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Whedon Shoots NewDOLLHOUSE Pilot!!
I am – Hercules!!
The original "Dollhouse" pilot will now become the second "Dollhouse" episode.
Do-overs almost the norm with Joss Whedon, who saw two pilots produced for "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and two more for "Firefly."
Whedon, mastermind of the coming midseason Fox scifi action comedy-drama “Dollhouse,” posts on his fansite Whedonesque:
Welcome (back) to the Dollhouse.
A New Pilot? A New Hope? A Prequel? A Nyquil? What's the skinny on DOLLHOUSE and why doesn't this link to anything?
Hi guys. Well, it’s been an eventful week. While all of you have been enjoying (and in some cases, suddenly NOT enjoying) our adorable little musical romp “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog” (exclusively available on iTunes!) (And I lied about some people not enjoying it!) I’ve been busying myself with a little something I like to call DOLLHOUSE. Finishing a new episode. Finishing a new… here’s the headline… FIRST episode.
What’s that, you say? A second first? How can such a thing be? Does it defy the laws of all physics? Well, I sat down with Rutherford D. Actualperson to do a quick Q&A and give you all the skinny on the progress of my new series (Available on iTunes at some point one would assume!)
Rutherford D. Actualperson: Joss. You are a legend in the industry, and your forehead is a normal size proportionate to your face. Tell me about the idea behind doing a new first episode. Didn’t you already shoot one?
Joss: Yes, Ruhthie, I did. And it was grand, simply grand.
R.D.A: Then why shoot another? Also, your teeth are whitish.
Joss: I said it was grand, I didn’t say it was comprehensible. I showed some scenes to David Lynch and he’s all, “whuh?” Bad sign. But I kid.
The fact is, I’m very proud of the ep we shot and the series is making me crazy with the excitement. But I tend to come at things sideways, and there were a few clarity issues for some viewers. There were also some slight issues with tone – I was in a dark, noir kind of place (where, as many of you know, I make my home), and didn’t bring the visceral pop the network had expected from the script. The network was cool about it, but not sure how to come out of the gate with the ep.
R.D.A.: So they made you do another. It’s Firefly all over again! Run! For the love of God, HE’S CALLING FROM THE HOUSE!!!
Joss: Wow. Good panic.
R.D.A.: I try. But I am genuinely concerned. Also your smooth skin and elegant hands are making me bi-curious.
Joss: Well, the idea to do a new first episode wasn’t the network’s. It was mine. I understood their consternation, and saw the gap between my style and their expectations, and I suggested I shoot a new ep and make the one I’d shot the second. It isn’t going to be buried, like the pilot of Firefly. It’s simply coming after another, slightly cleaner ep. And because unlike Firefly, it isn’t a two hour epic which introduces everyone to each other, the onus isn’t on the new ep to explain a million things.
The fact is, Fox ordered the series before we shot a frame and then, after the strike, I had literally two months to write and prep the whole thing. Which means simply that the network has to figure out what they might want to tweak AFTER it was shot, unlike a pilot. Buffy didn’t make the fall sched, Angel got shut down when they saw the second ep outline… it’s birth pangs. The network truly gets the premise (this is a whole new crew, as you know), loves the cast, is excited about the show – but they’re also specific about how they want to bring people to the show and I not only respect that, I kinda have to slap my forehead that I didn’t tailor my tone and structure to the network’s needs, since that’s something I pride myself on.
R.D.A.: You’re not just being the good soldier?
Joss: We both know from years of experience that I’m a crap soldier, though I am an accomplished fan-dancer. No, this is a very cold look at what’s going on, and it’s not an Us vs Them. The truth is, I’m in love with this world, and I don’t care how people get into it. I have a million things to say about (and through) all of these characters, and I don’t mind which ones I say first. I think I just turned in a pretty cool pilot script. [Editor’s note: that means someone TOLD him THEY thought it was cool. He has no judgement of his own. This is sad, but on the plus side, it was probably one of his writers, who actually ARE cool. So rest easy.]
R.D.A.: So what does this mean for production?
