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John Connor is pissed...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with one of the preview pics from TERMINATOR: SALVATION that Entertainment Weekly grabbed for their Comic-Con edition of the mag. In it we see what appears to be John Connor getting up in a broken terminator's grill after throwing his helicopter on the poor metal sumbitch.
This is a weird project... I know, I'm being Captain Obvious there, but I've heard rumor about a 65 foot tall T-800 that I haven't been able to confirm... but I also haven't been getting any denials, either. Also, nothing in the trailer or in this pic really feels like Terminator to me. Maybe that's a good thing...
But Christian Bale as John Connor is a great move and here's hoping the rest of the project lives up to Bale's gold standard.
Here's the pic. Click to make big.
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Not too optimistic about it. doesn't help that I read the spoiler...
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about this thing
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Too bad this is a McG project..
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Hope he can pull this one off
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the laryngitis again
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This and the trailer have started to turn me around on this McG character. So far it's visually compelling, and strikes a good tone. This with Star Trek is going to rule next may!
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for a destroyed world, then again T2 also had them so i guess they found an abandoned military warehouse or something
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And the lighting won't be that blue filter that set the tone of the "future" in all the previous films.
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8 years. Wish the anger would subside.
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the resistance should fight the terminators with normal guns at first and then use the laser ones from the fallen endoskeletons
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wouldnt the terminator be able to throw the chopper off...SUPER STRENGHT
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even with the sound off, the teaser was OK as far as "Exterior - Desert; Day" shots go. If the leaked travesty ending is a hoax (and hopefully it is - or I predict a riot), we could have a fine post-apocalyptic Terminator movie come 2009.
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for a change as long as it's done right, the night scenes made by cameron are hard to top, so im willing to give McG a chance on daylight
And the suit has a nice detail, look at the boot, he's holding it together with some kind of Rubber band, cool! the future soldiers should look kinda poor and like they are trying to make due with what they can find in a desolated world -
Does that include "Newsies"?
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I'm starting to trust Bale. Hope McG can pull it off. I don't need to see every still released though. How many T4 talkbacks do we need?
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I think Terminator would benefit from some '09 daylight CGI treatment a la Transformers/Dark Knight... why not? Make it feel like a gritty military sci-fi grunt story, without the obvious BS of "it's totally rain, totally dark" that defined all SF movies from Blade Runner to Matrix
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that's a good lesson retained from Aliens or Starship Troopers: lasers aren't menacing. Or even badass.
However, I wonder how some pre-war rifle can magically harm a T-800 endoskeleton after Judgement Day. Hope they adress the issue with some badass-yet-trivial bit of geek stuff. -
because it was supposed to be nuclear winter or something? I didn't think daytime existed after judgement day
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I worked on the pre-production phase in LA and everything I've heard so far from Albuquerque, NM is good.
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Is Christian Bale in this film for a great deal? The last I heard he was a minor character that would build to a larger role in sequels. I know he is john connor I just don't know the extent he is actually in the film. Saving him for sequels is kind of wishful thinking in my mind. I think you'd need him in there to guarantee a sequel. so if anyone knows please post, thanks.
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the presence of McShit and the pussy-13 rating.
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and he can't carry a film by himself. Sorry, he can't. Not unless he's stepping into an iconic role anyone will pay money to see - ie, Batman.
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McGAY.....
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has not seen American Psycho or the Machinist.
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and hate it for all it's worth because my assuming it is being done by a "hack" director means it will suck balls.
OR...I could actually wait until i'm sitting in a darkened theater watching the end credits that I form my opinion. Yeah, that sound perfectly rational to me. -
so I for one am glad they went for the good actor (perhaps to butter up the fans, but still...) rather than the "action hero". He is excellent as Bruce Wayne/Batman so there's no reason he wouldn't bring some tough guy attitude to JC.
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in Terminator 1 Kyle said something like this to sarah
"You stay down by day...but you can move at night, you still have to be careful cause the hunter killers use infrared"
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I dunno , this seems to me that it could go either way reeeeeeeeal easy . We could have a lot of real android asswhippin fun ! Or it could be like watching that Terminator Tv show...
