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We're All Watching The WATCHMEN Now In Glorious Quicktime HD!!!
Holy Shit It's Awesome At APPLE!!!
Hey Folks, Harry Here... I'm ready. I'm so ready. In fact, I can't really talk right now - I'm watching the trailer repeatedly. The crazy fucking thing is... it looks like a WATCHMEN movie. Watching Manhattan move is bliss, the Martian palace forming, Rorschach's mask moving, just... well everything. Zach has really made a WATCHMEN movie. It's very real and so friggin far away. But it is in fact a very real and actual thing. Giddy doesn't cover it. I'm just praying that when I see DARK KNIGHT tonight at the Imax, that we get to see this trailer - cuz if so, I'll need a catheter.
If EMPIRE apparently wasn't supposed to have the trailer up yet, and Warners is shutting down the YouTube spot. Seems the filmmakers want you all to experience the trailer in the theater tonight. I get that. I've only seen the trailer about 40 times today - and ya know... when it plays tonight at the sold out screening of DARK KNIGHT - and the audience loses its shit... I will be seeing it for the first time. With an audience - on a screen the size of which dwarfs my pants.
What watching the trailer a billion times on the internet does for me - is it trains my eye to absorb the detail and richness of a trailer on the big screen. I literally can not wait to see Manhattan in Vietnam zapping that guy! That said - look for the HD debut of the trailer on APPLE at some point shortly - we'll have it added onto this page as soon as it comes up!
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Count me in
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First for Watchmen trailer... hell yeah
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Holy shit, this looks amazing. Let's hope for more footage at comicon!
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WOW!!!
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i like it, i want to see more already
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That's the most awesome fuckin trailer ever!!!
DAMN!
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But the dude who plays Adrien is DEAD wrong and that suit looks SOOOOO AWFUL.THATS NOT OZYMANDIAS.
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..but I saw some caps here and there. It looks awesome, indeed
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Comic movies have really become something else entirely...what an amazing time in the history of the art we are living in.
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God bless those guys. Best movie mag on the planet.
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I am actually watching a trailer for a live action Watchmen movie. I can't believe it. Oh, and a Batman movie may end up being one of the best movies of the year. Crazy.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:06:57 PM CDT
Looks about as bad as a "Zach Snyder Watchmen" movie can look
by zikade zarathos
Waaaaay too artificially "slick." The comic is so expertly, clinically, un-emotionally rendered that all of the stupid, forced slo-mo bullshit feels comically out of place (pun not intended), like a joke. This thing should have been shot like THE WIRE, the 300 aesthetic is completely wrong. Sure, it's cool in the "Hey, there's Dr. Manhattan being played by an actor!" Pavlovian-geek response way, but, judging from the trailer, this isn't the WATCHMEN movie anyone needs or should want.
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Way to go Zack. Pimp out that filmography.
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But it looks damn cool....good visuals. I do hope they focus on some real action and don't go 100% CGI...but from what I can see, it looks solid.
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That's gonna be my wedding song. Fits the tone perfectly. this looks like it'll be better than even Alan Moore could hope. Haha. FUCKING AWESOME.
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I'm still skeptical if he can pull it off, but the trailer gives me hope.
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You have got to be kidding us, right?
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about what the Watchmen is about I am really confused. But I am sure the faithful are thrilled. That was a visually stunning trailer. I just wish I knew more about the movie / characters / story.
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That was just. . . .AWESOME
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Well, 300 was.
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...you'll be a year older, a little fatter and a lot less energetic. I honestly don't see what the hubbub is over... this looks like every other damned comic book movie I've ever seen. PS: Kubrick was VISIONARY. Christopher Nolan is VISIONARY. This is overhyped...
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But it will be better than The Spirit trailer.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:10:27 PM CDT
There's a spoiler in the trailer for those who haven't read it (
by vomitousmass
You see that _____ killed ____ right there in plain sight!!!
Looks pretty good so far but I dunno how they'll cram all 12 chapters into a single movie. I guess we won't get the comic within the comic about the cursed ship, and who knows what else?
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Nite Owl's ship coming out of the river was fantastic. And I love the look on Crudup's face as he's in the particle accelerator -- he knows what's coming, but he's almost interested in what it's going to do to him. Fantastic trailer, exactly what you'd hope for in a first look. Plus, the mask DOES move...
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By Smashing Pumpkins form the Batman & Robin Soundtrack...different from "The End is the Beginning is the End" from the same soundtrack. Cool.
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Amazing, can't wait, something to distract us, for a second, from Dark Knight. Looks friggin' phenomenal!
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... non-fans of the novel will have no idea what the fuck the movie is going to be about. Not a good idea.
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Hopefully your theater won't start it halfway through like my loser place did.
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Will this geek-chise find a big audience? Hope so.
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Good trailer, but I'm not convinced that this is going to make a ton of money. It'll become a cult classic for sure, but this just doesn't have box office gold written on it. 100 million tops domestically.
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yeah
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this will fuck people up. anyone know if its R or pg13
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"But the dude who plays Adrien is DEAD wrong and that suit looks SOOOOO AWFUL.THATS NOT OZYMANDIAS."???? He is a little skinny, but in no way "DEAD WRONG"
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The kick-ass Watchemen trailer was a wonderful appetizer to the kick-ass Dark Knight movie.
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Wow.
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holy shit.
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Officially my most hyped film of my life....
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Guys, I'm actually in tears right now. My favorite band (Samshing Pumpkins) playing in the background to this long-awaited, beautiful trailer. Really, I don't even know what to say right now. I'll have to calm down a little first.
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Has it come to this??
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WWWOOOOORRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Somebody shit on the coats. Somebody definitely shit in or around the coats.
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Nice to see Hollywood still knows how to cut a trailer.
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AMAZING doesn't begin to describe this.
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A trailer hasnt given me the chills like that maybe ever, maybe the first Xmen film?
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That was the most beautiful trailer I've ever seen!
Every shot was directly from the Watchmen graphic novel!
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But i've been reading these posts out of boredom, and it seems the majority of them are PLANTS!
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if it EVER FUCKING LOADS. Sorry, going through pre-TDK symptoms.
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My dicks hard. That looks really fucking awesome.
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Yesssssss!
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godamn you people. HOW FUCKING COOL DOES THIS LOOK??? visually it looks IN-FUCKING-CREDIBLE. snyder really knows his shit when it comes to graphics. the prison break looks fuckin sweet, and doc manhattan?? holy shit. ive read the book several times, and there are so many layers in ech character/story line, i hope its 3 hours long and fucks all you haters in your already stretched asses
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Check with your friends or local library to see if they have a copy that you can read. Alternately, it only costs $13.59 at Amazon.com.
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everywhere! as for the dick above who said about the spoiler, he gets killed at the beginning! havent you read the comic!!!!
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If its opening too slow, type WATCHMEN at YT and check the last added video.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:22:34 PM CDT
Just as I'm about to see my most hyped film since Episode I
by the guy who slept through everything.
Here comes the trailer for this, Great time were living in, I totally agree. That trailer literally had my jaw dropped.
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IMDB shows actors cast as JFK and Jackie K but no Nixon! Did they change that for the movie? I guess it doesn't matter that much, or does it? (JFK alive illustrates "hey, this is an alternate timeline, dumbasses!" a bit more aggressively than having Nixon around I guess... slight change in the cold war vibe...)
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Just read the comic and I do doubt that the depth and detail can truly be realized in the movie form but isn't that the case with all great literary translations? BTW, can we all take a second to appreciate Zack Snyder before he becomes grossly overrated. He has already carved a niche for himself as a visual pioneer.
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So excited talkbacks = Plants now??
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anyone know yet?? cuz i wanna see rorshauch killing those dogs and smalltime slit that guys throat, but you know what, if its pg13, i aint gunna care cuz ive been waiting for this for a LOOOONG time. i think im actually more excited for this than the dark knight
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It's Rated "R"
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That looks very different from what I was expecting. I hate the whole fast-mo/slo-mo thing Zack does, but good God does Dr. Manhattan look PERFECT. I didn't think that was possible. Not sure I like Haley's delivery of that last line (I was hoping it would be a bit more...subtle and disconnected, I guess), but overall, I think it's turning out so much better than it could have.
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...for a movie based on the greatest comic book series of all time, they're using a song from the worst comic book movie of all time (i.e., "Batman and Robin")?
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That if this hits well, they'll want a sequel. This has to be a stand alone film only. In fairness though Zack has done a great job judging by this trailer!!
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... from TDK and something new to salivate over after tonight.. God knows I need it..
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Thanks god for the direction where artistic usage of CG is going. Can only now wait for this to be integrated with 3D.
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Seriously, it looks like a living breathing version of what the comic tried to across. A cross between indifferent and transfixed. Let's just hope the ending is preserved, and I mean no changes period.
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Looks amazing. Can't believe how perfectly they nailed the look of the Watchmen Universe. Snyder is the man!
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let it commence, all you soulless losers. Go ahead and start picking the movie apart based on a two minute trailer. You fuckwits are the reason I loathe much of humanity. You know you'll be the first ones forking over your money to see this, just to talk shit about it. For the record, I think this trailer looks incredible. Gonna re-read the book right away.
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Manhattan, Rorschach, Comedian, Nite Owl... all look spot on.
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he will save us all...IN TIME
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Perfect!
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I've had a catheter and you don't want none of that shit. Go for an adult diaper instead.
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And watched the trailer a few more times. The costumes, the sets, the colors... I really like where Zach is going.
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What was the name of the song? It was wow. Second favorite song by them behind Cherub Rock. Followed by Tarantula and Today.
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The trailer makes it look ACTION PACKED! Which Watchmen largely wasn't--that was the whole point, wasn't it? Plus, a little digital-slick, but hey, whatever brings down the budget, right? If the story's faithful I'm there, maybe twice.
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I cannot stop watching it ... this looks EXTREMELY good.. finally a little respect for the source material
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the Watchmen in live action after all these years. Made my brain melt. It gave me chills. Crazy!
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Manhattan moving = GOLD! Perfect perfect perfect. Not quite as good? Dan (Nite Owl II) shouldn't look like a total bad-ass. He should have a bit of the old paunch. I can live with that, though. Rorschach looks great, the Mars scene looks great, mostly looks pretty damned good. It won't (can't) be the comic book, but it looks pretty damned good.
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I cannot tell you how long I've waited for this movie (well, 20 years to be exact). And I wasn't expecting it to be so... clean. For frak's sake, even Rorschach looks squeaky. This story called for grainy and dirty, or at least Fincher-style lighting. But from this glimpse, thankfully it's a glimpse and perhaps I'm way off, it looks as though they've pasteurized the comic and made it clean (some will say CGI but WTF was Wall-E? Did that shit look clean?) Ooooooh, I did not want to be negative about this project, I really didn't. On the plus side, Crudup-Manhattan looks good, so does Ozymandias. The rest is utter unfinished CGI shit, too pristine for such a dirty, brilliant story. Insert vulgar expletive here, this looks so middle-of-the-fucking road it makes me feel bad! Gilliam, come back!
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...Is the greatest movie magazine!!! Thats why they get exclusives like this!!!
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Can't wait to see the big screen version of that trailer.
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I have loved the novel since it was first released in comic form. I'm sure the film will ultimately let me down in many ways (like V for Vendetta, it almost hurts more when the story changes but the visuals are so faithful/pretty) but as far as giving the fans little peeks at things they want to see, this trailer delivers. Whatever suckage the film eventually offers, the original book will always stay the same. For sure one of the more re-readable books I've come across.
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(low whistling sound)
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Zach Snyder's cliched overuse of slow mo appears to be in full effect once agian. Or perhaps the trailer is cut that way. Regardless, hopes that the ridiculous costumes would look better in context have now been shattered.
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I didnt think Ozzy (evil) looked right. Not bad, just not dead on. I'll get used to it. Everything else was cool.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:34:15 PM CDT
All the atoms in my jizz chamber are screaming at once
by vicious_bastard
Truly awesome
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Gonna have to get this song (cheers DeCypher44 for the name of the band). Love the trailer as a music video but I do not anticipate the movie style as I didnt like 300. Sin City was ok. I love the visuals of these movies but they becomes tedious in a full length movie. Plus they lack soul.
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I hear you, man.
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Man, it would be fucking amazing!
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This looks promising. I just hope it isn't slow-mo fest the whole time. Wonder how they're going to to the end. You know that quick shot of Nite Owl screaming in the wind and snow happens when a certain someone dies at the hands of a certain someone else.
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I haven't seen a trailer cut that good in a long long time. God damn that shit looks fucking cool! So yeah, anyone else counting the days until March 2009?
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... a litle too studio-bound like Batman Returns, but I guess I shouldn't bitch. Seems like with CGI environments Snyder could've opened things up a little more. That scene where Ozymandias was attacked... in the comics, his corp[orate headquarters was this huge interior space, in the trailer it looked like the local office of some midlevel insurance agent. The scene on Mars looked like some diorama of Mars in a museum. But, I'll have to see how it all looks on a big screen this weekend when I go to see The Dark Knight.
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hire a new server/web hosting..!
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"From the visionary director of pan's labyrinth..er 300"
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i need to see this! imagine tho if the comic didnt exist, we will never see a trailer like this because who is going to greenlight a movie that looks like that nowadays? A big green floating guy, a guy who looks like an owl.... oh and a copy cat of Beatrice from kill bill
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That teaser was so bad-ass that I can completely ignore Billy Corgan's horrific giant-baby-man voice. Goddamn, man. Goddamn.
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Is this going to be able to stand on it's own for the people who haven't read the series? If I didn't know the story, that trailer would be pretty baffling.
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DrManhattan looks even more inhuman than I expected. "The Dark Knight" and "Watchmen" both within one year. I'm beginning to think I'm glad I lived this long....
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Until HD version is available. I need to rabidly digest every single fucking frame of this....
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He looks the part.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:41:30 PM CDT
I've said I would try really hard not to die before seeing TDK
by the guy who slept through everything.
Now this gonna be a bitch, I've watched this trailer about 6 times now, and it's let me stunned. Also, it looks as though the the slow-mo is cut that way. I don't/hope think it will be in the final product.
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Does anybody know if there are mirrors anywhere?
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This trailer will be interesting to see with audiences. Half of the crowd will erupt with "Fuck, YEAH!"s, and the other half will sit in stunned silence, wondering what the hell they just saw. As for me, "Fuck, YEAH!".
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... what did they expect?
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I mean I love it and all, but it's a freaking comic book. Why is that bad?
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life just got soo much sweeter my friends. i cant get enough. if the dark knight is heat of the comic-movie genre, this is going to be legends of the falls meets fellowship with a splash of roundhouse kick to your nuts. i just started liking snyder alot more. it looks like he took each iconic image from the novel (all 5,000 of them) and managed to somehow translate them into film using his own style. and i love the slowmo fighting, its like a freeze frame from the novel.
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Jul 17, 2008 2:43:43 PM CDT
Too Much Shiny CGI And The Theme Tune To Batman And Robin?
by troutmaskreplicant
I liked the Mars sequence but otherwise I found it surprisingly dodgy. Perhaps the CGI shall be rendered some more? Also why tempt fate by using the theme tune to Batman And Robin (albeit remixed)? I won't be convinced of it's quality quite so soon.
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...the CGI (especially the Dr. Manhattan in Viet Nam shot), but I'm sure it'll all be finessed before release.
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They're saying AICN jumped the gun and so they've nuked the page and will probably repost it on another one.
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From http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22942:
There's been a very long wait for a first look at footage from Zack Snyder's take on Watchmen, The Greatest Comic Book Of All Time™. That wait is very nearly over.
The trailer for the movie, about a world where betighted crime fighting heroes have been outlawed, will be showing in US cinemas in front of The Dark Knight. But for those outside the US, or who haven't snapped up a ticket for Batman's first day, you can see the trailer exclusively online here at Empire on Friday morning from 5am GMT (or 9pm PST on Thursday). Trust us, it's worth getting up early for.
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let it commence, all you soulless losers. Go ahead and start picking the movie apart based on a two minute trailer. You fuckwits are the reason I loathe much of humanity. You know you'll be the first ones forking over your money to see this, just to talk shit about it. For the record, I think this trailer looks incredible. Gonna re-read the book right away.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuwIpihrFUc before it gets pulled
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delete the space next to the =
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scrawny, goofy looking fucker in a overcompsenating costume. that's not the adrian veidt of moore's watchmen.
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It's a slowed down version of The End is the Beginning is the End...from of all things THE BATMAN AND ROBIN soundtrack. Way to pull a gem out of a heaping pile of shit, Watchmen trailer music selector guy
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I'm simply asking if anybody knows if there are any mirrored links, that's all. Calm down, fanboy.
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Come on, someone's got to have saved it...
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And Billy Corgan sucks
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The runtime worried me as much as the rating. Now we appear to have a 150min, R-rated piece of sweet, sweet movie ass on our hands. Heheh, Moore will still slate it though...
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That was fantastic! WAYYY cool! I'm so there. (I was gonna be anyway but now I'm really so there!)
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Oh WatchMEN! That I like.
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...said this was coming 5am GMT how'd AICN get the link?
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What's the fucking difference? So you can gush about the trailer but anyone who doesn't is a hater that doesn't deserve to live and have an opinion? Actually, gavdiggity, it's people like YOU that make me loathe much of humanity.
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Alternate link, anyone?
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Hope they use some actual 80s or 80s ish music in the film (unless they set it in the present). I was most worried about Dr. Manhattan but I think they pulled him off. I love the look of him while he's blasting apart those soldiers - totally serene and aloof. It seems like he really gets the character. I also like the leather on the silk spectre - totally fits with Alan Moore's ideas on the fetish aspect of superheroing (and it's hot). Minor complaint is that her and the Nite Owl might actually look too good as they're supposed to be a bit embarrassing and past their primes.
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is all that slo-mo really in the movie? no wonder it ran long and they had to cut out stuff and put the pirate story on a second disk. if he'd quit the slo-mo he could fit in the whole novel.
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You know why I hate humanity? Genocide and torture.
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Seemed slightly longer than in the comic. Just sayin
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..but it's still loading.. halfway through..
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:)))))
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Dr. Manhattan is PERFECT!!! It was chilling to see him completely obliterate the Vietnamese soldier simply by pointing at him. Also, I'm digging Snyder's slo-mo technique, because it lets us savor the images that are placed before us. Rorschach looked great as well, although I would have loved to see him really in action, not just with the aerosol spray and a match. Ozymandias doesn't look nearly as bad as he did in the still from some months back. This ramped my excitement for this movie tenfold!
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...and very much enjoying it!
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Not enough air time, though, if you ask me. My best features are missing completely.
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... but be warned - picture quality is shit!
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Does anyone read other posts before asking for an alternate link? Just asking?
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... hope the movie is. I loved 300 so I'm really pulling for Zack.
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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=quZqZsDTCpM
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Can't wait to unhatch my great scheme upon the world. :)
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Give it some time for the novelty to wear off and a lot more people are going to start talking about the shiny computer images and the fact that the actors seem to be posing instead of acting. It's not a bad trailer at all, but it has yet to convince me.
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Dang................ but are they keeping the ending?? (PLEASE?)
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But I guess in certain scenes, it works.
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That was pretty funny. Gravdiggity... find some perspective.
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People who don't know sh*t about it don't know what they're missing
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...is in the graphic novel, too. In the "Doctor Manhattan sees all moments at once" scene.
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This film is going to divide the geek community right down the fucking middle like no other film before it.
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no problems matey, the embedded vid looks slightly worse than if you go onto youtube as well. May have to pick up the graphic novel as well at some point
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Although, the 300 trailer was just as impressive. So far, Zack Snyder has been the 'great trailer, shit movie' guy... I really, really hope this breaks the trend because (like everyone else on here), I love Watchmen...
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how apropriated
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Jul 17, 2008 3:02:27 PM CDT
Mark it up, one of the best trailers EVER.
by the guy who slept through everything.
Chuck Norris himself could have rounhouse kicked me in the face and Segal could have stabbed me in the balls with my own dick, and I still would have been stunned by that trailer.
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Did that load a bit slow or is the the WHOLE.FUCKING.THING in slow mo.
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So 've just scanned through the talkback, but am i really the only one to notice that the song playing was a remixed version of a song (also by pumpkins) from the Batman and Robin soundtrack? Are hey being deliberately ironic? Cos this looks great.
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The song smacks of 90's Smashing Pumpkins. I love the song and the Pumpkins. But it doesn't work for this movie which is an 80's period piece. The visuals are looking pretty sweet though.
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I'm excited! But Ia gree this film should be dirtied up a little with some old school lighting. But whatever, I'll deal with it... As for the name of that song? I believe it's a remix of a Smashing Pumpkins song 'The End is the beginning is the end' or 'the beginning is the end is the beginning'... one of those two... Were orginally from the Batman and Robin soundtrack.
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Jul 17, 2008 3:05:10 PM CDT
Once Again, better than THAT 'SHITTY 'THE SPIRIT' TRAILER!
by darth_kaos
I've heard of this comic, but never picked it up. I don't read comics. Anyway, that's how you cut a fuckin' trailer! This movie looks good, and it's only a teaser! Can't wait for the full trailer!
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It's just that digital isn't limited to 24 frames a second and you can slow down pretty much anything and still have it look smooth. However, having said that, if these scenes are as-in-movie and slowed down to that degree, well, that's just artsy-fartsy for artsy-fartsy's sake.
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I respect what Snyder is doing. And I'm very happy its R rated like 300. But I really am getting tired of this green screen shit. And 300 really didn't work for me. I'm glad it made money though because I like Hollywood making darker films. Dark Knight will hopefully change the industry for the better. In other words...I support Snyder as a filmmaker I just really wish he didn't rely on the green screen aesthetic for all his films. I'll definitely pay to see this in the theater...But I'm afraid it will probably wind up disappointing me like 300 and Sin City did.
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I'll be damned. They have captured the look and spirit of the graphic novel precisely. And they have made a trailer that is clearly targeted AT THE FANS (every pivotal shot from the book save for... well, almost everything in the 12th issue) that also will make Joe Six-Pack go "WHOLLY SHEET WE GOTTA SEE THAT!" Bravo Warners marketing (and to "the visionary director of 300").
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Jul 17, 2008 3:08:40 PM CDT
Also, does the Comedian look a hell of a lot like RDJ to anyone
by the guy who slept through everything.
I know it's not him, but wow at that flamethrower shot.
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Jul 17, 2008 3:08:45 PM CDT
and malin ackerman has already showed her tits before
by thedudeintheshadows
looks like we'll be seein them again.
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Boy oh boy looks like DC is finally catching up.
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It was actually a little shocking how off he looked and I missed parts of the trailer. He should be older, and not look like so much of a douche.
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STUNNING!
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I posted "captured the look precisely" and I gotta take that back - wrote that without thinking. The Dan Gut is sorely missing, and Viedt looks... wrong. Otherwise, I'm ready to buy advance tickets for the IMAX showing at midnight right now.
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We have all seen that the comic book film realm has been going apeshit for movies we have been waiting to view. The first trailer isn't a teaser and The Comedian looks balls mean.
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i thought that, but looking back it just looks like Dr Manhattan is killing some vietnamese guy. Being a big fan, this looked about as good as i could have hoped. small gripes, but overall looking great. the image of the comedian overlooking the bombing was brilliant. chills.
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'Gym' hit the nail on the head. It is supposed to be ironic. Using a song from the worst comic book movie ever made is just brilliant. Just like Ozy's ridiculous suit, the film isn't just about comics, but comic book movies, and I am willing to bet that we will see more observations of the genre in the film...
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with a velvet glove cos that looked serrrweeeet!
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but it just doesn't seem to have the right feel visually for the material. it's too stylized, glossy, clean, etc. the essence of what moore was trying to do was to place the construct of superheroism in the decidedly real world zeitgeist of 1985. snyder's just doesn't seem to be the type of filmmaker who can handle the nuances that the material demands.
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It's just a trailer.
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Heh, like I wasn't in the first place. Christ. I'm so there.
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I don't like it. I know why you guys do.
It looks exactly like everyone thought it would. Zach Fucking Slow Motion DOESN'T THIS LOOK SO BADASSSSS Snyder adapting the SINGLE most intellectually fulfilling graphic novel ever written. That's not pretentious fanboy bullshit either. Name all the reasons why you loved Watchmen, and I'm pretty sure "because the heroes looked so cool blowing shit up" is nowhere on the list. He was never the right man for the job.
Look, as a now definite pessimist on this movie, I just want to state that I don't find you all idiots for geeking out over this movie. I thought 300 was cool. But this won't be anything to mainstream audiences other than random superheroes in ridiculous costumes that look as if they walked out of an Ultraviolet sequel. Why the HELL is he keeping the movie set in the 80s when the whole reason for the book was to be a mirrored image of today's society? Snyder will be slavish to the visual aesthetics of the comic (as the preview showcases), but Watchmen is literally the only superhero comic where that aspect is the LEAST important. The STYLE of the movie looks way too in-your-face. Slo-mo superhero poses go entirely against the gritty realism presented in the story, as do the slo-mo "money shots" that Snyder prides himself in. Fucking shame.
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Yeah, actually I was thinking that too, he does look like a bulky Downey Jr. of sorts.
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What an utter disappointment just like the Dark Knight was. It's fucking 300 all over agan complete with super slow motion, crappy CGI and more hyper-reality bullshit. Thanks Zack, it looks like you ruined the greatist comic book series ever written. Boy, do I wish Aronofsky could of directed this instead of this music video stooge. Ah well, at least I got to see one good superhero movie this year with Iron Man.
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Just absolutely fucking stunning.
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http://tinyurl.com/5vx6qe
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Jul 17, 2008 3:21:32 PM CDT
HARRY -- YOU MISSPELLED THE NAME OF THE MOVIE IN YOUR HEADLINE!
by mtoast
It's plural. You know, because there are several characters...
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Jude was publically lobbying for the part. It seemed like a no-brainer. Anyway ... this trailer looks okay. Not the jawdropping trailer I was expecting, but I'll still go see it ... no problem. I was expecting Dr. Manhattan to look a bit more realistic, though. He looks kind of Poser-esque. Silk Spectre looks far better than I was expecting though. I'm sure the film looks better than the trailer. Perhaps it was the song it was cut to ... but it was ever-so-slightly underwhelming as a first trailer. At least for me.
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from the Batman & Robin soundtrack. HAH! This looks pretty damn interesting though. Love Billy Crudup as Doc Manhattan.
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please look up the word hyperbole in the dictionary.
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Hey!!! He must've been really excited about it!!! Let him be!
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is not a slowed down "the end is the beginning is the end", it's a standalone song called "the beginning is the end is the beginning". probably the only good thing to be associated with batman and robin...
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Haven't heard that song since I listened to the Batman and Robin soundtrack when it was released years ago. This movie WILL be insane. Suck that we have to wait so fucking long to see it though. :\ Now where's my HD version?
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I THINK I JUST CREAMED ME PANTS A WEE BIT. MY GOD SHE IS HOTTTTTTT.
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..come on, honestly
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what else is new
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It's curious that the trailer song (The Beginning is the End is the Beginning)is the same that was used to promote (along with the more popular The End is the Begining is the End) the nipple rich movie "Batman and Robin".
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Will let ya'll know...
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Of course! It is the flash file which played on the Empire page.
Use VLC or Mediaplayer Classic to watch it. -
thought I saw the world trade center. am I mistaken?
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is to an flv file, and it's 86 mb...
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No more no less, a teaser trailer at that so we can't tell how close that Snyder is going to stick to the source material. That being said I really don't know the source material because I've never had the pleasure of reading the Watchmen. However just based on that trailer I'll say looks interesting, very slick, and for now I'll be planning to watch the Watchmen.
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played at full speed,300 would have been about 30 minutes long.looks good, but i really hope it's not filled with the slo-mo and sudden slow action matrix style shit. if they cut that we could actually have a full fucking adaptation.
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"ARE THOSE THE TWIN TOWERS IN THAT SHOT?
by The Marquis de Side 3 Jul 17th, 2008
03:27:17 PM
thought I saw the world trade center. am I mistaken?
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please read the book and realize it doesn't happen NOW. thank you. -
Please show me the part in my posts where I said anything about people hating the trailer. Here's what I ACTUALLY posted (twice): Go ahead and start picking the movie apart based on a two minute trailer. So, what I'm saying is people who say the movie will suck based on the amount of information that trailer gave us are presumptuous assholes. If you wanna say the TRAILER sucked, I have no problem with that. But looking at the trailer and saying anything about the movie itself is fucking retarded.
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IS THE TRAILER! HOORAH! THANK YOU!
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Thanks ;) Already downloadin'
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For one, you should not hate most of humanity, that is a big no-no (for your own comfort and that of others, ie those you hate for the most part). Secondly, you should try your hand at replacing Mugabe or some other fucker dictator, meanwhile, let others freely express their opinions as you do. And thirdly, trailers are just about the only thing you can pre-love, since you're obviously too tight-assed to love any girl or boy or dog other than your pretty, self-centered self (now that is a definite lack o' soul). So, why don't you go talkback with yourself, let us know the results and meanwhile we'll have a debate, a dialogue, something more interesting than one geeked-out, little shit spewing on himself. But thanks for the lesson and good luck on your search for soul.
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Other than the geek joy of this why would anyone want to see a movie of something that is unfilmable.
