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The Unfortunate Reality Behind PUNISHER WAR ZONE...
Hey folks, Harry here... I know I'm not at Comic Con - but that doesn't mean I'm not covering it. At the PUNISHER WAR ZONE panel yesterday, Gale Anne Hurd told the audience that Lexi Alexander was on her "Honeymoon" and couldn't make it.
That is what we call a "story" - others may call it a "cover" and still others may call it a "bald face lie."
How can I say that? Well when I posted that Comic Con footage with the shitty music and terrible scratches (that otherwise rocked) - a source of mine that I've been in contact for years inside Lionsgate contacted me out of sheer frustration, whom I'll call JIGSAW. It seems that after a summer, where we've had incredible success with Superhero properties that were treated with respect by filmmakers that were left to do their thing... that Lionsgate has turned a deaf ear to all of that.
Lexi Alexander has been kicked to the curb - part of that treatment was her "honeymoon" from Comic Con. However, there's more totally awesome wedding gifts that Lionsgate has given the blushing bride. She's off the movie and wrapped up in a non-disclosure clause - so we won't be hearing from her anytime soon, UNLESS THINGS CHANGE RADICALLY - but Lionsgate isn't necessarily known for calming down. They've decided to market it HARD CORE - and they've decided to jettison the composer for the film in lieu of loud thrashing metal, because nothing says PUNISHER like raspy amps.
The music choice is very much about producing a soundtrack that'll sell well, fuck whether or not it serves the film. Jigsaw also told me - that the film may survive the manhandling, but will not be the film that lovers of Garth Ennis and Tim Bradstreet are hoping for. Expect an erratic head pounding METAL show.
I thought we were past that sort of shit.
Oh well.
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My hopes for this movie have not changed because I pretty much had none to begin with.
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I really want a good Punisher movie. Oh well.
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They're doing it because it worked for Rambo. That is all.
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...who will be excited by this. "OMG, I hope they get da Lincoln Park!11!1"
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For every great respectful franchise, we have to get one or two turds.
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this movie to be any good anyway. I didn't even think that it would be better than the Tom Jane film. And that demo reel of footage from Comic Con only solidified these feelings. Those fake film scratches -- is the final film going to look like that? Why? Does the film have low production values and orange blood to match?
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Raaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwww!!!!!! I think that song should be in every film trailer.
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because that song is F'ing AWESOME!!! /sarcasm
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Moon Knight is the next Marvel character to explore as a film...one that is sure to be a big success, and he's right under everyone's nose. This character has gone largely ignored for much too long.
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and the music, which i find pretty boring by itself, does kind of combine with the ultraviolent visual tone. its just awful to treat the director like that though. crappy.
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I swear I typed my post before I saw yours.
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so she just has no say on post production? If so that sucks
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who said that?
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Are more important than the real fans that read their shit.
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who cares about this movie anyway?
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It's Lionsgate so we'll get the director's cut at some stage. The comic con footage looks promising even though the soundtrack sucked but the Tom Jane version was the same with the awful Drowning Pool songs.
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Who gives a shit if there's a bunch of butt metal in it? Isn't that kinda de rigueur with this kind of b-grade action film. Does the Punisher shoot some motherfuckers? Yes? Good. It's got a real supervillan in it? Awesome. So they're using a soundtrack that appeals to Juggalos, oh, well. Like the audience for this film isn't 90% retards regardless of music?
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...As John Travolta being the bad guy in the first film. That sucks cause I really like Ennis/Bradstreet's Punisher. Leave it to shitheel movie execs to go fuck up a good thing.
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You know....I was just starting to dig the Punisher comics again....missed out on them for a long while. Vaguely excited about this film. But now we see that the studio knows better than the people making the film.
Fuckem.
Kind of reminds me of Script Girl....you know? Ever notice how she has....BREASTS? TWO OF THEM?!?
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Far as I know, the rights are still tied up with No Equal Entertainment out of Vancouver who were hoping to make a TV series out of good ol' Marc Spector. I tried to see about working on it with them back in 2006 and no dice. We've since heard nothing about it. Sucks because I think we could see an interesting new aspect to the superhero genre on film above and beyond what would be sure to be a gruesome, violent epic.
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Release a version that would have seemed dated 5 years ago. Genius. - And just in case you're Lionsgate, that was sarcasm. Fuckwads. These kind of "soundtracks" ruin movies.
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no one think about that??? or maybe jane was right??? or maybe the con trailer has all of the good scenes....thats it...3 minutes out of a 90 minute movie...oh, and who is bangin lexi? i want to shake that mans hand
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you just might love THIS: http://tinyurl.com/5eznth
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What was the disagreement about?
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Bring on the Punisher. And I love thrash so piss off.
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200,000 showed up to watch obama speak in germany...while mccain was eating a bratwurst in a german restaraunt surrounded by 3 people...the country has gone to shit, but you are worried about socialism?? fuck the red menace...how old are you, 80?? or are you just another rushbot, too stupid to think for yourself and happy to spew talking points on every board in the multiverse...obama will be the next president...you dont like it, get the fuck out of my country...MORE ADS HARRY
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How deep can the Punisher be? It's a one -dimensional character. Better as a foil for another protagonist, as he was initially.