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if by going how they practically were moving through rubble and living in holes in T1 how it would be in daylight hours. cripes
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i mean come on. but a blue bandana and some more hair and stubble and you have snake from the ps and ps2 games. it's perfect.
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were not box office successes. I know they weren't trying to be, but still, in terms of carrying a movie that makes a ton of money, I still stand by my statement. Bale is a fine actor, but lacks the charisma to carry a non-iconic role. Outside of Batman, what's his most successful film, financially?
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like i said in another talkback.....if i had a dollar for every retard that says PG-13 is pussy or that any good action movie has to rated R to be good, id be rich...... rated R is overated
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or one of the two Coreys.
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Jul 19, 2008 12:02:04 AM CDT
slkboxrman - I agree that R doesn't mean automatically good
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but it's supposed to be a future war movie. And any PG-13 war movie misses the point of the whole warfare aspect. It's supposed to be gross, bloody and disturbing. I'm sure that if you disagree you can pick a few PG-13 war movies to prove me wrong, but still...
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was very stupid. Christian Bale can't carry a movie on his own? Asshole, this guy is just starting out (as a star, not as an actor), and his most recent starring role is going to make over $100 million in one weekend.Furthermore, the argument could be made that John Conner is a character with a similar built in audience, albeit not as large a one.
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It's not. Batman Begins was a success because it was a more serious take on the story. Christian Bale didn't make the movie any better or worse with his performance. The Dark Knight isn't even his movie - it's Heath Ledger's, and from what I've read, to a lesser extent Aaron Eckhart's. Bale just happens to be the title character in a movie with people much more interesting than him.
IMO, his best role in a film was as that magician in The Prestige, because he played a less-charismatic stage performer to Hugh Jackman, which was actually true, considering Bale is the better actor, but a less charismatic one.
I'm only speaking of his potential boxoffice marketability, not his acting skills. Bale is a fine actor with less charisma than you'd like for a leading man in an action film - same goes for Edward Norton. -
Will Smith -- all smiles and charm. Bale is more brooding and serious, but that doesn't mean he can't carry a film; he's been carrying films since he was thirteen. In Empire of the Sun he was Dakota Fanning with a cock (as I believe Variety presumptively called him.) Slkboxrman, if you like cut-aways before bullet hits or soldiers talking like sewing circles then take your PG-13 action films. I have higher standards.
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You had me at Dakota.
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McG made "Charlie's Angels" He also made "We Are Marshall" I know nobody gives two *%$#('s about Marshall University because it's a small school and it's in West Virginia. This is fact. However, most of the people I talk to who lived in Huntington, think this is a damn good movie. I am one of them. He knows tragedy. Terminator, at it's highest level, is a tragedy...one involving all of mankind. It will work.
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As a fun- although not THAR original - sci-fi film with some suprisingly good scenes Ex: When Bale's character first discovers music.
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can mean a lot of different things. I can make a home movie starring just myself and a pet turtle, does that mean I "carried" the film?
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im willing to give him a chance with this movie, based only the teaser!
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if Christian Bale was a pro wrestler, he'd be a mid-carder, not someone you'd put on as the main event of the night to draw in crowds. That says nothing of his acting ability, just his charisma and box office potential.
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lmao, I thought the same thing. I'm like, damn, Elian's making a cameo?
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the same thing about Clooney pre-Perfect Storm. Before that movie his box office record was shit; even good movies like Out of Sight and Three Kings bombed. Fact is, no actor is a box office draw -- until they are. They just need that one big movie to open the doors.
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Jul 19, 2008 1:50:03 AM CDT
This trailer got gasps at my theater
by the guy who slept through everything.
