies but Valles Marines and hopefully Olympus Mons.(Which could be a showstopper if done well.)
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It's about time someone did an Aien planet correctly and no doubt Cameron has the chops to visually do it.<p> <p>But Titanic is one of the most over-rated films ever made.<p> <p>Period.<p> <p>King of the world my ass.
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Of course you'd be cray not to look forward to checking out a new James Cameron sci-fi 3D film, but he is not a brilliant writer and I'm not expecting too much beyond some great action sequences and some convoluted alien story..and hopefully some groundbreaking 3D. Watchmen however looks to be as fun to watch as Sin City was the first time...probably moreso. I'm looking forward to it more than Avatar for those reasons, but yes I'll still pay to see both on the big screen.
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As someone who is not a Watchmen fanboy and is not very familiar with the comic, I must say this movie looks really dumb and will not have the same crossover appeal as the Dark Knight. It looks like Mystery Men.
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I saw the Watchmen panel at Comic-on with a bunch of my friends. It was okay, the teaser was pretty good, but our buddies at the WB can't seem to add. The place holds 6500 people, they printed 6500 tickets for swag redemption, but they didn't bring 6500 Watchmen t-shirts. We never got one. Sure, I'm whinning, but if you're going to do a good deal, do one for real, WB.
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.. just said it all for me its new its fresh and original, Ive heard quotes from people saying that the technology step for AVATAR is like when they invented colour, quite the claim i know, but heres hoping.(At least u recognized my name, Thankee sai) And to the people who are saying Zacks da man for just copying the comics panels onto the big screen I always thought hacks copy genius' steal. And why would it have goofy aliens in it? did ABYSS. no. Is the ALIEN QUEEN goofy. no.
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..My Chemical Romance cover Dylan for the end credits?! Fucking disgusting.
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http://tinyurl.com/363 69g
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July 26, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST
I hope Snyder takes it easy with all the slow-mo shots.
by Knuckleduster
Fuck, he's worse than John Woo.
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July 26, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST
"like when they invented color" The hype is amongst us
by JackRabbitSlim
I swear to christ - nothing kills movies like Hype. Cameron's Eighth Wonder of the World is JUST A MOVIE. The more you convince yourself its something more, the more profoundly disappointed you will be. "It will replace the automobile" Steve Jobs (allegedly) on the Segway. "No more brick and mortar stores" Every douchebaq buying Cisco at 110 bucks a share in 1999. "Windows 95!!!" No comment. The sad reality is, that with the possible exception of your first bj, if you're lucky, nothing lives up to the hype.
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I'm sure you posted what you said about Watchmen just to piss people off so please shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about. You're right, Watchmen does not have crossover appeal but why does every movie have to cater to a mainstream audience. It will not make tons of money because the film is simply not for everybody. If Snyder's tries to make it mainstream he's going to get blasted for it, by the fans and the movie will be shit because of it. Watchmen is Watchmen, it is not the Dark Knight. If all anyone cared about was money or mass appeal then we would be living in a completely fucked world. Fortunately, there is a few people who care about the art form, like true movie fans. Hopefully, Snyder shows fans he cares.
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I know nothing about the film except it's some alien story that boasts ground breaking technology. Watchmen is definitely the most anticipated film of 2009. Hands down. I know everyone loves Cameron but guess what. I just recently watched Aliens and it sucked.
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Exactly as I said its quite a claim that its "like inventing colour" and we shall see, but as your regard to hype thats exactly whats happening to this movie, HYPE and like avatar its JUST A MOVIE and to be perfectly honest it dosent look crap but it dont look great, just like 300 which was just an ok movie. and ranma your a movie retard if you think "Aliens sucked"
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think about this WATCHMEN posters will have "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF 300" AVATAR posters will have "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TITANIC, ALIENS, TERMINATOR, ABYSS" errr which one will joe public go and decide to see however Its good to see all the fans backing what looks like a faithfull comic book adaptation.
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The best trailer ever is still for Phantom Menace. You can't trust them, especially when you're looking at a plot and character driven movie like Watchmen. It doesn't matter how many snippets and whispers we hear about this, I don't think it is something that can be judged unless you see the whole thing in its entirety. I'm also guessing if you read or re-read the comic between now and the time the movie comes out, you will be dissapointed in the movie, no matter how good it is.
