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Harry spends a dark night with the DARK KNIGHT

Hyperbole is my forte. I’m known for it. I love films the way a dog loves humping your leg at Thanksgiving Dinner – but I get terrified when I see critics – high and low – throwing out comparisons to GODFATHER 2 for a BATMAN movie. Or that want to say that the film isn’t “merely the best superhero film ever made,” but they also want to put it as the best crime film ever made. Well, through circumstances beyond my control – I’m late weighing in on this here DARK KNIGHT picture show dealio. The film is, in fact, superb in every way. A vast improvement on BATMAN BEGINS – amazing what happens when you no longer have to deal with an origin story and satisfying only the merchandizing interests of the parent corporation. Instead, Nolan has decided to treat Batman as only the best Comic Writers have dared to. Adult, scary and frightening. DARK KNIGHT is a great dark Batman movie. Is it everything every BATMAN fan would ever want from BATMAN, THE JOKER or TWO-FACE? Well, depends on the fan. If you like your Batman on the cutting edge of technology, that uses Wayne Industries and his persona as Bruce Wayne to do things that even Batman couldn’t do, that has a strict code that he adheres to, but is ruthlessly unethical in his pursuit of evil… well this is your Batman. He kicks ass, hurts but never kills. This Batman is an empowered mutherfucker. He will beat confessions and information out of thugs, he would break legs for information and he will kidnap whomever he sees fit… if it serves the greater good. Now if that’s what you want – that’s what you’re going to get. But if you want a more juvenile tale, with a glimmer of light and a prayer of a happy ending… keep on trucking, cuz that ship doesn’t dock here. That said – HOLY FUCK – what a great movie. This is a film that’s better than any given performance in it. It is a fantastic ensemble work. All at once BATMAN is everything that you wish was out there fucking up evil on a nightly basis. But what I love about this film is this… Batman isn’t some rogue vigilante – he’s the ultimate black op operative – working in collusion with law enforcement and government to do what they can’t. He has limitless wealth – seemingly. Science and technology is at his beck and call and he piggybacks on a government’s research and development. He’s the blunt force trauma of a flaccid broken city eaten away by bad cops and several active mafias that know the established system and play it like a casino does their poker tables. Making it impossible to ever win in the long run. Batman is an equalizer. He’s Buford Pusser with a lot more than a 2x4. He’s walking tall and kicking ass. At the same time, Bruce Wayne is using his wealth and connections – he’s getting into business with unethical sonsabitches so that his company can examine them with a fine toothed comb – to see how they work, how they shuffle the money – how they hide the corruption. To locate and know the secrets that only the corporate giants know. He is listening to everything, violating every ethical boundary to simply beat the bad guys and take his city back. And he is aware that forces outside the boundaries of his Gotham City effect and conspire to feed upon the populace of his city and he’ll target them as well. However, just as the final conversation between Gordon and Batman in BATMAN BEGINS worried about – Escalation is happening. The particular genius of DARK KNIGHT is it’s treatment of the JOKER – they don’t explain him. He didn’t kill Bruce’s parents. He wasn’t dropped into a vat of chemicals by Batman. In fact, he has no direct ties to the caped crusader. The Joker is a mystery. Why does he exist? What does he serve? He’s literally the flipside of Batman. While Batman believes in the dream of civilization and the town his family helped found, the Joker believes in the inequities of civilization. He sees hypocrites everywhere. The world is full of sane citizens a push from insanity. What made him this way? I doubt seriously that we’ll ever see that story written adequately to serve the character created on screen. As has been said before – Heath Ledger’s JOKER is a great screen villain. One to put on the shelf of cinematic history along side: Richard Widmark’s TOMMY UDO, Malcolm McDowell’s ALEX, James Cagney’s CODY JARRETT, Anthony Hopkins’ HANNIBAL LECTER, Javier Bardem’s ANTON CHIGURH and Robert Mitchum’s MAX CADY. It is officially that quality. I won’t call him the best, just as I can’t personally rank those that I listed. These are all great unhinged villains. Amoral sonsabitches to the last. The best thing that Heath’s performance has done is to forever erase the painful memory of Jack Nicholson’s Joker. I remember back in 1989, the world went bonkers over Jack’s performance. And I was pissed. As written in Sam Hamm’s script, the character was so much better than what Nicholson transformed it into through the aid of Warren Skaaren. Here, Heath is invisible in the role, his eyes containing madness, genius, sympathy, sadism and childlike glee. The stories he tells are brilliant little mind fucks. His monologues and mannerisms seem so spontaneous, so created with a gleeful inspiration from the great deceiver himself. It is a role and a performance of a lifetime. Will he win Best Supporting Actor next year? Well – of the above brilliant performances – Only Sir Anthony & Bardem walked away with a Bald Golden Dude. It is a crime that any of those other performances were not awarded, but they each deserved it. At this point, Heath’s work as the Joker is deserving of consideration, but let’s see what else the year has in store for us, eh? Oddly though – The Joker is not the most frightening character in the film. That goes to Harvey Dent / Two-Face. When Two-Face goes on his journey in this film, he isn’t simply a cartoon. He’s a nightmare. He’s the family pet ripping the throat out on your daughter. He’s something you loved, twisted, random and dangerous. When George Raft famously flipped the coin, there was death in his eyes. When Anton Chigurh flipped, it felt like an excuse for the character. Here – when Dent flips that coin, he literally has no idea what he’s going to do, until it lands clean or scarred – and even then – he could find a reason to flip again. His psyche was scarred far worse than his face, and until you see that nightmarish Dorian Gray/Jonah Hex visage… you’ve no idea how great this character is. Now zebra striped neon suits… No hot pink makeup. Here… it’s the shit of nightmares. That said – Everyone in the film is rock solid. My personal favorite character of this series is Gary Oldman’s James Gordon. It’s just a supremely crafted character. A good cop in a corrupt town, trying to make it safer for us all. He’s amazing in what little he’s given in the film. And I just can not get over how I can’t see Gary Oldman in him, I only see Gordon and that makes me so fucking happy. So happy to see Gordon no longer played as a bumbling buffoon. Instead he’s somebody that puts in the long hours, doesn’t care about credit and advancement, but rather – he’s there to get the job done because everyone else could give a rat’s ass. I was genuinely shocked by the choices with this character this time out. Each beat felt true to the character – and was brought to life with the greatness of Gary Oldman. Christian Bale, Michael Caine & Morgan Freeman are simply the best. The invention of Lucius Fox was never a character I truly loved in comic form when Len Wein created him – but as Morgan Freeman has played the character – I’ve fallen in love with him. He is absolutely the best version of an all-purpose Q character in film history. It’s played with respect and knowledge. It’s nice to see that it takes a team to make Batman as super as he is here. That there’s people behind the Bat trying to make him better than he would be on his own. Folks driving to help the legend take hold, all hoping that this crazy son of a bitch can hold it together long enough to make a difference. But they all see this as something that can’t last long. We’d only see something like the Batman for a brief amount of time. They’re there to try and give him the tools, knowledge and wisdom to make it the best use of that gifted time. Heroes don’t last long. Not in the real world. They seem to always disappoint in the end – and where Batman goes in this film. Where he’s left at the end, is that he’s set up to be the Batman for the rest of his life. He’s locked in. He isn’t looking for excuses to put the cape up. There’s nothing left for him but the cowl and the crusade. The franchise has taken its time to get Batman to where he is right now, they’ve built him with the utmost care and intelligence. Where he goes from here as a character is going to be the trick. It is a shame that we’ll never see Heath as the Joker again, but what I hope is that they don’t just let the character go. Instead – like Telly Savalas’ one run at Blofeld, it set the rules for the character. If anything, Heath laid down one awesome dare to any who would dare follow. I just hope someone has the sack to pick up the grease paint and knives and give it a run. Personally – I’d nominate Javier Bardem. Enjoy this weekend and this film. This one was done note perfect.

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  • July 18, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Not the second coming of Christ like everyone says

    by TylerDurden3395

    But slightly better than Batman Returns. Seriously Nolan, what the fuck was up with that twenty minute Tiny "Zeus" Lister ferry scene? Other than that and the fact that Two Face was Venomed out of the movie, it was perfect.

  • July 18, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    You don't mention Maggie

    by GregoryHarbin

    Not ONCE. Not ONCE? Her version of Rachel was amazing, full of life, and SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER I promise you I was crying in the IMAX theater. How could you not even mention her?

  • July 18, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Bardem Won

    by Gap Toothed TV Boy

    Uh, Harry, Javier Bardem DID wIn the Oscar for Anton. And if there is any justice, Ledger will win one as well.

  • July 18, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Also, TDK is NOT the Godfather 2 of superhero movies

    by TylerDurden3395

    It's the Friday the 13th Part IV: The Final Chapter. The characters and plot are slightly more believable than the others in the series, and the villain fucks shit up good, but it's flawed. Not the best of the franchise, but damn good times otherwise.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    ROBIN

    by iwontwin

    As much as joker is a part, so is robin...if done right, I want to see nolans take

  • July 18, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Just....

    by pepino

    a fucking great movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    The second coming of Christ just like everyone says

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    no one will say otherwise

  • July 18, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Better than the 2nd coming of Christ...

    by The Dum Guy

    B/c no one is going to hell over this movie... except maybe a couple people.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Saw it 6 hours ago...

    by Kingdaddy

    and I can't stop thinking about it. Gonna see it again on Sunday and try to focus. I think I was just too damn excited about what was coming next to fully enjoy it. Oh, and hopefully I won't have a 12 yr old zit faced emo fuckstick texting half the time sitting next to me. Fucking Harry Potter.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Aw come one

    by Turd Furgeson

    You don't have to take them all away....

  • July 18, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Good review Harry

    by welsh_bullfrog_goon

    First from newport in wales united kingdom where dr who is filmed and torchwood

  • July 18, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    No need for more Joker...unless...

    by Tarl_Cabot

    it's 20 years from now and Bale is doing the TDK Returns story...that would be cool.And by then the audience could accept a new but older Joker.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Choices. Choices. Choices.

    by depalma25

    one of the main reasons, in my opinion, why the TDK is so incredibly brilliant: Choice. The essence of all great drama is "conflict," and in TDK, it manifests itself in the form of inner conflict -- choices the characters are forced to make. Whether it's Bogart telling Bergman to "get on that plane," Michaele Corleone choosing to kill Friedo, or Romeo choosing to drink the poison at the sight of his comatose Juliet, choice is at the very heart of the storytelling. Every main character in TDK has to make some sort of choice in which the consequences can and do lead to tradgedy. It doesn't take the Hollywood "out" either, where a character makes an ethically or morally questionable decision, but is somehow redeemed by the end of the film, simply because he or she is a "good" character. Iron Man was great for many reasons, but let's face it, the choice Tony Stark makes, (to fight for justice) comes early and is clearly the only choice he could make,or there wouldn't be a film. Indy 4 was so ineffective because there's very little inner-conflict. It's basically a chase picture, and of course when one is being chased, few choices have to be made. "Run," would be a good one. Even Alfred, has to make a critical decision in this movie. Some will question it, others feel it was for the best. Okay, that's my two cents. I can't wait to see it again. That's an easy choice.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    This just in: The Godfather 2 is overrated.

    by jimmay

    Check out imdb. The same psychotic fanatics that went insane when Return of the King briefly challenged G2's supremacy of the top #250 are losing it again. Oh, I appreciate it's artistic merits, but storywise, the Godfather 2 is one of the most operatically pretentious, inhumanly cold film ever made.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Realism gets old fast

    by iwontwin

    especially in Batman. I like the idea of the Batman family, with his operatives working all over the city to gather intel and fight crime.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    The movie kicks ass btw but I think it is

    by Tarl_Cabot

    possible for the sequel to be better or as good.Casey Affleck as Riddler, Paul Giamatti as Penquin and an unknown actress to play Catwomen.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Nolan always said Burton's biggest mistake...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    was killing the Joker. I hope they bring him back in some form. And I hope someone can even come close to Ledger's forever genius. It almost makes me shed a tear just thinking about how good he is in this role, and how no matter how many times I see this movie, I know that as soon as he's hanging off that roof, we'll never see The Joker that way again. Fucking hell. Great review Harry, though yeah, you left out Maggie, and yeah, it really does deserve the hyperbole.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    I almost don't...

    by Pseudo

    ...want to see another film made, this one is THAT good. I think, though, that because the ending is such an amazing set-up for a follow-up, the only way Mr. Nolan could craft something worthy of this film would be to write something that, at least thematically, would be this films polar opposite. I'm just wondering how physically painful it will be for the folks who choose films for Oscars to place this movie up for Best Picture. Can't say if it would win, but damn would it give everything else a run for the money! ??Pseudo?? Out.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    I loved it

    by RobMota

    This is the batman i was waiting for.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    JUDE LAW FOR RIDDLER... ANDY SERKIS FOR THE PENGUIN

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    If not him, definitely someone British and definitely someone totally dapper and different than Danny DeVito. But who for Catwoman? Did anyone catch the Catwoman foreshadow early in the flick?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    what a great fucking movie

    by just pillow talk

    absolutely loved it. All the performances were just picture perfect. I do agree about the ferry scenes though...definitely the weakest part of the movie. Otherwise...loved the chaos that ensued. <p>This was the first summer movie that I've gone to that had people clapping and cheering.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart for Captain America

    by antonphd

    The Dark Knight was spectacular... now I'm ready for Eckhart to do Cap justice. A period WWII film ending with being frozen and ready to be thawed for Avengers. What can I say... The Dark Knight and this damn summer has inspired me to believe that it can be done right. My money is on Catwoman for B3.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Joker was more like Jigsaw in Saw..

    by TylerDurden3395

    Putting people in moralistic do-or-die situations. And seriously people, what the fuck was with that ferry scene. Some of the most pointless shit in a movie ever. Yeah I know the point of it was to show that even the people of Gotham (even the criminals) have been inspired by Batman's lead to do good, but it was the worst edited shit I've seen in a while. Did we need all the vote taking? Did we need Tiny Lister becoming the lead character for a chunk of the movie? It was like fucking 12 Angry Men, The Posiden Adventure and the cable car scene in Spider-Man.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    No one's mentioning the score?

    by Bass Ackwards

    I haven't seen it yet, but am curious about it, Hans & James were saying that they had more of a Batman "theme" in mind for this flick then the last one.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    should say THIS summer

    by just pillow talk

    Heath was the joker. Holy shit.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I thought it was pretty great (massive spoilers)

    by CherryValance

    (don't read this if you haven't seen it)</p> I was surprised they killed Dent. I just assumed he would turn at the end of the film and then show up in subsequent films. So for like an hour after the movie I was trying to talk myself into why that was cool, but other than that I thought it was freakin' flawless. That Joker was a perfect character. Seriously, besides Heath's outstanding performance it was written beautifully. Can't believe he won't be back. I'll be seeing it again in IMAX on Monday, and I'm sure that won't be the last time while it's in theaters. It needs to win BEST PICTURE and the ENSEMBLE SAG AWARD.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Just saw this in IMAX.

    by vic twenty

    Eat a dick, TylerDurden3395. JUST a bit better than Batman Returns? You would have been better off posting "FIRST" and shutting the fuck up. This was a cinematic triumph and a wondrous performance by Ledger. Simply magnetic. This is the Joker we've always wanted but NEVER been shown on screen. Top Fucking Notch.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Please place spoilers on this.

    by Kaiser_Baz69

    I know there isn't anything extravagant that we haven't heard. but for someone like my wee bro who knows nothing so far about this, but is coming on Thurs to see it with me(when its released in the UK) this thread is spoiler filled. Anyway, just a suggestion. Was the Bardem suggestion for the next Joker or am I out of synch? I'd rather they just leave the character hanging. Would probably fit it better.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Cherry...

    by just pillow talk

    I was surprised too, but I think he served his purpose. Granted, we really weren't given much to see how potentially great a villain he could have become....but I think he served his purpose to basically be the catalyst for part three.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    The ferry scene was significant.

    by vic twenty

    The Joker was counting on the "civilized people" to eat themselves, and they didn't. That was his test of Gotham. Gotham passed. And who doesn't love Tiny Lister????

  • July 18, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Harry's most creative title yet.

    by half vader

    At least you actually reviewed it, big guy. Not like Hulk!

  • July 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Kaiser - stay away from all Batman related threads

    by just pillow talk

    then. That's what I've been doing until I saw the film. You know everyone who's seen it will start posting to these threads to discuss the movie. Just saying...

  • July 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Great review, man

    by Aeghast

    Thanks. Nice read.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Okay, how about the total Venomfication of Dent

    by TylerDurden3395

    They spend TWO hours building him up and then he just becomes a half assed Charles Bronson. Then they kill him off for no good reason. If the movie ended with Dent becoming Two Face, it would've been a flawless picture. I STILL really, really like it (*** 1/2) but the last half hour just didn't work for me.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Magnificent

    by DarfurFTW

  • July 18, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Vic

    by just pillow talk

    Very true, but I wasn't crazy with how the scene played out. I actually thought that the non-prison ferry would press the button, but instead of blowing the other ferry, blow up their own ferry.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Tiny Lister was awesome

    by Funketeer

    And not just because of what he did but because of what he said before he did it.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Perfect in my mind

    by DarfurFTW

    Spolers discussioin: First, I don't think two-face is dead. I think Harvey Dent is dead. Think about it, its logical. I think that was a memorial they were showing, not a funeral. Movie was excellent! Can't wait to see it again

  • July 18, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    they did that to Dent to totally setup Batman's

    by just pillow talk

    decision to claim the responsibilities for the killings. Put in on the run.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    A thought on the next one...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    First, no doubt that Ledger's portrayal was great. However, in the next film I would like to see either an original villain, or one that has not been seen and done over and over and over again. Ideas, anyone?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Two Face looked like Zombie Griffin Dunne

    by TylerDurden3395

    In American Werewolf in London. Just Saying....

  • July 18, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Tyler

    by vic twenty

    There are rumors of a 3-hour cut of this. Perhaps Dent's spiral is better chronicled in what was left on the cutting room floor. I think he'll be back next time, though. The cover-up will come back to haunt Bats and Gordon. <p> Sorry about the eat a dick thing, but ye gods, Batman Returns and Friday the 13th part IV? That is just mean.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone else conflicted of the Joker coming back?

    by DarfurFTW

    I don't know. Some part of me wants them to hire another great versatile actor and give them the part. But part of me thinks theres no way you'll find someone who could pull the same shit off, the same way. Plus it is kind of an insult to Heath to bring in another actor.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Darfur...so you think then

    by just pillow talk

    that Two face is locked up? They would be playing a dangerous game if he ever got out, totally blowing the goodwill that Gordon and Batman used his "death" for.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    it may not be Godfather II

    by stickmangrit

    but the comparisons to Empire are deserved on every level. this was a movie that went further than any of us could have anticipated. and as for all of you bitching about the ferry sequence(SPOILERS AHEAD), that scene was some of the most brilliant social commentary i've seen this year. Lister's casting was sheer brilliance. Nolan knew full good and well that the sight of that actor in an orange jumpsuit would immediately trigger the "he's a bad guy" thought in the heads of every audience member. we were all certain that he was going to turn that key, and what follows was the single most genius rug-pull i've seen in a theater this year. fuck the naysayers, i now know exactly how it felt to walk out of the theater after the opening night of The Empire Strikes Back, in addition to seeing an absolutely perfect on-screen realization of the Joker, my favorite villain of all time. for that, i will be forever indebted to Nolan.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Pillow Talk

    by vic twenty

    I thought that would happen on the ferry too. Glad Nolan gave me the dodge on that one.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I would want the Joker back, but not in the next one

    by just pillow talk

    I agree that I would like to see some brand new villain.<p>But the Joker would have to be played by someone who could immerse themselves in the role and 'be' the joker. Heath's performance was just so fucking outstanding.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    and yes, Echart for Cap. America.

    by stickmangrit

  • July 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I thought that they had to kill Dent

    by daveyf

    So it would work batman into becoming a crusader. An outlaw that fights crime. TOTAL FKING DESTRUCTION. Amazing movie. 5 stars. My only hitch is that the Wayne tower is not the same and where's the train thing from Begins?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Great review Harry...

    by depalma25

    Although i don't know if I would want another actor to play The Joker...at least in the Nolan universe. No actor would dare do it. That would be like a rookie drafted by the Chicago Bulls wanting the wear the the number 23 on his jersey. Damn! It just really saddens me that I will never see Heath's Joker again. His performance was like watching a great composer conduct his opus. I actually feel sorry for the actor who has to play a villian in the next Batman. Some comedian, in some club, at one time, had to get on stage after Richard Pryor. That would have sucked too.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    For the record Vic...

    by TylerDurden3395

    I LOVE Friday 4, it's my third favorite of the series. And Eat a dick is by far one of the kindest things someone's told me in a talkback so it's all good...

  • July 18, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    I'd have to say a three hour cut would be awesome

    by just pillow talk

    more batty goodness.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Antonphd -

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    Your idea is AWESOME! Spot-on casting idea. And keeping it period with the frozen lead-in for Avengers... perfect. Here's hoping it happens!

  • July 18, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    JustpillowTalk

    by DarfurFTW

    My point exactly.Yea it is risky storytelling wise as well, but idn, it could easily work. Ill the filmmaking to Nolan and crew, no worries. Just hoping the sequel can live up to this one.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Blofeld

    by Bramton1

    First of all, Donald Pleasence was Blofield first, in 1967's "You Only Live Twice." Telly Savalas' Blofeld wasn't until 1969's "On Her Majesty's Secret Service." Also, Telly Savalas SUCKED in that role.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by Kaiser_Baz69

    NoI totally understand what you're saying, but its not for me I talking about. I'm already spoilered up, but for people who have been trying to avoid spoiler reviews for this and see a Harry review with no spoiler warning, well I believe this could ruin a few details that might have been able to remain fresh without this review.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    it would actually make sense if they did that

    by just pillow talk

    Darfur, especially since Nolan has shown that he doesn't mind have complete and total anarchy and chaos envelop Gotham.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    made 18 mil OPENING NIGHT

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    fuckin 'ell. its gunna make 5 times what it cost.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    made 18 mil OPENING NIGHT

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    fuckin 'ell. its gunna make 5 times what it cost to make

  • July 18, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    1st movie of my lifetime to live up to the hype.

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    It's amazing, superb stuff all around. People clapped and cheered at the end, I remember a few folks clapping at the end of EPISODE III, but wow. This audience got it, and Ledger blew me away, his entrance into the meeting with the gangsters, sold. Loved the whole thing. Fuck the haters.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    The ferry scene...

    by TylerDurden3395

    The idea behind the scene (Joker wants the citizens of Gotham to become killers like him) is sound, but it brings the movie to a screeching halt (no Bats or Joker for a good twenty minutes) and is poorly edited to boot. I'm just harping on this scene cause it just took me out of the movie. The fact that it was 2:15 in the morning and my bladder was committing hari kari didn't help either. I plan on giving TDK another viewing later in the week (without drinking an X-Large Coke before hand) and try to give it a fairer shake. Like I said previously, it was flawless for two hours.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Yea pillow

    by DarfurFTW

    It would make for an interesting story. TwoFace completely losing and not acknowledging who he truly was, while he remains on the hunt to attain "vengence" against Batman and Gordan. Throw in possibly another villian who would have a part in the bigger picture of the story and you have a movie. The quesiton is, Will there be the Joker?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Kaiser

    by just pillow talk

    Yeah, that's true. But if one wants to be spoiler free, I wouldn't read any of the reviews on the off-chance that there were spoilers in there.<p>You don't need the AICN reviews in this case to know this movie kicks your balls up to the roof of your mouth.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    TheDudeintheShadows...

    by depalma25

    It opened today. Do you mean TDK made 18 million at the Midnight showings? When the returns come in tomorrow, "Opening Day" b.o. numbers will be those showings and today's.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    anyone feelin me?

    by Errockk

    Rachel Mcadams as catwoman?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Since Heath is Gone...

    by Imperium74

    I don't think anyone else should follow his Joker. He owns the role now. If he were alive, I could see him being in the next one. He's not, so my money is on Dent not really being dead. Locked up, insane and pissed off. If Ledger doesn't get the nod for this it will be fucking amazing. I never once looked on the sceen and saw Heath Ledger. (Seen it 3 times now.) He is the Joker. Aaron Eckhart was outstanding in his role also. Damn near a flawless movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Zimmer's music score, especially Joker scenes, was fantastic

    by Reload

    Go on to Itunes and check out the tune 'Why So Serious?' from the TDK soundtrack. It gives me goosebumps and it immediately brings to mind just how insane Ledger is in this film. MINOR SPOILER AHEAD The hype is absolutely deserved on this one. And who else is happy that the film DIDN'T end on a happy note? It was quite bittersweet. Very moving as well, that Batman, the great hero, is chased by dogs in the last scene. END MINOR SPOILER

  • July 18, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I would think the Joker would not appear

    by just pillow talk

    in any more of Nolan's movies. I'm assuming Nolan is only going to do one more and I would think he wouldn't revisit the Joker so soon. As I'm not familiar with Batman from a comic perspective, is there any villain that fits into where the story is left off at? <p>I would think maybe the Catwoman like mentioned above, but who else?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    DANIEL DAY LEWIS AS THE JOKER!!!!!!!?

    by hesky75

    i have not seen tdk yet...... but thats not to say that I have not been thinking of who could replace heath! i think after the touching speech daniel day lewis gave just after heath passed away I think he would consider the role. I also think in that make up he could possibly be more scary than heath playing an older version he certainly has the look and the acting chops to add even more meat to the character. I think that would be more respectful of heath to continue the Joker in this universe following what he has set out.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Record for TDK

    by DarfurFTW

    Yea I read it too. It broker SWepisode3's previous midnite showings record on 16.5 million. TDK made 18 million. THis only counts midnite showings.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Batman's voice...

    by TylerDurden3395

    I LOVE Batman's voice when he's fucking people up, but having him talk like that during his heartfelt speech about Dent was unintentionally hilarious. Dude needed some Sucrets big time.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by vic twenty

    Despite Lucious' mention of the suit being cat-proof, I hope they don't go that route. But if this team is behind it, hell, they can do whatever they want, I'll show up.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Catwoman can't live in Nolan's world

    by DarfurFTW

  • July 18, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    SPOILER: Dent

    by bma2192

    FYI-- Dent didnt actually DIE-- theyre keeping it under wraps of what he was responsible for as Two-Face and Batman is taking the heat. It's a cover( the memorial) and theyre keeping Harvey out of site so that his reputation as DA doesnt get tarnished, which would damage the case they had against the mob-- plus his image to the public/Gotham. NOW-- why do they have to blow up EVERY batmobile?? I know he has more...but DAMN-- every other movie, no matter the director or script...they gotta blow up the damn car!! ...nice job bringing out the bike though:)

  • July 18, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I loved it but one plot hole kills me

    by Silverglade

    After Batman saves Rachel from the fall, it jumps to the next day. Isn't the Joker still inside his hotel? Isn't Harvey still locked in some small room?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    catwoman !!?

    by hesky75

    if you have to do it i still say shannon sossomon .... shes so hot!!! lol

  • July 18, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Please no Robin

    by GrubStreeter

    ever ever ever. Not in this series, or anywhere else. Worst character ever. Nolan clearly has taste, so I'm guessing we won't see him in this series.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    It's Like AICNers Just Discovered The Term Hyperbole

    by georges garvaren

    And now they are passing it around like 8th graders with a VHS copy of Debbie Does Dallas. Term's been around for a while, folks. Just like your mothers dirty puss-mop. TDK = 7.5 outta 10. Spidey 2 was slightly better. Watchmen will be best.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I wish Batman had taken Eric Robert's thumb.

    by vic twenty

    "They took my thumb, Charlie!" <p> Enter Mickey Rourke.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    STFU about replacing Heath

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    The movie's been out less than a day are you fucking kidding me!?! NO ONE'S gonna do it, Jesus H. You have the GREATEST JOKER EVER PORTRAYED playing at your local theater and your talking about who could do it better or who could carry it on, OMFG...

  • July 18, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Catwoman cant live in Nolan's world

    by DarfurFTW

    Idn just opinion. I'm not a big fan of the character and I feel like it would just bring down the Gotham City's "realistic" aim if you get what I'm saying. I always thought she was a weak character btw.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    ...anyone else found it kinda funny at the end, how....

    by The Dum Guy

    When the Joker is hanging upside down, it makes his cheeks seem bigger. Reminded of Nicholson's Joker for a second.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    The interrogation Bats gives Maroni

    by TylerDurden3395

    was the best Batman scene of any movie ever. Pure Batman. A lot better than the higher touted Joker interrogation scene. Eric Roberts is awesome. I'm glad he's finally getting good roles in high profile movies. (He WAS the bomb in DOA)

  • July 18, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    depalma, i shoulda said 18 MILL MIDNIGHT SCREENINGS

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    yea thats what i meant. EVEN CRAZIER!!! shit made 18 MILLION from the midnight showings alone. fuck, break me off some of that bread. ill take heath's share.... r.i.p. heath, id spend it well

  • July 18, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    --to the Dum Guy

    by bma2192

    --yeah-- I noticed some of that:) and why was that whole scene sort of out-of-focus?? yo camera man-- wassup with that??

  • July 18, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Bring on the next viral campaign!

    by DarfurFTW

    The Riddler's would rock the shit, even thoug I don't want to see him in the next movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    by hesky75

    why not think about someone adding to it .... I bet my ass on it that the nolans where going to include the joker character in the 3rd film as heath was signed for two films, im not questioning the fact that heath was out if this world...... but if the character is so great why stop now when you have people whose ability is just as great as heaths who may be waiting in the wings, i think daniel day lewis is a prime candidate to take over ..... not so sure about javier bardem tho 'arry!!

  • July 18, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    AND I STILL HAVENT SEEN IT

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    FUCKERS. all of you. shit sold out as i was filling out my credit card info on fandango for sunday night. now i gotta wait till FUCKIN monday. damn you. all.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Harry, Mori, somebody

    by jmyoung666

    Can we get a general talkback for those that have seen the film, so there is no concern about spoilers?

  • July 18, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    SPOILER - Skip This

    by HEADGEEK

    Re: Dent. Personally - I don't know if he's dead. We know Gordon is a conspiratorial type - a schemer. We saw him, at the very least unconscious - and we saw a dedication ceremony for him. But what if they committed him under the table to Arkham. After all - we thought Gordon was dead for a goodly portion of this movie. Like I said - I don't feel he's dead.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    He's obvious (massive spoiler)...

    by jfp2007

    Two-Face/Dent is not dead. Batman told Gordon not to let anyone else know what Dent did and told him that Gotham needed it's true hero now and then he turned the scarred side of his face to the good side. That scene after that was a memorial for his recovery, not a funeral.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I say Spoil away!

    by Bricktops hammer

    If you haven't seen it and don't wanna be spoiled, don't go on a fucking TDK talkback, it's not hard.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    yea harry

    by DarfurFTW

    thats exactly, exactly what I thought when I left the theater. Would make for s great story for the sequel.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    The Joker Would Kick Anton Chigurh's Ass

    by LaserPants

    But I bet he'd get along with Daniel Plainview.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    TheDudeintheShadoows...

    by depalma25

    Dude, I was so looking forward to seeing this in IMAX. Sold out until Wednesday!

  • July 18, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    DarfurFTW

    by jfp2007

    How in the hell is Catwoman unrealistic? She's a cat burglar who dresses up like a cat and can kick Batman's ass and that's it. There's nothing unrealistic about her.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Hey HG!

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    As JFP2007 said, "It's obvious..." about the possibility that Dent is not really dead. And nothing Nolan ever did in this film was obvious. Makes me think that a repeat of the 'dead fake' might not be so likely...

  • July 18, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    hesky75

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Nolan, if he does a third film. WIll carry on with someone else, and not revisit the Joker, there's no way, especially if he gets nominated. Alot of folks wanted someone else to try Joker cause Nicholson was so shit at it. And here he is, the greatest Joker portryal I've ever seen, and people wanna talk about OLDER actors talking over? That was one of the big gripes about Nicholson's Joker, come on, just leave it alone Heath's Joker was perfect.

  • July 18, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Where's Jonah Echo and Dannyglovers_Dickblood

    by Bricktops hammer

    Wondering what you guys thought of it?

  • July 18, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I dunno on Dent's fate....

    by The Dum Guy

    He did say that he wasn't planning out leaving the warehouse, and he did almost kill himself so it would seem death was the only possibilty. Although as far as a character progression goes, it could seem to him that Dent is dead and only Two-Face remains, if he didn't really die.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man were better

    by TylerDurden3395

    There I said it. TDK was more nuaced and textured Incredible Hulk was tightly edited and Iron Man was a heck of a lot more fun.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Catwoman's a bitch

    by DarfurFTW

    Idn how well she would fit into this universe Nolan has created.Just my opinion. Wouldn't stop me from seeing the movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Was it just me...

    by depalma25

    or was the usual charasmatic (to the point of over-acting sometimes) Eric Roberts, a complete bore? Spoilers ahead! And I knew Ramirez would be a traitor the moment she first appeared on screen. Also, it was obvious Gordon was the driver of the transport truck. Boy, talk about nitpicking, but fuck it, it's hard to find any criticism with this film.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    hesky75

    by Bricktops hammer

    They have to do something with the Joker in the next film, whether it's a guy in the shadows of a jail cell, a new actor, or explaining away why he's not around. Also, from the dialogue in the scene with Caine and Bale discussing the new suit and how it will work against cats, it would seem that they are at least THINKING about using Catwoman.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    John Byrne is batshit insane, that's why

    by ebonic_plague

    Also, ******SPOILER******<p> (Dent's not dead. Nolan said it was a mistake for Burton to kill the Joker, why would he set up Dent just to unconvincingly kill him off? If he was really dead, I think they would have made it clear. Plus, it's a comic book. The villain always lives to fight another day.)

