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Moriarty’s Open Letter To Harvey Weinstein Regarding Howard McCain’s Groovy Viking/Alien OUTLANDER!
Dear Harvey...
I’m sorry. That’s too familiar. We’ve only met a handful of times, so perhaps “Mr. Weinstein” is more appropriate. Whatever the case, I’d like a moment of your time this morning to talk about Howard McCain’s OUTLANDER, which The Weinstein Company owns.
I’m not entirely sure you know which film I’m referring to. I know you’ve got a lot on your plate, so let me remind you. Last week, a couple of different trailers for the film showed up online. It’s the movie where Jim Caviezel plays an alien who crashlands on Earth in the time of the Vikings. He brings something called a “Moorwen” with him, a giant dragon-like creature that begins to attack Viking villages and kill everyone. What unfolds is the most fun I’ve had with a lower-budget SF film since PITCH BLACK, and in a lot of ways, this film reminds me of that one.
I’m not sure what you personally think of the film, but let me share with you my reaction, and my thoughts on what kind of audience there is for it. I walked into the film cold. I saw those trailers, but they were terrible quality. And I haven’t been following this one during production. I was aware of it, but I think I had it sort of confused with PATHFINDER at the same time, and when I saw PATHFINDER, I think I was expecting this film, and when it wasn’t, it was confusing and irritating. I guess I just couldn’t imagine two Viking projects in the works at the same time, both about outsiders being taken into a culture. So walking into the screening room to see this film, I was a fairly blank slate. I didn’t have any expectations.
The film starts mid-crash, as Kainan (Caviezel) steers his ship through Earth’s atmosphere, almost completely out of control, finally managing to splash down in a deep lake somewhere in Norway. Sometime around 700 A.D. Kainan manages to salvage a bit of equipment, sets up a homing beacon, and then heads into the woods to explore. Quickly, he finds himself overpowered after an encounter with Wulfric (Jack Huston), a Viking warrior who is next in line to command a village, after the current King, Rothgar (John Hurt).
Wait... did I say “Rothgar”? Why does that sound familiar?
Anyway, there’s some confusion about who Kainan is, and none of the Vikings believe him when he says he’s hunting a dragon. They believe he was behind the slaughter of a neighboring village, something that will be blamed on the. They’re desperate to get a confession out of him, Wulfric left in charge of getting the answers they need. When the head of that now-decimated village, Gunnar (Ron Perlman) returns from a hunting expedition with a handful of his warriors, he mounts an attack on Rothgar’s village. For a while, it looks like the two tribes are going to destroy each other...
... and then Kainan’s “dragon” shows up. And all hell breaks loose. And the movie gets really fun.
Look, Mr. Weinstein, you and I both know nobody’s going to the Oscars for OUTLANDER, but there is an audience for this. It’s a good cast. John Hurt and Ron Perlman and Jim Caviezel and Sophia Myles and this Jack Huston guy who should be due his big break any second. All of them are rock solid in it. And while Perlman isn’t in much of the film, his first scene is stupendous, and every single time he shows up, he is the unavoidable center of attention, ridiculously fun to watch. The film looks great. Director of photography Pierre Gill doesn’t have the most distinguished track record of films, but here, he does lush and stylish on a budget of just north of $30 million. Geoff Zanelli’s score definitely shows the composers roots in the Hans Zimmer factory, but that’s not a bad thing. He’s definitely of that school, but he’s been doing strong work on genre fare like FEAST, DISTURBIA, and HITMAN. With this movie, he’s written a big sweeping action epic score that really pays off some of the big visual moments, like that awesome flashback to the home planet of the Morwens, or in some of the most entertaining character moments, like the game of shields they play. The design work by guys like Iain McCaig and Ryan Church -– big names to the geek community, Mr. Weinstein –- looks like it made it to the screen completely intact, something that’s fairly rare. I mean, how often does a movie actually look like those gorgeous paintings we see from pre-production? This one does. Frequently. For a movie that cost as little as this one did, every dollar looks like it ended up onscreen.
And then there’s the underlying “big idea” of the film, which snuck up on me, and which I have to say I really, really dig. Basically, this is BEOWULF. You can draw a pretty direct connection between the characters in both stories. I mean, like I pointed out above... King Rothgar should be the give-away. But the idea seems to be that this is the “true story” of what happened, and the story BEOWULF is the way it was told over time by people who didn’t know how to describe aliens or space monsters. It’s a subtle thing, and no one in the film ever comes out and says, “And then one day, this story was written down and called BEOWULF!”, but if you’re at all familiar with that story, you’ll recognize it here.
I like that the human interactions are as entertaining as the monster hunting. That’s a big thing for this kind of film. Caviezel’s one of those guys who can be a total stiff in the wrong role, and he’s good here, loosening up as the movie unfolds, which seems appropriate. Sophia Myles is very pretty, but not unrealistic in this setting, and although there’s some romantic tension between her and Wulfric at the start of the film, it never devolves into anything predictable. And speaking of Wulfric... I know Jack Huston is part of “that” Huston family. He’s the grandson to John Huston, the nephew to both Anjelica and Danny, and sure enough, he’s got mad charisma and real chops as an actor. He takes this potentially-silly Viking role and invests it with something real and credible. I hope this is the start of a bigger career for him.
For everyone involved, actually. I spoke with Howard McCain, the co-writer and director of the film, after the screening, and this has been a long labor of love for him trying to get this story onscreen. I’ve known people who struggled for a decade or more to get a film made, and when they did, it just didn’t work for one reason or another, and that’s always sort of heartbreaking. I can tell that McCain has been so invested for so long that he sees all the compromises he’s had to make and all the edits that were made and the things he didn’t get to do, and for him, the film marks this “almost,” a missed opportunity. As someone who came to it fresh, though, I had a great time with it, and I think there’s a real audience for this type of film. It’s like when I saw the first PREDATOR. I expected nothing, honestly, because of that premise, and what I got turned out to be this delicious surprise.
Mr. Weinstein, please don’t dump this movie. Please. 50 screens and then straight to DVD? I know you’re having financial problems right now, and I’m sure your time since leaving Disney has been a strange one. You went from having deeeeeeeep pockets and one of the best marketing machines in the world behind your product to having to do it all yourself again, and that can be a huge, possibly even insurmountable thing to face. But you built your company on equal parts prestige and exploitation, and I think you need to treat the exploitation genre fare with the same care and attention you treat the possible awards bait. Different audiences, sure, and you’re chasing different goals with each, but in the end, isn’t the whole reason you release these films so that they can find their ideal intended audience in the biggest way possible?
50 screens ain’t gonna do it.
We’re coming up on the early fall drought, where genre fare dries up real fast and we’re stuck with one costume drama after another. If you’re shrewd, and if you commit to really selling this thing, you’ve got a window here. Please take a look at the film again. And if it’s not your cup of tea, bring in some filmmakers whose taste you respect who DO understand the geek thing. Screen it for Quentin... for Robert... for Kevin... ask them if I’m crazy, or if this is a really groovy little adventure movie. Ask them for quotes you can put on the poster. Get creative. Take the film to Fantastic Fest in Austin. Hell, see if you can find a spare theater in San Diego this weekend and throw a screening there and watch the crowd react. This could be an easy win for you, or it could turn into just one more case of the Weinsteins buying and then burying a genre film. To use the adline from another genre film this summer, I want to believe that you can tell a good film from a bad film. I want to believe that you would do everything in your power to get people into theaters when you have a movie that’s worth the effort. I want to believe there’s a place in the market for smaller genre fare that doesn’t have a $100 million ad campaign behind it.
Come on, Harvey... right now, all eyes are on you, and there are real questions about how you’ll define your future in this industry. It can’t just be about Oscars every single time. Do the right thing. Treat this film well. I’ll do my part. I’ll tell my readership about it, I’ll tell other webmasters about it. I’ll do what I can to get the word out. But until you decide to release the film where everyone gets a chance to see it, none of that matters.
It’s up to you.
Thanks for your time.
PS -– INGLORIOUS BASTARDS rules. Can’t f’ing wait.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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Hot milk... mmm tweak my nipple
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I watched the trailer on AICN a few days ago and I'd definitely plunk down $8 to see this on the big screen. I like the idea of vikings + aliens, and I'm a big fan of Jim C. (Thin Red Line, anyone?) 50 screens wouldn't do this flick justice.
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So I posted this. Now I'll go finish it.
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well done, mori. that struck just the right tone. hopefully he'll listed and take your advice. not sure this sounds like my cup of tea either. in fac i'd never even heard of it before. but if it provoked such a passionate letter it must be worth it. love the story of beowulf and i really wanna see that standout scene of perlman's... i'm gonna go hunt down a crappy trailer.
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thats all i got to say.moriartys got some cojones. thats great letting your opinion out.
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It needs to be on Blu-Ray, like yesterday. But knowing the Weinsteins, they're probably trying to cut out 30 minutes and replace the Goblin score with Lil' Wayne or something.
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You forgot nipples. cool letter. Haven't heard of this film. Might have to wait until the dvd comes out.
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50 screens, thats it?? Please give Outlander a chance, I told all my friends and family about it as soon as I finished watching its trailer and then they all got excited about it as well. I want to see this movie in a theater.
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I need this movie. Mr. Weinstein should fucking listen. Im in the dirty south. When no one pays attention it us it makes us angry.. Give me the film.. I've got a whole army of people who would embrace this film. The trailer I have shown to my friends, they love it. We want it here.. I'll take it.. I'll screen it some where.. I'd love to mount a viral army for this film.. I believe in it.
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btw, Inglourious Basterds does fucking rule!
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this doesn't go straight to DVD with the way it looks. <br> <br> Jim Caveezel as a lead in an action movie? You're asking for trouble. <br> <br> This might, in fact, be a very good film. But it'll do about as well as Reign of Fire, probably worse, considering the lower level of talent involved. <br> <br> If your goal to make this movie find an audience, then there's nothing wrong with straight to DVD. It seems like the kind of movie I'd rent in a slow Blockbuster week. Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe.
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I'm SERIOUSLY asking (though with admitedly a bit of cynicism)...<br><br>has there EVER been a case in which some one was so blown away by an open letter that they went and pulled a MIRACLE on 34th STREET!?!?
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50 screens and a DVD release costs a lot of money. this is a semi-ok looking movie. Tell you what, you go make your own studio and get your own money to back it up. Then you can put whatever crap you want to on as many screens as possible. The Weinsteins are still in business because they know WTF they are doing- you armchair quarterback nerd...
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This is not the kind of movie that would do well in a cinema, unless its really got something special and unique to it, which judging by the trailer - it doesnt look like it has. It might be ok for a DVD rental but seeing it in the cinema? Nar it might do ok, but i can understand the Weinsteins decision to show it in a limited number of cinemas. If the Weinsteins do give it a wide release and they lose a tonne of money, are you going to pick up the bill Mori?
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(boyscout). The movie looks like great fun as you describe it, and i couldn't agree more with you about respecting it. Some fine actors and design work and concepts in here. What is it with the Weinsteins and the dumping of promising material??
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The guy you're sending this letter to knows how to market a film. I didn't see anything special in the trailer. The acting looked somewhat passable, but the cinematography was weak. This looks like a bad combination/best of compilation for The 13th Warrior, and Shakespeare In Love. Magic Rat's right, films can still, and usually do find their auidences on DVD, now more than ever.
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no. Would she watch it on cable if it comes on? Maybe. <br> <br> That's how you judge a wide release film. would any woman you know be interested in this?
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I've seen the trailer also looks cool. seriously i'd rather watch this compared to unglorious motherfuckers and speed racer. has a preditor vibe that i can't resist!
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Definitely.
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... so when it's FANBOYS, fans will unite sight unseen because "it's about STAR WARS," and they'll organize ridiculous boycotts, but when I publish a simple open letter about a film I've actually seen that I think deserves better than a dump, I'm somehow in the wrong. Innnnnteresting...
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THis is a movie I am excited to see, and want to see it in a nice theater. Please make it happen for us Big W!
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Make it happen. Make it happen. Whatever happened to the small, fun sci-fi flicks anyhow? This looks great.
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jesus christ...if you go that stupid route, not only are you going to bore any talkbacker that's been here more than 2 weeks (since we hear it a lot...I've been here for 8 years, so I'm damn near impervious to it) but you're also just making yourself look like an idiot.<p>using your same completely fallacious logic, couldn't I rag on you for criticizing Mori, since he is doing HIS job, and you are NOT a reviewer or contributor to this site?<p>Mori's job is to critique not just film, but the entire system of film. the machinations and fights, and deals, and all of that...it's not separate from the movies themselves. Mori is taking a movie that he enjoyed (and you know, his opinion may not trump yours, but the fact that millions of people read it on this site, while you're playing Madden says something) and he's championing it.<p>and instead of taking that for what it is, you've gotta be the cool kid and come take a dump on it.<p>well guess what? the coolest kid from my high school is now a valet. when you grow up you'll get it.
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"Shelling out $12 at the theater, though, that's another story. Sign up an A-list actor and maybe." What the hell does THIS mean? If you make THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION - or hell, if you make THE LAST MAN ON EARTH - I don't give a shit who's in it. I'll go. If you make MAMMA MIA I also don't give a shit who's in it - I am not going. Are there really people out there who say, "Wow, that doesn't sound like a movie I want to see - but Tom Cruise is in it, so I guess I'll go." Way to enable a corrupt and debased star system, dude.
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we're a fickle lot
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He wanted us to know he's met Harvey Weinstein.
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But the market is in DVD, not theatres. Unless you can muster up that huge ad campaign, then no one will know about it. The Internet can get you some early buzz, but a lot of that is done after opening weekend. Serenity is a great example. It's BO was crap, but it did huge on DVD. Great word of mouth and Internet buzz, helped with the latter, but the not the former.
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Yeah, fanboys will unite and be stupid over Star Wars. It's called having a built in passionate fanbase. If Outlander's destined to a similar fate, it will find it's core fans on DVD... Where it goes from there is entirely up to the passion it elicits. Look, even if this thing got a wide release, it doesn't look like it has the chops to do anything more than 10 to 15 million in it's first week (if even that). I don't care if that's during the summer, or middle of winter.
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You may want to consider cutting that out of your open letter. There's a pretty good chance that one line is going to turn him from open-minded interest to 'who the fuck is this shitbag nobody to think he can talk to me like this?' <br> it sounds innocuous enough to say, but to be on the receiving end of it, depending on a persons pride, sense of privacy, and general sensitivity to the subject, may not see it as an innocuous sentence.
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This letter will get removed, along with some of our posts about the stupidity used in writing it.
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... I've seen FANBOYS, and guess what? It's not a STAR WARS film. There are no spaceships or real lightsabers in it. It's just a (fairly terrible) comedy that makes a few STAR WARS jokes. So if the "built in passionate fanbase" is that gullible that they'll suck down anything that even passingly MENTIONS something they like, then I guess I give up. Pardon me for suggesting that a new film of actual merit be treated well. How dare I?
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... no. The letter's not going anywhere. And I really don't care if a small vocal minority in talkback doesn't like it. If I did, I would have run screaming from AICN years ago.
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I'm sure it will be fantastic, but viking films don't market well, and usually bomb at the box office. The trailers for this follow the trend, they look completely uninteresting and straight-to-video quality. Again, I'm sure once I saw it, I might love it, but all the rest of the filmgoing public has to go on is the vibe it throws off, and it throws off a pretty mediocre vibe. I think this puppy just needs to find it's cult following on DVD.
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By me. Maybe not by Harvey, er- Mr. I'm In The Poorhouse Weinstein... Way to burn bridges, by the way.
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Whole-heartedly. I've been anticipating this film ever since I stumbled onto it's synopsis like 2 years ago whilst browsing Karl Urban's imdb. He dropped out, but I'm delighted to see that not only did it actually get made but that it recieves glowing praise. Thanks, Mori. Now when it is dumped I'll know to seek out that DVD.
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You've removed stuff before. And what the fuck's been released in the last decade that would give this guy any confidence in putting his already dwindling finances in a movie about vikings and spaceships. I'm not trying to damper your pampers here Mori, hell, I want to see this film, but I'm totally fine no splooging all over myself if that first viewing of it does not come in a thatre.
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with a link is sort of a slap in the face. <P>I'm very interested in seeing this movie and I had no idea it was getting a small release. I'm bummed.
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... so don't sell it as a Viking film. Sell it as PREDATOR. Which is a fine comparison. Or are we now unable to sell monster movies, too? <P>I just don't get this defeatist bullshit. This is why studios only make sequels and remakes, kids, because the moment there's even the slightest challenge in marketing A VERY GOOD MOVIE, it's easier to fold and dump it to DVD than it is to actually try to find the right audience. <P>Bullshit on that.
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I figured out it was Beowulf from the early trailers, similar to the way I figured out WAR (Jet Li, Jason Statham) was just the Count of Monte Cristo.
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... have been the subject of about 20 articles in the past few months from other press, and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Sorry, but that's reality, not a slap in the face. I didn't say it's Harvey's fault... but certainly, they have to be facing some hard choices as a company right now, and this is a finished film that they own that's ready for theatrical release. Wouldn't you think making money off of a movie might be a nice way to help turn things around? <P>Again, pardon me if my ideas seem baffling or revolutionary, or if the mere mention of a fiscal reality is enough to derail the message of the piece.
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It apparently got money and actors to make this genre film so let's not say sequels and remakes are all the studios make, getting it out there now and people aware of it is a totally different game nowadays.
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Alot of the movie was shot in my home province of Newfoundland. I was an extra in a few scenes and spent about a week on set. Howard McCain was a true gentleman and professional and you could tell that this project was his baby. I had a great time on set and i'm hoping I can actually see the finished product on the big screen.
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You see, when you write an open letter to someone making a request, you should not wait until paragraph 12 of 15 to get to the point of it. That's a lot of fucking preamble, dude. I know it's supposed to really be a review under the guise of a letter, so I guess what I'm really saying is that your gimmick failed.
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July 21, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST
Mori, I think it is great that you published an open letter
by toadkillerdog
This is the kind of movie that geeks should be drooling over. The TB's on this site alone concerning this flick have been overflowing with B movie love. dargon, Vikings and Jesus? Oh, My!
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I meant Dragons, Vikings and Jesus. Oh, My!
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Star Wars day, nice. <p> I have to consult my Comic Con panel Excel spreadsheet schedule, I think this might conflict with the Battlestar Panel. Tough decisions. <p> any hot chicks at your panel, Drew?
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producer your mention of fiscal reality might be welcomed. For the Weinsteins (who are histrionic at best and raving loons at worst) would not welcome your suggestions and would put out a smoldering cigar in your eye for even the hint of fallibility.
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Dear Mr. T, <p> You are totally awesome. You are cordially invited to my house for dinner, and then you and I can be best friends. Please bring with you a Mr. T lunchbox, some Mr. T cereal, and the Mr. T mohawk and chains starter kit. <p> Your Pal, <p> Bobo_Vision
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That letter was about as bad as the script of Mori's someone posted on his IMDB page. "Amusing" indeed.
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... I posted an entire screenplay of mine here last week in COAX. You should look that up if you really want to find reasons to take shots at me instead of actually discussing the substance of the article. Oh, wait, you already decided to make this about pissing on me instead of supporting the release of original genre fare. Got it. Never mind.
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So your solution to a movie company that is hurting financially is that they throw away a lot more money on a wide release that looks like the very model of a direct to video junk film. Just because you saw it and liked it doesn't mean anyone else plans to. If it does well in 50 screens they can always expand it. If it tanks and I'd guess it will tank hard because it looks dumb and has little broad appeal with no known actors they won't have risked much and they can make it back on the DVD. Most movies that go direct to video deserve to and this is one of them. Sorry you chose to take a stand for such a shitty looking film but there are definitely worse tragedies in the world. And oh btw Fanboys looks like ass too. So there...
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most of us would do the same thing he did. I sure would. Why not? Goodluck Mori.
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I wasn't pissing on you. I'm sure you're a great dad, and person, and blah blah blah. I'm pissing on your writing, and horrible idea to set ol' Harv straight. YOU'RE not stupid, just the recent things you've done. See ya at the Outlander convention in 20 years!
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I'd see this movie. Is one of those 50 screens in NYC?
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but will Weinstein read it? He's a busy guy... Even Whedon has said that petitions have little effect on studios, and that's with lots of people's signatures. How much effect will one person's letter have I do have to wonder? Not to bag the attempt or anything. Just call me a doubter.
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Where in the hell do you get the huevos to declare OUTLANDER "the very model of a direct to video junk film"? I'm sorry, have you SEEN OUTLANDER? You really feel authoritative making this pronouncement on the basis of a trailer you saw on the web?! Incredible.
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god, here you go again. I thought you were done.<p> "this is why you write about movies and not make them"<p>actually, he has and does write movies. how about you?<p>"throw away a lot more money on a wide release"<p>upping it form 50 theaters is not necessarily a wide release, for god sake. no one is trying to put this on 4000 screens. he's just saying that a little more would help to give it a bump.<p>"little broad appeal with no known actors"<p> sigh...ron perlman is one of the hottest actors out there right now. have you heard of a gigantic film called Hellboy? hard to see through the make-up (and your noodle brain) but he's the lead. jim cavaziel has also headlined movies, and was the LEAD in one of the most controversial and highest grossing films of all time, passion of the christ.<p>"Fanboys looks like ass too. So there..."<p>christ you are dumb, MORI ALREADY SAID HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK IT WAS FUNNY. he used it to make a point.<p>seriously. a valet. someday you'll understand.