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This guy is going to bring gold to the silver screen. I can't believe people are actually questioning this movie because Watchmen happens to be released in the same year. And people are jumping to conclusions? Without an ounce of Avatar visuals to wet our appetite? Watchmen will be sick, and so will Avatar.
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The whole Marine Corps platoon of Aliens was pretty fucking annoying the whole way through. I couldn't stand that spanish chick and Bill Paxton was just so terrible. Sigourney Weaver is definitely great but Ridley Scott's original Alien is just so much better of a film. I know saying it sucked would piss most of you James Cameron fanboys off but I don't care. I don't know much about Cameron so I'll stop. What I do know is I didn't like Aliens . Calling someone a retard because they don't share your same thoughts on a film is pretty retarded if you ask me.
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Avatar can have all the visuals in the world. It just better have a great story, as well.
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...but Quint, all this explication of what you saw is just kicking my curious ass. Post up those bootleg, cell phone vid clips already!
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I've been revisitng films I have yet to see and I watched Alien and Aliens just last week. So, seeing a movie like that without the nostalgia factor, that I'm sure many of you possess towards this film, may play a role in my opinion being so different. I don't think the film was bad at all visually, I just thought most of it was downright cheesy. Man, I love Bill Paxton in Frailty and in True Lies (My favorite Cameron film) but he was just so horrible.
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You can count on Jimbob Cameron doing his work on the story side of things. He runs through scriptment upon scriptment before something's perfect in his eyes. And he's written a boatload of his movies [Actually, more or less all of them... if not the writer then the screenwriter]. So if you liked the way he carries himself in penning such films like the Terminator, Titanic, True Lies, or Strange Days even, then prepare for nothing less than fun and, more importantly, memorable.
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I like Terminator True Lies and Titanic. I still have to see Strange Days but what has he done lately? I know he's hard at work trying to reinvent cinema but this all boils down to what movie I anticipate more and no matter how good of a story or technology it is, do you believe the story will be anywhere near Watchmen? And as much as I enjoy some of Cameron's work, none of his movies are among my favorites of all time.
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He hasn't done anything in terms of big-budget flicks for the past decade and change, that's for sure. But he's kept his feet wet doing other things [trying to discover Jesus' tomb for one haha], and perhaps in his spare time brewing both Avatar and Battle Angel. James Cameron used to crank out something every 2-4 years, each turning out highly successful. Now given both time and money - it can only mean a great product. Watchmen has the advantage of having three people do two jobs [Snyder on directing, Hayter/Tse on screenplay] where Cameron is doing both, as usual. But on top of that Watchmen is a much more developed and 'finished' story, Frank Miller taking care of that years ago. Cameron is doing the job of making this work from scratch. I'm stoked to put it mildly.
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Sorry to burst your fanboy bubble, but here goes. #1 - Watchmen is not adaptable as a movie in any recognizable way. Think abouyt it. #2 - It's going to do shit business. Who's interested in this? Comic book geeks like us. Who else? Nobody. The couple in their 50s next to me at Dark Knight *laughed* at Dr. Manhattan's appearance and called Nite-Owl a "cheap Batman ripoff". They reflect the mainstream moviegoer's response to this. $20 million opening, sub $60 million total. #3 - They will change things from the original comic, alienating you fools too. Result: bomb. Do yourselves a favor and ignore this. Watchmen is a good comic, terrible idea for a movie.
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By the right people. I'm excited for this but I highly doubt it will end up being a good adaptation. Like I said before, Watchmen is not a product for the moviegoing public and who cares. Snyder and company tricked Warner Bros. into backing their film and they really don't know what they got themselves into. The movie is going to be a giant waste of money. So it will either be shunned by the mainstream and be a terrible adaptation, which means it'll be an ultimate failure. Or two, it will be shunned by mainstream audience an dbe a great adaptation, in which true fans are happy. Either way it won't be a massive success but I'll take the latter. Like Mathhew Goode said in his interview, at least i believe he did, he just made a 3 hour arthouse film and I hope that ends up being the case. And Halberd, I definitely have a certain admiration for Cameron but other than his past success there's nothing for me to be excited about, just yet anyways, when it comes to Avatar. And Alan Moore wrtoe Watchmen, not Frank Miller. Miller wrote Sin City and Dark Knight Returns and 300. Moore wrote V for Vendetta, From Hell and Extraordinary Gentlemen. They have two very different styles.