  • July 18, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Shannon Sossaman as Catwoman?

    by The_joker

    We all know the obvious choice is Halle Berrym choicei I

  • July 18, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    thanks harry

    by darthnoodle

    good review. i agree with you sentiments. did you see it on the imax screen? the only drawback to imax is that i spend more mental energy trying to take in the visuals that sometimes i miss hearing what is being said. i am going again tomorrow to see it on a "normal" screen. i need to hear gordon's monologue at the end. i think it may be a great piece of writing. no clue where they take the character from here or what villains they introduce. i just hope nolan takes his time crafting another perfect script and doesn't give into studio pressure a la raimi with spiderman 3. based on nolan's intent to keep batman reality based, he is limiting himself to what villains can plausibly be put on screen. maybe the next movie will be about batman trying to change his image from the scary murderer to something a more noble in the vain of harvey dent that good gothamites can look up to. perhaps that would cause batman to alter his costume into something gray and blue, and maybe taking on a young ward. god i hope not.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    re: the ferry (spoilers)

    by CherryValance

    I also thought whichever group pulled the pin would blow themselves up. Had I been on the normal people boat, I would have pulled it before thinking of that though. :o

  • July 18, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    depalma25

    by Bricktops hammer

    I mentioned to my brother after that Eric Roberts didn't annoy me, which was enough, I'd rather him boring than his usual over-the-top acting style. Also, it was pretty obvious that Gordon was driving, but still didn't bother me.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    What's with the recent trashing of Batman Begins

    by alpeter3

    First off, I haven't seen TDK yet (seeing it in 7 hours from now... yay!!) and I'm totally stoked about it. I truly feel it will live up to the hype and I've been very careful to avoid any major spoilers (even though I REALLY want to know what two face is going to finally look like). That said, I gotta ask, what the hell is up with all the recent AICN people saying stuff like "it's a definite improvement from Batman Begins" and "no more of that crappy 'I won't kill you but I don't have to save you' dialogue". I don't know about the rest of you, but in my opinion, Batman Begins kicked ALL KINDS OF ASS!!! I loved that movie and it's because of that movie that I think this movie is going to totally blow me away. The way they handled the back story (no people, the joker did NOT kill Thomas and Martha Wayne, thank you Chris Nolan for clearing that up), the way he starts building his array of "toys" with the help of Lucius Fox, the way they actually give Jim Gordan a true soul rather than making him some stupid bumbling fool, and finally... FINAL-Fucking-LY they are able to do the character of Alfred true justice. No offense to the Tim Burton movies (but MAJOR offense intended to those Joel Schumacher cinematic abortions). Micheal Keaton, Jack Nicholson, Alfred Gough, even the Legendary Billy Dee Lando Williams; all of them did a SUPERB job in their respective roles. But they were unfortunately put into Tim Burton movies that happened to have Batman characters. Not a real, pure, "Batman" movie. Batman Begins did exactly what it was supposed to do. It was supposed to make us forget the past; forget Jack Napier, forget Vicki Vale, forget Prince, and ESPECIALLY forget Bat-Nipples! It did that job perfectly in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I think that TDK is going to be even better, but not in the "it's going to correct the mistakes of Batman Begins" way, because Batman Begins had no mistakes. It will be better in that "you just ate a perfectly cooked filet mignon; now here's a 21 year old single malt scotch, to wash it down while you get a hummer from the emmaculate Angelina Jolie (or pick your own favorite to replace her if you wish)" way. What?.... Too much detail? Sorry Anyway, my point is that Batman Begins needs no "improvement". It was the "first course" of the meal. It was the "appetizer", and a DAMN TASTY one at that. TDK is simply going to be the second course. And with that I'll stop my rant. Bon Appetit' Everyone! Enjoy the show!

  • July 18, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Sean Young would make a great Catwoman

    by Dingleberry Jones

    All she needs to do is make her own costume and chase down Nolan, stalker-style.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    by hesky75

    I see what you are saying .....but !!! as with batman begins they had an idea of the dark knight as goyer (lightly penned) a 3 film script. Im guessing but it would be a pity to change whatever was planned (lightly) on account of heath passing. Nolan has got it right up to now and heath signed a 2 movie deal so at some point the joker was coming back again in batman 3. I would never want a repeat of Nicholson's Joker as that was always cak and highly over rated but at least day lewis has the frame, has the gauntness and always seems younger than he is, in other words he isnt an old fatty! But if there was a story arc with a continuation on the joker in this series i wanna see it. Whether we like it or not heath will not be the last person to play the joker on screen, and he has by al account put in the diffinitive joker, I just hope they dont changed the 3rd film to much now heath has very sadly gone

  • July 18, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    If they were to do Catwoman

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    It would be a nice twist to have Ghul's daughter Talia really work Bat's gadget, hehehe.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by DarfurFTW

    Had the same fucking shit the second time I saw it(won advance tickets to a screening on tuesday). Fucking scum of the earth.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    It seems

    by tomdolan04

    in vogue now the dark knight is out and Heath Ledger, by all accounts, has done a fantastic job as the Joker to criticize Jack Nicholson. <p> Whilst in retrospect Jacks Joker may not measure up to the writing and different motivational story of Ledgers Joker, I don't believe for one second in '89 Harry had such disdain for the villian on offer. Just no. <p> Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I take issue to such correctional history. The Dark Knight's acclaim offers wonderful things to future 'comic book adaptations' and hopefully they'll be taken more seriously, but saying pretty much 'oh I always knew it could be this way' is lame excusionalist behaviour. No offence though Harry, I like you're style and a frequent visitor of the site.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    One SPOILERY bit of nitpicking...

    by ebonic_plague

    *SPOILER* When the bald guy on the civilian ferry stepped up to push the detonator button for the prisoner ferry, then felt bad about it and put it down, I thought it would be a WAY more realistic comment on our society to have the soccer mom w/ the little kid say "Fuck that, no convict is gonna blow up my baby!" and make a hysterical grab for the detonator. As wormy as the bald businessman stereotype is meant to be, nobody can out-do an overprotective mocha mom for ends-justify-the-means cold bloodedness.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    i disagree with harry on one thing:

    by percane

    i don't want to see anyone else put on the paint in the next movie. when bale, nolan, and everyone moves on, then sure, let the recasting begin, but one of the things that ruined the burton begun franchise was the musical recasting. nolan's batman has a distinct continuity to it, i don't want to be pulled out of my suspension of disbelief by being reminded that it's a different actor. they were able to get away with it with rachel dawes, but really her character wasn't that important. she existed only to provide motivation for the other characters. that's true for both films. also, one of the things that irritates me with the superman franchise is the constant fight against lex luthor. yes, i realize he's superman's nemesis, but over the course of 60 years these heroes have built up such a tremendous rogue's gallery it's really lazy and boring to keep recycling the same villains. i really liked that about batman begins, that they used a villain that hadn't been in a batman film before.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're nuts!

    by slowgraffiti

    The Joker is no more. Having any ANY other actor play him (in Nolan's series) would send a shiver down the spine of every single person who watch the Dark Knight.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    halle berry wtf !!!! Joker

    by hesky75

    shannon sossomon all the way for catwoman she is soooooooooo fine and sexy !! movin on ahem! bricktops hammer you are right I do think the joker will be in the next one i think it was planned that way, i just keep comin back to a two movie deal and i dont think i would have been a bit part like scarecrow

  • July 18, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    It would be interesting...

    by DarfurFTW

    if they created an entire new villian for the third film. I don't plan on seeing that, but its just a thought.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    hesky75

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I think they were going to do something similar with Scarecrow in TDK, which was cool, but pointless. So it wouldn't really have measured up to anything plot wise, IMO. I think now, they'll change up a possible 5-10 minute appearance and carry on.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    I'm no hater...

    by slowgraffiti

    But Batman Returns is easily one of the worst films ever made. I watched it on cable the other night and could only continue it's viewing in total shock. Horrible. Absolute dreck, and that's coming from a pretty big fanboy of, well, anything.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    hahaha

    by DarfurFTW

    yea soylentmean, i finally snapped a fews years back and stood up during King Kong and yelled,"why dont you suck my cock with that open mouth assholes." to a family whose kids wouldnt stfu at the midnite showing. Cmon for real bring your family during the day, not at the fucking midnight showing where you have the real fans.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    slow graffiti

    by hesky75

    get over it.... ALL of you get over having someone else play the joker ! if its done right you wont even notice after 20 min into the film, and whos to say that someone else may match the current performance !!?

  • July 18, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    hesky75

    by Bricktops hammer

    I really kinda like the idea of have a Joker in jail in the shadows so that the recasting would't matter too much. But MAN they really have to get the voice right if they do that. Kind of like Lecter in the scene with the towel in Silence. Maybe Batman could use him much the same way Clarise used Hannibal. Shit, The Joker could even escape at the end and you wouldn't even have to see it. I don't know, it really really sucks that he died.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Wow @ all these shit stories from the midnight show

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I went to a little 6 theater where about 30 people showed up, and no one laughed at the joker dialogue, though I did clap at the magic trick scene, and at the end, they knew how to how a movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    slowgraffiti

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I think you were watching BATMAN & ROBIN, no. I'm pretty sure you were. :D

  • July 18, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Slowgraffiti

    by Bricktops hammer

    Amen, I fucking hate that movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp = JOKER next time?

    by PeterParkerRG

    I know it'd be intimidating as hell for any actor to follow in Heath's footsteps considering how amazingly he owned that role... BUT... if they did bring the Joker back, Depp's the only actor I could see stepping up and nailing it. Isn't he subbing for Ledger on the new Gilliam film?

  • July 18, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Ebert gave Dark Knight 4 Stars!!!

    by Orionsangels

  • July 18, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    "how to how a movie"

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    it's how you start a catchphrase. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to sound right.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    by hesky75

    i dont think it would have been a 10 min of the film something maybe more substantial, like harry said im all for someone taking the character on .... but they are gonna have to good, real fucking good as if this story will stay dark and in the film where the joker says we'll be doing this forever !! it just makes you wonder that there are some legs left in that story

  • July 18, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Depp's an interesting idea

    by Bricktops hammer

    Could work

  • July 18, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Robin

    by caveman65

    It can be done. Probably shouldn't, but keep him as a side helper who mainly does surveillance and helps Batman out tactically. (Like Luscius did with the sonar.) If he fights, it is only in extreme cases.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Oct

    by Bricktops hammer

    No doubt. Definitely not dead. Can't believe everyone thinks he is.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    it does suck that he died

    by hesky75

    seemed a cool chap with a shit load of talent :(

  • July 18, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Teh Suck

    by Bricktops hammer

    Why the Depp hatred?

  • July 18, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    hesky75

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I don't know, I just can't see anyone else topping that, and anyone who would try on a dead man's shoes. Ledger is the Joker in my mind, and it's fucked up he's got a action figure kiddies are playing with.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Harvey Dent is Dead/ Two-Face lives

    by DarfurFTW

    its that simple. No other analysis needed.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by Bricktops hammer

    Maybe!?! Loved Brick, and that new heist movie he was in wasn't bad. Just maybe....

  • July 18, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Teh

    by Bricktops hammer

    Dude, it'll be tough for ANYBODY to match that performance, we're just throwing out some ideas of who could take over a roll that seems likely in the next film, if only for a few scenes. That said, I wish they could replace Keanu with Depp in every fucking movie Keanu's ever done, he he

  • July 18, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    a role, not a roll, I'm retarded

    by Bricktops hammer

  • July 18, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    River's Edge, huh?

    by Bricktops hammer

    I probably skipped it because he was in it. I'll have to check it out.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis or Depp Could Do It

    by LaserPants

    I'm leaning much heavier in favor of DDL since his turn as Daniel Plainview ranks among the top five best performances in any film ever since the dawn of film itself.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    From the summer that brought us Meet Dave and The Happening..

    by The Dum Guy

    We get a good movie.<br><br>I wonder what would happen if the Joker got with the Scarecrow to whip up some Joker/Fear toxin-gas to spray on Gotham and had Two-Face running around trying to find enough Visine for his left eye, which has no eye lid and would cause major discomfort from drying. Maybe, there is a better story instead.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    NO ONE

    by BrightEyes

    CAN PLAY JOKER AFTER THIS! FUCKING NO ONE!!!!!

  • July 18, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Laserpants

    by Bricktops hammer

    I'm convinced DDL can play anything...so yeah, I agree.

  • July 18, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    The Joker

    by Bricktops hammer

    is a constant figure in the Batman universe. Someone else IS going to have to play him. Period

  • July 18, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    I Think Both Dent And The Joker Will Be Back

    by LaserPants

    But the Joker's role will be reduced to him playing a kind of Hannibal Lecter behind-the-glass type of character. Of course it sucks ass that he will have to be recast, but if they get someone great, I think it can be pulled off. It just sucks so bad that Ledger died because it really is a remarkable performance. <br><br> Heres a weird though... maybe the death was faked like Gordon's death and he'll be back again??? No, thats, thats just wrong, I'm sorry. R.I.P. Heath. Thanks for giving us the greatest Joker ever and one of the greatest villains ever in the history of film.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Odd plot hole

    by Crestfallen

    I don't understand why there was no follow up to the joker busting in on Wayne's party for Dent. Batman jumps out the window after Rachel leaving the joker and his thugs with the guests. After catching Rachel and they talk there's a cut to the next day, some convo with Gordon and other cops. WTF?

  • July 18, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Oct, you win

    by Bricktops hammer

    22 years older, wow. Lets hope Joey's up to it

  • July 18, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    3rd one?

    by Roffstafarian

    I dunno if I really wanna see a 3rd one. I mean, trilogies never really end up paying off the way they should. Just a few examples: GODFATHER, STAR WARS, X-MEN...to name a few. But should a 3rd Batman come about, why not have Ra's return with Talia at his side? Have Bruce seriously reconsider his offer of the ultimate "ends justify the means" approach of saving Gotham? Also, I'm just curious to see if the dude that found out about Bruces' night life has anything to do in part 3. But then again that's just me.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Crestfallen

    by Bricktops hammer

    Joker dropped the broad so he and his goons could escape, no need for a scene

  • July 18, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Amen, good sir.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    When did the bad guys team up again?

    by Bricktops hammer

    Didn't happen in the movie I saw, quite the opposite, actually

  • July 18, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I Agree With Crestfallen

    by LaserPants

    There needed to be something to follow up on the party, even if it was just a quick shot of Joker leaving with what was left of his crew, or Batman going back to the party and finding out that Joker split but he left a card that said something darkly humorous. The jump from that scene to the next day was definitely jarring. Just a quibble, I know, cause I fucking LOVED the movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    What was wrong with Jack?

    by canopus

    Yeah, Heath Ledger was better, but I think Burton made the joker as crazy as the suits would let him back in the 80s. We saw how dark he made the Penguin in the sequel, when he had more power. Heath Ledger was great, but that doesn't take anything away from Jack Nicholson's performance, he deserved his accolades back in the day.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Oh, and if they bring the Joker back

    by canopus

    he should be played by Johnny Depp.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Also, about the whole Oscar nom thing....

    by Roffstafarian

    Should Heath get nominated? Abso-fuckin-lutely. Will he win? Dunno. Honestly I'll be fucking thrilled if it goes as far as the nomination. I mean, c'mon, they nomoinated a guy for playing a drunk, slightly gay pirate in a movie based on a theme park ride! no reason to ignore ledgers' performance in this one.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Soylent

    by Bricktops hammer

    I think there are actors that would JUMP at the chance to portray the Joker in the next movie. Methinks you underestimate the collective egos in Hollywood

  • July 18, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Jack's Is Campy, Ledger's Is Legendary

    by LaserPants

    Jack's take was more in line with the 60s tv show, just gothed up. Ledger's is on par with the greatest, most frightening, and most sinister villains in film history.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    yeah

    by CherryValance

    I don't think they should recast. Having said that I don't know how they'll get around it. It was fairly obvious that this wasn't going to be it for the Joker.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Laserpants

    by Bricktops hammer

    There's probably a scene that got cut. Def want to see that 3hr version if it exists

  • July 18, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Bricktops hammer, et. al.

    by Crestfallen

    It's a small issue, and you're probably right regarding what the film makers were intending. But it's one thing to imply something like an off-screen death, of which there are many in TDK, and another to jump to an unrelated scene without any clear coherence. It seems more like an oversight.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    3rd Movie Villains

    by jamsun1227

    Penguin/Oswald Cobblepot -- The criminal element needs a legitimate businessman with a shady underside to organize crime. Two-Face will run the shady underside and report back to Cobblepot....Catwoman -- She can fit into this world b/c now that the major crime lords are gone, it's a free for all and the petty thieves are the ones who fly under the radar.....I don't see this franchise going past 4-5 movies tops so to bring another actor in to play the Joker would be an insult to Ledger's performance.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    That said- That said- That said - That Said

    by WolfmanNards

    Jack Nicholson was a fucking awesome joker. And that Batman movie was better than anything Nolan could ever conjure.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    3rd Movie Villains --- Part 2

    by jamsun1227

    Penguin/Cobblepot challenges Wayne's hold on Gotham while Catwoman fits with the split personality/dichotomy of the others in the movies....How fine a line is there between good and evil?

  • July 18, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Crestfallen

    by Bricktops hammer

    True, possibly a cut scene in the 3hr version

  • July 18, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Batman's cowl

    by Crestfallen

    At times the mask on Bale's face looked terrible and awkward, particularly close-ups, at times it also seemed that the eye holes were too low, and looked weird. Also, Bale's Batman voice seemed grating and a little weak at times (ex. when he says he's not wearing hockey pads and his speech to the joker about the heroism of the gothamites). I wish they had done some post-production distortion to help him out a bit. Anyhow, I did like the film. These are just slight nuisances.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Nice review Harry

    by strosmer

    Anxiously waiting to see it myself on Sunday. What intrigues me most about Dark Knight is the very thing you touched upon in your review, the idea of escalation. That conversation between Gordon and Batman at the end of Begins set up my anticipation for this movie pretty damn well. It's what I've been focused on throughout the entire campaign for Dark Knight. What are we in store for? I could care less if Dark Knight is Oscar-worthy or not. I only want to see what Nolan has in mind when it comes to escalation. From what I hear, every aspect of this film is elevated over the previous one. Big question now is will escalation continue into the third film (I assume Nolan is helming a trilogy)? If so, Nolan has a set a high bar for himself here. Could he deliver the first trilogy where, IMO, the third film is greater than both its predecessors? Doubtful, but an intriguing notion nonetheless.<p>And Harry, way to give props to Oldman. I thought he did a great rendition of Gordon in Begins, and I'm anxious to see how his role develops along with the rest of the returning cast. I'll take my leave of this talkback for now until I've seen the movie myself. Way too many spoilers floating around now. Hope everyone is having a ball this weekend. Cheers!

  • July 18, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Ledger was good, Eckhart was better

    by br1947

    That's really the shame in this, Eckhart really knocked it out of the park and is being overshadowed by Ledger's death. I really credit the writers more than Ledger in this version of the Joker. Little things like the magic trick and the fire truck on fire, things that only the Joker would find funny scattered throughout the movie really made the character work. Ledger did a good job with a great script, but I have a feeling if he was handed the 89 Batman script it would have been nearly a mirror of Nicholson's performance. Eckhart really pulled the movie off though in my opinion. He just came across as such a decent guy that radiated warmth in the beginning, which made his fall so much worse. Hope to see the guy cast in alot more visable roles soon. I'm really hoping for Riddler or Bane for the next one, I could see either working very well in this Batman universe. I have a feeling they are going to go for a Selina Kyle \ Catwoman pic next time tho with Racheal gone now.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    If Ledger spent a whole month in seclusion to play Joker, then..

    by The Dum Guy

    If an actor wanted to one up on on the role and really own the role of the Joker for another sequel, they should go into seclusion for a few years and try to get into character. Of course they might go insane.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    All in all, I think I feel sorriest for the Batman imposter guy

    by Greggers

    The scene where we see his execution was heartbreaking. He was so childlike in his misguided devotion, and so terrified at his predicament, and the fact that we knew how it was going to end made it all the more horrible. This may sound trite, but I think Batman imposter guy was every kid who dreamed of being Batman. Batman imposter guy was our proxy.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Batman fucked my Momma...

    by kulik

    spit in my eye and punched me in the Taint...then I got up and said.."Please sir..may I have another..."

  • July 18, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Rappin Duke

    by Bricktops hammer

    "This movie kind of reminded me of the spin-off movie they made from the live action tv series way back in the 70's or 60's where all the bad guys team up on Batman." Didn't remind me of that at all

  • July 18, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Jack was boring as Joker

    by antonphd

    I watched that when it came out and I've seen it numerous times since...that was a phone in performance from Jack... it was like he thought 'this is just a stupid comic book movie that i'm getting paid a shitload of money for, let's make sure i don't cost myself too many street cred points by taking this seriously'. I honestly don't know why anyone liked him in the role beyond some kind of projection of his previous roles onto the character of the Joker. Cause watching him in Batman was like watching him in the Adam Sandler movie. But, hey, maybe for people who knew and loved Jack it was a hell of a good time and I'm happy they enjoyed themselves. I just thought he was fat and creepy in a molesting uncle kind of way.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    3hr version

    by Crestfallen

    Unfortunately, I doubt we'll ever see this extended cut. Nolan seems to be the sort of director who argues that the theatrical cut is the final and directorial cut (i.e., the best version of the movie). He also never includes commentaries or deleted scenes.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    never liked Ledger before, but he was as good as the hype

    by BMacSmith

    wow

  • July 18, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Reverend Harry Powell from Night of the Hunter?

    by grungies

    Max Cady gets all the praise, but I don't think I've ever heard anything like that scream Mitchum unleashes in the river. It's damn bizarre how I could laugh and have my pants scared off in the same scenes with that character.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Jack Nicholson in The Shining

    by Prossor

    was a better Joker performance than the one in Batman 89 i have to admit lol

  • July 18, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Staged

    by deaddovedontoeat

    I thoguht that Dent was really dead till everyone pointed out you don't KNOW he's dead, then I felt retarded. So, I think its staged. I've also read stuff that implies that we don't know the whole story about Rachel. But come one, someone's gotta actually be dead, right? (just not gordon, a fine performance there, HP fucked itself because one of their only fine actor's characters is killed)

  • July 18, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    A fat man-child who watches superhero

    by brobdingnag

    movies for a living calling anyone who disagrees with him juvenile...now THAT is some funny shit.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    One thought I've had about replacing Joker...

    by SilentP

    is to introduce Harley, as like a Joker copycat. But I dunno, Harley without Joker might not work. Just a thought, though.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    OK, RD

    by Bricktops hammer

    In the old movie I seem to remember The Joker, The Riddler, The Penguin, The Catwoman, The Mad Hatter and I think I'm forgetting someone, all teaming up. In this one there was The Joker and some Two-Face and the mob(s) all trying to fuck each other over. Similar? Guess we'll have to agree to disagree

  • July 18, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Finally, a Hollowood movie onboard with the war on terror

    by Immortal_Fish

    Finally, a Hollowood movie onboard with the war on terror<P>Yeah, I'm a conservative. Get over it now before reading further. No, I don't like Bush. And I certainly do not like McCain. Yet I am on board with the war on terror at large. I write this with understanding that the war on terror does not mean killing a single man, Bin Laden (aka the Joker). I know many of this site's frequentors feel differently. Sorry. We disagree. Please spare me your juvenile insults if you respond to this TB. Instead, check out the first article in the Bill of Rights which so recently afforded Jesse Jackson a convenient double-standard. On the other hand, rational debate is certainly encouraged.<P>To me, this movie was a refreshing Hollowood take on questioning how the war on terror is being prosecuted. It wasn't all lefty-leany. The atypical Hollowood fare. Instead, the flick was very "fair and balanced" if you AICN majority liberals can stomach such a phrase. Ultimately, this carefully nuanced movie made me think long and hard about the steps we've taken as a nation toward such an end.<P>The scene with the two cruise ships astounded me. I had thought the set up was that the Joker planted the detonator on each ship FOR that ship. In other words, had they pressed the trigger, they would have blown up their own ship. Another ho-hum done-that-before arc. I was pleasantly suprised that the movie portrayed Americans, of any stripe, as above sacrificing others to benefit themselves. Even if such sacrifice meant that of "cold hearted" crimminals. You left-leaners should understand this already were I to stereotype you. I write the word "perhaps" in jest. Of course you do. We conservatives were the ones stereotyed in that particular scene and you know it. And we were portrayed fairly. That resonated with me big time. Especially since it is accurate, despite what you may think.<P>Look, there is no clearer message than the cell phone "sonic" technology that Fox created which Batman employed -- "unilaterally" even. It's all about the Bush wiretapping, period. Fox (pun?) clearly had issues with the use of such a tool and theatened Batman with a dissolvement of their relationship at risk of Gotham at large. And yet, Batman made his promises and used this technology only to its intended end, the elimination of the Joker. Afterward, it was destroyed. He ultimately upheld the peoples' trust and Lucius's trust.<P>Opposing Batman is not the Joker. It was Dent. The typical fall from grace arc that I normally would be bored with if it wasn't utilized as such a contrast and analogy to that of Batman's. Dent had truly noble beginnings that ultimately dissolved when things got personal (i.e. harkening to how the alleged allegations of Dubya seeking payback for 41's assassination attempt). Where Batman tempered his vigilante ways with a code of ethics and morality, Dent made his sinister choices on a luck of the draw. Perhaps, even, the "heat of the moment." The likes of which the USA has been justly and heavily criticized of this in recent years.<P>Which brings me to the question this movie urged me to consider -- is my home country embodied by Batman or Dent? We are acting unilaterally in many ways. Most countries often do. As were the folks on the cruise ships, both felon and civilian. But are our actions in the interest of the greater good (Batman) or are we acting totally irrationally (Dent)? AND how can we deal with such shit when a force of nature (the Joker) is literally laughing in our faces while we ponder? <P>How rare in this day and age for a high budget Hollowood movie, a COMIC BOOK movie at that, to force us to reflect and decide? I think I enjoyed this ethical dillemma more than the movie itself.<P>Go ahead. Rip me up. You know you want to. BTW, the Obamassiah was against wiretapping (http://tinyurl.com/5jwv92) before he was for it (http://tinyurl.com/5bghgb). But absolute truths are inadmissable when it's so much more easy to paint someone a racist.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    In the 3rd movie....

    by The Dum Guy

    <br>Batman has got to somehow redeem himself, he can't be seen as a murderer for too long or else the symbol of the Batman as justice is screwed.<br><br>And, the Joker knows Bats would never kill from first hand experience, so he could (would'a) use that knowledge against Batman somehow.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    "Two-Face lives"

    by My friends call me Killjoy

    Time for the T-shirts!!!

  • July 18, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Who said juvenile?

    by JediRob

  • July 18, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

    by elric666

    What an utter waste of a movie! I so had high hopes for it and I fell for all the praise lavished on Ledger's Joker. That was the one and only reason to see this putrid drivel of a movie. I started reading Harry's comments and I sensed apologism between the lines. It might not be your type of movie because of X. Terrible way to disguise a bad movie. From the jump all over the place editing to the weak screenplay I was so let down in every way. First: The Suit! Clunky, distracting, and ugly. At times it looked so bad it destroyed any kind of menace or mystique about the hero. He didn't feel like a superhero at all, just an ordinary man in a ridiculous suit. Ugh* Sell us w/some coolness at minimum. Gawd! Two: Bale...Phony acting and he couldn't sell Bruce or Batman to save his life. Walking in with the sluts off the helicopter and into the fundraiser seemed so uncomfortable for him. Downey Jr, now he sold playboy billionaire. Bale just didn't/couldn't sell it there or with Batman. And talk frickin' normal already! If Kent can wear glasses to disguise his Superman identity, I think we can roll w/a normal talking Batman. It wasn't menacing in the least. Three: Fight scenes...hang the choreographer from the gallows. Tight closeups to disguise how lame the fighting was does not help either. Four: Nolan...Cannot...repeat, cannot direct action! He barely musters on the drama scale either. Five: Screenplay...Probably the most grievous offense of all, the story just sucked ass. From the stilted contrived go nowhere dialogue to overuse of smashcutting. I just felt like an outsider looking in and not really a part of the movie. I wasn't transported to this gritty Gotham they tried to portray. Six: Big name stars...Couldn't save this movie from being lamo. Caine, Freeman and Oldman were so wasted. I felt bad for Heath, his last send off movie that he just owned and it had to be in this steaming pile of turd. He deserved better from cinematography, directing, and screenplay. His talent, so wasted. Seven:Rachel...Why bother? Leave out the character if their ain't gonna be some heat. And cast a character that at least brings some heat. Eight:Reboot the series with a new director and screenwriter. I know what they were going for but it just doesn't work in a superhero movie. There was no joy and rush at all watching this movie and the theater I sat in I saw many restless people. When the lights went up, I saw a lot of disappointment from young and old people. Nine:Too damn long! Mainly because it was a chore watching the thing. I can sit through a LOTR marathon if necessary because I forget my surroundings. Not this. And not ever again. Ten:Shoot whoever greenlit this turd. Okay, hang 'em. I gave Begins a chance but two thirds through when we reached climax the director lost control and it was an incredible mess from story to directing. I lied to myself and said I'll just go for Heath. Fine. But I also paid to see 'Batman'. What a joyless piece of crap. And those comparing this to Heat. Yeah, this was crappy knockoff then and a poor job at that. I grew up reading Batman and this was not Batman. This was a silly impostor Batman like the vigilantes in the first act. DC...For godsake, reboot! That won't happen because of the big weekend take. I had to laugh when I read from writers on this site that how could there be a third? If only they'd stop at two. Take about five years off and rethink, recast and rewrite. I still want my money back.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Okay, so my reference links are switched

    by Immortal_Fish

    The point remains.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhall is a fucking DOG- seriously not attractive

    by Jugdish

    Movie was good but her ugly ass face was a distraction

  • July 18, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt wow!

    by Warcraft

    could be heath's spiritual succesor! you gotta figure the next batman won't be out for another 3 to 4 years, in with Joseph will be well into his 30's by then. this could work!

  • July 18, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    elric666::: are you serious? why so serious?

    by The Dum Guy

    "I just felt like an outsider looking in and not really a part of the movie." Two reasons for that: (1) It is a movie not a video game (2) Unless you helped make the movie, I don't see how you can feel you are a part of it.<br><br>I'm sure you loved Batman and Robin (are you Joel Schumucker?)

  • July 18, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Fuck 1989.

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Fuck it in its stupid, big ass balloon, Prince soundtrack, fucking parade float, 'Love That Joker', Smylex, bullshit cornhole. This fucking Joker IS the fucking Joker, end of fucking story.<p>The whole time I watched this, I fucking knew that this guy was a crazy fuck. It wasn't 'guy pretending to be bugnuts' it was 'This guy's fucking crazy, and being around him too long, your ass will go crazy too.'. That he was crazy in a way that no one would want to emulate, a villain that was villainous and enough of a pathetic shit that you just can't look away from him. Finally, a villain I liked and loathed myself for laughing at at the same time. Joker? A fucking nutbar with knives and some kind of idiot savant ability to plan fucking carnage. I imagine the first couple of months that Keyser Soze went on his rampage of revenge? He was like this guy...only not quite as crazy.<p> This Joker is unique, and yet, THE fucking Joker. He's not an affable goofy vaude-villain, like Caesar Romero...He's not the fucking lunatic 'artiste' that Nicholson jerked off onto the screen...nor is he the over the top Joker that Hamill made awesome on the cartoon...In fact, the cartoon Joker would be scared of this fucker. The Arkham Asylum one shot would BE this Joker, and 'The Killing Joke' Joker would BE this Joker. The DKR Joker, Miller's crowning achievement? This is the Joker the Bat would break necks for. The Nolans wrote a balls to the wall, DETECTIVE COMICS Batman story that played out like a mini series on the screen. It was fucking fantastic. It is, however, just a flick, but fuck, man. It's pretty fucking amazing that something this good got past the boards with 'comic book' as its source.<p>The ferry scene was good because by this point, you're sitting in your seat, squirming, because this movie's not pulling your pud pretending that everything's gonna be fine, that Batman can save everyone, it's telling you that thinking everything's gonna be fine is not only a lie, but the worst thing you can do in their shitty world because with guys like the Joker...you NEVER know.<p>SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SEEN IT<p> I think the Joker rigged the detonators to blow up the boats they were on, not the other boat. <p>They got every single thing right about Batman. Everything. He's a detective in this flick, and a badass. They got every character right, and Rachel Dawes was the perfect character for this flick. It was so damned good.<p>The Nolans deserve the fucking nod for this screenplay. Oscars, baby. This flick deserves it.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    br1947

    by CherryValance

    I also thought that under different circumstances Eckhart would be getting more attention. It was almost Dent's movie. I'd be interested to see the amount of screen time each character had.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    elric666 is BOTH Akvia Goldsman and Joel Schumacher

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish

    by LaserPants

    I love how you start out your rant with an impassioned plea for rational discourse and not to bash conservatives, and then spend the next several paragraphs spewing invectives about how liberals are psychotic unamerican cretins who can't have rational discourse! Haha! Oh man. You basically modeled the whole neocon rhetorical process so succinctly and indicted yourself so completely in the process that I almost suspect you are satirizing the whole (now thankfully dead) neocon movement. Priceless! Thanks for the laugh. Maybe you should write for Stephen Colbert?

  • July 18, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by antonphd

    Thanks for your thoughts about how this film's themes were absolutely about our country in a post 9/11 world. Everything from wire tapping to rendition and torture and even health care(the cop who did the thing for the reason). This film was meant to make the audience think about all of these things. There are some statements that the film makes, but others that it really just leaves you to think about yourself. What would you do? What have we done? I am happy that this film finally succeeded in bringing a large portion of our country into a conversation about these issues... all in a super hero movie. Gotta love that.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Immortal_Fish

    Yeah, I am an invective spewing neocon cretin that wants to read anything but discourse from far lefty liberals. You are absolutely correct.<P>Having written that, please respond to the "other" words you read in my post. Thanks.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    aaron eckhart is great in everything he's in.

    by BMacSmith

  • July 18, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    question for those who've seen TDK

    by JackieGleasonUFO

    few years from now,after this movie's been on dvd and special edition dvd for a while,you decide you wanna watch a batman film, is this the one you're gonna go for first, would you ever consider watching batman 89 ever again? i am a fan, haven't seen TDK yet, just wondering how you feel about that.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    elric666

    by antonphd

    i want my 6 seconds that i spent scanning your crying over $10 back. mow some extra laws kiddo. it's not the end of the world.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    holy fuck!

    by ultragoregrind

    I just got back... 7pm est show. I can't believe i actually saw that. amazing. best batman movie - ever. i have no idea how it can be topped. this is now the benchmark for superhero films... and fuck is it set high. no one... NO ONE can play the joker ever again... sigh.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    JackieGleasonUFO

    by ultragoregrind

    Batman 89 is dead to me.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish

    by LaserPants

    Oh no, I'm far too liberal to have discourse with you, why should I bother. No liberal is capable of having rational discourse, remember? You said so yourself. Gosh it must be tough being a downtrodden white right winger. I hope I didn't hurt your wickle feelings too much with all my evil twisted liberalness. Praise Jeebus! Haha!<br><br> But wait, seriously, you were being ironic / satirical with that opening part, right? Because if not, you are a RAGING hypocrite.