Joss: We’ve pushed an extra few days so I can prep this bitch within an inch of its life, i.e., read it once more.
R.D.A.: But how will this affect the foundation of the very turning of our precious earth, and by that I mean Comiccon?
Joss: Yeah. Unfortunately, we won’t have a new teaser to show, since we’ll start shooting after the con. People will have to settle for chatting with Eliza and Tahmoh. But they’re likeable folk. (Sadly, Tahmoh only speaks Canadian, though he has a lovely translator at his side, like Isabella Rosselini in “White Nights”.) We’ll still rock the panel, but showing clips is kind of a tradition, so my emoticon doth frown.
R.D.A.: And the first first episode?
Joss: I’ll reshoot a few scenes, but it’ll basically air as is. When I was given seven episodes, I referred to them as “the Seven Pilots”, ‘cause you always have to lay out the premise one way or another in those early eps. So instead of Grumpy, this particular episode will be Sneezy. (Seriously. Eliza fights POLLEN! Sooo sexy.)
R.D.A.: So Eliza’s still a different character every week?
Joss: Often several.
R.D.A: And in the Dollhouse, the amazing-looking facility where all the beautiful people whose memories have been wiped live in a state of unselfconscious innocence, the showers are co-ed? [Editor’s note: the showers are co-ed?]
Joss: The showers are co-ed. [Editor’s note: HOT damn.]
R.D.A.: So nothing of substance has been changed. Shower-wise.
Joss: You are a sad, lonely actual man, Actualman.
R.D.A.: So true, so true. Thank you for talking/fan-dancing to me. Anything else you’d like to add?
Joss: Available exclusively on iTunes! Oh. About Dollhouse? Only that it’s going to be a funhouse ride of excitement, fear, existential angst and co-ed showers. That I love it. Love the writers, love the cast, and already blissfully live in the strange, compelling world of the removable self. Hmm. When I pitched it to Eliza, she said “My God, it’s my life!” But after that sentence, I think maybe it’s mine.
R.D.A.: I guess we’ll have to wait till January to see what you’ve cooked up.
Joss: And I’ll probably keep cooking till the moment I serve.
R.D.A.: Would you hold me?
Joss: Yes, Ruhthie. Yes I will.
[Editor’s note in Strongbad’s voice: IT’S OVER!]
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A New Pilot? A New Hope? A Prequel? A Nyquil? What's the skinny on DOLLHOUSE and why doesn't this link to anything?
Hi guys. Well, it’s been an eventful week. While all of you have been enjoying (and in some cases, suddenly NOT enjoying) our adorable little musical romp “Dr. Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog” (exclusively available on iTunes!) (And I lied about some people not enjoying it!) I’ve been busying myself with a little something I like to call DOLLHOUSE. Finishing a new episode. Finishing a new… here’s the headline… FIRST episode.
What’s that, you say? A second first? How can such a thing be? Does it defy the laws of all physics? Well, I sat down with Rutherford D. Actualperson to do a quick Q&A and give you all the skinny on the progress of my new series (Available on iTunes at some point one would assume!)
Rutherford D. Actualperson: Joss. You are a legend in the industry, and your forehead is a normal size proportionate to your face. Tell me about the idea behind doing a new first episode. Didn’t you already shoot one?
Joss: Yes, Ruhthie, I did. And it was grand, simply grand.
R.D.A: Then why shoot another? Also, your teeth are whitish.
Joss: I said it was grand, I didn’t say it was comprehensible. I showed some scenes to David Lynch and he’s all, “whuh?” Bad sign. But I kid.
The fact is, I’m very proud of the ep we shot and the series is making me crazy with the excitement. But I tend to come at things sideways, and there were a few clarity issues for some viewers. There were also some slight issues with tone – I was in a dark, noir kind of place (where, as many of you know, I make my home), and didn’t bring the visceral pop the network had expected from the script. The network was cool about it, but not sure how to come out of the gate with the ep.
R.D.A.: So they made you do another. It’s Firefly all over again! Run! For the love of God, HE’S CALLING FROM THE HOUSE!!!