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If the adaptation of Watchmen fails then so be it. We will forever have the original comic and nothing can change that. We all hope that Watchmen will be great but if it isn't, it isn't. Everyone has to make such a big deal out of something that's not. No matter how good the movie, nothing will touch the source material. That's always the case, in the past, and things will be this way forever.
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Watchmen will pull GREAT dividends, because if 300 was any solace, it showed that kick ass slow motion battles is a vehicle for profit. CurtKobain, you talk about a couple in their 50s laughing at Nite Owl because of his Batman-esque appearance. Well guess what... he was influenced by Batman. Frank Miller drew influences from everybody, except he twisted it to the point that most everybody is a normal human being with the exception of the Doc Manhattan. I think the 50 year old demographic is a bad depiction of Watchmen's future.
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Would I have said the public would smash records with a very dark Batman Movie ?<p> <p>NOPE.<p> <p>So there is a hunger for these type of movies and though some will definitely NOT and NEVER get it, the Watchmen will peak the interest of many of boxoffices young demographic who are going to see TDK in record numbers and may well decide to see Watchmen too.<p> <p>The recent huge jump in the Sales of the Watchmen graphic novel are also a sign that there is definitely interest in the project.<p> <p>Whatever, there are many of us who will be delighted to see Rorschach, Dr Manhattan and Nite Owl on the big screen even if it doesn't turn out to be "the greatest thing since they invented color" *cough* and may ultimately disappoint.<p> <p>It's still bound to be a Million times better than handcock.
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Why do you keep saying Frank Miller? What does he have to do with Watchmen?
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With the exception of Alan Moore I'm pretty sure Frank Miller still has a percentage of impact on the outcome of Watchmen - the incredible one-liners and the characters themselves. Either way he was only the original writer if I'm correct, and the people on top of the screenplay is what matters when it comes to adaptation and Hayter/Tse are the guys at the helm.
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I don't know know anything about comics so I'll concede the point then.
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I looked it up and have found no connection between Frank Miller and Watchmen. So, as far as I'm concerned, there is none. It was Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons creation and they definitely took inspiration from Batman for the character or Nite Owl but that's about it.
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Frank Miller was not involved with the Watchmen comic in any way. Alan Moore wrote it. Frank Miller is not involved with the Watchmen film in any way.
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until the Spirit came around. That movie looks terrible.
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but it does look nice. Hope it lives up to the fan's expectations.
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You do make a point about the nostalgia factor making an impact on how you percive a film but as to the marines being annoying and cheesy, well if youd seen ALIENS before all the other movies that ripped off that squad dynamic youd see how brilliant ALIENS does it and HUDSON is the comic relief as with VASQUEZs quips The contest between ALIEN and ALIENS cannot be won both are 2 amazing movies different but brilliant because of that.
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You're right but I don't mind marines being marines but why so cheesy? It mainly had to did with acting and line delivery. I haven't seen a movie that copied that whole aspect that I haven't enjoyed. It's not aobut doing it first, it's about doing it well. So name a few movies that copied that and I can almost guarantee I didn't like them or if I did I would give valid reasons for enjoying them. But, off the top of my head, I can't think of movies that had that same aspect that I enjoyed. Help me out.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=nofdf5a8ics
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Matthew Goode on some interview video on the New York Times site. He was a little irritating, but he didn't look as frail as he has looked in most of the Watchmen pics I've seen of him. So maybe he'll be all right. He seems a right arrogant prick, yeah?