CGI'd to death and obviously so, this is looks like it'll pull the kind of disappearing act that Sky Captain did.
Hope I'm wrong but I have no high hopes for this as I expected a more film noir tone to a watchmen film and this just feels right off in terms of look and atmosphere. -
Was not a fan of 300, and simply can't stand the gimmicky fast-mo/slo-mo effect. Doesn't seem suiting to Watchmen. But damned if that wasn't a stunning trailer otherwise. I've only watched it once and as I write this nearly every image is staying with me. I'll speculate no more on whether Snyder will deliver on this one or not. He's earned my ticket and I'll simply wait to see it through before I judge further.
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No? Anyway, The Spirit trailer looks beautiful and different. Does the character have a woman fetish on the page as well?
As for Watchmen. I think the teaser really nails the atmosphere. That's what's important (in a teaser). -
anyone who still hasn't seen it.
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Jul 17, 2008 3:37:42 PM CDT
Were the Zak-naysayers right? Does Zak NOT have the depth necess
by juglicker
Gotta agree for the most part with pleasebanme... "Name all the reasons why you loved Watchmen, and I'm pretty sure "because the heroes looked so cool blowing shit up" is nowhere on the list." The dark lighting/colours don't match the staid colours of the comic.
However, I have SOME faith in Zak ;). I'm hoping the studio demanded that Zak put all the action shots into the first trailer (because, as we all know, the studio always knows best) and that this is NOT a summary of Zak's approach to the movie as a whole...
All I'll say is - it's not worth getting too excited either way - this is only the first trailer and recent memory shows it wasn't til the later clips that we all saw Jarjar... (I can't even remember if that's how you spell his name; I've made such an attempt to blot it from my memory) -
I don't agree that Watchmen should look like "The Wire". I always pictured it as a sort of waking nightmare. And the same people who complain about the slo-mo in 300 complain that the action scenes in The Dark Knight are cut too quickly to see anything. I appreciate the fact that the director lingers over the action scenes in 300 with lovingly detailed slo-mo.
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The only way Citizen Kan could be improved upon would be to make half the film in slow motion. It makes stuff look cool and shiny.
But seriously, that looks like shit. He's bringing back all the same tricks from 300 that didn't work the first time around. Maybe I'll download the movie if I have trouble sleeping. -
although i repeat my earlier observation that some of the characters appear to have had a heroism upgrade: the original made them out to be losers, but i ain't getting that vibe here.
to be honest, though, i don't mind if this is a sleeker Watchmen. although it's plainly one of the great graphic novels, it's not untouchable. the ending, as i've said before, is particularly pants. -
I didn't watch it all, and now i'm fucked...
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You sly fox you... " But looking at the trailer and saying anything about the movie itself is fucking retarded." Aaaah yes, of course: they're totally unrelated and in fact, the trailer will be different from the movie because the movie's going to be two and a half hours longer. Nice try, but no buy. And don't call people retards, retard. It's fucking offensive.
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go back to your cave and have your mommy make you some hot tea so she can tell you how right you are. your opinion=what i wipe with.
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Posted earlier - it works (86MB of beautiful HD) - studio plant, I say!!
http://tinyurl.com/5vx6qe
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And the theater was in complete silence the whole time, equal parts memsmerized and confused. The preview held everyones attention until the title came about, because I think for the most part the majority of those in attendance (press/contest winners) aren't diehard comic book fans. As soon as 'Watchmen' appeared on screen, I heard a few "what the hell?" and "What is that?" going around.
But talk about a perfect trailer score. Along with 300, Snyder (if he has any input) knows how to pick a song. -
http://gizmodo.com/5026434/nerdgasm-watchmen-trailer-hits-web-a-day-early
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/241236.html?playlist=featured
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i even broke the chair i'm sitting on cause i crap a shitload!
i dont know how well zak can do on the script front, i still have my reservation, but visually... this movie is just absolutely gorgeous!
as great as ironman and darkknight are... but those movie have really really mediocre trailers. this one i can watch hundreds of times over and over again. it's soooo just amazingly done.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/241236.html?playlist=featured
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I hope Nite-Owl wears the Arctic outfit.
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from IMDB: http://tinyurl.com/5bzf2v
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all the YouTube links have been pulled. Guess I'll try to watch it come 10 p.m. MDT - try because empireonline.com probably will be crashing.
Regarding Laurie's costume - no matter how "hot" the rubber and leather may be, shouldn't a character named Silk Spectre wear silk? -
uh, i think the better question is why the hell not?
Watchmen is very much a creature of its time, suffused with Cold War paranoia and fear of imminent nuclear war. Maybe you ain't old enough to remember that, but the whole post-9/11 atmosphere is another kind of existential dread entirely.
Snyder made the right choice keeping this thing in the 80s. -
and i'm glad they give her more to do, since i thought she's the most useless character. in the comic we never really see here in action... in costume. that late night swing in the alley hardly counts.
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Anyone notice the Twin Towers in the shot where the Owl ship comes out of the water? Does this mean that Watchmen is still set in the 1980's or is it supposed that 911 would not have happened with Doc Manhatten around?
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you don't get much cooler than that. Manhattan looks better than I ever imagined, the Comedian is fucking perfect... oh wow, watched it about half a dozen times now and I'm still seeing new things. 2009 is too long to wait for something this good.
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has a quote from WB that the trailer will be up on Apple at 9PM PST. Whatever that equates to in the UK???
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Can you imagine how much MORE of a shitstorm Snyder would have unleashed if he had updated to the 2000's? There's no way he would have done that.
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Well, I can think of two off the top of my head. The way it illuminated that the superhero ethos represents the twisted underside of the American fascination with power, and how the literal existence of actual superheroes would have made our history worse, and not better, by encouraging our worst tendencies. And then there's the fact that everyone in the comic is quite insane [Manhattan no longer has a human mind; Rorscharch is a psychopath; Ozymandias' megalomania is boundless; the other "costumed adventurers" are bondage freaks or the equivalent of furries] and that insanity illuminates the petty insanity of our culture's love of the genre. Now, I'm trying to see how the occasional use of slo-mo, or a "slick" or hyperrealized look, makes it harder for the director to communicate either of those points, and I'm sorry but I just don't see it.
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That was like a graphic novel coming to life to perfection. Holy shit...fuck me...I am speechless. I can't even put words down. My hands are trembling. Fuck.
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Love how some folk on here start name calling when they see an opinion they don't like.
Just after your spots disappear and somebody besides your mom first kisses you you'll realise that everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
By the way how can they put out a trailer without the blood covered smiley badge, its sacrilige. -
Nixon is still in the movie. He's on the TV screens behind Adrian.
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/241236.html?playlist=featured
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GE, that wasn't the death I meant (though I thought what you were thinking about that for a nanosecond too)
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I'd have to disagree. There are plenty of people who know about Watchmen these days. I worked in a comic book store for 7 years and in that time we would sell about 1 or two copies of Watchmen a day (on average). I can't think of any other graphic novel that has that kind of consistant sales figures. And the buyers weren't all fanboys, either. On top of that, there were lots of people who would come in the store and as they noticed Watchmen would say "I read that in college". Is it as well known as American Idol? No, of course not. But there is a built in audience for Watchmen that is a whole lot larger than some people think.
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Jul 17, 2008 3:59:58 PM CDT
to all the tards who dont think this will be good
by thedudeintheshadows
lemme break it down for you-
you suck, your opinions suck, you have zero credibility, aaand you smell from all the shit spewing from your mouth and/or stretched anuses. you arent a filmaker, your you. snyder would gut punch you if he could, and so would i. try making something that will last longer than your pathetic hard-on, like a film maybe, and then we can talk. otherwise, try not bringing people down just cuz your mad at the hand life dealt you. or as i like to call it - talentless -
Some suggestions: They could add the Muppets, who could fight the Watchmen to save the Earth. They could call it "The Muppets Take Manhattan".... I'll be quiet now.
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as soon as I'm posting about the absence of a link, somebody gets it on flv and the Gametrailers link goes up, as well. Nice imagery, but I said that of "300." The reworking of the glass castle is especially nice. Adrian still looks like a villain, when he should look like a golden GrecoRomanEgyptian hero. Like the owlship. We'll see.
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You're so funny, Dude. Hope it's deliberate.
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thank you for that. Well said.
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I forgot to mention that Jeffrey Dean Morgan looks PERFECT as the Comedian. This is quite a change from his usual stuff...but now I'm really excited this character.
Still not sold on Ozymandias (Matthew Goode is a great actor, it's just the look that bugs me) or the ladies (did we even see Silk Spectre I in this trailer?), but that could definitely change over time. -
They actually give me a lot more confidence than this trailer does.
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I made a point not to insult anyone here that thinks this looks good. I'm happy that you have a Watchmen movie of which you approve. But please tell me you don't actually think that to ANYONE other than comic nerds this movie doesn't look just like an Aeon Flux or Ultraviolet or whatever the fuck that new Vin Diesel movie is called. The same old money shots. LAUGHABLE slo-mo. Watchmen IMO was never supposed to look like a video game OR a music video. Respect for the source material isn't just putting panels from the comic on screen, it actually has to do with understanding the tone and successfully conveying the THEMES of the work. This is 300-izing the comic that is the absolute FURTHEST THING from style over substance imaginable. The world of Watchmen is even SUPPOSED to look goofy to illustrate how absurd and topsy-turvy a world with superheroes would be. The heroes were never supposed to look "badass" as their hair billows in the wind and a lightning bolt strikes right behind them while taking out the trash to some fucking rock music. Idiotic.
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that looks like a live action video game. Thanks Hollywood.
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its Watchmen, made into a film. Scene for scene. But, there are still some issues...Dr Manhattan looked a bit wierd, still not impressed with Ozymandias, Nite Owl was VERY Batmanesque. Rorshach looks quality though, I will give them that. Still far too early to be offering an opinion, but I'm dying for this to be great.
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just cuz you got one doesnt mean anyone wants to see it
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is - if memory serves - from the Batman & Robin soundtrack. The very first single from Corgan & co...
Not a good taste of things to come, at least for those who didn't surgically erase B&R from their mind. -
is that it's The Smashing Pumpkin's "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning," which was written and included on the soundtrack to what film? That's right, Batman & Robin. Not a bad song, but they probably should have thought twice before they associate the film, even to the smallest degree, with the worst comic book movie ever made.
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In my first place, the language that's being typed on here is really just OFFESIVE! Too many F's and S's!!
Second: this makes NO SENSE. If there's one Batman movie about to come out right now, why are they putting the trailer out for the next one out already? Plus his costume looks very different and so does Wonder Woman and it's really dumb that they didn't just keep the title 'Justice LEague.'
But it still looks really good!!
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Thanks for your input
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Doc meets JFK at the White House and calls him a "real" hero. I guess that for all his aloofness and indifference, Doc got caught up in Camelot just like everyone else.
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Yes 300 did use slow motion to GREAT effect in various scenes. The material lent itself to that. Dawn of the Dead had little to no slow motion b/c it was a different story and lent itself to sped up imagery. Film viewers should recognize that different stories require diffent techniques and to murder Snyder for one film choice is extreme ignorance. He needed a BIG SALE trailer and that's what this is, he's reaching the widest audience with simple, non-verbal communication, but hey, maybe I'm way off and Snyder's a one-trick pony, I bet my right hand that's not the case.
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for reiterating my point a minute before I made it.
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This couldn't have come at a better time. After seeing so much talk about this mysterious "watchmen" i finally went out and bought the GN, and just finished reading it a couple hours ago. This is a spot-on rendition, and it looks like it avoids any potential cheesiness that simply wouldn't adapt well to the big screen. A concern I have though, and have since Speed Racer and Hellboy 2 came out, is.. will anybody besides us care? I mean, the story is great, but at the same time it's really quite different. The main worry I have revolves around the story's "bad guy" and his ultimate scheme; it's so interesting but at the same time he's just shooting all these fantastical elements to his plan in so little time, but films don't give you the leisure to take it all in like you can with a book or graphic novel...
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I think I just peed a little. No, I think I just peed a LOT.My favorite shot is of the three Manhattans. That shit give me an actual chill. Like, for real.
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Fewer people read 300 than have read Watchmen.
But 300 did pretty well box-office wise.
One can argue that the Spartan angle brought in people who like historical films, but the History channel doesn't exactly get blowout ratings.
300 succeeded because the trailers for it were so damn compelling, and because Snyder had genre credibility from the Dawn remake. Now Snyder's credibility is a multiple of what it once was, and extends out to more filmgoers. So if he actually makes a good movie...
This can succeed if it's great. It will fail if it's mediocre. And that's actually pretty cool in my book.
I think it will have a good opening weekend because Snyder is now what M. Night was the day before Signs opened. He's a guy who's relatively well known because so many people saw one of his films on DVD, and because so many OTHER people saw a film of his that was a breakout hit, and "A Zach Snyder film" will get a certain percentage of those people into a threatre. ONCE. Now he has to deliver, or it's off to Lady in the Water gulag for him. -
So far as I could tell, we didn't see any pre-'60s action and so no suits from those decades.
Is it telling that in the GN Manhattan blows up a TREE in Vietnam but here blows up a solider? (He does blow up the head of one of Moloch's goons, demonstrating his willingness to use lethal force.) -
To mention Batman and Robin gets kicked in the nuts, yes same song get it, now move the fuck on and say something tangentially relevant, d-bags.
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People didn't know what the fuck 300 was either, and every male on the planet went to see that. This is something that surpases AMAZING, and will only build up interest. I wouldn't be surprised if WATCHMEN cracks the top 10 on seach engines during the weekend.
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Doesn't mean you'll get it in the film does it????
And using the music from one of the shitty Batman films is a joke for christs sake. Wake up you mugs. -
it really is FAR too early to tell if this will really be good or not, but the way some of you nitpick a two minute trailer is mindboggling. if you paid half as much attention to your own life as you did this trailer, maybe you'd realize that this isnt film school and your probably not in one anyway.
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The first caption should've been "In 1985" rather than "In 2009."
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Again you make some points that are well worth consideration.
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He actually takes existing materials and embraces the idea of collaboration. I think M Night could still be a good if not great filmmaker if he understands that we (the audience) are tired of the closed worlds he continues to offer. His films have become the genetically inferior product of his incestuous imagination.
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http://www.lunchtimebanter.com/?p=185
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im fucking stoked about this.
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While it looks visually impressive (overused cgi but it's done well enough), I am betting this will be somewhat of an expensive commercial failure since it's more of a cult / fanboy fave rather than the kind of flick everyday film goers are really jonesing for. Take Hellboy 2: cool movie, massive press and marketing...and while it took first place at the box office, it only made about $35 mil it's opening weekend...respectable money indeed but not devestating and nowhere near a record (because it's wider appeal is somewhat limited). Watchmen is that kind of film...akin to Sin City - cool premise, good director, interesting visuals...but still inaccessable to the larger public.
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As I read-between-the-lines in some interviews, the outcome of the ending is the same, but "the mechanism" used has changed. Lots of people still die, though. And before anyone screams "sacrilege!' they all need to go find Sam Hamm's script from the early 90s, where the ending was changed to "we have to change the past and make sure Manhattan is never created so the world will not be on the brink of war and oh, yeah, let's end up with the characters teleported to the alternate world where they are characters in a comic book." THAT was sacrilege.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Had more visual imagination than 98% of Hollywood's crap. It not a perfect film but it is entertaining as hell and any homoerotiscism is a reflection on the viewer more than the film. He banged the shit out of Super-Hot, naked Lena Headly, from the front and the back!!!!!!!!
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Been my experience that IMAX trailers are rarely thr same as standard theaters, and are usually limited to movies that are also planning IMAX releases.
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Thats why she likes to rock out on the guitar, maan, because she's so, like, totally, like, a rebel and, like, omg lol!
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I really don't think that the scene you speak of contains spoilers. It would be like saying that the Comedians fight is somehow linked to Rorshach's fight because they are right next to each other. I think the spoiler issue you speak of only applies if you know the plot - otherwise they are two images cut together but not connected.
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ya it looks like it
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everyone who didnt already know about the watchmen will now. look at no country for old men. half the people who saw it had never heard of the book. same thing here. the younger demographic are going to flock to it. regardless of how it LOOKS in a fucking trailer. people are pumped for this, save for the few film school failures who already have analyzed the entire movie from a two minute trailer. i have absolute faith in snyder to have a little more respect for the novel than you do for him.
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Was skeptical buzz at best. Watchmen is one of the greatest books ever, that's a built-in fanbase that Sam Jackson will never match.
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It may not be the comic but by god it's looking better than we dared hope.
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Here kiddies, save that sucker to your hard drive...
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/stills/watchmen_io9.flv
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dont fuck with the snyder.
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How is Snyder ripping off Del Toro?
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If Zach can pull this off, which he looks like he might, then he should have carte blanche to whatever comic book movie comes next. Let's forget about the Bryan Singer's out there ruining great comic books. Snakes On A Plane always looked like shit! That was corporate marketing, not internet geeks supporting that.
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HELP!!! STOP DROP AND ROLL!!!
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So I bet you guys will hate the shit out of it, naturally. I fucking hope that is in front of TDK tonight.
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GET OFF THE BUS!!! THERES SHARKS ON IT!!!
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http://gizmodo.com/5026434/nerdgasm-watchmen-trailer-hits-web-a-day-early
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Is McNulty in this too?
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http://www.joblo.com/video/joblo/player.php?video=watchmentrlr
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Because how often has any movie turned out to be as great as the "great trailer" which proceeded it? As someone who really enjoyed the comic, I have been looking forward to seeing this film since it actually started production (was dubious it'd happen until then.) And everything up to this point has led me to believe it'd turn out well. But this much positive hype on AintItNegative's TB makes me dubious about how well it'll turn out. Unfortunately, this like this just can't live up to their trailers COUGHPhantomMenaceCOUGH
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Was great visually, with a simple story. Comparable to Rambo 4, a lean film, little diagloge, and some kick ass action and violence. What more do you want?
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I think Danny has it right when he says it was a combination of Frank Miller's name and the violent historical epic genre that helped that film. In fact, I bet the film's success is owed more to Gladiator than to recent comic book movies. Two and a half hours of slow motion does not a blockbuster make. My guess is that this does mediocre numbers its first weekend and then buckles from bad word of mouth. Of course, I'm not an exec, so what do I know.
Hellboy did surprisingly well last weekend and I was really afraid it would bomb, so who knows. I doubt many people outside of the comic book reading minority even knew who Hellboy was before the first movie. Although, the advertising Hellboy very smartly played up the humor of the film. Snyder doesn't have much of a sense of humor to his films. -
Damn
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I won't debate your opinions on 300, but I will point out that Watchmen, just because it is directed by the same guy as 300, should NOT be a soulless string of special effects based on everything we've seen so far. The thing you have to remember about 300 is that Snyder presented it pretty much as it is on the page (except he added a bit more story to it, if you can believe it.) Like 300 or not, if you read the graphic novel, then see the movie, it proves Snyder is highly capable of "faithful" adaptation, which is what gets me the most hopeful for Watchmen.
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If the action was actually kick ass and the visuals were actually great, then nothing. Unfortunately 300 had neither of those things. Visually the film was laughable. Who's idea was it to make Xerxes look like Andre the Giant? I busted out laughing in the theater. I've seen Mupptes who looked more realistic than that humpbacked guy. Slow motion should be used to emphasis a great moment or two. Not every second of the damn film. When used in excess slo-mo ruins good cinematography. Even when you set the bar as low as you Frongbak, the film still doesn't hold up.
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hate all you want on snyder. he probably fucked your mom and your girlfriend. wait, no i fucked your mom, and you never had a girlfriend. hey, you win some you lose some
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...by which I mean BEFORE he was Dr. Manhattan and just normal Billy Crudup (He should have the blonde buzz cut). Other than that, I'm in dire need of a change of pants.
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Be confused by Night Owl?
Is it me or does he look a bit to similar to a certain Caped Crusader who's latest movie is out this week? Will the non comic book reader going to see it think it's a Batman related movie?
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The jury's still out for me, particularly given how underwhelming 300 was. Manhattan and Rorschach look great. The Comedian seems ok. But even notwithstanding teen Ozymandias, why isn't Nite-Owl in a fat suit? I was worried about this as soon as Patrick Wilson was cast, rather than, say, John Cusack. The whole point of his character arc is that he's gone to seed.
Dunno what the hell was going on with Silk Spectre, either, but Ackerman is too pretty and too vampish, at least for the comic version. -
I liked it !!!
The Trailer that is -
That's all it'll need to garner $70 million on a MARCH weekend, it won't bomb.
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Yes, I risk ridicule on here for admitting that, but mostly thanks to you guys, I want to know what the fuss is about. I just started reading it and it's pretty damn good so far. The trailer - WOW.
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It's not supposed to be Ordinary People, folks. Like the comic, it uses the storytelling conventions of heroic epic poetry. This was the way that Troy should have been filmed. Something tells me that everything DGDB doesn't like about it was precisely what I did like. I also like the fact that in the PG-13 era, Snyder said, "Hey, MPAA. Watch me cut off heads and legs in slow motion. You like that, don't cha? Just give me the fucking R already."
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You are correct in that we all have different opinions on films. I like 300 quite a bit and don't find it soulless. There is no way it or I lowered the bar on quality films. You know another director who was derided as being an overly-stylized, music video fucko is David Fincher, now you can't turn around without hear some fanboy lips on his cock, but maybe I'm way off, we'll see.
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Hold on this might get a little pedantic.
In my opinion, Snyder makes the most glaring change in the character of Ephialtes. In Miller's version, after Ephialtes asks to join the Spartans, Leonidas tells Ephialtes "I can't use you" and then turns his back as Ephialtes jumps off a cliff. In the film Leonidas suggests that Ephialtes carry the dead off the battlefield or take other non-combat jobs before he throws himself off a cliff. Later in the story it is Ephialtes who betrays the Spartans by showing Xerxes the pass that allows him to outflank their position. In Miller's version, if Leonidas, and by extension, Spartan society could have mustered the imagination to find a place in society for everyone, then they would never have been outflanked. While most of 300 the comic book exalts the Spartans, Miller still has the insight to slyly critique some of their shortcomings. Snyder completely misses this point, and while reading the comic probably wondered why Leonidas wasn't a little gentler to poor Ephialtes and decided to add the line about carrying the dead off the battlefield. This was a mistake. If Snyder isn't able to understand the slight complexities of 300 then there's no way he's going to understand the mass complexities of Alan Moore's Watchmen. -
my bad yo. but lets get something straight- this will FAR outshine snyders other movies. but i get it, some people dont like his style. but mark my words- this movie will surprise them. and the raiders will make the playoffs. so will the A's. MARK THEM!!!
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Guy Who Slept Through Everything...are you SERIOUS? You think that guarantees success? Ridley Scott is among the finest directors alive..he made Kingdom of Heaven for $130 mil but only made $47 mil domestically. Oliver Stone made Alexander - it cost him over $150 mil to make and yet he only made $35 mil domestically. Michael Mann made Miami Vice - it cost him $135 million to make but he only made $63 mil domestically. Shall I go on? Some of your posts are fun..some even right on; but, with respect, your heads up your ass on that "From the director of" post. Former success is NO guarantee of quality or of financial return.
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And that's why it's the trailer for the IMAX version of TDK.
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and I haven't seen either, yet. But I've seen the same amount of both, and yeah, Watchmen fucking OWNS Dark Knight. See, that's how you change costumes and still make them look awesome. I didn't see any eye makeup or stiff necks, no gadget-inventing sidekicks. Looks pretty great except for Billy Corrigan's whiney ass voice all over it.
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And a well-reasoned argument. The biggest problem with a film adaptation is the loss of nuance, and Watchman is special b/c of the layering of stories, the generation of Watchmen and a whole bunch of other detail that could easily be lost. My point is, have faith, Snyder is not Ratner, or PWS Anderson, or even McG. Don't put him in that box.
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probably the most effective way to mimic comic book art in a film. It's kind of a "no duh."
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Jul 17, 2008 5:13:24 PM CDT
Those are all directors loved by fellow film lovers
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Snyder is the Jason Statham of directing, every male will go see his shit, throw in the fanbase WATCHMEN has along with just comic geeks, and boom you have a favorable ammount of return. That's not evne counting in the plain ol' moviegoer who sees whatever comes out that week. Unless FIREHOUSE DOG 2 opens and takes away about $15-20 mil. :D
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I was just at the pool talking to my friend about how seeing the Watchmen trailer was one of the reasons why I was so excited to see the Dark Knight tonight. Shit! I am so fucking pissed off right now.
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Dickblood. I said critics and dumbasses used to diss Fincher for being a music video director. Now everyone praises him as a genius. People call Snyder a music video director therefore perhaps one day he will be hailed as a genius too, I'm betting March 2009.
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Thanks for that chuckle..that was prety good. Speaking of 'directors all guys will go to see their shit': The Wachowskis! Yah, Matrix baby! OH! Except they did Speed Racer...which is one of the biggest financial bombs for any studio in history. There are NO guarantees. NONE.
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got one that still living??? PLEASE I just got in from a flight and am just now catching this post!!!! Help a fellow Watchman FAN!!!
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Hey, I don't know if anyone out there noticed this yet, but I think that song that was playing over the trailer was the one that came from Batman & Robin!
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This is why I think "Watchmen" can't properly be adapted for film even by a very talented writer and director - my discussion of the comic, from 1987. If it bores you - oh, well.
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Way under-rated and it's too bad.
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Hmm. Well...nah that's not quite right, especially after the garbage fest that was "300"? And what the hell was the god-awful song on the trailer? Ummm...had to turn the sound DOWN on that piece of shit. Whatever happened to using umm...film scores...in film trailers?? The visuals ARE nice...hoping the script doesn't suck.
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Just watched it there. Fucking awesome.
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http://tinyurl.com/5g89ok
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and it looked like Dinosaur shit. WATCHMEN looks AMAZING, and that's from 2 minutes. I think it's gonna do good, they're releasing it where 300 raped, nothing to challenge it. I can't wait to see the reaction in the theater tonight when this plays, if some fucker laughs or boos I'm drop kicking him in the throat.
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finished rereading it today, and now this, got more than goosebumps, geesebumps, almost teared up i#M SO FUCKING EXCITED, fuck yes.
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This is gonna suck like 300 sucked. I still can't believe anybody liked that stupid ass movie. It's all hype, it's too dark and it's not gonna sell with the public.
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But I knew it was gonna bomb. Basically it came down to the fact that nobody gave a shit about it. It was a cult movie, with a relatively small niche fanbase, blown up to the size of a mainstream blockbuster and it failed. I predict a modest success on dvd and a second life as a cult movie.
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I can't find a working/real link anywhere.
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Dave Gibbons. I love those who can refute the authenticity of it when the illustrator signs off on the quality. I will go with Dave Gibbons on this one and pretend all those who are calling all the minuscule details out don't really have a voice. Nothing will be like the original material but it's a different medium. Damn.
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Chuck Norris will pay you a visit later tonight.
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"Watchmen" is a drama. Where's the suggestion of the plot? I know you can't contain "Watchmen" in a film, so you can't begin to hint at it in a trailer, but it has a through-line. The core of the story is a mystery. Why aren't we shown any of that? This isn't a teaser, it's a full-length trailer, and all we get from its is pretty pictures. "Iron Man" and "The Incredible Hulk" both gave us a heads-up re: the plot while still showing plenty action and pretty pictures.
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...sounds like Zack's on the right path... so far with him and Nolan, even marvel Studios, seems like Hollywood is FINALLY listening and paying attention to the source material and NOT fucking things up by updating or removing whole casts of characters with a Tom Cruise prototype. This is the start of something new...NOT a sure thing, yet, but definitely a sign that change is on the horizon with the film industry and comics.
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Bob Kane thought Val Kilmer was the best Batman. Fuck you.
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Is so not conservative.
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and I will whisper...NO"
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that was a GOOD one
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superhero movie...separates it from the pack.
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Probably knows more about the persona of Batman than you know of the tip of your dick. So why don't you leave the creative process to the creators and go fuck yourself.
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They chose the main track form the soundtrack to the WORST (I mean worse than Captain America 1990 and Fantastic Four 1994 WORST) superhero movie ever???
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paced to the trailer...I gotta say it worked great! And may have redeemed a decent song from the filth that it has thus far been attached to.
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shot of The Comedian walking through the burning field in 'Nam....that chills me everytime I see it.
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I ment he'll rape you with his two penises he calls legs.
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"Watchmen" only really works in a Cold War setting, because that's when it was written, that's what political climate inspired it and that's where the prime plot point sits. It's set primarily in 1987 ("current day"). There are significant flashbacks to 1976-77 (Rorschach's backstory and the police riot scenes), the early '70s (Vietnam), 1966-67 (Crimebusters), 1959-1960 (Jon becomes Manhattan), and 1939 (the Minutemen). A number of other years, related to the events of those major settings, are included in flashback, mostly in Jon's story.
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...it won't all be like that in the film right? We don't have 300 2: Watchmen on the way, RIGHT?
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It's actually the slow version of the single they released off the B&R soundtrack. Both versions were used as bookends to the soundtrack. I admit, it's a good song (made shortly before the Pumpkins started to really suck) but it's just weird that they would use a song made for the worst comic book movie of all time. Someone had to have noticed that.
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I applaud you. Thank the world we have someone thinking logically and not just bitching and moaning.
