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Now We Know How TERMINATOR SALVATION Is Dealing With The Arnold Issue...

Published at: July 17, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST by Moriarty

Merrick here...
One of the biggest questions swirling around TERMINATOR SALVATION (other than "Is McG up to the job?" and "Why McG?") has been: how are they going to deal with T-800 character Arnold portrayed in the first three films? Would he/it appear at all? If so, would he/it be a CGI Arnold, an actual cameo by Arnold himself, or...what? Now we have that answer, thanks to an article published yesterday in the Clinton News Record. Seems the role has been recast & will be assumed by another Austrian bodybuilder named Roland Kickinger.

Kickinger has numerous credits under his belt (ranging from LETHAL WEAPON 4 to HOME IMPROVEMENT to...believe it or not..TEAM KNIGHT RIDER) and once trained with Schwarzenegger - even playing him in a recent A&E biopic.
SPOILERS BELOW!!!
This month, however, Kickinger begins filming what is likely the role of his life to date, as his portion of Terminator Salvation begins to take shape. “There’s a very strong scene in the film where John Connor for the first time meets the Terminator, and he doesn’t know if he’s a good guy or a bad guy,” said Kickinger. “It’s Arnold’s character in the first Terminator. That’s basically my role, but 20 years before, so it establishes how the Terminator [came] about.”
...says the Clinton News Record piece, which you can find HERE. We've heard off again/on again indications that Kickinger might/would assume Arnold's role for the last few weeks, but to the best of my knowledge this is the closest thing to an official confirmation we've received to date. You can find Roland's official website HERE Tanks to The Pezzinator for pointing us towards this.

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  • July 17, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Let me be the FIRST! person to say...

    by ScoobySnack

    I want to see him naked.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Fine...

    by vanchimera

    I'd rather that than a poorly made CG Arnold... and I'd prefer that much more than seeing Arnold himself... because no amount of makeup's going to make him look like he did back then. I've got apprehensive faith in this one.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    OH FUCK! They cloned ARNOLD!!!!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Gott in HIMMELL Boys from Brazil is TRUE!!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    ugh

    by RICH2

    that sucks. in that A&E movie he had excessive gynomastasia. in other words he had bitch tits. hope he took care of them.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Son of the Beach

    by ciroslive

    This guy was awesome on Son of the Beach. Is he doing his own voice or is Arnold going to dub it? They should probably have Roland do it to save money...

  • July 17, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    hmmm

    by Bouncy X

    well he has a similar mouth so with the glasses and all it would work, of course this is before he's sent through time so we'll see his face. but as far as look-a-likes go....not bad.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    My Number one question

    by Jason B. Swaim

    is this. Are the Moriarty-supplied spoiler-rumors still coming to fruition or did a MASSIVE rewrite occur? Please let it be the latter.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    but does he have the funny accent? =0p

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    gotta do the accent. if it's a straight southern-California voice I'm not buying it!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    its that nazi gladiator

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    hitler would be proud. his dream lives on

  • July 17, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    IMDB confirms Roalnd as the T-800...here's his bio.. =0)

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Roland was born on March 30, 1968 in Vienna, Austria. He spent his childhood in Vienna, where he enjoyed swimming and playing soccer. At the early age of 15 decided he wanted to become a bodybuilder. From that day on, Roland dedicated his life to becoming his very best. While training, Roland continued schooling and graduated from college with a degree in Hotel and Restaurant Management. Roland went on to compete in the European National Bodybuilding Championshipsand won the title of 'Mr. Austria'. But he knew his dream of becoming a well-known bodybuilder could not be fully attained by staying in his homeland. In 1995, Roland came to the U.S. to pursue a better life with greater opportunity. Arriving with only $500 and no place to stay, he never gave up his dreams. After a few short visits to California, and a one year stay in Florida, Roland decided to make the United States his home permanently. The following year all the hard work paid off when he joined the Professional ranks and was signed to represent the leader in health and fitness, Joe Weider.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    ....so, is this guy playing....

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ....a cyborg (i.e T-800) such as the one that Arnold played in the first movie, or is he playing a human (resistance soldier) on whom the T-800 cyborg model was based? I've never really been clear about that. Admittedly, I'm not up on my Terminator mythos and Dogma, but I've always been of the impression that Skynet based the look of the T-800 on a captured resistance soldier (also hinted at in the TV series, the SC chronicles) who might have had some history with Connor in the future war. Will that be this guy's role? It would be a nice symmetry to the entire set to give a back-story to Arnold's T-800 role, and why a Skynet would think that a German accented and muscled look would make a convincing Cyborg camouflage for penetrating resistance camps. The guy does bear some more than passing resemblance to Aahnuld, let's just hope he can also carry the same screen presence and charisma (ha!) that the Gorvinator was able to bring to the screen.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Thought he was that guy from..

    by Aeghast

    ..Son of the beach or whatever that piece of crap was titled!!!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    This gives me further reason to fear this movie will blow.

    by a goonie

    First, there was the hiring of McG. Shit. Then there was that disappointing, irritating, uninspired teaser. Double shit. And now there's word that they're going to include the Arnie Terminator character in the movie, but they're recasting the fucking role?!? Triple shit doesn't even begin to cover the level of douchebaggery at work here. I feel strongly that Arnie is an actor who cannot be replaced, especially when we're talking about the most iconic role of his career. Arnie is obviously not the greatest actor and blah blah blah, but he has a presence that is all his own. To include his character in this movie (which really isn't necessary anyway) and to cast some Arnie look-alike will only cast a hokey shadow on whatever scenes the guy appears in.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    How is that a spoiler?

    by chuffsterUK

    He's been listed as a T-800 on IMDB for a bit now!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I hope they plan to CGI his face

    by photoboy

    Because the resemblance isn't so much weak as non-existent.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    as long as he wears glasses ALL the time..

    by Cotton McKnight

    it might work. I wouldn't mind some kind of voiceover done by arnold himself.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I think its a great idea

    by Bobo_Vision

    I am glad they are using someone who at least looks like a young Arnold to play some terminators to maintain some continuity with the earlier films in addition to the other actors cast as terminators. Schwarzenegger is too old for the role. Even in T3 he was too old. And at least this guy is tried and tested as an Arnold look-a-like having played him in a biopic.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Despite McG, Fake Arnold ETC.

    by A G

    This film is going to work.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Who is this tool? I just lost interest

    by Jugdish

    Terminator Desperation is what it looks like!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    "Fuck you Asshole."

    by RICO OLD BUDDY

  • July 17, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I guess it is better than what Bryan Singer did with Brando

    by Jugdish

    THat was a DISASTER/....and Expensive Disaster

  • July 17, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Jack Colby

    by Jason B. Swaim

    Kill me now, please?