Joss: Wow. Good panic.
R.D.A.: I try. But I am genuinely concerned. Also your smooth skin and elegant hands are making me bi-curious.
Joss: Well, the idea to do a new first episode wasn’t the network’s. It was mine. I understood their consternation, and saw the gap between my style and their expectations, and I suggested I shoot a new ep and make the one I’d shot the second. It isn’t going to be buried, like the pilot of Firefly. It’s simply coming after another, slightly cleaner ep. And because unlike Firefly, it isn’t a two hour epic which introduces everyone to each other, the onus isn’t on the new ep to explain a million things.
The fact is, Fox ordered the series before we shot a frame and then, after the strike, I had literally two months to write and prep the whole thing. Which means simply that the network has to figure out what they might want to tweak AFTER it was shot, unlike a pilot. Buffy didn’t make the fall sched, Angel got shut down when they saw the second ep outline… it’s birth pangs. The network truly gets the premise (this is a whole new crew, as you know), loves the cast, is excited about the show – but they’re also specific about how they want to bring people to the show and I not only respect that, I kinda have to slap my forehead that I didn’t tailor my tone and structure to the network’s needs, since that’s something I pride myself on.
R.D.A.: You’re not just being the good soldier?
Joss: We both know from years of experience that I’m a crap soldier, though I am an accomplished fan-dancer. No, this is a very cold look at what’s going on, and it’s not an Us vs Them. The truth is, I’m in love with this world, and I don’t care how people get into it. I have a million things to say about (and through) all of these characters, and I don’t mind which ones I say first. I think I just turned in a pretty cool pilot script. [Editor’s note: that means someone TOLD him THEY thought it was cool. He has no judgement of his own. This is sad, but on the plus side, it was probably one of his writers, who actually ARE cool. So rest easy.]
R.D.A.: So what does this mean for production?
Joss: We’ve pushed an extra few days so I can prep this bitch within an inch of its life, i.e., read it once more.
R.D.A.: But how will this affect the foundation of the very turning of our precious earth, and by that I mean Comiccon?
Joss: Yeah. Unfortunately, we won’t have a new teaser to show, since we’ll start shooting after the con. People will have to settle for chatting with Eliza and Tahmoh. But they’re likeable folk. (Sadly, Tahmoh only speaks Canadian, though he has a lovely translator at his side, like Isabella Rosselini in “White Nights”.) We’ll still rock the panel, but showing clips is kind of a tradition, so my emoticon doth frown.
R.D.A.: And the first first episode?
Joss: I’ll reshoot a few scenes, but it’ll basically air as is. When I was given seven episodes, I referred to them as “the Seven Pilots”, ‘cause you always have to lay out the premise one way or another in those early eps. So instead of Grumpy, this particular episode will be Sneezy. (Seriously. Eliza fights POLLEN! Sooo sexy.)
R.D.A.: So Eliza’s still a different character every week?
Joss: Often several.
R.D.A: And in the Dollhouse, the amazing-looking facility where all the beautiful people whose memories have been wiped live in a state of unselfconscious innocence, the showers are co-ed? [Editor’s note: the showers are co-ed?]
Joss: The showers are co-ed. [Editor’s note: HOT damn.]
R.D.A.: So nothing of substance has been changed. Shower-wise.
Joss: You are a sad, lonely actual man, Actualman.
R.D.A.: So true, so true. Thank you for talking/fan-dancing to me. Anything else you’d like to add?
Joss: Available exclusively on iTunes! Oh. About Dollhouse? Only that it’s going to be a funhouse ride of excitement, fear, existential angst and co-ed showers. That I love it. Love the writers, love the cast, and already blissfully live in the strange, compelling world of the removable self. Hmm. When I pitched it to Eliza, she said “My God, it’s my life!” But after that sentence, I think maybe it’s mine.
R.D.A.: I guess we’ll have to wait till January to see what you’ve cooked up.
Joss: And I’ll probably keep cooking till the moment I serve.
R.D.A.: Would you hold me?
Joss: Yes, Ruhthie. Yes I will.