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The whole comic has just been a violent action movie on paper. It surprises me that people expect more from a film. The trailer for the new film looks exactly like what a movie version of the comic should look like AND the soundtrack in the trailer is completely appropriate. Heads explode as death metal thrashes.
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So that's 3 more voters then Obama spent time with?
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Learn to keep your meaty paws off the creative process, no one like you and you don't know shit.
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ich bin einer berliner....you cocksucker
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or W3bzpinn3r or whoever the hell the political spammer is? It's bad enough that we're getting another suck-ass Punisher flick, but we gotta wade through a boring polemic too?
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Lionsgate execs must have been kicking it in someone hotel suite, sniffing coke, and banging prostitutes and decided that metal music would just fooking rule in the Punisher movie because it will sell more albums. Fucking retards.
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Lexi kinda makes crap Green Street Hooligans made British Soccer Thugs into mostly uninteresting Nancies. That movie has some of the worst action I've seen and she admited in the Special Features she had zero exposure to that culture before filming. Punisher looks slightly more promising and hard-core but I still doubt that it's more than a pile of shit. They need to make a Punisher vs. Daredevil battle movie. It could be shot for 60 million-ish and would capitalize on the Marvel-phoria of this summer.
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As long as Thomas Jane continues his one-man war against crime I am in!! The first movie was good enough, so I'm confident he'll carry this one.
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Lexi had real passion for the character, and spoke out when the first teaser edit sucked. Now Lionsgate has kicked her out of the process, which means there is little chance of this movie being good. And I was really looking forward to it too. maybe someday we will see her cut. Until then, Lionsgate can kiss my ass. They won't get another cent from me.
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Ugh. On an unrelated note I saw George W. Bush on tv recently and he looked like he had his soul destroyed and someone cut his balls of in his sleep.
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I don't care about the metal music. I ordinarily prefer real music, but this is all good guys, bad guys, faces being blown off, and guys being ground up in giant garbage disposals. I can live with the shit music. What I WOULDN'T be able to live with is a Punisher movie that is NOT "hard core". The response to the first teaser was lukewarm - at best, and featured the incredibly cringe-inducing "sometimes I'd like to get my hands on God" line that sounded like it was being read by Hayden Christensen. Maybe the movie, despite its considerable violence, was being held down by seriously pussyfied moments like those, that remind you that Lexi tried to convince us that Elijah Wood could be a football hooligan. Who knows? All I can say is this footage was exactly the kind of carnage I want to see in a Punisher film. No Shakespeare-quoting sidekicks, no wacky neighbors, no fake fire hydrants. It's the Punisher, for crying out loud. I just want to see some motherfucking heads roll.
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looks like they've sold out the Punisher again, only in the opposite direction, and with the same poor execution. trying to cash in on the new hardcore superhero thing instead of the old family superhero thing.
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have destroyed this franchise.
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How many people complained about the godawful contemporary pop/rock shit that they put in the SPIDER-MAN films, and most recently in HELLBOY 2? Metal tunes in a PUNISHER movie are not that big a compromise. Besides, how many people bought the soundtrack for the Jane film? I don't begrudge Lionsgate trying to make their money back on something that will most likely under-perform anyway, regardless of its quality.
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Jul 25, 2008 4:30:18 PM CDT
She did the cinematic abortion that was green street
by judge dredds fresh undies
So even if she were given final cut I would still expect this to be a huge pile of ASS, that said the footage from comicon did look promising so its a shame if shes been booted of a film which might prove her to be a decent director.
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Please go back to fucking your mother in your rundown double-wide while dreaming of the day when you can put down all those black people that scare you so and shut the fuck up, you racist, stupid asshole.
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Is it wrong that I wanna fuck the ass off the director of the new movie?.. it just seems wrong for some reason.
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After all if they release a "studio cut" to theatres then they can "justifiably" release both the studio cut, an unrated cut, and then an original directors cut on shiny disc. You know, not that I'm cynical or anything. That is if Harry's "secret behind the scenes source" actually pans out for once, and isn't yet another case of someone yanking his chain. We'll see.M-O-O-N. That spells "Thirteen!"
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That's why this one will suck.
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the movie looked like it was going to suck anyway. They probably realized how shitty it was going to be. I wish they did the same thing to Mark Steven Johnson.
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The review of JJ's screenplay is a CLASSIC.
And, you know, after two decades of superman movie after superman movie failing to get made and nobody wanting to touch the material, we get a really good one. Far better than Superman 3 or 4.
And talkbackers hate it because they can't live with the director's sex life.
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video game than a movie?
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...or they just didn't know that the phrase is "bold faced lie."
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some of you yanks scare the shit out of me... Its quite obvious to every other citizen of the world that BA is the dude to drag you out of the 10 years of the Cheney empire FFS. Ignore the A-Team tune flowing through your head at the moment & just rock with some common sense.