  • July 17, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    They've cast Kyle Reese too

    by Bobo_Vision

    Anton Yelchin the guy who's gonna play Checkov in the Star Trek movie. I don't know if AICN reported that yet, but it seems like much of these articles could be made from a simple IMDB search.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Hasta la vista

    by Second Try

    baby

  • July 17, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    DG_DB...

    by MCVamp

    I know it was a made in a different decade, looks better, and comes with a plausible in-universe explanation, but it always bugged me that the T-800 went from messy 80's comb-over to buzzcut...weren't all three Arnie-model Terminators dispatched within a few days of each other, just to different eras?

  • July 17, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Jugdish...Zombie Brando wasn't so bad.

    by MCVamp

    Had the rest of the movie been better, it might have even been a plus.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Put His face on him.

    by eric haislar

    at least

  • July 17, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    He looks close enough... I suppose.

    by SpencerTrilby

    Someone mentioned Roland Kickinger on the T4 trailer talkback yesterday, but his IMDb mugshots failed to convince me he was looking like Arnie. This is much better, but he needs to deliver the lines with some gusto or else it will just look and sound like, well, Cyborg 2: beyond lame.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I POSTED THIS YESTERDAY...

    by depalma25

    In the talkbacks, of course. Jeez, AICN you guys are slow.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    All he needs is the fashion shades from the T3 gay bar...

    by MCVamp

    And he's set!

  • July 17, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    That's some hair-splitting issue, MCVamp

    by SpencerTrilby

    someone had to go for the cheap play on words. Sorry.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    McStraight to McDumpster

    by Baron Karza

    McRetarded.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Pass

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Everything about this movie sucks. Why not make something original insread of changing/recasting everything? Oh, that's right, because nobody else in Hollywood has the imagination of Jim Cameron.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by CullenisPrime

    You know that James Cameron was somewhat involved, right??

  • July 17, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Jack Colby, about the rewrite

    by SpencerTrilby

    IGN.com posted an interview of some writer from The Shield TV Show who allegedly rewrote parts of the script very recently, before handing it to another couple of writers, so maybe (that's a hefty big "maybe") it's not all set in stone yet. You mentioned X-Men 3, but actually they changed a lot of things from the supposed storylines of the X movies after the first sequel got greenlit, so I wouldn't lose hope. I'll let my buddies go on opening night and report how the ending sucks before churning out my 10 bucks, but I'm still cautionously optimistic.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    CullenisPrime

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Only by suggesting the casting of Sam Worthington in the film, thereby boosting the box office chances of Avatar which opens 6 months after T4. Smart move on Cameron's part. Another reason why I won't see T4 though. I want to see Worthington in Avatar without any baggage, especially baggage from a McG film.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    teaser trailer

    by jinnof

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXnELk6pZVk

  • July 17, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    plot seems to be this:

    by Ray Gamma

    so this would suggest that the scenes mentioned in the very first & second terminator movies by Kyle Reese and by the T800 in T2, where John Connor personally sends first Reese then the T800 back in time, will be shown in this movie? I hope McG is dreaming up some clever time-travel paradox stuff for these new Terminator movies, that would make it all worthwhile.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Ok lets bet on how it will take LaserPants

    by Sidepocket

    To show up and dump over T2 because he thinks juvenile jokes (such as WE WUV YOU DADDY, I shit you not) are funny and has not ever gotten laid? I say 30 more posts after this one...

  • July 17, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Why does it even have to be Arnold"s Image?

    by Evil_Imp

    If i recall correctly in the original Terminator Movie the other T-800 models didn't all look like Schwartzenegger, like the one that Infiltrated Reeses human hidout . They all had individual and differing appearances as to obviously not give themselves away as Terminators to the humans. So really the T-800's don't have to look like Arnold at all for this movie to work.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Here's hoping he kicks ass

    by Mattyboy122

    "Or else you're going to have a real sour Kraut!"

  • July 17, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    That's not Arnold...

    by Johnno

    Sigh...

  • Goderich area?

  • July 17, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    The whole idea is a bit silly...

    by depalma25

    It will take people out of the movie, but it may be kinda fun seeing another actor do his best Arnold impression. There are clips of "See Arnold Run," The A&E Biopic on youtube. I think he looks a good deal like a young Arnold. He obviously has the accent, but his voice has a much higher register. I wouldn't mind if they simply dubbed Arnie. The Gov. can take a day off from running the state to do some looping. Remember in the original Superman, where they dubbed Reeve's voice for the younger Clark Kent?

  • July 17, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    One Of My Favorite Scenes In T1

    by LaserPants

    Is the future war part where the Terminator comes to the small camp and starts blowing everybody away. When I was a kid, that part burnt an indelible mark on my brain. Especially when you see his red eyes all glowing and Reese's stroke poloroid of Sarah Connor is all burning. Such a great movie. Too bad Cameron almost completely ruined the whole thing with the craptacular T2. Yes, yes, I know, everybody loves it for reasons that utterly escape me and I'm the worst person in human history for hating T2.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Not bad

    by ScottinDC

    I was skeptical but he's Austrian and with glasses on, will look similar. Still a feeble replacement, but they could've done worse.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's not often we agree but totally with you on that scene from Terminator, it's a classic.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    chuffsterUK

    by Merrick

    Would that be the same imdb which listed Matt Damon as James T. Kirk in Abrams' new STAR TREK movie for quite a while?

  • July 17, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I have an idea

    by Marillion

    That the T-800 will only be seen in cameo form.. Nothing too close or too long... <p> That said, Evil_Imp is right.. The T-800 canon (God I hate to use that word) allows for it to look like anyone.. <p> Frankly, while the homage to Arnold is kind of fun, it seems to me this movie is meant to be taken a bit more seriously than that.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    What about the T-600's?