[Editor’s note in Strongbad’s voice: IT’S OVER!]
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I can't get over how awesome I am now. I have to go buy a lottery ticket!
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Don't want to sound negative but this is FOX we are talking about.
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But what the heck...
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"It's not the network, it's me". Yes. We all know how that one ends.
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"Foolme, can't get fooled again!"
When is he gonna stop trusting FOX. He's like Charlie Brown and that gorram football.
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I laughed.
Tomorrow, he's going to rewrite this update and have Harry repost this update in late October. -
Jul 22, 2008 4:11:21 PM CDT
That man has a lot of cranial voice to struggle against
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I hope he is a father of daughters.
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I will watch this for her (heck I suffered through Tru Calling for her). But I hope it's a good show too.
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You knew the mention of co-ed showers would have every geek on this site raising their eyebrows and suddenly saying Doll-what? Yeah, what a subtle technique.
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Or do you just post ads and let the real writers carry your fat arse. I mean really, fuck me fella...Any chance you can let merrick take over?
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I miss Fillion dammit! I want more Sci-Fi! Not Sci-Fi channel mind you, they suck, save for BSG, but seriously, give us another movie or something.
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"SHOWED some scenes to David Lynch..."
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If david lynch can't comprehend the script, then you're going to need a PHd in theoretical physics to understand the show. That guy simply isn't in our galaxy.
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hot female protaganists. Funny how he does that. Buffy, River (and Zoe, oh and Kaylee) and now Eliza as this Dollhouse chick. Seriously, its either a fetish with Whedon, or we are going to wake up one day to the news that Joss is becoming Jossefina, and also that he is taking experimental treatment to not only change his sex, but make him 17 as well.
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Do what now?
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She's hotter and can pull off this kind of a role. Dushku was only good on Buffy. Anything else she tried she wasn't as good. And has she done something to her face? She looks different.
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my emoticon doth frown also.
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If dushku could fucking act. Tru Calling. That's all I'm saying. She's got one expression, and it's the porn model kind. In fact that's not a bad idea; someone send her ass to bangbros so we can see where her REAL talent lies.
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Jul 22, 2008 4:36:44 PM CDT
The british answer to a lack of iTunes presence for dr. horrible
by floatybrownthing
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1619362 nuff said.
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I know Joss is being the good soldier and pretending it's all good, but he said he wasn't going to fall in love with the characters again and try to be more network friendly and it seems he hasn't exactly done that. Assuming Dollhouse is as good as Firefly, we can expect a bunch of great episodes followed by a big shafting from Fox when they cancel it.
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She's a bit shy when it comes to actually showing off the ta-ta's, so even though she may express "porn-face" it's all a big tease. As for Whedon, this project definitely looks like another venue for him to do some cool stuff. The tagline "you can erase a memory, but can you erase a soul" is pure Whedon. Like the concept, will be curious what Fox will do if the show doesn't play huge right away. All it needs is just some mediocre numbers, something that Bones does, they don't seem to have a problem keeping that show around, and they don't do anything on that show.
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Really, she's part of that cult? Craziness, where'd you hear that one? Last I heard she was dating Brad Penny of the LA Dodgers, after he dumped Alyssa Milano. Apparently no one told him that he had that thing backwards, Duskhu is the poor man's Milano, not the other way round.
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we're talking about ways we can break dushku's spirit and get her to allow herself to be DPed by the bangbos crew. Can you imagine that bitch with a cock in her mouth, one in her pussy, and one in her ass? it's what she was built for!
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She'd just done bring it on and went on to do jay and silent bob strike back, and originally she was written as a lesbian bad girl to go with ali larter, but she asked that it be written out because she didn't want to push it with her mormon grandma. As for Alyssa Milano, I'm kind of not into her since she got all old and crusty. I currently have a thing for rachel bilson - GOD I hope a home movie gets leaked soon.
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Whedon's penchant for hot chicks with big foreheads? It must be part of the casting contract that he forces on his talent scouts. Seriously it's true: Sarah Michelle - big ole forehead Summer Glau - big forehead Eliza Dushku - big honkin dickfore It's like his own insecurities of having his own massive slab of head above his eyes, has forced him to prove to the world that you can still be beautiful with a big damn forehead.
