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Massawyrm Says THE DARK KNIGHT Is The Greatest Batman Story Ever Told!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. Christopher Nolan, without a doubt, displays the biggest, hairiest, sweaty swinging pair of brass cojones of the summer with the sixth and final superhero movie of the season. And after a number of interesting entries, The Dark Knight doesn’t suffer from one ounce of superhero fatigue. In fact, it proves that Warners wisely chose to save the best for last. This is in a class by itself. I love The Incredible Hulk. I love the living shit out of Iron Man. And as you all know, Hellboy 2 made me squeal with childish glee. But this? This is the first Oscar quality superhero movie. This is the one we will look back upon 20 years from now and hold it to be superior to most everything that came after it. I want to say that this is like Wrath of Khan or Superman 2, but really this is better than that. This is The Empire Strikes Back of superhero films. Unrepentantly dark, unequivocally ruthless and utterly brilliant, The Dark Knight begins as you expect, but slowly, mercilessly, straps you to your chair and begins to put the screws to you. This film is just mean. It is a true, honest to God Joker story. Batman gets put through the wringer. And he’s not alone. Dragged along with him are Commissioner Gordon and Harvey Dent, both of whom get fully realized arcs – neither of which are any fun. Man oh man. This is NOT a summer film. The fact that the Brothers Warner decided to slate it as the very last of the big summer films was wise indeed. Just as we audiences are getting our fill of popcorn, here comes a serious, Oscar worthy genre picture that blows each and every other film that preceded out of the water. It’s like a fine aged wine after a steady diet of hamburgers and French fries. The Dark Knight is the perfect antithesis of Iron Man. For all its pathos, its dark angles and its deep character studies, Iron Man was an explosive series of action sequences and laughs that ramped you up and prepared you for a knock down drag out at the end. Tony Stark didn’t have to watch his friends and family tortured. James Rhodes never finds himself deconstructed and destroyed for the amusement of a madman. No. Iron Man was a perfect COMIC BOOK movie. This is a GRAPHIC NOVEL. The elegance of what Nolan does here is almost indefinable. He slowly and deliberately builds a singular story, one in which a deranged madman sets up and executes a plan so positively diabolical that you will not fully understand it until the credits roll. The stakes are high and the consequences dire. And while Nolan tells us what may be considered one of the greatest Joker stories ever told, he does exactly what we’ve been asking for and demanding for years. This is a detective story. It is not some series of supersuited clashes with snazzy getaways and escapes from deathtraps. It is Batman confronted by a foe so ingenious that it takes every ounce of his ability to face him. And even then he is outmatched. Batman has to shake people down, invent bizarre gadgets and expend his every available resource – including testing every friendship – to find this guy. Only to find that this is exactly what the Joker wanted to begin with. Everything you want from a Batman story is here. There are multiple interwoven villains. Rich development of some of the most noteworthy of Batman characters. Plenty of action and a gripping story that grabs you by the balls from the very beginning and refuses to let go until the final frames have played out. And it has some of the best performances of a number of actor’s careers. Look. Ledger’s Oscar is a lock. Once you see what he’s done - just how he not only crafted a character, but completely redefined it – you’ll understand. Forget Romero. Forget Nicholson. Forget Hamill. They were but custodians of the role that Ledger would ultimately own. I can’t ever look at The Joker the same way again. The cadence of his speech, the looks he gives people. The way he says “You wanna know how I got these scars” before he’s about to fuck somebody up but good. He’s a monster. He’s positively terrifying. He is everything we were always told The Joker was supposed to be but he never quite lived up to – a mystifying squall of hatred and chaos that could scare the living shit out of an entire city…without needing to resort to an unrealistic body count. And there is never a single moment on screen that you see Heath Ledger anywhere on it. He’s vanished, replaced entirely by this macabre lump of twisted flesh who walks and speaks like the kind of guy you would think was a world class dork if he weren’t so fucking dangerous. This role is the stuff of legends. And unless something very strange happens, this brilliant entry into his filmography coupled with the sentimentality for his entire body of work will earn him a posthumous award without fail. An award he no doubt would have earned even if he were still with us today. If there’s anything negative to say about Ledger’s performance it is that it completely overshadows the brilliant character work of Aaron Eckhart who gives a career redefining turn as Harvey Dent. The progression he makes, leading to the ultimate inevitable transformation is absolutely breathtaking. There is a whole section of the film that belongs entirely to him. And much like I am doing right now, most people will relegate the praise of him to an afterthought – an “Oh yeah, he was great too.” No. He is utterly fantastic. But when you’re standing immediately next to one of the greatest villainous portrayals in history, it is almost impossible not to get swallowed up by it. But I’ll say this – the guy has just earned himself a one-way ticket to the A-list. He is so fucking good in this that there is no way we won’t be seeing him in bigger, more prominent roles from here on out. His Harvey Dent, coupled with Ledger’s Joker is a tour de force of villainy unlike anything you’ve ever seen. It is at once both diabolical and heartbreaking. And it leads to acknowledging Nolan’s greatest asset in these films: his slavish obsession with making everything make sense. There is nothing in this film that is off. No character decision that seems the slightest bit forced or strange. No object that doesn’t have its place. Even the title, oh my god the title, becomes a powerfully profound part of the film once it finally makes its reveal at the very end of it. It’s not just a clever name, not just a snippet of fandom. It is an apt, deliberate description of what you have just watched that carries so much weight by the time you get around to processing it. This film is brilliant and has no equal in the realm of comic book movies. It is a film so good that I almost don’t want to see a third because I know there is almost no way it could live up to its predecessor. It will give children nightmares and redefine the way we look at The Joker, the Batman and comic book movies in general. This is the Godfather of superhero movies. The Empire Strikes Back. It is a film that may never find an equal, a film that will have you staring jaw agape with your hand planted in front of your face in disbelief at how far it is ready to go. It is what we always thought a Batman film could be, but never seemed to happen. Yes. It is the real deal. It is the greatest Batman story ever told. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • July 15, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    First for once?

    by strosmer

  • July 15, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Can't wait...

    by apolo_sputnik

    To see this film!

  • July 15, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 15, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Oh, gee, this is the greatest day of my life

    by strosmer

    I am finally a first poster. I can't believe it. I will take the rest of the day off in celebration. Anyway, didn't read the review, Massa, but I've no doubts that this will be the movie of the summer. In fact, I think it may be the only one that is actually any good.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by JBouganim1

    i would have been first but i just sat here with a big ass fuckin smile on my face because i cant wait to see this movie

  • July 15, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    yadda yadda yadda

    by Sailor Rip

  • July 15, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    The PowerPack movie will kick this films' ass

    by classyfredblassy

    If Jason Biggs gets the starring role and it is directed by the visionary Tim Story.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Nolan IS God...

    by Nolan Is God

    To say otherwise is blasphemy. BLASPHEMY!

  • July 15, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST


    by g-ride9000

    ohh sorry "spoiler"

  • July 15, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    ’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’what is this?

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST


    by MrDuke118

    Seriously I just need to see the fucking thing now. I have never looked forward to any film like this. And probably never will again

  • July 15, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    $200 million opening weekend?

    by strosmer

    Any takers? I think it's possible. And if it does do that, will it beat Titanic for all-time box office? I think this will draw multiple viewings from a broad range of moviegoers.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    one zillion opening weekend,

    by g-ride9000

    i'd bet my mother's first born on it!

  • July 15, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Bullshit aside...

    by Nolan Is God

    That was a great fucking review. I'm hoping against hope that this film lives up to the praise it's receiving. I'll know in 14 short hours.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by Geekhaterssuck

    The weekend can't get here fast enough. I am so freaking ready to see this. I liked The Incredible Hulk, loved Iron Man, but this, if the hype is true I will want to make sweet love to this film over and over and over again.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    This Movie Bave Me a Blowjob and a Million Dollars


    Then cut my lawn. Best movie ever!<br><br>Seriously, can't wait to see it. Not letting the hype over-hype me.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Forget George Romero?

    by GrandMuffTarkin


  • July 15, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Each ticket comes with a free bowl of soup!

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by Anti-fanboy

    I mean, ahem, sounds great. Yeah... ...teehee!

  • July 15, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I was looking forward to this anyway...........

    by ChiefRoberts

    but now I'm just dying for this to come out in the UK! You lucky Yanks getting this a week earlier than us, spare a thought for us limeys!

  • July 15, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Forget Nicholson?

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Sorry, but no matter how awesome Heath Ledger does, Jack Nicholson's performance will always be considered brilliant.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by eric haislar

    Wasn't he just playing himself? I'm not dissing you or trying to start a fight. Every time i see batman 89 i see jack not the joker. I don't understand why people think it was a good performance.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Boxoffice will be huge

    by eric haislar

    Spiderman 3 holds the record with $151,116,516. Thats a huge number if any movie can do it it's going to be this one. I will say $163,000 maybe a little more.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred think that Ceasar Romero

  • July 15, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    come on bros!

    by SpawnofAchilles

    Let's make this the highest grossing film of all time, fuck Titanic! It's man time!

  • July 15, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Damn it ...

    by GiveMeAnFinBreak

    I try not to let my expectations get too high when walking into a flick like this. These reviews aren't helping with that.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST


    by NiceGuyEddie19

    He's an intense person, but I don't think he's that intense. I'll admit it's a much, much bigger stretch for Ledger, who I had never viewed as intense per se, but talented all the same.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    I have this strange feeling Thrusday night will be the greatest

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    Aside from losing my virginity and finding $100 bucks, I must try as hard as I ever have to not die before then.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    When I see trailers in the theater

    by dr sauch

    I literally close my eyes, plug my ears, and sing to myself. I want to be so fucking fresh going into this. I'm gonna see it next wednesday at like 12:30 am, so that the theater will (hopefully) be devoid of 13 yr olds and parents with their 30 infant children.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    TDK will do your taxes

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I don't get

    by snowtires

    why people are all over Nicholson's nuts about his Joker in the first Tim Burton movie. It's just Jack playing Jack, like he does in 99% of every movie he's even been in, except maybe upping the campiness a little bit. Going back and looking at that movie, even compared to Batman Begins, the whole thing (Burton's Batman) seems like a huge joke, the movie doesn't even hold a candle to what Nolan has been able to do.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I think if this film is as good as it sounds, and by that..

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    ...I mean to be mentioned as Gofather-like, I think it will beat ROTK in international box office.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Dammit, meant Godfather

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Cunting Hell.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Going to break records...

    by WickedJester

    The amount of additional shows theaters are adding is a sign of the money this movie will bring in. It sounds like most of it may be made on repeat viewings, which is such a rarity these days.<br><br> It's been said a million times, but<br><br> 'And here we ... go.'

  • July 15, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Yes, but did you LIKE it?

    by henrydalton

  • July 15, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    free i hate jack nicolson pin with every TDK ticket

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I wish they'd be less profuse with the praise...

    by GaiustheBrave

    This has all the chances of kicking my ass midnight on Thursday, but I am afraid that we're being set up for disappointment with the all the Harry-isms. I don't remember ever going into a movie with such high expectations and coming out fully satisfied. I think Hellboy 2 wouldn't have been so painful to watch if I had gone in not expecting more. Instead, I got "Hellboy: Special Edition" by George Lucas. God save "The Hobbit"

  • July 15, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Nicholson's Joker...

    by WickedJester

    Is essentially a younger version of Costello from the Departed, watch them back to back ... you'll see.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    fanboys critical facilities put on hold...

    by bennie garcia

    just seen this film, and while it maybe the greatest batman story ever told that doesn't hid the fact that this movie takes some serious mis-steps...anybody expecting a masterpiece will be disappointed...lower your expectations people...

  • July 15, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by Geekhaterssuck

    Got to agree with you 100%. I remember being 13 and loving Burton's Batman but seeing it after Batman Begins I'm just like "eh." It's Jack playing himself with makeup on and I just don't see Batman when I look at Michael Keaton. It was the weakest part of the movie for me when I saw it the first time and it still is. I don't hate it, it's just weak compared to BB. None of the previous films have aged well at all.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    "Iron Man was an explosive series of action sequences"

    by Mr. Profit

    I liked this review a lot. But the main thing that stuck out wasn't even a thing about "The Dark Knight". It was about the above comment. What explosive series of action sequences? Because I only saw a few. And they didn't take my breath away. They were just typical action movie stuff. <p>I can't wait to see this though. I ordered my IMAX tickets 3 weeks ago. And I bypassed Manhattan. Because I know NYC is going to be crazy. I'm checking it in Westchester County.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    bennie garcia

    by WickedJester

    Debbie Downer, party of one, you're table is ready.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    you're = your. damnit!

    by WickedJester

  • July 15, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    So Massawyrm, did you like it?

    by ZoeFan

    When films get praise like this film is getting, it scares me. The only complaints I've read on the net so far is complete pompous shit.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    TDK will reinvent the industry...twice

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by WickedJester

    I'm heading to the Cradle of Aviation in Garden City, heard it's a great facility...

  • July 15, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    This movie...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Has a hell of a lot of hype to live up to from AICN alone. It's this sort of gushing that sets people up for some degree of disappointment.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    it’s Massawyrm’s choice of font.

    by ArcadianDS

    way to draft your review in a font that isn't a global standard.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    The Joker ...

    by Animation

    ... should be equal parts hilarious and scary. Was he funny in this? If not, then its just another dark take on the Joker, of which there have been too many recently. I dont really want the Joker to be a brilliant nutjob killer in clown make-up. He has to also be funny. Unlike what others have said, the victim SHOULD get the joke, and if you think you aren't safe, some guilty part of you should want to laugh along. I'm hoping he wont just be a hard-a$$ nut with paint on his face. We'll see. I'm sure the movie will be brilliant either way tho, im just picky about the Joker.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Kent Brockman on Hyperbole

    by Geekgasm

    "Ladies and gentlemen, I've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, and I can say without hyperbole that this is a million times worse than all of them put together."

  • July 15, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ..........

    by Jabber_Jaw

    The reviews for this movie are insane!! Godfather II and Empire Strikes Back comparisons! Way to completely pump up my expectations...

  • July 15, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    i'm filled with a strange dread too...

    by smudgewhat

    i think this movie is going to psychologically frightening much in the way of Clockwork Orange or a david lynch thriller. i expect it to stay with me. but i can't wait to see it! into the MAW

  • July 15, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    What I really need is a Vern review.

    by greenstyle92

    He's about the straightest shooter on this site regarding geek movies. And while I'm sure he'll eventually review it, it'll probably be only on his website, not AICN.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by ZoeFan

    Since the TV series in the 60s, when has the Joker been silly to anybody but himself?

  • July 15, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    But if you really need some room to air doubts...

    by greenstyle92

    Check out Rotten tomatoes. 3 negative reviews are taking the piss out of it's score. It stands at 88%. Which is not at all bad. But still.<br> <br> It remains to be seen if this is an actual great movie or if fanboys flush from excitement just think it is. At the beginning of summer, everybody was creaming over Iron Man and Incredible Hulk. Now, not so much, particularly with Hulk.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    As a long time Joker fan, I've always found that the only person who finds his jokes funny are, well, himself. (I know that's been said a ton on this site too) <br><br> He's a lot like Dane Cook in that aspect, except he doesn't YELL ALL HIS LINES.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by Animation

    I havent really seen the 60s series. I'm basing this off simply reading the comics (mostly from the 80s onward) as well as the DCAU (tho they usually kept the body count down in the DCAU with the exception of the uncut Batman Beyond Joker movie). I have read exchanges in the comics between the Joker and other characters that had me in stitches and wanting to laugh at what he did next, even though he was killing people and screwing up people's whole lives and it was horrific. So, he has to be hilarious (not silly). Thats just my opinion. Otherwise he is just a crossdressing, or um clowndressing, serial killer. Nothing special there.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Too much hype makes me suspicious...

    by Hooded Justice

    There's NO WAY the movie can live up to this amount of hype. Massawyrm or Moriarty or whoever's seen the movie, can you answer these questions:<P> 1. Gotham City. In Batman Begins it was very bland and boring - clearly a real, modern city, rather than the macabre, open air lunatic asylum of the Batman mythology. Nolan' Gotham could just as well have been the setting for a Jason Bourne movie, or a Mission Impossible movie, or a Muppets in Manhattan movie. Has Nolan solved this problem?<p>2. Car chases. These have been incredibly tedious in every movie since The French Connection cornered that particular cliché. The car chase in Batman Begins was boring in the extreme and I switched off for it. Please tell me there are no car chases in The Dark Knight.<p>3. Batman's costume. It's stupid. All that armour plating? How can he possibly move? He looks like a robot - worse than the nipple costume in Batman And Robin. This isn't a question - I see from the poster they haven't solved this one.<p>4. Action scenes. Are there any this time round? There were none in Batman Begins. Oh yes, there were a few blurry, shakey bits with choppy editing, but I switched off for those, as I'm sure most people did. Are there any proper action scenes this time?<p> The characters: In Batman Begins, they were extremely tedious. Has Nolan managed to inject any personality into the characters this time around?<p>The plot: Batman Begins had a rambling, boring plot with no sense of tension or high stakes. I found myself switching off for the dull exposition. Is the plot better this time around? If so, how?

  • July 15, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    It boggles the mind how people who reside in NYC only think about Lincoln Center's IMAX. Like it's the only one around. I go to the City Center Cinema De Lux in White Plains. It's a nice facility, free of the crazy idiots. And they also have many screens that show "Director's Hall" screening where you choose your seats. When I saw Indy 4, I saw it on Digital Projection in Director's Hall and the ushers waited by the door and escorted you to your seat. Good shit for the same price. They do the same for IMAX too. <p>I have heard from my Long Island buds that Cradle of Aviation was a nice place (outside of IMAX). I got to check it one day.</P>

  • July 15, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by ZoeFan

    No one else was laughing. So you and the Joker have something special.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    3 Negative RT Scores

    by Mr. Profit

    1 is from Star Magazine so that already takes from it's credibility because they are probably Heath Ledger STANS who are still pissed that they don't have him around to stalk. The other 2 made no sense. One said the movie was too dark. Which is dumb since the film is called "The Dark Knight". I'm sure if it's better than Begins, I'll like it. Because I enjoyed that film very much.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST


    by bennie garcia

    dude i don't take any pleasure from this, i'm just saying i had a nagging feeling of disappointment coming away from the flick...i think because they came so close to getting the classic status that massawyrm claims it has, but at times it just becomes damn convoluted...i bought into this kind of unreserved hype and it ended up lowering the experience for me...i mean its still a really good flick dont get me wrong, but i'd just say dont expect a flawless movie...