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If I don't see this in the theaters, there's a big chance I'll never ever see it on DVD.
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...if you believe in a project and want to get through to suits, go for it. These open letters have gotten attention in the past. Even though Vern's open letter to Fox didn't get them to make the latest Die Hard R-rated, it did get Bruce Willis to start posting here and try to convince people that his movie wasn't going to suck despite the rating. And "Fanboys" won in the end, so if you really believe in the film, I hope this letter gets the ball rolling.
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No. But I got head in the front row of The Grudge.
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July 21, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST
Hmmm, The Beowulf + Predator Connection Really Got My Attention
by cowboyone
Nice job. Lots of compelling points here. I'm on board.
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We both know that Hollywood execs are notoriously stubborn. When they make up their mind about something it's going to take something phenomenal to change it. <p> Even if you get the likes of Moviehole, Comingsoon, IESB etc on board to start actively promoting this film, even if you are able to generate a tremendous buzz online about the film there are four words to remember: Snakes On A Plane. <p> That was a movie that had increbible buzz online and had the studio backing it...and look what happened...nothing. The came and went without as much as a whimper. <p> Outlander doesn't even have the studio backing it. The only semblence of any promotion has come from the two trailers. You may say that Outlander and SOAP are two completely different films, but at their core, they are both designed to be fun popcorn films, the types of film that you just have a great time watching. <p> Believe me, I'd love to see Outlander on the big screen, but Weinstein just isn't going to take the chance based on the words of movie geeks on the internet. <p> That's not to say that generating buzz about the film is a bad idea, quite the opposite. It has to be focused, not on the internet at large, but in real world locations, specifically the 50 places the movie will be shown. The only hope the film has for a wide release is if it consistently sells out those 50 screens.
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What the fuck was Lord of the Rings? It was a viking story with hobbits(representing bored from comfort english folks) getting to tag along for the adventures.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Actually I think I might be the one who got Willis to come here. Back when Stallone did his Rocky Q&A, I asked if he could get Willis to do the same for Die Hard, he said he'd try and what happened? Willis started posting in the run up to the release of Die Hard IV. <p> Though I suppose the general point of these sort of things being able to influence studios holds true, though it's rare. What has been shown though is that talkbackers can't influence the potential audience, as shown by Snakes on a Plane.
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Thanks for the open letter, Moriarty. I am a game producer and nothing is more dissapointing then seeing a great piece of entertainment get shuffled to the bargain bin because it isn't given a chance... because the people holding on to it didn't 'get' it or the audience for it. This film will go on to become a cult classic, but nobody gets to enjoy it where the way it's meant to be enjoyed... on the big screen with a rowdy action fan audience. I still remember having fun with the discount theater crowds watching The Frighteners and Deep Rising and Pitch Black. These films do have a solid audience. Don't open it a week before The Dark Knight and you should do fine.
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This just fell on my radar... I wasnt sure I would even rent it... bad trailers with seemingly predictable storyline. now I dont think I can afford to miss it... the idea of missing out on something cool like Pitch Black all these years is unthinkable.
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it's to make money. No A-list actors and a weird premise for a film = not a lot of money made. <br> <br> A-list actors help sell a film. Is anyone going to want to watch Letterman to see Jim Caveelzel sell this movie? Or Ron Pearlman (as cool as I think he is)? <br> <br> If I'm going to the theater, it's going to be with my girlfriend. very rarely will I go by myself. if I do, it's for something spectaular that she's not interested in (ala The Dark Knight). It won't be for a movie like this, which so far, has nothing in it that seems interesting and doesn't star anyone I particularly trust to make a good movie. <br> <br> But hell, if I saw it for free, like Moriarity did, I might like it a lot too.
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Is still my favorite from this recent Beowulf wave. The vibe I'm getting for this film is somewhere between Dragon Slayer and Reign of Fire, with a dash of I Come in Peace added just for the twisted hell of it. Not quite sure what to make of that kind of vibe, but I'm certainly interested.
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... right about the time they start pushing all the artsy oscar films.
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As a Clive Barker fan, I implore you. Lionsgate is going through a similar "we're bleeding money, so let's fuck over the small non-DTV genre films" phase.
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THE VIKINGS (1958) <p> Kirk Douglas and Tony Curtis rock that shit.
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I thought you were dumb when you said that the Godfather was boring and overrated, but now, man...that crock of meandering babble might be even worse...<p>so the point of movies is to make money and nothing else? the point of investing in bearer bonds is to make money. commercial movies have economic concerns like any other large piece of art, but it is not purely so. <p>and what are you talking about only going to the movies if your girlfriend wants to go. how many movies are there about eating pancakes and bacon? that makes no sense.
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has a genius climax with intestines and fire and a giant head, but i agree that there wasn't enough of the bastards...especially to validate splitting the movie in two. <p> i also felt that the last line in the script was really pushing the lines of ego-maniacal self indulgence, but it was a fun read.
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sorry, that was Batzilla with the Godfather thing. you sound like him, so I was confused.<p>you are only half stupid, I apologize.
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Color me intrigued. I'd usually steer clear of a movie with a leading character named Gunnar, but what the hell ... like Mori said, it's better than a shit sequel/remake.
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at marketing their films. Grindhouse might have had a chance if they bothered to market it at all. It seems to me they are still blaming grindhouse-the-movie for it's failure in theatrical distribution. That grudge seems to be carrying over here I think... I mean why the hell else isn't the theatrical version of grindhouse on DVD yet?
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from a studio head's POV, the point of movies is to make money. <br> <br> that was my point. <br> <br> as for only going to movies with my girlfriend, yeah, it's called having a girlfriend. I'll go by myself on occasion if it's something she doesn't want to see and I do, but we usually go together because we get in for free because she used to work at the local theater.
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How dare you darken the good name of Valets, sir! I shall sick the Valets Union of America(VUoA) upon you. See if anybody carries your bags into a hotel now buster, or makes reservations for you at a good resturant. I think not!
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Personally, I don't know what effect this letter will have, but I am thrilled that someone is out there taking a stand on the movie. And I gotta tell you, it's fun as hell to hear everyone argue about it. So when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. (And THEN if you don't like it, you can all rip us a new one) Thanks, The Writer.
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strong work mori. i'll check out the flick (which prior i thought sounded pretty stupid).
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Like what they did with Control? A movie that no one saw and it should've gotten some noms.
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"when it gets out into theaters, even if it's just 50, I hope you'll all give it a shot. " Only 50 screens almost guarantees that it won't play in my town though, which really frustrates me. But as long as the weinsteins are having it, I doubt there will be enough cash to make the apropriate marketing campagne to make a larger release viable.
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you ain't no Valet!!!<p> I had valet friends in college and it just seemed like they were stuck with it cos they didn't want to work hard enough to be a barback or busboy. and the tips for those jobs were double, and with ZERO risk of getting your shit kicked in for scratching a mercedes...<p>how goes things man? I got my website up and I'm a sneeze away from a book deal for some pieces of my writing, but I hesitate to put it on here for fear of intense ridicule by people who hate...you know...cats?
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If you have a zone account shoot me the info there. oddly enough, I use the same handle there.
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Moriarty, you're 100 percent spot on. This IS a relatively original idea that deserves some support from not only our community, but from the producers themselves...sweet Jesus people...if films like this can't fly we'll be stuck with Legally Blond 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7! Or worse...a trilogy of Sex and the City movies...oh wait...
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Gumbarr and his pony pal, Cokey tooooooo! Come on folks; sing along!
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Mori. give us the dream casting on Ing Bastards. Where does Stallone fit in? What about Willis?
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Sorry, maybe 20 million if they are lucky. Unless they wait another year to put it out and get the hype train rolling. Pitch Black only did about 30 million, it only has a chance at being a sleeper hit.
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Could have fooled me.
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As much as I dislike your writing on this site most of the time, many kudos for writing this article Mori. Albeit I'm not sure the "open letter" thing was the most pertinent way to put it. And like others said, Pitch Black wasn't exactly a smash hit in theaters, more like a video sensation. But I'd see that in theaters, for sure. If only it was released in a theater neer my ass.
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I can't count how many times I've seen a great movie disappear through the cracks due to no studio support/audience and no mountain for me to scream from.<p>THIS is why I love this site. It's from and for passionate, positive film lovers. I'm adding OUTLANDER to my must see list. Sold. IF it ever gets an Australian cinema release...<p>Hey, here's a rather obvious thought - why not do this monthly? Choose one movie that is drowning or possibly gonna drown in cinemas and throw some vocal support behind it. Slap a face or 2. Keep it in the main article area on the left for the whole month. If there aren't any movies drowning in the cinema that month, pick one from a back catalogue of movies that have already dropped through the cracks. I'm positive you will ready, willing and able long-list of volunteers of writers here ready to be heard... <p>Go, Aintitcool News! Go!
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I guess that makes me irregular, huh? Considering the company, I'll take that as a good thing.<P>Just the one 'b' in 'Womb' champ. Thanks for your time.
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Even I found that letter to be Nauseating and patronising.
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I do agree with ya on this site pimping shit that shouldn't be.I think this movie more then others deserves a second looks besides the first crappy trailer and roll your eyes on the basic idea of viking,alien, and monster/dragon being a fun film.
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Weird.<p>No Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Willis crossover plus directed by Quentin fuckin'overrated Tarantino. Meh.
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Inglorious Bastards is a 6/10 script. It was the biggest missed opportunity I have ever read. Great letter , commend your sentiment man.
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That I do admire mori's passion when he gets behind a movie. A lot of what he said in that letter is what I would call "A good thing to do" If there's a good director out there then let's help him out
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... yep. Glad I did it, too. I love SPEED RACER. Saw it twice in IMAX. Love love love it. And you can try to use that as a club against me, but I don't give a fuck. It's a great movie.
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The trailer looks like fun, I hope Weinstein gives the film a chance.
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I got this on dvd tonight because the dvd said there was a different ending and I was stupid enough to think that meant that there was a chance that there might have been more fleshing out of the bad guy... maybe a bit more backstory or possibly something remotely close to a climax for the film. If this shit of a movie can get a wide release by selling it as a film by the ID4 dude... then fuck... Moriarty is right about Outlander... throw a name in the mix that has box office draw... add someone as a producer so you can say it's from the producer of such and such film... Outlander has more going for it in the trailer then 10,000 BC has in the entire waste of time film. I'm personally tired of the sharp but small sci-fi/fantasy films being flushed down the direct to dvd toilet. And I second the Beowulf and Grendel love. Saw it in Seattle in one of the handful of showings and loved it. I saw it because I liked Butler from Timeline(the only thing good about that movie). There's a film that deserved being direct to dvd instead of Beowulf and Grendel.
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its amazing how quick some fanboys are to eat their young, meaning the subject matter they purportedly love (um... 80's style sci-fi, dragons, Vikings). If Outlander was a neglected child instead of a neglected movie would you beat it to death to make yourself feel better?
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then I think there should be an alternate site for amateur scared-shitless wannabe producers who run at the first sign of a marketing challenge. Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions. Congratulations.
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If this gets dumped on DVD, as being in NZ I'll never get to see it theatrically. At least in 50 theatres some of you will get that privelege.
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My sign off line was in direct reference to the massive love this site gave to Speed Racer so nice catch. You're incredible. I will speak of you to all my friends. Speed Racer, a love I also share.<p>Also to reiterate - I wasn't talking about a general DVD column or masses of positive reviews/articles - I think the realisation of a monthly dedicated feature article spotlighting one particular struggling "good" film would be awesome. Every once in a while Harry will post a help 'Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang' and you've got Mori's effort here so what harm can come from making the love consistent? This sort of shit is happening so often with studios or the audiences, I believe it could actually do well. After all, if there is one thing that the most genuine film lovers appreciate, it's a good underdog story!<p>Think of it as the aintitcool.com equivalent of the period but, you know, you don't want to skip it .... but it will always probably be late.
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This looks like a great piece of genre shlock that will inevitably die on its arse. However, in 20 years time there will be the next generation of TB-er's raving about it and wondering why it fell off the radar. Fuck's sake- even The Thing was a flop. This has no real backing, no marketing, and there is no belief in it. Therefore it will fail, and the open letter pointing out what is good about it is a good idea.<P>And yet, you fucking accountants in training crawl out of the woodwork every time with your pathetic psuedo FT bleating about money (as if any of you cunts have shares in the studio), and berating the author for pointing out the fucking obvious. Haven't you got paperclips to count?
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actually, as much as we may hate to admit it we're a niche market. Therefore to pick one project a month and give it this treatment is a cracking idea.
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one of you bastards that spouts off box office figures or other suchlikes. From Jofex: <P>"Besides shame on you terds for thinking like studios instead of devotees of cinema. And to say "I'd dump it because I can think like a studio and they always make stupid decisions" means... you can make stupid decisions" <P>Read and remember, arseholes.
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Great idea. A spotlight feature would be awesome. And Mori, great article. Agreed on all fronts. You're becoming quite the literati lately.
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That paragraph about accountants in training had me rolling man.<p> I agree with with the first paragraph you wrote in that post. This looks like fun schlock, fun at the theaters and beer with friends afterwards, fun as a rental with pizza and beer type of movie(Man I'm dying for a pizza and beer right right now).<p>Those posters really are as you stated, "humorless wankers" indeed. Most of them must have been given a transfusion of M-O-M blood.
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Just out of curiosity and sheer boredom, just how much sand do you have jammed in your box? Or is the tampon just overly full and chaffing?<p>What exactly is the problem you have with a somewhat original movie that's not a sequel, a remake, retread, "reimaging" of a 70's or 80's TV show. BTW Hollywood where's the reimaging of BJ and The Bear?<p> Are you afraid that you might have 90 minutes of fun and enjoyment? It's alright buddy to have fun at the movies, after all, its entertainment nothing more.
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...And why the hell shouldn't Mori get behind it with an open letter? Just 'cos it's more of a gesture than an active move on his part doesn't render it pointless or useless. It's obvious he has PASSION for this movie - he wants it to do well, and wants the Weinsteins to know too. Why is that a fucking bad thing?<P> Now GONE - THAT was a bad thing. Truck fuck girl!<P> I still don't know why the buzz for non-Star Wars Star Wars movies is all about this FANBOYS and yet I hear fuck all about 5-25-77. From what I hear, 5-25-77 > FANBOYS to the Nth degree. Mori - your next assignment is to get behind 5-25-77, get some steam up for Patrick Read Johnson and help get that fucking classic out there on the big screen! I mean... after OUTLANDER, of course.<P> Weinsteins - there's a fucking HUGE market in the UK for pizza-and-beer late-night-Saturday movies. PLEEEEEEASE do not dump this on DVD. You have no idea how many times I'd go catch this on a big screen - and bring all my mates along in a longboat, just for shits and giggles >:D
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It's a movie with Vikings and aliens in it. That turns out to be the legend of Beowulf (I think). WHY is that not entertaining?<P> Y'know, respecting your right to like what you like and all that, but... how do you NOT enjoy a movie with vikings and aliens? That trailer alone pisses on the entire ouevre of Platinum Dunes movies. But then, the gigantic bog otter I set free this morning tops Platinum Dunes' entire slate, so...
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Hold on. AMERICAN FUCKING IDOL?!?!?!?<P> Tell me you're being ironic, 'cos that shit does NOT compute.
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... would it make you feel better if I told you that I thought PATHFINDER was a fucking miserable way to spend an afternoon? OUTLANDER is no PATHFINDER.
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... I've never used the phrase "turn your brain off" once. I think OUTLANDER has good writing, solid characterization, and it all pays off in a very satisfying way. It's not a "turn your brain off" movie at all. That's the point. That's why I would like to see it treated well.
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Sorry dude, you missed my point. <P>Basically, I was saying that the article itself publicising the film is a good thing. I personally don't especially give a monkey's if the Weinsteins release it on 1 screen or 10,000. But to come on here and slate the article while wittering about money is fucking tiresome. It isn't about the fucking money- many of my favourite films were commercial disasters, and many of my most hated were tremendously successful.
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... "this director's previous work"? What previous work? The two TV movies listed on IMDb that are over a decade old? <P>Are you seriously telling me that (A) you saw both of those and (B) you remember them in vivid enough detail to proclaim this film unfit because of McCain's work in them? <P>Look, man, if you don't want to see the film, don't, but what's the gag? Is the talkback handle a shtick you have to live up to?
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Even Doomsday. <P>
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... didn't much like that one, either. But so what? I still liked THIS one, and that's the point. THIS ONE is good, and I'd hate to see it get dumped. If I give up on all genre films just because I don't like one or two or ten of them, then what's the point?
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How's things? <P>And furthermore Whiny- I wasn't thinking about Vikings per se, but about shlock. There has been a huge amount of TB's recently with groups of people reminiscing about it- 20 years time there will be the same. <P>As I said above, we are (as much as we may hate to admit it) a niche market, and an article from our (arguably) leading site putting the spotlight on these kind of films once a month would be great.
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I must admit, it's the kind of thing I'd rather watch on DVD with some friends and a few beers, but I'm happy for Mori to push it in whatever way might help it. Dragons, aliens, vikings - how can it not be good? Of course, I had a similar response when I heard about Gingerdead Man (A magical murderous biscuit - how can it not be good?) and that one turned out to be sweaty ass.
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If you add spaces between Y & N and E & B, WhinyNegativeBitch actually spells out the words 'Whiny-Negative-Bitch'! Holy hairy huge donkey balls - what a hilarious, fitting accident! And if your add up every single one of his posts in this here talkback, while he has EASILY written the most, he has NOTHING to say. This is change the sheets stuff we are uncovering here! You've been exposed, WhinyNegativeBitch. We found you out. It took us a while but the evidence is in your handle, "topics" and "statements". Just think, if you hadn't have dribbled on for 15,682 posts, we may never have known the truth hidden behind a cascade of clever contradictions and slight of hand. Maybe switch your calling card to "RantingUnsureWimp" and start afresh. Maybe. Eh? Give it a shot? For old times sake?
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getthefuckouttahere.
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That game was great. This, however, sounds monumentally retarded. Play it for camp / sleaze / exploitation and it might work though.
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OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous torture porn out of it heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?
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July 22, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST
Jim Caviezel Has The Same Initials As Jesus Christ! (Edit)
by LaserPants
OMFG! They should cast him in a gratuitous homoerotic torture porn with heavily anti-semetic overtones, making it the first religious porn / neo nazi propaganda film! I wonder who could direct such a thing... hmm... Leni Riefenstahl? No, she's dead (I think) and wants to distance herself from her Nazi past... hmm... Any ideas?
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..they weren't that bad were they?
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You assume that such promotion is a given, but it isn't. That's why a spotlight article as a regular feature would be good.
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Dear Drew, <p> Good on you for writing this, and thanks for the entertaining approach. Clearly this is both a shout to anyone who will listen, but it's also a review telling the geek brethren here to perk up their ears and pay attention. <p> You are utlizing this site in one of the ways that is most satisfying and interesting, as a way to help those movies that deserve a chance. <p> Me, Im elated to hear it deserves a chance. I've gone to see second tier potential trash I'd never heard of on your reccomendation alone-two instances come to mind. One was Pitch Black. Went with my dad and we both loved it. Later, in 2002, when snow closed the college I attended, I noticed a mystery movie with no reviews or previews had showed up at the local theater. Equilibrium. I looked it up, and sure enough you had a review. Went to it with a few other guys who thought I was crazy and dreamed it was even showing. They all thanked me after the fact. <p> Point is, what you are doing is good, and encouraging. I wanted to see someone here at AICN step-up and try to help get this thing seen(I advocated that very thing in the last Outlander talkback) and it's good to hear it's worthy of being seen. <p> Open letter to AICN guys: <P> Let's rally around Mori on this one. Let's keep the talback going, and lets add our voices as people who want to see this film, whatever it turns out to be, and preferrably in the theater. <p>
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did you see X-Files 2 yet? I want to hear your review if you did. Latauro's seemed like he went in with the wrong mindset. I've heard other positives, so I want some perspective here.
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Thank you for making my point. In that post, without prompting, you segued to CNN, McDonalds and The Descent without once eluding to an actual relevant point. Not that I'm not grateful to waste minutes until sleep but, I guess my point is, does somebody like you know when they are insane, as you clearly are? Like, would you reread your ramblings from top to bottom of this TB and stop and think "Wow, it is amazing how fucking crazy I really am!"?<p>I know this comes off as a personal attack, but seriously, nothing you have posted here is consistent with anything preceding it or even in line with the point of the article. It's the ravings of a mad man. If you have a valid reason for interceding here, fine, but all you have done is detract and abuse without apparent motive.<p>But thank you again for killing time until z town, populations z.
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They're great. <p>Even if that portuguese pillock does keep pitching up and ruining them
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July 22, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST
Yes, it obviously is "Beowulf", but that may not be...
by Stalin vs Predator
...the best thing to say to a studio executive, considering that Crichton and McTiernan had already tried rewriting/refilming "Beowulf" as "Eaters/13th Warrior", and while it was an excellent film, it isn't viewed as such by studio executives, and so the concept isn't fondly remembered by them...<p><p>(Well, the saving thing might be the fact that they don't know it was a retelling of Beowulf, either)
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Try reading Down and Dirty Pictures, its about Miramax and Sundance. They have destroyed many film makers fruits of labor. I am sorry to say this open letter is beyond futile, if anything it will only aggravate the Weinsteins. It would be great if the Weinsteins treated every movie with respect, but not every movie can or even should get a wide release. Ultimately we'll only be able to judge this after seeing the film, it looks cool, but also understandable studio heads would be inclined to think it will bomb on screen.