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Dude...she has one eye lower than the other, a nose job gone wrong, and a pigeon arse. Hannigan MADE that show.
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I was excited about this when I heard how dark and philosophical the original pilot was. But doing another pilot cannot help but undermine the (now) second episode. Either there will be one hell of a lot of exposition in the second episode (due to it being the original pilot) or it will be full of padding (due to scenes being reshot to take the place of exposition). Unless Fox backtrack on its commitment to show Dollhouse with fewer adverts and replace exposition with ads.
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That website entry was incredibly badly-written.
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So the fact that she plays a sexpot, cat burgling, flatulent, stripping, cussing, hoe-bag doesn't offend old Mormon granny. But if she were to play a lesbian, well...Plus I can't see any Mormon ever seeing Jay and Silent Bob anyway, that flick was dirty as sin, soooo crude. That Mormon grandma would have seized up right there on the spot and cried out for her lord and savior Joseph Smith. No way she is seeing that movie anyway, so what the hell does Dushku care? What a hypocrite.
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But let's not argue about that, we gots to get Dushku nude and all sprayed down in creamed corn.
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I think we should formulate a plan to break dushku's self esteem so we can get her on porn videos ASAP
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But we also need to get hannigan to split up from that fuck who played wesley. I can't see how you think gellar is hotter than hannigan though
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All ... My ... Sins ... Remembered.
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I'm sorry, I'm kind of still aching from that hurt, FOX. You ripped away something I was really interested in, and Joss sounded just as in love with that as he does with this. It'd sure sweeten the deal if Firefly TV movies were a potential outcome of my support...
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so many good shows not given the backing they needed due to some fucking exec
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I'm actually glad they're shooting a new first episode because, as much as I dig Whedon, I found myself underwhelmed by the trailer. Just didn't grab me, but hopefully it'll work as a second episode.
The first episode needs more zing, more action, and more character moments than what I saw in the trailer. So I'm glad a new beginning will ensue.
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I want a new pic called "Creamed Corn Party" and instead of old nasty farts, its Dushku, Geller, and Cuthbert all gobbling up the "creamed corn" from each other's ne-ne's.
Gawd, Cuthbert, now there's another chic with nothing to offer but that bland porn face expression. One day she will realize she has no true acting chops what so ever, just a nice rack and goofy face, and her rack is slowly sliding south. It will be at that point that either Playboy will come knocking, or some straight to video National Lampoon nonsense asking her to jiggle her jugs for cash. Eitherway she is gonna break and give us the glory shot, I feel it. -
She won't be stripping below the magical longjohns.
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They already rearranged the order of the shows? Either Whedon made a lame pilot or Fox is repeating its past mistakes by meddling with Whedon's vision. Either way this is not good news, no matter how they spin it.
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Every hollywood crony goes downhill.
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They come with patented snatch holes, along with bung holes, and sword of truth holes. The Mormon's still gotta crap, and do it anal, so they prepared their panties well.
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I mean if we can get her back for an NC-17 girl next door, we've got that bitch broken.
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So fucking drunk I can't recall if she had the magic undies or not.
She was into the genealogy.
This was before they started saving dead people.
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That mormons are only slightly less kinky than amish chicks. trust me. I've fucked both.
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Eighties exercise Jane.
First women I had sex with who had six pack abs.
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are you sure you weren't fucking a wachowski sister/brother?
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It's the clothes.
Adds a sense of mystery.
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And Fox will cancel this show so fast it will make all your Whedonite heads explode.
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Dude she worked out like everyday.
Plus she was skinny to begin with.
Rotten whore though.
Hellacious fuck.
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Of all the initials in existence, he chose to use RDA for his faux interviewer. RDA= RICHARD DEAN ANDERSON, STAR OF STARGATE SG1!! HUZZAH!!! WE GOT THE POINT, WHEDO!! You love STARGATE!!!! And I'm glad YOU DO!
