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Moriarty’s Open Letter To Harvey Weinstein Regarding Howard McCain’s Groovy Viking/Alien OUTLANDER!

Dear Harvey... I’m sorry. That’s too familiar. We’ve only met a handful of times, so perhaps “Mr. Weinstein” is more appropriate. Whatever the case, I’d like a moment of your time this morning to talk about Howard McCain’s OUTLANDER, which The Weinstein Company owns. I’m not entirely sure you know which film I’m referring to. I know you’ve got a lot on your plate, so let me remind you. Last week, a couple of different trailers for the film showed up online. It’s the movie where Jim Caviezel plays an alien who crashlands on Earth in the time of the Vikings. He brings something called a “Moorwen” with him, a giant dragon-like creature that begins to attack Viking villages and kill everyone. What unfolds is the most fun I’ve had with a lower-budget SF film since PITCH BLACK, and in a lot of ways, this film reminds me of that one. I’m not sure what you personally think of the film, but let me share with you my reaction, and my thoughts on what kind of audience there is for it. I walked into the film cold. I saw those trailers, but they were terrible quality. And I haven’t been following this one during production. I was aware of it, but I think I had it sort of confused with PATHFINDER at the same time, and when I saw PATHFINDER, I think I was expecting this film, and when it wasn’t, it was confusing and irritating. I guess I just couldn’t imagine two Viking projects in the works at the same time, both about outsiders being taken into a culture. So walking into the screening room to see this film, I was a fairly blank slate. I didn’t have any expectations. The film starts mid-crash, as Kainan (Caviezel) steers his ship through Earth’s atmosphere, almost completely out of control, finally managing to splash down in a deep lake somewhere in Norway. Sometime around 700 A.D. Kainan manages to salvage a bit of equipment, sets up a homing beacon, and then heads into the woods to explore. Quickly, he finds himself overpowered after an encounter with Wulfric (Jack Huston), a Viking warrior who is next in line to command a village, after the current King, Rothgar (John Hurt). Wait... did I say “Rothgar”? Why does that sound familiar? Anyway, there’s some confusion about who Kainan is, and none of the Vikings believe him when he says he’s hunting a dragon. They believe he was behind the slaughter of a neighboring village, something that will be blamed on the. They’re desperate to get a confession out of him, Wulfric left in charge of getting the answers they need. When the head of that now-decimated village, Gunnar (Ron Perlman) returns from a hunting expedition with a handful of his warriors, he mounts an attack on Rothgar’s village. For a while, it looks like the two tribes are going to destroy each other... ... and then Kainan’s “dragon” shows up. And all hell breaks loose. And the movie gets really fun. Look, Mr. Weinstein, you and I both know nobody’s going to the Oscars for OUTLANDER, but there is an audience for this. It’s a good cast. John Hurt and Ron Perlman and Jim Caviezel and Sophia Myles and this Jack Huston guy who should be due his big break any second. All of them are rock solid in it. And while Perlman isn’t in much of the film, his first scene is stupendous, and every single time he shows up, he is the unavoidable center of attention, ridiculously fun to watch. The film looks great. Director of photography Pierre Gill doesn’t have the most distinguished track record of films, but here, he does lush and stylish on a budget of just north of $30 million. Geoff Zanelli’s score definitely shows the composers roots in the Hans Zimmer factory, but that’s not a bad thing. He’s definitely of that school, but he’s been doing strong work on genre fare like FEAST, DISTURBIA, and HITMAN. With this movie, he’s written a big sweeping action epic score that really pays off some of the big visual moments, like that awesome flashback to the home planet of the Morwens, or in some of the most entertaining character moments, like the game of shields they play. The design work by guys like Iain McCaig and Ryan Church -– big names to the geek community, Mr. Weinstein –- looks like it made it to the screen completely intact, something that’s fairly rare. I mean, how often does a movie actually look like those gorgeous paintings we see from pre-production? This one does. Frequently. For a movie that cost as little as this one did, every dollar looks like it ended up onscreen. And then there’s the underlying “big idea” of the film, which snuck up on me, and which I have to say I really, really dig. Basically, this is BEOWULF. You can draw a pretty direct connection between the characters in both stories. I mean, like I pointed out above... King Rothgar should be the give-away. But the idea seems to be that this is the “true story” of what happened, and the story BEOWULF is the way it was told over time by people who didn’t know how to describe aliens or space monsters. It’s a subtle thing, and no one in the film ever comes out and says, “And then one day, this story was written down and called BEOWULF!”, but if you’re at all familiar with that story, you’ll recognize it here. I like that the human interactions are as entertaining as the monster hunting. That’s a big thing for this kind of film. Caviezel’s one of those guys who can be a total stiff in the wrong role, and he’s good here, loosening up as the movie unfolds, which seems appropriate. Sophia Myles is very pretty, but not unrealistic in this setting, and although there’s some romantic tension between her and Wulfric at the start of the film, it never devolves into anything predictable. And speaking of Wulfric... I know Jack Huston is part of “that” Huston family. He’s the grandson to John Huston, the nephew to both Anjelica and Danny, and sure enough, he’s got mad charisma and real chops as an actor. He takes this potentially-silly Viking role and invests it with something real and credible. I hope this is the start of a bigger career for him. For everyone involved, actually. I spoke with Howard McCain, the co-writer and director of the film, after the screening, and this has been a long labor of love for him trying to get this story onscreen. I’ve known people who struggled for a decade or more to get a film made, and when they did, it just didn’t work for one reason or another, and that’s always sort of heartbreaking. I can tell that McCain has been so invested for so long that he sees all the compromises he’s had to make and all the edits that were made and the things he didn’t get to do, and for him, the film marks this “almost,” a missed opportunity. As someone who came to it fresh, though, I had a great time with it, and I think there’s a real audience for this type of film. It’s like when I saw the first PREDATOR. I expected nothing, honestly, because of that premise, and what I got turned out to be this delicious surprise. Mr. Weinstein, please don’t dump this movie. Please. 50 screens and then straight to DVD? I know you’re having financial problems right now, and I’m sure your time since leaving Disney has been a strange one. You went from having deeeeeeeep pockets and one of the best marketing machines in the world behind your product to having to do it all yourself again, and that can be a huge, possibly even insurmountable thing to face. But you built your company on equal parts prestige and exploitation, and I think you need to treat the exploitation genre fare with the same care and attention you treat the possible awards bait. Different audiences, sure, and you’re chasing different goals with each, but in the end, isn’t the whole reason you release these films so that they can find their ideal intended audience in the biggest way possible? 50 screens ain’t gonna do it. We’re coming up on the early fall drought, where genre fare dries up real fast and we’re stuck with one costume drama after another. If you’re shrewd, and if you commit to really selling this thing, you’ve got a window here. Please take a look at the film again. And if it’s not your cup of tea, bring in some filmmakers whose taste you respect who DO understand the geek thing. Screen it for Quentin... for Robert... for Kevin... ask them if I’m crazy, or if this is a really groovy little adventure movie. Ask them for quotes you can put on the poster. Get creative. Take the film to Fantastic Fest in Austin. Hell, see if you can find a spare theater in San Diego this weekend and throw a screening there and watch the crowd react. This could be an easy win for you, or it could turn into just one more case of the Weinsteins buying and then burying a genre film. To use the adline from another genre film this summer, I want to believe that you can tell a good film from a bad film. I want to believe that you would do everything in your power to get people into theaters when you have a movie that’s worth the effort. I want to believe there’s a place in the market for smaller genre fare that doesn’t have a $100 million ad campaign behind it. Come on, Harvey... right now, all eyes are on you, and there are real questions about how you’ll define your future in this industry. It can’t just be about Oscars every single time. Do the right thing. Treat this film well. I’ll do my part. I’ll tell my readership about it, I’ll tell other webmasters about it. I’ll do what I can to get the word out. But until you decide to release the film where everyone gets a chance to see it, none of that matters. It’s up to you. Thanks for your time. PS -– INGLORIOUS BASTARDS rules. Can’t f’ing wait.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • July 21, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by TubewayArmy

    Hot milk... mmm tweak my nipple

  • July 21, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Go Jesus Go!!

    by FlickaPoo

  • July 21, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    I dug the trailer and hope Moriarty has some pull

    by BillEmic

    I watched the trailer on AICN a few days ago and I'd definitely plunk down $8 to see this on the big screen. I like the idea of vikings + aliens, and I'm a big fan of Jim C. (Thin Red Line, anyone?) 50 screens wouldn't do this flick justice.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    The first two sentences annoyed me

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    So I posted this. Now I'll go finish it.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    bravo!

    by The InSneider

    well done, mori. that struck just the right tone. hopefully he'll listed and take your advice. not sure this sounds like my cup of tea either. in fac i'd never even heard of it before. but if it provoked such a passionate letter it must be worth it. love the story of beowulf and i really wanna see that standout scene of perlman's... i'm gonna go hunt down a crappy trailer.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    brilliant

    by ddog

    thats all i got to say.moriartys got some cojones. thats great letting your opinion out.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Is it true the Weinsteins hold the rights to Susperia?

    by wash

    It needs to be on Blu-Ray, like yesterday. But knowing the Weinsteins, they're probably trying to cut out 30 minutes and replace the Goblin score with Lil' Wayne or something.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    grueman

    by jamestewart007

    You forgot nipples. cool letter. Haven't heard of this film. Might have to wait until the dvd comes out.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    The trailer blew me away, I WANT to see this movie

    by DrPain

    50 screens, thats it?? Please give Outlander a chance, I told all my friends and family about it as soon as I finished watching its trailer and then they all got excited about it as well. I want to see this movie in a theater.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I loved this - Mr. Weinstein

    by sabrinaloves

    I need this movie. Mr. Weinstein should fucking listen. Im in the dirty south. When no one pays attention it us it makes us angry.. Give me the film.. I've got a whole army of people who would embrace this film. The trailer I have shown to my friends, they love it. We want it here.. I'll take it.. I'll screen it some where.. I'd love to mount a viral army for this film.. I believe in it.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    You're the Man, Drew!

    by jackson healy

    btw, Inglourious Basterds does fucking rule!

  • July 21, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    i think the direction should consider himself lucky

    by Magic Rat

    this doesn't go straight to DVD with the way it looks. <br> <br> Jim Caveezel as a lead in an action movie? You're asking for trouble. <br> <br> This might, in fact, be a very good film. But it'll do about as well as Reign of Fire, probably worse, considering the lower level of talent involved. <br> <br> If your goal to make this movie find an audience, then there's nothing wrong with straight to DVD. It seems like the kind of movie I'd rent in a slow Blockbuster week. Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Do these open letters do anything?!?

    by Brians Life

    I'm SERIOUSLY asking (though with admitedly a bit of cynicism)...<br><br>has there EVER been a case in which some one was so blown away by an open letter that they went and pulled a MIRACLE on 34th STREET!?!?

  • July 21, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    umm- who do you think you are?

    by Rubiks Doob

    50 screens and a DVD release costs a lot of money. this is a semi-ok looking movie. Tell you what, you go make your own studio and get your own money to back it up. Then you can put whatever crap you want to on as many screens as possible. The Weinsteins are still in business because they know WTF they are doing- you armchair quarterback nerd...

  • July 21, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Agree with Magic Rat

    by hiperaktiv

    This is not the kind of movie that would do well in a cinema, unless its really got something special and unique to it, which judging by the trailer - it doesnt look like it has. It might be ok for a DVD rental but seeing it in the cinema? Nar it might do ok, but i can understand the Weinsteins decision to show it in a limited number of cinemas. If the Weinsteins do give it a wide release and they lose a tonne of money, are you going to pick up the bill Mori?

  • July 21, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Moriarty's good deed

    by pipergates

    (boyscout). The movie looks like great fun as you describe it, and i couldn't agree more with you about respecting it. Some fine actors and design work and concepts in here. What is it with the Weinsteins and the dumping of promising material??

  • July 21, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    The guy you're sending this letter to knows how to market a film. I didn't see anything special in the trailer. The acting looked somewhat passable, but the cinematography was weak. This looks like a bad combination/best of compilation for The 13th Warrior, and Shakespeare In Love. Magic Rat's right, films can still, and usually do find their auidences on DVD, now more than ever.

  • July 21, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    would my girlfriend want to see this movie?

    by Magic Rat

    no. Would she watch it on cable if it comes on? Maybe. <br> <br> That's how you judge a wide release film. would any woman you know be interested in this?

  • July 21, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    the concept sounds cool.

    by Mr_X

    I've seen the trailer also looks cool. seriously i'd rather watch this compared to unglorious motherfuckers and speed racer. has a preditor vibe that i can't resist!

  • July 21, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Would my wife want to watch this movie?

    by Antz

    Definitely.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I See...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... so when it's FANBOYS, fans will unite sight unseen because "it's about STAR WARS," and they'll organize ridiculous boycotts, but when I publish a simple open letter about a film I've actually seen that I think deserves better than a dump, I'm somehow in the wrong. Innnnnteresting...

  • July 21, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    YES

    by salamimansam

    THis is a movie I am excited to see, and want to see it in a nice theater. Please make it happen for us Big W!

  • July 21, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    YES!!

    by salamimansam

    Make it happen. Make it happen. Whatever happened to the small, fun sci-fi flicks anyhow? This looks great.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Rubiks Doob

    by BadMrWonka

    jesus christ...if you go that stupid route, not only are you going to bore any talkbacker that's been here more than 2 weeks (since we hear it a lot...I've been here for 8 years, so I'm damn near impervious to it) but you're also just making yourself look like an idiot.<p>using your same completely fallacious logic, couldn't I rag on you for criticizing Mori, since he is doing HIS job, and you are NOT a reviewer or contributor to this site?<p>Mori's job is to critique not just film, but the entire system of film. the machinations and fights, and deals, and all of that...it's not separate from the movies themselves. Mori is taking a movie that he enjoyed (and you know, his opinion may not trump yours, but the fact that millions of people read it on this site, while you're playing Madden says something) and he's championing it.<p>and instead of taking that for what it is, you've gotta be the cool kid and come take a dump on it.<p>well guess what? the coolest kid from my high school is now a valet. when you grow up you'll get it.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    I've never understood this.

    by FluffyUnbound

    "Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe." What the hell does THIS mean? If you make THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - or hell, if you make THE LAST MAN ON EARTH - I don't give a shit who's in it. I'll go. If you make MAMMA MIA I also don't give a shit who's in it - I am not going. Are there really people out there who say, "Wow, that doesn't sound like a movie I want to see - but Tom Cruise is in it, so I guess I'll go." Way to enable a corrupt and debased star system, dude.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Moriarty...

    by Mr_X

    we're a fickle lot

  • July 21, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    The Real Reason Mori Wrote This

    by Funketeer

    He wanted us to know he's met Harvey Weinstein.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Mori, I agree there is a market for these genre films

    by DougMcKenzie

    But the market is in DVD, not theatres. Unless you can muster up that huge ad campaign, then no one will know about it. The Internet can get you some early buzz, but a lot of that is done after opening weekend. Serenity is a great example. It's BO was crap, but it did huge on DVD. Great word of mouth and Internet buzz, helped with the latter, but the not the former.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    You Answered Your Own Question Mori

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    Yeah, fanboys will unite and be stupid over Star Wars. It's called having a built in passionate fanbase. If Outlander's destined to a similar fate, it will find it's core fans on DVD... Where it goes from there is entirely up to the passion it elicits. Look, even if this thing got a wide release, it doesn't look like it has the chops to do anything more than 10 to 15 million in it's first week (if even that). I don't care if that's during the summer, or middle of winter.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    "I know you're having financial problems right now"

    by smackfu

    You may want to consider cutting that out of your open letter. There's a pretty good chance that one line is going to turn him from open-minded interest to 'who the fuck is this shitbag nobody to think he can talk to me like this?' <br> it sounds innocuous enough to say, but to be on the receiving end of it, depending on a persons pride, sense of privacy, and general sensitivity to the subject, may not see it as an innocuous sentence.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I Think

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    This letter will get removed, along with some of our posts about the stupidity used in writing it.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    But, Snakes...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I've seen FANBOYS, and guess what? It's not a STAR WARS film. There are no spaceships or real lightsabers in it. It's just a (fairly terrible) comedy that makes a few STAR WARS jokes. So if the "built in passionate fanbase" is that gullible that they'll suck down anything that even passingly MENTIONS something they like, then I guess I give up. Pardon me for suggesting that a new film of actual merit be treated well. How dare I?

  • July 21, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    And, Uh...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... no. The letter's not going anywhere. And I really don't care if a small vocal minority in talkback doesn't like it. If I did, I would have run screaming from AICN years ago.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't recommend Harvey throwing his money at this film

    by smackfu

    I'm sure it will be fantastic, but viking films don't market well, and usually bomb at the box office. The trailers for this follow the trend, they look completely uninteresting and straight-to-video quality. Again, I'm sure once I saw it, I might love it, but all the rest of the filmgoing public has to go on is the vibe it throws off, and it throws off a pretty mediocre vibe. I think this puppy just needs to find it's cult following on DVD.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    You're Forgiven

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    By me. Maybe not by Harvey, er- Mr. I'm In The Poorhouse Weinstein... Way to burn bridges, by the way.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    This letter pleases me

    by O_Goncho

    Whole-heartedly. I've been anticipating this film ever since I stumbled onto it's synopsis like 2 years ago whilst browsing Karl Urban's imdb. He dropped out, but I'm delighted to see that not only did it actually get made but that it recieves glowing praise. Thanks, Mori. Now when it is dumped I'll know to seek out that DVD.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    You've removed stuff before. And what the fuck's been released in the last decade that would give this guy any confidence in putting his already dwindling finances in a movie about vikings and spaceships. I'm not trying to damper your pampers here Mori, hell, I want to see this film, but I'm totally fine no splooging all over myself if that first viewing of it does not come in a thatre.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    I agree. The "financial problems" line..

    by SkeletonParty

    with a link is sort of a slap in the face. <P>I'm very interested in seeing this movie and I had no idea it was getting a small release. I'm bummed.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    SmackFu

    by drew mcweeny

    ... so don't sell it as a Viking film. Sell it as PREDATOR. Which is a fine comparison. Or are we now unable to sell monster movies, too? <P>I just don't get this defeatist bullshit. This is why studios only make sequels and remakes, kids, because the moment there's even the slightest challenge in marketing A VERY GOOD MOVIE, it's easier to fold and dump it to DVD than it is to actually try to find the right audience. <P>Bullshit on that.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    You tell 'em Mori

    by Sebilrazen

    I figured out it was Beowulf from the early trailers, similar to the way I figured out WAR (Jet Li, Jason Statham) was just the Count of Monte Cristo.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    The Financial Problems...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... have been the subject of about 20 articles in the past few months from other press, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Sorry, but that's reality, not a slap in the face. I didn't say it's Harvey's fault... but certainly, they have to be facing some hard choices as a company right now, and this is a finished film that they own that's ready for theatrical release. Wouldn't you think making money off of a movie might be a nice way to help turn things around? <P>Again, pardon me if my ideas seem baffling or revolutionary, or if the mere mention of a fiscal reality is enough to derail the message of the piece.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Well, someone did believe in this movie

    by harosa

    It apparently got money and actors to make this genre film so let's not say sequels and remakes are all the studios make, getting it out there now and people aware of it is a totally different game nowadays.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I was an extra on Outlander

    by ChetPussy

    Alot of the movie was shot in my home province of Newfoundland. I was an extra in a few scenes and spent about a week on set. Howard McCain was a true gentleman and professional and you could tell that this project was his baby. I had a great time on set and i'm hoping I can actually see the finished product on the big screen.

  • You see, when you write an open letter to someone making a request, you should not wait until paragraph 12 of 15 to get to the point of it. That's a lot of fucking preamble, dude. I know it's supposed to really be a review under the guise of a letter, so I guess what I'm really saying is that your gimmick failed.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Mori, I think it is great that you published an open letter

    by toadkillerdog

    This is the kind of movie that geeks should be drooling over. The TB's on this site alone concerning this flick have been overflowing with B movie love. dargon, Vikings and Jesus? Oh, My!

  • July 21, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Damn typos

    by toadkillerdog

    I meant Dragons, Vikings and Jesus. Oh, My!

  • July 21, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Mori is officially on the Comic-Con schedule!

    by irrelevntelefant

    Star Wars day, nice. <p> I have to consult my Comic Con panel Excel spreadsheet schedule, I think this might conflict with the Battlestar Panel. Tough decisions. <p> any hot chicks at your panel, Drew?

  • July 21, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Mori, for a level-headed

    by comedian_x

    producer your mention of fiscal reality might be welcomed. For the Weinsteins (who are histrionic at best and raving loons at worst) would not welcome your suggestions and would put out a smoldering cigar in your eye for even the hint of fallibility.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Bobo_Vision's Open Letter to Mr. T

    by Bobo_Vision

    Dear Mr. T, <p> You are totally awesome. You are cordially invited to my house for dinner, and then you and I can be best friends. Please bring with you a Mr. T lunchbox, some Mr. T cereal, and the Mr. T mohawk and chains starter kit. <p> Your Pal, <p> Bobo_Vision

  • July 21, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    In Doing Some Research

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    That letter was about as bad as the script of Mori's someone posted on his IMDB page. "Amusing" indeed.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Hey, Sherlock...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I posted an entire screenplay of mine here last week in COAX. You should look that up if you really want to find reasons to take shots at me instead of actually discussing the substance of the article. Oh, wait, you already decided to make this about pissing on me instead of supporting the release of original genre fare. Got it. Never mind.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    This is why you write about movies not make them,

    by Rubiks Doob

    So your solution to a movie company that is hurting financially is that they throw away a lot more money on a wide release that looks like the very model of a direct to video junk film. Just because you saw it and liked it doesn't mean anyone else plans to. If it does well in 50 screens they can always expand it. If it tanks and I'd guess it will tank hard because it looks dumb and has little broad appeal with no known actors they won't have risked much and they can make it back on the DVD. Most movies that go direct to video deserve to and this is one of them. Sorry you chose to take a stand for such a shitty looking film but there are definitely worse tragedies in the world. And oh btw Fanboys looks like ass too. So there...

  • July 21, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If we were in Mori's place...

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    most of us would do the same thing he did. I sure would. Why not? Goodluck Mori.

  • July 21, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    I wasn't pissing on you. I'm sure you're a great dad, and person, and blah blah blah. I'm pissing on your writing, and horrible idea to set ol' Harv straight. YOU'RE not stupid, just the recent things you've done. See ya at the Outlander convention in 20 years!

  • July 21, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Sounds a lot better than Fanboys

    by robotdevil

    I'd see this movie. Is one of those 50 screens in NYC?

  • July 21, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    I appreciate that Mori's doing something...

    by Amy Chasing

    but will Weinstein read it? He's a busy guy... Even Whedon has said that petitions have little effect on studios, and that's with lots of people's signatures. How much effect will one person's letter have I do have to wonder? Not to bag the attempt or anything. Just call me a doubter.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    To Rubiks Doob...

    by Davaldod

    Where in the hell do you get the huevos to declare OUTLANDER "the very model of a direct to video junk film"? I'm sorry, have you SEEN OUTLANDER? You really feel authoritative making this pronouncement on the basis of a trailer you saw on the web?! Incredible.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Rubiks Doob

    by BadMrWonka

    god, here you go again. I thought you were done.<p> "this is why you write about movies and not make them"<p>actually, he has and does write movies. how about you?<p>"throw away a lot more money on a wide release"<p>upping it form 50 theaters is not necessarily a wide release, for god sake. no one is trying to put this on 4000 screens. he's just saying that a little more would help to give it a bump.<p>"little broad appeal with no known actors"<p> sigh...ron perlman is one of the hottest actors out there right now. have you heard of a gigantic film called Hellboy? hard to see through the make-up (and your noodle brain) but he's the lead. jim cavaziel has also headlined movies, and was the LEAD in one of the most controversial and highest grossing films of all time, passion of the christ.<p>"Fanboys looks like ass too. So there..."<p>christ you are dumb, MORI ALREADY SAID HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT WAS FUNNY. he used it to make a point.<p>seriously. a valet. someday you'll understand.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Looks fine to me...

    by Animus

    If I don't see this in the theaters, there's a big chance I'll never ever see it on DVD.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Seriously though...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...if you believe in a project and want to get through to suits, go for it. These open letters have gotten attention in the past. Even though Vern's open letter to Fox didn't get them to make the latest Die Hard R-rated, it did get Bruce Willis to start posting here and try to convince people that his movie wasn't going to suck despite the rating. And "Fanboys" won in the end, so if you really believe in the film, I hope this letter gets the ball rolling.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    No. But I got head in the front row of The Grudge.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, The Beowulf + Predator Connection Really Got My Attention

    by cowboyone

    Nice job. Lots of compelling points here. I'm on board.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Mori

    by vadakinX

    We both know that Hollywood execs are notoriously stubborn. When they make up their mind about something it's going to take something phenomenal to change it. <p> Even if you get the likes of Moviehole, Comingsoon, IESB etc on board to start actively promoting this film, even if you are able to generate a tremendous buzz online about the film there are four words to remember: Snakes On A Plane. <p> That was a movie that had increbible buzz online and had the studio backing it...and look what happened...nothing. The came and went without as much as a whimper. <p> Outlander doesn't even have the studio backing it. The only semblence of any promotion has come from the two trailers. You may say that Outlander and SOAP are two completely different films, but at their core, they are both designed to be fun popcorn films, the types of film that you just have a great time watching. <p> Believe me, I'd love to see Outlander on the big screen, but Weinstein just isn't going to take the chance based on the words of movie geeks on the internet. <p> That's not to say that generating buzz about the film is a bad idea, quite the opposite. It has to be focused, not on the internet at large, but in real world locations, specifically the 50 places the movie will be shown. The only hope the film has for a wide release is if it consistently sells out those 50 screens.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Viking films don't sell well?

    by antonphd

    What the fuck was Lord of the Rings? It was a viking story with hobbits(representing bored from comfort english folks) getting to tag along for the adventures.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 21, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Bobo

    by vadakinX

    Actually I think I might be the one who got Willis to come here. Back when Stallone did his Rocky Q&A, I asked if he could get Willis to do the same for Die Hard, he said he'd try and what happened? Willis started posting in the run up to the release of Die Hard IV. <p> Though I suppose the general point of these sort of things being able to influence studios holds true, though it's rare. What has been shown though is that talkbackers can't influence the potential audience, as shown by Snakes on a Plane.

  • July 21, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Outlander

    by antonphd

    Thanks for the open letter, Moriarty. I am a game producer and nothing is more dissapointing then seeing a great piece of entertainment get shuffled to the bargain bin because it isn't given a chance... because the people holding on to it didn't 'get' it or the audience for it. This film will go on to become a cult classic, but nobody gets to enjoy it where the way it's meant to be enjoyed... on the big screen with a rowdy action fan audience. I still remember having fun with the discount theater crowds watching The Frighteners and Deep Rising and Pitch Black. These films do have a solid audience. Don't open it a week before The Dark Knight and you should do fine.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Dang

    by pax256

    This just fell on my radar... I wasnt sure I would even rent it... bad trailers with seemingly predictable storyline. now I dont think I can afford to miss it... the idea of missing out on something cool like Pitch Black all these years is unthinkable.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    oh, btw, the point of movies isn't to entertain

    by Magic Rat

    it's to make money. No A-list actors and a weird premise for a film = not a lot of money made. <br> <br> A-list actors help sell a film. Is anyone going to want to watch Letterman to see Jim Caveelzel sell this movie? Or Ron Pearlman (as cool as I think he is)? <br> <br> If I'm going to the theater, it's going to be with my girlfriend. very rarely will I go by myself. if I do, it's for something spectaular that she's not interested in (ala The Dark Knight). It won't be for a movie like this, which so far, has nothing in it that seems interesting and doesn't star anyone I particularly trust to make a good movie. <br> <br> But hell, if I saw it for free, like Moriarity did, I might like it a lot too.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Beowulf and Grendel...

    by Neosamurai85

    Is still my favorite from this recent Beowulf wave. The vibe I'm getting for this film is somewhere between Dragon Slayer and Reign of Fire, with a dash of I Come in Peace added just for the twisted hell of it. Not quite sure what to make of that kind of vibe, but I'm certainly interested.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    The perfect film to put into wide release...

    by Antz

    ... right about the time they start pushing all the artsy oscar films.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Midnight Meat Train letter, too? Please?

    by necgray

    As a Clive Barker fan, I implore you. Lionsgate is going through a similar "we're bleeding money, so let's fuck over the small non-DTV genre films" phase.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    there is only one viking movie, and it is...

    by bernard

    THE VIKINGS (1958) <p> Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis rock that shit.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Magic Rat

    by BadMrWonka

    I thought you were dumb when you said that the Godfather was boring and overrated, but now, man...that crock of meandering babble might be even worse...<p>so the point of movies is to make money and nothing else? the point of investing in bearer bonds is to make money. commercial movies have economic concerns like any other large piece of art, but it is not purely so. <p>and what are you talking about only going to the movies if your girlfriend wants to go. how many movies are there about eating pancakes and bacon? that makes no sense.