  • July 15, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    the first Oscar quality superhero movie was Ang Lee's Hulk

    by DarthBakpao

  • July 15, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Godfather, Empire Strikes Back quality?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    OK, this film must be amazing then. Trying not to get my hopes up too high though...

  • July 15, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by m_reporter

    And I thought Quint creamed TDK up in all possible superlatives. But no, superlatives galore is an understatement for this review.<p> Now I want to see it even more than before... never thought it would be possible.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    what about the SHAKYCAM!?!?!?!?

    by halibut

    the first movie was one of the best stories but was RUINED every time there was a fight because of the damn shakycam. does this movie have the same lame shakycam fight scenes?!?!?!?

  • July 15, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    Just busting balls, I don't expect perfection, I just expect to have a 'smile put on that face.'

  • July 15, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Couldn't agree with Massa more.

    by trojanwilliams

    The film is absolutely brilliant and the further I get away from having seen it the more powerful and resonant it gets. It's an absolute powerhouse. <br><br> I particularly agree with Massa on two things in particular: <br><br> 1. My main concern after having left the film was in regards to the possibilities for a third film. There is absolutely NO way Nolan can do better work than he did here. It's not possible. This was the perfect storm of acting, direction and spectacle. There is no villain in the third film, no master stroke of casting that can match Ledger's performance here. There will be a drop off to film 3 - it's unavoidable. <br><br> 2. I agree with Massa on Ledger's Oscar shot as well. It's his to lose. I can't believe there will be a better performance this year from anyone. I went into the film fully expecting to see a performance that was overhyped solely because of the genre it was in and the subsequent actor's demise - and I was blown away by a performance that is as good as anything I've seen in the last 10 years in any genre. Ledger's Joker will join Johnny Depp's Jack Sparrow (1st Pirates film) and Daniel Day Lewis' Daniel Plainview as one of the iconic performances of the last 10 years. Ledger's Joker in TDK is one of the top 5 villains in the modern era of film. <br><br> I know to most fans it seems like this film is being's not. Yes there will be those who think a comic book film should always be light and funny and campy to be effective and to them this film will be a dark twisted disaster. But this is a Batman film - and he is nothing if not sunny. Nolan gets it and nails it. Batman is the darkest of the comic creations and now he's also in the best of the comic book films.

  • July 15, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Mr Profit

    by WickedJester

    Hmm Director's Hall.. I wont get that, but atleast I'll get to see it in it's IMAX glory opening night. Most of the shows are sold-out for the first few days... wonder how many they hold...

  • July 15, 2008, 10 a.m. CST


    by Animation

    Heh. Hrm. Haha! HA HA HA HA! And stuff. :) Anyway, I am looking forward to the movie, no doubt. Also, I guess I've grown to accept that film universe versions of characters dont have to match the comic book ones, so I'm sure I'll like this Joker just fine. It has to be better than Nicholson. :)

  • July 15, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Free steadycam lessons with every TDK ticket

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    I know that in Manhattan even the added 6AM showing are done. This movie is an event I haven't seen in a very long time. I knew it would do well. But I never imagined that the anticipation for it would be so widespread. My friend is trying to score tickets but Lincoln Center is sold out until next week. Crazy.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by WickedJester

    If you watch the trailers or even as far as the first 6 minutes, you'll see Nolans Gotham could very well be a city you'd drive through. Whether or not that's how you want it, is up to you. <br><br> I don't see you enjoying this movie because you seem to not enjoy anything about Begins or what Nolan was/is trying to accomplish by placing Batman in a 'real universe.' <br><br>Let's face it, if he was wearing grey spandex and a mask with eyebrows drawn on them, people would have a problem with that as well.<br><br> I can understand the cinematography complaints about the fight scenes, but you really didn't like the rumbler chase?

  • July 15, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Please don't make a third...

    by DoctorWho?

    I haven't seen this yet but I don't want a trilogy. It almost always gets fucked up. Heath's gone and I can't imagine lightning striking twice. I hope I'm wrong. I haven't been this stoked for a movie since FOTR. I'm making my wife crazy!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by WickedJester

    It's amazing. The Cradle of Aviation usually closes at 10:30 (I think) and is has showings as late as 1:15AM every night through Sunday. 11PM showings thereafter. <br><Br>I'm not sure the body of Christ would have as many viewings :-P

  • July 15, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST


    by bennie garcia

    don't worry, it certainly will do that...i'll see it again and enjoy it more second time round as i now know what to expect...

  • July 15, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The third film...

    by WickedJester

    If Nolan doesn't come back, and they use Riddler -- you need someone that can make a good mystery. David Lynch? Imagine Se7en, but with Batman and the Riddler instead of 'John Doe'... <br><br>Just not sure who's head would be in the box....

  • July 15, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    This film will feed your pets when you go away for the weekend

    by Falling_Gruber

  • July 15, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    And I meant Fincher, not sure why I put Lynch ..

    by WickedJester

    Guess I shouldn't be doing client's paperwork while on a TB.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Great, now every superhero movie will be dark and "real"...

    by SpyGuy

    Moon Knight, your time has come!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Nolan.......Would He? Could He?

    by Da B-Meister

    If Nolan continues after TDK with yet a third Batman flick......would he go ahead and give us another Batman vs Riddler & Two-Face flick, to give the final kick in the face, car-battery to the nutsack of the trashy likes of "Batman Forever"?

  • July 15, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Am I a bad person

    by Charlie Murphy

    if i jerked off to this review?

  • July 15, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    TDK will brush your teeth for you

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Da B-Meister...

    by greenstyle92

    All reports indicate Two Face unambiguously dies at the end of TDK, meaning a Two-Face and Riddler reteam is not in the cards.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Thanks for your answer, Wickedjester...

    by Hooded Justice

    And to answer your question: no, I hated that car chase. But car chases are such a cliché of TV and cinema that the last time I found a car chase interesting was when I was about seven years old. After that they just became boring. And since the invention of the car chase, there have been SO MANY car chases - hundreds of thousands - that I honestly don't see how it's possible to make any car chase entertaining anymore. Better to leave them out altogether and try to come up with some other kind of action scenes.<p>Well, the whole idea of a caped superhero is so outlandish in the first place, that trying to stick him in a real modern city, with glass skyscrapers etc, just doesn't work at all. And it doesn't matter that they try to make his costume 'realistic' by adding all these modern materials to it - all they're doing is drawing attention to the problem. No, the best way is to make the city itself a surreal backdrop - as it is in the comic books - and then these costumed characters fit right in. I like the look of the costume (and lighting) in that fan film 'Dead End'. The film itself is utter garbage - but the look of the costume is the best I've seen on film.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    TDK will decorate your spare room

    by Falling_Gruber

  • July 15, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    No, Charlie Murphy

    by greenstyle92

    I actually Jerk off to the talk backs. I've got a Nintendo Wii, which makes one handed web surfing real easy. <br> <br> The real question is... can you jerk off at the theater while watching the film? Normally I'd say, "No, that's what DVD is for." but considering the midnight shows are going to be exclusively hardcore Batman fans, I think they'd understand. They may even join in. Just make sure you give a heads up when you're about to fire off. I usually get at least a few seconds warning myself...

  • July 15, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    How G-ride jerks off in a theater=

    by g-ride9000


  • July 15, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice...

    by ZoeFan

    I know I'm just setting myself up to be ridiculed, but the car chase on the bridge in Bad Boys 2 was refreshing.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    TDK will finish your calculus homework for you

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by ZoeFan

    Or bring your girlfriend and you can give her the buttery bird.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    If you're talking car chases.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by daroru

    Mother. Fuck.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Scarbro

    The more I see of Heath the more chills I get. I can't wait to see this!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Blues Brothers = great car chase

    by irrelevntelefant

    who hasn't wanted to just drive through a mall, really?

  • July 15, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    I wouldn't ridicule you, Zoefan. If you get a kick out of car chases, then more power to you. I think that I was born without the 'car chase gene'. I don't understand why they are in every action movie. I don't understand why they are entertaining. I don't even find cars interesting. It's like I'm car-blind, the way some people are colour-blind.<p>I also find the vehicle that Batman uses in Batman Begins to be completely ridiculous. I find it looks a lot sillier than the Batmobile in the sixties' TV series.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    Isn't Wanted a comic book? (though from all the reviews, I guess it's easy to forget)

  • July 15, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    So, this is like TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION?!?

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • July 15, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    A movie that will skull fuck all others

    by dirtsandwich

    "Hold on to your butts!" Come Thursday night, everyone is going to have Nolan's cinematic cock, his movie meat, deeply in all our asses.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Joel Schumacher should be thanked....

    by Tacom

    for fucking up the Bat-franchise with his gay-ass movies so WB were forced to start over again!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Thank you greenstyle92

    by Mr. Profit

    For the Two Face heads up. The review was pretty spoiler free from significant plot points and then you go and say something that happens in the film that I hadn't heard about so far.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    TDK will give your wife a foot massage

    by g-ride9000

    and you'll be thankful!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    Your comment makes no sense to me. Getting butt raped doesn't seem like an enjoyable experience in my book. So why would Nolan do that to us if his film owns and kicks our asses on Thursday? If we all love the film, wouldn't the analogy really be something that provides ultimate pleasure? Like waking up to a naked Kim Kardashian every morning?

  • July 15, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    TDK will still respect you in the morning

    by Falling_Gruber

  • July 15, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    hooded justice

    by Mr Gorilla

    is right about the whole action sequence thing. Remember that first T-Rex attack in Jurassic Park? Or Tom Cruise breaking into Langley in the first Mission: Impossible? Gripping action set pieces that nailed your balls to the cinema seats for a good ten minutes or so. How come we don't get sequences like those any more?

  • July 15, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    It's no Comet Man.

    by rev_skarekroe

    YOU know what I mean.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by Mr_X

    ang lees hulk was a pile of shite

  • July 15, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    im concerned.

    by Mr_X

    everyone who has reviewed this movie like its the second coming. just in case i miss this, ive booked my imax tickets

  • July 15, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Certainly a lot of gushing from AICN reviewers

    by strosmer

    which is nearly always the case, or at least has been for every summer movie this year thus far. When I take a step back, none of the movies have hit it out of the ball park for me, not even Iron Man as enjoyable as it was. TDK promises to deliver. I won't get myself so up as to think it'll be ESB quality, but I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised if it is. I think it'll be bigger and badder than BB, and that's just fine by me.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    More money that Titanic? For real?

    by hank henshaw

    That's hilarious. TDK is not family friendly. Sure it will make lots of money, and according to websites like this it is the Second Coming, but unless fanboys do what some girls did with Titanic, and pay 10+ times to see it, there is no way it will come even close to Titanic numbers. It might be the highest grossing movie of the year, but that's it. Batman Begins made "only" 205 MM. This movie is hyped way out of proportion, I can only compare it to The Phantom Menace's hype. I plan to do with TDK, what I did with BB (and I certainly don't regret), wait for rental.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    The Empire Strikes Back ... ???

    by screamster101

    Wow... That is a bold statement to make.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Hank Henshaw

    by still_RuSTeD

    Nolan went through the troubles of digitally recording the movie in IMAX format, that lets you record only 3 seconds for every take, just so your fat lazy ass can enjoy it. You're a turdburglar of the highest order.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    TDK will talk to your mom on the phone for you

    by g-ride9000

    for 2 hours

  • July 15, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    It's Superman 2????

    by RobotDevil007

    What, does Batman hit the Joker with a giant cellophane Bat? Superman 2 was hacked up crud... very strange to see it you use it that context.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    TDK will do your laundry

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Fucking Hell

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    I need to see this fucking film i cant wait any fucking longer. Fuck it

  • July 15, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Sorry Mr. Profit, but this IS talk back.

    by greenstyle92

    And where did I stumble across this little spoiler? why, a Dark Knight Talk back it seems! I'll be more careful, but going to the talk backs before seeing the movie is the very definition of "asking for it."

  • July 15, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    The thing about the second coming...

    by greenstyle92

    Is we keep waiting for it and waiting for it but it never quite gets here. And if/when it does, well, you don't get to talk back about it.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I may be indecent Massawyrm but...

    by KnarftheIndecent

    That was the best review I have ever read you do.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Now if you combined Superman 1 & 2...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    You might have a pretty decent movie. The first movie was epic (even if it lagged at times). The second was, um, silly and low budget? If they would have spent a good amount of money, the film would have been epic. But with studio execs that hated (and fired) Richard just couldn't escape a low budget and unnecessary comic relief.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Dammit, I want to jump forward in time...

    by The Dum Guy

    I want to watch this movie.

  • July 15, 2008, noon CST

    No mention of Bale because...

    by greenstyle92

    If you read between the lines of the positive reviews, (and read the normal lines of the negative ones,) Bale as Bruce/Batman is one the film's lesser elements. It sounds he just completely continues his performance from the last one, which next to Ledger and Eckhart, suddenly makes him look kind of bland. In the positive reviews you see them say how this is "Ledger's Movie" or "Eckhart's Movie" or "It's more about Batman as a symbol." I didn't understand the translation of all that until I read the New Yorker's review.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    That would suck. I think Obama is a dick.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for this movie!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    This is the one film (other than Indy 4) that I have waited for. <p>Indy 4 was good (but not great). I don't know if this one (The Dark Knight) can live up to my expectations! My expectations are pretty high right now! </p> BTW, I can't wait for G.I.JOHN McCain, er, G.I. JOE too! There is something about heroes that I find fascinating! They are so much better than rhetorical fluff with little substance!

  • July 15, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Christ, lets not drag politics into this one.

    by greenstyle92

    But between the two candidates, I'm fairly ambivalent. Very much considering not voting this time.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Hank Henshaw

    by WickedJester

    Titanic isn't exactly 'family friendly' either. Unless you like showing your little ones some t & a (not that there's anything wrong with that, I wish I had parents like you.) <br><br>Regarding the multiple viewings remark, if reviewers are lining back up to see it, why wouldn't Fanboy X? You aren't implying teenage girls are more obsessive than Fanboys are you? <br><br>Why people like you even come to a site like this is beyond me (afterall this is essentially one big comic book store put online), let alone feel the need to be the Negative Nancy of the talkback. <br><br>I'm not sure what's worse, glass-is-half-empty posters like yourself or g-rides incessant TDK will do this (insert stupid joke)posts..

  • July 15, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST


    by halibut

    All I care about, are the fights done with Shaky cam?

  • July 15, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    i want to really see some scathing reviews for this

    by blindambition238

    cause as it is, I am already frothing at the mouth for this movie (have been since Begins), but its getting to the point where if this isnt the greatest movie of all time, I'm going to walk out "meh", and not able to enjoy anything else for the rest of my life.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Coughlins law: High stakes?

    by Hooded Justice

    No, there were no high stakes in Batman Begins. So they're going to take over the city? Kill the population? Take over the world?<p> Yawn. Go ahead, who cares.<p>You know who else threatens to take over/ kill/ enslave / poison a whole population?<p>Dr Evil. And Dr No. And Lex Luthor. And General Zod. And Goldfinger. And Syndrome. And EVERY single supervillain, superterrorist and superalien from the dawn of time. Which is why it's now used as a JOKE in spoof movies, like Austin Powers, Superhero Movie, Hot Shots part Deux, Naked Gun etc etc etc etc. Because:<p>Rule number 1 of serious action movies: NEVER try to make the audience feel empathy for some fictional anonymous population. Because we the audience won't give a shit. We don't know them. They're not real anyway. So go ahead and blow them away.<p>But get us to empathise with one or two INTERESTING, well-written, well-acted characters who face challenging personal dilemmas. THEN we'll care. THEN we'll understand the stakes.<p>Which is why movies like Aliens and Mission Impossible 3 work so well: I don't like Tom Cruise at all - but the stakes he's facing will potentially fuck him up personally. As for Sigourney Weaver, she's not saving the earth, she's saving a single little girl - and we see every goddamn emotion on her face as she plucks up the balls to face the monsters. Now THAT'S an action movie. So you can keep your 'Oh no! A bunch of bored extras are going to pretend to die!' plot, thank you very much. Put it in the same place as cars smashing into each other and flying through the air. Yawn

  • July 15, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    blind ambition, just check out "Rotten Tomatoes"

    by greenstyle92

    I'd recommend the New Yorker's review for a different take that might check some expectations, (He's still very favorable to Ledger, though.)

  • July 15, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Nobody has mentioned HEAT?

    by Gilkuliehe

    I'm amazed. In the IMDB trivia section is stated Nolan was inspired by HEAT, and I must say I thought the exact same thing leaving the theater. There's a lot of Mann's tone in it, that soft blue quietness right in the middle of chaos. That shot of the Joker with his head outside the car (it's on the treilers) and the music, man what a fucking beautiful movie this is. <p> Wanna hear something fucked up? Last night I had awful fucking nightmares, and yes, I blame THE DARK KNIGHT. Amazing film. Truly amazing.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    TDK will find your G-spot

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Yay, there are finally negative reviews for this...

    by The Dum Guy

    <br>I prefer to read negative reviews, since they can temper off my expectations. Although sometimes it kinda backfires, like watching Wanted or Hancock, not horrible but forgetable.<br>

  • July 15, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by Leto III

    Massawyrm, love ya, man, I always read your reviews the second they go up....but ya gotta start using the almighty apostrophe.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    I really hate it when...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...a film is reviewed as "the second coming" and then turns out to be b-o-r-i-n-g as a trip to a box company.<p>There have been far too many "good" reviews in the last two years that made me feel violated when I watched the film for myself.</p> That being said, IRON MAN was pretty good. I have very high hopes for THE DARK KNIGHT! With so many positive reviews, I am hoping for the best!

  • July 15, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Massa, puh-leaze.

    by Jaws Wayne

    Looking forward to this film as much as the next bloke who posts here and do expect this movie to be worth checking out but comparing ANY movies to Star Wars V or the Godfather ones..., why would you compare these movies to this one, just say it's a motherfucker of a film we should all check out and we would get it. Great to read this is more than you could have hoped for, but I bet Empire and GF are very different beast compared to this Batman film. (Not that "Empire" and Godfather have anything in common by the way except that they're both very cool movies).

