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More on that LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT story!!!

Published at: July 24, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST by headgeek

Hello Classic Film Enthusiasts, Harry Here - doing my best to call as much attention as humanly possible to this alleged print of LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT which was filed under THE HYPNOTIST and is apparently in an MGM vault waiting to be uncovered by someone from Time-Warner / Universal - SOMEONE that can preserve this miraculous hopeful discovery! Below is a letter from a fellow that is known to AICN - and is trusted and further corroborates the story details from THIS STORY regarding the discovery of the lost Holy Grail of Silent Cinema... LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT!!! Each day that there is not an official follow-up by the powers that be is a black mark on everyone involved in film restoration. This is a solid lead on LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT, somebody be the hero. Find the film. Restore it and bring it to us, the adoring masses that covet the work of Lon Chaney Sr.

Hello Harry, Drew - Drew, I met you at the DREAMS WITH SHARP TEETH screening last year. I work for Erik Nelson (GRIZZLYMAN, DREAMS WST, ENCOUNTERS AT THE END OF THE WORLD) and check the site about every half hour while at work. I read the linked, long article about LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT that Harry posted this morning. As I was reading, I saw the name "Lori DeWitt, tall, georgeous blond", and I thought - no, it can't be HER. Turns out that Lori is Erik Nelson's personal assistant (and she is tall, geourgeous, and incredibly kind and friendly). So I went and asked her if this Sid Terror guy who wrote the article was trustworthy and a straight up guy. She looked over the article, and completely vouched for his veracity and the details of the article, saying that he is a very honest and integritous fellow, and that if he says he saw the print, he really did. I notice on the talkbacks that some people are calling him and his article "opportunist" just to get his name out there, but it looks like he really did see what he saw. She still talks to him often and trusts his word. I hope his coming out helps find that print! anyway - thanks for the site - Patrick Martin

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  • July 24, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    second!

    by Prossor

    weee

  • July 24, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    AGAIN...I WANT to Believe

    by ProfGriffin

    Harry, you KNOW I want this to be true. But there's LOTS of talk about how things just don't jive. If he HELD the damn thing in his hands...why are just NOW hearing about it? If in 1989 he knew where it was...why does he wait until now to share?

  • July 24, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    I don't support Republican cinema.

    by Fawst

    Oh wait, LON CHANEY!<br><br> I kid, I kid! I've never seen anything with this guy in it. I'm not a silent film buff at all. But supposedly LOST cinema? That's pretty sweet. It's a hell of a story, I'd love for this to pan out for all y'all.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Cool, if this pans out...

    by palimpsest

    ...and while you're at it, Powers That Be, get all this stuff preserved and publicly accessible.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    It just doesn't make sense

    by ProfGriffin

    He knew where it was, (shelf number and row) and JUST NOW he starts to talk. He KNEW the importance of the find and he just walked away? Why? And reagardless...even if the story is true, it does not get us any closer to finding it. Just news that we ALMOST had it. And ooops. Gone. That actually makes me angrier.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    USE YOUR PULL AND CONTACTS HARRY!!!

    by Cannabis Holocaust

    Time to call up all your director buddies, Roger Ebert, other film sites, etc. And get the fucking word out. DO EVERYTHING IN YOUR FUCKING POWER TO FIND THIS MOVIE. I'm sure you already are though. Keep up the good work.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Cannabis Holocaust

    by HEADGEEK

    I'm working it - I own one of Lon Chaney's makeup boxes - trust me, I'm taking this very seriously.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by Balcony Fool

    The word you're looking for there is "corroborates," not "collaborates." Kudos to keeping after this story, and I hope you come up aces. I'm not a classic horror fan, but I'm all for the preservation of cinematic history. Hope you come up aces on this one.<P> balconyfool.wordpress.com

  • July 24, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Admit it Harry you've got more than that...

    by MCVamp

    You've got Lon Chaney's left eye preserved in a small jar within that makeup box. Each day you cannot obtain the print, its baleful gaze will not leave you be--even with the box closed.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    NO MORE!

    by thebearovingian

    For the love of God, no more! You're killin' me!

  • July 24, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Wolverine Trailer @ Con!!!!

    by mmaddox3

    It was badass ladies and gents badass. We see gambit its great shit.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Well fuck.

    by Knuckleduster

    Someone make it official already. Just knowing that it's in capable and reliable hands will make the wait more bearable.

  • July 24, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Harry how in the world did you get your hands on

    by Snookeroo

    Lon Chaney's makeup box?? And does Avon know about that?