  • July 21, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    oh yeah...and inglorious bastards

    by bernard

    has a genius climax with intestines and fire and a giant head, but i agree that there wasn't enough of the bastards...especially to validate splitting the movie in two. <p> i also felt that the last line in the script was really pushing the lines of ego-maniacal self indulgence, but it was a fun read.

  • July 21, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    magic rat

    by BadMrWonka

    sorry, that was Batzilla with the Godfather thing. you sound like him, so I was confused.<p>you are only half stupid, I apologize.

  • July 21, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    VIKINGS AND ALIENS AND DRAGONS? SERIOUSLY?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Color me intrigued. I'd usually steer clear of a movie with a leading character named Gunnar, but what the hell ... like Mori said, it's better than a shit sequel/remake.

  • July 21, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Weinsteins have been consistently terrible...

    by TheAD

    at marketing their films. Grindhouse might have had a chance if they bothered to market it at all. It seems to me they are still blaming grindhouse-the-movie for it's failure in theatrical distribution. That grudge seems to be carrying over here I think... I mean why the hell else isn't the theatrical version of grindhouse on DVD yet?

  • July 21, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    you're talking about a studio head

    by Magic Rat

    from a studio head's POV, the point of movies is to make money. <br> <br> that was my point. <br> <br> as for only going to movies with my girlfriend, yeah, it's called having a girlfriend. I'll go by myself on occasion if it's something she doesn't want to see and I do, but we usually go together because we get in for free because she used to work at the local theater.

  • July 21, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    BadMrWonka

    by Xiphos_2

    How dare you darken the good name of Valets, sir! I shall sick the Valets Union of America(VUoA) upon you. See if anybody carries your bags into a hotel now buster, or makes reservations for you at a good resturant. I think not!

  • July 21, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    The letter

    by Echorock

    Personally, I don't know what effect this letter will have, but I am thrilled that someone is out there taking a stand on the movie. And I gotta tell you, it's fun as hell to hear everyone argue about it. So when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. (And THEN if you don't like it, you can all rip us a new one) Thanks, The Writer.

  • July 21, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    ok

    by captainalphabet

    strong work mori. i'll check out the flick (which prior i thought sounded pretty stupid).

  • July 21, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    About Oscars every time

    by Series7

    Like what they did with Control? A movie that no one saw and it should've gotten some noms.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Echorock, I hope to

    by TheAD

    "when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. " Only 50 screens almost guarantees that it won't play in my town though, which really frustrates me. But as long as the weinsteins are having it, I doubt there will be enough cash to make the apropriate marketing campagne to make a larger release viable.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Xiphos

    by BadMrWonka

    you ain't no Valet!!!<p> I had valet friends in college and it just seemed like they were stuck with it cos they didn't want to work hard enough to be a barback or busboy. and the tips for those jobs were double, and with ZERO risk of getting your shit kicked in for scratching a mercedes...<p>how goes things man? I got my website up and I'm a sneeze away from a book deal for some pieces of my writing, but I hesitate to put it on here for fear of intense ridicule by people who hate...you know...cats?

  • July 22, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    BMW

    by Xiphos_2

    If you have a zone account shoot me the info there. oddly enough, I use the same handle there.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Dude, I'm your wingman on this...

    by Clarence Boddicker

    Moriarty, you're 100 percent spot on. This IS a relatively original idea that deserves some support from not only our community, but from the producers themselves...sweet Jesus people...if films like this can't fly we'll be stuck with Legally Blond 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7! Or worse...a trilogy of Sex and the City movies...oh wait...

  • July 22, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Hi, Tom Bodet!

    by Uncapie

    Gumbarr and his pony pal, Cokey tooooooo! Come on folks; sing along!

  • July 22, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    An open door for Mori: Hey wipe your feet!

    by Stormwatcher

    Mori. give us the dream casting on Ing Bastards. Where does Stallone fit in? What about Willis?

  • July 22, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    by Stormwatcher

  • July 22, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    This will bomb

    by Series7

    Sorry, maybe 20 million if they are lucky. Unless they wait another year to put it out and get the hype train rolling. Pitch Black only did about 30 million, it only has a chance at being a sleeper hit.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Hans Zimmer is not a bad thing?

    by therealkumar

    Could have fooled me.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    I still think Caviezel should be Superman

    by DarthBakpao

  • July 22, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Sounds like great fun in theaters

    by SpencerTrilby

    As much as I dislike your writing on this site most of the time, many kudos for writing this article Mori. Albeit I'm not sure the "open letter" thing was the most pertinent way to put it. And like others said, Pitch Black wasn't exactly a smash hit in theaters, more like a video sensation. But I'd see that in theaters, for sure. If only it was released in a theater neer my ass.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    You fucking rock Moriarty!

    by Womb2dooM

    I can't count how many times I've seen a great movie disappear through the cracks due to no studio support/audience and no mountain for me to scream from.<p>THIS is why I love this site. It's from and for passionate, positive film lovers. I'm adding OUTLANDER to my must see list. Sold. IF it ever gets an Australian cinema release...<p>Hey, here's a rather obvious thought - why not do this monthly? Choose one movie that is drowning or possibly gonna drown in cinemas and throw some vocal support behind it. Slap a face or 2. Keep it in the main article area on the left for the whole month. If there aren't any movies drowning in the cinema that month, pick one from a back catalogue of movies that have already dropped through the cracks. I'm positive you will ready, willing and able long-list of volunteers of writers here ready to be heard... <p>Go, Aintitcool News! Go!

  • July 22, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch...

    by Womb2dooM

    I guess that makes me irregular, huh? Considering the company, I'll take that as a good thing.<P>Just the one 'b' in 'Womb' champ. Thanks for your time.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    I'm really looking forward to Oulander BUT

    by D o o d

    Even I found that letter to be Nauseating and patronising.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    whiny

    by wyvern

    I do agree with ya on this site pimping shit that shouldn't be.I think this movie more then others deserves a second looks besides the first crappy trailer and roll your eyes on the basic idea of viking,alien, and monster/dragon being a fun film.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    People are still curious about INGLORIOUS BASTARDS?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Weird.<p>No Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Willis crossover plus directed by Quentin fuckin'overrated Tarantino. Meh.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Only one weak point to the letter

    by subfreq

    Inglorious Bastards is a 6/10 script. It was the biggest missed opportunity I have ever read. Great letter , commend your sentiment man.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Then again I should point out

    by D o o d

    That I do admire mori's passion when he gets behind a movie. A lot of what he said in that letter is what I would call "A good thing to do" If there's a good director out there then let's help him out

  • July 22, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Whiny...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... yep. Glad I did it, too. I love SPEED RACER. Saw it twice in IMAX. Love love love it. And you can try to use that as a club against me, but I don't give a fuck. It's a great movie.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Good job Moriarty

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The trailer looks like fun, I hope Weinstein gives the film a chance.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    10,000 BC

    by antonphd

    I got this on dvd tonight because the dvd said there was a different ending and I was stupid enough to think that meant that there was a chance that there might have been more fleshing out of the bad guy... maybe a bit more backstory or possibly something remotely close to a climax for the film. If this shit of a movie can get a wide release by selling it as a film by the ID4 dude... then fuck... Moriarty is right about Outlander... throw a name in the mix that has box office draw... add someone as a producer so you can say it's from the producer of such and such film... Outlander has more going for it in the trailer then 10,000 BC has in the entire waste of time film. I'm personally tired of the sharp but small sci-fi/fantasy films being flushed down the direct to dvd toilet. And I second the Beowulf and Grendel love. Saw it in Seattle in one of the handful of showings and loved it. I saw it because I liked Butler from Timeline(the only thing good about that movie). There's a film that deserved being direct to dvd instead of Beowulf and Grendel.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    to the sight-unseen haters

    by jofex

    its amazing how quick some fanboys are to eat their young, meaning the subject matter they purportedly love (um... 80's style sci-fi, dragons, Vikings). If Outlander was a neglected child instead of a neglected movie would you beat it to death to make yourself feel better?

  • July 22, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    if it was their money...

    by jofex

    then I think there should be an alternate site for amateur scared-shitless wannabe producers who run at the first sign of a marketing challenge. Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions. Congratulations.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    None too happy

    by Hamish

    If this gets dumped on DVD, as being in NZ I'll never get to see it theatrically. At least in 50 theatres some of you will get that privelege.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Dear WhinyNegativeBitch,

    by Womb2dooM

    My sign off line was in direct reference to the massive love this site gave to Speed Racer so nice catch. You're incredible. I will speak of you to all my friends. Speed Racer, a love I also share.<p>Also to reiterate - I wasn't talking about a general DVD column or masses of positive reviews/articles - I think the realisation of a monthly dedicated feature article spotlighting one particular struggling "good" film would be awesome. Every once in a while Harry will post a help 'Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang' and you've got Mori's effort here so what harm can come from making the love consistent? This sort of shit is happening so often with studios or the audiences, I believe it could actually do well. After all, if there is one thing that the most genuine film lovers appreciate, it's a good underdog story!<p>Think of it as the aintitcool.com equivalent of the period but, you know, you don't want to skip it .... but it will always probably be late.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Humourless wankers. Again

    by Lost Jarv

    This looks like a great piece of genre shlock that will inevitably die on its arse. However, in 20 years time there will be the next generation of TB-er's raving about it and wondering why it fell off the radar. Fuck's sake- even The Thing was a flop. This has no real backing, no marketing, and there is no belief in it. Therefore it will fail, and the open letter pointing out what is good about it is a good idea.<P>And yet, you fucking accountants in training crawl out of the woodwork every time with your pathetic psuedo FT bleating about money (as if any of you cunts have shares in the studio), and berating the author for pointing out the fucking obvious. Haven't you got paperclips to count?

  • July 22, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    That is a good idea from Womb

    by Lost Jarv

    actually, as much as we may hate to admit it we're a niche market. Therefore to pick one project a month and give it this treatment is a cracking idea.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    this should be the mantra repeated at every

    by Lost Jarv

    one of you bastards that spouts off box office figures or other suchlikes. From Jofex: <P>"Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions" <P>Read and remember, arseholes.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Womb2dooM

    by uVa

    Great idea. A spotlight feature would be awesome. And Mori, great article. Agreed on all fronts. You're becoming quite the literati lately.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Xiphos_2

    That paragraph about accountants in training had me rolling man.<p> I agree with with the first paragraph you wrote in that post. This looks like fun schlock, fun at the theaters and beer with friends afterwards, fun as a rental with pizza and beer type of movie(Man I'm dying for a pizza and beer right right now).<p>Those posters really are as you stated, "humorless wankers" indeed. Most of them must have been given a transfusion of M-O-M blood.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:02 a.m. CST

    negativebitch

    by Xiphos_2

    Just out of curiosity and sheer boredom, just how much sand do you have jammed in your box? Or is the tampon just overly full and chaffing?<p>What exactly is the problem you have with a somewhat original movie that's not a sequel, a remake, retread, "reimaging" of a 70's or 80's TV show. BTW Hollywood where's the reimaging of BJ and The Bear?<p> Are you afraid that you might have 90 minutes of fun and enjoyment? It's alright buddy to have fun at the movies, after all, its entertainment nothing more.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    OUTLANDER looks awesome...

    by spud mcspud

    ...And why the hell shouldn't Mori get behind it with an open letter? Just 'cos it's more of a gesture than an active move on his part doesn't render it pointless or useless. It's obvious he has PASSION for this movie - he wants it to do well, and wants the Weinsteins to know too. Why is that a fucking bad thing?<P> Now GONE - THAT was a bad thing. Truck fuck girl!<P> I still don't know why the buzz for non-Star Wars Star Wars movies is all about this FANBOYS and yet I hear fuck all about 5-25-77. From what I hear, 5-25-77 > FANBOYS to the Nth degree. Mori - your next assignment is to get behind 5-25-77, get some steam up for Patrick Read Johnson and help get that fucking classic out there on the big screen! I mean... after OUTLANDER, of course.<P> Weinsteins - there's a fucking HUGE market in the UK for pizza-and-beer late-night-Saturday movies. PLEEEEEEASE do not dump this on DVD. You have no idea how many times I'd go catch this on a big screen - and bring all my mates along in a longboat, just for shits and giggles >:D

  • July 22, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by spud mcspud

    It's a movie with Vikings and aliens in it. That turns out to be the legend of Beowulf (I think). WHY is that not entertaining?<P> Y'know, respecting your right to like what you like and all that, but... how do you NOT enjoy a movie with vikings and aliens? That trailer alone pisses on the entire ouevre of Platinum Dunes movies. But then, the gigantic bog otter I set free this morning tops Platinum Dunes' entire slate, so...

  • July 22, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by spud mcspud

    Hold on. AMERICAN FUCKING IDOL?!?!?!?<P> Tell me you're being ironic, 'cos that shit does NOT compute.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Whiny...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... would it make you feel better if I told you that I thought PATHFINDER was a fucking miserable way to spend an afternoon? OUTLANDER is no PATHFINDER.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    And BTW...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I've never used the phrase "turn your brain off" once. I think OUTLANDER has good writing, solid characterization, and it all pays off in a very satisfying way. It's not a "turn your brain off" movie at all. That's the point. That's why I would like to see it treated well.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST

    WNB

    by Lost Jarv

    Sorry dude, you missed my point. <P>Basically, I was saying that the article itself publicising the film is a good thing. I personally don't especially give a monkey's if the Weinsteins release it on 1 screen or 10,000. But to come on here and slate the article while wittering about money is fucking tiresome. It isn't about the fucking money- many of my favourite films were commercial disasters, and many of my most hated were tremendously successful.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Wait, Wait, Wait...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... "this director's previous work"? What previous work? The two TV movies listed on IMDb that are over a decade old? <P>Are you seriously telling me that (A) you saw both of those and (B) you remember them in vivid enough detail to proclaim this film unfit because of McCain's work in them? <P>Look, man, if you don't want to see the film, don't, but what's the gag? Is the talkback handle a shtick you have to live up to?

  • July 22, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    And Marshall rocks

    by Lost Jarv

    Even Doomsday. <P>

  • July 22, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    DOOMSDAY...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... didn't much like that one, either. But so what? I still liked THIS one, and that's the point. THIS ONE is good, and I'd hate to see it get dumped. If I give up on all genre films just because I don't like one or two or ten of them, then what's the point?

  • July 22, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Hey XI,

    by Lost Jarv

    How's things? <P>And furthermore Whiny- I wasn't thinking about Vikings per se, but about shlock. There has been a huge amount of TB's recently with groups of people reminiscing about it- 20 years time there will be the same. <P>As I said above, we are (as much as we may hate to admit it) a niche market, and an article from our (arguably) leading site putting the spotlight on these kind of films once a month would be great.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this one

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I must admit, it's the kind of thing I'd rather watch on DVD with some friends and a few beers, but I'm happy for Mori to push it in whatever way might help it. Dragons, aliens, vikings - how can it not be good? Of course, I had a similar response when I heard about Gingerdead Man (A magical murderous biscuit - how can it not be good?) and that one turned out to be sweaty ass.

  • July 22, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Wait a sec!!!!

    by Womb2dooM

    If you add spaces between Y & N and E & B, WhinyNegativeBitch actually spells out the words 'Whiny-Negative-Bitch'! Holy hairy huge donkey balls - what a hilarious, fitting accident! And if your add up every single one of his posts in this here talkback, while he has EASILY written the most, he has NOTHING to say. This is change the sheets stuff we are uncovering here! You've been exposed, WhinyNegativeBitch. We found you out. It took us a while but the evidence is in your handle, "topics" and "statements". Just think, if you hadn't have dribbled on for 15,682 posts, we may never have known the truth hidden behind a cascade of clever contradictions and slight of hand. Maybe switch your calling card to "RantingUnsureWimp" and start afresh. Maybe. Eh? Give it a shot? For old times sake?

  • July 22, 2008, 6:01 a.m. CST

    The Descent sucked?

    by Lost Jarv

    getthefuckouttahere.

  • July 22, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    RYGAR!

    by LaserPants

    That game was great. This, however, sounds monumentally retarded. Play it for camp / sleaze / exploitation and it might work though.

  • July 22, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Jim Caviezel Has The Same Initials As Jesus Christ!

    by LaserPants

    OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous torture porn out of it heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?

  • July 22, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Jim Caviezel Has The Same Initials As Jesus Christ! (Edit)

    by LaserPants

    OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous homoerotic torture porn with heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?

  • July 22, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    I actually liked the look of this film from trailers

    by Lemming

    ..they weren't that bad were they?

  • July 22, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    WNB

    by Lost Jarv

    You assume that such promotion is a given, but it isn't. That's why a spotlight article as a regular feature would be good.

  • July 22, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Open letter to Moriarty

    by Jonah Echo

    Dear Drew, <p> Good on you for writing this, and thanks for the entertaining approach. Clearly this is both a shout to anyone who will listen, but it's also a review telling the geek brethren here to perk up their ears and pay attention. <p> You are utlizing this site in one of the ways that is most satisfying and interesting, as a way to help those movies that deserve a chance. <p> Me, Im elated to hear it deserves a chance. I've gone to see second tier potential trash I'd never heard of on your reccomendation alone-two instances come to mind. One was Pitch Black. Went with my dad and we both loved it. Later, in 2002, when snow closed the college I attended, I noticed a mystery movie with no reviews or previews had showed up at the local theater. Equilibrium. I looked it up, and sure enough you had a review. Went to it with a few other guys who thought I was crazy and dreamed it was even showing. They all thanked me after the fact. <p> Point is, what you are doing is good, and encouraging. I wanted to see someone here at AICN step-up and try to help get this thing seen(I advocated that very thing in the last Outlander talkback) and it's good to hear it's worthy of being seen. <p> Open letter to AICN guys: <P> Let's rally around Mori on this one. Let's keep the talback going, and lets add our voices as people who want to see this film, whatever it turns out to be, and preferrably in the theater. <p>

  • July 22, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Also Drew..

    by Jonah Echo

    did you see X-Files 2 yet? I want to hear your review if you did. Latauro's seemed like he went in with the wrong mindset. I've heard other positives, so I want some perspective here.

  • July 22, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch...

    by Womb2dooM

    Thank you for making my point. In that post, without prompting, you segued to CNN, McDonalds and The Descent without once eluding to an actual relevant point. Not that I'm not grateful to waste minutes until sleep but, I guess my point is, does somebody like you know when they are insane, as you clearly are? Like, would you reread your ramblings from top to bottom of this TB and stop and think "Wow, it is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"?<p>I know this comes off as a personal attack, but seriously, nothing you have posted here is consistent with anything preceding it or even in line with the point of the article. It's the ravings of a mad man. If you have a valid reason for interceding here, fine, but all you have done is detract and abuse without apparent motive.<p>But thank you again for killing time until z town, populations z.

  • July 22, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    I love these TB's

    by Lost Jarv

    They're great. <p>Even if that portuguese pillock does keep pitching up and ruining them

  • July 22, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Yes, it obviously is "Beowulf", but that may not be...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    ...the best thing to say to a studio executive, considering that Crichton and McTiernan had already tried rewriting/refilming "Beowulf" as "Eaters/13th Warrior", and while it was an excellent film, it isn't viewed as such by studio executives, and so the concept isn't fondly remembered by them...<p><p>(Well, the saving thing might be the fact that they don't know it was a retelling of Beowulf, either)

  • July 22, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Weinsteins are notorious for buying and dumping films

    by Nabster

    Try reading Down and Dirty Pictures, its about Miramax and Sundance. They have destroyed many film makers fruits of labor. I am sorry to say this open letter is beyond futile, if anything it will only aggravate the Weinsteins. It would be great if the Weinsteins treated every movie with respect, but not every movie can or even should get a wide release. Ultimately we'll only be able to judge this after seeing the film, it looks cool, but also understandable studio heads would be inclined to think it will bomb on screen.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Mori is pretty pissed these days.

    by DerLanghaarige

    It seems like that. But hey, I can understand you. I'm on your side! Can'T wait to see it. Maybe it gets a better treatment in europe (although it will probably strong cut in Germany. Even Iron Man and Hulk were :P)

  • July 22, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Mori - don't feed the trolls

    by Sebilrazen

    They get some sick glee (and part of your soul) when you respond to them

  • July 22, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    WNB seems to be all over the place

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I don't know why he or anyone else would have a problem with Drew posting a letter they sent to a studio head, especially for a movie that's been given a limited release.<p>I remember walking into Dark City having not seen a trailer, article or review for it. I liked the poster outside the theater, my friend and I were intrigued and we walked in not knowing what the movie was about or who was in it. Two hours later I walked out of the theater and asked my friend, "What just happened?" I couldn't register the perfection I had just witnessed up on the screen without any advance knowledge of it. Outlander might not be Dark City, but I get the feeling it deserves a fighting chance to be more than a cult favorite.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    Had much the same experience with Dark City. In fact my dad and I were so psyched by how good it was, we stopped at the second run theater on the way home to catch another movie, and picked another we hadnt heard of before. Gattaca. And it too was awesome.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Provided Outlander gets the chance

    by Jonah Echo

    it deserves, my dad and I will be there opening night for it.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    With the domination of bloody Odeon

    by Lost Jarv

    it's getting hard to do that in the UK. <P>Last film I managed it with was Dog Soldiers. Which rocks. And I don't care what you think WNB. It rocks.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Gattaca and Dog Soldiers

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Two different movies but once again, two movies that got zero support from the studio, both of which I walked into knowing next to nothing about and walked out feeling blindsided by how awesome they were.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    See If Drew

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    actually felt secure in his open letter statements, he wouldn't be defending them so angrily right now. Harry doesn't usually do this, because he lives in a fantasy land and just doesn't care. Mori however gets pissed because he sometimes realizes when he's made a ass of himself. Sorry, MAESTRO, but it's true.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Drunken Rage

    No, but I got a hummer in the front row during an afternoon screening of Jean-Claude Van Damme's "Sudden Death." Is that close?

  • July 22, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Caviezel IS superman

    by ironic_name

    search your yadda yadda.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I'm trying to think what else I've done it with

    by Lost Jarv

    I remember seeing a Helen Mirren film called The Hawk. Which wasn't great.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Jonah and Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    Good open letter dude. I'm with you on that. Keep up the good work Mori. <p> Jarv, it has been a while dude.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    What's with Bale beating up his mom and sister?

    by toadkillerdog

    Jarv, any help with that story?

  • July 22, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    TKD

    by Lost Jarv

    Give me a minute....

  • July 22, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by ironic_name

    they wouldn't tell him where to find the clown, he pushed them off a second storey fire rail.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    OK. It's an appalingly fascist paper

    by Lost Jarv

    but can probably be relied on: <P>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1037174/Batman-star-Christian-Bale-arrested-assault-claims-brought-mother-sister.html

  • July 22, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    or even worse

    by Lost Jarv

    From The Scum:<P>http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1453926.ece

  • July 22, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I saw it this morning

    by Lost Jarv

    It's been an excuse for the hacks to wheel out the old 60's batman gags: <P>Holy Punch Up, Batman!

  • July 22, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    ironic_name

    by toadkillerdog

    Well, that will guarantee a bigger box office - bad boys always draw!

  • July 22, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    or

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/5lk9ul

  • July 22, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I wouldn't put too much store in it frankly

    by Lost Jarv

    To begin with- why would they go to Hampshire when it happened in Central London? That's daft. I suspect they are being a pair of money grubbing slags.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    yes, I know

    by Lost Jarv

    Tinyurl is my friend. I just couldn't be arsed.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I get to see TDK on saturday

    by Lost Jarv

    paying a bit more so me and Mrs Jarv can have a sofa and Waitress to bring me beer.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    "this isn't the war my mother warned me about"

    by ironic_name

    whoops.. <P> john connor :- sisterminator.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    That is a perfect setting. A couch and a brew. Those types of theatres are sprouting up around the U.S. now.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    It's worth it for 3 reasons

    by Lost Jarv

    It only costs £10 <p>It's in a far nicer bit of London than the one we normally go to- so less chavs <P>It's clean. <P>None of these things you can say about Camden Odeon, where the tenner saved actually results in 2 uncomfortable people in a bad mood due to mobile phone plague, dirty bastards, and the fact that we've been sitting in a bin. <P>It generally doesn't show what we want to see though, this is the exception.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    And a happy Mrs. Jarv is a very Happy Lost Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    Changing the subject - yet again -because that is what Changian's do! I watched a back-to-back Tony Jaa. Ong-Bak and Tom Yum Goong. Wow! It was like dropping acid after snorting two lines of coke and drinking a snapple! <p> Yes, I saw them before, but not back-to-back, Someone should have warned me of Tony Jaa overdose!

  • July 22, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Couch and a Brew

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It's called ManLand and it's above my garage. And Newcastle, Corona and Guinness are always on tap.<p>Seriously, I wish my local theaters had amenities like this and didn't require a police presence at night to break up the ruffians.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by toadkillerdog

    You will get them soon enough a chain of theatres like that is slowly rolling out here.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Toad

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I watched Tom Yum Goong again two weeks ago. I was sloshed by the time he made his way up the spiral staircase but I see something new everytime I watch it.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Garage?

    by Lost Jarv

    Luxury. Pah.<P> At least we've got more than one telly so she can bugger off into the other room. She does bring beer though. Albeit a touch ungraciously.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Independant Cinemas are great

    by Lost Jarv

    and to be honest, I think they are totally worth the few quid more. <P>I still wouldn't see Speed Racer, even if the cinema provided me with a blow job and enough cocaine to floor Oasis.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by toadkillerdog

    My faviorite scene in Ong-Bak - besides the obligatory love that the flaming leg kicks gets, is the first fight scene. When he just destroys the dude with one thigh smash across the chest, and he just looks like it was absolutely nothing. The crowd is just stunned. I love that scene.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    That's a great scene

    by Lost Jarv

    Although, really, I struggle to pick a favourite. <P>Mrs Jarv is not a fan of Martial Arts movies. She's starting to like schlock and loves horror, but draws the line at "grown men pretending to beat each other up". Mystifyingly, she gets a bit shitty when I pointed out that Atonement, was "Grown men pretending to be from the early part of the 20th century".

  • July 22, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Jarv, has she ever watched Crouching Tiger?

    by toadkillerdog

    Yes, I know it is more operatic than ass-kicking, but there are some great wire scenes in it, that could be used to ease Mrs. Jarv into the genre. If nothing else, maybe the tissue factor will get you some lovin. It worked for me!

  • July 22, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    She has.

    by Lost Jarv

    But unfortunately I fucking despise that overrated angst fest. So I can't sit through it again.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    To digress a wee bit

    by Lost Jarv

    Does anyone honestly give a shit about that X-Files movie? <P>What little interest I had has been killed when I found out that Billy "Scottish Steve Martin (used to be funny in the 80's- now appears in dreck)" Connoly was in it.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Hmm, well, What about Hero?

    by toadkillerdog

    Although if you do not like Tiger you might not like that one either. Still, the tissue factor is very high and women just respond.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Hero did not bug me anywhere near as much as CTHD

    by Lost Jarv

    And I managed to get her through house of the flying daggers. But she starts to talk bollocks about the use of colour. And therefore misses the point.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Is it just the sight of grown men beating each other up without an engaging story around it or she just plain doesn't like the kicking and the punching and the biting and the "Oy, that shattered leg is going to hurt in the morning"? Because the latter can be rectified as Hong Kong does put out the occassional movie with style and substance.<p>My own private movie theater is upstairs in the bonus room but that room is the only room upstairs and it just so happens it's above the garage which is fortunate as the room isn't soundproofed.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    um... Midnight... Meat Train? maybe?

    by necgray

    Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

  • July 22, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    X-Files

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I only ever saw one episode of the show and rented the movie because I was bored and had seen everything else on the shelf.<p>That was what, 9 years ago? I think they waited too long and the fan support just isn't there anymore. This isn't Indy where 19 years later people are still chomping at the bit for a new movie. It's friggin X-Files. I don't know why they bothered.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Outlander looks like a great time

    by just pillow talk

    Why get in a hub-bub over what Mori wrote? How does it impact you at all? I probably won't see it in the theater...probably...but I'll definitely watch that puppy on DVD. <p>Doomsday won't be available til the end of the month.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I watched Kill Zone

    by toadkillerdog

    Much better than I expected it to be. It had a real storyline, that only occasionally erupted into fight scenes. Still it was much better than City of Violence. That was very boring. HOD I need more recomendations.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I hate crounching tiger...never saw Hero

    by just pillow talk

    I'm against wire-fu when it's supposed to be a martial arts movie. <p>Tony Jaa...Donnie Yen...that's what I'm talking about.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I think she sets her sights too high with it.

    by Lost Jarv

    She's got some kind of mental block (A la Memories) where she thinks that quality needs to exist on some artistic level unless it's pure schlock garbage. <P>Hence liking Flying Daggers, Hero, and Crouching Tiger, but hating more visceral stuff. <P>It's very annoying, frankly.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Hola Pillow

    by toadkillerdog

    Damn, someone round up Abom, and Doc, and lets turn this into a serious Changian TB!