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It seems like that. But hey, I can understand you. I'm on your side! Can'T wait to see it. Maybe it gets a better treatment in europe (although it will probably strong cut in Germany. Even Iron Man and Hulk were :P)
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They get some sick glee (and part of your soul) when you respond to them
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I don't know why he or anyone else would have a problem with Drew posting a letter they sent to a studio head, especially for a movie that's been given a limited release.<p>I remember walking into Dark City having not seen a trailer, article or review for it. I liked the poster outside the theater, my friend and I were intrigued and we walked in not knowing what the movie was about or who was in it. Two hours later I walked out of the theater and asked my friend, "What just happened?" I couldn't register the perfection I had just witnessed up on the screen without any advance knowledge of it. Outlander might not be Dark City, but I get the feeling it deserves a fighting chance to be more than a cult favorite.
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Had much the same experience with Dark City. In fact my dad and I were so psyched by how good it was, we stopped at the second run theater on the way home to catch another movie, and picked another we hadnt heard of before. Gattaca. And it too was awesome.
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it deserves, my dad and I will be there opening night for it.
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it's getting hard to do that in the UK. <P>Last film I managed it with was Dog Soldiers. Which rocks. And I don't care what you think WNB. It rocks.
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Two different movies but once again, two movies that got zero support from the studio, both of which I walked into knowing next to nothing about and walked out feeling blindsided by how awesome they were.
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actually felt secure in his open letter statements, he wouldn't be defending them so angrily right now. Harry doesn't usually do this, because he lives in a fantasy land and just doesn't care. Mori however gets pissed because he sometimes realizes when he's made a ass of himself. Sorry, MAESTRO, but it's true.
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No, but I got a hummer in the front row during an afternoon screening of Jean-Claude Van Damme's "Sudden Death." Is that close?
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search your yadda yadda.
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I remember seeing a Helen Mirren film called The Hawk. Which wasn't great.
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Good open letter dude. I'm with you on that. Keep up the good work Mori. <p> Jarv, it has been a while dude.
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Jarv, any help with that story?
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Give me a minute....
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they wouldn't tell him where to find the clown, he pushed them off a second storey fire rail.
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but can probably be relied on: <P>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1037174/Batman-star-Christian-Bale-arrested-assault-claims-brought-mother-sister.html
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From The Scum:<P>http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1453926.ece
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It's been an excuse for the hacks to wheel out the old 60's batman gags: <P>Holy Punch Up, Batman!
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Well, that will guarantee a bigger box office - bad boys always draw!
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http://tinyurl.com/5lk9ul
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To begin with- why would they go to Hampshire when it happened in Central London? That's daft. I suspect they are being a pair of money grubbing slags.
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Tinyurl is my friend. I just couldn't be arsed.
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paying a bit more so me and Mrs Jarv can have a sofa and Waitress to bring me beer.
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whoops.. <P> john connor :- sisterminator.
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That is a perfect setting. A couch and a brew. Those types of theatres are sprouting up around the U.S. now.
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It only costs £10 <p>It's in a far nicer bit of London than the one we normally go to- so less chavs <P>It's clean. <P>None of these things you can say about Camden Odeon, where the tenner saved actually results in 2 uncomfortable people in a bad mood due to mobile phone plague, dirty bastards, and the fact that we've been sitting in a bin. <P>It generally doesn't show what we want to see though, this is the exception.
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Changing the subject - yet again -because that is what Changian's do! I watched a back-to-back Tony Jaa. Ong-Bak and Tom Yum Goong. Wow! It was like dropping acid after snorting two lines of coke and drinking a snapple! <p> Yes, I saw them before, but not back-to-back, Someone should have warned me of Tony Jaa overdose!
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It's called ManLand and it's above my garage. And Newcastle, Corona and Guinness are always on tap.<p>Seriously, I wish my local theaters had amenities like this and didn't require a police presence at night to break up the ruffians.
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You will get them soon enough a chain of theatres like that is slowly rolling out here.
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I watched Tom Yum Goong again two weeks ago. I was sloshed by the time he made his way up the spiral staircase but I see something new everytime I watch it.
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Luxury. Pah.<P> At least we've got more than one telly so she can bugger off into the other room. She does bring beer though. Albeit a touch ungraciously.
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and to be honest, I think they are totally worth the few quid more. <P>I still wouldn't see Speed Racer, even if the cinema provided me with a blow job and enough cocaine to floor Oasis.
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My faviorite scene in Ong-Bak - besides the obligatory love that the flaming leg kicks gets, is the first fight scene. When he just destroys the dude with one thigh smash across the chest, and he just looks like it was absolutely nothing. The crowd is just stunned. I love that scene.
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Although, really, I struggle to pick a favourite. <P>Mrs Jarv is not a fan of Martial Arts movies. She's starting to like schlock and loves horror, but draws the line at "grown men pretending to beat each other up". Mystifyingly, she gets a bit shitty when I pointed out that Atonement, was "Grown men pretending to be from the early part of the 20th century".
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Yes, I know it is more operatic than ass-kicking, but there are some great wire scenes in it, that could be used to ease Mrs. Jarv into the genre. If nothing else, maybe the tissue factor will get you some lovin. It worked for me!
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But unfortunately I fucking despise that overrated angst fest. So I can't sit through it again.
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Does anyone honestly give a shit about that X-Files movie? <P>What little interest I had has been killed when I found out that Billy "Scottish Steve Martin (used to be funny in the 80's- now appears in dreck)" Connoly was in it.
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Although if you do not like Tiger you might not like that one either. Still, the tissue factor is very high and women just respond.
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And I managed to get her through house of the flying daggers. But she starts to talk bollocks about the use of colour. And therefore misses the point.
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Is it just the sight of grown men beating each other up without an engaging story around it or she just plain doesn't like the kicking and the punching and the biting and the "Oy, that shattered leg is going to hurt in the morning"? Because the latter can be rectified as Hong Kong does put out the occassional movie with style and substance.<p>My own private movie theater is upstairs in the bonus room but that room is the only room upstairs and it just so happens it's above the garage which is fortunate as the room isn't soundproofed.
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Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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I only ever saw one episode of the show and rented the movie because I was bored and had seen everything else on the shelf.<p>That was what, 9 years ago? I think they waited too long and the fan support just isn't there anymore. This isn't Indy where 19 years later people are still chomping at the bit for a new movie. It's friggin X-Files. I don't know why they bothered.
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Why get in a hub-bub over what Mori wrote? How does it impact you at all? I probably won't see it in the theater...probably...but I'll definitely watch that puppy on DVD. <p>Doomsday won't be available til the end of the month.
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Much better than I expected it to be. It had a real storyline, that only occasionally erupted into fight scenes. Still it was much better than City of Violence. That was very boring. HOD I need more recomendations.
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I'm against wire-fu when it's supposed to be a martial arts movie. <p>Tony Jaa...Donnie Yen...that's what I'm talking about.
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She's got some kind of mental block (A la Memories) where she thinks that quality needs to exist on some artistic level unless it's pure schlock garbage. <P>Hence liking Flying Daggers, Hero, and Crouching Tiger, but hating more visceral stuff. <P>It's very annoying, frankly.
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Damn, someone round up Abom, and Doc, and lets turn this into a serious Changian TB!
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My next one up will be Flash Point, per Mr. Hawaiian.
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In all honesty she was quite open to them until I made the mistake of putting on Romeo Must Die. Since then she's been really, really anti them
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The alley fight scene in Kill Zone...nothing in those wire-fu movies can remotely compare to that bad-assery.
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and Abom has been sighted in TDK TB. Which I'm staying out of.
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Should have had that one be the one that put her off on them.
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but Romeo has the X-Ray gimmick. <P>Which is cool.
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July 22, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST
unfortunately my wife figured out the netflix password
by just pillow talk
So next up are (fuck me) No Reservations and The Other Boyleyn Girl. Such a missed opportunity there with a nice lesbian scene...<p>Sunshine will follow, but it matters not right now since my summer class is playing ping pong with my balls right now.
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I was burned on City of Violence so I want a solid recomendation before I get Flashpoint.
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If it's shit, it is...but I must take the journey.
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Awful. Go out to the pub and let her watch it. Or take Pillowling down the park. <P>Honestly, I can't stress this enough. Hideous, hideous, turgid poorly acted, miscast boring piece of crap.
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to view in my next go-around of movies. <p>Think I need to see the pony-tail in action.
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Lovefilm bumped City of Men off and replaced it with this. Is it any good?<P>And they bumped The Car down the list, but replaced that with Exorcist 3 so I'm not too upset on that one.
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I have not seen that one. I have heard bad things about it as well.
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It was not the chaotic mess I had hoped for...just a bland movie..not even any funny kills. The only thing that made me chuckle was the blind seer they had tucked underneath the floor in a city holding cell. They took him out...he said a few things...guards were coming back, so they tucked him underneath the floor again.
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than watch a movie. <p>Governmental Accounting never sounded so...er....good?
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Jarv, Lives of Others is a phenomenal film. I was originally indignant when it won best foreign oscar over Pan's Labyrinth, but when I finally saw it I understood. It's really something special. And it's better than City of Men(which was good, but not THAT good). <p> And Exorcist 3 is brilliant just because it has George C. Scott barking irritatedly at Satan. Geez, I love that movie.
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Following that money link in the letter...why did I not know about a Houdini movie starring Guy Pearce? That alone sounds brilliant. <br><br> Good for you standing up for what you believe in Moriarty. The marketing system in films needs to be re-created as the current format is less then ideal.
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Did you see Invisible Target yet? If not, that should be number one on your list. Sorry about CoV. It started off slow and had trouble keeping my attention at times but that knife fight at the end was a great payoff. However, I can totally see where you're coming from.<p>You won't get burned with Invisible Target though (has ANYONE seen it?) as people are blown away while the opening credits are still rolling.<p>Flash Point is a mixed bag. Some very good fight scenes and an actual story but I found the story muddled as hell so I was disappointed and have trouble recommending it beyond the third act.<p>I've heard good things about The Lives of Others.<p>
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Brought me a copy of Doomsday that looks......er......pirated. I'm thinking of bringing a bottle of rum upstairs and watching that tonight.
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Exorcist 3 also has one of the biggest 'jump' scenes I have ever winessed. I dropped my drink when I saw it. You know the one I'm talking about in the hospital...
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Admittedly COM was picked because of City of God.
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Indeed it's a fantastic film with a great twist at the end. I personally would say Pan's Labyrinth is better but both are phenomenal.
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July 22, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST
I've moved up Invisible Target in Flashpoint's place
by just pillow talk
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but it pisses me off that Lovefilm arbitrarily takes off mine and the missus' selections for what they think we want to watch. <P>If this was the first time I'd be OK, but they swapped in Ordinary People. I sat through it and fucking hated every boring second. <P>I did enjoy Amadeus last weekend, though.
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absolutely requires Alcohol. Stupid mess does not even begin to describe it. <P>I totally enjoyed it, though. <P>HAving said this, Rhona Mitra is a complete fucking talent vacuum, and hopelessly miscast. She is very easy on the eye though.
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Thanks dude. Yes, the ending scene of CoV was almost worth slogging through the rest of the movie. Hell, just watch that sceen and forget the rest of the movie!
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the shitheels have still not got Army of Darkness.
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Fred not like it.
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but I could understand how it won over Pan's. Unlike other choices the Academy makes, where you sit there, just amazed. Crash over any of those other movies for example.
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July 22, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST
Fred just watched Army of Darkness on Free movie channel
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Fred enjoyed that. Fred enjoyed Bubba HoTep too.
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Will this TB turn into another B movie love-a-thon?
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and Ron Perlman masks(and some dress as Jesus for good measure) and unite outside the Weinstein offices demanding the release of Outlander?
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There's been an overabundance of stupidity around here recently. The latest piece is Harry (himself) thinking that I Know What You Did Last Summer is better than Scream- and a load of morons crawled out from under their rocks to agree with him. <P>This shit is maddening, even if you take into account all the flaws in Scream, it was still an important piece of cinema. Does no-one remember the state of Horror before it? <P>In fact, looking at the current state of horror, we could almost do with another one.
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That argumant is as stale as day old bread. Besides only latently racist assholes with no taste hated Crash.
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the hurt mask debacle.
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Im just pointing out I personally didnt think it was as good as the other choices. I didnt even say anything negative about it, except it was out of it's league. I think that is acceptable.
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what I meant is that Scream neatly killed off all the tired conventions that were in every fucking movie before it. It was a genuinly good film, albeit one that hasn't aged well. <P>I don't blame Scream for it's sequels, or knock offs (IKWYDLS, Cherry Falls, Valentine, and so forth)
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You've got to be kidding me? WTF? Ignorance is rampant on this site lately isn't it?
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I was just teasing.
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Now there's a movie that deserves more love. Me and the mates were laughing like fiends from beginning to end. I should dust it off this week.<p>An online rental service that removes your choices for their own doesn't seen right to me. The first time they did that, I'd drop a steaming dump in their envelope and send the movie back.
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What made Scream so important? It not seem that much to Fred?
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As much as I didn't like it- I think it is probably the best film of those nominated that year- Brokeback Mountain bored me to tears, Munich is heavily flawed, Capote overrated, and I haven't seen Good Night and Good Luck. <P>It isn't better than Tsotsi though, but that was foriegn language.
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Brokeback was EXTREMELY overrated. It should have gone to Capote.
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July 22, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST
I saw scream for the first time on cable a few years ago
by toadkillerdog
I am not a Teen horror flick afficiando, so it did nothing for me. I did chuckle a few times though.
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Scream was important because of the state of horror before it. <P>The late eighties/ early nineties were not good times for the horror movie. All that came out were tired, shitey, derivative slasher movies (really, halloween has a lot to answer for). The postmodern structure of scream, although it became tiresome very fucking quickly, gave them an opportunity to basically deconstruct and debunk all the conventions. And they took it brilliantly. At the time, Scream felt fresh, funny, innovative. <P>Now it feels trite and hackneyed due to the endless imitations. But it really was a watershed movie.
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And I wish harm on anyone who says that elitist bullshit Infamous was the better film.
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Now, it aint so much. Back then? It was a very, very good fucking thing.
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the same league. I skip over them and think of Munich, Capote and Good Night, all of which I quite liked. But hey, Im the freak that would have nominated King Kong if you let me.
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but the central performance was almost as good as Hoffman's.
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the nomination list was suprisingly poor. <P>It's almost as bad as when Million Dollar Baby won. No way in fuck was that the best film. And don't get me started on Forrest Gump/ Titanic etc. You can do this all day.
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Word.
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From the get-go of two black men brazenly robbing a rich white couple on a CROWDED city street and then ending with an Asian man rear-ending a black woman who tells him to speak "American." To me they were defeating the purpose with that heavy-handed, ham-fisted B.S. And with everyone bumping into each other all the time, they should have called the movie Coincidence.<p>I Know What You Did had one thing and one thing only worth nothing and we all know they should have been freed from those tight t-shirts.
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sheesh, what a crap shortlist that was: Departed, The Queen (overrated- and fisticuffs with anyone that says otherwise, Little Miss Sunshine, Babel, and Letters From Iwo Jima- which should have won)
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Saw Scream and liked some things about it, and thought it was o.k. Saw IKWYDLS and thought, crap, someone managed to botch the hook killer story. How? <p> And here is the part where I say something that questions all I have ever said before. <p> My fave of the teen slasher/horror films from the late 90s was...Urban Legend. I kid you not. I loved that POS. So earnest, and so wacky, and yet the technical credits are good, the college kids all look like they are 30, and it has quite a collection of horror icons. Gotta love any movie where Robert Englund, Jeffrey Combs, and Brad Dourif are innocent and *SPOILER* Rebecca Gayheart is the killer. <p> God Bless Urban Legend.
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surely?
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but it owes an awful fucking lot to Scream. It could almost have been called Scream 2 1/2
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That movie was a damned masterpiece. Should have won.
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I think I'm the only person on the planet that has seen this, and the delightful Ms Gayheart (who makes me happy in the pants, and I don't know why) only has a cameo.
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Of course take that with a grain of salt.
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when have the Academy ever given it to the right film? I struggle to think of one winner that you can absolutely say was the best film of it's year.
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That gets my vote.
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I agree, but it wasn't so hip and self aware. I agree that making some self aware caused others to reexamine the genre, but I've always loved it more when those actors and writers at least appear to think they making some great and watching it spin witlessly out of control. I agree UL is the dumb cousin of the brainy smarmy Scream. But when growing up I had a braniac cousin who loved to try and write poems, and come over to our house and read, or point out the futility of everything you would say. IT WAS NO FUN. The dumb cousin loved to get us to ride four wheelers through the woods, each of us carrying a bb gun to try and pick the other one off with. That was fun. I think you see the poin. Or my childhood was nuts.
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Has some redeeming features- (The audience knows from the start the holiday is bullshit, because the 2 cretins didn't know the capital of Brasil). But the white Rasta kid makes me want to throw the telly out the window.
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yes, but we talk about Shlock endlessly- and fucking none of it is ever a slasher pick from before Scream. <P>Now it comes across as smug and overly pleased with itself, but at the time it was totally necessary.
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I know will there be those that disagree, but correct best film(at least out of the choices): <p> Return of the King <p> ok...Im done.
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had Alicia Witt and a completely pointless (even more so than usual) Jared Leto.
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Outlander sounds like the Beowulf movie I want to see. The 3D flick out last year was good, but this movie just sounds cool as hell. As for the Weinsteins...they're probably every bit the whack jobs portrayed in the book "Down And Dirty Pictures". If they actually knew what they were doing, and didn't trash everyone around them, they would own Disney and or whatever they wanted. "Rounders" is a good example...Matt Damon was hot after "Good Will Hunting" but Miramax failed to market "Rounders" and AMAZINGLY, it didn't have a strong box office. And yet, it's on cable every week and I routinely get into doing John Malkovich dialogue while playing poker at the casino. Bottom line...the letter is dead on. Good job, man.
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July 22, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST
I know there are positive reviews on the DVD box
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
But I'm beginning to think I'm the only person on the planet that was floored by Munich. It had more than a few flaws but Spielberg showed he's master in more than a few scenes. It wasn't the best movie that year but it's my favorite by far of the films nominated.<p>And Capote was fantastic. Between Hoffman and the guy who played the killer he was interviewing I was in awe.
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Well they did give it to Return of the King, which felt justified, but Master and Commander deserved to win for sure.
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yea, that's what I said. It was necessary, but it wasn't persay fun. For example, the smart cousin was far more useful in the long run, once I actually contemplated the fact I might live past 16 and need to do something wothwhile. <p> Also, there was a ton of schlock that predated Scream that was very similar. There is even an 80s attempt to do the same thing as Scream. It was called Student Bodies, and if you see it, then you have an appreciation for Scream and how well it handled the whole thing. Me, I actually preferred Scream 2. Thought the characters were better.
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Return of The King won because Fellowship, which should have, didn't. Off that year's list it should have been Master and Commander
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It blew my mind that wasn't a top five movie at the box office. I didn't really know about it until it was on VHS and DVD. <p> It was worth just to see Malcovich say "Mr. Son of Beech...I stick it to you."
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maybe, but I think ROTK was a slightly better movie than M&C. Barely matters. Both were excellent. And we all know that League of Extraordinary Gentleman should have won every award for anything ever that year.
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and it is ahead of it's time. If Scream had been made at the same time, it would have also fallen off the radar. <P>Basically, it's folly to say in any way shape or form that Last Summer is better. <P>Scream had a young Rose McGowan crushed in a garage door- which is still one of my favourite deaths.
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That was the right choice for sure.
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again, though, that wasn't a great list. REally, the Best Film in any fucking language released that year was City of God.<P>The Academy sucks. Frankly.
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How the fuck did A few Good Men get on that list?
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Thank god, because I was so worried that they might give it to Saving Private Ryan.<p> Dear God I am very much joking of course.<p> Actually it hurt to write that even in jest.
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Definitely the best that year but it was not eligible becasue of some bullshit loophole if I recall. either that or Brazil shafted it becasue of it's perceived negative depiction of Rio.
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Was 15 years ago. Incredibly enough, they got it right two years in a row with Unforgiven and Schindler's. Since then, only Gladiator and Return of the King haven't bothered me but they were NOT the best films either year.
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lets get back to b-movies and little movies that could. <p> Speaking of which, any fans of the original Trancers here? The movie before all the crummy sequels? It had Tim Thomerson and a young Helen Hunt. A fun sci-fi movie that sadly never truly got the props it deserved.
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that Silence of The Lambs is way overrated and should not have won, but I've just looked at the other nominees which, aside from Beauty and The Beast, were drivel. <P>But there were better films from that year not nominated
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That naked Scanner bird that takes the psycho pills to control her headache was awesome.
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there are always better movies nominated. Incidentally, I think this year mostly did well with nominating both No Country and There Will Be Blood. In fact, if we could have traded out Michael Clayton for Jesse James, it would have been a great representation of the year, I think.
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that Masters I got in English Literature was stroked like a cat by that film- Webster torturing mice etc. <P>If ever there's a smug over-educated film, it's that one.
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there are always better movies that are NOT nominated
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and it's a fucking scandal that none of the Scanners films have been looked at. They're all good. <P>I kind of think Cronenburg was a bit robbed with Eastern Promises this year. And Fincher was absolutely snubbed with Zodiac.
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It has needed to be after years of fucking horrible shite.