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Kyle Reese mentions those in T1.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Evil_Imp...

    by depalma25

    That's actually a good point. In the original Terminator Reese explains that the early models were easy to spot out becuase of their rubber skin, or something like that. The T-800's were designed to infiltrate because they were indesernible from Humans. What's the point in designing them all to look like six-foot five bodybuilders that speak with Austrian accents? "Hey buddy, are you with the resistance or one of them damn Terminators?" "NO, I'am the Guviner of Caleefornia, and I want to pump...you up.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Hey, it could've been Howie Long...

    by MCVamp

    So there.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Would be hilarious if he started to revert

    by skimn

    to goosestepping while walking. Those who didn't like Son Of The Beach, just couldn't embrace their inner horny adolescent Mad magazine reading selves. I think the funniest running gag on My Name Is Earl, when I bother to watch, is when Tim Stack plays himself as an alcoholic hanging around in his SPF uniform.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    He was awesome in the Arnold biopic

    by ArcadianDS

    He could do this.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Roland Kickinger Sounds Very Arnold

    by kevinwillis.net

    Suited up and makeup and hair cut, he could make a pretty convincing T1 Arnie (where Arnie was considerably beefier than he was in T2 or T3).

  • July 17, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    It's Chip Rommel!

    by MilesGloriosus

    Will there be a cameo by Notch Johnson?

  • July 17, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    I was pulling for the Vin Deisel thing but....

    by The Eskimo

    this seems like it would work. Trying to CGI fix Arnold would just bog down the entire thing. The problem is that Arnold WAS the character and is so ingrained in peoples' minds as the terminator that it's hard to imagine any body else in that role. Unfortunately, it has to happen so I'm rooting for this movie to be a step in the right direction and hope it relaunches the franchis in the same way Batman Begins did.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Now get Tim Olyphant to play Reese.

    by Gilkuliehe

    It's a Look-a-likeys parade! I still have faith in this movie, damn.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by eric haislar

    Dude how do hate T2? How? I mean it took the first one and expanded upon it and made probably the greatest action film of the decade.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Roland Kickinger

    by chipps

    = porn star name

  • July 17, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    guys? we just slashdotted this dudes website

    by ArcadianDS

    his personal website? down due to traffic.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Yes but how will they deal with the McG issue??

    by IndustryKiller!

    Get on it boys.

  • dammit.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Could be worse...

    by Marillion

    We could have Uwe Boll in the chair instead of McG

  • July 17, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 17, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    ...as Chip Rommel!

    by terry1978

    Leila Arceri as Jamaica St. Croix, Kim Oja as Kimberlee Clark, and Steve Berensen as Steve the dog. And starring most of all, Timothy Stack as Notch Johnson

  • July 17, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Evil_Imp, the arnold looking T-800 has to be in this film

    by Seth Brundle

    Its true that there would be lots of terminators looking different, but the plot calls for John Connor sending Kyle Reese back in time AFTER skynet sent the first terminator (the arnie one, on T1) thats the role that Roland Kickinger will do

  • July 17, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    A train must be on time!

    by therealkumar

    I love Chip Rommel

  • July 17, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Short term mem loss here...

    by Doc_Hudson

    You know,..IM on the fence here about the movie,...but..if you guys(and maybe gals) remember,it wasn't Arnie who was the rubber skinned T in T1 where dogs barked.So MAYBE there were only 2-3 Arnie models if you leave T3's cutscene out of the equation.Bitch and moan but don't say it's not a Terminator film with no Arnie.I think that big fucker Arnie fights in True Lies in the bathroom would make another great "model" too who would be the rubber version.But since they say,"not mommie's future"....who knows where this is headed.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    There Will Be Suck

    by Iowa Snot Client

    You know this to be true.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    So Far, It Sounds Pretty Good To Me

    by kevinwillis.net

    A frame-by-frame breakdown of the trailer over at Empire points out there are apparently giant terminator robots, or the terminators have started operating large, hand-like cranes as part of their attacks.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Merrick

    by chuffsterUK

    So you're saying IMDB is wrong to state that he's playing a T-800 then?...*sigh*... Face it,it's old news and NOT a spoiler....

  • July 17, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Doc_Hudson

    by Seth Brundle

    the dogs never barked to a T-600 in the film, they are not shown in the first terminator movie Kyle only mentions that the T-600 had rubber skin and they could spot them easily, in contrast, these new T-800 cant be spotted as easy, so they need dogs to tell if they are humans or terminators in disguise, The Franco Columbu terminator who enters the human hideout in the first movie is a T-800

  • July 17, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    About the T-800 Series ...

    by Shan

    ... Well supposedly (and they might have done this in retcon), Arnold played a T-800 model/number 101, presumably other T-800s with different appearances are number 102, 103 etc. A T600 made an appearance in the Sarah Connor Chronicles (nice nod to the original movie) in episode 6 and was creepily well done. <p> As for the voice, well all terminator models we've seen can imitate different voices when needed, so I guess it could be that the Austrian accent was a default not used in infiltration mode. A Terminator 3 cut scene explained how the voice of Arnold's T-800 sounded a particular way but was rightly cut from the film on the grounds that it was truly appalling (yet fascinating in a train crash sort of way).

  • July 17, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    chuffsterUK

    by Merrick

    I was merely attempting to illustrate (perhaps poorly) that imdb is not always correct & in many cases should not be taken as gospel... especially in the early stages of a production when many contributors could update details on the site with any number of agendas. But, go ahead and believe what you will...you seem determined to do so.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, The T3 Scene That Got Cut

    by kevinwillis.net

    Was funny when the one guy, responding to the general complaining about the voice, turns to the general and says in Arnie's voice: "We'll fix it."

  • July 17, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Matt Damon to Play the T-800 in Terminator 4: A New Beginning

    by kevinwillis.net

    Being directed by Michael Bay. I read it on imdb.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    This sucks!

    by TVguy4566

    I think it is stupid to have an Arnold Terminator in this movie especially since it is 20 years before the first one is sent back. I think it is a dumb idea to have Connor run into the Arnold version of the T800 in every major event in his life (everytime someone/thing from the future comes back to past, the first post-nuclear war encounter with a Terminator, and his death). I can at least see somewhat in the first three movies because they actually starred Arnold. <br><br>According to Terminator 2, there are at least 101 different human skins for T800 since Arnold states he is version 101 of the T800 series, but John seems to only run into this model. It is the weakest part of the series continuity and totally unneeded at this point in the new trilogy since it will be 20 years before the first T800 is sent back. <br><br> Besides, T4 is going to have it that the T800 is around for 20 years and then Skynet makes leaps and bounds in a few years to make a liquid metal T1000? Stupid.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Arnie owes his success to of all people...

    by emeraldboy

    Jimmy Saville. When arnie was in the UK competing for the UK Mister Universe trials. He stayed in Manchester. and hooked up with jimmy saville. its was jimmy saville who realised how smart arnie was. Saville and arnie put together, Arnies goals. Arnie has kept those goals and stuck by them. they got to him to where he is today.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Good fit, makes perfect sense, Arnie's past it now

    by KillaKane

    Good match-up, hope there's a suitably thick Austrian Oak accent to go with that look, this is going to work big-time!