  • July 22, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Kill Zone was great

    by just pillow talk

    My next one up will be Flash Point, per Mr. Hawaiian.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    actually, I blame Jet Li for it

    by Lost Jarv

    In all honesty she was quite open to them until I made the mistake of putting on Romeo Must Die. Since then she's been really, really anti them

  • July 22, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    hey toad...

    by just pillow talk

    The alley fight scene in Kill Zone...nothing in those wire-fu movies can remotely compare to that bad-assery.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Doc is on a binge at the moment

    by Lost Jarv

    and Abom has been sighted in TDK TB. Which I'm staying out of.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Kiss of the Dragon is much better than Romeo

    by just pillow talk

    Should have had that one be the one that put her off on them.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    K-O-D is much better

    by Lost Jarv

    but Romeo has the X-Ray gimmick. <P>Which is cool.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    unfortunately my wife figured out the netflix password

    by just pillow talk

    So next up are (fuck me) No Reservations and The Other Boyleyn Girl. Such a missed opportunity there with a nice lesbian scene...<p>Sunshine will follow, but it matters not right now since my summer class is playing ping pong with my balls right now.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    I keep hearing mixed things about Flashpoint

    by toadkillerdog

    I was burned on City of Violence so I want a solid recomendation before I get Flashpoint.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    fear not the darkness toad...

    by just pillow talk

    If it's shit, it is...but I must take the journey.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Other Boleyn Girl

    by Lost Jarv

    Awful. Go out to the pub and let her watch it. Or take Pillowling down the park. <P>Honestly, I can't stress this enough. Hideous, hideous, turgid poorly acted, miscast boring piece of crap.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I'm thinking I may move Pistol Whipped up

    by just pillow talk

    to view in my next go-around of movies. <p>Think I need to see the pony-tail in action.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Has anyone seen The Lives Of Others?

    by Lost Jarv

    Lovefilm bumped City of Men off and replaced it with this. Is it any good?<P>And they bumped The Car down the list, but replaced that with Exorcist 3 so I'm not too upset on that one.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Pillow did you watch 10,000 BC?

    by toadkillerdog

    I have not seen that one. I have heard bad things about it as well.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    toad - yes, skip it

    by just pillow talk

    It was not the chaotic mess I had hoped for...just a bland movie..not even any funny kills. The only thing that made me chuckle was the blind seer they had tucked underneath the floor in a city holding cell. They took him out...he said a few things...guards were coming back, so they tucked him underneath the floor again.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    damn...who knew I'd rather do school work

    by just pillow talk

    than watch a movie. <p>Governmental Accounting never sounded so...er....good?

  • July 22, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Lives of Others

    by Jonah Echo

    Jarv, Lives of Others is a phenomenal film. I was originally indignant when it won best foreign oscar over Pan's Labyrinth, but when I finally saw it I understood. It's really something special. And it's better than City of Men(which was good, but not THAT good). <p> And Exorcist 3 is brilliant just because it has George C. Scott barking irritatedly at Satan. Geez, I love that movie.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    The Other Missed Movie

    by MediaNerd

    Following that money link in the letter...why did I not know about a Houdini movie starring Guy Pearce? That alone sounds brilliant. <br><br> Good for you standing up for what you believe in Moriarty. The marketing system in films needs to be re-created as the current format is less then ideal.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Toad

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Did you see Invisible Target yet? If not, that should be number one on your list. Sorry about CoV. It started off slow and had trouble keeping my attention at times but that knife fight at the end was a great payoff. However, I can totally see where you're coming from.<p>You won't get burned with Invisible Target though (has ANYONE seen it?) as people are blown away while the opening credits are still rolling.<p>Flash Point is a mixed bag. Some very good fight scenes and an actual story but I found the story muddled as hell so I was disappointed and have trouble recommending it beyond the third act.<p>I've heard good things about The Lives of Others.<p>

  • July 22, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    romeo must die has grace park kissing another girl

    by ironic_name

  • July 22, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    A friend who just returned from overseas

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Brought me a copy of Doomsday that looks......er......pirated. I'm thinking of bringing a bottle of rum upstairs and watching that tonight.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Don't forget Jonah..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Exorcist 3 also has one of the biggest 'jump' scenes I have ever winessed. I dropped my drink when I saw it. You know the one I'm talking about in the hospital...

  • July 22, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    So I'll watch it rather than just return it

    by Lost Jarv

    Admittedly COM was picked because of City of God.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    The Lives Of Others

    by HoboCode

    Indeed it's a fantastic film with a great twist at the end. I personally would say Pan's Labyrinth is better but both are phenomenal.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I've moved up Invisible Target in Flashpoint's place

    by just pillow talk

  • July 22, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I'm not knocking it,

    by Lost Jarv

    but it pisses me off that Lovefilm arbitrarily takes off mine and the missus' selections for what they think we want to watch. <P>If this was the first time I'd be OK, but they swapped in Ordinary People. I sat through it and fucking hated every boring second. <P>I did enjoy Amadeus last weekend, though.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Doomsday

    by Lost Jarv

    absolutely requires Alcohol. Stupid mess does not even begin to describe it. <P>I totally enjoyed it, though. <P>HAving said this, Rhona Mitra is a complete fucking talent vacuum, and hopelessly miscast. She is very easy on the eye though.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by toadkillerdog

    Thanks dude. Yes, the ending scene of CoV was almost worth slogging through the rest of the movie. Hell, just watch that sceen and forget the rest of the movie!

  • July 22, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    and now I think about it

    by Lost Jarv

    the shitheels have still not got Army of Darkness.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Fred watched City of Violence too

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred not like it.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Pans is better than Lives

    by Jonah Echo

    but I could understand how it won over Pan's. Unlike other choices the Academy makes, where you sit there, just amazed. Crash over any of those other movies for example.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Fred just watched Army of Darkness on Free movie channel

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred enjoyed that. Fred enjoyed Bubba HoTep too.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Hello Jonah Echo

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Will this TB turn into another B movie love-a-thon?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    So when do we all don John Hurt

    by Jonah Echo

    and Ron Perlman masks(and some dress as Jesus for good measure) and unite outside the Weinstein offices demanding the release of Outlander?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    On a slightly different note

    by Lost Jarv

    There's been an overabundance of stupidity around here recently. The latest piece is Harry (himself) thinking that I Know What You Did Last Summer is better than Scream- and a load of morons crawled out from under their rocks to agree with him. <P>This shit is maddening, even if you take into account all the flaws in Scream, it was still an important piece of cinema. Does no-one remember the state of Horror before it? <P>In fact, looking at the current state of horror, we could almost do with another one.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    I support the cause..so lets do it..

    by Jonah Echo

  • July 22, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Please no Crash hate AGAIN.

    by HoboCode

    That argumant is as stale as day old bread. Besides only latently racist assholes with no taste hated Crash.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    the b-movie discussion, I mean...not

    by Jonah Echo

    the hurt mask debacle.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Hobo..you know me at this point..

    by Jonah Echo

    Im just pointing out I personally didnt think it was as good as the other choices. I didnt even say anything negative about it, except it was out of it's league. I think that is acceptable.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    that was a bit pompous

    by Lost Jarv

    what I meant is that Scream neatly killed off all the tired conventions that were in every fucking movie before it. It was a genuinly good film, albeit one that hasn't aged well. <P>I don't blame Scream for it's sequels, or knock offs (IKWYDLS, Cherry Falls, Valentine, and so forth)

  • July 22, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    IKWYDLS better than Scream???

    by HoboCode

    You've got to be kidding me? WTF? Ignorance is rampant on this site lately isn't it?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I know Jonah.

    by HoboCode

    I was just teasing.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Bubba Ho-Tep

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Now there's a movie that deserves more love. Me and the mates were laughing like fiends from beginning to end. I should dust it off this week.<p>An online rental service that removes your choices for their own doesn't seen right to me. The first time they did that, I'd drop a steaming dump in their envelope and send the movie back.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Fred not see Crash.

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    What made Scream so important? It not seem that much to Fred?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Actually, on Crash

    by Lost Jarv

    As much as I didn't like it- I think it is probably the best film of those nominated that year- Brokeback Mountain bored me to tears, Munich is heavily flawed, Capote overrated, and I haven't seen Good Night and Good Luck. <P>It isn't better than Tsotsi though, but that was foriegn language.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I don't think Crash deserved to win the Oscar either.

    by HoboCode

    Brokeback was EXTREMELY overrated. It should have gone to Capote.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    I saw scream for the first time on cable a few years ago

    by toadkillerdog

    I am not a Teen horror flick afficiando, so it did nothing for me. I did chuckle a few times though.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Fred

    by Lost Jarv

    Scream was important because of the state of horror before it. <P>The late eighties/ early nineties were not good times for the horror movie. All that came out were tired, shitey, derivative slasher movies (really, halloween has a lot to answer for). The postmodern structure of scream, although it became tiresome very fucking quickly, gave them an opportunity to basically deconstruct and debunk all the conventions. And they took it brilliantly. At the time, Scream felt fresh, funny, innovative. <P>Now it feels trite and hackneyed due to the endless imitations. But it really was a watershed movie.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I was knocked flat by Capote.

    by HoboCode

    And I wish harm on anyone who says that elitist bullshit Infamous was the better film.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Scream needs looking at in context

    by Lost Jarv

    Now, it aint so much. Back then? It was a very, very good fucking thing.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    yea, I guess crash and brokeback were in

    by Jonah Echo

    the same league. I skip over them and think of Munich, Capote and Good Night, all of which I quite liked. But hey, Im the freak that would have nominated King Kong if you let me.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Infamous was not better than Capote

    by Lost Jarv

    but the central performance was almost as good as Hoffman's.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Of that year-

    by Lost Jarv

    the nomination list was suprisingly poor. <P>It's almost as bad as when Million Dollar Baby won. No way in fuck was that the best film. And don't get me started on Forrest Gump/ Titanic etc. You can do this all day.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv summed up Scream perfectly.

    by HoboCode

    Word.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Crash almost seemed racist to me

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    From the get-go of two black men brazenly robbing a rich white couple on a CROWDED city street and then ending with an Asian man rear-ending a black woman who tells him to speak "American." To me they were defeating the purpose with that heavy-handed, ham-fisted B.S. And with everyone bumping into each other all the time, they should have called the movie Coincidence.<p>I Know What You Did had one thing and one thing only worth nothing and we all know they should have been freed from those tight t-shirts.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    or The Departed

    by Lost Jarv

    sheesh, what a crap shortlist that was: Departed, The Queen (overrated- and fisticuffs with anyone that says otherwise, Little Miss Sunshine, Babel, and Letters From Iwo Jima- which should have won)

  • July 22, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Never got the teen horror...

    by Jonah Echo

    Saw Scream and liked some things about it, and thought it was o.k. Saw IKWYDLS and thought, crap, someone managed to botch the hook killer story. How? <p> And here is the part where I say something that questions all I have ever said before. <p> My fave of the teen slasher/horror films from the late 90s was...Urban Legend. I kid you not. I loved that POS. So earnest, and so wacky, and yet the technical credits are good, the college kids all look like they are 30, and it has quite a collection of horror icons. Gotta love any movie where Robert Englund, Jeffrey Combs, and Brad Dourif are innocent and *SPOILER* Rebecca Gayheart is the killer. <p> God Bless Urban Legend.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    two things.

    by Lost Jarv

    surely?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I like Urban Legend,

    by Lost Jarv

    but it owes an awful fucking lot to Scream. It could almost have been called Scream 2 1/2

  • July 22, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Letters from Iwo Jima

    by HoboCode

    That movie was a damned masterpiece. Should have won.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Urban Legend 2

    by Lost Jarv

    I think I'm the only person on the planet that has seen this, and the delightful Ms Gayheart (who makes me happy in the pants, and I don't know why) only has a cameo.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    IKWYDLS 2 was actually better than the 1st one.

    by HoboCode

    Of course take that with a grain of salt.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Really, though

    by Lost Jarv

    when have the Academy ever given it to the right film? I struggle to think of one winner that you can absolutely say was the best film of it's year.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Didn't Urban Legend also have Alicia Witt?

    by HoboCode

    That gets my vote.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Lost..

    by Jonah Echo

    I agree, but it wasn't so hip and self aware. I agree that making some self aware caused others to reexamine the genre, but I've always loved it more when those actors and writers at least appear to think they making some great and watching it spin witlessly out of control. I agree UL is the dumb cousin of the brainy smarmy Scream. But when growing up I had a braniac cousin who loved to try and write poems, and come over to our house and read, or point out the futility of everything you would say. IT WAS NO FUN. The dumb cousin loved to get us to ride four wheelers through the woods, each of us carrying a bb gun to try and pick the other one off with. That was fun. I think you see the poin. Or my childhood was nuts.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    IKWYDLS2

    by Lost Jarv

    Has some redeeming features- (The audience knows from the start the holiday is bullshit, because the 2 cretins didn't know the capital of Brasil). But the white Rasta kid makes me want to throw the telly out the window.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Jonah,

    by Lost Jarv

    yes, but we talk about Shlock endlessly- and fucking none of it is ever a slasher pick from before Scream. <P>Now it comes across as smug and overly pleased with itself, but at the time it was totally necessary.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Lost..

    by Jonah Echo

    I know will there be those that disagree, but correct best film(at least out of the choices): <p> Return of the King <p> ok...Im done.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Urban Legend

    by Lost Jarv

    had Alicia Witt and a completely pointless (even more so than usual) Jared Leto.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Mori...good letter, excellent points.

    by Ninja Nerd

    Outlander sounds like the Beowulf movie I want to see. The 3D flick out last year was good, but this movie just sounds cool as hell. As for the Weinsteins...they're probably every bit the whack jobs portrayed in the book "Down And Dirty Pictures". If they actually knew what they were doing, and didn't trash everyone around them, they would own Disney and or whatever they wanted. "Rounders" is a good example...Matt Damon was hot after "Good Will Hunting" but Miramax failed to market "Rounders" and AMAZINGLY, it didn't have a strong box office. And yet, it's on cable every week and I routinely get into doing John Malkovich dialogue while playing poker at the casino. Bottom line...the letter is dead on. Good job, man.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I know there are positive reviews on the DVD box

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    But I'm beginning to think I'm the only person on the planet that was floored by Munich. It had more than a few flaws but Spielberg showed he's master in more than a few scenes. It wasn't the best movie that year but it's my favorite by far of the films nominated.<p>And Capote was fantastic. Between Hoffman and the guy who played the killer he was interviewing I was in awe.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by HoboCode

    Well they did give it to Return of the King, which felt justified, but Master and Commander deserved to win for sure.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by Jonah Echo

    yea, that's what I said. It was necessary, but it wasn't persay fun. For example, the smart cousin was far more useful in the long run, once I actually contemplated the fact I might live past 16 and need to do something wothwhile. <p> Also, there was a ton of schlock that predated Scream that was very similar. There is even an 80s attempt to do the same thing as Scream. It was called Student Bodies, and if you see it, then you have an appreciation for Scream and how well it handled the whole thing. Me, I actually preferred Scream 2. Thought the characters were better.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    NO.

    by Lost Jarv

    Return of The King won because Fellowship, which should have, didn't. Off that year's list it should have been Master and Commander

  • July 22, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Rounders was one of Norton's best

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    It blew my mind that wasn't a top five movie at the box office. I didn't really know about it until it was on VHS and DVD. <p> It was worth just to see Malcovich say "Mr. Son of Beech...I stick it to you."

  • July 22, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Lost..

    by Jonah Echo

    maybe, but I think ROTK was a slightly better movie than M&C. Barely matters. Both were excellent. And we all know that League of Extraordinary Gentleman should have won every award for anything ever that year.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I love Student Bodies

    by Lost Jarv

    and it is ahead of it's time. If Scream had been made at the same time, it would have also fallen off the radar. <P>Basically, it's folly to say in any way shape or form that Last Summer is better. <P>Scream had a young Rose McGowan crushed in a garage door- which is still one of my favourite deaths.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Unforgiven also managed to win.

    by HoboCode

    That was the right choice for sure.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    ROTK

    by Lost Jarv

    again, though, that wasn't a great list. REally, the Best Film in any fucking language released that year was City of God.<P>The Academy sucks. Frankly.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    and Silence of the Lambs.

    by HoboCode

  • July 22, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Unforgiven is the exception that proves the rule

    by Lost Jarv

    How the fuck did A few Good Men get on that list?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Shakespeare in Love won..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Thank god, because I was so worried that they might give it to Saving Private Ryan.<p> Dear God I am very much joking of course.<p> Actually it hurt to write that even in jest.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    City of God

    by HoboCode

    Definitely the best that year but it was not eligible becasue of some bullshit loophole if I recall. either that or Brazil shafted it becasue of it's perceived negative depiction of Rio.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Last time the Academy got it 100% right

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Was 15 years ago. Incredibly enough, they got it right two years in a row with Unforgiven and Schindler's. Since then, only Gladiator and Return of the King haven't bothered me but they were NOT the best films either year.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    eh, we will just make oursevles bitter..

    by Jonah Echo

    lets get back to b-movies and little movies that could. <p> Speaking of which, any fans of the original Trancers here? The movie before all the crummy sequels? It had Tim Thomerson and a young Helen Hunt. A fun sci-fi movie that sadly never truly got the props it deserved.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I was going to type

    by Lost Jarv

    that Silence of The Lambs is way overrated and should not have won, but I've just looked at the other nominees which, aside from Beauty and The Beast, were drivel. <P>But there were better films from that year not nominated

  • July 22, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I love Scanner Force

    by Lost Jarv

    That naked Scanner bird that takes the psycho pills to control her headache was awesome.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Jarv..

    by Jonah Echo

    there are always better movies nominated. Incidentally, I think this year mostly did well with nominating both No Country and There Will Be Blood. In fact, if we could have traded out Michael Clayton for Jesse James, it would have been a great representation of the year, I think.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I quite like Shakespeare in Love

    by Lost Jarv

    that Masters I got in English Literature was stroked like a cat by that film- Webster torturing mice etc. <P>If ever there's a smug over-educated film, it's that one.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    sorry I meant..

    by Jonah Echo

    there are always better movies that are NOT nominated

  • July 22, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    This year wasn't a bad try

    by Lost Jarv

    and it's a fucking scandal that none of the Scanners films have been looked at. They're all good. <P>I kind of think Cronenburg was a bit robbed with Eastern Promises this year. And Fincher was absolutely snubbed with Zodiac.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Perhaps 2008 has just been strong full stop

    by Lost Jarv

    It has needed to be after years of fucking horrible shite.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    So, how bout some low budget sci-fi

    by Jonah Echo

    that got it right? Maybe some people aren't so familiar with? Obviously we all know Pitch Black and Terminator. <p> One I rather liked a bit from recent years was The Final Cut. Anyone agree?

  • July 22, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Trancers also had Telma Hopkins

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Who played Aunt Rachel in Family Matters. She is also the female voice that shouts 'Shut yo mouth' in the Shaft theme song.<p> Thought I would throw that out there.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    2004 was the worst year ever

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    There was not a single film nominated that was ever remotely the best film of the year. Looking at that list makes me cut myself.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Never saw the Final cut

    by Lost Jarv

    Wonder why. <P>This is fucking ironic- shlock TB regulars discussing high-brow entertainment.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Arrrrggh...You are right Jarv...I forgot

    by Jonah Echo

    ZODIAC!!! That was true blue robbery. Zodiac was amazing, and gets moreso each time I see it.

  • July 22, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Eternal Sunshine or The Incredibles

    by Lost Jarv

    are both better than every film on the best film list. Fucking horrible. The Aviator especially. <P>Of that list, as shit as it is, Million Dollar Baby probably is the best.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Michael Clayton was deserved.

    by HoboCode

    Great fucking movie.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Jarv..

    by Jonah Echo

    the reason, and it touches upon what Mori discusses above, is that what you have here aren't just schlock lovers, but movie lovers. Sometimes you will be surprised by the people who would go see Shakespeare in Love, and then duck back in to go check out The Faculty, or vice versa. <p> Also, did it ever dawn on anyone that the way to have done Grindhouse was not to make two imitators but take lowbudget fare like this, and pair it together with something else. I guess in the day of the absentee drive-in, this wouldnt work.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    If you swapped Atonement, Juno and Michael Clayton

    by Lost Jarv

    for Jesse James, Zodiac and Eastern Promises then that's probably the best 5 films of 2007-2008

  • July 22, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I liked The Faculty

    by Lost Jarv

    *runs away in ......* <P>NO, FUCK IT, "MY NAME IS JARV AND I LIKED THE FACULTY"

  • July 22, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Silence of the Lambs overrated?!

    by HoboCode

    Looks like I'll be having my old friend Lost Jarv for dinner. pfht pfht pfht phfht.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Manhunter> Silence of The Lambs

    by Lost Jarv

    and on Grindhouse, what they should have done was bin that shitty Tarantino effort. It was Death Proof that killed it.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I would love it if they did that again

    by Lost Jarv

    sadly, those days are gone.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I mostly liked The Faculty too..

    by Jonah Echo

    mostly. It was a bit sloppy. My point was that not everyone breaks down into "Loves Transformers but can't read a subtitle even if it was showing up to inform him the theater was on fire and he must leave" to "I play all of Ozu's films on a giant screen above my head while I sleep every night". Start getting creative with your marketing and see that there has to be an overlap somewhere.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Manhunter > Red Dragon

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    But I still would have to place Silence of the Lambs ahead of it.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    My heart was cheered..

    by Jonah Echo

    when Sigourney got the nom for Aliens, or when Depp got nommed for Sparrow, but let's face it, the Academy is still far away from doing the right thing by genre films. If Dark Knight gets a best picture nom, that will be in the right direction, but I'm not holding my breath.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    How about Visting Hours with the great Michael Ironside?

    by toadkillerdog

    Not to mention the even greater Shat!

  • July 22, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Yes, Zodiac was robbed

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    But maybe it was its release date. Wasn't it the deadzone as far as voters remembering it?<p> That scene with the couple enjoying the outdoors and the killer shows up...wow.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Has A genre film ever won anything

    by Lost Jarv

    Seriously, and some of them are in the Unarguably best fucking films of all time list. (2001 leaping to mind)

  • July 22, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Sci-Fi will always rule some parts...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    It's like the Oscar voters are content to throw it all the technical awards and think that is good enough.<p> I think if a movie is good enough, then who cares what genre it is from?

  • July 22, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Jonah

    by Lost Jarv

    totally agree, and the marketing for shlock is tricky- see the Snakes on a Plane fiasco. <P>But how on earth are the likes of me (and I bet it never even gets a UK release), ever going to see it if they don't tell us about it, or put it on a fucking screen. <P>It's daft. And surely this must impact on DVD sales?

  • July 22, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Hannibal Ranking

    by HoboCode

    Silence of the Lambs > Manhunter > Hannibal > Red Dragon

  • July 22, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    what I particularly loathe

    by Lost Jarv

    are actors that take roles because they are Oscar Bait (Forrest Gump leaping to mind). <P>Has anyone seen Death of a Salesman with Dustin Hoffman and John Malkovich. It's ok- but watch Rain Man straight afterwards and tell me that Hoffman isn't repeating his exact Willy Loman Performance. It's a joke.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Node

    by Lost Jarv

    Manhunter> Silence> Hannibal> RD> Hannibal Rising

  • July 22, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    but really, the top 2

    by Lost Jarv

    are so far ahead of the others it's astounding. And that's despite Oldman's deranged turn in Hannibal.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Gladiator and ROTK are genre that won

    by toadkillerdog

    I think that Fellowship was better than either ROTK or Two Towers - but I actually enjoyed Two Towers more.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    yea, and then even when something does get nommed..

    by Jonah Echo

    they always seem to take other factors into consideration..For example, regardless of how witless you think Transformers was, the fx work was far beyond Golden Compass. But the Academy, probably feeling upset that a toy commerical even got nominated, gave it to the aetheist Coke commercial instead.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    You know, Red Dragon should be good

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I looked at the cast of that movie and thought 'wow!'<p> I then went to theater and thought 'Meh.'<p> It pissed me off because that should have been at least a very good flick.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You're the first guy around here (other than myself) who enjoyed Michael Clayton. I'm not sure if it's due to the Clooney backlash (which I've never understood, I think he's a great actor and who cares if he mugs it up) or because people thought it was boring. Jesse James was boring as f**k but in the best possible way because it was also gripping as hell and possibly the best movie of the year behind Zodiac.<p>Folks who hated Michael Clayton need to read the script. It's one of the best I've ever read only a retard thinks that Juno junk was more well written.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Manhunter is simply off the charts good

    by toadkillerdog

    And I love Silence and I will fistfight or at least thumb my nose, at anyone who says it is not a good movie. But Manhunter is out of left field great. Totally unexpected. <p> What the hell ever happened to Demme?

  • July 22, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Not quite.

    by DocPazuzu

    My bender doesn't get launched until Tuesday next week -- 13 days with a huge, fuck-off pile of DVDs, booze, unhealthy food and no wife and kid. I might add that for eight of those days, I'm off work. <p> Oh yes.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    I like Michael Clayton

    by Lost Jarv

    but I don't think it's better than Zodiac, Eastern promises, or Jesse James. <P>Juno is dreadful. Sorry, but it is.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Jonah - Visiting Hours

    by toadkillerdog

    Candadian! Ironside! Horror! Shat! What more can you ask for?

  • July 22, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Sorry Doc,

    by Lost Jarv

    thought it was today. <P>Mine starts friday with Batman marathon, then Dark Knight Saturday and then into a Mcclure Marathon as I have next week off.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Doc! Old home week around here now. Where is Danny and Abom?

    by toadkillerdog

    Lets get the party started!

  • July 22, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Tilda Swinton was fucking great in MC

    by Lost Jarv

    there can be no denying this.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Off home,

    by Lost Jarv

    This has been a great TB. See you tomorrow. <P>Bitchslap Memories if he shows up.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Michael Clayton and Visiting Hours

    by Jonah Echo

    Im sorry. I forgot about Juno. Michael Clayton was a great movie. I'm actually recalling the nominated movie differently. Part of my clouded brain actually thought Into the Wild was nominated. I liked all the nominees, even Juno, but Michael Clayton was better than Juno and Atonement. Nix my statement above. <p> And Visiting Hours is worthy, and creepy. It's a hospital based thriller mostly. Ironside was super creepy. And the Shat was shatting his heart out in that one. As always. It's a good slasher. A bit more unsettling than most, probably due to the creepy score and lighting.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Yes, he shat himself in that movie.

    by toadkillerdog

    I remember that like yesterday. It was a very creepy movie, that holds up very well. Not very well known though.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    NO movies last year were as good as Zodiac or Jesse James

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Which is all the more infuriating since neither of them was nominated.<p>And what kind of voting wanker thinks Juno was better than Eastern Promises, 3:10 To Yuma, Gone Baby Gone, Into the Wild and The Great Debaters? Christ, Charlie Wilson's War and American Gangster were better than that tripe. Such a good year for movies for a change and sewage gets the nod.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    TAOJJBTCRF

    by HoboCode

    I wanted to like it and I did for the most part. I thought it had some insanely greta moments. And Zoe Deschanel is unrecognizable (thankfully) in her small role. but the actual scene where Ford kills JJ is annoying as fuck. I mean what was a brutally honest and relaistic account up until that point seemed to jerk into a surreal fantasy at that point.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Node

    by toadkillerdog

    BraneRobot would be proud of the way you are slapping USC around! Just kidding, but that guy really does need a timeout.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Fuck I need to proofread.

    by HoboCode

  • July 22, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    USC is a fucking moron.

    by HoboCode

    Insinuating The Dark Knight is a conservative propaganda piece for illegal spying and torture is beyond imbecilic.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    My top 10 of 2007 were:

    by HoboCode

    1. There Will Be Blood<p> 2. No End in Sight<p> 3. Zodiac<p> 4. Once<p> 5. Michael Clayton<p> 6. The Mist<p> 7. Gone Baby Gone<p> 8. Sicko<p> 9. Eastern Promises<p> 10. No Country for Old Men

  • July 22, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    The stars are in alignment for a return to the days of yore

    by toadkillerdog

    When battle royale waged across the TB landscape. BSB is back from honeymoon. I'm back from vacation. Brane has resurfaced as BlackCrippler. Morbid and Chrism nowhere to be found though. But new trolls on the left and right are coming out of the woodwork.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Agreed on There Will Be Blood

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Thought it could be overhyped buzz about movie, but then I watched it.<p> Wow, to see the tranformation from smiling and feeding his son in the tent at the begining and talking to him at his desk in the end...<p> Very much love this movie.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Damn fine list. Don't think it would match 100% mine but I can't disagree with a single choice. How freakin rare is that on a TB?<p>And Once should have earned the spot Juno had.<p>I stopped reading TDK thread because of USC. He's an ass.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    An open letter to FlipZide Pictures (the shit factory making McW

    by womprats

    Dear FlipZide Pictures, Producing crap like Extreme Movie and Autopsy doesn't seem to have lessened your appetite for shit-tastic screenplays. Please don't waste the $23005 you were going to invest to make Drew McWeeny's laughably bad "Bat Out of Hell" script. No one wants to see another bad Twilight Zone episode ripoff. And if you do make it, please let us know when it has its world premiere on Showtime so we can cancel our subscriptions in advance. Sincerely, Horror Movie Fans Everywhere ps- Hey Bore-iarty, if you're going to pretend that all of the talkbackers slamming your asinine opinion doesn't bruise your fragile ego, you might want to avoid replying to each one individually, like some 12 year old girl crying on her myspace.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Jarv - IKWYDLS2

    by spud mcspud

    That fiat white Rasta kid was Jack Black. Yes, it was.<P> Agree with you on SCREAM - awesome at the time, more a video curio now. Though Jamie Kennedy is talking up a SCREAM 4 that the studio is supposedly trying to keep on the down low - and they won't make it without Wes Craven!<P> Hopefully the ELM ST 1 and SCREAM Craven, NOT the CURSED and SHOCKER Craven. Okay, I DID like SHOCKER.<P> Oh, and to paraphrase the Commitments: Say it once, say it loud. I LIKED THE FACULTY AND I'M PROUD!!!<P> Proud, I telss ya. "Showdown..."