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that got it right? Maybe some people aren't so familiar with? Obviously we all know Pitch Black and Terminator. <p> One I rather liked a bit from recent years was The Final Cut. Anyone agree?
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Who played Aunt Rachel in Family Matters. She is also the female voice that shouts 'Shut yo mouth' in the Shaft theme song.<p> Thought I would throw that out there.
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There was not a single film nominated that was ever remotely the best film of the year. Looking at that list makes me cut myself.
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Wonder why. <P>This is fucking ironic- shlock TB regulars discussing high-brow entertainment.
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ZODIAC!!! That was true blue robbery. Zodiac was amazing, and gets moreso each time I see it.
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are both better than every film on the best film list. Fucking horrible. The Aviator especially. <P>Of that list, as shit as it is, Million Dollar Baby probably is the best.
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Great fucking movie.
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the reason, and it touches upon what Mori discusses above, is that what you have here aren't just schlock lovers, but movie lovers. Sometimes you will be surprised by the people who would go see Shakespeare in Love, and then duck back in to go check out The Faculty, or vice versa. <p> Also, did it ever dawn on anyone that the way to have done Grindhouse was not to make two imitators but take lowbudget fare like this, and pair it together with something else. I guess in the day of the absentee drive-in, this wouldnt work.
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for Jesse James, Zodiac and Eastern Promises then that's probably the best 5 films of 2007-2008
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*runs away in ......* <P>NO, FUCK IT, "MY NAME IS JARV AND I LIKED THE FACULTY"
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Looks like I'll be having my old friend Lost Jarv for dinner. pfht pfht pfht phfht.
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and on Grindhouse, what they should have done was bin that shitty Tarantino effort. It was Death Proof that killed it.
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sadly, those days are gone.
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mostly. It was a bit sloppy. My point was that not everyone breaks down into "Loves Transformers but can't read a subtitle even if it was showing up to inform him the theater was on fire and he must leave" to "I play all of Ozu's films on a giant screen above my head while I sleep every night". Start getting creative with your marketing and see that there has to be an overlap somewhere.
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But I still would have to place Silence of the Lambs ahead of it.
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when Sigourney got the nom for Aliens, or when Depp got nommed for Sparrow, but let's face it, the Academy is still far away from doing the right thing by genre films. If Dark Knight gets a best picture nom, that will be in the right direction, but I'm not holding my breath.
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July 22, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST
How about Visting Hours with the great Michael Ironside?
by toadkillerdog
Not to mention the even greater Shat!
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But maybe it was its release date. Wasn't it the deadzone as far as voters remembering it?<p> That scene with the couple enjoying the outdoors and the killer shows up...wow.
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Seriously, and some of them are in the Unarguably best fucking films of all time list. (2001 leaping to mind)
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It's like the Oscar voters are content to throw it all the technical awards and think that is good enough.<p> I think if a movie is good enough, then who cares what genre it is from?
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totally agree, and the marketing for shlock is tricky- see the Snakes on a Plane fiasco. <P>But how on earth are the likes of me (and I bet it never even gets a UK release), ever going to see it if they don't tell us about it, or put it on a fucking screen. <P>It's daft. And surely this must impact on DVD sales?
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Silence of the Lambs > Manhunter > Hannibal > Red Dragon
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are actors that take roles because they are Oscar Bait (Forrest Gump leaping to mind). <P>Has anyone seen Death of a Salesman with Dustin Hoffman and John Malkovich. It's ok- but watch Rain Man straight afterwards and tell me that Hoffman isn't repeating his exact Willy Loman Performance. It's a joke.
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Manhunter> Silence> Hannibal> RD> Hannibal Rising
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are so far ahead of the others it's astounding. And that's despite Oldman's deranged turn in Hannibal.
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I think that Fellowship was better than either ROTK or Two Towers - but I actually enjoyed Two Towers more.
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they always seem to take other factors into consideration..For example, regardless of how witless you think Transformers was, the fx work was far beyond Golden Compass. But the Academy, probably feeling upset that a toy commerical even got nominated, gave it to the aetheist Coke commercial instead.
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I looked at the cast of that movie and thought 'wow!'<p> I then went to theater and thought 'Meh.'<p> It pissed me off because that should have been at least a very good flick.
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You're the first guy around here (other than myself) who enjoyed Michael Clayton. I'm not sure if it's due to the Clooney backlash (which I've never understood, I think he's a great actor and who cares if he mugs it up) or because people thought it was boring. Jesse James was boring as f**k but in the best possible way because it was also gripping as hell and possibly the best movie of the year behind Zodiac.<p>Folks who hated Michael Clayton need to read the script. It's one of the best I've ever read only a retard thinks that Juno junk was more well written.
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And I love Silence and I will fistfight or at least thumb my nose, at anyone who says it is not a good movie. But Manhunter is out of left field great. Totally unexpected. <p> What the hell ever happened to Demme?
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My bender doesn't get launched until Tuesday next week -- 13 days with a huge, fuck-off pile of DVDs, booze, unhealthy food and no wife and kid. I might add that for eight of those days, I'm off work. <p> Oh yes.
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but I don't think it's better than Zodiac, Eastern promises, or Jesse James. <P>Juno is dreadful. Sorry, but it is.
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Candadian! Ironside! Horror! Shat! What more can you ask for?
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thought it was today. <P>Mine starts friday with Batman marathon, then Dark Knight Saturday and then into a Mcclure Marathon as I have next week off.
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July 22, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST
Doc! Old home week around here now. Where is Danny and Abom?
by toadkillerdog
Lets get the party started!
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there can be no denying this.
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This has been a great TB. See you tomorrow. <P>Bitchslap Memories if he shows up.
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Im sorry. I forgot about Juno. Michael Clayton was a great movie. I'm actually recalling the nominated movie differently. Part of my clouded brain actually thought Into the Wild was nominated. I liked all the nominees, even Juno, but Michael Clayton was better than Juno and Atonement. Nix my statement above. <p> And Visiting Hours is worthy, and creepy. It's a hospital based thriller mostly. Ironside was super creepy. And the Shat was shatting his heart out in that one. As always. It's a good slasher. A bit more unsettling than most, probably due to the creepy score and lighting.
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I remember that like yesterday. It was a very creepy movie, that holds up very well. Not very well known though.
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July 22, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST
NO movies last year were as good as Zodiac or Jesse James
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
Which is all the more infuriating since neither of them was nominated.<p>And what kind of voting wanker thinks Juno was better than Eastern Promises, 3:10 To Yuma, Gone Baby Gone, Into the Wild and The Great Debaters? Christ, Charlie Wilson's War and American Gangster were better than that tripe. Such a good year for movies for a change and sewage gets the nod.
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I wanted to like it and I did for the most part. I thought it had some insanely greta moments. And Zoe Deschanel is unrecognizable (thankfully) in her small role. but the actual scene where Ford kills JJ is annoying as fuck. I mean what was a brutally honest and relaistic account up until that point seemed to jerk into a surreal fantasy at that point.
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BraneRobot would be proud of the way you are slapping USC around! Just kidding, but that guy really does need a timeout.
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Insinuating The Dark Knight is a conservative propaganda piece for illegal spying and torture is beyond imbecilic.
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1. There Will Be Blood<p> 2. No End in Sight<p> 3. Zodiac<p> 4. Once<p> 5. Michael Clayton<p> 6. The Mist<p> 7. Gone Baby Gone<p> 8. Sicko<p> 9. Eastern Promises<p> 10. No Country for Old Men
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July 22, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST
The stars are in alignment for a return to the days of yore
by toadkillerdog
When battle royale waged across the TB landscape. BSB is back from honeymoon. I'm back from vacation. Brane has resurfaced as BlackCrippler. Morbid and Chrism nowhere to be found though. But new trolls on the left and right are coming out of the woodwork.
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Thought it could be overhyped buzz about movie, but then I watched it.<p> Wow, to see the tranformation from smiling and feeding his son in the tent at the begining and talking to him at his desk in the end...<p> Very much love this movie.
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Damn fine list. Don't think it would match 100% mine but I can't disagree with a single choice. How freakin rare is that on a TB?<p>And Once should have earned the spot Juno had.<p>I stopped reading TDK thread because of USC. He's an ass.
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July 22, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST
An open letter to FlipZide Pictures (the shit factory making McW
by womprats
Dear FlipZide Pictures, Producing crap like Extreme Movie and Autopsy doesn't seem to have lessened your appetite for shit-tastic screenplays. Please don't waste the $23005 you were going to invest to make Drew McWeeny's laughably bad "Bat Out of Hell" script. No one wants to see another bad Twilight Zone episode ripoff. And if you do make it, please let us know when it has its world premiere on Showtime so we can cancel our subscriptions in advance. Sincerely, Horror Movie Fans Everywhere ps- Hey Bore-iarty, if you're going to pretend that all of the talkbackers slamming your asinine opinion doesn't bruise your fragile ego, you might want to avoid replying to each one individually, like some 12 year old girl crying on her myspace.
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That fiat white Rasta kid was Jack Black. Yes, it was.<P> Agree with you on SCREAM - awesome at the time, more a video curio now. Though Jamie Kennedy is talking up a SCREAM 4 that the studio is supposedly trying to keep on the down low - and they won't make it without Wes Craven!<P> Hopefully the ELM ST 1 and SCREAM Craven, NOT the CURSED and SHOCKER Craven. Okay, I DID like SHOCKER.<P> Oh, and to paraphrase the Commitments: Say it once, say it loud. I LIKED THE FACULTY AND I'M PROUD!!!<P> Proud, I telss ya. "Showdown..."
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I can't remember where though. I didn't confront him. Where was BlackCrippler? Is it really Branes.
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Haven't yet seen it, but EMPIRE did their usual fucked-up spoiler thing and printed the last scene of the movie in their mag last month. I read it, couldn't believe how funny it sounded, then watched it with no context whatsoever on YouTube. I damn near pissed myself laughing. Then I found a version where someone looped the DDL dancing towards the other guy bit so it looked like he was dancing, and put Kelis' MILKSHAKE over it. Even fucking funnier. So now I don't know if I dare watch the movie, because no matter how dramatic and awesome it is, that ending may still make me howl with laughter.<P> "I drink your milkshake! I drink it up! DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINAGE! DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINAAAAAAGE!!!"<P> Should I just STFU and watch it? Is it really THAT great?!?
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I've only seen three of those movies...sigh..<p>I loved Zodiac and Eastern Promises...but I didn't like Sicko at all.<p>And Jesse James...I don't know what it is, but the performances were of course top-notch...but it was just an okay movie for me. Frankly, it was too boring for me in spots that seemed to take the wind out of my sails a bit. <p>And I think the continuation of the movie after Jesse was killed...I know, I know, it was about Robert Ford...but I think that took away from my experience. I was just left with a "it was okay" taste in my mouth.
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I'm hoping to see Tegujai Batir and Smashing again at the annual Flame Wars, in the honourable "For and Against: the Dr Who RTD Gay Agenda TB" section. I was actually stalked by that Batir dude across several TBs, and that was strangely creepy. Every comment I made, the fucker replied!<P> Ah, those were the days. Nowadays, everyone's so goshdarned polite.
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Heard good things about it, and count me as someone who likes Georgie's work.
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Wow. I actually haven't seen ANY of those movies. Call me an iverse movie snob - I avoid anything arthousey or overly Oscar-baiting.<P> I know, I know, I'm missing out...
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I needs me a new keyboard...
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2385224410 <p> I'm sure myspace has one too. If you want to do something and get the word out, here's your chance. I'll do my part to support it. Grassroots has worked in the past.<p> Get enough people to become "aware" of this movie. If they like the idea then great, if not, also great. The point is, the more people you can share this with, the more likely 50 theaters will get expanded to 100 or more and at least give the movie a chance. <p> That's all Drew is asking in that letter. I support him because I liked the concept and look of the movie. If you don't like the movie, but have a friend that might, let them know about the project.<p> Again, I could be wrong, but Mori's letter is a just a plea to give the movie a chance. It's buried without marketing, and it looks like word of mouth is the only marketing it is going to get.
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I noticed that morbidobesity was in a TV Tb I skimmed the other day.
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I see Node already posted this. Note to self read entire TB before posting.
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I pictured the film in my head. I saw the stars being Ving Rhames, George Foreman, Leo DiCaprio, and Sly. It was AWESOME!!!!!
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After watching 2 trailers to this film, I would definitely pay to see this one. I really like the premise and I especially like that it isn't a cookie-cutter 'dragon', but purposely different-looking because it's an alien creature. If marketed properly, I think it could at least make its money back just in US theaters alone.
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Yes, I had heard of the 'Ill drink your Milkshake!' quote.<p> But I was so into the movie I didn't laugh until afterwards.<p> Trust me, never go bowling at Plainviews house if he holds a grudge against you.<p> Trust me....
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Good to see you man. There are som low level trolls that are keeping the place hopping, but nothing like the all out Brane wars. But you know it is coming.<p> Spud, I am not familiar with the TB'ers you mentioned, but there are plenty of trolls to go around.
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http://www.facebook.com/photo_search.php?oid=2385224410&view=all <p> Some pretty cools shots. There are some pictures that may give away some plot points. <p> That's why I gave a warning. Look at page seven for a very cool concept art of the Moorwen.
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SPOILER ALERT!!!!<p> G4tv.com has an interview with designer Patrick Tatopoulos and it shows a model of the Moorwen.<p> I like the way it looks fast, yet muscular and strong.<p> Damn, I'm getting more and more excited about this flick.
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see it if you can, CAV IS SUPES!
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Just go to facebook and do a search for OUTLANDER. <p> You'll see the movie poster and link to the photos. There are some pretty good shots.
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we should, as much as is possible, synchronize some screenings for it.
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bangarang!
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Is it intelligent like the Predator, or more like Xenomorph from Alien?<p> Damn I dig movies like this. Creature design trumps Cloverfield design in my humble opinion.<p> Almost like Vermithrax Pejorative's pups and Dogs from Ghostbusters.
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that is some delicious creature design. Also the story, if done well, is so much fun! In recent years we have had The Host, Cloverfield, The Mist. I never imagined that Outlander would be anything other than sludge until I saw the trailer. It's exciting to think this might be a good time.
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How much I love creature features.<p> If it is a good creature design and performs well, I will forgive a tremendous amount of shoddy script, bad acting and lack of nudity.<p> Hell, I loved Cloverfield and you barely got to see it.
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Just when Godzilla first comes to the city and you're just catching glipmses of the design.<p> See what I mean by forgiving a lot of movie tripe just for the creatures?<p> Me admitting that should let you know how much fun I have watching these things fuck shit up.
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But I jumped into that TDK thread to contribute. I'm a political animal and when people dangle it in my face, it's like taunting a junkyard dog with a steak.<p>We don't get enough creature features.
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I saw Darkness Falls and Virus in the theater, and if I could have actually seen the monster in Virus, I probably would have liked it. <p> I'm just saying it's that much better when the monster has a good movie behind it. I'm such a sucker for creatures, that I even tried to watch AVP:R, much to my shame. <p> Did you see The Host chitty? Loved that creature design.
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one of mine is a bit of guilty pleasure, but it's the aliens from The Arrival, with their bendy knees. <p> And despite the crappiness of the movie surrounding it, the robot dog from Red Planet is also fun.
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Took the wife to see AVP:R because I told her it had to be better than the first one.<p> Bam! I lost that bet and had to go see TWO of her movies just even things out. Definatly Maybe was one of them and it was pretty good though so I didn't get payback too bad.<p> Finally got my hands on The Host dvd and watched it three times the first night. Once with wife, then with borther-in-law and then after everyone was asleep with a big, straight glass of Blanton's whiskey.<p> Loved the family almost as much as the creature.<p> Man, when that thing spots them and starts swinging like Tarzan under the bridge...or the tension as the little girl is climbing over it...don't get me started, I can talk about that movie all day.<p> Loved it, loved it, loved it.
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Pumpkinhead, The Predator (original), Vermithrax Pejorative, It's Alive baby, The Host, exo skeleton suit ID4 aliens wore, The Relic, male dragon from Reign of Fire, Spinosaurus from JP3, heck all of the dinos from JP series, Harry and the Hendersons, Cloverfield, Imperial Walkers, Balrog from LOTR, War of the Worlds tripods.<p> Damn, I'm rambling I need to step and think about this... and give top 5.<p> Yes, that alien in the Ariival freaked me out with the bassackward legs, as did the long-legged alian from Close Encounters.
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I think some things should be clear here. If OUTLANDER was actually the Weinstein's film, I could care less if they wanted to send it to DVD. But it ISN'T. Essentially OUTLANDER is indy funded through the Production company (which was not the Weinsteins, who are *only* the distributor for north america) <p>The weinstein company invested early on in exchange for the north american distribution rights. Their stake lies in getting the film out there. They aren't just hurting themselves if they send it to DVD They're screwing over the company (Ascendant Pictures who also made the groovy lucky number slevin) that actually made the film. I know it cost's money to put a feature in theaters but I sincerely doubt that 1250 screens wouldn't make up the difference even if it flopped. I really don't think they would be any worse off than not giving the movie a chance at all. That's what pisses me off. Feelings about Moriarty's writup aside, I think the movie deserves that chance, and as a viewer, I think the suits should respect us enough to give us the option.
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Movies like this, I go to theater AND buy the DVD. So they get double the money from me.
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All the alien designs execept for the hybrid albino peice of shit at the end of Ressurection, Graboids from Tremors, King Kong, T-Rex's in King Kong, toy monkey in the Devil's Gift (Jonah's Fav!) I'll think of more in a sec...
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Also it's OK to love your creature design, just don't loooove your creature design.
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and the very height of monster perfection. Don't forget the old designs. Primitive, but good. The Cyclops from 7th Voyage, Ymir, Medusa, Pegasus, The Kracken, etc. <p> And how bout this one not yet mentioned: The little troll from Cat's Eye. What a great little piece of work. Hellboy 2 is like an all you can eat buffet of creature design, Chitty.
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in Forbidden Planet, it's invisible body caught in that energy field. And the mushroom people. ahhh, the mushroom people. And if you want to talk about a fun monster design, cheap as he may be, The Snakeman from Dreamscape. Oh, the memories.
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and The Thing...goodness how did I forget Carpenter's The Thing.
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Chitty,<p> I thought the same thing when I saw this monster. I wish it had been the Cloverfield monster instead. <P> I'm a huge creature feature nut too. It all stems from movies like"Creature from the Black Lagoon".
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the Crites, Talos, Them, Zorgons, that crazy bat from Fright Night..PUGWORM from House II. In fact all those creatures: baby pterodactyl, skeletal horse. Awesome.
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Which Cyclops died after trying to help out with the witch that turned into a sabretooth tiger?<p> Damn, I remember feeling bad for the cyclops because he was just hanging out and helping and all.<p> Also forgot I liked the Kraken from POTC too. Davey Jones rocked too.<p> Speaking of energy field, I have the Johnny Quest episode on my ipod when they go to island and that one-eyed energy creature is tearing shit up. That thing scared me when I was kid.
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Yea, the art of creature design is pretty much the thing that got me into movies. First movie I recall watching with my dad was King Kong, the original, and the obsession was born right there. <p> And Chuck Russell's Blob was also gelatinously beautiful.
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and he was a trogolodyte. The Cyclops was killed by the dragon in 7th Voyage. How bout Loch Ness monster in 7 Faces of Dr. Lao?
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Winged creatures ridden by Ring Wraiths in LOTR movies.<p> Also the Oliphants.<p> T-100 without skin.<p> I wished I could have seen the Sentinels in the training room in X-3.<p> And can't forget the Iron Giant!
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Yes, that was it! Damn I was drawing a blank.<p> Can't remember the Nessie from that movie, although I can't tell you the last time I have seen it.
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Loved that satellite-born alien monstrosity. Chuck Russell's BLOB ruled - some fantastic deaths in that movie! - and I'm a big fan of the mushroom-that-was-a-wizard in TROLL (was it called Selwyn or something?). KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE - great monsters!<P> Even CLOVERFIELD was great. Yep, it's fair to say I loves me some monsters too.
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...They bite!<P> Though didn't the Critters remind you of Fizzgig (furry ball with three sets of teeth) in the firt all-you-can-eat-creature-feature-buffet THE DARK CRYSTAL? Man, every single creature in that whole fucking movie was AWESOME!
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I remember seeing that one that looked like a baby coming out of the tiolet.<p> Of course it triggered my amazing fear of the baby in It's Alive.<p> I thought of getting therapy to see why that baby scared me so much. Damn I was petrified of that damn thing!
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will never beat the oleg thread: http://tinyurl.com/6posda
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http://tinyurl.com/6q2qfv
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http://zone.aintitcool.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=70645&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=3200
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Funny stuff.<p> Also remember some classic Transformer threads that just exploded and the vintage Cloverfield discussions.
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And Jack in THE SHINING
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That must've been a US video box, 'cos if I saw that in the UK you KNOW I'd have got me one by now!<P> I love TERRO VISION. It is unapologetically, unremittingly awful, but lovable for it.
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I don't always agree with your critiques, hell most of the time I flat out disagree. But I commend you for expressing your feelings on a film that you think should get a chance. I definitely agree with your point of the constant dumping of these films to video or limited release is why we get stuck with sequels and remakes. A good movie shouldn't have to be based on on A-List actor name attached or 100 million dollar budget. Advertise the movie and see if people will come and see it, if Meet Dave can actually make it to the theatre than by God why not this action adventure with a different take on a classic story.
