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Mr. Beaks Gets Skewered by WOLVERINE at Comic Con!

Beaks here... As far as I'm concerned, Thursday, July 24th, 2008 is a date that will live in Comic Con infamy as "The Day the Drapes Fell on Frosty." For everyone else, it'll be The Day Hugh Jackman Surprised a Packed Hall H and Unveiled a Money-Shot-Laden Teaser for X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE. I'll not bore you with the details of the collapsing black drapes in the San Diego Convention Center's mammoth Hall H (which rained their flimsy metal fury down upon the noggin of Collider.com's Steve "Frosty" Weintraub - he's concussed, but recuperating) aside from noting that, combined with the complete shutdown of I-5 South and the news of mass firings at Paramount, it seemed like this year's Comic Con was utterly cursed before the studio show-and-tells could get underway. Maybe this is just my shit, but the vibe seemed off starting with "Preview Night": sure, the floor was unusually packed for a Wednesday evening, but the studio booths were largely underwhelming (WB's to-scale Archimedes and THE SPIRIT's snow machine excepted). Factor in the looming absence of heavy hitters like J.J. Abrams's STAR TREK, TRANSFORMERS 2 and G.I. JOE, and the venerable SDCC appeared to be on the ropes (sustaining body blows from its increasingly popular spring competition, the New York Comic Con). Amazing how a muscular, charismatic Australian and three minutes of deftly cut together footage changed all that. I just got back to my hotel room after a long day of interviews and panel watching (which concluded with a brilliant, if barely orchestrated two-hour celebration of Robert Smigel's TV FUNHOUSE), so I've no idea if the WOLVERINE footage has leaked to the tubes (a cursory search turned up nothin'). If Fox is smart, they'll make the clip live immediately. In the interim here is my initial, verbatim reaction: "Sabretooth! The Blob! Gambit! Deadpool! Weapon X! Holy retracting balls, I'm twelve again!!!" Fox pulled off a similar coup de somethin'-or-other back in 2002, when Bryan Singer unleashed an invigorating assemblage of footage from the still-filming X2. Though WOLVERINE has at least wrapped, the nagging reports of a rough shoot down under made what Jackman introduced today feel far more impressive. This doesn't look like a film in turmoil; this looks like the top grossing picture of 2009. The scale is huge, the tone is classic 1980s X-Men, and the volatile chemistry between Jackman and Liev Schreiber's Sabretooth will have you clamoring for a retroactive expunging of Tyler Mane from the first X-MEN movie. There's still plenty of time to fuck it all up, but for now, it's looking like the immensely talented Gavin Hood might've pulled it all together. And with that, Comic Con 2008 appears to be in fine shape. As for the other two films featured on the Fox panel, I guess I'm most interested in Scott Derrickson's remake of THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL. Though I loathed Derrickson's first film, THE EXORCISM OF EMILY ROSE, he at least has a solid eye for composition; he also went out of his way to let us know that he a) once had dinner with Robert Wise (who advised that his debut feature should be a horror flick), and b) watched the original a number of times in preparation for this redo. To Derrickson's credit, this version feels nothing like Wise's bluntly stated anti-nuke allegory; unfortunately, everything I've seen from the film thus far (including the interrogation sequence and a clumsily-written back-and-forth between Keanu Reeves's Klaatu and Jaden Smith's Jacob) comes off as crushingly banal. But it's all out-of-context. There could be a compelling movie hidden underneath Keanu's patented monotone. Missed opportunity of the day: not getting to ask Keanu if he's ever fired his gun in the air and yelled "Aaaaaahhhhh!" But it was nice to see Jennifer Connelly. Mark Wahlberg kicked off the MAX PAYNE panel with one of the sharpest observations on the fanatical Hall H crowds I've ever heard: "It's like doing a concert in Japan." He then noted that he suddenly understood the New Kids on the Block reunion tour. "Gets you warm in the pants." It was nice to see Wahlberg working the crowd like a natural born performer; gives me hope that, one of these days, he'll figure out how to be a great leading man. Of course, that won't happen until he picks better star vehicles. And while MAX PAYNE looks like ten tons of agreeable silly, the major action sequence Fox proudly unspooled played like Brett Ratner's remake of DIE HARD: basically, it's a huge office shootout in which glass is shattered, sprinkler systems are triggered, and Payne sustains a good bit of damage. The major difference is that, in DIE HARD, there was a reason for Hans Gruber to order the random destruction of glass (McClane's bare feet); in MAX PAYNE, it's just an aesthetic consideration for the filmmaker (i.e. John Moore). They also showed us a special, extended-for-Comic-Con trailer that was cut (badly) to an alternate Led Zeppelin recording of "Whole Lotta Love". Put me off the movie entirely. That was the only major studio panel I got to check out today, and I ain't complainin'. I filled the time by chatting with guys like Robert Smigel, Dino Stamatopoulos, Frank Darabont and Clark Duke. Transcriptions are on the way. Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • July 25, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    this movie will blow.