  • July 22, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    FATFUCK was on here yesterday, toad.

    by HoboCode

    I can't remember where though. I didn't confront him. Where was BlackCrippler? Is it really Branes.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    CCGB - There Will Be Blood

    by spud mcspud

    Haven't yet seen it, but EMPIRE did their usual fucked-up spoiler thing and printed the last scene of the movie in their mag last month. I read it, couldn't believe how funny it sounded, then watched it with no context whatsoever on YouTube. I damn near pissed myself laughing. Then I found a version where someone looped the DDL dancing towards the other guy bit so it looked like he was dancing, and put Kelis' MILKSHAKE over it. Even fucking funnier. So now I don't know if I dare watch the movie, because no matter how dramatic and awesome it is, that ending may still make me howl with laughter.<P> "I drink your milkshake! I drink it up! DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINAGE! DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINAAAAAAGE!!!"<P> Should I just STFU and watch it? Is it really THAT great?!?

  • July 22, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Node and top ten list...

    by just pillow talk

    I've only seen three of those movies...sigh..<p>I loved Zodiac and Eastern Promises...but I didn't like Sicko at all.<p>And Jesse James...I don't know what it is, but the performances were of course top-notch...but it was just an okay movie for me. Frankly, it was too boring for me in spots that seemed to take the wind out of my sails a bit. <p>And I think the continuation of the movie after Jesse was killed...I know, I know, it was about Robert Ford...but I think that took away from my experience. I was just left with a "it was okay" taste in my mouth.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by spud mcspud

    I'm hoping to see Tegujai Batir and Smashing again at the annual Flame Wars, in the honourable "For and Against: the Dr Who RTD Gay Agenda TB" section. I was actually stalked by that Batir dude across several TBs, and that was strangely creepy. Every comment I made, the fucker replied!<P> Ah, those were the days. Nowadays, everyone's so goshdarned polite.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    still haven't seen Michael Clayton

    by just pillow talk

    Heard good things about it, and count me as someone who likes Georgie's work.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by spud mcspud

    Wow. I actually haven't seen ANY of those movies. Call me an iverse movie snob - I avoid anything arthousey or overly Oscar-baiting.<P> I know, I know, I'm missing out...

  • July 22, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Iverse = Inverse

    by spud mcspud

    I needs me a new keyboard...

  • July 22, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    For Drew and the rest that want to support OUTLANDER

    by Turd Furgusen

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2385224410 <p> I'm sure myspace has one too. If you want to do something and get the word out, here's your chance. I'll do my part to support it. Grassroots has worked in the past.<p> Get enough people to become "aware" of this movie. If they like the idea then great, if not, also great. The point is, the more people you can share this with, the more likely 50 theaters will get expanded to 100 or more and at least give the movie a chance. <p> That's all Drew is asking in that letter. I support him because I liked the concept and look of the movie. If you don't like the movie, but have a friend that might, let them know about the project.<p> Again, I could be wrong, but Mori's letter is a just a plea to give the movie a chance. It's buried without marketing, and it looks like word of mouth is the only marketing it is going to get.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    TKD

    by Xiphos_2

    I noticed that morbidobesity was in a TV Tb I skimmed the other day.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    TKD Never mind

    by Xiphos_2

    I see Node already posted this. Note to self read entire TB before posting.

  • July 22, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    You guys I had a dream about Inglorious Basterds

    by theredtoad

    I pictured the film in my head. I saw the stars being Ving Rhames, George Foreman, Leo DiCaprio, and Sly. It was AWESOME!!!!!

  • July 22, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    OUTLANDER Looks Pretty Sweet!

    by KISSman24

    After watching 2 trailers to this film, I would definitely pay to see this one. I really like the premise and I especially like that it isn't a cookie-cutter 'dragon', but purposely different-looking because it's an alien creature. If marketed properly, I think it could at least make its money back just in US theaters alone.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Spud trust me on TWBB

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Yes, I had heard of the 'Ill drink your Milkshake!' quote.<p> But I was so into the movie I didn't laugh until afterwards.<p> Trust me, never go bowling at Plainviews house if he holds a grudge against you.<p> Trust me....

  • July 22, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Hey Xi!

    by toadkillerdog

    Good to see you man. There are som low level trolls that are keeping the place hopping, but nothing like the all out Brane wars. But you know it is coming.<p> Spud, I am not familiar with the TB'ers you mentioned, but there are plenty of trolls to go around.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Set Photos from Outlander- SPOILERS!

    by Turd Furgusen

    http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=2385224410&view=all <p> Some pretty cools shots. There are some pictures that may give away some plot points. <p> That's why I gave a warning. Look at page seven for a very cool concept art of the Moorwen.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Facebook won't link for me..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    SPOILER ALERT!!!!<p> G4tv.com has an interview with designer Patrick Tatopoulos and it shows a model of the Moorwen.<p> I like the way it looks fast, yet muscular and strong.<p> Damn, I'm getting more and more excited about this flick.

  • July 22, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    the moorwen story/reveal is pretty good sounding

    by ironic_name

    see it if you can, CAV IS SUPES!

  • July 22, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Chitty....

    by Turd Furgusen

    Just go to facebook and do a search for OUTLANDER. <p> You'll see the movie poster and link to the photos. There are some pretty good shots.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    If this thing gets a big release

    by Jonah Echo

    we should, as much as is possible, synchronize some screenings for it.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    And we are catching up with the dark knight talkback..

    by Jonah Echo

    bangarang!

  • July 22, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Moorwen...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Is it intelligent like the Predator, or more like Xenomorph from Alien?<p> Damn I dig movies like this. Creature design trumps Cloverfield design in my humble opinion.<p> Almost like Vermithrax Pejorative's pups and Dogs from Ghostbusters.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Chitty..

    by Jonah Echo

    that is some delicious creature design. Also the story, if done well, is so much fun! In recent years we have had The Host, Cloverfield, The Mist. I never imagined that Outlander would be anything other than sludge until I saw the trailer. It's exciting to think this might be a good time.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Jonah, I don't think you understand...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    How much I love creature features.<p> If it is a good creature design and performs well, I will forgive a tremendous amount of shoddy script, bad acting and lack of nudity.<p> Hell, I loved Cloverfield and you barely got to see it.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Also liked parts of Godzilla

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Just when Godzilla first comes to the city and you're just catching glipmses of the design.<p> See what I mean by forgiving a lot of movie tripe just for the creatures?<p> Me admitting that should let you know how much fun I have watching these things fuck shit up.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Sorry Jonah

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    But I jumped into that TDK thread to contribute. I'm a political animal and when people dangle it in my face, it's like taunting a junkyard dog with a steak.<p>We don't get enough creature features.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Chitty...I have the same disease..

    by Jonah Echo

    I saw Darkness Falls and Virus in the theater, and if I could have actually seen the monster in Virus, I probably would have liked it. <p> I'm just saying it's that much better when the monster has a good movie behind it. I'm such a sucker for creatures, that I even tried to watch AVP:R, much to my shame. <p> Did you see The Host chitty? Loved that creature design.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    What are you favorite designs Chitty

    by Jonah Echo

    one of mine is a bit of guilty pleasure, but it's the aliens from The Arrival, with their bendy knees. <p> And despite the crappiness of the movie surrounding it, the robot dog from Red Planet is also fun.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Saw both AVP movies in theaters..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Took the wife to see AVP:R because I told her it had to be better than the first one.<p> Bam! I lost that bet and had to go see TWO of her movies just even things out. Definatly Maybe was one of them and it was pretty good though so I didn't get payback too bad.<p> Finally got my hands on The Host dvd and watched it three times the first night. Once with wife, then with borther-in-law and then after everyone was asleep with a big, straight glass of Blanton's whiskey.<p> Loved the family almost as much as the creature.<p> Man, when that thing spots them and starts swinging like Tarzan under the bridge...or the tension as the little girl is climbing over it...don't get me started, I can talk about that movie all day.<p> Loved it, loved it, loved it.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Favorite Designs...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Pumpkinhead, The Predator (original), Vermithrax Pejorative, It's Alive baby, The Host, exo skeleton suit ID4 aliens wore, The Relic, male dragon from Reign of Fire, Spinosaurus from JP3, heck all of the dinos from JP series, Harry and the Hendersons, Cloverfield, Imperial Walkers, Balrog from LOTR, War of the Worlds tripods.<p> Damn, I'm rambling I need to step and think about this... and give top 5.<p> Yes, that alien in the Ariival freaked me out with the bassackward legs, as did the long-legged alian from Close Encounters.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    The Weinstein's Role with Outlander...

    by TheAD

    I think some things should be clear here. If OUTLANDER was actually the Weinstein's film, I could care less if they wanted to send it to DVD. But it ISN'T. Essentially OUTLANDER is indy funded through the Production company (which was not the Weinsteins, who are *only* the distributor for north america) <p>The weinstein company invested early on in exchange for the north american distribution rights. Their stake lies in getting the film out there. They aren't just hurting themselves if they send it to DVD They're screwing over the company (Ascendant Pictures who also made the groovy lucky number slevin) that actually made the film. I know it cost's money to put a feature in theaters but I sincerely doubt that 1250 screens wouldn't make up the difference even if it flopped. I really don't think they would be any worse off than not giving the movie a chance at all. That's what pisses me off. Feelings about Moriarty's writup aside, I think the movie deserves that chance, and as a viewer, I think the suits should respect us enough to give us the option.

  • July 22, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    TheAD

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Movies like this, I go to theater AND buy the DVD. So they get double the money from me.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    And furthermore..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    All the alien designs execept for the hybrid albino peice of shit at the end of Ressurection, Graboids from Tremors, King Kong, T-Rex's in King Kong, toy monkey in the Devil's Gift (Jonah's Fav!) I'll think of more in a sec...

  • July 22, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    If this is a disease, then I don't want a cure

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Also it's OK to love your creature design, just don't loooove your creature design.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Chitty...all those are classics

    by Jonah Echo

    and the very height of monster perfection. Don't forget the old designs. Primitive, but good. The Cyclops from 7th Voyage, Ymir, Medusa, Pegasus, The Kracken, etc. <p> And how bout this one not yet mentioned: The little troll from Cat's Eye. What a great little piece of work. Hellboy 2 is like an all you can eat buffet of creature design, Chitty.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    The Monster from the Id

    by Jonah Echo

    in Forbidden Planet, it's invisible body caught in that energy field. And the mushroom people. ahhh, the mushroom people. And if you want to talk about a fun monster design, cheap as he may be, The Snakeman from Dreamscape. Oh, the memories.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    the Rancor is also a great monster

    by Jonah Echo

    and The Thing...goodness how did I forget Carpenter's The Thing.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Cloverfield

    by Turd Furgusen

    Chitty,<p> I thought the same thing when I saw this monster. I wish it had been the Cloverfield monster instead. <P> I'm a huge creature feature nut too. It all stems from movies like"Creature from the Black Lagoon".

  • July 22, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Audrey II, Zuul, the Abyss aliens

    by Jonah Echo

    the Crites, Talos, Them, Zorgons, that crazy bat from Fright Night..PUGWORM from House II. In fact all those creatures: baby pterodactyl, skeletal horse. Awesome.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Which Cyclops died from big cat?

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Which Cyclops died after trying to help out with the witch that turned into a sabretooth tiger?<p> Damn, I remember feeling bad for the cyclops because he was just hanging out and helping and all.<p> Also forgot I liked the Kraken from POTC too. Davey Jones rocked too.<p> Speaking of energy field, I have the Johnny Quest episode on my ipod when they go to island and that one-eyed energy creature is tearing shit up. That thing scared me when I was kid.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    PUGWORM FOR PRESIDENT

    by Jonah Echo

    Yea, the art of creature design is pretty much the thing that got me into movies. First movie I recall watching with my dad was King Kong, the original, and the obsession was born right there. <p> And Chuck Russell's Blob was also gelatinously beautiful.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Sinbad and Eye of the Tiger

    by Jonah Echo

    and he was a trogolodyte. The Cyclops was killed by the dragon in 7th Voyage. How bout Loch Ness monster in 7 Faces of Dr. Lao?

  • July 22, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Ohhh forgot these..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Winged creatures ridden by Ring Wraiths in LOTR movies.<p> Also the Oliphants.<p> T-100 without skin.<p> I wished I could have seen the Sentinels in the training room in X-3.<p> And can't forget the Iron Giant!

  • July 22, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Sinbad!

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Yes, that was it! Damn I was drawing a blank.<p> Can't remember the Nessie from that movie, although I can't tell you the last time I have seen it.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Jonah - TERROR VISION!

    by spud mcspud

    Loved that satellite-born alien monstrosity. Chuck Russell's BLOB ruled - some fantastic deaths in that movie! - and I'm a big fan of the mushroom-that-was-a-wizard in TROLL (was it called Selwyn or something?). KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE - great monsters!<P> Even CLOVERFIELD was great. Yep, it's fair to say I loves me some monsters too.

  • July 22, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    CRITTERS...

    by spud mcspud

    ...They bite!<P> Though didn't the Critters remind you of Fizzgig (furry ball with three sets of teeth) in the firt all-you-can-eat-creature-feature-buffet THE DARK CRYSTAL? Man, every single creature in that whole fucking movie was AWESOME!

  • July 22, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Critters

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I remember seeing that one that looked like a baby coming out of the tiolet.<p> Of course it triggered my amazing fear of the baby in It's Alive.<p> I thought of getting therapy to see why that baby scared me so much. Damn I was petrified of that damn thing!

  • July 22, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    you guys

    by ironic_name

    will never beat the oleg thread: http://tinyurl.com/6posda

  • July 22, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    fuckin' tinyurl. here.

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/6q2qfv

  • July 22, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    the man shut us down, so we went here

    by ironic_name

    http://zone.aintitcool.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=70645&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=3200

  • July 22, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Damn, I remember that thread

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Funny stuff.<p> Also remember some classic Transformer threads that just exploded and the vintage Cloverfield discussions.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Elmer in BRAIN DAMAGE

    by palimpsest

    And Jack in THE SHINING

  • July 22, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    WNB

    by spud mcspud

    That must've been a US video box, 'cos if I saw that in the UK you KNOW I'd have got me one by now!<P> I love TERRO VISION. It is unapologetically, unremittingly awful, but lovable for it.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Go Mori

    by Wcwlkr

    I don't always agree with your critiques, hell most of the time I flat out disagree. But I commend you for expressing your feelings on a film that you think should get a chance. I definitely agree with your point of the constant dumping of these films to video or limited release is why we get stuck with sequels and remakes. A good movie shouldn't have to be based on on A-List actor name attached or 100 million dollar budget. Advertise the movie and see if people will come and see it, if Meet Dave can actually make it to the theatre than by God why not this action adventure with a different take on a classic story.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Most Excellent!

    by Turd Furgusen

    http://outlander.solsector.net/CONCEPT%20ART.htm <p> Moorwen at the bottom along with planetscape.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Q The Winged Serpent..

    by Jonah Echo

    the Chud's from the first movie-the movie was a bore, but they were pretty funky. <p> Again, the troll from Cat's Eye. Are there people out there who haven't seen this and love monsters? Fix your mistake. <p> a goofy mess, but memorable in it's goofiness is Meatloaf Bear from Prophecy. <p> Draco from Dragonheart was an awesome design. <p> Buckbeak from Harry Potter. <p> most all of Labyrinth. <P> The Tingler-hunks of rubber never scarier. <p> The Cenobites. <p> Gremlins of course. <p> The Gramork. <p> Ghidorah. <p> if animation counts, The Red Bull <p> The Judas Bugs

  • July 22, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Although he was in human form..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Billy Zane was one of favorite onscreen Demons in a while. Check out Tales From the Crypt: Demon Knight. Love this movie.<p> What about the piraha's with the wings?<p> Demon from Amityville III that came up from the well in the basement.<p> Winged beings in Beastmaster were pretty cool.<p> Dragon (or Hydra) in Willow.<p> Luck Dragon in Neverending Story.<p>

  • July 22, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    The Pale Man

    by Jonah Echo

    The Faun, obviously. <p> the Mondoshawan from The Fifth Element, and Gary Oldman's elephant pet. <p> the brain bug from Starship Troopers was a goofy fave. <p> The little bug eyed monster from the Tales from the Darkside episode called "Inside the Closet". That one was courtesy of Tom Savini. <p> the little goblins from The Gate. <p> The Reapers from Blade II. surprised it took me this long to mention them. <p> Sammael, Hound of the Ressurection.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    What about

    by Series7

    The monster from The Relic? I thought was wasn't half bad.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    and the

    by Series7

    Thing from Brother Hood of the Wolf, that kind of looked like the Relic monster.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    It's Alive baby...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    In the few days before my wife gave birth, I went online and saw where I could purchase an It's Alive puppet.<p> So I thought it would be cool to have everyone of our relatives at the glass and I whip back the blankie and start whipping that thing around.<P> Long story short, they were sold out on the website and wife didn't find the idea funny AT ALL.

  • July 22, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Also since this is about Vikings

    by Series7

    What about the bad ass James Earl Jones Snake in Conan?

  • July 22, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Kothoga from Relic was cool..

    by Jonah Echo

    basically if the Predator and Jurassic Park creature mated. <p> Fenrir from Runestone.Though lets face it, he looks like crap, and is mostly here because he is a viking related monster, and the cops actually say "Nah, it's not Fenrir. Probably some loon in a bulletproof dogsuit!'

  • July 22, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The It's Alive puppet baby..

    by Jonah Echo

    they actually have those?

  • July 22, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Pure genius, Chitty

    by spud mcspud

    The only way you could have bettered it would have been if you could buy a V: THE LAST BATTLE puppet for that little green bastard Blaire gave birth to. Or the normal-looking kid with the forked tongue. But that little green bastard... Guaranteed creep-out for sure!<P> Kudos, though. That would have rocked!

  • July 22, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Thank you...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I would have been thrown out of the nursery for sure.<p> I think I would have to find a back door to the hospital no doubt.<p> Although knowing my mom, ever the loving mother she is, would have said something like "Oh she looks like her daddy!"<p> I'm still going to get one though. Thanks for the link Danny, as I forgot where to get one. I will send pics after it comes in...

  • July 22, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    You got that right Spud

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    When I saw that scene in V, I just about had to turn away. Guys, I'm serious when I said little baby monsters creep me the fuck out.<p> Luckily my daughter is cuter than a box of kittens.

  • July 22, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    All Dark Crystal creatures kicked ass, Spud!

    by Puddleglum

    More Skeksis's please!

  • July 22, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    ChittyChitty...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... that's one of the pleasures of the film... the Moorwen may be dumb animals... or they may not be. And your assumptions about which one they are might just get your head torn off. Or your entire planet destroyed. Which is my not-terribly-coy way of saying they are very groovy monsters.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Doubleyou-En-Bee

    by Womb2dooM

    First Whiny, I apologise for calling you insane. That was me being a dick and hiding behind anonymity. I still question your motives here but obviously you have a consistent grudge and good luck with it.<p>Second, I am very well aware what site this is and it is a site that very often singles out entire groups of movies despite attention that may have been given to them in the past. My suggestion is to create YET ANOTHER feature where Aintitcool specifically identifies and advertises a movie that isn't getting studio support or the attention it arguably deserves. Maybe the wrong has gotten out and a needed talent(s) is about to get washed down the drain while we get another Alien Vs Predator movie. Sometimes the general DVD columns or the name dropping isn't enough and a dedicated article, like this one, would help create an awareness and active dialogue with the very fans who are going to get the kick in the arse and go see it. Mori's letter was a great first step so why not continue the standard. I'm sorry if this kind of irrational positivity is offensive to you. I'd be pissed too if I could only see the crappy, mundane aspects of life.

  • July 22, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I've always read that man is man's greatest foe. And while I certainly can see where that saying is coming from, I can actually argue it to a point.<p> You see, while mankind is indeed a very dangerous species, nearly everyone knows that man also has the gift of conciousness in general.<p> Even life-long criminals will kill a child molester when put in prison with them. That proves that some compassion is at least buried deep within not matter the person.<p> Most animals are without this. Unless it is there own species, all bets are off. Sort of like when Lions kill a Hyena, 95% of the time they don't eat it. They are trying to rid themselves of a species that will harm theirs.<p> What intrigues me about species like the Moorwen is they may possess not only a level of intelligence not seen since Raptors in Jurassic Park or the Xenomorphs, but maybe worse...<p> The intellegence of man with a lack of conciousness about killing anything that gets in its way.<p> Now that is truly a scary creature.

  • July 22, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Tough sell, in my opinion

    by Forsakyn

    I think the movie is a tough sell, honestly. I want to see it, but most viking movies have been passable (The 13th Warrior) to bad (Pathfinder). Granted, there aren't many of them, but this one has a spaceman, an alien dragon, and vikings. And the passable to bad viking movies that preceded it won't help anticipation for Outlander in any respect. Don't get me wrong - Outlander definitely interests me. But I think a lot folks could just go "huh?" or even laugh during the trailers they've shown so far (so I agree with Moriarty in that they haven't been good). And the cast, while very good, aren't mainstream draws for most moviegoers. I don't know how I'd even try to sell this, honestly. I do want to see it, but if it does get a theatrical run I'd have a tough time convincing my wife to go with me. :)

  • July 22, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Speaking of monsters and Mori..

    by Jonah Echo

    Drew, not to change the subject too much, but when does your ep. of Fear Itself air? Is it this Thursday? I read your script and was intrigued enough that I want to see how Doug Jones handles the central character. <p> I think there is real potential there. Want to tune in with the wife and see how it goes down, provided it hasn't already aired.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Also..let me clarify..

    by Jonah Echo

    it sounds above like the script was just passing enough to entice. Not what I meant. It was a good read, but I think the actual final products of this show haven't been too fantastic thus far. So my hesitancy lies in that, not your work, which was a fine horror piece.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Jonah

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Moriarity's episode "Skin and Bones" is scheduled to air July 31st if I am not mistaken. I'm looking forward to it.<p> Can't wait to see how he handled the struggle within.<p> Sort of Like Ed Harley and Pumpkinhead maybe? Seperate but the same?<p>

  • July 22, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

  • July 22, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I meant to say...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    The Rancher and the Monster share the same soul maybe? Or share pain?<p> I didn't mean to imply it was just like Pumpkinhead or trying to copy it. I was comparing the struggle of the characters and how they can't help but be fatally tied together so to speak.<p> Sorry.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    did you read it chitty?

    by Jonah Echo

    he made it available for reading.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    there's something of a posession vibe to the whole thing..

    by Jonah Echo

    with the wendigo myth sort of hanging over the whole story, and becoming more and more concrete as the story progresses. Basically, you have a man sick in bed, who nearly died, and there is that classic question-who came home, the guy who left, or the guy that was born out of that ordeal? Good bit going on in a story that moves pretty straightforwardly. <p> If Fessenden did it justice, and I know he is capable of it, then this will be a spooky good time.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    No Jonah, but i would like to

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I've been reading this site for years, but have only recently logged in.<p> I saw a talkback about it, but got too busy at work, newborn baby, etc, etc.<p> Where would I find a copy? I googled his episode and came up with the air date, but nothing really else.<p> Does he mind if we read it?<p> I really love to write and would like to read and hopefully learn a thing or two.<p> I used to write for a small paper and was told I could do whatever I wanted in my department. LOVED IT.<p> But the pay was chicken feed and I bowed down to the almighty dollar and the 9-5 that came with it.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    No, he made it available online..also

    by Jonah Echo

    it is only fair we point out he AND Scott Swan(his writing partner) created it together. This would be their third script for the anthology format after Cigarette Burns and Pro-Life. Personally, Skin and Bones is less flashy, but also a bit more(pardon the pun) raw, I think than those 2. <p> Let me see if I can find the link for you.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Does it have cannabilistic overtones?

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I know I read something about the Indian myth of the Wendigo was a spirit that transformed from human or could possess a human.<p> Mainly due to the eating of human flesh and the mortal and spiritual taboo that follows the eating of one's own species.<p> Maybe causes the true evil of man to manifest itself in physical form?

  • July 22, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Actually it airs the 24th...it seems..

    by Jonah Echo

    and here is the link, complete with place to download the script. He said it will be available til the episode airs, so get it now. <p> I'd love to still have this talkback running so we can discuss it when it airs amongst all the other horror fans running about here.

  • July 22, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    oh yea..the link

    by Jonah Echo

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37450

  • July 22, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Chitty

    by Jonah Echo

    yes, it's more along the cannibalism myth than the more forest spirit path that Fessenden explored with Wendigo and Last Winter(two movies I truly enjoyed).

  • July 22, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    ok, gotta go. have a goodnight..

    by Jonah Echo

    Also, noticed tonight at Best Buy, they were selling Thirteenth Warrior for 6 bucks. For all those who were talking fondly of it earlier.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Calling it a night as well

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I will start back posting in this talkback tomorrow to try and help keep it going.<p> I also had fun in the Friday the 13th talkback and The Stand talkback as well.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Just read the Wendigo script

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Not bad at all. So far sounds like the best of the lot.<p> Hope the director played up the isolation of the house on the moutain, as it makes the victims and the viewers feel even more helpless.<p> Also would like to see Wendigo creature as something like Pumpkinhead or similar, not just a zombie. But I know budgets can make those decisions for you.<p> Script reads very well Moriarty. Well done.

  • July 22, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Now I should go to bed.

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Script got me hooked and had to finish it.

  • July 22, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    I'm hoping that the...

    by TheAD

    Producers at ascendant are pushing to get a wider release. But if 50 theaters is all we get I sure as hell hope one of them is close enough to where I live, but it will be doubtful considering I'm in the middle of nowhere with the nearest large center is a six hour drive away... and even that city probably wouldn't get it if it's only on 50 screens. <p>At the very least one of them better be in Halifax so all the people who were actually in it and working on it can go see it. <p>Barring that, The Locarno Film festival in Switzerland is playing the movie in roughly two weeks. Hopefully it gets some great buzz. It's not in contention but it will be up for a peoples choice award for it's "premiere" as well as some other Variety sponsored award. <p>And then it will be playing throughout the month at the Fantasy Filmfest in Germany... <p>I can't remember if I stated it or not, but the actual cost of the film is more than just slightly north of 30mil. It's "official" budget is about 40 million (originaly it was closer to 32million) and final costs are rumored to be about 47 million dollars.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    whats that wendigo movie where an indian grows outta

    by ironic_name

    some lady's shoulder? <P> there was a naked tits outer space laser battle..

  • July 23, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Hmmm,

    by Lost Jarv

    My problem is, if this only gets 50 screens in the US then there isn't a fucking prayer London will get it. <P>I'm wondering if Frightfest will show it. I'll go and check

  • July 23, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Damn it. What an insipid list

    by Lost Jarv

    And I'm in fucking Spain when it's on. How annoying.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    There's only 2 I'd want to see anyway

    by Lost Jarv

    Midnight Meat Train and Trailer Park of Terror. Which just sounds like genius.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Heh,

    by Lost Jarv

    There's a film called I know how many runs you scored last summer that sounds amusing though.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Xiphos_2

    In reference ro a question you asked me waaaaaay earlier, I'm doing just fine thanks for asking. What's Trailer Park Of Terror? I have not heard about that one.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by spud mcspud

    TRAILER PARK OF TERROR. Is that the place where both Michael Lohan AND the Spears clan live? It's like a cannibalistic HILLS HAVE EYES situation where years of inbreeding keeps producing these amoral, unfeeling, brainless, compassionless bimbettes that live on crack cocaine and the subtle air of desperation, and who - inverting the classic tribal myth - only have souls when they ARE photographed. They get to Hollywood, begin reproducing a la SPECIES due to the copious amounts of crack cocaine around, and now E! NEWS is actually a covert pirate show designed to transmit a subwave subliminal message warning the world that the fucked-up trust-fund psychopaths are out here to destroy us all!<P> Is THAT the TRAILER PARK OF TERROR, or am I going insane?<P> Ah. I am indeed wrong.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Haven't the foggiest,

    by Lost Jarv

    but the title makes me want to see it.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    fuck off prettybaby

    by Lost Jarv

    you spamming shitbag. <P>Take your wanky dating site, polish it up and jam it up your arse.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Spammers are worse than plants

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm fuming. What a shitty day. So far I've been blamed for an admin error that is palpably not my fault, The Dark Knight TB has melt down and I've discovered I'm going to miss frightfest. <P>It's enough to drive me to the pub.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Spud

    by Lost Jarv

    Isn't the "cocaine" at the end of Crack-cocaine redundant? What other type of crack is there?