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http://outlander.solsector.net/CONCEPT%20ART.htm <p> Moorwen at the bottom along with planetscape.
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the Chud's from the first movie-the movie was a bore, but they were pretty funky. <p> Again, the troll from Cat's Eye. Are there people out there who haven't seen this and love monsters? Fix your mistake. <p> a goofy mess, but memorable in it's goofiness is Meatloaf Bear from Prophecy. <p> Draco from Dragonheart was an awesome design. <p> Buckbeak from Harry Potter. <p> most all of Labyrinth. <P> The Tingler-hunks of rubber never scarier. <p> The Cenobites. <p> Gremlins of course. <p> The Gramork. <p> Ghidorah. <p> if animation counts, The Red Bull <p> The Judas Bugs
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Billy Zane was one of favorite onscreen Demons in a while. Check out Tales From the Crypt: Demon Knight. Love this movie.<p> What about the piraha's with the wings?<p> Demon from Amityville III that came up from the well in the basement.<p> Winged beings in Beastmaster were pretty cool.<p> Dragon (or Hydra) in Willow.<p> Luck Dragon in Neverending Story.<p>
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The Faun, obviously. <p> the Mondoshawan from The Fifth Element, and Gary Oldman's elephant pet. <p> the brain bug from Starship Troopers was a goofy fave. <p> The little bug eyed monster from the Tales from the Darkside episode called "Inside the Closet". That one was courtesy of Tom Savini. <p> the little goblins from The Gate. <p> The Reapers from Blade II. surprised it took me this long to mention them. <p> Sammael, Hound of the Ressurection.
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The monster from The Relic? I thought was wasn't half bad.
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Thing from Brother Hood of the Wolf, that kind of looked like the Relic monster.
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In the few days before my wife gave birth, I went online and saw where I could purchase an It's Alive puppet.<p> So I thought it would be cool to have everyone of our relatives at the glass and I whip back the blankie and start whipping that thing around.<P> Long story short, they were sold out on the website and wife didn't find the idea funny AT ALL.
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What about the bad ass James Earl Jones Snake in Conan?
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basically if the Predator and Jurassic Park creature mated. <p> Fenrir from Runestone.Though lets face it, he looks like crap, and is mostly here because he is a viking related monster, and the cops actually say "Nah, it's not Fenrir. Probably some loon in a bulletproof dogsuit!'
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they actually have those?
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The only way you could have bettered it would have been if you could buy a V: THE LAST BATTLE puppet for that little green bastard Blaire gave birth to. Or the normal-looking kid with the forked tongue. But that little green bastard... Guaranteed creep-out for sure!<P> Kudos, though. That would have rocked!
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I would have been thrown out of the nursery for sure.<p> I think I would have to find a back door to the hospital no doubt.<p> Although knowing my mom, ever the loving mother she is, would have said something like "Oh she looks like her daddy!"<p> I'm still going to get one though. Thanks for the link Danny, as I forgot where to get one. I will send pics after it comes in...
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When I saw that scene in V, I just about had to turn away. Guys, I'm serious when I said little baby monsters creep me the fuck out.<p> Luckily my daughter is cuter than a box of kittens.
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More Skeksis's please!
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... that's one of the pleasures of the film... the Moorwen may be dumb animals... or they may not be. And your assumptions about which one they are might just get your head torn off. Or your entire planet destroyed. Which is my not-terribly-coy way of saying they are very groovy monsters.
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First Whiny, I apologise for calling you insane. That was me being a dick and hiding behind anonymity. I still question your motives here but obviously you have a consistent grudge and good luck with it.<p>Second, I am very well aware what site this is and it is a site that very often singles out entire groups of movies despite attention that may have been given to them in the past. My suggestion is to create YET ANOTHER feature where Aintitcool specifically identifies and advertises a movie that isn't getting studio support or the attention it arguably deserves. Maybe the wrong has gotten out and a needed talent(s) is about to get washed down the drain while we get another Alien Vs Predator movie. Sometimes the general DVD columns or the name dropping isn't enough and a dedicated article, like this one, would help create an awareness and active dialogue with the very fans who are going to get the kick in the arse and go see it. Mori's letter was a great first step so why not continue the standard. I'm sorry if this kind of irrational positivity is offensive to you. I'd be pissed too if I could only see the crappy, mundane aspects of life.
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I've always read that man is man's greatest foe. And while I certainly can see where that saying is coming from, I can actually argue it to a point.<p> You see, while mankind is indeed a very dangerous species, nearly everyone knows that man also has the gift of conciousness in general.<p> Even life-long criminals will kill a child molester when put in prison with them. That proves that some compassion is at least buried deep within not matter the person.<p> Most animals are without this. Unless it is there own species, all bets are off. Sort of like when Lions kill a Hyena, 95% of the time they don't eat it. They are trying to rid themselves of a species that will harm theirs.<p> What intrigues me about species like the Moorwen is they may possess not only a level of intelligence not seen since Raptors in Jurassic Park or the Xenomorphs, but maybe worse...<p> The intellegence of man with a lack of conciousness about killing anything that gets in its way.<p> Now that is truly a scary creature.
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I think the movie is a tough sell, honestly. I want to see it, but most viking movies have been passable (The 13th Warrior) to bad (Pathfinder). Granted, there aren't many of them, but this one has a spaceman, an alien dragon, and vikings. And the passable to bad viking movies that preceded it won't help anticipation for Outlander in any respect. Don't get me wrong - Outlander definitely interests me. But I think a lot folks could just go "huh?" or even laugh during the trailers they've shown so far (so I agree with Moriarty in that they haven't been good). And the cast, while very good, aren't mainstream draws for most moviegoers. I don't know how I'd even try to sell this, honestly. I do want to see it, but if it does get a theatrical run I'd have a tough time convincing my wife to go with me. :)
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Drew, not to change the subject too much, but when does your ep. of Fear Itself air? Is it this Thursday? I read your script and was intrigued enough that I want to see how Doug Jones handles the central character. <p> I think there is real potential there. Want to tune in with the wife and see how it goes down, provided it hasn't already aired.
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it sounds above like the script was just passing enough to entice. Not what I meant. It was a good read, but I think the actual final products of this show haven't been too fantastic thus far. So my hesitancy lies in that, not your work, which was a fine horror piece.
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Moriarity's episode "Skin and Bones" is scheduled to air July 31st if I am not mistaken. I'm looking forward to it.<p> Can't wait to see how he handled the struggle within.<p> Sort of Like Ed Harley and Pumpkinhead maybe? Seperate but the same?<p>
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The Rancher and the Monster share the same soul maybe? Or share pain?<p> I didn't mean to imply it was just like Pumpkinhead or trying to copy it. I was comparing the struggle of the characters and how they can't help but be fatally tied together so to speak.<p> Sorry.
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he made it available for reading.
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July 22, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST
there's something of a posession vibe to the whole thing..
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with the wendigo myth sort of hanging over the whole story, and becoming more and more concrete as the story progresses. Basically, you have a man sick in bed, who nearly died, and there is that classic question-who came home, the guy who left, or the guy that was born out of that ordeal? Good bit going on in a story that moves pretty straightforwardly. <p> If Fessenden did it justice, and I know he is capable of it, then this will be a spooky good time.
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I've been reading this site for years, but have only recently logged in.<p> I saw a talkback about it, but got too busy at work, newborn baby, etc, etc.<p> Where would I find a copy? I googled his episode and came up with the air date, but nothing really else.<p> Does he mind if we read it?<p> I really love to write and would like to read and hopefully learn a thing or two.<p> I used to write for a small paper and was told I could do whatever I wanted in my department. LOVED IT.<p> But the pay was chicken feed and I bowed down to the almighty dollar and the 9-5 that came with it.
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it is only fair we point out he AND Scott Swan(his writing partner) created it together. This would be their third script for the anthology format after Cigarette Burns and Pro-Life. Personally, Skin and Bones is less flashy, but also a bit more(pardon the pun) raw, I think than those 2. <p> Let me see if I can find the link for you.
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I know I read something about the Indian myth of the Wendigo was a spirit that transformed from human or could possess a human.<p> Mainly due to the eating of human flesh and the mortal and spiritual taboo that follows the eating of one's own species.<p> Maybe causes the true evil of man to manifest itself in physical form?
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and here is the link, complete with place to download the script. He said it will be available til the episode airs, so get it now. <p> I'd love to still have this talkback running so we can discuss it when it airs amongst all the other horror fans running about here.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37450
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yes, it's more along the cannibalism myth than the more forest spirit path that Fessenden explored with Wendigo and Last Winter(two movies I truly enjoyed).
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Also, noticed tonight at Best Buy, they were selling Thirteenth Warrior for 6 bucks. For all those who were talking fondly of it earlier.
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I will start back posting in this talkback tomorrow to try and help keep it going.<p> I also had fun in the Friday the 13th talkback and The Stand talkback as well.
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Not bad at all. So far sounds like the best of the lot.<p> Hope the director played up the isolation of the house on the moutain, as it makes the victims and the viewers feel even more helpless.<p> Also would like to see Wendigo creature as something like Pumpkinhead or similar, not just a zombie. But I know budgets can make those decisions for you.<p> Script reads very well Moriarty. Well done.
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Script got me hooked and had to finish it.
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Producers at ascendant are pushing to get a wider release. But if 50 theaters is all we get I sure as hell hope one of them is close enough to where I live, but it will be doubtful considering I'm in the middle of nowhere with the nearest large center is a six hour drive away... and even that city probably wouldn't get it if it's only on 50 screens. <p>At the very least one of them better be in Halifax so all the people who were actually in it and working on it can go see it. <p>Barring that, The Locarno Film festival in Switzerland is playing the movie in roughly two weeks. Hopefully it gets some great buzz. It's not in contention but it will be up for a peoples choice award for it's "premiere" as well as some other Variety sponsored award. <p>And then it will be playing throughout the month at the Fantasy Filmfest in Germany... <p>I can't remember if I stated it or not, but the actual cost of the film is more than just slightly north of 30mil. It's "official" budget is about 40 million (originaly it was closer to 32million) and final costs are rumored to be about 47 million dollars.
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some lady's shoulder? <P> there was a naked tits outer space laser battle..
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My problem is, if this only gets 50 screens in the US then there isn't a fucking prayer London will get it. <P>I'm wondering if Frightfest will show it. I'll go and check
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And I'm in fucking Spain when it's on. How annoying.
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Midnight Meat Train and Trailer Park of Terror. Which just sounds like genius.
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There's a film called I know how many runs you scored last summer that sounds amusing though.
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In reference ro a question you asked me waaaaaay earlier, I'm doing just fine thanks for asking. What's Trailer Park Of Terror? I have not heard about that one.
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TRAILER PARK OF TERROR. Is that the place where both Michael Lohan AND the Spears clan live? It's like a cannibalistic HILLS HAVE EYES situation where years of inbreeding keeps producing these amoral, unfeeling, brainless, compassionless bimbettes that live on crack cocaine and the subtle air of desperation, and who - inverting the classic tribal myth - only have souls when they ARE photographed. They get to Hollywood, begin reproducing a la SPECIES due to the copious amounts of crack cocaine around, and now E! NEWS is actually a covert pirate show designed to transmit a subwave subliminal message warning the world that the fucked-up trust-fund psychopaths are out here to destroy us all!<P> Is THAT the TRAILER PARK OF TERROR, or am I going insane?<P> Ah. I am indeed wrong.
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but the title makes me want to see it.
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you spamming shitbag. <P>Take your wanky dating site, polish it up and jam it up your arse.
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I'm fuming. What a shitty day. So far I've been blamed for an admin error that is palpably not my fault, The Dark Knight TB has melt down and I've discovered I'm going to miss frightfest. <P>It's enough to drive me to the pub.
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Isn't the "cocaine" at the end of Crack-cocaine redundant? What other type of crack is there?
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I finally saw AVP:R.<p>Thoughts: It is not the most horrendous piece of shit I've seen, and I would say it was more entertaining than 10,000 BC (which ain't saying much). I would also argue that this one is still better than AVP since no humans actually became a Predator sidekick. <p>Plus, it did have Michelle from 24 whom I would really like 24 hours with.
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a fucking absolute abomination, and a travesty. <P>True it didn't have a human sidekick and this is a good thing, but it did have a predalion that can impregnate women through the mouth, and committed the absolutely unfuckingforgivable sin of setting it in present day small town America. <P>At least AvP had the sense to set it somewhere exotic. <P>What bugs me (a lot) is why on earth can they not set it in Space?
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It's been a while since I saw it, and as I own a pirate copy I've seen it twice- the first time I watched it drunk (believing, erroneously, that this would improve it), and couldn't make out a fucking thing. I rewatched it sober, and STILL couldn't make out a fucking thing. <P>I wrote it off as a bad pirate copy, only to find out later from a mate that the copy I have is perfect and the fucking film is MEANT to look like that. How incompetent can you get?
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just to make that clear. In fact, a lot of the blame for AvP:R lies with that first abortion.
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I like to pretend that neither film exists. For me the Alien series ends at the end of Resurrection. And I'm not chuffed by the last third of that one either. Predator, obviously, only has the 2 films.
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We've droppped below a Top Gun TB. I'm not having that.
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Critters is fucking great. Not many people know this but it's actually a comedy/ satire/ spoof (delete as applicable) of gremlins. <P>Honest.
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Yuck. What a steaming turd. As much as the premise is good, everyone involved in that fucking movie needs to be forced into working in hardcore corprophilia fetish porn. <P>Horrible shit.
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this is easy,<P>Where is everybody? Not working surely?
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1 is genuinly good, <p>2 is OK- worth it for the Easter Bunny death and the giant Krite Ball at the end, <p>3 is crap- with the only redeeming feature of the Krites being saved by the intergalictic equivalent of Greenpeace because they're about to go extinct, <p>4 sets it in Space following Jarv's golden rule for late sequels (you want a good one, set it in Space), so is therfore quite good. <P>Charlie is in all of them, but never stops being an annoying dick that you just want eaten.
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No space = no fucking chance for those AVP movies.<p>I will still maintain that the second one is better than the first. For one thing, the two stoner dudes at the gun store (or whatever store it was) got their heads blown off by the predator, which was amusing. Secondly, the blonde chick had an amusing death as well running into the flying predator morning star thingy. <p>I can't stress this enough: no human sidekick who was given a "war mark" by a predator.
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I've only seen the first two, and that was ages ago. I can't believe I don't recall the Easter Bunny death.
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fuck off.
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but I won't be able to get to it tonight. I'll have to probably do some school work. <p>If it was possible, I would send a web FLAMING LEG KICK to my professor and knock his ass back a quarter century.
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The Manitou, with Tony Curtis. Wow. What a flick!
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Calling Gattaca crap? Christ, people hate on everything around here.<p>It might have had trailers and interviews but that still doesn't mean it flew under the radar. I was working at a Blockbuster at the time and I had to recommend that movie to practically everyone coming in because they had never heard of it.<p>Jarv, AVP:R was one of the worst shot movies ever. The sewer scenes were impossible to make out and the editing was worthless. The studio should have taken the loss and burned every print.
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I needst you to dispatch an unholy shitheel, namely my professor. <p>Tell me thou lord whom I need to sacrifice to have this deed come to fruition?
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Just one of those things...<p>Sigh, so many movies, so little time.
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Need another cup of coffee.
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Just watched that the other night. It's just classic. The "final battle" in the lab is just great. <p>Weapon of choice: axe on the back wall or a fire extinguisher? <p>Fire extinguisher!
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Speaking of which, need #2...
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And for that reason more than any of the others, AvP:R is more of an atrocity than AvP. <P>*Although, Jarv would like to make extremely clear that he does not in any way condone "The enemy of my Enemy is my friend" shite or tribal marking a human sidekick. Nor does Jarv condone such stupidity as a 300 foot high queen Alien, and he absolutely treats with contempt the pathetic grab at credibility that was casting Lance Henriksson as Mr. Weyland*
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Jarv Recognises that they re-attempted this stupidity in AvP:R by having Ms Yutani in it. Jarv would like to hereby issue a biro fatwa on any and all studio idiots that think an Alien v Predator movie SET ON EARTH IN THE PRESENT DAY is a good idea. <P>It's fucking infuriating, because it can be done. If you take the end of Resurrection as your starting point and have Alien Eggs survive the crash and Earth be infected with a group of people trying to get off the planet and avoid the attention of the Aliens and the Predators then there's your fucking movie. <P>That took me 3 seconds to think of. You could also blatantly steal Blade Runner's look and have a really fucking degenerate cyberpunk planet. <P>Aliens and Predators should be hazards avoided- by putting the v in the title they felt that they had to fight. This was wrong.
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July 23, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST
the shoddy filming..it's too bad you could make out
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too much of the first AVP.<p>AVP:R > AVP due to NO HUMAN FUCKING SIDEKICK OF A SUPPOSEDLY BAD ASS MUTHAFUCKER OF A PREDATOR.<p>At least the dude in AVP:R was alone and was taking out tons of aliens along with a few human stooges. <p>Didn't another predator at the end of AVP giver her a fucking staff too?<p>Sorry, the film could have been completely consumed in darkness, and AVP:R would be better.
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Fuck's sake: <P>Aliens and Predators should be natural hazards that are to be avoided. <P>We used to smarter
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the human sidekick nonsense actually has pedigree from the comics, so not really the films fault, although an obviously bad idea. And the staff thing is a blatant reference to predator 2 and just sums up the desperate grabs for credibility made in it.<P>But really, pillows, Walmart + Predalion + shot in pitch fucking black + Pizza delivery boy= worse than AvP
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Fuck, what they could have done was drop them in 10,000 BC and have them fuck up mammoths and tribesman and sabertooth tigers and whatnot.
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and have managed to kill off 2 gold standard Sci-fi series. I think that's why they upset me so much.
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That movie sucked too.<p>If you're not named Arnold, you shouldn't survive an encounter with a Predator, let alone become a "Robin" to their "Batman".
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Though I only like the first Predator film, not the second.
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So do I actually do work now, or schoolwork?
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The Glove, obviously, the dystopian setting, Hudson, Gary Busey and more. <P>But don't forget that Predator 2 is to blame for AvP. It wasn't even an idea before some dick put an Alien skeleton in the Predators ship.
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Post here.
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I'm not doing any work today since I got blamed for that admin fuckup.
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Either that or Neil Marshall/ James Cameron/ Ridley Scott. <P>Ain't ever going to happen though.
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absolute mayhem for a next installment.<p>I like the Neil Marshall idea...for Aliens I think. More in line with the first one I think is in order.
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lions and tigers and bears oh my?
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Pathfinder sucked.<p>13th Warrior ruled.
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We haven't had a dumb ninja movie in a while I think. When was the last one?
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then they need to hire Marshall and follow my fucking blueprint up there. <P>I'll even write the cunting story for them- it isn't hard. <P>Obviously, I can't possibly write a script and I'd steal ideas from everywhere.
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I blame Kill Bill. <P>But I'm right off Tarantino at the moment. Fucking Death Proof.
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I think that's the right spelling- the one with old guy SPOILER pretending to be blind that comes to a small town in fuedal Japan and kicks some ass.
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has there ever been a slower moving, more insipid, festering load of wank that had the fucking temerity to retread massive swathes of the first film and then present such a horrible fucking anti-climax as that one? <P>Kill Bill is Tarantino's nuked fridge
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Keeping the TB alive and on top all by yourself!
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10) Hannibal. Looked great. Was in fact crap. <P>9)X3- yuck. Where to begin? <P>8)Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon- raved to the gills, but the worries started with "It's Jane Austin". Oh deary, deary me. <P>7)Indaina Jones and the kingdom of the crystal skull- should have been gold. Was in fact deeply mediocre, and this is unforgivable for an Indy film. <P>6)Superman Returns. I could bash this endlessly. <P>5)Attack of the clones- I was tricked into seeing this, as I was damned sure it would be ass. It was, in fact, worse than ass. <P>4)The Ring Remake. This was a film dying for a good remake- lose all the Goblin crap from the creepy japanese one, and keep that bleak as fuck ending. We didn't get one. But we were never going to as soon as that tool Kruger was hired to write it. He made it worse by cribbing from the inferior sequel and for some inexplicable reason they CGI-d Sadako. Why would you do this? <P>3)Kill Bill 2. See above <P>2)Spiderman 3. How did you fuck this up? idiots. And it was the same creative team. <P>1)The Phantom Menace. Obviously. <P>I'm really worried that TDK is going to be another Phantom Menace moment.
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yup, and I haven't even started typing in insipid lyrics <P>ALL BY MY-SEL-EL-ELF <p>DON'T WANNA BE<P>You get the idea.
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Ruled. I assume you're referring to the 2003 version. I watched that and Versus the same night a couple years back. Blind Fury was based on one of the many Zatoichi movies.
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That's a solid list of disappointments. I will not argue the order, because really, they're all shit to varying degrees. Phantom is of course #1 due to hype. <p>TDK was awesome...just fucking awesome.
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that I've seen.<p>Loved Iron Man, Hellboy 2, TDK...<p>Indy 4 was just okay (which I realize is a crime because of whom was involved and the length of wait), but really, I can't hate on it. Not at all. Though I have a feeling when I rewatch it the whole jungle scenes will bother me to no end.
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It is in no way a phantom menace. <p> Right now, Im more concerned for the XFiles movie. Pleeeeaaassee don't suck.
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glad I spelt it right,
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Fucking ridiculous- I'm going saturday. I'm not bothered by spoilers though.
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I didn't hate Indy. It was just completely mediocre. The reason it makes that list is as you said- length of wait and people involved. <P>That is sad really.
