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NEW UPDATE 1:40 PM CST USA!! So, SUPERMAN Has Now Been Offered To A Director Who Isn't Bryan Singer??

Merrick again...
So, you may've noticed a Talkback from Louis Leterrier below (or find it HERE). Some of you have asked if the post was really from Louis. It is. I know this because he contacted me via e-mail with an almost identical message, claiming that some confusion is afoot regarding what was said in yesterday's AlloCine Q&A: Louis said:
What I meant was that I had been told about a possible reinvention of Superman. Not that I was offered the job.
I don't speak French, so I can't speak authoritatively about what Louis said, or how it was said, in the chat. However, I can say that I've received multiple e-mails from readers in France, all of whom interpreted Louis' comments about being asked to direct SUPERMAN in exactly the same way. Just wanted to make sure you have all sides of the story for the moment.

Merrick again...
Frenchie sent in a brief message with more details from yesterday's Q&A with Leterrier. Leterrier was asked about his interest in multiple projects...SUPERMAN included. Frenchie says it went down like this:
Leterrier indeed says that "maybe they have already asked me" about directing Superman 2. Here's his comments about the other movies named: He'd totally direct Alien 5, in fact he's good friends with Sigourney Weaver. He'd like it to be the last movie, "bringing it full circle" He'd never do a Predator movie Spidey 4 would depend on the screenplay He wouldn't do a Narnia; not his thing. He's not too thrilled about Halo. He like the game but "meh" to a movie adaptation. Harry Potter 7: why not Indiana Jones 5: Yes if it's with Harrison Ford, no if it's with Shia. Shriek 5: No. Hulk 2: Of course... -Frenchie

"Not if it's with Shia." Funny! Huge thanks to Frenchie for the follow-up, and to Matthieu for the original message. What I really want to know now is: when they asked Louis to direct SUPERMAN, what was his answer?

Merrick here...
We've been hearing hints for a while not what Bryan Singer's SUPERMAN RETURNS sequel might take a radically different form than many of us first thought...including not having Singer on-board at all. Today, this may be closer to reality. I believe the Q&A referenced below went down yesterday; looks like the e-mail experienced a slight delay when dropping in. This is from AICN reader Matthieu...his message pretty much speaks for itself.
On Leterrier is doing right now a Q&A with fans. When one asks if he would say "YES" or "NO" to several movies, it just got interesting: "the new SUPERMAN ?" Louis answered something like this : "Funny that you mentioned Superman... because, hum, maybe they asked me...." If you want me to translate the whole video, just ask.... Matthieu
Hmmmmm. Is Leterrier (who brought us THE INCREDIBLE HULK) the director/associate recently alluded to by WANTED's Mark Millar, who is angling to set-up his own SUPERMAN project? Or, are the Leterrier discussions happening outside of (and are therefore unrelated to) Millar's endeavor? This may all be unconnected to Millar's pitch...Leterrier is already remaking CLASH OF THE TITANS at Warner Bros., so his being courted for other Warner properties would be both natural and logical. I haven't been able to locate a transcript of the chat mentioned by Matthieu, and I don't speak French. If anyone out there can confirm any of this (i.e. by offering more details from the chat, or by other means), please drop me a line! More on this as more comes in...

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  • July 10, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

  • July 10, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    who cares

    by Uridium

    I saw the last superman, totally killed the franchise.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Superman Needs new Director

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Singer Jumped the kyptonite canyon on last movie

  • July 10, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Why can't you stupid cunts see how great Superman Returns and Ang Lee's Hulk are? Shit begets shit.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    So is he now the go-to guy to salvage franchises?

    by tonagan

    Next up, Howard the Duck.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    It is difficult to

    by Diagnostic

    not like Louis.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    So are you saying NO Brian Singer?!?!?!

    by Cotton McKnight

    Thank the maker!!!! You know, that stupid movie has been playing on Cinemax constantly and it's even worse than I remembered. Get rid of Brandon Routh while you're at it. Seriously. Has that guy been in anything else since? Is he even an actor?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    The first half hour of the new Superman movie

    by ingloriousjedi

    Should take place on Krypton, with Kal-el on some mission there, that would be cool.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    When the World is Ready

    by BeyondStatic

    When the world is ready for Superman, he will reappear (he is biblical afterall). The time was right for "Superman: The Movie". The time was NOT right for "Superman Returns". The time is not right now. We are not ready.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    New Director

    by MrDuke118

    Fuck it. Just give it to Nolan. Then let Bale be Batman in it. That would be awesome. I know it aint gonna happen but a man can dream

  • July 10, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Good Hopefully Singer Directs another Marvel Film

    by ganymede3010

    Come on Brian, come back home, Marvel > DC.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    I remember when Superman Returns came out

    by ingloriousjedi

    They had trailers with hard rock music, trying to sell the movie as not being gay..

  • July 10, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Woe Be...

    by frongbak

    The director who is too earnest for his own good, RIP to Singer's Superman. Let the French dude who makes everything "blow up in a fun way" direct it. Whatever...

  • July 10, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk May Not Spawn a Sequel

    by california_mtz

    The Incredible Hulk is a GREAT film! If you haven't seen it, SEE it! If you have, SEE it again! Unfortunately, Universal COMPLETELY dropped the ball on marketing for this film after it was released. It placed second its first weekend and was getting great reviews. Were there ANY commercials regarding "The #1 Action Movie in America" (first place went to a comedy)? No! Were there ANY commercials showing people coming out of the theater showing the audiences reactions and talking about how great the movie was and how much fun they had watching it? No! These things were needed after Ang Lee's version left such a bad taste in people's mouths. Anyone should have known that such a marketing campaign was necessary to overcome the prior negative association people had with Mr. Lee's version. I knew this and I'm not in marketing! How the heck could anyone who works in marketing at Universal or Marvel not have known this?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Force Nolan by gun point to do it.

    by Diagnostic

    Film the whole thing in IMAX 3d.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Bring back...

    by TraumReiter

    ...Singer! I love Superman Returns and we all know Singer can make sequels that are better than the original.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns...

    by Sailor Rip

    ...did have it's problems(the largest being a bloated 3rd act) but I still enjoyed and giving Singer's promise to go all "Wraith of Khan" with the sequel I wouldn't mind seeing him return. But, I wouldn't mind seeing a nother quality director given a shot it's just that Singer has already broken his Man of Steel cherry so I believe him when he says he would make the Superman sequel that fans would like to see. <p> Either way, the world needs more Superman movies.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    New Director

    by Henry_Krinkle_from_FairLawn

    Just bring back Burton and let him do Superman Lives, might as well. This franchise is dead. Not even Nolan could bring it back to any kind of relevance or interest. Singer ruined 2 franchises by screwing Fox to go to Warners.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Too Bad Singer didn't stick with X3

    by california_mtz

    Cuz X3 sucked with Ratner and Superman Returns sucked with Singer. Has anyone else besides the Watcher contemplated has wrong the universe veered with the one single decision of Singer moving away from X3 to SR?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    "Give it to Nolan"????????

    by Sailor Rip

    A dark angsty Superman with no action. Is that what you want?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred not think Hulk terrible, but it was pedestrian. It did have great fight between Hulk and Abomination. Fred not think Letterier be good choice, unless they decide on just a slugfest between Superman and Doomsday, or someone like that, but he better than Singer. Singer has become too pretentious.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Ugh ugh ugh!

    by BackStJoe

    Superman Returns is a cinematic MASTERPEICE. To give the sequel to anyone but Singer is a disgrace.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    If Nolan directed Superman...

    by ingloriousjedi

    He would make sure a script was developed where the character of Kal-El decides that the original blue and red Superman suit was giving the criminals of Metropolis that he wasn't hard edge enough. So Kal-El redesigns the suit as being all black with a silver/grey 'S'. And I would be all for that.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    maybe 'clash of the titans'


    is just code for a batman/superman crossover, or a superman/doomsday flick?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Give Superman to Michael Bay!

    by ganymede3010

    Hell, I'll bet that movie won't lack the heart pounding action..

  • July 10, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    "Marvel Studios and "Iron Man" director Jon Favreau have apparently reached a deal for him to helm the sequel due out in 2010 reports Deadline Hollywood Daily."

  • July 10, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred thanks you for advice.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Myeh. Makes sense.

    by Aznbuddy

    At least he will make a Superman that will hit things.<br><br>And not just catch, melt, carry, fly and stalk things.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Superman movies need action


    Not love stories. Sure you need to connect to a character, but how many people are going to connect to Superman anyway, regardless of how human his love life is?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    So the guy who couldn't even beat Ang Lee's...

    by Kid Z

    ...Hulk box office is the perfect guy to take over the Superman franchise??? Typical Hollywood coke-think.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    See Freds name.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Should hire the guys that did those fan movies.

    by Uncapie

    They did an fantasic job and know the characters. You know the ones that I'm talking about; the Superman/Batman and Greyson trailers that everyone's seen. But, no, stupidity prevails as they have to hire who's "hawt" or "kwell" at the moment instead of passionate people who understand the material. Favereau understood Ironman and knew what the audience wanted. He delivered the goods. To have him not direct the sequel would be like killing the golden goose. Raimi understood the first two Spiderman's(Lost trak in the third.). You need directors like this at the helm and Superman/Batman, Greyson guys would be perfect.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Mark Millar is a nororious publicity whore...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...who has never been above blatantly lying in order to try and drum up publicity and make things happen in his favour, so until I hear something from someone a little more trustworthy I'll keep filing this one under "probable bullshit".

  • July 10, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Just watched the Q&A - he did say that BUT

    by SpencerTrilby

    his "maybe I've been offered it" sounds like he doesn't even know exactly about it, in a "my agent had a phone call, can't be sure" way. I wouldn't bet the Kent farm on it, from the tone of his voice it sounds like self-promotional name-dropping more than a real commitment.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Fair enough - Singer dug his own grave

    by Mullah Omar

    SUPERMAN RETURNS was okay at best. For my tastes it was very slow and the plot was pretty lame. If this happens, Singer has himself to blame for getting the boot. The guy has done other good work, but I don't see why he should get a second chance at SUPERMAN after bungling his first try. This isn't film school.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • July 10, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    A skinny bald headed dude and real estate swindle

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    That make for exciting Superman movie. <p> In Bizarro universe.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    "How the heck could anyone who works in marketing...

    by Kid Z Universal or Marvel not have known this?" I used to work in Marketing and the answer is... uh...cocaine!

  • July 10, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST



    Totally agree. Singer managed to assfuck 2 franchises with the one thrust. Superman Returns was such a dull, disappointing misfire. Everything about it was wrong. it even LOOKED wrong. They shot it digitally with a Canon camera and it looked like shit. It was too dark, de-saturated and the skin tones had a weird orange/yellow hue to them. Superman should be bright and colorful, not look like an indie art film. And Kate Bosworth? Quite possibly the worst casting choice in cinema history. I actually thought Routh did what he could. Singer's to blame here. His head was so far up Richard Donner's ass, he had no unique vision. It's ultimately just a poor rehash of Superman : The Movie. What a waste of time.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay + Superman!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!

    by Seth Brundle

    Superman needs more fuckin explosions, violence and destruction, fuck...even the Hulk had the abomination to smash into tomorrow, poor supes has no one to withstand one of his punches , im fuckin serious, give this one to Michael Bay so we finally see Superman destroying shit!!!

  • July 10, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Give it to Uwe Boll!

    by nam0krut

    Even he could do a better job than the Turd Sandwich that was Superman Returns!

  • July 10, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Anyone but Singer

    by fiester

    Superman Returns was pure shit sandwich. Just dreadful.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I don't mind...

    by jasper Stillwell

    Singer being taken off the project but giving it to Louis Letterier? Jeesus the guy's an elevated TV movie director. This should be Nolan, Cameron, Scott-sized - someone with a vision. Hulk was OK but not what you'd call a quality film, it's saving grace was that it just wasn't quite as bad as everyone thought it would be. When you're getting average performances from the likes of Roth, Norton and Hurt then you know you're dealing with a mediocre talent.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Rachel McAdams for Lois Lane

    by Mr. Profit

    Also The Wachowski's for the "Captain America" movie.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Superman Vs Doomsday


    The best Superman comic i ever read was when they killed him off Just fucking do it already, kill superman at the end, and then set up the sequel with the 4 people claiming to be superman (fucking get shaq back as steel i don't care) Doomsday and Supes fighting, bring in other super heros to help i don't give a shit. make it a massive battle with a big path of destruction all the way to metropolis, and a final show down. AND KILL HIM

  • July 10, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Warners don't want Singer

    by Darth Fart

    Warners were not happy with SR.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Hulk vs Incredible Hulk

    by Mr. Profit

    The original Hulk grossed 245 Worldwide and was considered a creative failure. The new Hulk grossed 221 worldwide (so far). It's still making money. And it might end up making just as much as the original. No easy feat considering it was a sequel no one wanted to see and no one expected to do well. So Leterrier is getting jobs is not "Hollywood Coke" thinking.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    How was Singer allowed to make Returns??

    by performingmonkey

    As soon as the studio realised he was just gonna make a sucky version of the Donner movie they should have stopped him. Hell, maybe Abrams's crazy Luthor-is-Kryptonian vision would have been better!

  • July 10, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    The Incredible Hulk was number 1 at the box office. And Universal did a good job of marketing it. Even though they revealed the Tony Stark cameo in the trailer they did their thing and it paid off.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    I agree. Abrams script wasn't as bad as what eventually became of "Superman Returns". With some editing to make it truer to the source material, it could have been the movie we wanted to see. I for one (as much as I love 1 and 2) did not want to see a 2 hour Richard Donner love fest. If they just removed the stupid FBI angle and the Lex as alien crap. Everything else was actually quite decent.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    if Singer does Superman again - its liek Lee doing Hulk again

    by Jugdish

    Bad idea- just get rid of Singer...why give him a second shot- He fucked it all up the first time. Why would you have Lee do the hulk again? It makes no sense

  • July 10, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    They should give Singer another shot.

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    X2 anyone?