    by dingus khan

    that is all.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:12 a.m. CST

    HAHAHAHA Everyone has been totally dismissing Wolverine!

    by DOGSOUP

    And look what happens...from left field comes the goodness! Hugh Jackman knows the demographic!

  • July 25, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    But "Tsotsi" was good...

    by Yaw

    Hood does well with characters whose personalities and empathy are well-rusted due to the conditions of the life but are in a way, especially equipped to make the moral choices that a normal citizen could not. But yeah - Blob on film? What is the scale of this movie? Does it feel intimate or what? Like a John LeCarre Spy novel - but with mutants?

  • July 25, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    i wasnt too interested...

    by soup74

    but NOW i am.. they need to let this footage leak.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    "Increasingly popular" NY Comic Con?

    by Daytripper69

    I hope so. I just attended my first NY Comic Con this past May, and I must say I was rather underwhelmed, compared to the West Coast's Comic Con. Why wasn't there an Iron Man panel? Or a Dark Knight panel, fer crying out loud? You'd think they'd be promoting the heck out of it there.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    When are we gonna get an actual X-men film?

    by Shermdawg

  • July 25, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Mane was in X2?

    by SpencerTrilby

    I don't think so. Anyway, I'm not gonna churn out my 10 bucks unless word-of-mouth is TDK-like. X-Men + Fox = big fucking wait & see.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Wolverine Movie Review

    by Jonas Grumpy

    Three claws up!

  • July 25, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    I still don't believe for a second Wolverine will be any good

    by IndustryKiller!

    First of all hugh jackman is still a weak Wolverine. Wolverine should be nothing less than a young Clint Eastwood, not literally but in spirit. jackman has never captured anything even close to this and in X3 he wasn't even playing the character. Secondly all the X-Men movies, even the first two, are weak representations of the characters and the world of X-Men. I doubt this is gonna change that. I really don;t know why everyone loves Jackman so much. if you're truly a fan of Wolverine that just makes no sense.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    DIAPER PANS!

    by Westonian

    its the most important thing

  • July 25, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    this is the second time an accident shut down the 5 on the

    by bacci40

    first day of the con...last one was about 7 years ago, if i recall correctly...found out something new...mila kunis is a galactica fan..and this will be the day remembered as the day the con was taken over by the twighlight tweeners

  • July 25, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    ~~~~~Y'ALL JUST JEALOUS CUZ JACKMAN'S BROUGHT THE GOODS!~~~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    don't be a playa-hata! =0p

  • July 25, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    muscular, charismatic australian

    by deanbarry

    Yeah..we are all like that, lol. I'm looking forward to seeing this flick. Lot's of set pics have been turning up in our local rags for months. Looks promising.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman is a weak Wolverine?!

    by BillEmic

    Did you even *see* X-2? When he went into beserker rage mode and skewered that government agent through the fridge...I had a geekgasm. Hugh Jackman IS Wolvie, man! My only complaint is that the real Logan is an even shorter dude than me, probably about 5'4" or 5'5" or something. But that'd look silly onscreen. It'd be Jason Schwartzman as Wolverine.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    octagonproplex

    by Daytripper69

    LOL. I've lived in Los Angeles for five years, friend; NY has the goods on the West Coast when it comes to character. We've got museums, a great nightlife, Broadway and the center of the publishing world. (Where do you think Marvel and DC came from?!) And besides, LA makes comparatively lousy pizzas.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Well, then you just don't understand Wolverine then bill

    by IndustryKiller!

    If you think Jackman IS Wolverine. Wolverine is a samurai, quiet, proud, dangerous, cynical. jackmans Wolverine is more like Cyclops. And that "berserker rage" was more just "Really angry guy". He's supposed to be inhuman when he's in that rage. Like a caged hungry animal. He looked more like a guy running around the house at a normal pace with fake claws. That was a weak berserker. Read the comics man.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I've read the comics since I was a boy

    by BillEmic

    I'm perfectly satisfied with Jackman's interpretation of the character. Some things don't have to be exactly like the comic - see: the Joker's new scarred 'smile' - otherwise Wolverine would have unseemly back hair in the movies too.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Well then you should know better Bill

    by IndustryKiller!