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I loved Crouching Tiger, and I enjoyed The Ring remake...However, I had not seen the original at that point. When I rented the original, it made the remake look like chopped liver. LOVED that ending with gramps and what not. <p> But the remake was fun and inspired me to seek out the original. It wasn't a disappointment, because I didn't expect anything from it. I also saw it on Halloween on a pseudo date with my future wife so that might have helped things.
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I see you have Hannibal on your list at No. 10<p> Yes, I agree I was disappointed with that film, but to me the biggest letdown of the lot was Red Dragon.<p> When you look at the cast of that movie: Norton, Keitel, Hoffman, Parker, Fiennes, wow how did they screw that up?
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but I really am not head over heels in love with the original- so I wasn't that let down by them
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I gotta admit I liked Crouching Tiger. TDK is a great summer movie. You will not be disappointed. The hype and the backlash are out of proportion to the movie. It is a an enjoyable summer entertainment - and really should not be taken as seriously as some people are wont to do.
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Forgot to add him...
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I saw the original first- and when I heard it was getting remade I was seriously excited. <P>This list is subjective, everyone is bound to have a different top 10. <P>Red Dragon didn't make the list because I knew Ratner was directing it and I already didn't expect it to hold a candle to Manhunter. Hannibal on the other hand was Ridley fucking Scott- Julianne Moore, Hopkins, Gary Oldman, Ray Liotta, Directed by Ridley Scott. Should have been the shit.
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when it came out, it was all over the place that this was The great Ang Lee's martial arts epic and was the absolute tits. And I really, really did not like it. <P>My fault really, for building it up in my head to something it isn't. I should have paid attention to all the Jane Austen comments that Ang Lee was making at the time- then I wouldn't have been let down. Because I wouldn't have watched it.
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If you are doing a martial arts movie, the dudes better be able to do martial arts on their own.
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Michael Bay! Yes, Michael fucking Bay!<p> Also Frankie Faison was ALL the Hannibal movies, including Mann's Manhunter.<p> Can you imagine Bay directing this?<p> Hopkins would kick over his bed in his cell and whip out a mini-gun like Arnold had in T-2.<p> Cut to slow motion shot of Norton diving out of the way....
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We will do this one by one, in no particular order of disappointment: <p> 1. Spielberg's War of the Worlds- This should have been pure spectacle. I recalled that teaser with a whole spielbergian neighborhood walking outside to a spectacular lightshow that was in actuality the forces of the martians fighting the military. It was awesome, and the movie only represented that in fits and starts. What gives? As a result I was massively bummed.No great characters, the Tim Robbins scene, the silliness of the buried machinery, the doofus ending.SIGH.
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Matrix sequels, Death Proof, Million Dollar Baby, The Blair Witch Project, and so forth. <P>It's very, very rare for a film to live up to expectations. Such films should be cherished.
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does not bear thinking about. <P>The Tooth fairy pushes the flaming wheelchair down the street while a helicopter flies inexplicably by. Soundtrack by Aerosmith.
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Yea, I know, Emmerich. What did I expect. Well at that point, I still had hopes Emmerich would develop into a fine schlockster. Stargate and ID4 were fun. I thought he could really do something awesome with Godzilla. But as soon as it started, it shot my dreams to death, as they stared at me with big sympathetic reptilian eyes.
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it should have been. <p>It would have been better if the son wasn't in the movie at all. Or, if you absolutely have to have the annoying as fuck kid in it, don't have him come back from the bum rush up the hill into utter destruction and then miraclously turning up at the end.<p>Tim Robbins scene completely killed any momentum in the movie.
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Yuck. Complete crap. Horrible effort. <P>I should have included AI.
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I would replace Crouching Tiger, The Ring and Kill Bill with Alien 3, War of the Worlds and sadly, Godzilla. Once again, I'm in jeopardy of losing my CoC membership because I just plain enjoyed both Kill Bills.
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That was me fighting the hype.<p>Still haven't seen it.
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Tooth Fairy riding the back of the wheelchair down the street firing the mini-gun mounted to the back of it.<p> Cut to Keitel and Norton looking at each other and saying "We ride together, we die together..."<p> Car chase (sponsored by General Motors) ensues.<p>
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Membership will be activated in full once again after you take out two fellow employees with a paper clip (the small size) and whiteout.<p>Bonus points awarded for creativity.
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I liked the first scene of the Tripod coming out of the ground, the ferry scene, the overhead shots of the tripods and well, that's about it.<p> Okay, the tension when Fanning and Cruise were avoiding the probe in the basement was a little above average.
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Talk about a overrated piece of shit.<p>Coincidence my ass.
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I know, I know. Why, why, why did I expect anything. Truth is I just wanted a loud, exciting action film. I WANTED THAT. The Rock was cool to me. Bad Boys was eh, but whatever. But Armageddon extinguished any hope that I would ever think of Michael Bay as someone with a fully functioning brain again. You see, my dislike for Bay and Emmerich is not because of what they represent, but because I once actually thought they could be good.
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were causing destruction = good.<p>As my wife, whom I recently showed the original to, "this was is better than the Tom Cruise one".<p>ding-ding-ding...correct!
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One of the worst things for me- and I'm not usually bothered by spoilers- is that I was watching a review programme on the BBC and they totally blew the end. <P>It just wasn't very good and was hideously overhyped.
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Yea, most people are going to say Brother's Grimm, but I argue that movie was merely alright, and not terrible. Tideland was inexplicable to me. It was like watching a family member I once regarded as brilliant show up at my house as a homeless meth addict. Some people claim the Gilliam genius was intact here, but I didn't see it. I truly felt sad at the end of this one.
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honestly. I really like it. But it was a crushing disappointment at the time. I think too many people were expecting it to be like Aliens and is totally different.
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is the doctor dude is killed early on.
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a let down for me- I've touched on it above, but it's such a missed open goal. An English Language remake would have been so simple- remove the Goblin shit, and don't replace it with anything- especially not Horses. Make it a proper ghost story. It really could have been great, but as Jonah said, the original makes it look like chopped liver. I'm still astounded when I see people genuinly say they preferred the remake.
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I knew Armageddon was going to be shit, and haven't seen Tideland.
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I liked Tiger. It was operatic. It is not for everyone though. That was my very first wire-fu movie, and it took some getting used to. But it was a beautifully shot and epic movie. I enjoyed it. Godzilla. Well dingy damn. I am and have always been the biggest Godzilla fan that I know. The very first DVD I ever bought was a bootleg of Destroy all Monsters - the real DVD would not get released for another decade almost. I own every last Godzilla movie. Emmerich's movie was not Godzilla. Now way, no shape, no how. He was, a Tuna eating monster. But, I enjoyed the flick. I know, sacrilege, but thems the facts. I enjoyed it. I got a big bad monster tearing up NYC, and seeing the Garden blown to smithereens was a lot of fun. Yup, I enjoyed it.
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really should be great shlock directors. It says a lot about them that they aren't.
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I was ok with Reloaded. I thought it would be the precursor to the big fireworks and philosophical rubber meets the road of the third. The worst thing is I anticipated many of the twists, but it is the way the whole thing was handled. You don't go three movies into epic territory and then declare a draw(yes the reconciliation of two enemies could be powerful, but it was more of a stalemate and was anything but powerful) and you don't throw out compelling arguments you formulated in the previous film by having Morgan Freeman show up in a wig, call himself the Oracle, and say"Sorry, The Architect was confused and senile when he told you all that."
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On the list of Alien films, I liked the feeling of isolation as they were trapped and instead of giving up and hiding, they got a plan together and did something.<p> This is also why I like the final act in Jaws (and the rest of it of course).
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I still sort of like this movie. It's fun, and I enjoyed it, but wow, not a great send off for such a great character. The way most of you feel bout Indy, I feel bout this one. Though it's one of the few big disappointments I own, due to the fact it was cheap when I bought it and once the disappointment faded, there was a fair bit to like in it.
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Cloverfield. Blew serious chunks. Boring, boring, and where the hell was the monster? Yes, POV, but put the POV camera on the damn monster, not whiny, boring, totally uninteresting, and never to heard from again, kids! I hated that flick.
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pieces it all together and we can a truly ridiculous movie from start to finish.<p>I'm sincerely hoping 10,000 BC was just a misstep into the bland.
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I have Cloverfield. I didn't mind that movie, and all the fucks got killed (well, except that one chick, but one can hope the copter crashed too).
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By the time it actually showed up, it was clear it was crap, but I was seriously excited for this. I kept looking at the dopey Depp pirate movie and thinking how can that be good, bring on Connery as Quartermain! Wow, joke was on me.
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I think I kow why he chose that date. Supposedly it is the end of the Mayan calendar - i think. And it has all types of significance attached to it.
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How in the hell do you not have him breathing fire? His best ability was running AWAY from the military!!!<p> That is not the Godzilla i grew up with. He would have shown up like the opening scenes, but also would have kicked total ass once the military started attacking.<p> I honestly think this would have been better as a Bay movie. Think about it, he was made to direct a Godzilla movie about total destruction.<p> I still turn the movie off everytime when Godzilla starts crossing the bridge at the end.<p>
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I liked Cloverfield fine. Nothing amazing, but it was fun. I wasn't expecting something monumental. I notice that many of my BIG disappointments are from a time when I was younger, and wasn't as tuned into movies as they were developed. Now, it's easier I think, to temper your expectations, but some things like Matrix and Star Wars will always hit you like a ton of bricks. <p>
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That was really just a chick flick disguised as a supposedly funny comedy.
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I wasn't expecting the second-coming though with it either.
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We must agree to disagree -like grown men. No crying, whingeing, calling down the wrath of evil Gods. No curses of a thousand diseased maggots and pregnant ticks infesting our armpits. No. We will face it like gentlemen, and just because you both like tripe like Cloverfiled, I will not insult you or suggest that watching that movie will lead to global armageddon.
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Killing off the girl and Hicks during the credits? That almost nukes the ending of Aliens where Ripley goes to great lengths to save the girl. If I hadn't been on a date, I would have walked out after 10 minutes.<p>Then, they go to the trouble of developing this relationship with Ripley and the doctor and just when both are clicking, WHAMMO!, alien tongue through the cranium. It was basically a retread of the first movie. Alien stalks unarmed crew in dark spaces. The lack of originality left me dumbfounded.<p>I shouldn't have expected much from Godzilla but I grew up on creature features and worshipped the Godzilla movies, so after ID4, I was expecting greatness from the lizard.<p>I should also add The Lost World to the list. That would actually be right behind Alien3 on my disappointment list.
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of disappointments. It just shouldnt have been as poor and as bland as it was.
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Watching and enjoying Cloverfield releases twenty white doves around the world, helping turn economies around and helps alleviate the energy crisis. <p>By referring it to tripe, you hate the world. <p>Hope you're happy.
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Count me as one of those who loved Donnie Darko, and kept waiting for Kelly to show up again..with something..and it was this. I only finished wathing it so I could have the credibility of panning it.
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I own the concession on White Doves. Every time one is released, I make money. I am very happy!
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He kills little helpless amphibians.. <p> kidding, Toad. I only thought Cloverfield was ok, not terrific. If I had gotten caught up in the hype in the summer I would have been hugely disappointed, but I looked at that release date and said, nah, can't be anything too big and waited for a minor critter movie.
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and we surprisingly liked?
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I remember walking out of the theater feeling bad I paid money to see that.<p> I was excitied after watching the trailers, but man was I let down.<p> Only things I really liked were the bullet to the eye and the airplane scene.
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That was a stupid movie from my childhood. But it still makes me laugh.
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Speed Racer. I took one look at the trailer and said "Mega Bomb" and I was right(at least financially). But my wife and I were at the beach, and were temporarily rained out for an afternoon and found ourselves at the theater, and I gave it a chance, and surprisingly we both really liked it. Again, zero expectations. And it worked for me.
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oh the idiocy, but it is fun, and I love the fact it isn't only frogs that join the killer jamboree.
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I didn't think much about the Mummy with Brandon Fraser and I liked it. Same with Part two until CGI Scorpion King showed up.
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I was wrong.
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But since this is about movies we had no hopes for but were surprised, that would be Rambo
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I had doubts with Will on that one, but again, I enjoyed that one immensely. Quite a pleasant surprise.
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Now, when this came out everyone was enamored over the technology and the style, but all the previews failed to impress me. I paid zero attention to it until it released on video on Halloween, and I sat down with my sister and watched it, and expecting kiddie tripe walked away amazed. Im sure this was everyone's experience, but that was the only time when none of us had real expectations for Pixar. Probably the only time that I was surprised by the quality they delivered. But before I saw it, you couldn't have convinced me it was going to be good.
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Went in with low expectations and came away very entertained. Worth it just for Betty White's foul mouth.<p> Also the exchanges with Gleason and Platt were gems.
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and I ended up really liking that take on fairy tale story telling.
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And I think they substituted Toads in the movie because the Frogs were too embarrassed to be a part of that schlock.
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Didn't think I'd enjoy it, but the way they offed characters...nice.
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I thought the same thing about A Bug's Life.<p> Ho-hum kiddie story with cool graphics and then went with girlfriend and her neighbor's kids to see it.<p> Wow, I bought it as soon as it came out on video.
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I had never ever heard of it, didn't know a thing about it, and it was playing second run. As I have said before, my dad and I had just seen Dark City and were feeling optimistic about scifi. And the movie was awesome. It didnt instantly blow me away, but occupied my thoughts all the way home and beyond. To this day, it's still a favorite.
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I was certainly expecting a stinker and it turned out to be the second best in the series for me.
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You guys will laugh me off for sure.<p>Honestly? I got loaded, saw Good Luck Chuck and laughed the whole way through.<p>Because it won the Oscar I was pre-disposed to hate Shakespeare In Love but thought it was fantastic.<p>The Island surprised the hell out of me and I still think it's Bay's best movie.<p>After The Lost World I had zero expectations for Jurassic Park 3 and enjoyed the hell out of it.<p>When I heard Mel Gibson was making another foreign language film I rolled my eyes and I fear expressing just how much I love Apocalypto because I don't want to get into a flame war.<p>I need more coffee before I can think of more.
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on SCI-FI. It wasnt a masterpiece, just an enjoyable flick, but the level of junk on sci-fi is such that even a decent film is great. My wife had injured her knee, and so we were sequestered in the house on a summer night and we came across Abominable, and for some reason, the movie became legitmately creepy to us.It was a ton of fun, and it helped take our minds off of the injury and hospital trips and what not. Only time I actually liked a Sci-Fi premiere.
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Well done! I thought I was the only guy who liked A Good Year. Precinct 13 had some cool moments and Rocky Balboa was great and after Rocky 5, I was expecting the worst.
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JP3 and The Island are accurate. I felt the same way. Didn't fully love them, but had a great time with them because I expected nothing and feared crap. <p> The one that will get me yelled at. A Walk to Remember. I mocked it for months, and then ended up covering for a teacher whose class was watching it, and found myself renting the thing and making my wife watch it. Not great, but I liked it. Same for Legally Blonde.
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Did you read the book of Purfume? Once I found out more back history on the film and how directors like Kubrick called it unfilmable, and the amazing job Twkler (spelling) did. I think it falls into the better then the book category, because there is this whole middle section of the book that was really boring. The book I thought would be boring, but its a lot of fun and an really easy read surprisingly.
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I love creature features but had a really bad feeling about it. Ended up squealing with glee the entire time.
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and honestly, recently, it was Prince Caspian. I only marginally liked the first and had little interest in going out to see another "so-so" movie. But it really delivered on the premise of the book while improving it and definitely a cut above the first film.
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I poo pooed all over Into the Wild, then I finally saw it and was amazingly surprised at how good it was. Mainly the second hour when Hal Holbroke comes in, he should've won the Oscar for that role. I thought it was going to be another boring Penn movie about an idiot and i was way wrong.
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My wife and actually were sent this by netflix by mistake. And I looked at it, seemed to recall hearing of it here, checked IMDB, and watched it. And Loved it. We both did. A great take on slasher films. Really, a cool little movie.
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yea, kind of. It's movies you expected were crap or not worth the time, but liked or loved.
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My Hand is like a sharkes fin six times in theaters. Granted I was living above it on a military base for a whole summer and movies where free. I was awesome like everytime when Samuel got eaten I would stand in the back and watch the entire audience fly back in their seats.
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Deep Blue Sea is entertaining, as is JP3. <p>I haven't seen Prince Caspian yet.<p>Series7, no I've never read the book. I'll tell you though, the movie was good. Hell, I even liked Dustin in it! And any movie that has a nice orgy scene in it immediately gets a thumbs up from me.
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Another movie I didn't even have a motivation to watch, even as it was starting to play, but won me over in the end. In a big way.
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Sam was yelling about sticking together and shark jumped out and got him. Crowd started clapping.
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Granted, the dogs are better actors than Paul, but still, as a dog-owner I really liked that film. The ending gets me, what can I say.
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My girlfriend of the time and I saw it because Blair Witch was sold out, and we had a great time with it. Of course, Im prob one of the few who wasnt disappointed with Blair Witch when I saw it. <p> Cool thing about DBS is that it twisted convention just enough to be surprising as a jump out and get ya movie.
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Almost as bad as his interview with MR Silver when he tried to go all out and impress him with his random bits of film history and how he never got to work for him even though he had tried :( whilst discussing SpeedRacer...... SpeedRacer FFS!!!
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But I'll take The Bone Collector, The Mummy, and Boogie Nights.
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Awesome movie. Me and my gal where in Austin during SXSW and where trying to figure out how to see anything because we didn't plan on being there for SXSW it just happened, and it was cultish on how little info they give you about seeing stuff. Though we signed up on some list and they sent us like nexts years ticket prices about 3 months after SXSW was over, you have to plan like over a year in advance if you want to see things there. Anyways, we saw this creepy guy in a mask walking around, I thought it was for the upcoming Hills Have Eyes sequel and then I found out it was for Behind the Mask. I thought that movie was awesome.
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When he ends up with the fat chick...that part gets me rolling.
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But I was expecting to like it?
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Whether I'm right or wrong, after seeing Miike's Audition at an anime convention, I had no interest in his other output. Seemed like a shock artist. So when I saw Happiness come on the IFC at like midnight on a friday, I was sitting there planning to turn the channel, but was too tired. And then the movie grabbed me and had me laughing in incredulity for the rest of the thing.
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Amy Adams.
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now, don't get me wrong about this, but I knew next to nothing about Iron Man the character, never rated Fav's as a director, and honestly didn't give a shit about seeing it. I came out stunned at how good it was, but I still maintain that if you take RDJ out of it then it wouldn't have been a fraction as good.
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After seeing Batman With A Vengeance, and that Jane hasn't done anything I've liked since Deep Blue. I've decided that Aaron and Thomas need to just merge into one great actor instead of two so-so actors.
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But avoid Visitor Q like the fucking plague. I can't stress this enough. If you want Miike the shock merchant then Visitor Q is really him on his "A" game
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I don't know if anyone remembers, but most werent expecting much from this when it was released. There was a feel that Damon was shooting his career in the foot. Myself and a bunch of friends went to see Woo's Windtalkers, which I was personally more interested in, and the level of disgust we felt for that one prompted us to go try and wash the taste out with Bourne. And thankfully, our decision was a good one.
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Without RDJ you just got a suit running around, I'm pretty sure that it was like a Cast Away movie in that there weren't any other actors in that movie.
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I know that Carpenter's is a reimagining, but the remake is not fit to lick the boots of Carpenters. I wish fuckers would stop pillaging his back catalogue
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I think minus him it would have been a decent entry into the superhero genre, but with RDJ, he elevated it to upper echelon of the genre. Changed it from a B- movie to a B+/A- movie.
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but I did like Bird People of China, Zebraman and to some lesser extent The Great Yokai War.
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is one that nearly slipped away. <P>I'd add Mars Attacks and There's something about mary. I saw MA stoned to the gills and nearly cried laughing, and was pissed when I saw Mary, but loved both of them.
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You're right, no one expected Damon to pull it off.<p>Wrong.
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I remember seeing the Mike Douglas movie and pretty much going because I was at the theater and had mistakenly thought something else was showing when it wasn't. So I went with this, vaguely knowing director of Seven did it. And the level of entertainment and atmosphere completely blindsided me.
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that doesn't like supremacy. I came out of that with a fucking migraine. In fact, it was so bad I still haven't seen Ultimatum. <P>And they killed Famke. Which just pissed me off. Is Bourne meant to be shagging Julia "shovel face" stiles?
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I wasn't expecting it to be so fun. <p>Plus I fell in love with Dina Meyer. She could call me Johnny Rico.
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Ok. Im kidding..only thing I recall about this was the fact I never saw it and Roger Ebert said in his review that it made him reach for his subway bag so he could regurgitate his veggie burger in it.
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I saw this expecting nothing. And fucking loved it- seedy noirish shit, 3 way with Neve Campbell and Denise Richards, and a truly Barnstorming turn from Bill Murray as the lawyer. Top film.
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I somehow ended up with both of those coming on the same day in Netflicks. I wanted something stupid after watching a bunch of subtitles. I really thought i was going to hate both of these, and I laughed my ass off all the way through both. I decided to give Hot Rod a chance after the Iran skit on SNL, and I don't know why I rented Heartbreak Kid. I wanted to see it, but it has Carlos Mencia who've I've always thought could be funny when he's calm, but his show is an abortion of comedy and I don't want to support him. He was really fucking funny in his small CALM role. Hot Rod I thought was almost a sequel to Zoolander in its comedy, both of those were funnier then crap like Knocked Up and Juno. While Superbad I think also fits into the expecting crap and really liked it.
