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Doubt Quentin Tarantino All You Want - But INGLORIOUS BASTARDS Will Carve Its Mark Into Your Skull When It Is Done!
Hey folks, Harry here - First a warning. I recommend, that other than this piece - you stay away from reading any other review or article or talkback for INGLORIOUS BASTARDS. This film will be the best movie that Quentin Tarantino has made yet.
It is not an adaptation of the original exploitation War film called INGLORIOUS BASTARDS - In many ways - I'm not entirely sure if it is strictly a "Men on a Mission" film either. Oh sure - there's a mission. There are men. But there's so much more. There's revenge. There's a tender love story. There's the power of cinema, not as a metaphor, but as a literal tool to be something astonishing.
In a way - the film plays to me as something like GUNS OF NAVARONE meets MALENA meets CINEMA PARADISO along with a ton of just stuff we don't have references for. It does celebrate the possibilities within a cinematic universe and in many ways - it's not a gigantic movie in anyway other than ambition.
Much of the film takes place in Nazi Occupied Paris - and I couldn't help it as I read the script, but to imagine actors like Gregory Peck, Ingrid Bergman, Paul Henreid, etc in these roles as opposed to a modern cast. That said - God-willing - some brilliant studio will see that this isn't a recreation of history - slavishly playing to graven memory of war, but a film. A work of pure imagination unleashed upon the cinematic setting of World War II.
It's a movie meant to make you giddy about going to a movie. About what could be waiting for you inside. There's a hefty amount of subtitled sequences - as German, Italian, French are all spoken - along with English. This is there to just add to the illusion of reality. To lull you into a feeling of the real world.
This is a film about sacrifices and noble causes, about restoring possibilities to stories instead of limits. And it's about making an audience scream in elation. SCREAM. Audiences will scream, clap and cheer by the end of the film - Oh - and it is absolutely worth the wait. So happy.
You want to know a little bit about what happens?
Basically - it's a story about an all Jewish American unit sent behind the lines into Nazi Occupied France with the mission to kill as many Nazis and cause as much trouble as humanly possible.
It's also about a girl that saw her family killed that finds a home and a life as a theater operator in Nazi Occupied Paris.
It's also about the greater glory of the Third Reich - and how we all hate those guys!
Do not allow yourself to find out how everything comes together. Anybody that would spoil this film is just a complete evil fucking cocksucker of the lowest dog pissing on a wall to mark his territory variety. The script has just begun to leak - obviously others will get it - and like most of Quentin's scripts - I'm sure it will become widely available soon. All I'm saying is this - if you do get the script - respect others' rights to not have the experience ruined. If you read the script, you earned the spoilers - you read at an increasing rate of speed desperate to find out the next twist - and there's a point around the middle of the script where you realize where it is all headed - and you just hope to fucking god it gets there. Will it? Or does it give you something even better? I won't say - but be wary of the traditional media on this one. Those fuckers never respect the fun stuff. They'd ruin it in a heartbeat.
Me - I really want to just time travel to see Quentin's version of this movie - I hope he finds a studio that loves this as much as I do. I hope the casting live ups. I can't wait to see the trailers and the posters. I'm giddy. This is going to be so much fucking fun!
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Now i'm looking forward to this.
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Tarantino's career has run its course...
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Early at work, early to post
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Indeed as I just stated...I can not wait.
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I feel Harry's passion for film in all his posts but unfortunately this one will just bring all the QT haters out there to a lather. H cannot be trusted as a non-biased source, but I for one am psyched for this film and for the great international cast QT will bring to bear on this 'hopefully' epic story.
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If he's just ripping off other films again and chucking them together with a few waffly pieces of his own opinion pieces, unrelated to any actual character, then he's wasting his, and my, time. You're good with the hype, Harry, and as you describe it it sounds good but I have no faith in Tarantino left. He has exhausted it all through self-indulgent 'homages'.
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sigh. Yes, I look forward to this film, and I'm sure it will be good, but let's lay off all this Tarantino praise, he's not that great. kudos for including subtitles, I like it when war films do this.
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with the right cast and backing this could be a classic.
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First to use "Indulgent", you should get some kind of award for that, mostly based on your lack of originality.
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I havent read the script but its a safe bet,.I dig QT films for the most part but lately his movies have brilliant moments instead of being brilliant
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...are stolen from, uhm, sorry I mean "paying homage" to other movies? And more important: Could the movie also be released as one movie if you cut out something like at least 75% of the "cool" dialogue?
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in the entire script. When I reference GUNS OF NAVARONE - that's just a quality reference. Same with MALENA and CINEMA PARADISO. This is a film drunk in love with cinema, but not in cheap tricks, but what art means in the darkest times - and the possibilities and the outrage it can create in you. This is an EXTREMELY passionate work... and incredibly restrained in many ways. This isn't in the style of any of his previous work really. It's just completely different. Very faithful to period, but in his own particular manner. You've never seen WWII like this.
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I sort of agreeBut I also find it a bit hypocritical that on a site where fairly often things initially go up without spiler warnings that Harry arbitrarily decides that QT's script shouldn't be spoiled but others can be?
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All the best scripted entertainment (except for Wall E) out right now is serialized on some level. Mad Men, The Wire, the massive Marvel cross-over universe kick-off this summer. It allows for more time for the characters to grow and develop and I fully support it.
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Jul 10, 2008 8:15:11 AM CDT
I really want to see how the casting is gonna turn out
by the guy who slept through everything.
I don't want some Ocean's Eleven bullshit. Don't go with straight up A-List (even though he hasn't in the past). I want to be wowed with this, and Harry you really know how to hype shit up.
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Don't worry, I still will pay to see the fucking movie, but damnit I'm bored! I wanna see that script already!
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Jul 10, 2008 8:18:50 AM CDT
Oh, OK instead of Stallone, Willls, and Arnold it will now be...
by lanemyersclassic
Jerry Lewis, Buddy Hackett, and Shecky Greene. OK, Buddy may not make it. Woody Allen? Marty Allen?
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Better than "Pulp Fiction"?????????
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that he accomplishes his vision. People may not like it, but he gets the job done.
I loved the extras on "Death Proof". I remember Buddy Joe Jooker from the 70's. It should how QT works with his actors and has an enthusiasm that has great effect on his film making. -
But only regarding my last post.
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To make this movie?
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If rumors are true, Hitler and Goebbels are meant to attend a film premiere in Occupied Paris. Hitler rushed through Paris in three hours one morning in 1940; I'm not sure Goebbels ever got there. Not sure if QT is right for this material ...
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Jul 10, 2008 8:22:43 AM CDT
"will be the best movie Quentin Tarantino has made yet."
by kwisatzhaderach
He's never topped Reservoir Dogs IMO.
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ENOUGH with the hipster talk. Enough with the self analyzing, philosophizing, and pop culture bullshit. I don't want characters telling me I'm stupid for not seeing some old stupid movie that QT saw and I didn't. That sandwich scene in Kill Bill Vol. 2 is just downright embarassing. Death Proof was over bloated garbage. Someone needs to sit him down and tell him enough is enough. He's quickly going down the SHYAMALAN route.
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you said tool
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QT will be the first to make this happen. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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Tarantino deserves all of the praise he gets. He IS a cenimatic genious. Of course you disagree, but if he isn't, who is? This movie is by far my most antipated in a long time, and I agree with Harry in that, I really don't want this to be spoiled for me.
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Its really that good of a script? Your practically gushing.I mean Im serious I really dig QT films but Ive noticed the self indulgence in his movie making as of late.I mean he must micro direct each actor to the point Ive started to notice that it doesnt matter the character they all talk like him ,..I mean down to the awkward pause and then fast speak he does,...I just hope your on the money buddy...
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QTs casting is great and I doubt he'll fall into the trap of too many A-listers. Although his fasination with Michael Parks and Bowen might be a bit much.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Please email it to me at Paul.Sherman.Jr@gmail.com
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I'm not going to spend my time right now listing people who I feel are cinematic geniuses. Obviously, it's open for debate and to a certain extent also depends on personal taste or knowledge. I enjoy [most] QT films, and I do think he is a good director, but some people give him way way too much credit, and many of these people aren't even familiar with the works of other well known directors. I'm not pointing any fingers to any talkbackers, I'm just saying that to me, in general, that is what I've come to expect in from friends and people I've met in the real world. Ah yes, RL.
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Why does EVERY movie in Hollywood have to be about the plight of Jews? Been there, done that.
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let the aicn dick sucking begin ...
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obv QT gave Harry the script
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Why does no one focus on all the great ass shots in Deathproof. I mean I'll suck on toes as much as the next guy but Jungle Julia's panty strut is the real deal.
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that Brad Pitt has been offered some co-production/possible starring role in this? Just total invention or some sources that heard something? If Angelina Jolie was having your babies wouldn't you want to be in a QT WW2 movie? Non sequiter but there you go...
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...ten times better than the almighty Jackie Brown(still underrated and STILL his best- suck it Pulp Fiction!) to be "his best yet", and about twenty times better than JB just to wash that horrible Death Proof(AKA the Emasculation of Kurt Russell) taste out of my mouth.
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Does the title even work anymore? Maybe retitle it "Super-Jews Run Amuck".
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EVERY film SHOULD be about the plight of the Jews. And they will be, because, as a Jew, I control the media. MUWAHAHAHAHAHA!
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I wonder how he is gonna handle that? Can he really incorporate his faverites of the 50's, 60's, 70's etc. Or does he have fave music from the 30's and 40's? Music is always a big part of QT's movies. So besides the cast, studio and the script, I will be interested in this as well.
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Sorry. Truly I am.
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You know he wants in as the jewish american.
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I agree that it is a matter of taste to some extent, but there is a point that even if one does not prefer a certain style or genre of a director, one must ackowledge greatness still. Anyway, I'm extremely well versed in cenima and Tarantino is easily in my top 3 favorite directors. Overrated? Not a chance. But as they say, to each his own.
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I rest my case.
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That he was really casting Adam Sandler in this,I think that was a rumor along time ago since QT is in sandlers little nikki and good friends with him.
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DIRTY FOOKING JEWS CAUSE ALL THE WARS IN THE WORLD AND DROPPED BEHIND ENEMY LINES TO FIGHT THEM. *hick*
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Now that you have read the script, is there a place for Willis, Sly and Arnie...and Eddie Murphy? By the description of the script above, sounds way different that an all out older male driven WWII action fest. I hope I'm wrong and QT can still live up to the casting of SCHWARZENEGGER, STALLONE and WILLIS!
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IJ4? Which was MUCH less deserving... I agree about Harry being completely over the top in his hype building, but I have a feeling this movie will live up to it.
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Guess what nerd, QT is making movies and you are watching them. Simple as that. Bitch all you want about his time is over, and that you could do oh so much better. The guy is hit and miss, I agree, but this hate is just overwhelmingly a joke. It's not like his name is Uwe or Eli.
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That guy needs to get hated on.
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what happens with "...traditional media on this one. Those fuckers never respect the fun stuff".
Translation: If it gets bad reviews across the board, people just dont 'get' it.
The myth that 'these types of movies' you claim never get recognition by mainstream media are the same outlets that have been fawning over QT since Dogs. In fact in many ways the traditional media were much more forgiving of Death Proof than the fan-community were. -
As a charter member of the Evil Jewish Conspiracy (tm), let me just say that Tarantino wasn't our first choice on this one... but Spielberg was busy.
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Sounds fantastic. But there's no way it will make Cannes next year.
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Suck cock by choice. If this movie comes from the same retarded part of QT's brain that DEATH PROOF did, I'm sitting it out and officially giving up on Tarantino. I hope Harry is right but I have my doubts.
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Johny, I completely agree, although I loved Grindhouse as a whole. Planet Terror was a lot of fun.
Dramacidal, it can't be that because I'm extremely right wing, republican, and I LOVE Quentin Tarantino. A lot of my friends are the same. -
"Why does EVERY movie in Hollywood have to be about the plight of Jews? Been there, done that." Did they teach you much at school? World War Two???? anything ringing any bells there????
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...is because the movie is bad. And don't tell me "that's the point", that's just not a solid reason for some of the off the wall decisions made in the making of that film. Planet Terror was better- but only by a little bit. Both are D films (on the EW scale) on my most generous day.
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Other sites are claiming so.
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they'll be cut short ;-)
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I think Sandler could do a good job in the film. I am a little skeptical about the Jewish hit squad aspect, it seems to limit the variety of actors in the movie. Also Willis, Sly, and Arnold would be stupid, it's the definition of too many A-listers. Although, I'll say that a spot should be reserved for Warren Beatty, bring the original BILL BACK!!!!!!!!
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Just the fact that you reference the EW rating system completely negates any credibility you might have had... Seriously though, Deathproof was NOT a bad movie. It was a different movie than his earlier stuff and it is my least favorit QT film, however, I thouroughly enjoyed it, both in Grindhouse and the extended DVD.
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Quoting the EW scale you silly sally, go back to watching Tila Tequila re-runs on MTV...in fact, what time is it?...Tila's on now?
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Yes, I'm aware of the Holocaust that killed millions of Jews, Soviets, Romani, Poles, Slavs, gays, and the mentally challenged. I'm also aware of the hundreds of other genocides throughout history. What's your point?
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Jul 10, 2008 9:34:08 AM CDT
Eric Bana has the weakest fucking chin of any H-wood actor
by gruntybear
. . . and therefore cannot be considered "badass" by any stretch of the word.