  • July 10, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Abrams' Script

    by Mosquito March

    I think Abrams' script was just a first draft. I have a feeling the FBI/alien Lex thing would have been cut out after one or two more drafts anyway.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Singer almost single handedly invented the modern comic book mov

    by smudgewhat

    X-Men 1 was the model for how you make cartoony costumed freaks in spandex into actual human beings. so let's give the guy his due. i thought Superman Returns was an intriguing take on the character - it explored what it would really be like for a god to walk among men. i think he should get a shot at a more action-packed #2.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk & Universal

    by california_mtz

    Universal & Marvel did a great job marketing The Incredible Hulk -- up until its release. Then, everything stopped. Even all comic & movie websites, including AICN, completely dropped the movie from coverage! There were very little follow-up articles or promo pieces once the movie opened save for a few articles on some site about the Captain America cameo. There should have been a well-planned campaign to overcome the lingering negative public perception of this franchise as caused by Ang Lee's Hulk and that did not happen. This was unfortunate and it's too bad that someone who's job it is to think about these things didn't think about it. The Incredible Hulk is well-deserving of a future franchise.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Yeah but the first X Men was just underwhelming.

    by Cotton McKnight

    It was "okay". Not an abomination like Superman Returns. The problem with letting Bryan Singer do the sequel is that he would bring back all the garbage that made the first one so awful: Superman leaving for 5 years (wtf??), Lois Lane having his kid, winning a pullitzer for an article on why nobody needs Superman, Superman being a stalker.. you know, "all that stuff". I absolutely hate that movie and I would NEVER see a Superman movie with his name attached again. Surely I can't be the only one out there.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I agree about the Incredible Hulk.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I usually think that kind of marketing is corny but it would have actually worked with this movie. They needed to have one of those commercials where people are leaving the theater and talking about how great it was. Little kids saying it was "awesome" or whatever little kids say these days. Having 2-30 something year old guys saying they have never seen a Hulk like this, Edward Norton is cool, whatever. And it would have really done well to have the "number one action movie in america" commercial. It's a shame, because it really does deserve to be a franchise. My favorite movie of the year so far.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Profit

    I still contend that Universal did their jobs, especially since they just handled the distribution of the movie. The opening weekend gross alone was a shock based on the negative impression the original left behind. Don't worry about a sequel NOT happening, because it will. Universal was happy with the reboot. I'm sure the DVD sales will be strong and capture anyone who stayed home when it was in theatrical release. <P>Also the promotional tie in's this time were realistic (Hulk shilling for GNC health products throughout the month of June and July). I think they did what needed to be done to make the movie a success.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Not Excited About A Superman Sequel


    And I can sum it up in two words: "Kate Bosworth" . . . Kate Beckinsale, on the other hand . . . now there's a credible Lois Lane.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Cool! No Singer = Possibility For GOOD Superman Movie

    by LaserPants

    Singer needs to get off the coke, malaysian adolescent boy prostitutes, and his own raging emo martyr complex before he is allowed within 500 feet of anything related to film-making. Superman Returns was an unmitigated disaster of near Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and/or Catwoman proportions.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    The new Hulk film...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...was quite good, entertaining in parts however I thought was as flawed as Ang Lee's film. With regards to Superman they need a director with a real vision, Singer made a beautiful looking film with some excellent bits, but was really just channeling Donner and all of the bits that worked were inspired from him- same with the soundtrack. New film, keep Routh, Spacey and Bosworth can fuck off, and ensure the character looks to the future rather than the past.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    A Leterrier Hulk Sequel Has Strong Potential


    To outperform The Incredible Hulk at the box office. Give The Incredible Hulk time to pick up fans on DVD, HBO, and perhaps network TV and a sequel will perform strongly, assuming it's not recast because Norton was unhappy with the final cut.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Alright, fuck all those other projects.

    by Sailor Rip

    ALIEN 5 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 10, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Hire Geoff Johns To Write The Script

    by LaserPants

    You want your critical acclaim, fan love, and box office blockbuster explosion of cashola? Hire Geoff Johns to write the script, get a competant director to shoot it, sit back and watch the money roll in.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns got more right than wrong

    by TheLastCleric

    The kid was a shit idea and Lex’s plot was ridiculous (Though no worse than his plot in Donner’s Original) but overall I really loved the whole messiah theme in SR. I thought Routh did a fantastic job and some of the action scenes, like the plane rescue and Supes walking right into a mini-gun, were brilliant. I think Singer has been given far too much shit for his mistakes and denied praise for what he got right. I think SR is as good as the original, if not nearly as seminal.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST


    by Mike_D


  • July 10, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Superman Vs. Batman


    Directed by Chris Nolan. Let's stop beating around the bush.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Sigourney said she would only do Alien 5 for Ridley Scott

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>...and ONLY Ridley Scott. otherwise she said there's no way she would do a fifth one<br><Br>

  • July 10, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Docbrowneye

  • July 10, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    What they really need is a new Lois

    by CherryValance

    I was thinking Robin Tunney would be good. But yeah, maybe they should get a new director. I like Bryan Singer but Returns was all wrong, except for Routh. As long as they keep Routh, it's cool.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    What to do with Superman

    by Uninformed

    Seldom post but Supes is one of my favorite topics. Why can't DC get its act together with any property other than Batman? Is it because only the "human model" archetype works? Is it because the other heroes only emulate humanity and really cannot embrace it? Not sure. Superman has always been one of my favorite characters, and usually done poorly. Sad that SIII and IV were made. Even sadder that Returns was made. The sense of discovery, exploration and wonder in the Donner Superman movie may never be created again. I don't know if it is possible. Honestly I think they should take a long break off this character as DC/Warner has no clue what to do with it either to make it popular or a successful movie.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Superman Wouldn't Work In The Nolanverse

    by LaserPants

    Yes, thats right, he owns a universe now. But seriously, it wouldn't. If they do a Batman and Superman movie, it would have to be a completely different cast and set of rules; something more cartoon-y, less realistic.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Can anyone explain the bet or something those two had about the first Superman film? I can't seem to find anything about it except one sentence on Comic book database.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns

    by MrDuke118

    The main prob I had with it was the fact that they spent so much time giving a reach around to the Donner films. I personally feel they should have started from scratch. You know what fuck that. Superman vs Batman would be fucking great. The image of Superman taking out two bad guys then spotting Batman in the shadows....that gives me the horn

  • July 10, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    There Are Only Two Alien Movies -- Alien and Aliens

    by LaserPants

    I've heard rumors of other films, but they are unfounded. Nobody could be stupid enough to fuck up that franchise could they? Like by, say, making the 3rd installment a raging bummer, and the 4th one a steaming pile of goofy ass shit, or pairing up the Alien with another dying space monster franchise and turning it into a generic teen slasher thing would they? Would anyone be that stupid?

  • July 10, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    French? All you need to know is Omelet du Fromage!

    by Squashua

    Thanks, Steve Martin!

  • July 10, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Superman vs Batman vs Aliens vs Predator vs Robocop vs Terminato

    by LaserPants

    Theres all kinds of possibilities for really shitty movies.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns

    by Adelai Niska

    Was bloated and took its time, but I don't get the outright hate for that movie. The airplane catch was awesome and Routh was pretty great. (Bosworth sucked and they shouldn't have stuck with DOnner's Luthor, for sure) Lets not forget that Donner's Superman didn't punch anyone either (until the second movie). Anyway, here's hoping the new movie has Lexcorp, a busty Lois, and a villain Supes can punch. Hows about calling it "The Man of Steel" and have the baddie be metallo?

  • July 10, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    So Leterrier delivers a passable Hulk movie...

    by Chishu_Ryu now let's give the Frenchman every major movie franchise on the planet. In fact, hive him the next Star Wars trilogy...

  • July 10, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST


    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Donner's plot in original was boring too. It was epic in scale, but that not overcome lack of true villain that could imperil superman. Superman II, got off to slow start, but picked up during battle.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Cause The Donner Movies Sucked Too

    by LaserPants

    Great score by John Williams. Great art design for Krypton. Spooky Phantom Zone. Everything else? Meh. At best.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Alien 5..

    by Autodidact

    .. MUST NOT HAVE RIPLEY IN IT. That is all.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    He Made Time, On Earth, Go Backwards

    by LaserPants

    So, what happened to the rest of the universe? It just stood and watched? And why wasn't the Earth torn asunder killing everyone instead of re-writing the rules of quantum physics and space time itself? D-U-M-B.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    "no if it's with Shia"

    by Aeghast

    Oh I'm a big Leterrier fan now :)))

  • July 10, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    I hear thats the working title for part 36.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Reboot Alien, Hire Uwe Boll and Bryan Singer, PG Rating

    by LaserPants

    Yay! (Sarcasm.)

  • July 10, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Brett_FlashJ

    I really wish we could see a Singer Superman movie without the slavish devotion to Donner's movie. This choice doesn't really work for me. But maybe he can pull it off if it happens. Here's hoping.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Time did not go backwards

    by Autodidact

    Superman did not make time go backwards. He flew faster than light and travelled back in time. We see the Earth rotate backwards because we're seeing him move backwards in time. <p> It's still a stupid ending but it drives me crazy that people look at it that way.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Half of Superman Returns

    by Series7

    Was Routh and Boseworth starring at each other.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Bosworth Has A Cute Face, Though

    by LaserPants

    can't act, has the body of a starving 10 year old boy, but, come on, she has a really pretty face. If she ate some food some day she might start looking all hot and stuff.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Superman needs to be shaken up

    by TVguy4566

    No Singer and his homage to Donner's original. No Routh playing Christopher Reeves playing Superman. No miscast Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane. No kid with superpowers. No Kevin Spacey. No Kumar. No whacky evil sidekicks in general.<br><br> The Superman character is too whitebread in general for today's audiences. No one wants the boy scout superhero anymore. They want them either dark (Batman) or flawed (Iron Man). Cloning Donner's original (which was great) was the wrong move for Singer.<br><br> They don't need a complete reboot for Superman, but they do need to change the direction and tone. If you are going to keep the boyscout Superman, you gotta amp up the action. Or at least go in the direction that the comics have gone in the past where Superman's boy scout attitude gets in the way of him doing good because he blindly follows the wrong leaders. <br><br> I can't see this news being anything but good for the franchise.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    i can't believe it

    by Norm3

    They are going to reboot this again. SR was a good movie. Routh was great. All they needed was a Supervillain. I guess they are regretting the Kid. Well those studio asses should have nixed that part. The plot could have been better but otherwise I liked it.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    give Singer a second chance, it worked with X-Men

    by newc0253

    The original X-Men was only okay, whereas X2 was great. Singer's a good enough director to know where he messed up & how to fix it.<p> Leterrier's Hulk was good but he sounds a little giddy. I might be more circumspect in his position, you don't want to sound like an ass.<p>

  • July 10, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    What do you call it

    by Darth Busey

    When the reboot needs an immediate reboot?

  • July 10, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Boyscout Superman Could Work Today

    by LaserPants

    But he's got to face a god-level, apocalyptic threat that makes you wish there was a Superman. Like the villain has to be so powerful and so evil, that people will thrill to the idea of a boy scout god hero to come and save us. Otherwise, fucking forget it. <br><br>In other words, real estate scams are not a god-level threat. Unless, of course, it has something to do with sub-prime mortgage lending on kryptonite land masses resulting in a deepening recession already at the critical level due to an obscenely expensive Endless War fought on false pretenses. Btw, off topic, but why haven't Bush and Cheney been impeached and thrown in prison yet? Sounds like a job for Superman!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I don't get how people trash

    by TVguy4566

    Singer for basically copying Donner and praise Routh for basically playing Christopher Reeves and not Superman/Clark Kent. Routh brought nothing original to his performance and just copied Reeves' speech patterns and mannerisms. Even when Ewan MacGregor copied Alec Guniess' mannerisms and speach patters in the Star Wars prequels, he actually brought some originality to the Obi Wan role. <br><br> Routh should star in the Christopher Reeves bio pic, but I don't know if he should star in another Superman movie. His impressions of Reeves were even distracting at times in that movie.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Yeah, But XMen Was Good, SR Was Awful

    by LaserPants

    XMen gave us a good taste, and left us wanting more. SR was just bad. I didn't walk out of the theatre wondering what could happen next, but hoping they reboot the whole thing and start from scratch. SR was a disaster.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Couldn't read all the Blah Blah Blah

    by EightiesBaby

    BUT I am glad that hack Singer got the boot. He is a horrible director. In fact he needs to direct Beverly Hills 90210 because that's what X Men and Supes felt like, bad soap operas.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    As long as Brandon Routh plays Supes I dont care where it goes.

    by Redfive!

