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The Lord Of The Rings Official Site exists!
Yeah.... I know.... How the hell could I be this late with this scoop? Quite frankly, it's because I haven't been next to a computer for about 32 hours, and... well this is what happens when I am away from my computer for that long.
Click here to visit the site you'll be spending the next two years checking on!
This is some quite wonderful work friends. I've been so pleased with everything I've seen on this film and all I can tell you is... You haven't seen anything yet. We haven't seen his orcs, his goblins, his Balrog and Gollum. We haven't seen a glimpse of MASSIVE the software that'll change the SCOPE of film battles. The work you saw in THE PHANTOM MENACE isn't anywhere near, if the stories I'm hearing are true. We haven't seen the costumes or the makeup. But you know what? Those 9 pieces of pre-production art is mighty hot looking eh? I still haven't read the three scripts for this one yet, but I do know people that have... And the feeling I get from talking to them is awe and fear. Awe at how serious Peter and company were in their adaptation... and fear in that, they are afraid of how good this movie can be.
I believe in this project. I believe completely in it. And until something like Wesley Crusher beams onto the set and starts trying to develop special weapons to help the Hobbits in their quest, happens... well, I'm a believer. I want a great fantasy film. It's time for one. And I'm sorry for being distracted for the better part of a 24 hour period.
This is some quite wonderful work friends. I've been so pleased with everything I've seen on this film and all I can tell you is... You haven't seen anything yet. We haven't seen his orcs, his goblins, his Balrog and Gollum. We haven't seen a glimpse of MASSIVE the software that'll change the SCOPE of film battles. The work you saw in THE PHANTOM MENACE isn't anywhere near, if the stories I'm hearing are true. We haven't seen the costumes or the makeup. But you know what? Those 9 pieces of pre-production art is mighty hot looking eh? I still haven't read the three scripts for this one yet, but I do know people that have... And the feeling I get from talking to them is awe and fear. Awe at how serious Peter and company were in their adaptation... and fear in that, they are afraid of how good this movie can be.
I believe in this project. I believe completely in it. And until something like Wesley Crusher beams onto the set and starts trying to develop special weapons to help the Hobbits in their quest, happens... well, I'm a believer. I want a great fantasy film. It's time for one. And I'm sorry for being distracted for the better part of a 24 hour period.
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Isn't lord of the rings a John Holmes flick?
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Harry, what the hell! While you're at it, why don't you put up a link to Yahoo and Netcenter and Excite. Like your LOTR, they have no apparent relation to the movie, but they download a hellava lot faster. I was expecting images and stuff.
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Beosiman mentioned the official movie site and I visited it yesterday. If you go there, be sure to check out the 'Creation' link and choose all of the nine pictures, and then click on them to open the separate windows, or they'll look no more convincing than if I'd drawn them on a brown paper bag. When you finally see some of the visual concepts for this movie, I hope you'll feel a little (or large) tingle of excitement. I know I have.
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You know, since I read the hobbit waay back in 4th grade, I've been hooked. I saw all the so-so animations and I dug them as well. HOWEVER, this here production has me all hot and bothered! I mean, I can feel a lot of heart and soul pumping into this production and I pray to dear God that Jackson makes us all proud! (And I'm sure he will!) All I can say is that I can't wait for it to come out AAAAAHHHHHH! :)
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Btw... dig around the official site for links because the concept art is fantastic... I remember hours playing the Middle Earth: The Wizards card game and how the card art alone got me going! The artwork provided at the site sure is awesome! I sure would like to see that Balrog tho'... but I guess I can wait! (Sorta) hehehe
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The concept art on that site definately looks pretty damn cool. It's one hell of a tall order to for this film to live up to the book (and the expectations - esp as every step will be under the microscope), but here's hoping. These initial images are a very good sign....
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...except its name! And the dork who made that intro graphic should be shot in the head right now, because it doesn't have anything to do with Tolkien. Where in Tolkien's books do we see small pet dragons or little fairies with shiny wings? *puke*
This is just another sucky web index. Perhaps Harry should double-check his "inside scoops".
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The site is www.thelordoftherings.net/main.html. There you will see 9 beautiful pieces of production art, Jacksons comments, and little essay about the movie. All of it related. I don't know what site you guys are going to...
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My thoughts exactly. What site are these guy's going to - Pet Dragons? Gauzy winged Faries? That ain't what I see when I click on the link that Harry provided.
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I can take that back. The problem is that the site that was originally listed was "http://www.lordoftherings.COM" (.com, not .net), which is a crappy index site. The URL was obviously corrected while I was typing my earlier posting. The site looks alright (though the designer was a dork, I get a bunch of error messages with some browser versions), but the artwork is... hmm... how do I put it... totally boring? I guess that's it, yes. Any other Tolkien art that was put out by John Howe et al in the last years in calendars, etc., was better than that. But I guess we can't expect much more for the next few months. At least it's a good sign that the project is actually making some progress.