  • July 23, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Jarv...

    by just pillow talk

    I finally saw AVP:R.<p>Thoughts: It is not the most horrendous piece of shit I've seen, and I would say it was more entertaining than 10,000 BC (which ain't saying much). I would also argue that this one is still better than AVP since no humans actually became a Predator sidekick. <p>Plus, it did have Michelle from 24 whom I would really like 24 hours with.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    AvP:R

    by Lost Jarv

    a fucking absolute abomination, and a travesty. <P>True it didn't have a human sidekick and this is a good thing, but it did have a predalion that can impregnate women through the mouth, and committed the absolutely unfuckingforgivable sin of setting it in present day small town America. <P>At least AvP had the sense to set it somewhere exotic. <P>What bugs me (a lot) is why on earth can they not set it in Space?

  • July 23, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST

    in fact, now I think about it

    by Lost Jarv

    It's been a while since I saw it, and as I own a pirate copy I've seen it twice- the first time I watched it drunk (believing, erroneously, that this would improve it), and couldn't make out a fucking thing. I rewatched it sober, and STILL couldn't make out a fucking thing. <P>I wrote it off as a bad pirate copy, only to find out later from a mate that the copy I have is perfect and the fucking film is MEANT to look like that. How incompetent can you get?

  • July 23, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    I'm not defending the festering shit that is AvP

    by Lost Jarv

    just to make that clear. In fact, a lot of the blame for AvP:R lies with that first abortion.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    and on this subject

    by Lost Jarv

    I like to pretend that neither film exists. For me the Alien series ends at the end of Resurrection. And I'm not chuffed by the last third of that one either. Predator, obviously, only has the 2 films.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    oh my god

    by Lost Jarv

    We've droppped below a Top Gun TB. I'm not having that.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    I saw someone mention Critters up there

    by Lost Jarv

    Critters is fucking great. Not many people know this but it's actually a comedy/ satire/ spoof (delete as applicable) of gremlins. <P>Honest.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    and as for Darkness Falls.

    by Lost Jarv

    Yuck. What a steaming turd. As much as the premise is good, everyone involved in that fucking movie needs to be forced into working in hardcore corprophilia fetish porn. <P>Horrible shit.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    only 2 behind now

    by Lost Jarv

    this is easy,<P>Where is everybody? Not working surely?

  • July 23, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Critters

    by Lost Jarv

    1 is genuinly good, <p>2 is OK- worth it for the Easter Bunny death and the giant Krite Ball at the end, <p>3 is crap- with the only redeeming feature of the Krites being saved by the intergalictic equivalent of Greenpeace because they're about to go extinct, <p>4 sets it in Space following Jarv's golden rule for late sequels (you want a good one, set it in Space), so is therfore quite good. <P>Charlie is in all of them, but never stops being an annoying dick that you just want eaten.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    no disagreement there about the setting

    by just pillow talk

    No space = no fucking chance for those AVP movies.<p>I will still maintain that the second one is better than the first. For one thing, the two stoner dudes at the gun store (or whatever store it was) got their heads blown off by the predator, which was amusing. Secondly, the blonde chick had an amusing death as well running into the flying predator morning star thingy. <p>I can't stress this enough: no human sidekick who was given a "war mark" by a predator.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    regarding critters...

    by just pillow talk

    I've only seen the first two, and that was ages ago. I can't believe I don't recall the Easter Bunny death.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    top gun?

    by just pillow talk

    fuck off.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    I should be getting sunshine today

    by just pillow talk

    but I won't be able to get to it tonight. I'll have to probably do some school work. <p>If it was possible, I would send a web FLAMING LEG KICK to my professor and knock his ass back a quarter century.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    indian growing out of a womans shoulder..was..

    by Jonah Echo

    The Manitou, with Tony Curtis. Wow. What a flick!

  • July 23, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Whiny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Calling Gattaca crap? Christ, people hate on everything around here.<p>It might have had trailers and interviews but that still doesn't mean it flew under the radar. I was working at a Blockbuster at the time and I had to recommend that movie to practically everyone coming in because they had never heard of it.<p>Jarv, AVP:R was one of the worst shot movies ever. The sewer scenes were impossible to make out and the editing was worthless. The studio should have taken the loss and burned every print.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    2for2true, where art thou?

    by just pillow talk

    I needst you to dispatch an unholy shitheel, namely my professor. <p>Tell me thou lord whom I need to sacrifice to have this deed come to fruition?

  • July 23, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    um, I still haven't gotten to Gattaca

    by just pillow talk

    Just one of those things...<p>Sigh, so many movies, so little time.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    What godawful grammar

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Need another cup of coffee.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    The Monster that Challenged the World

    by just pillow talk

    Just watched that the other night. It's just classic. The "final battle" in the lab is just great. <p>Weapon of choice: axe on the back wall or a fire extinguisher? <p>Fire extinguisher!

  • July 23, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    My grammar is pretty awf....oh, yours...

    by just pillow talk

    Speaking of which, need #2...

  • July 23, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I know, I couldn't believe it.

    by Lost Jarv

    And for that reason more than any of the others, AvP:R is more of an atrocity than AvP. <P>*Although, Jarv would like to make extremely clear that he does not in any way condone "The enemy of my Enemy is my friend" shite or tribal marking a human sidekick. Nor does Jarv condone such stupidity as a 300 foot high queen Alien, and he absolutely treats with contempt the pathetic grab at credibility that was casting Lance Henriksson as Mr. Weyland*

  • July 23, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    furthermore,

    by Lost Jarv

    Jarv Recognises that they re-attempted this stupidity in AvP:R by having Ms Yutani in it. Jarv would like to hereby issue a biro fatwa on any and all studio idiots that think an Alien v Predator movie SET ON EARTH IN THE PRESENT DAY is a good idea. <P>It's fucking infuriating, because it can be done. If you take the end of Resurrection as your starting point and have Alien Eggs survive the crash and Earth be infected with a group of people trying to get off the planet and avoid the attention of the Aliens and the Predators then there's your fucking movie. <P>That took me 3 seconds to think of. You could also blatantly steal Blade Runner's look and have a really fucking degenerate cyberpunk planet. <P>Aliens and Predators should be hazards avoided- by putting the v in the title they felt that they had to fight. This was wrong.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    the shoddy filming..it's too bad you could make out

    by just pillow talk

    too much of the first AVP.<p>AVP:R > AVP due to NO HUMAN FUCKING SIDEKICK OF A SUPPOSEDLY BAD ASS MUTHAFUCKER OF A PREDATOR.<p>At least the dude in AVP:R was alone and was taking out tons of aliens along with a few human stooges. <p>Didn't another predator at the end of AVP giver her a fucking staff too?<p>Sorry, the film could have been completely consumed in darkness, and AVP:R would be better.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    "Aliens and Predators should be hazards avoided"

    by Lost Jarv

    Fuck's sake: <P>Aliens and Predators should be natural hazards that are to be avoided. <P>We used to smarter

  • July 23, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    as I remember

    by Lost Jarv

    the human sidekick nonsense actually has pedigree from the comics, so not really the films fault, although an obviously bad idea. And the staff thing is a blatant reference to predator 2 and just sums up the desperate grabs for credibility made in it.<P>But really, pillows, Walmart + Predalion + shot in pitch fucking black + Pizza delivery boy= worse than AvP

  • July 23, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    bottom line: I will never watch either again

    by just pillow talk

    Fuck, what they could have done was drop them in 10,000 BC and have them fuck up mammoths and tribesman and sabertooth tigers and whatnot.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    They are both fucking disgraceful, frankly,

    by Lost Jarv

    and have managed to kill off 2 gold standard Sci-fi series. I think that's why they upset me so much.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    shit...I forgot about that in Predator 2

    by just pillow talk

    That movie sucked too.<p>If you're not named Arnold, you shouldn't survive an encounter with a Predator, let alone become a "Robin" to their "Batman".

  • July 23, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    most definitely...destroy two franchises at once

    by just pillow talk

    Though I only like the first Predator film, not the second.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    ok...securely in the second spot now

    by just pillow talk

    So do I actually do work now, or schoolwork?

  • July 23, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    I like lots of things about the second

    by Lost Jarv

    The Glove, obviously, the dystopian setting, Hudson, Gary Busey and more. <P>But don't forget that Predator 2 is to blame for AvP. It wasn't even an idea before some dick put an Alien skeleton in the Predators ship.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    neither.

    by Lost Jarv

    Post here.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    and...

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm not doing any work today since I got blamed for that admin fuckup.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    maybe Nolan should come and save Alien

    by Lost Jarv

    Either that or Neil Marshall/ James Cameron/ Ridley Scott. <P>Ain't ever going to happen though.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    you would need to have mayhem...

    by just pillow talk

    absolute mayhem for a next installment.<p>I like the Neil Marshall idea...for Aliens I think. More in line with the first one I think is in order.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST

    didn't Gary have that line...

    by just pillow talk

    lions and tigers and bears oh my?

  • July 23, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    BTW, to reiterate...

    by just pillow talk

    Pathfinder sucked.<p>13th Warrior ruled.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    oh, and love the title Ninja Assassin

    by just pillow talk

    We haven't had a dumb ninja movie in a while I think. When was the last one?

  • July 23, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Yes, but if they're going to insist on AvP bullshit

    by Lost Jarv

    then they need to hire Marshall and follow my fucking blueprint up there. <P>I'll even write the cunting story for them- it isn't hard. <P>Obviously, I can't possibly write a script and I'd steal ideas from everywhere.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Ninjas went out of fashion

    by Lost Jarv

    I blame Kill Bill. <P>But I'm right off Tarantino at the moment. Fucking Death Proof.

  • July 23, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Has anyone seen Zatoichi?

    by Lost Jarv

    I think that's the right spelling- the one with old guy SPOILER pretending to be blind that comes to a small town in fuedal Japan and kicks some ass.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    and as for Kill Bill part 2

    by Lost Jarv

    has there ever been a slower moving, more insipid, festering load of wank that had the fucking temerity to retread massive swathes of the first film and then present such a horrible fucking anti-climax as that one? <P>Kill Bill is Tarantino's nuked fridge

  • July 23, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Jarv - you da man!

    by toadkillerdog

    Keeping the TB alive and on top all by yourself!

  • July 23, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Top 10 disappointments

    by Lost Jarv

    10) Hannibal. Looked great. Was in fact crap. <P>9)X3- yuck. Where to begin? <P>8)Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon- raved to the gills, but the worries started with "It's Jane Austin". Oh deary, deary me. <P>7)Indaina Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull- should have been gold. Was in fact deeply mediocre, and this is unforgivable for an Indy film. <P>6)Superman Returns. I could bash this endlessly. <P>5)Attack of the clones- I was tricked into seeing this, as I was damned sure it would be ass. It was, in fact, worse than ass. <P>4)The Ring Remake. This was a film dying for a good remake- lose all the Goblin crap from the creepy japanese one, and keep that bleak as fuck ending. We didn't get one. But we were never going to as soon as that tool Kruger was hired to write it. He made it worse by cribbing from the inferior sequel and for some inexplicable reason they CGI-d Sadako. Why would you do this? <P>3)Kill Bill 2. See above <P>2)Spiderman 3. How did you fuck this up? idiots. And it was the same creative team. <P>1)The Phantom Menace. Obviously. <P>I'm really worried that TDK is going to be another Phantom Menace moment.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    TKD

    by Lost Jarv

    yup, and I haven't even started typing in insipid lyrics <P>ALL BY MY-SEL-EL-ELF <p>DON'T WANNA BE<P>You get the idea.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Zatoichi

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Ruled. I assume you're referring to the 2003 version. I watched that and Versus the same night a couple years back. Blind Fury was based on one of the many Zatoichi movies.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    I hated Kill Bill....what a piece of shit

    by just pillow talk

    That's a solid list of disappointments. I will not argue the order, because really, they're all shit to varying degrees. Phantom is of course #1 due to hype. <p>TDK was awesome...just fucking awesome.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    I can't complain about the summer movies

    by just pillow talk

    that I've seen.<p>Loved Iron Man, Hellboy 2, TDK...<p>Indy 4 was just okay (which I realize is a crime because of whom was involved and the length of wait), but really, I can't hate on it. Not at all. Though I have a feeling when I rewatch it the whole jungle scenes will bother me to no end.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Jarv...you still haven't seen TDK?

    by Jonah Echo

    It is in no way a phantom menace. <p> Right now, Im more concerned for the XFiles movie. Pleeeeaaassee don't suck.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    yup 2003 version

    by Lost Jarv

    glad I spelt it right,

  • July 23, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    It's not out here till tomorrow.

    by Lost Jarv

    Fucking ridiculous- I'm going saturday. I'm not bothered by spoilers though.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Just to clarify

    by Lost Jarv

    I didn't hate Indy. It was just completely mediocre. The reason it makes that list is as you said- length of wait and people involved. <P>That is sad really.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I disagree on CTHD and The Ring..

    by Jonah Echo

    I loved Crouching Tiger, and I enjoyed The Ring remake...However, I had not seen the original at that point. When I rented the original, it made the remake look like chopped liver. LOVED that ending with gramps and what not. <p> But the remake was fun and inspired me to seek out the original. It wasn't a disappointment, because I didn't expect anything from it. I also saw it on Halloween on a pseudo date with my future wife so that might have helped things.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I see you have Hannibal on your list at No. 10<p> Yes, I agree I was disappointed with that film, but to me the biggest letdown of the lot was Red Dragon.<p> When you look at the cast of that movie: Norton, Keitel, Hoffman, Parker, Fiennes, wow how did they screw that up?

  • July 23, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I was going to include the matrix sequels

    by Lost Jarv

    but I really am not head over heels in love with the original- so I wasn't that let down by them

  • July 23, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Jarv - I almost agree with your list

    by toadkillerdog

    I gotta admit I liked Crouching Tiger. TDK is a great summer movie. You will not be disappointed. The hype and the backlash are out of proportion to the movie. It is a an enjoyable summer entertainment - and really should not be taken as seriously as some people are wont to do.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Hopkins too!

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Forgot to add him...

  • July 23, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    The Ring

    by Lost Jarv

    I saw the original first- and when I heard it was getting remade I was seriously excited. <P>This list is subjective, everyone is bound to have a different top 10. <P>Red Dragon didn't make the list because I knew Ratner was directing it and I already didn't expect it to hold a candle to Manhunter. Hannibal on the other hand was Ridley fucking Scott- Julianne Moore, Hopkins, Gary Oldman, Ray Liotta, Directed by Ridley Scott. Should have been the shit.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Crouching Tiger

    by Lost Jarv

    when it came out, it was all over the place that this was The great Ang Lee's martial arts epic and was the absolute tits. And I really, really did not like it. <P>My fault really, for building it up in my head to something it isn't. I should have paid attention to all the Jane Austen comments that Ang Lee was making at the time- then I wouldn't have been let down. Because I wouldn't have watched it.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I dislike all wire-fu martial arts movies

    by just pillow talk

    If you are doing a martial arts movie, the dudes better be able to do martial arts on their own.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Do you know who turned down Red Dragon

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Michael Bay! Yes, Michael fucking Bay!<p> Also Frankie Faison was ALL the Hannibal movies, including Mann's Manhunter.<p> Can you imagine Bay directing this?<p> Hopkins would kick over his bed in his cell and whip out a mini-gun like Arnold had in T-2.<p> Cut to slow motion shot of Norton diving out of the way....

  • July 23, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Big disappointments for me were..

    by Jonah Echo

    We will do this one by one, in no particular order of disappointment: <p> 1. Spielberg's War of the Worlds- This should have been pure spectacle. I recalled that teaser with a whole spielbergian neighborhood walking outside to a spectacular lightshow that was in actuality the forces of the martians fighting the military. It was awesome, and the movie only represented that in fits and starts. What gives? As a result I was massively bummed.No great characters, the Tim Robbins scene, the silliness of the buried machinery, the doofus ending.SIGH.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    there are so many other films on the periphery

    by Lost Jarv

    Matrix sequels, Death Proof, Million Dollar Baby, The Blair Witch Project, and so forth. <P>It's very, very rare for a film to live up to expectations. Such films should be cherished.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    A Bay Red Dragon

    by Lost Jarv

    does not bear thinking about. <P>The Tooth fairy pushes the flaming wheelchair down the street while a helicopter flies inexplicably by. Soundtrack by Aerosmith.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    2. Godzilla

    by Jonah Echo

    Yea, I know, Emmerich. What did I expect. Well at that point, I still had hopes Emmerich would develop into a fine schlockster. Stargate and ID4 were fun. I thought he could really do something awesome with Godzilla. But as soon as it started, it shot my dreams to death, as they stared at me with big sympathetic reptilian eyes.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    WOW....yes, it was held back from being what

    by just pillow talk

    it should have been. <p>It would have been better if the son wasn't in the movie at all. Or, if you absolutely have to have the annoying as fuck kid in it, don't have him come back from the bum rush up the hill into utter destruction and then miraclously turning up at the end.<p>Tim Robbins scene completely killed any momentum in the movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    WoW

    by Lost Jarv

    Yuck. Complete crap. Horrible effort. <P>I should have included AI.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Solid list of disappointments

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I would replace Crouching Tiger, The Ring and Kill Bill with Alien 3, War of the Worlds and sadly, Godzilla. Once again, I'm in jeopardy of losing my CoC membership because I just plain enjoyed both Kill Bills.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    hah...I've never seen Blair Witch Project

    by just pillow talk

    That was me fighting the hype.<p>Still haven't seen it.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Bay Red Dragon

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Tooth Fairy riding the back of the wheelchair down the street firing the mini-gun mounted to the back of it.<p> Cut to Keitel and Norton looking at each other and saying "We ride together, we die together..."<p> Car chase (sponsored by General Motors) ensues.<p>

  • July 23, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    placed on probation

    by just pillow talk

    Membership will be activated in full once again after you take out two fellow employees with a paper clip (the small size) and whiteout.<p>Bonus points awarded for creativity.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    War of the Worlds

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I liked the first scene of the Tripod coming out of the ground, the ferry scene, the overhead shots of the tripods and well, that's about it.<p> Okay, the tension when Fanning and Cruise were avoiding the probe in the basement was a little above average.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    while not a top ten disappointment...Crash

    by just pillow talk

    Talk about a overrated piece of shit.<p>Coincidence my ass.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    3. Armageddon

    by Jonah Echo

    I know, I know. Why, why, why did I expect anything. Truth is I just wanted a loud, exciting action film. I WANTED THAT. The Rock was cool to me. Bad Boys was eh, but whatever. But Armageddon extinguished any hope that I would ever think of Michael Bay as someone with a fully functioning brain again. You see, my dislike for Bay and Emmerich is not because of what they represent, but because I once actually thought they could be good.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    anytime they were on the run and the machines

    by just pillow talk

    were causing destruction = good.<p>As my wife, whom I recently showed the original to, "this was is better than the Tom Cruise one".<p>ding-ding-ding...correct!

  • July 23, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Blair Witch

    by Lost Jarv

    One of the worst things for me- and I'm not usually bothered by spoilers- is that I was watching a review programme on the BBC and they totally blew the end. <P>It just wasn't very good and was hideously overhyped.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    4. Tideland

    by Jonah Echo

    Yea, most people are going to say Brother's Grimm, but I argue that movie was merely alright, and not terrible. Tideland was inexplicable to me. It was like watching a family member I once regarded as brilliant show up at my house as a homeless meth addict. Some people claim the Gilliam genius was intact here, but I didn't see it. I truly felt sad at the end of this one.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 is underrated

    by Lost Jarv

    honestly. I really like it. But it was a crushing disappointment at the time. I think too many people were expecting it to be like Aliens and is totally different.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    what is good about Alien 3...

    by just pillow talk

    is the doctor dude is killed early on.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I feel I'll have to go into why the Ring remake was such

    by Lost Jarv

    a let down for me- I've touched on it above, but it's such a missed open goal. An English Language remake would have been so simple- remove the Goblin shit, and don't replace it with anything- especially not Horses. Make it a proper ghost story. It really could have been great, but as Jonah said, the original makes it look like chopped liver. I'm still astounded when I see people genuinly say they preferred the remake.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Armageddon and Tideland

    by Lost Jarv

    I knew Armageddon was going to be shit, and haven't seen Tideland.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Crouching Tiger and Godzilla

    by toadkillerdog

    I liked Tiger. It was operatic. It is not for everyone though. That was my very first wire-fu movie, and it took some getting used to. But it was a beautifully shot and epic movie. I enjoyed it. Godzilla. Well dingy damn. I am and have always been the biggest Godzilla fan that I know. The very first DVD I ever bought was a bootleg of Destroy all Monsters - the real DVD would not get released for another decade almost. I own every last Godzilla movie. Emmerich's movie was not Godzilla. Now way, no shape, no how. He was, a Tuna eating monster. But, I enjoyed the flick. I know, sacrilege, but thems the facts. I enjoyed it. I got a big bad monster tearing up NYC, and seeing the Garden blown to smithereens was a lot of fun. Yup, I enjoyed it.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Bay and Emmerich

    by Lost Jarv

    really should be great shlock directors. It says a lot about them that they aren't.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    5. Matrix Revolutions

    by Jonah Echo

    I was ok with Reloaded. I thought it would be the precursor to the big fireworks and philosophical rubber meets the road of the third. The worst thing is I anticipated many of the twists, but it is the way the whole thing was handled. You don't go three movies into epic territory and then declare a draw(yes the reconciliation of two enemies could be powerful, but it was more of a stalemate and was anything but powerful) and you don't throw out compelling arguments you formulated in the previous film by having Morgan Freeman show up in a wig, call himself the Oracle, and say"Sorry, The Architect was confused and senile when he told you all that."

  • July 23, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Although I place Alien3 in third..

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    On the list of Alien films, I liked the feeling of isolation as they were trapped and instead of giving up and hiding, they got a plan together and did something.<p> This is also why I like the final act in Jaws (and the rest of it of course).

  • July 23, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    6. Alien Ressurection

    by Jonah Echo

    I still sort of like this movie. It's fun, and I enjoyed it, but wow, not a great send off for such a great character. The way most of you feel bout Indy, I feel bout this one. Though it's one of the few big disappointments I own, due to the fact it was cheap when I bought it and once the disappointment faded, there was a fair bit to like in it.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Biggest disappointment of past year

    by toadkillerdog

    Cloverfield. Blew serious chunks. Boring, boring, and where the hell was the monster? Yes, POV, but put the POV camera on the damn monster, not whiny, boring, totally uninteresting, and never to heard from again, kids! I hated that flick.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    I'm still waiting (and hoping) that Emmerich

    by just pillow talk

    pieces it all together and we can a truly ridiculous movie from start to finish.<p>I'm sincerely hoping 10,000 BC was just a misstep into the bland.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    ah...you guys have Emmerich's Godzilla

    by just pillow talk

    I have Cloverfield. I didn't mind that movie, and all the fucks got killed (well, except that one chick, but one can hope the copter crashed too).

  • July 23, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    7. League of Extraordinary Gentleman

    by Jonah Echo

    By the time it actually showed up, it was clear it was crap, but I was seriously excited for this. I kept looking at the dopey Depp pirate movie and thinking how can that be good, bring on Connery as Quartermain! Wow, joke was on me.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Speaking of 2012

    by toadkillerdog

    I think I kow why he chose that date. Supposedly it is the end of the Mayan calendar - i think. And it has all types of significance attached to it.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    As for Godzilla...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    How in the hell do you not have him breathing fire? His best ability was running AWAY from the military!!!<p> That is not the Godzilla i grew up with. He would have shown up like the opening scenes, but also would have kicked total ass once the military started attacking.<p> I honestly think this would have been better as a Bay movie. Think about it, he was made to direct a Godzilla movie about total destruction.<p> I still turn the movie off everytime when Godzilla starts crossing the bridge at the end.<p>

  • July 23, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    jpt

    by Jonah Echo

    I liked Cloverfield fine. Nothing amazing, but it was fun. I wasn't expecting something monumental. I notice that many of my BIG disappointments are from a time when I was younger, and wasn't as tuned into movies as they were developed. Now, it's easier I think, to temper your expectations, but some things like Matrix and Star Wars will always hit you like a ton of bricks. <p>

  • July 23, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    from a comedy side...Knocked Up

    by just pillow talk

    That was really just a chick flick disguised as a supposedly funny comedy.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    yeah, that sums it up for me too Jonah

    by just pillow talk

    I wasn't expecting the second-coming though with it either.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Pillow and Jonah

    by toadkillerdog

    We must agree to disagree -like grown men. No crying, whingeing, calling down the wrath of evil Gods. No curses of a thousand diseased maggots and pregnant ticks infesting our armpits. No. We will face it like gentlemen, and just because you both like tripe like Cloverfiled, I will not insult you or suggest that watching that movie will lead to global armageddon.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Alien3 damn near ruins Aliens

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Killing off the girl and Hicks during the credits? That almost nukes the ending of Aliens where Ripley goes to great lengths to save the girl. If I hadn't been on a date, I would have walked out after 10 minutes.<p>Then, they go to the trouble of developing this relationship with Ripley and the doctor and just when both are clicking, WHAMMO!, alien tongue through the cranium. It was basically a retread of the first movie. Alien stalks unarmed crew in dark spaces. The lack of originality left me dumbfounded.<p>I shouldn't have expected much from Godzilla but I grew up on creature features and worshipped the Godzilla movies, so after ID4, I was expecting greatness from the lizard.<p>I should also add The Lost World to the list. That would actually be right behind Alien3 on my disappointment list.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    HOD, Lost World was next on my list..

    by Jonah Echo

    of disappointments. It just shouldnt have been as poor and as bland as it was.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    toad

    by just pillow talk

    Watching and enjoying Cloverfield releases twenty white doves around the world, helping turn economies around and helps alleviate the energy crisis. <p>By referring it to tripe, you hate the world. <p>Hope you're happy.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Southland Tales

    by Jonah Echo

    Count me as one of those who loved Donnie Darko, and kept waiting for Kelly to show up again..with something..and it was this. I only finished wathing it so I could have the credibility of panning it.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Pillow

    by toadkillerdog

    I own the concession on White Doves. Every time one is released, I make money. I am very happy!

  • July 23, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    What does one expect from this man..

    by Jonah Echo

    He kills little helpless amphibians.. <p> kidding, Toad. I only thought Cloverfield was ok, not terrific. If I had gotten caught up in the hype in the summer I would have been hugely disappointed, but I looked at that release date and said, nah, can't be anything too big and waited for a minor critter movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    How bout movies we expected to be trash..

    by Jonah Echo

    and we surprisingly liked?