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MAY OLEG SMILE UPON YOU. <P> http://i36.tinypic.com/mvrmag.gif
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in the last one...prior to his losing his memory.
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to some extent I did know about it, but I was totally unprepared for what we got. <P>That shot at the end with the 2 old women crying on the bench gets me every time.
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makes it eminently watchable.
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I think 2 was OK, and the best. But one and three, didn't like.
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that's probably what caused the memory loss. It was him drinking a bottle of tequila and scouring himself with a wire brush to try to get all traces of her off him.
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Both Babes cout actually. I saw the trailer for the first and mocked it horribly. It got nominated. Istill resisted. When I saw it, I relented and said "good kid's film,nice message." The End. <p> I saw the trailer for the sequel and thought, ick.cash grab. Missed the short short first run, and then went to see it because Siskel put it on his best of list as number one. I didnt go thinking it would be, but Siskel was still alive at that point, but it was known he was sick, and was wondering if he was judgement was off. I saw it with my girlfriend, who was the other major impetus in seeing it, and I came out of that movie the biggest fan. Seriously, it's one of my all time favorites now.
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the sequels? Not so much.
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Better then the book, without the movie I probably wouldn't have even understood the book.
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but like Casino Royale better if one must compare them.<p>Since I'm a dirty pillow, I'd hit shovel face.
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nah- only joking. Complete crap. ANd not fun, either.
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Inexplicably this fell right off the radar, but I saw it because I was meant to see something else and my date refused. <P>Top call by her.
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Loved that movie even if it didn't have the nudity, so it was a bonus to Denise Richards in all her glory.<p> I saw it twice in the theaters.
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No thanks.
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With Hopkins and Barney the bear. Surprised by that one.
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At least they let the bear maul one person.
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Got drug to that one with girlfriend and was blown away. So many good moments in there.<p> My favorite couple was the maid and Colin Firth.<p> I watch it everytime I see it on TNT or USA.
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I sat there stunned about how much money that movie was making and how LAME it looked. Cheesy timid only boring adult humor. Saw it and thought is was yes very timid but it was silly and fun. I think it was mainly because of the Queen, she is just so damn likeable.
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I was like Charlie Sheen and space aliens? No thanks. And then the bendy legs won me over. <p> Same for The Frighteners, which I actually was asked my parents to take my siblings to because somehow we all thought it was a PG Disney-esque movie about Mikey Fox and some cute ghosts. It wasnt until I got to the theater and saw it was R. Luckily it was a second run theater and no one cared what you went to see. That one was a major about-face from expectations. The Grim Reaper. Rotting John Astin. Jake Busey as the serial killer.
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I loved The Arrival when it came out. The whole thing worked for me..him shouting at the kid at the end..the kid doing the bendy leg thing and running away.<p>I haven't seen the Frightners is a looong time, but I remember liking that one too.
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I had just presupposed this one to be garbage. But when I rented it for Halloween, I was surprised by the quality.
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It's just insane. When the dude starts eating everyone else, I was going "what the fuck". And the fact that he's hungry every 10 seconds. <P>I liked the bleak ending. Apparently there is a cube 0 now. Which breaks Jarv's second rule of good cinema: NEver do a prequel.
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there is only like 15 minutes of new film in saw 3. And 4 was just all over the place and didn't make sense, and the kills where just boring and not that bad.
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this is a British thing. Richard Curtis can take his smug, middle class Notting Hill attitude and fuck off, frankly.
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And I've found that all the older romantic comedies are pretty damn good: The Shop Around the Corner, Roman Holiday, It Happened One Night...
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Fuck yeah! More so for the Frighteners, that movie is so fucking good. I'm pretty sure Jackson is my favorite director, and non of the LOTR are in my top five of his movies. He's got the only flawless track record in my book.
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McCutcheon with him, <P>He was great with Ben Elton, but now he's just a hack. <P>Seriously, this is the man that writes the most insipid middle-class romcom shite that these islands produces. And people fucking flock to it.
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Hey I told you they are remaking Worst Week of my life, i was wrong its a show called Kim and Kathy or some shit? Did you see the show the Street?
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fact.
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I've got a meeting now. Probably to get berated for that admin fuckup. If she wasn't hot... <P>See you soon.
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Killing off Jigsaw way too early. He's kind of in Saw 4, i really don't remember that movie, i just know it was terrible and non of the deaths made me even squim in the least. But man that fuck me moment at the end of Saw 1 was classic.
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Did I already type this? Didn't see it above though. Fallen with Denzel was something I suspected was crap, I thought it was just a serial killer movie. But when we went our choices were Phantoms, Hard Rain, Firestorm or Titanic again. <p> So when it started and revealed itself to be a noir about an invisible demon, I was very happy.
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complete, I think.<p>Oh, and because Danny mentioned it above, my wife was watching Bridget Jones again a few nights ago. Those movies blow. Seriously.<p>I'm guilty for liking Notting Hill though.
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Its so funny, like when it rains in England, the Brits don't change a beat. They are still as Happy as always, it was so weird to get used to at first. Granted my neighbor was like a less funny version of John Cleese.
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I thought that would suck. It turns out to be one of my all time favorites, in any genre.
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During the sequence in Mars Attacks when the Martians are bowling Easter Island, blowing up the Taj Mahal and trying to squash boy scouts with the Washington Monument, I'm not sure I ever laughed that hard in the theater.<p>The Bourne movies to me were OK, but not the classics some make them out to be.<p>Pluto Nash could've been worse. Rosario Dawson makes most things better.<p>Heartbreak Kid was entertaining. More than it deserved to be.
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I hadn't read Tolkien since I was a kid and didn't really know how it would translate to try and put that much story on the screen.<p> I was completely blown away with how great it was.<p> I knew it was going to be at the very least an above average film, but wow.<p> Bonus points for most of the crowd not knowing it was one of three movies. At the end they were like "WTF?"
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I know I liked Richochet when it came out. Lithgow was on a roll with this and then Cliffhanger.
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Bridget Jones.... I don't know why. <P> Anyone see Goal! I thought it was going to suck ass and I really liked it...though on the second viewing I hated it?
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because i doubt teh weinstein will do anything but scoff at the notion of an open letter. I think this movie will do well on dvd. dont think itll recoup though
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I was hoping I would like it, and was surprised that I liked Ryan Phillipe in it. Cooper was of course solid yet again.
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When that bad guys says "fetch (pauses...) FETCH!!!"<p> Also the opening moments with the girl on the safety line. High tension.<p> So many funny quotes in that movie:<p> "It's amazing this day and age what a man will go through for his bitch."<p> "Gravity is a bitch aint it?"<p> "It costs a fortune to heat this place (tosses more money on the fire)"
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Fred loved that movie. But Fred not like part 2.
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Did he drop his pencil one too many times?
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But Fred only saw it on cable - did not pay for it.
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Are fucking amazingly awesome movies. The prison sword fight scene with Jesse the Body Venture (not anymore the dudes just a mass now) was amazing. Sometime last year I wanted to make and sell shirts that said John Lithgow is a bad Ass, with his crazy face on the front and a still from the prison sword fight scene on the back, and maybe start of line of blank actor is a bad ass. But I have no idea how to get the rights to use screen shots.
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no don't laugh. I liked it.
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Fred's dog freaks out on the killer sea-lion scene. He tries to attack the TV! Fred has to flip the channel every time that movie is on!
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the first one is an OK Rom-com. Nothing more. The second is a disgrace to celluloid. <P>However, both of them are terrible Bridget Jones movies that do a real disservice to the quite nasty satire of the book. We're meant to think Bridget is a thick, dim, obsessed sloaney cow- she isn't meant to be lovable. <P>The movies totally miss this point.
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That movie was another awesome movie. I always show people that first scene where Sarah Silverman gets her face pounded. Though no one ever wants to sit through the rest, it was such a big opener that it was hard to follow up on and the movie alawys seemed boring, but its pretty good.
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I've got a formal warning for it. Bollocks.
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Fred liked them both. Best Buy or Walmart, Fred not remember which, has Hugh movies in bundle dirt cheap.
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McQuarrie outed Singer in The Way of The Gun- it comes up on the radio at some point. Something like "Famous hollywood director, Bryan Singer discovered to be homosexual"
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aside from the truly, truly fucking awful writing in it, is that the middle/ upper class tossers that he is writing are probably actually his mates. <P>The bastard hasn't a clue what England is like. And Julia Roberts was hopelessly miscast in it.
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so what went wrong with Superman Returns?
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Fred like Notting Hill.
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"I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy, asking him to love her" Is not good writing. On any level. <P>Julia Roberts was miscast because she doesn't have the ability to make you think for a second that she would look at this fucking loser. <P>Curtis is only capable of writing about a pathetic group of people that do not represent the country. I'm privately educated and I don't know a single person that is remotely similar to the chinless wankers he creates. He's a phony, psuedo cunt.
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and It is nothing like what curtis puts on screen. <P>England hasn't been like his vision in about 50 years. He's a cunt.
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But it always struck me that McQuarrie was the talent.
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Rhys Ifans is excellent. <P>If you can, track down Twin Town- which is fucking good fun.
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Liked it, thought it would suck. Though I didn't think it was good enough to warrent letting that guy direct a huge budget movie. <P> Also Notting Hill guy, did he direct Enduring Love? That movie had a good trailer bad movie.
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When this came out onscreen comedy wasn't having it terribly well. And I saw the trailers and snickered, but figured it was crap. Afterall, comedy was in a bit of slump back then. Basketball? Nutty Professor? <p> I didnt even see it at the theater. Caught it on dvd. and LAUGHED LAUGHED LAUGHED.
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No biggie. And not for posting on here- which is amusing. Mind you I'm good enough to cover my tracks. <P>I'm going to lay waste to the disciplinary hearing with my trusty #2.
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Solid movie, Ifans as Eye Ball Paul in Kevin in Perry Go large, even better.
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I'm off to the pub. See you tomorrow.
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You shall never speak ill will of Basketball again! I've got that movie memorized. How can you hate that movie?
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Used to hear the radio spots for this over and over again. With Davies screaming "He was LICKING me!!" I thought it sounded so stupid, and when the posters and soundtrack and all made it look like some shameful psuedo-gore bore, I didnt bother. Especially when it had about two weeks in theaters. When I caught up with it on dvd, I was surprised how much fun it turned out to be.
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Yes, I mean that. <p> I saw the trailers and told my wife it lookd completely unwatchable. <p> Then somehow, it was the very movie my father-in-law wanted to see last Father's Day, so we went. And, to my surprise, I really really liked it. I have it on dvd infact.
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for those of you that remember my company burnt down. They've converted a warehouse into a full office. Only problem is now my screen now faces everyone and my boss sits two feet from me. While its amazing we haven't missed a beat, it sucks having no privacy.
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I thought Ravenous was boring and just dumb. <P> As for Surfs up haven't seen it, want too but I keep putting it off because I think it looks dumb. But I rented Over the Hedge and Bee Moive and was amazed at how good they were. Especially the last 15 minutes of Hedge were mindblowingly crazy. I've been turned off by Dreamworks films for forever (can they not find Bluth anywhere?) Shrek was boring and The Fish one and Zoo one are reasons enough to give up watching cartoons. So I skiped Bee Movie and Over The Hedge, I was way wrong. Hedge is much better, but Bee movie was a lot funnier then the trailer lends it to be, and it makes for a good double feature to Happy Feet, because Jerry the Bee was wrong in the end.
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Or if I did, I apologize for forgetting. Damn. That's pretty good that your company has kept chugging along.<p>The Way of the Gun was forgettable for me, so I don't feel one way or another for it.<p>The Usual Suspects is a great movie.
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Just a great film. I will be re-watching that this weekend -if the rains keep me from riding.
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Don't remember Ryan punching a girl in the face in the first five minutes of Way of the gun? <P> Just watched the directors cut to Payback the other day in like the first 15 minutes Mel punches his wife in the head and that was awesome too, the rest of the movie was not as good as the original cut. Seeing that Mel pretty much made the original cut I trust his judgement over that other guy who's movies save for Payback sucked (direction wise, he's written some good movies).
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Casting was perfect for that movie.
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I had low expectations for that, even though I am an anglophile. I truly loved it. Vinnie and James Brown! You can not go wrong!
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Even though it was not entirely faithful *cough, cough* to the book. But Francesa Annis. Damn, her and Ornella Muti and Monica Belluci they can do no wrong
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I friggin loved the trailers. I love movies like this. I hope it does well !!!!!
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on the Sci-Fi channel, but now I watch it and laugh my ass off. The half-boy-half-rat skit had me rolling.<p> Also the sasquatch ramming the side of the RV was classic.<p> Those people go nuts.
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the flamyboyant guy walking back into the lab, clearly disturbed, but also worried about the rat hybrid's safety.."Are you alright, little, little man?"
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that arent written by tasteless pretenders? Seriously, two days until release, and Latauro's "X-Files is camp" review is what we have been given. It's fine we are hearing rumors about movies years off that might not even be made, but what about some reviews for something with some level of fan investment that is out at the end of the week? <p> And Im not directing this at AICN solely. There is scarcely anything bout this flick? Is this a new marketing technique? Anti-market saturation?
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when that girl went back there and saw the guy with his leg cut off, she offered him a napkin. ONE NAPKIN!!! I cried I laughed so hard.
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That guy gave one of the biggest screams when he saw that rat-boy. My cats ran from the room when turned loose that high-pitched scream.<p> I like how he said he was an animal lover and then he saw rat-boy and it was all "Get A Gun!"<p> Classic.
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When the guy is standing by the wood chipper and the big boss guy comes in and says the victim has seen too much.<p> I swear that guy's bottom lip is quivering.<p> That show kills me.<p> They also get their money's worth from that little actor.
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Also the hitchhiker with the head in a duffel bag. That dude in the back seat started going to town on that dude's noggin when he attacked his buddy driving! The look on his face was so damn funny.
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I am just going to have to come out and admit this. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, is still a favorite movie of mine. I loved it as a kid, and I still do.!
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how bout the one they set up where, if I recall some skater kids are hanging out, and one's friend gets run over by a car(or they had a car and run someone over)but whatever, guy's friend goes down, or pedestrian goes down, and the "victim" just looks at it all and runs far far far way. Just left his friend in a heartbeat. It was a glorious display of cowardice, especially since he wasnt being chased. Just fled.
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where guy hires another to clean out the pool late at night, and all kinds of stuff is swimming in there. Looks like body parts and some reptilian thing. <p> Or the one where Stephen Baldwin shows up as he mob boss, and he expects the "victim" to realize the whole tihng is a hoax because he is Stephen Baldwin and she will recognize, and she doesn't even when he reveals himself as SB she still has this "Who?" look on her face.
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Tactics, is how they get these people these jobs? Like wouldn't they have to go through a fake hiring process and fill out papers and shit? Especially for the lab assisstant job and secratary jobs? I can understand the odd jobs and blue collar work. But you have to be pretty stupid to just start working somewhere and not read any papers about pay and legal rights and all. I wish Tracey Morgan would partake in some of the jokes. Did any of you see his skit making of Punk'D on Jimmy Kimmel called you got Fucked Up? It was funny as shit.
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That was one of my favorite movie cars when I was young. I also had a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang comic book.<p> Good times.
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It was a few years old, yes. Back when Stephen used to be the host of the show. This woman was basically like a nurse for this badly injured guy, and some low level thugs came or something, and wanted to "finish the job" and they were waitig for "Mr. Big" and of course Baldwin turns out to be Mr. Big. <p> Around the same time, there was the ep where someone is taking a big group of teens to a party, and decide to take an abandoned road since the main one is closed down, and they are attacked by vampires, on motorcylces I think, who are driving right next to the van, an dpulling open the door. They also bite big bloody chunks in the driver's neck and then surround the teens. I'm pretty sure they all needed to change their underwear, and most looked like they were prepared for the end.
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Isn't there a broadway musical right now about Chitty Chitty?
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Christopher Walken on Saturday Night Live.<p> When he was on the show that played pranks on people and he really killed the guy in the parking garage.<p> The sound effects guy kept repeating those sounds as the host was freaking out.<p> I nearly shit my pants laughing.
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That sometimes on scare tactics people just don't go apeshit and beat the crap out of the actors?
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MOTHERFUCKER! Goddamn that's a fun as all hell movie and one of the few where the actors used weapons and tactics like they knew what the hell they were doing. It had a slow speed chase and Sarah Silverman getting her shit fucked up by MR. Reese Witherspoon, who was credible as a tough guy, really who knew?<p> Plus it had Sonny Corlione as the bag man and for once he gave a performance that wasn't phoned in. Great one liners, good performances all the way around, friggin fun movie.<p>Way Of the Gun Is a worthy addition to the list of genre films about tough guys.
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But it seems like it is in the UK now and maybe going on world tour?<p> I love that the woman in story is named Truly Scruptious.<p> I keep waiting for a dancer or porn star to use that name.
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I can just see some victim not getting screened for a weapon and that little person getting killed.<p> Or someone honestly beaing scared to death and having a heart attack. Maybe they could put that on the DVD extras.
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but is it true that the whole "assualt" thing with Bale turned out to be filed as "verbal assualt?" I doubted the thing from beginning, but basically, the dude's own mother charged him with verbal assault?? Wha h'ppened???
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when one vampire had climbed onto the side of the van, and was trying to get in, one of the kids kicked her and tried to close the door on her hands. That would have sucked.
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Is a crime in England.
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that there was a bit of time, at least here in the U.S., where it was just detailed as "assault" so everyone gets images of Bale holding his mother upside down over the fire escape and growling " WHERE ARE THE COOKIES?? I KNOW YOU MADE THEM!!! IF I DROP YOU FROM THIS ANGLE, IT WON'T HURT YOUR BAKING HAND!"
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I never noted him as being particularly a dick, or aggressive, but it's not like we are pals, or I really pay much attention to his personal life. <p> Im just glad I don't have to watch Batman and feel guilty because he really beats up elderly people on the side.
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Since he was a kid, and he hasn't fucked up royal yet. Why would he now? He's probably just arrogent with all the success as of late.
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But he really played his part very well in American Psycho. Wouldn't it be funny if he was that much of a prick in real life? Without the homocidal tendecies of course.<p> Wait a sec, it would be funny if had those tendencies.<p> I laughed so hard when he put that nail gun to Chloe's head and when he was pointing to himself while banging that girl.<p> Also when the ATM wanted him to feed it the kitten. God I love that movie for some reason.
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Bale putting on raincoat:" You know mom when Huey Lewis hit his stride I think he finally broke out of the clutches of expectations and finally just started to have fun...(Starts swinging chrome axe around the room)"
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machinist
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the mechanik is well directed.. dolph can handle a scene well enough. <P> and mulholland falls.. or drive.. the one with jenny connelly's boobs.
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I'm English and I can't fucking believe we have a law that states you can't scream obscenities at someone! What the fuck kind of freedom is THAT?!?
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look for "the quiet family" a 98 k-film miike gets all the credit for remaking <P> much better, slow-burn humour.
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I'm sure Nolan brought it up and Bale quickly stopped him mid-sentence and reminded him that he only had one sidekick and it was the one he slams into Batman groupies.<p> I kid though, because for all I know he is a nice guy behind closed doors.<p> I'm sure it is a pain to be rich and famous in the fact that it would be hard to find true friends and not remoras sucking to your fame.
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I too hate that smug twat and all his foppish, upper-middle-class-gosh-isn't-life-simply-ripping bollocks. I mean, I don't subscribe to a Mike Leigh, Secrets-And-Lies view of England either - and I think Shane Meadows gets the very roughest end of working class English life EXACTLY right - but, to me, living in a working class area but educated at a private school (Assisted Places pupil - I pass a local government exam, they pay my fees to private school), no-one has ever got it right. The Curtis films feel too twee and sterilised, too nicey nicey, and I think stuff like Leigh's "Naked" and Meadows' "This is England" go too far in the miserabilist direction. The most accurate stuff from my perspective are the shitty comedies found on BBC3 and the Paramount Comedy channels over here: TWO PINTS OF LAGER AND A PACKET OF CRISPS, TIME GENTLEMEN PLEASE, TITTYBANGBANG. Working class humour at its bawdy, warm-hearted best.<P> Oh, and LVOE ACTUALLY - exactly WHY is it great? What the fuck actually happens in it? Hugh Grant's PM bumbling like Hugh Grant always fucking does, chasing the foul-mouthed-for-comedy-effect (like ALL the fucking dialogue in VICAR OF DIBLEY) McCutcheon. Wow. Alan Rickman not-quite-cheating with his ugly secretary. How.. umm... average. Kris Marshall in five separate scenes essentially saying "I'm gonna get laid! By sexy American chicks!". nope, they'll call your accent "cute" and laugh at your sub-standard, English teeth. Bah. Only Bill Nighy gets a free pass, and even he's stilted, boring and not that interesting. In fact, fuck all happens in LOVE ACTUALLY, and I don't care if Keira Knightley does marry the Operative from SERENITY and grin like Stan Winston's Alien Queen, that movie is shit from top to bottom. Yes, even the Colin Firth and foreign nanny bits. FUCK. ALL. HAPPENS. And by God is it boring.<P> Only adding Al Murray's Pub Landlord could have made that movie bearable.