  • July 18, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    JackieGleasonUFO

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I have as much chance as watching the 66 batman movie again than I do Batman 89, Batman Returns, yep. Also, Eckhart is deserving for nomination as well, eventhough he won't get it.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Batman 1989

    by antonphd

    For me it's like watching the old version of Journey to the Center of the Earth with Pat Boone. It's a classic now. It's not the Burton masterpiece that Returns was, but it has a lot going for it.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Thank you antonphd

    by Immortal_Fish

    You mentioned things I did not in my initial post -- torture and health care. Quite apt of you. I missed the health care analogy but remember it since you mention. Of course, Bats interrogating the Joker is an obvious "torture" analogy.<P>Ultimately -- there was a time when Hollowood made us THINK instead of preach to us. An unexpected return to form, this movie.<P>Honestly, I did not like Batman Begins at all for many reasons. I went to this movie tonight only as a social bridge with my 17-year old son. And I am still amazed at the epiphany it led me to.<P>It wasn't much more than an entertaining movie, but it made me think. And that is what makes it a GREAT movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    LOL

    by elric666

    Funny guys...I'm sorry, I really wanted to like it. And no, I'm not schumacher/akiva either. But a story has to breath a little. It was all slapped together with some great moments in between. Put some moments of mirth and soul into the characters so you can cheer them on or hate them. Let's seen in a few years after repeat viewings how we all feel. Me included. I always wanted a bad ass batman too, but this?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish..

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Let me be the first to say, you have an interesting take on Batman. And I won't be the last to say that condescending bullshit, even wrapped up in nice little grammatically correct sentences is still....ah...condescending bullshit. <p>Ahem.<p> Let me spell this out for you so you understand where this 'lefty-leaning-liberal' is comin' from, partner.<p>Wiretapping AMERICAN FUCKING CITIZENS is against the FOURTH FUCKING Amendment to the Constitution you tried to reference earlier in your statement. I have the right to fucking privacy. I'm an American. Don't matter a whit if you're trying to catch Osama (Yeah, dead fucking brill job of that so far...Keep looking for him in this country, who knows? You might fucking push one of the nice paranoid, the government's comin' for mah guns, Right Wing Tim McVeigh motherfuckers to do just that, be our very own Joker.) Now, you want to wiretap NON-American citizens on our soil? Know what books THEY check out of the library? Fucking extradite them to some hell-hole and interrogate the shit out of them if you have proof of wrongdoing? Go right ahead. Until they're citizens, they've got no reason to bitch. So, I believe in the CIA and the FBI and the NSA...but you cannot police your own people by treating them like fucking criminals. Torture...well, that's really up to the viewer, yeah? Morally, I'm against torture, as well as logically. Because torture does nothing to gain solid intel, according to the guys doing the torturing since the 70s or so. Reading a lot, I guess, makes me 'liberal'.<p>Next on my list of your grasping for straws, house of cards analogy, is the fact that you assume this is some kind of pastiche of post-911 'rah rah' bullshit for YAAAY! America!<p>The fact that The Joker in this case is right, that we fucking panic too easy, and cave into the demands of terrorists when the chips are down should tell you this. Fuck, I can't catch a goddamned airplane anymore without a telescope going up my ass and some dipshit with an IQ of 9 checking out my fucking shoes for bombs.<p>While John McCain (yeah, you don't like him...who can blame you? Fuck, if he were MY SIDE'S candidate, I'd hate him too) was callin' us a bunch of whiners, Obama had an actual policy speech on the war on terror. He said, when the terrorists used planes, we strengthened plane security. Fucking Richard Reid comes up with the 'shoe bomb'...I gotta wear sandals on the plane like a fucking criminal for the rest of this douchebag's presidency...The problem is, no one has the balls to say who the real fuck enemies are; and guess what? It's not Americans. It's the fucking Pakistanis, and the short sighted corporate fucks in the Administration who tried to get to the 'Joker' in this case, by beating up the fucking 'Riddler'...no, Hussein was the fucking King Tut of this little metaphorical dinner plate, I guess. A tinpot despot who had all the fucking sway of a fruit fly outside of Iraq.<p>And lastly, in your metaphor, if Batman were truly us, and the Joker were that amorphous 'islamo-fascist-terrorism' you sweat so hard...when we catch Bin Laden in our sights, we'd hand him over to the UN right? Or put him in an asylum? No, you and I both know where he SHOULD go: In the fucking ground upside down and pissed on by lunatics. But, Batman wouldn't do that shit, man. Batman has fucking standards. And for a long time before George Bush, so did America.<p>Maybe we will again.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by Immortal_Fish

    I am an agnostic. Surprise!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    JackieGleasonUFO

    by The Dum Guy

    Honestly, I'd rewatch any Batman movie (and have) other than B&R (which I haven't).<br><br>You know what is now an unintentionally funny thing the Joker said, the line how about how gas is cheap. Funny.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Hello, Harvey

    by shitstorm23

    I'm surprised more people aren't talking about Joker flipping Dent in that hospital scene. That is the coolest shit ever. "I'm just a dog chasing a car. I wouldn't know what to do if I caught it!" Harvey flipping the coin with gun to Joker's head, "Now we're talking" <p> How can you hate that? That's easily worth another $10 to go see again.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    No But Seriously, Fish

    by LaserPants

    I think that the real underlying symbol extends outside the film itself and touches on other superhero characters. Superman is how conservative americans see the US -- a god-hero above reproach who can do anything, and Batman is how the rest of the world see us -- a psychotic vigilante who uses questionable motives to reach ends which, at least in the case of TDK (and in the case of the completely unjustifiable Iraq War), turned out to emphatically NOT justify the means.<br><br> In terms of just the film itself, I think Harvey Dent symbolizes how twisted the country has become because of the methods used over the past 7 years. We are the monsters now. We are the bad guys. We are the Imperial threat in its waning days as a superpower. It won't always be like that, though. This is a great country, and we can get back on track. I reckon sometime around November when Obama becomes president, the healing process can begin, and he US can once again assume its roll as beacon of hope and justice rather than imperial oil wars and lies.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Great movie. BUT still can't get past Bats voice.

    by future help

    that evil wisper-talk. It's ok i guess when he's fucking up the bad guys. BUT when he uses it to the people who know his true identity... yikes. (i was hopeful they would do away with it...just like doing away with Katie Holmes.)

  • July 19, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    i just have no idea how they can top this one.

    by BMacSmith

    maybe studios will now find a new reason to dumb down big budget movies: a movie so good that a sequel can't top it and kills the franchise.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Really Good and is Dent dead?

    by Wcwlkr

    I really liked it but I didn't like the long ass Ferry scene, and did they kill Two-Face that was just like Venom and that kind of pissed me off. Especially how the fall didn't seem that far, but I guess it was. I loved Heath's protrayl of the Joker that truly lived up to the hype he was phenominal. I loved it and I do pray that even though he's gone Nolan brings the Joker back PLEASE the Joker is the best Batman villain

  • July 19, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    JackieGleasonUFO

    by Immortal_Fish

    I'm quite partial to '89. The coloring, lighting, and camera angles were masterful to Nolan's effort. Whereas TDK is a complete film with many subjective messages and fine acting by a well-rounded cast, the '89 film is simply too fun to watch. Nicholson didn't hurt it at all.<P>On the other hand, were someone to cut TDK into a bukkake reel of all Ledger all the time, I might reconsider! Yes, the man does indeed live up to the hype. He is the "Killing Joke" Joker only with his own spin on the character, ala Johnny Depp's pov.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    and it's not just hte wisper talk...it's the pouty lips

    by future help

    he has while he does it. Im done.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Depp as the Joker

    by Wcwlkr

    I think the only actor that could even come close to protraying the Joker as great as Heath did is Johnny Depp. I mean he would be awesome as the Joker he definitely has the range to pull him off. The Joker was like a twisted up version of Sweeney Todd, Willy Wonka, and Captain Jack.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    it was full of little nagging flaws, but i just didnt care

    by BMacSmith

    the performances were so great and the dialogue so solid i was mesmerized. i just skipped right past the weak parts. Batman was the worst part of the movie. i agree the voice thing was lame. i dont get that at all. and no way Joker could have rigged all that stuff to blow up, but it was so worth it just to see him fuck shit up.<p> another thing. was it just my theater or was the music so loud you couldnt hear the speech at the end when he was fleeing? i couldn't.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    The Joker

    by jamsun1227

    I know everyone's talking about his antics and the pencil scene and what not, but my favorite line had to be when someone called him crazy and with a serious expression, one of anger mixed with hurt, he said, "No, I'm not. I'm not." Almost childlike. That's Ledger's brilliance.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Octagon...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    I DO NOT!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    any actor willing to take on the Joker role after this performan

    by fiester

    ...would havr to be as batshit crazy as the real Joker.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    "Why So Serious?"

    by LaserPants

    I wish this movie got an R, even hard-R, because I really wanted to see The Joker graphically mutilate the various people he murdered. The part where he goes on about the "why so serious?" especially, where he has his knife in the guys mouth.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    i like when he said everything will burn.

    by BMacSmith

    the way he said it. like he hated everyone and just stopped with the Joker act for a split second and he was just a tortured, sadistic guy who just wanted to kill everything!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by antonphd

    for every immature person on the left there are 1000 mature who just aren't talking on the internet or who just aren't getting into fights on the internet when they do talk. as i know there is on the right. i grew up in a conservative home and now I'm a liberal, but like most liberals I don't see conservatives as the bad guys. are there some people that I don't like at all on the right? yep. on the left. yep. but I know that demonizing people only makes enemies, not progress. i liked your thoughts on this film. i felt pretty much the same way walking out. just stunned to silence on the drive home with my wife and brother over how much the movie actually made me think about real life. i really didn't expect that. i expected cool, not thought provoking. it wasn't schindler's list, but it was more then just a summer super hero popcorn flick, that's for sure.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    I feel ya Rappin Duke, Depp as Joker

    by Wcwlkr

    I hear what you're saying and I agree with keeping Ledger's tone of keeping the Joker brutal. That's why I said Depp I think after seeing him in Sweeney Todd he would definitely keep the brutal. I seriously wouldn't want it like Nicholson's version. Depp is a great actor who I really think could pull it off.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Excellent Movie, Good Superhero Movie

    by DreamTension

    I've been letting this movie soak in for a few hours now to really form an opinion on the movie. First, I keep reading people comparing this to other movies (Heat, Godfather II, The Empire Strikes Back, Spidey 2), and that doesn't do the movie justice. It's not better than these movies--it is its own movie. Just like these movies redefined what was good in the first, so did this movie. And I really don't like how respected reviewers feel they have to compare it to these movies. But enough of that. Just my feelings. Overall, this movie was excellent. It was long but engaging; dark but inspiring; daunting and fresh. It will be a movie these reviewers will compare to another movie...:) I say it was only a "good" superhero movie because I didn't really feel it wanted to be a superhero movie. The people in the movie felt so real it really didn't feel like a superhero movie. And this is a compliment in many ways. The problem is when the movie returns back to being a "superhero" movie, I found it hard to actually give it the slack it deserves for some of the implausable occurences. I will grant superhero movies a lot of slack. Too much for most people, I would bet. But the script felt like they wanted it to be an absolutely believable storyline but then needed to back its way out by relying on farfetched ideas. One thing that irked me was the sonar in the end. Sonar? Really? That's what you got for me? And it was so far-fetched sonar. The sonar wasn't really plausible, even. And Batman is known for being a detective, so incorporate a better setup. I have no problem suspending disbelief in the fact that the Joker set up this MASSIVE plot because of the movie's context. But sonar? The other thing was Dent's fall. Dent was great in the movie; Two-Face was not (and honestly, I cannot describe why at this moment...he didn't feel believable). Anway, wonderful movie. Cannot wait to see it again!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Little jab at Obama, as well, Fish..

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Yeah he was 'for it before he was against it'. Lucky thing for us we're not running a guy like McCain, who VOTES AGAINST HIS OWN FUCKING BILLS, MAN.<p>McCain is older than Coca-Cola Classic.<p>McCain is older than Skeletor.<p>McCain is as old as the tree in my front lawn.<p> Fuck, why don't you guys on the Right side of the aisle run fucking Cheney? Too scared? How's that for a fucking plan? He's old as fuck, and mean as a cougar with a fucking loose tooth. He'd fuck you all over nice and quick, and leave nothing for the vultures. Unless you're part of Old King George's 'base' of those upper 2 percenters, then you'd have tax cuts in a time of war...that's uh..NEVER FRICKING HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S A DUMB FUCK IDEA.<p>Sometimes, though, it's pretty funny to watch the Right scramble to parse some evil shit out of Obama's rhetoric. You guys seem a LIIIITTLE bit desperate...hee hee hee! And from now on, you should try to remember typing 'MR. PRESIDENT OBAMASSIAH'. Unless we have a nice bloodless coup, and the Blackwater Junta helps Old King George keep his kingdom.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    TDK

    by strangelove_purityofessence

    The Scarecrow scene was out of place but it did go well to show a few points, the other vigilantes that included the guy who later bumped into the window (his name was probably part of the viral citizens for batman). Also it was a reason to show batman hurt and when the action ramped up, that would have been out of place

  • July 19, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Random Thoughts Review

    by Alex De Large

    F*cking awesome. Really great. Can’t wait to see it again. Can’t believe they got away with a PG-13 rating. The Heath Ledger hype is warranted. Bittersweet, though, to so love Ledger’s performance, only to know we’ll never see more of it. Just leaves you thinking what other great performances he had up his sleeve. As much as I love Nicholson’s go at the Joker, this one was better. Not an overstatement to say it’s one of the great villain performances of all time. I can’t imagine anyone else who could have an entire theater laughing at a character while that character is blowing up a hospital. Hope to God they’ve got some DVD interviews of Ledger analyzing his performance. They’ve got to find some way to bring that Joker back, maybe in the fourth film. Can’t possibly think this early of who can fill those shoes. Michael Cain needs more to do in the next one. As big of a tease it was, I’m so glad they were (relatively) able to keep Two-Face’s image a secret before the release. I’m ready for the next one. What could they possibly do in the way of villains to top this outing? Script was good…the score was great. Amazing performances by all involved. Only complaint was those in the theater (unfortunately, they were with me) who laughed out loud every time Batman spoke. If ever there’s a time for suspension of disbelief, a movie where a man dressed as a bat fights crime is it. It’s not outrageous to think he’d disguise his voice when he’s a billionaire celebrity. As much as Nolan denies he’ll ever use Robin or the Penguin (I hope he changes his mind, at least with regard to the latter), I tend to doubt it. I think it’s just a matter of finding the right angle to work them into a script. Interesting that they never show (the young) Barbara Gordon’s face. Could a Batgirl be far behind? Again, maybe the fourth film? With their “realistic” take on this series, I wouldn’t want to count anything out. With the right script and the right story angles, I think anything is possible with this team. Looking forward to the next one. Will miss Heath Ledger and all his potential a great deal. Comic book characters and superhero films have traditionally been shunned by the Oscars (Al Pacino’s Big Boy Caprice in Dick Tracy is the only performance I can remember being nominated), but I think Ledger is a shoe-in for a nomination, and might even have a serious chance at winning this year. He certainly did go out with a bang. Thanks, Heath! You’re going to be missed, especially by the millions who will see this film this weekend.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Best scene?

    by The Dum Guy

    I love the lighting when Gordon went into the holding cell with Joker. All black and just a white face looking out of the darkness.<br><br>And when he said he wasn't crazy, the way pronounced the T in not... noT.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Burton's Batman and Jack's Joker

    by DreamTension

    Both are excellent. Just like Nolan's and Heath's. Stop comparing and enjoy them for what they both are. They serve totally different purposes, tones, and themes are at play. The worlds these movies are set in are so different. Focus on how the writing, directing, acting, and so on work on those levels.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by Immortal_Fish

    "condescending bullshit"<P>There is "bullshit" and there is "condescending bullshit". One of these is subjective. Since yours is commentary on what I wrote, I bucketize your post as such. For what this response is worth at least (which is admittedly equally subjective).<P>"And I won't be the last to say that condescending bullshit, even wrapped up in nice little grammatically correct sentences is still....ah...condescending bullshit.<P>Ahem."<P>Okay, so, fuck your auntie in the ass too.<P>"Wiretapping AMERICAN FUCKING CITIZENS..." yada yada. Bunch of shit clipped for brevity.<P>Did you not glean anything from what I wrote? Yes, I GET that. I do. I truly DO. I'm a Libertarian. I think it's sick. Read again what I wrote. Batman's actions in this flick made me think about and reconsider what the whole FISA crap is about. I'm THINKING. Isn't that what you want us "neocons" to do? I'm sure you're a smart guy. I'm sure you can see the area between black and grey (incidentally, the same area the movie was exploring).<P>Everything you mention about the Joker is correct. As I mentioned, he is a force more than a character. We must contend with him in our daily lives. Like Al Queda. Yes, Tim McVeigh was an ass that we could not handle under own current moral standards. You are right. This film makes us question this angle, as did the scene with Joker and Batman. And yet, I must question youe other angle presented in that clip -- would you continue to torture the joker as batman did considering many lives that were at stake?<P>"In the fucking ground upside down and pissed on by lunatics." Do you REALLY believe that our "progressive" movement would allow such a thing?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    lau

    by Silverglade

    how come after joker lights the money pile, there is not a sound heard from lau as he is burned alive?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Hi, this is the REAL Wolfman Nards here

    by Wolfman Nards

    And the fake one is a douche. Cut the shit dude. Anyways, TDK was great. Burton's was a mainstream popcorn flick. Good movie, don't get me wrong. This one was a legit piece of film. Gordon-Levitt as Joker? Possibly but way too soon. I don't think there will be another Batman movie for at least 3 or 4 years. Everyone is going to need time to heal.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Silverglade

    by ebonic_plague

    I was thinking about that today when I remembered it, that Lau is a stoic motherfucker I guess.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by Immortal_Fish

    No conservative is happy with McCain. NO ONE.<P>And for all the same reasons, after at least 10-years of undeniable evidence -- No conservative understands why any liberal could ever be unhappy with a President McCain as you are. The man has been a media darling for a reason, mostly due to the the fact that he has championed every liberal cause imaginable (I believe the media is left-forgivable if not left leaning).<P>Everyone has a strategy for how they vote. Mine is quite simple. Regardless of who is running (and in my ultra-blue liberal state of Massachusetts), I often write in superhero aliases. Can't help but wonder how many times volunteers have scratched their heads wondering who Arthur Curry is.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Silverglade

    by The Dum Guy

    Usually when someone in immolated, the agent that is used to start the fire usually burns up the oxygen around the 'victim' and causes the vocal chords to burn when/if they inhale. Unless Lau took a big breath before the fire got to him he might not scream, then again I'm not sure if he was doused with gas.<BR><BR> If he was covered in gasoline he most likely would'nt make a sound, but if the flames had to catch up to him you might be on to something the critics should hold against this movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    simply brilliant

    by exie

    I haven't had a film live up to the hype in so long I forgot how it felt. This should be shining example to studio execs what making adult themed films can do in this day and age. I hope they learn from this and Iron Man and don't chalk the success up to it being a comic book movie. Both movies presented flawed dark heroes and great story and better acting. I'm not very sad about Heath's death, but I also think knowing the actor that he was, he would have never come back and played Joker again. His integrity would have kept him from doing a repeat, unless Nolan made the character go in a different direction that would interest Heath. What I saw up on screen tonight was one of the finest performances I've ever seen and I don't think any actor will want to step into those shoes. Not even Depp. It's a shame because Batman w/o the Joker can work, but never as good as when they are together. What I love most right now is not knowing where they are going with the next film, if we are lucky enough to get another one from these principals. I hope they keep making Batman movies every 3-4 years. They've created a character and a landscape that will not grow stale under Nolan's hand. I'm not worried about who the next villain is because I know whatever they choose to do will be kick ass. We're spoiled by some of the ridiculous performances of the other villain's in movies and TV shows past and if Nolan has proven anything to us, it's that his version of the villain will be spot on and not clownish. While I don't want to see Riddler and Penguin, I know if he decides to ever go there, it will be amazing. I also got the sense that there might be a Batgirl in the future and as for no Robin, don't count out Gordon's son who they gave some serious time to. I wouldn't be surprised if the next movie involved Gordon's death and Batman becoming a surrogate of sorts to his children...especially since the son knows Batman is playing the villain for noble reasons. Wonderful brilliant film. I can't wait to see it again.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    That's my point

    by DreamTension

    You obviously can compare all you want. And I didn't say you can't like one over the other, but when you compare them remember the universe they are set in. Basically, swap out the acting jobs, do they work? Both would be out of place. There have been too many comic books redos, reinvisions, retellings, whatever of the Batman storyline that I really don't have a strong opinion what the Joker would "actually" do. I believe Jack's Joker was all that you said: crazy, sadistic, impatient, cruel. He killed a lot of people in the movie, even Bob, his right hand man, for no good reason. Anyway, we love this new one because it feels darker and more intense. But in all actuality it was just a different dark and intensity. Which I believe is due to the way the movie was shot. It was set in a more realistic world. So Heath's Joker feels that more real. And I really was saying it to those who are now saying Jack's portrayal was completely inferior. You can prefer, compare, or judge all you like. For the record, I by NO means am trying to downplay Ledger's job. I loved every second of him on screen. I really did not see Heath Ledger on the movie screen--I saw The Joker.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    a few thoughts after scanning this talkback...

    by mmaddox3

    first ive seen this 3 times now and have been blown away every damn time. it is perfect in everyway. having said that i must say i found the scarecrows cameo to be really distracting, he felt really out of place in the scene, and i was totally expecting his face to be fucked up, i mean im no expert but a tazer to the face would do some damage right? other minor fault was i felt that eric roberts totally shouldnt have been walking around in his last two scenes...his fucking legs broke no question, he does have a cane and a minor limp..but come on what does it take to ask the propmaster for a wheelchair. everything else was spot on. i love the fact that spawn gets killed by the joker loved it. its really impossible to list off all the things i loved about this. joseph gordon levitt would be an acceptable replacement for joker but i dont want to see that happen. i seriously think they have made something so pefrect they cant top it, and well if they do..jesus. good review harry.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    I think Depp could pull it off....

    by kulik

    Sweeny Todd ..Secret garden..I think if he holed up in his flat for a month he could probably take over the reigns...In a perfect world I would have loved to see Ledger do a thousand more joker scenes...He was Spot on...read the Killing Joke..or...Death in the Family...The graphic novel Joker was hardcore..but Heath brought it to a level that was unseen when I heard of the choice two years ago I was kinda pissed..but now it makes perfect sense...he was perfect... It really gave me the creeps...the scene with Dent in the hospital was Brilliant!!!!and afterwards as Joker is Flopping down the street..(preparing to blow the building)... in the nurses outfit...his little mannerisms and shrugs were truly John Wayne Gacey inspired...It was like he was walking out of the building listening to something that we couldn't hear..maybe an Ice Cream truck jingle...pop goes the weasel...Depp would be my first choice...next maybe...don't walk away now..Will Farrell..yeah he is a silly little bitch..but he is a big bloke..and he does have allot of acting talent.. and I would at least give him a screen test...

  • July 19, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    TWO FACE IS NOT DEAD!!!!!!!!

    by bugkill

    He did not die in the end, they faked his death to make Dent a martyr for the city of Gotham. Two Face is locked in the mental facility.

  • July 19, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart did great! Also Re:Greggers

    by TallScott

    Went to the 12 am screening and I have to say its been so long where ive wanted to pay to go see the same film agian in a theater. It was just that good there is so much to touch on but I have to say that Aaron Eckhart did a fanstic job. its a shame that it will be always overshadowed by Heath's Joker. Thats why they SHOULD have Two-Face back. You really liked Dent. Even when you knew what would happen to him you didnt want it to happen. And when he changed he was great and Tommy Lee Jones should just be ashamed for the Joker lite perfomance he phoned in as Two Face. When Two Face would snap and vent I jumped in my seat as if he was yelling at me. You really understood why he was pissed. Little details in his performance were great like the way he wiped his chin after he took a drink. Heh. That side of his face must dribble. The SFX of the eye creeped me out. When it got wild when he was pissed or focused on a guy. Brrr. Eckhart knocked it out of the park. Too Bad Heath knocked it out of two parks. Oh well. He should totaly be in the next one to make up for it. Oh and GREGGERS yeah that scene broke my heart too. That poor guy was just a lovable lug who wanted to play batman. Who dosent? And Joker being the bully without mercy laughing at his fear and tears. Wow. I think the kid in all of us cringed and felt at that.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Cast Jack Black as the Joker next...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Batman: "Is that the Joker?" <p> Gordon: "Yeah. That's him." <p> Batman: "He really let himself go." <p> Gordon: "Yeah. Say what you will about Arkham, but they do have a great buffet."

  • July 19, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Next One ............

    by rickdeckard1

    Joker will NOT be in the next installment if Nolan is involved, out of respect to Ledger, that's a no brainer. They're gotta top the ante of the Joker in this one, I cant think of a suitable villain, MAYBE Catwoman, and one major villain.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I think Dark Knight will be nominated for best picture.

    by heavenlykid

    yeah I said it.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    micturatingbenjamin

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Yeah he was 'for it before he was against it'. Lucky thing for us we're not running a guy like McCain, who VOTES AGAINST HIS OWN FUCKING BILLS, MAN."<P>As opposed to voting "present"...?<P>"McCain is older than Coca-Cola Classic."<P>"McCain is older than Skeletor."<P>"McCain is as old as the tree in my front lawn."<P>I hate McCain. He is Bob Dole. Next?<P>"Fuck, why don't you guys on the Right side of the aisle run fucking Cheney? Too scared? How's that for a fucking plan? He's old as fuck, and mean as a cougar with a fucking loose tooth. He'd fuck you all over nice and quick, and leave nothing for the vultures. Unless you're part of Old King George's 'base' of those upper 2 percenters, then you'd have tax cuts in a time of war...that's uh..NEVER FRICKING HAPPENED BECAUSE IT'S A DUMB FUCK IDEA."<P>Uhm, yeah. Okay. Let's take your idea and run Cheney!<P>"Sometimes, though, it's pretty funny to watch the Right scramble to parse some evil shit out of Obama's rhetoric. You guys seem a LIIIITTLE bit desperate...hee hee hee! And from now on, you should try to remember typing 'MR. PRESIDENT OBAMASSIAH'. Unless we have a nice bloodless coup, and the Blackwater Junta helps Old King George keep his kingdom."<P>Okay, let me practise...<P>... heee!<P>heee!<P>heee!<P>HEEEEE!!one!!!<P>heee!<P>heee!<P>HEEEEE!!ELEVEN!!!<P>

  • July 19, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    favorite 2 scenes in the film

    by antonphd

    1. Bruce telling Alfred that Rachel said that she'll wait for him. The little boy that died all those years ago came back to life for just a moment there in that scene. 2. Harvey screaming when Batman opens the door. Powerful scenes both completely affecting because of the performances of Christian and Aaron.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    in regards to dents death...

    by mmaddox3

    look nolan handled it brilliant, it is both a fitting funeral and an easy way to cover up him not being dead depending on what they choose to do with the character. but i think nolan told the dent/two face story he wanted to tell, so i doubt we see him back in a nolan batman movie. in addition come on its not like they could have him be the main villian in the next one...they wouldnt be able to use him in the marketing at all, his look is way to disgusting to display to kids and such.

  • This is my first time posting to AICN, so please be kind! I wholeheartedly agree that it would be a crime for Nolan to recast the Joker, but what about a certain Joker groupie who became inspired by him and tries to follow in his footsteps...anyone see where I'm going with this? If someone's mentioned Harley Quinn already, I haven't had time to do more than skim all the TDK talkbacks. It probably won't happen, but just for fun, what actress do you think could portray the feminine equivalent of Ledger's madness? I'd say Juliet Lewis if she were younger.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Honestly, who doesn't think the Riddler won't be next?

    by The Dum Guy

    Oldman pretty much said that was the setup for the next one.<br><br>Mister Reese already knows who Batman is and was/is willing to divulge that info, even if he had to piss off a sociopathic-billionaire who fights crime with really cool gadgets. I'm just wondering what will happen with that info, since Reese owes Wayne for his life being saved.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Oscar Noms

    by kulik

    Best Picture Best Screenplay Best Sound Best Sound Editing Best Supporting Actor..Heath and Aaron Best Cinematography Best ass kicking at the MTV awards!!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    javior bardem as joker?

    by javery56

    thats a terrible idea. worst idea ive read in a while. Depps a way better choice... but i doubt anyone will ever compare to Heath Ledger... and why should they, he was perfect.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Pick up the graphic novels

    by kulik

    as soon as i got home i re-red the graphic novels..death in the family..killing joke...no mans land...they did it!!!!Nolan and Ledger got the joker as exactly to perfect according to NASA specs..truly Brilliant!!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Nicholsons Joker

    by kulik

    He was great dont get me wrong..loved it for many years...but looking at it now..He was just doing Ceasar Ramero ..but times ten

  • July 19, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    7/10 -- Just good. Not great.

    by ZeroCorpse

    I wasn't blown away. Heath was good. Aaron was good. Everybody else was relegated to the background, including Batman. It dragged a bit, and it was a little convoluted. It is worth watching, but I don't think it lives up to some of the fanboy "BEST EVAR!!!" hype. <p> Sorry, but "dark" doesn't equal "great". It just makes it a more realistic Batman movie, which has benefits AND drawbacks.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Who would be the Catwoman???

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Johnny Depp? Again?

    by Underdogthe3rd

    Common! He is like Helen Hunt at the 90's, when she did all the female roles destined to actresses between 30 and 50. I like him but... he should gives us a chance to miss him.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Juliet Lewis would be a great..

    by kulik

    Harley Quinn if she was built better..Harley is a pretty tough bitch..Lewis is too skinny

  • July 19, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    crowbar Joker

    by DreamTension

    I have not read that comic. I will be honest---I never liked the Batman comics. Not flaming or saying they were bad. I read the ones my friends had from time to time, but that was a long time ago so my knowledge on the Batman universe is very flawed. So that's probably why we differ. I guess I (unfortunately) disconnected the comics from the live action. For better or worse. I can see why you feel that way for Heath's Joker.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Jennifer Tilley

    by kulik

    Harley Quinn??? Shes got the build...and a fucked up voice....not the greatest actress in the world though

  • July 19, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    When Wayne must think fast...

    by depalma25

    ...in the scene where Joker crashes his fundraiser for Dent, it seems he had time to apply black make-up around his eyes. This is the same black make-up every Batman since Michael Keaton seems to find necissary. This isn't a complaint,just something my kids twenty years from now, will point out and laugh.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Female leads

    by DreamTension

    Charlize Theron. Beautiful and one of the best actors out there.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Just saw TDK *spoilers*

    by chiefpapa

    incredible performance by ledger, definitely oscar worthy. Did anyone here think how cheesy the first courtroom scene of the flick with Harvey? Just felt kinda cheap. THis is definitely one of the top ten flicks of the year. Favorite scene? Sticking his head out of the cruiser's window. U know why? Cuz of the events that preceded that scene (losing batman's cool, blowing up the department, the "choice", and his release). Like he's wallowing in his victory. Fucking.Insane

  • July 19, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by chiefpapa

    Tilly's not a bad choice, but c'mon, no other actress would be perfect for the role than Brittany Murphy. She's got the voice, bod and attitude.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    You're a fucking MORON, ZeroCorpse

    by Playkins

    I don't give a shit about your opinion, if you can't appreciate and enjoy a film like "Dark Knight", you don't deserve to watch movies.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Joker in the Cop Cruiser

    by kulik

    That scene alone is worth an Oscar Nod...Hell the gave an Oscar to Brando for 12 minutes of Superman..that scene of Ledger hanging out out of the window...enjoying the moment brought a tear to my eye..really

  • July 19, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Charlize could be an interesting Catwoman

    by antonphd

    though... she may be a little too old. Elisabeth Banks looks the part, but I don't know if she can hold her own in this group of actors. She's in W as Mrs. Bush...maybe she's got something we haven't seen.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Like I said before and others are pointing out.

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Eckhart deserves Oscar consideration, he'll just get overshadowed by ledger though.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    by DreamTension

    Ledger was off the charts. He was crazy good. Absolutely no doubt about it. So good that they better not recast just because Ledger was that good. And I think we are agreeing. I will sneak this in there to beat this dead horse a final time. The distinction I am making is that the reason for the acting is due to these movies being different! The environment, themes, and stories are different. Alright. That's enough from me. And I will try to give that a read. Thanks

  • July 19, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk and Iron Man...better????

    by TheMcflyFarm

    To whoever said that, your brain is filled with seamen and jellybeans.

  • It would make sense.... Batman's an outlaw, Selina Kyle comes to town looking for thrills. Someone hires Bane (done right, of course) to come to town to hunt Batman. Could be fun.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Brittany..HELL YES

    by kulik

    Forgot about her..she got the build..the voice..and not to shabby on the acting scale...definitely has got the eyes....being a masked role..you really need a profound look to the eyes..since that is really your only expressionable (not a word I Know)trait...Ledgers EYES were magic..all the ranges of emotion without saying a word

  • July 19, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    How old is catwoman?

    by DreamTension

    I don't know... Elizabeth Banks is a good one too. I have enjoyed her in her roles, and she's in a bunch of new movies (like W, you mentioned)

  • July 19, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Eckhart does deserve an Oscar

    by antonphd

    i just sit here at my desk thinking 'why? why did they do this spectacular in this movie? both Heath and Aaron... they both gave performances of a lifetime and it's in a super hero movie...' i like Batman, but, as an artist... what inspired them to do this? that is what i can't figure out. i don't know if everyone gets what happened in this film with these performances... the complexity was astounding... the control while appearing to be out of control... it wasn't like they just threw themselves into a feeling and went with it... this was masterful work... i'm just so suprised it happened in this film. Heath and Eckhart both went far above and beyond what this film needed. Maybe it was just the right fit at the right time for those two.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Everyone totally ignored the flaws of this movie

    by i kick tits

    I loved this movie. I really really did. I would watch it 100 times and still not get sick of it. But come on guys, there are some pretty obvious problems with the movie. The third act gets so convoluted because there are 5 billion things going on and its crammed into about 20 minutes. That whole "Clowns are the hostages" sequence with that crazy sonar and the last scene with Two-Face just did not get the screen time it deserved. I really wish they released a longer cut of this movie instead of forcing it into 2 1/2 hours. Because I am sure all the casual movie-goer idiots they were were trying to appease would have loved every god damn second of it.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    loved, loved, loved it, but i had some issues *spoilers*

    by Lt. Kaffee

    (1) i didn't buy maggie as rachel dawes. she looked 40 and i didn't FEEL anything when she died. i'm not a katie holmes fan, but she was "bruce's childhood friend" to me in this film series. (2) i didn't want to buy the techno deux ex machina cell phone device. i would have rather seen batman pull some more detective stuff to find joker. otherwise i loved the film, and will definitely see it again and probably add it to my dvd collection. cheers!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    antonphd

    by kulik

    Film has changed..its just not okay anymore to put out mediocre performances..unless your doing a spoof film..X-men..Spiderman..Ironman..Hulk..they just keep getting better and better..actors might be seeing that this is a legitimate franchise and I think they are really enjoying what they are doing...really giving a shit..they see solid scripts..solid co-workers..I thing they are actually trying to do there best for our benefit..after all who pays there outrageous salaries..we do..I think they might be actually trying to give us what we deserve...