  • July 23, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I remember walking out of the theater feeling bad I paid money to see that.<p> I was excitied after watching the trailers, but man was I let down.<p> Only things I really liked were the bullet to the eye and the airplane scene.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Speaking of amphibians - ever see Frogs?

    by toadkillerdog

    That was a stupid movie from my childhood. But it still makes me laugh.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Ill start with..

    by Jonah Echo

    Speed Racer. I took one look at the trailer and said "Mega Bomb" and I was right(at least financially). But my wife and I were at the beach, and were temporarily rained out for an afternoon and found ourselves at the theater, and I gave it a chance, and surprisingly we both really liked it. Again, zero expectations. And it worked for me.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Frogs..

    by Jonah Echo

    oh the idiocy, but it is fun, and I love the fact it isn't only frogs that join the killer jamboree.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    That's easy Jonah

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I didn't think much about the Mummy with Brandon Fraser and I liked it. Same with Part two until CGI Scorpion King showed up.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    A Good Year - I didn't think I would like it

    by just pillow talk

    I was wrong.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I had high hopes for Speed - and I loved it!

    by toadkillerdog

    But since this is about movies we had no hopes for but were surprised, that would be Rambo

  • July 23, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Stranger than Fiction

    by just pillow talk

    I had doubts with Will on that one, but again, I enjoyed that one immensely. Quite a pleasant surprise.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Another surprise...was Toy Story

    by Jonah Echo

    Now, when this came out everyone was enamored over the technology and the style, but all the previews failed to impress me. I paid zero attention to it until it released on video on Halloween, and I sat down with my sister and watched it, and expecting kiddie tripe walked away amazed. Im sure this was everyone's experience, but that was the only time when none of us had real expectations for Pixar. Probably the only time that I was surprised by the quality they delivered. But before I saw it, you couldn't have convinced me it was going to be good.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Also Lake Placid

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Went in with low expectations and came away very entertained. Worth it just for Betty White's foul mouth.<p> Also the exchanges with Gleason and Platt were gems.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I was unsure about Perfume: Story of a Murderer

    by just pillow talk

    and I ended up really liking that take on fairy tale story telling.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Everyone should see Frogs

    by toadkillerdog

    And I think they substituted Toads in the movie because the Frogs were too embarrassed to be a part of that schlock.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Assault on Precinct 13 (remake)

    by just pillow talk

    Didn't think I'd enjoy it, but the way they offed characters...nice.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    As far as Pixar goes...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I thought the same thing about A Bug's Life.<p> Ho-hum kiddie story with cool graphics and then went with girlfriend and her neighbor's kids to see it.<p> Wow, I bought it as soon as it came out on video.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Gattaca

    by Jonah Echo

    I had never ever heard of it, didn't know a thing about it, and it was playing second run. As I have said before, my dad and I had just seen Dark City and were feeling optimistic about scifi. And the movie was awesome. It didnt instantly blow me away, but occupied my thoughts all the way home and beyond. To this day, it's still a favorite.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    oh, how could I forget: Rocky Balboa

    by just pillow talk

    I was certainly expecting a stinker and it turned out to be the second best in the series for me.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Jonah, I don't know if I wanna go there

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You guys will laugh me off for sure.<p>Honestly? I got loaded, saw Good Luck Chuck and laughed the whole way through.<p>Because it won the Oscar I was pre-disposed to hate Shakespeare In Love but thought it was fantastic.<p>The Island surprised the hell out of me and I still think it's Bay's best movie.<p>After The Lost World I had zero expectations for Jurassic Park 3 and enjoyed the hell out of it.<p>When I heard Mel Gibson was making another foreign language film I rolled my eyes and I fear expressing just how much I love Apocalypto because I don't want to get into a flame war.<p>I need more coffee before I can think of more.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Abominable

    by Jonah Echo

    on SCI-FI. It wasnt a masterpiece, just an enjoyable flick, but the level of junk on sci-fi is such that even a decent film is great. My wife had injured her knee, and so we were sequestered in the house on a summer night and we came across Abominable, and for some reason, the movie became legitmately creepy to us.It was a ton of fun, and it helped take our minds off of the injury and hospital trips and what not. Only time I actually liked a Sci-Fi premiere.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Pillow

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Well done! I thought I was the only guy who liked A Good Year. Precinct 13 had some cool moments and Rocky Balboa was great and after Rocky 5, I was expecting the worst.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    JP3 and The Island are accurate. I felt the same way. Didn't fully love them, but had a great time with them because I expected nothing and feared crap. <p> The one that will get me yelled at. A Walk to Remember. I mocked it for months, and then ended up covering for a teacher whose class was watching it, and found myself renting the thing and making my wife watch it. Not great, but I liked it. Same for Legally Blonde.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Series7

    Did you read the book of Purfume? Once I found out more back history on the film and how directors like Kubrick called it unfilmable, and the amazing job Twkler (spelling) did. I think it falls into the better then the book category, because there is this whole middle section of the book that was really boring. The book I thought would be boring, but its a lot of fun and an really easy read surprisingly.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    A friend dragged me to Deep Blue Sea

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I love creature features but had a really bad feeling about it. Ended up squealing with glee the entire time.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Rocky Balboa is definitely one..

    by Jonah Echo

    and honestly, recently, it was Prince Caspian. I only marginally liked the first and had little interest in going out to see another "so-so" movie. But it really delivered on the premise of the book while improving it and definitely a cut above the first film.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    I just had this happen to me

    by Series7

    I poo pooed all over Into the Wild, then I finally saw it and was amazingly surprised at how good it was. Mainly the second hour when Hal Holbroke comes in, he should've won the Oscar for that role. I thought it was going to be another boring Penn movie about an idiot and i was way wrong.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon

    by Jonah Echo

    My wife and actually were sent this by netflix by mistake. And I looked at it, seemed to recall hearing of it here, checked IMDB, and watched it. And Loved it. We both did. A great take on slasher films. Really, a cool little movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Danny.

    by Jonah Echo

    yea, kind of. It's movies you expected were crap or not worth the time, but liked or loved.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I saw Deepest Bluest

    by Series7

    My Hand is like a sharkes fin six times in theaters. Granted I was living above it on a military base for a whole summer and movies where free. I was awesome like everytime when Samuel got eaten I would stand in the back and watch the entire audience fly back in their seats.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I love Apocalypto

    by just pillow talk

    Deep Blue Sea is entertaining, as is JP3. <p>I haven't seen Prince Caspian yet.<p>Series7, no I've never read the book. I'll tell you though, the movie was good. Hell, I even liked Dustin in it! And any movie that has a nice orgy scene in it immediately gets a thumbs up from me.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Junebug

    by Jonah Echo

    Another movie I didn't even have a motivation to watch, even as it was starting to play, but won me over in the end. In a big way.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Audience cheered when he got eaten

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Sam was yelling about sticking together and shark jumped out and got him. Crowd started clapping.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    let's see...Eight Below I enjoyed

    by just pillow talk

    Granted, the dogs are better actors than Paul, but still, as a dog-owner I really liked that film. The ending gets me, what can I say.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Deep Blue Sea..

    by Jonah Echo

    My girlfriend of the time and I saw it because Blair Witch was sold out, and we had a great time with it. Of course, Im prob one of the few who wasnt disappointed with Blair Witch when I saw it. <p> Cool thing about DBS is that it twisted convention just enough to be surprising as a jump out and get ya movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Uncomfortable Reading

    by medicinaluser

    Almost as bad as his interview with MR Silver when he tried to go all out and impress him with his random bits of film history and how he never got to work for him even though he had tried :( whilst discussing SpeedRacer...... SpeedRacer FFS!!!

  • July 23, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    I was going to have Deep Blue Sea

    by Lost Jarv

    But I'll take The Bone Collector, The Mummy, and Boogie Nights.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon

    by Series7

    Awesome movie. Me and my gal where in Austin during SXSW and where trying to figure out how to see anything because we didn't plan on being there for SXSW it just happened, and it was cultish on how little info they give you about seeing stuff. Though we signed up on some list and they sent us like nexts years ticket prices about 3 months after SXSW was over, you have to plan like over a year in advance if you want to see things there. Anyways, we saw this creepy guy in a mask walking around, I thought it was for the upcoming Hills Have Eyes sequel and then I found out it was for Behind the Mask. I thought that movie was awesome.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Beerfest...makes me laugh, regardless of how dumb

    by just pillow talk

    When he ends up with the fat chick...that part gets me rolling.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Junebug - Thumbs down

    by Series7

    But I was expecting to like it?

  • July 23, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Happiness of the Katakuris..

    by Jonah Echo

    Whether I'm right or wrong, after seeing Miike's Audition at an anime convention, I had no interest in his other output. Seemed like a shock artist. So when I saw Happiness come on the IFC at like midnight on a friday, I was sitting there planning to turn the channel, but was too tired. And then the movie grabbed me and had me laughing in incredulity for the rest of the thing.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Well also i don't like

    by Series7

    Amy Adams.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by Lost Jarv

    now, don't get me wrong about this, but I knew next to nothing about Iron Man the character, never rated Fav's as a director, and honestly didn't give a shit about seeing it. I came out stunned at how good it was, but I still maintain that if you take RDJ out of it then it wouldn't have been a fraction as good.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Eckhart vs. Jane

    by Series7

    After seeing Batman With A Vengeance, and that Jane hasn't done anything I've liked since Deep Blue. I've decided that Aaron and Thomas need to just merge into one great actor instead of two so-so actors.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Happiness is good

    by Lost Jarv

    But avoid Visitor Q like the fucking plague. I can't stress this enough. If you want Miike the shock merchant then Visitor Q is really him on his "A" game

  • July 23, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    The Bourne Identity

    by Jonah Echo

    I don't know if anyone remembers, but most werent expecting much from this when it was released. There was a feel that Damon was shooting his career in the foot. Myself and a bunch of friends went to see Woo's Windtalkers, which I was personally more interested in, and the level of disgust we felt for that one prompted us to go try and wash the taste out with Bourne. And thankfully, our decision was a good one.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Ironman

    by Series7

    Without RDJ you just got a suit running around, I'm pretty sure that it was like a Cast Away movie in that there weren't any other actors in that movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Precinct 13 remake

    by Lost Jarv

    I know that Carpenter's is a reimagining, but the remake is not fit to lick the boots of Carpenters. I wish fuckers would stop pillaging his back catalogue

  • July 23, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    RDJ did indeed carry the movie

    by just pillow talk

    I think minus him it would have been a decent entry into the superhero genre, but with RDJ, he elevated it to upper echelon of the genre. Changed it from a B- movie to a B+/A- movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I'm not a Miike fan...

    by Jonah Echo

    but I did like Bird People of China, Zebraman and to some lesser extent The Great Yokai War.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Bourne identity

    by Lost Jarv

    is one that nearly slipped away. <P>I'd add Mars Attacks and There's something about mary. I saw MA stoned to the gills and nearly cried laughing, and was pissed when I saw Mary, but loved both of them.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Jason Bourne - nice pick Jonah

    by just pillow talk

    You're right, no one expected Damon to pull it off.<p>Wrong.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    The Game

    by Jonah Echo

    I remember seeing the Mike Douglas movie and pretty much going because I was at the theater and had mistakenly thought something else was showing when it wasn't. So I went with this, vaguely knowing director of Seven did it. And the level of entertainment and atmosphere completely blindsided me.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    I also think I'm the only person in the world

    by Lost Jarv

    that doesn't like supremacy. I came out of that with a fucking migraine. In fact, it was so bad I still haven't seen Ultimatum. <P>And they killed Famke. Which just pissed me off. Is Bourne meant to be shagging Julia "shovel face" stiles?

  • July 23, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    to some degree...Starship Troopers

    by just pillow talk

    I wasn't expecting it to be so fun. <p>Plus I fell in love with Dina Meyer. She could call me Johnny Rico.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Baby Geniuses..

    by Jonah Echo

    Ok. Im kidding..only thing I recall about this was the fact I never saw it and Roger Ebert said in his review that it made him reach for his subway bag so he could regurgitate his veggie burger in it.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Wild Things

    by Lost Jarv

    I saw this expecting nothing. And fucking loved it- seedy noirish shit, 3 way with Neve Campbell and Denise Richards, and a truly Barnstorming turn from Bill Murray as the lawyer. Top film.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Hot Rod and Heartbreak Kid

    by Series7

    I somehow ended up with both of those coming on the same day in Netflicks. I wanted something stupid after watching a bunch of subtitles. I really thought i was going to hate both of these, and I laughed my ass off all the way through both. I decided to give Hot Rod a chance after the Iran skit on SNL, and I don't know why I rented Heartbreak Kid. I wanted to see it, but it has Carlos Mencia who've I've always thought could be funny when he's calm, but his show is an abortion of comedy and I don't want to support him. He was really fucking funny in his small CALM role. Hot Rod I thought was almost a sequel to Zoolander in its comedy, both of those were funnier then crap like Knocked Up and Juno. While Superbad I think also fits into the expecting crap and really liked it.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by ironic_name

    MAY OLEG SMILE UPON YOU. <P> http://i36.tinypic.com/mvrmag.gif

  • July 23, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Jarv...they allude to the shagging of Stiles

    by just pillow talk

    in the last one...prior to his losing his memory.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Requiem for a dream

    by Lost Jarv

    to some extent I did know about it, but I was totally unprepared for what we got. <P>That shot at the end with the 2 old women crying on the bench gets me every time.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Wild Things...yup...the three-way alone

    by just pillow talk

    makes it eminently watchable.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    I hate all the Bourne movies

    by Series7

    I think 2 was OK, and the best. But one and three, didn't like.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Pillows

    by Lost Jarv

    that's probably what caused the memory loss. It was him drinking a bottle of tequila and scouring himself with a wire brush to try to get all traces of her off him.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Babe; Pig in the City

    by Jonah Echo

    Both Babes cout actually. I saw the trailer for the first and mocked it horribly. It got nominated. Istill resisted. When I saw it, I relented and said "good kid's film,nice message." The End. <p> I saw the trailer for the sequel and thought, ick.cash grab. Missed the short short first run, and then went to see it because Siskel put it on his best of list as number one. I didnt go thinking it would be, but Siskel was still alive at that point, but it was known he was sick, and was wondering if he was judgement was off. I saw it with my girlfriend, who was the other major impetus in seeing it, and I came out of that movie the biggest fan. Seriously, it's one of my all time favorites now.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    It's just a great film

    by Lost Jarv

    the sequels? Not so much.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Requiem for a dream

    by Series7

    Better then the book, without the movie I probably wouldn't have even understood the book.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I like all the Bourne movies...

    by just pillow talk

    but like Casino Royale better if one must compare them.<p>Since I'm a dirty pillow, I'd hit shovel face.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Hostel

    by Lost Jarv

    nah- only joking. Complete crap. ANd not fun, either.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Cube

    by Lost Jarv

    Inexplicably this fell right off the radar, but I saw it because I was meant to see something else and my date refused. <P>Top call by her.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Great call on Wild Things

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Loved that movie even if it didn't have the nudity, so it was a bonus to Denise Richards in all her glory.<p> I saw it twice in the theaters.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    I've stayed away from all that Hostel and Saw shit

    by just pillow talk

    No thanks.

  • July 23, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Also liked The Edge

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    With Hopkins and Barney the bear. Surprised by that one.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    The Edge

    by just pillow talk

    At least they let the bear maul one person.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Love Actually was another surprise

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Got drug to that one with girlfriend and was blown away. So many good moments in there.<p> My favorite couple was the maid and Colin Firth.<p> I watch it everytime I see it on TNT or USA.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Bringing Down the House

    by Series7

    I sat there stunned about how much money that movie was making and how LAME it looked. Cheesy timid only boring adult humor. Saw it and thought is was yes very timid but it was silly and fun. I think it was mainly because of the Queen, she is just so damn likeable.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    The Arrival

    by Jonah Echo

    I was like Charlie Sheen and space aliens? No thanks. And then the bendy legs won me over. <p> Same for The Frighteners, which I actually was asked my parents to take my siblings to because somehow we all thought it was a PG Disney-esque movie about Mikey Fox and some cute ghosts. It wasnt until I got to the theater and saw it was R. Luckily it was a second run theater and no one cared what you went to see. That one was a major about-face from expectations. The Grim Reaper. Rotting John Astin. Jake Busey as the serial killer.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    nice Jonah...

    by just pillow talk

    I loved The Arrival when it came out. The whole thing worked for me..him shouting at the kid at the end..the kid doing the bendy leg thing and running away.<p>I haven't seen the Frightners is a looong time, but I remember liking that one too.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Stephen King's The Night Flier

    by Jonah Echo

    I had just presupposed this one to be garbage. But when I rented it for Halloween, I was surprised by the quality.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I have seen Hypercube

    by Lost Jarv

    It's just insane. When the dude starts eating everyone else, I was going "what the fuck". And the fact that he's hungry every 10 seconds. <P>I liked the bleak ending. Apparently there is a cube 0 now. Which breaks Jarv's second rule of good cinema: NEver do a prequel.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Saw 1 and 2 are good

    by Series7

    there is only like 15 minutes of new film in saw 3. And 4 was just all over the place and didn't make sense, and the kills where just boring and not that bad.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Fucking hate Love Actually

    by Lost Jarv

    this is a British thing. Richard Curtis can take his smug, middle class Notting Hill attitude and fuck off, frankly.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Dan in the Real Life surprised me

    by just pillow talk

    And I've found that all the older romantic comedies are pretty damn good: The Shop Around the Corner, Roman Holiday, It Happened One Night...

  • July 23, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Frighteners and Arrival

    by Series7

    Fuck yeah! More so for the Frighteners, that movie is so fucking good. I'm pretty sure Jackson is my favorite director, and non of the LOTR are in my top five of his movies. He's got the only flawless track record in my book.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    and he can take that fat cockney dog

    by Lost Jarv

    McCutcheon with him, <P>He was great with Ben Elton, but now he's just a hack. <P>Seriously, this is the man that writes the most insipid middle-class romcom shite that these islands produces. And people fucking flock to it.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    Hey I told you they are remaking Worst Week of my life, i was wrong its a show called Kim and Kathy or some shit? Did you see the show the Street?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Roman Holiday is wonderful

    by Lost Jarv

    fact.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    That's Australian

    by Lost Jarv

    I've got a meeting now. Probably to get berated for that admin fuckup. If she wasn't hot... <P>See you soon.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Series7

    Killing off Jigsaw way too early. He's kind of in Saw 4, i really don't remember that movie, i just know it was terrible and non of the deaths made me even squim in the least. But man that fuck me moment at the end of Saw 1 was classic.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Fallen...

    by Jonah Echo

    Did I already type this? Didn't see it above though. Fallen with Denzel was something I suspected was crap, I thought it was just a serial killer movie. But when we went our choices were Phantoms, Hard Rain, Firestorm or Titanic again. <p> So when it started and revealed itself to be a noir about an invisible demon, I was very happy.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I liked Fallen too...the ending is what makes it

    by just pillow talk

    complete, I think.<p>Oh, and because Danny mentioned it above, my wife was watching Bridget Jones again a few nights ago. Those movies blow. Seriously.<p>I'm guilty for liking Notting Hill though.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    British weather

    by Series7

    Its so funny, like when it rains in England, the Brits don't change a beat. They are still as Happy as always, it was so weird to get used to at first. Granted my neighbor was like a less funny version of John Cleese.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Lilo and Stitch

    by toadkillerdog

    I thought that would suck. It turns out to be one of my all time favorites, in any genre.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Where to begin

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    During the sequence in Mars Attacks when the Martians are bowling Easter Island, blowing up the Taj Mahal and trying to squash boy scouts with the Washington Monument, I'm not sure I ever laughed that hard in the theater.<p>The Bourne movies to me were OK, but not the classics some make them out to be.<p>Pluto Nash could've been worse. Rosario Dawson makes most things better.<p>Heartbreak Kid was entertaining. More than it deserved to be.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    I can honestly say LOTR

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I hadn't read Tolkien since I was a kid and didn't really know how it would translate to try and put that much story on the screen.<p> I was completely blown away with how great it was.<p> I knew it was going to be at the very least an above average film, but wow.<p> Bonus points for most of the crowd not knowing it was one of three movies. At the end they were like "WTF?"

  • July 23, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    speaking of Denzel...

    by just pillow talk

    I know I liked Richochet when it came out. Lithgow was on a roll with this and then Cliffhanger.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I liked

    by Series7

    Bridget Jones.... I don't know why. <P> Anyone see Goal! I thought it was going to suck ass and I really liked it...though on the second viewing I hated it?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    just call it a review

    by Dijjot

    because i doubt teh weinstein will do anything but scoff at the notion of an open letter. I think this movie will do well on dvd. dont think itll recoup though

  • July 23, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Breach

    by just pillow talk

    I was hoping I would like it, and was surprised that I liked Ryan Phillipe in it. Cooper was of course solid yet again.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    ok...time to do some "work"

    by just pillow talk

  • July 23, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Cliffhanger rocked

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    When that bad guys says "fetch (pauses...) FETCH!!!"<p> Also the opening moments with the girl on the safety line. High tension.<p> So many funny quotes in that movie:<p> "It's amazing this day and age what a man will go through for his bitch."<p> "Gravity is a bitch aint it?"<p> "It costs a fortune to heat this place (tosses more money on the fire)"

  • July 23, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Fred felt same about Lilo and Stitch

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred loved that movie. But Fred not like part 2.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    What happened to Jarv?

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Did he drop his pencil one too many times?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Fred liked Pluto Nash too

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    But Fred only saw it on cable - did not pay for it.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Richochet and Cliffhanger

    by Series7

    Are fucking amazingly awesome movies. The prison sword fight scene with Jesse the Body Venture (not anymore the dudes just a mass now) was amazing. Sometime last year I wanted to make and sell shirts that said John Lithgow is a bad Ass, with his crazy face on the front and a still from the prison sword fight scene on the back, and maybe start of line of blank actor is a bad ass. But I have no idea how to get the rights to use screen shots.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    The Way of THe Gun

    by Lost Jarv

    no don't laugh. I liked it.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Eight below

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred's dog freaks out on the killer sea-lion scene. He tries to attack the TV! Fred has to flip the channel every time that movie is on!

  • July 23, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Bridget Jones

    by Lost Jarv

    the first one is an OK Rom-com. Nothing more. The second is a disgrace to celluloid. <P>However, both of them are terrible Bridget Jones movies that do a real disservice to the quite nasty satire of the book. We're meant to think Bridget is a thick, dim, obsessed sloaney cow- she isn't meant to be lovable. <P>The movies totally miss this point.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The Way of The Gun

    by Series7

    That movie was another awesome movie. I always show people that first scene where Sarah Silverman gets her face pounded. Though no one ever wants to sit through the rest, it was such a big opener that it was hard to follow up on and the movie alawys seemed boring, but its pretty good.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Fucking cocksuckers

    by Lost Jarv

    I've got a formal warning for it. Bollocks.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Love Actually and Notting Hill

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred liked them both. Best Buy or Walmart, Fred not remember which, has Hugh movies in bundle dirt cheap.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Useless piece of trivia

    by Lost Jarv

    McQuarrie outed Singer in The Way of The Gun- it comes up on the radio at some point. Something like "Famous hollywood director, Bryan Singer discovered to be homosexual"

  • July 23, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    The problem with Notting hill

    by Lost Jarv

    aside from the truly, truly fucking awful writing in it, is that the middle/ upper class tossers that he is writing are probably actually his mates. <P>The bastard hasn't a clue what England is like. And Julia Roberts was hopelessly miscast in it.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by Lost Jarv

    so what went wrong with Superman Returns?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Fred is a sucker for romantic comedies

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred like Notting Hill.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Notting Hill

    by Lost Jarv

    "I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" Is not good writing. On any level. <P>Julia Roberts was miscast because she doesn't have the ability to make you think for a second that she would look at this fucking loser. <P>Curtis is only capable of writing about a pathetic group of people that do not represent the country. I'm privately educated and I don't know a single person that is remotely similar to the chinless wankers he creates. He's a phony, psuedo cunt.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Funnily enough, I did live in notting hill for a while

    by Lost Jarv

    and It is nothing like what curtis puts on screen. <P>England hasn't been like his vision in about 50 years. He's a cunt.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    They patched it up-

    by Lost Jarv

    But it always struck me that McQuarrie was the talent.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    One thing for Notting Hill:

    by Lost Jarv

    Rhys Ifans is excellent. <P>If you can, track down Twin Town- which is fucking good fun.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    formal warning for what Jarv?

    by Jonah Echo

  • July 23, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    About a Boy

    by Series7

    Liked it, thought it would suck. Though I didn't think it was good enough to warrent letting that guy direct a huge budget movie. <P> Also Notting Hill guy, did he direct Enduring Love? That movie had a good trailer bad movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Office Space

    by Jonah Echo

    When this came out onscreen comedy wasn't having it terribly well. And I saw the trailers and snickered, but figured it was crap. Afterall, comedy was in a bit of slump back then. Basketball? Nutty Professor? <p> I didnt even see it at the theater. Caught it on dvd. and LAUGHED LAUGHED LAUGHED.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Admin fuckup

    by Lost Jarv

    No biggie. And not for posting on here- which is amusing. Mind you I'm good enough to cover my tracks. <P>I'm going to lay waste to the disciplinary hearing with my trusty #2.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Twin Town

    by Series7

    Solid movie, Ifans as Eye Ball Paul in Kevin in Perry Go large, even better.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    About a Boy was a pleasant surprise

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm off to the pub. See you tomorrow.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Jonah Echo

    by Series7

    You shall never speak ill will of Basketball again! I've got that movie memorized. How can you hate that movie?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Ravenous

    by Jonah Echo

    Used to hear the radio spots for this over and over again. With Davies screaming "He was LICKING me!!" I thought it sounded so stupid, and when the posters and soundtrack and all made it look like some shameful psuedo-gore bore, I didnt bother. Especially when it had about two weeks in theaters. When I caught up with it on dvd, I was surprised how much fun it turned out to be.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Surf's Up

    by Jonah Echo

    Yes, I mean that. <p> I saw the trailers and told my wife it lookd completely unwatchable. <p> Then somehow, it was the very movie my father-in-law wanted to see last Father's Day, so we went. And, to my surprise, I really really liked it. I have it on dvd infact.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Series7

    for those of you that remember my company burnt down. They've converted a warehouse into a full office. Only problem is now my screen now faces everyone and my boss sits two feet from me. While its amazing we haven't missed a beat, it sucks having no privacy.

  • July 23, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Thoughts

    by Series7

    I thought Ravenous was boring and just dumb. <P> As for Surfs up haven't seen it, want too but I keep putting it off because I think it looks dumb. But I rented Over the Hedge and Bee Moive and was amazed at how good they were. Especially the last 15 minutes of Hedge were mindblowingly crazy. I've been turned off by Dreamworks films for forever (can they not find Bluth anywhere?) Shrek was boring and The Fish one and Zoo one are reasons enough to give up watching cartoons. So I skiped Bee Movie and Over The Hedge, I was way wrong. Hedge is much better, but Bee movie was a lot funnier then the trailer lends it to be, and it makes for a good double feature to Happy Feet, because Jerry the Bee was wrong in the end.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Series7 - I didn't know that

    by just pillow talk

    Or if I did, I apologize for forgetting. Damn. That's pretty good that your company has kept chugging along.<p>The Way of the Gun was forgettable for me, so I don't feel one way or another for it.<p>The Usual Suspects is a great movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I loved Usual Suspects

    by toadkillerdog

    Just a great film. I will be re-watching that this weekend -if the rains keep me from riding.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    best part of way of the gun: punching sarah silverman

    by ironic_name

  • July 23, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    You guys

    by Series7

    Don't remember Ryan punching a girl in the face in the first five minutes of Way of the gun? <P> Just watched the directors cut to Payback the other day in like the first 15 minutes Mel punches his wife in the head and that was awesome too, the rest of the movie was not as good as the original cut. Seeing that Mel pretty much made the original cut I trust his judgement over that other guy who's movies save for Payback sucked (direction wise, he's written some good movies).

  • July 23, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    "oswald was a fag"

    by just pillow talk

    Casting was perfect for that movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Lock, stock and Two smoking Barrels

    by toadkillerdog

    I had low expectations for that, even though I am an anglophile. I truly loved it. Vinnie and James Brown! You can not go wrong!

  • July 23, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I liked Lynch's Dune as well

    by toadkillerdog

    Even though it was not entirely faithful *cough, cough* to the book. But Francesa Annis. Damn, her and Ornella Muti and Monica Belluci they can do no wrong

  • July 23, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    this looks great !!!!!!

    by pumaman

    I friggin loved the trailers. I love movies like this. I hope it does well !!!!!

  • July 23, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Low expectations for Scare Tactics

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    on the Sci-Fi channel, but now I watch it and laugh my ass off. The half-boy-half-rat skit had me rolling.<p> Also the sasquatch ramming the side of the RV was classic.<p> Those people go nuts.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Chitty

    by Jonah Echo

    the flamyboyant guy walking back into the lab, clearly disturbed, but also worried about the rat hybrid's safety.."Are you alright, little, little man?"

  • July 23, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Where are the X-Files reviews

    by Jonah Echo

    that arent written by tasteless pretenders? Seriously, two days until release, and Latauro's "X-Files is camp" review is what we have been given. It's fine we are hearing rumors about movies years off that might not even be made, but what about some reviews for something with some level of fan investment that is out at the end of the week? <p> And Im not directing this at AICN solely. There is scarcely anything bout this flick? Is this a new marketing technique? Anti-market saturation?

  • July 23, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    when that girl went back there and saw the guy with his leg cut off, she offered him a napkin. ONE NAPKIN!!! I cried I laughed so hard.

  • July 23, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah Jonah

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    That guy gave one of the biggest screams when he saw that rat-boy. My cats ran from the room when turned loose that high-pitched scream.<p> I like how he said he was an animal lover and then he saw rat-boy and it was all "Get A Gun!"<p> Classic.

  • July 23, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    One more Scare Tactic

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    When the guy is standing by the wood chipper and the big boss guy comes in and says the victim has seen too much.<p> I swear that guy's bottom lip is quivering.<p> That show kills me.<p> They also get their money's worth from that little actor.

  • July 23, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Yes, the trian car one was funny

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Also the hitchhiker with the head in a duffel bag. That dude in the back seat started going to town on that dude's noggin when he attacked his buddy driving! The look on his face was so damn funny.

  • July 23, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Chitty

    by toadkillerdog

    I am just going to have to come out and admit this. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, is still a favorite movie of mine. I loved it as a kid, and I still do.!

  • July 23, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    scare tactics..

    by Jonah Echo

    how bout the one they set up where, if I recall some skater kids are hanging out, and one's friend gets run over by a car(or they had a car and run someone over)but whatever, guy's friend goes down, or pedestrian goes down, and the "victim" just looks at it all and runs far far far way. Just left his friend in a heartbeat. It was a glorious display of cowardice, especially since he wasnt being chased. Just fled.

  • July 23, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    how bout one..

    by Jonah Echo

    where guy hires another to clean out the pool late at night, and all kinds of stuff is swimming in there. Looks like body parts and some reptilian thing. <p> Or the one where Stephen Baldwin shows up as he mob boss, and he expects the "victim" to realize the whole tihng is a hoax because he is Stephen Baldwin and she will recognize, and she doesn't even when he reveals himself as SB she still has this "Who?" look on her face.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I've always wondered about Scare

    by Series7

    Tactics, is how they get these people these jobs? Like wouldn't they have to go through a fake hiring process and fill out papers and shit? Especially for the lab assisstant job and secratary jobs? I can understand the odd jobs and blue collar work. But you have to be pretty stupid to just start working somewhere and not read any papers about pay and legal rights and all. I wish Tracey Morgan would partake in some of the jokes. Did any of you see his skit making of Punk'D on Jimmy Kimmel called you got Fucked Up? It was funny as shit.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was cool

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    That was one of my favorite movie cars when I was young. I also had a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang comic book.<p> Good times.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Danny..

    by Jonah Echo

    It was a few years old, yes. Back when Stephen used to be the host of the show. This woman was basically like a nurse for this badly injured guy, and some low level thugs came or something, and wanted to "finish the job" and they were waitig for "Mr. Big" and of course Baldwin turns out to be Mr. Big. <p> Around the same time, there was the ep where someone is taking a big group of teens to a party, and decide to take an abandoned road since the main one is closed down, and they are attacked by vampires, on motorcylces I think, who are driving right next to the van, an dpulling open the door. They also bite big bloody chunks in the driver's neck and then surround the teens. I'm pretty sure they all needed to change their underwear, and most looked like they were prepared for the end.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Chitty

    by Series7

    Isn't there a broadway musical right now about Chitty Chitty?