Punisher on HBO or Showtime is the way to go. This trailer looks like it was cut by W3bzpinn3r which is Dick Cheneys pen name.
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The first Punisher was a laughable joke and the second was well intentioned but forgettable. It isn't like Frank Castle is that deep of a character. He's just a pissed asshole looking to settle a score. There's not a whole lot you can with something like that unless you're really clever. -
He actually does wear the skull, saw it on the "official" trailer. It's a little dingy, but it's there.
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whoever approved that rediculous fucking jigsaw face. ftw is that shit?! looks like a bad roger corman b-movie muppet, and not in a cool way. if lexi didn't make that call, then she should count her blessings she isn't associated with this epic fail anymore.
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As much as I hate any political discussion injections into my nerd fix, I have to wonder why you called that poster a racist. I read his long rant and saw nothing that indicated any kind of prejudice. Or do you call him that because he doesn't want Obama for president? If that's the case -- and I hope it isn't -- you're just as bad.
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So, I don't see hope for this film in any case.
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always such stellar writing here
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I'd buy it.
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liberal marxist, who bastardizes the oil companies who he won't allow to drill or refine domestically, who get less money per gallon of gas sold then the government gets. alternative fuels are GREAT, but we're not going to change our entire country in four years. we need OIL, because oil will keep the money within the US economy and not out to foreigners. Yada yada yada. Don't vote for the socialist plz.
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. . . I don't understand why ANY of what he says necessarily means a bad upcoming Punisher War Zone!
Did we all see the same trailer? Mob bosses/meetings, check. Punisher himself w/some nasty-ass hardware, check. Punisher standing his ground, EVEN HANGING FROM A DAMN CHANDELIER suggesting the same kind of creative fireworks to which Ellis and company treated us to in his many panels, check.
You see the cast? There's even a Microchip. Not faithful to the source material?
And Ray Stevenson -- Rome TV series or Rome in real life's own friggin' Punisher
And THE worst -- Punisher War Zone MUST be bad because someone's one their honeymoon. What?!
Ehy, it looks like we ain't getting Ellis's brilliant-beats-Steranko's versiono of-Nick Fury either, but, most of you are eating that Sam Jackson (will he PLEASE retire already!!!!) version up!
Think I'll skip any more "advance oohs and ahs, lookey me, I got early screenings-ness" of this film
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they could have picked or found something better without trying too hard.
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Because synth' offerings in "Gladiator" and hard-rock guitar in a bunch of barbarian movies makes sense. Yeah. Oi!!!
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Fuck them up their stupid asses.
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enjoy the tax write off. this movie will fail at the box office.
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and no, ennis wasnt big in giving frank ballet moves while he offed someone...he may have been creative, but it was pretty straight forward...and go through the comics again, he doesnt use alot of firepower...although this is not the point...ennis' punisher is his take on the american action movie and its absurdity...he also creates great supporting characters, which while alluded to in the first movie, werent used correctly, and seem to be totally lacking in this one...for ennis, frank is a vehicle to deal with other issues...he isnt the end all be all...but whatever, its done...lionsgate will kill the franchise, marvel will buy it back and try again
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"...because nothing says PUNISHER like raspy amps." As opposed to what? The gentle, melodic sounds of Enya and Kenny G???Quit whining, Harry. The Punisher NEEDS to be a brutal, violent character with a hard edge both visually AND musically, in order to live up to his very NAME, as well as the expectations of his fans... who pre-date Ennis' involvement by a couple of decades, at least!
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. . . this film'll be praised likeso: "it is simply a work that bespeaks a refined Golan/Globus flick that we never got, and that is what makes it brilliant."
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. . . not Ellis (island). Thanks, bacci40. See how increduloused I was? I wrote the guy's name wrong :).
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are fucking clownshoes!
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This sucks. However, I firmly believe that no Punisher movie will ever be good. The appeal of the Punisher is that it's like an action movie in comic book form. Once you put the character back into the movies, there's literally nothing special about him. He's just another spurned ex-cop/military out to shott bad guys.
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Heavy metal and guns. These guys thrive on originality.
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. . . cripes, if THAT motha' is filmed (cripes, the director can just take all six issues of Ennis's first "Fury" series and use as storyboard) . . . man, Fury saying, "like that clusterf*&k in the Balkans" and "this ain't Desert Storm -- no one gets that much free p*&$y in one lifetime" is the price of admission. They film that? I don't CARE who the hell plays Fury.
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Was that song written for the sole purpose of licensing it to movie studios for trailers?
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Horrible music... Dated already. How do you think this will look in a few years?
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to promote a WWE payperview, then movies jumped on the bandwagon. As for the Punisher movie, sure it looks violent, a lot more than the Jane one (and thank god no Travolta, he was the only real problem I had with that movie). Jigsaw looks lame as fuck. I dont know about how Lexi being out will be a good or bad thing, but releasing this in december shows Lionsgate dont give a shit about it.
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Directors from lashing out after the movie is released? What is the star pulls an L L Cool J, goes on Conan and tells people not to see the movie because it sucks?