Don't know if that was good or bad, BUT. That T-800 got OWNED!!!1
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superman, wolverine.. solid snake losers
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Everything the man has done so far shows comitment and hard work invested. I really dont think that the guy will sign on for a suckfest. And that asshat that said Bale cant carry a movie is an idiot hater, he is as close to a hollywood action star as Hugh Jackman wanted to be...hehe. I was pissing and moaning about this project too until I seen the trailer...now I am only slightly worried, the cause...McG. And iconic_name....Bale would be a great Solid Snake.
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"But this is not the future my mother warned me about" So now they don't have to worry about continuity anymore. Just make sure to send those pesky Terminators back in time to only make sure something like that happens and then... Ah fuck, I just want a movie with explosions and robots and lots of mayhem. I still wonder why Mike Bay wasn't available.
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you don't take R franchises and make them Pg-13. enjoy your good action Die Hard 4.
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now THAT would be AWESOME!
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Damn You Michael Bay
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I've enjoyed All Terminator movies to varying degrees. I think McG may make a very enjoyable series here. I am not sure what context the daylight scenes come in but seeing Terminators in broad daylight is ok by me. Fuck it. As long as Kyle Reece isn't blasted into the 1980's by a Nuked Fridge, I'm happy to watch.
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I thought Edward Furlong was back for a second. Phew!
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Jul 19, 2008 3:27:47 AM CDT
Is McGarbage still attached to this? And still PG-13?
by motoko kusanagi
Then I AM pissed, folks!
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The only reason anyone including myself is giving it credit
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a more realistic edge. Camerons films were fantastical entertainment. These new movies will be message movies.
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Thank god for some daylight action. I was so sick of "It's always nighttime in the future" movies.
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Seriously, this film is looking better and better by the day. I was flabbergasted that McG was the top choice for the job, but now I've seen the trailer and heard bits of the story - and now seen Bale in action - I can safely say that I'm there on opening weekend. The one thing we've always wanted to see was the future wars. I remember just before T2 came out and I'd heard Cameron's script originally had a 45 minute sequence in the future, but this got cut back due to budget contraints. So now, finally, we're gonna get to see the future in all its post-apocalyptic glory!
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It'll be in the scene that takes place in Super Mario Bros. 3, world 4.
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Christian Bale better watch out now that he's on top of the world. Fanboys love to knock down the people they praise after the fact. OH YEAH! It's human nature, but Fanboys seem to excel. Once Bale has left Batman behind him I'll be reading posts like he is a hack or overrated. How I love Fanboys. And for the new Terminator film. Rock on! Can’t wait to see it. And I love the TV show as well so there fatboy…errrrr…I mean Fanboy. And yes! Both can exist at the same time and no they don’t have to have storylines in common. I can say this because I’m not an anal retentive fanboy.
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http://tinyurl.com/689t2s
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For a very brief moment -- that claw that comes crashing down through the roof of a building, and it grabs someone. Is that it? Maybe it's not a giant version of a T-800, but another Terminator model series.
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http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/12/3/1622277/35FootNator4.jpg
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thats a damn good movie still. This film could be badass after all.....
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Cool pic. As to Quints worry about this not feeling like a terminator film: isn't the old "one sent to kill him. one sent to save him." wearing a bit fucking thin for you already? T3 was a crock of shite BECAUSE they were deperate to make yet another "Terminator" film. It's just too obvious. I hope this is a Resistance Vs Terminators film with NO good terminators.
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Mc G.
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I remember watching the arnie movies in the theather here in mexico, even without my parents and I know that R means you have be with an adult or a guardian, and I don't remember them being really gros. But if today R standard are movies like saw and hostel I'm fine with pg13, i dont want any robot torture porn i had enough with the last sequence of wall-e
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I'm stepping off plant mode right now, I mean, Bale is stepping on a rubber endoskeleton, and you guys cum in your pants. Seriously, this movie is getting jokier by the day.
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i enjoyed the teaser. I mean, like I got goosebumps and everything. Everything I've seen and read about this film gets me excited. I WANT to believe...I just hope I'm not wrong...
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Just kidding, even I'm sick of talking about how much I hate T2: OLD YELLER / WE WUV WOO ROBODADDY.