  • July 17, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    kevinwillis

    by caruso_stalker217

    The fact that scene ever made it past the script phase to actually get cut from the finished film boggles my mind. That was some seriously terrible shit.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Someone loan me

    by toxicbuddha

    some giveafuck. Coz I just don't seem to have any for this project. The money would be better spent teaching hamsters to break dance or something.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    caruso_stalker217 . . . T3

    by kevinwillis.net

    The fact that "It's Terminator: Only this time, it's a girl!" ever got past the pitch meeting is mind boggling. Then that it was some sort of liquid metal/robot hybrid was weird. The scene where she enlarged her boobs--oh, good lord. Then the fact they cast Nick Stahl as John Connor. Huh?

  • July 17, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    by Alec.Eiffel

    ah jeez.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Interesting idea, but polish on a turd

    by Mullah Omar

    This film still has too many strikes against it for this to be anything other than an intriguing idea. I haven't forgotten about the shitty plot twist, the probable PG-13 rating, the decision to cast some scrawny kid as Reese, the fact that McG is directing, etc. That's a lot of baggage to unload.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    as long as...

    by ValMcKee

    it doesn't have the pussy emo john connor from t3 this is cool in my book. slap some sunglasses on that guy and i'd go with him if i wanted to live.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    no edit button is ghey

    by ValMcKee

    by "him" i mean the ahnuld lookalike

  • July 17, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Merrick

    by chuffsterUK

    Poor it was,but fair enough!LOL!

  • July 17, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I prefer no edit button

    by Bobo_Vision

    Because sometimes people go nuts and say things they wish they could take back after they take their meds, and it remains for all to see. Its better that way.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    well if John Connor can be a different actor every movie

    by johnnysunshine

    I guess it makes sense they wouldn't be afraid to recast arnold. At least they got a guy that looks kinda like him.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Who IS playing Reese?

    by Bricktops hammer

  • July 17, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Who IS playing Reese?

    by Bricktops hammer

  • July 17, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    @Erichaislar: For Me, T2 Ruined Everything T1 Set Up

    by LaserPants

    Terminator as father figure? Ending ripped right from Old Yeller? Whiny bitch ass teenager John Connor? GunsN'Posers soundtrack? HATED it. I mean, yeah, okay, for the time there were some decent efx, but now they're dated and we're left with a maudlin, unintentionally hilarious turn with a 10 year old's sense of gravitas. Again, I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I'm being honest, I never liked the movie. <br><br>I actually think this T4 future war focused thing has alot of potential. I also think that this McG guy has to realize his head will be mounted on a post if he fucks it up. Honestly, I'm not even sure who the guy is, what movies he's done, or why everybody hates him.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    That's fucking retarded

    by I Dunno

    You don't fucking re-cast the fucking Terminator. This clown could be *A* Terminator but how are they going to convey that he's supposed to be *THE* Terminator? <p>"We've secretly replaced this movie icon with some other dude, even though through CGI or clever editing we could have given you the real thing. Not to mention the fact that the Arnold terminator version was supposed to be state of the art when Reese was sent back and this is set decades before. Let's see if the audience minds". </p><p>Just stick to the TV show, at least there's a cute piece of Terminator ass in it.</p>

  • July 17, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Shia LeBeef Is Playing Reese

    by LaserPants

    Geekdom's collective mindhole just prolapsed whilst they vomit with rage in unison. The cities are now drowning in puke and shit.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Bobo_Vision

    Yeah, many of the most heated talkbacks would be left with nothing but blank spaces a few hours later after cooler heads prevail. We're all guilty of that from time to time.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    This guy can't pass for Arnold.

    by TooWhippy

    Thanks a lot McG.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    "This guy can't pass for Arnold"

    by Shan

    Look up "See Arnold Run" on youtube. There's some clips of him playing Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not bad, especially the one where he meets James Cameron.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    oh he was also on that howard stern beach show

    by Orionsangels

  • July 17, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    The Terminator Salvation trailer is out???

    by Orionsangels

    I just saw it on some argentine news network. it looks badass!

  • July 17, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    wait wait wait...

    by Seth Brundle

    i see some people saying that T2 ruined the franchise????????? seriously...anyone who says that T2 sucks should have his nuts removed and sterilized

  • July 17, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    How very fucking MEH.

    by spud mcspud

    Charlie Bartlett as Kyle Reese and Jan Michael Vincent on steroids as fucking Arnold Braunschweiger. FUCK. OFF.<P> No longer interested. I'll keep up on this franchise with the TV series, thanks all the same. McG - McFuck Off.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Oh the trailer is out, durr

    by Orionsangels

  • July 17, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    This movie needs Elephants with mssles attached to them!!!

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    and Mark Whalberg as John Connor! Oh wait, it's not directed by Michale Bay or the retard Roland Emmerich? It COULD be good...

  • July 17, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    and WTF!?! @ the hate for T2?

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Are you guys serious, I could NEVER jokingly hate on that movie. The Director's cut, yes. The standard version, no.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    this film...

    by Project424

    Could be chock full of ROFLs! Just imagine if they used that voice from Hercules Goes Bananas.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS SHIT!

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    No Arnold, no t-800 this is sickening it really is. I hope this film is the clop of the century.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    This guy is close enough

    by Anakin Whoopass

    He looks a lot like young Schwarzenegger, and I don't even think his voice needs to be dubbed -- you'd forget about the difference in a few minutes if the movie is any good. Perfection is impossible and I'd rather have a real guy than a CGI/made-up Arnold trying to fake 28 years ago.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Yes flop is now spelt clop!

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    You heard it here first guys.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Hire Arnold for 1 lousy day

    by thegreatwhatzit

    ...specifically for the final scene. Kickinger and Arnold (clad in his trademark T-attire) pass each other in a corridor. Both perform double takes and look into each other's darkened glasses; they concurrently shrug and stare into the camera lens. Cue a sliding trombone sound effect. Freeze the frame, cue the credit crawl. There, I just saved the damn movie. Of course, I don't intend to view it...