    If they change actors i wont go see it.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    *Clap* *Clap* *Clap* *Clap* Impeach those traitors to America!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    he hates shia, therefore, he is a god

    by bacci40

    nuff said

  • July 10, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Oh Sweet Lord Christ...

    by JustThisGuy

    Incredible Hulk was passable at best, a movie that left me cold and bored in the theater. Much of that was due to the directing. I swear, if I have to see a Superman movie where the payoff is an obviously CGI Supes vs an obviously CGI villain in an obviously CGI Metropolis, and all of it poorly framed to boot, I will make sure I can spread enough bad word of mouth to ensure I sizeable hit in box office. I've heard that Millar wants to make make Superman "fresh" and "edgy". Superman isn't meant to be either of those things. That's the fucking point. What are we going to get? Superman with a drinking problem? Superman who is tempted with his power and joins the bad guys? Superman abusing Lois? How about action? Superman using "superkryptonian" guns that have bullets that can curve through, not only space, but time as well? Pass.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Doesn't That Make Us All Gods, Then?

    by LaserPants

    If hating Shia is a pre-requisite for god-hood, you gotta lotta gods all up in his bitch. Actually, I don't hate the kid, so that must make me a demon! Like.. THE BATMAN ON FEAR TOXIN!!! AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Problem with Shia

    by DaBUU

    I also dont hate Shitty The Beef all that much. My problem with his acting is hes pretty much pulling a Will Smith in all his movies. He doesn't act, in all his movies he's always Shia just with a different character name

  • July 10, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Ron Jeremy IS the Man of Steel!!!

    by BNITT

  • July 10, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by vanman009

    Thats All!!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns wasn't flawed.

    by I Hope You Die

    It was just straight awful. I submit that it would take a great act of creative genius to reboot this franchise.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Superman Stalks Lois

    by DaBUU

    On top of all of that Lois was a whore. Sorry Cyclops, but my old fuck friend is back, see ya!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns didn't connect with people

    by darthvedder81

    I loved it and found it the best entertainment of 2006. That said I can see why it didn't connect with people. It was not the usual whizz-bang action superhero spectacle 21st audiences expect to see released every other summer weekend. It was a more character driven, slower paced story with the mythic elements of the hero emphasized--which is exactly why I liked it. It also had distinctly period elements to it (the production design looked right out of the 40's cartoon). Period movies like that mostly don't work for the multiplex masses anymore as anything older than 2000 is considered mostly lame.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by CherryValance

    I really don't think most people have a problem with the things in Superman Returns that were close to the Donner films. I think it was the other crap like Kryptonite Island and the kid that caused most of the problems. But the fact is they could have done anything they wanted and they chose to half remake it and then add wacky shit for no apparent reason. Also when you think about it Superman Returns had very little Superman in it. That's not Routh's fault, so I don't see what he could have added to it. Singer's mistake, imo, was trying to straddle the past and the future. He should have just chosen one.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Sigourney Weaver...

    by emeraldboy

    said last year that the alien franchise was dead. as far as she was concerned and if it wasnt dead she wouldnt be in it. She said that she wouldnt be involved in the ghostbusters game.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST


    by godhelpus

    is being offered Superman? The Hulk sucked.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    "Wrath of Khan" it!!!

    by JohnnyGato

    Damn! Singer did say he would "Wrath of Khan" the next Supes film. I for one would like to see what he has in mind before I give it to anyone else.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Character Driven?

    by LaserPants

    Yup. Turns out Superman is actually a creepy stalker metro-sexual, Lois is kind of a whore with the body of a starving 10 year old boy, and Lex Luthor can't help but pull another real-estate scam to defeat a god hero. So, sure its character driven, poorly, into the ground.<br><br> Batman Begins, Spiderman 1&2, XMen 1&2 were also all strongly character driven films in addition to being action-tastic. You don't have to boring, contrived, and maudlin to be character driven.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    A Singer Sequel would HAVE to deal with the kid

    by EriamJH

    ...and that just begs more soap opera B.S. that would HAVE to tie into the first Singer superman movie... which would bring back the boredom.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    They need to reboot Supes

    by m_reporter

    Seriously, not sure if they need a origin story, but rebooting might be the way to go.<p> I don't know if a origin story would be a great idea, because the Donner film did so many things right, but they could give it a shot, maybe with setting up braniac for the sequel.<p> Superman is a hero made for the big screen, I have no idea how Singer could screw it up so much in Superman Returns. I mean, you got a hero that can do incredible things and what do you do? Make him carry a huge rock. Fucking awesome...

  • July 10, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Warner Brothers hates gays

    by scudd

    That's the real reason they're giving it to someone else.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    what about Buckaroo Banzai!!!!

    by irrelevntelefant

    been waiting on that sequel for over 20 years!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Why Superman Fails


    1. No one can match him. 2. No one can fight him, without the assistance of kryptonite (which is lame now a-days). 3. Lex Luthor is always the bad guy. 4. Fuck the original movies they had there time period no reason to resurrect them now. 5. being stalker-ish and breaking an entering into Lois's house at the end of returns isn't cool. 6. No one really gives a shit if he has a son, now we have 2 people who can't be touched by anything.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Good! Get rid of Singer...

    by Kid Z

    ...and his "Hollywood Gay Men's Choir" casting choices. Let's see an action-packed Supes movie with Zod or (if only) Darkseid as the villain. And for chrissakes and actress with personality as Lois Lane instead of an emaciated little twat who was probably Singer's ideal woman archetype... the girl he wished he could be (guy's obviously a "catcher").

  • July 10, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    darthvedder81's comments...

    by TTMan

    ...are the most intelligent and logical yet posted on this board.' All you haters out there are NEVER satisfied. If you fat, socially inept nerds were placed in the middle of a Jessica Alba/Scarlett Johannson/Natalie Portman/Katie Holmes orgy, you would complain that Katie Holmes ruined BATMAN BEGINS for you.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    And I wish....

    by DaBUU

    Bryan Singer wasn't gay, then maybe Superman wouldn't of been gay too (not that theres anything wrong with it)

  • July 10, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk & Universal continued

    by oblivious1972

    I have to agree, The Incredible Hulk was being advertising reasonably well until it opened when Universal suddenly seemed to give up on it. Hell, I’ve seen ten times more advertisements for Iron Man in the last few weeks, a film that came out over a month earlier and is reaching the end of its theatrical run. The Hulk performed as expected in its opening weekend but riding on the back of the Lee Hulk movie there really needed to be a conscientious push to get people to see this was a different type of film. Even now I’ve heard of people who won’t go and watch it because they felt so burned by Lee’s version. Still I am still hopeful of a sequel, it will defiantly take more that Lee’s version in the next few days plus it hasn’t opened in Germany and Japan yet; two of the biggest markets outside of the US.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Superman Returns was FANTASTIC!

    by Racer Z

    And I'd hardly call The Incredible Hulk a success. This isn't exactly good news to me. I really want to see what Bryan Singer would do with another Superman film. But it looks like most of you bottle suckers are going to get your wish.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Get Donner back to direct...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Hire a top notch comic book writer with little movie experience (so he has no ego or bad habits), and get Michael Giacchino to score. Keep Routh and Spacey, lose Bosworth and hire Rose Byrne. Have Superman destroy a large asteroid at the beginning of the movie for that Raiders of the Lost Ark-esque exciting opening hook. Yes, Superman can punch the asteroid. Insta-win!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Warner's does not "hate gays"...

    by Kid Z

    ...they just hate whiny, faggy little emo bitches who ruin their franchises before they even get a start.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Superman: Birthright

    by fat bears

    That's the template for your reboot, right there. That story updates everything, and everyone, that's important about Superman. Lex is a respectable villain, Lois is tough, the Kents are alive and Martha is watching the skies for more alien visitors... If the franchise gets a kick in the butt that'd be the place to start.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Maybe Michael Bay can reboot!

    by DaBUU

    Just fuckin with ya's!

  • July 10, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Letterier is likely full of shit.

    by Dragon Man

    He likes to stir things up and says things that may or may not be true. Case in point: He said in an interview with G4 that Captain America would be seen in the Hulk movie but as we all know was not the case. Then he says it got cut out but he assures will be included on the DVD. Cut to Gale Ann Hurd the producer who says she doesn't know what he's talking about, that there was no Cap in Hulk. The guy talks out of his ass on a regular basis to get heat.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    From Louis

    by Louis Leterrier

    Hey Merrick, What I meant was that I had been told about a possible reinvention of Superman. Not that I was offered the job. I'm doing CLASH and loving it. Thanks. Louis.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    From EMPIRE magazine

    by TTMan

    With the inspired appropriation of John Williams’ majestic 1978 theme music raising acres of gooseflesh, Superman flies again, bringing mankind what Marlon Brando’s Jor-El called "the light to show the way". Like the flag-waving hero of Richard Donner’s Superman movies, the boy from Krypton comes bathed in nostalgia, reverence and oodles of religious symbolism. The result is that most beatific of superhero’s most magnificent screen incarnation yet. Bryan Singer is a besotted man, with a determination that Superman belongs to the movies. Amongst the visual razzmatazz, those dreamy effects and gilded edges, he references Casablanca, Close Encounters, Citizen Kane and Titanic, films in the widest possible sense. If Steven Spielberg were to have made a Superman movie, it would surely have this sense of wonder, exaltation and romance. The story loosely follows on from Superman II, with Lois Lane’s memory of his true identity wiped by a kiss. Singer stays fully in touch with the heartache that murmurs beneath that iconic blue suit — the idea that our hero’s divine nature acts as a barrier to love. Clark’s unrequited love for Lois and her crush on Superman are the soul of the story, far more central, say, than the mind-blowing action sequences clamouring for your attention. This may confound those just looking for a regular can of fizzy action juice, but will taste like fine wine to the growing legion of Singer fans who admire his dedication to adding emotional weight to summer thrills. The news that Lois is the mother of a five year-old boy and engaged to newcomer Richard White (James Marsden) sends the Man Of Steel into meltdown, the unfolding emotional conflict steering the movie. While such sentimental concerns could become cloying, Singer, as with his X-Mens, finds the perfect middle way to explore the conflict within his characters. Kate Bosworth brings an eager intensity to the star reporter; even though she lacks the world-weary wryness of Margot Kidder, she fully evokes Lane’s conflict and tough exterior. But the greatest victory is Brandon Routh. The resemblance between Routh and Christopher Reeve is uncanny (when he first turns around as Clark Kent, you’d swear it was 1978) and, while proving every bit as wholesomely heroic, Routh even adds his own melancholic touch. Singer has built a larger, worldwide arena here: Superman traverses the globe, not just the US, in his fight for "truth and justice…" (references to the "American way" are conspicuously absent), and consequently Spacey’s eloquent Lex Luthor is a further-thinking and far crueller customer than Gene Hackman’s. His diabolic and rather complicated masterplan is inevitably fuelled by shards of that dreaded green kryptonite, while Parker Posey’s moll makes delightfully dimwitted fun of his megalomania. And such dastardly deeds do, naturally, furnish the movie with a series of breathtaking action sequences. While symbolically carrying the world on his shoulders, he literally carries continents across his broad back. More than that, though, Singer realises it isn’t enough to believe a man can fly; these are flights of emotional expression, exhilarating in their sense of freedom set against rapturous skylines. Indeed, the film floats in a preposterous, magical America forever bathed in golden light. Singer has reinvigorated an American icon, with a film that sits happily in the upper tiers of Superman’s grand pantheon. Verdict It’s all about heart — not that the spectacle falters; this is the finest popular entertainment since the Rings trilogy closed. Superman doesn’t fly — he soars. Reviewer: Ian Nathan

  • July 10, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    From eCritic

    by TTMan

    After reading both glowingly positive and scathingly negative reviews for SUPERMAN RETURNS, I decided to do something I rarely do with a major summer blockbuster – I went into the theater with zero expectations either way. What I left with was one of the most magical cinematic experiences I’ve had in a long time (and after nearly forty years and hundreds of movie reviews, very little strikes me as magical these days). Much in the way that Christopher Nolan (BATMAN BEGINS) decided to “reboot” the BATMAN franchise and start over by giving us a film we could take seriously after the overly-campy Tim Burton films and the just-plain-stupid Joel Schumacher entries, Bryan Singer (X-MEN) chooses to eschew the regrettable and forgettable third and fourth installments of the most recent SUPERMAN franchise (something that I wish would also be done with ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION . . . but I digress). But rather than start from scratch (and really what would be more dull and pointless than another “origin of Superman” film?), he simply made SUPERMAN RETURNS the spiritual successor of Richard Donner’s first two films (inarguably the best of the series, if not all time). Set five years after the events of SUPERMAN 2, we see the Man O’ Steel (Brandon Routh) returning from his five year round-trip to the dead planet of Krypton. Having found no signs of life, he returns home, crash-landing a crystal-shaped spaceship in Ma Kent’s back Forty and emerging to declare that he is the last one left of his kind. (And it is at this point where many have already chosen to begin their nitpicks about the nature and origin of the ship he arrives in – to which I can only respond “Who gives a flying fuck?” I would assume the ship was built by the same kind of mysterious crystal technology that built everything else in Superman’s arctic hideaway. End of subject and on to more important things). But while Superman has been off searching for his roots, a couple of very significant things have happened in the world he left behind. Lois Lane (Kate Bosworth) has moved on, having written a Pulitzer Prize-winning article entitled “Why The World Doesn’t Need Superman” in his absence (Hell hath no fury . . .) and started a family with fiancée’ Richard White (James Marsden). Meanwhile, Lex Luthor has been released from prison on parole due to a legal technicality and, having swindled a rich old widow out of her fortune, now has the financial wherewithal to pursue his latest scheme – a scheme involving pilfered Kryptonian crystal technology from Superman’s Fortress of Solitude. Using the stolen crystals, he plans to “build” a new continent – one that will eventually absorb and inundate the United States, but that the rest of the world will presumably line up to buy an expensive piece of land on. That the plan is dangerously dumb and half-baked is another point of contention among the nitpickers – but hey, is it any more ludicrous than his plan to use stolen nukes detonated on fault lines to sink California into the sea? (his half-baked plan from the first SUPERMAN film). Besides, this is Lex Luthor we’re talking about – not the most mentally stable of arch-nemeses. The only thing more out-of -control than his greedy ambition is the hate-on he has for his old rival, the boy in Red and Blue. When Superman finally springs back into action for the first time in five years, it takes place a good 30 to 40 minutes into the film – much like the original SUPERMAN took its time to get to that first close-up of a shirt being ripped opened to reveal the Super-symbol underneath. And just as it was in that movie, this first action sequence is well worth the wait. When a plane that Lois is on plummets toward the earth, Superman blazes to the rescue in the first of several brilliantly staged action sequences. And this is the third point of contention that many have had with the film – “There’s not enough action!” I would contend the opposite – there is just the right amount of action. Since there are no super-villains in this film (but oh, I can’t wait for the next one), many might be let down by the lack of big super-battles or a huge climactic super-showdown. But Singer wisely chose to avoid such trappings for now, taking the time in this film to build characters that we actually care for out of Archetypes that have been recycled many times over the last 50 years. Subsequently, most of the action involves him rescuing humans from one calamity or another, and stopping a bank robbery in one particularly fun segment that is as cool as anything seen in all three of the MATRIX films combined. But the focus is not on the action, nor is it meant to be – and to be honest, any attempt to shoehorn more action into a script already dense with character arcs and intriguing subplots would have led to action overload and quickly become a case of “Oh look, Superman caught another guy falling from a building – yawn.” Suffice it to say that what action there is in Superman is exciting, well done, and serves its purpose of punctuating, rather than dominating, the story. And the story is where the heart of SUPERMAN RETURNS lies, because from the moment that Lois and Superman lock eyes after that dazzling airplane rescue, we know that she never stopped carrying a Super-sized torch for the big guy. Like every other aspect of this film, the relationship angle between them is handled beautifully. Never overdone, never over-dramatic, it shows us a very deep love between two people who know that they cannot be together like a “normal” couple for a variety of very valid reasons. The portrayal of Richard White as a sympathetic fiancée’, generally nice guy, and a heroic individual in his own right just makes their situation that much more untenable. This is the true battle in SUPERMAN RETURNS – his struggle with his feelings for Lois that must go unrequited (for now, anyway), and with his own dual nature as a man, and a god among men. If half of the film’s strength is derived from a thoughtful script and Singer’s impeccable direction, then the other half is easily attributed to the performances that breathe life into its characters. Most pleasantly surprising of the bunch is relative newcomer Brandon Routh. Not only does he look the part in spades, but the dude can actually act! Routh takes the basic elements of the character from Donner’s films and incorporates them into his performance, but he never goes over the top. In moments, he is almost channeling Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent, but takes a more subdued approach. Here, Clark is still socially awkward and soft-spoken, but without the excess of fumbling and stumbling. Likewise, his rendition of Superman is more refined, giving us deeper and more introspective Man of Steel than the overgrown platitude-spouting Boy Scout with super powers that Reeves’ Superman often came off as. Likewise, Bosworth’s portrayal of Lois infuses just the right amount of brashness and bitchiness without taking it too far and rendering her character unsympathetic (Did Margot Kidder get on anyone else’s last fucking nerve sometimes in the original films? Please tell me I’m not the only one). Best of all, however, is Spacey, who chews on the crystalline scenery with wry wit and refined menace – even if he is still guilty of not hiring the brightest of henchmen. Frank Langella also has a small but nice part as Perry White, and once again, captures the essence of the character without overdoing it. While I would not be quite so daring as to say that the main players here are “better” than their 1980’s counterparts, lest I be drawn and quartered by a throng of rabid Donner-era superfans (and who I would consider myself one of), I will say that it’s nice to see each of these actors making the character their own by exercising a bit more subtlety, rather than simply trying to mimic or out-do their predecessors. Enough already. I could almost get into a thesis-length paper about this film, it’s performances, and it’s subtext – but that would require too much spoilerfication and far more time and space than a simple film review should require. All I have left to say is that by the time those end credits rolled, I had laughed, cried, and cheered far more than I have for any other film in a very long time – much less a film based on a comic book character. And isn’t that feeling of being both emotionally drained and exhilarated what we go to the movies for?