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Portal? Nothing to do with the movie? Excuse me, I got no sleep last night because I was up converting the 9 production concepts on the site to different collages and desktop pictures. Check it, the internet is this neat little *interactive* thing. Can you say that boys and girls? *Interactive.* Sheesh! -CG
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Those pics are just way too cool for preview art. I'm nearly wetting myself wondering what the final films gonna look like ...
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"...from what I'm hearing..."
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Shut up, YOYO. Give WETA a chance. How do you know what they're capable of with this budget? What films have you seen them do so far, and what was the cost? Stop licking ILM arse!
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did someone say toast?
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Jun 11, 1999 7:08:00 AM CDT
Tired of the "voices of reason" who always tell us to calm down
by captainberryman
Normally I don't get so ruffled by all those folks who try to be the self appointed voices of reason on this sight...Sure it sticks in my craw when I look through the subjects and see "Now let's all be calm, people" or "Let's try sanity, folks." You people go and stick up your arse. Let us fanboys revel in the hedonisitic movie of a Tolkein movie that has all the prospects of being done right. If you wanna be some lousy voice of reason then go work for a suicide hotline or do some other lame voice of reason social work, and let us geeks dance in pagan glory. NOW..that being said, I saw those images yesterday and that site kicks ass. This is some of the best, nail on the head conceptual art I've ever seen. I was so blown away yesterday by what I saw that all I could do was stare for hours (and make several wallpaper bitmaps for my own personal revelry.) Peter Jackson is dead on and this movie is going to kick ass. And AMEN that Keanu Reeves won't be anywhere near the set. I've been reading alot lately on alot of Tolkein movie stes that David Bowie is rumored to be playing Elrond. This is FANTASTIC. If there are two roles Bowie can nail down it's elves or vampires. These films will rock your lame ass, so sit back and enjoy the ride. End Transmission.
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A couple of items.
Some are unimpressed with the pics. You have to click on the pics to get the full color image. If anyone says the full color image is less than has been in the calendars then they're insane.
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http://www.lordoftherings.net
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They have "Gandalf" spelled wrong in photo four. Unless there's some obscure tome I'm unaware of that has his name spelled "gandolf"...I assume nothing with the amount of stuff written.
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I was more than a bit skeptical of this project - after all, these books are considered 'unfilmable' for good reason. After seeing movies like What Dreams May Come, Prince Of Egypt, and yes, Phantom Menace, I think that we might finally have the technology to bring LOTR to life. My skepticism lessened when I read the famous 20 questions lists (when is the next one, btw?). After seeng those images on the web site, I am actually daring to hope that this movie might be able to bring the text to life. Those 9 images still have the 'soul' of the books. If they can find someone with the musical talent to bring those books to life in song this movie could do something wonderful for the film industry. Might I humbly suggest David Arkenstone for the music? The man practically lives on fantasy - www.arkensounds.com for those interested. After what I've seen so far, I think I can trust that Peter will pick an appropriate musical talent. I just hope that he looks at a lot of musical artists before making his choice so that we get the best music possible.
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Calm down, let's relax a little, it's only a movie, let's be reasonable about this, I think you are off topic, this is about LOTR not David Bowie, we haven't seen anything but nine pictures yet, etc, etc, etc....(have I missed anything you really hate, cuz I'd hate to have not pissed you off this morning!)
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No, you pretty much nailed most of the phrases on the head. I liked seeing them all together like that though so people what I mean. But I'm not easily riled. I'm actually very calm and collected, but with Lord of the Rings I become a drooling fanboy geek. If you think of anymore of those "voice of reason" topics that some of the "upper echelon" feel they must post, let me know. End Transmission.
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for being under the influence of and posession of hashish. http://www.msnbc.com/news/279049.asp
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I was looking for some hidden links in the source, when I found something funny:
Can anyone explain to me why anyone would use angry monkey as a meta-tag?
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I've just finished reading Hobbit/LOTR for the ninth time. It's something I do every couple of years and is my main geek odsession. Abyway, the art on the official site looks terrific. My fantasy for this movie is that PJ keeps all the little sub-plots (Sam talking about his father, Faramir and Eowyn, etc) since they add so much to the story. Also, please please please do not mess up Gollum. In the animated version he was made to look like a large frog. In fact (well fantasy really), he is a very old hobbit. He just happens to act like a frog or a spider. Please get Gollum right. He is really the most interesting character in the book. Also, in Tolkien's other books, we find out that Gandalf and the Balrog are actually quasi-angels (Gandalf=Good/Balrog=Evil). Hopefully, their fight is appropriately dramatic/cosmological. Last comment, David Bowie would be the perfect Elrond. I would rather have a cast of unknowns, but this is one star that would actually fit the character.
