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Quint and Guillermo del Toro chat about HELLBOY II, THE HOBBIT and more!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with an interview I did a few days ago with Guillermo del Toro when he came through Austin screening HELLBOY 2 with his cohorts in crime, Mike Mignola and Doug Jones, in tow. Keep in mind I hadn’t seen the flick before conducting this interview so there are precious few specifics we get in to until the end where we get into where HELLBOY 3 would go and just how important the success of this one is to him in order to be able to finish the story. We also talk quite a bit about THE HOBBIT, so get them peepers shined up and start scrolling down!



Guillermo Del Toro: … now I’m here. I was in Atlanta when the weather caused problems with the plane. We were in a holding (pattern) and we couldn’t take off for eight hours.

Quint: It’s crazy, some of these places when they are not used to weather, it’s like you could fly in and out of New York and there could be a thunderstorm or a snow storm and they are used to it, but I remember when Austin had a cold snap and there was a little ice on the road and all of a sudden the airport shut down for 24 hours.

Guillermo Del Toro: I remember that.

Quint: They are just not used to it.

Guillermo Del Toro: No, they are not used to it.

Quint: Mind if Kraken grabs some pictures during the interview?

Guillermo Del Toro: Absolutely not. For National Geographic!

Quint: Well, you’d have to take your shirt off for that.

Guillermo Del Toro: That would be for photoshop, man! (laughs)

Quint: I can’t wait to see the movie.

Guillermo Del Toro: You guys haven’t seen it?

Quint: No. Tonight. With an Austin audience.

Guillermo Del Toro: You know, I’m very eager to do it tonight. I think I’m going to not be at the screening as I always tend to bail, because that’s the hardest part of a movie and it doesn’t matter if it’s PAN’S LABYRINTH, THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE, or BLADE, it doesn’t matter. To stay for the screening is very difficult, because you are always going to notice each theater’s condition. You are going to notice one part of the surrounds is not really there or it’s too light or the bulb is not great…

Quint: Especially if you are used to editing where you have a full 4k system or something…

Guillermo Del Toro: And plus I have to eat a giant beef rib at County Line before I leave.

Quint: You know the Austin audience… you have seen how they react to films, so this in terms of the audience reaction, I think you are going to miss out on really feeling that buzz, but I guess you will see it when you come back.

Guillermo Del Toro: I’m going to come back for the ending, yeah, but it doesn’t matter if it’s the premiere or whatever it is, I usually… The only time I stay is if I am caught, like in a festival, where you go to your seat and then there’s no way you can…

Quint: Then everybody watches and if you leave then the people think…

Guillermo Del Toro: I avoided as many screenings of PAN’S LABYRINTH or THE DEVIL’S BACKBONE as I did on any other movie. The only movie where I stayed for every screening was CRONOS and MIMIC and then I said “I will not do that…”

Quint: I can imagine with CRONOS, it’s your first movie and you are just so high on the fact that you got to make a flick and then showing it to people, you must have loved that. I think you had said when we were on the set for HELLBOY 2 that you said you took something from PAN’S that you didn’t second guess certain things and it took PAN’S to teach you to do that, so what are you bringing from HELLBOY 2?

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Guillermo Del Toro: Well, I would say that that still holds true. It’s too early to tell right now how it’s going to be fully received and I mean that I think we are under twenty reviews on ROTTEN TOMATOES and we have only two bad ones I think, but whichever way it ends up swinging, at least I can say what I always say, which is “Fine, they don’t like it, but I made the movie I wanted to make.”

Quint: They didn’t like “your” movie, it’s not like they didn’t like the studio’s movie.

Guillermo Del Toro: They didn’t like the studio notes or didn’t dislike the studio’s ending, they disliked what I did and I am at peace with that.