  • July 10, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    To Louis Letterier who may or may not be a big faker...

    by Dragon Man

    If it is you, why don't you tell us if Cap was in the Hulk movie or not, once and for all.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Superman Returns was a disaster. And Louis Letterier will make an Indiana Jones or Alien movie only when hell freezes over.

  • WTF was he smoking? Pass it here

  • July 10, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by TVguy4566

    A lot of people complain that he he paid homage to Donner's original. There are a half dozen to a dozen posts in this thread to support that. <br><br> As for Routh, he was in it enough to make the role his own, but chose to play Christopher Reeves. Granted that was probably Singer's decision (which makes me want him off the project even more), but Routh could have tributed Reeves' performance without just mimicing it.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    If that is you, I though Hulk was really good. Thank god you didnt give him a son.

  • July 10, 2008, noon CST

    Do the Kevin Smith script!!!

    by m_reporter

    Joke.<p> But yeah, Incredible Hulk is way overrated here. Its all flash no soul. The complete opposite of Superman Returns, which had a good concept but it lacked the spectacle and an formidable adversary for Supes. Lex is great and all, but hes been done already. <p> A Supes movie needs to take notes from Spiderman 2, great action, with great drama, in great balance. In my opinion Spiderman 2 is the best superhero film so far.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    superman returns was shit, the new hulk was fanstastic

    by Mr_X

    ang lee fucked things up completely. singer also fucked things up. superman needs a kick arse villain. no more fucking luthor. and get rid of the actors who played jimmy olsen and lois lane, they were crap! enough already, brainic or metallo!

  • July 10, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    "Kate Bosworth brings an eager intensity to the star reporter"

    by TVguy4566

    Really?!? Maybe she was impatient for the movie to end already as many people in the audience were.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    BB > Spiderman2

    by DaBUU

    Not by much, but Kirsten Dunst kills every movie shes in for me. Whiny drunk ass C.U. Next Tuesday. Wish I could of tackled her when she was running in that fuckin wedding dress.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    How did we go...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    from Richard Donner, George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Ridley Scott, Joe Dante, James Cameron, John McTiernan and Paul Verhoeven to McG, Bryan Singer, Len Wiseman, Louis Letterier, Gore Verbinski, Brett Ratner, Tim Story and Michael Bay? Sad days my friends. Thank god for David Fincher and Christopher Nolan.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    What about Nolan?

    by DaBUU

    I'm starting to think everything the guy touches is gold. I bet he would do Superman right. As opposed to Singer just doing Superman aka Brandon Routh.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Is it because of "play or pay" contract between

    by DarthBakpao

    Singer and WB that keeps him on board for the sequels? If not, Singer would had been fired a long time ago.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    who is santio1? becuase your mom can vouch im no fruit

  • July 10, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Im not understanding eggsalad?

    by DaBUU

    Arent you supposed to be a kiddie porn site right now? Too bad I'm polish asshole

  • July 10, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Superman works fine...

    by andrew coleman

    He just needs an uber villain to face off against. A bald dude with quirky side kicks is not a menace. A giant monster or whatever causing havoc would. That is all it needs.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute!

    by DaBUU

    Are the same eggsalad thats going around telling people Jesus told you to cut off your dick? AhA!

  • July 10, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    M. Bay really makes sense

    by runfoodrun

    who else?

  • July 10, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Nah, SM2>BB

    by m_reporter

    And heres why.<p> SM2 has great action scenes, BB is lacking in that department.<p> BB does have better characters, but the plot is a bit dopey. It's all great and good till the microwave thing starts. And it could pass if they made the 1st half of the film less serious, but the 2nd half is full of cheesy one-liners and the quality of the story takes a nosedive. <p> I said this earlier on these boards somewhere, but you can't base a movie so much in reality, and make a movie that takes itself so seriously, only to go to a completely unrealistic scenario and silly one-liners in the 2nd half. Where SM2 is silly and doesn't take itself one bit serious from the 1st frame.<p> Also the villains in BB cant compare to Doc. Ock in SM2.<p> I still love BB, it's the best superhero origin story, and I am really, REALLY looking forward to TDK.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Singers track record

    by BackStJoe

    The Usual Suspects 10/10 Apt Pupil 8/10 X-Men 9/10 X2 8/10 Superman Returns 9/10 To jettison Singer is to give up on the franchise for another 15 years.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    No really.......

    by DaBUU

    I'm polish. Ask your mom, she makes me DP her, polish sausages up her twat and back door. Same time no lie! Freaky Bitch, but whatever she does swallow!

  • July 10, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Superman Returns 0/10

  • July 10, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Superman II: The Donner Cut

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I just watched this last night. I thought it was better than Lester's film, but it should've kept Lester's ending (turning back time twice, even if that was going to be the original ending before it was used for pt. 1 is even more lame than a superkiss).

  • July 10, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Singer's track record : another opinion

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Public Acces: Never Saw....Usual Suspects-10/10, Apt Pupil-6/10, X-Men 7/10, X2-8/10, Superman Returns 5/10.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer (SII)

    by BackStJoe

    I thought the Donner cut of SII was a disaster. Thank God they took control from him and gave it to Richard Lester.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I vomit on the idea of a Non-Spielberg Indiana

    by The Chosen

  • July 10, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns Flaws

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Too many Donner riffs, poor casting choices, bad script, no entertainment value.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk isn't much better than Ang's Hulk

    by Damien Chowder

    Yes and anybody who thinks so are biased towards hating on Ang Lee's version. Both films are almost identical save for the Tim Roth character. The new Hulk was like a Calvin Klein model and Betty Ross was emotionally dead. <BR> All in all both films wouldn't amount to 15 minutes of Hulk on screen. The rest is whiney human.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    I don't know if this 'interview' is evidence that Leterrier's getting way too big a head or whether he was just joking. There's no way they'd go from Singer to the director of Transporter 2. Incredible Hulk was entertaining, but Hulk is no Superman. That's a whole other level that Leterrier is so not able to handle. <p>I wish everybody (including Mark Millar) would just shut the fuck up and let Singer do his sequel. Does no one remember X2? Singer can bring it for a sequel, and now that he's got his Donner fetish out of the way, he can go forward with a new vitality, and bring on some Brainiac and Metallo. And I don't really want a Mark Millar Superman - let him stick to Kick Ass, and all his cynical revisionist superhero stuff - there's a place for that. Hell, if anything have him write the Avengers movie, since Ultimates was the best Marvel stuff he did. But keep him away from Superman. I agree with whoever said we don't need a 'hard-edged' Superman. Superman is not about being 'hard-edged' - it's about hope, nostalgia, and wonder, which Singer's first film had plenty of. So just lay off and let Singer do his thing.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Give Singer a break on the first X-film...

    by CeejayNightwing

    he had a low budget of $70 million and they cut his production time in half while he was making the film. This is why with a better budget and more time he managed to make such a great sequel with X2. he deserves at least one more shot at doing a better Superman film before they start panicking. Kate Bosworth was fine as Lois, she actually did some investigative reporting which is more than Margot Kidder's Lois ever did. Besides, they're completely different periods of the same character, the new Lois is a mother so not exactly the feisty selfish reporter that Margot Kidder portrayed. The best thing they can do with a next Superman film is an adaptation of the Death of Superman Story. Ang Lee's Hulk was utter misguided bollocks, the new Hulk was fantastic entertainment and everything the first filmshould have been, it's actually making more money than Ang Lee's on a day-for-day basis and merely 5 weeks in release compared to the total Ang lee's made after 17 weeks. It should comfortably make more money than Ang Lee's version by the end of it's run both internationally and domestically.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Singer should be back

    by rogueleader66

    SR had its problems, but was a solid entertaining film. The first X Men movie was good, not great. X2 was great. I think Singer could improve upon the strengths of SR and make a really great follow up. I loved Spacey as LL, but there needs to be another villian for him to team up with, because it's obvious he cannot beat Superman alone. I think Singer should do the next film, I am confident he could top SR.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    How can Letterier do a better job than Singer?

    by Damien Chowder

    When he couldn't much better Ang Lee's Hulk? Idiotic.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Martin Scorsese's Superman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Will Supes be Leo or De Niro?? Maybe Pesci?

  • July 10, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    here's a thought

    by Bloo

    I've been saying Joe Johnston for any Narnia or Potter film, but I think he might be a great director for Superman

  • July 10, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Well, he's better than Brett Ratner

    by Shepard Wong

    Is that all it takes to become the "it" director being linked to every major franchise in Hollywood? Hulk was nothing special. The public demanded a mindless Hulk film with a lot of action and that's what we got. I liked it but not enough to elevate this guy to anything other than "Well at least he didn't fuck it up" status.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Who did Superman Returns Appeal too

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'm someone who knows some things about the Superman comics/character, but I've never really been a fan. Don't hate it, just never got into it. Are Superman Returns fans Superman fans or Brian Singer fans, or something else?

  • July 10, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by ingloriousjedi


  • July 10, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    James Cameron

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Probably the only living director whose name attached to a Superman movie would make me care.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    And 20 minutes later.........

    by DaBUU

    eggsalad comes up with this gem of a comeback "wacking your little enchilada to some stank unibrowed, beans breath cunt". C'mon man that took 20 minutes? Retarded handle for a fuckin retard!

  • July 10, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by ingloriousjedi

  • July 10, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer:

    by Zerath

    It depends the type of Superman fan, I guess. The Superman comics are quite enjoyable to me and been following it for years - with saying that, I loved Superman Returns. One of the better comic movies, imo.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I just like how he's a Christ figure

    by Alkeoholic77

    even though he was created by two jews.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I was at a Hollywood party, Brian Singer was drunk

    by ScriptGirl00

    And told me I had the best cunt in the room... Someone had told Brian I was into 'swinging', which I am ;) Which made him think he had the right to talk to me that way. I said 'you just think I'm a piece of ass don't you'. He looked at me with a snobbish look, took a sip of his champagne and walked off, gave a high five to some Hollywood suit.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Zerath

    Is that the proper ScriptGirl or a fake one? If it's the proper - why isn't she in black? We need to fix that, Harry.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    um, Jesus wasn't the first Christ figure, you know

    by oisin5199

    let's see, Osiris, Dionysus, Orpheus, Mithras, Odin, Prometheus, Dummuzi, the list goes on. Anyway, Siegel and Shuster created Superman as a middle class rural immigrant passing as an urban American, defending the 'little guy' and promoting the causes of Liberalism and the New Deal. The Christ stuff came later by other writers. And I think it's really more of a solar deity thing (which Christ is an example of).

  • July 10, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Why I didn't like Superman Returns

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I felt it was extremely boring, and this is coming from someone whose favorite Kubrick film is Barry Lyndon. To me that's what it boilded down to. Like I said I feel no big connection to the comics, so the stuff that was changed didn't matter to me.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Not sure about Singer Stories

    by Samuel Fulmer

    but there's plenty of Ratner ones floating around the industry.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    I'm sitting in a great big office with NO boss shitting on me all day, so I'm able to sit here and waste my day talking to children like you. While you cower and and tab screens to not get caught. Sounds like you dont have much in the way of a career my lil gay friend.

  • July 10, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    We do agree on one thing tho......

    by DaBUU

    Scriptgirl is definitly a WHORE! Sure you dont go home with with big time Hollywood directors, gay or not. Bust out another rail there cokehead!

  • July 10, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Yah, Millar's got a really good track record on Superman predict

    by rev_skarekroe

    So, yeah.