  • July 17, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    VERBALTIMEBOMB

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    the extra scenes where Cameron is trying to incoroprate a heavier father/son relationship, didn't do it for me, the standard version is where it's at.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    VERBANTIMEBOMB . . . Good Job

    by kevinwillis.net

    You apparently crashed the Meatspin.com server. Not sure that they'd have anything involving McG, anyway, but there ya go.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Don't mention it Jack Colby - I'm a WB exec

    by SpencerTrilby

    I'm just doing that for a living^^

  • July 17, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST

    VERBALTIMEBOMB

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Those are all very valid points, but I think it has something to do with my love for seeing the standard version first. My track record with seeing DC's isn't very good, because there is usually a fair amount of filler, scenes that dragged out or needed to be trimmed. Did the T-800 smiling really add any depth to the story or relationship with John? or the T-1000 looking around John's room, it erases the "he'll find you no matter what" feel. Like I said you had a good point, I just didn't dig it.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    T2 director's cut mostly sucks

    by performingmonkey

    For a start, I don't like the Kyle Reese/Sarah scene (apart from the line 'on your feet, soldier' which you can't really argue with), it's like something out of a soap opera. The 'smile' scene is crap and unneeded. The chip-removing scene, while being visually cool, is also unneeded because the beats in the scene exist elsewhere, and the whole scene is just to turn on his learning ability which leads to suckage like the smile scene and the thumbs up at the end. There should be a new cut which is basically the theatrical version but with a few of the other added moments.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    looks like arnold but its not. get Van damme!

    by Mr_X

    that would be the awesomeness

  • July 17, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    He'll work, as long as...

    by eXcommunicated

    ... every time the guy shows up on screen, he calmly walks into the scene and you hear the low key "choo choo choo choo... choo choo choo choo..." synthesized bass drum "slasher theme" from the first flick.

  • July 17, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    He's kind of a robot alright.

    by Larry Sellers

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=vFS2yaTO0a8

  • July 17, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Just make all movies Batman

    by Sparhawk38

    Clear the slate. Batman back to back to back.

  • July 17, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I thougth it was T-101

    by estacado1

  • July 17, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Larry Sellers

    All in favor?

  • July 17, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    cool

    by slkboxrman

    i think hes great for the part....i love how all u fanboys are already getting ur panties in a bunch over the timeline...as if the original timeline established in the first terminator movie is even intact....the constant incursions from the future with terminators trying to kill both sarah then john connor had totally messed up the timeline....nothing wll happen the same in the future..ala, john connor WILL NOT have to send KYLE back....been there , done that....john connor was not supposed to be aware of the terminators from a young age, that only happened from the interference from the future...and after T3 whats to say that after the attack at the end, that skynet didnt find some of the arnold terminator and realize its advanced , start researching and using the technology earlier than in the original timeline,....even the sarah connor chronicles show that terminators were continuously sent back to find connor and to perform other missions as were resistance fighters..so the timeline is so polluted, no one can say that there is a definitive timeline anymore...and please, no comments about that "john connor has to send back kyle reese, or he wont exist" crap.....that timeline is GONE...

  • July 17, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    This doofus looks about as Arnoldish as Shia.

    by Jack the Riddler

    Besides, does he come from a Nazi family and does he grope women? If he doesn't, how can he pass for Arnold?

  • July 17, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Roland

    by kuldan

    I had the pleasure of working with Roland back in April 2005 on a commercial for Mavericks Gym. He was a totally cool guy to everyone (even the peons like myself) and had a lot of energy and personality. The dude also eats a ton, so I feel sorry for craft services. :) FWI - he's much taller than Arnold (by about three inches), but sounds almost exactly like Arnold when he talks. Pretty funny, actually - like he was born to follow in Arnold's footsteps (to a lesser extent).

  • July 17, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Doesn't know if he's a good guy or bad guy?

    by DarthCorleone

    John Connor is the one who reprograms and assigns him. Here's a hint, John: if you haven't ordered him to protect you yet, the terminator is there to kill you! Jeez...<br><br>That reminds me of that horrible bit in Terminator 3 where John expects that terminator to have memories of the events in the second film. John Connor should be smarter than that.

  • July 17, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    I think this is good idea.

    by The Outlander

    and they where lucky to find this guy.

  • July 17, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    angry...

    by TheRealRatigan

    http://tinyurl.com/6m7q2j

  • July 17, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Der Kickinger stole Lou Ferrigno's part too!

    by TheRealRatigan

    Don't make Roland angry...http://tinyurl.com/6m7q2j

  • July 17, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    My problem with T2

    by Knox

    In T1, when asked by Sarah Conner why he didn't bring any weapons with him from the future, Reese explains that only living tissue can pass through the time portal. So, how was the T-1000, which is composed of liquid metal, able to use the portal?

  • July 17, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    RE: t2 weapons

    by Knox

    Then why did Skynet have to send back an unarmed and naked T-800?

  • July 17, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Re: T2 Weapons

    by LaserPants

    No, no, the answer is much simpler than that -- T2 sucks and is totally fucking retarded.

  • July 17, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    ok here goes

    by redkamel

    maybe he plays only the the terminator Connor sends back...someone has to play the role. You could have other people play other, supporting terminators. T-800 was buff because he had bulky skeleton, like old trucks. I am sure there were 101 different appearance, but maybe the resistance sends back the Arnold one so John/Sarah can recognize him. Plus, its Arnold. The T-1000 is a prototype. It is conceiveable that skynet sends an 800, and the resistance, Kyle. Then the resistance sends back an 800, so Skynet has to send a prototype because its the only model, or the newer model, and it can beat the 800 supposedly. Knox, thats a good point about the T-1000 and living tissue. IYou have an excellent point that I never thought of. I think any explanation will be grasping at straws

  • July 17, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    There's TONS Of Gaping Holes And Fuck Ups In T2:OLD YELLER

    by LaserPants

    Another great one is when the Early 90s CGI Man attempts to force Sarah Connor to call for her son by torturing her, even though he has the ability to perfectly mimic people's voices and their appearance and could do it himself -- a trick he pulls not more than 30 seconds later! Did Cameron forget? Did he just not bother editing the thing? An unbelievably retarded, sloppy, poorly written, maudlin, unintentionally hilarious money grab of a movie. It is THE PHANTOM MENACE of the TERMINATOR franchise. To this day I have to idea why so many of you love it so much. The only thing I can guess is that many of you saw it when you were very young, that you saw it before you saw T1, and now assign it some level of critical acclaim based more on nostalgia than on the merits of the actual film itself.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    thats perfect. god i hate all of you guys.