Quint: I think my favorite part, when I was on the set was actually going through the practical effects, seeing the animatronics and seeing the creatures and how they could just flip a switch and suddenly this head is alive in front of you. That is one thing that I’m really glad there is starting to be a big movement now and you have done it for a long time and (Jon) Favreau is a big force doing that now where it’s kind of grounding the CG into reality. To me, I think the magic of movies is stuff like animatronics and having to have six people bring to life one personality for each take through remotes and the guy in the suit and…

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Guillermo Del Toro: I remember when right before CG when Phil Tippett and Rob Bottin were doing ROBOCOP, you only used the stop motion for very selective things and I think the mistake that happens in terms of using those tools is as if people have used stop motion, at the end of the day it’s exactly the same analogy except CG is easier to pipeline and therefore easier for people to know they are going to get there no matter what, but I think that the average genre movie tentpole has around 1,500 or 2,000 CG shots, the big ones, and the average one is 1,000 shots. I remember I think that when JURASSIC PARK came out or T2, in the early days it was under 100 or 100 was already topping it, so I think if we could get back to that… I don’t think there’s a turning back, because of the fluidity of CG is really quite amazing and is being better and better technologically, so what I think we can aspire to is to use more physical stuff, CG augmented. That’s a realistic goal.

Quint: Yeah,. Part of the magic of film is watching somebody pull off an illusion, but if it’s completely CG, then you know the trick. What I love seeing is when… like in IRON MAN, one of things I love about the effects in IRON MAN was that there were times where I was 100% sure it was the guy in the suit and it turned out to be a CG shot and there were other times where I’m like “That has to be CG” and it was the suit.

Guillermo Del Toro: That is ideal.

Quint: At least for movie fans. General audiences I don’t think are that probing, but for what inspires fandom… and you are a movie geek and you understand this stuff.

Guillermo Del Toro: Look, there is an aspect of puppetry in animatronics that is just incredibly charming and has a lot more personality I think than just going straight CG, if you can avoid it.

Quint: I think it also opens up happy accidents, too where CG is so rigidly planned.

Guillermo Del Toro: You open the performance as opposed to… Even if you get a great animator, once you have a performance, if the timeline is not incredibly big… If you have two years of post production, yeah then you can tweak it, but if you are against a release date like most people are, all you can expect is to tweak that performance a little. I would say we really, really tweaked about 45% of the CG shots on HELLBOY, because of performance and we really took it to the wire. I think there were many, many weeks in which I was the most hated man in Soho in London, because I kept sending stuff back for performance, just saying “Look, this is not working.” The only thing you can not allow is the CG not to do the piece of storytelling it needs to do.

Quint: That’s important and that’s why I think a lot of people really like your work, because you have such a focus on the story and on the character and that’s… I think a lot of times when you get on to bigger budgets, a lot of people focus more on the spectacle than they do on the story and what I love about your stuff going back to the early days, you could look at CRONOS or BACKBONE… even though they are different movies, you can still look at BLADE 2 and see the heart and humanity there and you can look at HELLBOY and see the same thing.

Guillermo Del Toro: I think for those, and it’s the same for every movie, for those that connect with them, yes absolutely. For those that will never connect with them, no, but you are right for at least finding moments that go against the grain in every movie. I remember one of the early screenings of BLADE 2 and one of the executives saying “We should reshoot the final scene and have Nomak killed by Blade as opposed to him offing himself or give him a really nasty one liner and then Wesley gives him an even nastier one liner,” and I didn’t want to go that way and it was a big fight. I know it may be silly to fight for those moments of humanity like him talking to his father in a movie so blatantly popcornish, but I still do it because I’m geared that way.

Quint: That’s what sells the spectacle. You have to care about the character and if you don’t, then you could have as much on the screen and it doesn’t matter.

Guillermo Del Toro: It’s empathy. If you recognize yourself in any moment of that character, it’s very, very good. I think that with HELLBOY 2, we were juxtaposing something that maybe a little crazy, which is big set pieces with incredibly tiny character moments that are just almost intimate, you know, really more towards a different rhythm and I don’t know, so far the screenings have been going great. The response at the end with the Q & A’s have been great. I’m very anxious to see the response tonight.

Quint: I think you definitely have a crowd that is predisposed. You are definitely preaching to the choir with the Austin crowd, so it’s definitely your audience.

Guillermo Del Toro: Great!

Quint: I think you are going to have to fuck up really bad to piss them off. What do you have coming up? THE HOBBIT is probably going to be the next film you jump in to…

Guillermo Del Toro: Oh yeah!