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The hell are you talking about? All of QT's characters, in every film he's ever made, have been caricatures.
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...that I used the EW reference to show how I rated it, merely as a descriptor, and somehow that ruins my credibility. Heh, you must be a Tarantino fan "waitingimpatientlyforingloriousb astards"! I'm not downing your man, Jackie Brown is one of my favorite films of all time! And you're right, Death Proof was different from the early stuff- it was uninteresting, bland, and dull- things none of his other pictures are.
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A cartoon? Grind House and Death Proof were awful; but everything before those were amazing. I loved Kill Bill and I can't wait to see Bastards.
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Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill I & II were good. Everything else he has done is pants. He gets a free pass from this site but doesn't deserve one.
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It starred Bo Svenson and Fred Williamson. Obviously, Tarantino saw the same broadcasts. The movie itself is entertaining and is a "B" grade action flick at best. Tarantino's just taking the title and inserting his own story, albeit consolodated from other films. As he once wrote on the wall inside the defunct Virgin Megastore in Hollywood; "I steal from every movie I watch." We know.
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If any of us get laid tonight, it's because of Eric Bana in "Munich." And I'm not Jewish.
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You didn't like Jackie Brown? That film is seriously underrated.
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He said he makes 2 kinds of films 1 about "bad" people Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, and Jackie Brown, and films that those people would like to watch, those veering towards exploitation Death Proof and the Kill Bills. Everyone puts him in a box b/c his last 7-9 years have been committed to these Exploitation movies. He can and will be a greater film maker than the parts he is currently reduced to.
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Its taken him this long to get the screenplay right, why should he rush the production?
I liked how those older generation actors came to mind when you were reading it. The likes of Arnie, Stallone, Willis and Murphy better stay away. I'd much prefer the likes of Day- Lewis, Pitt, Depp, Penn, Cage. I'd say MAdsen is a shoe in. It'll be intersting which DP he picks, hopefully not Richardson. It would be great if Morricone did the music. Cheers Harry anyway, this sounds amazing! -
If Pitt is to play the leader captain of the rag tag BASTARDS, it just would not make sense to cast Sly, Arnie and Bruce. Pitt is a bad ass in tons of his films and does a really great job, but to lead the Terminator, Rambo and John McClain in to battle would be like Tom and Jerry leading Batman into battle.
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Hahaha, yeah, I am a QT fan. Did the name give it away? I was joking about using the EW reference... notice I said "seriously" afterwords. Still, EW generally sucks ass with their reviews, although I have to give them props for recognizing Pulp Fiction the way they did. Deathproof was his go at an exploitation flick, and it was incredibly entertaining. That was one of the best car chase scenes I've ever scene and it was all done for real, no CGI bull crap.
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that doesn't qualify as a spoiler, does it?
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Mori hinted it was 160 something pages in another thread, which is very sizeable and falls in line for the intended two-movie picture
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It was reported more recently that he said it would be about the same length as Pulp Fiction.
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while jackie brown is not pants
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160 pages is quite a big chunk to swallow, but hopefully the rumors of it being parted into 2 movies are just BS. A 2 1/2-3Hrs WWII flick would be better than the Kill Bill partition IMHO. Hope the Weinsteins grow some balls and let QT do it.
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I was actually enjoying the whole Grindhouse experience until QT unleashed its tedium on me. Not only was the film boring and the dialogue between the women insipid, that whole “Stuntman Mike is really a pussy” twist didn’t make a bit of fucking sense. And Kill Bill Vol.2 was mediocre as well. I loved the first part and was amazed at how badly QT executed the second half. That whole Superman speech by Bill at the end of the film is not only completely and utterly wrong, it was boring as hell. QT needs to hire an editor to trim down some of his bullshit dialogue because it really is getting out of hand.
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Fucking Pissant cannot even spell Bastards right once in the script that he sent to studios- he spells it "basterds." He couldn't be bothered spelling the title correctly. I notice no studio has stepped up yet? Oh right, 1995 is over.
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It's 165 pages not counting the title and table of contents. You could easily fit that in 2 hrs, 40 mins or so, following the page a minute rule of thumb. So, yeah, one movie.
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Let's have the script. Where are the links? We know it's out there. Anyone? Anyone?
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I'd hate to have this film spoiled, but isn't this the site that had no problem spoiling the ending to the new Terminator film and set-up to what is expected to be a new trilogy? Granted, in terms of quality of concept, script and director, I'm not trying to compare the two projects, but, um, to call out "TRADITIONAL" media for spoiling films? C'mon. And don't give me that "We originally ran it as a rumor so that's completely different" bullshit.
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Jews, the Holocaust = WW2. Such a hard connection to figure out. Why were the Nazis evil fuckers? Oh right, the Holocaust. Hello! In any case, a Paul Henreid, Gregory Peck WW2 film is a far cry from the macho bullet festival we've been hearing about for 10 years. It will be interesting to see how Tarantino goes from quality "Dirty Dozen" knockoff to "Cinema Paradiso". Hey Harry, is it more "Big Red One" Samuel Fuller than Enzo Castellari?
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but this will be better...
http://tinyurl.com/5o5o6z
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Has it already been made? Or do you mean you read the script? Or talked to QT about it? Not that it matters, I'm on board for whatever. QT rules, fuck the haters.
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I love Pulp Fiction and R. Dogs, I enjoyed Kill Bill Vol. 1 and liked parts of Vol.2 I like Jackie Brown but thought it was lacking as a follow up to Pulp Fiction and I loathed Death Proof. I like QT but I think he's running out of steam and his whole homage slant is getting old fast. This film sounds interesting but regardless, DP left a seriously bad taste in my mouth.
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well according to the hollywood reporter anyway
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Right. WWII was about the holocaust. That's why American enetred the war after the fact. It's a little more complicated than the U.S, savign the Jews my friend. It was a WORLD war. Remember Spain, Italy, Japan? There are certainly many stories from WWII that could be told rather than another tired Jewish holocaust diatribe. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic. It was a disgusting tragedy and a dark period in the history of man. It's just getting stale and I'm tired of having the plight of the Jews crammed down my throat in every film I see. I get it. They pretty much own Hollywood (and yes the media - let's get real), they have their homeland, they're the dominate military force in the region by far, and the U.S. writes them an annual unconditional blank check for millions thanks to their lobbying power in this country. Cry me a river.
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You may want to buy a dictionary, Harry.
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... he appeared on american idol - i dont watch that crap, but i heard about it - i wonder what part he will give himself in this new movie - he could be bob hope doing a uso tour - the resemblance is uncanny
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To read between the lines can pretty much tell what the twist in this film is going to be from what Harry has written here. When a MOVIE is a tribute to MOVIES, well, there's only one way that can be done... I'm not a QT fan (I own exactly one of his films, by far his best: Jackie Brown), but this has definitely piqued my interest. Would someone with the script do a fellow geek a solid? RudeRabbit@aol.com
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Everytime you hate on QT a kiten kills a retard
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Jul 10, 2008 10:49:33 AM CDT
KILL BILL Is The Ne Plus Ultra of QT Related Products & Services
by laserpants
Fact. Also, Reservoir Dogs is overrated. Good, sure, but overrated. Pulp Fiction is his best, objectively, but KILL BILL is my fave. It hit all my buttons.
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Is QTs next Grindhouse project.
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When is the frakking single cut coming out?
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It's not that QT couldn't be bothered to spell correctly, he just never lets anybody proofread or copy-edit his work. Watch any of his films and you'll see characters who are supposedly very intelligent (well-read and/or college-educated) using poor grammar and malaprop. Example: Elle Driver says to The Bride, "Point in fact, I despise you." Anyone with a grasp of the English Language knows the expression to be "In point of fact," but QT refuses to let anyone copy-edit his scripts for grammatical flaws. I love the guy's talent for expression, but he needs to realize that he does have weaknesses. As it stands, the grammar problems just jar me out of my suspension of disbelief.
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whether we want to be or not. This is the kind of movie everyone is going to want to talk about and with the casting talk that will be flying everywhere, spoilers will probably be on CNN.
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where can I get the script????
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Referring to the script as a film before it's even made is wrong. And declaring it a great film before it's even made is ridiculous.
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Here’s how this flick will go down
Soldier one: F you ya F’ing nazi
Nazi: F you ya yankee
Soldier two: what the F are you F’ing talking about…you don’t talk to Tank Man like that you F’ing kraut
Nazi: und heeeeemel
Soldier three: let’s F’ing cut the F’ers F’ing head off. You F’ing cool with that Tank Man?....how bout you Paratrooper Fred?
Solder one: don’t go F’ing nuts Foxhole Bill…this F’ing Kraut could lead us to the F’ing producer of the propaganda movie that’s already been made. He’s the F’ing F’er we need to kill cuz that will end this F’ing war!!!!!
Nazi: zee F’ing HAIL!
Soldier two: hey is that an F’ing A bomb falling from the F’ing sky?
BA BOOM!
THEEE END!
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Kelly's heroes + Te Dirty Dozen + anachronistic pop culture references = Inglorious Bastards.
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Calling it Tarantino's best before anyone's been cast, never mind the film being shot, is just plain ridiculous. Call yourself a critic, Harry? Calm down and get your tongue out of Quentin's ass.
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I agree with you and commend you on saying that you suggest to readers not to read spoilers that come along in articles and talkbacks... that said, isn't that what AICN is all about?????? What have you been doing these last ten or so years? But this one script deserves a no spoiler existence??? Doesn't every film deserve this? You don't seem to have a problem ruining the experience for a number of other films. It just sounds hypocritical.
Beyond that, your comments seem a bit naive and read more like you are once again suffering from geekamonia.
It may be an enjoyable script to read for a film buff, but playing it off like it's going to be QTs best yet is just naive. On top of that, you mention his use of subtitles as "there to just add to the illusion of reality. To lull you into a feeling of the real world." You're talking like no other film has used subtitles before. You're acting like no other WAR movie has used subtitles before. That QT's use of subtitles is some epiphany.
You had a great time reading the script, fine. I'm hoping QT does deliver something original... something focused on a story rather than geek nostalgia... something he hasn't done since Pulp Fiction and the better parts of Jackie Brown.
But damn, the things you say about this script just make it seem like A) You're trying to dam the QT backlash and B) Your mind is clouded by geekness. Hey, we all get clouded like that... but step down from the clouds and don't declare Inglorious Bastards to be some masterpiece until you see the final product. A lot can happen in the development and production of this flick. I hope it's awesome and I'm glad to hear the script is a great read... but settle down and don't jump the gun. Just makes your recent reputation with reviews a bit more worse... as far as your mind being clouded.
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You're on the wrong site - you want Mel Gibson's damnthosejews dot com. Me, I'm sick of my fellow Italians in the biz. Filthy goddamn wops, let someone else direct a mafia movie! And those actors with the "O" at the end of their names...makes me sick. Go back to what you're good at, a-making the ice-a cream-a. Dago scum. It's obvious the film business would be so much better if it was run exclusively by WASPs with Connecticut lockjaw and sweaters tied around their neck. Where are all the films about Polo???
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I wholeheartedly agree. Quentin uses SUBTITLES in a war film? How novel! Given, the majority of famous WWII films just had Germans sepaking English with an accent, but it's hardly breaking the mold. But, of course, because it's Quentin Taratino, Harry feels the need to remind us all of how subtitles enforce reality in a film, and how we should all be grateful that his buddy Quentin will be using them.
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time to crack open that thesaurus. i keep mine by the toilet for reading.
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Before today, every interview with QT has talked about how these men are criminals who escape after being attacked by the Germans, then try to make their way to Switzerland. Now today. everything I read is talking about just Jewish soldiers on a secret mission type thing. So wtf? Are they still criminals at all?
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...a brother up with a copy of the script if anyone has it. I promise I'll forward it to at least 25 other people who want it. C'mon geeks, we gotta get this shit out there!
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My e-mail address is Tarantinoholic@gmail.com for that script. Go ahead and flame away!
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QT's MO now was to just slap his name on any promising Asian flick.
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I'll be there opening day with all the petty, shit-talking Tarantino bashers, paying full price to sit there first showing and grumble "self-indulgent" "hack" and "nuked the fridge" to themselves in the dark as they sit alone and pout with their arms crossed while everyone else has a great time.
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is because ever since kill bill part one (his re-emergence) its been crammed down the publics throat that if you dont like his movies your an idiot with no wit or taste - plus, every public appearance the guy makes he makes an ass of himself - he hasnt any humility or modesty - he pimps himself and his movies like some lame gangsta rappa with an ounce of the talent he boasts having - no director that really cares about movies should want to become some gossip rag celeb-personality whos name has become some fake stamp of zeitgeist-coolness - unless of course that was his intention from the start
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Not going to defend anyone's stance on Jews, but Sgt Steiner really was talking complete shite!
Go back and read his post about how WW2 was about German traetment of Jews (I paraphrase). I know that Americans sometimes can take liberties with historical accuracy, but that really is taking a, pretty much, global conflict and reducing the reasons behind it to extreme simplification.
Plus Hobocode's point is extremely valid. As everyone at the time knew all about it, including both the British and US Governments, if you felt so badly about it, how come it took until 1942, and only after the Japanese had attacked your main Pacific base (so actually bugger all to do with the Nazi threat to Europe or their treatment of the Jews and others)did you manage to get involved?