  • July 10, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Samuel Fulmer:

    by Zerath

    The reason I enjoyed it so much was it really got the character down - with conflicting realities. Yes, he can tear through a persons chest but he won't. He has all these amazing abilities but he refuses to use them in fear of what could happen to the people around him. The movie people *want* to see (along with me) would be Death of Superman. A cinematic adventure where Doomsday and Supes pound the living shit out of each other until both are dead. Main issue with this being the amount of blood that would go in to the final fight production and rating issue from there out. - Closing scene - Supes funeral, camera pans out and turns around to see Metropolis. On a park path you'd see a man in a gigantic steel suit stopping a robbery. Hammer in hand. It'd be that little nudge for geeks while letting us know there *is* more to that universe even if Kal-el is gone for the briefest of moments.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Only need 124 and 3/4 more pages Zerath

    by ScriptGirl00

    $$$ Waits at the end of the rainbow...;)

  • July 10, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Leterrier is a fucking HACK

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    I wouldn't want him anywhere near a fucking Alien movie although saying that hes fucking Scorsese compared to Paul wank stain Anderson.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Zerath-Death Of Superman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That's probably the best ready made story they could go with.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by ingloriousjedi


  • July 10, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Fuck the Frog

    by Geekgasm

    Singer's Superman was better than Leterrier's Hulk.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I've never seen Superman Returns

    by hank henshaw

    and never will. I always had my reserves after Bryan Singer was announced as the director for the new Superman movie, and even more so after rumors started to pop that there was going to be a super-son and it was going to be a semi-sequel to the Donner movies (which were ok, but damn it, are from 30 years ago!). Then, after I saw the first full trailer, and saw there was absolutely nothing indicating that it was going to be an action scene in the whole movie I said "Fuck it!". Superman first started in a magazine called ACTION Comics, not "Chick-Flick Comics". The fact that Bryan Singer went on record to say that he intended Superman Returns to be the chick-flick of superhero movies is enough evidence that he has no clue about Superman, and never even read a Supeman comic in his life. Which is cool and all, but please don't do a Superman movie if you don't give a shit about the character.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    A Scot & a Frenchman doing Superman?

    by Circean6

    So Mark Millar wasn't happy destroying everything about Captian America in Civil War so he's also got to get his anti-american/ant-superhero claws into this as well? Oh Brudda...

  • July 10, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Please no Death of Superman storyline

    by Rickey Henderson

    The cartoon version failed miserably at doing it justice. If they were going to do it properly, they'd include the complete story arc: a long time of no Supes and all four imposter supermen. If they're going to give Rickey yet another watered down and condensed Death of Superman story, Rickey is not on board. Besides, aren't there a bazillion other villans in the Superman universe they can use instead of Doomsday? Imagine Nolan having Bane as the main bad guy in TDK. That wouldn't make much sense, would it?

  • July 10, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by Zerath

    That's the issue - not really a dialog writer. Description all day long? Simple. And - I know of no one that reads scripts, etc, etc. Maybe I'll try out a Death of Superman script... mmhmmm

  • July 10, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Superman is...

    by SpawnofAchilles

    fucking boring, there shouldnt be a sequel because the character is BULLSHIT Batman/Spiderman/Ironman is all you need friends

  • July 10, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Super-Man is lame

    by Pum-Spak

    Super-man is lame, and so will be any movie he is in. Hulk would pwn him in the comics just as Hulk has recently smashed him in the box office.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Three words (well two words and a suffix):

    by UltimaRex

    Pre. Production. Poker. That's all it is. WB is trying to force MOS forward.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    On second thought...

    by JustThisGuy

    The more and more I think about this the less and less plausible it sounds. Think about it. Why would a studio on the verge of potentially redefining what a comic book movie can be, with The Dark Knight, even consider giving the reins of its other flagship property to the director of Transporter and The Incredible Made-For-TV Hulk?

  • July 10, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    superman returns sequel writes itself

    by Aquanaut

    take a cue from the cartoon and bring in brainiac as a kryptonian a.i. then, have superman defeat him about halfway through the movie only to discover that brainiac has used nanotech viruses to infect superman's son, jason which..taking a cue from the comics have matured him to adulthood. superman is then forced to fight his brainiac-possessed son, testing how far he will go to protect humanity in a fight that is both visually stunning and emotionally stirring.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by DaBUU

    An enemy of my enemy is my friend. I see you also find eggsalad to be a worthless smelly, dirty, sweaty vagina!

  • July 10, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Clancy Brown should be Lex Luthor.

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    And Lex Luthor shouldn't be a fucking idiot like we got in the Donner/Singer movies. That is all.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by shogunshin

  • July 10, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Superman by Nolan...

    by hank henshaw

    Superman wouldn't fly, cause it's not realistic at all. Maybe he would make him very strong, kinda like those guys in ESPN that compete for the title of the World's Strongest Man or something like that, but not much stronger than that, just not believable. Bright colored suit, and a cape? WTF? No, can't have that. Alien, from another planet? maybe alien from another country, say... Canada, to pay homage to Siegel and Shuster. Heat vision? Freezing breath? Super-hearing? Nah, give him a gun and a spy kit. I don't know if Nolan would be a good fit for Superman, unless he took a radically different approach from what he did with Batman.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Spacey/Routh weren't the problem in SR

    by Rickey Henderson

    Both were well cast and they turned in perfectly fine performances for their characters. The problem was the lack of heroic action: all Singer's Superman does is lift things or catch things. Whoop-dee-fcuking-doo. As X-Men demonstrated, Singer direct action scenes for shit.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Surprised no one has mentioned Del Toro...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...I know he's gonna be busy for a while but maybe the time in the Hobbit production will give the rest of the world time to forget SR and Singer's slavish need to give some sort of send off to Donner (who, admittedly, did an almost perfect job capturing Supes as a character but I still hate a bumbling, comical Lex Luthor who surrounds himself with incompetent is that a foil to a 'walking, talking God' character like Supes?).<p>The best Luthor example has been ongoing for years now...Rosenbaum's Luthor portrayal on Smallville; arguably the only brilliantly good thing in that series. And for the love of Christmas, big boobs, and edible panties, no more god damn bullshit Real Estate plots...please?

  • July 10, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    So long as there's no more homosexual subtext.

    by alucardvsdracula

    Sure Brian we get the fact that you're Gay, we get the fact that all your heroes are stuggling with their inner demons (read Gay), and we get that it was really you Brandon Routh was portraying in his skimpy, tight, off-red, tight, off-blue, tight, suit with a small "s" (read small dick). So now that's out of your system - and someone else can pick up the pieces of the homosexual trainwreck that was "Superman Retards" - you can go on to more challenging and thought provoking movies like possibly a remake of "Fright Night" which has absolutely NO HOMOSEXUAL SUBTEXT WHATSOEVER. I look forward to your next venture, you sexy, sweet thing.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    i dont really care to see another superman

    by BMacSmith

    unless maybe its a mega budget movie with a planet destroying super threat. Even then i'm not sure if that would interest me. It would probably be just another Superman Lifts Things.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    new update...

    by JustThisGuy

    I'm looking at the banner and it says New Update 1:14 MP CST, and yet I don't see anything that I didn't see an hour ago when I first opened this page. Something wrong with my browser?

  • July 10, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Gay Perspective Ruining Superman Returns

    by preacherhunter

    I've read several posters above and have to agree....Singer's gay perspective, while appropriate for outcasts like the X-Men, has no place in the world of Superman. Interesting that he did a great job casting boyfriend, male stripper-like Brandon Routh as Clark/Kal-el, but completle missed the boat with Lois Lane. Most gay guys wouldn't know where to begin in casting a hottie like Lois Lane and Singer failed misrealy. I say give the franchise to a real man like Guy Ritchie and see what happens.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Do ALien 5


    Have Sigourney as an ancestor of Ripley, she goes on a space cruise in her old age like a sea cruise but you know in space when suddenly a worm hole opens up and they are transported to LVsomething5 where the aliens are all shagging and she has to kick ass with a walking stick and then what do you know the original ship from ALien begins it's landing to check out the beacon signal distress thing and squashes Old Ripley under it's landing gear THE END

  • July 10, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by dingus khan

    i still haven't seen "Shriek 1-4"...

  • July 10, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    They should cast Barack Obama as Clark Kent/ Superman

    by trombone

    You know it to be true.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    "Not if it's with Shia."

    by fiester

    I love this guy. Give him Superman for a total reboot now. Let Singer go do some indie movie about gay cowboys eating pudding or something.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by ingloriousjedi

    You have to work in your shitty job everyday, day in and day out. Will you ever quit? No. Will you ever move up in the world? No. Will you get more angry at your situation and inability to display any sense of accomplishment? Yes.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by Rickey Henderson sure would be dandy if just one Superman Returns TB didn't devolve into fanboy bitching about Singer's sexuality.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Give Supes to the Wachowskis

    by Wed Vid Guy

    Say what you will about the Matrix sequels, but the Brothers Wachowski fucking GET the superhero thing. And Speed Racer showed that they can do popcorn movies with the best of them. Too bad nobody showed up for the best movie of the summer to see that for themselves. Seriously, I can't think of a better directing team. They'd knock it out of the park.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    fuck it: John Waters to direct next Superman movie!

    by Rickey Henderson

    Starring Barney Frank as the man of steel! Would that make you fuckwits happy?

  • July 10, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by ingloriousjedi


  • July 10, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    eggsalad, kindly shut the fuck up

    by Rickey Henderson

    we get it, you're repressed. You're angry. You're hurting. But that shit ain't Rickey problem. Take it elsewhere cupcake.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Some cunts just don't know how to take a compliment

    by Shepard Wong

    It's not like he called you an ugly cunt.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST




  • July 10, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    someone mentioned Doomsday...

    by emeraldboy

    CW are bringing doomsday to smallville.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Singer had his shot. Move on.

    by TallBoy66

    I liked Hulk but I think Singer is a GREAT visual stylist, and better than Louis Letterer, but Hulk definitely had some punch and pace to it's action sequences, which was completely lacking in Singer's take. As long as they don't get the guy who made Die Hard 4.0, that fucker ruined it.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    SR would've been more watchable with Caviezel as Supes

    by DarthBakpao

    Routh was stiff as wood and has zero charisma. Caviezel is too old now, a few years ago he would have been perfect

  • July 10, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    thank god...

    by Rupee88

    we don't need new peeping tom Superman with a son...Singer royally fucked up the last one..he really did..him and his two crappy writer friends. I agree that the Wachowskis might be able to do an amazing Superman movie, but they are too unpredictable. Matrix 2 and 3 were trainwrecks..can't take the risk with Supes.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Most people I know liked Singer's vision

    by krushjudgement

    Aintitcool folks mostly don't. But it made money. I think it'd be a bad move to not use Singer.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Yeah, youre repressed

    by Rickey Henderson

    And you're venting here on AICN. Go to the gym or something dude. Write an interoffice memo. Get a dog. Whatever it takes to channel that angst, because it sure as shit isn't healthy.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    despite what some here though t about Speed racer...

    by emeraldboy

    it still underperformed. massively. Speed racer tanked. Those who liked it are in denial.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    yes Supes needs a total reboot

    by Rupee88

    Just do the origin story would be fun with the updated effects...tough to top the Donner one but it would still be fun. It may be too soon for this, but in 5 years or so, it could work.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST


    by DarthJedi

    Why do people still care about this washed up character? BORING!!!

  • July 10, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    So what is speed tanked?

    by Series7

    Its probably for the better. The Brothers W have a history with ruining their masterpieces with unneeded sequels.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Rickey Henderson

    what exactly have you done in your life that would grant you the ability to even consider picking on Rickey? Just curious. Feel free to provide conrete examples which justify your otherwise seemingly miserable existence. Cheers.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Yes, Bay shall direct this movie.

    by michael bay sucks awesome

    Negotiations are in talks. As well as the budget. And believe me, the next Superman Movie will be the most expensive movie ever. This comes from inside knowledge. Michael Bay is in talks to direct. I would expect this to be released in the next two weeks.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Hi Michael Bay

    by ScriptGirl00

    hehe ;)

  • July 10, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Dudes, can we just discuss things related to the topic?

    by DarthBakpao

    Life is too short and some of you guys waste your time throwing insults at each other... you're not going to win anything or lose your dignity... it's just a virtual world and you're anonymous

  • July 10, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Hey ScriptGirl :) :)

    by michael bay sucks awesome

    Don't forget.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    WB has a stable of heroes, just drop Supes cause he's...

    by The Founder

    already tainted with the stinch of mediocrity. WB should not pour millons into another sequel, when it could and more then likly will end up underperforming. Superman is a dated hero with 0 edge. I find him boring and predictable. Maybe Miller can revamp him and update him, but at this point who really cares. The best thing for WB to do is just do a Justice League movie and to hell with the complaining fans.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The Problem ...

    by claudiomonster

    One of the main issues with Superman I feel has been that he's practically indestructable unless it has to do with a shiney little green rock. We've seen this played out over and over again - so where do we go from here. Now I think we can have brief moments of an origin story. Perhaps the American military has always known of a craft falling from the sky. Perhaps they even visited the Kent farm looking for the "craft" to never have found it. The kents have always wanted to have their child be "normal" in fears that he would be taken away by "the men in black" persay aka Military/NASA. I think one great thing that Batman does is show corruption in the police. Why not show the same sort of corruption in say the military - thats where we get Lex from. Plus we can intertwine Lex Corp doing business with Wayne Enterprises etc for military weapons (that would be used against Superman and would be a great way to begin intertwining the dc universe for a justice league film or batman vs. superman etc.). Clark has a problem where he's just learning about his abilities and perhaps he's confused on how to actually use this power of his. I mean, there should be some logical reason he becomes a reporter or decides to be SUPERMAN. Perhaps he chooses to be a model for the USA and the WORLD because theres so much corruption that he sees. I'd also love to see how he BECOMES man behind the superman mask. What makes him decide to wear glasses etc. Someone has mentioned for Jimmy to be the comic relief, i like this idea.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    IS he doing it or not?

    by vanman009


  • July 10, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    ...The Problem ALSO

    by claudiomonster

    What does HULK, IRON MAN, BATMAN have in common - corruption in the law enforcements ... something Superman didn't have ...

  • July 10, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    No Relevance

    by McFlyWalker

    Superman has no relevance in a society where we use the media to highlight our idols flaws in order to feel good about ourselves. How would this notion work with someone impervious to harm unless it's a glowing green rock! They need a director like Jim Cameron on this. Someone who understands grandeur & can capture human emotion.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    The Wachowski's ain't directing Nothing...

    by Kid Z

    ...except Larry/Lara's next gay bondage video. Speed Racer was a career-killer!