  • July 19, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Maggie did look 40

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Lt. Kaffee

    by kulik

    My two cents..i think they might have included the Sonar lenses..just to give a little homage to the Comic Book look of the white distant eyes that Grace ever drawn picture of the Batman..when he first turned them on i squealed with glee and applauded

  • July 19, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by antonphd

    I think that maybe Aaron was out to prove what he's got acting next to this stellar cast. This was his best performance to date. Heath on the other hand... I get the feeling that we just witnessed a work of genius... I honestly don't know what the fuck Harry thinks is going to best this performance this year.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Like camping...

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ...this movie was intense.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Javier as the JOKER??

    by brattyben

    What are you smoking Harry? Cause I really need some of that shit if it's making you think like that. Anway, great review, but, I have one disagreement. I always thought of Harvey being the polar opposite of the Joker, and here's why. Joker has no rules, he is unpredictable, anarchy, all that lawless stuff. Batman isn't that because he works outside, and sometimes breaks the law. I see Harvey as the opposite because he's working within the law. He believes in order and he PRACTICES that order. Anyway, great review, great flick. Can't see what they'll do for a third, which is happening. Hopefully something cool like Hugo Strange, or some real life villian. No Croc, no mutants, and no Penguin!!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i do agree that the sonar lenses were a bad ass homage to comic eyes batman. i just didn't dig how we got there. but just so i'm not a major poser/whiner, i got fucking CHILLS when batman escaped the hong kong building with the plane AND when the bat pod comes flying out of the wrecked-to-shit batmobile... all escape-pod-like! freakin classic stuff.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    OH MY GOD, IT'S SO GOOD!

    by BurnHollywood

    When the Joker walked on, I FUCKING CAME in my shorts, and as the movie progressed, I CAME and CAME again, and towards the end, I was ejaculating BLACK, ARTERIAL BLOOD, but I didn't care...not at ALL...I was SO FUCKING HAPPY!!!<p> Actually, I haven't seen it yet. Hope it's good.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    antonphd

    by kulik

    this might not be a "SUPERHERO" movie.....it is rubbing elbows with Ben Hur...North by Northwest...I daRE not say it "Citizen Kane"...this is great film nonetheless...just because the main character is in a re-enforced Nomex bi-weave advanced infantry battle suit..does not make it any different than it actually is...a Great Film....

  • July 19, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Who will play the Joker? Easy...

    by American Mythos

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt (sp?) is hands down the best choice. He's a phenomenal actor, and it doesn't hurt that he's the spitting image of Ledger either. Javier Bardem, Harry? Worst idea in the history of bad ideas. Almost as bad as Johnny Depp. People keep saying that they want Depp because of his work as other characters. Do you not get it? The Joker should be beyond the pale of other psychopathic villians. This Joker certainly was. So to say Depp should be the Joker "because he was great as Sweeney Todd" is just dumb. The Joker should be cast in the spirit that Ledger was cast. And I recall just about everyone in TB bitching about Ledger because, really, he was an unexpected choice for the Joker. Now some of those same people are praising (understandably so) his performance and saying that only Depp can take over. I say no. In the spirit of Ledger's casting, do the unexpected. No Paul Bettany, no Chrispin Glover, no Johnny Depp, no one that looks like the Joker or has played Joker-esque roles. And, as much as I like him, no high profile actors like Daniel Day-Lewis. I don't want a transitional Joker like Benedict XVI is the transitional Pope. That's what someone like Depp would be, aka "the next best choice". Do the unexpected and you will get unexpectedly good results. Just like Ledger's Joker. Whew!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    The Sky hook was killer!!!

    by kulik

    No diplomatic immunity...Bats went in ..passed all the red tape..grabbed the bastard and took him back to Gotham....no questions asked..no court hearings...this is the Batman I have read bout in the comics that line my living room

  • July 19, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST

    and just to my own geek cred

    by Lt. Kaffee

    aaron eckhart was fabulous b/c he made you love harvey dent and dread his inevitable fate. his character was testimony to what was sooo freakin stupid about anakin in the SW prequel trilogy. ya gotta love the guy to care when he goes bad.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Javier Bardem as the Joker

    by Film.guy.Pete

    He could do it but not one want the JOKER to have an accent. I would love to see the Joker again on the Silver Screen but like Harry said - who would have the ball to do that? !THIS FILM WAS PERFECT!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:20 a.m. CST

    What if...

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Kevin Bacon played the Joker? I was just thinking this for some reason...

  • July 19, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    fun thoughts about the next film

    by Lt. Kaffee

    so batman's again on the outs with gotham. but WHO could possibly top as a villain next time around in this established universe. i'm stumped. we can only hope the creative minds aren't. thoughts?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    No ONE

    by BrightEyes

    TO REPLACE HEATH EVER IN THE NOLAN SERIES!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    i meant rogue gallery wise

    by Lt. Kaffee

  • July 19, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Is it possible

    by TheMcflyFarm

    that there were certain extra, deleted scenes of Heath that took place after we last saw him dangling from the building, or at least can be edited to seem like they took place after. It seems to me that after his death, Nolan would be wise to edit the film so that they can save some stuff for the sequel. That is of course if that is ethical/ legal. I mean they did but Brando in Superman Returns, so I assume it's possible. Hmmm...

  • July 19, 2008, 2:27 a.m. CST

    American Mythos

    by kulik

    I do agree..Depp would be the easy choice....but not the right one...Heath put me off two years ago..i didn't understand the choice..come one Broke back ....knights tale...please....but now it makes more sense than two plus two....we do need a left fielder to come out and take over...too soon you might say..nay says me...Joker and Batman go together like ham and and eggs...Woodward and Burnstien...They need a joker to take place in Gotham...maybe not a major plyer...but at least a cameo in Arkaham

  • July 19, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST

    I think they could do BANE

    by kulik

    realistically..i think they could pull it off...introduce John Paul Valley...Break the Batman....of course no Batman and Robin Bane....but a rwal hardcore mexican prisoner subjected to Venom experiments

  • July 19, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    definately no Robin

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    The third film...

    by depalma25

    Boy, where do you go from here? Part of me wishes they end the series here. Godfather, Superman, Back to the Future, Spiderman, Shrek, Rocky (except for the last one), have peaked (or were at least a worthy follow up to it's predecessor) with the second installment. This is the greatest superhero film ever made. Greatness is such a rarity that greatness duplicated is so much rarer. If the same themes (good vs evil, anarchy) are repeated, people will view this as unfresh, samo-samo, riding the coat tails of TDK, blah blah. And if Nolan takes it in an entirely new direction, new aesthetic qualities, different themes, he'll be hanged as being a traitor to his own vision. Nolan, end the series while it, and you, are on top.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    they did show Batgirl though

    by kulik

    as a three year old child

  • July 19, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    i'm going out on a limb here

    by Lt. Kaffee

    but i could see a rival vigilante... a la john paul valley/azrael/knight fall bats. after the hints at more vigilantism... what if there was an equally effective but more unethical guy who shows up.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Timothy Spall

    by GavinVanDraven

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001758/ theres your Penguin. no makeup required.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Or How About A .....

    by kulik

    Justice League villain...Lex Luthor

  • July 19, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Batman Superman movie could Reign!!

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Gotta Be Catwoman in 3 (spoilers)...

    by jsarnold513

    It makes the most sense. The first film established Bruce's motives and origin as Batman, the second established the power of Batman as a symbol, and the third would rightly take things down a notch by focusing on the inner workings of Batman's mind and how he deals with all the stuff in TDK. Rachel is dead. The Joker has turned everything upside down. Two Face may or may not be dead too but the Harvey Dent: Great White Hope of Gotham is toast. Throw in Lucious Fox resigning and the cops having to be openly hostile to Batman and you get a version of the character who is more alone and more conflicted over what he's doing than ever. I see the third film as being less James Bond, more Sherlock Holmes, and even grittier than either of the preceeding ones and that could work very well. Catwoman would also make the most sense as a love interest/villain for a lonelier, more cynical Batman. They need a real madman type of villain to wreck Gotham again, though. I don't see The Penguin, Bane, or even The Riddler doing that. This one is so good it'll be damn near impossible for the third to live up, but they've got some interesting ground to cover if they turn the focus of the film back on Batman's inner psyche. No villain can top Ledger's Joker, though.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Ive got Faith

    by kulik

    no matter what the third film will be...it shall be Heavenly....as long as they keep the same roster...they could'nt fuk it it up could they????

  • July 19, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Catwoman is

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    the obvious choice

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    but who...

    by kulik

    theron is too blonde...ricci is to short....Halley barrey sux....with a big SUX....

  • July 19, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    let's get back to some more dark knight lovin

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i alreayd said the hong kong shit and the bat pod reveal were my favorite stuff. i ALSO loved when bruce wayne took down joker's thug and took apart that shotgun of his... what else did you freakin geek out about?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Ledger may have been TOO good...

    by jsarnold513

    Until just now I didn't realize just how much of a bind they're in for a villain for the third installment. No one can top the fire, madness, and chemistry that Ledger brought to this one. It would be foolish to recast the Joker as a primary villain already, but Bane, Riddler, Penguin, Killer Croc, etc just don't have the same heft to them. Catwoman makes sense if they do the more psychological story I forsee, but we've already watched Nolan terrorize Gotham good in both the first films. How are you going to escalate it again after this!?!?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    margeret thatcher???

    by kulik

    she gots the brains

  • July 19, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    What comes next...

    by TheBigChill

    Nolan shot this movie with the intent of coming back. He loves Batman because he is so controversial; he allows him to confront the darkest issues our society faces without them appearing to be real, e.g. Joker's terrorism and Batman's response. Also, the ending gives foresight that both the Nolan brothers have an idea of where they want to take the franchise without having to hit us over the skull like last time. With Heath gone and leaving an incredibly large pair of Joker shoes for someone to fill, Harvey Two-Face's potentially short run of things, unknown whether or not Ras Al-Ghul survived his little travel setback on the Gotham monorail, and the vagueness of Scarecrow's moral integrity, what villains are left to crawl out and finish off what is left of Batman after this film? The easy answers to that question would be the typical: Catwoman, Penguin, the Riddler, Poison Ivy, Bane, Mr. Freeze, and the more recent addition to the Batman universe, Hush. Personally, Poison Ivy has always been too cartoonish, Bane too much of an out of this world freak, Mr. Freeze was absolutely ruined by Ah-nuld, and Hush is far too much like the TDK Joker in the manipulation department. So that leaves Catwoman, The Penguin, and The Riddler. Catwoman could be interesting simply because she could be used in a way that really pushes the femme fatale to new heights. I liked the rumor of the Penguin being a global arms dealer, which could be useful, but who is he selling his weapons to? And the Riddler would need to be constructed in a manner that I'm not exactly sure that at this late hour I could even begin to hypothesize. But while those make sense, the Nolans gave us a big hint at who the real villain is now in those closing moments of the film. With Harvey laying there seemingly dead, guilty of falling into the hands of the Joker, Batman finally shoulders the weight of everything that he has done and taken the blame for going outside the law. He is the criminal the city must chase and blame. Batman's only enemy now is Batman. Gordon was trying to find a way to tell his boy this. Lucius hinted at it with the "too much power for one man" speech. While Batman lived only by one code he allowed for himself, he watched everything that gave him chance of being a normal billionaire be put to rest, and in turn killing all the hope that one day Gotham won't need Batman. I'd expect the next movie being a battle between Gotham City against Batman against Bruce Wayne. You'll see the city try the capture the world's greatest detective while his secret identity desperately tries to have some sort of control over the alter-ego of Batman. The events of this movie fucked with Batman's head to the point and I can't really see there being someone more of a threat to him other than himself. Hopefully the opening weekend Box Office returns will make it absolutely necessary for Warner Brothers to aggressively pursue a contract with Christopher Nolan to helm the future of this franchise, and if that isn't the case, may they do themselves the favor of not revisiting it.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    the shotgun

    by kulik

    dismantle was SWEEET!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I just have to say...SPOILERS!

    by acebandage

    I was disappointed. I SOOO wanted to love this movie. Not only was it NOT the greatest superhero movie ever made, it wasn't even the greatest superhero movie ever made by Nolan. It dragged at parts, it seemed too long, parts were predictable and unnecessary. Joker even seemed like he was never in the moment. I got a sense that he was like an employee at work waiting for the end of his shift to go to that kick ass party. The only time he didn't seem like he was just going through the motions was *SPOILER* when he was falling to what he assumed would be his death. That was the only time he seemed to be free and enjoying himself. The rest felt like laborious means to an end. Don't get me wrong, there were a few enjoyable moments but for the most part, the movie was like Sisyfus and the boulder. There was too much of the people of Gotham city. It made me lose sight of the focus of the film which SHOULD have been the main characters, but eventually they all just seemed to blend in. The scene on the Ferry went way too long and didn't build tension, it was just boring. *SPOILER* when they spotted the hostages and the clowns and mentioned that it was unusual that they were so out in the open, did anyone NOT know that the clowns were the hostages?! And the whole bit where Bats fights the SWAT team...BORING! Bottom line, the movie was just ok.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    kulik!!!

    by Lt. Kaffee

    you may have to be my brother from another mother! we have totally geeked out about the same stuff!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    TheBigChill

    by kulik

    Ras Al-Gul is hundreds of years old...he is def not done

  • July 19, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Lt. Kaffee

    by kulik

    I have spent 175.00 on a stupid Jim Lee 608 Poster on E-Bay

  • July 19, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    i am a bigger dork

    by kulik

    than i like to admit

  • July 19, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    a great part...

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by Lt. Kaffee

    i bought the quesada cover illustrated knightfalls conclusion, signed by quesada, off the HOME SHOPPING NETWORK. we are officially geek foes/friends.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    eric roberts

    by kulik

    hes holding him aver the 3 or 4 story fall...roberts says..(sic) are you tryin to scare me..this height won't kill mee...Bats says "I'm counting on it" and drops him....shins shatter..great shit

  • July 19, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 19, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Lt. Kaffee...Batman

    by kulik

    hit mee haRD...I DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS ...i watched all the Burton films over and over....even enjoyed Clooney..cause it was Batman....I have read and re-read all the graphic novels ..i got all the posters...and I aM 35..im too old for this kinda of obsession..but no...I love the idea that if i was rich enough..and motivated enough i could go out and fight the greatest criminals on Earth with just my perseverance...that could be anyone you know...no superspeed needed

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    kinda like looking for hope

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Next villian (SPOILERS from TDK)...

    by American Mythos

    I've always thought the Penguin would make a good villian in the Nolan universe. As a mobster perhaps trying to re-organize organized crime in Gotham, especially after Batman/Dent/Gordon and Joker so thoroughly f'd things up for the mob. I think Philip Seymour Hoffman would make a great Penguin. He could play him in contrast to Batman's more theatrical villians, with a scary coolness masking his true inner psycho. I could see him being a pretty unpredictable character that way. Of course he would be a diabolical genius, but one that thrives on order. And if they brought back the Joker, I'd be drooling waiting for a face-off between those two vastly different personas. And as for a love interest? I don't know. I kind of dig Batman as the anti-Bond. He doesn't need a new squeeze in every film. Batman is a loaner, and that's never been more true than after the events of TDK. I say keep it that way. If anything, don't avail him to the hope for a normal life until the end of a dark and punishing franchise.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    who could pull off Penguin??

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    i like that batman was just human

    by Lt. Kaffee

    with his intelligence and toys he is basically the most dangerous man in the DC universe. and yes, despite the retcon hate, i still love batman and batman returns.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    bob hoskins

    by kulik

    could be pengie...maybe too old

  • July 19, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Daniel-Day Lewis as Penguin

    by Curtis Spicoli

    I think Nolan could pull of Catwoman, too

  • July 19, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    i absolutly loved TDK

    by GavinVanDraven

    that being said... think about the future. so the Penguin could be a arms dealer, as others have pointed out. he's just a short ugly aristocrat with a thing for umbrellas and old school eye-wear/top-hats. he is also completely sane. ok, so that is an interesting choice. how about this one....

  • July 19, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Timothy Spall for Penguin

    by GavinVanDraven

    worm tail in harry potterverse and beadle in sweeney todd. make it happen.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST

    3 villians

    by A for Aristocrat

    Reading alot into this but I go with catwoman and riddler. Catwoman for the cat line and riddler because of Reeses name. Mister Reese = mysteries or enigma. I just don't see Joshua Harto carrying the villian role. They can't beat the joker so they might have to really change directions for the next one. I don't envy Nolan, he might really want to stop with this one. You can't beat perfection.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    there's a lot of penguin love

    by Lt. Kaffee

    but i just don't see him as being compelling as villain. the joker/batman distinction was so strong in this last film... that i just don't see it working. it seems shoe-horned. like i said before, the rest of the rogue's gallery just doesn't seem to work either. how do you see the penguin really working into the deep natured villainy that we just witnessed in dark knight?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Catwoman Casting

    by jamsun1227

    What about Angelina Jolie?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    nevermind... it was so obvious

    by Lt. Kaffee

    bat-mite, played by warwick davis. nuff said.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    As for the Penguin...

    by jamsun1227

    They would focus on Oswald Cobblepot, the legitimate and wealthy businessman who has a hand in the underworld's darkness. That would ground it in reality. Philip Seymour Hoffman??

  • July 19, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    The penguin

    by A for Aristocrat

    The penguin would be great but I would want to see the Iceberg lounge/mob boss version. Throw in the black mask and you have a pretty good gang war between the two of them. (and I would love james gandolfini to play him).

  • July 19, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Batman is something pimal

    by kulik

    but watching this last film(and BB)...as I drive by the homeless,with cardboard markered signs..I wish I could help them...i wish I could make a difference...instead of handing the4m a few buck now and then..I wish I could go out and really make difference...Batman goes out night after night and rights the wrongs....foils massive supervillian plots but also ..maybe gives a little broke ass kid his night vision goggles so he could have some clout with his school yard chums....hes not Superman(never really liked him cause he had no real rivals)...Bats is a Posterboy of whaT WE can do if we get off our asses...sure i wanna help the destitute ..but not that EARLY....i gotta go to work..and do my 8 hours...he never gives up....never surrenders(sorry GALAXY QUEST)....I know he is a fictional character...but i really would like if someone like hime would step up.....Bill Gates...with his Trillions ...hasnt done a goddamn thing...Oprah..aside from donating to the NAACP...is bunk....we have no real heroes to look up to....so i Surround myself with fictitious ones..and pay my cable and rent an hope someone (in real Life)will inspire me to give more than i can afford...someone to inspire me to make a difference

  • July 19, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Telly Savalas’ Blofeld was pure fucking class.

    by alucardvsdracula

    Great movie too, by far the best Bond movie with an under-rated Bond. Anyway cannieeeee wait for this Batflick - IMAX ALL THE WAY.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Philip Seymour Hoffman

    by kulik

    Perfect Penguin!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Over here we'll have to wait until August 21st!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Which fucking sucks, guys.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    james gandolfini

    by kulik

    Superb Choice hope the Plants are monitering 'cause these are intelligent choices

  • July 19, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Ledger's Joker

    by Lethal Finger

    Damn...I've been lurking on this site for nearly ten years and have resisted the urge to post — until now. When I found out that Heath Ledger was cast as the Joker (on this site, actually), I was with most people: WTF!? I had a lot of faith in Nolan though, so I thought...shit, he must know something the rest of us don't. Did he ever. Now, almost universal praise for Ledger's performance. I was a huge fan of Nicholson's Joker — memorized every line of dialog and used to impersonate him all the time. That same summer, I got a copy of The Dark Knight Returns and became a Batman fanatic, with the Joker always my favorite villian. But, yes, Jack's Joker was Jack...fun and enjoyable, but Ledger's Joker was...the Joker. Just phenomenal...frightening, funny, unpredictable. Spot on. Thanks Nolan and thanks Heath. That was an awesome ride.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    What's the Matter with Harry?!

    by Pawprint

    So, let me get this straight; Harry gushes arcing jets of semen over tripe like Hellboy 2, like he's had a religious experience - hyperbole spews from his mouth in a nonstop flow. Yet, when it comes to TDK night - a film which is being (almost) universally acclaimed, which normally reserved writers on this site hail as a triumph - Harry gives us a bland, lukewarm review which essentially says, "It's good but it's not all that.."?!<p> WTF?! Did Nolan not allow Harry to blow him or summat?!

  • July 19, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The Riddler

    by GavinVanDraven

    The Riddler's criminal modus operandi is so deeply ingrained into his personality that he is virtually powerless to stop himself from acting it out. He cannot simply kill his opponents when he has the upper hand; he has to put them in a deathtrap to see if he can devise a life and death intellectual challenge that the hero cannot solve and escape. However, unlike many of Batman's themed enemies, Riddler's compulsion is quite flexible, allowing him to commit any crime as long as he can describe it in a riddle or puzzle. So, in keeping with Nolan's love for spinning mysteries,(memento, prestige) why not have the Riddler played as a Jigsaw type killer who is obsessed with batman. however, rather than jigsaw's "torture yourself to survive" methods... his victims need to solve a puzzle to escape their doom. much the same way as how The Joker tries to create chaos by making people choose, The Riddler leaves clues to prove his superior intellect, and to punish those who he feels are unworthy to challenge it. i can see a lot of twists and turns in this type of story... or it could end up being Die Hard With a Vengeance (with Batman instead of Bruce Willis) you may not even need a physical representation of the villain until the end of the movie, when you find out it was The Joker all along. doesn't that just sound NOLANish to you? its got to be better than Jim Carrey's "figure out my name" riddle and "who do you save" riddle from Batman Forever. YAWN.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Motoko Kusanagi

    by kulik

    dont take the easy way out and download it...it needs to be seen the first time with an audience on a 80 foot screen~!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    acebandage...

    by depalma25

    You're the type of person that says Godfather was boring, or Casablanca dragged. I want to take each of your so called points and destroy them, but I couldn't find one that was remotely interesting. It's like arguing with someone who hated Tom Saywer, or thinks the shark in Jaws was just too fake. You're obviously not in the film industry. I am, and we are all in awe of The Dark Knight. You're a talentless, uneducated fool. And I usually put up with naysayers. But I have a friend who hates Citizen Kane. We're almost not friends for that very reason.. It's near inexcusable. Go rent some classics. Or get a brain.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    depalma25..

    by Pawprint

    You're "almost not friends" because the bloke hates Citizen Kane?! I'm suprised you have ANY friends...<p> "You're not in the film industry. I am." - you work in a DVD Rental shop, yes?<p> I'm sorry; do you have to be "in the industry" before you can appreciate/dislike a film properly?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    If Ratner had directed and it was exactly the same, people would

    by The Founder

    about Dent/TwoFace reworking. I enjoyed TDK, it was a solid film. Not very Batman like. Not sure i agree with trying to make it to realistic, it is after all a superhero/comic film. Even with some of the faults i found with TDK it still a good film. Ledger was excellant as Joker. He really played the hell out of the part.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Yeah I seriously don't understand the hate for this film

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    How can you hate something like this, and fucking post here!?! That hurts my brain, and you're probably the same people who loved INCREDIBLE HULK.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by kulik

    Please do not sell hellboy short..i have free-read all the Hellboy comics in my local Comic Shop for the last 15 years...never bought them them ..just read them...its a damn fine adaptation....just a little bit different than mostof the comics

  • July 19, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    The Riddler

    by GavinVanDraven

    imagine batman going from one crime scene to the next, following clues left by the riddler, only to find another victim who couldn't solve a puzzle... then it gets personal... Alfred? Lucius? Gordon? and at every turn, a trap... a bomb, some goons, a bus that cant reduce speed or it will blow up? it is WAY too fucking early in the morning... fucking loved TDK

  • July 19, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Pawprint

    by kulik

    Please do not sell hellboy short..i have free-read all the Hellboy comics in my local Comic Shop for the last 15 years...never bought them them ..just read them...its a damn fine adaptation....just a little bit different than mostof the comics

  • July 19, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    This was a good movie.

    by DOGSOUP

    Not a GREAT movie so fuck your hyperbole. It was a little slow and things happened just for the sake of happening ala Hong Kong. Heath's Joker defined the character but for what? He was only on screen for like half an hour and now we'll never see the like again.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    depalma25

    by Lt. Kaffee

    for all your film wisdom and knowledge (not to mention your desire to break friendships over film tastes) you come across as a jerk. dark knight was good but there's absolutely no reason to condemn others' opinions over its value.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by Pawprint

    I'm glad you enjoyed Hellboy; the comics and the films - I just felt it could be done a lot better, and was a wasted premise.<p> My main point is, Harry seems to be going deliberately against the grain with this review, or is narked about something, so is taking it out on the film. This is a man who nearly orgasmed to death watching TPM, remember...

  • July 19, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    GavinVanDraven

    by kulik

    You point exactly.."HUsh" is a fine example of The Riddler...(SPOILER) he is the mastermind at he end...if done with Couth I think the Riddler can be done with believability and respect ..no Jim Carrey pl4eae...he is a genius but not in that sense.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Javier Bardem’s ANTON CHIGURH

    by Prossor

    if anyone cares enough about this portrayal or the character, i highly advise to read the book because i thought he was the only character the filmmakers botched and underdelivered for the screen. The one in the book had no ridiculous haircut (because he doesn't want to stick out), he had eyes like blue flickers, and seemed like an ex special-ops type. Bardem's Chigurh is described by many as a creepy psycho with an occasional facial tic or smile who slowly walks like a mannequin. The one in the book was never creepy, he showed absolutely zero emotion, no smiles whatsoever, his face remained blank and his eyes like wet stones, and he walked like any regular preson, but he also moved like a lightning fast panther when it was needed. And when he was shot in the leg he did not run away like the way they pussied him out in the movie, instead some hitmen drove up and he took them all on calmly and with precision even with his bleeding leg while the good guy ran off and it was because of this distraction why he was saved. Not only that but whole conversations were taken out, he talks a lot more with the rival bounty hunter before killing him, very relaxed with his chin on his hand even. There's a whole part where he dressed in suit and tie and personally delivers the money to its rightful owner, that's right SUIT and TIE. Can you imagine Bardem's zombie-Chigurh doing that? I just had to say this because the book version is one of the mose unique characters ever writen, and is unfortunately overshadowed now by the movie and its numerous awards.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Ledger owns the Joker

    by GavinVanDraven

    that was the Definitive portrayal of the Joker. one of the greatest villains in film history....

  • July 19, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    depalma25

    by kulik

    I am in the FILM industry..the most important part..I purchase tickets...WE are educated..WE are one voice..we are the peapole that either makes or brakes a move--...for christs sakes..lokk what Harry did to Godzilla...he completlely shut down that movie...he had a positive review the first run but panned it the next.....we are the industry...it doesn't matter how many million you throw at a FILM ...IF WE DON'T LIKE IT IT WILL TANK....by the way I thought Godzilla was an awesome Popcorn Flicki...(fuck you Harry)you can produce as many movies as you like...but if WE dont like them you will be holdind a markered cardboard sign on the side of the road.......Do you want fries with that?

  • July 19, 2008, 4:08 a.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS:The BRITS rescue Batman Franchise

    by Russell T Davis

    As a Brit and a HUGE Batman fan (and I don't mean the 60's TV series although it was cute when I was a kid ,nor the Burton films) I have to say that I am proud of what my countrymen have achieved with the character.The movie opens here next week in theaters and IMAX and I can't wait. Well done Chris Nolan and Co - due respect. Now you guys over the pond -just hand us over the Superman franchise again so we can put that up where it belongs.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    these guys behind me

    by kungfuhustler84

    were so overcome by hype and stupidity that they were giggling and jizzing their pants the ENTIRE TIME the Joker was on screen. don't get me wrong, just about everything he did was hilarious. The disappearing pencil, the exit from the exploding hospital, all iconic, funny shit. But when you let yourself get so overcome by anticipation and excitement for something that you aren't paying attention to most of what's going on, that's just dumb. They were laughing at the really tense parts where he was cutting people open and threatening them at knife point too. What the fuck?

  • July 19, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    They should call the third film 'KNIGHTFALL'

    by Johnno

    Yeah I'm not saying they should actually use the story... But I think it would make a kick ass title... considering Batman's reputation by the end of this one... but seeing as how the title ties in with the endings that'd mean Batman would be reduced further in the third movie...

  • July 19, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    I get where Nolan was trying to go...

    by elric666

    but the cat can't direct and Bale can't act well enough to give the Bat the presence he deserves. And as in the first BB, cramming way to much exposition into the third act with way too little screen time just kills the mood. Get a second location director to do all of the action as well next go round. I'm not a hater, just let down like a lot of the people coming out of the theater today that wanted to see something special. Bravo and Cheers to Ledger for the best villain in comic movies to date. Rest in Peace.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST

    The ferry scene was brilliant

    by messi

    you're just stupid tyler durden. the whole movie was brilliant actually.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    soylent mean, i'll bring the shovels

    by Prossor

    and dig the mass grave! we need to get these air thiefs in ditches and shot in the backs of their heads asap.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    The next movie

    by sonofjay

    *HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD* At the end of TDK everyone in gotham thinks that batman is a killer and a criminal (according to plan). Batman's reputation is ruined at this point (but he chooses to endure it). For the next movie they need to show the unrelenting hunt for Batman at the same time showing the turmoil this creates for Commisioner Gordon. But another goal of the next movie should be the restoration of Batman's reputation by revealing the truth about Twoface to Gotham. It can't be Gordon who reveals it, and certainly not Batman. They both believe that "Batman" must take the heat for the killings so as to keep Dent's message alive. Twoface has to be in the next movie (as at least one of the villians). Only the presence of Twoface becoming a "public criminal figure" in the next movie will exonerate Batman of the killings. I'm sure that Anthony Michael Hall will be defending him publicly as well (given that Batman saved him in the end).

  • July 19, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    jimmay

    by kwisatzhaderach

    what the fuck are you talking about? The Godfather Part II is one of the greatest movies ever made.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    'KNIGHTFALL

    by kulik

    is actually Waynes demise as Batman

  • July 19, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Butt thanks..

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Kulik...

    by depalma25

    did you have a point? You're a fucking retard. I get it, you go to movies. Bravo. I go to football games. This doesn't make me a football player. I wasn't trying to be an ass. I just was in awe of his complete disdain for a film that was, if not masterfull (although I think it is), in even the ardent critic's eyes, is a pretty good movie. Wait, you must be a producer for Space Chimps. You should have waited a week.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Two Face coming back would be perfect because...

    by messi

    it would kill the hope for Gotham which we all know in the comics there is none, so it would be perfect, that Batman is fighting an endless war against crime that can't be won. God that would be so awesome.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    to Dr.Kindsolving(SP?) DRUNK??

    by kulik

    he comes back...next movie....Bane takes him out..Paul replaces his ...for months....great detective skills putts him back in the middle of the ruckass.....he becomes Batman again..only this time he loss something that was crucial....the ability to BECOME...which i guess is real important when you don a cape and cowl....

  • July 19, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    messi

    by kulik

    nice "FIGHT CLUB" addition..brilliant show

  • July 19, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    The Batman comic book elements were so perfect

    by messi

    as in the things that make the books what they are, the joker laughing in his interrogation. The joker's way of talking when he says that he and Bats are destined to be forever. bats coming out of the shadows at the crime scene. God that really ruled. The way the Joker growled when he beat batman with a pole. A POLE! Like he does in the books. Gordon saying when he's commisioner "are you alright son?" Fucking hell the Nolan's are geniuses.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Fuck Oscar Worthy

    by messi

    This was beyond Oscars. Oscars mean shit. Stephan Graham gave one of the most realistic and brilliant performances quite possibly ever in This is England last year and he only got a british independant film nomination. It means jackshit. Being remembered via history is more important. If it meant anything, Bale would have already been nominated multiple times. Hell Gary Oldman hasn't won one yet either.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    depalma25 sorry but Back to the future 3 is classic

    by messi

    it is still a great mvoie, not as good as part 2 but as memorable and fun as the others none the less. Again with the memorable dialogue.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Black Mask and Penguin in a crime war for part 3

    by messi

    have it as a freak fest with many of the freaks coming out. Black Mask and Penguin in an arms deal war(which was the original rumoured plot) and the mobsters getting less prominent and the freaks taking over more. Then add Riddler and Catwoman to the mix. Ovcercrowding only happens when you make it a typical hero fights villain plot, but when it's layered like Dark Knight or Godfather 2 or Lord of the rings it doesn't matter how many characters you have.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Sorry mate...

    by kulik

    meant Pawprint in my Rant..not you...about the INDUDSTRy bit... ireplied to the wrong adress...drunk

  • July 19, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    depp+prate!!

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST

    anyways GREAT FLICK

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    I liked the tone of Begins better though

    by messi

    I miss the Narrows and the dirty brown streets, of course this took place in a different section. But hopefully the next one has more narrows in it and also the return of wayne manor which will bring even more of the beautiful brown hue that Pfister uses.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Two face was NOT dead

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST

    it was only a 40 foot drop

    by kulik

    gas on the face...didn't kill him..a measley 40 foot drop is trite

  • July 19, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    What was the population of Gotham???

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    During the film did i hear 30 million ...

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    or was i mistaken??