    by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG

    never happy

  • July 17, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    VERBALTIMEBOMB...

    by Grammaton Cleric

    ...ya got me with that fucking meatspin.com. The "spin counter" really makes it great.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by TVguy4566

    How many times are you going to bring up the scene where the T1000 made Sarah call to John when every time people explain it to you before you get it through your head? The T1000 was damaged in the liquid nitrogen and was not functioning at 100%. It was clearer in the director's cut where the T1000 inadvertently combines itself to a barrier, but still was clear enough in the original version. <br><br> Besides, T2 was 2 1/2 hours long and you seem to focus on one scene that lasted 30 seconds. How bad was the movie really when your biggest complaint that you bring up in every Terminator thread is a 30 second scene?

  • July 17, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    so no Josh Brolin at all?

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Can anyone confirm that he's in/out? Guys i grew up in the 80s too. It was the best but we gotta let go. After seeing Harrison run throw punches that took 5 seconds to connect in Indy 4 they need to recast and id rather they go with a relatively unknown rather than someone like the Rock. Maybe this guy can be a new action star.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by TVguy4566

    I saw the original Terminator in the theater when it came out and I saw T2 seven years later in the theater when it came out. I even saw T3 in the theater when it came out. I have no reason to have a special sentimentality for T2. I personally like it better than all the other ones, but T1 is close. T2 holds up better over time in my opinion than T1 because the special effects are horrible in T1 by today's standards and all things 80s look kitschy these days. No one would be caught dead in Tech Noir these days.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    G

    by WolfmanNards

  • July 17, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    A

    by WolfmanNards

  • July 17, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Y

    by WolfmanNards

  • July 17, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Thats a terrible answer

    by WolfmanNards

    Just don't include him at all. Fuck sake.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    wow

    by Dijjot

    this is a non issue. i doubt the movie will be good, and the guy is literally a fill in for the governazi. wtf do you people expect?

  • July 17, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I think Brolin is out all together

    by TVguy4566

    He was supposed to play the Marcus character played now by Sam Worthington.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    As Many Times As It Takes, TV Guy

    by LaserPants

    But thats just one of many things wrong with the movie. Some other cringe inducing things include Terminator as father figure, whiny bitch ass teen John Connor, ludicrously forced gravitas that feels more comical than serious, Sarah Connor's desperately bad butch lesbian schtick, giant truck of liquid nitrogen (yeah, you see them every day! Boy did they get lucky!) ending ripped right out of Old Yeller, GunsN'Posers soundtrack and on and on and on. Its a bad movie. A desperately awful movie. I have no idea why it gets such praise from the geek-o-sphere.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    People Would Totally Go To A Tech Noir These Days

    by LaserPants

    Because 80s retro is in.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    80s retro is in?

    by TVguy4566

    Really?!? Maybe I should break out my Members Only jacket out of storage. Tech Noir was a cheesy club back in the 80s though.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Btw, TV GUY

    by LaserPants

    The explanation you gave about the T-1000 suddenly forgetting and then remembering his powers makes sense, but its NOT in the movie. I'm sure Cameron just forgot and didn't give a shit because he knew, either way, he was gonna make a mint.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Knock Yourself Out Dude

    by LaserPants

    But yeah, 80s retro is in. Has been for a few years, actually. Where've you been? You know the whole ironically 80s thing? Did you miss that? Its still going on. 90s retro is next.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    the writing is on the wall on this one

    by the power of GREYSKULL

    SO MANY things that are just plain WRONG about this film - does anyone seriously need to wait for the movie to come out before they realise what a great big stinking pile of SHIT it is? <p> btw Laserpants - I'm with you - there are too many things wrong with T2 to even bother trying to make a list. I have to say I thought the Spec Ed sort of fixed some of those problems, but you really did have to suspend your disbelief WAY THE FUCK out there, regardless...

  • July 17, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    C'mon

    by TVguy4566

    So having one Guns N Roses song in T2 is worse than all the cheesy Synthesizer music and that totally slamming song Sarah's roommate is listening to on her Walkman post-sex in T1? Guns didn't do the soundtrack. One song was included in the movie and I personally think it is a pretty good song (although not their best). <br><br> I had no problem with Sarah in T2 in fact most would say she was one of the better female heroins of all time in T2. I thought Cameron wrote a very good twist on Sarah going a little nuts realizing that she gave birth to a Christ-like figure who was going to save humanity and had the knowledge of a nuclear holocaust that would kill billions. I also though Linda Hamilton did a great job in her performance and was barely recognizable from what she was in the first movie. <br><br> As bad as Edward Furlong was, I'd take his John Connor over Nick Stahl's "I'm the future leader of the human resistence, but I can still be Claire Dane's bitch" John Connor. <br><br> The Terminator as a father figure was really not a huge point in the movie. I didn't particularly care for it or hate it, but it wasn't distracting.<br><br> You are grasping for straws with the liquid nitrogen truck. I don't see many liquid nitrogen trucks in the burbs, but I wouldn't be shocked to see one in an industrial area like the one where the scene took place in the movie.<br><br> The ending wasn't the strongest putting him into the molten metal, but they had to find a way to destroy Arnold. I didn't have all that much of a problem with it.<br><br> T2 is a classic. It is generally accepted as such. It might have had some rough edges, but even many classic movies do. You really are in a very small minority. The best I have seen you get in anyone agreeing with you is people admitting it didn't hold up well over time. That is far from admitting it is a bad movie though. It just means they think it is dated.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    s for the T-1000

    by TVguy4566

    He didn't forget. he was malfunctioning. That was clearly in the movie. It showed him having problems keeping his human skin form. In the extended cut, it showed him having more malfunctions. You can nitpick all you want, but most people got it. Sorry, you aren't as perceptive.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Ok, GREYSKULL makes two

    by TVguy4566

    Lookie here, the list of people on this site who hate T2 doubled just like that.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    As for 80s sheek

    by TVguy4566

    I guess I have been just sticking with more of the latest trends than looking at the nostalgia crap.

  • July 18, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    To quote a TBer: "This project is superfucked."