  • July 10, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by TVguy4566

    "Routh was good, better than Aston fucking Cuntcher could've done."<br><br> And you call that a compliment to Routh? I'm sure he did a better job than Carrot Top, Rob Schneider, Chris Klien, Hayden Christensen, and a whole host other horrible actors could have done. I probably could have been a better Superman than Ashton Kutcher. I don't know if Routh or Kutcher were Singers only two choices for the role.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Merrick, I dunno for the other French-speaking TBers

    by SpencerTrilby

    maybe some people here read too much into Louis' comments - or they're simply full of shit, or overtly fanboys - but like I said in my previous message, the tone of Leterrier's voice lends more toward a non-committal "yeah, I could've heard about a new Supes flick" rather than "I've been OFFERED it". All conditional tense here.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    thank god

    by slkboxrman

    superman returns was pure garbage, brandon routh sucked....kevin spacey was a horrible lex luthor....need i go on.....from superman leaving earth to find out what he already him coming back in a crystal spaceship (were some left in the driveway on a chunk of krypton?)to the flashback as him as a child in smallville wearing the fact that superman was dumb and weak in the movie(cant stop a plane from falling?, grab a plane by its weakest point?) to the rediculously retarded "krypronite island" superman having a love child with lois lane...singer did to superman what u thought michael bay would do to transformers.....get all the people from smallville to do a superman movie......i think clark on smallville is more superman than superman in superman returns...its sad when a TV show has better special effects than a 200 or 300 million dollar movie...sad sad sad.....good riddance to bryan singer rubbish...

  • July 10, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by claudiomonster

    And where saw where those franchises went right? Jking .. Listen, we're dealing with someone who is quite indestructible except when it comes to K. or Dooms. I'm not saying to make it a total origin story - there must be action, I saw more on the lines of Batman or Hulk ...

  • July 10, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought the new Hulk sucked!

    by ganymede3010

    Ang Lee's was far superior. Letterir or however you spell his name is a fucking hack end of story. The new Hulk had 2 fucking action sequences, 2 action sequences. And you all are blindly praising it, pathetic.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    yo guys

    by claudiomonster

    I really think we need to see a broken society in this flick. We need Superman as a model for the world to see. Id love to establish this film and then move to a doomsday trilogy ...

  • July 10, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST


    by claudiomonster

    Bruno - I was joking. Did you read the post? Jesus.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    And btw

    by claudiomonster

    It would very interesting, at least to me, to see why Lex has so much pull in Metropolis ...

  • July 10, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    hey hey gany...

    by Rickey Henderson

    for once, you and Rickey agree about something.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    hey hey gany...

    by Rickey Henderson

    for once, you and Rickey agree about something.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Go eat pudding with gay cowboys!

    by fiester

    Anyone who thought Superman Returns or Ang Lee's Hulk were any good sucks cock by choice! Sucks cock by choice, I say! <p> Damn, I miss Deadwood. Damn you surfers for brainwashing the writer! <p> Fuck Hollywood too. And Scriptgirl is a butterfaced chubbette. Definite two-bagger there.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Bruce Timm to direct

    by Dingbatty

    Any among these guys to write (they wrote for the superb Superman Adventure comic of the 90's): Paul Dini, Mark Evanier, Devin Grayson, Scott McCloud, Mark Millar, and/or Ty Templeton.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Did some mention Michael Bay?

    by bobjustbob

    once had yummy labia

  • July 10, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Give it to Singer

    by Judge Briggs

    He said he would up the action ...X2 says it all...

  • July 10, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Issue with the other Superman movies

    by claudiomonster

    My biggest issue with ALL the Superman movies was that people seemed to just accept him or be extremely interested in him. A FLYING MAN. I think there would be MAJOR issues all over the world over this. The End Of Days anyone? I mean people wouldn't believe it. The religious nuts would come out. People would be freaked out while some would think it was cool.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Give Louis Leterrier a..

    by 7Cal

    black-background user ID so we know it's him. You should give black-background IDs to all known Hollywood types who would have an inclination to post in this internet cess pool.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Last 10 minutes of X-2=Direct lift of Wraith of

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • July 10, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Samuel Fulmer

  • July 10, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I want Singer back.

    by Knuckleduster

    Mainly because I, for one, liked Superman Returns and think that a Singer sequel will be brilliant. Remember how the first X-men movie was just a warm-up before he knocked our socks off with X-men 2? I still have faith in the guy, and I admire how he puts character before action. That's just my taste. <p>However, I won't mind seeing Bosworth replaced with Rachel McAdams.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    I like Singer, BUT

    by wash

    He really f'd this one up. BADLY. Something that was just mildly annoying to watch the first time is mindbogglingly painful to watch in later viewings. There needs to be a Nolan style reboot of the franchise where they pick the best parts of the Superman COMICS mythology and filter through a realistic lens. Not a bad fucking rehash of the 70's flicks.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Drop Routh? Hell To Tha Naw

    by SG Xibalba

    The one thing that pisses me off is when a frnchise can't just stick to its guns and stick with the lead they pick. Until Nolan came along you've only got to look at the Batman franchise to see a prime example. I rest my case m'lud.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by claudiomonster

    Totally agree

  • July 10, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who LOVED Superman Returns?

    by Zeegloo

    Come on, people! The acting was terrific(props to Routh for doing his own thing with the character and Spacey for being a badass), the script was very, very well done, and visually the movie was so brilliant and exciting... Why the hell didn't people like it? Could have been better... sheesh. It is easily on the same level as Spiderman and Spiderman 2, Batman Begins, and Iron Man. Fuck this shit, I don't want a reinvention. A perfectly awesome Superman movie can be made with the same characters and universe, but with a bit more of the excitement that I assume you guys want. As superb as Superman Returns was, a sequel would not require the origin story and family drama that its predecesor had. KEEP SINGER AND ROUTH PLEASE! Losing Bosworth I could forgive, but THE FIRST ONE WAS GREAT!

  • July 10, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by FleshMachine

    not perfect (did not dig the kid)...but a perfect blending of the doner film style (which i love!!) and updating it a bit. Routh was a perfect superman. my wife is gay for him (uh...straight for him). MAKE ANOTHER LIKE THAT!!!!!

  • July 10, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns was horrible fanwank.

    by Baked

    But whatever, I'm sure someone liked it.

  • July 10, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Hey, filmmakers post in the talk-back too!

    by Aeghast

    He should've posted something like "first! first director to post here, that is!"

  • July 10, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    for the next SUPERMAN movie..

    by Aeghast

    ..just get rid of the son, PLEASE

  • July 10, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Keep the theme song...nothing else

    by Handsomeherdman

    Outside of the iconic theme, a total reboot is in order. Also, they should cast someone hot to play Lois, and someone cool to play Lex...something Singer definitely failed upon in his version.

  • July 10, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    342nd! Fear My Awesomeness!

    by ericinwisconsin

    :LOL: Seriously, "reimagining" Superman scares the CRAP outta me! Never forget that Batman was "reimagined" in the 1960's. (And don't tell me it wasn't!)

  • July 10, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    claudiomonster: Lex's Pull

    by ericinwisconsin

    Because he's no longer a genius, he's a business man who, despite being worth millions, has trouble with linear thinking.

  • July 10, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I agree about Wachowskis

    by Wed Vid Guy

    On the business end of things, the brothers W are going to be in director's jail for a while. If we see anything from them, it will be in the budget category until they can build their cred up again. That being said, my point still stands. They would kick unholy ass if they had an honest to goodness comic book property and a budget.

  • July 10, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Routh is fine

    by picardsucks

    Costume sucked, Lois sucked, Cyclops really sucked and yes Spacey , Spacey fucking Sucked!!! and last but not least the story was too banal. I want Routh to go on the cast of 300 and Bales Batman Begins vitamins, put on Reeve's old suit, Frenchie can direct fine with that, I want a cool story, no Luther and a badass villan ( Zod please- Terrence Stamp)

  • July 10, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Loved the movie

    by The Wolf at the Door

    Problem with a Superman movie, though, is how much freakin' stock there is in the character, and how many people are so certain they "know" Superman ... and of course, anyone who has a different take on the character just "doesn't get" Superman. <p> It was a Superman movie. Not THE Superman movie. You can say at least it was a continuation of the type of Superman created by the Donnor movie, which itself isn't really THE Superman. THE Superman doesn't really exist, given all the years and different interpretations from different storytellers. <p> Anyways, loved the film, have seen it maybe a dozen times now, and loved it more the last time I saw it than I did the first time. So, yeah, hope Singer's on board for the "Wrath of Kahn" sequel ... thus confirming that Superman Returns is the Star Trek: The Motion Picture of the "franchise."

  • July 10, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by DarthBakpao

    i agree on X-2, the last 10 minute kinda fell apart and seemed anti-climax, otherwise it would prob'ly the best superhero movie ever made. The opening scene with Nightcrawler was one of the coolest scene i've ever seen

  • July 10, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Yes if it's with Brainiac, no if it's with Luthor.

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Absolutely not if it's with Shia playing Lex Luthor.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Superman's kid

    by darthvedder81

    I thought this was handled well in SR. There's something almost poetically tragic about this god-man Superman scouring the universe for a connection to himself only to find it back on earth. The whole thing could've have devolved into the kid being there for comic-relief/cutesy purposes (which is what would happen if say, Michael Bay had directed) but it didn't.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by claudiomonster

    I still think Lex should somehow have business with Wayne enterprises ... just my 2 cents... I'm for a re imaging of Superman. He's a man trying to blend into normal humanity -- a society that is lacking hope (kinda like what USA is really going through) and corrupted with Lex (Bush) in the center of it all.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    As long as they bring back Routh ...

    by doubledown44

    I'm willing to listen to any pitch. I really liked him in the role. The Jimmy Olson actor did a really nice job, too.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    No reinvention please!

    by Wormie1

    I really, really hope we get a Singer/Routh sequel. Superman has already been rebooted several times on TV in the past twenty years anyway. I much prefered Superman Returns to Batman Begins, yet I never would never have wanted a non-Nolan/Bale Batman movie at this point.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    LOL dont be so modest Leterrier, you fuck

    by BurgerKing

    You know that you would say YES to any one of those projects you listed. They are all extremely high profile and would boost your director status (and salary) big time. Yeah sure, the studio asks him to do Harry Potter and he would just say "yeah, why not". Fuck, get off your high horse. You did a couple shitty action movies and a moderately good/successful Hulk movie, you're not Spielberg yet.

  • July 10, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Make "Chinese Superman"!

    by Teddy Artery

    That would be so awesome, I'd spontaneously combust!

  • July 10, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to "Clash"

    by KingKirby

    Hey Louis, how about dropping some "Clash of the Titans" info on us? Straight remake or "reimagining"? Stop motion or CG? Inquiring minds want to know! I actually saw "Clash" in the theaters when it came out...I'm looking forward to a new version!

  • July 10, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Not if it's with Shia? Try, "Not if it's with Lucas"

    by God's Brother

    that's all

  • July 10, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    ah jeez not this shit again

    by Mr_X

    <br>if you've read comics, if you've followed characters on the small screen and big screen, you;ll realize that both singers superman and ang lees hulk. ang lees hulk was fucking nonsense. boring nonsense. fighting mutant dogs is fucking nonsense. i remember watching the hulk thinking on screen thinking what the fuck is this movie about.</br> <br>letterier hulk was the hulk i was waiting for, the hulk in the comics, the hulk as he should have been on screen. everything about that movie was picture perfect. there have been few films over the years that ive actually had to stop myself at clapping whilst the film was on, cause what i was seeing on screen was that good. </br> <br>superman returns. well the trailer had me. it was excellent it evoked the spirt of the movies i saw as a kid. and probably thats where it shudl have been left behind. focusing on lois, her kid and lex was a huge mistake. heroes and villians is what these movies are about. it why iron man was so good, why this new hulk movie was brilliant. and why superman returns was so poor.</br> <br> i ask you honestly, which movie do you prefer, superman 1, or superman 2? for me zod and crew were the villains that superman needed to fight. exactly the villains that were missing from superman returns<br> <br> batman fights plain evil bad guys, which is why fighting the joker as opposed to doomsday works for him</br> <br> heroes need the right villians. as simplistic as it sounds its good vs evil. not fucking good vs metaphysical ( unless im watching a fucking dr strange movie) nor good vs lovestory. in the backdrop fine. not as the fucking forefront of the movie. another reason why hancock doesn't work and spidey 2 and xmen 2 did</br>

  • but it fucks up the franchise for future films ( another reason why hulk isnt pulling them in the same amount as iron man.) get it done right the first time. you spend all that money on a movie, do it god damm right

  • July 10, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    This just pisses me off...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    I liked the way Singer approached SR too much to get on board with this "reboot" bullshit. And it went to too great an effort to resurrect the character in a present day setting while maintaining the canon & nostalgia of the original films. I felt like it wa the only idea that could really work for it, and for me it worked great. None of that crap about giving Superman a black and grey suit, essentially making him Batman with super powers. He wears a bright red and blue outfit. Don't be afraid of it.

  • July 10, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Who is this guy?

    by AntoniusBloc

    He did Hulk, so what? Hulk wasn't that great, and if he thinks there should be ANOTHER Alien movie, then I wouldn't trust this guy's judgement on any film.

  • July 10, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Smooth Backpeddling

    by Geekgasm

    What else could one expect from a cheese-eating surrender monkey.

  • July 10, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    i loved a lot of superman returns

    by bluetunehead

    Swap Kate Bosworth with somebody more compelling, politely ignore the kid, make it more action oriented (see giant robots and the like) and let Singer do his thing. Superman Returns had some brilliant moments. It was just too long and had a few story elements that didn't belong. But if you want to do this right then keep Singer on board, just make it more of a Superhero action movie. Or if you must get rid of Singer, AT LEAST keep Routh, Spacey, and the general aesthetic of Superman Returns. I don't mind seeing another director behind the lens, but what I don't want to see is a total reboot. Look at the Harry Potter films. Different directors almost every time, but each film fits visually with the one before (for the most part at least). I don't want to have to get used to another Superman universe on screen again. And for the love of God, don't cast Tom Welling. Guy can't act worth shit. He can hardly hold his own on TV, and could never handle the big screen.