  • July 24, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Holy Frijoles!!!!

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Please, for the love of the atheist God, let this be true and FIND THE DAMN PRINT!!!!!!!

  • July 24, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    holy shit!

    by alice 13

    wtf is the with the slacking on this?

  • July 24, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Let this film be seen!

    by ZombiKiller86

    This needs to be on national news. It's that important.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    ...if it's a hoax...

    by thethedew

    ...then this guy 'Sid Terror' has gone to some degree of trouble to carry it out. He's been a member of HorrorDrunx since May of this year, to a total of 221 posts in that time. Quite a bit of history to toss away on a prank, (but you guys who frequent these message boards probably know better than I do if that's typical for a hoaxer). The Post also was written and assembled quite nicely, some thought sure went into it. <p> But, aside from the obvious questions (re: why wait so along), I'm a little concerned at the timing of the posting; smack in the middle of ComicCon, where Harry, Drew or Bill Hunt are probably not going to be available to just pick up a phone and clear the matter up for us all. Kudos to Harry for finding the time anyway!

  • July 24, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Snookeroo

    by HEADGEEK

    Basically - I got it from Jack Pierce's Autobiographer.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Just don't expect another "Nosferatu", guys.

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Every information and opinion preserved about "London after Midnight" seems to state that it was a very average movie (one of the archivists posting on AMS even said harshly a few years ago that if it wasn't for its lost status, the film wouldn't even be remembered today.) <p> <p> Archivists' complaints aside, it is a very important find and obviously I will buy it for its significance (if it's all true, as hoaxes happen often in that field... remember last year's excitement over "4 Devils" at Criterion?), just as I bought Edison's Frankenstein - but as far as pure film experience goes, I'm not expecting the level of excitement I'd feel if I sat down to watch e.g. a discovered complete cut of "Greed", personally. <p> <p> Anyway, let us now seek and find some of those really unknown lost horrors, like "Dracula's Death" or "Vampires of Warsaw"...

  • July 24, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    By the way, get Roger Ebert indeed.

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Or Leonard Maltin - he'll open everyone's door if he carps at them long enough with his voice! <p> Seriously, though, Ebert's a great idea.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    harry do something

    by pcassou

    I'm not a big fan of classics movies, here in mexico if you didnt live in the 3 big cities 20 years ago you couldnt be a geek, thats why i love the internet. Would love to watch this, and the metrpplis print, does anyone remember what was the last thing that was said about it?

  • July 24, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Series7

    For the new restoration of Metropolis. Hopefully this movie is just as cool.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Some sobering discussion

    by wash

    A lot of skeptical people over at the Classic Film Horror Board:<br> http://tinyurl.com/5eaurk

  • July 24, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    most intresting point from the CFHB

    by wash

    A poster over there says makes a great point: <br><br> "A couple people have said that Warner/Turner were not interested in this "discover". If they weren't interested in finding the most sought after film in history then why on Earth would they spend money on that reconstruction a few years ago?"

  • July 24, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    one more

    by wash

    The comment I posted above was posted by Michael Blake, who's the author of several books about Chaney.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I want to believe too..

    by Circean6

    but than again I also wanted to believe the Orson Wells/Batman gag several years ago...

  • July 24, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Sid Terror is lying

    by HugePrawn

    Sid states that he has permission to reprint a statement from his friend Ted Newsome. To me this means the statement was written by Ted, in his own words, and that Sid just copied the statement into his post.<br><br> But<br><br> Look at the way Sid writes. His style. It is almost the same as his “friend” Ted Newsome who corroborates his story. They both OVER hyphenate words (SID = Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, one-of-a-kind, life-long, motion-picture / TED = long-since, thirty-foot, inter-negative, two-reelers, voice-mail.) There are a bunch more. Look for them in both persons writing.<br><br> Another punctuation character both Sid and Ted share is the use of the “double dash” to separate a long running sentence. Example, Sid writes, “In the days of 1927 through 1930, new sound productions- - often remakes of the silent classics- - were announced”. Then Ted writes, “The database itself does not date back very far—the late 1980s.” There are a ton of more “double dashs” they both use them the same way: no space after the word, double dash, space, then word.<br><br> There are other similarities in grammar and the way they both tell a story.<br><br> I believe they were both written by the same person. If that is true then the story is a fake.<br><br> I personally believe Sid is out to stir the pot so to speak. It’s clear that he has a passion for old horror movies and very knowledgeable in the realm of classics and film, but it’s also clear the dude wants to associate himself with “big name” people and plant himself in the industry. His bio on his profile reads like someone that is desperate to fit in and be a part of things. I think he is lying about finding London After Midnight. The excuse that he didn’t want to lose his job doesn’t ring true. If he had taken the film canisters out of the building and called the media he would be called a hero, not lose his job. He would go doen in history as the guy who found London After Midnight. His name would be synonymous with the movie. And judging by how much he loves these films and wants to desperately to be associated with them, I don’t see him passing this opportunity by….if it really did happen.<br><br> -Erik