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Just came back after two hours of drooling over the artwork at "thelordoftherings.net". I liked most of the pictures but as someone pointed out the picture of Gollum sucked. They say that they underlit the picture to hide their design of Gollum, but now you can
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I just had something odd happen to me. I just let out a squeal like a baby girl. Shit. Anyway, it was for good reason because I just saw the Lord of the Rings Trilogy initial pre-production art and nearly soiled my panties. I looks uncannily like the images in my imagination when I'm reading the book, but from a different camera angle. Freaky-fucking-deaky, huh? You know, I'm right in the middle of the darn book at the moment, so I am in the unique position of not knowing how the whole thing ends. I haven't got a clue! Frodo could stop the errand and open a KFC in Mordor, with Gollum's rival Burger King across the street for all I know. But I mustn't mock, it's too cool for that really. Just the fact that I give a shit about the characters counts a hell of a lot. I really feel sorry for Gollum, you know? He's just got a schizophrenic thing going on, and a speech impediment. He just wants his precious back. There was a crazy woman on the bus the other day, just going nuts talking to herself at full volume about how her nipples hurt, and no-one gives a fuck, and how they are always poking their noses in. Then she poured orange juice all over herself, (I got off at the next stop) but it reminded me of Gollum. If he could have been checked in to a clinic right after he had he precious stolen, he could've worked on anger management and lose his phobia of the yellow face. Got a balanced diet, instead of just fish, could been OK, could got back into society. I guess they didn't have rehab back then, though. Oh yeah, and Tom Bombadil can go fuck himself.
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What the crivens? Angry monkey? (!) My guess is it's the name of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings production company, or something like that.
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So what do we say about this rumour about Izabella in the movie ? If it actually is LotR that she
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I love fantasy. I've read a ton of books, from Terry Brooks' Shannara series to Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time.
But, amazingly enough, I've never read the original Master's work. In high school, years ago, I attempted The Hobbit, but just couldn't get into it, and I always put off reading the series. I did see the Return of the King animated movie when I was little, but other than the "Where There's A Whip" and the "Frodo of the Nine Fingers" songs, I remember absolutely nothing of it.
The upcoming movie has brought a bit of a dilemma to me:
Should I go read the books now, or should I wait until after I have seen the movies? If I read the books now, I will have certain expectations and could be seriously let down. If I see the movies first, though, there's a decent chance that many of the subtleties will be totally lost on me.
Any thoughts?
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who is izabella scorupco?
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When I first heard that someone was going to make a LOTR-movie I got veeeery exited. Later I got veeeeery scared. Can this really be done in a decent way? After seeing the production art I am quite confident. Some sceneries don't look the way I've imagined them after reading the books. BUT they FEEL like LOTR for sure!!! I'm not overhyping this movie but this looks promising indeed. Yes Harry, it's time for a decent fantasy movie!
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Just FYI...some of you were asking...Angry Monkey is the web design firm that does work for New Line Cinema.
Those paintings look stunning. I can't wait to see the film.
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You would recognize her from Goldeneye where she played Natalya Simonova.
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Sorry Galaphine, I meant Taliesin.
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Yes! Read the damn books first! Read them slowly and tenderly and lovingly. Be amazed at the detail, the lyricism, and development. As you go through them, read them quicker, until you just can't put the third one down. Revel in reading them. Then read them again. Then read the Silmarillion. Then read the Hobbit, for background and whatnot to see just how amazing the LOTR is as a FRIKIN' SEQUEL! Then read them all again. Then read everything about Tolkien's mythology (namely christopher's manuscript volumes). Then read them all over. Then meet someone and read the books to her/him and make that person fall in love with you!!!!!!!!! Because that's exactly what I did! (Phew!) Second point, yeah it annoyed me too when I saw "Gandolf." (I'm a proofreader.) And yes, it was a relatively common typo in some of the earlier versions (my old copy has it like three or four times). But it was definitely a typo, not a variant spelling. New versions have corrected most of the typos. Third point, Angry Monkey makes much sense to me. Think of it, if you were in the CGI business, wouldn't you be insanely *angry* and insulted at that stupid hairless *monkey* in Lost in Space? (That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.) BTW, I'm kind of excited about this movie... just in case anyone is interested. ;-) -CG
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By the Power of the Palantir, these images are so freakin' gorgeous! This stuff is designed to whet our appetites for grander things to come... and it gloriously succeeds! I agree with all you other Tolkien fans that Peter Jackson is really onto something here! I was let down by "The Frighteners," and was greatly concerned that LOTR in Peter Jackson's hands would suffer. BOY, am I glad to shed that useless anxiety! I'm thrilled with the Q & A sessions he did twice (Mr. Jackson even answered MY question! Cool!) His dedication and fidelity to Tolkien's masterwork is beyond reproach. The hype begins . We are standing on the threshhold of a New World of Uber-Geekness surrounding these 3 films. I will gladly be the first one to get in line for my tickets TODAY, even though Fellowship of the Ring won't open until 2001. Elbereth! Oh, P.S., you should READ THE BOOKS first, and bask in their full glory. Cliff
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Well, since I've been studying Tolkien's world all of my life, it so happens I can read the Dwarf runes that encricle the main logo on New Line's site. The translation: "One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them. One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them." Nice touch.