  • July 23, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    The best parody was...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Christopher Walken on Saturday Night Live.<p> When he was on the show that played pranks on people and he really killed the guy in the parking garage.<p> The sound effects guy kept repeating those sounds as the host was freaking out.<p> I nearly shit my pants laughing.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    I'm surprised

    by Series7

    That sometimes on scare tactics people just don't go apeshit and beat the crap out of the actors?

  • July 23, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I missed a Way Of The Gun Discussion! Shit

    by Xiphos_2

    MOTHERFUCKER! Goddamn that's a fun as all hell movie and one of the few where the actors used weapons and tactics like they knew what the hell they were doing. It had a slow speed chase and Sarah Silverman getting her shit fucked up by MR. Reese Witherspoon, who was credible as a tough guy, really who knew?<p> Plus it had Sonny Corlione as the bag man and for once he gave a performance that wasn't phoned in. Great one liners, good performances all the way around, friggin fun movie.<p>Way Of the Gun Is a worthy addition to the list of genre films about tough guys.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I think it was back in 2005

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    But it seems like it is in the UK now and maybe going on world tour?<p> I love that the woman in story is named Truly Scruptious.<p> I keep waiting for a dancer or porn star to use that name.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for a Scare Tactics homocide

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I can just see some victim not getting screened for a weapon and that little person getting killed.<p> Or someone honestly beaing scared to death and having a heart attack. Maybe they could put that on the DVD extras.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    so, I'm way behind on this..

    by Jonah Echo

    but is it true that the whole "assualt" thing with Bale turned out to be filed as "verbal assualt?" I doubted the thing from beginning, but basically, the dude's own mother charged him with verbal assault?? Wha h'ppened???

  • July 23, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    in the ep involving the vampires..

    by Jonah Echo

    when one vampire had climbed onto the side of the van, and was trying to get in, one of the kids kicked her and tried to close the door on her hands. That would have sucked.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    verbal assault

    by Series7

    Is a crime in England.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    right, but kind of unfortunate..

    by Jonah Echo

    that there was a bit of time, at least here in the U.S., where it was just detailed as "assault" so everyone gets images of Bale holding his mother upside down over the fire escape and growling " WHERE ARE THE COOKIES?? I KNOW YOU MADE THEM!!! IF I DROP YOU FROM THIS ANGLE, IT WON'T HURT YOUR BAKING HAND!"

  • July 23, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Really?

    by Jonah Echo

    I never noted him as being particularly a dick, or aggressive, but it's not like we are pals, or I really pay much attention to his personal life. <p> Im just glad I don't have to watch Batman and feel guilty because he really beats up elderly people on the side.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Bales been acting

    by Series7

    Since he was a kid, and he hasn't fucked up royal yet. Why would he now? He's probably just arrogent with all the success as of late.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I don't know Christian Bale personally

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    But he really played his part very well in American Psycho. Wouldn't it be funny if he was that much of a prick in real life? Without the homocidal tendecies of course.<p> Wait a sec, it would be funny if had those tendencies.<p> I laughed so hard when he put that nail gun to Chloe's head and when he was pointing to himself while banging that girl.<p> Also when the ATM wanted him to feed it the kitten. God I love that movie for some reason.

  • July 23, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Bale's hotel room...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Bale putting on raincoat:" You know mom when Huey Lewis hit his stride I think he finally broke out of the clutches of expectations and finally just started to have fun...(Starts swinging chrome axe around the room)"

  • July 23, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    All into bodily perfection

    by ironic_name

    machinist

  • July 23, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    steven baldwin's best work was that movie he did with LDP

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/5v3n84

  • July 23, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    movie I thought would be shit but ended up loving..

    by ironic_name

    the mechanik is well directed.. dolph can handle a scene well enough. <P> and mulholland falls.. or drive.. the one with jenny connelly's boobs.

  • July 23, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    About Bale...

    by spud mcspud

    I'm English and I can't fucking believe we have a law that states you can't scream obscenities at someone! What the fuck kind of freedom is THAT?!?

  • July 23, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Jonah Echo - re happines of katakuris

    by ironic_name

    look for "the quiet family" a 98 k-film miike gets all the credit for remaking <P> much better, slow-burn humour.

  • July 23, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I know why there won't be a Robin

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I'm sure Nolan brought it up and Bale quickly stopped him mid-sentence and reminded him that he only had one sidekick and it was the one he slams into Batman groupies.<p> I kid though, because for all I know he is a nice guy behind closed doors.<p> I'm sure it is a pain to be rich and famous in the fact that it would be hard to find true friends and not remoras sucking to your fame.

  • July 23, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    About Richard Curtis...

    by spud mcspud

    I too hate that smug twat and all his foppish, upper-middle-class-gosh-isn't-life-simply-ripping bollocks. I mean, I don't subscribe to a Mike Leigh, Secrets-And-Lies view of England either - and I think Shane Meadows gets the very roughest end of working class English life EXACTLY right - but, to me, living in a working class area but educated at a private school (Assisted Places pupil - I pass a local government exam, they pay my fees to private school), no-one has ever got it right. The Curtis films feel too twee and sterilised, too nicey nicey, and I think stuff like Leigh's "Naked" and Meadows' "This is England" go too far in the miserabilist direction. The most accurate stuff from my perspective are the shitty comedies found on BBC3 and the Paramount Comedy channels over here: TWO PINTS OF LAGER AND A PACKET OF CRISPS, TIME GENTLEMEN PLEASE, TITTYBANGBANG. Working class humour at its bawdy, warm-hearted best.<P> Oh, and LVOE ACTUALLY - exactly WHY is it great? What the fuck actually happens in it? Hugh Grant's PM bumbling like Hugh Grant always fucking does, chasing the foul-mouthed-for-comedy-effect (like ALL the fucking dialogue in VICAR OF DIBLEY) McCutcheon. Wow. Alan Rickman not-quite-cheating with his ugly secretary. How.. umm... average. Kris Marshall in five separate scenes essentially saying "I'm gonna get laid! By sexy American chicks!". nope, they'll call your accent "cute" and laugh at your sub-standard, English teeth. Bah. Only Bill Nighy gets a free pass, and even he's stilted, boring and not that interesting. In fact, fuck all happens in LOVE ACTUALLY, and I don't care if Keira Knightley does marry the Operative from SERENITY and grin like Stan Winston's Alien Queen, that movie is shit from top to bottom. Yes, even the Colin Firth and foreign nanny bits. FUCK. ALL. HAPPENS. And by God is it boring.<P> Only adding Al Murray's Pub Landlord could have made that movie bearable.

  • July 23, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Stephen Baldwin's best work is BIO DOME

    by spud mcspud

    And it's the best thing Kylie Minogue has ever done either. Yes, even better than STREET FIGHTER.<P> BIO DOME rocks. As do JOE DIRT, BUBBLE BOY (bet this isn't on Jake Gylenhaal's CV these days), BASEKETBALL (ROADKILL: CAUGHT ON CAMERA. I fucking wept with laughter!), THE NEW GUY, and the daddy of all under-rated comedies, the sublime OFFICE SPACE. Every second in that movie is comedic perfection. IDIOCRACY was pretty damn funny too.

  • July 23, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    ironic_name

    by spud mcspud

    Dolph is pretty damn good in DARK ANGEL (I believe it was called I COM IN PEACE in the US). And I loved him in the so-shit-it's-awesome JOHNNY MNEMONIC, which was like a shit dry-run for THE MATRIX wwithout the intelligence or the talent. Batshit crazy movie. But it does have Henry Rollins, Dolph Lundgren, Ice-T, and the incredibly sexy Dina Meyer in it. Was I the only guy who got pissed off that they **SPOILER AHOY** killed Dina Meyer off in STARSHIP TROOPERS but not Denise Richards? For fuck's sake!

  • July 23, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    footage of bale and sister incident

    by ironic_name

    http://tinyurl.com/5fm3n6

  • July 23, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    the dolphin hacker was funny

    by ironic_name

    I want. A TEN thousand dollar a NIGHT HOOKER!

  • July 23, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Stephen Baldwins best work was The Usual Suspects

    by Xiphos_2

    Especially when he was singing old McDonald while setting up his shot on the guards talking to Gabrial Byrne outside the ship. "....On his farm he SHOT some dudes, Ei, Ei Ooh...""<p>Didn't Baldwin become a christer or something? Dipped in the blood of the lamb and all?

  • July 23, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    facthunt! Time gentlemen please was great

    by ironic_name

  • July 23, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    which baldwin was in the threesome movie with sherilin fenn?

    by ironic_name

  • July 23, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    THEY TOOK ERIC ROBERTS'S THUMBS!

    by ironic_name

    once again, if this TB is locked, feel free to go to the zone to discuss shit snipes, van damm an' trejo movies. <P> http://tinyurl.com/562ut2

  • July 23, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Baldwin did a skateboard vid?

    by Xiphos_2

    Now that is humor. I'll need to look it up on Youtube, that shit has to ahve been posted there.<p>DGDB: I was cruising through the titles on the Batman TB and opened the one Samsquanch mentioned me. I'll run across him at some point and tell him what's up. Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it.<p>I see you're arguing with Node again and what is that USC dudes problem? I didn't read his posts because I haven't seen the movie.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    DG

    by Series7

    Dude, I lived in England for three years. I guess the people that talk about Shane Meadows being the real england grew up in the geotto, or are paki? Most of the time in England it was like those other bright and sunny movies. In fact England is so nice I almost got kicked out of private (the british version of public) school for having a bully pack. But at the same time the same kid I picked on a lot sent me a get well card when I broke my arm? I'd say for the best representation of british lifestyle watch the TV mini series The Street, its very good to boot. Well I'm off to marks and sparks to get me some Hula Hoops and Monster Munch. Then me and me mates are going to catch a movie at the cinema, its gonna be well wicked. MAN U!!!!!!!

  • July 23, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Spud

    by Xiphos_2

    I agree about killing off Dina Meyer instead of that block of wood Denise Richards. Although I think that comes from the book. I could be wrong though, I haven't read Starship Troopers in years. Why didn't they use the battle suits is my question. Those suits were cool as hell.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I posted this over in the TDK thread but I'll post here

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    If there are any CoC'ers on the east coast who want some Asian movies, contact me in the Zone with a mailing address. I was cleaning out a closet last night and came across stacks of discs I burned when I didn't have a region free player and had to rip the movies I rented to remove the region coding so I could watch them on my region specific DVD player. I'll mail them out free of charge.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Xiphos_2

    Well if he went to The University of Spoiled Children, that Ghetto fabulous school, he would be full of shit. Although they do have a great football team I'll give'em that.<p>Once you go to the, "I just had sex" card or threaten to kick somebodies ass on an annonymous website, you've proven yourself to be a tool of the highest order. Did he play the living in the parents basement card also? You know, the single most overused insult on the interwebs.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    DGDB pt 2

    by Xiphos_2

    I hit the enter button before I wrote this. The reason I added the _2 to my name so I could write the following sentence. Drop the duce Danny just drop it!

  • July 23, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Go to youtube for Baldwin

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I typed in Stephen Baldwin Christian and got a whole slate of awesome videos.<p> And yes, the skatebaording was on there.<p> Wow, you would think they would know how dated some of those saying are.<p> Rad? I haven't used that word since someone asked the what the single greatest movie featuring a boy and girl at a dance on bicycles was.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Ok

    by Series7

    I don't really get the zone? Do i need to make another account or what?

  • July 23, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Xiphos, as a matter of fact he did

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Something about going back to drinking lite beer and eating Cheetos in your parents basement. That was a real eye roller.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    All you need to do to create an account in the Zone is enter a user and pass. I suggest you use your user here for simplicity. And I'll get that stuff out to you pronto.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Baldwin lost me when he became a Jebus freak

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I still love The Usual Suspects but he's gone off his nut. Almost as bad as Kirk Cameron with his Way of the Master nonsense.

  • July 23, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    That Baldwin Skateboard stuff is a riot

    by Xiphos_2

    It reminds me of one of the few really laugh out loud bits from Dogma, when the Church updated Jesus as Buddy Christ. That was funny, they made him look like a hitchiker, now that's humor.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by spud mcspud

    Nah, it's not the "I'm harder than Ray Winstone" thing. At least, not from me - maybe other Brits.<P> It's just that I am working class, raised (and currently living in) working class areas, and they're never adequately represented in British cinema. You either get the grim-as-hell Northern dystopian movies like KES, NAKED, anything by Mike Leigh, or the daddy of all grim Northern dramas, the horror show THREADS - or you get the cheeky chappy Cockney crime dramas, your LOCK STOCKS, THIS YEAR'S LOVE etc. Shane Meadows at least approximates, better than anyone else, the speech, the slang, the attitudes, the background... I do share an East Midlands heritage with Shane (we grew up less than 20 miles away from each other) so maybe it's regional, but he seems to be the most authentic. It's not a pissing contest - Mike Leigh's Northern stuff is bleaker (especially NAKED) and you can't beat Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds for criminal squalor (I hate to admit it, but SHAMELESS is also pretty accurate as regards working class life, and it's as Mancunian as they come) so it's not a case of me wanting to be seen as an 'ard bastard. I mean, I live up the road from Nottingham, which is fairly bad for gun crime, but not a patch on the Mancs or the Scousers.<P> As for the upper-class life, which I tasted as a working-class boy at an upper-class boarding school paid for by an Assisted Place... I hate to say it, but the HARRY POTTER movies pretty much nail the boarding school experience. Obviously minus pretty much all the negatives - where I went, if it were more realistic, Draco would be raping Potter while Crabbe and Goyle were holding him down, and that's NOT an exaggeration - but the sense of history, the way it's filmed, the relationships between the characters - all spot on for the boarding school experience. Honourable mentions must go to IF... (which is an anarchist classic, as well as a bang-on representation of boarding school life) - I know EXACTLY how McDowell felt at the end! - and DEAD POETS SOCIETY (hey, I was in a poetry and literature society, they are JUST like that). By and large, life in the UK is more sweetness and light than dark and gritty (despite what the media would have you think) and Noel Clarke's movies (KIDULTHOOD / ADULTHOOD) are more a way to feed the Daily Mail negativity media than a true representation of the UK today. But I haven't seen a moderate working-class movie that accurately depicts what the working class that AREN'T scum get up to. I know plenty of no-hoper skanks who behave EXACTLY like the Gallaghers in SHAMELESS, and I know plenty of middle/upper class twats who aspire to be as pathetic as those scrotes, but as to average working class Midlanders who enjoy life without wanting to rob each other or get high every night, there's no real representation at all. Shane Meadows is the closest you'll get.<P> Being English (or British - I'm not precious) is a curiously schizophrenic thing you find yourself apologising for a lot. But no, I don't want you guys thinking I'm trying to portray my life in the big hard white ghetto or anything. If anything, it's depressingly middle-of-the-road in all ways.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with Cheetos?

    by Xiphos_2

    They're tasty! Right now though I would kill to have an In-N-Out Burger Double Double and a strawberry shake. Or a Pizza.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Or Fritos!

    by Xiphos_2

    Damn I screwed that one up.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by spud mcspud

    I've not seen MILLIONS, though I have to admit I liked the look of it. Danny Boyle seems quite good at nailing the working-class character - Ewan McGregor in A LIFE LESS ORDINARY is very much the working class guy who isn't a scumbag. I think the middle-middle-class is very over-represented if you watch BBC1 sitcoms over here - stuff like 2 POINT 4 CHILDREN, MY FAMILY, ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE, WAITING FOR GOD... all very middle-class and twee.<P> It's funny how touchy we Brits are about what class we perceive ourselves to be in, and what we want others to perceive us as. I always thought one of the most astute observations on class in this country was COMMON PEOPLE by Pulp - the lyrics to that song are bang-on. There is a set of people - Rhys Ifans is a very good example, as is crack twat Pete Doherty - who are rolling in money, stinking filthy rich, yet wander around looking like tramps and completely disregarding personal hygiene. I will never understand why the upper class have a fascination with being working class - or why the working class are so keen to live down to the stereotype given in SHAMELESS when they could aspire to better. I try to aspire to beter behaviour, but I'm not ashamed of my working class heritage - even though I feel like an outsider having spent the ages 11-16 around upper class people more than working class.<P> Man, it's confusing up in my head. I yam what I yam, that's all that I yam. Cug yug yug.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Xiphos_2

    No I'm not in Iraq that was my previous deployment and where I got dinged up a little bit.<p>Foods pretty good, can't really bitch about it, its just that I want a double double. I've been thinking about one for the last week or so. I'm a big fan of In-N-Out, its one of few fast foods I'll eat. The other ones being Fat Burger and Tommy Burger.<p>Have you ever been to the orginal Fat Burger on La Cieniga south of the Beverly Center? That place is fun to eat at. You got everybody throwing the hairy eyeball at each other. Good times.

  • July 23, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Xiphos_2

    No I could say if I wanted to. Its just that I choose not to due to the fact that there are some extreme knuckle heads on a TB and I can't defend myself from pointy headed attacks. I'll give it up in late September when I'm back if you want, or if your on the zone email me. I'm Xiphos there also.<p>And a good night to you sir I'm off to bed.

  • July 23, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Contact me in the Zone and I'll get some movies out to you too.

  • July 23, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Thank you! Mori

    by andrew coleman

    A lot of people here are giving you shit. I think this open letter is cool.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian...zoned ya!

    by just pillow talk

    You are a true patriot of the CoC!

  • July 23, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    oh...and this thread...#1 with a fucking bullet!

    by just pillow talk

    Millions is a nice little movie BTW...

  • July 23, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    spectrebeeyatch

    by just pillow talk

    Not any of the CoC members...we appreciate Mori's letter, and we are looking forward to the movie as well.

  • July 23, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    You mods need to open a /b/-style forum

    by dr sauch

    for this site.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Speaking Harvey's Language

    by Spymunk

    Talkbackers are right on this one, Moriarty. You could spend 5000 hours talking about quality, audience, writing, characterization, style, art, substance, dimension, detail, skill, craft, intelligence, sophistication, beauty ... and it would mean absolutely nothing to this man. It would mean less than nothing. Harvey Weinstein has throughout his career made it clear that he cares SO little about the creative process and about creative people that he would gladly not even RELEASE the most artistic film ever made if it meant he'd make ten cents more for his studio by doing so. <p> I do want to commend you for caring so deeply about a film that you'd write this letter, but you'd be better served by coming up with a way to convince him this can make money. <p> The tough part about that, of course, is that if the trailers are to be believed it doesn't look like it can. The budget looks SUB Sci-Fi channel, and the sets and costumes smack of Uwe Boll's BLOODRAYNE. <p> You criticize us for having a defeatist attitude, but it's there for a reason. Genre fans like us have learned two hard lessons - studios DESPISE us so much they grit their teeth 'til blood comes out when someone suggests a genre picture be made (unless it can be 'sold' as something else - "Don't think of it as fantasy - think of it as hot guys in fetish theme gear! The gay crowd will LOVE it!" - LORD OF THE RINGS) and the rest of the world LAUGHS at us (unless they're watching the hot guys in LORD OF THE RINGS). <p> I know you think that I say this stuff to sound smart, but it's not the case. I just recognize this movie has NO chance of making money. Not even a little chance. None. You could put this in 3000 theaters and you'd get $4m on the opening weekend. You could advertise it all summer. At the end of the day, Mori, the cost is going to outweigh ANYONE's interest, and it'll make its budget back straight to DVD. In fact, if Harvey is smart, he won't even bother with those 50 theaters and will put it straight to video.

  • July 23, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    HOD..how does one go to the "zone"?

    by Jonah Echo

    Im always up for some free dvds. Not a member of the COC though. Maybe in spirit perhaps?

  • July 23, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    You did a good thing here, Mori

    by exie

    Don't let anyone make you think different. It's what I miss about this site. Harry's blatant pimping of his friends mediocre movies is insulting. This site used to be about finding that unknown gem that none of us knew about and bringing some light to it. You did just that and I can tell you I will definitely watch this movie in whatever form when it comes out.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Ok Jarv

    by Series7

    If your still there, I just saw Sir Paul Giamatti on the best late night show Jimmy Kimmel and he mentioned some Brit movie he made with Beno called Thunderpants. Please send me a copy of this. A thank you.

  • July 23, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Too True, Exie

    by Spymunk

    I'd never heard of OUTLANDER and now that I have I'm going to check it out. It might be good. Who knows? But trying to suggest Harvey Weinstein could find it in himself to care even for a split-second about the creative process or people or ANYTHING beyond $-signs is foolish to say the least. Harvey Weinstein isn't a human being, even. He's proved with his "creative" decisions thar he's a soulless beast being whipped by Corporate Masters. He has no mind of his own, no soul and no spirit. And there's no way this could open in more than 50 theaters because of that.

  • July 24, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Series7 - RE: Thunderpants

    by Spymunk

    Dude, you've got to see THUNDERPANTS for one reason and one reason alone. The movie sucks horribly except for this one thing, - it features Rupert Grint aka Ron Weasley doing what I consider to be the honest-to-god most hilarious impression of Tom Waits as Renfield from DRACULA. I swear to god, if I ever meet Rupert Grint, I am going to ask him if it was on purpose, because it just HAS to be intentional. See the movie and tell me if I'm right. Spymunk@gmail.com Also, check out my blog: www.spymunk.blogspot.com. PLEASE comment - comments are welcome!

  • July 24, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Tombodet

    by Xiphos_2

    I believe that the power of Ron "the Penguin" Cey keeps GRL(tm) at bay. The power of the penguin can't be denied. Even if he played for the evil LA Dodgers

  • July 24, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Jonah Echo - you need an account [its free, obviously]

    by ironic_name

    basically like this main area, only you have to do it again, but in the zone you can post pictures.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Spud

    by Lost Jarv

    I put this in the Batman talkback- The law actually is Simple/ Common Assault which is (I think) section 47 of the CJA- basically, the law states that you are guilty if you intentionally cause the apprehension of immediate physical harm. It's very rarely used as battery/ ABH happen far more often.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Top TB.

    by Lost Jarv

    Good work fellas. I'm back on quota time so can't help out.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I watched the WIcker Man again last night

    by Lost Jarv

    Awesome film- especially the performance from Edward Woodward. Is it wrong to actually want the uptight prick burnt at the stake?

  • July 24, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST

    I second that Love, Actually is unwatchable dreck

    by Lost Jarv

    Die in fire Curtis, you smug fucking twat.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Danny, it isn't about being tough

    by Lost Jarv

    It's about accurate representations. I've got a similar background to the tubor, and have mixed in all parts- but there's something about his smug aristo tosspieces that I find personally offensive. Partly because it perpetuates the myth of the English as floppy haired stuttering nobheads and partly because the moaning they do about inconsequential problems does not represent the reality most of us face. <P>The absolute best balance I've ever seen was in The Full Monty. It hit the line between urban misery and lower middle class life spot on.<P>And Thunderpants is shit. Avoid. <P>

  • July 24, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    BTW

    by Lost Jarv

    Spud, what fucking school did you go to? I went to a posh boarding school and in 5 years I can't remember a single incident of homosexuality. Mind you, it was co-ed by the time I was there and plenty of that shit happened in the past.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Millions is a good film

    by Lost Jarv

    Shallow Grave is also a fucking good indication of how young professionals actually live

  • July 24, 2008, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Except without the murder

    by Lost Jarv

    or maybe they do. I don't know.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    see you later

    by Lost Jarv

    Quota kicked in again.

  • July 24, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv did the man take you down

    by Xiphos_2

    Again?

  • July 24, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Yup.

    by Lost Jarv

    Quota time and a fucking disciplinary in the same day. How shit.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    and It's really nice outside.

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm not doing any work- just gazing out the window.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by Xiphos_2

    Is the bird watching good out that window? Glad you have good weather I sure as shit don't.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    it's fucking pouring outside here...

    by just pillow talk

    Probably mean my AP clerk and credit and collections chick won't be wearing nice tops today.<p>Damn.

  • July 24, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Ebert's X-Files review..

    by Jonah Echo

    http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080723/REVIEWS/1651704 <p> It seems to me that Ebert has a better view of the whole thing that the review here. Yes, I know he has been quite positive lately, but at least here I get an actual feeling for what the movie is, and is about. It sounds good to me, regardless of Ebert's personal comments on it.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:15 a.m. CST

    it does make it sound like one of stand-alone eps

    by just pillow talk

    I probably won't see this in the theater, but it'll be a quality rental it seems.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Jonah and JPT

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Jonah, just create an account in the Zone and I recommend using the same user and pass as you do for the TBs to limit confusion. Send me your mailing address and I'll get some movies out to you as your commitment to excellence and knowledge of B-movies has been an inspiration.<p>Pillow, I'll get your package out to you on Monday and it'll be sent overnight.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Ok so why in the

    by Series7

    X-Files trailer do they say "Sexy"! Is that going to drawn more people? X-Files may be a sleeper hit but I don't see it doing more then 70 mil. Especially with a William Farrell comedy that actually looks funny (watch the red band trailer, it really does).

  • July 24, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Jonah

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You can also send me an e-mail at my spam account, but just put something good in the subject line so I know it's you. I haven't logged in for a couple years so I hope it's still active.<p>grumpy_is_good@yahoo.com

  • July 24, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    I live in Maryland, is that a problem? Ill drop some B-goodness in the subject line...

  • July 24, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Series..

    by Jonah Echo

    If it makes 70 mil, which might be alot, depending on who comes out for this, then it will be in good shape. It only cost 30 mil to make.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    The trailer actually looks kind of cool

    by Stormshadow4life

    it starts off lame...but picks up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBIp8uv58I

  • July 24, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Oh, and since..

    by Jonah Echo

    Seems X-Files is going the psychic route, what great or just greatly wierd movies revolve around psychics? Favorites? <p> Me, I'm voting The Dead Zone.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    stormshadow

    by Jonah Echo

    I cant see youtube right now. What is it a trailer for?

  • July 24, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Ok a little off topic

    by Series7

    But we were discussing Mel Gibson movies at work, and we honestly couldn't think of a movie of his that we didn't like. Like I don't think he's made a bad movie. Maybe you didn't like Leathal Weapon but it was still damn entertaining.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Jonah Echo

    by Series7

    I'm saying 70 mil at best, but it could also do only 20 mil. They need to play up the David D more, he's really popular right now. Only X-Files fans remember Scully, though she was on Leno the other night.

  • July 24, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Series7

    Due to my current office situation I can't read this entire thread, only small amounts at a time. But are you giving away a bunch of movies? Like do you have a list?

  • July 24, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Series..

    by Jonah Echo

    With Mel, I'd argue "What Women Want", "Lethal Weapon 4", "Forever Young" but at the same time none of those were terrible. Most people don't know it, but Million Dollar Hotel wasn't really that great either.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    many thanks again Hawaiian

    by just pillow talk

    Soon my turn to the darkside will be complete....

  • July 24, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Series and Jonah

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I have a bundles of movies at home and right now I can't remember any specific titles as they've been sitting in a closet for the past 6 months. But there will be a lot of stuff in there like Public Enemy, Running Wild, Welcome to Dongmokgol, A Bittersweet Life, Mr. Socrates, Arahan, Typhoon. Basically stuff that's a few years old but that even the most fluent Asain movie fans will have missed. And I'm willing to send it out to you, free of charge.<p>Jonah, Maryland is fine. Hell, I'm willing to send some out to Danny and that SOB lives in California.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Series7/Jonah

    by just pillow talk

    I would definitely agree with Jonah on LW4 and Forever Young. However, I'll give a slight pass to What Women Want because of Helen Hunt.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Also CoC'ers

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    If you have a DVD player that can play DIVX/AVI/MPEG files then I can triple the amount of movies I can send you.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Mel's Cannon

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I didn't like LW3&4, but I'm one of the few guys who will defend What Women Want. When it comes to romcoms, I'm sucker for anything that doesn't sink to Failure to Launch or Maid In Manhattan levels.<p>I never saw Passion so I can't comment.<p>But with Mel we have the Mad Max stuff, LW1&2, Payback, We Were Soldiers and of course as I have declared my creepy love for lately, The Patriot and Apocalypto. And his voiceover in Chicken Run was great. And if I remember corrrectly Conspiracy Theory was pretty good.<p>He does have some dreck on that resume though.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    What Women Want

    by Lost Jarv

    is better movies than that patronising garbage. <P>Although I do always laugh when he accidentally electrocutes himself.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    We're #2 again

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    C'mon fellas, get the lead out.<p>I'm not sure if there's an actor/filmmaker with a perfect track record. Personally, Ridley Scott and Michael Mann come reeeeeeally close. Maybe one misstep a piece in my book.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Pfffft!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Michael Mann made Ali, which proved it is possible to make a dull film about one of the twentieth century's most charismatic men. Damn you, Michael Mann.<p>I want to say something nice, but I just saw The Dark Knight and I have very little that's nice to say.<p>Um... Megan Fox has a wonderful, wonderful midrif. That'll have to do.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    damn...it's like the fucking Indy thread

    by just pillow talk

    And Ali really was bland and uninteresting.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Ali was like Miami Vice

    by just pillow talk

    Though I did promise Danny Boy that I'd give Miami Vice another shot at some point.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    HOD..you are awesome..

    by Jonah Echo

    I liked Typhoon and Arahan(though maybe a bit too silly). I play everything on my PS3, so those are my limitations now.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Then there's your misstep

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I didn't hate Ali, I just found it wasn't very engaging. But Thief, Manhanter, Mohicans, Heat, The Insider and Collateral, that's a damn fine resume. I left off Miami Vice because that was his misstep for me.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    As much as Juno annoyed me...