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DP just sucked so much ass.
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Don't think I can sit through 30 minutes of him uttering "Like, You Know" and "Fucking, Fuck," with every other word like he did for the anniversary edition of Reservoir Dogs. Seriously Dude, expand your vocabulary a little, it won't hurt.
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all this talk of WW2 and america's involvement reminds me of that robot chicken sketch, the lil hitler one. where the american kid doesnt give a shit about what lil hitler is doing to class until the japanese kid pushes his desk over. "now...its my problem" lol
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Jul 10, 2008 12:05:20 PM CDT
"It's a movie that makes you giddy about seeing a movie"
by bitterman23
And yet every one of you internet journalists are spoiling that by reading the goddamn script. Why not just, I dunno, SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE FIRST AND EXPERIENCE IT THAT WAY?
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Jul 10, 2008 12:08:13 PM CDT
Because we know QT reads the talkbacks...THIS ONES FOR YOU
by theredtoad
PLEASE CAST ARNOLD. If not Sly, we need another badass Arnold movie like women need another hole between their legs!
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My name's Buck and I'm here to...
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Death Proof was boring crap and played more like a parody of Tarantino than as one of his own. QT needs to find some new schtick fast, and this is coming from a guy who organised showings of Reservoir on laserdisc way back when... oh and the last time I got promised a kick ass ending thet audience would go nuts for on this site was for HOSTEL 2... or as I call it the turd from the nerd.
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I don't disagree with any of that... Although it could be argued that FDR wanted to get engaged long before the American people were ready and deliberately pushed the Japanese into attacking to rouse the isolationist public. Once the American people "woke up" to the threat, I don't think it was purely self interest. The US was still pretty far from the fight. Anyway, none of what you u said minimizes what we did in that crucial war and I think Americans have a good reason to be proud. (Allow us a few things to be proud of, or is that your point, that we should be ashamed of not doing anything sooner? In which case, the whole world is guilty and the whole world was acting only in self-interest) But as for the Jews running the media bullshit - I'm just so tired of it. The actual owners of media tend to be bigtime WASPs (Sumner Redstone, anyone? That ruddy-faced motherfucker looks like the lost Duke Brother from Trading Places), it's the creative people that are disproportionately Jewish. You know why? Because they're more talented at creating entertainment than any other ethnicity. It's like saying the NBA is too black. Talent is the standard, period. So anyone who's playing count-the-Jews on their favorite shows or movies clearly have some issues and they need to get over it. Like I said, I'm Italian - we're almost as good as the Jews. :D
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darthlowbudget @ gmail.com is the direction to aim.
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Learn how to spell you vapid cunt infection.
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Where is it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nothing will ever top Pulp Fiction. You crazy Harry, you crazyyyyy
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QT works the Word "Kike" into this thing like nobodies business. I predict this word will be his new "nigger", owing to the fact it will be too hard for him to work an African American Jew soldier into the storyline. I'd also venture to guess that we can expect to see Uma as a renegade Gestapo agent, who is hiding her secret jewish identity, and has a habit of walking barefoot through concentration camps (que closeup of Uma's huge flippers in mud).
I ALso predict that by the end of this film we will all know how to say "Fuck", and "Motherfucker" in German, Italian, Yiddish, and French.
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A jews behind enemy lines movie coming out in december. The idea of this movie has a very "been there done that" feel to it. Why don't they make more WW2 movies where the Japanese are doing crazy shit and people have to stop them? I at least haven't seen that in a while. Nazi's got really old especially when movies Hellboy have them as baddies.
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Who'd a thunk it?
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I thought by this far into the talkback someone would have posted a list of every working big name jewish actor to cast in this film.
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His directoral output of this decade basically being nothing more than films that do nothing more than take post-modernism to the breaking point. I like post-modernism in film, but there are limits, especially when that becomes the point of the film. Hopefully with Inglorious Bastards Tarantino will go back to putting in homages that fit into the story, not fitting the story to cram in homages.
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Why should we buy into this shit anymore? Tell me when Nolan's next project comes up.
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Who's the racist? What a crock this statement is. Jews aren't any more capable of entertaining than any other ethnicity, Rebeck, they're just given more opportunity in the business. Why? They're either born into the business or they're given chances because of nepotism or their ethnicity.
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haahahahahah!!! tell me when Nolan's next project comes up. hahahahahaa!!! oh, man, that was good. i haven't laughed at someone like that in a while. 'who gives a shit about Tarantino, tell me about the cartoon superhero director!' hahahahahahaa!!!!
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Of Course! "Who's Next!"
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Zohan isn't enough?
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in the movie there will be a scene where -/\/\/\/\/\/ Carrier signal lost /\/\/\/\/\/\-
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Jul 10, 2008 1:21:49 PM CDT
Is it possible to apologize for a movie before a single frame is
by mattyboy122
Is it possible to apologize for a movie before a single frame is shot? Because that's EXACTLY what this article sounds like. The Jewish squad is also disappointing; does Pitt look Jewish? Arnold? Willis? Stallone? And saying Jews are just better at producing entertainment is ridiculous, plain and simple. The reason they run Hollywood is because Edison enforced the protection on his patents in the East, so they fled West where they could basically use his patents without paying him, all the while building studios. Carl Laemmle, anyone? At any rate, Jews have managed to maintain control over a good deal of studios, and tend to flood their products with Jews (see: the vastly disproportionate number of Jews in films, TV, etc compared to the population).
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http://scorethefilm.blogspot.com/2008/07/cut-throats-1969.html
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Well, there just went any interest I had in the movie. Right on, QT, way to rip off Munich. Zzzzz...
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Jul 10, 2008 1:40:47 PM CDT
to keep up from hating this, i will ignore everything Harry says
by bmacsmith
just reading him gush over these movies kinda makes me hate them a little. but then i realise its not the movies fault. so i'll avoid the AICN hype machine on this one.
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I'm by no means anti-semetic, but this seems like a thinly veiled attempt to pander to (zionist) studio execs in a bid to secure QT a deal. Who's going to be cast in this squad? I was hoping for a multi-racial/creed squad of salty miscreants ala Dirty Dozen/Kelly's Heroes/Predator etc. Having all Jewish central protagonists is surely going to marginalise the audience? Gone off the boil about this now, concerned it's going to spiral into an unremitting stitch-up of overwrought dialogue scenes and euro-cinematique pretension. Dammit, I feel cheated now.
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Egooutofcontrolisis....He last great film was Pulp Fiction, nearly 14 years ago!Since then he has made Jackie Brown, pretty good, Four Rooms short, ok, Kill Bill 1 and 2, average, and the pathetic Grind House Death Proof. He is going the way of M Knight in the sense that every new movie is worse than the last one. I really didn't think M Knight could make a more pitiful movie than Lady in the Water, but damn, The Happening went and proved me wrong! I hope QT can get back on track and make a good movie and get his career back on track. I will avoid reading the script and wait for this to come out at the theater and hopefully be pleasantly surprised. The sound track will be interesting for this movie, perhaps he should call up John Williams and get a real score for his movie...
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When the heck is The Whole Bloody Affair being released???
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Wasn't this supposed to be about a bunch of hardass GI criminals?
Weren't they either supposed to be on the run from both the Allies and Axis *or* be on some sort of get-out-of-jail-to-kill-some-Nazis furlough?
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OMg rolf rofl u r rite he make TWO superhero movies rofl!!1 Perhaps you'd like him if he made a movie about a killer car or made references to cereal in speeches that you'd only hear on a movie screen.
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They all end up in some Eastern European town and start up a torturing buisness?
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Jul 10, 2008 1:58:42 PM CDT
What saved Death Proof from becoming an abomination of diarrhea
by samuraiyao
Was the action chase scenes... Tarantino knows how to shoot an action packed scene. Don't give a shit about dialogue and story, a badass action scene is what makes Tarantino an awesome director...
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...I honestly don't give a flying fuck what Tarantino does next, I won't be wasting money on it. I mean sure, Four Rooms was a fucking mess, but I thought, hey, anthology films often are, and I forgave him that. Jackie Brown was a mediocre posturing bore, but I thought, hey, at least it had a couple of great performances, so there's some worth there. Kill Bill was an overblown self indulgent wank, but I thought, hey, some of "part 1" was kind of fun at least. But for Death Proof there can be no excuss, it was just such an absolute filmic abomination. And now I look back at Tarantino's other efforts and I wonder if I wasn't being too kind in my excuses for why those films weren't as good as they promised to be. Hell, even Pulp Fiction feels rather hollow to me these days, with only the great ensemble performances of much of the cast elevating it from the pretty stock standard vignette film that it is. Reservoir Dogs still rocks me hard though, despite the film being a pretty blatant theft at it's core. Once upon a time I would have been excited for a new Tarantino film, but no more. Maybe he can make a qualirty come back, but more likely this will just be another over-long, stretched out, pandering, self indulgent ego wank of a film from Tarantino, and I don't need to see that yet again thank you very much. Prove me wrong Tarantino, I dare ya.
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Amen.
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thanks for the script review and i appreciate the warning re spoilers, but how do you and the others on AICN cope with having effectively spoiled it for yourselves?
I get that some folk don't mind being spoiled, but don't you ever wish that you hadn't read the script for INGLORIOUS BASTARDS
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Then stop bragging about stuff you're not supposed to be talking about! I'm tired from all the times I've come to this website to read something like "Wow! I just read the most amazing, most incredible script in the whole planet, but I can't tell you about it". Ugh. I guess if you're coming from the backround everyone that writes on this site comes from, it must feel nice to lord all that secret stuff over everyone's head. It's the whole "Doomsday Machine" concept from Dr. Strangelove, but with film geeks and scripts instead of military people and nuclear weaponry.
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AICN Bastards. Now, that would be one fantastic movie.
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Please. Gotta read now. Please email me at tharlow007@yahoo.com. Thank you.
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You know, someone simply saying "I'm tired of Holocaust-related movies" or "I want to see movies that DON'T have Nazi villains in them" is perfectly acceptable. It's a very valid opinion.
However, in almost every case, once the surface is scratched a bit, more sinister items unfortunately tend to arise in people stating those things.
Case in point: HoboCode.
This guy simply couldn't leave it at that. And why, you may ask? Well, he used to be known as Node1337 (numbers may vary) and has gone on record saying that he thinks Israel should be dismantled, that Lenin was a "hero" and that Stalin's atrocities were in part due to "outside pressures". He's a histrionic and repellent Communist although he likes to refer to himself as a "Trotskyist Social Democrat", which is funny in more ways than I can currently count.
Nothing HoboNode says, absolutely NOTHING, is disconnected from his ghastly politics. He's the left-wing version of BraneRobot.
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Jul 10, 2008 2:46:19 PM CDT
QT could film a turd for an hour & a half and Harry would love i
by heckles
...oh wait, he already has. Deathproof. Hopefully Tarantino pays you for verbally whoring yourself out. Not that integrity has ever been a point of contention, as the AICN brand litters the cover of several direct-to-video suckfests. Harry, you're swinging on the nuts of a former great. You're like a groupie for The Eagles.
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The Jewish angle is that it all seems rather obvious and heavy-handed. And we all know QT is not known for his subtlety. I think a different filmmaker could make a very interesting film about a Jewish-American squad (granted, kind of a far-fetched notion in itself - other than African-Americans and Japanese-Americans, squads were not put together by ethnicity) but QT is not that guy. He does exploitation and proudly so. How's that gonna' jibe with this subject matter? Awkardly, is my first guess. I'm not a fan of his, but I'm always ready for a good movie.
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Please send to rcpweiner@hotmail.com if you can. Thanks!
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would've cranked out during his Shock Corridor period if he had made more movies during that time.
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...and I'll love you forever. bink311@msn.com
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I know we're complaining about the "all Jewish" commando unit not being the same thing we were promised, but we really can't complain because we're just not cool enough to READ THE FUCKING SCRIPT! AAAAAAAGHHH! Add me to the list of poor worthless supplicants who want the script!
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I mean, it feints at being a full-on grindhouse war flick, but then turns into a shockingly affecting character piece. For those of you who couldn't stand DEATH PROOF (and I am most assuredly *not* with you on that), you'll be happy to know that INGLORIOUS BASTERDS is, structure-wise, one masterfully crafted suspense set-piece after another. It's just a damn good story.
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I have a tip for Hobocode or node or whatever it is: Watch a fucking Western. Just stay away from The Frisco Kid.
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Now I'm officially pissed. So the whole staff has read the goddamn script? Shit! Pick a spokesperson and stick with them, because I'm starting to take this personally!
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You got me. The "Trotskyist Social Democrat" description was an error, I'll give you that. I inadvertantly mixed up my terminology.
To clarify for others, and as you already know but would rather ignore, I believe the CURRENT INCARNATION of Israel should be dismantled. The so-called democracy and poster-child for Mideast politics that through its own constitution, systematically subjugates whole portions of its population based on their race and religion. That IS NOT a democracy and it is NOT an acceptable or viable state.
And I said Stalin's atrocities were IN PART due to outside capitalist forces. And Lenin was not perfect, but he not the rabid slathering monster throwing anybody who disagrees with him into the gulags that you want to make him out to be. He simply threw the oppressive figures and supporters of the former tsarist regime in those work camps they themselves created. -
Jul 10, 2008 3:12:00 PM CDT
Verstehen Sie die Wörter, die aus meinen Mund herauskommen?
by quin the eskimo
Deshalb starrte deutsches psychics Zweiter Weltkrieg an. Sie konnten in die Zukunft sehen. Gehen Bumsen Ihre Mutter.