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I think Between This and Captain America This has to be the Hard thing to adapt to truly capture the essence of the Punisher the movie has to be rated R. And Frank Castle is tormented but very Quiet. I can't ever see this property translating well to the big screen.
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...Really?
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No matter how they try to do it, they fuck it up. The only right way to make a Punisher movie is to make him controversial, bordering on outright disturbing. You're supposed to hate yourself for loving what he does. He's supposed to push the envelope to the absolute limits of what a half-decent human being could do, all in the name of Punishing those who hurt others. As far as the aesthetics, it should be as realistic as possible.
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I'm good with the real metal, the Nu metal however sucks harder then a two peso Tijuana hooker...Uh so I heard.
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It seems she's posted what could be a confirmation of sorts.
http://tinyurl.com/6x5mzn
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...and said Lexi Alexander was the worst director he'd ever worked for. The camera department allegedly ended up directing most of what he saw, while she huddled behind her monitor as the unfortunate actors flailed about helplessly...of course I wouldn't say this to her face - she'd kickbox my head off.
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It's funny, the same two people that recommended Green Street Hooligans top me are the same ones that recommended Boondock Saints. I haven't seen Green Street yet due to the fact that Boondock suck the fart out of a fresh roadkills ass, but the similar Boondock shot in the Punisher trailer has sounded the warning klaxons in my brain.
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The only bad thing about Spiderman was the god awful rock soundtrack. F#@$ing Nickelback?!? come on. A similar fate befell daredevil. Bryan Singer's X-Men avoided this mistake, probably because Singer had enough cache to nix the idea.
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Bad news.
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Jul 25, 2008 9:19:46 PM CDT
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by the marquis de side 3
she's kind of hot. I've seen pictures of her... she can do WHATEVER she wants to the Punisher film as far as I'm concerned... =0) FUCK YOU LIONSGATE!
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the biggest faggot to grace these boards in a long time. If someone finally acknowledges your stupid Stand reference will you kindly shut the fuck up with that? It's not clever, though you obviously think it is, and it gets less and less clever each time you do it.
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while you fucks are wasting your money on this shit, im gonna be reading the comic
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I know some up and coming Director. The best in the country working on there first films right out of film school and they have all expressed that they will never work for Lions Gate. All the very next Spielbergs and Bruckheimers who will be making films in the next year or two read these forums.
Lions Gate has just proven that they are a bunch of assholes by blocking off the Director. If they don't like what she is doing in Post production than compromise with her. But, taking her off the film and not having her promote the film is bullshit. She is the Director.
Also, Lexi Alexander is one hot piece of ass and she has a martial arts past. In other words, Lions Gate has got to be run by some fucking dumb asses since Lexi would be a great promotional person for this action film.
FUCK LIONS GATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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as everything from punisher is now scrubbed...better anyway...she needs to post more half naked pics....I WANT BOOBIES DAMNIT
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Marvel should move to either get the rights back for a movie version of Monn Knight or partner with the Canadian company to deliver a film version with the possibility of a film franchise. It would be win, win for everybody.PS: I hope you get that gig, you've got some wonderful ideas!!! Good luck Playhouse!!!
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Jul 25, 2008 11:57:29 PM CDT
So Harry doesn't like Metal music and that makes the movie lame?
by tallboy66
Come on, do you really want a sweeping orchestral score for a movie called "Punisher War Zone"? Fuck that shit, bring on the riffs. I knew Harry didn't know dick about movie music when he was cheering for Disney's "Happy Working Song" from Enchanted to beat out "Falling Slowly" from Once. Lame.
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Come on, this isn't a movie about the intense emotion that you can get out of the moving violin solo while the Punisher puts a cap in the brain of some goon. It's about a violent guy who kills other violent guys. Metal is a good thing.
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I do feel bad for her. I know what it is like to work on a project good or bad, were you work your skill and soul into it only to have it yanked out from you by stupid people. So Lexi if you read these forums, note that I am with ya even though I was not with your movie.
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although that would be way better than that shit. Can you name one great, or even very good, or even pretty good, or even somewhat memorable action movie that has shitty rock music like that on it? I'm not talking rock in general, I'm talking about the kind of bullshit on that trailer. Metal guitars on action movies is a cliche of crappy modern action of the DTV or WWE variety (and already parodied in TROPIC THUNDER, by the way). If you want to do it and date the movie then fine, but that doesn't mean you have to have some cheeseball like that singing over it! If this Punisher guy is as badass as you people keep claiming then he would've skinned those eyeliner wearing bitches before their song came within ten miles of his movie.
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I saw part of the director's cut with the finished score. It's obvious why Lionsgate did what they did. The film is flabby, slow and weird. And the music sounds like it's from 1989. Seriously, it can only go up from here.
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Harry and Vern.. you're whining about metal in a Punisher movie? I don't get it?
It's like your idea of "Metal" is from some puss MTV Nu-Metal band, or fucking Poison, and if that's the case, you guys really need to get out more.