Quint: You are not going to be able to sneak in a new…

Guillermo Del Toro: No no no and neither would I try. It would be madness… The scope of that movie…

Quint: You are writing it with Peter [Jackson], Fran [Walsh], and Philippa [ Boyens] right?



Guillermo Del Toro: Yep, but the scope of those movies are staggering. I know it sounds like a leisured preproduction when you say a year and a half or two, but it isn’t. We have to create a lot of new stuff for the first movie and we have to recreate a lot of the stuff they did on the trilogy they did for the second movie, so it’s not even prepping two movies consecutively, it’s prepping two completely different movies in a sense, because the second movie is in many ways an exercise in mimicry and at a certain point it has to evolve into the lensing, the color palette, the texture palette, and the feel of the trilogy…

Quint: …because if it doesn’t bridge the two stories, then there is no point in making the second film.

Guillermo Del Toro: The whole point is to bridge them. The whole point is to create that joining, but I think that it’s also expanding and illuminating some of the aspects of the trilogy in a slightly different way, like same characters in a different environment. I find that very attractive that you can see the characters before they know their destiny, you know? I love that idea which is something very attractive.

Quint: Now are you going to… I’m familiar with the story, I have read THE HOBBIT, of course, in elementary school and I have read it since and I have read the RINGS, but I am not as familiar with all of the background that Tolkien submitted. Are you going to be able to have the second movie have its own story? I think a lot of the worry with the fanbase is that you have THE HOBBIT in one movie and then you have a second movie which is just going to be “Hey look, you remember these guys?” I know that isn’t the…

Guillermo Del Toro: It’s too early to tell. I know that for the first time I can say something and it won’t be taken out of context, so I’ll give a decent answer, if there was no second movie, we would not be attempting it. We would leave there is, but it’s in the early stages of investigation and I have never been asked so many questions about a project that hasn’t been started or a script that is not written and it’s natural, but I’ve been dealing with it since we started promoting THE ORPHANAGE, when I didn’t even know if it was going to go which way, so THE ORPHANAGE… The HELLBOY set visits or the HELLBOY junkets… all of that ends up with me answering about THE HOBBIT.

Quint: That’s what happens when you dip your feet into the…

Guillermo Del Toro: Absolutely! God bless, but unfortunately once you run out of answers you run out of answers.

Quint: That’s cool, so what about the other stuff that you have a hand in, like SPLICE and all of that?

Guillermo Del Toro: I am hoping precisely when THE HOBBIT came to be, which was only a few months ago, it represents such a big detour in my life just anecdotally that I have to start finishing or putting to bed or shepherding the stuff I had pending. I cancelled a lot of stuff and had many other stuff going and other projects going and I had to put them to bed in what is left of the year, from now until December, because by the spring of next year I will be going more and more to New Zealand until I finally completely move there. SPLICE is in post. I have a project at Miramax that I am doing for a new filmmaker. I may be involved in a movie in Spain. I’m finishing a movie in Spain just now that I’m co-producing by the same guy that did Cronicas, the movie with [John] Leguizamo that we did and I like very much. That is a very good director… The CHA CHA CHA movies, we finished the first one and it opens in Mexico in December… everything is geared towards finishing at the end of the year.

Quint: It feels like you are in a real interesting time. You are in the calm before the storm once HELLBOY is out.

Guillermo Del Toro: This is a calm?

Quint: Well not now, but then you have the rest of the year and it’s going to be…

Guillermo Del Toro: I’m actually in the storm before the calm and then I’m going to be in the storm full time. The only thing I requested in a humane way is that I take ten days off between now and the time we start THE HOBBIT, because I really need ten days off.

Quint: Just to think about nothing.

Guillermo Del Toro: Just to think about whatever, you know? Swim or not swim…

[A representative comes up to wrap the interview up.]

Guillermo Del Toro: Give us a few, please.

Quint: I really can’t ask you too much more without having seen the movie…

Guillermo Del Toro: That is very fair.

Quint: But I will say that everything that I have heard and based on the early draft of the script I read and seeing especially the Angel of Death when we visited, that you are aiming to finish off the HELLBOY story in a pretty dark way. Is that accurate?