Bale looks weirdly like Trent Reznor does now in that picture. Kinda fits the whole apocalypse war thing pretty cool I think. I also think theres a lot of potential here. If done right, it could be a really cool movie. Also, I'm glad that they're changing stuff because the actual time-line is completely fucked at this point that it would be better to just start from scratch and reboot it. I mean, cmon, face it, at the end of the day, its a movie about a future war with evil robots; its not brain surgery, it just has to be cool and scary and mean. If TDK is any indication, cool and scary and mean is certainly possible at PG-13. Hard-R is better, of course, but we're not gonna get that, so, may as well stop whining about it. R, on the other hand, is still possible.
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Do we really need a Metal Gear Solid movie? Isn't that what 70% of those games are anyway?
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Come on, TDK proves that a film can be PG-13 yet be more frightening than most of the cheap-scare R bullshit that's out there nowadays. It takes real skill to make a PG-13 film scary, since there are more restrictions placed upon the film by the MPAA. Nolan was able to do it? Will McG be able to? Oh, and by the way, Bale is quickly becoming this generations biggest actor. He's one of my favorites, for sure, because he doesn't take bullshit projects. Nearly everything this guy has been in has been top notch. And for those of you who haven't seen it, go rent 'The Machinist' right fucking now!
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THIS IS NOT A PG13.
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Sorry to be so obviously female, but he is. Back to the serious movie talk. *sigh*
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when the hell did that happen. weird.
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was the art work of the destroyed Capitol records building in LA. after the robots assault. looks stunning with a terminator chopper in the front. It is in this months empire PLus there is aiso a pic of tropic thunder.
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yeah, yeah, we all know how much you hated T2...but how is your "we luv woo boh daddy" any different from the crap of T3, where arhnold was also the protector? Thankfully, you are in the minority with respect to T2 which, by any quantifiable standard, was one of the BEST sci-fi movies of the last 30 years...As for this one, Bale gives me hope, but McG simply is not a visonary director (so far) - he's competent...just like Mostow was competent - look how that turned out.
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heard several under 10 kids sniffling often during TDK. its a little intense for the younger kids.
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My parents and I have very different standards for movies but there are definately those perfect films that overlap: Lynch's "the Straight Story," "Looking for Bobby Fischer," etc. They are a predominantly PG-13 crowd.
But I decided I would give "We Are Marshall" a try; and it was quite stunning. McG's "Charlie Angels" films were pop-culture exploitation films: big and empty pot-smoke filled heads of grin and shine. The young man can direct actors and he showed me that and T3 will definately be an actors' film. The violence and explosions are part of that world but if you don't have your Bison's realizing that their entire life's work is the cause of the world's destruction or Linda Hamilton's prophetic warrior/mother (her change from the first to the second is the heart and defense of the sequel, that life continues and that the first film had consequence: she is a bombed out, tense piece of wire in that movie, an emotional weapon), then the movie is all flash and fire.
McG's subtle handling of characters in "We Are Marshall" were loving creations and not merely caricatures of entertainment. That movie could have been "Remember the Titans" and was not (quick note: I believe that "Remember the Titans" is an insult to the intelligence, a movie about race that resides almost SOLELY in stereotypes and audience expectations; I grew up in a racially tense environment and that movie was a cheap attempt at inspiration for the sake of a safe buck - movies about race MUST challange the audience: see Spike Lee (and dudes, Lee has empathy for Mookey, but he doesn't agree with him, ie Ruby Dee's anguished scream, a spine-tingling moment).
I also resonant with the previous talkbacker's sentiment that it was a truly-felt film about mourning. It was about what it was about, a trick that many young directors in a financial/artistic environment cannot accomplish due to the flood of commercial expectations. Personally, I feel that it is wonderful that a director can correct past mistakes by appreciation and reappraisal of his work; and think how difficult it must be to attempt something heartfelt when there are several million online mouths spouting how this project is doomed to fail. -
So we loose Arnold. But bagging Bale is a huge move and he can make or break the success of the film. Cause sadly, he's gotten into a very detailed pre-story and any small misstep will be placed on his head. Not blaming him for taking the paycheck though. Just sad that if it sucks, no one will bla,e the writers or directors as much as him.