Seems to me, REAL metal is a perfect for Punisher.
You know, bands like:
Motorhead... And not "Ace of Spades" either, and not the kind of crap they did for WWE...their newer stuff. Lemmy should write a Punisher theme song, since only Lemmy could do it right (if you doubt this, listen to the song 1916 and try not to cry... I dare you. Lemmy has composed some of the most gut wrenching songs ever written).
Slayer, Megadeth, Overkill, Exodus, ArchEnemy, Testament, Fight, U.D.O., Artillery,.. these bands would all be perfect for Punisher. Do you people even know what real metal sounds like anymore? Have your scrotal sacks failed you and you've all lost track your testes?
The ONLY problem with metal in movies is.. it's never done properly. No one with TASTE in the genre is ever hired to pick the tracks for the movie. Hell, even Heavy Metal had no discernible metal in it. Not that I think it'll be done right with this film, but I think if done right it would be fucking amazing. -
-that had a sweeping, John Williams style score that actually compliments the film? That everyone walks out of saying, "Oh, the action was good but it was the bass section contrasted with the violins that really made the scene breathe!" Saying that just because a movie has metal songs, which, God-fucking-forbid have been released in the past 5 years, in it makes the film lame? Did you see the end of Iron Man? The "I Am Iron Man" line from Tony Stark and cut to Ozzy's "Iron Man" was what people walked out of the theatre on! That part was amazing! Hell, fucking Transformers had The Smashing Pumpkins "Doomsday Clock" playing over an action sequence, and that made the scene better with hot chicks and robots blowing up and thick, chunky guitar and drum riffs. This is a Micheal Bay movie that was improved by some heavy music. Micheal Fucking Bay! "Oooooohh, it's going to date it!" the elistists do cry. Oh, how fucking horrid! Big deal, it's all about how you propel the scene through music. That's the main selling point by using rock/metal in an action scene. You can get that better with some good, heavy riffs. You really think that something about The Punisher, where the guy wears all black and shoots the everloving fuck out of bad guys in the face, is going to work better with a fucking oboe solo? Horseshit! Christ, the end of "The Devil's Rejects" uses the heavy part of "Freebird" when the family goes down in flames, and that's the big, ending moment. And it worked better in an action sequence. Compare it with the way that "Freebird" was used in "Elizabethtown", which the scene just sat there, and the conclusion of the song worked better with the chaos in "Rejects". The most memorable part of the Rambo ads was using Drowning Pool's "Bodies" to sell the action sequences. For fuck's sake, they use "The Ace of Spades" repeatedly in "Smokin Aces" and people remember it because it was involved in the action-sequences with the crazy twins. Marilyn Manson's "Rock Is Dead" pops up in The Matrix. Hell, the end of "The Matrix" has Neo flying off into the sky while Rage Against the Machine's "Wake Up" plays at the end, and that's a perfect song that befits the moment and the movie. Rage Against the Machine is also in Natural Born Killers and Trent Reznor wrote "Burn" which as an amazing specifically for that movie! Saying that using modern rock, or older metal bands, in a movie makes it automatically worse is a completely jaw-droppingly stupid thing to say and just proves that one doesn't know music and how it works in movies. The easy, kneejerk reaction is "this shit is modern, therefore it sucks, therefore the movie sucks". However, if people want to automatically believe that just because metal or heavy music used in a film automatically makes it shit, then, good for you. Go off and be narrow minded. I hope you're confortable all the way up there on your ivory tower, because nobody really gives a fuck down here. We'll just actually, you know, listen to real music that people listen to. Hope you dig that Howard Shore / Danny Elfman mash-up CD that's burning up iPods everywhere! Whooooo!
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...how many times would that "Bodies Hitting the Floor" song be reference in the ensuing talkback. And you guys did not disappoint. And I don't mean that sarcastically.
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...I'm going to go out on a limb here and wager that you either have a shaved head and gauged out ears, or you sport a mullet. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and wager you have a obscenely thorough collection of pleather sequined hotpants and a sloppily drawn and offcenter tatoo of Judy Garland graces your ass-neck. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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You think there's really nothing wrong with an off center ass-neck tattoo? I don't even know what that means, but even I know it's just wrong! Kudos on your enlightened sense of tolerance, though, I guess you really can't judge a clown by his face paint.
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Jul 26, 2008 2:51:50 AM CDT
Dear God, Won't Someone PLEASE Think Of The Adult-Children?!
by laserpants
In other words: who gives a flying fuck?
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Plus a NC-17 rating.
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The mind boggles how she got work after that
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Well Aliens, and Predator for two. Also I remember films like Last of the Mohicans, Batman and Superman mainly due to their 'sweeping John Williams-style scores'.
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I don't think you watched that trailer. You're comparing that corny dogshit to "Iron Man," a classic that's almost 40 years old (and a corny way to end that movie anyway)? And you're saying you DO want it to be like TRANSFORMERS? Well that's where we differ I guess.