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It's moody, but wouldn't something by Pale Horse or Krystallnacht have evoked the period more clearly? Red D'eath has a far more interesting voice than Corgan.
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Thanks. Any particular post? I have to say that Gibbons's approval didn't convince me as he's the artist. So talented and in his style perfectly suited to the task - he's merging Curt Swan with artists like Bolland - but still someone who drew what Moore scripted in agonizing detail, panel by panel and page by page. I hope he's right.
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... gotta admit that's one amazing trailer. I still think the book is unfilmable but kudos for an absolutely amazing ad.
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Yeah RBATTY I kinda figured it was some slow version they did
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and I think maybe they purposely took the main track from the worst superhero movie and like as a kind of in-joke edited the trailer to match that slow version and made it work beautifully...like I said I haven't seen trailer music match the trailer so wonderfully in a long time than when Comedian is shown burning the fields in 'Nam
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is only for the trailer...which it makes for a beautifully edited trailer...but I wanna see those scenes in real speed....the only thing I saw that looked awesome in the slo-mo was how it slowed frame just as Comedian was thrown out the window. THat was pretty great effect.
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HOLY ***** ****!!!
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it is not so cool to show Comedian thrown out the window and then give us our intro shot of Ozymandias after that. Because knowing the comic I can tell that those two scenes are from different parts of the movie....but the moving going public may remember seeing that as though he was shown in the scene just after pushing Comedian out. That is kind of a silly edit that can really spoil one of the book's many mysteries....I just hope for those that haven't seen it that it can keep its SIXTH SENSE LEVEL SURPRISE completely spoiler free. I gotta say that is my only regret in this film is that I already know the amazing twist...but it is still gonna be sweet!
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I never heard of this Marvel title...:(
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I mean I like it, but the world looks just a bit to unreal for me. Not authentic. To staged.
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Seconded on the slomo. Blake going out the window is perfect, though. If it doesn't recreate the image from the comic exactly it replicates the mood and adds the element of motion while allowing Blake to hang for that precious, Wile E Coyote moment before bad turns into horrendous.
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The cinematography's nice and all, but my favorite shot in this trailer is that one of The Comedian, because it's just SO spot-on, and before this trailer I was a little worried about that casting.
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Dark Knight!!! I have never seen a comic trailer where I can identify every single frame from the corresponding comic scene it came from and that is pretty great!
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SPOILER!
I agree with Dogmatic. They need to move the shot of Ozy somewhere else in the trailer. It should NOT appear right after the Comedian gets tossed. I know a lot of people already know the source material, but Snyder should try as best he can to preserve the nifty twist for anyone coming at this with fresh eyes.
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I'm a little bit offended on behalf of Dave Gibbons for eneryone who's saying things like that. It's true certain things were intentionally 'goofy', like the Night Owl costume for example, which does in the trailer, too. But complaints about Rorschach looking cool against the storm background and stuff like that are way off base because Gibbons produced many cool and iconic images, and it's only right that the film should create fluidly moving equivalents.
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bite it you haters. this WILL kick ass. id bet your nuts if you had any
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Smashing fucking shitty Pumpkins?!?!? How many fucking songs from the 80's and before are directly referenced in the books? Not to mention nothing but a bunch of crap slow-mo action scenes strung together with almost no dialog? It may be a passable movie but it wont be Watchmen.
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it's a step down compared to the use of NIN's "Just like you imagine" from the 300 trailer... but it worked nevertheless.
Even if while watching it my mind immediately screamed "Nipples on Clooney!" as surely as the RDJ/Paltrow chemistry smelled like Kilmer/Kidman in Batman Forever... There are sour tastes you can't get rid of, but unlike some pessimistic peers here I'm cautionously optimistic about Snyder. He managed to deliver a solid Romero remake and that is no small feat. -
This son of a bitch looks like he might be able to pull it off. The Owlship looks incredible. Rorshach's mask moves! The ice ship on mars looks beautiful. Dr. Manhattan looks perfect. On the surface, everything looks top notch. But the real question is, did he get the details right? Details such as certain Sign-wielding trash-pickers in the background. And of course..the thing that will make or break this movie with the fanboys (myself included)..the ending. What exactly goes down in New York.
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Doc Manhattan does wear those black undies a lot in the comic so that works...acutally in the 'Nam scenes of the comic he wore a full body covering black spandex...FYI...I'm out for DARK KNIGHT YAY!
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I don't think anybody falls for that anymore.
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Not identical, but the same feel definitely.
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FIRST-they have tried to do as close to a literal FRAME BY FRAME adaptation of the comic as possible. SECOND-not that I haven't said it before, but the Black Freighter sequence will be done in 2d cel animation for the delux dvd version of the film. THIRD-my boy at Imageworks says that the trailer they finished for Comicon on Friday will be WAY more action-packed and 'Rband-ish' so stay tuned. FOURTH-bite my ass to all the haters. This looks awesome and you f-ing know it! Is it 2009 yet?!?!?!?!
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..when you just have to not think about all the things that could be changed, or ill-conceived, or poorly realized and just go ahead and be excited about something in the face of all the titanic comic francise failures of yester-yore. This looks cool as hell and I'm excited, I declare this one nit beyond all picking. I tell you what stands in this movies favor and what has made this the greatest superhero movie summer ever, is that technology has finally caught up with the subject matter. Think about it, hasn't that always been the fatal flaw all along, the little compromises, the huge compromises, the hacking and outright concept slaying because they couldn't make a guy juggle a car, or throw a whale or whatever else you gotta do to make the super heroic appear that way. So you change the costume, or get rid of it altogether, and instead of throwing some perfectly-balanced prototype shield he tosses around a big painted plastic salad bowl, and perhaps the Incredible Hulk wears plainly visible green-painted deck shoes and launches guys into piles of empty cardboard boxes. And now they can do all they dream and make it seem as real and believable as as anything ever put to film and what a glorious time it is for cool superhero movies. God bless us....every one.
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In my most proud geek moment of all my life, I personally got to make the call as to whether Doc Manhattan was circumcised or not! *basks in the glow of geekish glory and awaits flaming*
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The aerosol can that Rorschach is using as a torch says Veidt on it.
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Zack Snyder is starting to make an impression on the films. little early to call him this generation's kubrick, but visually, he's changing how films look.
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http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/watchmen/index.html
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From what I've seen, this looks like a fairly respectful adaptation and ought to be a lot of fun. When's it coming out again?
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Captures the look, feel and emotion of the comic perfectly. Now lets hope the movie is as good.
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Here's a link to The Mindscap of Alan Moore fim trailer and you'll see what I mean.
http://tinyurl.com/5waxap
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Some of the most moving images & sounds to ever grace my eyes!
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Jul 17, 2008 6:47:48 PM CDT
Okay, I'm gonna get some shit for this, but I'm just going to go
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2 fucking minutes of footage, and it should be obvious to anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that Snyder has nailed it. I'm going to go all out and say hes making an awesome film. I feel it in my gut, and it's never wrong except when I've just had the Pepper Steak at the chinese buffet, but thats neither here nor there.
All you nay-sayers, go fuck youselves, or call me and I'll come over and do it for you. When I'm through with you, you'll be singing this trailer praises like it was the fucking 10 commandments and Snyder was Heston himself. -
That's just so very weird.
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I hate hyper-bole but I got fucking chills! Doc. Manhattan looks amazing! I don't want my hopes up too much but fuck me, it looks just like the graphic novel (or at least as close to it as you can get). I'm excited to say the least.
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But otherwise it looks pretty sweet. Hope he nails it.
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Totally lost...
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You'd be all Mr. Hyde on their Invisible Asses.
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Indeed. Hmm someone should rip movies in this format.. I mean, ehm.. whatever
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Holy shit this looks fantastic. I'm not a reader of comic-books. This is probably the only graphic novel I've ever read. and the strengths of its (almost moving) images, characters and story blew me away. I can't wait to see this (the trailer) on the big screen. Will there be a Redband-thing in which Doc Manhattan attacks Vietnamese people naked?
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See Big Barda! See how she exercises! Big Barda is TOUGH! Big Barda is INCREDIBLY strong! Big Barda comes from APOKOLIPS!!!
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or walk into the theater cold?
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THAT LOOKS FUCKING GREAT
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Snyder has only made a name on delivering a shockingly so-so remake of a horror classic (when everyone merely expected absolutely horrible) and a bombastic spectacle adaptation of a bombastic spectacle. Watchmen is NOT 300, yet all the people are just as glossy and beautiful: Nite Owl is toned and buff and latexed out, Laurie is less innocent and dressed for nostalgia and more S&M mag girltoy, completely self-assured and badass - WTF? Not the same character. The production design is WAY too fake and glossy; the Nam scenes look like an abstract kabuki theater, and that kind of deliberate artificiality is fine in other comic book films, but doesn't work with the grungy, grimy world of Watchmen. Nobody and none of the sets seem worn, dirty, used-up; everything is clean and HD'ed down to the last detail. The constant slo-mo better not be in the movie either because it's completely inappropriate for this film, which needs to be grimy and visceral, not overproduced. All in all I'm thinking Aronofsky should've taken it. I truly hope Snyder proves me wrong. Oh, and Ozymandias looked so fucking stupid.
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Is that at Ozymandias's arctic outpost at the end of the novel? I don't quite remember why he screams like that.
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i watched this earlier but didnt post...had to link it on my myspace bulletins....
hopefully the effects will get better...Dr. Manhattan looks too glowy and misty or something...just looks like a floating special effect...And a little too much slow motion...hopefully thats just for the trailers. Other than that...looks rad!!!!!!!!!! YAY people we're finally getting Watchmen! -
Good question. I'd say read it first. If the film doesn't work, then the experience of the book won't be tainted for you afterward. I feel sorry for people who saw & liked "V For Vendetta" without reading the book. They didn't know they'd just drunk day-old Pabst when fine wine was sitting on the shelf.
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NO pre-60's stuff - good observation. Hadn't noticed that. I wonder why that is (because the costumes would look too stupid for the general audience's introduction to Watchmen?).
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go cold my friend...if it's anything like the GN you'll enjoy it. I say go ahead and buy the GN cause you're gonna wanna read it when you get home.
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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No sequel, no spin off, no worries. Snyder is coming off 300 with enough cred to make this project a reality (let's hope he also has enough juice for the studio to release his edit), but everyone predicting the film's lack of mainstream appeal and box office potentials, shut the fuck up. This is a comic book movie that CAN bomb, it's got the freedom to do so, let the studios worry about their pocket books and just sit back and enjoy what looks like a kick ass adaptation. (though the trailerreally should have dug up some kick ass 80ssong, for extra geek cred)
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at the beginning....looks way fake...like i said hopefully tis will all be fixed
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I got chills. Awesome, awesome trailer.
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Believe it or not, I had a similar situation with LOTR. I saw FOTR cold, enjoyed it, didn't want to wait a year to see what would happen in "The Two Towers", read it, got hooked on Tolkien, and was soon reading anything Tolkien I could get my hands on. . . now all we need is a "Silmarillion" movie!!
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ignorance is bliss right? i say wait...
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...Wow. I didn't think I could be anymore excited to see Dark Knight tomorrow. Can't wait to see this trailer in the theater. Fucking amazing!
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of a movie. This trailer tells us nothing about the quality of the film. It could be Zach Snyder's audition reel. The performances will make or break the film.
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Jul 17, 2008 7:16:15 PM CDT
It'll be a boring movie, just like the comic.
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Sorry.
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READ THE BOOK FIRST. Then & only will you appreciate the fucking MIRACLE of this film having been made. Most of us have waited 20 years for this. Mother.Fucking.HALLELUJAH.
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and for the Love of God are you people excited or what this shit !!! FUCK! AH! CANT ! SPEAK! WATCHMEN! MOVIE! HOLY EFF!!!!!Like seriously just shoot me in the face after this is over cause i can die happy.
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They did it.
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seriously i'm stoked! like i've never posted this much wtf watchmen ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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I know what you're sayin'. I can only imagine the visceral cinematic impact the ending would have on someone going in cold. It's a toss up.
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with a buddy is a major comic/GN aficionado all afternoon discussing that very topic. He said he wants me to read it so bad he'll buy it for me!! A little over the top, but if Watchmen creates that much passion I think reading it beforehand as a "virgin" would be a worthwhile investment
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I still LOVE the books way more, but I didn't think they did a terrible job with the movie, all things considered. Does this mean I am a bad person? Also, I agree about Watchmen--READ THE BOOK FIRST!!!!! There is NO OTHER OPTION...
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"The water look fake" hahaha, Jesus H. The movie won't come out for another 8 MONTHS. Yeah I'm sure they'll fix that, and Dr. Manhattan will look even more stunning.
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I've read the GN 20 times and parts of it many more. Really. That much of an Alan Moore geek. So - Jon's clothes. In 1960 he's covered from neck to foot, except for his hands. By '66 only his torso is covered. In Vietnam he's down to the teeny bikini we see in the trailer, more or less. A good bit of his ass hangs out of that. By the late '70s he's nude.
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aplenty, but directores improve with time, especially in light of their past experiences.
Snyder has said all he aimed to make with 300 was a fun film, I think he understands Watchmen is considered the Bible of comics, and it won't be cock full of gratuitous slo mo, and other bullshit.
The trailer has me pumped, the look feels dead on for a comic book adaptation of the Watchmen. Some ppl may have prefered a purely gritty take, but that would have muzzled the comic visuals of the original novel.
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but it looks pretty sweet - Manhattan looks great, as does the martian fortress - keeping my fingers crossed...
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I just hope they sort of explain it, because i think the average moviegoer may not pick it all up, and you can't put a movie down and think about it.
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Is in the story. Slo-mo shots are there to allow people who have no idea about this epic novel to become intrigued to see the film. Film is a different medium. Who the fuck would not stylize action sequences? Probably the same people who would leave the camera stagnant hoping for Gibbons' images to 100% apparent with no medium translation. Fucking Elitists. It's a movie, be glad we get one!
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The trailer should have been just Rorschach moving through the city and narrating from his diary, with flashes of the other characters...
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For I AM the Kwisatz Haderach!
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that they'll prolly fix it....minor quibble...compared to the fact that i'm going to go smoke a cig now cause after watching the HD trailer for effing WATCHMEN i feel like i just had sex
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read it first or dont read it first either way you'll love it. But hey...i've read it and i'm excited like a mother fucker so I want EVERYONE to be able to feel as good as i feel right now so you guys are right...READ IT FIRST!
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..or did they just use some *body suit* ? He looks big
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AMAZING. I'm blown away.
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if you're willing to have the major plot twists spoiled, but isn't that the case with many adaptations? As a reward, you'll have 10-12 reading hours of what's still the most significant (and, IMO, the best) superhero story ever told.
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If they chose this song specifically as a reference to BATMAN & ROBIN, that right there is some dry, cool wit. In the film, Snyder should ONLY be using 80s tunes: Killing Joke, Black Flag, The Clash, Shriekback, Gang Of Four, PiL etc..
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I'd see this in my lifetime!
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behind Veidt, once the suit-nipple tunnel-vision horror wore off. At least there is an obvious age difference between that and the EW cover. *clutches at straws*
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looks waaay too much like 300 set in modern times, only worse cgi. Doc looks like something homemade, not a million dollar cgi thing.
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I have no idea what Watchmen is about but if I did I'd probably be excited right now. It looks fucking bizarre.
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that looks fucking terrible......nah i'm kidding, but i wanted to say that ive never read the comic and never plan to so i have no expectations and shit and i gotta say, it looks pretty cool. based on what i kept hearing and reading, i didnt think it would look so "fantastical" and shit, i expected a more reality based thing, sorta like the new batmans. i was pleasantly surprised. i'll definately give it a look when it comes.
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this looks nothing like i expected but now i realize it looks exactly like it should, having been done by zach snyder...i guess i had a little hope that the greatness of the source material would drown out his hackiness, but looks like i was wrong. "from the visionary director of 300", indeed.
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The best trailer I have ever seen. I'm not a fan of Corgan, but it works perfectly here. It looked like much more of a second-trailer than a teaser though. That didn't tease me, it taunted me.
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but this looks pretty damn cool so far. Looks better than Hellboy and Hancock combined.
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Normally, I'm a big fucking skeptic and naysayer, but Dr. Manhattan looks cool, the Comedian looks cool, Rorschach looks cool...
Ozy looks like a puny gimp, but everything else looks fucking COOL. I'm getting a bit excited.
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shouldnt he be a bit more bulked and beautiful? like that guy in generation kill...anyway, i love finally knowing lots more than the avg movie goer, who right now is going...WTF WAS THAT!!!???
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"They'll all look up and say, 'Save Us!'"..."And I'll look down and say 'No.'".I'm gonna go for the Rorschach, and I'm gonna stay for the Comedian. As a bit of a social liberal, I gots me a soft spot for two Right-Wing kooks. :)Actually, at the website, there's a badass webisode about the costumes that shows some pretty cool shit if you're a big fan of the comics.What can I say? Give it up for a guy who knows how to shoot a fucking comic. My only gripe, and believe me, it's a tiny one, is that the Martian Sphere-thingy didn't look like a bunch of gears for a clock. One of the pieces of visual symmetry all through the book which makes me as a writer thoroughly envy guys like Alan Moore, whose minds work like 3-D chess as they write. Either that, or Moore has a shitstorm of notes between projects as he's writing. This is a brilliant novel (not just comics, boys and girls, I'm talking NOVEL, like 'Slaughterhouse Five' and 'A Clockwork Orange' and '1984'. Alan Moore...this might shut him up. ...Nah. But I still love the hairy bastard. ;)
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the song is the one from batman and robin...but the alternative cut...NIPPLES ON OZY BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OMG HOLY CRAP SWEET JESUS PRAISE MARY HAIRY LARRY COPA COBANA TAILPIPE BANANA!! PLUG MY JAPANESE INTERNS' ANUS!!! FILL A CANOLE WITH DOODIE AND STUFF IT DOWN MY THROAT!!
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Snyder has a visual style working here that is hard to get into words, but I think I'll try. It's like each shot, which look ripped from the pages of the book, by the bye, seem to begin just before the scene in the book, and flow through the panel, and away from it, capturing each moment on the page and putting it on the screen. Fuck, this guy might just be that damned good. He had me at the Richard Cheese song in 'Dawn of the Dead'.
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freebasing in the 1970s.
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so got on here ..reading all this shit about how this is trailer is the 2nd comin' of fucking JEBUS. I finally watched it and.... its ok. It looks aite, it definatley wasnt fucking AMAZING or anything.
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IKnowStuff's very sarcastic posting. Comic books/Graphic novels aren't the end all be all of films. Hell, three of the best top tier films last year had to offer were westerns.
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Were they to do that they'd change the entire structure of the story. Bad idea, though not as bad as having Veidt try to shoot pre-Manhattan Jon through a time tunnel and wind up shoving several characters into an alternate universe.
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For those of you who don't want to wait.. Look for "Official Watchmen Trailer"...
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Even if this movie looks like the stupidest thing you've ever seen, read the book. You think you're a superhero fan now? Yeah... read the book. You have no idea what a good superhero story is like until you have.
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I don't think this trailer has nearly as much weight as 300 or Sin City (both recent movies that had incredible visuals and exciting trailers.) I think we just wanted to see footage so badly, that they could have shown us Zach Snyder taking a dump in an alley, and we would have loved it. I think the choice of Smashing Pumpkins was nowhere near as inspired as NIN or The Servant. I think as a trailer, it succeeds and fails at the same time. I have more I could say on the matter, but I don't know how many of you read what others really post.
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Personally, I would have held out for footage of JEH as Rorschach taking a dump in an alley. It would be ALMOST in character.
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I read it (at least twice a year for the last decade) I notice something new. It really is a masterpiece.
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Christ whats next, people saying it looks too much like the comic. If you think you can do better why aren't you making movies, better yet why didn't you make this movie
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Don't have very good retention and comprehension levels. This is gonna venture into some spoilerish territory, but fuck, you guys keep harping on shit, and I gotta say SOMETHING.First, Ozymandias doesn't want to get the gang back together...that's Capt. Metropolis. Ozymandias thinks it would be a good idea, until he learns that the Comedian is just as smart as he is, and hits the nail on the head.Second, Nite Owl looks that way because it's from the scenes in the 60s and 70s when he and Comedian are breaking up the Police Strike riots. He was buff and toned back then.The only one here who seems out of place might by Ozymandias, but in the book, he's portrayed as a forever-youthful guy who was fond of Alexander the Great. Seems like this blonde ponce fits that bill entirely.And I take back the comment I made above, because it was my first reaction. There's clockwork and gears aplenty in this badboy and fuck, man, Snyder's definitely got the look of this shit down, and Rorschach works.To the haters, hate on brothers, I ain't listening. But you should check this shit out or torrent it or however you get your hands on it just for the Rorschach shit. No fucking lie, man. Rorschach is the fucking man.God, I hope they keep the 'NEVER.' scene in there as a flashback. Again, I say, Rorschach is the fucking swinging hairy dog's bollocks.
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To the uninitiated, that trailer is a mess. If you haven't read the book you will have no idea what message that trailer is trying to get across. Millions of Dark Knight watchers will scratch their heads when this trailer plays this weekend and say, "WTF?"
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Love the trailer. Hate the song. If you haven't read the book and are wondering whether to read it... YES!!! Not just one of the best comics ever, but one of the best things ever!!! Even if everyone involved in the movie and all the footage is destroyed today, for gods' sake, read the fuckin' book!!! ASAP!!!
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I read the book years ago, and repeatedly do so every year. This looks pretty dark, and spot on with the tone of the book. I personally can't wait.
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Roland? Ban time?
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Bedtime, dipshit. Take your mom's dick out of your mouth and hit the Transformers sheets. 5 minutes, young man.
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Black Freighter starring the Phantom of the Opera. Kelly Slater drops the Chico's Bail Bonds uni to become Rorschach. Max Headroom morphs into Moloch. Is it too much to think they actually pulled this whole thing off? So far, I'm in. Just don't change the story, and I think we're counting the days...
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Hey! You loved 300 right? Well that was based on a graphic novel...so you know those are cool now right? Now, the guy that did 300 is doing a movie based on the most acclaimed graphic novel of all fracking time....so ...we know to expect you. That's what it says....and it says that well.
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Killer handle, man. 'And four...I've got six more points.' If that's who you're named for. Anyway, I forgot about the fucking badassness that is Moloch...It seems like this isn't gonna be a little movie, it's going to be a big ass movie, and that makes me happy.
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I find it odd to say the least that everyone picked up on Ozy as so young and so dark from the very beginning but Snyder has not. BUT I'm hoping there may be an actual reason for this instead of miscasting.
Put simply Ozy is Charles Atlas in a costume that befits Egyptian Royalty. There are reasons for both of these things in the novel and it surely can't be overlooked that he HAS to be old enough for the early flashbacks to work. Perhaps there's some kind of fountain of youth sub-plot Snyder has thrown in and perhaps the "dark" suit only comes out at the antartic retreat. Whatever, it's not a film killer just disappointing but it is baffling since most of the other characters are correct or close enough. (Nite Owl never looks flabby in action only as Driberg and in repose.)
I agree that the floating Martian construct should be cogs and gears but I also want the Mars sequence to look like Mars and the colours are too stylised in that short clip. These are minor points indeed though as having Night Owl kick ass in the prison breakout is good as is Silk Spectres rooftop rescue becoming a little more heroic.
The Trailer works. Period.
Frankly I had no idea the music was also used for the shit Batman film, since I never watched it and never wanted to. So perhaps that's why it works all the more for me.
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but going to see Dark Knight -- and be greeted with this Watchmen Trailer would be way, way cool.
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How old are you, seriously? Just wondering, not trying to start any shit
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You can't say fairer than that !
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We've been Prick-Rolled.
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I did. Which would make it a completely ineffective insult, wouldn't it? Good night, sad fool.
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Peeing Benny - We haven't even seen that rummy Mothman, and if Gugino as Sally was in there, I missed it or thought it was Silk Spectre II. I'm thinking trailer two with Max Payne maybe in October? Quantum of Solace in November? The Punisher II in December? I don't know how those match up with distribution companies, or how much that matters, but I can't wait!
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At the same time, I kind of wish he had the guts to lose the excessive slow-mo. It's out of place here.
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I mean Maus is the most celebrated graphic novel of all time.
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... is the highest selling graphic novel, I'm pretty sure... Maus might be more celebrated...
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It wasn't a sound wave, the thing sent out a PSYCHIC death cry that was so powerful it killed everybody nearby, by making their heads explode and gave a serious headache to every latent psychic on the planet. It also sent grotesque mental images of a horrible alien culture intent on invading our world to many many people, some of whom were driven mad. "Sound wave, " tsk. I still think that till you film THIS you're a nine year old pretending to film Watchmen and running away from the real challenge that makes a man a man.
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Go big or go home! They do any of this sucker in IMAX? Was that Batman doing a voice over?
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To take a line from texters OMG! This is going to be the pinnacle of comic movies. I think this could beat TDK for best ever.
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I hope not achorite. While it does look cool so far, some of the effects in he trailer could still use some work. Manhattan looks a little too plastic like.
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The visuals can be spruced up to perfection over the upcoming months, but this movie can be breathtaking.
God Speed, Mr. Snyder!
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There's flashbacks and depending on how Snyder plays it huge backstory for almost every character.
Not forgetting that the climax to the "plot" even if is slightly different from the books will need a MAJOR amount of time in post and especially if Snyder wants there to be an element of real set to it. (which would be wise) As it needs to feel "grounded" and real to emphasize what it's all been about and what was at stake for everyone. -
after brushing up on the panels from the GN. I gotta say, you can nitpick away already, but what I'm seeing in this trailer is essentially hitting the nail on the head visually. The liberties being taken in terms of costume design and other visuals (i.e. the Mars castle) are logical to say the least. If Snyder can pull off the narrative with the same skill as the visuals, my opinion of him as a director will change rather drastically.And yes, you should always experience the original format of a given work before any adaptation of it. Read the book before seeing the movie. If the adaptation is good, it tends to heighten you're enjoyment of seeing it up on screen. I'll never forget how giddy I was picking out each character in that early trailer of LOTR where the nine come over the crest of that hill. This trailer doesn't top that experience, but it is looking damn good.
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AND HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT'S STILL INCREDIBLE
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Better than the POS Hellboy sequel I was just suckered into watching. Del Toro's made just 2.5 good movie (including the original HB)
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they have been working in post since then...in fact, they will have good sized clips ready for comic con...the release date is so far off because they want to create as much buzz as dark knight got...and this will take more time as very few know the source material
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Opinion not changed. Two clips from Vietnam, I wonder if we'll see the Comedian kill the chick ... it's a throwaway scene except for what he says to Doc Manhattan, I think they need to keep that in there.
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Should I before watching or after? It's rare that I'm interested in something like this that I know nothing about. But I am very interested. Hahaha. Those are the coolest costumes in a superhero movie I've seen in a long time. Actual color. See what happens when you aren't obsessed with boring realism? Man if only X-men could of been like this.
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Ozymandias looks like shit. The CG looks like shit too. The song was pretty good though.
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300 was a nu-metal car commercial and now Watchmen is too. Sigh
I felt like I was watching a bad Sci-fi channel 'original'. Snyder needs to go back to the frat house and leave filmmaking to those with at least an ounce of taste.
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until the summer?
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IIRC, in Watchmen comic, JFK still gets assassinated, and Doc Manhattan is with Nixon when it happens. So if JFK survives, then it's a change from the original.
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But that... say what you want-- that hits every visual beat of the story it references. I'm kind of shocked by how exactingly it seems to follow the content of the comic. Cheers.
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So I guess I never decided to read it.
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That's actually it's Achilles'Heel, being too similar to the graphic novel. Sometimes you have to adapt the story to the medium you're dealing with. 300 had that problem and looks like Watchmen will have it too.
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I gotta say, I kind of agree with their skepticism. The trailer looked amazing, beautiful even, but it didn't have the grit the comic had. Pleasebanme's points about the irony of the slow motion and hero worship shots is spot on. I can't wait to see the film, but those criticisms are certainly valid in my book.
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WTF??? why is everyone so excited about this shit?? there is so much CGI that this shit looks more fake then the freaking comic book!!! and why does everything look 'cool' the watchmen are the opposite of 'cool'... the colors are all wrong and apparently they cast 80s Lue Forigno as Dr. Manhattan...
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Bit too early to be saying what problems it will have. The problem with 300 wasn't that it adhered too closely to the source material's visuals: the problem with 300 was that it's source material was crap. Homo-erotic, pseudo-hard-boiled crap.
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"I see the world didn't end yesterday"
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--when he wastes that VC. Says everything about his character. And if they're doing that much right with characterization, I'm ready to feel good about this.
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I'm not saying it's going to suck. But I think this flick might be strictly for comic freaks.
PLUS, isn't it funny when many TBers will piss and moan about bad CG until something like this comes along and then it is excused because of their attachment to the material. I understand Snyder has a different style... look at "300". But I'm wondering what draws the line for some of you people. If that was an X-Men, Superman, or Batman trailer... as far as visuals, you'd all be pissing and moaning about the bad CG.
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just the trailer's
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its crap- Can he make anything apart from music videos?
by johnnyg korrupt
Can this wanker make anything apart from music videos? The general population will look at that and not have any idea what the fuck is going on and think its shit to get 15 yr old fanboys off. Should have made a trailer revealing a bit of the story.....On the bring of Nuclear Holocaust and someone is wacking superheroes 1 by 1. Oh and screw Billy Corgan...this crap is getting beyond a joke-so cliched nowadays. Make a visually stunning film and add techno/alternative music to it.