  • July 24, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Great....

    by Cagliostro

    Now if someone could just find the missing "Pool" scene from Night of Dark Shadows and fully restore that I'd be most appreciative.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    yeah, I'm coming around to the hoax side

    by wash

    If anyone at the studios is going to move on this it's only after "Sid" makes himself more available. "Sid" is conveniently unable to answer any communications until next week.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    forgotten silver anyone?

    by g-ride9000

  • July 24, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Not convinced

    by ByTor

    A lot of holes in the story (see the thread on the CFHB for details). <P> Assuming this is a hoax, it's really sad...and what is more, it makes everyone skeptical when something really does show up.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    M-O-O-N. That spells hoax.

    by Tom Cullen

    I don't believe it, it just sounds like a conveniently timed, too good to be true, megahoax, so not exactly gonna get my hopes up here. That said, there's nothing I'd like more than to be wrong, and for this to turn out to be true. We'll see I guess.<p>M-O-O-N. That spells London After Midnight.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Most silent film fans know it still exists

    by Mgmax

    http://www.michaelgebert.com/lam/lam1.html

  • July 24, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    i dont know anything about this movie

    by Mr_X

    but of all the "industry" type people who visit this site, one of you fuckers cant use a computer to find a film left on a shelf? seems a bit silly really. pull your finger out lads and get it done.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Whether he's trustworthy or not...

    by FilmFanatik

    ...it seems like a solid lead. I home someone follows up on it and finds it.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    By the way, if it all were true...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    ...then the easiest way to interest an executive in it would be to say "It's a horror movie that you could remake for cheap!"

  • July 24, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    If it's true,Lori DeWitt is an idiot

    by Trazadone

    Seriously, why would he walk away from such a find and then tell people about it years later? Wouldn't you alert people IMMEDIATELY if you found this? It doesn't make any sense. Either he's lying or he's just dumb.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Harry...

    by TheBigLebowsky

    Reading the article of Sid Terror, I see that the print is not in a MGM vault anymore, but must have been transfered to U.C.L.A. to be preserved, as have been all nitrate films. That's where you have to look...

  • July 24, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Trazadone...

    by TheBigLebowsky

    Lori DeWitt is a woman. She is the daughter of the woman who located the print in the first place. The name of the guy (or pseudonym I should say) is Sid Terror.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    London After Midnight

    by Abdul_Alhazred

    The holy grail of lost films...well, right along with the Georges Méliès stuff he destroyed. Think anyone, anywhere will ever again will see The Merry Frolics of Satan or The Conquest of The Pole? Probably not, but if we can see Chaney's London After Midnight, it would be a rare, rare treat indeed.

  • July 25, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    "Jack Pierce's autobiographer"

    by BruceVain

    ... would be Jack Pierce, logically speaking.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    If this turns out to be bullshit then I'm gonna...

    by alucardvsdracula

    Put wires in my eyeballs, grind down my teeth and find these people and kill each and every one of them. So, you've been warned. Find this fucker and fast or else.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Warner, care?

    by landosystem

    Warner have outsourced all their restoration to India, if that tells you anything about how much they care about film...

  • July 25, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Thomas G. Aylesworth's...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...old scholastic books dealing with movie monsters -- anyone else remember those? I ate that shit up back in the 1970s when I was a kid. Even then I was fascinated by London After Midnight and the whole idea and mystique of a "lost" film. <p> I want to believe this, but it's sounding more and more like a hoax. The very notion that an old horror movie fan would keep shtumm about a find like that for so many years simply doesn't ring true, no matter how many people vouch for the guy. I'll remain open-minded about this for a while, but I'm not getting my hopes up. <p> I'm guessing that when a print finally is found, it will be in some private collection in another country.

  • July 25, 2008, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Bruce Vain

    by HEADGEEK

    True - and the second I hit post - I wished I'd had an edit button on this worthless site. But nobody will listen to me.

  • July 25, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    First METROPOLIS now LAM...

    by JIMBOCOP

    ...all I need is the Spider scene from King Kong and an HD print of DEATH OF A NATION and I'll be a happy man!