You make a good point bringing up THE MATRIX and DEVIL'S REJECTS, they did a good job with the music in those. But go watch that PUNISHER trailer, please, and then come back here and tell me how it compares to the use of "Freebird" in DEVIL'S REJECTS. I'm not saying that it's impossible to put rock music in a good movie. I'm just saying that putting a collection of random crap on the soundtrack (such as the song in the trailer) is not a way to make a good movie. You can even narrow it down just to comic book movies to show that it's only the crappy ones that do that. Please see SPAWN, BATMAN AND ROBIN, DAREDEVIL, etc.
And no, I don't want a sweeping John Williams score either. That was one thing that could've been better in the Thomas Jane one, the composer kind of acted like he knew it was based on a comic book. -
Could a Charles Bronson movie survive the song from that Punisher trailer?
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would of made if it had the music from the PUNISHER trailer for the soundtrack. Looks like another REDBOX rental IMHO.
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Jul 26, 2008 3:42:16 AM CDT
Re:Could a Charles Bronson movie survive the song from that Puni
by mace tofu
Maybe that one where he found the penis pump under the sink? I think that music would work in that one ( 10 to Midnight? I think, could be wrong on the title )
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Awww, have I pissed poor little douchefu off with my schtick? My, whatever will I do now? I know, I'll keep right on going, because annoying fuckheads like you amuses me no end. Plus which, who made you the messageboard hitler that everyone else has to step inline with anyway? M-O-O-N. That spells smackfu is a whiny little bitch.
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they had an original orchestral composition for that one.
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Hard to believe it is even going to get a cinematic release from everything I'm hearing about it.
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Same Shit Different Assholes
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Jul 26, 2008 4:56:51 AM CDT
What's amusing is that the orchestral soundtrack for Dolph's Pun
by stalkeye
was much better than the 2004 version..shit everything was better than Jane's Movie.Oh and W3bzpinn3r..STFU!That being said, if they are gonna use metal music to promote PWZ, I would suggest Underground in America (Pantera) over the shit that they are using now.
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...but what they used isn't metal - it's mindless noise.
Ray Stevenson looks good though - he deserved more support than they conjured with this teaser. -
I was one of the extra's on Green Street and it was clear that Alexander did indeed leave most of the filming to her camera crew. It's also true that she wouldn't listen to advice from anyone, even English hooligans and her co-writer (who ended up being banned from set and all promotion of the movie) which is why the movie ended up as something of a joke. The only surprising thing about her being dumped from Punisher is that it Lionsgate so long.
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Except maybe for the stupid f-ing Angel? Anyway they (Lexi?) f-ed this property up big time. They opted for the LATE GEN Punisher (overwrought photo referenced art style)They should have opted for the old-school Mike Zeck penned Punisher. Shit was dope!
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Jul 26, 2008 9:37:40 AM CDT
FUCK LIONS GATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
MJ_WHU,
If she did detailed story boarding than of course she would leave filming to her camera crew. What matters if she was constantly giving Direction to the actors which I don't know...
She is the Director, the king, the emperor or the set. That is what the Director does. She doesn't have to take advice from anyone since it is called "Director's Perspective" that is show on screen.
I read her page before it went blank and she was being faithfull to the max comic book and from what I know at this point deserves all the fans support.
p.s. Also, she is one hot piece of ass. lol -
that is all
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And Batman & Robin had at least Underworld's "Moaner". But yes, it seems that only bad movies have these kind of Soundtracks.
Another examples: Lost in Space, with Death In Vegas, Apollo 440, Juno Reactor and even Fatboy Slim, and Tomb Raider, with U2, Moby (in old school techno mode), Outkast (in Drum 'n' Bass/Jungle mode) and Nine Inch Nails. The Daredevil Soundtrack was pretty lame, btw. -
Which is probably the exception to the rule, because this was the only good Blade movie. The Soundtrack for part 1 was exactly like the movie: Some great parts, but also many lame and annoying parts.
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Heres the deal, we don't know what the soundtrack, in the film, is going to be like. Of course they are going to market this to rageaholic teens because its a grindhouse-y gorefest (at least the trailer looks that way) and thus the trailer has some nu-metal bullshit. BUT, they always package soundtracks like that, and most of the time, you'll hear a snippet of any given song in the background for two seconds or something so they can justify it being on the cd (or download) whilst the vast majority of the soundtrack is instrumental stuff that bares no relation on the soundtrack they are trying to sell. In other words, just because this is in the trailer, it doesn't mean the whole soundtrack will be like that.
If anything, after watching the trailer, I think the soundtrack should be all hamfisted synth stuff like a John Carpenter soundtrack. And thats probably what most of it will be like. -
...and they play a song from The Ramones. Call me impressed.
*with "an episode of Scooby Doo", I mean "an episode of What's New Scooby Doo". They never used something like The Ramones in any of the old Doo shows. -
I think Blade is a better movie, but I like Blade II a lot, and it has a cooler soundtrack.