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    (And it really, really annoyed me) I still think Diablo Cody has some talent. All she needs to do is dial it down a bit. If you want people to know how clever and funny you are, just be clever and funny and people will figure it out for themselves. If you keep shouting "HEY! CHECK OUT HOW SMART AND FUNNY I AM!!", people will just want you to shut the fuck up.<p>I look forward to whatever she does next, even if Juno did make me want to throw squashed up pop cans at a fictional character.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    clearly he's had many more hits than misses

    by just pillow talk

    Though the ending of Collateral bothers me to no end. Sorry, but there's no way Tommy boy gets offed by cab driver.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Ridley has more blemishes on his..

    by Jonah Echo

    Someone to Watch Over Me is pretty sucky. I didn't care much for Black Rain. Thelma and Louise also wasnt much to write home about. White Squall was forgettable. Hannibal was pretty weak. A Good Year had it's moments, but didnt go anywhere really. G.I.Jane? Yea, there are some less than awesome gigs on Ridley's list.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I had forgotten about Miami Vice

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Which I suppose sums up my experience of that one.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I love Black Rain

    by Lost Jarv

    overlooked classic that one.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    We need to keep going..gotta get this talkback

    by Jonah Echo

    to the 1000s. I think that's a realistic goal at this rate.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I wanted to punch Ridley Scott

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    During the third act of Matchstick Men, I really would like to have punched Ridley Scott, while he still had one of his fat cigars in his mouth, so it got all splayed out across his face like in a cartoon or somesuch. That film has such an ugly and onvious twist. I sat through that film, mostly enjoying, with my fingers crossed, saying a silent prayer of "Don't do it, don't do it", but then they went and fucking did it. Bastards.<p>If you've seen the film, you know what I mean.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    That is obvious, obviously

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    If I had my mobile phone bat sonar with me, I would not have made that typo.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Jarv..

    by Jonah Echo

    Yea, I meet several who really like Black Rain, but me personally, I thought it was just o.k. though I had hoped for more after seeing that it was Mike Douglas and Ridley "Bladerunner" Scott. It's been about 15 years since I saw it though, so maybe it's time for a new look at it.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Jonah

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I'm going to assume the PS3 can play every type of file then.<p>I'll e-mail you back with titles so I don't send you stuff you've already seen.<p>I stand corrected. After looking at IMDB, Ridley Scott has a few missteps so I guess that puts him in the same category as Senior Spielbergo.<p>Day-Lewis has a pretty impressive resume. Then again, he chooses his roles carefully and infrequently so he has less to critique than say, Harrison Ford.

  • July 24, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Franklin..

    by Jonah Echo

    You are right. Matchstick Men was heading down the path of Ridley greatness. That third act munged it up, but didn't kill it for me. It's still 2/3rds of a great movie.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    American Gangster

    by Lost Jarv

    not great. It felt heaviy unbalanced.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    An underrated Ridley classic

    by Jonah Echo

    is The Duellists. Anyone ever see this? It was made before Alien. Harvey Keitel and Keith Carradine as two men fighting repeatedly over the course of the Napoleonic Wars.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Didnt like American Gangster..

    by Jonah Echo

    just felt pretty standard and bland.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I liked Black Rain too

    by just pillow talk

    That was back when I though Andy Garcia was cool.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    thought Andy...

    by just pillow talk

    Fuck...maybe my sonar is out of whack too.<p>I thought American Gangster was just okay, nothing spectacular.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    I don't wish Diablo Cody harm

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I just wish she would shut up and write. Stay in the background and let your writing do your talking for you. That's what happened to Kevin Smith. He wanted to be in the spotlight too much and became known more for his antics than his films and it became his downfall. Granted, he's got influence and money (two things I'll never have) but he's really only made one good film and that was 14 years ago so Cody needs to take note.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I liked American Gangster

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Not a great one, but still pretty good. I think if you put together a team like Scott, Zaillian, Washington and Crowe (plus that supporting cast), expectations go through the roof, and it wasn't capable of meeting them.<p>It's still a decent watch, though.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    if harvey is anything like every other exec, then...

    by thekylegassproject

    mori might have been a bit sanctimonious in describing why he liked the film. i imagine the reading of this letter went something like this...<p> HARVEY'S ASSISTANT: ...sir, here is a letter from one of the personalities of that geek site AICN.<p> HARVEY: what? well hand it over. *grumble, grumble* "crashlands on earth in the time of vikings" *grumble, grumble* "overpowered after an encounter with wulfric"...Jones, what the fuck is this?<p> HARVEY

  • July 24, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    The Duelists

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Is awesome. Nobody even knows it exists.<p>I saw the 3-hour version of American Gangster the same day I saw Jesse James and Michael Clayton. I was knocked out on the couch with a fever of 103 and delirious. I loved all 3 movies. I'm afraid to watch any of them again for fear my flu influenced my opinion.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    if harvey is anything like every other exec, then...

    by thekylegassproject

    mori might have been a bit sanctimonious in describing why he liked the film. ya gotta keep these things brief. i imagine the reading of this letter went something like this...<p> HARVEY'S ASSISTANT: ...sir, here is a letter from one of the personalities of that geek site AICN.<p> HARVEY: what? well hand it over. *grumble, grumble* "crashlands on earth in the time of vikings" *grumble, grumble* "overpowered after an encounter with wulfric"...Jones, what the fuck is this?<p> HARVEY'S ASSISTANT (JONES): i'm sorry, sir...<p> HARVEY: what else ya got for me?<p> JONES: i just picked up your new benz off the lot. it's waxed and ready to go. also, quentin wants to come in about "bastards."<p> HARVEY: sure, sure. listen. NEW CARS DON'T GET WAXED!<p>

  • July 24, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    I have it on dvd, The Duelists and take every opportunity to introduce others to it. I also have a soft spot for the Legend:Director's Cut. Heck, I even like 1492.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I've added the Duelists to the queue...

    by just pillow talk

    it sounds pretty interesting to me.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    How did Cody do research for...

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    How did research the language for Juno? Did she interview teens for vocal style and current lingo?<p> I just remember Cameron Crowe going undercover and that high school in California before he did Fast Times at Ridgemont High.<p> He knocked that one out of the park. Loved that movie.<p> Juno was watchable, but the language of Page was most distracting to me, which seemed to get the best reviews. Maybe I'm crazy.<p> Garner looking in the nursery not saying anything, but nervously fidgeting screamed louder than most of the dialogue. That was my favorite part of the movie.<p> And when it showed her at the end of the movie looking at the baby and doing things on her own. Amazing.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Jonah Echo

    by Series7

    Aaaahhh Million Dollar Hotel did suck. Third arm? I'd watch Forever Young any day of the week that movie was good. And What Women Want is one of best Rom Coms ever, speaking only in terms of Rom Coms. Outside of that it may suck, but I'd rather watch What Women Want then any Freddie Prince Jr. crap. For a Rom Com to be entertaining means that it was successful. Like I said about Leatheal Weapon, maybe you thought it to be ridiculos and over the top but it was damn entertaining.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Garner was good in Juno, Chitty

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    As to the dialogue thing, I don't think it's necessary for dialogue to be realistic. All dialogue has to be stylised to some extent, but Cody's problem is she goes too far overboard with it. It's a kind of insecurity, I think, which maybe is understandable given that this was her first screenplay. I just wish someone had been on hand to edit here and there.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I never got your take on The Dark Knight, JPT

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Did you like it?<p>I'm feeling a little confused at the moment. I read a bunch of reviews, and for the life of me I feel like I just saw a different film.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Franklin..what did you think?

    by Jonah Echo

  • July 24, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    That makes sense Franklin

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    When someone is insecure, they tend to go overboard to make sure they do everthing right to get the attention they want.<p> Maybe she felt if some was good, then more was better as far as the verbal output and style of Page's mouth.<p> I will have to watch it again and see if gets any better.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Ridely has a bunch of stuff

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I forgot he directed. Like 1492, White Squall, GI Jane and Hannibal. Hannibal was garbage and I don't remember if the other 3 were good or not. When I mentioned him I was only thinking about The Deulists, Alien, Blade Runner, Legend, Black Rain, Thelma and Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, A Good Year, Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) and American Gangster. Those are all good to perfect movies for me and very few directors have a dozen movies I want to watch more than once.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    a DK tidbit

    by Jonah Echo

    Adds more glorious fuel to the fire of the What is Two Face's status at end of DK. <p> Eckhart Agrees To Third Batman <p> Film23 July 2008 9:10 AM, PDT | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news <p> Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal". <p> Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film. <p> He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

  • July 24, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Enjoyed Legend

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    The demon in that movie could be Hellboy's dad with the horns and all.<p> I didn't know there was a director's cut as I went to the theater to see it. <p> Is there a big difference?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    I sent you an email.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Good morning Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    You're up and about at the crack of dawn I see.<p>TDK thread is killing us.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Frankie - I absolutely loved TDK

    by just pillow talk

    Danny, will do. That's interesting that the director's cut is worse in your opinion.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I thought it was okay at best, maybe a little better than Begins, which was not a film I was nuts about. It has a lot of the same problems as Begins - the overly serious tone, the heavy-handedness, the uninspired action scenes - but it has the good points as well - solid character writing, Michael Caine as Alfred, um... that's it. I thought Aaron Eckhart was very good, but that guy is good in pretty much everything.<p>Coming out of the cinema, I just felt weird. So much hype, so many great reviews and responses, and I wanted to be as excited about a new Batman film as everyone else seems to be. But I thought it was mostly alright and, in some places, downright awful.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Dioblo

    by Series7

    I don't think you can compare her to Smith, maybe Will Wheaton or Parez Hilton. Because at least smith did something before he got famous, he just didn't get famous for having a blog. And he didn't glamorize a terrible situation in a womens life. Also he actually directed a movie, didn't just leech off of some hack son of a used to be good director. Also Smith didn't have the world kissing his feet about how new he was. I used to think Crash winning best movie was the worst Oscar given out, then she won. God last year sucked so bad for movies. The Cohen brothers getting recognized for one of there lesser films that also plays out like a dramatic remake of one of their older movies. And Javier winning an oscar for one of his lesser performences. I was still amazed that Once won for song, only because with the way things turned out Disney should've won, at least they got that right. Oh yeah Smith is actually funny as well, and Dogma is a great movie. He isn't a one timer.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Danny and the X-files

    by just pillow talk

    I probably won't be checking it out in the theater, but will definitely on DVD. Give us a review tomorrow on it. I'm hoping for a classic X-files 'feel' to it.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    not every comic book movie can be like FF...

    by just pillow talk

    Perhaps Batman needed a Silver Surfer in it?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart

    by Series7

    I don't get the love for this guy. He's kind of crap. Most of the time he comes off as a guy thats seen Wall Street too many times. Also what was with the Shaggy hair? He's the fucking DA, any big lawyer knows not to have hair on your collar. Also I guess Bruce was trained to fight 100 men in Begins but 100 < 3 dogs?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I use the same moniker in the Zone as I do here but I also posted an e-mail address above that I use just as a spam account so you can send something to me there, just use a detailed subject line because I might overlook "Dickblood" among all the "penis and Viagra" subject lines.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    That is a low blow, pillow

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    A low blow, and after I never made any jokes about your secret love for Andy Garcia.<p>Anyway, when you have Christian Bale in that goofy suit talking to regularly dressed men with that ridiculous billy goat gruff accent, I don't think a naked Silver guy on a flying surfboard would help all that much. It's daft enough already, we don't have to overdo it. Who are we, Diablo Cody?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Also TDK

    by Series7

    The best performence given in that movie was Oldman. Hands down! Oldman, who's known for playing the over the top villian, would've toped Heath Bar's performence (probably because he reads directions?). But for Oldman to pull off a restrienghed performence like that, while everyone else is having a deep voice contest. He was the only character I cared about. I liked Heaths performence, but it took me until the interogation seen to really buy it.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    So Franklin..can we assume then..

    by Jonah Echo

    that Rumpelstilstken > The Dark Knight? <p> Just messing with ya, man. Sorry you didn't enjoy it more.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    you know I must always take my FF potshots

    by just pillow talk

    at you. It's really pretty standard now.<p>I think Silver Surfer should be digitally added to bad romcoms to blast those characters with his power cosmic.<p>Who doesn't carry some secret Andy love with them? Who?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    And The Dark Knight

    by Series7

    Was pretty funny actually. I'm really torn about it. Because everyone's acting like there hasn't been a good movie in forever before TDK cam along, and I've seen so many good movies this summer. I thought Hellboy 2 was better, just because I don't feel like watching TDK again, I could see Hellboy 2 over and over again. And I really wasn't some huge GDT fan either, its the first film of his I've really really liked, wait no...second Blade 2. That man can make a bad ass sword fight.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    We need a new topic now..

    by Jonah Echo

    We are starting to fall to the star wars talkback.. <p> How bout best horror films from the early days? 30s and 40s?

  • July 24, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I don't know about Rumpelstiltskin, Jonah

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    But I will say this:<p>Leprechaun In Space > The Dark Knight

  • July 24, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I think Aaron is a better actor when he's angry

    by just pillow talk

    Perhaps he needs half his face melted off and his work will always be of high quality. <p>Seriously, I just think he's alright, nothing spectacular. Just watched him in No Reservations last night, which was a passable movie. Sunshine tonight, and then ugh!! The Other Boyleyn Girl.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Add Silver Surfer to Six Days, Seven nights

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    That movie with Harrison Ford and Anna 'I'm confued' Heche.<p> He could even have really surfed up to the island before unleashing the fury.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck wants to talk about Star Wars anymore?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Didn't that die a while back? I heard something about it, I think.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Series, maybe I need to give Dogma another shot. And Smith is funny as is evident by his speech in front of a college crowd when describing his experience about writing the Superman script. It's up on YouTube and it's funny as hell. His wit is fantastic and his timing is even better. Unfortunately, he's got a super-sized ego and thin skin. I wish him a return to form but Mallrats, Jay and Silent Bob, Jeresy Girl and Clerks 2 ranged from either not very good to outright crap. Certainly not what I expected from the guy at the beginning of his career. But I have a feeling he has infinitely more talent than Cody ever will.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein

    by just pillow talk

    My favorite one.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Oldman is impressive..

    by Jonah Echo

    especially if while you are watching this, you bring to mind his character from Fifth Element and his Dracula and the villain from The Professional. In TDK his take on Gordon looks exactly like my dad. My wife kept commenting on it through the film. Oldman deserves a nom as much as anyone else who would be considered for this movie.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Has no one seen In The Company Of Men?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    He's fucking great in that. One of the great movie pricks. Watch that film and I defy anyone to refer to Aaron Ackhart as ordinary.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Fave old horrors

    by Jonah Echo

    Almost anything from Val Lewton. That original Cat People film is one of the best horror films I've ever seen.Actually just plain one of the best films. I love the way they use a horror trope to make a movie basically about a busted, troubled marriage and the effect of sexual repression on the psyche. What a great, great movie. <p>

  • July 24, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Hellboy 2 was great too

    by just pillow talk

    Just watched Blade 2 again the other night...that movie kicks ass too.

  • July 24, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    The Old Dark House

    by Jonah Echo

    It was the movie James Whale made between Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein(which is also one of my faves). It's the template for almost every "old dark house and creepy family and ecclectic group of strangers" movie that followed. All those failed movies like Nothing But Trouble and Haunted Honeymoon were all trying to catch this film's magic. Anyone see it? I kind of suspect this family was the template for the Addam's family. If not the whole clan, at least Lurch owes much to Karloff's butler in this.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Val Newton fact

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Forgot about Lewton and looked him up on IMDB. He was a story editor on Gone With the Wind. Impressive.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Oh I didn't hate it

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I just thought it would be fun to see Silver Surfer show up and start blasting.<p> One of my favorite quotes from the movie is when Heche is arguing with Ford and screams "And there's nothing wrong with my tits!!"<p> Now that I think about it, the plane in the cloud scenes were pretty impressive.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    In The Company of Men

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Is fantastic. The guy screaming at the end was a helluva way to cut to credits.<p>Danny, got your e-mail. Jonah, didn't get yours yet so I don't know if you need to try again.<p>grumpy_is_good@yahoo.com <p>Surprised that account still works. Had two years of spam piled up.<p>No Reservations. Well, it was a passable romcom but one you only watch once.<p>Keep an open mind for the third act of Sunshine, Pillow.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Anthrax?

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I could include their discography I suppose.<p>Black Lagoon is the first creature feature I saw. Brilliant movie.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I still haven't seen Indy IV

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I had too many people tell me to wait for the DVD, but I still wish I had seen it in the theaters anyway.<p> I just remember how hot Ford's first girlfriend was in 6 days 7 nights. Damn

  • July 24, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Check again HOD

    by Jonah Echo

    The subject line says something about invaders from something or another..and then It's Jonah at the end.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    I think it lists another name on it..

    by Jonah Echo

    It's a fake BS email as well..not my real identity or anything.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    In The Company Of Men

    by Series7

    Perfect example of Aarons overuse of Wall Street as a learning tool. Good movie, I really need to see the new (and old) Wicker Man thinking about Company of Men, how do you fall so far?

  • July 24, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Danny..

    by Jonah Echo

    Yea, the name wasn't my idea. Nor my parents. It was all part of a pseudo writer stunt thing we did awhile ago. Figured it wouldnt hurt to use it now.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    JPT

    by Series7

    Sunshine probably my favorite film of last year. I fucking loved it, even the third act, thought I feel it looses a lot of the scoop on the small screen. Thank Fox Searchlight for that, because it was more important getting Juno to make money then giving a fuck about Sunshine or Nightwatch.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    HOD

    by Series7

    Sent you an e-mail, it says its me Series7 in the subject. <P> Also I've seen Kevin Smiths, i guess stand up? movies. He is really funny, I'm about to buy one of his Daredevil comic volumes as well. Need to get The Killing Joke while I'm at it. If your into comics, the comic right now called The Twelve will probably end up being a movie, its pretty cool so far.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    oh, I'll approach it open-minded...I love sci-fi

    by just pillow talk

    I'm very forgiving for any missteps a sci-fi movie might have.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Skin and Bones

    by Jonah Echo

    Moriarty's ep of Fear Itself airs tonight. Thought it would be appropriate to synchronize, as much as is possible, a viewing and commentary on it when it airs,or thereabouts. It will help keep the TB alive and it will give us a goal, and if we can keep civil it will give Mori, hopefully some feedback/encouragement. I read the script and I have faith in the concept and in Fessenden and Doug Jones. Lets do it!

  • July 24, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    6 Days 7 Nights

    by Lost Jarv

    the hate comes from David Schwimmer's awful, awful performance. And Anne Heche. <P>Me, I honestly can't remember it.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    No one should give a fuck about Nightwatch

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    And with that, I'm off...

  • July 24, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Sunshine

    by Lost Jarv

    I really, really loved the first 2/3rd's of it. But that last act is simply all over the place. <P>And I was suprised at that performance. <P>It's a good film, and arguably the best attempt at proper sci-fi in ages, but it isn't great. It certainly wasn't my favourite of last year.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Nightwatch is another one that lost it's way

    by Lost Jarv

    I was totally loving it up to the end.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Read that Skin and Bones script

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Thanks for the link Jonah. I enjoyed it and can't wait for the visuals to go along with the script.<p> For me any creature movie set out in the isolation of a swamp, mountains, etc is very fun to watch.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Danny..

    by Jonah Echo

    Drew and Scott wrote a script for Fear Itself, the NBC aired horror anthology. The script is actually online over at this thread: <P> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37450 <p> I encourage you to read it Danny. It comes on NBC at 10 p.m. I believe. The details are in there, as is the link to download the script, per Mori's blessing.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Damn, forgot about Schwimmer in that

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    He had that same mopey, dopey delivery that he had early in Friends. I mean it was the excact same character but different names. Maybe mind just repressed it like a tragic memory. Bleeeeech.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Skin and Bones

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I want to watch it just for the scene at the table near the end.<p> Eat!

  • July 24, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Right, so as many as are here in TB

    by Jonah Echo

    I was hoping we could make a pass at watching it and offering up thoughts on it. Useful or encouraging stuff, not beratement or cruelly critical stuff with no benefit. Afterall, Mori didn't direct it. Just co-wrote it. Still, I figure we don't often get the chance to support the work of the staff here, so why not?

  • July 24, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Danny..

    by Jonah Echo

    Fear Itself is basically the MOH for network tv. I think they are following what opportunities they can get. And to be honest, I thought this was by far the best of the three scripts they have written. The real thing here is being able to see the diff between script and actual work. <P> I will warn you that Fear Itself has been pretty poor thus far.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    DG

    by Series7

    Celluar is a good fun movie. The Transporter is barley in it. Its more of a William H. Macy and Chris Evans movie. Its directed by the guy who did Final Destination 2 which is surprisingly good as well, and then Snakes on a Plane which while it didn't suck, it just didn't work. But Cellular is excillent.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I'll be there to watch

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    It comes on at nine on NBC, so it shouldn't be a problem.<p> I tried watching last week's, as it started out creepy, but couldn't finish as it started to lag.<p> Switched over to Scare Tactics and forgot about it.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Sadly, me and Frank are stuck on some

    by Lost Jarv

    shitty little Island in the north sea where it's hard to get things like that. <P>Do people really still give a fuck about Star Wars? Lucas lost me when he CGI's that little prick into ROTJ- I fucking loathed the prequels, but it shocked me when I found out he could sink lower than that.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    That's cool Danny..give us a proper review..

    by Jonah Echo

    Also, I posted Roger Ebert's X-Files review above. I know several here don't care for his opinion these days, but opinion aside I think he gives what seems like a good idea of what the movie actually is and what to expect, unlike Latauro's review. Ebert seems to understand what made the show work. At least according to the review. He might also be off his rocker, but he gave it 3 and half stars.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Hmm,

    by Lost Jarv

    did any of you see that site where some little toerag dissected Mori's X-men ripoff script. <P>Granted, the script wasn't great, but this complete douche wrote in about 5 different characters (you could tell, because they all had different coloured fonts- and no, I'm not joking about that) shredding it. <P>It wasn't the greatest script ever, but it was certainly better than Transformers and AvP- even if Mori did rip off the phrase "Homo Superior".

  • July 24, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Forget the Lucas thing and keep posting..

    by Jonah Echo

    In an hour or so, it will probably be lagging behind, due to that "top posts in 24 hours. We have far more posts in the last hour or so than they have had, since they were sitting at 276 an hour ago and now are at 290, while we were at 880 an hour or so ago, and now look at us.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Not that I'm badmouthing contributors

    by Lost Jarv

    but having just slighted Mori's X-Men homage, I'm now going to slag of Latauro- did you fucking see that asinine Dr. Who question that he submitted to the Stallone Q&A? It wasn't just that the question was asinine, it was also appalingly smug, arrogant and cringeworthy. It should never have been submitted.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah, we hold steady at about 200-300 per day.

    by Lost Jarv

    Which is good going,

  • July 24, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Got your e-mail Series

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I haven't been into comics in 15 years. It was an expensive habit that I had to kick.<p>We're getting owned by a 3-D Star Wars TB?

  • July 24, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I've been watching Fear Itself

    by Series7

    Its pretty good. Better then last years Masters Of Science Fiction.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    who the hell is posting to the SW thread?

    by just pillow talk

    Jarv is right, why bother anymore? Let's regurgitate the same shit again on screen, just 'tweak' it this way or that. Fuck that.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    HOD, did you get mine yet?

    by Jonah Echo

    It was Jonah Ark as the email address.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Latauro did

    by Lost Jarv

    It was about 3 paragraphs long and written in psuedo ironic wankness. Here it is:<P>3. Mr Stallone,<P> For years, I thought you were part of "Sly and the Family Stone" simply because of the syllabic similarities. <p> That's not my question. <p> There was a rumour going around in the late 90s that noted "director" Paul WS Anderson was going to revive the then-comatose British science fiction show "Doctor Who" as a big budget movie. Back then, nobody knew who WS was, so most of the fans' ire was directed at his rumoured choice for the Doctor: yourself. (This ire was not out of any sort of personal dislike, but more that it was the most bizarrely left-field casting ever. Like if you were write a fifth Rambo film, only you decided to cast Dame Judie Dench or or the skeletal remains of Charlie Chaplin in the title role.) <p> I've labored for years under the assumption that my favourite TV show ever almost went down this ill-advised path, only now that I'm actually typing it out, it seems quite ridiculous. Either way, I've been wanting to know for years and years and years, and now I can finally ask: did this almost happen? If so, how far along the process did you get? <p> Many thanks, and all the best with the new film. I'm looking forward to it. <p>Latauro

  • July 24, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    I think I remember something of that post Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    mentioned. I don't exactly recall the content of the post though.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Looking at it again

    by Lost Jarv

    I think it is the first bit of it that really bugs me.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    And

    by Lost Jarv

    the fact that he answers it himself in the last para.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Masters of Horror

    by Lost Jarv

    was fucking terrible. I felt really excited about it, and then sat through a couple with my heart sinking.

  • July 24, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Series the only good Masters of SciFi `

    by Jonah Echo

    was the one with John Hurt and Brian Dennehy about the mutants who were displaced from Earth for their disease, and then when Earth needed them, they were welcomed back, sort of.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    That TB is funny as hell

    by Lost Jarv

    I was on good form that day. And how often do you get to bitchslap a moderator?

  • July 24, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    MOH was majorly disappointing

    by Jonah Echo

    I think Cigarette Burns was decent, and the On/Off Mountain Road thing was amusing, but every other of the first season was crap. I havent seen all the second season but only The Black Cat really caught my attention. Pro-Life was alright, but not a completely successful story, despite having some real interesting stuff going on under the surface and having Ron Perl"THE" man in it ..

  • July 24, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I'll support anything

    by Series7

    The people on this site do. Just to see what they can do. I've been meaning to watch more Masters of Horror, and I keep fergetting to read Harrys Book.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    9th Gate

    by Lost Jarv

    totally underrated. A pleasant suprise

  • July 24, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Latauro seems really

    by Jonah Echo

    full of himself or something. That X-Files review was only the latest example, and despite what others have said, it wasn't his viewpoint, but how he reached the conclusions and the fact that the review felt worthless to someone who wanted to actually get a sense of the movie and not just hear some treatise on how the secret to a show he barely watched is it's actually CAMP.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    He submits articles and things

    by Lost Jarv

    and is AICN down under.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I liked Cig Burns

    by Series7

    Anyone seen Pro-life? Also there was a movie on Harrys DVD called Inside by a former TB, its worth catching, they got it on netflicks. Its not the french movie.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Wasn't a huge X-Files fan

    by Lost Jarv

    Toombes or whatever it was called scared the fuck out of me, but I sort of lost interest in it. But I knew it wasn't camp, and that review was insulting to any fan of the series.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Danny..

    by Jonah Echo

    He writes for AICN Down-Under and it was his latest X-Files review where he displayed no knowledge of the actual show, and some older Star Trek Insurrection review where he basically called it the perfect Trek movie, or something equally horrifyingly hyperbolic.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Pro Life

    by Lost Jarv

    was actually one of the better ones. It still wasn't great. <P>BTW- if you haven't, check out Mother of Tears. Hysterical awfulness, gratuitous nekkidness, and a finale that is staggering in how lame it is. <P>I really quite enjoyed it, but wouldn't ever consider it to be quality. <P>And it is creepy Dario Argento directing his naked daughter. And the shower scene was just an excuse to show off Asia's assets.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    not that that's a bad thing.

    by Lost Jarv

    If it weren't for the good Mrs. Jarv she would be in with a chance of shagging me. <P>If she asked nicely.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    not that that's a bad thing.

    by Lost Jarv

    If it weren't for the good Mrs. Jarv she would be in with a chance of shagging me. <P>If she asked nicely.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    not that that's a bad thing.

    by Lost Jarv

    If it weren't for the good Mrs. Jarv she would be in with a chance of shagging me. <P>If she asked nicely.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    woah. Triple post

    by Lost Jarv

    I would say sorry, but we need the numbers.

  • July 24, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    I thought

    by Series7

    Ninth Gate sucked? Not a big fan of Roman. Thought the Penisiest was not that good either.