  • July 10, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984


  • July 10, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The Son of Jor-El

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Zod is not dead, you know. Just fell down a hole. Same with Sarah Douglas and the big guy, what's his name? For the next movie, just have them crawl back out and reclaim their super powers. Zod: "Tell the son of Jor-El I'm coming. Tell him I'm fucking coming!!!!!!" And then wreak some real CGI city destruction during an hour and a half running battle with Superman that levels all the well-known monuments across the world starting with the Taj Mahal and ending on the Las Vegas strip.

  • July 10, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Singer is unique because

    by SlickyVonBoner

    He directed (in my opinion) one of the best superhero flicks ever (X-Men 2) and the worst ever (Superman Returns). I don't know how I feel about him, just that Superman was retardedly bad.

  • July 10, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Based on HULKS BO

    by Mace Tofu

    "He was offered" is more likely. I'm up for anyone other than Singer doing the sequel as the only scene I find myself watching from SR is the shuttle rescue, after that the movie never reaches that high feeling again for me. Bring on some new blood.

  • July 10, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Grand Moff Toht

    by picardsucks

    The Big brutish mute thick eyebrowed guy was Mikey

  • July 10, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns...I'm so torn.

    by depalma25

    I was never a comic book fan, but absolutely loved the first two Superman movies. I really enjoyed Superman Returns the first time I saw it, in fact I saw it three times in the theater. Let's face it, here was a director so in love with Donner's version that he forgot to make his own film. Anytime the myth deviated from the original two, the movie failed, ie.super offspring. Brandon Routh was fine, but was not cast because he WAS Superman, but rather because he looks and sounds like Christopher Reeve. Reeves was a stage actor, and his classical training was evident in the portrayal of Clark Kent. Routh could do heroric, but then again, who can't? What he couldn't do was "funny." Reeve's as Kent was pretty fucking funny. Lex Luthor should have been sinister. Instead Spacey did his best Gene Hackman as Luthor impersonation. Margot Kidder was no hottie, but at least she was interesting, quirky, and complimented Supes very well. Kate Bosworth was dull, and even a bit bitchy. The plane sequence was thrilling and the scene where Superman gets the shit kicked out of him was pretty well done. I think I was just happy to see Superman on the bigscreen again. On paper, I liked the idea of Singer being faithful to Donner's version. I liked some of the action. But damn, there are so many bad things that I'd like to see the franchise in another director's hands.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

  • July 10, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Singer doing Superman & not X-men was a really bad idea.

    by The Outlander

    So instead of getting one or two really awesome movies we got two really disappoint ones.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Alien 5

    by welsh_bullfrog_goon

    We had french director jean pierre jeunet direct alien ressurection, it looked okay as a film but the new born 3rd act was terrible. On dark horizons last week Sigourney weaver mentioned she would be interested in doing another alien movie and ridley scott is interested too. I don't think it's wise to hand a franchise that is in disarray to a director who has only notched up a few films, ridley scott states on the alien quadriology dvd spec features he would like to go back and explore the derelict craft and space jockey origin. Then let him do so. The franchise can go out on a high then.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Vader's Way

    by bobsjohnson

    My video of Darth Vader's life set to Sinatra's "My Way." Skip past the first 3:16 to watch the video.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns

    by antmanx68

    All of the homage and nostalgia in the world cant make up for an unenjoyable movie. Some elements were cool, but it fell flat. Get spacey the fuck out of there, put in a damn supervillain, a capable lois, and cast shatner as perry white (you got JK Simmons rocking the shit in spidey and Singer's answer is Frank "put me to sleep" fucking Langella? Supes needs new life, it pisses me off because that boring "vague" sequel shit only gave fuel to the haters who say people dont care about a Superman movie. I believe we're all just waiting for a worthy follow up and something worth seeing. Where's the fun and excitement? Its friggin Superman for goodness sake.

  • July 10, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Singer is a hack

    by Violator90

    Singer fucking Nuked the Fridge with SUPERMAN RETURNS. That was just a fucking rehash of Donner’s classic, while deforming it by adding Supes Jr and stalker dad Supes into the mix. The X-Men sucked too! This is just me but I say, Singer fucking killed Superman with that eye sore of a movie. Now, every one has the right to hate or like it. Fine. To each their own, but FUCK! It was like watching an Uwe Boll version with a dash of Paul W.S. Anderson. No other movie has EVER pissed me as much as Singer’s diarrhea masterpiece. Hell, Supes can’t get any more fucked than what Singer did, and I can’t believe that I’m saying this but, have Michael Bay have a crack at it. Seeing Supes tearing up shit and ‘splosions might be what Supes needs. Though my perfect choice would be Donner himself. He needs to do the Superman that the fans have been dying to see. Most of the choices that would be great is a fucking pipe dream; Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, Ron Howard, Pete Jackson, and Del Toro, yet any of those fuckers would make a great movie if given the chance. Well may be not Spielberg and his lil buddy Lucas, looks like they’re fucking losing it. Hey FMB, nice to see you aroung man. Now play nice.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I just watched Hulk

    by RedHHades

    and I loved Leterrier's work! So much better movie than the first one, I am not even a Hulk fan, but I really would want to see another one with Norton as the character. He nailed it. I hope they really can "reinvent" Superman because, IMO, Singer basically KILLED Superman Returns, what a crap and bad directed movie. One of the few ones that made me want to leave before the end. To say the truth, I wish I had left.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    So the sum total

    by shran

    that I get from this article and it's updated updates is: Someone may or may not reboot Superman and it may or may not be Leterrier. Fascinating. What a scoop.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Just saw Incredible Hulk...

    by DanielKurland

    And absolutely loved it, and I could care less about the Hulk. I'd be all for him directing Superman. Incredible Hulk had like five different types of movies occurring in it, and the stuff he did like the portrait of pre-Captain America Captain America, how can you not be pleased?

  • July 10, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Singer SUCKS!!!!

    by Dawhiteguy

    If only they were not so scared to throw vibrant colors into the xmen. Movies, like Hellboy and The Dark Knight would get the respect that should be had.

  • July 10, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    "props to Routh for doing his own thing with the character"

    by TVguy4566

    I didn't realize trying to duplicate Christopher Reeves' interpretation of Superman is doing his own thing with the character. Kudos for being original by being totally unoriginal.

  • July 11, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    So he would rather do a 90 year old Ford

    by jackofhearts29

    than an ANY age LeBoeuf (sp. ?!) Well.. who wouldn't? Come ON!!!

  • July 11, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    so this was just an excuse for another SR bashing session?

    by oisin5199

    great. Let's see. Stalker deadbeat dad. Singer is GAY! Superman Returns sucked! Routh sucked! Spacey sucked! God, I'm so sick of it. I love that people say Singer had 'a secret agenda' or something. Or that it's all about gay subtext. WTF? Please show me one moment in the film that had gay subtext? Other than the inherent 'gayness' in a guy running around in tights, which is a staple of the genre? Sheesh. <p> Wolf at the Door, you're exactly right. This was an interpretation of Superman, not THE Superman because it doesn't exist. Except for the sloppiness in how they got there storywise, I actually loved the kid idea (maybe because I'm a new parent myself). Why is this soooo hard for people to get? Lois and her husband and her kid are what Kal-El cannot have but longs for. Supes' relationship with his father is similarly problematic, and Singer was drawing a parallel between Kal/Jor-EL and the kid/Clark, and how Clark's story is of the adopted child who never knew his father, even though that father is a huge presence in his life. And showing how James Marsden's character is a kind of Superman to his family, questioning the reason and purpose of a superhero in this day and age. Sure, the Lex thing and the land plot was stupid, and I'd also prefer the version of the character who's smart and tough and not obviously a criminal (like Smallville or the animated series). But so much was right. In many ways, the first movie felt like it was laying a lot of groundwork: redefine Supes in today's day and age, have him work through his Lois issues so that he can have a more mature relationship with her, etc. I really think so many people didn't like the movie because they didn't like seeing Supes deal with issues of growing up, relationships, and fatherhood. The deity is too human. But now he can move on and deal with the deity stuff again (angry god or whatever) and start working with power again. Just let Singer do the sequel and quit bitching.

  • July 11, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    i just saw the hulk too

    by chipps

    liv tyler was better than i was expecting, and since i have intentionally avoided reviews like the plague, the dude who showed up at the end was a nice surprise

  • July 11, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    oh and Script Girl

    by oisin5199

    are you into swinging, in the full on couples sense, or just generally polyamory and open relationships? Just curious. What do you think of Swingtown? Great show, pretty true to life.

  • July 11, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    I don't want to live if this happens.

    by Rollo Tomassi

    So, once again, a great superhero film was made by an artist, idiots didn't get it, and second-rate hack Louis Letterier is being asked to dumb it down and ruin it? Letterier makes Mark Steven Johnson or Tim Story look like a genius, and the complaints made against "Superman Returns" are, to put it politely, the moronic ravings of infantile minds. I'd rather see a "Godfather" prequel with Freddie Prinze Jr as Sonny Corleone than see Louie the loser destory Singer's work. All he'll do is make us appreciate Brett Ratner.

  • July 11, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Millar is a self-promoting jackass, and I loved SR

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Remember his BS comment about Eminem being interested in being the lead in Wanted? Screw this jerk. I loved Superman Returns, and I want to see Singer continue. And screw all of you whining, homophobic pricks who keep going on about Singer's "gay agenda".

  • July 11, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Singer and his wooden boy toy getting shitcanned

    by Live.

    IS THE BEST NEWS EVER! Hot Damn, Superman finally has something to celebrate!

  • July 11, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Superman, the gayest superhero next to Northstar.

    by Roketopunch

  • July 11, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    I hate to say it...

    by depalma25

    I would totally get a kick out of a Michael Bay Superman Movie. Bay + no concern for the law of gravity = crazy awesome!

  • July 11, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Pop-lockin' beats

    by Rommel Catuncan

    Yeah Jazz!

  • July 11, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    HULK Sucked

    by D o o d

    and Leterrier sucks. Please don't give him Superman and I couldn't give a shit what he would or wouldn't direct. The guy is a b-movie director.

  • July 11, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    New Superman Director----BRET RATNER

    by thelordofhell

    The story will be about a super smart black dude, played by Chris Tucker, that gets tricked by Lex Luthor to build a super machine computer that will kill Superman. Man this shit almost writes itself.

  • July 11, 2008, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Returns was "for girls"

    by Kenny8

    So said the man himself, Singer. Don't let him back. Or Routh, Spacey and the little boy. The one that played Lois, I mean.

  • July 11, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay doing Supes?

    by m_reporter

    I know it's only fanboy rambling, but that's one stupid idea. I mean it's a brilliant idea if you want to see Superman screwed up completely, ala Schumacher.<p> He'd change Supes costume, his character (expect street lingo), his origin, his villains and he'd probably get Supes to take a piss on John Turturro or some other awesome actor of Turturros caliber.<p> If this thing happens by some freak accident, I name this film SINO and am getting copyrights on that.

  • July 11, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Nobody wants a Wrath of Cunts

    by chien_sale

    So no fucking Bryan Singer. You guys that liked Brandon Routh and Superman Returns are a bunch of semen swaping monkey that would love seeing zoo pornography with Harry Knowles, a few Razorbacks and the Abomination getting it on. I mean you would have to be seriosuly fucked in the head and devoid of taste to have liked that film and wanting Singer or Routh back. You guys are a disgrace to Cinema.

  • July 11, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    The last 10 minutes of X2 shit all over the entirety

    by Steve Rogers

    of Superman Returns. BORING FILM.

  • July 11, 2008, 5:57 a.m. CST


    by 1st and only

    superman sucks.been stuck in the same story syndrome for decades...bloody kryptanite

  • July 11, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Hulk sucked too

    by Dazzler69

    I hope Louis stays in France or whatever he does not know comic movies.

  • July 11, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    I'd rather Singer redeem himself with Superman Returns 2

    by Drath

    X-Men 2 blew X-Men 1 out of the water and improved on all the things that were lame about the first one (except for use of Cyclops, which only got worse as the movies went along). I'd rather that Singer regain his cred. I look at what a shit job X3 was and think THIS is what happens when you replace Singer in a franchise! The only two personnel changes I'd like to happen in a sequel is a new Lois Lane (Bosworthless was all wrong), and John Williams instead of John Ottoman. Otherwise I'd rather they make good on the promise of a better sequel. Going with Letterier feels like more of DC poaching from Marvel's success--first X-Men's Singer, now this. Yeah, I think it sucks totally shit that Superman Returns wasn't a home run, mainly because it's not enough of an action movie and that's what people really want (plus the leads all looked too young for the premise). I certainly hope they don't ditch the Superman theme music at least. Retaining that was the smartest thing they did!

  • July 11, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    If you loved the first Superman....

    by monkeyspanker

    You have to love Superman Returns. Why, they're the same damn movie. And yet, Superman Returns was the biggest turd I've ever seen. Uninspired, story completely stolen from the first movie. Lets see, both movies have - Superman crashing to earth. Superman cleaning up crime. Lex Luthor with an evil plot involving real estate. The damsel in distress that betrays, then helps Superman. The list goes on and on. Superman Returns wasn't even a new story. Fuck that movie. Let's not forget that somehow, kryptonite didn't have an effect on Superman at the end as he lifted an entire mountain full of it. He couldn't even stand up when he was walking on it, but now he can get under it and fly it off the planet? Turd, turd, turd. I know what would make you turd monkeys happy, let's get Michael Bay to direct it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • July 11, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I don't know why people compare X2 with...

    by TVguy4566

    the upcoming Superman sequel. The reason why X-Men 2 was superior to X-Men was because Singer had to dedicate a significant part of the movie to introducing about a dozen heroes and villians and set up the world X-Men exists in. The first movie in superhero series always suffers because of the need to introduce backstories for both the heroes and villians. Superman Returns had very little to none of that.<br><br> Singer decided to forgo reintroducing the whole origins of Superman and pretty much treated this movie as a sequel with the premise that Superman II only happened 5 years before the start of that movie. <br><br> I don't know if Singer would improve greatly on a Superman sequel unless he ditches his desire to recreate Donner's film down to making Routh play Christopher Reeves instead of Superman/Clark Kent and giving Luthor whacky sidekicks. <br><br> PS, that is what I hated about all the movies with Luthor in it. If Luther is such an evil genius, why would he surround himself with morons and ditzy broads?