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Jul 26, 2008 10:42:54 AM CDT
But they stole the concept for the Blade 2 Soundtrack...
by derlanghaarige
...from the Spawn Soundtrack. In Blade were Hip Hop artists working together/getting remixed by techno artists and in Spawn it were Metal/rock artists who worked together/got remixed by techno artists. (My favourite is still Slayer & Atari Teenage Riot)
But seriously, I don't care. They should do this for The Punisher 2 Soundtrack. Seems like a good concept. I demand Plain White T's & Aphex Twin! (Just kidding about the T's. Not kidding about Aphex Twin.). -
That's who needs to do the sound track. Reign In Blood!!!
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They didn't last long, but they were fucking great. Alec Empire's new stuff kinda sucks -- sorta of a mix of Gary Neuman and a bad imitation of Iggy Pop. No thanks.
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THATS who should do the soundtrack for this.
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But 'Grinch 2000' from Busta Rhymes and Jim Carrey put a huge smile on my face.
I think there were no metal songs in The Grinch. And it wasn't an action movie, so it was kinda off topic.
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I love it when dumbfucks try to show how smart they are.
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in fact, the only element of the movie you could say that about. For a good laugh check out Wesley Snipes's commentary during the scene where him and the vampires are suiting up to go kill monsters. He says that the song is wack and that it makes him want to say "no, you guys go ahead without me."
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makes me wanna vote for him.
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coz its tuff!!!one1!!1!! the bad man touched you, but you iz tuff naow!!
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It's all very well talking about "directors perspective" but when you're making a movie about a subject you (she) clearly knew little or nothing about and you have a location full of people who are heavily involved with that subject, then anyone who doesn't listen to advice on even the simplist things, even when offered by the paid consultant, is either a fool or arrogant beyond belief.
Proof of that is there for all to see on the Green Street DVD. -
and another thing, if you guys think Lexi is hot, you should get yourself over to East London and see some proper women. She is a pig.
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Read 'The Slavers' and then write the same post again you cunt.
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or...WELCOME BACK FRANK. The Fight Starts Here!! In which Marvel partners with Edko Films and has The Punisher travel to Shanghai for a Chinese co-production, co-directed by Jonnie To and John Woo! Edko will kick MARVEL off the movie, and Johnie To and Woo will have creative differences, and the film will premiere Direct-to-TV in China, with heavy edits of course. (And after that fuck-up, I'm sure Marvel will consider partnering with the top Bollywood producers for "PUNISHER: DANCE 'TIL DAWN") !!!!
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Jul 26, 2008 3:27:10 PM CDT
No, The Catholic Church Is For Boys Who Are Being Molested
by laserpants
And will grow up to be molestors. Btw, Merzbow and Fantomas aren't death metal. One is a japanese noise band and the other is an experimental outjazz metal band. Hurry! Do try and keep up!
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Oh well, I guess that means we can't like it either? Duh.
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I wonder if you aren't a death metal lover... pigfuck are the original japanese noise band.. ben lee talked about getting one of their cds once years ago. dolph lundgren and barry otto [miranda otto from lotr 's dad or uncle] with lois gosset!
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This is gonna suck worse than a Bayified verison of THE LITTLE MERMAID! Though I would think seeing 'splosions and flames on the Little Mermaid might get my attention more that this pile of wasted film.
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I like some of the sounds and textures of death metal, but the only death metal cd I own is the first Napalm Death. I'm anti-religion because religion is fucking stupid; brainwashing for the masses of assess who cling to the illusions and will do anything -- including condoning the rape children -- to preserve that illusion.
Oh, and Merzbow started making noise music in 1979. Never heard of Pigfuck. I seriously doubt they predate Merzbow, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merzbow
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Jul 26, 2008 5:14:21 PM CDT
LIONS GATE CAN STILL KISS MY ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by illuminate
MJ_WHU,
With all do respect what you said makes no sense what so ever. From what she showed on her web page she knows exactly what the Punisher comic is about and she is also film school trained. From all the interviews that Cameron and Spielberg have done says that a Director doesn't have to listen to anyone PERIOD.
I have not seen Green Street Hooligans so, I can't comment on that...
I am sorry that your experience as an extra sucked but there is no need to start dissing Lexi just because she is was the Director. The third assistant director or Producers are to blame for that one.
Also, Lexi is one hot piece of ass. I have dated models and etc. that guys are always drooling and I can tell you that I would let Lexi ride my cock any day of the week. Her new husband is a lucky man. -
She's okay, average, doable, but hot? Nah.
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She's okay, like a late night pickup on a Wednesday attractive. Then again my standards are low, but I would throw a hump in her that's for sure.
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Absolutely terrible.
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Hello, edit function?
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Maybe not 'Hollywood hot' (like the women usually drooled over around here, for example Carla Gugino who seems to be the drool-worthy dame of the day on the Witch Mountain talkback) or 'Supermodel hot' (in my book most of these skinny curveless models are not hot at all), but she is definitely 'real world hot' and I would eat her all night if given the chance.