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by messi

    wow, you think the same as me. no heroes in real life. all the real heroes are fictional and they are the ones that inspire.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Iwant to vote

    by kulik

    but all the candidates suk

  • July 19, 2008, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Two face exposed would be even darker

    by messi

    it would be awesome because it would mean they FAILED. and that would be awesome. That batman's plan failed and that the city loses hope and he'll be Batman forever.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    DOGSOUP

    by messi

    movies are entertainment, if things like the hong kong scene are in there to be cool scenes, so what? if you want pure logic, go solve some math problems. Movies are entertainment. I've been arguing this point for years now. The point is for you to enjoy what you are watching.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    no real heroes

    by kulik

    wheres George Washinton when you need him......gas cost me 50 frakkin' dollars to fill my Crappy ass Geo............need a candidate that will take a stand....I'm really thinking of writing in Harvey Dent,....Fuck..every else sux monkey balls

  • July 19, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST

    JUST SAW IT

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Loved so much of this flick. Loved it. About half way through i just started smiling saying, Nolan's doing it, Nolan's showing people what movies can be, they can be about something deeper and still entertain the shit out of you. That being said, i didn't love the third act. felt they should have left two face for the next flick. As soon as dent got burned it's like he was rushed into being this crazed madman... just didn't love all the two face stuff in the third act. that being said. great great great great movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Would fans be pissed if they went straight to nightwing

    by messi

    no robin, but had dick grayson wanting justice and to be trained and instead they make him nightwing and more a scout character? I mean the character can work it's just the big detail of being Robin would be removed.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Casting Catwoman...

    by The Fly on the Wall

    Ummm yeah...Angelina Jolie might, you know, be a good choice. Also... I was shocked at the critics who hated the fact that they *SPOILER* killed off Two-face. I left the theater thinking he was alive. Great fucking flick!

  • July 19, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    new joker?

    by Brian

    Shia as the new Joker. Think about it.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Cate Blanchette's my pick for the Joker

    by Digesting

    If there is to be a replacement, that is. I just think picking a woman would instantly make for a very, ummmmm, separate Joker. The Joker would still be a man, just, you know, played by an astonishing actor, who happens to be a woman.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    messi

    by kulik

    movies are an escape...sometimes its a world that i wished id lived in..maybe for just 2 hours....or 2:35......i love the escape that cinema gives me....even the old cheesy Doug Mclure films....maybe I would love to be part of a Galactic Rebellion.....of maybe on a dig in Cairo and unearth the mother of all mummys.....maybe my world Sux...I live in the middle of ALASKA and it's starting to get cold.....maybe i wanna quit paying 4.55 for a Gallon of gas ...maybe i wanna believe a man could fly...(with big red boots..and a bright red cape)......i dunno....the world sux...iran sux...north korea sux.....iraq def sux...Idaho SUX..)(actually Idaho has good poataos)..allot good boys(and girls) are finding out the hard way..everyone hates AMERICA ..they shoot at them every day...the only thing we have is entertainment.we live are lives in a dream like state..nothing could touch us,....its not much...but it is all my ten bucks will do for me on a friday...sure i can buy a twelve pack of ice beer ...be hungover and forget bout the whole fuckin mess....or i can take my ten bucks and give it to Hollywood...and leave the planet for two hours......and think about it for the rest of my life...then discuss it with you donkeys for a whole godamn night and morning..or i could wake up hungover and do this shit all over again

  • July 19, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Matthew Lesko for Riddler

    by jbum

    ...He's already got the suit.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Messi...

    by depalma25

    Back to the Future 3 is a good movie in many respects (the Doc, teacher love story is sweet) but to say it's a classic is insulting. It's not even a cult-classic. It's not even a "it's so bad, it's good" classic. It's a notch above mediocre. The word "classic" gets thrown around haphazzardly. Rethink your outlook.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    First timer...

    by Viz Argo

    Anything I could say has been said already...except...can anyone please make a case for this Batman utilizing a voice modulator so that people can stop making such a big deal of the Bale/Batman voice?

  • July 19, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Lt. Kafee...

    by depalma25

    I am a jerk, fine. Anyone who thinks Citizen Kane is a bad movie, is, yes...no friend of mine. What would we talk about? My whole life is film And no, I don't work at a video store. I can buy you five times over. Love your Username by the way.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    support your local..

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    COMIC SHOP!!!

    by kulik

  • July 19, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    63-65 million opening day...

    by AudaAbuTayi

    ...or so reports darkhorizons.com. Spidey 3 had 59 millions opening day. That single day is 15 million more than the entire first weekend of Begins... While boxoffice doesn't reflect quality, there are exceptions. Wow.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Why does Batman talk...

    by depalma25

    to Lucius Fox in his crazy, whiskey Batman voice? Habbit maybe?

  • July 19, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    they dont get paid much

    by kulik

    and plus they gotta deal with arses like y'all every day....Wheres the He-man series.....do you got Archie or Heathcliff mags around.....y'all bitch too much and don't see what right is front of you,,,,,Dark Knight is the GREATEST novelization by far of any movie ever made...of cource 98 percent of you have been poitive,/.////there are the few nawsayers.......PEOPLE!!!!!this is as good as it gets.....comics are ony comics for Christ sakes .....we cannot do any better than this DARK KNIGHT before us.....quit yer bitchen'''''this is the best we can do....maybe it had a pacing problem...not.....maybe it had fight editing ploblems....not.......maybe it was the best film you have ever seen......yeah there will be a part three.....yeah..Joker will need replacing(sad)......but for now...for today.....put on your batman shirts and display your "I BELIEVE IN HARVEY DENT" bumperstickers with pride......cause this is as good as it gets till maybe Star Trek.....

  • July 19, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    hey depalma...

    by Viz Argo

    I just "tried" to address that. He talks that way when he has the mask on no matter who it's to...It only stands to reason within what makes sense with "this" Batman, that he would have employed a voice modulater in the mask. Once I worked that out in my mind, the "voice" was no longer a distraction to me...just one more thing that "worked."

  • July 19, 2008, 5:52 a.m. CST

    This was a great movie.

    by Psyclops

    I can't heap enough praise on THE DARK KNIGHT, it's one of the best films I've seen this year and it's definitely the best of the BATMAN movies. It's dark, compelling and filled with such rich characters. Heath Ledger just completely blew away all expectations and delivered one of the best villains in movie history. I wasn't sure what to think about all of the Oscar talk surrounding this performance but after seeing what he's done, how he's completely transformed into this character, I think he deserves to be nominated at the very least. I don't think I've been this impressed with a high profile "geek" film since Peter Jackson finished out his LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy. This is such a terrific movie and I can't wait to see it again.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    oh, and regarding Heath/Joker...

    by Viz Argo

    If Nolan doesn't do 3, and it becomes a Hollywood/Studio film and they hire Ratner or Bay to do it...then yes, the Joker will be back to continue the iconic-ness that has been created here, only to be shat upon. If Nolan does 3, what he created here will not be ruined. The Joker may be hinted at, hell...they may even use some unused footage of Heath from TDK to push forward whatever story they come up with for 3. But these guys are too smart to re-cast this role. What Heath did here is beyond what most of the big name actors are capable of. My wife reference Brad Pitt's performance in 12 Monkeys, saying he probably could have done a respectable job. Look, I think Pitt's a fine actor, but what Heath did is quite a few notches above from what he is capable of...

  • July 19, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST

    I found this interview with Gary Oldman...

    by depalma25

    I was really moved. It's regarding Heath's performance. " I got a sense of it the first morning I worked with him, and uh, I thought this kid’s a bit good! And he was doing the scene himself, and I called a respective friend of mine who asked, ‘What’s Heath liked?’ And he said he’s sort of tuned in, it’s like a frequency – he’s found a radio station that we can’t hear. He found something. That happens to actors sometimes… You know, I think over the years when I think of performances – Nicholson in “Cuckoo’s Nest.” Al Pacino in “Dog Day Afternoon.” That sort of work where you look and go, ‘Wow, that’s going beyond… that’s special. I think he’s sort of done that. I think there are times when an actor would just like… go through the sound barrier.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Aww man Gary Oldman come on how did i forget

    by SID 8.0

    He was brilliant! When you think of some of the complete psychos he's played over his career he disappears into Gordon. A great cop in a city out control, even saves Batman. Great scene telling his son about it.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Oldman as Joker...

    by depalma25

    Gary Oldman, I'm sure, was considered for Joker at one point. He was so original in True Romance. Even Kinda scary. He was the glue that held The Dark Knight together. He was the moral compass. Michael Caine, although having a big decision to make in this movie, needs more to do in the next one.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Our Video from the SF Midnight IMAX Showing

    by ryanatgradschool

    http://tinyurl.com/6jyfav yeah, we're that cool, deal with it.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Heath's Joker IS Talkback

    by deadnotsleeping

    I was thinking about this on the way home from the theater. He's cruel, sarcastic, cynical, funny, weird, pathetic, ironic, taunting, boastful and gleeful. Ledger hit everyone of those notes and it was wonderful and distrubing to see. <p> But no love for Maggie's 'Rachel"? Made me forget all about Joey Katie Tom's incubator . She was a tough cookie. No, not a cold hearted bitch. A Tough Fucking Cookie. <p> Harvey did have the broadest storyline and when comparing it to the other performances, for him to stand out how he did is just amazing it its own right. <p> You know the worst part of the movie for me was Bale's perfomance - and something I thought I never would say. I love Bale. I would have sex with him. But it was like he was the catalast of conflict instead of the CONFLICT. This, if for no other character, felt like the only "Act Two" part of the movie. Also, what was with the growly "Batman" voice? Are you trying to disguse it? Because I just think you just need a Richola.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Paul Bettany as the Joker

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    Or bitchslap Burton and his Batman movies even harder by casting his buddy Johnny Depp. Both of them would be perfect, I think.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    JONATHAN ROSS NOT SO HOT.....

    by SISKOKID

    Ol Wossy (sorry Yanks, won't know this guy) is a well known genre fan-he said on his radio programme this morning the film is long, wordy and boring. Hmmmmm..........

  • July 19, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    "keep on trucking, cuz that ship doesn’t dock here."

    by Lemming

    Seriously...that sounded like something Will Ferrel would say for comic effect.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST

    iamnicksaicnsn - catwoman foreshadow

    by Sebilrazen

    I'm assuming you meant the scene with the new suit when Bruce asks Lucius if it will keep him safe from dogs, and Lucius said "It will keep you safe from cats."<br><br> Catwoman was the first thing that popped into my mind too.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Harry! Good review!

    by Sparhawk38

    I agree with everything you said. I love your take on hHeath drawing a line for others to take up the challenge. I think I have been a little depressed over his performance because it was so damn fantastic that I could not imagine someone coming back with that character. What you said makes perfect sense. We may get a misstep along the way, but I think his portrayal should inspire someone to continue it and find their own glory in it. AND...Oldman is brilliant. The end.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    only way to go

    by Nut

    I think the only way to make a 3rd Chris Nolan batman that reaches the bar set here AND bypasses the Ledger dellimma is to make it The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman and Joker are in late 40s early 50's. That story line continues on themes from this movie as well (Joker yin to Batmans yang; does Gotham need a hero, copycat batmen, etc)

  • July 19, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I Think DARK KNIGHT RETURNS Will Be The Model For 3

    by LaserPants

    It won't be the same, of course, there won't be any Superman or nuclear war, but the idea of a Batman in retirement / self-imposed exhile coming back to clean up Gotham seems about right if the ending of TDK is any indication. Then you gotta throw in your Joker as Hannibal Lector behind-the-glass, keep the copycat Batmen thing going, maybe introduce Catwoman (as someone inspired by the Batman's vigilantism manybe?), keep the Dent thing going, and so on and so forth...<br><br> Prepare yourself to be disappointed, though, because there is NO WAY part 3 is going to be able to top 2. However, it could wrap it up really nice. Oh, and please dear god no, do not go any farther than part 3. 3 is plenty.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Finally Two Face redeemed on film.

    by hallmitchell

    Had to wait so long for that. I would go with Pee Wee Herman as Joker. Put him in the next film. I would go for a two face in the next film. Yet he wold be dam hard to look at for a whole two hours. I would like to see The Riddler redeemed as well.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Speaking Of Two Face

    by LaserPants

    The efx on that were fucking horrifyingly awesome. A totally terrifying vision. Brilliant!

  • July 19, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Maybe this should be the last film

    by A for Aristocrat

    There is really no way they can top this movie. It was perfect. I really couldn't stand the curse of third movies hitting Batman. Yes there are a million ways they could go from Dark Knight but even if the next movie is good it could never come close to this one. I'm against the Dark Knight returns idea floating around. This franchise will continue there is no way around it. The third movie won't end batman because there is too much money down the road. Nolan will be on board and it will definitely make money ensuring a forth but I can't see anything coming close to this. The dark knight was magic..absolutely no way this should have happened but it did. The Joker story is complete in this one film...he doesn't need to come back. You get all the information you need and know he will be back even if it is between movies. The main problem is they can never top the joker...and I don't know if they should even try.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Bringing back villians

    by A for Aristocrat

    One other thing, does everyone really want these movies to keep bringing back the same villians? That was the problem with Superman...Lex Luthor every freaking movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    No Way Can It Be The Last One

    by LaserPants

    It was left with too much stuff wide open, too much left up in the air, for it to be the end. I kinda agree that the Joker won't need to come back (I just think he could be recast if need be), but the Batman DEFINITELY has to... and most likely he will. I also don't suspect there will be any question that Nolan will be back. At this point, he can pretty much write his own check and do whatever the hell he wants since TDK is going to make AT LEAST 300, 400 million plus. I mean people are going absolutely nuts for this movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    A little more conversation

    by deadnotsleeping

    This has been a really good talkback so far. Very few one liners and a discussion of the actual film. I guess this place really is cool sometimes. <p> (I "reviewed" a talkback. Lame.)e

  • July 19, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    A few Niggles

    by Psychobabble

    Loved the movie on so many levels, but had a few minor issues: 1) Did a scene get cut after Batman saves Rachel at the Party? I imagine Bruce Wayne coming back to the party and finding several wealthy Gotham socialites with hor doeuvres toothpicks skewering their eyeballs. 2) Did anyone miss Wayne Manor? 3) They could have done a little bit with the city scape scenes to maintain continuity with the first movie. 4) The movie had such a realistic quality (see #3) that seeing Batman in some scenes was actually jarring for me.... 5) The last 30 minutes felt sloppier than the 100 minutes or so before. Perhaps it was the editing, the way the movie seemed to be ending and then picked up again, I'm not sure. Overall, though, this is unlike any other "comic book" movie I can think of, and it raises the bar to such a level, that I'm not sure where they could go with a third Batman movie....I'm hard pressed to think of a Villian in Batman's rogue galerie that wouldn't be a disappointment after Heath Ledger's Joker

  • July 19, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Niggles?

    by LaserPants

    You fucking racist! (Sorry, bad joke.)

  • July 19, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    After The Party

    by LaserPants

    Yeah, totally agree the jump is jarring to say the least. There needs to be either a quick shot of Joker and crew leaving, or Bats going back to the party and finding the Joker has split, but left him a card with a sardonic message of some sort.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I'm tired of people dissing Batman Begins.

    by Cotton McKnight

    That movie was absolutely fantastic. It wasn't done for "marketing" or whatever Harry said. Do you REALLY think that? Give me a break. That was not a child's movie and I am actually offended by the implication. <p>I haven't seen the Dark Knight yet, but I can't wrap my mind around how it could possibly be better. And yet I keep hearing that it is. Amazing. <p>For whatever it's worth, the only misstep of the first movie was hiring Katie Holmes. Yeah, I do realize how awful she was.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Bad Joke...but I did smile

    by Psychobabble

    : )

  • July 19, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Something your review has that others don't

    by kafka07

    Thank you for giving us your impression of the BATMAN. The praise for Ledger's Joker in other reviews is fine, but I never see anything written in TDK reviews about the actual Batman. After all, this is a Batman movie. And I liked your comparison to Buford Pusser too. Walking tall and kicking ass. :)

  • July 19, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    ryanatgradschool

    by LaserPants

    You are a RAGING dork, but I respect your fearlessness in displaying your Herculean dorkitude for all the world to see without restraint or fear of shunning. Thats how the Joker would roll! Cheers!

  • July 19, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    kulick:

    by GregoryHarbin

    Yes, it was stated in dialogue that the population of Gotham was 30 million.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Nurse scene....

    by nEo4EvEr

    Why has no one mention that...Joker dressed as the nurse then running after he finally get's his bomb to work...blowing up the hospital was the greatest shit ever....I vote for Keanu as the next joker...YOU KNOW HE WOULD NAIL IT!!!!!! R.I.P. Heath.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Too Late!

    by LaserPants

    Keanu will be playing Plastic Man in the Wachowski Bros next bomb (keeping in mind that I loved their previous bomb, SPEED RACER). I understand he says "whoah" a lot and looks confused.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Nurse Joker.....

    by samuraiyao

    Didn't remember anything after that scene... Completely shattered my senses and consciousness....

  • July 19, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    My 2 cents on this flick

    by alienindisguise

    Things I liked: The stand out scene for me was the interrogation room scene between Bats and the Joker. Fucking classic! Two-Face...killer look and performance but weak origin and "end" Things I hated: The Joker talked way too fucking much..he's psychotic, not explanatory. It was like he was trying to justify everything he did through words and to me that aint the Joker. "wanna know how I got these scars?" No fucker, the first time you told the story was enough. I didn't like the fact it was warpaint and not a chemically induced face. Also, the Jokers final trick if you wanna call it that with the boats..super weak!!! Batman's voice...sounded like he was about to drop a load in his batsuit the whole time and it played more like a parody than menacing. Strong start to the flick but it's 30 mins too long and falls apart badly at the end. Not a bad flick but not the second coming everyone sees it as. Regardless of how much cash it makes I'm good without needing a third one.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Friday: $65 million per Deadline Hollywood Daily...

    by Pennsy

    http://tinyurl.com/5ogxs9. Not counting the 18.5m from the midnight showings.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Hesky75 is right

    by Darth Valinorean

    Daniel Day Lewis to take on the mantle of the Joker... Older.. crazier.. different mannerisms with a hint of Ledger imitation .. It could be SCARY and FANTASTIC

  • July 19, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    ONE HELL OF A MOVIE.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I saw one of the midnight/Friday morning screenings and it was quite the experience. The sense of anxiety that permeates throughout the film definitely had a slight physical effect on me upon exiting the theater. Lots of people hanging out in parking lots talking about various details and favorite moments. Great stuff.<P>The movie is ambitious and loaded with great performances (and a surprising number of cameo-like familiar faces). I feel there is a sense of total confidence in the intended scope of this movie - it's just incredibly well made. I will no doubt catch another screening.<P>And Heath...<P>...thanks for giving one of the most memorable performances I've seen in years. It is something special.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    My suggestion for a new AICN Catchphase Meme.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    When something sucks, people are inclined to say that it "Nuked the Fridge".<P>Well, I would like to suggest that if something doesn't suck, then it be referred to as:<P>FLIPPED THE BATPOD.<P>Example: "THE DARK KNIGHT was awesome! It totally flipped the Batpod!"<P>Steady on.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Pennsy - your link

    by Sebilrazen

    Said it includes the midnight showings. <br><br> <strong>"That includes the $18.5M in midnight-to-3AM shows from a smaller pool of 3,040 venues."</strong>

  • July 19, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    "I'm like a dog chasing cars in the dark...

    by LaserPants

    I don't know what I'm doing. I just... do things."

  • July 19, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    YackBacker!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Oh yeah. There are a lot of things happening in the movie (almost too much!) and a lot of ideas being conjured up in very intelligent ways. So, there is depth and I was glad to see that caused discussion.<P>I have no idea where Nolan can go now either. If they do choose to do a third one, I'm of the opinion that they may want to go smaller but have the resolution/conclusion go out on a big heroic note.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    FLIPPED THE BATPOD!

    by LaserPants

    I like it. Its the reverse of Nuked The Fridge or Jumped The Shark -- when something kicks ass so fucking much it FLIPPED THE BATPOD! I think we have a winner, Gaius.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Serious CHUD bias...

    by waldo

    Devin at CHUD gave the film an 8.5 out of 10. Now seeing as how he rags on Batman Begins any chance he gets,that seems impressive. Now he states that it is o.k. to good! The more money it makes, watch his bitching increase and the rating drop. Devin is talented but really full of himself. From here on out I trust nothing they say about anything Batman.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Reading some of the comments about casting...

    by Underdogthe3rd

    Now I see why this should not be done by newbies, like us. Johnny Depp (Joker)? Juliette Lewis (Harley Quinn)? Anjelina Jolie (Catwoman)? OMFG!

  • July 19, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Harely Quinn = SMG

    by deadnotsleeping

    aka BuffytVS . I think she would excel in the roll. And she needs a movie cult that rivals her TV one. Then she can take over the world.˙

  • July 19, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    And yes I know...

    by waldo

    that most on CHUD liked the flick, but If you read the reviews, It seems to really piss them off that they like it.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Fuck Daniel Plainview

    by The Octagoner

    No, DDL should not replace Ledger. That's just stupid. And if Saturday Night Live can do a spot-on impression of your performance which is actually as good as your acting... it wasn't a great performance.<p>Histrionics and caricature isn't that incredible.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Playkins - You're an asshole.

    by ZeroCorpse

    I didn't say it sucked. I said it was good. I just don't think it's "THE BEST EVAR!!!!1!!!" or anything like that. <p> So basically, you're saying that if I don't agree with your level of hyperbole then I shouldn't be allowed to watch movies? <p> Yeah. You're an asshole. <p> I'm a fixture here. Ask any of the AICN old-timers, including the staff; They've known my writing for over a decade. -- Who the hell are you? I've never even seen your name here before. What are you, in your teens? in your twenties? Grow up, kid, and come back when you have something more creative to say. (And if you aren't a kid, then I'm sorry. I didn't know I was picking on a retarded person).<p> Fuck you. I'm entitled to my opinion, and considering that I didn't even pan the movie, and gave it a good- not perfect- but good review, you have nothing to stand on. <p> I didn't say it sucked, but little whiny fanboys shitheads like you, acting all crazy over a less-than-perfect review are sure to sour my opinion if you keep this bullshit up. <p> Jeez. You remind me of a Whedonite. "IT'S ALL OR NOTHING! YOU EITHER LOVE IT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE OR YOU'RE THE ENEMY OF THE FANBASE!" -- Seriously? Is that your attitude? Then fuck you AND Batman. I'd say it deserves an even LOWER rating because the hardcore fans are total fucking assholes about it.<p>

  • July 19, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Who will pick up the Oscar?

    by deadnotsleeping

    Friend and I were discussing this in our seats before the movie even screened - there is a lot of "Oscar talk" around Heath's performance (not just on this site) but if he did win - who would accept the statuette in his honour? He said his ex-wife and I said she was probably an "ex" for a reason. I think Hollywood (and maybe me; I'm debating) would suggest that Jake Gylanhall accept. He is his daughter's godfather. But I am leaning towards Nolan as well.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    NIcholson

    by AbsoluteTruth

    I know I am in the vast minority most likely when I say that I have always thought that Jack Nicholson's performance as the joker was extremely overrated. Now looking at that role after Ledger it makes me think that not only was it overrated, but it wasn't that good at all. Hate beating a dead horse but holy shit Heath Ledger was amazing.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Mark my words...

    by billis3811

    It's going to be the Riddler.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Harvey took quite a tumble

    by Caerdwyn

    But is Dent dead? I couldn't tell, and I was really looking to see if he was breathing after the fall. Bats survived (though he has the armor), so it is possible Dent did as well. It WOULD feel a little cheap if after all the build-up the only Two-Face we get is a tidbit tacked on to the end of Joker's chaotic romp. Heck, the Joker CREATED Two-Face - we need more of him. But do we need a third flick solely dedicated to him? No, I think Nolan can do more with the mythos. If this is truly to be a trilogy and number three is the last we'll get, we need at least another rogue from the rogue's gallery, and it certainly.. and sadly.. will not be a repeat performance by the Joker.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    anyone think Harry liked Spiderman III more than this?

    by BMacSmith

    he's always been a fan of the campier shit. i think deep down he hates the dark and gritty comic world.

  • July 19, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Question for anyone *SPOILER*

    by Darwyn

    Why did Batman take the credit for several dead cops when they could have pinned it on the Joker? I know it would have been a moral compromise to pin it on the ultimate fall guy, but not naming Dent as the killer was a kind of moral compromise to start with, albeit a justified one. Also, just to chime in, I can't believe Harry suggested someone else take the reigns. That may be the most pragmatic choice, but I just can't imagine Nolan and co going for that - can you imagine the pressure on the actor? Replacing Rachel was one thing, but sheesh. Also, the one major qualm I had was that I never felt harvey was as threatening as the Joker. The Joker was trying to destroy order as we know it; Two-Face was what, trying to make a commentary on chance? No comparison. Harvey's transformation was sad as hell, but never terrifying to me (or believable in blaming Gordon). That sad, this is one of my favorite movies ever.

  • July 19, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    They updated, then. Thanks. :)

    by Pennsy

  • July 19, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Addendum...

    by Darwyn

    *Take the reigns on the Joker character is what I meant.*

  • July 19, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    the twists and turns

    by A for Aristocrat

    Sinister I was pissed about the gordon thing too. The movie was so involving that I forgot about trailers and everything else I heard and really felt everyone was in jepoardy including Batman. It will just make the second viewing all the better. This really didn't feel like a batman or superhero movie. The Joker owned Batman. He beat him in every possible way and the only victory Batman had was his faith in the citizens of Gotham. Everything we have seen for the past 20 years got flipped on its head. Not enough good words for this movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Amazing movie

    by superfleish76

    I was a little disappointed with the treatment of Two-Face, but you have to look at it from the view of a larger story. What they did with Two-Face will set up the scenario for the third movie. Nolan has a very clear direction in mind with these films, and after this one, I trust his judgment totally. Ledger was awesome, but we need more Joker at some point. He did an amazing job, but now that the path has been laid, it won't be as hard for someone to follow in his footsteps. How awesome would it be for the Joker to get his revenge in a future film with something in the vein of crippling Barbara Gordon?

  • July 19, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Darwyn

    Although as far as replacing Heath, I do see why Harry would say that - I can't imagine where they could take a third movie, either in terms of Rogue's Gallery or theme, that could top this in stakes, story or structure without the Joker. Had Heath not died, the capitalization on the line from the Joker that he and Batman were made to do battle forever would have been orgiastic (It's a Harry review, it taints all of the affairs). But as Heath is dead, I can't imagine someone taking the reigns and me not being uncomfortable with it.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Joker re-Casting

    by Psychobabble

    I suppose that if you had to recast the Joker, I offer up a suggestion: Adrien Brody....he's got that long somewhat distorted face that might look great in white pancake. Hey, I thought Heath Ledger was an odd choice when I first heard it.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse

    by Caerdwyn

    Well done. Rabid fanbois can turn me sour toward anything... movies, video games, board games, you name it. Whedonites as of late are particularly disturbing. I'm avoiding Dr. Horrible right now because I know "I haven't seen it yet" is far more acceptable to my Whedon-obsessed friends than "I saw it but didn't like a few of the jokes" would be. Yech.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    How do you critique a masterpiece

    by whofan71

    Not perfect, but the good far outweighed the bad. I was a little distracted by how the "hostage" seen was shot, because of the low lighting and how busy it was. My main complaint is that I seriously don't think they will be able to top this. 3rd acts in superhero movie series' usually suck. I miss Heath Ledger!

  • July 19, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Adrien Brody or Crispen Glover or Johnny Depp.

    by future help

    any would do. But i hope they don't.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    You know who'd be interesting

    by TheMcflyFarm

    Peter Sarsgaard for the Joker. We know he could act, but can he change his voice?

  • July 19, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    People downing Tiny's seen.

    by Mr402

    His seen had just as much tension as others in the film. More so because the guards and others would let a criminal/murderer do that for them. That scene was good I dont care what folks say. Tiny killed it.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Mr402

    by Mr402

    "Scene" edited. :)

  • July 19, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Mr402

    by Mr402

    Also I agree with folks not liking the bat voice. It did lend a bit of cheese everytime he used it.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Immortal Fish

    by brobdingnag

    You are wasting your time. Most of the posters are socially inept loners who live through the movies they talk about here. Liberal doesn't enter into it for most of them. They hear someone on television tell them to hate Bush so they hate Bush. We are not talking about self sufficient, economically educated people here. Mommy and daddy pay the bills and most of them won't own a house or even a car until grandma or whoever they live with dies and leaves it to them. They either can't handle more than one argument on either side of the = operator, or they are simply so far removed from the reality of having to turn out some kind of productive effort of their own that they cannot understand what it means to be a responsible adult. So arguments about basic concepts like supply and demand or national security are simply not an option.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    THE THREE WORST THINGS IN DARK KNIGHT

    by Interficium

    1) FUCKING SONAR: Both in the total implausibility of the whole thing and the way it contributes to the irritating way the skyscraper hostage scene is cut.<BR><BR>2) BATMAN'S VOICE: As multiple talkbackers have mentioned, Bale's Batman growl sounds awesome when it's short and sweet (See: "I'm counting on it!"). Once he starts moving into, how shall we say, "paragraph form" such as the philosophical speeches towards the end (You were the best of us, etc etc), it gets ridiculous and more of a put-on.<br><br>3. JOKER PLOT-HOLE: Seriously, where the hell does he go once Batman jumps off the tower to save Rachel? Does he kill everyone in Bruce's penthouse? If he leaves, isn't Batman just waiting for him down below? This was the only logistical jump in the movie that pissed me off.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    For Catwoman you need someone

    by Datascream

    who can play twisted and sexy at the sametime. I honestly would vote for Charlize Theron. She can play crazy ala "Monster", and I know the movie was utter crap, but her appearance in Aeon Flux had a very cat-like image, also very sexy I might add. She's a great actress, she'd be perfect.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Bats should lay off the smokes...

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    I couldn't understand shit he said!

  • July 19, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    AND YES

    by Interficium

    I still loved the movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    by g-ride9000

  • July 19, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    TDK will watch both Godfathers with you

    by g-ride9000

  • July 19, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    kulik

    by Damage_Inc

    That may have been one of the greatest posts in the history of the talkbacks. Bravo to you.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    boxofficemojo reports...

    by Interficium

    apparently the friday estimate is $66,400,000<br><br>insane

  • July 19, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Darwyn

    by Damage_Inc

    I thought the same thing. Why would bats take the blame when they could pin it on Joker. Also, would the Joker or anyone else involved actually keep Dent a secret? It doesn't make a bit of sense.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Am I Alone In the Universe?

    by crazybubba

    Is there anyone else out there who does NOT want to see Nolan recycle more villians from Tim Burton's and Schumachers Batman movies. No more CAtwoman, PEnguin or RidDler. If you want to see some fresh villians speak up, don't be shy.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Kicking Ass and taking names!!

    by shatterglass

    WOW! $66 mil for Friday alone!! That pretty much beats Spider-man 3's biggest opening record of $59 mil to a disgusting pulp! And I agree with crazybubba, I would prefer to see something really unique in the third movie. Maybe a Black Mask or a full Two-Face story, or even possibly have Ra's come back or something. Just don't add a villian just to add a villian like the other Batman movies. Please.

  • July 19, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Why the Fuck are people so hung up on....

    by j2talk

    WHY are people so hung up on the Joker and/or Harvey Dent coming back? Batman has OTHER Villains!!! Move on, they have been done now and done well so lets see what's next..... The same goes for Robin, if Robin makes it into an upcoming film great- if the story calls for it, but not if they are just going to shoehorn the character in there to meet some perceived "Need"

  • July 19, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Definitely Not the Greatest Superhero Film Ever

    by Kal Reeve

    It's an excellent crime film, no doubt, BUT NOT the greatest superhero film ever. It lacks the epic grandeur, majesty and charm of Superman: The Movie, as well as the emotional weight and soulfulness of Spider-Man 2. Yes, I know, Batman is a far different character than both Clark and Peter, thus the tones of his stories are different. But I wouldn't call The Dark Knight a great Batman film, I'd call it a great Gotham City film. Bruce was short-changed in this film. While Harvey Dent, the Joker and Jim Gordon were each masterfully realized, Batman, for the most part, was relegated to the sidelines. The Dark Knight is a unique, powerful addition to the pantheon of great superhero films, but it certainly is not the penacle.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    crazybubba

    by Damage_Inc

    I hear you. Fuck those B and C grade villains. They should bring Dent back ala The Long Halloween. I have a feeling they might.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Re: Other villains

    by Interficium

    Not used in movies?<br><br>uhh... killer croc? hush? mad hatter?<br><br>the list is pretty thin...

  • July 19, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    we are so hung up on JOKER!

    by crashbarbarian

    because why would you not want more of that! You don't take a hit of some awesome mind blowing utopia inducing drug and just because you can't take another hit as great as that one you stop taking hits! Heath was top notch as the joker but someone else can and will do it because the most important thing is that this trilogy is completed and that the third movie is as good or better than this one!

  • July 19, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    And the best moment in the film comes from a bit player

    by lettersoftransit

    That one guy who's on the screen for just a few minutes and has one speech during the ferry sequence. You know who it is if you saw it. What made me feel great is when my son spontaneously applaude, the and the audience followed suit. Getting the aud to applaud a special effect or a line is one thing. Getting them to applaud a moral decision is something else.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by Damage_Inc

    I have to agree with you. I think I had more of an emotional reaction to Spider-Man 2 that TDK.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    kal, damage... you guys are kidding right?

    by crashbarbarian

    right?

  • July 19, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Datascream - Nolan's gunning for actors, not movie stars

    by chiefpapa

    Trust me, as much as I love to see Berry or Theron don the catsuit, Nolan has shown us that he's not looking for A-list movie stars to be in his Gothamverse. If anything, the casting choices for the next flick should be Helena Bonham Carter (chick in fight club) playing Catwoman; Phillip Seymor Hoffman for the Penguin and Brittany Murphy as Harley Quinn. Hopefully he will choose one or two of them for the next flick. Yes, I know what you all are going to say, Murphy an actress? But think of how Harley was portrayed in the comics and especially in the animated series. I really can't think of anyone else who would portray Quinn. Dayem, I should be a casting agent.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Um... Uh...

    by crazybubba

    I actually like the B grade villians like Man Bat, Killer Croc, Bane, Harlequin, Mad Hatter and Scarface, but I also liked GrindHouse...I guess I am alone in the universe on this one (weep,sob, boohoo, wahh, woogie woogie). Hey booboo wanna steal a picnic basket?