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I fucked the amish chick while she was spending her year away from the community. I fucked her in pretty much any way you can think of. *sigh* good times....
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Something tells me you haven't seen the inside of a bra in your life. Between you and Mel, I think this talk back has its quota of juvenile delinquency already.
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sporting a big black eye.
"What's the matter Joss?" asks fandom.
"Nothing" says Joss. "I just walked into a door again. Clumsy me. My hubby Fox, told me to watch out, but I didn't. (Whimper) I should have listened. (Sigh) This ... is ... totally ... my fault." (Now sobbing)
"Dude" says the internet. "Seriously, you've got to leave this guy. He's never gonna change"
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The trailer looked awful. And cheap. Add in bad acting and I was nervous (Angel is my all-time favorite show, and Buffy is no. 3).
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I have seen a bra. I often cross dress on sundays and call myself mandy. Aren't you on my books as my biggest client, motherfucker?
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what's the deal with that side banner ad advertising buffy#18. I just picked up the new bufster #16 at ye ole comic emporium. Have we all just stepped into a time warp i'm not familiar with. (neat cover though.) i always go with the cover from that artist and not the alternative anime style of the other.
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Not good when u have to reshoot the pilot but i trust in Joss that the series will be good.
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ooops...this sux ass...we need more side boob in the pilot....MUCH MORE SIDE BOOB
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Jul 22, 2008 8:57:57 PM CDT
It wasn't Joss' choice to shoot a second pilot for Firefly...
by cash907
but rather Fox insisting that they retool the second ep which had more action to be the pilot. Joss was perfectly happy with his pilot, and spares few words when discussing the matter in his audio commentary for the series on DVD.
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"Winning at Great Cost." Nobody looses, nobody wins outright. Even worse the cost is always the death of a loved one that starts a downward spiral for the hero so they can win but be "forever changed." (SPOILERS) How cool would it have been if Dr. Horrible became truly evil and got the girl. No, he had to be "forever changed by the death of a loved one" like... Willow (Tara), Buffy (Angel, herself, Spike), Xander (Anya), Angel (Cordy), Wesley (Fred), the Serenity (Wash). I hope he has a new trick up his sleeves because I love his writing.
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"Joss has gotten cliche" then "I love his writing"
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she was good as a supporting character on Buffy, but she's just too cold and standoffish to be the central figure of a show. Yes, she's very hot, but the one character she plays, the tough girl but she's not really tough it's just an act to hide how vulnerable she is, while great as a supporting character, sucks as a main character in the long run.
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Ok, how about this. I like the way he handles dialogue. He plots arcs out well and their emotional peaks are handled in a realistic manner (for their genre's universe). However he falls back on the "oh let's kill a character that means a lot to the protagonist" far far too often to get where he needs to go with both the characters and the audience. Like almost all the time. There are other ways to get there. I'm now tired of this cliche, but I like his writing style enough to hope that he can come up with another trick.
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Whedon and Dushku basically came up with this series' plot over a lunch. Sounds like it already lacks direction. A bit worried that Whedon is kinda doing this whole project by the seat of his pants.
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...with Dushku tied to a bed and gagged, Wrong Turn-style. And make it 20 minutes long. With plenty of writhing.
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Goddamn, that was funny! And so true... Thanks...
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Yep, as much as I love Whedon's work the show will probably get cancelled after a few airings. Heard that Whedonites already have a Save Dollhouse petition going around.
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Identify the dumb exec(s) who cancelled Firefly. If they're gone, then I'll give this a shot... If dumbo is still around, why bother?
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I grew as a person. Seriously, very excited for this. Love me some Whedon - I just hope he keeps his streak alive (of quality, not of being canceled).
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... the issues he is having with this really is like Firefly. I'm not crazy excited for Dollhouse, it just looks like Joss is repeating himself, and what's with the same look of the home base as Wolfram & Hart from ANGEL? Has Joss finally jumped the shark? Only time will tell. Wish Sci-Fi Channel picked up Firefly, especially with BSG out the door. What are they going to spend their money on? Another crappy B-movie starring Bruce Campbell? Spend some money, goddamnit.