    And the examples you just gave are aesthetic, I'm talking about the very soul of the character, which Ledger nailed perfectly and jackman missed. And the soul does need to be exactly like the comic otherwise it might as well no be a Wolverine movie.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Photos from the trailer

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    this guy has several pics posted and claims he'll be posting the trailer soon. They're fuzzy, but the best we've got. Me, I like sabretooth and MAYBE deadpool (reynolds is perfect, but i hope he wears the mask most of the time), but the rest dont do much for me - blob, emma, etc...<br><Br> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/board/nest/112858195<br><br> (as always, take out any spaces talkback inserts)

  • July 25, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    I'M GAMBIT BITCH!!!!!

    by _SnakePlissken_

    Finally!!! Just don't balls it up, I'm hoping this movie is going to be closer to comics then the last 3, and with no Halle or the skank that played rogue the odds are defiantly increased..

  • July 25, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    WTF? Deadpool is just Ryan Reynolds in a t-shirt

    by IndustryKiller!

    I can see the execs now "Look if you've got Ryan Reynolds ya gotta show his face at all times or else whats the point??"

  • July 25, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Holy Hannibal King in a T-shirt!

    by SpencerTrilby

    so, all the X-related badass characters actually predate the "real" X-men movies? Were they that insecure with their script, so they had to jam-pack it with second players? I'm a bit skeptical about that; for one I just wanted a better Sabretooth and some samourai badassness. Looks like I'll have to wait for X-men origins - Wolverine II: Originerer.

  • July 25, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    In fact all those character pics look terrible

    by IndustryKiller!

    This is just gonna be yet more placating of idiots by throwing every fucking character in the x-men universe into this film to placate idiot fanboys and raping each one of them with one misrepresentation after the other. The White Queen? What does she have to do with Wolverine? Logan fighting Blob in a boxing ring? Whats that crap?

  • July 25, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    jjackson is wolverine

    by Mr_X

    on screen he is wolverine. and im perfectly happy with that. i wasnt aware that we'd get a couple of new characters introduced this movie. sounds good. someone leak the trailer already!

  • July 25, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    muscular, charismatic australian

    by ironic_name

    somebody wanted to see me?

  • July 25, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    After the way they ruined the Dark Phoenix storyline...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...I think I'll wait 'til the franchise comes back 'in-house' and they tackle it properly...<p>Meanwhile, why don't Marvel try an Alpha Flight movie? It'll be a damn sight cheaper than an Avengers one and will be totally new to 95% of the audience. Just a thought...go, Puck!

  • July 25, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Marvel Studios wouldn't change anything I'm afraid

    by SpencerTrilby

    if their first slate of "movies" taught us anything, it's that they go for the idiotic writing and by-the-numbers direction. As much as I'd want to see a X-Men reboot, I certainly don't wanna witness it under those circumstances, much less the actual Marvel leadership.

  • July 25, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!....

    by Redbox

    Wolvie ain't no Samurai... Not yet.. That's the movie they want to do next (I would have done first) the one based on Claremont ans Miller's seminal work: Wolverine The Limited Series. That will take place in Japan, with lots of swords and ninjas. Best Wolvie story ever Gaijin. It isn't until the end of that story that Wolverine becomes "worthy" of such praise.

  • July 25, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Spencer Trilby

    by JimBobCooter

    I know you are just trolling, so forgive me for falling for it... but "Iron Man" was an absolute blast - tight, fun, WELL ACTED and DIRECTED - and kicked the asses of X3 and Spiderman 3. "Hulk" was a vast improvement over Ang Lee's version. So, to say Marvel Studios wouldn't improve "X-Men" based on their track record - when they've so far ONLY improved on their properties - is completely asinine.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Has it leaked yet?

    by O_Goncho

    Me wanty.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    ummm....deadpool.

    by oafius

    So does this categorically mean that deadpool isn't going to be scarred, or wear his mask? two crucial parts to his character? taking away the cancer and the scars for deadpool is like having batmans parents live. could it be that he is like that in the beginning, then he contracts cancer in between logan leaving weapon x and them coming after him? thats a bit of a stretch i know, surely they wouldve shown the mask for the fanboys at comic con. i just don't see why they would do a fan fave like deadpool, and not do him right. the rest sounds pretty good though, but i seriously love deadpool so can't help but be disappointed. :'(

  • July 25, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Deadpool will get his scars and mask

    by O_Goncho

    Although possibly not till he gets his own movie...