  • July 19, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I'm not kidding.

    by Damage_Inc

    The movie was great but there were not any parts that really stirred anything inside me.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Brittany Murphy would be a good Harlequin but

    by crazybubba

    I prefer Maggie Gyllenhal

  • July 19, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Zerocorpse, go have your period elsewhere

    by TheLastCleric

    People like you are contrarians by nature; you add inches to your flaccid little peckers by talking shit on things other people love. By your own admission the praise this film is getting annoys you, so rather than act like a man and walk away, you come in here and whine like a cunt. Nobody gives a fuck what you think and nobody cares that a handful of people have issues with this film because true quality transcends stupidity and ignorance. Go suck off Spiderman 2 or whatever floats your boat and leave this discussion to the adults.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Move on......

    by j2talk

    we got to see the Joker....yes it was a good performance...NEXT!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • July 19, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    This review was posted yesterday? TOO SOON!

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • July 19, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Damage

    by Kal Reeve

    Absolutely. And an essential element of any great superhero film is the ability to suddenly become larger than life and stir a powerful, emotional reaction within the viewer. As technically sound as The Dark Knight is, it not once compels a powerful emotional reaction. It failed to resonate on that level. The Dark Knight lacked that one magnificent moment in the tradition of Superman launching into the sky, tears streaming down his enraged face, to reverse time and save the love of his life; or Spider-Man nearly being ripped in half trying to stop a train full of New Yorkers from speeding toward certain doom. The Dark Knight needed just one epic moment like that to make it a great superhero film.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I'd honestly hate to see them try to use the Joker again, but...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    But if they do, go with either Crispin Glover or Ben Foster. If you've seen Hostage or the 3:10 to Yuma remake (especially the former), then you know the guy can do deranged & creepy. He's not only got experiance busting Bale's balls in 3:10, but if you saw him in the Punsiher movie, you know he's no stranger to facial torture either.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 2 was better? Give me a fucking break.

    by TheLastCleric

    Spiderman 2 is easily one of the most overrated pieces of cinema in history, filed with mediocre performances from most of the leading cast and saved primarily by Molina’ s work. Anybody who can watch that film and TDK and can’t honestly recognize the massive gulf in quality between the two is beyond even reasoning with. TDK has performances from Freeman, Bale, Ledger, Eckhart, Caine, while Spiderman 2 has Tobey looking mostly stoned all the way through it and Dunst delivering one of the most grating and unlikable performances in recent memory. Understand something: TDK wasn’t made for the dissenters; it’s not spectacle, it’s not crass commercial entertainment and it’s not a simple-minded good time at the movies. TDK is a courageous and intelligent film that actually delves into the nuances of the mythos. If you want grandeur, goofy villains and lots of bright lights and gee-whiz effects, you are clearly in the wrong fucking place.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    66 Million Friday

    by fofo

  • July 19, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Villians

    by A for Aristocrat

    Batman has enough villians for a dozen more movies. Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Harley Quinn, Black Mask, The Wrath, Bane, Hush, etc...etc...etc. Some of them might not be as well known to the public but how many of them knew who Ra's Al Ghul was?

  • July 19, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Not really a plot hole, but... (¿SPOILER?)

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    How did the Joker overtake the guy in the cell? If that ONE guy would have just stayed outside the cell, SOMEONE would be alive, and SOMEONE ELSE wouldn't have lost his face!

  • July 19, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Great Film.

    by Sinister187

    I loved it, Ledger was great as The Joker. For the next installment, I'd like to see either Bane or Hush, that'd be pretty cool, imo.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Kal Reeve, TDK had that moment.

    by TheLastCleric

    Batman’s decision to take the fall for Two Face at the end of the film to preserve Gotham’s collective hope is far more heroic than Superman flying through the air or Spiderman saving a trainload of people. Not only does Batman essentially place the entire city upon his shoulders, he does so at the cost of his very own reputation. It is a selfless and monumentally courageous act and it is even more impressive because, unlike Supes and Spiderman, he is a mortal and therefore at much greater risk. So yes, that scene was present in TDK, but since you obviously value bombast and spectacle over nuance and subtly, you obviously missed it. No doubt quite a bit of TDK flew over that pitiful, pseudo-intellectual head of yours.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    All of you have Batmans Dick in your mouths...

    by Underoos Hero

    Seriously. In no way was TDK what any of you have said. I think Devin over at Chud had the closest to true review I've seen yet. There is NO hope for any of you.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Jeff Albertson, stupid people are the best endorsement

    by TheLastCleric

    Anytime a film gets slammed by someone as ignorant and woefully ridiculous as you, that in and of itself is reason to rejoice. The fact that you didn’t like TDK isn’t really much of a surprise but it does make sense. Enjoy Spiderman 2, little fella. TDK was made for adults.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Why I still prefer Batman 1989

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Being a "boring' art film lover, I prefer a super-hero film that really explores the metaphor of the particular question, because what are these super-heroes, legends, and myths, but metaphors for our own existence. And imo, Tim Burton's "Batman" is nearly unparalleled as a two-hour long metaphor for the dark recesses of the human mind. Everything in that film, from the opening credits to the last shot, works as an extension of the inner mind of Bruce Wayne, and, in a way, of our own dark sub-conscious. I recommend everyone listen to the director's commentary on the '89 Batman DVD. This is a reason why Ang Lee's "Hulk" is also a favorite of mine, as nearly every shot in that film works as a metaphor for man's eternal Promethean quest, to go beyond our God-given boundaries. Super-heroes work most profoundly when they explore the metaphor of man, and the '89 Batman and Ang Lee's Hulk probably have done this better than any super-hero movie I can think of.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    66 MILLION FRIDAY

    by mefrog

    I contributed about 17.50 to that. So good. SO good.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Next Villian: Michael C. Hall (Dexter) as Zsasz

    by Cletus Van Damme

    C'mon, you know you want it.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    No, Count Me In...

    by Rebeck2

    I did not feel any emotional reaction to this film, except dread. SPOILER Rachel's death had no real sense of loss - hell, I felt worse when I thought Gordon was dead. Gyllanhal is not really made for a popcorn movie, and she is one strange looking wench. That's right, I said it. I would rather look at a beautiful fresh young thing like Katie Holmes, whose performance in BB was just fine if you ask me. You would think her death would wreck Batman, but ehh, not so much. You know what? Go ahead and flame me. Call me every name in the book. And yes I love Casablanca and Citizen Kane, so... But, THIS MOVIE IS VASTLY OVERRATED. It's got too much plot and not enough enjoyment, nothing breathes, it is cut with a meat axe, a lot of it doesn't make sense, it's so dark that it loses any sense of fun - which, correct, me if I'm wrong, comic books and summer movies are supposed to be, the action is still muddled and hard to follow, Batman feels like a supporting player in his own movie, and it creates such a corrupt world it's almost not worth saving. (If the ferrys had exploded, I would have checked out entirely) I think Ledger's performance is fantastic, absolutely the only real joy in the film, and Bale makes a great hero (can he go from Batman to Bond? - I'd be happy), it's not his fault he's not allowed much range. I love when the Bat-Pod comes out and does its first run, true Bondian coolness that the (also more serious) new Bonds have seemingly forgotten. The trick Batman pulls with the truck flip is cool. Oh yeah, and the skyhook thing in Hong Kong - I loved that. And the cityscape visuals are really beautiful. Other than those things, I have already forgotten this movie and it's not going in my collection. I'm not a comic book fan, but I do own some comic book films that I love: Xmen 1&2, Spiderman 2, Batman Begins (superior to me than its sequel), and yes, Superman Returns. I'll take a movie that concentrates on character more than mindless mayhem and BUILDS it's action sequences with meticulous clarity any day of the week. I'd rather have three specific action sequences in a movie instead of 13 that never really distinguish themsevles. And of course it all comes back to: Do you care what happens to these people? Here I just wasn't that invested. I don't know what they're going to do next - any bleaker and I know the public will turn off these movies. I guess I'm the one person in the whole world who wants the Batman movies to be fun - not stupid and bloated like the Burton and Schumacher films, but fun. Exciting. This film just never got there for me. It was always threatening to, on the verge of, but it didn't do it for me. Now, go ahead: assault my education, intelligence, manhood, eyesight, patriotism... I've never seen such a cult-like rabid attack on every dissenting opinion.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Better Batman's dick than Devin's, Underoos Hero,

    by TheLastCleric

    Anybody who actually thinks Devin is right about anything should probably be shopping for a wet nurse because their mind is obviously slipping. Although I do happen to remember you being one of the shrill cunts who was slamming this film months ago because you hated everything about it even before seeing it. Good luck with that, big man.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    66 MILLION DOLLAR FIRDAY

    by Underoos Hero

    Means that the scientists are absolutely correct in their assesments about the almost epidemic proportions of rising Autism.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Superman III was on when I got home from seeing TDK...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...talk about a day of going from one extreme to the other.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Good. Not Great

    by thot

    I liked it. It has flaws to be sure, but pretty good overall. Too dark, depressing and nihilistic for me but entertaining nonetheless. Joker was a scene stealer and Ledger will be nominated for the Oscar. Two Face was pretty much wasted and unnecessary. Bale was solid but the Bat-voice has got to go! Awful! And the cowl looked terrible in several scenes. I look forward to a lighter, more comic-bookish return to form for Batman. Nolan will do a third to be sure and I'll go see it, but I'm looking forward to a change.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Rebeck2...you're 100% about Maggie G.

    by Cletus Van Damme

    I'm the straightest guy in the world, and I'd rather fuck her brother...apparently so would Ledger. ;)

  • July 19, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    NEXT!!!!

    by j2talk

    saw it, liked it.....ready for the next film on my list..............

  • July 19, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Moviemack's Bitch Brigade has arrived.

    by TheLastCleric

    The handful of greasy little pussyfarts that have been blasting this film for months obviously needed to vent and I understand that. Nothing's worse than being irrelevant, which is precisely what you guys are at this point but by all means, have at it. Thus far my favorite post is C. Ryu lengthy, banal and pretentious analysis of Batman '89 and his claim that it's an in-depth exploration of Bruce Wayne's mind. Fuck, talk about over-reaching. Look fellas, it's over. Batman '89 has been erased and Nolan has delivered what no one thought possible: a definitive Batman film and a true adult comic book movie that also exists as a legitimate work of art.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    People hating on this movie was suspected...

    by andrew coleman

    And I roll my eyes at you. Some people NEED attention so badly that they will do anything to get it. I'm not talking about the guys who have stated a true opinion... I'm talking about the guys trying to make this a competition by saying this is bad but something else is better blah blah. The Tbers who just state what they are thinking well that's your opinion and that's awsome whatever... It's the others who hate just to do it well I'm going to put a smile on your face...

  • July 19, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Last Cleric

    by Rebeck2

    I don't know who you're talking to, or about - am I a...movimack...pussyfart, whatever that is? - but thank you for proving my point. Even though you clearly didn't even read my post.

  • July 19, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Have to wait an extra week in the UK

    by pokadoo

    I think it's to do with timezones, we're, like, a week in the past or something. Oh well, WallE tonight should keep me going.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    FINALLY, THE FAT MAN WRITES IN

    by ryman7

    NOW I can go see it.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I'm a sheep?

    by TheLastCleric

    Three years ago, when Begins came out, I really loved the film but told friends that the sequel would be far superior because, with the origin story out of the way, Nolan could really begin to explore the mythos of Batman, especially if he brought the Joker back and portrayed him correctly. Two years ago, when Ledger was cast, I immediately was on board with the casting because Ledger had the right look and I knew he had the acting chops. One year ago I saw the first teaser and heard Ledger’s voice and laugh and knew, even from that brief clip, that he had nailed the role. So by all means, dipshit, call me a sheep. I’m just not so sure that really applies to somebody who was predicting excellence three years before the film was released. It’s hard to follow when you’ve already arrived, don’t you think?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins was slightly better

    by darthwaz1

    TDK was awesome, but kinda all over the place at the same time. BB was more focused. I'd love to see more direct comic interpretations of these movies, like a "Hush" movie for example.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    and THANK YOU Harry for saying bring back the joker

    by ryman7

    for disagreeing with every other reviewer- just because Heath ledger died doesn't mean the joker should die too. Couldn't it be a testament to Heath ledger's skills that fans want his joker to live on?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Rebeck2

    by Damage_Inc

    I've been thinking that same thing about BB. I think I actually prefer that over TDK, and I'm not sure why. Is there anybody else that feels like this?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight has wonderful metaphors

    by mefrog

    I just completely lost my entire explanation due to hitting the back button. Anyway, SPOILERS for the two of you who haven't seen the movie...<br> <br> The whole point of the movie is expressed in Harvey's one line, "You either die the hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian." Batman is not a conventional superhero such as Spiderman or Superman. Those superheroes, while their alter-egos may be flawed and struggling, will always rise to be the hero and never get lost in their creations. Batman, on the other hand, is a monster and Bruce Wayne knows he is. He had to create a monster in order to incite fear and terror and now, since Bruce is spending so much time as Batman he really is becoming a monster himself. The best example of this is when Batman is interrogating the Joker and loses it, beating the Joker into the ground while sealing himself away from the police.<br> <br> The Joker is the half of Batman that has become truly lost, a freak beyond hope. Batman and the Joker paradoxically are polar opposites yet have many things in common. Enter Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Dent is the balance between the two, half a hero still for justice and half a villian, lost in his own quest. He is the hero that Batman wants to be, the one out in the open.The Joker is Dent's side that has become twisted trying to save Gotham, while Batman is still Dent's side that is whole.<br> <br> And at the end of the movie, Batman makes the choice that shows which side he has chosen - sacrificing his image to protect Gotham is an act more heroic than Superman saving an airplane or Spiderman stopping a wild train. He is not acting the hero because it is unnecessary. It shows that Bruce Wayne still has his sanity, that the monster has not taken over. Bruce says, "Gotham needs a hero with a face," so he gives them Harvey Dent, the man he hopes to become one day.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    "Nolan And The Common Geek Folk"

    by Underoos Hero

    I will start off by giving Christopher Nolan a little credit. He knows his core audience, his demographic for this movie. He knows that most of you nerds take yourselves waaay too seriously. He knows that a lot of you tried to grow your beards when you were teenagers so that you may look older and wiser. He knew that by you trying to grow out your beards at such an early age it meant that you thought yourelves as "stoic", "mystical" and "wizardly". You pictured yourselves as the characters you played in your fantasy role games. As you fealt your intelligence growing (through the reading of L. Sprague de Camp,David Farland and Terry Goodkind ) you also started to form a strong bond with your own opinions for things of no concern to anyone else. You started to demand that comics become more "adult" and that your superhero movies follow suit. "Why can't Batman be more real?!" I want to beleive it because I am now starting to realize that I may not be that fantasy character I thought I was. I miss my mom fixing me bowls of fruit loops on Saturday mornings while I watched cartoons. Hold on!! I really am an adult now!! I want my childhood back but I want it to be adult like!! My god, I just realized something....I do lack social skills and the ability to seperate fantasy from fiction. I want my cartoons, comics and superhero movies to be a grown up version of my childhood past I try so desperately to cling too. GODDAMN I SUCK!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    TheLastCleric

    by Damage_Inc

    the problem with the emotional thing at the end of TDK was that it didn't make a bit of sense as people have pointed out above. It also felt rushed about Batman taking the blame. I agree with everyone who says this movie fell apart in the third act.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The Penguin should be played by a dwarf.

    by rev_skarekroe

    I'm completely serious.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Augh, I hate wrapping up explanations

    by mefrog

    Always do a lousy job

  • July 19, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    mefrog

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Nice analysis of Dark Knight's metaphor

  • July 19, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    "Nolan And The Common Geek Folk"

    by Underoos Hero

    I will start off by giving Christopher Nolan a little credit. He knows his core audience, his demographic for this movie. He knows that most of you nerds take yourselves waaay too seriously. He knows that a lot of you tried to grow your beards when you were teenagers so that you may look older and wiser. He knew that by you trying to grow out your beards at such an early age it meant that you thought yourelves as "stoic", "mystical" and "wizardly". You pictured yourselves as the characters you played in your fantasy role games. As you fealt your intelligence growing (through the reading of L. Sprague de Camp,David Farland and Terry Goodkind ) you also started to form a strong bond with your own opinions for things of no concern to anyone else. You started to demand that comics become more "adult" and that your superhero movies follow suit. "Why can't Batman be more real?!" I want to beleive it because I am now starting to realize that I may not be that fantasy character I thought I was. I miss my mom fixing me bowls of fruit loops on Saturday mornings while I watched cartoons. Hold on!! I really am an adult now!! I want my childhood back but I want it to be adult like!! My god, I just realized something....I do lack social skills and the ability to seperate fantasy from fiction. I want my cartoons, comics and superhero movies to be a grown up version of my childhood past I try so desperately to cling too. GODDAMN I SUCK!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    mefrog

    by Damage_Inc

    Yes, that was a great explanation.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Zerocorpse

    by deadnotsleeping

    Your whining is the thing that makes me want to vomit. How you've been here for ten years and no handed you your stupid ass on a plate, I'll never know. Talkback ain't as tough as they want it to be, I'd say. You're some stupid girl, aren't you?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Undies

    by Damage_Inc

    Why the double post so far apart?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    High Expectations

    by jamsun1227

    Face facts, most people went into that movie with high expectations based on the success of the first and the hype surrounding Ledger's Joker. Nothing lives up to our own, unrealistic expectations. Give this movie a few years and watch it again through an objective lens and its quality will come out.......To others who say there was no emotional reactions: Harvey Dent's transformation was emotional b/c Eckhart played it as a man who world crumble around him. Also, watching Ledger as the Joker had to bring some reaction if only b/c he died and this would be his last, full role.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    again all this talk about recasting the Joker-why?

    by j2talk

    no one has yet explained WHY the Joker needs to be recast.....why does there NEED to be the Joker in another film we have this movie, we have a Joker tale....the storyine can progress there are other villians in the world...

  • July 19, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    1989

    by Jason B. Swaim

    The only people that do not like the 1989 Batman were not even an itch in their Daddy's pants. Just kidding. That is the best trolling attempt I have in me. If you don't like it, your choice.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    1989

    by Jason B. Swaim

    The only people that do not like the 1989 Batman were not even an itch in their Daddy's pants back then. Just kidding. That is the best trolling attempt I have in me. If you don't like it, your choice.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by Jason B. Swaim

    Double post

  • July 19, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Recasting the Joker

    by Damage_Inc

    Would be the biggest mistake they could make.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Underoos Hero

    You're right let me fix that.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    "Nolan And The Common Geek Folk"

    by Underoos Hero

    I will start off by giving Christopher Nolan a little credit. He knows his core audience, his demographic for this movie. He knows that most of you nerds take yourselves waaay too seriously. He knows that a lot of you tried to grow your beards when you were teenagers so that you may look older and wiser. He knew that by you trying to grow out your beards at such an early age it meant that you thought yourelves as "stoic", "mystical" and "wizardly". You pictured yourselves as the characters you played in your fantasy role games. As you fealt your intelligence growing (through the reading of L. Sprague de Camp,David Farland and Terry Goodkind ) you also started to form a strong bond with your own opinions for things of no concern to anyone else. You started to demand that comics become more "adult" and that your superhero movies follow suit. "Why can't Batman be more real?!" I want to beleive it because I am now starting to realize that I may not be that fantasy character I thought I was. I miss my mom fixing me bowls of fruit loops on Saturday mornings while I watched cartoons. Hold on!! I really am an adult now!! I want my childhood back but I want it to be adult like!! My god, I just realized something....I do lack social skills and the ability to seperate fantasy from fiction. I want my cartoons, comics and superhero movies to be a grown up version of my childhood past I try so desperately to cling too. GODDAMN I SUCK!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    "Nolan And The Common Geek Folk"

    by Underoos Hero

    I will start off by giving Christopher Nolan a little credit. He knows his core audience, his demographic for this movie. He knows that most of you nerds take yourselves waaay too seriously. He knows that a lot of you tried to grow your beards when you were teenagers so that you may look older and wiser. He knew that by you trying to grow out your beards at such an early age it meant that you thought yourelves as "stoic", "mystical" and "wizardly". You pictured yourselves as the characters you played in your fantasy role games. As you fealt your intelligence growing (through the reading of L. Sprague de Camp,David Farland and Terry Goodkind ) you also started to form a strong bond with your own opinions for things of no concern to anyone else. You started to demand that comics become more "adult" and that your superhero movies follow suit. "Why can't Batman be more real?!" I want to beleive it because I am now starting to realize that I may not be that fantasy character I thought I was. I miss my mom fixing me bowls of fruit loops on Saturday mornings while I watched cartoons. Hold on!! I really am an adult now!! I want my childhood back but I want it to be adult like!! My god, I just realized something....I do lack social skills and the ability to seperate fantasy from fiction. I want my cartoons, comics and superhero movies to be a grown up version of my childhood past I try so desperately to cling too. GODDAMN I SUCK!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Underoos Hero

    How's that?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Favorite moments in the film

    by mefrog

    My favorite for sure is Gordon's final speech - that thing gives me goosebumps it's so true and powerful. Love Gordon. Harvey's silent scream in the hospital, when he wakes up and realizes he has nothing left, set to that music cue, is outstanding. And yeah, just because it's totally fucking badass, I geeked out when the Joker killed a guy with a pencil.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Well, I mean.. (SPOILER!!!)

    by Aeghast

    ..How much time would've Dent lived anyway? I mean, with that eye.. almost hanging out.. dry-out.. "agonizing pain", as Gordon said.. Come on.. he couldn't last long

  • July 19, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    opening day box office record set

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    66.4 MILLION!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!! batman begins made less than that in its first 3 days!!!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Underoos Hero

    by Garbageman33

    Generally, when you're gonna talk down to people and act like you're better and smarter than they are, it helps to figure out the whole "single posting" thing first. Idiot.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Ledger yelling at captured Batman impostor did it for me

    by Reload

    An underrated part of the film occurs when Ledger nicely asks the impostor to look into the camera twice, and when he refuses, Joker yells at him a third time in a voice that is absolutely unhinged in its fury. Just, wow. LOOK AT ME! That part scared the shit out of me.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    Generally when you are going to flame someone on these here talkbacks it helps if you go back and read the posts. This way you'll have a little better grasp on the subject matter you are trying to comment on. Idiot.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    Then....generally, you will see as to why I double posted. Idiot.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    And, generally if you wash your underware more often you won't have that over abundant baby diaper waft emanating from your person. Oh, and shave your beard too you fag.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Metaphors....

    by Psychobabble

    I have found both Batman Begins and TDK to be a rich source of metaphors. While the first movie explored the idea of Fear, this movie centers almost completly around Choice. And it is not the simple choice metaphor that some comic book movies explore: clear good vs. evil. In TDK, the choices are rarely clear cut, which is why it carries so much more weight than the typical summer blockbuster. Even when a character thinks he is making a choice for good....it could have devestating consequences. The Joker believes (and some might argue) that he alone represents ultimate freedom of choice...but there lies anarchy, freedom with no limits or responsibilities. Untimately the characters are fighting for the freedom of choice and fighting afainst the idea that choices are pointless. This makes Harvey Dent's story arc one of the saddest, because when faced with the consequences of his and others choices, he succumbs to the ultimate despair of puposelessness. Ironically, by choosing to let chance (coin toss) decide his actions, he is making a choice as well. Most of the other characters (and the general population of Gotham) make significant choices in the film, some of which will have interesting consequences, but at least they have accepted some measure of control over their fate.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    On the issue of Chud, Underoos Hero...

    by billis3811

    The Chud reviews are about as interesting as an elderly whores rancid anus. Devin faraci reads like a bitter old dork who hates anything popular, because its popular. He tries to be an anti-geek, but mostly comes off as a lonely, pathetic pussy. Fuck Chud, and fuck Underoos Hero(Faraci!)

  • July 19, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    "I love films the way a dog loves humping your leg at Thanksgivi

    by Dashing Roger

    Well said, Harry. The most honest thing you've ever written. <br> If you could just work food into that quotation somehow (like "...Thanksgiving dinner, after I just went for eighths"), it could be your introduction at your this-is-your-life roast.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Psychobabble

    by mefrog

    Great evaluation.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Let me get this straight

    by Garbageman33

    You posted the same inane message twice...on purpose? In that case, I take back what I said. That's genius.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Metaphors....?

    by Underoos Hero

    Psychobabble. Really? You have got to be fucking kidding me? Are you looking for metaphors? If so, please scroll up and refer to my post entitled "Nolan And The Common Geek Folk". I'm quite sure you will find this post rich in "metaphors". Enjoy.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I also like your creative spelling of "underwear"

    by Garbageman33

    It's so much better the way you spelled it. And it makes a much better insult. I'm sure the folks at Merriam Webster have taken note.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    box office record

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    i think its hilarious in the quality difference between spiderman 3 (current record holder for opening weekend) and dark knight. spiderman 3 might be one of the worst movies ive ever seen, and although i havent seen dark knight yet, i have a feeling that it will easily make my top 10. its cuz the retard studio execs think "hey lets not have any bad guys, it might scare the kids." then the movie breaks records. fuck that. i love that nolan and co. have thrust a finger into the ass of those morons and all the dickheads in charge who constantly fuck the source material in the ear

  • July 19, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    Washing machine? check. Dirty undies? check. Laundry detergent? check. Now, simply combine the detergent and dirty undies in to the washing machine, set prefered cycle, set and wash.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Underoos Hero, your post...

    by billis3811

    Is rich in excrement. Stop trying to be an "outsider". It's sad.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhaal

    by Zombieflicker

    Am I the only one that thinks she's totally NOT attractive? She's a great actress, but as I was watching Dark Knight I kept thinking that Bruce Wayne of all people could do better. Her body isn't even hot, only average. Yes, I'm a pig.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    DEPALMA25

    by acebandage

    Wow! I usually don't care when someone blasts my opinion on a talkback because that's just their opinion, but when I read your comment, I was blown away by your arrogance, your bloated sense of superiority and your ignorance. First off, Godfather, Chinatown and Casablanca are three of my favorite films, so for you to assume that I think those movies are boring without having a clue makes you ignorant. Second, you stated that I "obviously" don't work in the industry, well, I have been working in the industry for 15 years now, but because you are so ignorant, you assume that anyone who differs in opinion from you must be below you and be, as you said "talentless and uneducated". I'm so glad to hear that people like you are so proud to throw around the "I work in the industry, I'm that much better than you" attitude. I am not as ignorant as you are so I will not assume what you like or dislike or your career choices. If I were to assume, I would say that you are some snot nosed fresh out of film school punk who uses the name of his favorite director as a screenname because he hopes to someday achieve that level of greatness in his art as soon as he gets a few more Production Assistant credits under his belt and enters his video project in that festival.

  • July 19, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    Bad wannabe Gandalf beard? check. Razor? check. Shaving cream? check. Simply apply shaving cream to face, shave and rinse. WAHLLAH!! New look!

  • July 19, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    As bad as the fanboy dweebs can be...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...there is no one on all the internets as retarded as a dedicated AICN troll. Isn't there already a site for people who want to spend long hours hating movies and acting like self-impressed cunts? Chud, or something?

  • July 19, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    billis3811

    by Underoos Hero

    Your undies are rich in excrament.

  • July 19, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Underware Hero

    by Garbageman33

    There's nothing better than an elitist who also happens to be really, really dumb. I'm sure irony is a concept that'd give you almost as much trouble as the spelling of underwear and not hitting the "post talkback" button more than once. But trust me, you're well on your way to becoming the poster child.

  • July 19, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Underoos....Yea I had read it...

    by Psychobabble

    How could I have missed it since you posted it twice. I was going to give you a pass on your arrogance....Others have already indicated what they thought of your post. Unlike you I don't feel a need to pepper my reponse with insults and four letter words. I also am always amazed at the holier than thou attitude of some people who are posting on a "geek" fan site

  • July 19, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Underoos Hero top 3 movies...

    by billis3811

    #3.Earth Girls are Easy #2.Basic Instinct 2 and Underoos Hero favorite movie of all.... #1 Biggles: Adventure's In Time

  • July 19, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    mrfan saw it.

    by mrfan

    I really enjoyed this movie. It wasn't the second coming but one hell of a ride.<p>Thought the cast was outstanding. Everyone deserves props.<p> Hopefully they will make a third. Love to see Nolan and crews vision of the Penquin or Riddler.<p>Glad I went.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Underoos Hero

    by ebonic_plague

    Look! I'm paying attention to you! You can use this opportunity to use some misspelled variation on the word poop! You can probably get a good 3-4 flame posts out of this! Look how happy you are!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    I'll guess that you're in your twenties and you had a problem with paying attention in school but yet you were the fag that sat in class correcting people. It takes more talent to play dumb well than it does to be dumb and act talented.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    True Story...

    by billis3811

    Underoos Hero was caught jerkin' his dirty twig at a 3am showing of Fresh Horses, starring Molly Ringworm..wald and Weekend At Bernie's Guy Can you feel the heat of the red playing card Underoos Hero?

  • July 19, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Reload

    by Damage_Inc

    Yeah, that part with Joker yelling was awesome.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33,ebonic_plague,billis3811,Psychobabble

    by Underoos Hero

    I am pretty sure that all of you combined could not toil with me on any level. How do I know this? Well, none of you have even begun to get the gest of what I'm doing. So, knowing this I have fun with the likes of your kind. Keep at it though. You guys are trying really hard and it shows. You'll give up soon and accredit it to "He's not worth it". hehehe

  • July 19, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    catwoman may appear

    by Shadow Warrior

    in begins, bruce says "...to all you TWO-FACED friends, you sicophantic suck-ups, who SMILE through your teeth at me, please go. stop smiling, this is not a JOKE, please leave..." so if nolan leaves clues to who his villains will be, then the mention of cats may indicate catwoman. she's realistic, she just has to be a catburgler, and they may give her the name catwoman coz she's female, she doesn't necessarily have to wear a catsuit.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    This is too easy

    by Garbageman33

    I could continue to insult you, but at this point, it's like running the 50-yard-dash against a group of Special Olympians. Sure, it seems fun and you feel a momentary sense of accomplishment. But soon, you end up feeling bad for taking advantage of someone who's obviously quite challenged.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Gest, Jest, or Gist?

    by Psychobabble

    Nah, our puny minds could never compare to yours, UH.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Garbageman33

    by Underoos Hero

    You just proved my point above...

  • July 19, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Jeff Albertson has truly forfeited all credibility

    by crashbarbarian

    ... of course you can not say that TDK was a shitty movie and have any ounce of credibility left in your body! Please do society a favor and stop trying to think about things!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Toil?

    by ebonic_plague

    I don't get your gest, man, maybe your dyslexia coach could explain it to me, and then I'd understand the greatness of your highly nuanced performance art piece. I'm sure people WILL be studying it for years, trying to find a cure.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Get the "gest" of what I'm saying

    by Garbageman33

    No, I'm afraid I don't get the "gest" at all. I'm not even sure I get the gist of what you're saying. I just don't have the mental faculties.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    yeah the yelling was awesome!

    by Shadow Warrior

    one of the most chilling / disturbing parts of the movie. i was hoping for more scenes like that.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    and BTW

    by Psychobabble

    Your little performance is nothing new around here. Sorry.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Does anyone actually believe...

    by Damage_Inc

    That we will see a Catwoman in a Nolan Batman movie? Anyone remember that fiasco with H. Berry? Come on.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Are you smarter than a retarded 5th grader?

    by Garbageman33

    In Underware Hero's case, sadly, no.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Psychobabble

    by Underoos Hero

    Damn you're good!!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    SPELLEENG B

    by Underoos Hero

    You guys are really good at catching spelling flaws. However, attacking someone's spelling flaws is about as lame as it gets fellas. Sorry, it just is. You're going to have to come up with something better. None of your arguments or insults are funny or origianl. I will give credit where credit is due though. So if you happen to come across some good insults about me I will give you a digital high five. Otherwise, keep on suckin'.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Did you catch it?

    by Underoos Hero

    Did you catch the spelling error in my last post?!! Hurry now!! Who'll be first?!!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Gonna get me suma that....

    by Damage_Inc

    You misspelled origianl! *singing* You must be stuuuuuupid.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    You know what's lamer than misspellings?

    by ebonic_plague

    Cunts who want to wave their dicks around and attempt to troll but can't string together a coherent sentences. Take a cue from your spiritual mentor Albertson, there, and learn how to phrase a thought before you launch into your next contrarian attention binge.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Underoos Hero

    WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO You did it man! GOOD ONE!! ALRIGHT!! WAY TO GO TIGER!!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Strung out sentences

    by ebonic_plague

    Coherence sucks too.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by Underoos Hero

    Cunts who want to wave their dicks around and attempt to troll but can't string together a coherent sentences. "How did you miss that one"?

  • July 19, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I hope there wont be a joker in the 3rd

    by Shadow Warrior

    ledger's was too good, and the nolans are more than capable of writing him out. besides, there are a lot more freaks that they could introduce. i'd love to see the nolan brother's take on riddler (to show even more detective work from the world's greatest detective), Bane (a roided but smart big guy, which would make bruce consider steroids. this would be in keeping with the escalation theme, and it would require bats to match his wits and physical abilities with bane), and maybe catwoman as another not-too-evil villain. That way the nolans could correct the atrocities of burton's catwoman and schumacher's riddler and bane, after correcting the joker and 2face.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    damage, i thought you'd be on underwear's side on this issue!

    by crashbarbarian

    cause you just mildly liked TDK

  • July 19, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Have fun, underoos

    by ebonic_plague

    You win, enjoy your afternoon of, well, whatever it is you're doing.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Underoos

    by Psychobabble

    I guess that PhD was worth something.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    and about being the godfather 2...

    by Shadow Warrior

    of comic book movies. in imdb it's actually number 3 in the top 250 of all time, after godfather and shawshank redemption. It's actually AHEAD of godfather 2. holy shit.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Heath Was Great

    by Barron34

    I agree with Harry that it will take an actor with real stones to pick up the Joker that Ledger created here...And to those who say that we shouldn't have the Joker in any upcoming bat-films: I disagree. The Joker is Batman's ultimate villain. Excluding the character as an active force in future films could undercut the "epic" nature of the Nolan Bat-Films...As far as casting another Joker: Has anyone mentioned Joaquin Phoenix? I think he has the chops to follow Ledger's performance. He has a similar physicality to Ledger that I think would work, ie Phoenix's Joker would not be so different as to be discordant with Ledger's Joker, but Phoenix is a sytrong enough actor to make the character his own while respecting Ledger's work. As far as other actors who have been mentioned: I think Depp is too recognizable, too big a star to play the character. Daniel Day-Lewis would, I think, play the role in his own distinct style, by which I mean that I think his take on the character might diverge too much from Ledger's definition of the character. Basically, I think you need an actor who is strong enough to play the Joker, but not so drastically divergent from Legder's work as to make the Joker seem like anything other than the same character that Heath created. Phoenix, for some reason, seems like the right guy to me.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Dick Chaney for The Penguin? Too late!

    by Damage_Inc

    http://tinyurl.com/5l83b2

  • July 19, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    TylerDurden3395

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Are you on fucking crack?