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Why are people so worried about the spelling of Gandalf. First of all, its obviously a typo. Second, movies use images, not words and no one will be saying every time they see Gandalf on the screen, "Gee this movie is really awesome, but it totally ruined it for me that they spelled Gandalf with an "o" rather than an "a" in the credits." I heard the rumor about Izabella Scorpuco (sp?) as well but I think she is probably up for Arwen from her comments. Its true that she said the role is very physical but if you've been following the news on this movie for the past 9 months or so you would know that they are expanding the role of Arwen and making her a much more physical character. That in and of itself doesn't mean she's going to be Arwen, but she also said that her character is very strange looking which I would take to mean she is playing an elf rather than a human woman. I never thought of her for the role of Arwen before, but she is stunningly beautiful and I think she would be perfect for the role. If you would like to see a picture of her, go to the One Ring Net and they've got the interview and a picture.
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The one thing that annoys me about having to make this into a two hourish movie is that Tom Bombadil is likely to get cut. People always seem to write him off. I don't get it. TB and the Old Forest and Old Man Willow are essential to the book. Do any of you fangeeks who like the books but hate Tommy Boy-mbadil really think that Tolkien just put him in there "because." The whole sheebang between the gate and the road is crucial to the Hobbit's introduction to a wider, stranger, and more dangerous world than they are used to in the Shire. It's not even that dangerous, and they nearly bite it! If they had stayed on the Road, the Riders surely would have come across them, and they wouldn't have stood a chance. They didn't even stand a chance after a bit more education AND having strider with them. Bombadil is also just a cool as character - inexplicable, just like his songs and rhyming. He simply is. Oldest and Fatherless. Iarwain Ben-adar. He's like nothing the hobbits have ever seen before. And the ring has no power over him! I've always thought that was crucial to have in the background, giving hope to the hobbits that their mission isn't impossible, that there are powers greater than Sauron and the ring. The power is subtle and hidden, but real. Plus, even moviewise, the movie needs one of these very strange characters to make everyone see how strange the world of Tolkien is. The others have Treebeard and Gollum and Ghan-Buri-Ghan and whatnot. Hmmm, well the Fellowship does have Moria and Lorien. So that might make up for it. But still, the Old Forest is one of those essential *Places.* And the irony of it being right next to the Shire is intentional and necessary to the books, and I think it should also be an integral part of the film. And finally, just think of the toys. Whose Lord of the Rings action figure collection would be complete without Tom Bombadil? Bombadil rocks! Would you all be happier if Bombadil drank lots of beer, called Goldberry a bitch, had a cigar in the corner of his mouth and said "Arrrgh!" a lot? Then would you be so quick to say he sucks? But then again, if he were that way, that wouldn't be very fantastical and strange would it? More like local pub crap you see everyday. This is Tolkien, people! (And by the way, don't believe the crap books out there that say he was a Maia like Gandalf or whatever. The people who peddle those shite books are the same people who want everything to be categorized and neat and all, so they could like make a RPG of it or whatever. These people would be perfectly happy if Tolkien were to have published a whole list of Gandalf's spells and how much hitpoint damage they did! Bombadil is a forest dweller. A powerful entity, sure. An immortal one too. But it's simply too fucking incredible that these people go "hmm, Bombadil isn't a mortal or elf, so he must be a spirit, and since he's not one of the 14 Valar, so he must be a Maia." These people don't get it. Tolkien thought of his world as a place of such wonder and breadth that he even populates the world with creatures unknown to Gandalf and Sauron, creatures that are "older" than they are (who were there at the beginning of the world). This stuff isn't meant to be able to be all encyclopediaed up and make perfect scientific sense. Sorry for the rant, but I want these issues cleared up now.) -CG
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Firstly, to Galaphine: try not to get mixed up with this, because "The Lord of the Rings" IS the books! That's how they were created and so far as Tolkien knew, would ALWAYS be. So you should read them first, and then again and again, every six months or so (that's my tactic, any way). The movie is one director's interpretation and not Tolkien trying for a second time. Secondly, how do you pronounce Gandalf in America? I heard on an episode of "Friends" that Chandler (at least) pronounced it as though it was spelt with an 'o' (as in Gandolf). In Britain his name is pronounced Gand-Alf (as in, that furry and friendly but very dated puppet-alien). I'm left to wonder what the pronunciation will be in the movies.
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Another spelling thing... isn't anybody the least perturbed about the caption belonging to the second pic? "A romantic shot depicting Aragorn and Arwen embracing in the Elvish haven of Rivendell." Okay, I'm probably just paranoid, but, aside from "proper" english, why wasn't it spelled "Elven"? I think I am paranoid.
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I agree to the most extent with Creamy Goodness about old Tom Bombadil (for my pennies worth into this casting business, I'd recommend Tim Curry, but he won't get it because he very rarely gets given good parts). Unfortunately, to fit into three movies somethings must be left out (at least of big screen showing). Tom Bombadil is probably the least essential element of the "Fellowship. . ." and my vote is that he disappears as opposed to something like the Long Expected Party.