  • July 25, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    was hoping for the mask

    by chokinonrhodes

    on deadpool, but ill be patient. one of my fav marvel characters ever..i hope they get him right.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    that'll be a nice surprise if Wolvie is any good

    by just pillow talk

    I would really like to see that footage and get a better idea myself. Sure, a teaser don't tell you the whole story, but then it'll enable me to get my hopes up. That way they can be dashed and crushed.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Violence

    by oafius

    i actually really dig your idea for the scarring, though i really doubt they'll do it. but on that train of thought, providing they set up the scarring and the cancer in some way, even if it doesnt happen in the film, i think i can deal with it. william howlett? do you mean james howlett? yeah i doubt they'll stick to that exact origin, but i reckon he'll have the same name, and it will be some time ago in the past, but it won't be quite as in depth as the Origins book.

  • July 25, 2008, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Loathed The Exorcism of Emily Rose?

    by tonagan

    Why?

  • July 25, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    and sandman kill uncle ben...

    by oafius

    in spiderman 3. ...yep its a fair point, why not. i have no problems with adapting the origin, but i just really like the cancer aspect to him, its important to the whole karmaic balance.ie he was ugly on the inside by the way he acted, then the cancer manifests itself as an exterior ugliness to match his inside. he can't hide it anymore, so he wears a mask. and its also important that the healing factor not only stops him from staying hurt, it prevents the cancer from killing him. unlike logan, the healing factor is almost like a suped up life support machine, rather than a suped up bandaid. still, as long as they set up the scars, and the mask, and the humour, and the awesomeness for a solo spin off, i'd be happy to take it off their hands and direct it! haha

  • July 25, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Liev Schreiber's Sabretooth???

    by Sebilrazen

    What happened to Tyler Mane? Continuity people.<br><br>I kid, I'd much rather have Liev in a speaking role than "Grrr, Grrr, mrrrph."

  • July 25, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    It's just as well I wasn't there

    by Abominable Snowcone

    I would have comed in my pants

  • July 25, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Wolverine already had THREE Films to himself.

    by knowthyself

    Now he needs a stand alone? Good grief.

  • July 25, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    On With the Deadpool Movie

    by MrPopular

    Seriously

  • July 25, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    If you're making a live-action comic-book movie...

    by The Grug

    You've got to ground it in a physical reality, and short of finding an incredibly muscular manlet with heaps of charisma (can anyone name a single actor who fits that bill?) you need someone with a presence that approaches that of Logan in the comics - Jackman nails it IMO.

  • July 25, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Mr. Beaks

    by Henry_Krinkle_from_FairLawn

    Can u describe wat sum of the characters looked like? Was Liev looking like he did in the leaked pics from a month ago? Was Deadpool scarred? Did Remy look like Remy? Damn, I really hope there's more in the budget for Sabertooth's look than a manicure

  • July 25, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Deadpool! Emma Frost!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Wearing tanktops! I'm looking forward to Wolverine 2 in which Omega Red appears in boxers and a wifebeater.

  • July 25, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    prettybaby...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...you're spamming the wrong internet forum for if you're looking for "millionaires," sweetheart...

  • July 25, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Wasn't Derrickson's first film Hellraiser 5?

    by DerLanghaarige

  • July 25, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Dude.