Guillermo Del Toro: That still holds. I don’t know if dark is the word, but heartbreaking would be a good word or tragic if you want, but at least I think the stakes are high enough for the third movie if there ever is one. This is the only movie I have done when I am actually really, really invested in the outcome; because normally once they are out they are out. If they make X amount of money or they under-perform or over-perform I don’t care, but in this case there is a part of me that really feels I would love to finish this iteration of the story.

Quint: Yeah, and you think that if this one doesn’t do well at the box office then you just wont be able to tell that story?

Guillermo Del Toro: Yeah, it’s the first time I have been watching and checking the tracking with a magnifying glass and checking ROTTEN TOMATOES every five minutes, but as I said so far so good, out of twenty reviews two bad is pretty OK.

Quint: I guess we wouldn’t get a third one for what five years from now?

Guillermo Del Toro: It depends where it’s shot… You know what I’m saying?

Quint: Just sneaking it in between Hobbit movies!?

Guillermo Del Toro: Not in between, but right after. At least we can start prepping or something, but…

[Mike Mignola approaches Guillermo from behind and hugs him while saying, “He’s lyin’! He’s lyin’! Don’t believe anything he says!”]

Guillermo Del Toro: It was all made with puppets! (laughs) I think it’s all that idea of “What is going to happen?” for the first time in my life and it is kind of unnerving.

Quint: Just telling you from everybody that I have heard of. I knew people that were in the very first studio screening, when the studio saw it and they flipped for it. I didn’t even know ROTTEN TOMATOES were getting reviews in already.

Guillermo Del Toro: I know, because I checked five minutes ago, like “Just a second Darling, I’m checking ROTTEN TOMATOES! Dinner is served.”



As always, it was a pleasure speaking with Guillermo. Even at this point in the billions of press he’s done for the film, he was still attentative, personable and filled with his unique enthusiasm. Thanks to Muldoon for the last minute transcription on this. He’s also working on getting out my 1 on 2 interview with Doug Jones and Mike Mignola, so look for that this weekend! Lots on the docket, squirts… I had hoped the week before Comic-Con would be easy, but it seems that more and more is locked down… I’ve done 6 interviews (no shit) since the Hellboy ones, so keep an eye out for more stuff in the days leading up to the con. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • July 12, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Only good things to come

    by Aloy

    from Mr.Del Toro

  • July 12, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Guillermo's Wears His Passion On His Sleeve

    by thelordofhell

    And that is what makes him a great director.

  • July 12, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit

    by Clarence Boddicker

    Personally, the only thing that I'm curious about is how he's going to handle the difference between Goblins and Orcs...a nerd gripe I know...but still...I'm intrigued. JRR used the term liberally...

  • July 12, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Just saw it

    by kungfuhustler84

    while I have always been a huge movie fan and have had ambitions of getting into the movie industry, Hellboy II is the one film that I think has really inspired me to dig in my heels and really work to create my own films and spread them around. This movie had so much soul, so much excitement, so much creative designing and art and action, that I simply cannot see myself working in any other field any longer. Del Toro has shown me how successful a film maker can be at merging perfect action-packed fun with incredibly meticulous artistic design, and charming characterizations. While this is definitely not the best movie I have ever seen, I was just in awe of the movie. It was so obvious how much time was put into every little detail. That scene at the market is still spinning in my head. Well done man. Really entertaining, creative, wonderful stuff.

  • July 12, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Oh, and that elf prince?

    by kungfuhustler84

    Total badass. I know he was the bad guy, but I was almost rooting for him the whole time. The action scenes with him were pretty incredible. I wonder, did Luke do all his own stunts? It was seriously some of the best screen fighting I have seen in an American film since maybe the first Matrix movie. And I have seen A LOT of fight scenes in my day.

  • July 12, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Mimic

    by Project424

    Mr. Funny Shoes was his best character... followed by the one-legged nymphomaniac.

  • July 12, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    GTD is awesome

    by m_reporter

    A truly visionary filmmaker.<p> Can't wait to watch Hellboy 2.

  • July 12, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Good luck Kungfuhustler

    by half vader

    I'm glad it inspired you to take that step over the line. Go for it mate, and let us know how you get on here in the TBs. Although be prepared for nerd wrath over some of the stuff you find yourself on!