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Isn't this movie almost 9 MONTHS away? And you're crying about CG? I'm thankful for the trailer period. Give them a freaking chance before you whine. They're giving us a little appetizer before the main course. Not like it's the final print or anything. Babies.
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...and this looks like I never will. You are the FUCKING MAN!
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After years of coming to this site yet not being able to register, I can finally exclaim "FIRST!" and be absolutely farthest from the 1st to post...now I feel like a true Talkback-er!
ANyway, I gotta say a few things bout this:
1. I truely feel sorry for all you numbnuts who couldn't allow yourselves to enjoy this trailer. Not to be confused with the ones who just didn't digg it...I'm talking bout the self righteous nitpicking fanboy geeks who dissected it way too much....damn it sucks to be you.
2. Did ya'll ever stop to think maybe they picked that song because the SOUND, MOOD, AND LYRICS MATCHED THE VIBE THEY WERE GOING FOR?!? I really could give a rats ass if it was from the Batman & Robin soundtrack and, guess what, regular people couldn't care less either (why would anyone even confess to knowing that factoid is beyond me). So please, stop pointing it out and definitely stop trying to find deep meaning behind it's B&R connection. As for me, I liked it and I guarantee that song will be stuck in my head as I'm re-reading the GN.
C. Did you guys ever stop to think maybe Snyder uses the slow-mo shots because they allow the viewer to come as close to seeing dramatic still shots similar to comic frames without actually pausing the footage, thereby better translating the magnitude of the source material? It works for a reason people.
IV. There is no IV.
e. Funny how everybody is ripping 300 a new asshole...yet it cost $60 Mill to make and it made over $400 mill gross total....hmm....I'd call that a success in my book. Sin City: cost $40 Mill and grossed over $150 Mill so....shyeah, I think I'mma trust Snyder's vision over your fanboyish, no-frills, personalized wet dream don't-change-a-got-damn-thing versions anyday. Oh, and yes the people will go to see it, especially if it gets good reviews and good word-of-mouth.
Why're we worried about that anyway, it isn't like they can make a sequel! I just want this to be done good and to respect the GN, which judging by this trailer, it definitely does.
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..I never thought I'd see in my lifetime. A black president, a WATCHMEN movie, & a cure for cancer.
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He would of been perfect with the right script. It's a shame he doesn't have the pull he use to in Hollywood.
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I read this was between 3-4 hours long as it stands right now. I don't think Snyder wants to excise too much footage either. Kill Bill 1&2 anyone? I hope not.
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I am sure by the time I write this that the first trailers on TDK are running for the 12:01 shows. To a LOT of moviegoers who were fortunate enought to see TDK in IMAX. You are going to be blown away. Watchmen captured my attention from the second it started. It IS the most AMAZING comic book based film trailer I have ever seen. There are, in fact, two seperate trailers for Watchmen. The IMAX version is different from the 35mm version. All I can say is that the IMAX version is so stunningly beautiful that it literally made me gasp. This movie cannot fail at the box office! Anyone who is a sci fi fan, let alone a comic book fan, will be flocking to see this. Having not read the GN this is based off I have a fresh perpective on it and man, I cannot wait for it to come out. I have seent he QT version of this trailer and it does NO JUSTICE to the IMAX experience. Also, while we're on the subject, TDK in IMAX is incredible. The six sequences shot on IMAX cameras are breathtaking. It only makes me hope that filmmakers will continue to utilize these cameras to really display what a film can be. I know there is a lot of flaming on this site but guys, if you haven't seen this trailer in IMAX, you haven't seen it. Run to the nearest one you can and peek in on it. It is truly amazing!
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no, moores name will not show up anywhere, either in publicity or in the credits...it is part of the deal he worked out with warners, after that abomination league of extraodinary gentlemen...gilliam gave up on the film after talking to moore and believed (rightfully so) that it could not be done justice except in mini series format (i have accepted that this is the case, but is still believe this will be a good film) im not sure why you didnt like 300, as it was the comic book put to the screen...i take it that you didnt like the comic either...tell you one thing, this looks a hell of alot better than the spirit...and as for the music, why do so many people not get it...the original version of this song was used in a vid for batman and robin...this movie will also deconstruct our understanding of comic book movies...if zack pulls it off, he lives forever as the hero to the fan boy
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Sharton: The EW article says the current cut is about 3 hours and the studio would prefer 2:25. Not surprising. I'm of those who thinks it needs to be presented episodically, but that wasn't gonna happen. Kirktrik: Maybe Gilliam could have done it with a good script. It certainly wouldn't have been the script he and Charles whoever pulled together from bits and pieces of Sam Hamm's. As for blocking Moore from your memory, wasn't there a movie about a bunch of Victorian age literary figures fighting as a team? I must have imagined it.
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I know most of you out there are digging the trailer. I am too. This is going out to all the Hard-Core fans/nay-sayers that seem to be complaining already. First off, this is going to be the best adaptation (for Watchmen) you will ever see in your life time. It has a director that had the Go-ahead from Warners to do whatever he wants, however he wants. And the fact that Zack flat out said it's going to be a Hard-R-Rating, brutal, honest, absolute (as much as you can) 100% take from the book, and got away with it, is a miracle. Then 300 made a zillion dollars, and he got even more money and freedom. Wow!!! How can some of you people be complaining? Sure, there's a few things (such as a couple of costumes) I don't love, but I don't loathe either. They are what they are and in different mediums (such as comics to film) there is going to be differences. But let us just ponder that all differences are not mistakes. They can never take the book away from you, or how it's made you feel every time you've read it. As for some other liberties (seen in the trailer) like the 'Most Beloved Graphic Novel of All-Time'. Point Blank People! It is. Maus is a treasure, sure. But nobody in or out of the medium refer to it nearly as often as Watchmen. It's like comparing Citizen Kane to The Godfather. It would be impossible to say which is better, but you can bet your ass The Godfather is far more talked about and celebrated today. Same with Watchmen. So I don't mind that statement within the trailer. Things such as the slow motion....Ok....you might not all like it, but what's a guy to do? You can never make everyone happy. You could've shot to film "realer" like Sopranos or something, but then you'd lose to impact of the huge and theatrical moments like Nite-Owls ship or Dr. Manhattan. The context just doesn't stay the same when you cross styles like that. Slow-mo could do great things for heavy-action-emotional moments in the film, so let's not dog it just yet. If it goes way too heavy like 300 I think it'll come off as over kill, but Zack has stated that he held off the slow-mo quite a bit, compared to 300. On to Ozymandias. The age bit need not be explained in the film. As in the book, he is in his mid-forties yet resembles someone in their early to mid thirties. I hope they do leave in little things like Bubastis, his pet Lynx at the Vivarium. But overall I have strong faith there will be no issues with him. Nite Owl - I do take issue slightly with the films version (so far, from what I know). I really enjoy him as a semi-pathetic, semi-overweight, semi-over the hill hero who has no confidence in himself, at first, in the book. The movie looks to have gone it's own direction with him, but I could be wrong. the film may explain this or do something different that's equally as good. Have to wait-and-see on that one. I have Zero defense for how Dr. Manhattans Glass Fortress looks. It should have been an 100% replica from the book. There is no reason that could not have been done, and made to look just as cool. There are a few similarities, as with the jagged gears showing and such. But it looked very cool in the trailer so.....it'll come off very neat theatrically I'd guess. So jury's out on that one. And let us not forget that the film doesn't open for another 8 months. Anything can change. It wouldn't be the first time something had a drastic change CG wise from opening trailer to opening day. And it seems as though Zack respects the fans opinions quite a bit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some (probably minor) changes come at the hands of forums such as this one. Oh, and we should also applaud the fact The Black Freighter will be included with the DVD. Any other film-maker probably wouldn't have been given a budget to make a full length animated feature that would appear on a DVD only, as a supplement to a film. These kinds of things just don't happen. So let's be happy, appreciative, and embrace this. Ah hell, let's be impatient....because we want it now!!!!!!
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On the Apple website it lists Laurie and Jon Osterman in the cast, as if they were actors and not the characters. Maybe they just cut and past something off IMDB. Other than that, the trailer kicks all sorts of posterior. And I don't mind the casting of Ozy just yet, maybe there's something about him. Daniel Craig might have been a good Ozy...but we're past casting this. I want more footage. Hopefully there some of the 40's crew.
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bet he starts his day out by kicking the neighbor's dog
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shit, look at the goddamn comic panels...they scream slow-mo...especially the death of the comedian....give me a fucking break...THIS IS A FUCKING TEASER...AN ATTEMPT TO INTEREST THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN A PRODUCT THEY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF...what is so fucking hard to comprehend?
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For the director's cut DVD with all the extras...is it true they're doing the Black Freighter in cel animation for this?
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It's like a music video. I watch it over and over again. I'm trying real hard to keep my expectations for this movie in check but damn I'm getting pretty psyched up.
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That was called "The End is the Beginning is the End." The one used in the trailer is called "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning." HUGE difference, people.
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I mean, slo-mo is STILL faster than still panels in a graphic novel. It gives the viewers a chance to appreciate all the detail in the shot. Besides, slo-mo, if you think of it, is not too visually different than frozen motion in a panel. Your eye moves over the panel, you take it in, you can go back to it, you can see the detail. Slo-mo simulates that.
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but me...i am more worried about a BONE adaptation...that is a movie (0r three) i would like to see made right...Watchmen...im not worried about...BONE...i am....
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Surely ? Very cool and also shows Viegts ruthlessness isn't confined to at a distance pushbutton actions as well guarding him at a crucial time.
And the HighDef version is a MUST. As only there can you see the awesome detail properly like the Martian Construct which IS actually fairly similar to the Novel when you see it "properly".LOTR ROTK came in at how long in the cinema ? I'd say he was pushing his luck with the studio if he went much beyond that. But I wouldn't be surprised if we ALSO get a rather tasty Directors cut DVD. -
Holy crap, that was a work of art...methodically and ominously paced all the way through, but most of all...REVERENTIAL.
Oh, and it didn't do that tired-as-hell "Carmina Burana" choir thingie, or even the Peter Gabriel "Rhythm Of The Heat" drumbeat ripoff thingy either.
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Apparently BOTH versions were on the B&R soundtrack. Hmm. I wonder if Snyder and Co. were making a sly reference.
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yep, the fact this film exists is a miracle. Drieberg: If you check some of the early set photos, you can spot Dan & Laurie (their backs are turned). And yeah, Dan is definitely overweight in the photo. Maybe he wears a girdle in costume?
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If you are a comic book reader and haven't read "Watchmen", then shame on you. Buy a copy (support your LCS!) or borrow it from a fellow comic geek. Spend your Final Crisis or Secret Invasion money on a copy of "Watchmen", instead!
If you like to read fiction but have never gotten into comic books, then I would recommend that you give "Watchmen" a try. The plot centers around a murder mystery involving two generations of masked human vigilantes and a bunch of other stuff that I don't want to spoil. There's only one super powered being (Doctor Manhattan, the result of a 1959 atomic experiment mishap), so no need to fear if you aren't really into the super-human thing. The present day of the story is 1985, but the creative team uses flashbacks, fake magazine and newspaper clippings, text character autobiography excerpts, etc., to backfill the story to around 1928. There are a lot of clever techniques used to weave together this compelling work. It's not just the story, but also the way in which it is told, that garners high praise for "Watchmen". Available at Amazon.com for a little less than $14. -
Why do people like joeelliott feel that we need to hear yet another over the top negative comment from someone who obviously has anger problems from lack of parental hugging as a child? Just throwing it out there. Had to check with you guys. Hey, joeelliott, when you start making movies and putting your ass out there let us know. Until then, you mean little or nothing to anyone.
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I like the tone they've established. True, "normals" (as one Talkbacker put it) might have a hard time deciphering what the film is about, but that may actually be a GOOD thing. Never underestimate the power of intrigue. Playing it vague may help attract people who would normally be turned-off by certain story elements. Also, I never thought I'd say such a thing, but I think Snyder's use of slow motion and speed ramping may actually enhance the film. Strange how that works...
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We get it, you haven't read it, so you take the cheap and easy road of condescension. That's normal--disparage a group you don't belong to. And you're right, there is a silly batman wannabe--by the arrogance of your observation you really do capitalize the fact you haven't read it. Nite Owl IS supposed to come off as silly, but you'd know that if you read it. Fine, you're uninitiated. But you sound like the geek that wasn't invited to the party and saying the party sucked anyway. We get it that you're giving us the view of the uninitiated, we appreciate it. But lay off on the condescension.
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I'm SO not going to watch your movie and I am so not watching you NOT being conservative. Jeez aren't brats annoying?
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this trailer was for me, and the rest of us who has supported the comic book lo these many years. and who knew right off the bat that watchmen was special...so fuck you if you dont like it...
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If you read Talkbacks and other message boards a lot, you will probably end up being spoiled on one or more story points between now and when the movie is released. Consequently, you should really consider reading the damb thing to get a proper spoiling.
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..it's become clear: ZS knows EXACTLY what he's doing. This is the next MATRIX & it's going to be a massive landmark achievement in modern cinema.
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I liked the slowness of it. For the first time in I don't know how long, you could actually tell what was going on.
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But I think I want to have sex with that trailer.
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..the way he is slightly glowing and shit...it works. And his expression is great too. They clearly have lots of work to do on the CGI. This trailer is far from being great, but it is encouraging and I like how Snyder is keeping some of the iconic panels/shots from Watchmen like he did with 300.
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In his apartment talking out some of the wall. Cool. The cutlery in the atomic base canteen. Cool. Little cool things like this abound.
Oh and Ozy DOES look older in front of the bank of monitors than in other photos.(but still a bit too young and not Charles Atlas. meh, they may just be going for speed over power as we see with the gunman spinning takedown to make one particular scne at the end more believable.) -
actually makes some good points. Parts of the trailer do look goofy if you aren't familar with the source material. Actually Nite Owl seems like he lost a lot of fucking weight compared to the graphic novel, but besides that he does look like a Batman ripoff. And people will be going "WTF with the blue guy??". That being said, if I hadn't read Watchmen, I'd think this was a cool trailer because it looks so wacked out and different. But I don't know if most people like "different" that much like many of us do.
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its time some of the people in here admit that Zach's the real deal. hes a hollywood heavyweight that brings in the big crowds, and for the most part the hardcore geeks are in his corner too. thats pretty impressive.
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Jul 18, 2008 1:25:12 AM CDT
Obviously a trailer for the people familiar with the source mate
by moviemaniac-7
But if you are, it is awesomely cool.
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Can't tell much about any plot changes from the trailer... but FINALLY we have a movie that stays faithful to how things look in the original comic book. No putting everyone in black spandex (I'm looking at you, X-men). No BS changes from the original powers (*cough* organic webshooters *cough*). Just the original, great look and feel of the comic, rendered in awesome detail on the big screen. YEEEESSSSS! I think 300 taught Zach how to adapt a graphic novel faithfully and he is absolutely the right choice for this material.
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In this case, there is no question.
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Christ some people really are stretching to try and rubbish this.
The song is for the trailer and bears more than a passing resemblance to an Alan Moore Documentary trailers tune. Who says it will even be IN the final Movie ? And if you associate it with Batman and Robin more fool you for watching that pile of shit.
Have you SEEN some of the pics of Batmans costume from The Dark Knight ? I've got News for you it's a plastic and rubber suit that looks like a bat. Nite Owl isn't much sillier. (considering it was intentionally meant to be inherently faintly ridiculous for the purposes of the plot.)
So they actually used C.G. Lazy bastards. Why didn't they get a Camera crew out to mars ? Or build a colossal glass artifact or a working flying owlship or clone a 100foot tall superhuman. It's CG gone mad!
I've quibbles with this but they are trivial and this trailer kicks every other trailer into touch just now. Man up and accept it. For it be truth.
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One more thing: After reading talkback after talkback where readers bash some movie or director, it is easy to think that the readers are all haters who have nothing good to say about anything or anybody. This trailer, and the talkback it generated, shows us all that if filmmakers do a good job, they will get love and respect in return. Hats off to Zach, and here's hoping the full movie lives up to this trailer.
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..walking down the steps just replaced "Jennifer Connelly riding a mechanical horse" as my go-to definition of cinematic sexiness.
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Easy way to tell if the trailer has peaked folks interest. See if Watchmen suddnely starts rising high in any bestseller lists like Amazon or the New York Times.
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There wasn't any NIN in 300.
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I've never read Watchmen before, but this trailer is fantastic. Now that "the dawn has come" Watchmen is officially my most anticipated movie next to Benjamin Button
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"The Beginning is the End is the Beginning" by the Smashing Pumpkins. This is actually a B-side of the song that they wrote for the Batman and Robin Soundtrack, titled "The End is the Beginning is the End"
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god...if you are gonna be a dumbass...be an intelligent dumbass and read the comic
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Yeah, anyone who says that can suck a dick. This movie looks beautiful and enthralling.
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Jul 18, 2008 2:44:15 AM CDT
I wonder if using the Batman Forever Soundtrack was intentional.
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Just go to YouTube and look up the Watchmen movie trailer. I can't believe I wasted 30 minutes downloading Quicktime software and it didn't work???!!!Minutes later, I just went to YouTube and there it was...no wait, no downloading, just point and click.
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Jul 18, 2008 3:06:31 AM CDT
Isn't it amazing how everyone agrees what the greatest graphic n
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Best movie, best TV show, best QB, best pizza...always debate and disagreements.. Best graphic novel. Watchmen...end of fucking debate. Most everyone who has read it agrees. Alan Moore is a god among ants or was when he wrote it at least. Miracleman kicks ass too as do others of course.
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and Nite Owl and Silk Spectre don't look anything like the comic...too young and in shape, but I can deal with it. It looks like they nailed Manhattan and that is what I thought would be the toughest. He looks kind of fake, but that might work in the context of the story as he is supposed to be otherworldly to an extent.
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I can't stop looking at it! GAHHH!!!
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Hee hee!
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Changing the climax will only work if Snyder has something very, VERY good in it's place. There are clear problems over making the original climax "filmable" but it was what it was for good reasons. And while undeniably strange it was also horrific and effective.
It's threads also run through the entire story so whatever he's cooking up will have to seamlessly fill in the gaps left by the original plotline.
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Not your typical trailer. A lot of odd imagery... Batman + Fantastic Four x Sin City / Sky Captain???. Who is that smokin hot red head though? Damn.
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Hey Harry...
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My one day off I saw Hellboy early and TDK at midnight, wasn't on here all day had NO IDEA about the trailer. Had a full blown nerdgasm in a silent packed theater.
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I wasn't pre-hating... I was pre-DICTING. Based on the numerous talkbacks I've read, I know that there are some folks who will dislike anything that's not exactly the way their fevered masturbatory fantasies have gone. That's not irony, that's experience. Seems to me there have been plenty of people grasping at straws to pick the movie apart based on two minutes of rapidly edited trailer. I stand by my original post(s).
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Besides fans of an old graphic novel, who the hell is going to see this? I'm sure I'll get killed for saying it, but come on...
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Yes, the trailer proved to geeks that they got the "look" of Watchmen mostly correct for the film. To the masses, though, all that it showed was a Batman clone surrounded by a Mutant X team. The muddled story was lost in the excessive visuals. Was that enough to draw in the great unwashed? I don't think so, especially considering the no-name cast.
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I have read the book well over a dozen times now, discovering something new each time, and I gotta say, it was surreal finally seeing the pages come to life on a huge screen like that. However, while some tasty money shots were present and accounted for, I gotta wonder if the film can cover as much as the book did. It's A LOT of material.
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Watched the trailer. Looked interesting. Read about Watchmen on Wiki. Watched the trailer again. Don't need to see the film.
[SPOILERS ?] Comedian thrown through window, shot of Ozy. Night Owl screaming, shot of Manhattan. Well done editors. Oh an you can see Nixon's name on the screens behind black-suited Ozy.
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the teaser was indeed for the fans...zach knows that in order to create buzz he must make the fans of the book believe that he has indeed captured its essence...yes, nite owl looks like a batman clone...its on purpose, as even moore makes clear in all of his intervies....yes, ozy's suit is patterned on the batman and robin suits...zack has noted that this has been done purposefully as while the comic deconstructed comic book heroes, the movie will also deconstruct comic book movie heroes...and this was the teaser...it wasnt narrative, so no one but a fan would have a clue what was going on...but the buzz is that it has spurred at least some to pick up the comic....now i dont expect either of you to read this, as it is apparent neither of you read any of the previous posts...but know this, if zack was succesful, where others feared to tread, he will have the gratitude of all the fans of the book...and fuck the great unwashed...they can watch hancock 2 for all i care
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bring it on nerds!!!! Keep posting.
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bring it on nerds!!!! Keep posting.
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sounds like my pet name for Harry's ass.
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as the credits roll on Dark Knight you can actually hear Zach Snyder shit his pants. seriously, that man is, as we speak, curled up in a fetal position somewhere wondering how in the hell he's supposed to follow up the greatest comic book movie ever.
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will they bring it.
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and i'm sure someone's already mentioned it, but why, in a trailer filled with every other detail from the book being utterly fucking perfect, is the Comedian not wearing his mask in the Vietnam shot. took me four viewings of the trailer(including seeing it on TDK) to realize that that was what was off in that shot. in addition, where was Nite Owl jumping down onto a street in the book?
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Come on guys ye can't be serious, this trailer sucks big time. I wanna see The Comedian blowing people off with a machine gun, not all this comic book crap. Where's Arnold by the way ? He was supposed to play Dr Manhantan and the Comedian !
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http://tinyurl.com/5m2hzz
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There are some sad and pathetic people on this site.
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What a massive talkback. Anyway, that trailer made me happy. Yes, I, too, wonder about the slo-mo/reset-to-normal-speed stuff. And I understand what the complaints are based on. But it's cool - it's a different medium, it has different vocabulary. If people had the Internet in '63, would they be complaining about the movie version of To Kill A Mockingbird not having enough Calpurnia? Or the snowman/fire? or how Dolphus Raymond got cut? The movie is the movie - you have the book, read it for what it is. Personally, I feel there are many movies that do the book one better thanks to stylistic choices (Jaws and the Godfather being the most celebrated, but Mann's Last of The Mohicans also comes to mind)and even great books are well served by intelligent understanding of both the medium of film and its advantages and limitations (thinking of things like American Psycho)/P
I'll wait - the trailer has me optimistic for the most, but what I am really interested in is how it will work as a movie, not as a copy of the book. If they keep the moral questions and cross-decade complexity of narrative, I'll be happy. Well, happier still if they use the slo-mo sparingly. -
...i dont like the slowmo stuff he used in 300 but we will see...i want to hear the Rohrschachlike "hurrmm"
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that trailer was fucking awesome. He's gonna pull this off.
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If it weren't for Pop Will Eat Itself's reference to the Watchmen in one of their (ace) songs i would never have gotten into the comics all those years ago. Anyone agree. Just use the Requiem ost. That'll do for me lol.
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I was nervous about how they would portray Dr. Manhattan, but that's about as good as it gets. Yes, it looks like 300, but that can work for this -- I hope.
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Not only was that one of the best trailers I have watched in a long time, it truly looked like that have nailed the Watchmen. I was worried at first, but now I am so excited.
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Alan Moore, according to some, wrote Watchmen to be a genre killer. to make people dislike superhero stories. with that piece of info, would it not stand to reason that Snyder(or one of his crew) tossed in that song to deliberately make a reference to the worst superhero movie ever? to tell us that despite the decent stuff you can get, as a whole the genre is full of shit?after chewing on it all night, i've decided Zack knows exactly what he's doing with this. hope i'm right.
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...about the movie adaptions of his work are the huge cheques, yet oddly doesn't refuse pwrmission when approached. Odd that.
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His voiceover / journal notes – are not supposed to be a cool and tough – they are a measure of his unstable mind and deluded self-aggrandising nature. Hearing them used that way makes me nervous , but I can reserve judgement.
Look at “V for Vendetta” – the film utterly and completely missed (or changed) the subtle political and emotion points of the novel, but people still mistakenly raved about it as a perfectly faithful adaptation of Moores work. Overall I don’t give a shit how this film looks as long as it captures the tone and sentiment – and a great part of that is that these characters aren’t, for the most part, admirable: and in fact very few of them are in any way likeable.
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I don't care about those of you who didn't likeit. All that matters to me is that I liked it. And I liked it a lot. There is a part of me that still says that this can't be done. But it's nearly a year before release and still a lot that will be done to it yet. I have to say however that what I see in this trailer makes me a happy bunny indeed.
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As to the pumpkins– one of the books main themes is (fearful) symmetry. The use of "The End Is the Beginning Is the End" is one of the things that gives me hope that Snyder is more subtle than the flash-bang of the trailer suggests. It’s like Snyders tip of the hat to Moores Chapter ending song lyrics mirroring the stories themes. Clever stuff.
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Is the song on the trailer itself "the Beginning
is the End
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...was my jaw hitting the deck.Wow.
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Magnificent. Even if the film isn't up to scratch at least we can always watch the trailer. Best since 'The Two Towers' with the Requiem Soundtrack. A real step-up from 300 (which i wasn't a great fan of). I'm sure Alan Moore is going to bed tonight with a fucking HUGE grin on his chops.
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because of the money he'll make, right? not cuz hes happy about the movie?cuz he won't be happy with the movie.
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Jul 18, 2008 7:47:05 AM CDT
Those suggestion Snyder 'doesn't get it' or makes it look to coo
by raw_bean
...should read the Entertainment Weekly piece: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213273,00.html A choice quote: "In my movie, Superman doesn't care about humanity, Batman can't get it up, and the bad guy wants world peace". It also mentions the first thing Patrick Wilson doing to prepare for Night Owl was put on weight to give himself a pot-belly/paunch. And it includes a picture of what looks to be the young Comedian about to try and rape Silk Spectre. Sounds to me like he's doing it right.
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but thats the easy stuff. i think what most folks (and me included) are worried about is the ending.cuz Wall-E can't come back to life in this story.
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My only complaint - not even that, a quibble - is that it's a little too glossy. Watchmen should feel almost real, like you can reach out and touch it. The last shot of Rorshach in the rain looked a little too much like something out of a Michael Bay movie, which is NOT what Snyder is going for, I'm sure.
Aside from that, it's a great trailer - love the Smashing Pumpkins song. It's got that subversive feel to it that I got from the graphic novel. Dr. Manhatten looks fantastic. Silk Spectre is hot, but looks badass. The Comedian looks right. All good. -
Yeah, and you're an asshole zikade zarathos!!!! Enjoy it for what it is! Comic, film are SEPARATE ENTITIES FOR CHRISTSAKE!
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I remember "The End Is the Beginning Is the End" from Batman and Robin,
This I think is the slower version with different lyrics "The Beginning Is the End Is the Beginning"
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Marvel style cross over with JLA for Watchmen 2.
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Alan Moore doesn't take any royalties of the films based on his work, he gives it all to the illustrators!
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Don't let this suck. Trailer blew me away, can't wait to see it on the big screen.
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'I mean I like it, but the world looks just a bit to unreal for me. Not authentic. To staged.'
It WAS filmed in a studio for God's sake!!
I really don't understand some people! WE HAVE A LIVE-ACTION WATCHMEN MOVIE HAPPENING NEXT YEAR!!! JUST FUCKING ENJOY IT AND STOP MOANING!!!!!!!
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Alan Moore is calling Hollywood right now to get his name in the credits.
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If so Synder is a ball-less cunt and a baby.. EW's Watchmen issue: "Sure, there have been changes. The catastrophic climax is different. Provocative bits, like a timely subplot about alternative fuels, have been added. And a pirate/horror comic book that was threaded ironically throughout the Moore/Gibbons narrative is set to become a separate animated DVD"
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They shopped the attacker's gun into a walkie-talkie at 1:33.
This'd be what
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Available on both iTunes and Amazon MP3.
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have a poorly made Watchmen movie. I know I already have the comic, and it will always be the superior piece of art, but I wish they could have gotten someone better than Zack Snyder.
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It looks like I AM the first to notice this. I feel mildly special for something so silly.
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Getting internet buzz from geeks does not equal ticket sales.
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You bitch when you can't see the fight sequences (ie Batman Begins) and you bitch when they're slowed down (300). WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT THEN?
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When does that occur in the book?
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Anyone else notice the shapes bleeding & changing on R's mask?
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My god I cannot stop watching this thing over and over. Its beautiful.
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I've always had a little chuckle when new adaptations come out. I hear about the changes, the rabid fans, and all the hoo-haa that goes with it. Coz none of it effects me. I jsut turn up and watch the fucker, becuase I know nothing about the original source material. But I will say that that does look pretty damn tasty! And it is apparently the best comic book ever. So yes, I am excited for this one. If its half as good as you lot hope it will be, then I shall be a happy movie fan :) And Dawn of the Dead remake absolutley ROCKED!! As a HUUUGE fan of the original I was so geared up to hate the new one....but I was blown away by it. If he does the same to your precious adaptation, then we should all be happy movie fans indeed!!!
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Watchmen really didn't need a film treatment. I feel this movie will taint the way my mind molded certain traits of the characters while reading.