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There you have it from his very own fingertips:
He's a Stalin apologist.
A. Stalin. Apologist.
As anyone with a shred of decency can see, HoboNode is simply a shrill, ghoulish, left-wing extremist cockbag not one iota better than that right-wing scumsucking maggot, BraneRobot.
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Will you send me that other thing we talked about? RudeRabbit@aol.com
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Just out of curiousity, HoboNode, are there any other nations on Earth whose oppressive policies you feel validate a dismantling of said nations? Not a reformation, an amended Constitution or political makeover, but a DISMANTLING.
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Jul 10, 2008 3:20:01 PM CDT
Who the hell are they going to cast in an all Jewish platoon?
by sledge hammer
I guess they have plenty of actors to choose from...
Shia LaBeoufRobert Downey jrDavid SchwimmerAdam SandlerJake GyllenhaalJeremy PivenJeff GoldblumWilliam ShatnerBen FosterJoaquim PheonixDustin HoffmanBen StillerJonah HillJoseph Gordon-LevittAdam GoldbergSteve GuttenburgDustin DiamondSeth RogenDavid ArquetteCole HauserMatthew BroderickSacha Baron-CohenAdrien BrodyJason IsaacsLiev SchreiberDavid DuchovnyAdam BrodyJames FrancoScott CaanJames CaanHarvey KeitelMartin LandauMichael RosenbaumCorey FeldmanCorey HaimJosh CharlesOded FehrSeth GreenRichard DreyfussKevin PollakGabriel MachtNoah WyleMichael RappaportJack BlackHank AzariaJon StewartAyre GrossTed RaimiRon PerlmanMandy PatinkinRob SchneiderRob MorrowSteven WeberAlan ArkinAdam ArkinMichael VartanScott WolfJonathan SilvermanAlex WinterHarvey FiersteinRick MoranisAlbert BrooksRichard BelzerPaul ReubensPaul ReiserDavid PaymerRichard SchiffEugene LevyBob SagetJerry SeinfeldStephen TobolowskyDan HedayaVictor GarberGary ShandlingSaul RubinekWallace ShawnWoody AllenJeffrey TamborHarry ShearerSteven BerkoffHenry WinklerElliot GouldCharles GrodinGene WilderRon Rifkin
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Well at least I'm not the one resorting to childish namecalling (at the moment). Tell us again how recognizing one of the reasons Stalin committed his atrocities, and not just the ones in your middle school history text, makes me an apologist for his behavior.
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Of course I don't mean going in there forcebly and removing the current regime and occupying it, ala Iraq. A reformation or an amended Constitution IS what I mean. Perhaps the word dismantling was an extreme choice of words, if I even originally used it. I'm sure you'll waste your time tracking it down for us though. Even if i did say it you still willfully misinterpreted its meaning and bashed me, instead of simply asking me to clarify my point.
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Приготовьте для больше говоря пунктов. Теперь, мы любим еврейства. Мы как раз любим Иран больше, ' причина они настолько милый и привлекательный.
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Wallace Shawn, Woody Allen, Harvey Feirstein, Rob Schneider, Bob Saget, Paul Ruebens, Rick Moranis, Jack Black, Dustin Diamond, Eugene Levy, Seth Rogen, Corey Feldman, Corey Haim, and William Shatner as Lee Marvin. Now that would get my money as only the most fucked up thing ever could...
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Pitt as a Jewish commander? Open your eyes. He's fucking Aryan! Pitt (hopefully) will play a villian in the German ranks. Anyone else feel that?
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Film it in noir B+W.
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I don't speak Russian but I do speak a little German and I do understand the words "coming out of your mouth." "Go fuck your mother" was it?
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... that Tim Roth is gonna play Hitler in this thing? He's been attached to it for so long, and I really think he'd fit.
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A real American hero! GI Jew will dare! A real American hero! GI Jew is there! GI JEW!!!! Yo Jew!
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How it makes you an apologist? Because you are making excuses, at least in part, for his atrocities. Imagine someone saying the same things about Hitler and maybe you'll get the point.
As for dismantling, you clearly said you don't believe in a two.state solution, meaning Israel goes bye-bye. You don't voice the same stringent measures for ANY OTHER country on Earth.
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Oy Vey! No more with the shooting and the running and the raping and the fighting already! My lumbago!
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Crafty assumption on Quin's part of the two most likely places your inherent predjudice might have been 'born'. I would have bet on the Russian though.
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You're still offering up your semi-coherent anti-semitic ramblings? You're been on this site ALL DAY. Get a fucking job.
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"Prepare for speaking points more. Now, we love Jewries. We just love Iran more, ' the reason they so lovely and attractive."
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Антисемитизм очень глубок в русских людях, и все еще хлопает it' головка s уродская вверх раз в промежутке времени.
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True story. I was there.
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"Anti-Semitism is very deep in Russian people, and it ' the head s ugly upwards time in a time interval still claps."
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Second part got lost in translation... "even now lifts it's ugly head every once in a while".
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Nice catch!
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How do you know I don't hold the same standards to every other country. Damn sure do, chief. You just choose to think I don't. I can't recal lwhat I said exactly but I believe I said or insinuated that I didn't think a two state solution would work, not that I was opposed to the idea necessarily.
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Ok, I'll buy that Jackie had much more nuance than the average QT charcater, but she was still based a cartoonish Blaxploitation character. And by your rational, I would say Beatrix has just as much complexity and nuance as Jackie. Just my opinion...Biatch.
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or a link to where I can find it! If anyone can get me the script, I'll be more than happy to send the David Hayter draft of the Watchmen script in return. Email me at psycofirek@gmail.com !
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They may be too old, now. Grumpy Old Hitmen.
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You stated quite clearly in an earlier talkback that you opposed a two-state solution for the same reasons you supported the dismantling of Israel. Man, you just try to slime your way out of everything, don't you? Not surprising considering that you're nothing but a shrill, brainless mouthpiece who does nothing but spout Marxist-Leninist buzz words which you can't back up.
And being a Stalin apologist makes you just as bad as BraneRobot when he defends Milosevic's massacres as the result of "outside" influence.
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The political science major in me wants to debate some of these points so badly. Put it this way, there's a reason why post-colonialism led to brutal totalitarian regimes in states like Iraq, The Congo, and the other Middle Eastern, Central Asian, and North East African countries. On the converse there is also a reason why states that shared an equally long and brutal colonial experience such as India, Ireland, and South Africa have developed into stable functioning democracies. It is the same reason democracy could flourish in a post-colonial country like Lebanon if the Syrian Thugs and the Israeli hegemony would stop fighting proxy wars against each other within its borders. There are obvious reasons why and how democracies come into being. But ever more subtle are the reasons for totalitarian states. States whose governments consume their people, who commit atrocities simply to defend power, whose function is not to defend their people so much as to defend themselves from their people. A totalitarian state is one that is in a state of crisis, constant and without end. And until the crisis is solved the totalitarian government will continue. However a problem arises. A man without power wants power. A man with power wants more power. Considering the nature of humans and power, those in power in a totalitarian state often perpetuate the crisis in order to maintain, expand, and broaden their power. So, really, if you want to talk about this crap I'm down.
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when is it set? 1944/5?
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I'm not interested in rehashing your freshman year polysci course but are you sure about your lamely simplistic philosophy? Have YOU been on the receiving end of Western imperialism? Didn't think so.
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But I am an American of Irish Catholic descent. My ancestors fled when they were starving people. There's a democracy there now. Just curious Hobocode, what do you consider Imperialism?
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ShitforBranes said that Sbrenica was "cracking some eggs to make an omelette." I don't recall him saying anything about outside influences but then again I got the information second hand. If anybody's a slimeball it's you for being a fucking hypocrite willign to apologize for Israel's oppresive and murderous actions. Go fuck yourself you imperilaist, racist whore.
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Have you ever been a victim of Western Imperialism, and if not then justify insinuating that I'm arguing from ignorance when by your standards you are equally ignorant as well. K THX :-*
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Pam Grier's Jackie Brown was an amazingly nuanced and complex character? That's not what i saw.
In 1997-1998 I saw two Elmore Leonard adaptations in the space of twelve months: one of them was excellent and one of them was distinctly overrated.
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Neither Ireland nor India suffered colonial indignities in the ways you infer. Ireland's relationsship with Britain is somewhat more complex, and India suffered rather more under the East India Company and corrupt locals than it did under direct British rule, who slightly got stuck with the mess of sorting it all out. South Africa's only got its house in order in the last generation, and the peace there is a tad fragile, so it's a little early to judge (see also Northern Ireland). As for Israel/Palestine? There's no answer; there can only be accommodation (again, see Northern Ireland), though the situation is somewhat (understatement!) more complex in the Middle East. By the way, if you go to aint_it_hamas.com there are excellent movie threads...
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that is just insanity. You cannot possibly believe that.
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And besides Taratino's innumerable spelling mistakes (Basterds anyone?) it's gonna make a pretty good movie at the least.
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I'm not the one baselessly judging people under the yoke of imperialism.
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I'm not an apologist for any country besides my own, and even then only to non-americans. In regards to Israel, I don't agree with anything so radical as dismantling the entire state. Israel exists, and it will exist, and as any country with a government and citizens and borders should, it *should* exist. However the definition of a "democratic nation" is very broad and I have some serious problems with the near-apartheid situation in the Occupied Territories. But to act as if one side doing something that is wrong is justification for the other side to do something in retribution is the same idiocy that has created the present situation. The reality is that both sides have ignored or scoffed at UN Resolutions. Both sides kill each other. Both sides are at times equally wrong and equally right. I don't want to get into the whole history of the region (although maybe I should because you seem tremendously ignorant) suffice to say it is about time for the United States to re-examine its relationship with Israel and how it is beneficial to the United States. It is perhaps time for Israel to give us something in return for our loyalty, other than new enemies.
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I think you misunderstand me a little bit. I'm not trying to say that it's easy for post-colonial countries to become democracies. It's very difficult. There's no doubt that colonialism and exploitation help to exacerbate longstanding problems and leave a lasting stain on countries. In some cases, in places like Algeria, they completely destroy Westernized systems and set them back 500 years. It says something when states like Ireland, India, and South Africa are literally the best places I can think of Haha. My point though is that imperialism very rarely has created any of these problems, it has brought them into the 20th century and beyond, and in many cases has made them worse, but blaming the problems in The Congo on the Belgians only goes so far. If you catch my drift.
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sigh sigh sigh. Harry, please stop overhyping every anticipated film ever. I know that when you see Star Trek before everyone else you'll shit yourself about how it's "the best Star Trek movie ever made". I don't mean to be cruel, but can you be more creative than just calling every new high profile movie the best of it's franchise/genre/year/director or actors career
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Fair point, though the temptation to blame things on the Belgians is strong indeed...
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And not in a good way. More in the 'initial surge of brilliance which then turned into huge swathes of incoherence punctuated by shards of former glory, while insulated from reality by too many intoxicants and by cock-smoking acolytes'. Mind you, reading that back, it doesn't seem like a bad life...
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HaHa HA HA Ha HA HA HA HA!You ignorant bitch. Bwah ha ha ha ha! I post one time on this board, No insults , nothing, but you come in all high and mighty and start hurling insults. You want me gone? come make me gone bitch. I will fuck your world.
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Benjamin Géza Affleck's comeback?
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Jul 10, 2008 6:34:37 PM CDT
Can they film one fucking scene before this film is declared bri
by shepard wong
This is the most praise I've ever seen a film that has not been made yet ever get. Impressive Harry. Just curious, do you keep score of how many dvd cases that carry your quotes?
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if anyone has the screenplay.
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icen9ne@yahoo.com
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I'm not going as far as you with the whole DVD case thing, but I agree about "film one fucking scene" sentiment. I like QT and see no reason why this would be a bad film. I'm on his side. I want the movie to be good and have faith that it WILL be good. But this whole crazed hyperbole is unwarranted and frankly annoying. There's a large antagonistic streak in me that feels like the more Harry and the QT fanatics TELL me that I WILL like it, the more I'm inclined to say, "Fuck you, I won't bother seeing it if you're gonna be like that." You know? Like, let me have my own fucking opinion when the fucking movie comes out. I understand getting excited, but this shit is insulting. "Doubt Quentin Tarantino All You Want"??? Yeah, thanks for the permission. Jesus, turn down the Hypometer...
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Tarantino's next movie is, Feet the movie!
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I agree vehemently. The horror...the horror.
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Jul 10, 2008 7:11:32 PM CDT
someone posted the .pdf, hurry fellow film geeks!
by philcollinsisbetterthanus
http://shrinkster.com/107e
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I feel the need to remind everyone that Death Proof is not crap, it is awesome. The lenses of misogyny are the only thing that can ruin that movie. I don't even agree with the people that defend the movie, cause too many of them call it his weakest movie. Too many people are scared of women, (even some women). Plus Kurt Russell's emasculation was one of the best things ever, and it also made some folks a little too uncomfortable. DEATH PROOF RULES!!! Also, can't wait for IB or whatever QT decides to film.