  • July 12, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah, one qualm

    by kungfuhustler84

    Hellboy as a boy. Hideous. Just really stupid.

  • July 12, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    kid hellboy

    by m_reporter

    Was actually in a short Hellboy "story" called Pancakes. Was a nice and funny peace.<p> No idea how kid HB looks in this film though, so yeah... I can see i going wrong easy.

  • July 12, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    If only the elf twins were fleshed out a bit more...

    by Shermdawg

    ...especially Abe's angle with The Princess, Hellboy 2 would've been damn-near perfect. <br><br> Best film so far this summer.

  • July 12, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    "I can see IT going wrong easy"...

    by m_reporter

    ...yeah... they need to add an edit option here :P

  • July 12, 2008, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Ah crap.

    by Shermdawg

    Forgot about the kid. <br><br> Yeah, Red as a boy was a bit on the weak side, but I'll chalk that up to having him overact the part.

  • July 12, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Quint, call me crazy, but...

    by GeekyAnimeNerd79Beyotch

    ... How can anyone come up behind him when he's sitting in front of a wall?

  • July 12, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Mike's got phase abilities.

    by Shermdawg

    He hugged him THROUGH the wall.

  • July 12, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Gracias Guillermo

    by mr_lopez

    Hellboy II estuvo perfecta. Eres un orgullo mexicano!

  • July 12, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    88% on Rottentomoatoes.

    by Cameron1

    Great interview and Del Toro must be really happy with the score too. Congratulations, Guillermo you've more than earned it. HellBoy 2 is a perfect movie. Pan's Labyrinth and this are his masterpieces.

  • July 12, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    fond memories of the days of the trilogy

    by deanbarry

    Remember them? After the Fellowship Of The Ring came out, I was buzzing with anticipation for the next two. Every year, building up to their consecutive releases was a time of wonder. Something to look forward to. And when the trilogy ended...it was a time of sadness. As there was no more to look forward to. But now, The Hobbit is happening. The time of wonderment is on us again. Bliss! Cinema is getting the magic back once again :)

  • July 12, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Having seen HBII I am VERY concerned

    by brobdingnag

    About letting this guy touch the Hobbit. While he may be able to handle the visual aspects, that's about ALL he can handle. I hope Jackson keeps this guy on a tight leash.

  • July 12, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    A Perfectly executed GDT movie

    by Sparhawk38

    That is the thing. It has real heart, and after seeing it and thinking about it for a bit, it feels like GDT was able to do what he wanted to do. Some may not like it or nit pick it to death, but it seems like the director was able to make the movie he wanted. Not many movies feel that way. If you like his movies, I don't see how you could not love this one. I understand the criticism of the "boy" scene, but it sort of came off to me like it was a memory. Like we were seeing it as hellboy would remember it. Either way, it was an important scene, I think. It jarred me a little at first and then I was into it. John Hurt nailed that scene and it really captured a father/son feeling. The only other small moment was Abes voice. But again, I think it was the right choice to let Doug Jones voice his own damn character. I don't think we would have noticed at all if he had done it in the first. It started to blend in for me as the movie progressed. Finally, I think the fight scenes were amazing and worked in the style of the film perfectly. They could have been so much less. Instead they came across epic and totally connected with the story. Not too much, not too little, just right. I am still a little overwhelmed by it all. I know I am going to live TDK, but the as many have stated in the past, the fight scenes from the first did not carry the emotional impact I had hoped they would. I don't think they should be just like Hellboy, because those fit the bill specifically for that movie...I just think that the fights in TDK should fit and carry the same emotional impact that they do in HB2. What a great summer for movies! ...if you are a big geek.

  • July 12, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit films. The Truth:

    by SonOfTorah

    The Tolkien Estate have told The Hobbit film makers that they have the film rights to The Lord Of The Rings and The Hobbit. Nothing more, nothing less. Thus, the 5th film will be based on material available from the Appendices of The Lord Of The Rings and events from The Hobbit. Not Lost Tales, not Unfinished Stories or any other source. Meaning that Jackson and crew are going to need to come up with a script that is virtually 95% NEW material. Me? I don't think it is going to happen. Too much of a stretch...