  • July 25, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    SOMEONE IS LYING!!

    by Pacino86845

    The original dude said Lori Dewitt died in the early nineties!!

  • July 25, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Never mind...

    by Pacino86845

    Just realized the original dude was talking about Lori's mom... but I still bet someone is lying...

  • July 25, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    How great would it be...

    by Blue_Demon

    If this film finally did get re-released and none other than Forry Ackerman gets to see it again?! Come on man, just for him! He's not getting any younger. I don't know why this is bugging me so much.<p>Do whatever you have to do Harry. Favors, threats, you name it. We can take up a collection to bail you out big guy.

  • July 25, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    If there ever was a complete print of this film stored...

    by subtlety

    The gods seems to have conspired so that we'd never find it. I must say, I have my doubts about this story, even if a couple people will vouch for the guy. I mean, the real interesting thing is that the story does make SENSE -- that the film is simply archieved in a place where no one who is in a position to know what it is would think to look for it. Filed under an alternate title... now owned by a different company... marked as "incomplete"... it would add up that even something that important could be lost (it also explains how even though certain people know its value, as evidenced by spending money on the stills-reconstruction, those particular people may not be in a position to know a print is still archieved). Still, the fact that just before he printed the article, the film mysteriously moved to some new unkown location raises all kinds of red flags. The long delay in reporting on it, the conveniently non-verifiable nature of this claim.... all adds up to making this seem about a credible as "I personally saw an Alien corpse while I was working in Hanger 18." Hey, maybe you did man, but you got to give us a little more to go on than a long (and suspiciously autobiographical) unverifiable (though not inconcievable) tale. On the other hand, even if its a hoax, I'm greatful to the guy for bringing the name "London After Midnight" back into the limelight and getting people interested in looking for it. I'm in Harry's camp on this one... I'd sell a kidney or two on the black market to take a look at this on the big screen... whatever the movie is in its content, it means a lot to me in its history.

  • July 25, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    I had a bad copy of this on VHS

    by Dick Bahls

    This can't be that rare as I had a copy (very bad though) on tape. I have to check as I may have taped over it with one of George Lucas' fine smaller artistic projects of years ago, such as "Dead Ewoks: Caravan of Carnage", "Willblow", or "Phucker: A Man & His Cream".

  • July 25, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Actually it is joeelliot

    by wash

    And you are woefully uniformed or lying.

  • July 25, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    uninformed*

    by wash

  • July 25, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks, HugePrawn

    by epevensie

    I'm not buying any of this...

  • July 25, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Gotta admit...

    by digitalcos

    I bought into it as I read it last night. But then this morning, in the harsh light of day, really thinking about it, Uh, no sir, I call shinanigins.

  • July 25, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Lon Chaney

    by kungfuhustler84

    is an acting legend in my book. So when can I finally own this fucking movie?

  • July 25, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    and Harry!!!!

    by kungfuhustler84

    what's keeping you from that edit button? Is there some weird web site installation problem? Do you not trust us?

  • July 25, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    my post has disappeared...

    by emeraldboy

    odd

  • July 25, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    This 'discovery' would make a movie in itself!

    by Ray Gamma

    Go on, somebody make a movie out of this guy's tale about how he discovered this long lost movie. </P> <P>The climax of the movie could be this point when Aint It Cool News gets on it and campaigns for the restoration and re-release. And then the tiny bit that appears after the end credits could be a scene where Leonardo DiCaprio plays me, Ray Gamma, typing this message on the AICN forum.

  • July 25, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Dubious

    by donkey_lasher

    Like a previous poster has already stated, the article seems to have been written by just one man...the style of it seems just too similar and I have my doubts. I'm no great fan of Lon Chaney, as I have never seen any of his films but I do recognise his talent. If this film IS still out there, then you'd think that it would have been found by now what with Nitrate film restoration being big business since the 60's. What I'm really waiting for is the rediscovery of Hat's Off. A true classic.