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The news on this film brings out the FanBoiz big time - and the trailer looks kind of cool. I think the big concern (as many of us have stated) is whether this will be accessable to the mass market. Certainly, fans of the Watchmen story will come out for it...but it may be confusing for the general viewer. I do hope it succeeds, however - I am a Snyder fan (I understand those who say his work in 300 and DotD was hollow and just visually appealing - but I respectfully disagree...yes, he explores the visual side of his art and entertains it - but he approaches it like a purist...300 was actually a pretty strong recreation of the graphic novel - very faithful adaption overall with only minor changes).
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Thank fuck for that! I thought it was just me!This trailer is a fucking hypnotic work of art, people!Still think Ozy's too young, though...
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'I feel this movie will taint the way my mind molded certain traits of the characters while reading.'
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I work in a library and one thing we do is collect books from the stacks for people too lazy to go out and get them for themselves. It's 9 a.m. Friday and I'm looking at a collection request for "Watchmen." HA!
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and delete any comments criticisng the CGI or the look of the film. They've got till March to finish the effects and fuck about with the look for christs sake. This was just a trailer to nail down the fanboys and attract the non-believers and I think they've done a good job of both. Snyder mentioned Taxi Driver as a visual guide so I doubt the Rorschach stuff will end up looking too glossy. In fact that shot might never make it to the finished film. Durrrrr......Unless I'm wrong, in which case, fuck you Snyder. Ahem.
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It's the way any film adaptation of literature spoils it for you. When you read something you give the characters a certain voice. They make certain facial expressions, walk in a certain manner, etc. You know what I'm saying here?
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Hmmm. The trailer was visually interesting but you can tell it was cut with WATCHMEN fans in mind. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing. But judging by the response of the theater-goers I was surrounded by last night, this trailer meant NOTHING to anyone outside of comic book lore. There wasn't a sound after it played.I was impressed with a few images. However, I was really turned off by the poor choice in music and what appears to be the same murky CGI-meets film grain used in 300. And it looks like we'll be getting more dramatic slo-mo actions shots that appear to Snyder's trademark move. So be it.Look, I'm aware of WATCHMEN's place in comic history and I know that it means a lot to the story's fans that it be brought to the big screen. However, I've yet to see anything from Snyder that proves he's capable of bringing the depth and themes of this story to light beyond recreating comic book panels. For the WATCHMEN fans, I really hope he's able to do the piece justice.* Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Enter the Dragon
Ong Bok
Die Hard
Above the Law
Raiders
The abyss
Casino Royale
Total Recall
The Killer
The Warriors
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Yes, the term is tossed around very loosely. "Sandman" is a collection of stories of various length, more like the Sherlock Holmes stories. "Watchmen," however, is a graphic novel. It was written as a single piece of work, plotted well in advance, and published serially because that's how they published comics in those days. If material published serially doesn't count as novels, many of the classic sf novels of the '40s and '50s aren't novels as they were published serially in magazines months or even yars before they appeared as single books. That includes "The Stars My Destination" and more than a little of "Dune." Lots of Dickens's novels also must be eliminated. Not only were they published serially in newspapers and magazine - and written as they were published, Dickens sometimes scrambling madly to meet deadlines - they were written specifically for serialization, the pacing of each segment meant to tease the reader for the next week/month. There are tales of ships coming into US harbors while sailors and dock men shouted to those on deck, "Does Little Nell live?"
And, of course, in spite of the manner in which it was written, "Maus" was serialized in "RAW." It wasn't all produced at once, but in segments as Spiegelman had the time, and it was published in segments because that's how Spiegelman was able to get the work into print in the days before original graphic novels became common. -
Batman doesn't have this problem because he's a known entity. People are willing to go through a dark story so long as they're familiar with the character. Hellboy's later advertisements were successful because they played up the humor aspect to the film. I think this is the reason the movie ended up doing well. Whether you're excited about this movie or not, it's going to be a hard sell.
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But then think about that fight in the middle, in a foot of water. Our hero getting what he needs, is forced to face the lead Navy Seal in a deathmatch. The music is top notch, very tribal. The fight that ensues is covered with realtime editing. There are 3-5 gasp moments even though the fight is only a couple few minutes long. Then as we loose hope, the big trucker pops up and hits the Seal. The camera angle is so shallow, it looks like he's hitting us. Perfect fight scene.
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I'm not so much worried about the look as I am the content and editing choices. Even if they seperate the pirate story, it seems like they are going to be making some tough editing choices, not to mention the idea that they're fucking with the ending.
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I liked it, but I was actually relieved it did not inspire orgasm in me the way it seems to have for many others. No movie can live up to an incredible trailer. And the way peopel were talking about this trailer, I thought for sure it meant Watchmen was not going to turn out well. Having now seen the trailer myself, I'm not as concerned. It was a "good" trailer, but nothing that made me cream my jeans. it was basically what I would have expected. Which is just fine.
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I saw 'The Dark Knight' last night which was great and seeing the trailer for this on the big-screen was unbelievable. I couldn't get over that I was actually seeing 'Watchmen' finally coming out. I also overheard a bunch of teenage kids in front of me, say 'what the fuck' and laughing when Dr. Manhattan showed up. Bastards have no idea about the road to Hell it took to get this movie finally done and nothing about the amazing story that the graphic-novel holds.
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....you don't need to tell me about what films have good cinematography. I'm just getting at the whiners who always have a moan about something rather than just enjoying it.
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in an all-ages trailer??!! Fuzzy or not, that's cool whether you're hetero or not.
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anyone know which version that is? or even if its currently available? only mixes i know of are the original which is more industrial and the pumped techno bs batman & robin one.
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i seriously doubt they "lose their shit"
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Is that there shouldn't have been lyrics. It should have been all instrumental.
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Just dawned on me that Billy Cruddup and Jeffrey Dean Morgan are in this together. Considering that JDM started dating Mary Louise Parker not long after Cruddup dumped her in her 7th month of pregnancy, that must have made for an interesting dynamic on-set.
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I agree that for the non-fan, it wouldn't be the same and won't make Batman bucks or even close.
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Thank god I read it in its day month to month because The Watchmen is one big fugly graphic novel. I borrowed it from my buddy a few years back thinking to re-visit it but the colors looked like someone puked goulash all over the pages and my god it just went on and on, completely un readable more than the once. To bring this story to film will require MASSIVE edits and oh boy will the faithful scream bloody murder, but it is as I have stated before, making these films is not for the initiated who've read the novels, it is for the blockheads and unbelievers who don't or WON'T read the novels, and the miniscule few who will after seeing what the flick is about. Personally, I'd be glad to get rid of a TON of fat that bloats the damn thing, it's like Moore's massive ID made real, a bunch of good ideas and decent presentation long-stroked and egojaculated to the point of near-obnoxiousness. Bring on the cool visuals and contrived music, beats re-reading the damn thing.
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Earlier reports had Doc Manhattan as the scapegoat for the end result.
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Girl in the hat on the right starts ducking before the explosion happens.
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How far behind is this movie? It even LOOKS like it was made in the nineties. And why does everything look so slick? Wasn't the book set in the eighties? This looks nothing like the book and those who say it does are just too busy sucking Snyder's cock. 300 was a homo-erotic borefest. The end. Anyone who says it was "just staying close to the source material" should think about that sentence: maybe it should never have been made into a movie. With all this talk of Zak Snyder wanting to do his source material justice, why does this look so slick and gay, why does it feel nothing like the book? They may as well have called it something else. I will give it one thing, though: Rorshach actually looks pretty good.
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In Zack we Trust ;-) Super stoked!
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you are talking out of your ass. Moore doesn't get "huge cheques" from these adaptations. He has all the money go to his co-creators..he gets nothing from the films. And he doesn't grant permission for the films to be made. He doesn't have that power.
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Because they think it's silly. The replacement is to fake Jon attacking a number of major cities, killing millions and threatening the world with destruction if they don't shut down their weapons programs and play nice. Doesn't quite have the emotional resonance of a nation finding its soul again but haunted by hundreds of thousands of people driven insane by the squid, does it?
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Forgot this part. The fake attack especially fails because the world still thinks of Jon as the USA's tame god. Blowing up a bunch of different cities around the world wouldn't change that. If he'd just attacked the USA it would have been different. But the fake attacks by Jon are a bad idea, in any case.
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Jul 18, 2008 12:48:43 PM CDT
Always expect a pussified ending from Hollywood, I guess.
by pumpymcass
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I've heard nothing but good things and am vaguely familiar with the basics of the plot and with some of the characters but have never read the comics or graphic novel. Should I do so beforehand or should I see this flick first?
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read the fucker. Try to get the Absolute edition so you can read all the bonus materials and see the art at roughly original size.
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When James Iha and D'Arcy Wretzky were still in the Band. The last Album kinda sucked. The Trailer locked, even though I never heard anything about "Watchmen"(except is was supposed to be unfilmable), really cool. Yes, Batman & Robin was one of the worst movies ever made, but the Soundtrack was one of the best soundtracks ever made (IMO).
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Have a look at watchmenmovie.com and he looks to be in his forties on the homepage.
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Although I enjoy seeing some of the iconic scenes from the novel, this feel is all wrong. This movie is not an action picture, it is a mystery. It shouldn't be filmed with slo-mo action. That night owl shot of him jumping to the ground is completely wrong. The 300ization of this movie is making me nauseous. This is not spiderman, batman, superman etc. This is a serious graphic novel with serious themes. And anyone who says the novel should be re-edited is a complete idiot who doesn't get the material.
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Zack Snyder, don't kid yourself, YOU WILL FAIL. FIGHT for your masterpiece! Don't be a pussy!
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1) The song is "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning" by the Smashing Pumpkins. It's available on iTunes and Amazon MP3 or on their Rarities and B-Sides album.
2) If you haven't read the graphic novel, read it first. In fact, go read it now.
3) Yes, that's Nixon. Yes, it takes place in the 80s. Yes, that's Vietnam.
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Only someone with a supersized ego like Billy Corgan could possibly write a rock opera about being Jesus Christ and receiving messages from God. Wow, was that album terrible. I even liked the much maligned Adore despite the crappy electronic drums. The latest cash in Zeitgeist is pretty terrible. Iha and D'arcy were smart to stay far, far away from this reunion. Jimmy Chamberlin still slays as a drummer though. He needs to ditch Corgan and get into a better band. Or at least go back and re-record the drums for Adore. He was the missing element to that album.
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BUT, there is a huge difference between making a good trailer with cool images and making a good movie. I thought 300, visuals aside, was kind of retarded.
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Love Roarsarch's voice. Love John's transformation and the Vietnam stuff. Veidt still looks very questionable, but hopefully he's acting his ass off when he's not posing. Nite Owl's ship ermerging from the water... holy fucking cow, gee wiz gosh darn awesome. Looks dark, looks grimy. The people and sets look very real. Of all the things that could have gone wrong with this, it really looks like they got the majority of it really, really right.
I wish Snyder didn't have to go so slow-mo effects crazy, but... such is the nature of the beast. One major gripe: Dave Gibbon's art is a closer parralel - at least as far as I'm concerned - to the great cop films of the 70s. It's filled with grit, detail, and stark realism, but low on flash. There's nothing in the art that suggests the near-surrealism which dominates a lot of this trailer (although I DO like the use of speed editing on Veidt's wacking his assailant into the pool... it gives a sense of just how scary good Viedt is). This is kind of a minor complaint compared to what they got right, but it does make me a little uneasy. For me, part of the magic of Watchmen is that its so deeply grounded in the real world. If this end of looking like 300... I will wonder if Snyder reall understood what makes Watchmen so interesting. And thats not a knock against 300, its just that the kind of world it was trying to capture is nearly a complete opposite from Watchmen. Watchmen live in the real world -- OUR real world. Slo-mo silliness is a nice tool for a few occasions, but I hope Snyder tones it waaaay down for this one. -
Spot on! To frame Doc Manhattan misses the point COMPLETELY. After all this time & all this work, Zack FUCKS IT UP because a studio note says "the squid is stupid"!? Yeah, for the past 20 years anytime someone called WATCHMEN a masterpiece, they always said "..except for the ending". BULL.SHIT.
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wow. rorschach and doc manhattan look perfect. ozy doesn't look right at all. the others are ok, not perfect but close. this does look pretty slick and initially i had a problem with the characters looking a little too "bad ass" in the trailer. but now that i think of it, it's a fine line to tread between that and MYSTERY MEN. and we don't want MYSTERY MEN do we? keep the look, just don't betray the source material. the ending MUST STAY.
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from Machina. Of course, what wouldn't be. I think the album has two or three good tracks. I just don't know why Corgan had to resurrect the dead Pumpkins moniker. It should have just been another solo album.
Admittedly, "Tarantula" is pretty good once you get past the opening line and I enjoy the bizarre "Pomp and Circumstance." If I have enough beers in me I even like "That's the Way My Love Is." He does a great job of layer his guitars like My Bloody Valentin meets Black Sabbath. Unfortunately his effortless songwriting skills aren't what they used to be. But to give credit where credit is due, Siamese Dreams will always be one of the best albums of the nineties. No matter how obnoxious Corgan gets, you can't take that from him. -
At this point are just stupid. You can tell almost nothing from a trailer like this other than to get a sense of some aspects of the visuals. The Star Wars Episode I trailers made that film seem like it would kick all kinds of ass. The end result was that it sucked. Hard. I walked away from seeing the first Matrix trailer with a distinct "blah" in my head. I only changed my mind about going after reading great reviews about it on this sight.
You simply can't judge a movie like this by it's trailer because this trailer is not intended to excite the fans of the material because the fans will be there no matter what. It's made to engage people like me who are not familiar with the material and I can tell you based on that trailer that they've succeeded. I'll be there when this thing opens because of what I saw in that trailer. That's the point of it. -
The squid must be in! Let Zack know at the panel that the ending CANNOT be changed! CHANT! YELL! SCREAM! WEAR SQUID TEES! Do everything you can to let them know
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...most of the aesthetics are pitch perfect. The vibe and even some of the translation work adlib isn't remotely deal breaker...but if the above rumored ending is true or if they somehow tweak it to not make it exactly what it is...then it will be balls. And yes...go easy on the slo-mo dude. It's like shaky-cam only not vomit inducing...too much of it and it looks amateurish or at least really god damn annoying (point: it becomes a distraction taking away from the film context, etc, etc)
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But the best thing I saw in the theater -- had no idea it was out (my heads been down a few days)... I have just seen a better Watchman movie than I would ever have believed possible-- and it was the fucking TRAILER! EVERY FUCKING SCENE-- I knew EVERY FUCKING SCENE because they were RIGHT OUT OF THE BOOK (ok Laurie's costume sucks and so does Adrians, but GEEEZUS!)
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is Sam Hamm's script from the '80s. Period. He wrote a fun, entertaining "Batman," but he fucked over "Watchmen" so badly it's difficult to believe. Wish I had access to the Gilliam script, because he and Charles wassisname supposedly dicked it over big-time also, but differently.
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WE WANT SQUID!
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I second! FIND A TABLE & JUMP ON IT! SCREAM IT FROM THE HILLS!!!
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It's not as amazing as some here claim imo, but I do think it is damned solid. Doc Manhattan looks PERFECT. I'm altogether pretty excited about the visuals, though they ARE just visuals, and we really don't know much more than this will LOOK great.To those pro-Squid folks out there: YES. I think Snyder should keep the ending of THE WATCHMEN as close to the original story as possible. I know there's been a lot of pressure to change it (and I know it probably is waaay too late to keep the original story's ending), but mucking with Moore's conclusion may well ruin the whole movie for me. Don't fuck with that which is not fucked up (and especially that which is--imo--perfect).
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Too late? They've got 8 months to go, I'm sure they could figure something out in that time. The ultimate "we'll fix it in post".
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and shout, "I'm mad as hell and I want some fucking SQUID!"
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I hope you're right, though I would think that reinserting the squid into the script would take some real effort--especially since setting it up would involve so much screen time. The Doc Manhattan-fake-attack idea is just abysmal and would CERTAINLY royally fuck up the film in a most cringe-inducing manner.I WANT MY SQUID!!!
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I just clicked on why Nite-Owl is screaming, with his goggles pulled up. It's the even more-fucked-up aspect of the different ending, which appears in Tse's script. If anyone really wants to be depressed, ask me about it.
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LOL! YES! Alan Moore's a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! His story's ending has VALUE!I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I WANT SOME FUCKING SQUID!
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I assumed he was watching Doc M take out R. Which would be fucked up for obvious reasons. Is there some other more fucked up reason?
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..Imagine that they already shot the after effect: loads of New Yorkers dead on the soundstage. There's no need to refilm that & they can just digitally plop a Giant Squid in the shots. If Doc is the culprit (shudder) than they'll needlessly be spending time & money CGI-ing his Godzilla attack on NYC.
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And they didn't show up... That'll teach me to use ""s. To the WATCHMEN virgins: my sincerest apologies.
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Take that doubters!
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HTML Rookie move. Damn.
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look, they dont need a squid, but they do need a shared outerspace villian...rumors abound, but as no one has seen the script or a final cut, i think ill wait before i start decrying the ending...and lets think logically, a rogue doc destroys the point of the rest of the plot
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When watchmen came out I was not allowed to buy it at the local comic shop because I was not 18, on my 2nd attempt my mom would not buy it because the guy at the shop told her it was an adult graphic novel. I had to borrow it from a friend. Seeing it in live action is a childhood dream come true. I can't stop watching it I have seen it a dozen times now and I still can't believe it. Out of all the comics and graphic novels I never thought watchmen could be pulled off on the big screen. Well so far so good, lets just keep our fingers crossed. Damn my nerdpants are going nuts!!!!!
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Imagine somebody in the 1500's invented a full color press that could reproduce, let's say 'The Mona Lisa' for the masses. As is, Da Vinci' work is perfect, but the inventor decides 'Mona Lisa's' smile is too ambiguous for the masses too appreciate. He changes it & now everyone has a 'false' reproduction of the masterpiece. My thought is: WHO FUCK IS HE TO DECIDE TO CHANGE A MASTER'S WORK?!
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Imagine somebody in the 1500's invented a full color press that could reproduce, let's say 'The Mona Lisa' for the masses. As is, Da Vinci' work is perfect, but the inventor decides 'Mona Lisa's' smile is too ambiguous for the masses too appreciate. He changes it & now everyone has a 'false' reproduction of the masterpiece. My thought is: WHO THE FUCK IS HE TO DECIDE TO CHANGE A MASTER'S WORK?!
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I didn't know they were in this movie!!! They look awesome!!!
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I strongly feel that an utterly non-anthropomorphic, specifically Lovecraftian, alien threat needs to be implemented for Veidt to successfully pull it off. A mere "outerspace villain" of the conventional variety--think INDEPENDENCE DAY--would be too passé/cliché to be believed by the masses (not to mention the movie's audience).
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Maybe they truncate the Squid with the "Doc Manhattan causes cancer" subplot - create something that scares and unites humanity, while at the same time breaking the remaining bonds between Manhattan and the human race, to make sure he leaves the planet. I still don't like the change, but there's a chance that there's at least some thought behind it.
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http://tinyurl.com/5ny3rn...and then suck my hairy fat balls
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Jul 18, 2008 2:40:29 PM CDT
No thanks on your second offer, bacci40. But Damn...
by le vicious fishus
That image is fantastic/perfect! Fuckin' A!
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This trailer far exceeded my expectations! It's perfect. Absolutely perfect.
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Don't know how the numbers will look though when it gets released. The theater was pretty silent when the trailer was shown, though I heard two Marines a row back say that "it looked pretty" but they had no idea what the hell it was. Only trailer peeps were excited about last night was the Terminator trailer, and we almost had a riot when the theater manager muted the audio during the trailer to tell people that if they see anybody using a cell phone during The Dark Knight they would be kicked out of the theater. Haha.
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if they stayed close to the Tse script of '06. Two other writers and Snyder himself (shudder) supposedly have worked on the script since '07 when Paul Greengrass dropped out as director.
As mentioned, no squid (though Patrick Wilson said Wednesday that Snyder stuck as closely as possible to the original). But as seen in Tse's script, we get the following ending, much changed: After all the fuss about what's happened and Veidt's attempt to stop Jon, they all see the reaction to the disaster/attack and start to settle down. Rather than agree to live with the knowledge, they're stunned. Rorschach, of course, refuses to compromise in any way and he prepares to leave for the owlship.
Convinced R must not reveal Veidt's plan, Jon explodes him - BUT AS DAN AND LAURIE WATCH. A powerful point of the book is that while Dan and Laurie must wonder what became of R, they're left to believe he froze to death on the Antarctic ice. Jon, after all, says he doubts R will reach civilization. Knowing R is dead, Dan in the script decides he must avenge R's death by killing Veidt, because that's what R would have wanted and done for Dan were the situation reversed. He attacks Veidt and is quickly beaten into submission with a broken limb and other serious injuries. Veidt, preparing for the death blow, laughs at Dan and asks why he thought an owl was such a fearsome creature as to base his identity upon it. Dan says, for one thing, you can never hear them coming - and the owlship, remotely controlled, smashes through the wall of Veidt's office and crushes him. As he dies, Veidt reveals he'd planned to kill Dan and Laurie, anyway. Although Veidt is dead, his manufactured threat remains "real" to the world, so there's not a need for the management of American society that Veidt mentions in the book. Dan and Laurie leave, thinking it all worked out in the end. From there we get the visit from Sally Jupiter and the finale in the offices of the News Frontiersman.
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I am getting this from the David Hayter and Alex Tse scripts, both of which I own in pirated .pdf versions. No information that's leaked has mentioned significant changes since then, but for all we know Snyder could have put the big squid back in the story. You'd think we'd have heard, though, with all the leaks on every other version over the years.
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DennisMM, that IS depressing. It sounds like little kids playing with action figures & changing stuff cause it's "cooler". No wonder Alan Moore is so cynical.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, lest you state an opinion so blatantly retarded that it requires calling out, I may differ with you but I hope I would fall short of referring to you as a 'complete idiot' simply because I don't agree. The story as a whole could have easily been done in ten issues and had a good editor stuck to his guns maybe a lean 8. If Moore then wanted to re-bloat the thing later with some super-special geekfanboy jackoff edition and re-released it with all his 'bells and whistles' then fine but I stand by my statement. In the same way the Lord of the Rings movies could have been done leaner and meaner in 2 movies than 3 brevity really is the essence of wit. It is not the job of Hollywood blockbuster movies to present frame by frame fanatically true reproductions of ANY source literature, but to present the overall feeling and concept in a new medium (motion picture) that will expand the audience and gain wider recognition. Rest assured, I 'get' the Watchmen, I also 'get' sanctimonious as well, and fewer authors are more-so than Moore OR his slavering legions fans who seem incapable of looking at something no matter how good with a critical eye. I think after 3 years of studying at the Joe Kubert School, 6 years designing book and software covers and over twelve years running my own studio in which I produce my OWN COMIC BOOK I 'get it' just fine, and if thinking the Watchmen coiuld have used editing makes me a 'complete idiot' I defy you to give that 'special edition' to anyone without Moore's balls hanging from their lips and actually see if the average casual observer even WANTS to crack the cover after hefting it. "Oh.....yeah...this is cool. Tell you what, I'm reading something right now and I don't want to have this just sitting around so why don't I get this from you when I finish what I'm working on? M'kay?"
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..at least I now I when to walk out of the theatre. Idiots, them.
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DId anyone else notice, in the breif clip of the Comedian standing on the front of the Owlship (in the comic its the time of the Police strike, if my memory is working) and he's not wearing he's full face leather fetish like mask. In the book he had been scared by his Vietnamise lover and stoped wearing his Domino mask. If anyone wants a good website to download film trailers try http://www.drfoster.f2s.com/. Lots of good stuff there.
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Please forgive el typos in previous post. I bow to the Grammer Police
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Please forgive el typos in previous post. I bow to the Grammer Police
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I feel like screaming like a girl.
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http://tinyurl.com/5b w6xs
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... it doesn't fill me with much confidence. The look of Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach is spot on, Love the Rorschach voice also. And, framing-wise, Most of those shots look exactly like the panels in the book. But the the color palette is off, and the characters look badass, which they shouldn't. Don't like the look of Veidt either, it's just off. I know these are minor complaints, and they are forgettable if the movie can live up to it's name, but this is not the thing that worries me the most. What worries me the most is that it's directed by Snyder. I didn't hate 300, and I don't mind the slow-mo stuff he overuses, hes a competent action director. But that's it, hes just an action director. And Watchmen can not be an action movie. In both his DOTD remake and in 300 the plot/character driven parts where so boring, you only sat through that stuff because of the action that followed. For me, he did not prove that he can direct a story and character driven film. And in my opinion, he did not direct a single good movie yet, so that gets me worried when this film gets mentioned.
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You must watch this Watchmen, iTunes "motion comic" which is the ENTIRE issue (apparently unabridged) scored, given narrative dialogue and featuring some rudimentary, stylized (and completely true to Gibbons' work) movements. SO fucking cool: http://tinyurl.com/6az8drOh yeah--this first issue's free, and all twelve issues will be released perhaps monthly or even more often I would think.
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And, oh yeah--it's damned good.
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Jul 18, 2008 3:27:45 PM CDT
DennisMM....i read that part of tse's script has been changed
by bacci40
i didnt like it either
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We will see The Comedian get his face slashed and take out the pregnant Vietnamese girl - see the picture here:
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From EW (see last sentence particularly): "Over many months, and many meetings, Snyder persuaded Warner Bros. to abandon the Greengrass/Hayter script and hew as faithfully as possible to the comic. The key battles: retaining the '80s milieu, keeping Richard Nixon (Moore did consider using an era-appropriate Ronald Reagan, but worried it would alienate American readers), and preserving the villain-doesn't-pay-for-his-crimes climax."One would think this last bit eliminates one concern (DenisMM's legitimate fear that the villain would get "what's coming to him").Still: I WANT MY SQUID!
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Thanks for the link r_number6. The scar doesn't look as 'bad' as it does in the comic (and is it on a diferent side (or am I nitpicking to much?) Perhaps I need a life.
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thanks, Le Vicious Fishus.
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All I saw was a lot of overblown, slow-motion, CGI-heavy wank.
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I hope so, I hope so. Even were they to use the fake Jon attack, having Veidt turn out to be so utterly venal ... it explains the look they gave Matthew Good, at least.
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fucking typos.
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Regardless of your feelings about the Watchmen and their interpretation in this movie, that was probably the most beautiful trailer I have ever seen. The way they cut the scenes to fit with the beat of the music was spectacular, very powerful. I guess I'm just not familiar enough with the Watchmen to be put off by the things people are disliking here.
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WATCHMEN's trailer depicted just about everything I was 'worried' about with this movie (as much as anyone can or should 'worry' about a movie). The opening scene (and the credit font) make it look like a Full Moon movie. In my head, I could almost hear a voiceover while we watched Dr. Manhattan get zapped with cheesy-looking electric jolts: "From SCI-FI CHANNEL PICTURES - in association with the producers of EUREKA ... and STAN LEE - present: ..." That's just how chintzy it looked. Add to that the fact that everything in the world of WATCHMEN has apparently been soaked in butter to give it a glossy, polished look that goes completely against the rusty/gritty quality of the story. Add to that the director's apparent decision to replace the home-made costumes with impossibly-complex rubber suits that would cost more than any of the characters except Ozymandias make in a year. Add to THAT shots of the characters performing ninja moves and flying outrageously through space in slow-motion. Add to that the way the movie trailer tries so hard to make the characters look "awesome" when the story paints them more accurately as complete failures (most of those shots don't belong in the movie). Add to that how even Ror looks like his suit was tailor-fit and recently pressed and cleaned. Add to THAT the fact that the characters seem to have developed super-strength, invulnerability and levitation. What - the - HELL? Anyway, it looks just awful and looks to have so completely missed the point of WATCHMEN that it might as well be about anything.
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Jul 18, 2008 4:11:32 PM CDT
I do not understand how anyone could complain about this
by slappy jones
if this is not good enough for you you were never going to be happy with anything. nothing was going to please you.
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Yeah. No matter how much nicer the suits could be - and theoretically Laurie could have the government paying for hers, while Dan had plenty of money to build his gadgets - the moves are ridiculous. Laurie in the book is supposed to be in decent shape. She works out. But she's got some middle-aged spread across the hips and she's no acrobat. Dan, trying to be what he once was, overexerts himself but he's no Blue Beetle or Batman. He never was an acrobat and never will be. One has to imagine he and Laurie, in their day, fought the way they take out the knot-tops in the alley. They fight dirty. Knee to the balls, two fingers hard up the nostrils, head butts, a chop to the throat, taking them out from a distance with weapons when possible. The idea is to take the bad guys down as quickly as possible without killing them. Only Veidt would have fought with flying kicks and spins and anything resembling classic martial arts. Everybody else brawled.
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did you read the previous comments? did you read that zack also wants to deconstruct comic book movie heroes? did your mama drop you on your head one too many times??? did wifey refuse to give you a hand job this morning? the only person with a more modern suit is nite owl, and that was done purposefully to more reflect a take on batman....christ, when zack directly copies a comic, he gets ripped...when he goes off on his own, he gets ripped....christ, i hated his take on dawn of the dead, and i got ripped....
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That people who really love the graphic novel are not liking the trailer. And people who are not that familiar with it love the trailer. Is there anybody who does not fall into those categories? I guess when you try to realize something in a movie that is so deeply personal to everyone who loves it then you are not going to be able to please the fans.