    by MS ADAMANTIA CLAUS

    I was reading the comments, sipping nonchanlantly on my homebrewed Starbucks when - sphhhhhe-laaaaaaaaatttttttt!! Spit take. ShermDawg my homebiscuit...you have HAD your Xmen movie - 3x. And I for one cannot stomach another angry gayman(I and a merely peevish gay man friend have a theory that angry gay men are responsible for the fashion faux pas that seem to have increased exponentially during the award season - it HAD to be an angry gay man who put Aretha Franklin in a big honkin' ass yellow dust ruffle at the Grammys - shit man, I know a dust ruffle when I see one. It was an angry gay man who dres-squozed poor Tina Turner into a stretch aluminum foil tank and knickers getup - poor Tina - poor Tina's titties. yep, when professional women show up lookin' a hot mess - THERE'S a an angry, SNIGGERING gay man stylist somewhere getting payback. How else can you account for Halle "My ass just won an Oscar" not getting ANY good scenes AGAIN? - but this situation should stop now that gay marriage is legal, because I always thought that was the reason for the recent disasters) directed mishmash that results in Rebecca and Halle taking a backseat to and poor beautiful Hugh having to make with the panting desire for the mannish Famke. Jeez-us Hirahito Christ, did Jackman prove his acting chops for everytime he looked at her with "Iwantit"lust. Shit, his EYES shoulda got combat pay. She is honestly one person who I cannot fathom for the life of me WHY SHE WERKS SO FUCKING MUCH. Homegirl must have pics of someone REAL important doing something REAL UGLY, something on the level of WHATEVER Christie Brinkley's twin detectives had on that videotape that made her ex-opponent husband curl into a fetal position and suddenly drop his case. Its GOTTA be something on that level. Because "she"'s not even remotely believable as a womanmuch less ANYONE's "Helen of Troy" and everytime they cast her so, the believability hops a bus and leaves town and the script grabs its own tail and pops into nothingness. So unless its what is (I'm afraid) gonna become a cliche - the story remake & reboot. Its the Hollywood version of being "born again" - only Jesus only gets a nostalgia cameo and no backend deal. More Xmen. (eye roll) Somebody fetch this guy a smack. :D - I keed - sorta.

  • July 25, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    oh yeah and BTW...

    by MS ADAMANTIA CLAUS

    Beaks. Was he SWEATY at all? (thigh rub thigh rub)

  • July 25, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    still not excited

    by INWOsuxRED

    I hope this turns out good, but I just doubt it.

  • July 25, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Gambit, eh?

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    I loved the comics. I even loved the Fox Kids cartoon. I liked the first movie. I liked the second even though it became ludicrous, and the third X-Men was a clusterfuck of horseshit. The reason I feel hesitant about these movies is that the very idea of mutants and mutant powers are kind of difficult to put on film without being overly campy. And Gambit's a tough one to do, I'd imagine.

  • July 25, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I don't blame Ratner at all

    by INWOsuxRED

    Solo Wolverine books almost always bored me. They diluted and wore out the character, removed mystery while adding nothing. Wolverine as a mystery is interesting, Wolverine getting his origin explained makes for a bland story and retroactively hurts what came before as a result. Add to that this film seems to be just randomly adding other characters like they let a group of random fanboys each pick one off a menu. I think there is very much a feeling with this film that the story was an afterthought, so no matter how good they make a trailer or series of trailers, we're still all expecting to get burned in the end.

  • July 25, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by Screwbini

    So let me get this straight, my aptly named friend - Jackman isn't a good Wolverine because he also plays other roles in which he sings and dances? Ever heard of versatility, moron?

  • July 25, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    add in the x-men movies weren't heavy on action

    by INWOsuxRED

    the three x-men films failed at providing amazing non-stop action, so the idea that they can carry this on action alone doesn't seem likely to me. Wolverine in particular always seemed to be a slow moving wire-work mess in most action scenes. Ratner does get some of the blame for that I guess, but only about 1/3 of the blame.

  • July 25, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    I don't blame Ratner either.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Ratner was hired to take the X3 script they gave him and make it look like it fit with X1 and X2. And he did it. I blame the writers and producers.

  • July 25, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    the appeal of Deadpool

    by waggy

    He's Spider-man with guns. Take away the mask and you kinda lose that. That said, let's reserve judgement until there's more released from the movie.

  • July 25, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    ouch, just checked out the Deadpool pics

    by waggy

    He does indeed look pretty lame. As does Emma Frost. Can someone explain why we got Jessica Alba as Sue Storm and some average looking chick as Emma Frost? Beaks seems pretty enthused though, so presumably this all looks much more impressive in motion (and in a higher quality).

  • July 25, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I hate to break it to you guys...

    by HoboCode

    but X3 really is not that bad. And I hate Brett Ratner with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. In fact X3 is quite entertaining and at least has the balls to take some risks. Could I have lived without "I'm the Juggernaut, BITCH!"? Undoubtedly (and yes that line REEKS of Ratner), but the film is still well-acted and the action is great.