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But I find that I don't care about the absence of Arnold Schwarzenegger at all. I don't think I ever expected to see him walking around in the SkyNet-destroyed future anyway.
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They have laser guns in the future not bullet weapons, as they're totally useless against Terminators. So why does John Connor, hero of the remnants of humanity have such a shit gun?
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Or maybe turn me over first. Dee-lish!
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I really am kind of expecting Alien vs. Predator results from this (that means bad). What has Bale done lately that has sucked? Ehhh...310 to Yuma was in the "Alright" category for me.
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Come on, all these "I know why you cry" "you can't go around killing people", "smile" "hastalavista" all these bogs the movie down. People wanna see Arnie killing everyone, who cares about morals and human life ? No one, we all go to these movies to see shit blown up, not to get pacifist lessons. The most killer moment in T2 is the apocalypse dream.
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Best Christian Bale movie ever!
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Has nobody but me seen that movie? If so, rent it in spite of the Chuck Norrissy "no man left behind" looking cover art. Give Bale a good part and he's off the hook. Give him a mediocre part and he's at least solid. Good casting choice. And I think you can do this movie without Arnold as well if you use toaster style hard ass terminators. Remember, the first terminators looked like robots, then robots covered in rubber, then covered in living skin, then liquid metal.
I want to love this.
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http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/12/3/1622277/35FootNator4.jpg
Not sure what to think, but they're starting to rack up some points for effort. Can't wait to see the trailer.
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was not a good movie folks, it's aged like headcheese.
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Love the pic but...Whats with the handcuffs on his flack???
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And so will the cash-in follow ups. They screwed the pooch in T3, and did it in a way that completely fucks up the franchise. Not only that, the ideas behind this one sound like complete ass. And Arnold's role being recast? They'd have done much better with CG Arnolds.
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dude.....seriously, go kill yourself, whats next? Robocop 1 sucked? ALIENS was a turd?.....jesus christ
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All The Dark Knight proved is that a movie studio can pay enough cash to the MPAA and get a PG-13 rating. The Dark Knight shouldn't have been PG-13. It's too intense for kids and no to mention they can't follow alot of it.
PG-13 Terminator? Well hopefully they are shooting an R rated movie and it'll get TDK treatment.
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Ah. The Governor is getting to old to be playing Terminators anyways. I wouldn't think that T-800 Age.
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aliens is much better, though similarly the original alien is still better. as for robocop 1, it was a satire intending to be cheesy and prevailed. robodaddy 2 was a sellout cheesefest
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what else were they going to do? send 2 terminators to kill John Connor? Sure, it wasn't the killfest T1 was, but the idea of sending the t-800 to protect john from the T-1000 was a pretty clever idea...thank god the T2 haters are in the minority of moviegoers...
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Terminator is on tv right now and damn it looks so dated with all the 80s fashion and cheap music... but its more violent than I remember at least, its been a long time since I seen it! T2 didnt suck, Robert Patrick was awesome but Arnie's Wussinator was lame as fuck... I preferred T3, the kickass industrial crane chase and Kristanna Loken ruled, too bad she hasnt done shit since, Painkiller Jane was so bad!
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Yeah, sure he was a protector in T3, but he wasn't a father figure. Nobody wept for him like some wuss emo taint licker. Nobody put him to death in a manner eerily similar to OLD YELLER. He was just a machine doing a job in T3; there was no over emoting, no emotional connection AT ALL, and that's why its infinitely cooler and more bad ass then the weepy ass emo wankfest bullshit of T2.
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Just kidding about the "hate" part, but the last time I saw it, it looked dated as hell. I felt no apprehension. No scares. And let's face it Eddie Furlong was ass. Terminator 1 was much better, despite the lousy FX. Yes, I love Aliens, yes I love Robocop 1.