  • July 25, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Film Foundataion?

    by filmfanatic1

    Here's another place to enlist some help; the Film Foundation is into preservation and they have some pull; contact info is: http://tinyurl.com/5n6rlo

  • July 26, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Who Is Sid Terror and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things Abo

    by Frank Leonidas

    There seems to be a lot of Sturm und Drang regarding all of this over on the Horror Drunx message board. There seems to be two camps: the skeptics and the true believers. Despite how I don't "believe" in anything except death and taxes, there are still too many little deus ex machinas in this story to be even remotely credible. Mr. Terror wrote he was employed by a company out of Los Angeles called "Cinema Delivery Service" in the late eighties. He must have assumed we all know what this job entailed because he never bothers to tell us exactly what he did for them. Okay, let's all use our heads and assume he was a courier for film cans and the like. Still, Mr. Terror bores us to death with his entire life story up to and including his fateful return to Hollywood in the late eighties yet he leaves out all of the details surrounding the job that put him in contact with his very own "Holy Grail", the lost film of London After Midnight? Now, being as how I don't know what a person who works for a company like Cinema Delivery Service actually does, am I just to assume that a delivery boy would have readily available on him a pair of rubber gloves, a film magnifying loop and a sharpie on a routine delivery run? I guess Mr. Terror was carrying those items with him as a part of one of his "clandestine research missions" he conducted after his "regular work hours." It's a good thing he didn't leave his sharpie in his other trousers that fateful day. It appears as if Mr. Terror is a very intelligent man but in the almost fifty years after the film's supposed demise does he honestly expect me to believe that he was the only person who has ever conducted a successful search using an "alternate title" for the most talked-about, well-known and infamous "lost" silent film in cinema history? Furthermore, it appears to me that Mr. Terror is hinting at a massive plot to hide or withhold the film from public exhibition. If this is true, why would it just be sitting in there where a courier could come in, open the actual film cans, handle the precious nitrate by hand and then mark the cans with a sharpie when he was done? I know, I know, hiding in plain sight, right? I like Raiders of the Lost Ark too but this ain't the Ark of the Covenant and that was just a movie. Lastly, I suppose what Mr. Terror is saying is that everyone in the film business associated with the companies he mentions (MGM, Turner, etc.) or at least all of the folks who have been associated with the discovery of this "lost" gem over the course of half a lifetime were simply too ignorant or uniformed to know what they had sitting right there under their noses all that time. Could Mr. Terror be a Clifford Irving for our times? Hard to say. I think in the last 72 hours he's gotten all the exposure he needs as it is. Well, I guess if the film turns up in the next couple weeks we'll have our answer to that question. If it doesn't, there's always next year.

  • July 26, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    by MonsterKid

    2-to-1 when Sid Terror (real name Robert P. Yeomans) resurfaces and gives his explanation why he waited 20 years to say something it'll be along the lines of "I knew no one would believe me, but then I found the story that Ted Newsom posted on the classic horror film board that corroborated my own." I just think it's odd that after 20 years this story surfaces not terribly long after Sid Terror posted a few times on the CHFB. C'mon people, when you build a story and want to make it believable, you surround it with enough truth that the lie becomes plausible. I'd wager that almost everything in Sid Terror's story is probably true, but I'm not buying the bushwa about fondling the film canisters containing a print of London After Midnight. The last time someone watched LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT was in the early 1950s when William K. Everson and David Bradly screened the MGM print.

  • July 26, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Now I've sobered up....

    by donkey_lasher

    ...and read it all again I'm even more convinced this is a hoax. And not even a very good one.

  • July 26, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    This story is still up?

    by WhoDis

    Wouldn't this have been solved by now? Let it go.

  • July 26, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    You've been hoaxed Harry

    by wash

    That should be pretty obvious by now.

  • July 26, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    London After Noon Delight

    by bunkyboo

    Rubbin' blood and fangs make the sparks ignite And the thought of findin' you is gettin' so exciting Archivists in flight- London After Midnight A-A-After Mid-id-night!

  • July 26, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    A few observations ...

    by VoldemortWearsPrada

    1) OK, so silent film discoveries of this sort aren't unknown - for example, the lost Rudolph Valentino/Gloria Swanson `Beyond the Rocks' a few years back 2) ... however, these are almost ALWAYS found in private collections or in foreign archives. The idea that it would lying around - at MGM ITSELF no less - mislabeled by some archivist who `doesn't know' the regular length of silent films ... it just stretches credibility. 3) Surely if MGM had it they would have put it on their Lon Chaney box set of a few years back (missing reel or otherwise) rather than the reconstruction they included instead? I mean - heck, why sit on something that could be making money for you? 4) Speaking of credibility - if this guy wants to be taken seriously, framing the whole thing with that phony piece of crap about kissing up to the receptionist, meeting her pretty blonde daughter years later, etc, etc - it's not helping his cause. Conclusion: my mind's open, but I'm not optimistic.