  • July 12, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Cameron1

    by topaz4206

    I agree, but don't forget Devil's Backbone. One of the best ghost stories ever filmed. Pitch perfect.

  • July 12, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Brilliant Film

    by Evil Chicken

    Great interview. Was it just me or does the Elf Prince remind anyone else of Tom Cruise? Great film. I can’t wait for number 3! Maybe we can wait for the Hobbit? Bring on Big Red.

  • July 12, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Mountains of Madness

    by seanbo

    'Just saw Hellboy II and noticed "old One" in troll market... Is this all we'll ever see of the "Mountains of MAdness""?

  • July 12, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Doug jones...

    by Rameses

    The guy deserves credit for being able to create a character whilst suffering under so much latex.And was great in Pans Labyrinth.But I agree , he's incredibly limited.He just seems to do the classic mime bit ,with his hands held up in front , palms forewards , whilst occasionly pointing one fingered forewards/beckoning and thats it.The faun , the thin pale man , Abe sapian , and the angel of death thingy are all pulling this stuff.That said , I thought his mtion capture for silver surfer was interesting , he kept it rather subtle compared to the silent movie acting we usually end up with.

  • July 12, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Huggy Bear

    by lonestaricon

    GDT has such passion and enthusiasm that I just want to hug the SOB and thank him for bringing these stories to the big screen. I can hardly wait to see the movie.

  • July 12, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Phasing

    by Quint

    That's a trick of the camera... there was about 4 feet between Guillermo and the wall. Sure, Mignola had to slide in, but it was still a grapple from behind.

  • July 12, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Hellboy 2 sucked

    by StrokerX

    I have every Hellboy comic so I can talk. I go on about it Harry's review so i wont bore you all here but yeah....Sucked balls

  • July 12, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Hellboy 2 was solid

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Not great but better than #1 by far imo.

  • July 12, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    GDT should do a movie version of...

    by mrfan

    Jack Kirby's The Demon. Would love to see that adapted into film by him.

  • July 12, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    MOUNTAINS OF FUCKING MADNESS

    by theredtoad

    This is all I ask for, Del Toro. I would even pass on the second Hobbit movie, for you to replace it with Mountains. Please before we are old, do Mountains!

  • July 12, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Evil Chicken

    by Carl XVI Gustaf

    Yeah, he did remind me of Tom Cruise: The Prince of Scientology.

  • July 12, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Recycled Storyline from BLADE 2

    by WhoDis

    Instead of Vampires vs. Humans, it's Faerie world vs. Humans. Another otherworldly king who gets killed by his renegade son, while the daughter helps the good guy, who happens to be a hybrid of sorts (vampire/human, demon/human). A lot of wirework, jumping fights and then everyone who isn't a good guy, dies in the end.... anyway, enough busting balls... love love loved the visuals and artistry put into this, but left feeling kind of "meh" and I'm a huge Hellboy comics fan and a fan of the first Hellboy and of Del Toro in general.

  • July 12, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I noticed that too

    by kungfuhustler84

    Luke Goss plays pretty much the exact same character as in Blade II, only a little less vicious.

  • July 13, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    I liked it, but understand the haters.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Tonally it completely abandons the "dark, serious" tone that is fashionable for comic book films, in favor of a more exuberant, demented and over-the-top approach. There's a serious movie hidden in there, but it doesn't telegraph itself in the modern way with brooding moodiness or a dark and colorless palette. I particularly liked the way that each character, even many of the minor ones, faces a choice, and the results of that choice end up driving the plot - Liz has a choice, Abe has a choice, Red has multiple moments of choice, the Elf King has a choice, the Prince and Princess have choices. And it's very refreshing to see someone spend their $75 million on something more than CGI. But there are many elements of this film that are derivative, and if you don't like that, and expected more of a Sin City tone, I can see how you wouldn't like this movie.

  • July 13, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    GdT...Spielberg can go fuck hizzelf!

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I was watching Jurassic Park of USA last night and was reminded of what an incredible filmmaker he used to be. Even X number of years later that movie was TIGHT, man. ever since he went "serious" he's lost it. INDY IV is a piece of shit and he should be ashamed. del Torro is our next, best hope for a fully realized geektastic celluloid hero. <p> DO WHAT YOU DO, G, and I'll be there in full effect!!!