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Americans usually pronounce it slightly different: "Gan-Dalf," which is wrong as far as Tolkien was concerned, but not too terrible. Chandler is a dork, and he has some kind of accent (I don't know where from). People from the Deep South would mostly say "Gan-Dailf" (second a long). And as to Tom Bombadil again, I don't think it would take more than 5 or 6 minutes (maybe 10) to do it all. And that would allow PJ to do a better (15 or so) minute version for the DVD special release. Just my thoughts. I know he'll probably get cut. I guess it'll just be something us fangeeks keep for ourselves. -CG
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Jun 11, 1999 11:13:50 AM CDT
To the Captain (What do you do with a drunken Captain, put him i
by quiscustodiet
Here ya go Cap'n: It's only a fantasy book, it's not like it's "real" literature, who cares who they cast as long as it's not (insert name here)...,just because you're a fan of the book doesn't mean you know everything about LotR, and the classic Talk Back response, you're all a bunch of fucking idiots who don't know as much as I do because I said so, fucking losers, bite me, I know everything and you're a bunch of fags!
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i don't know if i'd read them every six months, but i do recommend reading first the hobbitt, then the trilogy, then the silmarillion. if you can't get into it, force yourself. the silmarillion is very important if you want to have questions answered... and believe me, after you read the trilogy, you will have questions. As for the art, well i wasn't blown away by the 9 pics within, but on the home page there's this pic of... i don't know, i guess it's a ringwraith... well, my faith is resting on that pic. it's beautiful. it expands the images in my imagination from the books instead of disappionting them.
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it wasn't a wraith that blew me away. now that i clicked on the art i can see it in color. the thing that had me blown, baby, blown, was a biiiig stature of a king on the edge of the river.
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t'wasn't a wraith... t'was a rather biggish statue.
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Well, I must admit that I always have pronounced Gandalf like Chandler, but with my second reading of LOTR, I noticed a nifty little pronunciation section in Appendix E. If you notice, it reads "F represents f, except at the end of words, where it is used to represent the sound of v as in English of: Nindalf, Fladrif." So, I know pronounce it Gandalv. The a is a little more difficult, but he does say that it should be like a in machine. I will be interested to see just how true PJ is to Tolkien's pronunciation guide. Having a background in linguistics, this kind of thing interests me and I think it lends authenticity to Tolkien's world. As for the pre-production pics, all I can say is that if this is just pre-production, this movie will rock. I was kind of surprised to see the pic of them on the slopes of Caradhras (pronounced karathras, with the th being fricative like in the). I thought they might choose to leave out that part. I also think the pic of Helm's Deep is exactly as I envisioned it. I just finished rereading that part, and it's spot on the money. The Gates of Argonath are extremely well done, although after reviewing the description in the book, it says that the 2 kings are holding axes and it looks like these guys are holding swords. Still, very awe-inspiring, nonetheless. All in all, I was in 7th heaven last night viewing these pics, and as long as the acting is well done, I don't see how this movie can fail. It already has the great story, the pre-production art looks very faithful to the story, and I think digitally there really aren't any limits to recreating this fantastical world. Good luck, PJ! I just selfishly wish I could have a small battle scene in either Helm's Deep or the Final Battle. I can't wait another 2 years for this!!
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Jun 11, 1999 11:50:55 AM CDT
To Dread Pirate Bob ( and the bird that mocks me and shits on hi
by captainberryman
Nail on the head. MAN now I feel it...thousands of talkback scans...thousands of those little comments...it's about to make me crack. All the "Everyone relax"...and if I see "people" written in a subject again I'll go apeshit. I will freak the hell out. I wasn't worked up before but by God I am now. Papa has a Mean On. End Transmission.
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To creamy goodness, thanks. And thanks again to Elendril, though I want to ask, in which language of LotR is F pronounced V (at word endings). Remember "Gandalf" is the wizard's "common name", known to the likes of hobbits. His Elvish name (and those influenced by them) is Mithrandir. I'm not sure whether or not the f-thing applies to the word Gandalf. Cheers.
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To creamy goodness, thanks. And thanks again to Elendril, though I want to ask, in which language of LotR is F pronounced V (at word endings). Remember "Gandalf" is the wizard's "common name", known to the likes of hobbits. His Elvish name (and those influenced by them) is Mithrandir. Are you sure whether or not the f-thing applies to the word Gandalf?
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Sorry to be confrontational, I just thought I'd point out that the "F=V at the end" rule only applies to elven words. "Gandalf" is Mannish of an older sort than Westron, like the Rohirrim's language. (Both are in fact Old English, and Gandalf means simply Elf of the Wand.) So you should actually pronounce it as Celt does: "Gand-Alf" (I think that was in the appendix too, but it may have been in another Tolkien thing somewhere). Second, since being a true Tolkien fan almost qualifies you to be a linguist, I caught your little faux pas. You tried to be a Mr. Smarty Pants and use the big "f" word (Fricative). What you meant, of course, was that the th sound was not "fricative" but "soft" (but that doesn't sound nearly as impressive, does it? ;) ). Actually, both the soft th ("the") and the hard th ("thin") are fricatives, along with f,v,s,sh,zh, and I think one or two more. So anyway, remember "Gand-Alf" (they actually pronounced it correctly in the Bakshi film). But thanks for reminding me of the "f=v at the end of a word" in elven pronunciation thing. I had forgotten it. (I guess it's time to go through the appendices again... I haven't done that in a while.) -CG
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I'm sorry if this message (or one like it) appears more than once, but I've tried to post it several times and it hasn't shown up. Thanks for the pronunciation info. Though Elendril: which language does the F = V thing actually happen? Don't forget that Gandalf is called that only by the likes of Hobbits. He is mostly known as Mithrandir.