  • July 15, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I think you pretty much summed up...

    by Second Try

    ...why I was desliking the feel of the movie and didn't know the reason. I get it now. This is not a COMIC BOOK. This is a GRAPHIC NOVEL. I don't like GRAPHIC NOVELs... Too serious, too dark, too 90s... Bring me Cesar Romero, I want a funny Joker!

  • July 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I may already hate this movie.

    by Chewtoy

    We'll see. I'll get around to seeing it next week, as I've got plans for this weekend. But seriously, the hyperbole rising off this thing is toxic. I have to keep reminding myself it's in the nature of early reviews to be crazy-over-the-top, as all anticipated movies reviewed that way seem to come back as either the greatest thing ever, or the most disrespectful, insulting piece of trash ever made. Either way, it has to be something that makes the writer that much more special for having experienced this life-changing event before the rest of us. I would say the odds of this movie not being massively over-rated as pretty slim right now.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Second Try

  • July 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    TDK will be there on the hard days

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST


    by Second Try

    I think I may be getting there...

  • July 15, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    "HEAT was awful."

    by I am the Terminator

    Is your brain broken?

  • July 15, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Let's put a smile on that face-Ah

    by Second Try

  • July 15, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST


    by Second Try

    I think he got felt so bad with that depressing character and the other bad stuff in his life that he offed himself in an "accidental" overdose. How can I be afraid from an actor I pitty so much.

  • July 15, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    greenstyle92, Peter Travers mentioned Bale

    by strosmer

    in his review, saying, "Bale is electrifying as a fallibly human crusader at war with his own conscience." So there are some props for Bale out there, and I do look forward to seeing what more he brings to the role. Ledger is obviously going to get more attention in the early reviews. When it comes to The New Yorker, you can hardly expect a positive review of any summer blockbuster to appear in that snobby NY lib rag.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by strosmer

    Peter Travers (his is the only review I've read, so that's why I'm quoting him again) says of one of the action sequences, Nolan handles it "with a finesse for choreographing action that rivals Michael Mann's Heat."

  • July 15, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    HEAT was a poor movie

    by Hooded Justice

    It was terrible. Half of it was just a tedious shoot-out. The other half was the story of the lives of some seiously boring minor characters. I mean, WTF? Instead of telling us a story, they start to pad out the movie by concentrating on the henchmen! The extras!<p> And the scene where De Niro and Pacino - those two acting greats - finally get to meet has all the drama of a homemade cake contest. Utterly disappointing. The two great actors sit there grunting at each other in embarrassment. And why? Because there was NO SCRIPT for that scene. They had to make up their lines -and unfortunately NEITHER OF THEM ARE WRITERS. So all they could do was grunt and shrug their shoulders. It was terrible to watch. If the director had been serious he would have said, "Okay guys, we're going to stop and hire some writers to write dialogue for this scene." Completely unprofessional. That movie still gives me nightmares when I think of it. It's like an A-B-C of how NOT to do a crime drama.<p>The more I hear about The Dark Knight, the worse it sounds. I mean, comparing it to HEAT????? God, please no!<p>Come on guys! Doesn't ANYONE have ANYTHING positive to say about The Dark Knight?

  • July 15, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by strosmer

    What I'm getting is that ther is one scene that resembles a particular scene in Heat, and that would have to be the one scene in Heat that's undeniably worth watching. I don't think we need to worry about TDK being like Heat.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Sounds like this movie will do...

    by chimp242

    ...until I can see Space Chimps.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    An epic masterpiece, truly.

    by Executor

    What Nolan has done is not just make a comic book movie or a graphic novel, he has made a definitive movie on criminals and heroes, how they feed off each other and create each other (not literally, like Burton's Joker and Batman, but metaphorically...a great hero is going to attract super villainy to combat it, and vice versa). <p> One of the greatest things to be said about the film is that, like the Joker, the movie is unpredictable. Even though you know where Harvey ends up, you never really know where the movie is going. (Like, after the big Joker confrontation in the streets of Gotham...where the movie slowly heats up until in one of the most amazing scenes.) <p> <p>What also makes this work is the pacing. This is Nolan's first truly linear film, but he takes his seamless editing style into a few tense sequences that cross-cuts between a few different groups effortlessly. <p>I don't get all the haters who come to this site because of their love of movies, and then when they finally get one that is legendary they have to troll. "Why mention Empire?" "Don't overhype." Etc. Maybe you've been burned by good reviews before. Not here, not now. Instead, just embrace the fact that you going to very soon see and be a part of a landmark in cinema. Yes, it is that good.<p>

  • July 15, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by I am the Terminator

    Is your brain broken, too?

  • July 15, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by DarfurFTW

    WTF is the deal with only new york critics panning it? i am from new york and its fucking bullshit. I am seeing it tonight so i can argue it with facts after it.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    And the Heat comparisons...

    by Executor

    Can be seen in the opening bank heist (William Fichtner included!) and the scope and breadth of the story. If you hated Heat because you thought that it had bad writing, or focused on inconsequential characters, that is NOT the case here.<p>I think Nolan was INSPIRED by Heat to make his own sprawling story of criminals and heroes in Gotham...and the result is not a ripoff or even a QT "homage" (except maybe the first scene), but a wholly original creation that is an unresounding success.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Ow come on now!.

    by Gilkuliehe

    I may have some minor complaints about HEAT but I thing it's a great movie. The way it unfolds, how all "small" characters get to play their role in the story, and how the main ones are constantly reflecting on one another, these are points I think it shares with THE DARK KNIGHT. <p> And like I said, it has a lot of things tonally that reminded me of the good Michael Mann, specially that "quietness" in the middle of chaos... How suddenly Nolan stops and lets you take a breath with a beautiful shot and a quiet almost imperceptible piece of score. <p> I loved this movie, I think it is a truly remarkable movie, so rich and dark it gave me nightmares. And to me it's very valid to bring up HEAT. So there.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    TDK will undo the Holocaust and 9-11

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    *I thinK.

    by Gilkuliehe

    Sorry. And Executor, I also think it's a wholly original creation. Of course. Shit yeah.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Heath Ledger nuked the fridge with the Joker

    by Second Try

    but that fridge was not a lead-lined one.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Thanks for that, Strosmer..

    by Hooded Justice

    That's reassuring. Because I really felt that Batman Begins was going in the direction of Heat: blandness and bright, shiny photography.<p>Terminator: I've got some pretty concrete reasons as to why HEAT sucked:<p>Huge amount of screen time given to minor, uninteresting, badly-written characters.<p>De Niro and Pacino on autopilot. De Niro's mind apparently on something else the whole time; Pacino resorting to SHOUTING every third WORD so the BLAND script would SOUND slightly more INTERESTING.<p>The godawful scene where De Niro and Pacino show up without a script and try (badly) to improvise (see post above).<p>The incredibly tedious shoot-out that seems to go on for an hour (the shoot-out: another movie cliché that ran out of steam many years ago).<p>The three hour running time for a movie that had about one hour's worth of material. Yes: three hours!<p>So, Terminator, why do YOU think it's a good movie. Please be specific.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Jaws Wayne

    Buddy, if you think questioning a reviewer about his comparisons with no doubt totally different "landmark" movie classics is "trolling" I do not agree with that. This movie sounds like it's definitely worth checking out, if it will give me only half the hard-on it gave Masa I'll be a very happy camper. Totally disliked "Begins" by the way, what an un-thrilling snoozefest that was, Hooded Justice's opinion about that mirrors mine exacltly , but I'm sure this will kick that movie's arse which is not gonna be difficult at all so I think I'm good so Brrring it on...

  • July 15, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    The hyperbole in this review is remarkable

    by Mattyboy122

    And also a bit nonsensical. I mean, is The Godfather Part II really that big of a leap from the first film? I'd rank them together, to be honest (Apocalypse Now, however, owns both of them). And, of course, the tired claim that Empire is better than Star Wars (revisionism that has flourished in the Lucas-bashing prequel era). <p> At any rate, I'm looking forward to this flick, even if I don't particularly agree with Nolan's take on the character. Hopefully it lives up to the hype.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    I came here to discuss this movie, not to lose faith in humanity. <p> From this point on, I'm only talking to people that think HEAT is a solid crime flick. You know, the sane people. <p> Anyway, just wanted to say TDK made me think of good old Mann, and gave my reasons why.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    What a shocker; deluded Batman fans building castles in the sky

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ....I'm stunned. I really am. Really. <p> $200M opening weekend gross? Beating Titanic's all-time gross? $163M opening weekend gross? What the hell in Gotham's cesspool are you substance-abusers smoking? Coz, I seriously need to get me some. For the record the top 3 or 4 movies (the Spiderman and POTC, movies and sequels, Star Wars prequelss) with the highest opening weekend grosses pretty much all opened on Holiday weekends at the beginning of Summer or on the 4th of July holiday weekend. There's a very good reason why Studios position movies this way, furthermore, all of the aforementioned movies we're directly geared marketed and rated for that key demographic of Box Office minting audience - kids which as we all know = repeat viewings and parental accompaniment. So naturally, it goes without saying, that it's obviously the height of delusion and general insanity to imagine that a movie that's not going to enjoy the above mentioned advantages, is going to gross anywhere near $200M this weekend; or any other weekend for that matter. Hell, they'll be lucky to get anywhere near the $80 million that Iron Man did. But that's okay, because I'm likely talking to the same crowd that probably imagined that Serenity was the next Titanic and that Superman Returns would do "Spidey-like" numbers at the Box Office (Massawyrm's actual words, I believe; we all know how that one worked out - there's still trying to track down Bryan Singer's career.) So this post is probably an exercise in wasted logic anyway. TDK is probably going to be a good movie and likely an upgrade over the first (which, really isn't saying much, considering the ludicrosity of Batman Begins) and will likewise do decent numbers at the B.O. this weekend; I think they'll be lucky (and happy as a Studio - this is DC property after all) to make anything in the immediate neighbourhood of $60-70 Million. But barely. Outside of geekdom and your average Batman (batshit insane?) fan, no one really gives a crap about this movie. On the flip side, we'll gladly welcome you guys back to the world of the sane and the rational on Monday morning when you thud right back down to earth. But hey, it will do well on DVD sales, right? Right.

  • July 15, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice...

    by ZoeFan

    So you hate car chases. The bank heist/gun battle in Heat was tedious. DeNiro and Pacino's improv in the diner scene was bad. So what would you consider good? I'm not looking to critisize, just asking.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST


    by TheBaxter


  • July 15, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    He is wrong, DK is really lesser than BB

    by theplant

    First, anything relating to Two Face sucks big bollocks. Second, Rachel was played by a better, prettier actress last time Third : BRUCE WAYNE IS GONE. Fourth : NO ALFRED Five : no conclusion to this movie Six : lots of good ideas half assed. This is the emperor new clothes.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    So let me get this straight; Is this film good or not?

    by Ray Gamma

    Because, you know, these reviews are being a bit vague about it...

  • July 15, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, people bashing HEAT?!

    by m_reporter

    What the bloody fuck is the world coming to? Only someone who knows shit about movies will say that Heat is a bad film.<p> That's one of rare films that gets all things right, writing, acting, cinematography, production design etc. Also, whoever calls the shootout in Heat boring is only seeking out for attention and is provoking for a response from the rabid fanboyoz. That damn shootout defined how realistic gunfights should be handled on film, its pure adrenaline.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, this is the DK talkback with all the assholes--

    by The Octagoner

    Hi Kai_Mah'gra! "Nobody cares about this movie"-- you're a funny little virgin.<p>See you Monday you illiterate shitbox!

  • July 15, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    The New Yorker's Review?

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Who gives a tin shit about about a review of a comic book movie that features an unfunny comic about fucking WINE PORTERS shoehorned into it? Oh, and the comics rotate if you refresh, so maybe your reading included the zinger with the rabbit who says "You think I'm a raw-foodist by choice?" Fuck the New Yorker, fuck their douchee-baguette subscribers, and fuck anyone who says otherwise. <p> Oh, and Star magazine - that's the finger that's truly on the pulse of what's good in cinema. I mean, did you see how they nailed everyone's love of ABBA in their review of Mamma Mia? <p> As for the other dissenting reviews on RT ... wait ... who the fuck were they again? <p> Everyone wants to be the one who calls it different. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Heat is a great movie.

    by Mr. Profit

    And when I saw the 6 minute sequence attached to I Am Legend I noticed the similarities to Heat right away. I don't get how people can bash a movie like Heat. It's weird how people bash shit on here trying to be edgy and then overpraise some shit because the director shook their hand at Comic Con.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Bank heists? The one in Dog Day Afternoon is excellent, as is the one in Reservoir Dogs. Not to mention the heist in Inside Man. Just off the top of my head, those are decent bank heists. <p>Good gun battles? Can't think of any. Maybe the bit in The Matrix where they break Lurence Fishbourne out of the skyscraper; the way Tom Cruise handles his gun in Collateral with frightening efficiency, but that isn't a gun battle. (I don't care for Tom Cruise btw!). Guns are a bit of a cop-out actually. I think it's better when they're used in some unusual or unexpected way - like in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Sizemore tries to shoot a German in the thick of battle but his gun doesn't work, so he throws it at the guy instead - or in the same film where they knock down a wall and find themselves in a sudden stand-off with some German troops and get saved by another group of soldiers we didn't even know were there. These are just examples off the top of my head - but they're way better than a bunch of guys just going BAM! BAM! at each other like we used to do as kids playing cowboys and indians.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    Has lifetime subscriptions to both The New Yorker AND Star.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I agree mreporter.

    by HoboCode

    Basing heat? Thtaere's just no excuse. Unless your 12 and it didn't ahve enough men in tights for your tastes.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    by Project424

    I avoided all Hellboy circlejerks and was pleasantly surprised... perhaps avoiding you fuckers is the new "in thing".

  • July 15, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    More HEAT bashing

    by Hooded Justice

    I don't care about provoking or whatever: I genuinely don't understand why some people like HEAT - and I've spelt out very specific and fatal flaws to that movie in my above posts. I remember watching that movie in utter disbelief - I couldn't believe that any director could make such bland, lifeless scenes and waste the talent of people such as de Niro and Pacino. I mean, that scene they share in the cafe where they try to make up their lines - that scene is LEGENDARY amongst movie fans for its awfulness and lack of professionalism.<p>As I've pointed out before, there are many specific and demonstrable reasons why HEAT fails as a movie. Those talkbackers who seem to see it as the second coming are so far unable to explain what's so good about it.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST


    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    No way, good sir, The New Yorker's still totally relevant (IF your view and understanding of the world-at-large begins at 59th street and ends at 110th).

  • July 15, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Two things: great article, thanks for it..

    by Aeghast

    ..and, get a new keyboard, Massawyrm!

  • July 15, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I hate sounding like I'm defending Titanic..

    by hank henshaw

    but that movie (which I don't like) had something for everyone: romance, visual effects, comedy, action, was a period movie, etc. T & A is only a big deal in the U.S. and it was so harmless that even there had a PG-13 rating. I can put this other way, if the Star Wars prequels (other movies I'm not partial to) couldn't make Titanic-like numbers, much less a very dark Batman movie.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I agree with what someone said before:

    by Aeghast

    " Now I want to see it even more than before... never thought it would be possible."

  • July 15, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    LOL Geekgasm

    by Aeghast

    I remember that one! Freakin' great (well, old Simpsons stuff—whaddya gonna do..?)

  • July 15, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Hooded InJustice

    by I am the Terminator

    You look like you're trying to get PWNED. Here are some concrete reasons why Heat PWNS you:<P>The screen time given to minor but totally interesting, well-written characters adds to the overall epic quality and helps in understanding the world in which the characters inhabit and the people they effect. PWNED.<P>De Niro and Pacino on PWNINGpilot. De Niro's mind is apparently razor focused; Pacino resorts to shouting because his character was written as a stressed out coke head. That was part of Pacino's preparation for the character and you would know this if you took the time to listen to any of the DVD extras. PWNED.<P>The famous table scene was not wholly improvised as you can clearly see script pages in any number of set photos. Not to mention the fact that Pacino references "eight-ball hemorages" (a detail written and used in several other Mann films) or that the completed scene was pieced together by numerous takes of the same dialog but was mostly comprised of one particular take. If you think they made up that entire scene only when the cameras were running, you may be more of an idiot than you appear. PWNED.<P>One of the most memorable shoot-outs in the history of cinema. If you find shoot-outs tiresome, then you must not like action or see a lot of movies. You sound like a really boring person. PWNED.<P>A three hour running time is about perfect for a modern epic crime drama. PWNED.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, right...

    by hank henshaw

    I don't think box office intake has anything to do with movie quality. TDK maybe IS the best creation in the history of mankind, I don't know and I don't care, but it will not make more money than Titanic... which isn't really the highest grossing movie ever when you take in consideration dollar inflation.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    "I don't care about whatever: I genuinely understand why some people like HEAT - I remember watching that movie in utter disbelief - I couldn't believe that any director could make such scenes, and the talent of people such as de Niro and Pacino. I mean, that scene they share in the cafe where they make up their lines - that scene is LEGENDARY amongst movie fans." <p> There seemed to be some typos in your post, so I fixed 'em for you. No thanks necessary.

  • July 15, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    More Heat PWNING

    by I am the Terminator

    I don't care about provoking or whatever: I genuinely don't understand why some people don't get HEAT - and I've spelled out very specific reasons as to why you should think it's awesome in my above posts. I remember watching that movie in utter joy - I couldn't believe that any director could make such an awesome, crime epic with the talents of people such as De Niro and Pacino. I mean, that scene they share in the cafe where they don't talk so much as read each other's minds and intentions - is LEGENDARY amongst movie fans for its intensity and foreshadowing.<P>As I've pointed out before, there are many specific and demonstrable reasons why Heat PWNS as a movie. Those talkbackers who seem to see it as bland and lifeless are, so far, unable to explain what's so bad about it.<P>NEW AND IMPROVED!<P>PWNED!!

  • July 15, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Soccer Mom: "I heard that movie is awful!

    by CreasyBear

    Very dark and disturbing. There is no way I'm taking my boys to see that. They're in fifth grade, but from what Patty told me, her boys had nightmares, and I'm not paying my hard-earned money for Cody and Chase to have nightmares! You can't even take your kids to see a Batman movie now, for Pete's sake!"