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and growing rapidly. bad to the bone was a self-parody sellout. astalavista? high-five, too slow, awful dated catchphrases. what kind of terminator is told not to kill from a shitty actor lke edward furlong? i'll take T1's neonoir metropolis over T2's LA outskirts/whitetrashyness as well. Kyle Reese is a better good guy than Robodaddy, Evil Arnie is a better badguy than the Die Hard 2 henchman as well.
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ya like huey lewis and the news..?
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William Wisher. or was forced to. write it with him.
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All camerons early films have aged.
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its going to be very interesting to see the reaction to cameron's avatar, next year.....
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check out the pics at the sun.co.uk
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Why is John Conner holding what looks to be like a M-16/M-4 Carbine (gas operated) machine gun that fires a .223 round... when it was ineffective against the Terminators in all of three movies? Shouldn't John Conner be using a "phased-plasma rifle in the forty watt range?" A picture of the rifle from Terminator II -- http://perso.orange.fr/mdi/images/bckgrd/bckgrd_big/terminator_004.jpg
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Eventually, I will bury T2, relegate to the trash heap of half-assed, nit-witted, market driven detritus for the flatulent, knuckle-dragging, lowest common d, mewling for more product, shambling somnambulant from Wal-Mart to Wal-Mart, looking for another fix of plastic crack.
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No doubt almost all of the designs will be updated to reflect current designs. I reckon you can kiss the old blocky look of the plasma rifle goodbye.
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No doubt almost all of the original designs will be updated to reflect current design trends.
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It mocks the very art of film itself with its near godlike suckitude. I almost suspect Cameron made it suck on purpose because he was angry that people didn't like his underwater cgi movie about the giant hole in the ocean where the Close Encounters ship crashed (apparently) that also sucked. It is not only the nadir of the series, it is the nadir of film itself. It is the nadir of existence. The anti-matter of everything good in this universe we call home.
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that is indeed a m-16/m-4 in the movie...it just adds to the lack of detail. Weeks ago...the artwork of the desolate..shell of a city...with vines and trees didn't make any sense. There wouldn't be hardly any plant life after a nuclear holocaust. That's why the beginning of T2 made sense...and was well done.
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wha - t2 do yer girlfriend? c'mon laserpants, its fun.
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"trash heap of half-assed, nit-witted, market driven detritus for the flatulent, knuckle-dragging, lowest common d, mewling for more product"??.....If T2 was that, T3 encapsulated that even more! They couldn't even think of a new terminator, choosing to simply copy the T-1000 of Cameron's.....seriously.
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oh well, too bad...
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it picks people up and puts them in a lab.
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Because in the future the earth stops rotating? I believe they were in bunkers near the frontlines in those teasers in the last movies. Not holes in the ground.
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So...he HAS to die, right? The time progression described by the terminator in T3 implies that everything that we KNOW to happen in these films is inevitable. Connor HAS to die in some way or another, just as Skynet launched its attack regardless of Cyberdyne being blown up. But then doesn't that also mean Connor HAS to send Reese back in time at some point? I always found the timeline confusing, but now especially after 3...It'll at least be interesting how the proposed new trilogy will end. Which by the films' logic will have to end with Reese being sent back to protect Sarah. GAH help.
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Thats why I hate it... IT MADE FUN OF MY SOCKS!!! DAMN YOU TERMINATOR TWO!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
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T2 was just bad. Both were money grabs, true, but T3 was both funnier AND darker.
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the ending of T3 was undeniably good - personally, I thought T3 was just a bad caricature of the T2 - will have to agree to disagree on this one...
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look inside, you know it to be truth- and I have a feeling that TS will be the best sequel yet
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If only because it sets up Bale to play a Terminator in the next two movies. Terminator is the star of Terminator movies (not John Connor) cause he's the most interesting character.