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by then, most of the attendees to the panel will have their thoughts on the clips posted online...if they hate it, then zack and the movie are doomed....if hailed, well then at least there will be less haters...if mixed, then zack will have just made another money maker and we can all go back to reading our worn copies of the comix
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If you want to be an asshole and nitpick every little detail to death, then yeah, you're not going to enjoy this. It's like the douchebags who bitched about Tom Bombadil. Get the fuck over it.
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I know nothing about The Watchmen. So here's an outside opinion. It has cool special effects but nothing in the trailer really grabs me personally. I'm guessing after a 20 day release about $110 mil. I could be wrong. The only marketing strategy they could use to possibly make it gross more...would be to smear "From the Director of 300!" all over every commercial...then it will make more.
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don't worry, it's just the drool dripping from my dropped jaw. WOW! this looks really great.
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"Showing a dirty street with pastel coloured buildings, then cut to a wank stained porn mag floating along some filthy water and into a scum filled drain. Then everyone can go, see, it looks really grainy, just like the comic book."
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if they made "The Godfather" today the trailer would be nothing but the shootings, the car bomb, the wedding dance, a montage of glowering and sneering and a couple of pithy lines of dialogue. Apparently that's what it takes to sell a movie.
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Yes it looks amazing.
Yes Snyder looks like he's enormously respectful of the source material.
Yes the Manhattan explosion and his destruction of the Viet Cong soldier are spot on perfect.
Yes, the owl ship looks F**KING AWESOME... and the Mars sequence is absolutely BONKERS!!!
No, Adrian isn't great casting. This guy looks too thin and creepy. Ozymandias was the Golden Boy... The living action figure genius you could trust. Classic American Movie star good looks (not this modifed emo page boy bullshit). Not to mention, Adrian Veidt should be cast as older than this guy... At least his mid-30s (really he's closer to 50). Not a perfect fit, but Paul Bettany probably would have been better. That's not as specific a critique given the way movies work, but still. This guy is just wrong, especially in the costume. Given his role in the movie, it's REALLY important to get him right. I'm holding out hope that his other scenes make up for the badly wrong costume and casting. -
Jul 18, 2008 5:41:38 PM CDT
Dapper Swindler, to counter your observation...
by i made wilhelm scream
I have read Watchmen a dozen Times in the past two years. I love it... maybe a little too much, and I swear, I had a boner through out the trailer. It seems faithful, and it seems right. Think about it, everything seems to have this surreal, dream like quality, almost to get across the fact that it is a direct iteration of a GRAPHIC novel. To add to that, it takes place in an ALTERNATE reality. Jeasus, wtf do you people want from this? You all want a Chris Nolan real world take on this don't you? Guess what, that would never fly in the world of Watchmen. The characters, while relatable and real, are TOO colorful and comic bookish(not that thats a bad thing)to SUCCESFULLY shoot that way. And what about the world? The quasi futuristic, alternate take on 1987 NYC? Come ON... you mean to tell me that you wan't it to mirror all too well the world that you currently live in? With the way things are today, I sure don't.
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Jul 18, 2008 5:41:43 PM CDT
Dapper Swindler, to counter your observation...
by i made wilhelm scream
I have read Watchmen a dozen Times in the past two years. I love it... maybe a little too much, and I swear, I had a boner through out the trailer. It seems faithful, and it seems right. Think about it, everything seems to have this surreal, dream like quality, almost to get across the fact that it is a direct iteration of a GRAPHIC novel. To add to that, it takes place in an ALTERNATE reality. Jeasus, wtf do you people want from this? You all want a Chris Nolan real world take on this don't you? Guess what, that would never fly in the world of Watchmen. The characters, while relatable and real, are TOO colorful and comic bookish(not that thats a bad thing)to SUCCESFULLY shoot that way. And what about the world? The quasi futuristic, alternate take on 1987 NYC? Come ON... you mean to tell me that you wan't it to mirror all too well the world that you currently live in? With the way things are today, I sure don't.
To all the haters, stop your bitching, and get ready for a faithful translation of the GREATESST graphic novel of all time. -
Not a fucking chance. We are going to see his filthy apartment and his shlomping bean eating.
*SPOILY* As for Squiddy.... Poor Squiddy. :( It's a loss and it was there in the comic for so many reasons. It was a homage to the innumerable comic book teams and heroes that culminated in a face off with some unspeakable monster. Moore knew how bizarre it was and it's no accident it's artificial and there's much talk about it's "creation" but it's horrific effects are precisely right and it's the "outside the box" solution akin to the Gordian knot one that is required.
Instead we seem to be getting a manufactured pissed off manhattan. There are one or 2 nice things about this solution but it's certainly not perfect and you could pick an awful lot of holes in it.
Whatever, the book isn't going anywhere and it's not going to stop me seeing this even if I would have loved to see a fully realised amazing looking squiddy.
P.S. Another thing Squiddy always reminded me of, I believe the first ever Justic League Comic featured all the heroes teaming up against "starro" and that's the homage I think Moore may well be referring to, but it's just speculation. -
the trailer is having an impact on the sale of the book...comic retailers around the country must love zack
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...I re-read Watchmen probably every couple of months or so (I read alot) and that trailer got me pumped for the movie. So, you're wrong. I like what Zack Snyder's done so far (not so sure about the VISIONARY thing) and this inspired confidence.
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This is a good sign. The trailer made me drop what I was doing today and read the graphic novel.
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I do love the GN. It's a great story, and I love what it says about human nature, politics, culture. One thought from some of the response to me on here seems to think I'm a fanboy wanting swilly water with a wank mag floating on top. That's not even close to what I'd be hoping this movie would resemble. Nor would I want it to resemble Chris Nolan's BATMAN BEGINS (which I did not enjoy - "Your fear is your fearening - make others fear yourself and the fear you fear in your fear will unfearingly refearenate the fearful!" That's what the entire movie sounded like to me). As for the costumes, it's not about retro/modern. It's about the fact that these people in the story - the Watchmen - are pretty much universally losers. All the way across the board, the comic characters have got more in common with THE VENTURE BROS. than with the ninjas we see in the trailer. WATCHMEN is about weakness, flab, beer guts, balding middle-aged 'never-were's. It's about fake superheroes, rapists, thugs, thieves and psychotics (in the ugly truth of the psychotic as opposed to the 'awesome' psychotics of the movies). The Watchmen are miserable people who are miserable failures. They are NOT EVEN REMOTELY HEROES. They're not evne just flawed heroes. They're horrible, horrible people from top to bottom, from the uncaring Dr. Manhattan all the way to the murderous and cowardly Ror. The story is about, to me, the unparalleled capacity of the human heart to perform acts of unspeakable cruelty, to be willing to sacrifice any moral virtue for one's own ends. It suggests to me that there is no such thing as true friendship, no such thing as loyalty, no such thing as heroism or honesty in the common human consciousness. It says that at the end of the day people are willing to destroy anything in order to get what they want - it's a story of how people are less than animals. That trailer did not tell that story to me, nor even reflect it.
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To continue, the costumes reflect to me just a "degree of awesome" I do not think belongs in the WATCHMEN world. The lack of awesome - the way the costumes looked filthy and sweaty and dirty, made with rope and stitching and smacking of bondage gear and other ugliness - was integral to the story to me. It made sure the 'superheroes' looked so ugly and foul you wouldn't want them to come near you, much less rescue you. The Watchmen should look like a bondage group made up of people who've recently had their real-estate companies go under and are burning the few remaining dollar bills in their pockets. The men should look like ex-jocks who've succumbed to beer to drink and ... well, beer-battered foods to eat. The women should have that nasty quality of failure commingled with weirdly-visible sexual unhappiness that one usually only sees in past-40 substitute teachers. Nobody in this story is attractive or pleasant or decent. You don't want to know -any- of them. Making Nite Owl look like someone other than a derilect fat guy is a mistake. He's supposed to just stink of failure. Making him shine in the eyes of the camera is just flat-out wrong. The Comedian is a brutal bully, the kind of guy who would run a used-car dealership if he weren't too preoccupied murdering, beating and raping women. The whole world of WATCHMEN is to me a world of sweat and stains, nastiness and filth. I hated seeing it look so clean on-screen after waiting so long. I had no expectations of it being good - but this went beyond my expectations to make it look cheaper than a Sci-Fi Channel movie. It -really- does, right down to the crummy font. Further, the beauty associated with the Dr. Manhattan scenes is misguided to me - the kissing, etc. There is no love in the world of WATCHMEN. There is only unhappiness, misery, killing, death, fighting, bleeding, insanity, sweat, frustration, the stink of the decrepit. I mean, you find for me a single page of the story that has any legitimate human joy in it. I'll buy you a beer.
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Thats the Batman and Robin song.....I'm too lazy to read if anyone noticed that? I SMELL NIPPLES!
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As for deconstructing the superhero, Zack shouldn't feel any need to do that because there ARE NO SUPERHEORES IN WATCHMEN. He seems to have come away from the story with pretty much the opposite view I got out of reading it - that is, that this is an ugly world filled with ugly people who have killed their way to the top and that in that world the only measure of success is how much murder and hatred you've got piled underneath you. He doesn't need to deconstruct Nite Owl because there's nothing there to deconstruct - Nite Owl accomplished nothing in his life.
As for how well this movie will do, I'm predicting - and not just because of my reaction to the trailer ... I felt this way long before I saw the trailer - a SPEED RACER opening. I'm calling maybe $17m opening weekend followed by a 30-60 drop the next week followed by an all-black-with-smiley-face DVD box set with three discs designed to make fanboys pump urine all over themselves. -
That it was a remix of the Batman song, don't ask me how I knew that within 3 second of hearing the song. Its not like they used Gotham City. A CITY OF JUSTICE! A CITY OF LOVE! Really R. Kelly? Gotham City always seemed like a place where you could form a gang just by offering a pack of Newports to new members. Anyways, so when I heard that Wanted was a comic I ran out on Comic book day and bought it and read it up. I had already heard about Watchmen and had bought that to read....haven't gotten around to it. Took me a while to get back into comics, but now I think I'm ready. But after how terrible I thought Wanted was, compared to all my idiot friends that didn't even know Wanted was a movie until a week before it was released let alone know that it was based on a comic. I don't know if I want to have a shitty time at the movies come Watchman Day 09. Plus I really hope they didn't 300 the movie and give me all the money shots in the trailer, I jized all over the 300 trailer so much that come movie time nothing was cool and the bad ass NIN song was replaced by a snake charmer. I just feel like reading that comic and watching....wait I can't because my computer sucks balls right now...over and over I won't enjoy the movie as much as Jo Blo cubicle buddy who never heard about Watchmen until he read about it in the issue of Maxim that comes out a month before the movie. But I'll probably read the comic while listening to my Batman and Robin Soundtrack on REPEAT! Hey remember when we all thought Zach Snyder was gay for re-making Dawn of the Dead?
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Yeah but this doesn't have Speeds Price tag. Though if this movie can get anywhere near the excitement and awesomeness of Speed I shall be happy.
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... nobody who reads MAXIM is going to see WATCHMEN.
And you can bet your ass of two things. 1) It won't be written up heavily in MAXIM. The only visible tits on display are a man's, and MAXIM is just about as homophobic as you can get. 2) The reaction to WATCHMEN across the country among normal, everyday people is going to be the biggest fucking collective shrug in the history of cinema. I think this one might bury a studio, depending on how much money they waste, er, spend trying to promote it to people who don't know what a watch is, much less a Watchman. -
I really was expecting it to look like crap. But no, it looks like that Zack Snyder might have gotten it right. I hated "300," but I'll definitely give it a shot.
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For those of you wanted to read ahead. Kick Ass is going to be the next big unknown comic turned into a movie. And I'd put money on The Twelve being one (seeing that in the intro issue he compares all the characters to actors, evening pointing out a few that someone like Zach Synder can offered). Both going on as we speak!
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Moore has genuine affection for the characters. Yes they are all fucked up but not only do we know this but THEY know this.
Even Rorschach for all his quasi-fascist thuggery was broken by a case which pit him against a child murderer. And he never wavers. Not for a fucking second. He was brilliant strategically in the past and it's only he who penetrates the mystery and only he who has the staying power to do so.
Ozy is an athletic prodigy. His backstory covers why. His is the compromise of cold logic and limitless ego that weighed hundreds of thousands against Billions.
Nite Owl IS a flabby washout BUT he is galvanized by Silk Spectre and when the chips are down and the years of self-doubt are blown away he IS an extraordinary person.
Even the minutemen did some good and weren't all misguided fialures certainly to begin with. We simply don't see much of the characters in their "glory" days but the book does tell you they all had them when they took out drug rings and child pronography rings and gangsters and thugs.
But The Comedian knows on a global scale they are pissing in the wind. And the coming of Dr Manhattan just emphasises that.
Besides it's not all fun and Games "playacting" as heroes they all pay an extraordinary high for being a "Hero" some are killed some are driven insane all have scars mental and physical but they tried. Even if in the end they were naive and misguided, they tried. And Moore never lets us think this is a one dimensional story of "pretend" heroes and nihilism. It's about the struggle even if it ends in failure. You simply wouldn't care about the story if you didn't care about the characters, and you do. Or at least everyone I know who has read Watchmen does. -
... my favorite movie of the summer so far, Series7. I never said anywhere WATCHMEN won't be good. It could be a fantastic film. I'm talking about the look of the trailer and my feelings on how well it will do. A lot of the time people mistake those kinds of remarks for me saying the movie is going to suck - none of us can know that until we see it. But yeah, SPEED RACER was amazing and I can't wait to watch it at home on Blu-Ray and HD-TV.
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WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID! WE WANT THE SQUID!
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Dude how do you think 300 got so big? That was pretty homo. I used Maxim as a catch all, for like frat boy types, light beer drinkers, people who talk big and never do shit, people who always act like they are too cool for movies, red necks, pretty much the worst parts of the bible.
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Is that it really seems to completely adapt the story to the movie medium. Ozy's suit is clearly a send up of the Batman/Robin type rubber suits we're used to seeing in superhero movies. It's a masterstroke because it indicates that Snyder is using the story to go post-modern on superhero movies the way Moore used it to go post-modern on superhero comic books. I'm trying to keep my expectations in check but damn I'm psyched for this movie.
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Your remarks were very well-written and well thought-out in your response. I do agree that the story makes you care about the characters - I really did while I was reading it, but I think the genius of the story is that Moore gets you to care about these people and then basically sets the whole thing up where you think these characters are going to come together and rise about circumstance to be heroes - and it just goes completely the opposite way. Every character sells their soul and surrenders to evil. All the characters fail. Without giving away specific spoilers, I think even the last panel of the story is about MASSIVE INCREDIBLE FAILURE. I mean, EPIC EPIC EPIC FUCKING FAIL. EPIC-EST FAIL OF ALL. I would like to take this post to say, btw, I -loved- that Smashing Pumpkins song and sat through the ugly music video with its crummy clips of B&R every time it was on MTV just to listen to that song. Aside from that, though, I do also want to add that I respect Zack Snyder. I LOVED LOVED LOVED 300. What a movie. I mean, it was just absolutely perfect. People get on me for choosing to interpret it as giving hope to our current American soldiers fighting 'mysticism' in another land, but think what you want. I don't care if it was intended that way or not - that's how I'm going to take it and there's nothing you can fucking do about it. So there. Back to WATCHMEN, though, I do think it's that simple - I mean, was there even a little goodness or light to the world of that story? Was there even a little smidge of hope?
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I would also disagree with your statement Moore has AFFECTION for the characters. I might suggest he thinks they're well-conceived by his own work, but I can't imagine an intelligent man like Moore - one of the greatest comic writers alive - would find much to love about the people in his story.
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Well done Zac now blow every other fxcker out of the water!
Doc Manhatten....Spot on!
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Moore refuses to allow his name on the credits.I can see his point, but the upshot is that the only movies that have his credit on them are From Hell (which wasn't bad, but barely even touched the original) and LXG.
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*SPOILERS* Nite Owl and Silk Spectre get married for christsake. A complete Nuclear Holocaust is AVERTED, but the price is shoockingly high. The minutemen enjoy what they do for a while as do the Watchmen and rescuing people from burning to death ? Not heroic ??? Naaaahh!
Rorschach CATCHES the child killer but it costs him his sanity so that scene is supremely tragic. If Watchmen was just unremitting black horror no-one would give a fuck. Moore is far cleverer than that. He looks at these characters and see the flaws but he sees the good in them too. His is an unflinching gaze but he wouldn't devote a life to writing comic books if he thought they were all assholes with no redeeming features and Watchmen is his love letter AND cynical postmodern dissection of the Superhero Team just not a childish infatuation more a realistic appreciation. Warts and all. -
I love how these random directors like Synder/Nolan/Fat Guy from Swingers are actually bringing these comic books to life. Remember when we all sat around and tried to say OH only Burton/Ridley/Cameron/Fincher/Bergman can make this comic book movie! Not realizing that pretty much any big director you have to go through their ego first before you can start dealing with the story. Thats why I like these newer directors making these movies. Granted Synder's probably already thinks he's cock of the walk for how everyone tells him how 300 is the book on film, but the budget for Watchmen didn't explode and what not, like Spiderman 3 did with Sam (yeah Sam wasn't well know outside of geeks before Spidy, but he'd been around for awhile even already did a comic book movie before).
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put in a tpb? I didn't think it was a graphic novel.
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Quite right spymunk that was careless of me.
Though anyone who wants to keep the Movie as a surprise should really avoid ALL forums & message boards about it from now until release.
***MORE SPOILERS*** Actually without being too specific the final panel is SUPREMELY Brilliant. Because we will never know exactly what happens but Rorschach in the end outsmarted EVERYONE. Ozy and Manhatten. (though Manhatten knows this is only a temporary "solution" and tells Ozy as much.) What's Genius is that Rors journal falls into a the hands of a Magazine that will never be taken that seriously so in my mind the peace will hold BUT the truth will also be as they say "out there". So in a sense Ror succeeds. He wins. But Armaggeddon was still stopped. -
ang lee thought he could and what we got was a bunch of psychological mumbo jumbo...mark steven johnson killed off two franchises...etc....the first criteria is one must have respect for the source material...all three you mention do
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so was wizard of oz...watchmen is a 12 chapter book that dc chose to serialize in order to maximize profits
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But every time some comic book is announced as a movie everyone starts spewing out the names of big time directors like they would do a good job. And you thats why someone these up and coming directors will most likely do a better job. Like I think big directors are fine to handle straight book adaptations because one of the most important aspects of directing is visual style and with comics you already have it set up so there is a perceived idea of the look and feel of it. Books are left up to a lot more interpitation.
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on the Watchmen...it will be interesting to see how the studios a) market this film b) will they be faithful to the tenebrific nihilistic source? c) are they aiming for PG-13 as usual? I am extremely curious how this film will be received by the public.
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Zack is a nice guy...but he isn't a proven commodity like Christopher Nolan imho. Nolan is great with handling the psychological components of characters and their development. Zack has only done Dawn of the Dead and 300. Two films which I feel are lackluster. 300 had great eye candy...but lacked any emotion. I didn't care for a single character in the entire film. Dawn of the Dead was matinee popcorn fare.
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Even if I had no idea what the Whatchmen was (which I most certainly do) I'd be blown away by that trailer. I really had no idea how this would turn out, and I have no idea if what is hinted in that trailer is how it should have turned out, but it look absolutley fucking fantastic. And to all the slo-mo haters - obviously it's not played out if it looks that fucking cool. And kudos to anyone that wants to put the kind of obvious bannkroll that is displayed in that trailer into a book that has a niche audience at best. Now that I've seen the dark Knight, this is the next must see movie for me.
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You have to keep in mind that 99% of people have no idea what Watchmen is. So the trailer shows some provocative visuals and with the music, scenes and bits of dialogue hints that there is something really heavy going on here without telling you what it's all about. That's as good as we can expect.
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...for years. This trailer blew me away today (saw it in the theater, not online)... I definitely need to read the graphic novel before seeing the movie.
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Personally, I would've given WATCHMEN to Kurt Wimmer and then left him alone with a Final Cut.
Here's what I thought WATCHMEN should've looked like:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QX2SVa5eD5Q&feature=related
Now, before you start getting on my ass making jokes about how I'm saying the movie should've contained ninjas fighting with karate guns, I want to make sure you understand WHAT I mean by that.
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Wow, EQUILIBRIUM is an amazing movie. Especially when you realize that the Grammaton Clerics destroy people with the power of MATH.
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I'm not talking about the font for the title. I'm talking about the font for the stuff like FROM THE ACCLAIMED DIRECT OR OF... with the too-simple letter shapes.
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if you did, then you musta hated the book too...and if you hated the book, why in the world did you expect zack to improve on the book, when he said at the outset that he was basically just taking the pages and throwing them on the screen?
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It's like October of 1998 all over again.
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Without getting into a single word on the plot, find someone you know who doesn't say things to try to impress you and show them the WATCHMEN trailer and ask them what they think it's about. So far, the responses I've gotten have been the following: "It's about a bunch of people being gay?" / "I think it's maybe like osme kind of Batman thing where he fights aliens?" / "Fuck if I know." / "A team of superheroes?"
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... the point of that previous post is that this trailer does nothing to explain nor sell the movie, and all the people above when asked if they'd go see it on their own accord said no way.
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They would have not have stuck to the source material so passionately like Zack Snyder did. We would have got a "re-imagined" Watchmen. You know it's true.
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But this time with a smashing pumpkins song instead of a NIN song.
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Rorshach's Journal.
October 12th, 1985.:
Dog carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face.
The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shoud "Save us!"...
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shit, the music killed it for me. Why that music, why?! I don't need a band playing behind the first moving images of a Watchmen adaptation. Shitty Youtube videos are for that. Also the seemingly random shots of characters like looking at the screen wasn't amazing.
HOWEVER seeing Manhattan get blasted in the chamber at the beginning was way cool and many of the shots are greatly loyal to the comic, I was able to see the comic through the scenes shown.
However I'm not totally impressed with some of the CGI, particularly Doc Manhattan who I don't think you can put into a movie, it just looks unusual and sort of floating in front of everything else on screen.
Yeah, being a nitpicky Watchmen geek I'm freaking out a bit, but I don't think this will be the movie I was hoping for, hopefully, I'm wrong. -
Nolan's Batman is brilliant and original and cool, but a complete literal translation it isn't. And that's fine for Batman. He's been reimagined dozens and dozens of times. But for a book like the Watchmen, you need someone to stick to the source.
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*SPOILER* Rorschach the man who wrote "Dog Carcass" and seemingly the most unremittingly dark character in the book, has a scene in the Owlship underwater with Nite Owl just before the lovely Owlship rising scene in the trailer.
In it Daniel and Walter (NOT Nite Owl & Rorschach, you will note) finally clear the air between them and we see there is still a small piece of Kovacs buried deep within Rorschach that reaches out and knows Driberg was and is his friend. It's not a huge scene it's not done with flowery language or profound gestures, it's simple yet it humanises Rorschach like nothing else. That's not unremittingly bleak. It's touching yet in no way sentimental.
It's one of my favourite moments and it had better be in there Snyder ! heh.
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When he vaporizes that guy, he's like sort of smiling but it just looks like the animators didn't bother to put expression to him. His static face and oversized slo-mo body reminds me of that giant motherfucker from Ghostbusters.
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You say that they are not heroes and that they are just terrible people and the entire novel pulls out the nasty side of humanity and human nature. Hmm, interesting, but I read it differently.
Reading Watchmen, yes, the characters are all losers, has-beens, yesterday's celebrities trying to fit into this world theyve burnt out of. They are losers, in mid-life crisis's, all with very HUMAN problems and relations. But to say they aren't heroes is so wrong, in my opinion. They are heroes. Moore just deconstructs them to not LOOK like heroes. People read their comics and magazines expecting their heroes to look the same as celebrities with big muscles, cool fighting moves, etc. yet these heroes (Ozymandias not included) are just regular people, they aren't the glamor that the media expects them to be, which is why they don't get the admiration and appreciation they deserve. Ozy could even be a hero depending on how you view his morals and his choices, the ambiguous choice of whether or not Ozy is a hero is what makes Watchmen very fascinating.
I agree though, the trailer shows these characters as the type of glamourized superhero that the novel goes so far to say they are not. The suits are poor, however I like Ror's, I'm not picky enough to complain about whether or not it's tailored. And yeah, the action is just for pure Hollywood popcorn blitz to attract people to an action movie.
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Yeah, the trailer does little to sell the movie. A more ideal trailer would begin with a background to the story, such as masked heroes showing up, then being banned, then the mystery of someone wiping them out. That would give people an idea of what it's about and what direction it's going, rather than a series of random cuts to characters that regular audiences wouldn't recognize. The trailer feels like a jerk off to geeks who actually know who these characters are. Showing slow mo Silk Spectre will do nothing for people who are unfamiliar, they'll say "oh, ok, it's some super hero chick?" Probably assuming it's a shitty made up superhero like in Hancock or something, rather than a classic character. Sure, it says it's based off a graphic novel, but these characters aren't exactly as big in popular culture as Batman. So when the Dark Knight trailer doesn't explicitely say "This is Batman, he's a rich guy who fights crime" it's ok because people know that already (assumingly). Where as with Watchmen no one is going to know who the fuck this floating blue man is with no pupils and has 2 clones of himself.
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I sympathize with your point of view, but it wasn't Dan and Walter. It was Dan and Rorschach. Even after learning R's name - which he never knew when they were working together - seeing him out of his costume for hours, spending ages with him as they try to work through the puzzle and finally snapping before they force their way through the tension, Dan never calls R "Walter." There is no "Walter." He's been dead for ten years. R only unmasks because he wants to be invisible for surveillance and the like. No one knows him without his *face*, he says.
Chapter Five, "The Abyss Gazes Also," page 19
Dr. Long: I'd Like to talk about Rorschach. Will you do that for me, Walter? Will you talk about Rorschach?
R: You keep calling me Walter. I don't like you.
Page 21 - R: Shock of impact ran along my arm, jet of warmth spattered on chest like hot faucet. It was Kovacs who said, "Mother" then, muffled under latex. It was Kovacs who closed his eyes. It was Rorschach who opened them again.
I don't think Rorschach/Kovacs is supposed to be a multiple personality in the classic sense, but something in him went away during his "Mad Max" moment and whoever he became, he wasn't really Kovacs any longer, because Kovacs would no longer allow himself to exist in such a world. -
I think its a good trailer because if you dont know anything about the comic, you have no fucking idea what the movies about...except that there are some people with powers, and something bad is going to happen (with Rorschrachs voice).
I am sure there will be slow-mo/fast mo in the movie, but I honestly think a lot of it was added because of the slow music. Its not an action movie, its not a regular superhero movie, its drama,and a sad one at that. So it is appropriate for the trailer to have lots of slow motion. You would prefer one with lots of cuts and pop music? -
And, as a fan and reader of the original,
nobody can say that this does not KICK GLUTES. F*&n sick. Or as my 80's geek self would say, AWESOME.
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I do see how people who haven't read the book might be totally confused. Our 17-year-old intern at work today saw the trailer during DK last night, and I asked him about the Watchmen trailer this morning... and he said, "it looks weird. Are they all evil? It's like they're all villains." Y'know, how can you explain the story to someone like that? The kid is fanboy material too.. he just ain't familiar with the story OR the feel of the 80s that made it so cool AT THE TIME... so maybe it will be just for the original geeks... that's enough for me though, I'll be there sucking it up like a fly on shit, I;m not embarrassed...
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*SPOILERS* From page 15 of the Abyss gazes also.
I'm not saying he's got M.P.D. I'm saying that for the briefest moment the Kovacs Rorschcach that Driberg worked with for all those years "resurfaces" from beneath the mask just like the Owlship "resurfaces" from beneath the waves in the very next scene.
It's a fleeting glimpse but it's there. Just as we see the fleeting glimpse of Dribergs hidden streak of Rorschach when he threatens to take out the entire neighborhood with the Owlship's firepower as he learns of his mentors fate. And who brings him back from the brink ? Irony of Ironies, Rorschach.
What if Nite Owl had been helping when Rorschach was tackling the child killer could he have brought Kovacs back from the brink ? Just one of the many questions this book makes you think about. -
Jul 18, 2008 10:59:01 PM CDT
My wife has never read the Watchmen or even heard of them..
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..but after seeing the trailer she wants to check out the collection. Mission accomplished, bitches..
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I should say. As Nite Owl quickly reverts back to his normal persona as did Rorschach.
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It just keeps on Kicking Ass!
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I never get tired of seeing it! I must admit though it ISN'T very non-fan friendly....it played with Dark Knight and most people in the cinema were like....hmmm....that looked...kinda cool...but what was it? And I am like....Peeeeeople!! That is the most acclaimed graphic novel of all time! Says SO!
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Or WE3.
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I'm just in awe of the beautiful mechanical design of that thing. Zack & Co aren't half-assing ANYTHING. That said, KEEP THE SQUID!
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but I always saw it as a conscious decision on Rorschach's part. He realizes he's gone too far and he has to step back, so he calls on what's left of his older self. I'm horribly cynical, though, so that no doubt colors my reading.
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is being sold at my local hipster art book boutique. Mission accomplished.
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is under development as a live-action feature with the animals done CGI. FYI.