  • July 15, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Pacino/Deniro scene.

    by HoboCode

    I don't know where you hang Hooded but in my world that scene between Pacino and Deniro is universally revered. It's utterly fantastic in my opinion. I'm not sure what was "unprofessional" about it, but it was a stellar scene just for it's sheer gravitas. The bank heist is not only one of the most perfectly executed action sequences of its kind, but manages to culminate all of the proceeding drama to perfection. Pacino, who admittedly hams it up to the nth degree, turns in one of his most memorable and likable performances. The little subplots of the film involving Van Zant, Breedan, Waingro, Eady, Lauren, etc. add richness and intricacy to the plot and make us care about, yes, even secondary characters. The cinematography of the film is stunning and visceral. The writing is some of the best and coolest you'll ever see/hear in a film. The direction and overall tone of the film is consistent, unwaning, and epic in scope. Eliot Goldenthal's score is understated but effective and haunting. And the film's conclusion with one on one hunt between cop and thief is uncompromising and heartfelt. Is that enough reasons?

  • July 15, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    You forgot: <p> "But Jerry & I are going to get a babysitter this friday and go see Mamma Mia - Star magazine said it was joyous. I miss ABBA!"

  • July 15, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    so, ... you liked it?

    by 300 monkeys

  • July 15, 2008, 3 p.m. CST


    by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord

    All good points. I think HJ is just trying to be a stink-stick.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    The Guy Who Slept Through Everything

    by 300 monkeys

    "Aside from losing my virginity and finding $100 bucks" - THAT's an awfully big coincidence - are you sure it wasn't a tip?

  • July 15, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by fassbinder79

    I'm sorry but anyone who says that "Heat" was a bad movie is an IDIOT. Dark Knight is going to own all our asses. Just shut the fuck up and buy your goddamn ticket.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I'm awfully proud of that joke

    by 300 monkeys

  • July 15, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Heat is a classic

    by DoctorWho?

    Acting. Pacing. Characters. Design. Score...the score is haunting and beatiful. Mann shoots L.A. like no one else! And that gun fight is loud and frightening. The sound of those guns reverberating in that corridor is something else. I think maybe you have to really like Mann's style to dig this film.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Why Heat is Great...

    by ZoeFan

    It turns characters into people (people have flaws even the good guys, bad guys have real lives outside of their "jobs", bad guys also have good sides to them). Real life action sequences. The gun battle in the Matrix was mentioned as a Great action sequence. And I concur, it is a GREAT action sequence. But it's not real. The gun battle in Heat is as real as a gun battle can get in a movie. Yet it keeps minor movie-esqe elements in it to maintain the viewer's interest. Despite what some say, the performances across the board by the actors is superb in Heat. Those are just some starters.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    They usually do open on holidays so they can get the extra days in their total, etc. However, since this is probably the first movie I've ever seen have showings ALL NIGHT LONG, I highly doubt they'll have an issue because it didn't open on a Wednesday. <br><br>To suggest this movie will not make as much as Iron Man's opening is laughable, at best. I mean, I'm sure you felt quite cool hitting that 'Post Talkback' button and shredding some fanboys with knowledge, but at the end of the day you come off as someone that didn't get the Batman underoos he wanted when he was younger.<br><br>Why you ask? Well....<br><br> The highest opening was Spiderman 3 with 151m+, and it opened May 4th. Not a holiday weekend, not even in the 'summer blockbuster months'. <br><br>Spiderman 1. 113m. May 3rd (also not a holiday weekend) . <br><br>Shrek the 3rd? 122mMay 18th. <br><br>POTC opened after July 4th (July 7th to be exact). So you can throw that out the window. Next time you try to bring everyone down with negativity, atleast make sure it checks out. <br><br><br>At the bottom, Top 25 Openings.<br><br> This talkback deserves a new class of troll... who's gonna give it to us?

  • July 15, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    And That's POTC: DMC (135m). Sorry for the confusion.

    by WickedJester

  • July 15, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by andtheflesh

    <p> Why hasn't AICN said anything about the Watchmen Trailer attached to the Dark Knight? The entire time I was thinking we'd get a 30 second teaser type thing. Nopes, not according to Chud. Get ready for 2 full minutes of actual footage. Get ready to see Dr. Manhattan! </p> <p> </p>

  • July 15, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    the rumbler chase WAS really stupid ...

    by 300 monkeys

    totally outside the tone of the rest of the film - Way to destroy the city you love so much, Caped Crusader! I hope that the villains are responsible for all of the collateral damage in TDK ...

  • July 15, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    C'mon 300...

    by DoctorWho?

    If you wanna make an've gotta break a few eggs.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Batman's defense to destroying roofs in Begins..

    by Bouncy X

    "i'm The Batman bitch!!"

  • July 15, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone else not buying all this praise?

    by sott68

    I am skeptical. I want it to be good but when everyone and their mother hype's it so much, it never lives up to expectations.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Philip Seymour Hoffman as THE PENGUIN,

    by Uncle Stan

    The evil genius comic book Penguin, not some fucked up sewer mutant who bears no resemblance to the character.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Just putting questions out there for discussion

    by strosmer

    Sheez. That's AICN for ya. I haven't made any claims, just curious as to what people think the opening weekend numbers will be. I don't see any reason why TDK can't break the opening weekend record. Sounds like a sure thing with all the talk of advance sell-outs and round-the-clock screenings. Can it beat Titanic? Probably not, but I'll have fun speculating the possibility all the same. It's not like I'll be crying for mommy if this movie doesn't break any records. I'm excited to see it is all. If you're not, there's just no talking to you.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Having now read all the comments on this thread...

    by fassbinder79

    it is clear to me how so many people might not be jazzed or pulled in by the hype surrounding this film. Although any so called film fan who says Heat was bad or LA Confidential for that matter doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. Those are two of the best films that came out of the 90's. But I do think that Aint It Cool is partially to blame for why people are nervous about getting too pumped for this film. I didn't like Memento. I wasn't that into Insomnia either. But BB was fantastic and The Prestige was a work of genius. It looks like Nolan is on a roll with Dark Knight. The trailers are incredible. I don't see how anyone could look at the clips of Ledger or the composition of shots and think that the film looks bad. But here's the problem...AICN has really pushed some mediocre films this summer. Indy 4 was terrible. Iron Man was subpar. Hancock sucked the big one and Kung Fu Panda wasn't very good either. Wall E was probably the only movie I agreed with AICN about this summer. I haven't seen Hellboy 2 yet (i liked the first one okay) but it didn't look very good from the trailers so I'm going to wait and see it when it comes out on blu-ray. Dark Knight is probably going to be as AMAZING as Massawyrm said it is but I think this unfortunately going to be a case of never cry wolf. So, many films this summer blew so now when a truly GREAT one comes along no one believes it because of the all the praise for so many bad ones before it. This is why in all your geek film fanaticism you guys need to be very careful what films you start calling "angelina jolie's pussy juice" or whatever. Bottom line - Dark Knight will rule the summer and in my opinion will most likely wind up being one of the best escapist entetainments EVER made. I trust Nolan. The guy is a beast. It is time to bow down to the god of summer. Haters make your exit. Your loss...Our gain.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    kai mahgra is having us on

    by slappy jones

    he has to be. the film will have a fucking enormous opening weekend.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Thanks to everyone who rose to the challenge of explaining why HEAT is good (I discount those who simply copied-and-pasted my posts. Er.....why? Doesn't exactly prove anything - except that my argument is more convincing than yours! PWND!)<p>Okay, you're going to laugh, but I would pay good money to find out what 'PWND!' actually means. I've seen it used a lot but I'm stumped. Here are my guesses:<p>1. It actually means 'OWNED' as in 'I own our ass' but for some reason people have started using a P instead of the O.<p>2. It is actually short for 'Pawned' which I suppose means 'I just brought your ass into a pawn shop and exchanged it for cash.' Close? I'm dying to know.<p>In any case no-one has been able to defend HEAT at all , though I bow to Zoefan who made an honest stab at it. Come on guys! Give me SOMETHING! How to you explain away:<p>Pacino and De Niro's phoned-in performances. I mean, its DE NIRO and PACINO!!! Two of the finest American screen actors of all time! But both of them were clearly into their post-retirement, take-the-paycheck-and-run periods. This explains de Niro's sleepwaking through the movie. And by the way, Pacino did not evolve his patented SHOUT-every-third-WORD-of-my-PERFORMANCE-over-the-PHONE acting method for 'Heat' alone - he's been using it in EVERY movie since Scent Of a Woman, with no exceptions. Don't make me laugh with some cock-a-mamie story about him preparing for this particular role. Which leads me nicely onto....<p>The notorious cafe scene. Ah yes, the moment when the two legendary giants of cinema finally share a scene. Will sparks fly? Will it be a masterclass in suble acting? Will it be a tense and riveting battle of wits?<p>No, they'll grunt and shrug and try to make up some lines and then give up.<p>DO NOT try to tell me there was a script for this. There's just no way. Far more likely is that De Niro and Pacino are so arrogant that they insisted they could improvise on the spot - and Michael Mann was too afraid to say no. THAT'S why this scene is so abysmal. Don't tell me there was a script: that's insulting to all involved.<p>Please explain why the following is good:<p>Good guys: BAM! BAM!<p>Bad guys: BAM! BAM! BAM!<p>Good guys: BAM! BAM! BAM! YOU'RE DEAD!<p>Bad guys: NO WE'RE NOT! YOU'RE DEAD! BAM! BAM! BAM! BAM!<p>If some one can explain why this isn't something we can all quite easily do at home, I'd be grateful.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    but it won't make 200 million ow

    by slappy jones

    nor will it beat titanic but it is going to fucking huge

  • July 15, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Jeez, Massawyrm. Raise my expectations much?

    by DarthCorleone

    Hope it lives up to it...

  • July 15, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Batman & Robin

    by Axl Z

    Was also Oscar worthy for Schwarzenegger

  • July 15, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    TDK will pick up your kids from school

    by Falling_Gruber

  • July 15, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    best joker would have been.....

    by slappy jones

    ...romeros IF he had been a brutal murderer. Imagine that same exact performance but with murders. He would have been terrifying and he looks so good as the joker....Imagine that performance while he is laughing it up stomping on someones head or running over people in a car...he would have been great.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST


    by fassbinder79

    Titanic didn't make 200 mil the opening weekend. More like 20-30 million.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by fassbinder79

    Titanic was a film that built up box office momentum over time because so many little girls went to see it over and over again. Dark Knight has the ability to top Titanic because the opening weekends nowadays are much greater, word of mouth and the simple fact that guys like me have already bought tickets to see it twice and expect to see it many more times over the coming weeks. I'll probably see it at least twice in the Imax and three times in a regular theater during matinee showings. If men come out for this movie like women did for Titanic in the 90's this film is going to be a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER that will make Spielberg jealous as fuck.

  • July 15, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Forget TDK beating Titanic.. unless

    by daveyf

    You all go see it 10 times in theater. Them little sissy girls were like all over Leo back then. I saw grown homos (with their wives) crying during the movie. The same homos who give TDK shit for being too dark and no fun.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    After reading the jizz fest over Hellboy II here...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...I am kind of skeptical. I mean damn...Mori made Hellboy II sound like an in depth character study rather than the light-hearted, CG joke fest it turned out to be.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Mass is dead-on

    by hallowhitch31

    This is the best Batman movie ever. 'Begins' even pales stacked up against this bad-boy.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    I cried in Titanic. And here in 2008 I think TDK is amazing, beautiful and yes, very dark. I am also not a "homo". You are not cool, sir.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by daveyf

    I wasn't trying to be cool. You are or you're not.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Cured My Cancer AND My AIDS!

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Harry write this?

    by br1947

    Damnit Masswyrm, I'm trying to lower my expectations before seeing it so it will not disappoint!!! This is not helping!!! But i hope you're right.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I already had insanely high expectations

    by Shepard Wong

    I think the reviews I've seen today may have raised them to a truly unreasonable level. I keep seeing comparisons to Empire, one of the great movie going experiences I ever had as a kid. If this is even close to as good as everyone says it is, I may see it 10 times in the theater. And lightly off topic, now I have to watch Heat again. I remmeber seeing it in the theater the day it was released and being really disappointed. I'll have to watch it again.

  • July 15, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by Ray Gamma

    It's an internet meme, by which definition I mean it is meaningless to anyone who is not a flabby white manchild with bitch tits who still lives with his parents even though he is 33 years old.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Holy smoke

    by kungfuhustler84

    I really need to stop reading these reviews, or my expectations will be so astronomically high that the actual film could never hold up.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Forget Nicholson?

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I'm still trying to.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    it's good to be an australian

    by chipps

    I'm not going to read any of these post because of people like that harvey dent is dead character. fuck you. i am just assuming some cunt is posting spoilers. but on account of the fact that i am an australian i'm off to watch the dark knight, well, now! I won't spoil it when i come back though. Fucking idoit

  • July 15, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Harry Would Have Also Giggled Like a School Girl


    Early and often.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by Executor

    If you thought Batman Begins was a snoozefest then why even bother with this one? Sit it out and we'll all be happier for it.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by TheDudeintheShadows


  • July 15, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will lower gas prices!!!

    by Dogmatic

    to a national average of 1.00 per gallon!!!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will bring the troops home!!!

    by Dogmatic

  • July 15, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will sober up Amy Winehouse!!!

    by Dogmatic

  • July 15, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will be the next heir in line

    by Dogmatic

    to the throne of England!!!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will make everyone

    by Dogmatic

    instant millionaires...or at least feel like they are!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will end world hunger and

    by Dogmatic

    bring world peace!!!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight will replace every single

    by Dogmatic

    movie at your local Blockbuster or video rental store of choice this Christmas season and Dark Knight will be the only movie to get printed in home format starting the end of this year!!!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Or the very least The Dark Knight

    by Dogmatic

    is gonna be an awesome movie!!!! hehehe

  • July 15, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I think its cute that people still

    by brobdingnag

    take your reviews seriously after Hellboy 2

  • July 15, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST


    by shran

    Once had sex with my wife and filmed it. Then it made me watch it over and over. Most beautiful two hours I've ever seen.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    And TDK

    by shran

    is the name of a brand of recording tape. The movie is called The Dark Knight or something, you lazy no typing barstards.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Why Heat is awesome.

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I remember Ashley Judd and Val Kilmer as being very good in it. And if I leave a movie thinking, "Wow, Val Kilmer was good in that," is has to have been AWESOME (e.g., Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was awesome!).

  • July 15, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    that was an awesome spoiler-free review

    by purplepurple

    This is not a comic book its a graphic novel movie. Brilliant. The Dark Knight is almost here, let us rejoice.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Talkbacks like this...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...sure bring the fucking jackasses out of the woodwork. Heat sucked? A moratorium on movie car-chases? The ideal costume was in "Batman: Dead End"? At least AICN serves the public good by keeping you fuckers inside with your asses firmly entrenched in front of the computer so I don't have to worry about actually encountering one of you in a theater.

  • July 15, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    "...flabby white manchild with bitch tits..."

    by DoctorWho?

    Holy shit that was funny!!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Will Settle the Israeli-Palestinian Fued...Peace

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    TDK Will Erradicate Typos...Forever!

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    TDK Casettes Sound Just Like CDs

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    TDK Will Run Spellcheck on Everything!

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by DigitalBeachWar

    Shumakers designs! HAHAHAHAHA HOW CHILDISH!

  • July 15, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Does Massawyrm review at Spill?

    by Charlie Murphy

    because i'm listening to a long audio review there, and this one guy is saying things line for line from this review.

  • July 15, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    TDK will debate John Mccain and win

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Charlie Murphey

    by Massawyrm 1

    I don't know what you're talking about. Perhaps we could sit down over a couple of cold one's and discuss it.

  • July 15, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    TDK will keep Massawyrm employed as a writer

    by g-ride9000

  • July 15, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    TDK is EXACTLY What Jesus Would Do!

    by Alex De Large

    (This is so much fun, I could do it until Friday.)

  • July 15, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    TDK will reinvent the fabric of the universe

    by g-ride9000

    and everything will be right

  • July 15, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    TDK Will Make Chevy Chase Funny Again!

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by brobdingnag

    hate to tell you but Dead End is the best Batman costume ever committed to film, and its not even close. Batman does not wear plastic armor.

  • July 15, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    One Thing Missing From The Dark Knight---ABBA SONGS!!

    by thelordofhell

    Hey, just where the heck is the "Mama Mia" talkback? And when am I gonna start hearing about "Batman--The Musical"?

  • July 15, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I hear the film cures cancer...

    by blackmantis

    ...and AIDS as the sheer genuis radiating from the screen penetrates every pore of your being and saturates it with pure awesome chi energy waves. And then those waves caress your dick causing you to ejaculate multiple times in orgasmic pleasure.

  • July 15, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Okay, but does it have CGI gophers in it?

    by superunknown85

    If not, there's no point in seeing it.

  • July 15, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Hope TDK doesn't get too full of itself...

    by TheBlackKnight

    I can see it now. LARRY KING: So what do you have to say for yourself? TDK: We're bigger than Jesus. Media hate storm ensues.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by KenseiMusashi

    Um -- so the bank heist in Reservoir Dogs is great? How so, when they don't show the bank heist, only glimpses of people running from it? Here's what I don't get: people that think that four negative reviews mean the film isn't great. I hate liver. But that doesn't mean liver's bad -- some love it. I'm willing to predict that TDK will hit on all cylinders for me. There's no debate in my mind which is a superior movie between BB and Tim Burton's film -- it's BB hands down. I see some folks complaining about the very things I think make BB superior... so what does that mean? It means it's not a film to their taste. Not that the film is flawed, just that it's not for them. And that's fine! Everyone is welcome to their own taste. What I take issue with is people acting as though my taste is flawed for liking BB, or that the world is stupid because they're embracing a film that's not to an individual's taste. Just take it on the chin: Batman is in the hands of an artist who's work you don't enjoy. Fine. You had your turn. Now it's mine -- and a lot of other people's apparently.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Heat is a whole lot of air

    by Prossor

    in other words they tried to make it a melodramatic opera when it was at Die Hard 4 and the Bank job levels. all that cartoony family shit could have been left out, having the complexity of a bugs bunny/daffy duck argument, as well as the mini-stories of every extra and secondary character no one gives two shits about, and they also made it corny by somehow making it all one big last ditch gamble, the badguys who've been doing this for years all of a sudden have too much "heat" so they decide it's too scary and need to pull one more heist and then leave to their vacation dreamplaces? fuck that awful excuse for more drama. also shit that doesnt make sense, they make the robber crew be so meticulous, slick, professional tight-knit that they hire a loose cannon psycopath and dont bother to check his history. nice one! so that leaves two things, the movie's centerpiece being the bank robbery which while good its status is heightened by inspiring a real-life attempt. and folks, its a bank robbery. it's been in movies since the great train robbery, heck dark knight has one. and we have the two stars, faaar from their 70s and early 80s greatness. here theyre in paycheck territory. one yelling and bug eyed the other looking like hes going to fall asleep any moment.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Brobdingnag, hate to tell you...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...but you're wrong. Even bat nipples aren't as gay as that Dead End shit. Peter Parker didn't have organic webshooters in the comics either, but some canon would just be lame as applied to the movie screen. It would be idiotic to have a movie with Batman in just grey spandex. The Alex Ross look is extremely underwhelming in the real world.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Actors Death = Rave Movie Reviews

    by Fleet

    Im growing a little tired of this... How could you go through an entire movie review without mentioning, er, the actor who plays the title character? REALITY CHECK, please - This movie is a super-hero movie... There's NO WAY you'd hear anyone waxing lyrical in their review concerning any of the x-men films... superman... spiderman... electra... daredevil - PUH-LEASE, it's still a fucking Batman movie... OSCAR NOMINATIONS? This entire thing would be treated very differently if Ledger didn't die, I completely stand by my word on that... Sure, it might be a good film, Ledger might be great in the role - But Im sure it's not worth the fucking jizz-blowing oh-my-fucking-god-this-film-is-the-second-coming-of-christ wah wah wah that it's recieving on this site...