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thank ye bombur, now i know who she is. as for pronouncing gandalf, everyone ive ever heard says it just like chandler (BING!) too. if you want to really get confused by pronounciation talk to people about robert jordans series. youll get each person with their own way for everything.
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wierd...
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There is an online multiplayer game in production over at Sierra Studios that appears to coincide with the release of this film, although the two may only be related in subject matter. Check out http://www.middle-earth.com to see what's up there. Basically, they are building an "Ultima Online" type of game that allows you to assume the role of various characters and races in the Tolkien world.
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From www.theonering.com I read that Swedish actress Izabela Scuropco from "Golden Eye" is possible going to sign on for an unknown part. She told reporters that it will be resolved in the next two weeks.
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...bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahahaha hahahaha hahahahaha hahahaha *slash* *stomp* *sound of head falling to floor* *stomp* *punt* *splash* bwahahahahahaha *giggle* *snort* Argggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!(this is the sound of the good Cap'n going mental)
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I'll admit, I never read the LOTR books, and saw a cartoon film based on it which was pretty good, but I love fantasy based japanime. Lodoss wars, Heroic legend of Arislan. They rock. And I think it's about fucking time they started realizing this is good shit. They need to come out with *MORE* fantasy based films (though all films are fantasy). What was the last one, Dragonheart? The fuck is that shit? I'm excited to see these films, but hey, it *IS* Hollywood. I'm not *TOO* excited.
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the same vision and spirit they had when i first heard about it half a year ago is not only still with them: it also is coming to life. excellent! don't forget to use the music that fits that vision and spirit perfectly.
http://www.metrognome.demon.co.uk/index.html
i KNOW you can do this PJ; and apparently you do too. Keep that pasion and wisdom, you're gonna need it! good luck, sir. that Elijah chap really fits your mood for the movie, and so does the music in the above URL. use them both!
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Everybody is so psyched about seeing Gollum and the Balrog (I am too), but why hasn't anyone brought up Treebeard? HE is the hardest one to visualize, in my head at least. Trees just don't look like people, and I've never understood how it would work... I've seen several renditions of Treebeard, and they generally tend to be disappointing if they are head to toe shots. Face and hands are easier to see (Alan Lee's painting in the centenial volume is one of the very few where I don't say "That's not how I see him" immediately). Bakshi's version on the other hand was so cartoony, I was glad he was only in one shot (despite that, and many other things, I actually kind of like Bakshi's cartoon - I think the voices are generally very good, and I actually liked the Bakshi-brand human/cartoon mixture... which is basically what the Phantom Menace and PJ's LOTR will be, with computers instead of paint). But anyway, I think it's really Treebeard who has the potential to make this movie frikin' fantastic, rather than merely insanely cool. Him and Gollum together (the Balrog is only in it a tad). That is, as far as the CGI goes. Or am I just unimaginative, and everybody else has this thing figured out? -CG
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It's true, check it out. In the shadow it's very clear there are wings. Please, say it ain't so. On the other hand, gollum clearly has stringy, white hair, so he's not a frog.
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Yea I noticed that too. (Although I'm not violently opposed to it.) But remember, it's just a brushed over bit of shadow to hide the design. And if they really wanted to hide the design, why would they make an accurate shadow? I was happy to make out that bit of Gollum, and even that little bit makes me happy with the design. Still, the two pictures that made me oogle in wonder were the Arwen and Aragorn still, and the Argonath pic. Garn those are good! I remember imagining Arwen and Aragorn saying goodbye, and I always thought of it as simply something that happened. This still brought the scene to life for me! Wow. -CG
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First of all, I would not say it's 'clear' that the shadows you see are wings. Second, and most importantly, did you miss the text underneath it? It basically says they made up the shadow of the balrog so people wouldn't be able to tell what it really looks like.
I'm very glad they are protecting us from the really cool things, since I know I don't have the strength to keep myself from viewing them if they were up! =)
One word: SPOOOOOOOOGE!
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OK, I have seen the nine teaser shots and didn't cough up my lunch - these guys have got *some* heart, then. Who's doing the soundtrack? PLEASE no air-pudding New Age twerps. I hear Pettersson's Sym. #6 for depicting Mordor, and I think we'd be best off to stick to other off-the-warhorse-track classical composers for most (or all) of the rest of the music - folks like Rangstroem, Stenhammar, Janacek, Moeran (for the Shire, certainly!), Bax, etc. No, I don't want to hear the "Blue Danube" while floating down the Anduin, or "Ride of the Valkyries" for the Nazgul, dammit. Tell you what - get me a copy of the shooting script, and I'll pencil in the music selections for gratis.