  • July 25, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    X-Men: The Last Stand wasn't that bad, Hobocode?

    by Magunga

    What part of the Golden-Gate-Bridge-levitating-to-Alcatraz scene made any sort of sense? Magneto just stood back while he watched his people get slaughtered by the same folks he wanted to destroy. Why did Ratner choose to sideline the Dark Phoenix, one of the most powerful characters in X-Men history, for the majority of the movie? Did you enjoy any of the dialog? How about the "Just Kidding!" moment at the very end, when you discover that the serum that half of the movie was spent on wasn't a permanent cure for the mutants? Also, how do you excuse the boy who not only nullifies mutant abilities but can also make blue arm hair magically disappear? How about the fact that a supposedly major character, Angel, disappears for a large portion of the movie only to inexplicably reappear in time to save his daddy from death? That movie was an horrid pile of worm-ridden dog shit.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    About Wolverine...

    by Magunga

    X-Men was my favorite comic as a kid, but after X-men:The Last Stand I'm extremely nervous to see them on the big screen again. Wolverine could be interesting, but I'll have to wait until an official trailer is released before I decide if I'll see this.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Right on Magunga!

    by andrew coleman

    X3 was one of the worst movies of that year! The Final Battle scene was the worst for me. The X-men vs. A bunch of dudes running at them. It was suppose to be an army of mutants attacking the X-men not meth addicts who just run straight into death. Also when the fights did start it felt like a really bad version of Mortal Kombat. Yes I am saying Mortal Kombat is better than X3.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Industrykiller

    by Evangelion217

    If you think Hugh Jackmen is not a great Wolverine, then you have probably never read the comics. Jackmen is perfect as Wolverine. He actually shows us the essence, and soul of Wolverine. Yes, he sucked in "X3", but everything sucked about that film. He was fantastic in the first two installments, and he might be even better in his own film.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Nothing can stop the blob!!

    by stupidmop

    Wow, I hope the moving footage is good, but all of those pics look terrible. Looks like they got the same guy that designed the GI Joe costumes to do these

  • July 25, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry evangelion, Jackman is weak.

    by IndustryKiller!

    But what exactly is that essence hes putting forth? Watered down Wolverine. its inarguable. You might like it, but it aint the spirit of Wolverine. jackman isnt a bad actor, he's just too nice a guy for the role. jackman doest actually come off as tortured, just a guy playing tortured by furrowing his brow. And most of all he isn't dangerous. Wolverine should have all the intensity that Ledger played hte Joker with, like he's capable of anything, of course he uses his pain for good, not evil being the difference. it doesnt surprise me though that the general public would like a watered down more accessible, more wise ass than bad ass Wolverine.

  • July 25, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    They'd have to use a LOT of CGI to make Liev...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    look (1) muscular, with his doughy, out of shape physique, and (2) tough enough to take Hugh Jackman on in a fight.<p>I'm betting they have him in tons of padded clothing, in order to make him look up to the task of playing Sabretooth.

  • July 25, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller...

    by Magunga

    I don't know where you got your assessment of Logan, but you're dead wrong, in my opinion. Wolverine wasn't usually very intense, but rather serious and brooding. There's a difference. Ledger's Joker was always on the edge, but I never got the sense of that from wolverine in the comics. Oftentimes they'd just show him sitting in a bar with his head slightly bowed when he wasn't in action. He's always been somewhat short-tempered and opinionated, but that isn't the same as intensity.

  • July 25, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Oh, and X3:The LAST STAND WASN'T that bad...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    It was certainly better than X2, where Cyclops vanished for 90% of the film and the only excitement was in the opening sequence when Nightcrawler stormed the White House.<p>Those elements, along with Iceman's infamous "coming out" scene, were the only memorable parts of X-Men 2. At least X3 actually had the main characters FIGHTING!

  • July 25, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    To me, Wolverine was always...

    by Magunga

    ...a small, unassuming man that wouldn't catch your eye until he lost his temper.

  • July 25, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    TheGhostWhoLurks...

    by Magunga

    There is apparently no room for plot, coherent and believable dialog, character development or common sense in your ideal action movie. It just has to be exciting, right? With lots of 'slposions and flashy digital effects? I would have rather seen Hank McCoy in a business suit pontificating at a pulpit throughout the entire movie than jumping, flipping and swinging through the air a la "Crouching Tiger." The fact that the action sequences didn't make much logical sense in X3 took virtually all of the enjoyment out of watching many of my favorite comic book characters displaying their superhuman abilities. You should demand better from filmmakers, even if the source materials are comic books.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Magunga

    by HoboCode

    Sorry. Let me clarify. X3 wasn't that bad to anyone EXCEPT pedantic geeks with no semblance of imagination or leeway in the stringent mythology of the characters.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    TV Funhouse

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Tell us about that instead of this bullshit, man. That show was hilarious.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I understand that filmmakers have to take liberties...

    by Magunga

    ...with the source materials, but if you had actually read what I had posted you would know that I wasn't simply bitching about the inconsistencies between the comics and the film. Rather, you would see that my problem lay in the inconsistencies within the movie itself. The bridge scene made no sense, in that two of the most powerful characters were sidelined for the majority of the battle for no explainable reason. The mutant "cure" was totally negated at the end, when they showed Magneto regaining some of his power. How about the fact that Wolverine managed to not only keep his footing but walk forward during a tempest that was literally tearing the island to shreds? Those things didn't bother you? X3 was a sloppy, uninspired mess of a movie, and no amount of flashy special effects could cover that up.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    magunga, you're taking the Ledger comparison too literally

    by IndustryKiller!