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If he see's all these cancellations coming or is he blissfully retarded with the fun he has making them. Cause Fox needs to realize that his fan-base, fickle as they may be, needs time to grow.
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I hope Dollhouse as the same success as Buffy and Angel. I really do. Firefly was a fantastic show that got well and truly shafted! Given the opportunity, I'm sure he could craft another fantastic, well written piece of masterful wonderfulness. I wish you Monsters Sir Whedon.
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Get your act together Whedon.
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dont know about this. i might just wait till the dvd comes out. maybe ill get more excited about it when it comes closer to launch
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Weird about the pilot, but whatever.
Co-ed showers? Hopefully we get to see more of Tahmoh Penikett if you know what I mean and I think that you do. Yowza. -
I had to do the same thing on a project. When it was pitched, the concept was STRONG. Then we got to the execution, and all the little things that were in the proposal didn't quite make it to the first draft.Layman's terms: they didn't like it. They still loved the CONCEPT, but it needed a better first exposure to an unsuspecting world.So we backed the whole thing up, and made a "prequel" that wound up being the first part, and the first part became the second part, and that was that.Good on ya, Joss. The people that don't like you hate you. The people that like you love you. That's a Howard Stern demographic if I ever saw one. Work the ep 'til it works.
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Some episodes will be stand-alone missions and others will give us tantalizing glimpses of back-story and over-arching plot...and by the time it all incoherently tries to wrap up (assuming no cancellation) no one will care...
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The last time Whedon ran out apologizing for some change the studio made (see Serenity being delayed from April to the dead end Sept) we all know how that turned out. This is the man offering brave face. Skip it....
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Whedon's pilots have tended towards being kind of insular and catering to Joss's fanbase and I think he probably wants to make it accessible, which is smart because it's going to be tricky as it is to get people to watch a show called Dollhouse.
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You forgot about Buffy (her mom), Angel (Doyle) (remember Doyle?), Collosus (Shadowcat), and Melaka Fray (Her brother, Loo). So, it's not like Whedon uses the same trick every time. not at all like that.
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ARROWED!!
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how does that work for a tv show? if the creator has a style that the network didn't expect, it's not a "gap", it's a potential for "we're stuck with 100 episodes we don't like" (and I don't think they'll let this go for 100 episodes). it's not like he'll just change styles (then he wouldn't be a creator at all). I don't understand why fox keeps buying from whedon, and why he keeps selling to them (well, I guess if you're stuck making youtube videos, you'll sell to anyone)
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I disagree. Let's look at the deaths cited:
Willow (Tara) In the first of several, I believe the actress, in this case Amber Benson, was leaving regardless.
Buffy (Angel, herself, Spike)
All resurrected almost immediately (if a season break counts as immediately)
Xander (Anya) Actress leaving
Angel (Cordy) Actress leaving
Wesley (Fred) no excuse here the Serenity (Wash)no excuse here
Buffy (her mom) Actress leaving show Angel (Doyle) Addict Collossus (Shadowcat) She isn't dead yet as far as I can tell and Melaka Fray (Her brother, Loo) Did not read You also forgot Gunn's sister and Book. -
But you COULD be bothered to foist your condescending opinion on the TB, am I right? Oh, WHERE will the world find a TB that meets your high, so very high, standards?
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just like every other Whedon project.
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at eating network crap forced down his throat.
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Just thought I'd let you know.
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most of his stuff is decent. It's his idiot Browncoat/Whedonite fans that annoy the shit out of me. But I hate Harry HeadShill too, so what do I know?
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Well she died in the series finale, so yeah, she was leaving. As was everyone else.
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Yeah. This'll be over quickly. I love Whedon's work, but fuck, man. Learn. Fox is shit.
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Seriously. After the clusterfuck that was Firefly and his declaration to never return to Fox, here he is. WTF?
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Of course.Okay, I'll visit. Can't resist the lure of cool people. But there better be one killer Apple-tini waiting for me...
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The fate of this project has already been decided....
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