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*SPOILER* I won't force my reading of it on anyone else but I do think it's a pivotal scene in a lot of ways and Rorschach reaches out after Driberg has said sorry and they should get under way, so it's not "necessary" just "right" and the human thing to do.(which for Rorschach is frankly an almost alien concept by then)
But hey, it just shows how Superior Watchmen is when there is rarely just one "correct" interpretation of the characters their actions and their motivations, so complex are they.
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Is this day and age of the PG-13 Terminator movies, would it even be possible to shoot WE3 as it stands? I seriously doubt it. Imagine the marketing- "Oh look, a cute little movie with talking animals!" All the little girls thing the cyborg bunny is cute (which he is) so stupid, stupid parents bring their little princesses to the theater, and are entertained by two solid hours of exploding heads, decapitations, people being riddled with bullets, cyborg animals literally ripping each other to shreds, etc. etc. etc.
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across the country, barnes and noble cant keep it on the shelves...amazon out of stock till the 25th....not since batman in 89 has there been this much excitement in the comic book medium...zack has done his good deed for the decade...
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that people seem so concerned whether or not this movie will make money .WHO CARES! i just care if it's going to be good or not . I am not convinced it will be 100% or evn 80% accurate ( and not not really that concerned either ) , I just want it to be close and true to the tone and themes . That's all we can hope for .
Just re-read it today and I have to say that my interpretation is that Moore set out to show that sometimes being a hero is rescuing people from a burning building , and sometimes being a hero is killing a sick bastard who feeds little girls to his dogs and sometimes being a hero is wiping out a few million people to avoide WW3 . All of these things were done by the "normal" hero's not the "superhero" . Doc Manhatten was too busy staring at quarks and gluinos and bailing off to Mars so as to avoide any sort of responsiblity .
I think the overall idea is that people have the ability to do great good and great harm when they are willing to make the right decisions that are in the best interest of mankind as a whole and not just selfish choices with no regard to others . In addition , he is saying that with great power comes great responsiblity , and Ozym ( even though what he did appears evi ) is actually willing to do the right thing . Only later does the so called " superhero" understand because he has lost what makes him " human ".
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Jul 19, 2008 4:50:20 AM CDT
As Cool as it looks theres one simple Reason it proabably won't
by nabster
One movie is too short to condense the whole story of Watchmen, pure and simple.
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Are you talking about the awkward, lingering handshake? Only recently have I started to see that as a hint at R's repressed homosexuality - he really HATES women. "NG" indeed. Open to interpretation of course, but again - every reading reveals something new.
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Great voice also. When I read the funny book I heard that type of voice. Manhatten and Rorschach look top notch. Good job Mr. Snyder, good job.
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As the Comedian? Watched it like 5 times and was totally convinced it was him....then went to IMDB to learn it wasn't! I feel cheated!
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The biggest source of interest over the next eight months for me will be to watch the studio back slowly away from this movie. It's a guaranteed money pit for them. The impending - staggering - failure of this film is going to be a fascinating study to watch. There is absolutely no chance of this doing well, in my opinion. I'm predicting a $50m take for the whole thing - IF THEY'RE LUCKY. I'm not just basing this on the trailer. I'm basing it on the colossal, monumental, stunning and staggering stupidity of the audience at home. See, I honestly believe that American moviegoers as a rule currently can't really rise above movies with titles like OW! THAT'S A HARD FART. I mean, that's about where I think the intellect level in the US is at the moment. Did you know that in many states showing DARK KNIGHT there are subheadings on marquees making sure to refer to it as THE DARK KNIGHT (BATMAN)? Did you know that the British film LICENSE TO KILL had to be changed from its original title LICENSE REVOKED because tests showed nobody in America knew what the word REVOKED meant? Did you know the studio has moved the release date twice for MIDNIGHT MEAT TRAIN because people's response to the title have been to think, despite what they saw in the trailer, thast it was a gay porno? I'm not making a joke there. And you honestly think you can get any of these people to put down the Funions and try to comprehend the complexity of WATCHMEN?
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I mean, right now, honestly, I think these are people who would stab themselves in the hand and, if you gave them a Duff Beer, they'd drink it before going to the hospital. These are people who stab themselves in the eye and then wonder why they can't see. These are people who drown babies in sinks because they misinterpret the instructions on a bottle of baby shampoo when it says NO MORE TEARS and take it as a command. These are people who say they're upset by the depletion of the rainforest while at a McDonald's having burgers and fries. These are people who get upset when people ogle their daughters but spend all their money buying that same daughter a pair of shorts that reads JUICY ASS on the back pockets AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE CONNECTION. These are people who think Osama Bin Landen and Barack Obama are from the same family. These are people who can't find the United States on a map that focuses at its center on the United States. These are people who DON'T KNOW HOW TO EVEN UNFOLD A MAP in the first place. And you honestly think they'll go to and enjoy WATCHMEN? If the people I'm talking about above were the minortity, I'd understand - but they're not. They're like 70 percent of the viewing public.
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And furthermore, there's something I call the 'Geek Dollar.' If you look at most genre/comic films, there's a guaranteed audience of about $30m that will go to them - unless you're talking something like SPEED RACER, which despite its quality not even the genre fans went to see. That same $30m props up HELLBOY (and its sequel - opening at about the same with inflated dollars meaning HELLBOY 2 is staggeringly less successful than its first film, despite people insisting in a bundle of flop-sweat that it's doing better - "Our little money is doing great!" said one executive in reaction to the failure of KING KONG in the face of Narnia). So, you take that $30m and that's a MAXIMUM debut for WATCHMEN - and no way it will be there. It's going to be the same as the movie version of RENT - studios will try to convince us all that everyone is talking about it, but in reality when the actual movie comes out the story will be a dead artifact from the 1980s about which nobody will give even the most rudimentary care. and then it will fade into obscurity while rallied fanboys proclaim it a classic between their teeth and, even if you can avoid the spit, you'll still not be able to face-to-face debate them because of the natural irrationality of someone whose primary entertainment is watching TRON while naked and surrounded by Warhammer dolls. Thank you.
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...for wasting the 5 minutes of my life it took to read your ridiculous, pompous posts, Spymunk. You are a tool. Now if you will excuse me, I am going to read USAToday, eat a Biggie-sized Baconator meal, and rewatch season 2 of Deadwood. Buh bye...
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A guy who says Speed Racer and 300 are awesome cinema is supposed to have anything even remotely resembling a valid opinion on this?! GTFO...
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hillarious post....honestly i agree with u on alot of what u wrote...namely the rampant stupidity in america....i think the stupidity is at about 40% actually...lol...as for WATCHMEN....honestly i had never knew what it was till about a year ago when they kept talking about it on this site and others...it kinda piqued my interest and i investigated it....that being said , this trailer is amazing to me , and i know almost nothing about watchmen beyond what i read in wikipedia....apparently there are a lot of harcore, following it since birth watchmen fans out there ....and if someone like me , who never heard of them less than a year ago wants to be there the first day this film opens then i think there are going to be alot of people showing up , beyond the "target audience" of geeks as u say...look, if only transformer fans showed up for that movie it woulda been a less than impressive box office....but it got people that werent neccesarily transfans in the seats and the movie was a blockbuster.....same will happen with WATCHMEN
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the preview had a song from the Batman and Robin soundtrack? I love the Smashing Pumpkins and they are my favorite band but I am taking this as a bad omen.
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I agree with what you said about Batman Begins. The theme of that movie is FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY. Becaues it's all about FEAR: confronting your fears, saving the FEARFUL and using FEAR against the bad people so that they can feel what it's like to truly FEAR.You know how I know that the theme is FEAR?Because I was repeatedly hit over the head with a large mallet emblazoned with the word FEAR whilst I was attempting to watch the movie. Even as I left the theatre, I could hear Liam Neeson yelling after me, "FEAR AFFECTS THE FEARFUL AND MAKES THEM FEAR FEAR ITSELF AND THE OTHER THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE TO BE FEARED! REMEMBER TO FEAR THE FEAR, THE FEARFUL AND THE AFEARED!"As for Watchmen, I have several reasons for being FEARFUL of how this movie will play. Of course the trailer gives absolutely no indication as to whether the movie will be any good; I've yet to see a trailer that does. All you can really say from the trailer is that it looks like a professionally-made movie - as opposed to one made by amateurs. But there are a couple of things that concern me all the same:At the moment it's looking too clean, too polished and too slick. Watchmen needs to have the feel of grimy pulp fiction. We were promised that Snyder was going to draw inspiration from TAXI DRIVER for the look of the movie. So what the hell happened?...Why has Rorschach been given a Batman 'Hero' voice? In the comic book, Moore and Gibbons deliberately corrupted his speech bubbles, which indicates that his voice should be dripping in decay - or should in some way reflect his disturbed state of mind.The slow-mo and speeded-up film effect they keep using. Er, they're not REALLY going to use that in the final movie are they? THis isn't the Matrix. And he already used it in 300. Which leads me on to...300. Great comic book - mainly because of its layout and style: visually it's very powerful . But it made for a mediocre movie. Sure, Snyder pulled off a clever trick - referencing Miller's graphics etc, but the mistake was to stick so slavishly to the comic book: the plot was just too thin for a movie.Because we have much HIGHER expectations of movies than we do of comic books in terms of plot and writing. Which leads me to:Sin City. Another faithful frame-by-frame translation of a comic book. An interesting visual experiment; a very dull movie.This leads me to my final FEAR: I've no doubt that Snyder will be faithful to the story. But I think this may be to the detriment of how the story might work through the medium of film. I don't think the movie will be terrible. But I suspect it may be pretty boring.
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This trailer is full of little extra things you wouldnt notice first time you see it...how about Doc's giant legs in the scene in Vietnam where the Comedian is flamethrowing a vietcong? or the original illustrated spectre during the shot of the comedian fighting his assassin? WTC in the NY skyline when the ship comes out of the water? I for one didnt notice those two things the first time...
When i first saw the trailer i was a little disappointed, i felt the movie looked too stylish...but i really do like the style, it works for the most part, sure the costumes seem a bit out of place considering the time this is taking place...no one in that time would have ever gone for that style...i dont think. Anyhow as i was saying...style is all said and good...what the trailers dont show and we probably wont see for a while is how the movie tackles the drama...the really difficult stuff. and what weighing it gets. But yeah for now its really impressive, im in. -
Looks like they clicked around on YouTube and found the insta-secret to making Supa' Cool Awesome To-The-Max (Fanboy-Made-on-a-Mac) Trailors:
HEAVY GOTH SONG!!!!
CUT RANDOM SCENES TOGETHER!!!!!
SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW MOTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the best graphic novel adaptation was "Road to Perdition." The acting was top notch...the DP work by Conrad Hall was amazing. Read, 300... it was entertaining... I was hoping for a tad more depth in the film adaptation... but didn't get it... so it was just "mediocre" for me. A better realistic film about the "Battle of Thermopylae" would have been "Gates of Fire" (based on a novel by Steven Pressfield) that Michael Mann was planning on shooting. That's likely not to happen now.
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THE GLORY OF COMICS!!! I know that about 50 percent of the flicks made SUCK, but it's a good time to be a comic book fan right now. Everything going on now is a stark contrast to the developmental hell or litigation nightmares and piss poor product that my early comic loving years (90-94) were plagued with.I've already had 5 people...including my MOM...ask me about Watchmen. I'm confident all of them will be buying it off Amazon.Hmmm. Is this what being a Christian feels like!?!? NO WONDER!
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Srry!
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I agree...the Comedian in the trailer looked like Kirk Lazarus from Tropic Thunder.
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When Veidt and Doc Manhattan talk at the end and...Veidt asks Doctor Manhattan if he was right. if "in the end" he'd made the right decisions. Manhattan says "In the end? Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends."Doctor Manhattan vanishes while Veidt is saying "What do you mean??"...leaving him wondering, not sure of these drastic actions in which he took becuase his contemporary did not approve.
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I just didn't think it would look this good...wow! The Comedian going out the window looked perfect, though I haven't gone to the bookshelf to compare. Dr. Manhattan..awesome! I'm a lot more optimistic about this movie.
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ZS even kept Laurie's mole!
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I really liked the trailer when I first saw it. After watching it I read the graphic novel.
The graphic style just does not fit with the characters. Dr. Manhattan is the only character that fits in at all.
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Don't understand why so many are bitching over the ending being changed... Zach flat out states he's keeping the original ending. You can download the article and see for yourself. I had no idea this could look so good. Doc M looks fantastic.
And elBox, did you READ 300? The characters were written to be archetypes, and that's how they were filmed. The entire movie was an oral history being told a year later to psych up the troops, or did you think that Persians really had monsters in their armies? Every character was an idealized version of that character. What Snyder has shown he is 'capable of' is recreating EXACTLY what the original artist intended, in this case. Re-read 300 if you've actually read it, and compare to the characterization you're lamenting in the film. It's all there.
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"Whatever happened to the American Dream?" "It came true." "You don't understand. I'm not trapped in here with you. You're trapped in here with me." The scene where ten year old Rorsharch puts the cigarette through the teenage kid's eye. Of course, Veidt must catch the bullet. "I wasn't sure that would actually work." "The morality of my activities escapes me." "Well, that ain't the kind of cancer I got." And I hope that Snyder looked at the very last frame, where you don't know if the kid picks up Rorsharch's journal or not, and decided to kill that particular Shrodinger's cat.
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I think Watchmen is one of the best books I've ever read, and it's one of my all-time favorites. The first time I read it I finished the final panel and began re-reading it like I was turning the page. I couldn't get enough. That was years ago when I was 25 and it was my first serious comics experience. My introduction to the world of comics if you will. I've since read a ton of graphic novels and just about everything Alan Moore has ever written, but nothing has ever come close to Watchmen. Over the years I've paid close attention to the development of this particular piece of movie property and you can imagine my excitement when about a year ago a friend of mind who works in the industry gave me Alex Tse's final draft and told me it was the shooting script. David Hayter's name is nowhere to be seen so I can't say for sure if he made his contributions before or after this draft was turned in. Obviously things can change, but I will tell you all this...
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They did not keep the ending. At least not in the draft I read. I'll tell you another thing, it's good. I will say categorically that I like the new direction they took. I won't say exactly what happens, I'm not that big of a dick, but I think it's a pretty fucking cool twist. Just don't go in thinking it's another panel-for-panel reproduction like 300 (terrible movie) was. It's not. But it does stay faithful enough to the source material to keep the fans happy. I'm sure of that. The only things I didn't like were the complete omission of The Black Pirate Freighter (only a quick shot of the boy reading next to the news stand), and the way I felt someday, possibly, it could spawn a sequel. That would be awful. I'm really hoping for a one-and-done, V For Vendetta type scenario, but I won't hold my breath. Not that naive. My point here is: get excited, people. This movie's going to fucking rock. -
perfect batman voice imo
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Is Veidt pronounced with a long A sound (like 'vate') or with a long I sound (like 'vite'). In my mind it was always a long "A" but what do I know? Oh, and it's pretty cool that Hollis Mason is going to be played by a Zach Snyder vet whats-his-name that was that older (good) senator in 300 that looks out for Queen Gorgo. It's cool when directors cast people they've worked with before. I also wonder if they'll keep whoever plays Hooded Justice uncredited, just to add to the mystery.
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Jul 20, 2008 3:11:43 AM CDT
Come March Spymunk will say: Save me! And I will whisper no...
by stormwatcher
As his world comes crumbling down, not only critical success but financial too and words like the pinnacle of comic movies being thrown about. Mark my word Spymonkey, you will cry for a salvation that will elude you.
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the way I read the final panel is not that Ror necessarily won.... its more that doing the right thing (telling the truth) can sometimes have more horrific consequences than doing the wrong thing. Veidt was a mass murderer, yet saved billions of lives. Ror told the truth, but that truth may cost billions of lives if it revives the conflict. Likewise, I disagree with Spymunk that Watchmen's characters are bad people. They're simply people trying to do the right thing... only the right thing is tainted by their own insecurities and desires. The book asks the question: "what if doing what you think is right means horrific consequences for others?" to varying degrees, all the characters are faced with this problem by the end of the book. The final panel truly begs this question, particularly since it pits Ror and Ozy -- both characters who leave very little room for moral doubt for themselves-- against each other. Are they being selfish or moral by sticking to their guns even when it may mean mass death?
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It took me umpteen times watching this awesome trailer to notice but when the Owlship rises from the Hudson River you can see the twin towers in the skyline. I thought that was a very nice touch establishing this as 1985 America.
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It is in that same March time slot that has moviegoers starting to come out of winter hibernation just like 300 had and they will wanna check out Snyder's latest movie.
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like another superhero movie cobbled together but in my cinema the audience was definitely intrigued and recognized this was something different probably b/c of the ominous music choice and the way it is edited so epic-like. When these people see the movie they are gonna be floored I think to see this is NOT the average superhero movie and a welcome relief in a time where they may start to be getting saturated. This will give everyone a welcome breath of fresh air b4 heading into the next group of superhero movies. I mean...here you dont have exactly the most common heroes. A washed-up superhero with insecurity issues (Nite Owl), a girl lost without an identity and getting older without purpose in life and a boyfriend that becomes increasingly colder (Silk Spectre, a self-proclaimed god who regards humanity with extreme indifference (Dr. Manhattan), a guy who raped one of his teammates, joyfully burned Vietnamese soldiers, stabbed to death the Vietnamese girl he got pregnant among other atrocities (The Comedian), a detective who plays downright dirty and has a childhood that would make the most experienced psychiatrist crack (Rorshach) and then SPOILER Ozymandias who is the only guy among the bunch without a single flaw....and he turns out to be the main villain of the story. So, yeah I think this one is gonna really impress people and the box office.
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Sad that we'll never see Greengrass's version, give me United 93 and The Bourne Ultimatum over Dawn of the Dead and 300 any day of the week.
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FireDragon76: Tse has done at least 2 different drafts, the last one we know of being in 2006... and in November of 2007 Snyder did the interview with Starlog saying EXPLICITLY "Absolutely I'm keeping the ending from the Graphic Novel." I don't know many ways to interpret that other than he's KEEPING THE ENDING. Furthermore, if he WASN'T keeping the ending, lying about it would only serve to piss off the fanboys even more. He could easily have said that he was keeping as many iconic moments as he could, and the spirit of the GN was intact... but he flat out stated he was keeping the original ending. It was the biggest question asked in the interview, and he gave a straight answer in November 2007. Unless you've seen a shooting script written AFTER November 2007 (which would make you the only one on the entire interweb), I think we can take ZS at his word that he'll do another 300-style adaptation straight from the boxes onto the screen. FWIW, I thought Tse's second draft wasn't terrible, but it would require too many gymnastics to explain why Doc Manhattan wasn't still seen as a tool of the USA, sparking further hostilities. The original ending is infinitely better.
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The only thing I'm going to be begging for as far as salvation come the release of this movie will be an escape from all the hand-wringing of fanboys crying out "What went wrong? Why didn't people GO?" Or, even worse, the ones who will be saying, and I can pretty much guarantee this one: "Hey, come on! This movie's not doing that bad! $17m opening in the US + $23m worldwide means a $40m opening! That's almost as good as 1989's BATMAN opening weekend - the studio is DEFINITELY happy with this." Um, no - studios now only accept $100m openings as 'good,' no matter how much the movies cost. And I can put down my money right now to say this movie ain't got a $100m opening on the way. The bottom line of studios IS the bottom line, and financial decisions are the force/drive behind everything studios do. Everything. If you want to know how I would've marketed the movie, I would have been up-front about its origins, avoided the words 'graphic novel' (which usually translates to mean 'shitty overwrought postmodern drama comic book'), would've spent a little cash on posters that gave explanations of who the characters were: THE COMEDIAN (with a little profile, not just a picture) like they did with X-MEN, and made sure the teaser explained the date/setting/politics/parallel history. I would've avoided at ALL COSTS including Dr. Manhattan in the ads. I would've done Black Freighter as a web show and started running it months in advance with a series of comemrcials guiding people to the site. I would've avoided the 300-style trailer and I would've simply put in a lot of good lines of dialogue from the comic over a quick montage of fade-in/fade-out images one on top of the other to give it a dreamlike quality while at the same time emphasizing not the action but the drama of it, and avoided the trailer's for-geeks-only setpiece shots. In short, I would've worked hard to try to get Joe Bob Twenty-Pack to at least have a sliver of an idea in his microcelaphic brain.
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Another element that eludes me on this movie is Snyder's supposedly slavish view of the comic, coupled with his complaint that he couldn't fit everything into the movie he wanted because of all the side-stuff that the series put into the back pages. Never before in the history of fanboy-driven movies have I seen a more idiotic response to the source material. So, what you're telling me, Zack, is that the ONE TIME the source material really asks for web-based content like a web-page with fake commercials and dossiers and all the other bullshit that websites truck out to 'value add' to the movies, the ONE time the source material actually has it already written and you don't need to bullshit the auidence by basically repeating things from the movie in different or more technical wording - you decide to just abandon the web and not even bother doing any of it? You could've done ads for the perfume, dossiers, the fake report on action figures of the Watchmen, etc. But, no, that would only make sense and help explain the world of the comic. You're a regular fucking genius.
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... maybe that's because studios have finally figured out just how useless viral marketing really is. Because IT DOESN'T WORK. Look at SNAKES ON A PLANE. Yeah, that's a sound business model - promote a movie to an audience that is just going to steal it from the web two weeks before it comes out and spend the cost of a night at the cinema on another month membership to EVERWAR ONLINE: THE OBSESITY LEGION.
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The draft I read was dated 1-31-07, so believe me when I say the ending is different. Different but the same. Adrian achieves his goal the exact same way he does in the GN, but he does it in an entirely different way. The spirit is intact and then some. Some people will say the new ending is better, some hard-core fans won't like it. What are ya gonna do? When Z.S. says he's keeping the original ending intact he's not lying. It's unimaginable and it's even more brutal than in the GN. It also makes a lot of sense. Like I said before, I'm a rabid fan of this book and I like what they did. I think most of you will too. Just don't expect Cloverfield.
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So Zack lies, is what you're saying, when he says the ending is intact. Look - if it has Squiddy, then it's intact. If it's ANYTHING OTHE THAN SQUIDDY - the ending is not intact. Which is it? What's that you say? The studio demanded a change to the ending because it knew nobody'd get it - and Zack willingly obliged - and then had to come up with a cover story that would mollify fanboys and get them rallying to his cause? There's a shocker. This whole debate reminds me of an article I read in COMICS SCENE -way- back in 88/89 where the director of the Lundgren PUNISHER movie said in the span of two paragraphs: "I want to make sure that we keep this as close to the comic book as possible!" followed by the exact quote "We didn't want to use the skull on his chest becuase it looked too comic-booky." Yeah, that's what we've got here with Squiddy all over again. Thanks, Zack, for sticking to your guns and walking off the project and defaming it in the press unless they changed the ending to the original. You really stood up for the material.
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What are you talking about? They've already started doing viral marketing, with the YouTube Veidt ad contest that ended a few weeks ago (which a friend of mine won). I'm sure there will be more as the movie gets closer. Why would you assume they're not doing 'any' web content? The film is still eight months away!
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The contest is for something to appear in the movie - it doesn't explain the world or anything like that. Gregory, I want to point out something to you. Right now, today, the top headline of CNN.COM is "Batman Sets Record for Opening Weekend" and the very next headline is "Boy Left In Car Dies Before Wedding."
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I did not know you could do that, and considered it a huge flaw in the TalkBacks. I was flawed instead. Thank 'ye!
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The fact they tweaked the ending doesn't hurt the overall picture one bit. And as an aspiring screenwriter I get why they did it. They're not making 2 movies, some stuff has to get the ax. Sorry everybody, but that's how it works. Joker, like you said, as long as the spirit of the original work remains intact. I'm telling you it does. I can't wait for the tb's after people start seeing it. Just remember where you heard it 1st!
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I'm actually really excited for the WATCHMEN movie. I've always thought it could make a brilliant piece of cinema.
What I also think, though, is that studios are interested in making money uber alles.
When I talked about being honest about the film's origins and not trying to sell it as a 'graphic novel' is the fact that the term 'graphic novel' was invented so that people wouldn't be embarassed to say they like 'comic books.'
I, personally, would have merged illustrations into the images and shown people it has its origin as a comic book. Which is what it is. Not a graphic novel. It's a comic book. They're - the - same - thing. And trying to deny it by inventing some half-assed term like 'graphic novel' is just a weak attitude, IMO. My thinking: let people deal with it in their faces. If they choose to miss it because it's a comic book, then stamp their foreheads with FAIL. I hate pandering to the lowest common denominator like that, and I think artists who do that don't deserve respect, nor films nor studios, nor marketing campaigns. So right there, from the moment they say "FROM THE ACCLAIMED GRAPHIC NOVEL" they've lost my respect completely.
"Sin City, V for Vendetta, 300, Road to Perdition, and A History of Violence," you say. And one - one of those - was a box-office hit. The others fell FAR short of studio expectations or hopes. One. So, yeah.
RE: Removing Dr. Manhattan - yeah, I'd remove him, because you're going to instantly cost the box-office of this movie a good percentage by admitting you've got a super-powered man in it. There are a TON of people who just flat-out won't go to see it because of that. I recall vividly a conversation with a couple who were standing outside of a theater debating what movie to see (they were a bit like the 'Two A-Holes' on Saturday Night Live - therefore, the vast majority of the viewing audience - and all of America) and the woman suggested they see LION/WITCH/WARDROBE, and the man, chewing his gum, said "That's a fuckin' cartoon, though, isn't it, babe?" and then a woman walked by them and said "NARNIA is beautiful - it's just, a great movie, you should go see it." and he said "But it's a fuckin' cartoon, right?" and she said "No, it's got live actors and sets." and he said "But there's, like, a talking lion, right?" and she said "Aslan, but he's not a cartoon." and he said "If he's a talkin' lion then he's a cartoon. C'mon, babe, let's see somethin' else. I don't wanna see a fuckin' cartoon." Welcome to the American Viewing Public. -
RE: Teaser/v/Trailer - what I'm thinking is that you should really try to get people to go to see it, and that means, I think, preying heavily on what it is that gets people into the theater nowadays. I'd've gone for a more dreamlike look, make the whole teaser resemble a CSI episode, women's bodies, blood spurting in big arcs over the ground, with the camera angles sliding across these features, and show lines of dialogue on the screen in a twisty blue font against black background as they're being spoken like "... go into oblivion. There is nothing else" and "We gaze continually at the world and it grows dull in our perceptions" so you're subconsciously selling the movie as philosophy and drama but you're showing them a picture of boobies and people being set on fire and gunfire and rocket ships and Squiddy being barely hinted at. Basically, you need to sell the movie this way: tits! guns! blood! gore! sex! sex! sex! That's all your audience understands and it's all they can latch on to in order to make their workaday lives more than a series of tubes.
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Your reply shows you DO have intellect. You actually paid attention to what I said, and responded. I thank you for that. I never took any of your words as angry. I'm not actually pompous nor egotistical. I just observe things in the news and the world and I think a person of -average- intelligence, like you or me, is a genius by comparison to the vast majority.
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"it's not just about loads of destruction with no-one to blame, if that's all people are getting out of it then i think you really missed the point.
The giant dead alien from another dimension that fries brains signifies many things (to me), including:
There is no God or at least all religions are wrong. grow up.
The universe is a big scary place. grow up.
All we have is each other. grow up.
Didn't see that coming did you bitch. grow up.
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It simply boggles the mind that Zack & his writers think they're better storytellers than Alan Moore. Don't they think that Moore thought about all possible endings before landing on the squid. I doubt Alex Tse is going to write a novel that will be studied, read, & loved 100 years from now. Sorry to say it but a WATCHMEN film is simply a multimillion dollar XEROX copy of an original creation. In reality, if a copy/adaptation is skewed, blemished, or flawed, then what is it? It's garbage. Disposable. ZACK SNYDER NEEDS TO KEEP THE SQUID.
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I for one DON'T want trailers that compress the plot into 2 or 3 mins. I want to sense the atmosphere of a Movie and an idea of what it's about but I don't want spoonfeeding and I think you underestimate the appeal that an intelligent Movie about superheroes can have.
The Dark Knight is 2 and a half hours and though it ain't perfect it couldn't be farther away from Hancock and special effects fight fests.
Has the trailer worked ?
THAT is the question. And I am hearing sales of Watchmen have Rocketed and will continue to Rocket. So it HAS peaked the interest of a large portion of those who seen the trailer in TDK and know nothing about it.
Will it make TDK's BoxOffice ? Frankly I can't see that happening under any circumstance. But I myself see no reason why it won't do good Box Office. Yes there is the "Meet Dave" portion of the Cinema viewing public but it isn't the only one and those who like a Movie that they think is done well often see it more than once.
What seems to be missing here is the fact that some of the "scenes" in Watchmen will translate superbly because they are Superb unforgettable scenes.
That's good Box Office however you slice it.
**SPOILERS** The 2 Fridge scenes. Think they won't be superb ? Particularly the second. hehehe. Rorschach in the Prison ? That's ALL Gold and the escape is action aplenty. Vietnam should be gripping and Mars could be breathtaking.
But lets be honest here BoxOffice is BoxOffice and that is all it will ever be. Money. If this is a good Movie that brings the characters to life and interests a far greater amount of people in the original then job done I.M.H.O.