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I was reading on the LOTR site that there will be 1200 computer shots. Can anybody tell me how many were in TPM? Im trying to get a rough idea here of how front and center the effects will be . . .
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I think this stems from that fact that Jackson was getting ready to make yet another remake of King Kong, which was put on the back-burner when Mighty Joe Young was announced.
BTW does anybody know how they did the gorrilla in MJY. If that's CGI then it's absolutly the best I've seen. I had no idea they could do hair or muscle movement like that. I suspect, however, that it is not. -
I have no doubt that LOTR will be the movie event of the 21st century like the site says. However, the pics there do absolutely nothing for me. Why, you ask? Because I really detest Alan Lee's art, and his involvement as art director is the only blemish on the project. I'll be impressed when actual photos start flying around, especially if they're from WETA's design department.
btw, harry, you missed something else--Izabella Scuropco (Goldeneye) is involved somehow...theonering.net doesn't know how, but I'm betting on her as Eowyn, not Galadriel. -
Phantom Menace had 2200 effects shots, which is considerable more than the 1200 suggested for Part I of Lord of the Rings. But it means nothing - each shot could last for twice as long as the ones in TPM, which would still amount to the same screen time, if you take my meaning. And yes, Mighty Joe Young was indeed (in the most part) CGI, with muscle and hair effects. It's a great technological achievement, surrounded by a dumb film. Hoom,Hrm.. on to ol' Treebeard. Hoom..Well, the Ents are plain weird. The picture of them I have in my mind is pretty odd, baring in mind I've never seen any Tolkien artwork, or anything to provide inspiration regarding such creatures. I hope Jackson's team of concept artists go beyond just depicting a man with leaves growing out of his head, or a tree with arms and legs. For Treebeard and his ilk, I'd like to see a design beyond my imagination of the folk. Oh, and back to Tom Bombadil - I don't have a problem with Tolkien's use of the character, I just have a problem with ol' Tom himself. Dancing and skipping like ninny, I tell you, if I caught up with the dude, I'd tell him how uncool it is to prance about like a twat. Just 'cause he's a top gardener or something, doesn't mean I can't start some shit with him. I could get a chainsaw and level the fucker's forest if I wanted to.
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Hi everyone. It's the first time I visit the talk back at AICN, althought I alwatys read the news.
But... I can't believe you still in this thing of if the balrog have wings or no... in the Moria scene, where Gandalf see the balrog, Tolkien describe him like "with wings that go from wall to wall at Moria's Hall", so, he HAVE wings...
And, of course I became very happy when saw that Elendril copied the post I did at Lord of the Ring Movie Forum, in vatagenet. "I" started this discussion about Gandalv. and don't say me you didn't read that in the other forum, Elendril. Appendix E, first page, F in the end of the word is pronounced as V.
The pictures of the official site are the best thing I ever saw. But now, you don't need to use the /main.html in the end, what was a secret site, that theonering.net discovered. Now you can only use www.lordoftherings.net and go there :-). -
'Cause he likes The Lord of the Rings lots, you know?
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The "Gandolf" dilemma has not been fix. All can rejoice. Atlantis has not sunk! Sheesh, you AICN junkies are hard to please. BTW, that is not their design of the Balrog. Read the caption, they used a mocked up shadow balrog to hide their actual design. Also, in the Gollum pic, the Fellowship is entering the mine of Moria. You can see a person with a torch entering an entrance. There are also ladders. One thing missing is the tentacle creatures. Gollum is in the bottom right corner. I'm pleased they didn't reveil the design yet because I want to be surprised and plus I have a feeling you geeks would go on about it.
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Well, I don't profess to be a great Tolkien expert, I still stick by my pronunciation. I believe that Nindalf (Tolkien's example) is of the same origin as Gandalf and he clearly states that it is pronounced with the v. As for the rule only applying to the Elven tongue, on the previous page, Tolkien begins his appendix on pronunciation stating: "The Westron or Common Speech has been entirely translated into English equivalents....In transcribing the ancient scripts I have tried to represent the original sounds (so far as they can be determined) with fair accuracy, and at the same time to produce words and names that do not look uncouth in modern letters....The following points may be observed by those who are interested in such details." Then follows the pronunciation of consonants, and unless you can cite another more definitive or explicit reference, I'm sticking with what I said before. As for the fricative being soft, well, OK, if you want to call it a soft fricative, that's fine. I was trying to distinguish the th in the from the th in with. As for 323232 (etc), no, I hate to bruise your ego, but I actually did find that out on my own in the Appendix, and I was completely unaware of your previous post on the other page. This is the only LOTR posting that I follow, mainly because of the extreme devotion that I have seen in the postings. Anyway, that's all for now. Thanks for listening!