  • July 19, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Thank You Guys

    by Underoos Hero

    Thank you all for your time today. I really learned something about myself today. But above all, I learned that there are competent people on talkbacks who are more than willing to help you understand your flaws and spelling errors. Even if they don't read or understand what they are reading it's nice to know that people like you are out there. So thanks for letting me win. Constructive criticism is wonderful. May you all beat the odds of your family trees and have tard free children.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Suggested Drinking Game for Dark Knight:

    by TylerDurden3395

    Take a shot whenever someone crashes through/jumps out of/falls from/gets skyhooked from a window/high building.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Suggested Drinking Game for Dark Knight:

    by Underoos Hero

    Take a shot everytime something in TDK sucks. Now that's living on the edge baby!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Underoos

    by Psychobabble

    Thank you, son.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Shit!

    by Damage_Inc

    Undies didn't make any spelling errors or double post that time. Now we might have to actually pay attention to what he's saying. God Dammit!

  • July 19, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Underwear... so in your game does anyone actually

    by crashbarbarian

    get to drink?

  • July 19, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Psychobabble

    by Underoos Hero

    You are good. How do you come up with this stuff? You're so "wacky" and original. Love it. *claps hands, re-reads Psychobabble's post and marvels at the wit*

  • July 19, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Mr Reese

    by teddanson37

    Mysteries? The Riddler? So probably the Riddler for Part Three, and I would hold off on Catwoman. As much as I was rooting for her to pop in 3 and let Bane be the real Baddie, I think maybe Bane should be put on hold til at least #4 so you can have the whole knightfall thing go down with him setting free tons of weirdos. So they need to introduce lots of weirdos in 3. And that's easy, cuz theirs a plethora of gimmicky villains to choose from (penguin, hatter, scar face) that would fit in well in that world. But who can be the villain in part 3? Like the really Bad A$$ guy like Ras Al Ghul and the Joker? I'm thinking bring back the league of shadows and Talia, and maybe even her dear old dad. Then show the rise of all these crazies at once. Then Bane for part four.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Underoos Hero

    I told you. It's because of people like you that someone like myself can improve upon his spelling misfortunes and turn that "R" in dyslexia around. Hold up...is there an R in dyslexia? Help please because my Google's not working.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    more like the Empire Strikes Back than Godfather 2

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    imo.<p>fucking amazing. i'm so glad i didn't read any spoilers for this.<p>harvey dent's character put this over the top into that stratospheric tier of films.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE WITH A GIRLFRIEND

    by happyboy

    Everyone I know IRL who has seen this movie (and considering the BO... it basically means everyone I know who GOES TO MOVIES has seen this movie already) loves it. They are not comic geeks they are REAL PEOPLE with girlfriends and REAL LIVES. Enyone who's bitching about TDK therefore is a virgin, ugly and a loser who wants attention. It's like the nerds at the comic book store who were trashing ESB when it came out to try to salvage something cool out of their pitiful lives simply by being contrary(and yes there were such people back). This is a great movie by any objective standard, you tards are too stupid to realize how retarded you sound by trying to trash it (kind of the like the neo-con psycho who trashed Godfather for being too violent) GET A CLUE

  • July 19, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Mr Reese

    by Damage_Inc

    Did anyone else get annoyed that that whole subplot went absolutely nowhere?

  • July 19, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Teddanson37

    by Barron34

    Of course, you realize that Liam Neeson was not playing the REAL Ras Al-Ghul in BATMAN BEGINS. He was playing Henri Ducard, who was PRETENDING to be Ras Al-Ghul. Bruce Wayne/Batman has not yet even MET the REAL Ras Al-Ghul. ?Liam Neeson?DuCard simply was one of Ras Al-Ghul's top agents, and a key leader in the League of Shadows. So, Ducard is deceased, but Ras Al-Ghul is still out there, scehming his evil schemes. Maybe we can get Nolan to cast Terrance Stampo as Ras.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Depp doesn't have rhe chops...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...anywhere near Ledger or Daniel Day Lewis etc...that's a whole other level. He's a 'star'. I'm always amazed when he's mentioned as a 'great actor'.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I liked the

    by Series7

    School scene in Die Hard with a vengence

  • July 19, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    I liked the

    by Series7

    School scene in Die Hard with a vengeance, better then the Batman take on it with the Hospital scene. (fucking double posting shit)

  • July 19, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by canopus

    that Christopher Nolan and Heath Ledger took the Joker to a completely different level, but things are a lot different than they were 20 years ago, no studio would have signed off on this then. And Nicholson's Joker wasn't like the TV Joker at all, if the Caesar Romero Joker captured me, that's just an inconvenience, like a flat tire. If Nicholon's Joker captures you, you're dead (remember those corpses with hideous grins). If Ledger's Joker captures you, you'll die, but probably have to watch your family die first. Burton's Batman came out a year after The Killing Joke, so we were all primed for a truly sadistic and twisted Joker, but there is no way the studio would have allowed that at the time. A lot has changed, and Burton's Batman helped pave the way. It was an 80s Batman movie, I'm surprised Burton was able to make it as dark as he did. Jack Nicholson did a great job considering the restraints of the time period the film was made.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Jim Carrey

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    is the only one that could duplicate that performance or best it. but he's already been the riddler and acted crazy in every film he's ever made. if only he could be an unknown and then cast again.<p>as for next movie's villains... bring back two-face and joker? or just one of them? PLEASE BRING THE RIDDLER INTO THIS. the riddler would make for a fucking amazing film, topping the twists and turns of this one. the penguin could be alright too, but the original burton films still hold a special place in my heart so i see no need to revisit that. batman forever's two-face was fixed, now fix riddler.<p>i'd say use two-face and riddler with cameos by the joker in arkham or something.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I say why chance it

    by Series7

    Make a Bizarro-Batman, or a What if... Batman. So it can be intentionally funny or stupid. Rather then make Batman and Robin or Spiderman 3.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    two-face and riddler?

    by Damage_Inc

    those are 2 villains that should never have been matched up once, yet alone twice.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    next movie...

    by GavinVanDraven

    Penguin emerges as a crime boss who runs businesses to front for his criminal activities, but should not be a main villain, just the new face of the mob. two face comes back of course, and the riddler (a puppet of the joker) continues to spread the chaos. see my posts above about the riddler and penguin.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Did anyone

    by Series7

    Else see the jowls on Maggie Gyllenhaal? I hope they cast her as skeltor in the upcoming He-Man movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    LAMEST JOKER EVER!!!!

    by suckit23

    Doesn't compare to Ceasar Romero!! Seriously though I came in my pants about 10 times during the movie, it was hard getting out of my seat afterwards.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    What happened to Undies?

    by Damage_Inc

    The heroic warrior of children's underwear? It's getting boring without him. Somebody insult him, quick!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    It's the riddler.

    by oodleday

    Gary Oldman said so a few weeks ago. There's speculation he's going to be an internet terrorist or something, which could be cool. http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/01072008/5/batman-fight-riddler-next-0.html. I thought Malin Ackerman would be a good catwoman but I agree that I don't think she belongs in Nolan's universe and she's already playing the Silk Spectre in Watchmen.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    i don't wanna see a 4th

    by Shadow Warrior

    if nolan doesn't do it. coz let's face it, nolan won't be doing batman forever (unintended pun, and a 3rd movie too!) but warner bros will continue making batman movies. so id rather nolan finish up with a 3rd then hand the reigns to another team for their own interpretation with a new cast, so that if they mess up, nolan & co.'s set of films won't be tarnished. we will always have the 3 great nolan batman stories. so i hope nolan agrees to do a 3rd and uses great villains like riddler, bane, and catwoman, and add supporting characters, real nutjobs like poison ivy or scarface, or some not so interesting characters like firefly to show batman catching some freaks in an intro just like scarecrow was used in tdk. hell, even if they just show newspapers that say 'the batman captures firefly / madhatter' i'll be happy enough.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by Underoos Hero

    I'm here. I'm just all better now thanks to you guys. I have nothing to add. My dyslexia however is not cured. I was lying about that part. I simply went out and bought a new ADA approved keyboard for the dyslexic. It's bad as hell! I don't even have to look down at the keys while typing either. Gosh this is neat.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know.....

    by Damage_Inc

    If Riddler was ever named Reese in any of the comics or cartoons?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Why Catwoman will be the next featured villain

    by Chishu_Ryu

    1. Luscious Fox hints at in TDK. 2. It's in keeping with the fact that Nolan has adapted Frank Miller's Batman universe, and you all of course know that Selina Kyle was featured as a prostitute in both Miller's DK Returns and Batman Year One. 3. Miller's Catwoman's underground world fits in with the gritty realistic universe of these recent films. Catwoman, a former street hustler and thief seeking revenge on the criminal underworld. 4. Catwoman is the fourth most recognizable character in the Bat universe behind Bats, Robin, and Joker, so that means good box office. And.. 5. WB needs to seriously reboot the character of Catwoman after the Halle Berry debacle...

  • July 19, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Two-Face will be back

    by suckit23

    I hope too see Two-face again, but I have no idea how they would do the story. I would love to see more villains but who and and why? The only other villains beside Joker and Two-Face that could really fit into the Nolan movies could be Black Mask maybe. Then again Nolan could go in an entirely different direction and really shake things up by focusing on monsters like Clayface, Killer Croc or Man Bat.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The Next Film

    by Mr.Krinkle

    Like at the end of Begins, the ending of DK makes me anticipate what Nolan has in store for us next in this remarkable series.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Here's a real drinking game.

    by TheLastCleric

    For the shrill minority who dislike TDK or want to nag it to pieces, how about a game where you take a drink every time you can actually recall enjoying something unconditionally; I mean, to really love and appreciate something, like a book or a film, and not waste your time complaining over trivial flaws that are present in all artistic expression. Most of you would never drink again, yes? It's really pathetic that we've reached an era where gushing over quality supposedly equals intellectual weakness; that everybody feels obligated to critique rather than to merely enjoy. Some films and books and even TV shows really are pretty fucking great and deserve praise, which is why I can honestly say I perceive myself as a much happier person than most of you who not only dislike this film but actually feel slighted that so many others, including the vast majority of critics, are praising it. You poser intellectuals, with your expansive, tired college words and your pedestrian cinematic deconstruction, seem to have forgotten one of the inherent and fundamental rules of criticism; you can dislike something and still appreciate it. I personally didn't like Ironman as much as everybody else but I still appreciate the quality it represents and I certainly didn't need to troll in forums to express my displeasure in some transparent need to harm other people's enjoyment. If you can’t glean some significant positives from TDK, regardless of your own personal distain, then there's really no reason to take your opinions seriously. Yes, TDK is that fucking good.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis

    by eXcommunicated

    As The Riddler. Let it be so!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Holy Fuckin Fuck !

    by Damage_Inc

    Just because Morgan Freeman said the word "cat" in TDK, it doesn't mean that it was a sly hint to Batman fans to expect Catwoman in part 3. Je. Sus. Christ.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I just saw it...kinda disappointed

    by Magic Rat

    It was a good movie, a really good movie. But Christian Bale is a horrible Batman. A good Bruce Wayne, but a horrible Batman. I almost laughed out loud at every word he said in his gruffy tough-guy voice. <br> <br> Ledger was great. Eckhardt was great. Gyllenhal was great. Olman was great. <br> <br> Bale was the weak link in this.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    my major nitpick about tdk

    by Shadow Warrior

    is how gotham looks so different, the only thing i recognized is the highway. no elevated trains, no narrows, different wayne bldg. but don't get me wrong, like i said these are just nitpicks. oh, and bale's voice in tdk seemed more distracting than in bb, i really wish nolan used a fictional voice-altering device instead, like in the scream movies ("hello cindy") but better sounding.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Sheep????

    by antonphd

    The Dark Knight is a work of art. Reviewers and viewers nearly ALL love and praise this film. But a very tiny handful of you who didn't care for it are calling EVERYONE who did 'sheep'? Ok. You enjoy your solitary self delusional elitist existence while the rest of us enjoy watching Heath Ledger give a gifted performance about people like you.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I thought the silent shot of Ledger

    by The Octagoner

    with his head out the car window, careening through Gotham, was really poignant. Iconic, even.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    so...what was up with Scarecrow?

    by Magic Rat

    was he just a regular schlub now, playing some role-playing Batman game? I didn't get the beginning part with him and those other guys.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Damage_Inc

    No shit. From that very first opening shot, you knew it was Chicago. That's ripping you right out of the movie before it even begins.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    if Joker's in Pt. III, expect J. Gordon Levitt in white makeup..

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The same way Maggie replaced Katie as Rachel, because they look somewhat alike...

  • July 19, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Would Some One Be So Kind To Fill Me in One The Final Dent/Gordo

    by mjgtexas

    I learned a very valuable life lesson today...if you drink a 64 oz Diet Coke before a 150 minute plus, sold out Imax film, don't sit in the center. So if someone would fill me in on what I miss while taking a record whizz, it would be greatly appreciated.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Robin Williams for The Riddler

    by antonphd

    Nolan and Williams together again. Robin finally gets to be Riddler, after being dropped for Jim Carey, and make him a cyber criminal fucking with infrastructure. Let Robin let out the nerd menace that he's shown in some of his other smaller films. Batman doesn't need physical enemies, he needs intellectual enemies. Heath was a marvel in TDK. I think that Robin, given the chance, could give as remarkable a performance. We all know it's there in him. That's my opinion.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    A knock on Joel

    by suckit23

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOWc_O6kJZw

  • July 19, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I agree that TLJ is a better actor than Eckhart, but TLJ/Schumacher's Two-Face was a travesty of that great character, just from the shear fact that you couldn't tell which side of TLJ's Two-Face's face was the scarred side and that he had shitty taste in suits.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Trolls > Double Posters

    by Damage_Inc

    All I got to say.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    damage_inc

    by Shadow Warrior

    i think fox's mention of cats is clearly a hint. honestly i didn't even get it while watching, and it felt kinda weird that fox said that. it's only now that i read it in these talkbacks that i realized it and it makes sense, and it's clearly a hint or simply just a nod. but like i said, in bb there were hints of joker and two face in bruce's drunk-acting speech ('you 2 faced friends...' '...who smile through your teeth at me...' 'this is not a joke...'). So going by that, it's not too far fetched to think maybe nolan is hinting that catwoman will be in the 3rd.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Jack vs. Heath

    by Doctor Phibes

    Great review, Harry. Although, I wouldn't call Jack Nicholson's performance "painful." Mainly, I think they were just playing two different characters. In fact, I wrote an article that compares Jack and Heath's differing performances in greater detail. You can check it out at: www.recycledfilm.net

  • July 19, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Shadow warrior

    by Bricktops hammer

    Yeah, that line made me look at my brother like WTF? Makes sense that it's a nod to Catwoman. Great earlier post about the speech in the mansion, too. Well done, never picked that up. Pot makes me slow, he he

  • July 19, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Great movie...

    by REDD

    Excellent cast, everyone was really good in their roles. Aaron Eckhart would be great as Cap. Speaking of Eckhart, wasn't there a character with that name in the first Tim Burton "Batman"? I think the Joker shoots him?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Damage_Inc

    I think you're on to something. In BB, Katie Holmes says the word Mask. That means Black Mask will be in Part 3. Fuck yeah! The code is cracked!

  • July 19, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    some thoughts...

    by theBigWasted

    am i the only one on this board who expected more from the dark knight? i mean, ledger's performance was a unbelievably brilliant but what about the rest of the film? the joker had all the best lines. bale's voice as batman was borderline silly at times, CGI dent as two face was laughable and undersold, the ferry scene went WAY too long and had a cheesy, pointless ending, there was virtually no chemistry between rachel dawes and harvey dent and even less between her and batman/bruce wayne. plus when she dies, she doesn't even get a funeral, alfred doesn't even appear to be upset, he simply tells bruce to "endure". in my opinion, nolan SHOULD have killed off gordon. doing so would have hijacked the movie from the audience and we wouldn't know what to expect after that. killing off a major character that we know damn well is supposed to live on would have been a brilliant move that would have allowed him to truly own the story and the audience for the rest of the film. the last 30 minutes of the film were just god-awful with that ridiculous sonar device and two face suddenly forgetting all reason and logic and kidnapping gordon's family. it's not like he suffered brain damage. harvey dent was an intelligent, upstanding idealist who we were shown during the first two thirds of the film to be an extremely rational and strong person. it's simply not believable that he would go that far, that quickly. i buy that he might kill the crooked cops and the mobsters but gordon's family? batman? didn't buy it. one last thing, with all the talk of realism in this film, making gotham and the joker more realistic, why the CGI two face? the last part of the film, once dent became two face felt rushed and crammed into a movie that didn't need it. they should have introduced two face at the very END of the film as the villain for the next batman. just some thoughts, anyone agree, disagree? i'm curious to hear your responses.

  • July 19, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Nicholson's Joker is Ledger's Joker's DADDY

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Ledger's Joker is the mixed-up, fucked-up, generation Y, abused scarred bastard offspring of Nicholson's deadly glory-seeking style monger. Search your feelings, you know this to be true...

  • July 19, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Rant

    by Damage_Inc

    Re: damage_inc Are you referring to me or someone else?

  • July 19, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    ps.

    by theBigWasted

    out of four stars, i'd give the film 4 out of 4 for during all the scenes featuring the joker, 2 out of 4 during the rest of the film, averaging out to 3 out of 4. it's not like i hated the film, i just think that it fell far, far short of what it could have been.

  • July 19, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Come on, the movie's lesser than BB

    by theplant

    Two Face sucks, all the scenes are botched at the end, didn't anyone notice ? How does Gordon arrest the joker, just by telling him not to move ? The movie is patch job.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    i was hoping Gordon was dead too

    by Magic Rat

    and rather disappointed when he turned up again. Yeah, the boat scene was dumb and pointless, but it served a slightly larger point about the people of Gotham not being as bad as the Joker thinks they are. The CGI two-face didn't bother me at all, I thought it was rather well done. <br> <br> My biggest gripe was the woman who brought her two kids with her, who couldn't have been more than 4 years old, and sat them down right in front of me. Seriously? Three quarters of the way through the movie the kids are running all over the theater and whining because they want to go home. It was unbearable.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    + DIE HARD RIP OFF

    by theplant

    tHE SCNE WHERE JOKER GOES FIND 2 FACE AT THE PARTY IS A RIP OFF OF DIE HARD HANS SEARCH TAKAGI SCENE? DIDN4T ANYONE IN THE WORLD NOTICE ?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    BOAT SCENE SUCKS

    by theplant

    In the real world, the good american citizen would have killed all the goons, and be proud of his genocide.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    +

    by theplant

    Bush would have decorated him. Cop off from the filmakers.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    So, the worst thing(s) about Dark Knight....

    by The Dum Guy

    According to multiple reviews and opinions are:<br><br>We don't know what happens after Rachel is saved.<br><br>Batman has a weird voice.<br><br>The movie is too long, but needed to explain the above Rachels saved scene.<br><br>For some the movie is too dark. Irony.<br><br>It isn't 'fun' enough, shouldn't have been so serious.<br><br>No one gave me wad of hundred dollar bills while receiving felatio from multiple strippers, while doing coke off their backs (okay that last one was just me).

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    TheLastCleric

    by Kal Reeve

    You're calling me pseudo-intellectual when your entire post came off like the pretentious tripe of a second-year drama student? Please. Please get lost and take your anxiety somewhere else. I gave an honest, and highly favorable opinion of The Dark Knight, yet, because it's not a gushing love note you attack me without provocation? Take some Xanax or get a hobby.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    theplant

    by Damage_Inc

    No idea what you are even talking about. And stop yelling.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    magic rat

    by theBigWasted

    i understand that the ferry scene was supposed to show that the citizens of gotham were basically decent human beings. but i mean seriously, who would actually throw the switch on the other ferry? no one on that boat would ever live that down, no matter what. it's silly to think otherwise. besides a batman movie shouldn't be about these little cliche heartwarming moments of decency amongst us. i actually wanted the joker to win, he was the only interesting character in the entire movie (except for dent pre-two face). it's sad but i wanted all those little whiny bitches on the ferry to blow themselves up and for the jokers face to light up like a christmas tree when it did. \

  • July 19, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Not a happy ending, Harry?

    by AntoniusBloc

    I think for a film like this, the ending falls into that definition. What I love about this film, and why it is so moving, is its underlying hope,much like in LOTR. The heroes always have a hope in a higher ideal, bigger than themselves, a higher good, that they are willing to sacrifice themselves for. This was no Seven, where the bad guy wins. Look at the ferry scene, the Joker is perplexed, Batman had faith. Yes, Dent falls, but the higher ideal he believed in is so strong and important to Batman, and Gordon who realizes what he is about to do, it is so strong that Batman is willing to sacrifice himself for the ideal everyone saw in Dent, but it is really in the true hero of the film, Batman himself. So, truth is sacrificed for Truth. For a higher ideal. Great script.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by Kal Reeve

    I do not deny that The Dark Knight is a great film. But I maintain that is not a great SUPERHERO film. It lacked that essential larger-than-life moment to qualify as a great superhero film. And you can't appreciate where I'm coming from, TheLastCleric, and want to continue with your aggression, than have a ball and waste a perfectly good Saturday.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    damage_inc

    by Shadow Warrior

    unlike the mention of cats by fox, when rachel mentions 'mask' it doesn't seem weird or out of place. btw, you don't always have to be an ass :-)

  • July 19, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    ooooh yeah.

    by theBigWasted

    i forgot to mention that rachel being saved scene. how does a fully suited up batman let the joker escape from the top of his own building, when he's right down there with rachel? does the joker somehow fly away like a little birdy? one would assume he'd have to take the elevator down and batman would be waiting. uh...anyone?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Damage_Inc

    I was just joking. That drunken speech was something I never thought about before, but I think you're right.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    theBigWasted

    by Damage_Inc

    Yeah, no shit. I never gave any thought to that either. Major plot hole.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah,

    by Damage_Inc

    parts of TDK seemed like it had been cut all to shit.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    KalReeve

    by AreYouNotEntertained

    I understand what some of you mean when you say this isn't a great "superhero" movie. Take away the colorful costumes and it's more like James Bond. But then I like Batman more when he's not over the top.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I hope they Hulk it

    by Damage_Inc

    And give us like 60 or 70 more minutes of additional footage on DVD.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    would love to hear some feedback on my larger post above.

    by theBigWasted

    myself, my brother and a few friends all went to the midnight screening on thurs. we all left separately and didn't meet again until last night. all of us pretty much agreed on the flaws of the film yet i haven't seen many of them addressed at all in reviews on this or any other site. what do you guys think? is this a case of us being film school snobs or do any of you agree? like i said, my opinions are listed already in posts above. i don't want to be annoying by posting them again. i hadn't looked forward to a movie with that much anticipation in quite awhile. i've seen tons of midnight and special screenings in my life and never had an experience like the one on thurs night with hundreds of people lining up outside the theatre. all the showings were sold out. there was something special in the air, like i said the joker moments were a once in a lifetime experience but the rest...meh. was just hoping for something truly special throughout. that is all.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Dwight Yoakam for next Joker

    by hallmitchell

    One thing I didn't get. Why did they get on the boats for ?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Regarding the new mask construction

    by Bricktops hammer

    Why would you make a mask that doesn't let you turn your head in the first place?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    911 Overtones - stacks of them

    by hallmitchell

    Joker is Abu Musab Al - Zarqawi. The Terrorists Terrorist.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Robin could work (spoilers)

    by datoole083

    I think if Nolan plays up the whole batman inspiring other citizens to be heroes ..dick grayson parents are murdered and he makes a costume deciding to fight crime on his own w/o bat mans experience..and bats tries to dissuade him from being a hero but sees so much of himself in this young man that is confused and angry..it could create great conflict

  • July 19, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    unknown user

    by theBigWasted

    i'm not trying to find faults. my brain can't help but mull over huge plot holes. one of the downfalls of going to film school and working on scripts/critiquing them is that movies have to be pretty airtight for me to enjoy them. of course it depends on the film. if the filmmaker is trying to present to us a world full of "realism" as nolan is doing in dark knight, then they are held up to a different standard i suppose. and i'm sorry i don't think the joker stole bruce wayne's helicopter though i appreciate the try.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I would call The Dark Knight...

    by Kal Reeve

    An excellent crime film that explores the struggle between Gotham's law enforcement, its underworld and the grays in between. But this is not a great Batman film, or a great superhero film. In fact, I would say Batman is almost a secondary character.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    "knife in spawns mouth"

    by Shadow Warrior

    LOL. didn't even to bother type the actor's name, i think it's michael jai white. it's pg13, so we can't have blood and gore. If they showed those it would be r rated, and that's not acceptable to warner bros in a batman movie. it's a given. i read somewhere that when nolan was given free reign for bb, the only conditions given by warner bros was that it should be pg13, should have a female lead (probably for the female audiences to relate to), and something else, i forgot. besides, if there's a guy who could make the darkest pg13 and push its limits, that would be nolan. prestige was pretty dark. nolan gets away with it because he focuses on dark themes and moods and doesn't rely on blood, gore, or profanity, which are what the ratings board looks out for. But i would've preferred to see a bloodied joker after bats beats him in the interrogation room, something like in fight club, where tyler laughs while he's all bloody and being beaten up. that wudv been cool.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    theBigWasted

    by Damage_Inc

    I would have to agree with just about everything you said. You made so many points, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling there are unused scenes of Heath...

    by BillEmic

    ...that Nolan and co. are possibly saving for Part 3 - probably one scene or two that show Joker in Arkham. It seemed abrupt that the last time we see Joker is hanging upside-down. Other than that, I do NOT want to see anyone recast as Joker. Heath was note-perfect, there's no need for anyone else to try and fill his shoes. I'd definitely like to see Catwoman in 3. I love Michelle in Batman Returns - she basically put me through puberty with that role - but the character has too much potential not to revisit; and let's face it, she's the only true possible love interest for Batman.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    The Joker did kinda win at the end (spoilers)

    by Magic Rat

    Dent died (I think). Batman is now the villian, hunted by the cops and has to be Batman forever (not to mention unappreciated). <br> While the Joker, presumably, gets to plot more evil from inside the assylum. <br> Really, what didn't the Joker win here?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Kal Reeve

    by Damage_Inc

    I think that's about the perfect way to put it.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    as for the next villian

    by Magic Rat

    I hope it's not the penguin or catwoman. those are lame. The only one who could be decent is the Riddler, but they have to find somebody scary to play him. <br> <br> You know who would be good? <br> <br> Elijah Wood. I think he could be a Riddler that would rival Ledger's Joker.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The Joker was the devil

    by BillEmic

    He was a master manipulator - the prince of lies. What a brilliant take on the character. The Nolans deserve as much credit for the excellent dialogue they gave him. A few nitpicks: Bale's Batman voice is so silly it sometimes takes you out of the movie; and his suit has never looked as good as in Burton's films, even if he couldn't move his neck at all. Two-Face's story did feel a little rushed by the end, and I found it hard to believe that he'd go after Gordon's *family*. Other than that, this film was nearly perfect. It was immensely entertaining and deadly serious, just what I want from a Batman flick.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    good job UnknownUser!

    by Shadow Warrior

    thank you for that. joker could very well have escaped using a rip line (didnt know thats what its called) or some other way, he's too smart to not have some escape plans. maybe he even rappelled (sp?) down the bldg or something. hallmitchell, they got on the boats coz the joker scared them into leaving gotham during the broadcast on tv (it was the bar scene in the daytime packed with people watching tv), and i think he mentions that they shouldnt use a certain road or something, leaving the ferries the only option out of the city. Bricktops hammer, the head-turning thing was supposed to be an in-joke i think, referring to the previous cowls. obviously the one in bb was supposed to be able to make him turn his head (fictionally / in the movie), even though in real life bale couldn't.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Why so Sirius.......

    by GavinVanDraven

    Commissioner? I thank you.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I think we've established....

    by Damage_Inc

    That if we see the Riddler, it will be that Reese dude.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by Damage_Inc

    I think that's what the cat thing was too, an in joke.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Ledger Levitt Gyllenhaal

    by SnootyBoots

    Happened to turn the TV on the other day right in the middle of a scene between Ledger and Levitt from a movie called (I reckon) 10 THINGS I HATE ABOUT HER and I thought, "Wow. Those two look a lot alike." Worked as an extra on TDK in the funeral scene and in person I found Maggie Gyllenhaal quite a lovely sight to see.

  • July 19, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    am I the only one who thinks Elijah Wood would make a good villi

    by Magic Rat

    I mean, did you see how creepy he was in Sin City?

  • July 19, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    villian

    by Magic Rat

    ugh...dang. <br> <br> Elijah Wood for Riddler!

  • July 19, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Next villain is...

    by billis3811

    MAN-BEAR-PIG!!!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Bigwasted

    by AntoniusBloc

    Thoughtful observations, I loved the film, but far from perfect, and I agree with the lack of chemistry with Dawes and other characters, she was a weak character overrall. I thought Ledger was great, but brilliant? Some gushing going on there. Eckheart was just as good, as well as Oldman and Bale. If I had a disappointment, more Batman. Bale had little to work with, but so many characters. It's like this was a set up for another film that focuses on a Batman or Dark Knight with focus, and knows now his mission. He is willing to make the sacrifice. I wish they had brought some references from the first film, to his father, but in some way bring some focus back to Wayne's character. But yes, better chemistry with Dawes would have helped. I agree Two Face's turn seemed a bit rushed, but looking back, it was foreshadowed, not just with his willingness to kill mobsters, but his reliance on himself, on his strength, and as you put it, his rationality. He makes his own luck. Joker, during Den't traumatic state, points out the flaw of the foundation of Dent's philosophy. He points out Dent doesn't really have control, and the coin symbollically confirms it. Dent despairs. He gives up hope, and as has happened to many pure rationalists, lost his sanity. Without a higher ideal, it has led that way to the most logical philosophers in history. But it worked to set up Batman's great sacrifice at the end, and what great performances by Bale and Oldman in this final scenes, as was the final scene in Batman Begins, and great writing. Batman was not focused on as much as villains, but he does turn out to be a true hero, who, unlike Dent, does not lose hope, and is willing to sacrifice himself to confirm his faith. I think the film could have benefited with some escapism, more romanticism. I didn't like the idea of home base being a penthouse. A partially built batcave would have created a better mood. and, why not just choreagraph a good fight scene or two, and cut down on the high speed chases. But overrall, and compared to other crap out there, great film.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Well boys....

    by Damage_Inc

    I'm outta here. I've decided that the Joker is right and "The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules." Check out the list of movies on the left. http://joox.net/. Later. *Piracy, it's a crime*

  • July 19, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Magicrat

    by AntoniusBloc

    Joker didn't win in the Ferry scene, at least his philophy didn't win. Strategically, he does distract Batman. But, Joke would have won if Batman was unwilling to make the sacrifice at the end. In the eyes of the public, he's the bad guy. In truth, he is still the good guy, and allows him to be a more powerful ally on the side of good, kind of levels him with the power they were describing Joker had throughout the film: no rules. But as I posted above, although Dent falls, a higher ideal wins, Batman and Gordon do not lose faith in what Dent originally preached, otherwise they wouldn't have been willing to hide what truly happened with Dent. Dent's ideal didn't fail, Dent did. The ideal is now represented in the Dark Knight. Joker loses.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Y'know, I could actually see Elijah Wood as The Riddler

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...like some super-genius Arkham escapee who wants to match wits with the Dark Knight for the pure challenge, like a chess match. Meanwhile, Bats is busy chasing Cat tail around Gotham...

  • July 19, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Flaws

    by shitstorm23

    Yes, the ferry scene was weak. I think they should have touched on the criminal boat also being filled with at least half of gotham's finest and correction officers, so it's not literally a boat full of assholes. The whole voting part should have been cut and it should have been more of a mystery to us what was going on in the boats. I can only watch Deebo in friday. <p> I don't get why so many people have a problem with Joker getting out of the apartment. How the fuck did he get in?? POLICE ESCORT. Did we really need another scene showing the cops walking him out? <p> I don't believe Two Face is dead, I'm on the "he's locked away in a basement at arkham" crowd. <p> I can buy the whole cell phone thing, I'm not a fucking scientist though, so forgive me. I have watched Mythbusters though, and they proved the whole grappling/climbing gun cannot work with current technology. So, if you're willing to buy into that, why not buy the cell phone thing?

  • July 19, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    The great, the good, the bad & the ugly...

    by Soulpt

    Overall: Absolutely loved it! An absolute ton of great things happened so I give it an overall A- as I do have some real reservations. The Great: Ledger’s Joker could not have been done better, interwoven story/script is beautifully done w/ real character development, Harvey/2Face character evolution, & the tragedy & struggles of Batman/Bruce Wayne losing people close to him w/ the world spiraling out of control. This movie pushed buttons inside of me making the Joker a real character who is feared, hated and respected all at once. Bat-vision goggles + Sonar = Sweet!! The Good: Wayne Enterprises being used as a technology & business wing for his Batman escapades. Was never a fan of the Tumbler so I am glad they will have to replace it and hopefully w/ something more traditional. The bat-pod was awesome and that little pod/trailer flip trick could not have been cooler. The Bad: Oddly enough not enough CGI where it could have been well placed. Too many action related sequences during the day (hospital explosion, Dent-Maroni in car etc). No mention of Arkham, the narrows, or the rail system to differentiate it from Chicago itself or make it feel like the same city from BB. The action sequences were better but still a bit tight…overall a big improvement from BB but could be better in this regard. No Wayne Manor, no Batcave, The Ugly: The bat suit…clunky, jointed, & needs to be darker. Minus the nipples the BF suit was the best. Simply making a suit out of an advanced material developed @ Wayne Enterprises will account for it being dog/bullet/cat proof etc. No need for armor IMHO. Also, a reality based Batman will always face the dilemma of moving the character forward in a world where a well placed road block could expose his identity & end his career in crime fighting. Not to mention that the villains in Batman who dress up i.e. Catwoman will have a hard time working here seemingly limited the stories told and choices made of who makes the cut. In this reality there will be no Bat-Wing as far as I can see and to me that’s just not right. The Future: Very hard to see who they will integrate into Nolan’s reality. I humbly predict the Penguin as a rich business man who attacks Wayne Enterprises and a story line evolving from this point forward. Personally would like to see Bane as Batman needs a nemesis who can confront him physically. I do however foresee the Joker being recast and him having had a plot to escape from Arkham where he most certainly will wind up. 2Face will be back too in some form as I don’t believe he’s dead but rather locked up in a private facility owned by Wayne where he is just stewing to get revenge.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Soulpt re: Catwoman

    by Chishu_Ryu

    So Catwoman won't work because she's a villain who has to dress up? So is Batman the only in this world who is allowed to run around in a dorky black creature-inspired suit?