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Of course its a fucking remake, how many times do we need to hear this shit then the film comes out and its perfectly OBVIOUS its exactly the same idea, no matter how well or poorly executed..please its just a fucking insult to anyone with intelligence. Clear the drool from your mouth Harry and just get a LITTLE REAL
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Is the part when that dude was trying to convince the out of town chick to let him make out with her. That dude had waxed eyebrows and was not acting like the type of dude who would want to make out with a chick. Other than that I think Tarantino did a pretty good job so lay off already. NOW GIMME THE SCRIPT!
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Dude, what do I have to do to get a copy of that script from you? I have a crapload of them that I can trade (which you probably already have) and if you're willing to trade (or just be a nice guy), I'd love nothing more than to be able to check it out. My e-mail address is Tarantinoholic@gmail.com (I have a feeling that this is gonna be totally pointless but a guy can dream.)
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read the script and was pissed off the soldiers were Jewish. He leaned over to me and whispered " Why does Quentin make them Jewish? I should cut his balls off" I told Spike to go make his own damn war movie. He said "Fine! I will" and left to see if another SPIKE TV royalty check was in the mailbox. Well the 3 DVD set of "Bastards" should hold me out 'till I find a script online to read...
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Just trying to figure out Harry's rating system here. Crying and clapping for Indy which was a 8/10... "Will Carve Its Mark Into Your Skull When It Is Done" equals 7/10?
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...or a musical. He should work with Sandra Bullock. His movies should be pg-13. I would like to see more of him in nearly every movie. Inglorious Bastards should be retitled "War, what is it good for?"
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Look people, Harry and the other bumblefucks on this site are simply building hype so QT can get a big payday as he shops this script around to the studios. It's been painful to watch this site's decline over the last few years with the fake reviews and stuff like the recent IG propaganda. It could have been different, but oh well. It was fun . . . back in the day.
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"Yeah, we have to kill Hitler, but, really, who wants to schlep all across Europe? Oy!"
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Beat Roger Moore, Telly Savalas, David Niven, Claudia Cardinale, Stefanie Powers, Richard Roundtree, Sonny Bono and Elliott Gould. Add hilarious motorcycle chase. And black helmet nazis right from star wars. And a V2. Then i‘m there
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sometimes. Jackie Brown and the first half of Death Proof come to mind.
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Hit me with an e-mail at Tarantinoholic@gmail.com and I'll send a copy your way if you want it.
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Send me an e-mail at Tarantinoholic@gmail.com and I'll send it your way. I should be online for about another hour or so and I'll send the rest tomorrow!
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Death Proof had its moments, but it was too referential. Here's hoping QT knocks it out of the park with this one.
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who the fuck is going to post this script for us already?
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Jackie Brown and Pulp are easily in my top 10 movies.
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...if I don't respond to any of your e-mails asking for the script within the next five minutes, I'll be sending it sometime in the morning. If any of you guys would be willing to send others copies of the script for a little while, that'd be awesome too. Later!
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Yet again, the smug "Look what I know and you don't!" Review what you got or don't at all. Don't fucking go on and on about something you know you're not going to talk about in length. Great, so we got word from the guy who thought PEARL HARBOR was going to be a masterpiece that this movie is going to be okay. All we have to do is wait for about a year. This site is a JOKE. It exists ONLY for Harry and co. to get scripts and make contacts in the industry. Seriously, all they do now is review movies that have already been out for weeks and scripts which they never fully talk about. Fuck all of you. Someone put up a REAL movie news site. This one is dead.
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Hey guys, anyone who still needs a copy of the script, here are the Rapidshare links to the two .pdf's that make up the script. G'night folks!
(Remove the spaces, of course)
http://rapidshare.com/files/128794613/INGLORIOUS_BASTARDS_1_1_.pdf
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you can email me and I'll send you the script
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send email to: GloriousBastard@gmail.com
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...they should know better.
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I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie.
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but if the script you read is the script that's basically everywhere on the net, then this movie is shit. qt may have had it once--and for me that was always debatable, i saw him as a thieving magpie--but i don't feel that he's got it anymore. hopefully this movie will prove me wrong--but i'm not waiting on it.
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maybe the script everybody got so easily is a fake and the real one is circulating elsewhere?
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Fucking great. I predict this will be the coolest WWII flick with the most unexpected ending of all time. Tarantino had the balls, and he swung them, back and forth, and wall to wall.
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When I say I read it, I meant it. Page 1 to 165. This is not a remake. Harry was completely accurate for once in his fat fucking life. This is the real deal. The stuff EVERYONE'S been waiting on Tarantino since Pulp for. The only complaint I have is the wish that there were more scenes with the actual men on a mission, and maybe less of Shossana (or however you spell it). While her part of the story was great, it took away from some much needed action. I would liken this to something De Palma would make. High tension throughout, from The Good The Bad And The Ugly-like opening (at least Wallach's part of the intro), to all the shit having to do with the planned "bomb-a" going off in the end. Oh, and there's no fucking Babe Buckinsky, so Michael Madsen lovers, BEWARE!
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(CORRECTION) - should have read: Van Cleef's part of the intro for TGTBATU. Also, this was like Black Book, if Paul Verhoven were an even nuttier Dutchman. But he's not, and all we've got is Tarantino. And I think after you guys read this, some of you fence balancers will willingly fall opposite the hater side, and into the deep, warm, cinematic embrace, that is Tarantino.
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Really? I've defended Israel's oppressive policies against Palestinians? Where? When? Actually, by your own logic, YOU should be defending their policies and blaming them "to a certain extent" on outside threats. Oh, you mean that only works for non-Western dictatorships?
Without a doubt, you are about as dumb a Marxist-Leninist as I've ever come across. Do you have anything even remotely original or thoughtful to produce in this debate or are you simply going to trot(sky) out the same stale Communist bullshit ad nauseum, which when called upon, you will keep failing to back up with the excuse that you either chose the wrong words, don't remember what you said or that I'm a Capitalist, Imperialist, Zionist, Racist, Neo-Colonial Whore? Perhaps you can provide something to back up those claims about me? No? Didn't think so.
I'll say it again for the incredulous readers out there: You are actually a fucking STALIN APOLOGIST. The fact that you can't seem to grasp how mind-boggling it is to make excuses for the second biggest mass murderer in history truly shows what a hideously amoral cretin you are. You are NO different from BraneRobot and should be ashamed of yourself. -
anyone who wants to "talk" (read a little more into that if you still need the script) - I will be putting the good old AIM up - screen name: embrypotzebra.
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or anyone else who had read the script....Are there any roles for "people of color" in the film?
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He is the love interest of Shossahen, the young Jewish girl whose parents are killed. He helps her run and operate a cinema in Paris. He seems to be written for a Don Cheadle, Djimon Hunso type, romantic, and tragic. I was originally thinking this must be the Sam Jackson part, but the dude's too old for it. Reading it though I found it hard to see too many name actors in these parts. There's nothing for Arnie or Sly. Maybe Bruce could play Aldo, the hillbilly leader of the Jewish American brigade of men formed to fuck things up. They aren't prisioners, and I don't see Adam Sandler having a role... though I would say Vin Disel for "The Jew Bear", however he's already tred this territory with Saving Private Ryan. In fact, the men on this mission, execpt for Aldo, were the most poorly drawn, least paid attention to characters in the whole thing. Marion Collitarde for Shoshanna, definitly, but that may be too obvious. The Nazi "Jew Hunter" is going to be an awesome role. I see it for someone like Kenneth Brannaugh, or hell maybe even Edward Norton. There's a Nazi stooge role for Uma, she'd play Goebbles assistant. But I have no clue as to who should play Hitler. Maybe that guy from Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade has aged well?
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If anyone thinks this is still going to be broken up into two movies, think again. This has a Pulp Fiction running. Nice and long, but not two movies.
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So no role for Eddie Murphy...What about Pitt as "the Jew Hunter" and Bruce as Aldo? Isn't Collitarde too old for Shosanna? I thought she was 15-18?
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Collitarde would be around the right age. And yeah, now that you mention it, Pitt might do well as Landa "The Jew Hunter". I'd say Aldo reminds me of a more cool version of Billy Bob Thorton, though he's too nail on the head for that role anyway. As I think about it more I could see Morgan Freeman's son in the role of Marcel, Matt Damon as one of the scrubbed to aryan perfection Nazi's, and maybe a slightly beefier/taller looking version of Clooney doing a slight Chris Cooper impression, as Aldo.
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that rapidshare link above is legit...I'll try to just skim the script for character descriptions/ages.
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Before anyone starts slinging insults based solely on the above title, I am not a Tarantino "hater" (we'll have none of this "QT" crap - you're not his mates). I saw Reservoir Dogs in the cinema on its initial release - honestly, how many of you can say that? - and was literally left stunned by it. Since then I've seen every one of his films in the cinema with the exception of Death Proof - and that was only because I'm from England and was therefore robbed of the proper Grindhouse experience. He is yet to make a film I have not enjoyed (although I thought Kill Bill would have been better as a 90 minute adrenaline ride rather than a 4 hour epic) and I am looking forward to Inglorious Bastards, but I am far from worshipping the ground he walks on, as some seem to do. He has his own unique style, which should be commended - will the words "unique", "style" and "Brett Ratner" ever go together? - but I'm sorry to say the shortcomings of that style become more apparent with each film. Everyone always praises his writing first and he is a good writer, to a point, but that's all he is. Good, not great. His dialogue is witty and snappy and quotable, but never really gives any insight into the characters delivering the dialogue. Compare this for example with an Andrew Kevin Walker script (the film Seven, five words - "did the kid see it?" - and you know who Detetive Somerset is). Likewise, his plots are clever, but nowhere near as intelligent as something by Paul Thomas Anderson or Christopher Nolan. As a director, he has shown a notable lack of visual flair which would quite frankly have already sunk his career if he didn't write his own scripts. It doesn't help here that Rodriguez is his best mate and this was proved rather painfully in his guest scene in Sin City. For those that don't know what scene Tarantino directed in Sin City, watch it again and wait for the scene when the inventive and kinetic camera work comes to a standstill for five full minutes and the artistic, expressive and minimal use of colour suddenly becomes random and gaudy. In my mind, though, Tarantino's biggest failing is the almost immature lack of emotional depth in his films. Honestly, did anyone empathise with Jules' spiritual revelation, or feel the Bride's pain on discovering she'd been raped and lost her child? The only time I have been genuinely affected emotionally by a Tarantino film is the closing moments of Reservoir Dogs, which managed to do so without dialogue, in one near-static close up, with everything being played on a single actor's face. Maybe Inglorious Bastards will be the film where Tarantino finally matures and proves me wrong. Maybe not. We'll just have to wait and see...
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If you're going to quote a commentary track from "Seven" regarding the character defining five words of dialogue "Did the kid see it?", you could at least try not to pawn it off as your own. It makes you sound like a pretentious tool, especially when coupled with genius musings that kinetic camerawork is evocative of a quality director.
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seems pretty obvious to me. The dude plays crazy really well (12 Monkeys) and I really think he's got the chops for a rebellious, slightly deranged southern dude (Assassination of Jesse James anyone?) And here's a thought, why not cast German actors as the German characters and French actors? Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Ulrich Muhe of The Lives of Others fame is an amazing actor, and could work as several of the German characters. For Marcel they need to get Isaac De Bankole from the Diving Bell and the Butterfly. Audrey Tatou might work as the older Shosanna as well. I haven't read the whole thing yet but if anyone else pops into my head I shall return.
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as French characters
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this script is absolutely riddled with typos. Can some one tell me, are most scripts usually full of misuses of words like where, were, we're, your, you're, and people saying "a" when they should be saying "an"? I just figured he would tidy up a bit before he tried selling it to all those big studios.
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really?
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Shosanna is 19-20 at the oldest in 1944. Tatou and Cotillard are early thirties. Who will play Churchill?!? Script is nuts!
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And what did we end up with? Two movies of self-fellating cock.
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is dead.
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That movie came out like last year! If that's true, then it fucking sucks. He's pretty much perfect for the role of the Jew Hunter
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that makes no fucking sense is that they want Jewish Americans to be a part of this FUBAR task force. Wouldn't undercover Jews still stick out in Nazi occupied France? Wouldn't a bunch of blonde haired blue eyes be a little more incognito? I get the cool aspect of having some members of the persecuted race and or religion get revenge, but beyond that it doesn't make much sense. Also, even though this is Pulp Fiction universe type territory, and not the movie movie world of From Dusk Till Dawn and Death Proof, wouldn't it just flow a whole lot more if it were all in English? I never got that anyway. Reading subtitles inserted over the frame of a moving picture, only go to remind me I'm watching a movie... and that I don't understand whatever language they're speaking. It's fine if I'm watching a movie intended for a foriegn country, but when it's made for the schlubs in this country, by fellow country men, an accent will do just fine... except in Nic Cage's case.
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if Tarantino actually wants to maintain some cultural integrity (Jewish soldiers scalping Nazis across war-torn France aside) more power to him. Plus, it could allow for some really great actors from Europe to get some fame here. Accents can usually be more distracting than subtitles. At least when the actors are speaking a language you can't understand, you still probably won't be able to tell if their dialect is totally shit or something.