  • July 11, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Where did that Aronofsky/Robocop headline go?

    by Knuckleduster

    I'm looking for that piece about Aronofsky possibly directing the new Robocop that came up a few days ago, and it's gone. Was it all just a dream? Was I drunk? Help?

  • July 11, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Jim Cavieziel is an asswipe....

    by Darth Macchio

    Sorry but the guy is a holier-than-thou douchebag. I know his personal life has nothing to do with his acting and abilities...I've seen a number of his films and he's always good...that one scene in "Pay it Forward' (the girl wanting to jump from the bridge) gets me everytime.<p>But at the risk of turning this TB into something it's not, I'll refrain from my personal reasons...let's just say that the guy is a fucking douchebag...and, in my personal opinion, he needs to just go away and be a carpenter or maybe a plumber...

  • July 11, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Hey Darth Macchio

    by D o o d

    You sound like you know the guy and he's done something terrible to you..!! Hang on, is that you Mel Gibson...???

  • July 11, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Clark, not Superman, should be chasing Lois

    by zapano

    There were many problems with superman returns obviously the lack of impressive action; the lack of a serious villain/threat to superman; lois lane's acting; the inclusion of a son in the story line. however the romantic focus was pure wrong and the way they played it out ruined the film even more. In the donner films, superman is never seen to be desperate for lois, never pining for, never stalking her. She comes to him because he's Superman and she cant' help herself. There should be definite distinction between Clark and Superman or else you lose dramatic tension arising from the double idenity. Superman is who we aspire to be, Clark is who we are. In Returns they were muddling the two identities. Also they did not spend enough on why we should look up to Superman, and too much time was spent on him being overty emo. The failures of Returns should not push to the sequel makers towards a darker representation of superman. They should focus on building up his stature, increasing the tension annd threats and don't include children into the mix!

  • July 11, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    What they did get right was...

    by zapano

    defintely the messiah theme, the donner influences, bringing him back to the farm. but that's about it, which surely is not a lot

  • July 11, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Singer knows how to

    by veritasses

    frame, shoot and edit a scene. He's actually very good at it. However, he's not very good at telling compelling "super hero" stories. The very definition of the genre requires a strong focus on situations that far surpass the capabilities of mortal men to handle. And I'm not just talking about physical hurdles for the protagonist to overcome. He can focus on relationships and other "human" issues but those need to be on a grander scale or in the context of something big or used to magnify the effects/consequences of other conflicts/decisions/situations etc. He's also not the type of director that seems to be able to evoke the most/best out of an actor so we end up with a story that's somewhat lacking acted out by people who aren't doing the most with the material. To be fair though there really aren't many people who can do super hero movies justice.

  • July 11, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    It's simple

    by WorldNeedsHeroes

    Superman is a boy scout who saves and help as many people as possible without expecting anything in return. He loves his country, and even when it's hard always chooses good. Make that movie, with a good story and lots of action and you'll make a fortune. A "deadbeat dad"? Good Lord, anyone who had a hand in that shouldn't be allowed in a 50 mile radius of the next movie.

  • July 11, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by Grand Moff Toht

    I thought he was Hellboy.

  • July 11, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    "Shatner as perry white"

    by wash

    Haha that's a fucking brilliant idea. I'm totally serious, bravo!

  • July 11, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    well, Leterrier's no Tim Story

    by oisin5199

    I think Leterrier was just fine for the type of Marvel movie they were going for with Incredible Hulk. That movie delivered everything it promised. Leterrier gets the comic book sensibility, he gets the importance of geeking out over the material and reaching out to fans. Story should have never been let near Fantastic Four. He had absolutely no business doing those movies with no relevant experience. That was the biggest mistake Avi Arad ever made with the Marvel films. So Leterrier beats Story hands down. But Hulk's still on the 2nd tier of superhero movies, whereas Superman is definitely first tier. But this story was mis-reported anyway so it doesn't matter. <p>About Mark Millar, this comment by Warren Ellis at a recent convention says it all - Ellis told a crowd about a recent email from Millar: "Hi, Warren! I've been wanking into a big pile of cash all night!"

  • July 11, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by Abominable Snowcone

    Your comments here are LOL sublime. Well done, my friend

  • July 11, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Yes Singer is a great filmmaker...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...Apt Pupil and of course, The Usual Suspects; but Returns did suck...not horrible unwatchable suck...but really god damn annoyingly almost unwatchable suck. Script and casting-wise, they basically got everybody wrong except Perry White (I think Langella had more to do with that than those butthole screenwriters or Singer). I put the bulk of the blame squarely on the shoulders of the writers and the rest of the blame on the casting; and I think maybe Singer lost his way, or at least his vision if he had one, during the whole process.<p>I'm not aware of any difficulties with the production but there were many purely 'ass' ideas in the script and I would have thought Singer to be able to go, "Wait a've got Superman getting beat up by Luthor's henchman due to the kryptonite continent one minute and then Supes picking up that giant kryptonie-infused continent in the next?" and then send in for re-writes or some new more capable screenwriters.<p>Me? I would have put it more like, "Are you buttmites fucking serious??! You're actually writing Kumar beating the shit out of Superman into my god damn script, you wanker assholes!?!?! Somebody get someone who was at least alive during the Donner film...someone who sees how Supes should be in film!!!" (as I think Supes is perfect in the 1st Donner film, not anybody else...especially Luthor, even with Hackman's genius performance...but I think Donner got Supes down just right and is the main reason Superman: The Movie is heralded as one of the greatest comic-book movies...perhaps).

  • July 11, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Ricky Henderson, there's hope for you afterall!

    by ganymede3010

    I'm glad one of the regulars agrees with me on the Hulk. However, I'm sure this cease fire will be broken once the new TF2 script leaks:)-

  • July 11, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    agree mostly, laserpants

    by wash

    Except Daredevil was actually superior to Superman Returns. Sure the dialogue and acting were a joke, but at least it had a better grasp on the characters and the action was much better. And no DD/Elektra baby.

  • July 11, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Why get a new director?

    by zooch

    Just let Singer make the damn sequel with more action. Maybe it will be good, maybe it won't. In the end it doesn't matter because it's Superman and most people don't care who directed it and will see regardless.

  • July 11, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Superman: The Movie

    by hank henshaw

    Yes, people love that movie. Now, the ending is entirely nonsensical. He can fly so fast that he can travel back in time, but not fast enough to stop 2 stupid missiles? At what speed were those missiles traveling? And when he goes back in time... what does it mean, that there are 2 Supermen (one saving Lois and one saving the dam) or just 1 that saved Lois and allowed the dam to be destroyed? I guess he saves Lois and then goes to save the town near the dam.

  • July 11, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    A new Batman movie opens next week

    by strosmer

    Thought you'd all like to know! I just hope there's no nipples on the costumes this time. That was pretty gay.

  • July 11, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay. Period.

    by Se7en

    Give script to somebody like Millar or Goyer. (Note : please no toilet humor or slapstick comedy this time Mr. Bay. Serious tone please). Now THAT would be AWESOME.

  • July 11, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Se7en

    Script by Goyer. Brandon Routh still in with powerful lines this time. Costume back to basic (STM). No 3D plastic 'S' emblem. John Williams. Bay directs and does not give dialogues or make scenes (leave it to Goyer). THE WORLD WILL WATCH IN AWE.

  • July 11, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Bay should do it.

    by depalma25

    I've been getting a lot of shit from my friends and other talkbackers about wanting Michael Bay to direct a Superman movie. In fact, I was very much against any rumors before Superman Returns that he would helm that film. There was just too great a chance, i thought, that it would be overblown. But after the disapointing Singer film and the way in which he added nothing to something as fantastic as a man flying, I've had a change of heart. Imagine Bay, with all his crazy ideas, being able to go nuts with Superman. Look, after Donner's version, it's pretty clear Superman is not a reverred property anymore. It's been shit for the last three films. It needs to be reinvented. And if that means an insane, breakneck paced Superman movie with characters too hip by half...I'm all for it. And if I have to hear that fucking "Lois" theme for one more movie, I'll fucking puke. In fact, lose the whole John Williams score. It is my favorite score of all time but, for christ sake, it was used for Superman 4: The quest for peace, and look how that turned out. Reinvent god damn the Man of Steel already!

  • July 11, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Superman: The Movie ...

    by DennisMM

    was not an action movie nor was it meant to be. It spent a lot of time establishing the characters and had three or four action sequences. Superman Returns also was not an action movie, nor was it meant to be. It spent a lot of time reestablishing the characters and conflicts and had three or four action sequences. Hell, the Batman movies - all six - aren't action movies in the sense Wanted is, and Batman & Robin was so full of running and punching and sky-surfing that I didn't know where to look (except at Uma's barely covered boobs). <br> <br> Superhero films are not by definition action films. Anyone who has read lots of Superman or Batman or Spider-Man comics (37 years for me) can tell you that typically there is some action at several points in a multi-issue story followed by a big action moment at the climax, with a fairly quiet denouement. But not always. Sometimes the climax is primarily emotional, with minor action or violence. <br> <br> Superman does not exist to punch things harder than anyone else could. He CAN punch things no one else could if needed, and that's PART of the character. Mostly, though, he's an outsider who has sacrificed much of his life in service to the planet that took him in. He is, as Alan Moore wrote, "a man who came from the sky and did only good." Similarly, Batman is a fantastic martial artist. He is first and foremost an investigator, though, something we've only seen in Batman '89 and, what a shock. Batman '66. Mostly, again, he's a man who has sacrificed much of his life to the service of the people - or thinks he has. As Frank Miller wrote, "He will become the greatest detective who ever lived - the very best. But at what price?" <br> <br> I've been watching the 1943 Batman serial from Columbia. Low production values, racial prejudice, some pretty poor writing and at its heart a strong if slightly simplistic performance by the actor playing Batman. His Bruce Wayne is very much the Batman of the '40s, but he is a man first and the Bat second. Superheroes are people. Turn an iconic property like Superman into a Michael Bay 'splodo film and it will be forgotten, another Spawn.

  • July 11, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by depalma25

    The chances of an introspective, drama of a Superman film is practically nill to none. I would be all for such a film but it aint happening. The formula for the Superman films has been exhausted. Something new has to be done.

  • July 11, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Leterrier and Singer are both pedestrian

    by reflecto

    The Incredible Hulk actually made me fall asleep, and was simply serviceable...not really very good. Ang Lee's, OTOH was brilliant. In-jokes and fanboy applause clues (OMG they showed a supersoldier vial! OMG "Richard Jones!") do not a movie make, kids.

  • July 11, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Leonard Pt.7?

    by Jick

    yes if with Cos, no if with Shia

  • July 11, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns 0.0

    by ComputerGuy68

    Kick his ass to the curb and reboot! Hulk proved it can be done - haven't seen it yet, (and I like Lee's version too). But SR was garbage, X-Men 1 was crap too, X2 is the only good action film Singer ever made. How many chances do we give a guy to make a mediocre first film that is suppose to be a franchise? Sure toss around a couple hundred of million cause we know the next one will be great! Real stupid logic there folks! If a guy can't hit it out of the park the first time, why reward him again? Oh I guess the studios like loosing money... <p> Yes X1 was done on the cheap, but what was the excuse for SR? Reboot!

  • July 12, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    ComputerGuy28 you're full of hot air...

    by depalma25

    Superman Returns made nearly $400 million dollars at the box office. Afer the numerous incarnations the studio had to pay for, and after distribution and marketing, Superman Returns netted profit of around $50 million, not including DVD sales. Do your homework before just blasting off at the mouth. Also, the new Incredible Hulk has grossed nearly the exact amount that Ang Lee's Hulk grossed in the same time. And X1 was hardly done on the cheap. It had a budget of nearly 80 million, not including marketing. Stick to being a ComputerGuy because you sure as hell aren't a movie guy.

  • July 12, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Ang Lee should do a one-of Superman

    by estacado1

    Then after that do the real reboot. Del Toro doing Superman would be interesting.

  • July 12, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    estacdo1... you're simply dumb...

    by depalma25

    ...why would Ang Lee or Del Toro do a Superman movie? WTF!? What moment, in what film, suggests that Del Toro would ever direct a Superman movie? He has expressed zero interest. It's not his type of film. Jeez, what are you talking about?

  • July 12, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I still think Caviezel should play Superman

    by DarthBakpao

  • July 12, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Oh Merde! J'espère qu'il l'aura!!!

    by ColloquiallyBorn

    The hell with Singer, I felt like he ripped Superman apart with his version of what happened after Superman II; in fact we can see that Singer never even saw the movie since Lane gets her memory swipped by Supe's kiss.­<p> We saw what he could do with X-Men, which respected some of the origins but not a whole lot, yet it worked since there are so much to chose from that a little bit of tweaking was accepted by the fan base.<p>With Superman he got Lane to risk the life of her kid, lex got a fortune that in a way which would never stand a chance in court (movie or not got to keep that sort of thing in check); White was .. well without a soul; Olsen was right out of a 50's movie and probably the biggest virgin on earth (even The Beauty and the Geek geeks looked at the character and went "At least I'm not that much of an idiot!"; Superman and Clark were the most secondary character of a movie based on them; the story was copied right from the first two movies and a bunch of comic covers (which means NO STORY!); and the rest was even worse.<p>I can give credit to Spacey for his interpretation of Lex, it was great, actually the only good thing about the whole movie..<p>Letterier did great with Hulk, even if it wasn't a total reboot he made it worked on so many levels. He could do great things with this one also.<p>Aller Louis, accepte le poste!

  • July 12, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    said it before, say it again. caviezel is superman!

    by ironic_name

  • July 13, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Will second the motion...

    by ColloquiallyBorn

    Caviezel would ,ake a great Superman. Needs a little bit more weight lifting but has the acting skills, and the face to pull it off.

  • July 13, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    and hes an ACTUAL adult

    by ironic_name

    rose byrne as lois.

  • July 13, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Caviezel is BATMAN

    by Live.

    Get out of here with that Superman bullshit. Caviezel is the perfect Batman!<p> Bale won't stick around forever, he's probably gone after his Bat trilogy is done. And JLA still needs to cast its own Batman also. You'll let the PERFECT Batman candidate and the only actor fans won't revolt against, be miscast as Superman??