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Im dont mean movies with exact space marines in, or a particular army squad I mean dynamics with a group of people, I get the feel that they were a tight squad who had worked together (alot like in PREDATOR another classic which I hope you enjoy), also a tight crew in real life as Cameron has used nearly all them in other movies, Paxton, Behin, and Goldstein (vazquez). And its not mainly on cinema that ALIENS is the biggest inspiration Id mainly say its in Video Games, also True Lies is by far Camerons cheesiest film so Im suprised you dont like that bit of chedder that coats the marines dialogue, which I agree does, but makes me love them all the more for it
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also you do know its supposed to be a vietnam squad in space so really Cameron was going for that vibe I belive,
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...to all those addressing the mistaken Miller/Watchmen tie-in. At that time I was skimming an article on Frank and TDK and I must've flip-flopped the names [moore/miller], but at any rate Moore still worked with Miller and everyone draws from everyone. Also, Drturing, you mentioned "the depth that Watchmen requires seems to be missing. If you remove that depth, it is pointless." I was under the impression that Hayter was writing the screenplay for the very purpose of protecting that depth, or as some are worried about, the 'accuracy' with adapting a story as complex as Watchmen. He fought for flashbacks and the idea of movie revolving around six characters instead of one. It's all a give and take if you ask me, because in the end, pure explanation is another name for an origin's-type effort [which would be great, should there be another installment or two for Watchmen in the future], or it simply won't be fun enough for the execs to greenlight. I guess we're all going to wait and see what they did with this film.
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not even a real debate there..no contest.
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July 26, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST
well the film is already a success in causing so many people to
by Rupee88
It is #1 in Amazon's fiction literature category. So at least this movie is turning on an entire new generation to the comic/GN and that is a good thing. And hopefully they will search out more Moore work too...Miracleman, Supreme, the ABC stuff, etc...Miracleman rivals even Watchmen in coolness but the rights have been tied up in the courts for years, so hence no graphic novel is in print...very sad.
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I just don't see how this movie can be profitable unless there are way more nerds out there like myself. I mean, can you just imagine the ending of this film for someone that has never read the graphic novel. In a half a years time I gonna see those faces, and there gonna be pale with rage.
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Are you high, alien better than aliens. Your Fired.
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I don't see how it could be messed up, staying that faithful to the source material.
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Alien is a much superior film. It's much more atmospheric and the slow deliberate pacing is perfect. Plus the whole crew is intriguing and the acting is great across the board unlike Aliens. And charyoutre, you call True Lies cheesy but last time I checked True Lies was an action comedy. Aliens is not a comedy at all, and Paxton didn't provide any comic relief he was just annoying. He was this guy trying to be a total badass and it was just phony. I loved him in True Lies, too, but he was just terrible in this. in my opinion, Ridley Scott is a much better filmmaker and that's why Alien is the superior.
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That's how you do a group dynamic. I would rather Aliens would have kept it serious. Predator didn't resort to someone providing comic relief and I believed those guys were genuine soldiers. The soldiers in Aliens didn't seem genuine at all. I also can see why people prefer Aliens, because it's much more showy and action-oriented. But I'll take mood and atmosphere any day.
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First, anyone suggesting Watchmen has even 1/4 the name recognition that Batman, or even Lord of the Rings, for that matter, has in the general populace is profoundly self-delusional. Second, the death of Heath Ledger gave Dark Knight unique social traction. Third, Dark Knight has been lauded by both the geeks and the mainstream press, a rarity indeed and a repeat one can only hope for in Watchmen. Fourth, I enjoyed 300 and Dawn of the Dead but ... Zack Snyder is no Christopher Nolan.
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Well see now all these are just opinions, you dont think True Lies is cheesy? Paxton isnt annoying in that? Tom Arnold is FAR MORE annoying and cheesy in TRUE LIES than Paxton in ALIENS. He is supposed to be an "obnoxious loose cannon" in ALIENS and I think he plays that very well. and I didnt say ALIENS was better than ALIEN I think any true fan of the franchise knows that them two cannot be compared, one day youll feel like one more than the other. ALIEN is the best Haunted House movie ever, set in space and near every frame is perfect to watch. But damn sometimes I wanna see a BadAss, loud gang of Space Marines go "bug huntin" and blow shit up, and no other movie has done that yet. ALIENS is an action movie and in nearly every action movie there is an annoying cliched smart ass whos job it is, is to quip and annoy I think PAXXTON must have been TO good in that role if you disliked it so much. As for Ridley Being the better filmaker I might have agreed a few years ago but his choices of movies of late are shit.(A Good Year, Matchstick Men, Hannibal, GI Jane and Kingdom were poo) I dont think hes done a great movie since Black Rain, however he did make BladeRunner. I know Cameron has been quiet on the movie front what with Jesus' and the Titanics graves, but again this is like comparing the two Alien movies, it cant be done I think, both are the best of the best at what they do.Its just Ridley dropped the ball a bit since the mid 90s I think. Only time will tell what Cameron can do now.