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you are way off. Allow me now to rehash everything I've ever said about Bale. When I heard he was going to be Batman I knew that he would own the movie because it would be a step down for him because of Equilibrium. That movie is not original. Take 1984, splice it with Fahrenheit 451, and throw in a splash of Brave New World, and there you have it. That aside, it is an awesome movie and Bale destroys everything in site. I can't recommend this movie enough to people. Judge for yourself, but see it first, then make the call.
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that's unpossible, to quote Ralph Wiggum.
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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dragula+equilibrium&search_type=&aq=f
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better for the humans, actually. If the robots can see infrared and other wavelengths then a hot day would favor the humans. Also that gun could have been modified to take depleted uranium rounds thus increasing their effectiveness.
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What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Jesus Christ, every time a franchise gets rebooted, everybody here has to try to buck conventional wisdom and say every previous incarnation sucked. It's some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen. T2 is far and away the best and most epic of the series, and if we see Connor's skin plastered on a cyborg's body, well folks, things will stay that way.
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but Chernobyl was just a mere release of radioactivity into the environment. As the T2 script states, "The skyline of buildings beyond has been shattered by some
unimaginable force like a row of kicked-down sandcastles. The skyline of buildings beyond has been shattered by some unimaginable force like a row of kicked-down sandcastles. Wind blows through the desolation, keening with the sound of ten million dead souls. It scurries the ashes into drifts, stark white in the moonlight against the charred rubble." It's obvious at the end of T3 - nuclear missiles were hitting major cities/facilities. I could believe in possible partial foliage and trees in Piedmont, South Dakota...a la "On the Beach" by Nevil Shute. -
I apologize for the double quote.
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As Sarah stated, "Three billion human lives ended on August 29th, 1997.
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If you watch the trailer frame by frame (in qthd) you can clearly see what looks like a giant terminator grab some guy and pick him up after punching through a wall. Could it be the 65 foot tall T800?
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is christian bale a terminator in the shootingscript?
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My whole frustration with this franchise was primarily with the 3rd movie, most of the comics and the stupid TV show.
Okay - Very simple.
In the first movie, Reise says that SKYNET had built the time machine and had send back 1 T-800 terminator.
We have to assume he was wrong because low and behold - there's the T-1000 in T2. I forgave that because of this...
James Cameron created a timeline and concept that if the Terminator could alter the timeline by going back, then the Conners could alter it by destroying the Terminator - since T2 had created its own paradox.
At the end of T2 (at least on DVD) the world changed and got better.
Then, along comes T3 (minus Cameron) and we're told this philosophy is wrong - because they didn't stop it, couldn't stop it and the world is going to Hell anyway.
The TV series and comics I'm mad at, because - Just HOW MANY of thos e FUCKIN' things can SKYNET keep sending back!?!
You wanna' out smart the humans, skynet? Send Marty McFly back to break up Sarah's parents in the 60's!! Jeez
WJ -
really terrible. Are you blind?
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How many this week? 5? that's a tad lazy, dontcha think?
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which is actually not such a bad thing, since I thought that was an ok movie - and really, kinda similar in terms of premise...
Bale was in that too, right? -
none of which fits the weapon he's brandishing.
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"But then they sent in the terminators, the infiltrator units...they were the worst..the 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easily. But the first of the 800 series were fucking 65 feet tall. I mean I've seen some tall people but no one I ever remember being over 12 feet tall much less 8 feet. Shit, my friend Hank is like almost 7 foot but 65 feet? Fuckin' A! Seeing a 65 foot fucking robot pretty much guaranteed it wasn't a human being, and thus not an infiltrator unit, unless of course your a complete jackass or something."Even with a total bugfuck of the lore and timeline, I can almost give Nostradomus like prescient-prediction that there is no 65-foot tall T-series robot. The T-series were terminators, infiltrators; designed to pass as closely to a human in order to run special ops missions (to stop the Resistance and Connor). The big robot is not remotely a terminator...I bet even McG knows you can't make a freakin infiltration unit out of a king kong sized robot...what the fuck can you infiltrate when you're a god damn 65 foot tall giant?