    I didn't necessarily mean the characters have the same intensity, you're very right Wolverine isnt ALWAYS on edge like that. i meant more the level of intensity and passion the actor brings tot he role. The idea that something is always going on unerneath. And Wolverine is a dangerous man when he wants to be, every bit as threatening and scary as any villain, and jackman just does not possesss that quality. he's a fine actor, LOVE him in the Fountain, but he's a little too nice. You need someone with more natural edge, like a young Russel Crowe or especially, as I said before, Clint Eastwood. It's an intensity, but a quiet one.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Also, HoboCode, "pedantic" may be an apt descriptor for me...

    by Magunga

    ...but I prefer to consider myself as "discerning" or "observant." If I see something in a movie that seems silly or out of place it bothers me. Perhaps I could have enjoyed such cinematic delights as "The Last Action Hero" or "Batman & Robin" if I had the ability to temporarily retard my mental faculties for an hour or two, but Alas! I am not so talented as you.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller...

    by Magunga

    ...We are in complete agreement, then.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Magunga

    by HoboCode

    Phoenix wasn't fighting because she wasn't on anyone's side for one thing. And her THREE freak outs were all pretty intense and did the character justice. Magneto wasn't sidelined. He was, picking up bridges, commanding his forces, and hurling cars everywhere. That's sidelined? And so fucking what if the cure ended up not being real. It sets up a sequel. Big deal. And Wolverine was able to keep his footing because his skeleton is made out of indestructable metal and he can heal. And excuse me if I like to see characters with superpowers actually use them in a movie and not sit around talking about their feelings the entire movie. Jesus.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    "Wolverine is a samurai"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    God, that is so stupid.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    HoboCode...

    by Magunga

    ...metal-coated bones aren't going to keep a person from being lifted off the ground by a force powerful enough to blast buildings and people into little grains of sand. Wolverine would have been impotent in stopping Phoenix when she was in full freak-out mode. Also, if Magneto is powerful enough to move the Golden Gate Bridge off its foundations and over to Alcatraz then certainly he would have been able to subdue the humans with a few of those suspension wires rather than allowing his minions to be slaughtered. By the way, why was Phoenix even there with Magneto? What could he offer her that she couldn't take for herself? Other than a couple of key scenes, Jean Grey was treated more as a plot device than a person, and that bothered me. Regarding the mutant "cure," Magneto's regenerating powers essentially negated a major threat posed to the mutants in the movie and nullified the credibility of the X-Men's efforts combating the humans who wanted to use it. It's like the retarded ending of "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," where it was as if nothing had ever happened.

  • July 25, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Tell you what, HoboCode...

    by Magunga

    ...I'll put X-Men:The Last Stand in my Netflix cue, and if upon review the movie makes even a little more sense than when I last saw it, I'll personally apologize to you in the next Wolverine talkback. Perhaps time has robbed me of important details that would allow me a greater appreciation of the movie. God, I'm so bored...

  • July 25, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    dudes right

    by oafius

    lets sum up the major plot points of X3: - Jean Grey came back, then was killed again. - magneto and rogue lost their powers. but then at the end we see magneto is getting his powers back, so it obviously doesn't work. -cyclops was killed off...well he was barely in the films before he got killed if we're honest! -xavier gets killed. then we see in the credits that hes jumped into coma boy. so basically the film achieved....diddly squit. shit all. I don't entirely blame ratner, i blame the people who threw him in there last minute to try and get it out before superman returns rather than actually spend some time on it. i blame singer for not finishing the job, but then if superman was his dream job, i guess you can't blame him that much. but i honestly think its a mess of a film craft wise anyway, story line aside. golden gate bridge scene particularly. pointless use of his powers. then absolutely no moment where the light turns from sunset to night, no shot of a sunset or anything, seriously classic mistakes. then it cuts back to the bridge and all the empty cars have now got their lights on....so the people ran for their lives when it was sunny, then came all the way back to their cars when it was night, to turn the lights back on, THEN fucked off again?! come on brett, even you're better than that! maybe magneto turned them back on in another pointless display of his powers....