  • July 26, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Once again I must cry:

    by theJackalope

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  • July 27, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Whether Sid's claims are true or not...

    by xavier masterson

    ..someone should explain to Mort Daddy( apparently the founder of the message board this originated from)that yelling "Prove us Wrong!" while banning people that that are bringing up inconsistencies in Sid's story isn't exactly doing Sid any favors.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Xavier

    by PaulW

    Yeah, I totally agree with you and I came to the same conclusions yesterday. Mort Daddy banned the most vocal skeptic even though he was totally civil and making solid claims. I put up some posts myself there yesterday explaining the fallacy of the "prove us wrong" idea as well as calling him out for banning a person who was providing some good civil debate. Mort immediately deleted my posts. The tone of my posts were toally civil by the way. I want to believe Sid is on the level though I remain on the fence due lack of evidence. I agree that Mort isn't doing much to help Sid.

  • July 27, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Mort is a fucking douchbag

    by wash

    Prove me wrong.

  • July 27, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Hate to say it, Harry...

    by subtlety

    But it looks like you've been had. A lot of people have been paying attention to this all week and... no news whatsoever. Or are you keeping this up because you HAVE heard something?

  • July 27, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Another Sid Terror claim is debunked.

    by MonsterKid

    The boys at the CHFB (http://tinyurl.com/5eaurk)have been digging hard. On Sid Terror's yuku progile he claims he's the great-grandson of Max Schreck (which he spells wrong), the German actor who played Graf Orlok in Nosferatu. One of the CHFB silent movie experts who lives in Germany points out that Max Schreck and his wife Fanny had no kids, "biological or adopted."

  • July 27, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Terror's profile

    by MonsterKid

    Here's a tinyurl link to Sid Terror's yuku profile: http://tinyurl.com/678bhp

  • July 27, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Hey MonsterKid

    by PaulW

    Thanks for the CHFB link. That thread has made for some great reading. The people there really seem to know their stuff and I have found their writing to be very sensible. From what I have read there have been a bunch of people who have been banned from the HorrorDrunx site and many posts have been deleted (not just mine). Mort is trying to eliminate the most damning criticism right now.

  • July 27, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I'm tired of this

    by theJackalope

    bullshit. Could we please move on to the next hoax? How 'bout the guy who found a print of the lost RKO serial "Daredevil Nitwits" starring Wheeler & Woolsey?

  • July 27, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Call UCLA and resolve this

    by BigGuy219

    This is a film archive at a respected university. According to the story, that is where it is if it's true. Seems like one phone call and the situation is resolved. Why didn't they call BEFORE going public? That bothers me.

  • July 28, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Has Harry learned anything since?

    by christian66

    Seems to crazy to post two stories on this with NO follow-up. Certainly everybody in town has read this by now...

  • July 28, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Sid Terror is back

    by donkey_lasher

    ..and he is insisting that he is right and everyone is wrong. The way these people are conducting themselves is a little too hostile. The latest post is basically a Ten Commandments style edict on how things are going to work.

  • July 28, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    So Sid is back...

    by subtlety

    With a big long (and incredibly patronizing) list which includes the things people aren't allowed to ask him about, and what the conversation will entail. I guess I'd be a little pissed too if I'd been called a liar and opportunist so many times, but damn, he sure isn't making it any easier for people to believe him. Especially since this matter could have been cleared up with a few phone calls, which I suspect have already been made numerous times. It's been a week now... and no news. His story does sound remotely plausible, and its nice to have some confirmation that at least Lori finds him credible, but... <br>but man, as I said before, if there is a grain of truth to this thing, the gods seem to have willed that no one would ever believe it. And Sid (and Mort)ain't helping by being such Nazis about polite skepticism (especially skepticism by people who have already done a little legwork to see if there's anything to the claim). Let's have a little more investigation, rather than telling everyone that if they either believe (despite a week with no new evidence whatsoever) or they're not entitled to speak. <br>And hey - I'd love for this to be true. By all means, investigate! But I think people probably already have by this point, and we're hearing... nothing at all. Not even an encouraging sign. Come on, Sid, you've come this far, now you gotta give people something more than a story.

  • July 28, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    And yeah...

    by subtlety

    Knowing what he know, Sid definitely could have resolved this issue himself before going public with his story. It might have taken an extra month or so just to be absolutely sure, but if he's pissed people don't believe him, well shit, he decided to create a huge ruckus without any proof. What did he think was going to happen? Seems like he had come far enough by this point to just go ahead and find the truth before telling the world. <br> BTW, has anyone here personally called UCLA or the other pleaces? If so, post and let us know if there's anything at all to this.