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Nic Cage - "My name's uh Cam ron Poooo waa, and I jus wanna see mah dutta (daughter)"
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I can agree with what you're saying for the most part, but I also think it has to do with the genre the film's in. Say for instance you're going to see some exploitation WWII flick from the seventies, The Dirty Dozen or Where Eagles Dare for examples... You know what you're there for, to see Nazis get blown the fuck up, and for U.S. soliders to look cool. Not subtitle territory. You go to something primed to be Oscar bait like Atonement, and the lack of subtitles for German soliders might stand out.
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Yeah, exactly.
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The two Kill Bill flicks were atrocious, Jackie Brown horribly boring, the Four Rooms segment friggin' pointless. Reservoir Dogs is half decent though it rips off Ringo Lam's CITY ON FIRE far too obviously. Death Proof was okay, Pulp Fiction is definitely his best (though also horribly overrated).
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Nothing is more embarrassing than a rant with typos. That should read "Tarantino". Slap me.
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or daniel craig for that matter.
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resovior dogs is how stripped down it is. the whole thing is dialog and it's all in one room. that is hard to pull off and make interesting. it is also why i like kevin smith. i still think i prefer pulp fiction though. also i just had a thought. i went and saw hulk today (good) and in it tim roth has a line 'with what i know today and the body i had ten years ago - that is a guy i wouldn't want to fight' or something like that. body ten years ago: tim roth in pulp fiction. not that impressive. i'd fight him. then i guess tim would chicken out against himself.
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And nothing to back it up. Come on, Kill Bill 2, Grindhouse? I was hyped up for his films like 10 years ago. But now? Not really. The problem is, the script can be as good, QT will stil bring it to life in the most ridicilous, talky and self-centered fashion he´s known for. Unlike other director I haven´t seen him growing up (in terms of his ability as an director) in all those years.
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Sorry to shoot your criticism down, but the only copy of Seven I have ever owned is VHS so I have never heard a commentary. If my analysis agrees with David Fincher's (assume it was director's commentary?) I feel pretty good about that as I have a lot of respect for him. Could just as easily have quoted "Saigon. Shit, I'm still in Saigon" or the USS Indianapolis speech, as the next two bits of character-defining dialogue that easily come to mind, but it's a little more ambiguous as to exactly who wrote those, whereas one short line in a script definitely written by one man illustrated my point more succinctly. As to your second point, don't recall typing words to the effect of "kinetic camerawork = quality director". If I had, I'd be campaigning for Uwe Boll to win the Best Director Oscar and Michael Bay to get the DGA Lifetime Achievement Award. I was making the comment that, in a movie FILLED with kinetic camerawork, Tarantino's static scene stood out like a sore thumb. If you want another example of what I perceive to be Tarantino's somewhat limited visual style, how about Butch's introduction in Pulp Fiction? If I remember correctly (and this really is from memory of a film I last saw 2-3 years ago) it starts with Marcellus's speech, all one shot of the back of Ving Rhames' head with Butch offset to his right. Fine, I get that Marcellus is meant not to be seen at this point, but this could have been achieved with shadows and good editing far better. From then, I believe it cuts to a flat medium shot of Butch at the bar buying his smokes. Another cut (I think) to Vincent and Jules walking in the door being greeted by "Paul", then back to the flat medium bar shot with Vincent and Butch's short exchange before Marcellus calls Vincent over. A quick cut to Butch's POV as he watches Marcellus and Vincent embrace on the far side of the bar then it's the close-up of Butch with a slight pan (right to left I think) as he accepts the smokes. This is the type of camera activity that scriptwriters put into scripts as a rough guide, with the expectation that a director will apply some panache and inventiveness to them. Cinema is first, second and last a VISUAL form of media, through which stories are told in visual terms. In this sense, there is a big difference between a story writer and a story teller. Tarantino is a good writer of stories, not a teller of them. Directors such as Kubrick and Spielberg are what I would call good story tellers, taking stories written by others and telling us these stories with visual flair and drama. It takes a truly special talent to be both a good story writer and a good story teller, so much so that only one name comes to mind. Hitchcock. No matter how good you think Tarantino is, he is not in that league. Even current golden boys Del Toro and Jackson are still mid-table at the moment. As to "pretentious tool", hate to think this might prove you right in your own eyes, but sometimes "pretentious" simply means "knows more than me" and calling me "tool" is the best compliment you could give. All together now... "He had a lot to say. He had a lot of nothing to say. We'll miss him." Brownie points and mucho respect if you get where that last reference comes from. We're-not-worthy respect if you know who it's about. To quote the great Alex Murphy, "Your move, creep!"
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i loved that interplay between marcellus and butch. i guess a wouldn't necessarily call tarinto a fantastic director but i would call him a great story teller. i find pf very hard to fault in any point.
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He was a breath of fresh air. He remade or should that be reworked films and books by other people and turned them into films that were cool. Cool dialoug, cool casts and cool soundtracks. it has been mentioned here before and it needs repeating that biggest thing that happened to qt was the demise of his partnership with roger avery. I have seen nearly all of qt's films, the exception of four rooms, deathproof. The earyl stuff is his best i think. But like most things Pulp and Dogs havent ages that well. I havent seen both of those films in age. But I was blown away by them. Especially pulp fiction and its opening. I loved the coolness of both. Jackie brown is qt's best film. Its start off in away that looks messy. but it aint and the way he brings all the strands of the film together are mesmerising. then there is the added bonus of Samuel L jackson giving his best performance of his career in pulp fiction. The scene with him and travolta in the car after the opening credits is iconic. The movie itself is very funny in places. The opening of Resevoir is also Iconic. Me and school friend made a secret pact to go in and see that film when it opened in dublin. I am very glad i saw it. there were parts of Kill bill one and to that I liked and parts i didnt. finally, if someone walked up to me in the street and quoted the lines that I written and made so iconic. I would take it as huge complimet. Obviously qt didnt feel the same way. and the loss of a parent is a huge thing for anyone. I know all about that. I have never seen a graidhouse film. they were banned in ireland under as video nasties. England only started to show them in 1990's. He is friends with RR. but RR blows hot and cold as a filmmaker. I have seen three Marichi films and the finale was the best. also seen dusk till dawn. god salma's hot.
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the interplay between Marcellus and Butch is very good, no arguments, but that is because of Tarantino's writing (not sure who this tarinto guy is buddy!), therefore he is a good story writer. The telling of said story in visual terms is what I was critiquing (is that right spelling? bah, don't care!) and it is not enough in cinema, even for a writer/director as opposed to just a director, to only tell his story with words. Imagine an alternate universe where Tarantino wrote Pulp Fiction and handed it over to Scorsese to direct it. For that matter, think what Tony Scott did with True Romance, or what Oliver Stone did with NBK...
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i think he wrote with the direction in mind. but i agree, to to some degree, like smith, he phone it in. still, it is what it is supposed to be. i'm not sure if that makes sence.
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Don't go in for backstage gossip, so not sure how much influence Avery really had, but Dogs, Romance and NBK (all written pre-Pulp) were Tarantino writing solo and Pulp remains his only co-written script (not counting Four Rooms as either a script or movie - or existing for that matter!). Judging by Avery's post-Pulp solo output (Killing Zoe is poo, end of), Tarantino didn't lose much, creativity-wise...
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(sorry, I'm a sucker for lame jokes!) that does make sense. Don't know if you've ever read any of Tarantino's original scripts but I had them in paperback in those heady pre script-o-rama.com days and there was a fair amount of camera direction in them - more than an out-and-out screenwriter would use. Think Smith is a fair comparison, except that Smith works in comedy, where visual style is less important
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that site is still going but less good.
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how can stacks of scripts, including unproduced and first drafts, in handy alphabetial order, have been better in the past?
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...how does he work in a close up of womens feet this time? Is it in the script?
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nothing. Absolutely zilch. How many years have we been treated to over enthusiastic praise, and overblown hype from Harry. It absolutely amazes me how for how long I would keep on falling for his hype, and it only took me a decade of reading his nonsense to realize this man cannot be trusted, for whatever reason(enamored with fame, plant, childishly enthusiastic and stupid).
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For expressing our opinions about the exclusivity this website has embrraced. I've been coming here since 98 and I must say that AICN has lost its subversive quality. I knew even then that the only way the movie business could fight AICN would be by embracing them. That's not what bothers me. What bothers me is how they are all sworn to secrecy but they just can't help themselves and blurt out how they're all in on it. The secret wouldn't be as cool if they actually kept it secret.
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will could be nazi villains huh? That would jaw dropping awesome.
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Holy shit Spackman, Quentin's done it again. Pushing dem boundaries, pushing dem boundaries.
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What a piece of art that is. Only war movies I've liked are Full Metal Jacket, Redacted, Three Kings, and Paths of Glory. I really hope this joins the list.
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(MILD SPOILERS)
This script doesn't need to be 165 pages long. There quite a few scenes that ramble on too long (Kill Bill the nadir of this). Several scenes could also be folded into others (the two Shoshanna/Frederick scenes for starters).
There is also too little time spent with the Bastards and only Aldo and Donowitz are really developed to the point where we care. Lots of characters walk onscreen and then are dead in a few minutes, like we give a shit yet.
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...from 1987's SGT.ROCK script to 1994's WITH WINGS AS EAGLES to...well, now this rumor. That's why QT should offer Arnie an offer he can't refuse to act a small role in one of his segments. Stallone and Willis should come easy and then the world will have the baddest WWII action film passing PRIVATE RYAN.
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Jackie Brown, Kill Bill 1 & 2, and Death Proof - if any other director had done any one of those movies, he'd be the talk of the town. "Who's Billy Smith? Oh, he's the guy who did Kill Bill!"
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Nobody but the fans of qt will ses this film. everyone else will stay away in very large numbers. cause it is a war film. and every war film that has been made in the past 3/4 years has tanked at the box office. Everybody regards vietnam as yesterdays news. americans cannot it seems to me muster up enough enthusiasm to go and war movies these days. I hope Qt's comeback is great and I for one am dying to see a war movie with bruce, sly and arnie. and paths to glory was great too. but besides Saving private ryan, the days of the great war movie are over and I like full metal jacket which had the best opening hour of a war ever. Seeing R Lee ermy bullying the rookies is dead on and he was a drill sargent himself and that is what made that opening so magnificent. What was the name of that film with Joaqium Pheonix that was made by Bob and harvey weistein. that they pulled. BUffalo Soldiers. Scott Glen was great in that. But then as we know qt cares little about the box office.
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erm, yikes. The last two films about world war two that I saw were flags of fathers and Iwo Jima. Clint gets a lot of praise from a lot of a people these days. but flags and iwo jima were to like private ryan and band of brothers in that they both had the berg stmaped all over them.
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fine but that script is gonna have to be remade.
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into a film about Iraq! you all know its true.
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about the rat pack. that could work. Frank, sammy and dean take on the might of nazi regieme and defeat them by music.
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If anyone is like Shit for Branes here it's you, hombre. Since you chimed in on this board all you've done is continually put words in my mouth, the calling card of Branes:
HoboCode's a Stalin apoligist and makes excuses for his mass murder! - Um no. I just said that outside forces were just one of the many reasons he went to the extremes he did. That is not apologizing for behavior. That is recognizing the facts of history.
HoboCode wants to destroy Israel! - No...I merely stated that I didn't think a two state solution would work and that a new government should be formed that doesn't oppress portions of its population.
Lenin is Hobocode's hero! - I merely respect the man for have vision and being able to take down a brutal tsarist monarchy and hold them accountable.
And I just want to go on record that throughout this "discussion" I have tried to remain relatively civil and tried to debate these issues without resorting to the pitiful and rude namecalling that you have bombarded me with. I had a momentary lapse after being called a "slimeball,' a "cockbag" (whatever that is), a "cretin," and a "fucking imbecile" so forgive me. You're the terrible person Doc, not me. You hurl insults based on your limited worldview and rigid filter of information. I tried to form a dialogue. You acted like a schoolboy shouting on the playground with his fingers in his ears. Good day, sir. -
Are the ones from rapidshare genuine?
I only ask because of the many spelling typos I am finding.
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Has always been awful - check out the Kill Bill script kicking around online for proof! As far as I know, this script is legit, or at least legit enough to be the one that folks like Harry and Latino Review have been touting as the real deal.
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You're an anti-semite.
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No, I'm not.
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a whole fucking cake of points if you can count high enough to recount all the times you contradicted yourself in your last post to me.
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But if I was gonna fake a QT script, I'd misspell everything knowing that. I've read some script reviews saying the movie will suck because of all the typoes in the script, which seems retarded. It's a film, not a spelling bee.
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Without going into spoiler territory this potentially could be a great film.
I try to picture which named actors would fit in these roles and have a hard time picturing anyone. All of the big name players mentioned before, in my opinion, would not fit in the age group required for this.
I was about to make a point about Arnold not being a realistic Jew, but after some research found there were quite a few around during the WWII time frame. His age is still a huge factor, though.
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Jul 11, 2008 12:44:15 PM CDT
In my country, audiences don't "scream, clap and cheer by the en
by shaneo632
That's only in America.