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Plus people who saw Dark Knight saw Begins either in the theater, on DVD, or cable. That film was good and built an audience for the 2nd film. Watchmen doesn't have any chance to build a reputation the way Nolan built (probably more accurate to say rebuilt or repaired) the Batman franchise. Even without Ledger, Dark Night was going to do gangbusters opening weekend because it had a built in audience.
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How can you dislike someone you used to like for a movie you haven't even seen yet?
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Are you serious? This has all the ingredients for box office destruction, and the TIME for promotion. We're, what? Eight months away from WATCHMEN's release? That's eight months for potential growth and heavy allocation for Watchmen advertisement. And with a name like 300 under your belt, people actually do KNOW Snyder. No one should even doubt Watchmen yet... too early to do just about anything.
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You just know that his Bat-suit design would rock.
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With 300 and Sin City, I also had never read the graphic novels. But they still had appeal regardless of whether you've read the source material or not. A movie about 300 spartans vs the whole persian army? Sounds good, count me in. Same with Sin City, it looked too cool to miss. The Watchmen however, doesn't look remotely appealing to me. It looks convoluted and visually awkward, with costumes that look like they're out of the Captain America movie or the Flash tv series. Both times I went to see Dark Knight, each group I was with basically looked around at each other with a 'wtf is this shit' kind of look on their face. To a fan of the Watchmen, I'm sure this looks fantastic, but to people who have never read the comics, or have never even heard of it, it looks cheesy and unappealing.
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Here's hoping she keeps that track rollin'!
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July 27, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST
Watchmen is nigh-impossible to fuck up if you stay to the source
by TallBoy66
The only problem is Snyder's slow-mo fetish could get in the way of the story. And, big ending spoilers here kids, altering the odd detail to streamline it isn't all that bad, but taking out the fake alien squid and replacing it with something else really kinda does alter the whole finale of the book. It's almost more tragic and mind-blowing an ending BECAUSE it's so fucked up. I mean, psyhic mutant somewhat vagina-looking squid that explodes and kills millions? The mind can't comprehend, which is why it works in a horrible sort of way. Oh, and Quint got more facts wrong again in his report, as he usually does in his comic posts, but at least he got a hot pic of Malin so I'm happy.
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I never said I disliked Cameron INWO, I just said said I have no reason to be excited about Avatar. And charyoutree, what I was saying was True Lies was meant to be a comedy and cheesy. Paxton was annoying but wasfar better, non-cliched character. Tom Arnold can be annoying too but I loved him in True Lies. I thought he was note-perfect and was the best man for the job. To be honest, aobut action movies always having that cliched chracter that is obnoxious and there for comic relief, I have always disliked that role in an action movie and have always felt like a character such as that was uncalled for. I don't mind big action movies, but the action scenes better wow me if they want to have any lasting effect on me. So, all in all, that cheesiness fit True Lies but it didn't make me enjoy Aliens. Also, about Ridley and James, I guess they're about level because Ridley has been off his game. But I truly liked Matchstick Men and even though I hated Kingdom of Heaven, I hear the director's cut is a totally different movie and much better.
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what you say is all true Ranma and obviously it will always come down to personal tastes, but I just cant hate Hudson, no, sorry I cant. And Aliens will always be a seminal Action/Sci-fi flick I think, did you watch the Directors Cut of ALIENS? I cant remember if theres more or less of Paxton, but I remember liking it more than the normal version.
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I was talking about Miller. You said you used to like him until he did the Spirit.
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I just don't get the point of the Spirit just completely copying Sin City's style. It just shows his lack of direction by making a decision. And it appears as though, Samuel jackson is going to completely ruin that film. There's this masculine nature he has in alot of his work and at this point, it just seems like he has nothing left in his tank. But you're right, it's wrong of me to judge something I have not seen.
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I have to say I saw Aliens in a different light, this time around, and immensely enjoyed it. Hudson kicked ass when it mattered, same with Vasquez.
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Hmmn, are you serious Mr Ranma? I hope so, Coz Im not very good at detecting sarcasim on the interwebz, And Hudson and Vasquez really do kick ass dont they.