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I got nothing to add.

  • July 18, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    HOW ABOUT THE T1000 ?

    by Rufferto

    No love for Dogget. None. :( But that's pretty cool how much that guy looks like Arnold. More then the Star Trek recast does anyway.

  • July 18, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Eeew wait Son of a Beach?

    by Rufferto

    Yuck. Cgi Arnold instead. I want to see 10 or twenty of them.

  • July 18, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST

    T2 ruined the franchise!

    by Baked

    Anyone who says that is an idiot. The ultimate horror of geekdom is the purist who believes that only the first movie is worth the effort no matter how much is improved.

  • July 18, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    wow bashing cameron films...

    by emeraldboy

    that is a new one for me. though the screenply for titanic is terrible.

  • July 18, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Tim Olyphant would make a perfect Kyle Reese

    by Monkey_King

    I noticed this while viewing THE GIRL NEXT DOOR. He looks like a young Michael Biehn.

  • July 18, 2008, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Regarding 'call to John'

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    The T-1000 could not realistically imitate Sarah, if that be down to her turn of phrase, or underlying emotion. Note when he resorts to emulating Sarah that he sounds 'off', John is suspicious before he even sees the T-1000s fucked up feet. Cameron is capable of being subtle you know, he isn't stupid. That said, the 'field generate by a living organism' thing has long bothered me too. Maybe the t1000's liquid metal properties are sophisticated enough to simulate that field, but yeah, that's clutching at straws really. I would be curious to hear Cameron comment on that plot hole.

  • July 18, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    It should be ARNOLD or BUST.

    by halberd

    Trailer was nice... Christian Bale is helping sell this movie [would be lying if I said I didn't like him in this role] - but aside that, the taste left in my mouth after viewing that trailer isn't half bad... overall this may be McG's finest hour - IF he manages to pull this off. A gigantic friggin' IF. I'm sorry Jimbob Cameron, but I wouldn't be as comfortable with this McG letting his meathooks all over my heavy duty franchise. I know we should be talking about Roland but seriously... seriously are you kidding me? The pool of candidates had to have been much deeper than this...

  • July 18, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    But yea...

    by halberd

    Not to hate on this guy Roland but Arnold are one of those mainstays essential to a franchise... but not only does the Austrian Roland mimic Ahnold's hairstyle, he looks like he could bench a truck or three, so I think he's got the job to some degree...

  • July 18, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    It's not too late to cast Danny Devito

    by pokadoo

    ...he is Arnie's clone after all!

  • July 18, 2008, 5:38 a.m. CST

    This movie is getting better by the day

    by theplant

    Best news of the day. Ahnuld is too old and anyway he did T3 which was a crime. He is out.

  • July 18, 2008, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Yes, but can he yodel?

    by geodesigns

    But seriously----This guy looks, talks and acts like ah-nold-- now while I wanted to see terminator 3&4 within just a few years after T2- I understand the circumstances on why it didn’t happen, and it still sucks, but at least we get a rookie that fits the part.

  • July 18, 2008, 5:54 a.m. CST

    This guy looks perfectly FINE as Arnold's T-800!

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I mean, seriously... how many different actors have we had play John Connor? 20??? And NONE of them have looked ANYTHING like the others!<p>If you guys are willing to accept THAT lack of casting continuity — as well as the various James Bonds and Batmen we've had over the years — but whine like sissies over the fact that 60-year old, dumpy Ah-nold won't be cast as a 36-year old, buff version of himself, you clearly live in a delusion and your opinions are pretty much worthless.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    the cop in Redbelt looks like Robert Patrick

    by johnnyg korrupt

    Cast him as the t1000

  • July 18, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Just a thought

    by chuffsterUK

    How can John not know if he is good or bad?Wasn't John the the bloke who captured and re-programmed the T-800 in the first place? Surely he'd be bad????!

  • July 18, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Grasping At Straws?

    by LaserPants

    Nah. I just laid out a few reasons, offa the top of my noggin, why T2 sucked ass. Okay, why I THOUGHT it sucked ass. I know my opinion is in the minority here. <br><br> Recent trends, huh? (Guess you haven't been paying attention to indie music of the past year or so which more often than not references 80s indie electro and pop goth.) Like what? Kneeling down before T2? LIking GunsN'Posers? Oooookay. And yes, cheesy synthesizer music is better than GunsN'Posers. EVERYTHING is better than GunsN'Posers. Hannah Montannah has more street cred, is more edgy and dangerous than GunsN'Posers.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    If you remember the scene in T2...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...where Arnie's Terminator rides his motorcycle off about a 15 feet jump into the alley below while pursuing the T-1000...well, that wasn't Arnie. That was a stunt double but it totally looked like him. By now I'm sure that stunt double is probably too old too, but I forget if a mask or CG was used on his face. Either way, a suitable double for Arnie always seemed to me like a much better idea for the future franchise than using Arnie himself. After the abominable T3, I have no idea how some of you can demand that Arnold be in this? I agree with one person who suggested that perhaps Arnie could be the voice-over for Roland, but even if he's not, Roland's voice and accent are surprisingly similar to Arnold's so he makes a suitable replacement since the Terminator (in the original) doesn't have many lines anyway.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    TheGhostWhoLurks

    by TVguy4566

    It's not the change in actor that bothers me, it is the inclusion of the T-800 at all. Based on the timeline we know, the T800 wouldn't even be around at the time John Connor sees his first Terminator. Also, the fact that Connor constantly runs into the Arnold version of the T800 is already hokey. Why does the humans need dogs to sniff out the Terminators when they all look like Arnold? Also, as others have pointed out, why would John not know that the Terminator is good or evil when he knows the only good Terminators were reprogrammed by humans to begin with?

  • July 18, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Where John Meets Ersatz Arnie

    by LaserPants

    Ersatz Arnie: John Connor? Come mit me if you vant to live.<br><br> John Connor (tears welling in his eyes): Poppa? Is that you... poppa? I WUV WOO!!!<br><br> Ersatz Arnie: I wuv woo too. Hasta la vista baby. Ged doo dah chappah.<br><br> John Connor (weeping with joy, hugging his robodaddy in a way that could be seen as vaguely homosexual): Oh sweet baby Jesus, my robo daddy has come back to me! And you're still as buff as I remember! (Squeezes arm and moans a little.) PWEASE DONT LEAVE ME!!! I WUV WOO!!! I WUV WOO!!! I don't want to put you down like Old Yeller again!<br><br> Ersatz Arnie (Leaking oil from his eyes because he is overwhelmed with roboemotion, leaves to get a box of hankerchiefs for himself and his son, John Connor): I'll be bock. *sniff* I'll... be bock.<br><br> Sooo powerful!