  • July 15, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    TDK will bring about Ragnarok!!!

    by Dogmatic

  • July 15, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    TDK will make green pastures grow in

    by Dogmatic

    the Middle East...thus bringing peace at last!

  • July 15, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    TDK will grow beyond its 2 hr 45 min

    by Dogmatic

    running time and become the film that has a running time of....ETERNITY!!!! MWA-hahahahhaha!

  • July 15, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    The best Batman was

    by tremblays

    Michael Keaton.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    TDK will bring about CATS and DOGS...

    by Dogmatic

    living together!! ...mass hysteria...sheer pandemonium! (tips hat to Bill Murray) annnnd I'm done...for now...

  • July 15, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    No wait...can't forget....TDK will welcome

    by Dogmatic

    us to a world without rules!!! I mean...the frackin' poster says SO!!!! I'm out...

  • July 15, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by Kai_Mah'gra

    ....who said anything about Titanic making $200 Million in its opening weekend? Read my post again, before re-stating what's so blatantly obvious. I'm not the one that introduced the $200 Million as-an-opening-weekend-gross figure; you batshit insane batfans did. And that's what I was calling out. The point about Titanic was the assertion (more like deluded lunatic ranting) that TDK was going to top Titanic's total theatrical gross. Any Studio exec to a man will flatly tell you that, that dream is quite basically impossible with today's cinematic economics and just based on the basic make-up of the respective demographics of the target audiences of the 2 movies. Speaking of which, you said "If men come out for this movie like women did for Titanic in the 90's this film is going to be a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER that will make Spielberg jealous as fuck." <p> Exactly the point;- Men are NOT going to come out for this movie like women did, because average men DON'T slobber perpetually and repeatedly after their heroes and favorite movies like tweener, pre-teen and teenager girls do. Nor do teenage boys, nor do your average garden variety male sci-fi geeks. We're not wired that way. Men largely enjoy a movie once, twice maybe thrice and then move on to the next interesting thing that grabs their attention. You talk about having already bought 2 tickets to see it twice with an additional 3 IMAX viewings? Even assuming you represent the average hardcore Batman fan that the Warners would love to have filling theatres this weekend, you're still running at an average of 7-8 more repeat viewings behind the average Titanic teenage girl typical-demographic viewing frequency during its run. Just how quickly do you think you'll get bored of Heath Ledger, before you even get close to that? If it's anytime before Halloween, you can forget about any Titanic-like numbers. Simply put, no movie ever to be made, lacking the appropriate rating (PG 13 and below) and especially lacking the same type of demographic that Titanic had, will ever even come close to the $1 billion gross of Titanic. George Lucas couldn't do it with any of his Star Wars prequel efforts with their favourable ratings, and built in fan-base. Spiderman the most popular Superhero on the planet, couldn't do it, so you can rest easy knowing that TDK will NOT even come anywhere remotely sniffingly close. As for its expected opening weekend gross, I could sit here and do the math for you - based on the number of screens available to number of hours necessary and the minimum required ticket price(hint; they'd all have to be at least in the IMAX range) - demonstrating that even with tape-to-tape sell-outs and near 24 hour screenings between Thursday morning and Sunday evening all over North America, that it simply will NOT make $200 million (short of bending and breaking the Space-time continuum, it's physically and practically impossible, is the point), but I'd much rather wait until Monday morning and feel sorry for you sad deluded saps - or laugh derisvely at you all, whichever comes more naturally at that point. It's much more fun that way.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by Toonol

    No, Brobdingnag is correct. He said the _COSTUME_ in Dead End was the best yet put to film. He wasn't making any claim about the story or acting, for Pete's sake. Dead End is just a little demo flick.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by batzilla

    LOL! So, it seems you were turning on and off Batman Begins a LOT! Did you READ what you posted?! You apparently kept turning on and off BB and the image I have of this just doesn't...make sense LOL! You're an idiot dude. A genuine moron right here on AICN!

  • July 15, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    good point DGDB, good point

    by br1947

  • July 15, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Er Batzilla...

    by Hooded Justice

    That's the whole point. Whilst watching BB, I kept zoning out for the boring bits: which was about 90% of the movie.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice: Heat was a remake, of course there was a script

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Look up L.A. Takedown, the TV movie Michael Mann made the 1989 TV movie L.A. Takedown from an abridged version of his script that would ultimately become Heat. You can find comparisons on YouTube of the Pacino/DeNiro scene with the "original" performed by obscure NBC movie-of-the-week actors. Almost word for word. Now back to Batman, it may be the best "Batman movie" ever but to be the best "Batman story" it has to beat Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns and I'll believe that when I see it, and I don't think it's going to happen.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by 100 SUNS

    I just made this account to COMMENT HERE we should talk, send me an email. unless you have a site, blog, etc

  • July 15, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    TDK will end human suffering as we know it.

    by Alex De Large

  • July 15, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    sweaty cahones

    by demzer

    How often do we have to hear testicle metaphors? It's like a sickness every major AICN writer has inherited? Is it overcompensation for your perceived geekhood? Spare me the huge, swinging sweaty balls, PLEASE and grow up a little.

  • July 15, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    'Forget Hamill'?

    by Darkman

    No offense, but are you high?! <br><br> Still, sounds worthwhile, if not upbeat.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    TDK once shot a man

    by shran

    just to watch him die.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Interesting review.

    by indivisibleman

    Too bad about your punctuation, or lack thereof. Commas, apostrophes, quotation marks, etc., do serve a function. You're a lazy writer.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight: Oscar for Best Picture 2 years in a row.

    by hank henshaw

    At the very least. You'll see. I'll show you.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST


    by Bricktops hammer

    What? Seriously?

  • July 15, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    1989 Batman rocks

    by WolfmanNards

    No way in the name of the Fuck Gods will this movie be better than the original Tim Burton Batman.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    But does he have any ice-skates in his shoes?

    by BBSloth

    well, does he?

  • July 15, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    In your opinion right WolfmanNards

    by Bricktops hammer

    b'c in my opinion BB is the better film. I do like Burton's version a lot though...and if TDK ends up better than BB well you get my point.

  • July 15, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Bend It Like Lucas

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    Man! that link brought back some memories of the only movie I had genuinely hated up to that point in my young life. It was not until star wars episode 1 that I felt that same wind-knocked-out-of-me feeling that movie I had high hopes for sucked donkey balls, and I just wasted my ticket money.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Noooo TDK doesn't wanna kill you...what would it do

    by Dogmatic

    without you?? To them, you're just a freak! Like TDK!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    TDK is gonna give your city a better class

    by Dogmatic

    of criminal!!!

  • July 15, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST


    by Charlie Murphy

    that was the second funniest thing i've seen all day. thanks man, that's gold.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    TDK is gonna win the Super Bowl next year

    by Dogmatic

    over the Raiders of course.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    30-20 mind you....Raiders'll put up a fight.

    by Dogmatic

  • July 15, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    89 batman... get over it

    by mynemaborat

    god i'm so sick of people crapping on about the 89 batman. jack simply played his old 'crazy jack' schtick, his performance was not brilliant or a revelation. it was a good movie, but not a great movie. you might think its great because you were a kid at the time and the experience was great for you then... BUT hopefully you've grown up since then and realise that though you're memories of it are great, the movie itself is not.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker, my guess would be animal crackers

    by br1947

    I don't know why, it just seems to fit.<br><br>It's always interesting to guess what's in the mind of a psycho, I've always thought more about the music. What music does the Joker hear in his head, perhaps 'Freak on a Leash' by Korn? Classical piano? Maybe just a constant color-bar tone. The theme to 'My Little Pony?'.

  • July 15, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    oh yeah...

    by mynemaborat

    theres a difference between 'embracing your inner child', as massa somewhat perversely puts it, and refusing to grow up

  • July 15, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Michael Phillips enjoyed...

    by depalma25

    the hell out of it. As did Roeper. They are, of course, the definitive cinematic critics since the days of Truffaut and French Wave. I'm being facetious by the way. Anyway, I hope people aren't over-praising this movie. People also thought Spiderman 2 was the greatest thing since sliced bread. To call it the "Godfather" of superhero movies, may be (even if ultimately accurate) a bit premature. We'll see

  • July 15, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    recast the joker for heath sake

    by claudiomonster

    I bet Joker will be recast ... Nolan himself said he thought the biggest mistake for Burton was to kill off the Joker - no way Nolan will let the Joker disappear - heath created a character to live on, not die off - and think about it, if SCARECROW is back in this one -- come on now. The Joker needs to be part of the Batman timelime now. It just makes sense - they complete each other. I think there's only one name out there that would do HL justice ... Daniel Day Lewis my friends ... Now this is mere speculation on my part, but I would not be surprised is DDL received a phone call from high up after HL death --i really believe this is going to happen and it's behind the scenes working here -- Not saying DDL isn't the top notch guy he seems to be, just saying -- replacing HL with DDL would be a okay with me after seeing these videos and honestly speaking -- i would be VERY interested to see what he brings to the character -- i think a lot of people would be. He would fit perfectly in the line of actors that have joined Nolans world. Nolan couldnt just recast with a Depp or someone else -- the role has taken people by storm, it has to be a GREAT actor, someone with "prestige", perhaps an Oscar winner that kinda looks the role? Hmmm ... check out these videos.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    TDK for Obama's VP

    by claudiomonster

    Just had to put one out there

  • July 15, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    lives up to the hype

    by slimballs

    This movie came out on Wednesday in Australia and I went to the first session and loved every second of this film. The only thing I will tell people is to go to the toilet before you see the film. It goes for two and a half hours but feels like twice that long. I had too piss half way through the film but in because I didn't want to miss a second of this film.

  • July 15, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart deserves best actor for this film.

    by slimballs

    Heath Ledger ain't in it enough for best actor. He deserves best supporting actor. Both are fucking brilliant, as is Gary Oldman.

  • July 16, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    What if..

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ..Nolan wrote it so the Joker was Batman's alter ego Dun Dun DUMB!!!!

  • July 16, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    I am SOOOO sick of reviews of this movie

    by acebandage

    saying that this movie will pwn you and will cure cancer if you watch it and will win the Nobel Peace Prize and bring back Heath Ledger from the dead so he can claim his Oscar! You people are making me hate this movie before I see it! There are three parts of the Joker, the personality, the costume and the face. Anyone who says that they got the Joker 100% right is already wrong! Nolan and Ledger can knock the personality out of the park but since they fucked up his face they ALREADY are less than 100% And I am basing that on what I have already seen! NOT on speculation and "Look at this clip!" I have read almost every Joker story ever written and I am a fan of the Joker, so I am just a lil dissappointed that I will have to wait a decade or two to see someone else do the Joker right. I mean the REAL Joker, not just a backlash to all the goofier Jokers that goes too far to the dark extreme to counter the lack of darkness in previous Jokers.

  • July 16, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    The Guy Who Slept Through Everything..

    by Shadow Warrior

    "I must try as hard as I ever have to not die before then." LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking driving home from work the other night. 'Must drive carefully... can't die before watching the dark knight'. A few weeks back I had to ride a plane and I suddenly thought 'oh shit what if the plane crashes... I absolutely cannot die yet!'. 2 more days til i finally watch it! 3 and 4 more days til i watch in imax! I haven't watched a movie in the theater 3 times since batman begins, and before that, never.

  • July 16, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    not a single bruce wayne flashback

    by Jubba

    thank more flashbacks to him being a kid and his parents dying...that got old fast in the previous installments (not including BB)

  • July 16, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Just saw it

    by Brundlefly

    It IS as good as they are saying. Nolan is a freaking god.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    hard to keep an open mind.

    by deanbarry

    so much positive hype! i'm going in, hopefully, with no expectations. awww hell. too late. i want this movie to rock my nuts off!

  • July 16, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    TDK will loop itself endlessly in your mind

    by Falling_Gruber

    in IMAX format

  • July 16, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    "Heat was a poor movie"?? You, sir...

    by Steve Rogers

    ...are a MORON.

  • July 16, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the coffee-shop scene had no script?

    by Steve Rogers

    Then how come not only is there a script circulating on the net, but also the scene is practically word-for-word the same in LA Takedown, the TV version of the same story Mann made years earlier? D'ya think it was because Mann, like, wrote the script? Twice? Or do you think it was because De Niro and Pacino were making it up and happened to get lucky and repeat a lot of the same sentences in the same order as the original? <p> HEAT > your dumb ass

  • July 16, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Superman 2 sucks. The Dark Knight is one of the greatest

    by messi

    sequels ever made.

  • July 16, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    This is the greatest Batman story ever told

    by messi

    everything you thought of how deep characters can get, how far they can go. This is it. The Joker was always a great villain but he always felt there was more, there were more answers. This is it. I can't believe what I saw.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:07 a.m. CST

    hooded justice...

    by depalma25

    ...we get it, you "switched off." You mentioned this, four times. The Gotham City of Batman Begins wasn't the stylized monster of the '89 Batman, but that was kinda the point. Some loved this, ohters, like you, didn't. I thought it was a refreshing take on Batman. Long, have I wanted a superhero movie to take itself seriously. Batman Begins did just that. The "batmobile chase" was the best of any action scene in the series. The disoriented fight scenes kept with the Batman mythology where the "batman" was a monster that struck fear inton the hear of it's enemy. Watch the scene on the Port again. It's a horror movie from the POV of the villians. I loved Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne, and I thought Bale's performance was a great starting off point. I put the original Burton film on par with Nolan's vision. I have not seen TDK yet, but it sounds as if, Nolan knows where to take the film and respects the idea of Batman being more than just sillyness, but a serious bit of business. Burton dismissed Batman as something to be exploited, Nolan understands it's something to be elevated and respected.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST


    by depalma25

    Your Username only reinforces your inane outlook on cinema. Make a movie, than talk to me. I worked on Heat, and when I read criticism like yours, I cry at the complete lack of understanding that your views represent. So sad.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    depalma, you worked on HEAT?

    by Hooded Justice

    Then I hold you partly responsible for the mess it turned out to be. Tell me this:<p>Whilst it was being filmed, did YOU or ANYONE draw attention to the problem of De Niro's sleepwalking and Pacino's SHOUTING over the TELEPHONE performance?<p> Did NO-ONE say to Michael Mann, "uh, Michael, I think we need to write a script for the coffee shop scene, because our two stars are just dangling in the breeze"?<p>And if you didn't, then you're just a bunch of cringing yes-men who didn't do your jobs.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    The Reservoir Dogs bank heist

    by Iowa Snot Client

    would have looked a lot like the jewelry store heist in Walter Hill's Johnny Handsome, but with bags of money instead of jewels. And my favorite part of Titanic was when Billy Zane tied Kate Winslet to the railroad tracks.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Look, stop wishing oscars on this film

    by BendersShinyAss

    Hasn't anyone here ever watched the academy awards. oscars go to SHIT films. films you never want to see, films you don't care for and at best, films you thought were good but can't understand the hype. <p> Oscars just don't go to these sorts of films. and personally i don't want ledger to get the posthumus on principal alone. he should get a tribute most certainly, but an academy award for being dead is insulting and patronising. <p> i haven't seen the film, but if it's as good as i keep hearing, then let it be good on it's own merit. academy awards don't make the point known. <p> movies like chicago and the talented mr. riply are what the academy awards are all about. <p>

  • July 16, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I've got it...

    by garofellatio

    Ready? Here it comes...

  • July 16, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    TDK Will Make Sarah Jessica Parker Attractive

    by garofellatio

    My work here is done.

  • July 16, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Kai_Mah'gra, math is not your strong suit....

    by WickedJester

    Figure 4,000 screens, running 8 shows a day (32,000 viewings a day), for 4 straight days. That's 128,000 viewings in 4 days. Say $10 a movie ticket, sell-outs of 200 people average ($2,000). That's $256,000,000 in 4 days. Not saying it WOULD happen, but that's how it COULD happen.<br><br> I might be missing something, but it isn't the hardest math in the world.