  • July 25, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Ghost who Lurks!!!!

    by snitchseeker

    Yeah you're right, Singer did have Cyclops disappear for 90 percent of the movie...of course X3 did too, when Cyclops was ambigously killed off in the first 20 minutes. The problem was that X2 was awesome, had great conflict and setup for a third film...then the third film took a shit on it. And whoever says Wolverine (and X2) didn't have awesome action sequences must be totally ignoring the raid on the mansion and the fight with that girl over the tank where she gets loaded with adamantium. Totally sick scenes.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    wasn't sabretooth in X-Men?

    by BadMrWonka

    and it wasn't Schrieber, does this take place BEFORE that? I'm confused...

  • July 25, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    why Last Stand sucked

    by kungfuhustler84

    They killed of Scott Summers, the single greatest X-Man who represents everything they stood for. Forget Wolverine or Xavier, Cyclops really represented everything inherently good in the mutant community. The original casting, and his death at the beginning of the film just show that the creators of the movie really didn't understand the character at all, or know how to handle him. A good example of the right way is in Whedon's Astonishing x-men arc. They didn't even get close.

  • July 25, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    killed off*

    by kungfuhustler84

  • July 25, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I agree with HoboCode...

    by Jonas Grumpy

    X3 wasn't that bad. Then again, I'm old enough to remember those really awful late-'70s TV movies of Cap and Dr. Strange, and the early-'70s WONDER WOMAN with Cathy Lee Crosby. In the '80s, I made the mistake of renting HOWARD THE DUCK and SUPERMAN IV. The '90s brought us another CAPTAIN AMERICA, the first PUNISHER, GENERATION X and The Hoff's NICK FURY. I won't even mention BATMAN AND ROBIN. (Oops!) <BR><BR>I never saw Halle's CATWOMAN, Nic's GHOST RIDER, or the most recent PUNISHER. I enjoyed DAREDEVIL, but have stayed away from ELEKTRA. I liked bits and pieces of both FFs. The new HULK was great, but I also liked parts of Ang Lee's film. <BR><BR>By comparison, X3 wasn't bad at all. It's not the best X-Men movie by far, but it's nowhere near as bad as some of you make it out to be. Either that, or I was in an especially good mood the day I saw it, and those memories are clouding my judgment. Do with that info what you will.

  • July 25, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    BMW

    by Xiphos_2

    You are correct sir, Sabertooth was played by a Pro Wrestler named Taylor Mane in X1. You might remeber that Mr Mane when on to such dizzying cinematic hieghts by playing Michael Meyers in Rob Zombies remake from last year.<p> As far as I dope this here Wolverine movie out, its set before X1 dealing with Wolvies origin and weapon X program.

  • July 25, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    So, all opinions and ranting aside...

    by O_Goncho

    ...has the footage still yet to leak at all?

  • July 25, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    P.S.

    by O_Goncho

    Last Stand never happened. Singer is going to come back to Fox after Warner kick him out and retcon us up a proper X-Men 3 and then we'll all get laid.

  • July 25, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Deadpool

    by King Psyz

    Needs to have a face that looks like bubbly Cheddar before this film's end credits roll or it will be Monterey Jack shit

  • July 25, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Cool article

    by Aeghast

    I'd really love to see some Wolverine's footage

  • July 26, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    I saw Wolverine once

    by ebonic_plague

    It was some comicon or another, Philadelphia I think, my friends and I were sitting outside the convention center doors smoking as the con let out for the weekend, and out walked this stocky little guido lookin guy wearing jeans, a flannel shirt, and one of those leather jackets with the wool collar. He had the hair slicked back into "wings" like Logan, and he just lit a cigar and walked off. It was the most dead-on version of Wolverine I've ever seen, including Jackman's. And the best part was, as my friend said, he even looked pissed off!

  • July 26, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Can we get some descriptions of the footage at least?

    by YouAreAllMyBastardChildren

    Ya know, that 3 minutes of deftly cut together footage that changed your mind about this movie?! This shit is whack.

  • July 27, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    It finally leaked...

    by O_Goncho

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =FwDvyK02AYA A few days late, but whatever, catch it whilst you can.

  • July 28, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    watched the trailer on youtube

    by INWOsuxRED

    could just be the way the clip is filmed, but it only increases my fears on this one.