  • July 13, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Jurassic Park

    by FluffyUnbound

    I think Jurassic Park is a poor example to use of Spielberg's greatness, because it's basically just a shot-for-shot film version of the book. If it's tight, it's because every once in a while Crichton used to hit a story out of the park. But ET and Close Encounters are so tight they make Jurassic Park look like Madonna's snatch. Those are the examples to use, really.

  • July 13, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Hellboy II was fan-fuckin'-tastic.

    by rbatty024

    Caught it last night and I thought it was better than the first, which I really enjoyed. A lot more humor this time around. Visually it was absolutely stunning. I wanted more of the Angel of Death.

  • July 13, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    dturing had it right

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    The film was simply too short. I immensely enjoyed it, mind you, but it felt overly edited--too rushed. HB2 needed a good 30-45 minutes longer running time. Looking forward to the director's cut...

  • July 13, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    HB II was great.

    by cinemixtape.com

    I didn't love the first, but this one fixed the problems that the first one had (aka crappy dialogue/melodrama, etc..)

  • July 13, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Yeah OK cause this one had no melodrama

    by StrokerX

    The whole Hellboy/Liz relationship is SO unbelievable. Them arguing felt so forced. I'm beginning to hate ms. selma....it's probably not her fault. It's the writers for adding the love angle in. <p> my mind explodes in the potential of what and actual Hellboy movie could be like.<p> Cant believe that in 2 Hellboy movies theres not a single shot of a wierd statue or shadow and an ominous voice whispers "death"...or somthing like that....i agree what one TBr said about the creature designs looking like leftovers from Pans

  • July 13, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Just saw it.

    by DoctorWho?

    Pretty cool. Not as fantastic as I expected after checking out Mori's review. It was played up for laughs a bit too much for my tastes. I wasn't expecting that. I was entertained. But in the first 15 minutes there was all these sight gags in the background along with the funny "couple in love" argument played for yuk-yuk's. And of course the Barry Manilow stuff...reminded me of Spidey 3 and trying to get too cutesy. The first HB had some of that too but was usually blended in service of the story. HB and the Prince' battle at the end was visually stunning. I would have prefered less 'spectacle' and more back story and development on the prince and his world. And how about that kid Hellboy at the beginning...kind of goofy.

  • July 13, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    I'm nervous about The Hobbit 2

    by Glamour Fairy

    But I think it's in the right hands if there ever was. I can't wait to see Gandalf the Grey again and how he will figure into the second film.

  • July 13, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I wish he had the chance to make more and more movies..

    by Aeghast

    ..more often too. Or get him cloned or something. Like Christopher Nolan.. we need cloning technology and we need it now LOL

  • July 13, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    STROKER X- you are right

    by 11ZOMBIES

    You are the only other person I've ever heard these opinions from other than me and my lady. I'm not saying that GDT isn't talented- he certainly is, watch "The Devil's Backbone" and there is no denying it. However, his first Hellboy film hurt me. Reading the reviews and synopses of "The Golden Army" hurt even worse. A Hellboy movie that is ACTUALLY true to the themes and ideas of the comic series would be mind blowing.

  • July 13, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Just finished watching Hellboy 2 a couple of hours ago.

    by rev_skarekroe

    It's really good. Much better than the first. And guys, if you made a Hellboy movie that was shot like one of Mignola's comics, it wouldn't work. It'd come out like a French arthouse film and it'd be unintentionally silly.

  • July 14, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Has GDT read The Hobbit?

    by AntoniusBloc

    Is that why he needs ten days off? Not that i've seen many, but in the few interviews i've come across, he never mentions Tolkien, he never mentions any love for the stories, never mentions characters, he just says he wants to respect the world PJ created? Then mix it with his vision? What about the source material? Still not sure about this choice.

  • July 14, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Heh, rev_skarekroe

    by 11ZOMBIES

    "It'd come out like a French arthouse film and it'd be unintentionally silly." Yes it would- if you shot it like a French arthouse film(not sure why you'd do that though). A movie shot like one of Mignola's comics- done by someone with a vision of how to bring that imagery to life- would be awe inspiring.