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Isn't he supposed to be involved in this movie in some way? Females of the world rejoice if it is true.
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Well, after reading further in the appendix, I do see this: "In names drawn from other languages than Eldarin the same values for the letters are intended, where not specially described above, except in the case of Dwarvish." Two questions, how do you know when a name is drawn from Eldarin and when it isn't? Secondly, is he saying that the letters sound like they appear in English, or is he saying names derived from languages other than Eldarin follow the same pronunciations shown at the beginning of the Appendix? Later, there is a special reference to Mannish: "The 'outer' or Mannish names of the Dwarves have been given Northern forms, but the letter-values are those described." If I interpret this correctly, the letter looks exactly as it sounds. So, how do you know what language Gandalf's name originates from? I know, I'm taking this all way too seriously, but, dammit, I'm a perfectionist and I just want to say it right! I'll await your Tolkien tutelage. :)
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Just to beat a dead horse:
"His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings."
That is a simile. And then:
"The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped foward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall;..."
This is metaphore.
In the first quotation Tolkien compared the shadow, or the darkness, around the balrog to vast wings. In the second quotation he explains that the darkness increased, which caused the "wings" to spread from wall to wall. The wing reference here is a metaphore, he is not talking about real wings, as is clear from the first quotation where a simile is explicitly used. When he talks about the wings, Tolkien is refering to the shadow about the balrog.
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Oh, and as for the vowel, I feel sort of stupid, but the a in machine was actually referring to the correct pronunciation of i, not a. Actually, the a is supposed to be like the a in father.
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Anybody else notice that there are nine pictures to ensnare us, just like there were nine rings to ensnare the hapless humans???? I must admit that at first I wasn't impressed with the pictures, but then I remembered someone's advice and clicked on them, whoa, nelly!!! I am no longer apprehensive about this project...it's gonna be a long two years.
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well now,if I am whizzing people off ,it certainly wasn't my intention.I still stand by my opinion.I used to think that Sauron was the one(probably Lucas;hence the 'Phantom Menace").Lord by its definition meant one who has control over,hence we can rule out the ringbearers,the dark riders nad everyone else who came to desire the ring.Only Galadriel and Bombadil has been mentioned in the trilo thaat wasn't affected upon wearing the ring.Aragorn ,remebering Gimli's thoughts of him while leading the attack of the Oathbreakers on the Corsairs that Aragorn would be an equal of Sauron if he had worn the ring;the point is he didn't ;he was lord(over the ring) a! Sauron's efforts to retrieve the ring (to become lord of the ring or middle earth,I ask?)reminds me of pathetic Gollum.Anyone wants to have a bite of me,fine.This is just my opinion,anyone's free to voice theirs. BTW,always thought Alan Lee's Ents as what I had always picturedRemembering that Ents looked generally in shape like trolls(is it true that trolls are made in condescension of Ents?)
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It's mockery
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Sista Val and I refute Miss Lavender's proclaimation respectfully and think that she should buddy up with "Galadrial" et al @ the Tolkien Movie page.
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After some weeks of seeing the results of the TBHL poll, I finally checked into their forum and discovered how and in what fish-hand seriousness some of these names were brought up and just stuck. Now I'm convinced that the AIN'T-IT-COOL-NEWS Tolkien clan need OUR OWN casting poll, to do ourselves justice as the site that captured PJ's attention in the first place, and to observe the difference in suggestions after such long discussion. I bet we could put up the whole company at once, allowing every glee-bursting elf friend to re-broadcast his personal cast list in an orderly and democratic fashion, and we could have the results aired within a week (just before, yeah yeah, PJ makes us all look like fools with the real cast clue-in...) (I'm still serious.)
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replace Sean Bean as Aragorn with Alan Rickman! (see post last talkback)
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MorGoth hit the glamhoth squarely on the head! We are all entitled to our opinion, even when we are wrong. You can't be the Lord of the Rings until you control the One -- hence only a Dark Lord can be Lord of the Rings. And yes, Sauron intent was to become master of the world THROUGH becoming the absolute Lord of the Rings. OK, I'll be quiet about that topic now. However, just a clarification re: Galadriel and the One Ring -- Bombadil DID put the ring on; Galadriel did NOT. Morpheus may be refering to Galadriel's ring, the Ring of Adamant, one of the Three, which she briefly revealed to Frodo and Sam when they were at her "mirror." And I am enheartened by the pics (well most of them) at the official movie site. Arwen & Aragorn, Frodo and Sam viewing the orc army, and the Argonath (Pillars of the Kings -- Anarion and Isildur) really capture my concept of the books. If the movie has this look and feel, and the script is as faithful as possible, and the actors are firmly rooted in the heart of the story, these movies will be magnificent. Namarie.
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Someone told me they read, in a interview, when he was on tour in Ohio w/ his band, that he was going to be involved in this movie. Is it true?? Keanu in a forest trying to get some rings?? alright.
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Perhaps everyone should check into the origin of the name Gandalf? Maybe there you will find out? Tolkien got the name from an ancient Norse poem. It is called Vol
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