  • July 18, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Guess we've found our new Conan too!!!!!!!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    Spooky! He looks a lot like a young Arnold, and if he's good in this, maybe he'd be a good choice for Conan!

  • July 18, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    He's not the next Conan

    by Bobo_Vision

    He has the acting ability and rigidity to play a cyborg and maintain that continuity, but the next Conan does not have to be an Arnie look-a-like.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    TVGuy4566

    by pdennett316

    There would not be only 1 T-101 running around, there'd be a fair few of that model, then a batch of the next etc. The rebels may have seized a batch of the same model for reprogramming. In T3 the Arnie model says it was selected to kill Connor in the future due to his experience with the same model in T2. They sent that one back because they'd captured it after it killed him. Agree with the T800 not being around though, should really be the rubber skinned dudes.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Carrot Top Should Be The New Terminator

    by LaserPants

    He's all buff now, so, couple that with his freaky ambiguous sexuality and prop comedy, you could have yourself a really terrifying villain.

  • July 18, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    In T2

    by chuffsterUK

    Arnie says to young John"YOU reprogrammed me"... The one that killed John was a T-850 sent back by Kate.

  • July 18, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Hmm TDK as ate all of your brains

    by Sebilrazen

    Has no one noticed that Roland is an anagram for Arnold?

  • July 18, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    How big are the robots?

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Mein bratwurst has a second name it's S-C-H-N-A-C-K-E-N-P-F-E-F-F-E-R-H-A-U-S-E-N

  • July 18, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    by Rommel Catuncan

    I read that the T-1000 was going to originally arrive through time in some skin-like sack. I don't know...I forgot...I like the slide trombone as a sound effect though!

  • July 18, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    He ay well have done...

    by chuffsterUK

    ..we don't actually see him arrive!

  • July 18, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Thank you Lord..!

    by workshed

    It's always nice to have something to serve up at Thanksgiving eh..? This is looking like a turkey we're really going to be able to sink our teeth into. Cameron should have bought up the rights (just to stop them making a third film) in the beginning.

  • July 18, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    pdennett316

    by TVguy4566

    I'm sure there was a lot of version 101 models of the T800, but it is a huge bit of coincidence that they are show up for every major milestone in John Conner's life. It showed up in every case of a Terminator getting sent into the past to kill him, one actually kills him, and now they are going to have the first Terminator John sees post-Skynet becoming selfaware as the Arnold model. That would go beyond coincidence to the stupid. Especially since it goes against the timeline already set forth in the first movie and it is stupid to believe that Skynet in the first Terminator would send back a 20 year old, outdated model to kill Sarah in the first movie.

  • July 18, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    If you mix up letters in ROLAND you get ARNOLD

    by That 70s Venom

    Isn't that fuckin weird? Yeah... that's fuckin weird. BTW TDK was amazing. Best movie of all time easily.

  • July 18, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    If they have him never take off his sunglasses, we'll be alright

    by WickedJester

  • July 18, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    On the Arnold T-800 first Terminator issues..

    by goatfever2007

    So, the t-800 is the latest and newest terminator in the first film? How long would it take before the nuclear fallout and stuff subsides enough for John Conner to venture out? It's not like there's the nuclear war, and then he's gonna come out the day after. I mean, how much older is he supposed to be from T-3? Just my two cents worth..

  • July 18, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    They've already recast John Conner a few times...

    by rbatty024

    they might as well do the same for Arnold's character. So long as he's not the focus of the film, I think it works well.

  • July 18, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Hope he wears his

    by skimn

    lederhosen.

  • July 18, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    T3s Terminator...

    by chuffsterUK

    ...is a T-850,so i guess thats how they explain the age difference ;)

  • July 18, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    They should get Arnold to voice over this guy

    by MattmanReturns

    Just have him, literally, phone in his performance.

  • July 18, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    MattmanReturns, I think that would sell it for most fans

    by Mace Tofu

    Same voice , younger face.

  • July 18, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    T2 aged terribly

    by Prossor

    i used to watch this a lot when i was younger, now though the whole thing feels like a cheesy effects-vehicle with a lot of sappy melodrama. T1 is still a classic arthouse type, just caught it airing on TCM a couple weeks back. Also i think that the future scenes of T1 were the best, without any CGI and lowbudget they had to combine many different effects styles and puppeteer the whole thing resulting in something that looks very bleak and raw. The future scenes in T2 and T3 were too shiny and had no sense of dread.

  • July 18, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Who cares about this Terminator movie?

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Where's my Son of The Beach: The Movie movie?

  • July 18, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Beat it, Laserpants.

    by OptimusCrime

    Guns N' Roses are hardly the band to choose when mocking 80's cheese. They may have a slight cheapo/white trash taint about them, but they also delivered us from much of what you accuse them of personifying.

  • July 18, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    T2 Haters

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Just fuck off and die. What are you even doing in this talkback.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    No, Nirvana Did That Optimus

    by LaserPants

    GunsN'Posers were just the final straw before the inevitable end.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    "With Your BItch Slap Rappin' And Your Cocaine Tongue..."

    by LaserPants

    you get nothin' done!" Yeah, that really sums up what the whole apocalyptic war for robots from the future is all about.<br><br> EPIC FAIL.

  • July 18, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    by LaserPants

    you get nothin' done!" Yeah, that really sums up what the whole apocalyptic war WITH robots from the future is all about.

  • July 19, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Pop Quiz hot shots:

    by depalma25

    How many actors over the course of the series, including the television show, have played John Conner? Video games excluded.

  • July 19, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    McG = Cat Piss

    by Nabster

    What the F? Another Austrian beef monkey?

  • July 19, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Republican Plays A Democrat

    by Maxwell Bishop

    Arnold wouldn’t be able to be in this movie anyway as he continues to play the role he was born to play; a Republican governor in the most liberal state in the union. He’s portrayal is awe inspiring, but his policies give him away. Although, these days it doesn’t much matter. A republican looks in the mirror and he sees a democrat and vice versa. Is there a way Roland Kickinger could terminate this prehistoric, two party system. You’re Terminated FUCKER!