  • July 28, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Sid needed to stand above the fray

    by PaulW

    After some heavy skepicism I can understand a little bit why Sid is lashing out at everyone. Unfortunately, he doesn't help his case much by acting this way. This might have been difficult to achieve but I think he needed to stay cool, calm, collected, and professional. A small paragraph urging a continued search and a few points addressing the skepicism would have been enough in the absence of additional evidence. Unfortunately, he has gotten emotional and flipped out. This generally happens when you know you have been reduced to being on the defensive. A few days ago I came to the conclusion that Mort_Daddy was ironically Sid's worst enemy. I now believe that Sid is Sid's worst enemy. I hope he is right about LAM and that it can be found but I have lost faith in the messengers. I am in agreement with the previous several posts.

  • July 28, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Kane You Believe It?

    by Frank Leonidas

    Look, when the one guy you need to back you up essentially says you're full of crap (Ted Newsom, the guy who sometime around 2002 apparently found the corrected entry Terror made in the database twenty years ago minus the "section, row and shelf number" in Mr. Terror's claim) and that's the only source other than yourself you have to trust...we're done. It's over. And I don't think any of us really care about Mr. Terror's life story, who he dated, who he broke up with but still keeps in touch with, etc. It still doesn't prove he found anything and neither does acting like a petulant five year old with internet access who doesn't get his way. Did the woman Terror claims helped him exist? Didn't she exist? (she supposedly died before Mr. Terror could break his story) Who cares? The only guy who could probably answer that question for you is semi-retired (Dick May) and in his mid-seventies and according to some trusted sources he doesn't give a crap about this laughably juvenile exhibition either. If you want to help preserve film history -- become a FILM ARCHIVIST, not a rock star. Seriously folks, if you want a very humble opinion based on this story and want to know what you can do to help: ignore it. If London After Midnight is genuinely found one day it will be a revelation -- and it will more than likely have nothing to do with anyone reading this. Lastly, if this guy truly wanted to concoct a story worth telling, he should have read this: http://www.mardecortesbaja.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/1/3612016.html That should explain the title of this post. It beats the hell out of anything I've read all week.

  • July 28, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Kane You Believe It? LINK

    by Frank Leonidas

    try copying and pasting this: http://www.mardecortesbaja.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/1/3612016.html

  • July 28, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    by Frank Leonidas

    you'll need to delete that little space at the end between the 0 and the 1. Trust me, it will be worth it!

  • July 28, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    by Frank Leonidas

    last try: http://tinyurl.com/6ldjtz

  • July 28, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    by Frank Leonidas

    That last one seemed to do the trick!

  • July 28, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Dealing with "Sid Terror"

    by BigGuy219

    After reviewing the original story and the way “Sid Terror” and “Mort Daddy” have reacted in the wake of logical criticism, it is now safe to assume we are dealing with self-centered individuals seeking publicity in the wake of the news regarding the recovery of the lost METROPOLIS footage. It would seem that this was nothing more than an elaborate backstory to a claim made by “Ted Newsom” previously. Please understand that I am not claiming that “Ted Newsom” was involved in this hoax. Enough criticism has been leveled to puncture numerous holes in the original story and rather than address them, they have chosen to delete them and conduct a cover up. Their only response, resembling something you might hear in Kindergarten, is “prove us wrong.” The claim is twenty years ago “Sid Terror” saw LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT in a film archive and the only person he notified in the facility, who he did not show the film to incidentally, is now deceased. The claim has been written in such a way that if the film were not found in the UCLA Film Archives it could easily be said “it was moved,” “it was stolen,” or some other excuse. As they can offer no proof he was “right,“ we can of course offer no proof that he was “wrong.“ This is a classic internet hoax. The problem I have with this is that it hurts film preservation. Because their claim reached the likes of Harry Knowles at AintItCoolNews, countless people in the industry were contacted about this alleged claim. The professionals contacted about this story are obviously annoyed and are now less likely to believe someone if and when it is ever found. This is unacceptable. For the sake of film preservation this cannot be allowed. “Sid Terror” has encouraged us all to search for LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT, but only a small handful of us has access to a film archive or industry contacts and therefore useless in the search. However, we do have access to the internet, telephones, and other resources. Therefore, I propose the following. We devote our time to finding “Sid Terror.” We find his real name, his telephone number, his cell phone number, his address, the names and information on members of his family and loved ones. We post this information wherever we can in the same way he posted the contact information of the film archivists at UCLA. We cannot let this deed go unpunished. In short, I want the next person who considers orchestrating a hoax like this to shudder in “Terror” of ending up like “Sid.”