  • July 16, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Testing Paragraphs

    by Starkers

    Paragraph 1 <br> <br> Paragraph 2

  • July 16, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Spoiler Free Review of TDK

    by Starkers

    I'll keep this review spoiler free. I went in as spoiler free as possible, not having seeked out all the TV spots or having watched the trailers ad-nauseum, and to ruin this film would be a crime. <br><br> Finished watching the film ~ 5hrs ago so I'm still processing what I've seen. This isn't a superhero film. It's a crime drama (that can stand aside films such as Heat or LA Confidential) of the superhero subtype. It's a tragedy. It's about dealing with the unforeseen consequences of actions undertaken with the best of intentions, it's about making difficult choices when presented equally terrible options. And it's very very good. Perhaps even great. I really need to see the film a few more times to appreciate it's subtleties, as it's an enjoyably layered story. <br><br> Compared to Batman Begins this film is on a whole nother level. The action scenes flow much better with the camera pulled back and the editing far less rapid, the stand out being a chase scene in the middle of the film. The FX work is top notch, much like Iron Man nothing screams "This is CGI". The script is where the real magic happens however. Simple conversations between characters steal this movie, the actors obviously relishing with working with such quality material. All the shitty one liners from Begins have been jettisoned, although the movie is humorous in places. <br><br> Heath Ledger's depiction of the Joker is every bit as good as the press is reporting. He is walking contradiction ("Let me tell you how I get these scars..."), a mad man, an enigma, an anarchist, an unstoppable force who can't be reasoned or negotiated with, and in the blink of an eye switches from a darkly humorous weirdo to manic violent sociopath. And while he initially presents as a man who indulges in his every whim, he is also an absolute mastermind in the paradox he presents to Gotham City and it's inhabitants. The scope and genius of his plan cannot be fully appreciated until the final moments of the film. <br><br> Sometimes an interpretation of a character will resonate with an audience to such an extent that it will influence all future interpretations of the character. Just as Frank Miller's run on Batman in the 80's redefined the characters, or the Blade movie introduced Whistler to the characters mythos, Ledger's interpretation is so definitive that it will influence the character in comics and animated form for decades. Just wait until you see The Joker's "Magic Trick" (20 seconds of character shorthand that tells you everything you need to know). <br><br> And because Ledger is so damn good people are going to miss the other brilliant performance in this movie. Aaron Eckhart is superb, deserving all the accolades that Ledger's performance has received. His story arc is the centre of the movie and is what drives it. He gives the best performance in the film IMO. <br><br> Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman provide solid support. Maggie Gyllenhaal replaces Katie Holmes without missing beat. Gary Oldman's Lt. James Gordon gains the most of the characters returning from the first film however. <br><br> Dependant on other films to be released this year, I'd expect TDK award nominations for Heath Ledger (Best Supporting Actor), Wally Pfister (Cinematography), Christopher & Jonathan Nolan (Best Screenplay), along with a swag of nominations in various technical and production categories (Best FX, Sound Mixing, Design etc etc). If their is any justice (which there isn't when it comes to acting nominations, too often nominations are given for an actors body of work rather than their single performance) Aaron Eckhart would be a lock for Best Supporting Actor Along with Ledger. Addition nominations for Best Film and Best Director may be a stretch, but not out of reach. <br><br> Highly Recommended. 4.5/5 Stars.

  • July 16, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Steve Rogers

    You seriously need to get over this notion of the coffee shop scene in Heat having no script. You are a twat.

  • July 16, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    For those that accidentally read eggsalad's spoilerific post...

    by WickedJester

    It's not true, so don't worry.

  • July 16, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST


    by GaiustheBrave

    I think the 6th is "Wanted"

  • July 16, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Begins sucked

    by 66613

    So this really needs to be good. The last one is the only movie I ever fell asleep in. I remember plenty of movies I walked out of, but the last Bat Man put me out. zzzzz. Got more kicks from Shark Boy & Lava Girl

  • July 16, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    How does one find a copy of L.A. Takedown?

    by ZoeFan

    As Netflix doesn't have it. Generally Netflix has everything.

  • July 16, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure the Clone Wars

    by 0007

    is the last big summer film. Right Massawyrm?

  • July 16, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Before you look anymore foolish, you need to first provide some sort of proof that the Table Scene in HEAT was not scripted. Because all evidence points to the contrary. (Remember that many of us here know the movie quite well.)

  • July 16, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I'm going to pretend I didn't just read you allude

    by One Nation Under Zod

    That superman 2 is better than superman 1. I know you're smarter than that.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Have discussed HEAT enough..

    by Hooded Justice

    My above posts have given a very specific run-down of the problems in HEAT. Any more, and I'd just be repeating itself. But only a moron would claim I'm just being contrary: the movie is a bland piece of crap - for very specific, demonstable reasons.<p>I'm suspicious of all these positive reviews for DK because the reviewers tend to express their admiration in terms that are not encouraging at all (such as comparing it to that soul-less abomination known as HEAT). Can anyone who has SEEN Dark Knight explain why the trailers are so unimpressive? Why does Heath Ledger's performance look so unremarkable - even overacted - when everyone who's seen the movie seems to be lavishing praise on his interpretation? Is it a case of, "We're showing the most boring footage so as to save the best for when you see the movie"? Or are the trailers truly representative of the quality of the movie - such that only uncritical fanboys will whoop it up and declare it a masterpiece? Please explain.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I still cant get over Kai_Mah'gra's post...

    by One Nation Under Zod

    You truly think noone is going to have an interest in seeing this movie? 70 million opening? Fool.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    "Have discussed HEAT enough.."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks. You've just proved that you've got nothing. And judging by your all-too-quick change of subject to TDK, you're looking more and more like a hater for hate's sake.<P>What is it with people like you?

  • July 16, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Oh, one more thing...

    by Hooded Justice

    Mr Nice Gaius, I don't know what you're talking about. I'd refer you to my posts but you obviously haven't read them - and that's your choice. As for evidence that there was no script for that scene - isn't it obvious? No professional writer would allow themselves to pen that scene, which consists mainly of smirks and shrugs. It would be career suicide: they'd never be hired again. I remember watching that scene in the theatre with steadily-increasing horror. I turned to my equally-aghast friend (we both write for TV) and said, "I don't believe it, they've gone in without a script." We emerged from that movie agreeing that it was proably the worst thing we'd ever seen. Now you are entitled to disagree with my opinion -but it IS my opinion. I still can't believe that movie got released. From start to finish it is an unprofessional piece of work. Of course, this was in the early days of De Niro and Pacino's paycheck period - when we still hadn't realised the two has taken early retirement.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Dude...stop. You claimed there was no script written for the scene. You lied. You made shit up. It's embarrassing. The fact that you didn't like the scene is a whole other ballgame.<P>You write for TV? It shows...

  • July 16, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST


    by Jaws Wayne

    I'm with the Hood man again. I don't think that's a classic either and have very little love for it (slow down Memories, you sad silly nerd) the guy makes valid points. Now, Pacino and Bob were anything but exciting in it and yes that stupid coffee-shop scene was a very boring scene indeed where it should have been great whether or not they made up this conversation on the set. Now, I'm wondering, if the Pacino role had been played by say, Tom Berenger (fine solid actor I think) and the Bob one by Gary Oldman (another fine one) would Heat really have gotten the same kind of love and admiration from you fans ? I doubt it, although it would probably have been a much more exciting movie that way. Pacino should start drinking again to become good again and De Niro should do a sequel to Raging Bull for me to spend money again on a film he has the lead-role in.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    All the hype about Heath as portraying "true evil" at a PG-13

    by Psalmolive

    Are ridiculous. Go watch a movie like Michael Haneke's "Funny Games", or "Apocalypse Now" or "Clockwork Orange". Does the Joker shoot children in the back of the head with a shotgun? Does he cut off the arms of poor Vietnamese children? Does he rape women and rape and rape some more? The important point is that its a PG-13 movie, and all this talk about how disturbing this movie is going to be is a complete crock. Real evil does all the aforementioned atrocities with no fanfare. They do these things without theatrics. They commit evil acts while eating a sandwich. When the rivers flowed red with blood in Rwanda as chunks of bodies washed up on its shores- that's evil. Real evil is efficient, with no talk- just unblinking mechanical murder.

  • July 16, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Falling_Gruber

    So exactly how much do you make per episode of Worlds Wildest Police Chases? I knew Sheriff John Burnell couldn't just make that shit up. I love your work!

  • July 16, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Nice Guy...

    by Hooded Justice

    Oh it shows does it? You must be clairvoyant seeing as how I DON"T WRITE FOR TV IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. You don't need English as your first language to see that scene was improvised. But if you can get your head around it, try pondering this hypothetical situation:<p>You are a screenwriter. You are asked to write a scene where the TWO ACTING GODS OF AMERICAN CINEMA are going to meet for the first time in screen history. And it's a DIALOGUE scene. Not action, DIALOGUE. They're sitting. THERE'S NOTHING TO SCRIPT BUT DIALOGUE. So, tell me, what do you write?<p>The best fucking scene you've ever written, that's what.<p>You make sure that you give these acting giants the subtlest, the most challenging, the most dramatic fucking lines you can come up with. You layer it with subtext upon subtext. You give these great actors material that is worthy of their talent. You do SOMETHING!<p>What you DON'T do is write:<p>Pacino: Coffee?<p>De Niro (shrugs): Yeah.<p>Pacino:You take milk?<p>De Niro (smirks): Uh-huh.<p>Pacino(smirks): Sugar?<p>De Niro (shrugs): Nah.<p>Pacino (smirks): So.<p>De Niro (smirks): So.<p>They improvised it.<p>They shouldn't have.<p>Somebody needed to say no.<p>

  • July 16, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Just to seal your doom

    by Falling_Gruber 0psH_bM Oh what's this? LA Takedown? The coffee shop scene? Sounds VERY similar to the scene in Heat. Please go back to writing your shit TV programmes.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST


    by messi

    watch the movie you dumb cunt. and the evil talk is from people here, not the movie, the joker in the movie is more about chaos not evil.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice is my favorite Telemundo writer...

    by WickedJester

  • July 16, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    Just playing, the joke was just sitting out there...

  • July 16, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    TDK will remember your birthday

    by g-ride9000

  • July 16, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    TDK will cherish every moment with you

    by Falling_Gruber

    but it might harbour a grudge against Hooded Justice

  • July 16, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Let me make this clear: your claim that the Table Scene was not written is bullshit. It's as simple as that. The fact that you don't like the scene is another matter altogether. But until you provide proof that the scene was unscripted (others have already posted evidence to the contrary), you're a liar.<P>Quote: "You make sure that you give these acting giants the subtlest, the most challenging, the most dramatic fucking lines you can come up with. You layer it with subtext upon subtext. You give these great actors material that is worthy of their talent."<P>Oh my...that's all that scene was = subtext. The characters of Hanna and McCauley are sizing each other up. Why? Because they know they are going to meet again; they know that neither one of them is going to give up. If you can't see that subtext in that scene, then you should probably quit your writing job. You have no grasp of the concept.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice you cockhead

    by messi

    can you explain to me why you think your opinions are fact? you say that the trailers were unimpressive as if everyone else thinks that, when as far as I know everyone got boners watching the trailers. you fucking cock cunt.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    TDK will sneek beer in the theater for you

    by g-ride9000

  • July 16, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    So, let's get this straight...

    by Hooded Justice

    You're saying that the scene that LOOKED like amateur improv, the SOUNDED like amateur improv, and that STANK like amateur improv, was in fact........SCRIPTED to sound like amateur improv???!!!<p>And you're using THIS argument to praise the movie.....?<p>And you're saying that, Michael Mann scripted a scene for TV that was SO BAD (because apparently, if you write for TV, you're a bad writer ;) ) that it sounded like amateur improv? And that even though he had SEVERAL YEARS in which to fix it for the film version starring, let me remind you, DE NIRO and PACINO, he was STILL unable to improve it? Come on guys, are you pointing out that it's crap because it was improvised or it's crap because it wasn't improvised?<p>Or is the point that, either way, the scene was just goddawful - because the movie itself was goddawful and was just a typical example of the kind of take-the-paycheck-and-run movies that Pacino and De Niro have been sleepwalking through since they retired from great acting?

  • July 16, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Hoody....look in their eyes

    by g-ride9000

    They admire each other, for the skill it take to be a top criminal/cop. They are in awe of each other and still playing it cool. They each are looking for any slip up, and loose talk. They both show nothing to each other. The scene was in the script I read, and I feel like I read an interview about how some of the dialog was subbed on set.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What the scene looks and sounds like is completely subjective. And your opinion on the movie is yours and yours alone. It's just sad that you make shit up.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    and the scene was brillant to me

    by g-ride9000

    so if you think its amateur, then you are in some other universe. Look the whole movie is Stoic, get over the tone, it's not bad or amaturish.<P><P> You've nothing to prove right? We like don't. Later skater.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, i know we argued, but

    by g-ride9000

    can we agree that this guy Hoody is out f-ing to lunch?

  • July 16, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    No break HEAT=HEROES

    by g-ride9000

    I love heroes for the same reasons I love heat. They are the same to me.

  • July 16, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Absolutely. And I don't think we really argued. The subject of Batman just seems to get everyone all worked up.

  • July 16, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    PG-13 "chaos" will be incredibly lame

    by Psalmolive

    There is no accountability in movies, no repercussions for for mass acts of violence committed upon the innocent. This movie will be like all others and just gloss over instead of being a meditation and dissection into the horror of large scale, anonymous violence/collateral damage. If I dropped the Joker into Liberia right now, his ass would be eaten alive. Literally. Dark Knight isn't realistic (it doesn't have to be) but any film which takes a serious stance in its attempt to be "thought provoking" and "Oscar worthy" has to at least be a vessel through form and content to explore issues in a way that hasn't already been done so before. Otherwise, it's typical "edgy" consumerist Hollywood dreck and nothing more.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Stop it! You're killing me!

    by Hooded Justice

    Jesus, you're making me laugh, I'm in stitches. Basically you're saying that Michael Mann writes SO BADLY that he can fool experienced screenwriters into believing that he MUST have shot without a script! Oh stop it, you're cracking me up!<p>And then that Mann took a TV movie-of-the-week and remade it for the cinema WITHOUT CHANGING THE SCRIPT...........?<p> Are you fucking kidding me? No, seriously, you're pulling my leg, right? No, you ARE shitting me!<p>Because I don't need to remind you geniuses that writing for TV and writing for cinema are two completely different ball games. You CANNOT take a TV script and transfer it to the big screen and expect it to work!<p>That explains a lot!<p>SO, they took a made-for-TV movie-of-the-week and stretched it to three hours for general release........?<p>HA HA HA HA!<p>Dicussion over. Thank you. That's it. Time to take your pills and lie down, guys, you've made your situation very clear. Me? I have to lie down and rest from the laughter.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Watch this guys

    by g-ride9000

    I'm gonna kid around hoody hood

  • July 16, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, this discussion is over. And we've concluded that you're an idiot.<P>Have a good day!!!

  • July 16, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Ebert review - four stars

    by Frat Boy

  • July 16, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by g-ride9000

    FIRST OFF DON"T FUCKING TELL ME IF I'M A SCREEN WRITER OR NOT> YOU DON'T KNOW ME BITCH. <P><P>I took my pill layed down only to realize that it takes a real cunt faced sudo-intellectual to drive a mundane point about a script like "Heat". I don't give a fuck where the dialog came from. I don't give a fuck about what you don't like about "Heat". Come up with something that's not HAHAHAHA or that you think Michael Mann is shitty. No one cares about your deep seeded anger for him. <P><P>PLEASE SAY SOMETHING THAT ISN'T A LAME OPINION OR A STUPID COMEBACK. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUNDANE AND BORING YOU ARE, AS A PERSON.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Hilarious, I loved it. Keep writing posts just like that one. I'm begging you.<p>Believe it or not, I'm a fan of Michael Mann - when he does good work. I thought Last Of the Mohicans was a smart adaptation for example. I'm also a huge fan of de Niro and Pacino - when they do good work.<p>But most of all, I'm a fan of great writing - like your last post!

  • July 16, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    thanks buddy, im just trying to entertain myself

    by g-ride9000

    On the note of hilarity, de niro and pachino have both had a few doosys. <P><P>HOLLYWOOD'S A BITCH WITH A FINE ASS, AND THOSE TWO GOT THEIR HEAD ALL THE WAY UP IT!

  • July 16, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Entertainment's what it's all about...

    by Hooded Justice

    Keep up the good work. Now I've gotta go and type words for money. Have spent too much time on this site today (though it's been fun, guys -thanks to all who fired shots at me). Really, I should be charging AICN by the word...

  • July 16, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    you mean "charging by the turd"...ZING BITCH

    by g-ride9000

    You go then, you disarming cretonne.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Possible Joker recast?

    by Gilkuliehe

    Okay, don't want to be an asshole here, but I saw TDK and thought the JOKER is too fucking amazing to lose, despite Ledger's death. <p> Maybe nobody wants to think this yet, but I was surfing through channels yesterday and BRICK was showing... So my suggestion for the next Joker is JOSEPH GORDON LEVITT. The kid can act, and he even looks kinda like Ledger... Thoughts?

  • July 16, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Damnit, Stark.

    by Gilkuliehe

    I was being serious.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    So goddamn tired of this movie already

    by PhxMonsterGuy

    Okay okay I get it, TDK is the greatest thing in course of human history since the invention of the wheel and it's more amazing than Jesus walking on water. I truly think that Nolan could have taken a shit on the celluloid and all you Batgeeks would still have said it was the greatest film ever. The goddamn movie hasn't even opened and I'm sooo fucking tired of it already.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Villian for Batman 3

    by Nolok

    I have an idea on who the next villian should be. The Riddler. Hear me out, don't walk away. Make Riddler a serious druggy meth head, constantly having muscle twitches (not in a comedic way, in a distubing way). Make his riddles very warped and distubing yet genius. And cast him as Steve Buscemi. Congratulations, you made something even cooler than The Dark Knight.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    TDK will serve you Beluga on Maggie G's titties

    by g-ride9000

    And believe me, that wouldn't be the only fish I'd eat that night!ZING !@*%POW^#$! BLAM!

  • July 16, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    Nice try, maybe you can bait someone into fighting with you in your third 'it's impossible to have chaos, evil, violence, etc. in a PG-13 movie ... ' rant. <br><br> If every review out there didn't say they cant believe it got a PG-13 rating, or how they push the PG-13 envelope, you might have a valid point.

  • July 16, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I don't care if you DON'T like HEAT...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...but the astonishingly lame reasons I'm seeing sre maling me laugh! 'Pacino shouting on the phone too much'...'Mann's has no fashion sense'....'It had no sense of humor'. DORKS. I DON'T CARE if we don't agree on a movie, but these 'critiques' are completely pathetic and deserve no respect.