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And it's the best thing Kylie Minogue has ever done either. Yes, even better than STREET FIGHTER.<P> BIO DOME rocks. As do JOE DIRT, BUBBLE BOY (bet this isn't on Jake Gylenhaal's CV these days), BASEKETBALL (ROADKILL: CAUGHT ON CAMERA. I fucking wept with laughter!), THE NEW GUY, and the daddy of all under-rated comedies, the sublime OFFICE SPACE. Every second in that movie is comedic perfection. IDIOCRACY was pretty damn funny too.
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Dolph is pretty damn good in DARK ANGEL (I believe it was called I COM IN PEACE in the US). And I loved him in the so-shit-it's-awesome JOHNNY MNEMONIC, which was like a shit dry-run for THE MATRIX wwithout the intelligence or the talent. Batshit crazy movie. But it does have Henry Rollins, Dolph Lundgren, Ice-T, and the incredibly sexy Dina Meyer in it. Was I the only guy who got pissed off that they **SPOILER AHOY** killed Dina Meyer off in STARSHIP TROOPERS but not Denise Richards? For fuck's sake!
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I want. A TEN thousand dollar a NIGHT HOOKER!
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Especially when he was singing old McDonald while setting up his shot on the guards talking to Gabrial Byrne outside the ship. "....On his farm he SHOT some dudes, Ei, Ei Ooh...""<p>Didn't Baldwin become a christer or something? Dipped in the blood of the lamb and all?
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July 23, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST
which baldwin was in the threesome movie with sherilin fenn?
by ironic_name
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once again, if this TB is locked, feel free to go to the zone to discuss shit snipes, van damm an' trejo movies. <P> http://tinyurl.com/562ut2
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Now that is humor. I'll need to look it up on Youtube, that shit has to ahve been posted there.<p>DGDB: I was cruising through the titles on the Batman TB and opened the one Samsquanch mentioned me. I'll run across him at some point and tell him what's up. Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it.<p>I see you're arguing with Node again and what is that USC dudes problem? I didn't read his posts because I haven't seen the movie.
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Dude, I lived in England for three years. I guess the people that talk about Shane Meadows being the real england grew up in the geotto, or are paki? Most of the time in England it was like those other bright and sunny movies. In fact England is so nice I almost got kicked out of private (the british version of public) school for having a bully pack. But at the same time the same kid I picked on a lot sent me a get well card when I broke my arm? I'd say for the best representation of british lifestyle watch the TV mini series The Street, its very good to boot. Well I'm off to marks and sparks to get me some Hula Hoops and Monster Munch. Then me and me mates are going to catch a movie at the cinema, its gonna be well wicked. MAN U!!!!!!!
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I agree about killing off Dina Meyer instead of that block of wood Denise Richards. Although I think that comes from the book. I could be wrong though, I haven't read Starship Troopers in years. Why didn't they use the battle suits is my question. Those suits were cool as hell.
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July 23, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST
I posted this over in the TDK thread but I'll post here
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
If there are any CoC'ers on the east coast who want some Asian movies, contact me in the Zone with a mailing address. I was cleaning out a closet last night and came across stacks of discs I burned when I didn't have a region free player and had to rip the movies I rented to remove the region coding so I could watch them on my region specific DVD player. I'll mail them out free of charge.
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Well if he went to The University of Spoiled Children, that Ghetto fabulous school, he would be full of shit. Although they do have a great football team I'll give'em that.<p>Once you go to the, "I just had sex" card or threaten to kick somebodies ass on an annonymous website, you've proven yourself to be a tool of the highest order. Did he play the living in the parents basement card also? You know, the single most overused insult on the interwebs.
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I hit the enter button before I wrote this. The reason I added the _2 to my name so I could write the following sentence. Drop the duce Danny just drop it!
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I typed in Stephen Baldwin Christian and got a whole slate of awesome videos.<p> And yes, the skatebaording was on there.<p> Wow, you would think they would know how dated some of those saying are.<p> Rad? I haven't used that word since someone asked the what the single greatest movie featuring a boy and girl at a dance on bicycles was.
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I don't really get the zone? Do i need to make another account or what?
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Something about going back to drinking lite beer and eating Cheetos in your parents basement. That was a real eye roller.
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All you need to do to create an account in the Zone is enter a user and pass. I suggest you use your user here for simplicity. And I'll get that stuff out to you pronto.
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I still love The Usual Suspects but he's gone off his nut. Almost as bad as Kirk Cameron with his Way of the Master nonsense.
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It reminds me of one of the few really laugh out loud bits from Dogma, when the Church updated Jesus as Buddy Christ. That was funny, they made him look like a hitchiker, now that's humor.
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Nah, it's not the "I'm harder than Ray Winstone" thing. At least, not from me - maybe other Brits.<P> It's just that I am working class, raised (and currently living in) working class areas, and they're never adequately represented in British cinema. You either get the grim-as-hell Northern dystopian movies like KES, NAKED, anything by Mike Leigh, or the daddy of all grim Northern dramas, the horror show THREADS - or you get the cheeky chappy Cockney crime dramas, your LOCK STOCKS, THIS YEAR'S LOVE etc. Shane Meadows at least approximates, better than anyone else, the speech, the slang, the attitudes, the background... I do share an East Midlands heritage with Shane (we grew up less than 20 miles away from each other) so maybe it's regional, but he seems to be the most authentic. It's not a pissing contest - Mike Leigh's Northern stuff is bleaker (especially NAKED) and you can't beat Manchester, Liverpool or Leeds for criminal squalor (I hate to admit it, but SHAMELESS is also pretty accurate as regards working class life, and it's as Mancunian as they come) so it's not a case of me wanting to be seen as an 'ard bastard. I mean, I live up the road from Nottingham, which is fairly bad for gun crime, but not a patch on the Mancs or the Scousers.<P> As for the upper-class life, which I tasted as a working-class boy at an upper-class boarding school paid for by an Assisted Place... I hate to say it, but the HARRY POTTER movies pretty much nail the boarding school experience. Obviously minus pretty much all the negatives - where I went, if it were more realistic, Draco would be raping Potter while Crabbe and Goyle were holding him down, and that's NOT an exaggeration - but the sense of history, the way it's filmed, the relationships between the characters - all spot on for the boarding school experience. Honourable mentions must go to IF... (which is an anarchist classic, as well as a bang-on representation of boarding school life) - I know EXACTLY how McDowell felt at the end! - and DEAD POETS SOCIETY (hey, I was in a poetry and literature society, they are JUST like that). By and large, life in the UK is more sweetness and light than dark and gritty (despite what the media would have you think) and Noel Clarke's movies (KIDULTHOOD / ADULTHOOD) are more a way to feed the Daily Mail negativity media than a true representation of the UK today. But I haven't seen a moderate working-class movie that accurately depicts what the working class that AREN'T scum get up to. I know plenty of no-hoper skanks who behave EXACTLY like the Gallaghers in SHAMELESS, and I know plenty of middle/upper class twats who aspire to be as pathetic as those scrotes, but as to average working class Midlanders who enjoy life without wanting to rob each other or get high every night, there's no real representation at all. Shane Meadows is the closest you'll get.<P> Being English (or British - I'm not precious) is a curiously schizophrenic thing you find yourself apologising for a lot. But no, I don't want you guys thinking I'm trying to portray my life in the big hard white ghetto or anything. If anything, it's depressingly middle-of-the-road in all ways.
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They're tasty! Right now though I would kill to have an In-N-Out Burger Double Double and a strawberry shake. Or a Pizza.
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Damn I screwed that one up.
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I've not seen MILLIONS, though I have to admit I liked the look of it. Danny Boyle seems quite good at nailing the working-class character - Ewan McGregor in A LIFE LESS ORDINARY is very much the working class guy who isn't a scumbag. I think the middle-middle-class is very over-represented if you watch BBC1 sitcoms over here - stuff like 2 POINT 4 CHILDREN, MY FAMILY, ONE FOOT IN THE GRAVE, WAITING FOR GOD... all very middle-class and twee.<P> It's funny how touchy we Brits are about what class we perceive ourselves to be in, and what we want others to perceive us as. I always thought one of the most astute observations on class in this country was COMMON PEOPLE by Pulp - the lyrics to that song are bang-on. There is a set of people - Rhys Ifans is a very good example, as is crack twat Pete Doherty - who are rolling in money, stinking filthy rich, yet wander around looking like tramps and completely disregarding personal hygiene. I will never understand why the upper class have a fascination with being working class - or why the working class are so keen to live down to the stereotype given in SHAMELESS when they could aspire to better. I try to aspire to beter behaviour, but I'm not ashamed of my working class heritage - even though I feel like an outsider having spent the ages 11-16 around upper class people more than working class.<P> Man, it's confusing up in my head. I yam what I yam, that's all that I yam. Cug yug yug.
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No I'm not in Iraq that was my previous deployment and where I got dinged up a little bit.<p>Foods pretty good, can't really bitch about it, its just that I want a double double. I've been thinking about one for the last week or so. I'm a big fan of In-N-Out, its one of few fast foods I'll eat. The other ones being Fat Burger and Tommy Burger.<p>Have you ever been to the orginal Fat Burger on La Cieniga south of the Beverly Center? That place is fun to eat at. You got everybody throwing the hairy eyeball at each other. Good times.
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No I could say if I wanted to. Its just that I choose not to due to the fact that there are some extreme knuckle heads on a TB and I can't defend myself from pointy headed attacks. I'll give it up in late September when I'm back if you want, or if your on the zone email me. I'm Xiphos there also.<p>And a good night to you sir I'm off to bed.
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Contact me in the Zone and I'll get some movies out to you too.
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A lot of people here are giving you shit. I think this open letter is cool.
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You are a true patriot of the CoC!
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Millions is a nice little movie BTW...
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Not any of the CoC members...we appreciate Mori's letter, and we are looking forward to the movie as well.
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for this site.
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Talkbackers are right on this one, Moriarty. You could spend 5000 hours talking about quality, audience, writing, characterization, style, art, substance, dimension, detail, skill, craft, intelligence, sophistication, beauty ... and it would mean absolutely nothing to this man. It would mean less than nothing. Harvey Weinstein has throughout his career made it clear that he cares SO little about the creative process and about creative people that he would gladly not even RELEASE the most artistic film ever made if it meant he'd make ten cents more for his studio by doing so. <p> I do want to commend you for caring so deeply about a film that you'd write this letter, but you'd be better served by coming up with a way to convince him this can make money. <p> The tough part about that, of course, is that if the trailers are to be believed it doesn't look like it can. The budget looks SUB Sci-Fi channel, and the sets and costumes smack of Uwe Boll's BLOODRAYNE. <p> You criticize us for having a defeatist attitude, but it's there for a reason. Genre fans like us have learned two hard lessons - studios DESPISE us so much they grit their teeth 'til blood comes out when someone suggests a genre picture be made (unless it can be 'sold' as something else - "Don't think of it as fantasy - think of it as hot guys in fetish theme gear! The gay crowd will LOVE it!" - LORD OF THE RINGS) and the rest of the world LAUGHS at us (unless they're watching the hot guys in LORD OF THE RINGS). <p> I know you think that I say this stuff to sound smart, but it's not the case. I just recognize this movie has NO chance of making money. Not even a little chance. None. You could put this in 3000 theaters and you'd get $4m on the opening weekend. You could advertise it all summer. At the end of the day, Mori, the cost is going to outweigh ANYONE's interest, and it'll make its budget back straight to DVD. In fact, if Harvey is smart, he won't even bother with those 50 theaters and will put it straight to video.
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Im always up for some free dvds. Not a member of the COC though. Maybe in spirit perhaps?
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Don't let anyone make you think different. It's what I miss about this site. Harry's blatant pimping of his friends mediocre movies is insulting. This site used to be about finding that unknown gem that none of us knew about and bringing some light to it. You did just that and I can tell you I will definitely watch this movie in whatever form when it comes out.
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If your still there, I just saw Sir Paul Giamatti on the best late night show Jimmy Kimmel and he mentioned some Brit movie he made with Beno called Thunderpants. Please send me a copy of this. A thank you.
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I'd never heard of OUTLANDER and now that I have I'm going to check it out. It might be good. Who knows? But trying to suggest Harvey Weinstein could find it in himself to care even for a split-second about the creative process or people or ANYTHING beyond $-signs is foolish to say the least. Harvey Weinstein isn't a human being, even. He's proved with his "creative" decisions thar he's a soulless beast being whipped by Corporate Masters. He has no mind of his own, no soul and no spirit. And there's no way this could open in more than 50 theaters because of that.
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Dude, you've got to see THUNDERPANTS for one reason and one reason alone. The movie sucks horribly except for this one thing, - it features Rupert Grint aka Ron Weasley doing what I consider to be the honest-to-god most hilarious impression of Tom Waits as Renfield from DRACULA. I swear to god, if I ever meet Rupert Grint, I am going to ask him if it was on purpose, because it just HAS to be intentional. See the movie and tell me if I'm right. Spymunk@gmail.com Also, check out my blog: www.spymunk.blogspot.com. PLEASE comment - comments are welcome!
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I believe that the power of Ron "the Penguin" Cey keeps GRL(tm) at bay. The power of the penguin can't be denied. Even if he played for the evil LA Dodgers
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basically like this main area, only you have to do it again, but in the zone you can post pictures.
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I put this in the Batman talkback- The law actually is Simple/ Common Assault which is (I think) section 47 of the CJA- basically, the law states that you are guilty if you intentionally cause the apprehension of immediate physical harm. It's very rarely used as battery/ ABH happen far more often.
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Good work fellas. I'm back on quota time so can't help out.
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Awesome film- especially the performance from Edward Woodward. Is it wrong to actually want the uptight prick burnt at the stake?
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Die in fire Curtis, you smug fucking twat.
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It's about accurate representations. I've got a similar background to the tubor, and have mixed in all parts- but there's something about his smug aristo tosspieces that I find personally offensive. Partly because it perpetuates the myth of the English as floppy haired stuttering nobheads and partly because the moaning they do about inconsequential problems does not represent the reality most of us face. <P>The absolute best balance I've ever seen was in The Full Monty. It hit the line between urban misery and lower middle class life spot on.<P>And Thunderpants is shit. Avoid. <P>
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Spud, what fucking school did you go to? I went to a posh boarding school and in 5 years I can't remember a single incident of homosexuality. Mind you, it was co-ed by the time I was there and plenty of that shit happened in the past.
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Shallow Grave is also a fucking good indication of how young professionals actually live
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or maybe they do. I don't know.
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Quota kicked in again.
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Again?
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Quota time and a fucking disciplinary in the same day. How shit.
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I'm not doing any work- just gazing out the window.
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Is the bird watching good out that window? Glad you have good weather I sure as shit don't.
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Probably mean my AP clerk and credit and collections chick won't be wearing nice tops today.<p>Damn.
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080723/REVIEWS/1651704 <p> It seems to me that Ebert has a better view of the whole thing that the review here. Yes, I know he has been quite positive lately, but at least here I get an actual feeling for what the movie is, and is about. It sounds good to me, regardless of Ebert's personal comments on it.
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I probably won't see this in the theater, but it'll be a quality rental it seems.
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Jonah, just create an account in the Zone and I recommend using the same user and pass as you do for the TBs to limit confusion. Send me your mailing address and I'll get some movies out to you as your commitment to excellence and knowledge of B-movies has been an inspiration.<p>Pillow, I'll get your package out to you on Monday and it'll be sent overnight.
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X-Files trailer do they say "Sexy"! Is that going to drawn more people? X-Files may be a sleeper hit but I don't see it doing more then 70 mil. Especially with a William Farrell comedy that actually looks funny (watch the red band trailer, it really does).
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You can also send me an e-mail at my spam account, but just put something good in the subject line so I know it's you. I haven't logged in for a couple years so I hope it's still active.<p>grumpy_is_good@yahoo.com
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I live in Maryland, is that a problem? Ill drop some B-goodness in the subject line...
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If it makes 70 mil, which might be alot, depending on who comes out for this, then it will be in good shape. It only cost 30 mil to make.
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it starts off lame...but picks up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBIp8uv58I
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Seems X-Files is going the psychic route, what great or just greatly wierd movies revolve around psychics? Favorites? <p> Me, I'm voting The Dead Zone.
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I cant see youtube right now. What is it a trailer for?
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But we were discussing Mel Gibson movies at work, and we honestly couldn't think of a movie of his that we didn't like. Like I don't think he's made a bad movie. Maybe you didn't like Leathal Weapon but it was still damn entertaining.
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I'm saying 70 mil at best, but it could also do only 20 mil. They need to play up the David D more, he's really popular right now. Only X-Files fans remember Scully, though she was on Leno the other night.
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Due to my current office situation I can't read this entire thread, only small amounts at a time. But are you giving away a bunch of movies? Like do you have a list?
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With Mel, I'd argue "What Women Want", "Lethal Weapon 4", "Forever Young" but at the same time none of those were terrible. Most people don't know it, but Million Dollar Hotel wasn't really that great either.
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Soon my turn to the darkside will be complete....
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I have a bundles of movies at home and right now I can't remember any specific titles as they've been sitting in a closet for the past 6 months. But there will be a lot of stuff in there like Public Enemy, Running Wild, Welcome to Dongmokgol, A Bittersweet Life, Mr. Socrates, Arahan, Typhoon. Basically stuff that's a few years old but that even the most fluent Asain movie fans will have missed. And I'm willing to send it out to you, free of charge.<p>Jonah, Maryland is fine. Hell, I'm willing to send some out to Danny and that SOB lives in California.
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I would definitely agree with Jonah on LW4 and Forever Young. However, I'll give a slight pass to What Women Want because of Helen Hunt.
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If you have a DVD player that can play DIVX/AVI/MPEG files then I can triple the amount of movies I can send you.
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I didn't like LW3&4, but I'm one of the few guys who will defend What Women Want. When it comes to romcoms, I'm sucker for anything that doesn't sink to Failure to Launch or Maid In Manhattan levels.<p>I never saw Passion so I can't comment.<p>But with Mel we have the Mad Max stuff, LW1&2, Payback, We Were Soldiers and of course as I have declared my creepy love for lately, The Patriot and Apocalypto. And his voiceover in Chicken Run was great. And if I remember corrrectly Conspiracy Theory was pretty good.<p>He does have some dreck on that resume though.
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is better movies than that patronising garbage. <P>Although I do always laugh when he accidentally electrocutes himself.
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C'mon fellas, get the lead out.<p>I'm not sure if there's an actor/filmmaker with a perfect track record. Personally, Ridley Scott and Michael Mann come reeeeeeally close. Maybe one misstep a piece in my book.
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Michael Mann made Ali, which proved it is possible to make a dull film about one of the twentieth century's most charismatic men. Damn you, Michael Mann.<p>I want to say something nice, but I just saw The Dark Knight and I have very little that's nice to say.<p>Um... Megan Fox has a wonderful, wonderful midrif. That'll have to do.
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And Ali really was bland and uninteresting.
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Though I did promise Danny Boy that I'd give Miami Vice another shot at some point.
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I liked Typhoon and Arahan(though maybe a bit too silly). I play everything on my PS3, so those are my limitations now.
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I didn't hate Ali, I just found it wasn't very engaging. But Thief, Manhanter, Mohicans, Heat, The Insider and Collateral, that's a damn fine resume. I left off Miami Vice because that was his misstep for me.
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(And it really, really annoyed me) I still think Diablo Cody has some talent. All she needs to do is dial it down a bit. If you want people to know how clever and funny you are, just be clever and funny and people will figure it out for themselves. If you keep shouting "HEY! CHECK OUT HOW SMART AND FUNNY I AM!!", people will just want you to shut the fuck up.<p>I look forward to whatever she does next, even if Juno did make me want to throw squashed up pop cans at a fictional character.
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Though the ending of Collateral bothers me to no end. Sorry, but there's no way Tommy boy gets offed by cab driver.
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Someone to Watch Over Me is pretty sucky. I didn't care much for Black Rain. Thelma and Louise also wasnt much to write home about. White Squall was forgettable. Hannibal was pretty weak. A Good Year had it's moments, but didnt go anywhere really. G.I.Jane? Yea, there are some less than awesome gigs on Ridley's list.
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Which I suppose sums up my experience of that one.
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overlooked classic that one.
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to the 1000s. I think that's a realistic goal at this rate.
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During the third act of Matchstick Men, I really would like to have punched Ridley Scott, while he still had one of his fat cigars in his mouth, so it got all splayed out across his face like in a cartoon or somesuch. That film has such an ugly and onvious twist. I sat through that film, mostly enjoying, with my fingers crossed, saying a silent prayer of "Don't do it, don't do it", but then they went and fucking did it. Bastards.<p>If you've seen the film, you know what I mean.
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If I had my mobile phone bat sonar with me, I would not have made that typo.
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Yea, I meet several who really like Black Rain, but me personally, I thought it was just o.k. though I had hoped for more after seeing that it was Mike Douglas and Ridley "Bladerunner" Scott. It's been about 15 years since I saw it though, so maybe it's time for a new look at it.
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I'm going to assume the PS3 can play every type of file then.<p>I'll e-mail you back with titles so I don't send you stuff you've already seen.<p>I stand corrected. After looking at IMDB, Ridley Scott has a few missteps so I guess that puts him in the same category as Senior Spielbergo.<p>Day-Lewis has a pretty impressive resume. Then again, he chooses his roles carefully and infrequently so he has less to critique than say, Harrison Ford.
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You are right. Matchstick Men was heading down the path of Ridley greatness. That third act munged it up, but didn't kill it for me. It's still 2/3rds of a great movie.
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not great. It felt heaviy unbalanced.