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"i dont mind some daylight terminator action" Well damn it, I do! I've been waiting since 10 years old to see a full re-imagining of the future scene from the first movies, where everything was dark and grim and the entire earth was just littered with shit from years of raging wars with death dealing machines. Not some happy happy sunshine I'm gonna shoot you in the head stupid tin man.
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Bale is the ONLY reason I'm eager to see this movie.
I hope McG doesn't just make some big CGI summer movie spectacle with a bunch of lame one liners and explosions. You know, the kind of movie you watch only once and walk out of the theater disappointed, wishing Cameron had done another T-movie.
Anyone know how much of the effects will be practical vs CGI? Please use modeling and practical effects as much as possible. CGI just does not work unless it is intermixed with old fashion effects.
If McG can somehow capture some that HUMAN DESPERATION that Cameron/Kyle Reece showed us and hinted at in The Terminator, and then be able to push the limits of effects and action-staging like in T2, this new movie will be gold. Is McG that ambitious or talented though? Or he is just a typical studio pleasing sellout? If those T-600s start to get chopped down like they were nothing, I'm walking out of the theater. Just ONE of those terminators should be able to take out a whole squad of soliders with ease. Yes, they are suppose to be that badass and scary. Remember how cold-blooded, raw, and methodical, Arnold was in that 1st movie? To make them any weaker would make this movie laughable at best. In this future, the terminators are suppose to be winning until John Conner comes along to organize the scattered humans, giving them a fighting chance. I hope McG actually tries to explore what would REALLY happen if the terminators took over, i.e. the superpowers like (USA, China, Russia), world religions, militias, terrorists/fanatics, 3rd world countries, "regular citizens," people who live in remote parts of the world, etc. How much of that infrastructure would survive after a nuclear fallout? How would people find food/shelter? What social/economic order would exist if any? Climate/environmental/geological change? I really doubt everyone would all of a sudden work under Conner without question. No one even knows who John Conner is. Please do not steal ideas from the Matrix about harvesting. I'm not sure what that is all about, but I hope he actually has a creative and interesting idea. The future is suppose to be horrific and desperate. The terminators devastation of the civilized world should be complete. They controlled the nukes in the USA, so how did Russia react? China? Did they infiltrate their systems as well? It'll be interesting to see how EXACTLY the terminators took mankind down in one day/week in a way that makes sense. Also, please keep the story and the tone consistent with the 1st 2 terminator movies. This 1st movie should focus on John Conner and the forming of/beginning of the resistance. I'm curious and looking forward to how they will approach the Kyle Reece character. I hope McG treats Reece with respect and somehow have cameos from Linda Hamilton, Michael Biehn (perhaps time travelling made him younger), and Arnold. If 2/3 of that group does not show up, it'll be hard to take this new franchise seriously. I hope this new trilogy opens up a whole new realm of ideas, themes, mythology, and characters we will actually care about, yet be respectful to the material. I hope it's not just a 2D story of John Conner and a bunch of nameless/soulless resistance fighters trying to save a bunch of caged humans and blow up Skynet. Have McG consulted with James Cameron at all? I mean, it was Cameron's vision in the 1st place. -
Haha ... great point. They really need to get a handle on that time traveling/timeline thing. To simply sh!t on it and say hey, the average moviegoer will accept it, would be a mistake. I hope McG and his writers will think it through logically and make this latest entry fit somehow. Something must of happened after Reece went into the time machine. Either it wasn't destroyed or there are more than one ... why wouldn't there be more than one? Something interesting to explore in this new franchise hopefully.
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Saw the teaser...there were quite a few daylight shots...especially as pond stated, "Kyle mentions hiding during the day and moving at night." I would expect excursions by John, etc. in the film to be at least 75% night time shots.
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the art direction...lighting..etc. that should be in Terminator Salvation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peqEf5enXJs
The predestination and ontological paradoxes will be issues soon with all of the Terminator films.
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