  • July 28, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I look in the mirror--

    by Ted Newsom

    -- and see me, not Sid Terror. I get a kick out of being described as a figment of someone's literary fantasies on the basis of em-dashes, but I understand the suspicion. Here's the poopscoop, guys: I've never met Sid; he pm'd be through the CHFB to ask if he could excerpt posts I'd made ages back on LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT within his story. I said sure. I know my part of the tale is true, but I've always couched it in ambiguous terms. The listing in the MGM database when I worked for the company in 2002 was an anomaly: a title 9THE HYPNOTIST aka LONDON AFTER MIDNIGHT) with no specifics: no description, no vault location (there are a score of them in the LA area, as many in Jersey, more in Rome & London, more in Japana and China, and even Kansas.) , no location within the vault, and no description of the "assets," i.e., "4 reels, 35mm nitrate, b/w," or "2 reels, 16mm reversal, color," or whatever. Just the title. And I have always said that it COULD have been entered as a film-buff gag. However, I scanned through the 7 or 10,000 other MGM titles in that d/b and found no other "gags" like GREED, 24 reels, 35mm negative," or anything. And I did call the Turner company AT THE TIME (since MGM/UA did not have the rights, nor did I have any idea where this would-be asset might be) and told them, 'I think you've got this in one of your facilities." They shrugged and said, "Yeah, and it's going to be on TV next Thursday." "No, that's a photo recreation. I'm talking about the real movie." "Oh. Uh-huh. Okay, thanks. I'll tell someone." And I just said to hell with it. So-- despite the em-dashes-- I really am not Sid error. Andif you'd poke around on the net, you'll find my LAM story a number of places that predate this whole mishegosh by months or years: Latarnia, Scarlet Street, CHFB, and, who knows where else.

  • July 29, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Ted N

    by PaulW

    Only a few people have made the accusation. The vast majority of people (judging from the many posts I have read on various sites), have never considered you to be Sid. Other than the em-dash thing I have found you to be in tone and style pretty different from Sid.

  • July 29, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    So Harry... zero hour.

    by subtlety

    Is there anything to this or not? Give us an update or let us off the hook already!

  • July 29, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Hmm

    by donkey_lasher

    This is a fascinating story to me, I'm no silent film buff but in the past I have felt sorrow for hearing of a films destruction, and I think Harry perhaps should give us more updates (even if no news, or perhaps his opinion on this since the story broke). I think he has been looking into it however, but must now be having his doubts) Ted's posts have now been removed from the Horrordrunx topic, and while I can't say for certain if his words are true or not, this is starting to sound very odd. The credibility of that site is now shot. Please Harry, make a statement?

  • July 29, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    My theory has been proven right...

    by HugePrawn

    In my previous post I made the observation that, it seemed like the direct copied quotes from Ted Newsom were written by Sid Terror. Looks like I was right. "Ted's" portion of the story that Sid wrote are now GONE!<br><br> Funny how that worked - this story got so much heat that Sid's lies caught up to him. I don't have anything personally against Sid (how could I? I don't even know the dude), but I find his character to be in question. This whole deal leaves a bad taste in the mouth.<br><br> Even Sid's "10 commandments" retort reeks of a guy that is in over his head and is scared of being found out. Unfortunately he has denial and unconformable events on his side. But one thing I'm sure of.....if London After Midnight was out there, it would have been found by now. And that is too bad, cause I would really love to see it.<br><br> -Erik

  • July 29, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    MOM'S BASEMENT AFTER MIDNIGHT

    by FlyingToupee

    That's where Sid Terror thought up his grand hoax. Too bad it blew up in his face. Well, I'm sure he'll try again. Next time he can say he found the missing twenty minutes from BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN in his great grandpappy's attic(next to all of his NOSFERATU mementoes).

  • July 30, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Why do I get the feeling...

    by MonsterKid

    that we'll see no further official comment from AICN on this subject?

  • July 30, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Oy... It's looking very ugly on Horror Drunx!

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Are they going to ban everyone who questions this story? Oh, and if you're the Ted Newsom who made Cinemaker, just wanted to say I loved it!

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Paul T. Ryan is my new best friend.

    by Ted Newsom

    He may be one of 8 people in the world who saw CINEMAKER! (Thanks, Paul. I try. And, yes, I'm the same guy.)

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    horrorcirklejerkz

    by wash

    Now that they've banned pretty much everyone off their site, it's just a handful of people posting now. They claim they've banned all the dissenters because they weren't contributing, but I don't see what their little jerk fest they're having is going to accomplish.