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What am I missing? I guess the same thing I've been missing from the start of QT's career. I'm not much of a fan, so you can trash my opinion if you'd like. I do like and own Jackie Brown, but all of the rest of his stuff - while having moments and certainly showing some talent - just seem like parodies to me. I never buy into his "reality". I'm not sure he knows what reality is, just B-movie reality. And this script is a perfect example of that. Again, there's a couple of suspenseful clever scenes, but overall it's just so pointless. A Nazi-killing fantasy that's so over the top I kept thinking the twist was going to be that it was all a movie inside a movie...that it would have a similar moral as "Purple Rose Of Cairo" and show an audience watching this fantasy after the war - a better version than what really happened. Nope. It's just QT writing another drive-in movie. It's got all the truth of "Hogans Heroes". Are we supposed to be laughing at most of it, all of it? And doesn't that kind of diminish or demean the real tragedy of WWII? I mean, to turn it all into snarky "fun"? Except it's not that fun because of QT usual over-the-top racial dialogue. (The Jews as rats and Negro-King Kong reference are particularly offensive I thought) But I'm not being PC, I just don't really see the purpose of this film. It's like most of his stuff: just outrageousness for the sake of outrageousness. And lots of long-winded conversations that build tension just by delaying the inevitable burst of gunfire. I cannot for the life of me see what the hell Harry is talking about. But I guess I'm not the audience for this... Anyone, anyone at all, feel the same as I do? Oh yeah, and PS, I've read a lot of scripts but I have never seen anyone with a worse command of grammar, spelling, and even the meaning of words. It's amazing this guy has done so well - he really is an idiot savant.
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has reworked, the films and books of other people. Resevoir dogs is an homage to the french new wave transposed to the usa. pulp fiction is an homage to Chandler. and jackie brown is elmore leonard. Kill Bill is an homage to the shaw bros and revenge movies. and We all know that Deathproof and planet terror is grindhouse. I would like qt to make a film which is completely original and not taken from anything. I am by the way reading a truly great book at the moment. really superb. called the book thief. I think the coens should make it.
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That's how I read it, and it seemed like a perfect bit of casting. I forget who all was rumored to be in it, but Adam Sandler as the baseball bat guy also makes sense.
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WTF is French new wave black and white?
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I'm tempted to tell you to go a little deeper into film history with you Netflix, but I'll just answer you... The French New Wave started in the late 50's-early 60's when the black and white film had graduated to a wonderful crispness and depth. Very "real" and documentary-like. Everything is always at its best just before it gets run over by progress. The French New Wave and Neo-Realism in Italy ended up eventually influencing American films in the late-60's, and then by the 1970's realism hit US film bigtime and created many modern classics and the "Last Golden Era". Now read Chapter 7 and be ready for a pop quiz tomorrow.
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... but I'd love to see Arnold as Hans Landa. I don't know if he'd be able to carry that kind of weight in the movie, but it would be such a strange role to see him in. I also picture Brad Pitt as Aldo Raine, Adam Sandler as Donny, Marion Cotillard (probably too old, though) as Shoshanna and Tim Roth as Hitler. Also, the last line of the script is classic. This thing is going to be amazing.
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benlou@gmail.com please god.
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This talkback has links to rapidshare. A friend of mine got them from there.
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everything is the best ever it seems in this site.
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I mean Harry was using hyperbole, but it's still a dumb statement to make...anything is possible but it is 99.5% probable that it won't be his best film.
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but I thought Death Proof was great fun, disposable yes but fun non the less.
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Here's some excerpts from your posts:
"Why does EVERY movie in Hollywood have to be about the plight of Jews? Been there, done that."
"...They pretty much own Hollywood (and yes the media - let's get real)..."
"... They're either born into the business or they're given chances because of nepotism or their ethnicity."
I've known enough Nazi jerk-asses to know the words of one of them. You sir, are an anti-semite.
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Seven years in Tibet. My dad met Heinrich Harrer, the character and said he was a racist asshole.
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Those are all factual statements. Obviously I was exaggerating with the EVERY but Hollywood films contain a disproportionate amount of Jews to the population. This is due to the fact that Hollywood has many Jews with a lot of power in the studios. The Israel lobby in this country controls not only the media but our foreign policy on several issues. And the last statement? That was a response to someone saying there was a lot of Jews in entertainment because they have a innate superior ability to entertain because simply because they are Jewish, an utterly racist and ridiculous statement. Sorry if you consider me an anti-semite for merely pointing out the obvious but I think I can live with it.
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him. I think that with his early films he got lucky and he was surrounded by the right people.
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of himself. But at least QT was more philosophical about grindhoue then RR.
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it just seems to me that it no longer gets up dated as well. i don't know just an opinion. a lot of movies seem to fall through the cracks where, a few years ago they seemed to do so only rarely. just an opinion.
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Serial killers also kill due to outside factors. That's a fact as well. Does that excuse murders?
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Casting call for Adrian Brody...casting call for Adrian Brody...
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...and all I could think of is that this version reminds me of the end of Richard E. Grant's film in "The Player" before the Hollywood machine changed it to the "Bruce Willis charges in..." version. I have a hard time envisioning "Inglorious Bastards" as written now making it to the screen.
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Deal with it.
"[The Jews} pretty much own Hollywood (and yes the media - let's get real)" = anti-semitic paranoia
"They're either born into the business or they're given chances because of nepotism or their ethnicity" = anti-semitic blame-shifting
"Sorry if you consider me an anti-semite for merely pointing out the obvious but I think I can live with it." = admission
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...one of the guys on the IMDb boards was saying that he's positive the character of Aldo is a black one (probably because of the lynching scar around his neck and his exceedingly seething hatred of Nazis) - I hadn't really thought of it before, but it totally makes sense. He suggested, of course, Sam Jackson for the role and figured that Brad Pitt was playing the Jew Hunter. Who knows, though. Either way, I'm dying to see the casting of this film.
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It's not "obvious". Most major studios are owned by their stockholders. Unless you can show me a stockholder's list and mark "Jew" beside most of the names, what you're saying is a broad, tacky, and racist generalization. As for Whiny Bitch's sad statement that the Holocaust is disproportianately displayed in the media... Shoot me some examples... LOTS of historical events get a ton of play in the media. During the late 1980's when we were treated to a veritable wildwater of Vietnam-themed films, I didn't hear anyone claiming that the media was controlled by a tightly-wound cabal of Vietnam vets. The Holocaust has been dealt with in a lot of films over the years, because it's dramatically rich, thematically deep, and poses a number of moral, philosophical, and emotional questions. You know what, there's also been a TON of movies, TV shows, documentaries, and news reports about the Civil Rights struggle andApartheid, but you don't hear people saying it's because "Blacks control the media". You're both just singling out Jewish people, trying to make them look "crafty" and insidious. Guess what, every ethnic and racial group has a vested interest in forwarding their views, sharing stories, and expressing their culture. It's called Human fucking Nature. Don't single out Jewish people. When you do that, you're being anti-semetic. Period.
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"how much more of these jew swine must i endure? they butcher my men like they were fish bait! this pack of filth degenerates, are doing what the the russian army didn't, and patton's armycouldn't. turning soldiers of the third reich, into superstitious old women!"
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I read Kill Bill back in '02 and wasn't crazy about the script, but I sure loved the movie. THis one has a lot of moments that I, as a screenwriter, might have done differently, but the botom line is, you can feel the passion, the enthusiasm, the film geek, the director, and the dude himself, Q.T. on every page. I bet dollars to donuts, QT recvises this a few times, because there are some odd character shifts, and some long, long ass scenes. But QT knows what he's doing. I cannot fucking wait to see this movie. Even having read a draft of the script, I know that crazy motherfucker QT has got some surprises in store for us. Oh, and Tim Roth has GOT to play the "Jew Hunter".
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You are casting pearls to the anti-semitic swine that WNB and Hobocode really are. And to top it off, not only is HoboCode an anti-semite, but an apologist for one of the biggest mass murderers this world has ever seen. I'm starting to think that both of these guys have serious neglect issues and they have to be doing this for the attention. Those arguments sound alot like the tripe you hear from holocaust deniers.
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Why, exactly?
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Why does everything with you start and end with calling someone "anti-semitic"? Meanwhile you cant even correctly spell the epithet you're throwing around. There is no question that Hollywood has turned WWII into a Nazi versus Jews affair in order to overplay their role in the conflict and generate sympathy and political cover. We entered into war 1)because Japan bombed us (because we in turn had oil embargoed them) and 2)to ensure that our closest ally England would not perish from this earth (and with them the roots of our own Christian-Classical Western civilization). The plight of Jews was literally not a factor in the minds of most Americans any more than the plight of gypsies, gays, slavs, soviets or others who were targeted by the Nazis. The suffering of the Jews was great under the Nazis (much like the suffering of the Chinese in Nanking under the Japanese, the Flips, the civilian populace of Russian Western front etc etc) but it was a tiny sideshow of the war. Yet today you'd think the entire war was ABOUT Jewry or that Jews had a major hand in the outcome of the war. This entire thing has an obvious stench of a bait-and-switch. First it's hyped as an all-star Stallone-Arnie-Bruce buffet of Nazi ass kicking... now we find out it'll actually be yet another Shia-dash-Judd Apatow-dash-Seth Rogan Hollywood vehicle? Kill Bill was slightly overrated (just as QT's first and best work RD is underrated) but I believe Tarantino still has some good work left in him. YO QT, between your time in mainland China banging whores, plz bang out a decent revision to this script...
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all this hating and bitching at each other is cool and all (well, not really) but I would really rather hear more people's thoughts on Inglorious Bastards. Less bitchy more suggesty
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I was thinking about that last night. Hmmm.
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after reading the scene in the basement tavern. That dialogue just sounded tailored for Samuel Jackson to me.
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My first thought was how the hell are they going to stretch this out for two movies? All of that stuff is barely enough for one in my opinion. Keep it one. For fuck's sake. Also, it didn't really bother me, but the fact that Hitler dies here will probably bother some people. It doesn't fit the reality and I know about a million stupid fucks who will get confused. It goes with the whole Italian exploitation vibe though, so I don't really mind it at all. Great chilling ending. I know I'm going to be stweing on this script for quite awhile. I like it, but I really can't see the version that I guess Harry has in his mind.
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just like Harry, I am really fucking excited to see this movie!!! It will definitely be fun getting casting news, and seeing all the posters and trailers for the first time. I really want another kick-ass Tarantino flick (I loved them all, nearly equally, with a special spot for all of them on the shelves. and yes, even Death Proof) and I truly believe from reading the script that this movie has the potential to be vastly entertaining. Really nice job Mr. Tarantino, but maybe next time try working just a teensy bit harder on the spelling and grammar front.
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can we just get an edit thing on here please? And I realize the irony in my posts telling Quentin Tarantino to spell check when my posts already have mistakes in the headings, thanks. :P
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Jul 12, 2008 5:37:36 AM CDT
Does Bear Jew's son = director of 'Coming Home In A Bodybag'?
by jackson healy
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Sorry, dude, but are you using a different definition of the word "contradiction" to me? I have been back through my last post and broken it down to the following:
1. A rebuttal of your claim that I had quoted a commentary, with further examples given for added weight.
2. An expansion of my point on Tarantino's limited visual style, explaining my previous Sin City example better and deconstructing an entire scene in what most say is his best film.
3. My theory on the difference in cinema between a story writer and a story teller (I maintain that Tarantino is good as the former, but poor as the latter).
Notwithstanding my cheeky/cryptic comments at the end, I cannot see how "contradiction" comes into this, as all of these points back up my original post, which, if you've forgotten, was titled "Sorry, but Tarantino IS overrated".
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Abu de suffle.
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check it out my friends: http://tinyurl.com/57b5j3
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did you mean 'A bout de souffle' ??
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Actually, its a remake of aband a parte. Which is where he got the name of his film company. Though there maybe be a little of A bout de souffle. But resevoir dogs on the whole a remake/reworking/of aband a parte. I just couldnt think of the name of the film. and when i thought of the name of his film company it clicked. He loved those films. the french new wave ones.
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A glowing review before one frame of film is shot. Sure. That makes total sense.
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Again I'm being called a Stalin apologist? KeeeRist. Do gits like you acually read? All I've said is that ONE of the MANY reasons Stalin took extreme actions was because of outside forces. I'm NOT "apologizing" for his behavior. Merely pointing out a FACT. Jesus you and your ilk are mouthbreathing terds. One TBer says I'm apologizing for Stalin and the rest of you just parrot that utterly false assertion as if it's gospel because it makes you feel better about yourselves. Pathetic.
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I'm interested. I am glad he didn't retire.
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PTA, Spike Jones, Fincher are at least on par and I think PTA is the finer filmaker. And of course you got the brothers, Coens bringing it every time except for two. i.e. Ladykillers. Hell, I'd put the man who wasnt' there up w/ anything he's done since Pulp. Hell even David O Russell has the same amount of talent. He might be the biggest asshole in directing but I"d put Three Kings up against QT's past. And of course I"m forgetting Alexander Payne as well.
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I'm dying to read it! I dont have much to trade on this comp, maybe some music. But someone please send me this script or point me in the right direction!? Thanks.. Brianrinaldi.ok@gmail.com
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I tried but I couldn't. Explanation's on the Scriptgirl talkback. I can still try again later if you want dude. Maybe just email me real quick so I get the correct address and my reply can just be the script. And I don't need anything traded. Everybody should be able to read it if they want to. Just don't spoil it for anybody who doesn't want anything spoiled. my email is just my talkback name + @aol.com
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You might as well cut and paste your own bullshit posts, since you seem to be making the same tired, hyperbolic, cinematically retarded statements of love to QT every time you post. You and Harry can go hump Quentin's leg while the rest of us sit back and wait for the actual film to actually be shot and actually show up in theaters.