  • July 14, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    GDT and the magic watch

    by wokethebaby

    Quint, thanks for explaining how Mingnola got behind GDT for that hug, but now explain why GDT's watch and ring go from being on his left arm in the first 2 pictures to his right arm in the last picture. Weird, right?

  • July 14, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    11ZOMBIES

    by StrokerX

    Love The Devils Backbone...still my fav GDT movie..Bought it the other day to get ready for Hellboy! Too bad it's still the superior film...horrible cover art tho.<p> For Hellboy 2 they shouldve just adapted one of the comic stories like Wake The Devil or Conq Worm or Right Hand of Doom or Wolves of St. August even ! ANYTHING! sigh

  • July 14, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    That would have been cool...

    by 11ZOMBIES

    Wolves of St. August... awesome... Imagine a Hellboy film with segments of different lengths, like reading one of the collected TPBs.... We can sigh all we want, but in the end, these are the "Hellboy" movies we got. Can't wait for the inevitable "reboot" in a decade, maybe we'll get our wish.

  • July 14, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    AntoniusBloc I am worried too

    by Samus Aran

    I am so prepped and ready to hate this guy. I liked Pan's Labyrinth enough, but if people honestly think that movie proves his worthiness to direct The Hobbit, they are sorely mistaken. You are right AntoniusBloc, "Lord of the Rings" is not Peter Jackson's baby, it is Tolkien's just as the Bible is God's. I pray that Guillermo is the right man for this. He very well could be, but if he screws this one up- that's it. A tenth circle of hell should be created especially for Guillermo Del Toro just in case he creates the crap that I fear. Please be careful.

  • July 14, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Hellboy beats Dave- Thank the gods!

    by knowthyself

    Congrats Guillermo! Hellboy II out grosses the first films opening weekend AND kicks Eddie Murphies ass. Their is some justice in this world.

  • July 14, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    What silent Call of Cthulhu do you speak of?

    by DoctorWho?

    I think it's sheer folly to try to adapt Lovecraft to film...but I'll take a peek. Who dared attempt this?

  • July 14, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Guillermo is the shit

    by Rupee88

    I don't love the Hellboy films, but he is cool to make them...Pan's Labyrinth was very special of course..Blade 2 was good for a studio popcorn movie type film...haven't seen Devils Backbone or the others...but dig the guy.

  • July 14, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Saw HB2...

    by conspiracy

    Fun movie. Not Worthy of my Jizz Load as has been suggested by the prime reviewers around here...but a fun summer movie none the less. STILL..I'm not sure this guy is the right guy for Tolkien. Sure, The Hobbit is nowhere near as involved as Lord of the Rings, but Tolkien put so many small details in even this simple story that great restraint must be taken as not to miss the overall feel of the world he created. In some ways I am afraid GDT will make it nothing but Visual experience, a CGI wankfest if you will.

  • July 15, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    so guillermo is set to work for the next 20 years?

    by bacci40

    there is no way one can hate a guy so tuned in to the fans...and hb 2 was fantastic...ok, so it wasnt exactly hellboy from the comic, but it was fun

  • July 15, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    GDT is just so damn cuddly!

    by REMcycle

    I remember meeting him at the SXSW screening of Hellboy at the Paramount a few years back and he was just so friendly and laid back and ready to mix it up with his fans. We spoke for a moment about his other films and talked about how the studio hadn't even seen the film he was about to show us and you could sense his nervousness. Still, it was an inspired film and one of the best comic films made yet. I'm not sure if I trust him with The Hobbitt just yet, but can't wait to see his direction mixed with WETA's handiwork. A good time to be a fanboy, indeed!

  • July 17, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I am Quintus Arrius...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... I think... > .. yes, Indeed I am. Hail!

  • July 17, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    by Quintus_Arrius

    Yes... <P> Yes, yes indeed I am.

  • July 17, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Last!

    by morGoth

    Heh...haven't done one of these in a while. Oh yeah, all hail PJGDT...the Hobbit rocks!

  • July 17, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Sorry, HB2 was a huge disappointment

    by BeatsMe

    I liked the first one, had a nice low-key comic-book feel, and a truly scary villain. The script for this one was awful. Most bizarrely overrated film of the year.