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WhinyNegativeBitch, oh please, you are so full of shit. I have dated the hot blonde chearleader that ignored your ass in high school. I have dated women from hot sorority chicks to blonde models who would make you blow your cumm in your pants just by looking at them ten feet away then you lower your head shy up and run to the corner like the little bitch you are. It gets old fucking hot chicks. Believe it or not a lot of stereo types are true when it comes to hot women since they can act like spoiled bratts because losers like you always kiss there ass. But, guess what they always end up fucking bad asses like me. lol
Don't get me wrong looks still count and she has got them. But, Lexi is hot not just because of her looks but because she has brains. Once you make a smart hot chick come all over your cock then you will know what I am talking about.
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Also,
As I said Lexi Alexander's husband is a lucky man and I hope they both get off from the "honey-moon" soon so they can work on post-production.
Where the fuck is that bitch Gale Anne Hurd in all this. James Cameron had pissed off plenty of studio heads in the past and Gale Anne Hurd always had his back. Why is she not having Lexi's back. Is it because Lexi doesn't have a dick for Gale to suck? -
and claims to fuck all these allegedly "hot chicks" on an anonymous message board. So once you stop molesting goats we will start believing you okay, Mary?
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The comic con footage I saw only had crappy nu-metal radio rock bullshit. Let's just be clear on this and not call that sorry exuse for hottopic musak metal. I agree the soundtrack will suck and the movie seems doomed yet again, but a real metal soundtrack would really kickass for punisher. It truely fits the agression that punisher represents.
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Please excuse me if this offends you, but your duel posts lead to me suspect that you are a morbidly obese teenage virgin who chronically masturbates to free internet porn clips pretty much constantly, and has never even come close to kissing a girl, let alone "made" one "come all over (your) cock." Of course, I may be wrong, but something tells me I'm right. I'm right aren't I?
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That trailer looked sweet. That music rocked. Not everything is going to be the way you want it to be Harry. Punisher with cool moded weapons killing mofo's that stole his lunch money. That's all any of us that actually like Punisher want to see. So what if you use Heavy metal to market a film. I don't know about the release date.
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imagine ryan renolds saying "you sound like you're into [raised eyebrow] death metal"
after you are done wanting to punch me for acting like ryan renolds, please note I'm joking, as is my way - anyway, pigfuck is a term from the eighties, it seems, so a japanoise band taking that name would be only 2 1/2 decades ago.
http://tinyurl.com/5gg4yx my humour will be appreciated when I'm older. just like that tony clifton dude. -
and I wouldn't TOSS lexi out of bed. but anyway, one dolph to punish us all, and in the darkness, bind them.
one dolph drives in the sewers, looking for a drunk, and finds him. -
The reason she fucked up on Green Street had everything to do with the fact that she was trying to make a movie about a culture of which she knew nothing. In such a situation, even the great directors would surely consult with experts during pre-prod and filming to make sure that what they were filming was accurate and they would take on board comments made about things that were clearly wrong to those who know. She didn't seem to do anything like that which is why the movie turned out a big mess. That's not the mark of a good director. Especially one who looks like an effeminate man.
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The reason she fucked up on Green Street had everything to do with the fact that she was trying to make a movie about a culture of which she knew nothing. In such a situation, even the great directors would surely consult with experts during pre-prod and filming to make sure that what they were filming was accurate and they would take on board comments made about things that were clearly wrong to those who know. She didn't seem to do anything like that which is why the movie turned out a big mess. That's not the mark of a good director. Especially one who looks like an effeminate man.
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Jul 27, 2008 2:18:14 AM CDT
Sadly everything that was feared about this flick is coming to p
by jaysmack
We called it shit the second it was announced that a woman would be directing. And a bad situation got worse when a guy whose only qualification is that he's a big goof got cast for the lead. No script, no direction and a studio with no clue what it's doing. The only people who are surpised by any of this are the people who were too dumb to see it coming.
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especially since the dumbshit first one broke box office records. they should bring Travolta back on and shoot it in florida again. awesome!
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Jul 27, 2008 6:53:48 PM CDT
I love metal but this sucks! Remember the score from the video g
by spacker dave
That Punisher video game from a couple of years ago had the best horn driven score I have heard in a long time. Why can't they just port that over to this movie? On a side note, The Crow had the best of both worlds soundtrack with a beautiful score and a great lot of band tracks. Can anyone say "compromise"?
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Okay, this is a great opportunity – hottish director plus metal – but the track record is pretty lame. Dolph and Thomas Jane lacked quite a bit. Neither were brutal or cold enough.
The Punisher has to be bad, and bad like the motherfucker removal device the books get perfect. A big tough bastard who thinks Patton was a liberal.
This could be great with the right man, the kind of actor who can make you eyeball the floor. I don’t know anything about Ray Stevenson – can he do that?
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JaySmack you are a FUCKING RACIST.
you have a problem about women directing action movies? THEN FUCK YOU,i say.
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Why is he a racist? Sexist maybe but there's nothing wrong with that.
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Green Street Hooligans was amazing. I reminded of Fight Club and Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. I think if Lexi was able to use her cut us real Punisher fans would finally get a REAL PUNISHER MOVIE.
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