  • July 16, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I agree w/ Memories and Dickblood on Heat

    by crankyoldguy

    Having jousted with these lads in the past, I agree with them on Heat. And having seen Dark Knight last night on the Warner lot, the comparisons to Heat, The Departed and yes, Godfather II as well are all valid. Is it perfect? No. Is it all Ledger's? No. It belongs to the quartet Bale, Ledger, Eckhart, Oldman and that fine supporting cast as well. But one of the best films (no Comic Book or Graphic Novel designation needed) of the year. Absolutely. In a year that's given us comic book-based films of different shades and tones - a great Iron Man for grown-ups and kids; Speed Racer for kids (it was mismarketed as adult thing initially, which was a mistake); A good Hulk (not great); and a fun Hellboy (the Troll Market and clockwork final battle did it for me), The Dark Knight is a different animal. The problem for us parents is addressed in my next posting.

  • July 16, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by JamesT

    Hopefully this isn't BS, but supposedly Bale saw Keaton while dining at a restaurant and sent over a bottle of wine with the note "You're still the best Batman".

  • July 16, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The only real issue/problem is one for parents

    by crankyoldguy

    Should you/will you take a child under, say 10, to see the film? Some of the violence is implied, not graphic and pandering. But it's still brutal. And has to be scary to a young, young mind. Meanwhile, the toys - the action figures, batpod, etc. - are being marketing on Saturday Morning cartoons and Cartoon cable channels. My little boy (thinks he) wants to see it. I had a talk with my wife coming home from it last night (she couldn't go but wants to see it, certainly). Our home is the house of action figures, comics, comic trade and hardback collections and so many books many are in storage now. Father and son ain't the only geeks, either; wife decided to make us costumes for one day at comic con (not my idea, we were just going to let the little guy dress up). But even with all that. I think we need to wait for the DVD release for our son; while the violence and terror will still be there it's not the same as on a large screen for a child. Heck, the Batman Vs. Dracula animated scared my boy a few years ago when it ran on TV (he's okay w/it now). Of course, for those of you who are parents of younger ones, it up to each of us to decide what's best for our children. But it is, as I said in the header, a real issue/problem - a dilemma.

  • July 16, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    At my showing there were a lot of small children. I'm talking 8-year olds, man. Of course they want to see it, they see the huge building size ad in one of our main avenues, they see the toys in their Burger King meals, and they convince their parents to take them. But then holy shit. One mother had two little girls with them, they were so cute, they were even wearing bunny rabbit make up and foam ears (I shit you not) But then fucking Harvey Dent shows up, and out the door go the little bunny rabbit girls and their mom. I had nightmares after this movie and I don't think it was a coincidence. So I agree with you. It will be tough for kids not to go... But I think it will be tougher if they do.

  • July 16, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Oh Boy, Let the Over Praise and hype begin.

    by The Founder

    I'm sure the movie will be good, but I just hope harry and the crew don't over do it and we go in all geared up and then the movie doesn't live up all the over fan boy hype like the way the last one was done. i felt a little cheated with the first. i thought it was going to awesome and it was good but not that great the way it was hyped up.

  • July 16, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    TDK will hopefully stop the lame 'TDK will' jokes..

    by WickedJester

  • July 16, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    The your/you're confusion..

    by WickedJester

    Isn't nearly as bad ass the guy who spelt assume as assyme. It's either on here or on the Monster Squad TB...

  • July 16, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by WickedJester

    Valid point, I didn't even think of that. I almost lost faith in humanity. <br><br> And honestly, did you expect different from someone who's name is DANNYGLOVERS_RICH_GAY_UNCLES_DICKBLOOD?

  • July 16, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I really wonder

    by WickedJester

    If people like DANNYGLOVERS_RICH_GAY_UNCLES_DIC KBLOOD sit and laugh to themselves as they post. I mean, do you even find yourself funny? Honestly, I could write down 10 random words on post-its, pick randomly from a hat and come up with funnier lines. <br><br> The amount of self-proclaimed comedians on this site is astonishing.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Heat is a great movie..

    by I am the Terminator

    you dumb motherfuckers. You're probably too busy smelling your own farts to notice.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Wow Jeffrey, your schtick is getting old.

    by DoctorWho?

    Prowling talkbacks for missed commas, errant keystrokes and bad punctuation. And THEN equating that with a bad taste in movies. You have nothing to contribute as usual.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    And I'm really asking the question, I'm not just picking a fight

    by WickedJester

    Inquiring minds needs to know.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Why people believe that Jack's Joker '89 was a great performance

    by Luscious.868

    I'd be willing to bet that I understand why a lot of 20 somethings like myself think that Jack's Batman '89 performance was so great and not a case of Jack being Jack. I was 8 years old when Batman '89 was released and for me, and those people that are around my age, Batman '89 was the first movie that I ever saw with Jack Nicholson in it so for me at that time and for many years after that Jack Nicholson was the Joker.<p> It wasn't until later in life when I started to love all kinds of movies and really familiarized myself with his work that I realized that it was mostly just Jack being Jack, but because he made such an impression when I think of the Joker, I think of Jack Nicholson. By all accounts, that will no longer be the case come Friday which is great. I've always wanted a more serious and evil take on the Joker and it looks like we finally got it.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    "I can read and write and all that."

    by DoctorWho?

    Bravo Jeffrey. You get a cookie.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Jeff Albertson has got a fat ass.

    by I am the Terminator

    And he's got his own head ALL THE WAY UP IT!<P>Heat rules!<P>PWNED!!

  • July 16, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    "...understand my posts on Batman"

    by DoctorWho?

    LOL. Don't be too proud of yourself. You're hardly expounding on Victor Hugo or Charles Dickens here.

  • July 16, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    TDK will raise your children, send them an Ivy League school, an

    by goatfever2007

    It's just that damn good..

  • July 16, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    You're totally rethinking your entire position?

    by I am the Terminator

    You mean the head up your own ass position?<P>GREAT IDEA!<P>PWNED!!

  • July 16, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    Your bloated sense of self-importance based on your self proclaimed 'knowledge' of a comic book character is hilarious! So tell us Jeffrey...what do you LIKE? What IS a good film in your all mighty OPINION? Dare to put your favorite film out there to defend it's good qualities? Posters like you love to rip, bitch, hate, rant,rave,insult and complain. And when it's all said and done, you've convinced.....NO ONE. THAT is what is so truly amusing :D. So much emotional energy on your part...and so little results. HA!

  • July 16, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST


    by DoctorWho?

    After just reading your back and forth, grade school level name calling session with 'what's his name' up there...I truly realize I'm dealing with a 3rd grader. Grow up man. Jeez. Can I get the last 30 seconds of my life back please?.

  • July 16, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Jeff's mom? Yeah, she's a total whore.

    by I am the Terminator

    Zing! We really got him! Just like I am the Terminator to PWN Jeff Albertson! Jeff is going to go cry now because all the cool people hate him! Boo-hoo.<P>HEAT is one of the bestest movies ever made!<P>NEW AND IMPROVED!<P>PWNED AGAIN!!

  • July 16, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Bale is a Bad Ass!

    by PsimonSez

    What's the haps Wyrm? Not one mention of the badassery of Bale? I mean I am sure that Ledger is going to do a bang up job as Mr. Joker but damn how about some props for Bale and his take on Batman. Does he not deserver some kind words? The man has been making quality flicks from USA Crazy to Skinny Insomniac. I think it is sad that his role is going to be over shadowed because of Ledgers last role. A shame.

  • July 16, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    CHECK and MATE

    by DoctorWho?

    No answer to a straight question. Why so afraid Jeff?

  • July 16, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Jeff is a Fat Ass!

    by I am the Terminator


  • July 16, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Heat is the cock of the block...

    by I am the Terminator

    just like I am the Terminator!<P>NEW AND IMPROVED!<P>PWNED INFINITY + 1!<P>STILL PWNING!!

  • July 16, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Looks like you lost, Jeff Albertson!

    by I am the Terminator


  • July 16, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    "Looks like you lost"

    by I am the Terminator

    Yeah, in the same universe where Heat is a good movie and retards are fat ass Jeff Albertson.<P>Too easy!<P>...PWNED!!

  • July 16, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I rest my case :)

    by DoctorWho?

  • July 16, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Jeff Albertson

    by I am the Terminator

    I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say, bounces off me and PWNS YOU!!

  • July 16, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    just go watch it..heath ledger is unbelievable

    by couP

    so glad australia got it wow wow.

  • July 16, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to even bother to try to spell her name right..

    by crazybubba

    ...but Maggie Gyllenhal would be perfect as Harlequin. I'm also really they casted her instead of Katie Holmes whose got the peronality of a Dead Moth. If Batman ever fights a villian named Dead Moth Katie Holmes would be perfect. Now let really start to get negative. I really look forward to this Dark Knight sequel, but one of the things I liked about Begins was its use of villians that hadn't been used in the movies before. I was kinda pissed when I heard the Joker and Two-face were gonna be used again. Nicholson nailed the role and Caesar Romero was also an excellent Joker. In the trailers Ledger's Joker looks mopey and uninterestng. To tell you the truth I never thought Ledger was interesting an actor. He's a little too mellow for my taste like Jude Law. God, I hope future movies don't reuse Catwoman, the Riddler or the Penguin. They are the best of the batman villians, but there a lot of really good Batman villians like The BAT, Scarface, Dead Shot, Harlequin, Killer Croc and many others. Hopefully the studios are forcing Nolan to reuse popular villians and he'll realized for the third installment that he does not have to prove he can do key characters better than they've been previously done. Hopefully he'll try to prove how good he really is by making a great movie with some of the lesser known characters. Rehashing is kind of boring copeout (Superman for example) especially when it was done right the first time. What comic book fan can forget the classic line "This town needs an enema."

  • July 16, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    ya gotta love

    by chipps

    that east-west movement of the sun. this movie fucking rocks

  • July 16, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Oh by the way, Animation is Dead On about the Joker..

    by crazybubba

    He's supposed to be a homicidal clown always crackin jokes.

  • July 16, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    it was sweet how

    by chipps

    the camera kept going in and out of focus when it was on him. or maybe that was only my screening. but it was sweet.

  • July 16, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    how can anyone be down on the burton batman? i mean it changed superhero movies. this movie is fuckig awesome but it owes so much to burton. before burton we had adam west. plenty of movies these days are superior to the beginnings of the type and yet you can't go past the originals cause they invented it

  • July 16, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Why people believe that Jack's Joker '89 was a shitty performanc

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I was 22, had seen Jack in a ton of stuff, and thought, "Why is the Joker so damn old?" Fat and old. Not quite as I remembered him from the comics.

  • July 16, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    changed it all for me, creating this far more noir hero. and nicholson was good, really good but ledger tops it. as they said, you never see ledger, only the joker.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Man, where's Harry's review?

    by hank henshaw

    It will make all the "TDK will..." jokes pale in comparison.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    crazybubba and/or Animation

    by WickedJester

    Provide one example where the Joker is just a 'homicidal clown always cracking jokes.'

  • July 16, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I've got Harry's review right here...

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I remember the fascination that overcame me when Father Geek took me to see [insert 30-year-old movie plus 700 words here]... Eight hours before the screening, Yoko and I had ham and eggs for breakfast with a side of Belgian waffles with barbecue sauce before stopping at Target for some ORBIT gum... [500 more words]. I was talking recently with Guierrmo del Toro about the mythos of [1,200 words]. In short, I can say without hyperbole that TDK is a worldwide, nay, galactic, simultaneous vaginal ejaculation of ORBIT-flavored pussy juice.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    the joker

    by chipps

    started off as just a crazy mass murder wearing a weird clown costume. that is what he is in this movie.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST


    by Iowa Snot Client

    That noone will ever come close to replicating.

  • July 16, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert says...

    by Lashlarue

    The Dark Knight // / July 16, 2008 Cast & Credits Bruce Wayne: Christian Bale The Joker: Heath Ledger Harvey Dent: Aaron Eckhart Alfred: Michael Caine Rachel: Maggie Gyllenhaal Gordon: Gary Oldman Lucius Fox: Morgan Freeman Warner Bros. presents a film directed by Christopher Nolan. Written by Christopher and Jonathan Nolan. Running time: 152 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for for intense sequences of violence and some menace). Opening today at local theaters. Printer-friendly » E-mail this to a friend » AddThis Social Bookmark Button By Roger Ebert “Batman” isn’t a comic book anymore. Christopher Nolan’s “The Dark Knight” is a haunted film that leaps beyond its origins and becomes an engrossing tragedy. It creates characters we come to care about. That’s because of the performances, because of the direction, because of the writing, and because of the superlative technical quality of the entire production. This film, and to a lesser degree “Iron Man,” redefine the possibilities of the “comic-book movie.” “The Dark Knight” is not a simplistic tale of good and evil. Batman is good, yes, The Joker is evil, yes. But Batman poses a more complex puzzle than usual: The citizens of Gotham City are in an uproar, calling him a vigilante and blaming him for the deaths of policemen and others. And the Joker is more than a villain. He’s a Mephistopheles whose actions are fiendishly designed to pose moral dilemmas for his enemies. The key performance in the movie is by the late Heath Ledger, as the Joker. Will he become the first posthumous Oscar winner since Peter Finch? His Joker draws power from the actual inspiration of the character in the silent classic “The Man Who Laughs” (1928). His clown's makeup more sloppy than before, his cackle betraying deep wounds, he seeks revenge, he claims, for the horrible punishment his father exacted on him when he was a child. In one diabolical scheme near the end of the film, he invites two ferry-loads of passengers to blow up the other before they are blown up themselves. Throughout the film, he devises ingenious situations that force Batman (Christian Bale), Commissioner Gordon (Gary Oldman) and District Attorney Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart) to make impossible ethical decisions. By the end, the whole moral foundation of the Batman legend is threatened. Because these actors and others are so powerful, and because the movie does not allow its spectacular special effects to upstage the humans, we’re surprised how deeply the drama affects us. Eckhart does an especially good job as Harvey Dent, whose character is transformed by a horrible fate into a bitter monster. It is customary in a comic book movie to maintain a certain knowing distance from the action, to view everything through a sophisticated screen. “The Dark Knight” slips around those defenses and engages us. Yes, the special effects are extraordinary. They focus on the expected explosions and catastrophes, and have some superb, elaborate chase scenes. The movie was shot on location in Chicago, but it avoids such familiar landmarks as Marina City, the Wrigley Building or the skyline. Chicagoans will recognize many places, notably La Salle Street and Lower Wacker Drive, but director Nolan is not making a travelogue. He presents the city as a wilderness of skyscrapers, and a key sequence is set in the still-uncompleted Trump Tower. Through these heights, the Batman moves at the end of strong wires, or sometimes actually flies, using his cape as a parasail. The plot involves nothing more or less than the Joker’s attempts to humiliate the forces for good and expose Batman’ secret identity, showing him to be a poser and a fraud. He includes Gordon and Dent on his target list, and contrives cruel tricks to play with the fact that Bruce Wayne once loved, and Harvey Dent now loves, Assistant D.A. Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal). The tricks are more cruel than he realizes, because the Joker doesn’t know Batman’s identity. Heath Ledger has a good deal of dialogue in the movie, and a lot of it isn’t the usual jabs and jests we’re familiar with: It’s psychologically more complex, outlining the dilemmas he has constructed, and explaining his reasons for them. The screenplay by Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonathan (who first worked together on “Memento”) has more depth and poetry than we might have expected. Two of the supporting characters are crucial to the action, and are played effortlessly by the great actors Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine. Freeman, as the scientific genius Lucius Fox, is in charge of Bruce Wayne’s underground headquarters, and makes an ethical objection to a method of eavesdropping on all of the citizens of Gotham City. His stand has current political implictions. Caine is the faithful butler Alfred, who understands Wayne better than anybody, and makes a decision about a crucial letter. Nolan also directed the previous, and excellent, “Batman Begins” (2005), which went into greater detail than ever before about Bruce Wayne’s origins and the reasons for his compulsions. Now it is the Joker’s turn, although his past is handled entirely with dialogue, not flashbacks. There are no references to Batman’s childhood, but we certainly remember it, and we realize that this conflict is between two adults who were twisted by childhood cruelty — one compensating by trying to do good, the other by trying to do evil. Perhaps they instinctively understand that themselves. Something fundamental seems to be happening in the upper realms of the comic-book movie. “Spider-Man II” (2004) may have defined the high point of the traditional film based on comic-book heroes. A movie like the new “Hellboy II” allows its director free rein for his fantastical visions. But now “Iron Man” and even more so “The Dark Knight” move the genre into deeper waters. They realize, as some comic-book readers instinctively do, that these stories touch on deep fears, traumas, fantasies and hopes. And the Batman legend, with its origins in film noir, is the most fruitful one for exploration. In his two Batman movies, Nolan has freed the character to be a canvas for a broader scope of human emotion. For Bruce Wayne is a deeply troubled man, let there be no doubt, and if ever in exile from his heroic role, it would not surprise me what he finds himself capable of doing.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    did you just post that huge thing in 2 talkbacks?

    by chipps

    you did didn't you.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by TheDudeintheShadows

    no one cares bout your opinions you numb skulls. we all know it will fuck our minds. what I wanna know is WHAT FUCKIN TRAILERS I WILL SEE

  • July 16, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    and the raiders

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    will surprise everyone this year, mark my words. although, 90 percent of you dont know what sports are except something those bullies did when they weren't kicking the shit out of you in high school. LETS GO OAK-LAND

  • July 16, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 should have Scarface & The Ventriliquist

    by darth_hideous

    This villian would be perfect in Chris Nolan's world

  • July 16, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Hooded Justice -- re: your Dark Knight fears

    by Freakemovie

    I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised by a lot of things about The Dark Knight.<br><br>Car chases: there's one I can think of and it's notably better than the one in BB.<br><br>Batman's costume: they actually provide some dialogue which completely sells the outfit and addresses your fears.<br><br>Action scenes: much better choreographed. Nolan doesn't resort to a series of quick close-ups nearly as much.<br><br>The plot and characters: I think you're bullying BB a bit too much to be taken seriously, but for the record there are plenty of high stakes this time around.<br><br>One thing you're NOT going to be happy with, though, is the portrayal of Gotham City. Macabre Nightmareville is cool and all, but you need to get it through your head that that's only one approach, and it's not the only way of doing it well. The Gotham in The Dark Knight they do a terrific job of turning into a living, breathing city, and one that feels like Batman could exist in.