  • July 19, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    I think Catwoman would work

    by BillEmic

    She's a 'professional' cat burglar dressed in all black - not necessarily a latex suit, just something sleek and black. And then all she needs is something to conceal her identity - maybe a Robin-style mask? Nah, that would probably just lead to some Freudian-style awkwardness for fanboys. Whoever suggested Riddler + Catwoman for the next film, with Riddler an escaped Arkham inmate who wants to play a deadly game of chess with Batman, while Bats is off chasing Cat tail...that sounds brilliant. Bravo.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Would love to see Two Face back.

    by mrfan

  • July 19, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Was anyone else dissappointed that there was no Joker gas????

    by The Dum Guy

    I thought that we'd get to see some, esp. in the beginning where the Joker puts the gas grenade in mouth of the bank manager.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    the maroni interrogation was kickass

    by Shadow Warrior

    i liked the flass interrogation in BB but the one in tdk was just kickass brutal. Btw, where the hell was Flass? he was an ok character. and nolan should have at least shown a glimpse of the railway system. the narrows and arkham and wayne manor were understandable coz they werent part of the story, but the railway system is in the middle of the city.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior

    by The Dum Guy

    Maybe they didn't bother rebuilding the monorail, since it was crappy (over twenty years old) and alot of it got blown up.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I missed the Batcave.

    by TylerDurden3395

    But I guess the Bat Condo was OK...

  • July 19, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    TDK and Superman 78

    by Prossor

    are probably the only two great comic book movies, the rest feel like jokes in comparison now.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I'm glad a lot of people are seeing faults in TDK

    by TylerDurden3395

    I posted first about it not being a perfect movie and got nothing but shit for it. Luckily a good chunk of you feel the same way as I do. Still a good flick, would've been perfect if Nolan ended things with the birth of Two Face and the hospital blowing up.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Anthony Michael Hall

    by hulkbuster

    am i the only one who thinks he might be clayface. He is a better actor than a bitpart would warrent. so are they setting him up for a part in a sequel? Clayface was an actor AMH was a tv personality. Am i alone here?

  • July 19, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Prossor

    by Shadow Warrior

    you forgot batman begins. unless you intentionally left it out, in which case i disagree. id say batman begins is the best comic book movie and tdk is one of the best movies ever.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    2008 Comic Book Movie Scorecard

    by TylerDurden3395

    Incredible Hulk: A Iron Man: A The Dark Knight: B+ Wanted: B Hellboy 2: B

  • July 19, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    TylerDurden3395

    by Shadow Warrior

    i don't think any movie can be "perfect" perfect. I absolutely love BB and TDK but I can find faults and nitpick a few things. No matter how much i love a movie, actor, or director, i can always nitpick for fun but it doesnt make me love it any less.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    In my YEARS as a talkbacker, I've never said this of a genre fil

    by IndustryKiller!

    Fucking masterpiece. I think we can say, INARGUABLY, that more than any other sequel in history this one is most obviously better than it's predecessor. now that's not cheapening Empire Strikes Back and the Godfather Part II, which are still both better films than TDK, but as far as a jump in quality over it's predecessor this is ridiculous. I don't think it can even be questioned that it's the best superhero film of all time or that Ledger gives one of the most incredible villain turns in fim history. I really don't get that people didn't see how much better the action was directed in this. With the exception of maybe the final sequence in the mid construction high rise I never once had trouble discerning what was happening in front of me. I would compare the transition to Paul Greengrasses improvement in Bourne Ultimatum over his mediocre camera in Supremecy. I feel the same exact way about TDK over Begins. There just was not a single thing that Nolan didn't improve. The feel of Gotham City (although I hope he goes even further with it's personality next time), the villains, Batmans actual detective work, all perfect. I think Nolan has dropped the gauntlet for superhero films in two distinct ways. First of all his handling of the villains, which arent just limited to some scheme of the week horseshit. Never again can they pull some "Magneto Mutant Device" or "Doc Ock building a silly machine" crap. By figuring out who these villains are and what they are fundamentaly after he's totally banished these lesser interpretations and actually given life to villains who have motivations to appear in future films. Secondly is the script, a problem most superhero scripts have is balancing all the characters who need to appear to appease fans. Nolan, who proved that most of the problem with Begins was the horrible David Goyer, does alot of plate spinning never letting any character peter out without getting their moment to shine. Forget the Raimi's, Singers, Steven Johnsons *shudders*, or Tim Story's of the world even exist, and good riddance to them.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Shadow Warrior: 5 "Perfect" Perfect Movies

    by TylerDurden3395

    Psycho, Citizen Kane, Jaws, Carpenter's Thing, Road Warrior, just off the top of my head... I know what you mean, and the first two hours WERE perfect, but the ferry scene just brought the movie to a screeching halt and the Venomfication of Two Face certainly didn't help.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    my scorecard would be:

    by Shadow Warrior

    Incredible Hulk: A- Iron Man: B+ The Dark Knight: A+ Wanted & Hellboy 2: Don't care

  • July 19, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    It's just made No. 1 on the IMDb.Top 250.

    by C Legion

    I don't see it staying there for long, but I can't remember the last film that took the top spot by such a large margin.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Rambo is STILL the best movie of the year

    by TylerDurden3395

    .

  • July 19, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Trilogy talk...

    by snitchseeker

    Nolan has said several times that he's not even sure if he's going to do a third. He's said stuff like the third is never as good. Oldman tried to get out of even doing a second one. Only Bale is totally on board for a 3rd.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Saying Two Face was Venomified is incredibly unfair

    by IndustryKiller!

    First of all half of what made the Venom thing suck was how horribly miscast Topher Grace was and how he turned Eddie Brock into a smug used car salesman. Harvey Dent was played BRILLIANTLY by Aaron Eckhart and cast perfectly. Moreover his place in the story was as solid and necessary as any other character. The only thinkg wrong with Two Face is him going after Gordons family did feel a bit forced. If anything he should have gone after Batman, it would have made a hell of a lot more sense given how the only reason he was there in the first place was because of his unshakable trust in Batman. It also gives him further motivation to enter the catalogue of Batmans rogues gallery as a staple.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    No. 1 on IMDB Top 250

    by Shadow Warrior

    ho.ly.shit. first time i checked it was number 4, this morning 3, and now 1. goddamn this movie's on fire. NOLAN IS A GOD DIRECTOR! even if it's a temporary thing thats still pretty fucking amazing. goddamn im so happy for nolan, bale, and co.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    favorite Joker line from TDK?

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    you have nothing to threaten me with.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by crazybubba

    I gotta disagree with once again. TDK clearly represented man's existential struggle to find meaning. The Joker represented chaos and nihilism while Batman represented order, hope and personal responsibility and yet they were still two sides of the same coin kind of like two-face. Two obsessive neutrotics probably shaped by one significant event in their lives.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Industry Killer...

    by TylerDurden3395

    I admit that TDK was more nuanced than SM3, but the character of Eddie Brock was established well (even if it wasn't EXACTLY like the comics) and you can't tell me that the church scene by itself wasn't great. The final 20 min. of Two Face's revenge felt rushed and wasn't in tune with the methodically paced first two hours or so, exactly like Raimi's movie where Venom just became a tag team wrestler. Also what cheesed me off the most was that Two Face a completely one dimensional character. I mean he's TWO Face for fuck's sakes, it should at the very least be TWO dimensional. He wasn't torn between his "good" half or "bad" half, he just flipped a coin and that was that...

  • July 19, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Superhero/comic burnout...

    by SnakePlissken711

    I am burned out on sueprhero/comic book movies. It's just getting to the point where they are way too much. They are over-produced and under-scripted with loads of implausibilities (and yes, I know that comic books are supposed to be implausible -- but to a certain extent.) THE DARK KNIGHT is a good film but has several flaws which most of the TBers seem to be overlooking. Is it my imagination or did they try to jam pack enough plot for 3 movies into one? You have at least six different storylines converging at once and not enough time to flesh all of it out. I see that as bombastic and impossible. The tone of the movie, like BATMAN BEGINS is right on the money -- the music, cinematography and production design are all top notch. The actors are all good and Ledger's Joker buries the Nicholson version. But did anyone stop to say, how did Bruce Wayne create a device with 300 screens that can tap into 30 million cell phones and still have the time to lead a dual lifestyle? Billions of dollars does not create billions of minutes -- and if he has so much money why not buy the entire city and start from scratch if he wants to save it so bad? It seems like he is trying to do the same thing in a much harder way. The movie goes on for far too long (at least 40 minutes could have been cut and perhaps three plotlines). This is not great filmmaking -- this is geek filmmaking and the geeks are going to love it. I cannot say I wasn't entertained, but I think superhero/comic films are gonna hit a wall now. It's just too much already. It's time to get back to basics. There is no excuse for movies having to cost this much in order to thrill audiences and make gobs of money back. People are going to probably hate me for my opinion here but I just think 5 mega-superhero movies in less that three months is overkill. THE DARK KNIGHT is gonna make a weekend and daily records, but will it last? Best picture, come on people, even JAWS didn't win best picture and that's as damn near perfect as a movie can get.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    ON MY WAY TO SEE THIS AGAIN

    by BrightEyes

    AND I CANT WAIT. TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THIS MOVIE. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Should have read: Two Face WAS a ...

    by TylerDurden3395

    completely one dimensional character

  • July 19, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    the movie...

    by snitchseeker

    could have been longer. I want 3 hours!!!!!!!!

  • July 19, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Snitchseeker

    by TylerDurden3395

    I agree. If the last third of the film had been fully fleshed out, it would've worked, but everything past the ferry scene felt like it was crammed in there and lacked the polish of the first two hours.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    TylerDurden...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Hey man... THANK YOU. I couldn't agree more. While all the hype surrounding TDK had already rendered it completely impossible for it to live up to my expectations, Rambo slipped right in under the radar and Stallone gave us a movie that achieved a level of meaning and seriousness and realism no Rambo film had quite been able to accomplish. Don't get me wrong. TDK was a very good comic book flick. But for christ's sake, cut the bullshit. The only thing that lived up to the hype - and goddamn did it ever live up to it - was Ledger's performance. Without it, it'd just have been another Batman movie. It did raise the bar.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight is the best Superhero movie ever made...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...and the best movie (so far) of 2008. As far as I am concerned, Heath Ledger's Joker cannot be replaced. He was that good. The next Batman movie will have Catwoman in it. There is no doubt about it. Aaron Eckhart would be the prefect Captain America. I am sure some asshole agent or studio-head in Hollywood is working on it as I type. We will see an Avengers movie before a Justice eague movie...who will play Wonder Woman...etc...

  • July 19, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The Chinese guy was on TOP of the burning pile of money!!!

    by Mrhazard

    It took me two viewings to realize this... I musta blinked the first time when they showed him sitting on top of it... Joker goes into his rant and lights it on fire... They dont show it but he burns him ALIVE... Good lord, I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! Easily the most violent PG-13 movie ever...

  • July 19, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    This movie sucked

    by geraldbeans

    Too many characters. Too long. Too muddied. Too many people we didn't care about getting too much screen time. Who cares about Harvey Dent anyway? What a bland character. I actually fell asleep at the 90 minute mark in this movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    laser pants - gratuitous violence is easy....

    by crankyoldguy

    Laser Pants said:"I wish this movie got an R, even hard-R, because I really wanted to see The Joker graphically mutilate the various people he murdered. The part where he goes on about the "why so serious?" especially, where he has his knife in the guys mouth."**** What are you, 14, 15? You're missing the entire big-shebang brilliance of the film. then. Violence is scarier, more intimidating, when implied, from NOT showing all that graphic crap, which any idiot in horror films can and does do all the time, which make them into...cartoons, pandering puss-product. This is in an entirely different class of filmmaking. You want that other stuff, go see Rob Zombie's movies or something like that. I'd say junk like the 'Saw' movies, too, but they look like moron fodder, so I'll never get near them.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    TDK raised my kids, paid for their college,

    by Wed Vid Guy

    ....and gave them a nice trust fund so they'd never have to work a day in their lives. That's how good this movie was.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    When geeks attack

    by crazybubba

    I love it when fanboys slam each other in talkbacks.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    hilarious...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Though I don't agree, geraldbeans, I have to admit I love finally seeing an extreme negative opinion on the movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Tyler Durden, to say that Brock is as well done as Dent

    by IndustryKiller!

    is absolute insanity. Eddie Brocks existence was established sure, but he was nothing more than a comic bookey two dimensional used car salesman of a character. Eckharts portrayal of Dent would be award winning in a perfect world. And because of that his fall and rebirth as a villain is far less interesting and nuanced as Dents. He didn't have ALOT to do as Two Face but what was there was wrapped up and established nicely in the arc of the story itself. Do I think it's perfect? No. I would say it is a bit quick but not necessarily rushed. It feels a fuckload more organic and earned than anything in SM3, which is almost as bad as batman and Robin as a film. With that said I hope to god the character isn't really dead because that would be a complete waste.

  • July 19, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Departed was R...

    by snitchseeker

    would have made it a better movie

  • July 19, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    The main problem with the fucking movie...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Has little to do with the movie itself, and more to do with the hype surrounding it. You got guys on here saying shit that would make a sailor blush... "This movie gently, lovingly dicked my soft taint and then chili dogged my massive man-tits..." etc, etc, etc. I mean, do you even want to fucking know someone who says things like that? Not only is it unnecessarily vulgar, unfunny, and stupid, it actually subtracted a lot of percentage points from my enjoyment of the flick

  • July 19, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    We'll get an R-rated Batman, in maybe 20 years...

    by The Dum Guy

    I want to see a horror film with Batman, ala Killer Croc going canabalistic on innocent civilians while Man-Bat is feeding on criminals. And, maybe throw in the Scarecrow for good measure.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Industry Killer...

    by TylerDurden3395

    Brock was a secondary character. Dent was a major mover and shaker in the plot. That's why it makes me pissed off. Brock was a second string character who became a major villain. Dent is a major character who became a second string villain. Dent is essentially the "soul" of the movie. By not fully developing his turn to evil and having him reduced to a one dimensional villain, Nolan dropped the ball big time.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by snitchseeker

    After Zodiac...crime drama, that'd be awesome

  • July 19, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    "Insanity is like gravity... All you need is a little push..."

    by Mrhazard

  • July 19, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Replacement Joker is

    by GopherTrace

    Joseph Gordon Levitt

  • July 19, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Departed was R for not just the violence, but...

    by crankyoldguy

    ....the language; lots of fucks, etc. Does R make a better movie? Depends. In his case, I say no. What, so the Joker can say fuck and you can see a hood's brainpan skewered by a writing implement. This is adolescent talk, truly. And I liked (well, better to say was engaged by) the Departed, by the way. I just don't think an R-rating with material such as more graphic scenes and loads of expletives would make this film a better film

  • July 19, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu @ Soulpt re: Catwoman

    by Soulpt

    Mmmm hmmm...so much for this realism thing, right? Thanks for making my point that this particular incarnation of Batman makes *HIM* and anyone else in costume seem a bit out of place. All I am saying is that it creates a bit of a dilemma and will eventually require that the viewer further suspend reality and in some ways it will feel more "campy". This is innevitable. I continue to be amused as to how many "dorky" things ppl who love the "realism" of BB/TDK are willing to accept. Thanks for helping me make the point...

  • July 19, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Crankyold guy

    by snitchseeker

    I think ur wrong.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns was the best so far...

    by darthwaz1

    there I said it, probably one of Tim Burton's best movies in general. Although I still have yet to see the "perfect" Batman film. ps - why can't they get Superman right??

  • July 19, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on who should be Catwoman

    by thevision

    Selina Kyle was always written as Batman's female equal- morally ambiguous thief- but his equal never the less. Therefore, you don't want to cast a young girl like Megan Fox but close to Christian Bales' age. The dream actress- to me at least- would be Angelina Jolie but I doubt she would do another role similar to her character in "Wanted." I think the underrated and overlooked Jolene Blalock would be a good choice- check out her mask scene in "Slow Burn."

  • July 19, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    The Progressive Batman...

    by micturatingbenjamin

    Hey, man. I didn't say go fuck your auntie to you. But yeah, I read your post. If we're supposed to be thinking here, let's think about the fucking founders idea of freedom and liberty, and, hey-hey, security.<p>'He who trades freedom for security is neither free nor secure.' - The Lefty Liberal, Benjamin Fucking Franklin.<p>My point about your post was, that given its otherwise thoughtful approach, you were being a condescending prick. Like I give a rat's ballsack about what you think about my posts.<p>Nice, how you didn't mention how your whole 'This movie = 9/11 political bullshit' scenario falls apart when Batman doesn't give the Joker the fitting end the bastard deserves, eh? Yeah, I told you man, if it works, it works. But in real life, torture for pre-emptive means DOESN'T WORK. According to the CIA.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    One of the best movies in years

    by MattmanReturns

    Certainly the best superhero movie. I loved every minute of it. And it was actually very daring to NOT blow up one of the ferrys. I thought that would have been an easy (and predictable) choice for the filmmakers. I never expected the citizens (and the criminals, for that matter) to do the right thing... that really shocked me.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Batman Triumphant

    by WickedJester

    Why not steal the title from what would've been the 3rd (5th total) of Joel's 'nipple-disco'. Afterall, they did manage to beat everyone's expectations. <br><br> Regardless of that, it does fit in with the theme.. this would be his redemption movie. However, I doubt Redemption being in the title of any Batman movie. <br><br>Anyway, I see Catwoman coming next as both the female necessity and one of the villians. Sadly, it will have to be a Bruce falls for Selena, while Batman falls for Catwoman story because there really isn't many other ways to spin it. <br><br>The Riddler is the next choice for carrying villian, I think. Have some type of murder mystery with the Riddler to ultimately get the public back on his side. Which leads to the 4th movie, what happens when a public figure falls (again?) -- and introduces Bane.

  • July 19, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    And no my ? key isn't broken, lol.

    by WickedJester

  • July 19, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Easily, it had plot, character development, action! It was deep and complicated. It moved me to tears. Anyone else notice that sound that keeps getting louder as the Joker gets more and more demented? I was shocked and freaked out during this movie. The batcycle chase sequence is the best action scene in any movie this year! I had no idea, without spoiling here, that the batcycle came from there? Mindblowing moment!

  • July 19, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Returns is a clasic...

    by EastcoastAvenger

    And was apparently about twenty years before it's time. Some of it's themes would fit nicely into future instalments of these Batman movies. The idea of what it is like when the whole world starts becoming a very dark place and how that effects a city like Gotham would be interesting to see. I would then welcome (and go crazy to actually see it) a brief confrontation between Sups and Batman as they did in the graphic novel. I have to say that I would be fascinated to see Nolan write lines for Superman to speak on film. Just to see his take on the character.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Mohammed guy

    by FluffyUnbound

    "Seems to me that a lot of motherfuckers who view Playstations and Starbucks and abortions and Mapplethorpe art as "essential" liberties..." I can't think of a single state interest that would either justify, or require, restricting any of the things that you list. Not one. And by the way, Mohammed might have married a pre-teen, but Abraham [you know who Abraham is, right] owned slaves and raped them. And when one of his slaves ran away so she wouldn't get raped, Yahweh sent an angel to catch her and bring her back so Abraham could rape her. That's the Hebrew god and the Judeo-Christian moral code for ya right there.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by WetWired

    I'd love to see nolan's take on the catwoman. After watching the brave one last night I could really picture her as a victim of a savage rape or beating, taking matters into her own hands and executing her own style of vigilante justice throughout gotham. Killing criminals outright and actually cleaning up the city, gaining support from the citizens of Gotham while Batman is on the run and seen as the outcast. The underlying conflict inside bruce would be his temptation and seduction by the catwoman into that type of justice. Assuming he killed Two-Face, he would have gotten a taste of how easy it is to just eliminate a problem by kiling them and the always present love story between batman and catwoman would be more of a seduction into her ethics than a sexual or traditional love story. I think batman as a character wasn't as developed in TDK and there's no way they could top the epicness of it in another movie, I think doing it this way, a more personal story of conflict within batman himself would be the way to go.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    wiretapping, rendition, torture, etc...

    by antonphd

    the political themes are all over this film. the most interesting for me is the torture scenes... with regular criminals who just want what they don't want to work for, it works. but with the joker, the terrorist, he lied.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I like Catwoman

    by antonphd

    but Catwoman without a mask. she's just a thief who gets under batman's skin. maybe make her a thief who gives to charity or some shit... make her someone batman has trouble busting.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    You guys criticizing Harry...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    For not making a bunch of idiotic, crude gushy remarks involving sex acts about what this movie "did to him", are fucking idiots. Maybe Harry is being objective. Maybe, just maybe, he really didn't think it was all that. Maybe he actually saw the movie's many faults.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    TDK MADE BURTON GO BALD

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I'm seeing this again tomorrow, and for chrst sakes STOP referring to the Joker as "Joke" WTF? That makes my brain hurt. Exceptional film, best movie of the year.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    For the third film

    by caveman65

    they could have a popular guy (riddler/penguin) controlling some less popular characters in some grand scheme. That could give deadshot, black mask, zsaz, or any other minor bad guy a shot.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Chuck Norris should be...

    by mrfan

    the next villian for Batman.<p>Uh, nevermind. I forgot. Chuck cannot be beat.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    The next villain should be the Riddler

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    And I say that because he has been portrayed by all actors playing him as someone whose demeanor is similar to the Jokers derangement. It would allow the next film to keep the same vibe should they reinvent the Riddler as they did the Joker (visually, mostly). Of course he wouldn't wear a Matthew Lesko outfit and giggle constantly like an idiot. He would be a psychotic, sadistic fuck not unlike the joker who enjoys toying with law enforcement with brilliantly concocted puzzle-schemes that result in a lot of losses of life. Daniel Day-Lewis or Johnny Depp, accept no substitutes.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST

    ushers? they'd get shot

    by Orionsangels

  • July 19, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    One of the many things I liked was...

    by mrfan

    the short scene with Scarecrow. I hope that if a third movie is made that they include other villians in the same capacity. Short and sweet. You have to admit that Batman the comic has some cool villians but would translate not that well in the movies.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST

    The Riddler is gonna be more realistic & complex

    by Orionsangels

    That's how these new Batman movie operate. It's all about realism. The Riddler in Nolan's Batman is a puzzled man. His life has been an on going battle of solving riddles in order to escape the maze that is his life. He play board games as a kid. He got picked on by question marks as a kid.

  • July 19, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    SoylentMean - well put

    by wash

    It's annoying to see people play "let's pick out all the flaws" like they're some sort of transcendent movie critic that sees things the way they really are. Of course there's things that could have been done better, and some of those things are subjective. But the main thing here is this was one ambitious MF'ing flick, and the shit that works...IS SPECTACULAR. Plus Heath Ledger totally punked all the "OMFG IT NEEDS TO BE CRISPEN GLOVER" idiots in the worst way. He stole the role in a way that's going to put a damper on any further attempt at the character in the future.

  • July 19, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    ALEX DELARGE, Harry.

    by CZ

    The name of the character is ALEX DELARGE, or LITTLE ALEX. Not a big thing, but it bothered me.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    The cool thing about the Scarecrow part...

    by shitstorm23

    It SHOWED that crazies are taking over for the mob and gangbangers. Here's Jonathan Crane, former state psychologist who's now pushing laced dope on the streets. For no other reason than psychotic fun and a little scratch. People seem to think it was meaningless to have him, but there was a purpose. Batman is creating more problems than he can ever cure, but that will always escape him. Because he's fucking crazy himself. <p> This is why I think Two Face is alive. Batman thinks by keeping him alive and trying to help him, while portraying him as dead will help the city & Harvey, but if Two Face escapes it will cause even more chaos for Gotham.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I also think Two Face is still alive.

    by mrfan

    Would be great to see him face off again against Batman.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    One question to anyone:

    by mrfan

    What happened to the guy who worked for Wayne Enterprises that was going to tell the world who Batman is?

  • July 19, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Two-Face = Darth Maul?

    by Shadybombatic

    Here is hoping Two Face is not Darth Maul. Both kicked butt, yet we only got a small taste and then they were killed off. Let's hope Nolan didn't pull a Lucas, and brings back Two-Face. I don't think Nolan will revist Joker in the next film. He may have until the untimely death of Heath and no he needs a plan B. I don't think Two-Face can carry a file on his own so there needs to be another villian. Riddler would make sense but then we are back to Two-Face and Riddle ala Shumaker though it would be cool to see Nolan throttle Shuey with the same characters. I could see Catwoman since we need a new female lead, but on the heals of Batman Returns and Halle's Catwoman bomb, I am not sure we need another one. I hope Two-Face is back and I would love to see Riddler. Whatever happens I am sure Nolan will deliver a bad ass film.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    It was extremely obvious...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Two-face is fucking dead. Joker was intended to be the primary bad guy in the next one. Stop fantasizing.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell for Harley Quinn! She said she'd drop whatever

    by Pennsy

    she was doing if she was offered that role.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    It's a funny world we live in...

    by JackIsLost

    When this movie was being prepped, everyone was saying that no one could replace Jack Nicholson and dissed Heath Ledger as Nolan's choice for the role. With a third Nolan Batman movie maybe on the way, everyone is saying Ledger cannot be replaced. I am a bit divided on this... I think it would be interesting to have the Joker continue in the series but at the same time, it's hard to imagine anyone equaling Ledger. I am actually really pissed at Heath Ledger for ODing... and robbing of us such a great actor (yes, I'm selfish). It's pretty clear to me that Two Face is DEAD at the end and Nolan intended to bring back the Joker. What happens now is anyone's guess...

  • July 19, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Two face dead?

    by ebonic_plague

    If that's true (and it's not) then that was the single most underwhelming death scene in any comic book movie ever made. If you really believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Pennsy...

    by ebonic_plague

    She did? She'd be perfect for the role, don't get me wrong, but I didn't know she was so outspokenly Sean Young about it.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Nigga please. I don't care how underwhelming you thought it was, it was a death scene. And you could tell they tried to make it affecting. Stop being such a fucking geek.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    All the people who hate Batman's voice....

    by Imperium74

    Did you ever stop to think that his voice is just as much of a disguise as his mask? The only real flaw I spotted in the movie was didn't the mob bosses legs go CRUNCH when Batman dropped him off the building just to show him walking 20 minutes later? Other than that, DAMN EXCELLENT MOVIE! Ledger was incredible. No one can do The Joker now. He owns that role. I'm with Harry thinking Two-Face isn't dead and we will see him again. Don't even wanna speculate on the next movie though, this one is so fucking good, I doubt it can be topped. (Even if they brought in Superman to fight Batman) I think you are right NiceGuyEddie19. I think that the intention was for Two-Face to be dead and the Joker be in the next one. Things changed and now I can see them saying Dent lived.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Two Face is dead

    by snitchseeker

    Nolan, as of now, has no plans to make a third film. So, it's written open ended, but this could be the last one he does. He didn't write this as a trilogy, he wrote it as one really good movie. It rocks, and Two Face was open ended...but there's no plan, or hints like people are saying.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    I would love to see

    by kungfuhustler84

    the next one open up with Joker's trial where he is declared insane. Maybe Two Face could make his grand appearance in the opening by busting him out for some reason. Bruce Wayne is in the court's audience watching the trial so there is nothing he can do. What about Riddler and Joker competing to really get under Batman's skin?

  • July 19, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by ebonic_plague

    Please yoself. It was a red herring designed to fool chumps, chump. I guess we'll find out in part 3, but read between the lines a little bit. I bet you thought Gordon was really dead too.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Why are people hating on Batman Begins?

    by Tolkoto

    Yay Dark Knight and everything, but why is everyone suddenly shitting on Batman Begins. Harry makes Batman Begins out to be some sort of soulless vehicle for merchandise here, when his own review of the movie from 2005 was incredibly positive. What the hell? I thought everyone loved Batman Begins (deservedly so). What happened? The Dark Knight is great, but that doesn't mean we have to belittle Batman Begins' amazing achievments.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight did to Batman Begins...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...what X2 did to X-Men 1. It's not that Begins sucked, it's just not as good in comparison to Dark Knight. But it's still the (close) second best Batman movie put to film.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I actually prefer BATMAN BEGINS to THE DARK KNIGHT...

    by JackIsLost

    I guess I am in the minority on this (just as I think the first GODFATHER is far superior to PART II). I mean, TDK is great but for me, it lacks the clarity of theme that BB had... I know many enjoy the moral complexity, as do I, but I still think BB is a more cohesive film as whole... it has a beginning, middle and end. TDK, for all its strengths, is all middle...

  • July 19, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Bale is only doing a 3rd movie if Nolan is directing...

    by Mrhazard

    At least that's what he said... Still, there's no chance in hell the next one will be as good as this... They might as well just stop now (even tho they wont... too much MORE money to be made)...

  • July 19, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I don't know...

    by Tolkoto

    I don't have a problem with someone liking The Dark Knight more than Batman Begins, but unlike with Sipder-Man 1 and 2 and X-Men 1 and 2, I don't think the two are so far apart in terms of quality. I don't know, it'll be easier to put in perspective once the trilogy is finished.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    it's called a zip line actually

    by acebandage

    The way the Joker's henchmen got to the bank, it was a zip line, not a rip line...just so you know.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Btw, what's the retcon fanboy take on X-2?

    by BillEmic

    I haven't actually seen it since it first came out, but I remember walking out of X-2 and feeling like it was one of the best comic book movies ever made. Maybe I was still high off the adrenaline rush of seeing Wolvie in full 'beserker rage' mode when the government agents attacked the school; but I seem to remember the general consensus among fanboys was that it was indeed one of the best. Since there seems to be so much retroactive hate for Burton's Bat flicks now, I'm wondering: what's the retcon fanboy take on X-2? Do we all officially hate it now, or did X-Men 3 just suck so bad that we've been spurned by all things X? For what it's worth, here's my ranking for the best superhero flicks since 1998, in order of descending greatness: The Dark Knight, X-2, Spider-Man 1, and Iron Man.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Actually, I'm not a chump, I'm a realist. You said without realizing it that Nolan did a piss poor job on Harvey Dent's death scene, and that the creators are idiots for killing off Two-face. But you said it, nonetheless. You, sir, are an incurable mark and a geek of the highest order.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Will there a 3rd Film?

    by Shadybombatic

    As MrHazard said, Bale will only do it if Nolan does, but I believe all the major players are signed o for 3 films. So I expect 1 more and then they all bale (pun intended). However, it is possible Bale signed on for the Terminator trilogy knowing that TDK was his last Batman flick. Here is hoping Nolan and Bale do one more, because if they don't, with the amount of $$$ this movie is bringing in Warner Bros. will do another Batman with or without Nolan and Bale and we'll get stuck with a 2nd rate director and actor.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I hated Batman begins

    by snitchseeker

    i thought it was self important, the action sucked, the villians were boring as hell, the train thing stupid. i hated it the first time i saw it though, not after i saw dark knight...which i love.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I thought

    by acebandage

    Dark Knight was the second best Batman film ever!

  • July 19, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I think Ledger's Joker...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...gives the edge to Dark Knight. Half of a good superhero story is the villain, and the Ra's/Scarecrow team up just wasn't as good as Two Face/Joker. Also, I don't think I have to convince anyone that Gyllenhaal was better than Mrs. Xenu. Everything else is just the added experience of having an established universe in which to play with the characters, and being able to learn from the mistakes of the first movie. I think the Empire Strikes Back comparisons are the most apt, since that was basically the same kind of "all middle" story with the dark ending. But ESB being so good doesn't detract from ANH, it just built on it.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    R'as al Ghul was a great villain...

    by JackIsLost

    although he doesn't really show up until the end but I find his reasoning fascinating in that it is generally how people justify their evil deeds (they think they're doing good) and the conversation between he and Wayne before the mansion is burned down is a fantastic scene. BEGINS is a more philosophical and heady film than TDK... I think it's reasonable that someone could like one but the other, hate both or love both. The villains of BEGINS don't get enough credit... as Roger Ebert said, there is "a whole population of villains" in BEGINS. I particularly loved the bad cop partner of Gordon (don't know the actor's name, sorry)...he was great and no one even mentions him in discussion of the film. Oh, well.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Oh, fuck off, NiceGuyEddie

    by ebonic_plague

    Two face isn't dead, I never said he was, we're all fucking geeks here the only difference is some of us can read between the lines. Ok, NOW fuck off.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Musical score

    by JamesT

    I can't believe nobody is mentioning how much better the score to this movie is compared to Begins. It really sets the tone for the entire movie.

  • July 19, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Did anyone

    by snitchseeker

    actually like X-1? Marvel has some shit movies out there.

  • July 19, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    preposterous villains...

    by vicious_bastard

    ...will doom the third movie. Franchise over - again.

  • July 19, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Look man....

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Two Face is dead, Heath Ledger is dead, and yeah, ok... Everybody here is a geek. But if any of you think that Nolan doesn't intend to make a third one after all this money coming his way, the studio's way, that it wasn't planned that way from the beginning and that Ledger's death complicates matters, well, I'm sorry, but you're fucked in the head.

  • July 19, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins gets better with every viewing...

    by Mrhazard

    but TDK is far superior... More dramatic, darker, more violent, tragic, better action, etc... And seriously, the greatest scene of ANY Batman/superhero movie HAS to be the Joker interrogation sequence... That and the hospital bombing scene... And the pencil trick... The fact that they kill the romantic lead... The scene where Two-Face is threatening Gordon's family with a gun telling him to lie to his wife and child and tell them everything is going to be alright when it's not... You just don't see this type of disturbing violence in PG-13 movies!!! Sorry, I just dont see how Batman Begins is better than this...

  • July 19, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Great Story!

    by DoctorWho?

    This was VERY well written. Props to nolan and his brother. You can usually figure out how a movie is going to end, who will get saved and how. Usually pretty black and white. LOTS of s