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They did kickass overall. I sitll find them annoying at first but the chracters are definitely redeemed by the end and you totally dig them. They weren't scared and they fought till the end and when Vasquez fucking put her boot to that alien and then blasted the head off, that was some shit sick. But I didn't get why Ripley totally torched that whole nest and everything. She should have just walked away, instead of deciding to agitate the hell out of the queen by killing all her beautiful babies. All the creatures in these alien films freak me the hell out.
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Well said dude, and of course, there not perfect as characters but they do count when it matters, as you pointed out. And If I remember correctly Ripley torches the nest because dosent an Egg begin to open as shes leaving? I think she belives that the Queen wouldnt hold up her end of the bargin and let them out alive, maybe?
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I don't recall an egg opening up. But maybe I missed it. It was still a very great ending. I love when the Queen tears Bishop in half. I'm going to watch Alien 3 sometime today. I hear it's not too good but I'm doing David Fincher week at my house and Aliens 3 is up next. I saw The Game last night which i didn't like.
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Yea just checked an egg begins to open and Ripley tilts her head at the Queen in a "Cheeky Bitch," kinda way, I like Alien3 and even 4 not that there amazing but far from crap as some would have you think. I wish they would have stuck to the original concept for Alien3 in which Ripley landed on a "wooden planet?" monestry filled with monks who then belived this WOMAN brought the Devil.
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Hopefully I will be seeing it soon and then I guess I'll watch Alien Resurrection. Why not finish off the whole series? I hear the soundtrack for Alien 3 is amazing.
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I don't think I ever caught that Ripley even had an option to just leave. I just figured she wouldn't leave because that just leaves the Aliens there waiting to kill the next group of people that wander in. She already lost two groups to them. I hated Alien 3. I think 4 is bad, but by that point my expectations were lowered so much that I don't hate it. MILD SPOILER FOR PART 4.....I liked some of the visuals they came up with, even if the movie itself was pretty retarded with that hybrid baby thing. I also liked the way the 3 aliens escaped captivity.
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They go to some other planet and there are these very hostile creatures there so they kill them? I mean how does that help anything. We don't belong there, stay on Earth, and leave the creatures alone. The company does this just for the sake of discovering new life. I say leave them the hell alone and just leave. Once they discovered everyone was dead, there's nothing left to do but to go back home. I just felt like Ripley went out of here way to kill a bunch of things when she could have just snuck out and got away much more easily, in my opinion. I mean here back was to the exit and she torched everything in front of her then she went back to where she came from. Technically, they weren't in the way of her route back to the spaceship.
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you missed it, The company knew that there was an alien distress/warning signal from that planet in ALIEN, they knew what would happen when they sent the colonist there, WEYLAND-YUTANI didnt care and wanted the Xenomorph from the very beginning for the ultimate weapon, its that you have to buy. And Ripley had lost alot due to these creatures even a daughter as shown in the directors cut thats why Newt was such a surragate for her. Do you really think the Queen (or even some subordinate drones on the way out) would have just let her waltz back out to come back with an Army? Ripley knew it would never end and the company would keep trying to get the Alien. That was her chance to end it for good, the egg opening was just an excuse for Ripley to flame them like somebody in an AICN talkback.
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They couldnt get back home untill Bishop brought the new Dropship down they then defend themselves with the Uber turrets until when they are on the way to the dropship Newt gets taken. NO WAY is Ripley gonna take that.
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Very good points. I didn't the whole ultimate weapon thing. Maybe that's discussed later in the series.
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a winner dude everyone has their views, I think you get most of it when Ripleys raging at Burke after he puts the facehuggers in her room "you dont see them fucking each other over for a percentage" and I think its mentioned again in 3-4
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Burke doing that was a case of wanting the specimen so it could allow him to be famous and even more rich. Not necessarily to utilize it as a weapon. I'm watching Alien 3 soon. I'll come back here and tell you my thoughts.
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It was Ian Holmes who mentions it being the perfect killing machine, or even someone in 3. Its pretty obvious thats, what the company want it for, what else do the big bad companys want with the perfect killing machine, its in 4 but its the Army not the Company who are after it. You think theyd go through all this trouble just to study it?
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alien 3 was disappointing. I didn't mind the whole prison setup but I hate that they killed off all the characters from Aliens, besides Ripley. The movie wasn't scary at all and the use of cgi was pretty horrible. The alien franchise is about special effects, not visual effects.
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