But in all honesty if we ARE speculating (and nobody knows for sure so absolutes and declaratives are misplaced) I think it will make it's production costs back fairly easily and then surpass them by quite some margin when the DVD special editions appear. -
Watchmen is a great multi-layered piece of literature, and there's more to it than the squid at the end. If they are able to convey the several layers tackled in the novel and still make a more cinematic ending than a giant squid, I'm fine with that. I'll enjoy the movie if it brings to life the characters we've been so intrigued about all these years. They can always do an alternate squid ending for the DVD to satisfy the 100% purists, but have a theater version that might piss fanboys off, but satisfy the bigger percentage of those that don't know the novel. If they use Doc Manhattan instead of the squid, I think it still stays true to the theme of absolute (super) power corrupts absolutely. Fans will STILL see the movie, new fans will still see the movie---some will be pissed off, but I think the majority will be entertained. And if they do include an alternate ending in the DVD, then they've covered their bases. If you don't like the ending, go back to the novel and enjoy it in that format. No one can change that or take it away from you.
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Just to be clear I'm not saying TDK isn't great. Just that I had a couple of very minor quibbles with it that were in the end easily overlooked and hardly film killers. It's excellent cinema and a real step up for that type of film.
Squiddy will always have a place in Watchmen fans hearts but I'm not going to join any boycott the film style outrage because of it.
It's not the book. It's a Movie. Simple as.
There would ALWAYS be something to piss the die hards off who are expecting an EXACT word for word retelling of the book.
Anino's right, the book isn't going anywhere so if you want the original vision reread or buy the book. Problem solved :) -
This is a brief fucking teaser, specifically designed to appease those of you who have been crying like babies since the project was announced.
And you know what...it's fucking beautiful
There's still a very long time until it is released. Don't you realise that those long months will be entirely filled with dedicated artists improving on the already impressive work shown here?
Seriously, on the evidence shown, this film will fucking OWN. So quit fucking crying already! Thank whoever it is you thank that we have a dedicated geek with madskillz making our beloved book into celluloid.
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Yeah, at the end of the day it IS just a movie. But as a longtime reader of the book, it's tough to see a long held dream come true tainted. I waited 20 years for V For Vendetta to be made & the Wachowskis watered it down so much it became something else entirely. Like if Lennon had lived The Beatles reunited in 1990 only to produce an album of banjo hip-hop. Watchmen is the magnum opus of comic works & quite simply, it's the 20 year wait that makes the idea of an altered ending so damn bitter.
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jesus, that last line scared the shit out of me...
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You don't need a big squid for the ending! I mean, there's loads of possible alternatives.How about a giant cloud - that'd work!On a serious note, fanboys - check out Amazon for the over-sized hardback version of Watchmen. Pricey, but O.M.G. - utterly divine!
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At the risk of offering a serious point, I am sharing your apprehension. I'm forty years old this year and I bought Watchmen issue by issue on release (As I did with 'V' - at least partially, as the initial run was interrupted). Unlike your good self, I was not disappointed by the movie version of 'V' - a movie can never keep all the subtle nuances of a graphic novel. Indeed, I have 'sold' many friends on the movie version of 'V' - non-geeks and non-comic readers alike - who have all enjoyed having their cosy, pre-conceived worlds challenged by this criminally underrated gem of a film. Come on, didn't the 'Valerie' sequence move you? That was lifted perfectly! Ok, so Alan Moore doesn't acknowledge it. Ok, so it's watered down, but watered down Alan Moore movie is still going to be leagues ahead of most Hollywood fare, isnt it?I genuinely have high hopes for this film. Sure, Snyder's slo-mo/speed-ups may prove distracting and Ozymandius is just plain wrong, but it's a full-on, balls-out 'R' rated version of our beloved source material, and even if you and I find that it's not entirely what we imagined, it will still gain converts who will pick up the book and really get the full effect, which can only be a good thing, don't you think?Anyway, if this movie actually does the biz and Alan Moore finally gets the kudos he deserves, can we PLEASE have a movie version of 'The Ballad Of Halo Jones'? Or 'Skizz'. Even 'D.R And Quinch' would do me, I'm not fussy...
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Why is everybody so concerned with the box office of this move ( or hell any movie for that matter )? All that matters is IS IT GOOD!!! I don't own stock in any studio's !! I just want a good movie that is as true to the source material as can be expected . ( like I said earlier 80% would be great ).
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Ni need to sweat the box office as their is no sequel to hope gets made either . ( Unlike Hellboy which , though a good movie IMO , couldn't have picked a worse opening weekend ) I would like to see a third one of those ...
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The Valerie sequence was the only part of the film I didn't have a problem with, in fact it is pretty wonderful. Everything else I thought was awful. People say you can't translate written nuances in film but I believe that to be false, by and large. A novel, a comic, a radio program, a film are all simple MEDIUMS to express INFORMATION. The difference being how each medium appeals differently to our senses (this also may depend on the genre of the work). I bet you can take any episode of THE PRISONER & reconstruct it (frame by frame/word for word) into a book, a comic, or a puppet show & much of the work be intact. Because it's just information: this the protagonist, he goes over there, he waits suspiciously , this happens, etc. The Wachowski's first mistake was softening up V's London. Watch the Richard Burton "1984", an incredibly depressing vision, that's what V's London is. In film, the populace looks well too upper middle class. V may as well have been acting out like a spoiled child because compared to the book, life in London wasn't bad. The suggested simulacrum with V's breakfast?! Removing the poetic justice of V's murders (the dolls/drugs,etc)?! Dunder-headed. They leave out so much of the EASILY TRANSLATEABLE nuance only to replace with badly thought-out subplots like the plague & V as the bearded old-man. And that point is treated like a genuine mystery by the filmmakers?! Haven't we learned anything from the successful SIN CITY experiment? While there will be exceptions to the rule, by & large you can take any written work & translate it to the screen without losing it's inherent "magic" & nuance. After all, every film begins as a book & becomes a comic which then filmed.
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Because we recognize that the numb-jobs who work as executives and hand out notes to studios will be strengthened or weakened by how movies are treated in terms of how much tampering the studios think they can get away with in the long run.
If the studio says: "Hey, we changed the ending of WATCHMEN and we made $50m more than our tests showed the idiot droolfucks who make up the viewing audience would have handed over to us with the original ending," it becomes MUCH more likely that the endings of other stories will be more likely to be changed to more 'droolfuck'-friendly material.
However, if the studios crap themselves at the thought of changing these endings, thinking "Gosh, we changed the ending of WATCHMEN and the theater turned into a ghost town - everyone was too smart for our asshanded view of how the movie should end! We were so stupid! Why do we have jobs? Why are we even alive?" - well, then, it would be a much happier world.
Likewise, and much more likely, the studios will look at a failure of WATCHMEN and say "Pleasing those arty comic-book jerks is not in our best interest. How's that new flick PUNISHER SMURF BABIES coming along?" -
The studios keep putting out crud regardless . The wachowski's seem to have built a career on overhyped dreck . ( or decent movie's based on changed source material both ) .
I firmly believe that regardless of WHY a film makes money ( which these days is marketing more than quality ) the studios will consistently think that they know what the public wants more than the filmmakers . So wether Watchmen makes $20 mill or $200 mill , they will still meddle .
This isn't a huge budget project and I am sure that they had some bean counter do an estimate take internationally with dvd sales and they " know " it will turn a profit . If it was a $200 million dollar tentpole then , perhaps , there could be some concern about box office . Otherwise , i just care if it's worth a damn as a movie . -
If you are so obsessed with Box Office then I fail to see why you would launch a tirade against an intelligent comic book having a chance to do well when the facts on the ground say the complete opposite.
Sure for every Dark Knight or Iron Man theres a half dozen catwoman type films. Clearly all Movies are a gamble but Spiderman and TDK says they are a gamble that can pay off big time.
I'm not convinced the studio changed the ending and until I hear otherwise I'm more likely to assume it was Snyder. **SPOILER**(It wouldn't be Squiddy that would frighten executives so much as thousands of bloody corpses covering the centre of New York as that might just be a touch close to the bone for some)
But I still cannot fathom why you think Watchmen is likely to be a failure on the strength of the trailer. Tastes differ but as has been said if nobody cared and this was such a trailer was such a failure why the sudden huge jump in the sales of Watchmen books ?
And the fans will go and see this however annoyed they may be at the changes. A living breathing Rorschach and Dr Manhattan is simply too enticing for those who love the book to pass up.
The one thing that we simply do not know apart from the intricacies of the changes and how much has been preserved is how good the acting is. THAT could kill it stone dead for a great many people if it's really dire, but there's certainly no reason to assume the cast are all terrible actors yet. -
So the trailer coming out got me into a Watchmen sort of mood, and I reread it last night and today. And a little plothole I never noticed before is bothering me [just a little] so I'm wondering if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain it away for me. In the first "episode", when Blake is found dead, Rorsharch "discovers" the Comedian costume, and then explains to other people that Blake was the Comedian, as if this was some sort of revelation. But in later "episodes" we see that Blake's identity as the Comedian was well known, that he operated in Viet Nam with no mask, that he was decorated by Ford with no mask, that he revealed his identity in '77, that his real name is in Hollis' book and in interviews given out by the original Spectre, etc. So was Blake's identity a mystery or not?
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hrmmm , after looking at the comic , i think Rorschach didn't know " who" lived in the apt , until he found the Comedians getup . Later he doesn't reveal the identity to Veidt he just goes to tell him that Blake is dead . So everybody DID know who he was , Rorschach just discovered that the comedian was the man thrown off the building
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I doubt Rorschach has any contact within the Police Departmentto tell him who was mudered and he's unlikely to make any enquires as Kovacs. Rorschach does all the detective work and he does it directly. Scene of the crime stuff.
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I've been lurking on this site for years. This trailer made me register and post. This trailer was so good I had to buy the novel. And download "The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning".
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Much better. Apparent plothole debunked.
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The film's still got a whole friggin' year of post-prod. Calm yourselves.
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Sadly, some of you still don't. The fact it's not a squid that does all the damage at the end is irrelevant to the overall story. What is relevant is properly fleshing out the characters and getting the point of the book across to a broadly stupid audience. Those of you who are pissed the most are the ones whose opinions I discount the quickest. I love the book, I've read the script. It's good. Don't let your attachment to this seminal work cloud your common sense when it comes to the movie adaptation. At least it's being made into a movie for fuck sake. Sure I would feel better if David Fincher was directing it, but even he would've probably taken out the fucking squid.
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I have to agree , to an extent . I always thought that the squid was a little... off . It just felt kind thrown in there ( not the ending itself , just the physical squid creature ) .
But , I am not convinced that a " blame it all on Doc M " is better .
But , then again.... any other scenario sounds like crap too.
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I mean....I look at my local 30 screen megaplex...I look at their grand marquee....I see Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Hellboy 2: The Golden Army, and now The Dark Knight (I mean not even with Batman in the title is how far we have come!!!) all up there...ok Iron Man is already off there but still....this is the dream. I even get to see an incredible trailer to FRACKING Watchmen in front of said Dark Knight movie!!! I gotta say if 10 years ago when I was graduating high school and sad that the world would never get to see how great comics are and I would never see the characters I grew up with done justice....if I went back and told that 18 year old what his eyes would behold on the marquee....he wouldn't believe it. Next time you feel like complaining about any comic movie...justified or not...just take a moment to think about how far we've come. PEACE ALL!
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1998 had a C-list Marvel character named Blade given the A-list treatment to make a good movie but it just wasn't the same...but starting with X-men in 2000 look at us! X-men United and X-men: The Last Stand, Spider-man 1,2 and 3, Blade 2 and 3, Daredevil and Elektra, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Hulk and Incredible Hulk, Fantastic Four and FF2 with Silver Surfer, Iron Man, Hellboy 1 and 2, V for Vendetta, Superman Returns, Batman Begins, the latest masterpiece that is The Dark Knight. I mean sure there are hits and misses in there but just look at that list!!! Incredible what we have been given in 8 years...and then Watchmen, Wolverine, Magneto, Thor, Iron Man 2, Captain America, The Man of Steel, The Avengers and much much more to come!!!! Gosh, I love being here to see all this!!!
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This teaser was beautiful, but it is just that. It does not need to explain anything, it only exists to serve the perpose of announcing its presence in the world. The way X-Men was marketed was mentioned earlier as a kind of blueprint for what the marketing should be. Keep in mind that we live in a different cinematic world now than we did at that time. They needed to explain everything in order to let people know that this was a movie about superheroes in a world that was just recovering from their last taste, which was Batman & Robin. (I do not really consider Blade to be a superhero movie) However, we now live at a place where the explaination is not needed.
Spymonkey, you seem to me to be a very intelligent person, but suffer from it as well. I do not agree with your thoughts on America being filled to the brim with the examples used to disprove the macho sperm theory. I beg to differ. True as it is that these people are out there and are in America, but they are not the majority. The man you made example of in the story of his non-inclination to see Narnia did not want to see it because it seemed like a not-so-mainstream kiddie movie. Narnia doesn't suffer from the stigma of it being cool to like Harry Potter just because he's a cultural icon, it has to endure through the talking animals and child actors. This is the kind of world in which children run around in Rolling Stones t-shirts without the slightest clues as to who they are. It is not stupidity, it is ignorance. We have the intelligence, but we lack the drive to use it. -
I also disagree with your persistence that all of the characters are terrible people and that the story is about the horrible things that we do to better suit ourselves. Every character in the story has a redeamable quality to them no matter how small to which I shall explain later. I believe that Alan Moore actually feels affection for his characters and that they are the only things for which he truly cares for. Each character to him is like a good friend you have that also has a kind of quirk about them that you really can't stand, like disrespect for women or racism.
As for the redeamable qualities for each character, they are as follows: Dan knows he is largely a failure and is insignificant. And yet he still cared enough to keep all of his gadgets and such in pristine condition on the slim chance that he might be needed. Silk Spectre really deep down wants to be normal and to be seen as something other than her mother's replacement but eventually kind off understands the sacrefices made for the greater good. Rorschach has a moment when he realizes that he actually needs others and realizes that he has people in his life that care about him, which he never had before in his life. The Comedian even has a moment where his kind of realizes that he screwed up when he watches his illigitamate daughter that can never be his ride away with the woman he never took into account with his own doings. It's only one panel, but his expression speaks volumes through Gibbons' brilliant artwork. Adrian does what he only saw as the best way to save humanity from itself through whatever means possible. In the grand scheme of things, his plan actually makes sense. Manhattan has moments of humanity like how he felt remorse from the possibility of his involvement with others causing cancer among other damages. I believe that the story show that humanity inheritly has good in it that every once in a while rears it's head from the muck and hell of the world. -
The absolutely must keep the squid. The entire point of staging the attack was to focus the world's tension on something other than each other. It makes perfect sense to stage something so completely out there and so impossible to happen that it world completely takes the world's hands off of each others' throught long enoguh to realize that there are more important things than nuking each other first. Using Manhattan in it's place (as suggested earlier) would only hasten the doomsday clock. It is possible that Adrian could have thought of it before using the squid, but came across the problem of (as stated earlier) the rest of the world seeing this as America's doing. Up until this point, the only thing stopping WW3 was America's threat of using Manhattan against everyone else, so staging him going rogue would only make it worse. Therefor, I look forward to seeing the squid realized in the most crazy CGI I have ever witnessed.
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“I was not disappointed by the movie version of 'V' ...”
Well if you were a Warrior reader you should have been, shame on you – Judging and enjoying it as a movie in it’s own right is one thing, but as an adaptation of the novel V for Vendetta failed utterly.
It removed the culpability of the general populace and made “the system” or government at fault – so we the viewer were able to easily cheer for V. Thats not a subtle nuance, that’s gutting the MEAT of the peice.
It made the shadow gallery a place Evey wanted to escape from rather than hide in, changing everything about her character and her subsequent kidnap and torture by V.
As to V becoming the phantom of the opera, declaring his love for Evey and wearing the mask because he is SCARRED rather than the vastly more complex reason: THE REAL REASON - If you don’t get that – how fundamentally crucial that is to the entire story...
I imagine in a years time that level of abuse meted out to Watchmen - and people praising it the way they have already praised the trailer because it is “faithful” to the look of the book – when it is nothing of the kind:
We open up and swallow product these days – with little or no critical faculty – as long as it seems cool or makes us feel smart we don’t look too deeply. This talkback - case in point. I hope I’m wrong about Watchmen, I hope it’s flawless – but I expect a fucking car-crash that bears a superficial resemblance to the work and has none of what makes it unique left intact.
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Jul 21, 2008 10:06:35 AM CDT
re: Looks about as bad as a "Zach Snyder Watchmen" movie can loo
by mrgreenstache
Well, this is the one I want, despite what I should. I guess I am not anyone.
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Well stated, Jeremiah. Moore's original ending MUST be implemented. Changing it could absolutely mar the movie, however good it is up to that point. Hey, I'm no purist. I know changes must be made throughout--but don't fuck with a perfect ending, guys. There is no logical reason not to use Moore's conclusion except for squeamishness. The fact that the NYC "attack" is apparently COMPLETELY alien (in a Lovecraftian sense) is the only way to sufficiently terrify the world into setting aside their differences and coming together. Every other proposed alteration I've read about (be it giant magnifying glass burning away parts of NYC or fake Jon attacking foreign countries) have been simply terrible ideas. And they all miss the point. The "attack" is meaningless if it's not an utterly ALIEN attack by an unknown and horrifyingly UN-ANTHROPOMORPHIC enemy. The alien must be seen and psychically felt. 9/11 allusions fall utterly short of the sheer horror of this attack. It can't be a human threat--even Doc M human. And a cheesy UFO attack (death rays, etc.) would be incredibly cliché and simply unrealistic (and would generate instant skepticism throughout the population). I challenge anyone to come up with a better ending than Moore's. And FireDragon: if you read a script draft from January 2007 and Snyder said in a November 2007 interview that Moore's original ending was in, I'd take Snyder at his word. Scripts can change over the course of a production. Also, do you care to specifically share the ending to the script draft you read? Please share.
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The squid is also crucial to Ozy's motivation. Remember, Ozy isn't just trying to save the world from itself from nuclear war, that's only step one of his plan; He's realizing the grand dream of Alexander The Great. Lasers from the sky? Ok, well who owns satellites with that technology? Mystery solved, nothing changes. Doc goes rogue? The war may be prevented temporarily, but would fear of a known figure really be a catalyst for global self-reflection?
Let's get one thing clear about the Squid argument: this isn't about being a fickle twat who complains about Nolan's Batman not having a yellow insignia; it's about the simple acknowledgement that an attack by a never before seen alien is the ONLY story device that will perfectly catalyse EVERYTHING that came before it. -
Ozy's ultimate goal isn't to stop the war, but to usher in a new age of global self-awareness & enlightenment. That isn't something that will come from a vocalized threat from a famous figure like Doc. The threat has to be bigger than Doc. Oh, and Adrian is NOT the villain. The realization that Veidt may have just ushered in a new renaissance is why our heroes decide to keep it a secret. This is why Rorschach HAD to die. And we, as readers, are challenged because we must also, in a way, forgive Veidt's horrific actions. If Doc is framed, you remove the grand MYSTERY of the universe & humanity will spend the next 2,000+ years nervously staring up at Mars waiting for Doc's return. Veidt wouldn't want that & there's nothing heroic in that result.
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Moore and the rest of us most likely couldn't have foreseen the Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami of 2004, but that's exactly what the squid had to appear to be - faceless, completely unpredictable, without motive of any kind. Anything that could be tied in the loosest way to a nation or person would have been suspect. The squid was such a complete jolt - both because of its apparent origins and because of the massive carnage it caused - that it was able to shake all major nations from their complacent march to destruction. If the squid isn't in, the replacement *must* be a "natural disaster" of some sort. Otherwise the plan breaks down and Veidt's years of preparation are for naught.
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Eh, Zack Snyder sure do love the slow mo.
Joe Schmo on The Watchmen here.
That trailer is definitely for you geeked fans, not me. This and "The Spirit" mean about the same to me, nothing; and the trailers aren't doing a thing to change that. -
DennisMM has the right mindset, but I'm not sure if even the mainstream audience would accept Adrian's ability to create a natural disaster, having no proir knowledge of the comic. Reading this talkback kind of gives you a little insight into what Zack is facing in trying to keep the original ending intact. Yes, there are other ideas as to how the disaster could be created, but at this point we've seen the "create a disaster to unite the world" realized a few times already. The thing that keeps Watchmen apart from the rest of these instances is, was, and always will be the squid. It doesn't matter that Alan Moore came up with using that angle in comic book form first, most will not know this. What the audience wants is something different, something they haven't seen before. And the squid will give them the slap-to-the-face twilight zone kind of ending that will get people talking about it and intensify the buzz to keep a continuously growing box office. Or, it could go the way of Blade Runner and end up being unpopular at first but then grow to a cult-like status. Either way I promise you that my ticket is assured for it.
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Sorry if I was unclear. I was using "natural disaster" as a metaphor when I discussed the only reasonable options for a squid replacement. Whatever is used must, as I said, be thematically like squiddy - faceless (not known to humans), unpredictable and without motive. It can't be tied to a person, a nation or even to humanity. It must seem utterly random.
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The Squid = the Stargate sequence & Star-Child.
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Even though current times have been good to us in regard to comic translations, I fear the Watchman film will miss a few beats that made the graphic novel so interesting. There were a few key plot points omitted from 300's translation to the big screen, and in comparison to the watchmen Miller's 300 has far less material. I fear the core Watchmen experience is better suited for a graphic novel, and i don't have much faith in Snyder's ability as a filmmaker to properly convey such a deep and intricate story. That said, i think the trailer has some great looking visual interpretations of the characters. I loved seeing the scenes of Dr. Manhattan and the Comedian in Vietnam, Rorschach with the aerosol torch, and Blake getting thrown through the window. But the Watchmen is not really an action oriented story like 300 is, it has a lot of plot,and a lot of dialogue, and this might be a setup for an epic fail on really the cream of the crop of graphic storytelling. I hope it is not so.
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lol, yea i can already hear the voices of the intellectually challenged walking out of the theater and making their insipid, uninformed assessments of the squid. A younger cousin of mine recently had to watch 2001 in his little high school film class, and he told me how he joined the rest of his classmates in ridiculing it.
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And you don't give fucking notes to Stanley Kubrick.
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Damn, that's a shame. I first saw 2001 in 1994 at age 17 & it changed EVERYTHING.
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Jul 21, 2008 7:11:56 PM CDT
My young cousins comments on 2001 made me sick to my stomach
by sam_seed
...Because it was all controlling group think at work, the high school illusion.. real life illusion. 2001 is a work so great in its medium.. I tried to tell him about it, but communication isn't his strong point.
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How else can one explain the popularity of Emo?
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i don't think anything they can think up isn't already topped by the squids tele-port.. that whole finale is a great payoff. I did not care for the changes to the ending of V, the source ironically had more meaning packed into its climax without the need of a million mask march.
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You actually hit it right on the head but I misread it. Metalmickey, I agree on your Kubrick/Moore comparison; both are brilliant at what they do/did, but kind of struggle getting the respect they deserve nowadays besides the once-in-a-while internet image that alludes to them for comedic effect. And to that and I would like to announce that I love SomethingAwful.com
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You actually hit it right on the head but I misread it. Metalmickey, I agree on your Kubrick/Moore comparison; both are brilliant at what they do/did, but kind of struggle getting the respect they deserve nowadays besides the once-in-a-while internet image that alludes to them for comedic effect. And to that end I would like to announce that I love SomethingAwful.com
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From http://tinyurl.com/6ye3f3
...in a November 2007 Starlog Magazine interview, Zack Snyder uttered the now infamous quote, “I’m absolutely keeping the graphic novel’s ending.” Squid’s in, right? How could Zack be any clearer? Hold on.
Just a week later, on this site’s exclusive Zack Snyder fan Q&A, Snyder mentioned in one of his answers that in the film he would show that Dr. Manhattan was working on creating “world universal energy” technology. Something that was not in the original book, but in an early script draft where the squid was taken out and replaced with a completely different ending. So, squid’s out, right?
Well, hold onto your smiley badges. We got another piece of news that seemed to confirm our tentacled friend made the cut in February of 2008 when it was reported that Neville Page, the lead creature designer for the film Cloverfield, was hired to work on the Watchmen film. That's what this guy does — design big scary monsters for movies, just like our squid pal! Why sign him up if the squid wasn’t in? I mean, it’s the only creature in Watchmen!
Cross-eyed yet? No? Well, in the spring of 2008, two individuals who worked as extras on the film shared secondhand information, from individuals they said were reliable sources, that definitively confirmed to them that, “the squid is in.”
Then, just the other day in another Matthew Goode interview, the actor stated, “fans of the story will be very pleased with this adaptation.” Whoa. A far cry from the October 2007 interview where he more or less said, as the ending stood then, fans would not be happy at all.
So, you tell me? Will we see the ink-shooting leviathan on the big screen next March, or will we just get something close — like maybe an ill-tempered octopus? Who knows, maybe the ending will consist of Dr. Manhattan shooting blue sparks out of his ass while somewhere in Northampton a gray-bearded gentleman wearing too many rings exclaims, “what the fuck!”
What do I think? Well, I think Patrick Wilson put it best when he said:
"Ha! I have to say, if you know how much Zack believes in it, you wouldn’t believe he would go that far from the graphic novel. I don’t know how those rumors start, but that’d be a stretch!" -
to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"...Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare
Your headache, it's Squid inside you
Make a promise to the fans
Save the Squid, now is the time to
Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth
Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare
Lovecraftian Squid will pop in
NYC with psychic screams
Plant a horror for the future
For the death of millions will save everything
Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare -
What will they omit? I had better see the corpse boat and split-open dog's heads in ink blots.
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Now if he makes it in, how closely will they hew to the original on squiddy? One argument against El Sqid was that it was goofy. So if Snyder goes with the unexpected menace idea, will Moore and Gibbons's '60s design stay? Will squiddy have a giant eye-in-c*nt orifice?
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If they indeed hew to the original design, it could be absolutely the most epic, horrifying image of its type set to film. I've heard the "goofy" argument, but those who think the design is goofy are smoking crack. For my money, Moore and Gibbons created an absolute nightmare on paper... All that stated, I'll be happy if squiddy makes it to film in whatever form--as long as he's monstrous and Lovecraftian.
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to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"...
Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare
Your headache, it's Squid inside you
Make a promise to the fans
Save the Squid, now is the time to
Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth
Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare
Lovecraftian Squid will pop in
NYC with psychic screams
Plant a horror for the future
For the death of millions will save everything
Save the Squid for the Watchmen
Only Squid can clear the air
Save the Squid, Squid for America
Save the Squid, Snyder, for all the world to scare
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Zack Snyder has somehow managed to convince himself, as well as the movie-going public, that continually ramping the camera from fast to slow, fast to slow is a directorial style worthy of the label "visionary". I admired his "Dawn of the Dead" remake, and thought he showed promise as a genre directory, but if he doesn't get off of this kick he risks becoming the Wes Anderson of action movies, a director so enamored of his own stylistic tics that the movies themselves begin to suffer...
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Does NOTHING make you people happy? The book you love is being made into a multi-million dollar film by someone who obviously loves and respects the source material. Some of us are completely stoked, and I for one can't wait until next March. If you don't want to see Snyder's film, I promise I won't force you to go. In fact, if one of you nit-picking, self-styled-critic bastards ends up sitting next to me whining about changes from the novel, I'm gonna to go Rorscach on your ass. Hurm.
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it'd kind of help if you spelled Rorschach (even CLOSE to) correctly. "Rorscach"? LOL! Really--hurts your ethos, man...That stated, I'm actually pretty happy with Snyder. No Snyder hate coming from me. THAT stated (wait for it):SAVE THE SQUID!
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Watchmen the video game coming next year !!
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If you read the novel, you'd know that ALL of the costumes were supposed to be semi-rediculous on purpose... as they were a deconstruction/satire of the superhero genre in comics at the time. In the same way, the movie is a deconstruction of the superhero MOVIES of it's time, i.e. OUR time. So YES, Ozy has rubber nipples, the Owl looks like Batman but with a paunch, SS looks like she stepped out of the Incredibles, and I'll bet $100 that Rorschach will have lifts in his shoes just like in the novel. I swear, anyone who complains that the constumes look "gay" or "too funny" should be choked to death by Moore himself. The Doc Manhattan Dick jokes have got to be right around the corner. And keep it up with the "gay as Bryan Singer" comments... you already look like an idiot, so they can't hurt.
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We all know that excessive homophobia = closet case. And if you really want to stay in that closet, you might want to tone down the "gay" talk.
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http://tinyurl.com/5mh94h
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Sorry if my attempt at humor came across like a schoolyard bully. I'm definitely not a typist either, as anyone who reads my posts can tell. On the other hand, I am flabbergasted at some of the negative comments on here. Folks should not forget that Zack Snyder does not have complete control over the final product. It's apparent that he's is fighting the studios tooth and nail to keep the movie as faithful as possible. I just think we should give Snyder the benefit of the doubt that his version will be more faithful to the original storyline than any of the previous attempts at producing a Watchmen film.
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Bully? Not at all, my good man! Not at all! Just poking some fun. I do understand your point, and I am sure that we will see a product that, while not perfect, will--to some degree--knock our collective socks off. You know, it IS tempting to resurrect this TB, but I suspect a new WATCHMEN TB will appear apace.
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