  • July 16, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    and heat was a good movie

    by TheDudeintheShadows

    some of you clown shoes dont like anything that doesnt have magic or fuckin fairies anyway, so for you to hate on a great crime drama doesnt bother me much. great cast+crazy bank heist+that mexican guy whos in all rob zombies movies= sick fuckin movie. you haters were probably just mad val kilmer had a ponytail and wasnt a fuckin elf. as al pacino once said- "DONT WASTE MY MOTHAFUCKIN TIME

  • July 16, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    the gotham thing

    by chipps

    in many ways its not a superhero movie. it is more a movie where batman and the joker live together in the real world. that is the point. i think it works, largely causa ledger. but if you want 89' gotham (which i also like) this will disappoint. stranly the least real characters (the movie is so good) are the character who actually have real world grounding eg the mobsters. they are flat and 2 dimensional, but this does not massively detract from the movie.

  • July 16, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    didn't like heat

    by chipps

    i don't class myself as a hater and i'm not someone who needs magic or fairies in a movie to like it but it did underwhelm me. look it was ok i'm not saying it was a massive turkey, but i do like that type of film and i was in parts bored and the scene with deniro and pacino seemed a bit of a waste. anyway i'm not going to get into a massive battle about this but i just didn't get into it. just an opinion. i'm allowed arn't i?

  • July 16, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    this movie is getting way too overhyped

    by JackieGleasonUFO

    i dont want to start hating it. im gonna go hide in my cave and stop listening.

  • July 16, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    it bet you are one of those clowns that

    by chipps

    sees gay inuendo in top gun.<p> no wait.....<p>

  • July 16, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    TDK got you that jacket your wife likes

    by g-ride9000

  • July 16, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Freakemovie...

    by Hooded Justice

    I appreciate the comments - and I AM reassured. I don't think I'm really 'bullying' Batman Begins without justification:<p>It wasted (in my view) a HUGE amount of time re-telling Batman's origins AGAIN - and completely unnecessarily. Every dog in the street knows how Batman came into existence. A better idea would have been to start 'in media res' with, say, the warehouse scene.<p>There wasn't ONE interesting villian. Liam Neeson felt irrelevant and out of place - like he'd walked in by accident from some other movie (Kingdom Of Heaven to be specific). Cillian Murphy was slightly cold and unfriendly - but that's about as evil as he got. And good actor though he is, Colin Wilkinson is such a nice-guy teddy bear that he was totally unconvincing as a mafia boss. Not to mention his typical I'm-a-Brit-doing-an-American-accent voice.<p>And the whole plot about poisoning Gotham..... Does anyone really care that a bunch of anonymous extras might have to play dead for a while? Seriously, can ANYONE claim that they felt anxious for the nameless, unseen citizens of the fictional Gotham City? It's just not an interesting plot.<p>Now just to balance things out: I will totally recognise that BB was made in earnest - and that all concerned clearly tried to make a serious film - but I think all this seriousness actually led to blandness.<p>Katie Holmes? Blandest of the bland.<p>Morgan Freeman? A reliable actor on wise-old-mentor autopilot.<p>Michael Caine? This is personal taste - but as a lifelong Batman fan, I require Alfred to be a dignified, upper-class butler, not a cockney cheeky chappie who's eaten too many eel pies.<p>Gary Oldman? Normally so over-the-top eccentic you'd want him to tone it down a bit! But here he's hardly got a pulse.<p>Gotham City? Incredibly bland. I've nothing against 'realistic' - but give it SOME character, ANY character. Look at Taxi Driver, just to pick one example: now THAT'S a 'realistic' (but in fact highly stylised) depiction of New York, that makes social decay almost poetic (surprise, surprise: Mazzucchelli's depiction of Gotham in Frank Miller's excellent BATMAN YEAR ONE is copied almost shot-for-shot from Taxi Driver).<p>But that shot in BB of the classic Batman pose, silhouetted high above the city, just summed up the wrong direction they took with Gotham: Batman looked totally out of place against the shiny glass office blocks. Visually he didn't belong. It looks like the commercial district of downtown Toronto. And by the way, I LOATHE the Burton movies: they got EVERYTHING wrong. Please don't get me started!

  • July 16, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    TDK will bring gas back under a buck!

    by goatfever2007

    That's why it's the best.

  • July 16, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Ridiculous Expectations Realized

    by Roboteer

    I like the line that this film may be "immune from ridiculous expectations"..... well not mine. And the use of the word ridiculous is highly appropos for this pretense at story telling. DK has absolutely the most silly set pieces since Supes turned back time by making the Earth rotate clockwise. The Joker's machinations are entirely impossible, often laughable, even in a comic book galaxy far, far away. Wiring dozens of targets up well in advance with tons of explosives that are never discovered before or after the fact? Always having an accomplice at exactly the crucial place and time with no explanation? What are these, the Keystone Cops? The BATMAN TV show was more credible than this, and it was a parody. There is no suspension of disbelief that covers this much nonsense of a plot. Anyone should choke comparing this to a classic like EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. Story gets a D. Acting is top notch, if at times over the top. Ledger is very good, but if his popularity and death had not generated such sympathy, there would be zero chance at an Oscar nod, and many reviewers would accuse him of overacting, big time. Maggie did what she could with a character that had no depth and that established little chemistry within the script. Similar flaws that were not corrected from BEGINS. As comparison, look what Favreau and Paltrow did with Pepper Potts in IRON MAN. With a minimal amount of exposition, a beleivable and touching relationship was established with HER rich boss, that this totally lacked. And unlike IRON MAN, a huge chunk of DK's plot revolved around her unconvincing relationship with the leads. Characters and acting B. The movie is the massage. I wish that were so here. Who knew the Comic Book Code would be alive and well in Hollywood Babylon? Not as bad as the first movie, but suffering much the same from a heavy handed nonsensical message. Essentially the theme is not moral, but pacifist in nature. But the film is duplicitous in that it revels in violence. That's why the villain steals the show, the Bat is an irresponsibe pussy who will let innocent people die, even those he cares about, so he won't have to kill the bad guy. He's not upholding the law, hell he could kill Joker ten times over well within the law. And should if he wasn't a wimp. There's no moral quandry there. Bruce really should find another profession, like selling Buicks, if he's going to be so bad at protecting the innocent. Reviewers are saying that DK themes have echoes in our own post 911 world. What echoes are those? I see a metaphor for Liberal media and politicians trying to undermine our own defense at every turn, NOT because they really think terrorists should have the rights of American citizens, but that they think Americans shouldn't have the right to defend themselves at all. That we aren't worthy of defending. It's the same kind of self hate that permeated GALACTICA... "Well, maybe humans DESERVED to be wiped out by Cylons." Well, I believe the only people who deserve to be wiped out by Joker, Cylons, and whoever is standing in for Al Queda these days, are those who prevent us from defending ourselves. Message grade D. This movie may be entertaining, cool, good looking, and a notable performance by one actor, but don't kid yourself that this is a good movie beyond popcorn fare and left wing wet dreams. There's a mass delusion going on because of sympathy for Ledger and media agreement with the enshrined liberal theocracy. It isn't a classic, it hasn't got legs, and when folks come to their senses, they'll recognize that there is no there there. No true substance. Much like a certain Democrat running for President. That's a metaphor to me that rings loud and clear.

  • July 17, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    So close Roboteer, so close

    by Interficium

    But you blew it halfway in when you started on your shaky-at-best "Liberal media and Al Queda" rant. Sorry bud.

  • July 17, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Where does Hooded Justice go when he "switches off"?

    by Interficium

    Since he claims to "switch off" mentally for most of the time during most of the movies he watches, what do you think he does while waiting for his attention to drift back to the movie?<br><br>• Work on his (NON-ENGLISH) television scripts?<br><br>• Compare the merits whatever movie he is currently watching to Tom Cruise (whom he doesn't care for) in MI:3 and Collateral.<br><br>• Try to figure out what "pwned" means.<br><br>• Make top ten lists of his favorite car chase and gunfight scenes (he has not currently thought of enough movies to fill out either list past 3)<br><br>• Wonder when someone will finally provide conclusive proof that HEAT didn't even -have- a script<br><br>Anyone have any more?

  • July 17, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Wow, what a douche.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Roboteer, you just don't get Batman or The Joker it appears. This movie is fucking brilliant, everything anyone has has about it is completely and totally accurate. It blows away even the highest of expectations. Every actor is brilliant, every piece of dialogue (almost) perfect, every character development is well placed. I could easily call this movie one of the best of all time.

  • July 17, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Saw it yesterday...

    by Joey17

    ...and i spent all day thinking about it. ALL day. Top, top flick.

  • July 17, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Saw It Too...

    by Goldfingah in the Philippines where thanks to piracy we get almost everything before the Americans do. At the risk of painting a big, smiling target on my head, I will have to say that I didn't like it, and I was sure I would. The affair felt...sadistic somehow. I won't go into Roboteer's hyperbole but I basically didn't enjoy myself. Did anyone see Gregory Hoblit's FALLEN, starring Denzel Washington? It felt something like that, with the bad guy always (and often inexplicably in this case) being ten steps ahead of the good guy. And basically (SPOILERS!) he won on every level, with Dent not only dead but defeated and turned into the thing he spent his life fighting (I know it's true to the comic, but here it felt like calculated cruelty), and Batman having to go on the run, AFTER he had resorted to a means Lucius Fox referred to as "unethical" to get his man. And even if Batman is redeemed in the next movie a la Return of the Jedi or something like that, the fact of how the Joker basically perverted Dent is irrevocable. I didn't walk out of it feeling good or inspired at all. To be fair, I'm pretty sure that's what Nolan intended. But I didn't have a good time. And as ridiculously off-tangent as this may sound, I hated "Titanic" too. But I don't think this will top it.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Rservoir Dogs is not a Bank Heist

    by Lost Jarv

    It's for diamonds. <P>Just thought I'd help you out there, but I suspect you are actually talking bollocks.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Yackbacker...

    by Hooded Justice

    ...if for nothing else, then for correcting my mis-naming of Tom Wilkinson. Refreshing to read a balanced opinion like yours. In fact I agree with a lot of what you said. There were some things in BB that I liked a lot - and you've mentioned some of them, like Bruce Wayne's non-Batman scenes.<p>A lot of it's down to personal taste, of course. For me, I feel that trying to 'integrate' Batman into a coldly realistic setting actually draws attention to the 'problem' of how unfeasible he is as a real-life character. For example, the huge amont of time they spent trying to explain the technology and logistics behind Batman's gadgets/vehicles actually created more problems than it solved. Where are the huge teams of specialised technicians, mechanics and engineers who have designed all this equipment? Why haven't they come forward as soon as they spotted the easily-recognisable devices/vehicles they helped create? Because the setting is so 'real-world', these questions suddenly start to intrude on the story.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by chipps

    what are you talking about? reservoir dogs is entirely set in the diamond shop. you know blond goes nuts and goes blam blam blam. watch it again man, they skip straight over the planing and ignore the aftermath. after all it is a heist movie. /sarcasm. <p> ian bell. 199. makes you wanna cry

  • July 17, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I know chipps I was gutted

    by Lost Jarv

    Unreliable fucker can't even fail when I wanted him to. <P>I actually thought Reservoir Dogs was set in a chip shop. <P>Mr Pink is simply the new spotty kid, and mr Blonde is the psycho boss. Mr. Orange works undercover for Health and Safety. Chris Penn played Nice Guy Eddie- their fattest customer. <P>It was a pity Tarantino cast himself and what the fuck was that window cleaning scene. <P>Or maybe paperback writer up there actually hasn't seen it- and picked the first highly regarded heist movie that he thought of. <P>It's a tough one.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by chipps

    have you seen the dark night? i just ask because what you are talking about there is addressed in the movie, but you may be taking that into account and don't think it is addressed well enough. but it is addressed and like any movie - off the top of my head bourne - some degree of suspending reality is required, even in movies that are supposed to be real. this one trys to get to a place where the characters are as real world as possible, while still felling many foes, getting beat up and getting back up ect.

  • July 17, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    AICN has been very strange recently

    by Lost Jarv

    I can understand people not liking Heat to some extent, but this follows on from bashing things like The Godfather or the car chase in Ronin. <P>The moron count is really through the roof.

  • July 17, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST


    by chipps

    to be honest i'm not a huge fan of heat, it is a very passable movie but to me it never lives up to the pacino+deniro thing. i love ronin and the car chase, there is this one bit in the tunnel where one car is spinning and one drives past it missing by inches. i recon though my favorite car chase is in bourne identity. it is so innovative and original. it really blew me out of the water. there is often an attempt to just blow more shit up, which is why a lot of people prefer the car chase in the second bourne, but i need more than just explosions. it's not worth talking about godfather hate.

  • July 17, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I love that Bourne chase as well

    by Lost Jarv

    that's great.

  • July 17, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice: After viewing all the evidence

    by ZoeFan

    I've come to the conclusion that the diner scene in Heat is scripted with bits of improv worked in there (duh). This is based on the watching the diner scene in L.A. Takedown and Heat back to back. There is NO possible way DeNiro and Pacino could have improved the same exact dialog from L.A. Takedown. To not like the diner scene is one thing. But to say it was improved, be proven wrong by about 100 other TBers and just stick with the lie is completely cowardly. And speaking of the diner scene, not liking it yet claiming to be a TV writer boggles my mind. This is because writing that scene should be any writer's wet dream. Granted, the scene isn't a Tarantino-esque overly verbose scene (however it's more than just grunting). But that's the genius of the scene. You have these two guys who are on the opposite side of the law who overly admire each other. Each side trying to get the other guy to slip, say something he shouldn't so they have an edge. Yet each guy stands his ground. Pure genius. Is it possible that the claiming of improv and grunting only could be a work of hazy memory? Is it also possible that you could be considered a TV writer just because you've written an infomercial or two?

  • July 17, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    17 midnight showings in downtown Chicago alone

    by strosmer

    All sold out.

  • July 17, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What's up, man? Regarding your comments to Hooded Justice - well said. When it comes to Nolan's vision/version of Batman, I think you and I are in agreement about a great many things. I hope you get to see TDK ASAP!

  • July 17, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Absolutely. Enjoy!

  • July 17, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    No, I formed that impression as I watched the scene for the first time in the theatre. I turned to my friend and said, "I can't believe they shot that scene without a script." Because I'm used to judging drama based on the writing and the performances - and it was glaringly obvious that there was a serious problem with the writing of that scene in particular. It was abyssmal. I came out of the theatre furious at Michael Mann for setting up De Niro and Pacino to fail so badly.<p> Of course, I realised later that both actors had retired from serious acting and were on the paycheck circuit. <p>Now, you say that this scene was partly improvised and partly scripted. I say, that whatever way it was conceived, it is a terrible scene - an insult to the audience and a tragic waste of the talent of the two actors. You (and others who bizarrely defend this crime against cinema) say this scene is about a subtle battle of wits, of understatment, of restraint: two seasoned pros testing each other for weaknesses.<p>Bullshit. What - you think I haven't seen any other movies with De Niro and Pacino? These actors are MASTERS of understatment, of subtlety, of nuance, of communicating without words: they've done it to perfection in many films. Proof? Look at De Niro in Godfather II, look at him in Goodfellas, The Deerhunter: hell, look at him in Midnight Run. Are you fucking kidding me? He OWNS the kind of scene you're talking about. And Pacino is the fucking God of tense, non-verbal acting: Godfather Part 1, Serpico, Dog Day Afternoon, Glengarry Glen Ross...<p>You want genius? These guys deliver. You want subtlety? These guys invented it. You want tension? Understatement? A battle of wits? They've been there, done that, sent the non-verbal postcard. <p>And Heat ain't it.<p> Absent. Gone. Nada. devoid of tension. Devoid of intelligence. Devoid of anything. Just a mess. You say they partly scripted it? I say: if that's true, they hired a monkey.<p>Don't insult your OWN intelligence by claiming that the coffee shop scene is even in the same universe as what these actors were formerly capable of.

  • July 17, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Hooded Justice

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "...Pacino is the fucking God of tense, non-verbal acting...Glengarry Glen Ross....".<P>That is fucking hilarious right there.

  • July 17, 2008, 11 a.m. CST


    by g-ride9000

    These guys played it right for me. I think Mann directs actors to act with a certain lack of affect, something he mastered in Miami Vice. Any film lover can easily dislike this style. It's not deep, it's pure style. As I understand, he draws from Noir 70's police TV and Ozu, as far as directing actors. My favorite actor to handle this type of dialog was the man who is still in his prime, Javier Bardem, in Collateral. The worst delivery of Mann's lines is the Pachino love interest in Heat, she sucked.<P><P>The underpinning of your argument is true, Pachino and De Niro phone it in way more then than they did in the 70's. Now their movies are not even an event. Javier Bardem, he's our man.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    N.G. don't be haten on Mamet

    by g-ride9000

    did you see REDBELT....fucking brilliant!

  • July 17, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    TDK will stop AIDS in Africa.

    by g-ride9000

    with AIDS zapping bat sonar.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Never. I was just pointing out Hooded's completely inaccurate description of Pacino's performance in GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS.

  • July 17, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by Hooded Justice

    Once again I wipe away the tears of laughter - and some real tears too... As usual you have to spell out everything in order to pre-empt the half-wits who deliberately pretend to misunderstsand... oh well, here goes:<p>The movies I've mentioned don't have non-verbal acting in EVERY scene, nor does HEAT. Nor do they have ENTIRE scenes of NOTHING BUT non-verbal acting... It's a thing called cinema. See also: Movies, acting, movie acting, drama etc etc.... though some won't be able to get their heads around that.

  • July 17, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Somebody said the car chases weren't any good in Ronin. What the fuck is happening here? and Redbelt is actually good?

  • July 18, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    6 super hero flicks Wyrm?

    by Skyway Moaters

    I only come up with 5: Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Hancock, Hellboy 2 & TDK. What's the sixth?

  • July 18, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Ok.. so the 5th is "Wanted"?

    by Skyway Moaters

    Knew it came from a graphic novel but didn't think of it as a super hero story. I suppose the moniker fits though. 'Curving' fired bullets certainly qualifies as "super-human" or "super natural if not "super hero" ... erm 'ish' exactly. Couldn't the X-Man "Forge" do shit like that? *** And I'm sorry to burst the fanboy bubble here, but you want to talk about hyperbole? ESB is a great "Star Wars" film. Compared to TRUELY great cinema however, it is merely "pretty good". Get over it. Wyrm's comparison was more about sequels anyway; great "part twos", films that surpassed their "part ones".

  • July 20, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Well, nearly $66+ million on opening day alone

    by strosmer

    Let's see where we're at come Monday.

  • July 20, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, not $200 mil. But still the champ with $155+

    by strosmer