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Tarantino must certainly suck if some fanboy in Idaho says so based on a synopsis of a movie he has not yet seen.
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And it won't make point five past lightspeed. Honestly, the way people around here are ready to give virtual blowjobs to QT is just sad. This script reads like it was written by my second cousin. My deaf, unschooled, inbred second cousin. Yeah, I went there. And QT--"should of" and "could of" are NOT English. Did that guy even go to high school? Or did he get a job at Blockbuster straight out of junior high? Actually, that would make sense.
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Just got done reading it. Fantastic. This is his come back picture, as dumb of a statement as that is. It's like Death Proof flopped, everyone started saying QT was done or done ten years ago etc etc etc and QT smiled, focused and wrote a script every bit as great as pulp. This script was not at all what i was expecting. Just really really great. Can't wait to read about casting. Just really great great stuff.
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But the chapter device doesn't work as well here as it did with KILL BILL. Here, we spend big chunks of time between two tonally completely different stories that have no real connection until the end of the film. It reads as though trantino started out wanting to write a crazy, trashy exploitation film, then decided he wanted to make BLACK BOOK instead.
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Contrdicting yourself again. How can there be a debate about opinion? You can debate facts, as to what adds up and equates to a certain solution, or at least decision. But you can't argue someone's opinion. And no matter how strongly you believe TARANTINO IS OVERRATED, even if you say it like a fact, it's still the equivalent of saying this or that is cool or uncool, because there will always be people of the polar opposite who disagree. Also, saying that someone has a limited visual style does not make them a bad director or overrated. That could be chalked up to their choice, not their imagination's limits. If I were shooting a scene of two people, both virgins, having sex for the first time,I don't think I'd use John Woo style tracking shots, zooming into the "action" with fucking doves flying over their nervous, vunerable, entangled bodies, exploring one another. I think I'd use restraint, and let the actors work. Does that mean I'm visually limited? If my style is to have a static camera, if that's my opinion on how to make the most effective film, then how can my opinion be wrong? If that's not a good enough answer then just look at Kill Bill; multiple lenses, color palettes, and tones were used in it's production, almost as if Tarantino was experimenting or stretching himself in any way he could. If that movie brings to mind the term "limited", then maybe you should look that up in the dictionary, along with "contradiction."
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HONK HONK! I think I'm gonna shit all over this script without even reading more than two pages of it! HUR HUR SCHLURP SPLORP, Yes more cocks to slurp and choke on plz thank you!
Dudes, look, you can shit on the script if you want, but please, please, read it first. And I mean the whole thing, not one page posted in a script review. Read the whole thing and then shit on the CONTENT OF THE SCRIPT, not the spelling errors, not the wild speculations, but the story, the characters, shit on that, if you have the patience to read the script and the guts to shit on anything but the most superficial elements.
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...is not so much himself or his movies (although Death Proof was pathetic) as his fans. who act as if Tarantino fricking created the cinema all by himself. I remember 1994 when people were going gaga over Pulp Fiction and I would say something like "Scorsese's good, too" and get total indifference. This has been compounded when other directors (especially PTA) have emerged who don't bother with all that fanboy nonsense. There Will Be Blood was such an accomplished and *mature* movie that it galls me that Quentin's adolescent fantasies get more play.
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about how decades shape the movie business. or at least there is an argument how a single film or films will change the face of cinema.
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...last night (thanks again Tarantinoholic) and I really enjoyed it. But one thing I wished there was more of was more of the Bastards and their adventures. Maybe there weren't many because it seemed like it was more Shoshanna's story. Also, I agree with an ealier poster who mentioned splitting this into two films. There's not enough here for two films. As it is, it would make a good sized film, but not two. But then that makes me wonder where the rest of the 600-page opus is, or however many pages it was rumored to be. Overall though, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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Jul 13, 2008 12:33:11 PM CDT
If you don't love this script, you're fucked in the brain!
by jackson healy
BASTERDS IS GREAT! I agree, Calihoma, I wish QT had spent more time with the Basterd's bloody adventures; the revving up to the starting line was so fun -- as was that Aldo and Donowitz flashback -- I was all set to get my brains bludgeoned out of my skull watching them wade through another bloody adventure; but I understand why he wanted to get to the bloody rib eye of the script, mainly the climax at the theater. This script showcases each and every one of QT's obsessions -- from his foot fetishes to his three and four way Mexican stand offs, to the classic John Woo drilling each other with lead standoff. And he wrangles these elements into an inventive, riveting and mordantly funny story. That scene where the German soldiers practice double takes and spit takes is priceless. I'm confident that the final shooting draft will add at least two more set piece adventures involving the Basterds and their (misspelling intended) cutting a bloody swathe through Europe. And Quentin, if you're reading this, PLEASE, PLEASE give us more At Bats with Donny Donowitz!!
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That's not even my point. I've just been defending myself of late on here. I don't give a fuck if Jews control Hollywood. What I do care about is not seeing the same tired Jews vs. Nazis WWII cliche out of my favorite director.
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It's just over 2 1/2 hours. There is no reason, other than QT's ego, that it needs to be cut into two movies.
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As I'm reading this script, in addition to casting The Bastards with my favourite actors (I'm still thinking about it), I immediately think of Crispin Glover as Hitler. My Gawd, I can see it now and it's brilliant. Anyone else's thoughts?
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His articles are bad, his their/there/they're is confused and other things. At first I thought it might reflect just a poor education among the Bastards, but there are many mistakes among the narration as well. Someone needs to school that MoFo about his language.
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the first scene is this tense, Super nazi(great role) interrogating a family to see if they are hiding any jews on the property. You read that first scene, and it's great, tense and terrifying, takes a while to really build and then get really fucking scary. You read that first scene and you think you have a pretty good idea what this movie is going to be, and then it's not that at all. QT just keeps surprising you with where he goes and how he gets there. I just really loved this thing.
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Absolutely. He may have an "ear for dialogue," but his spelling/grammar is atrocious - not to mention his grasp of history.
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The guy who played Hitler in Last Crusade (Micheal Sheard) died in 2005.
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...by the way he pushes you one way then pulls you another, jus like Bostin pushed an pulled the shit outta LA. QT verrs you right, into the cinemanic slotterhouse of his deprayed mind and when you get their, you can't take you're eyes off, what you see happening. He ushully paves the way with humor, gives you a great frikin' ride, it's all shits and giggles, and then -- whisk! -- your standing in a pile of offal. Fucking great shit. 'course, every fanboy QT Haters got a script thats three times better and the movies they've made -- in they're minds -- totally kill everything QT's done since Pulp Fiction, yeah, I know he sucks and your great.
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Sorry, but I thought it was pretty bad, and I realize I'm fighting a losing argument here, it's utterly amoral. It basically argues that American sadism is just fine because, well, it's American. I've been afraid to say it for awhile, but Tarantino is starting to come across as someone who genuinely gets off on the pain of others. I know, "they're all Nazis"... but is that any different from saying "they're all Arabs," or "they're all Jews", for that matter.
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Jul 13, 2008 5:29:58 PM CDT
And like I said, I know I'm fighting a losing battle here...
by wookie1972
But I really do think QT has become more and more sadistic as he's gone on. The audience was supposed to be appalled when Mr. Blonde cut the cop's ear off. That's a long way from killing a woman in her kitchen while her daughter watches (oh yeah, I forgot, she's supposed to get her "revenge" later. Whatever...). And I know that the Coens or PTA aren't exactly making Disney movies either, but you're not supposed to cheer Anton Chirgurh or Daniel Plainview.
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They're intended to be anti-heroes. You can either be disgusted by them, or what they do will appeal to you. Tarantino has yet to write a straight hero character. Shooting the woman in the kitchen was meant to be somewhat tragic and ugly. The Bride didn't want to killer her there. The Crazy 88 fight scene is the only one in Kill Bill I'd call Pure Fun, the rest were meant to carry a sort of tragic tone, showing how messy revenge is. Tarantino is certainly getting off on killin' Nazis in this one, but I don't think it's really much worse than say, The Dirty Dozen, or even Raiders of the Lost Ark, which climaxes in Nazi faces melting.
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Just plain bad. Mediocre writing, feeble plotting, the usual gratuitous and sadistic violence. Who cares anymore? If this was written by Joe Soap, no-one would give it the time of day.
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...that have been around. What happened to the Babe Buchinsky character? And remember when Sandler was rumored to be in it? Wonder who he would've played...one of the bastards I'm sure. As someone mentioned earlier, I also think it's interesting how the Americans are portrayed. We all know that the Nazi's were motherfuckers, but it's interesting that QT only shows them being real MFers in the opening scene. I think a cool scene to show more of the Bastards and their ways would have been to have the Nazis doing their shit, and the Bastards come along and spoil the fun. I guess I just wish for a few more heroic-like scenes featuring the Bastards.
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There are now more total hours of movies about world war II then the actual fucking war.
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If Tarantino never existed and any of us were to submit Inglourious Basterds as a spec, I'd lay odds that we would, a) be discovered by a clouted agent, and b) sell it in a bidding war within three weeks. Of course, we'll never know. The opening chapter of IB, "Once Upon A Time...in Nazi Occupied France" is one of the best opening sequences I've read in the last five years. However, the tone of your post would lead me to believe that you've written a gobsmackingly better script, with, no doubt, a gobsmackingly better opening. So why don't you give us all a link to the opening of one of your scripts that just blows this mediocre, feebly plotted screenplay out of the water? Seriously, if your stuff is that much better and makes Tarantino's work mediocre in comparison, we'd love to see it.
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the reason you've set yourself up to be bludgeoned by by all the bloodlusting war mongers on this forum, Wookie, is because your position is just dripping with sanctimony. If you were in charge, there wouldn't have been an American film industry back in the 40s, because half those films showed Americans winning the battle against the Germans and the Japanese. In fact, you can pretty much wipe out two of the first three Indy Jones movies, cause you just can't show Americans killing Nazis. Hell, why don't we just ban ALL movies where one person kills another. We're not as enlightened as you are, but by God, we'll get there! Oh... wait... it's the WAY in which Tarantino relishes the telling of his tales? The way he turns the killing of people into an art form you're rallying against? Quite honestly, in the "Operation Kino" sequence -- MINOR SPOILER HERE -- -- -- DON'T READ IF YOU WANT TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY IT ----- QT wrote that so powerfully, it was painful watching that young Nazi new father get shot at the end -- and by a beautiful, traitorous Fraulein to boot. What QT does so well is he makes you feel the deaths of his characters. Isn't that better than a film with all sunshine and roses in which men never do evil against other men, but we all live in dick-sucking peace that doesn't at all mirror the real, fuck ass world out there?
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I read the whole script, thought it sucked, then made fun of the grammar because it was easy to do and made me feel good. But I still downloaded the script and read it, not just a posted page, and I still say it's a piece of amateurish shit.
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zacdilone is 17... or an idiot... or both
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is obviously meant to be disturbing. You don't really think it revealed that one officer just had a baby for nothing do you? I think one of the messages Tarantion is trying to send, is that both sides had their share of demented maniacs. While the horrors of the Holocaust are unforgivable, it's never so easy to simply identify one side as the bad guys and leave it at that. some of the greatest literary classics such as the Iliad illustrate the same point, just as there are heroes on both sides, more often than not there will be villains. They are called the Bastards for a reason. World War II was not won through terror or fear. It simply stirred up more dust. Still, that doesn't stop the story from being extremely good in its attention to both sides.
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I think one thing that's really bothering people about the script is that Tarantino leads the reader to believe the story is going one way, and then totally switches it up just to fuck with you. I personally find it funny and entertaining how many times he totally fucks with the reader.
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I think one thing that's really bothering people about the script is that Tarantino leads the reader to believe the story is going one way, and then totally switches it up just to fuck with you. I personally find it funny and entertaining how many times he totally fucks with the reader.
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Don't know how that happened
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this movie is going to be good. I just read up to Chapter 5 and i am stopping to prevent ruinig the film experience for myself. I am so thrilled that this movie even is going to exist. i can't wait. i just went and played some Castle Wolfenstein so I could blow up some Nazi's while I mulled over the plot. It is going to be brilliant.
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Or maybe 4 cents, since you got the header posted twice...I'm a QT fan. Loved Reservoir Dogs and Pulp is one my fav movies ever. Jackie Brown was a step in the right directiong...then he turned into an exploitation genre director. Which is good if that's what you want to be, I guess, but I think everyone has bigger hopes for QT...like a return to Pulp Fiction glory. Well, which movie is this? Definitely not a return to glory, this is like QT's take on a Jewish revenge movie.
This isn't QT's WWII movie. It's a a typical QT movie set during WWII. Is there a difference? Yeah. Most of the scenes that you'll be expecting from a dirty dozen movie aren't there. No real war scenes to speak of or balls to the wall action. In fact other than an introductory scene (in the aftermath of an ambush...the "big scenes" are all offscreen") which has the Bastards sitting around and executing one of the two remaining survivors, the Inglorious Bastards are completely absent from the first 84 pages.
Huh? A movie called Inglorous Bastards without the Bastards? Then who's the star? Answer: A Jewish girl named Shoshanna, who survives a Nazi massacre (actually, a four man massacre...again...everything in this movie is small) and flees to Paris to run a movie theater. Where she dreams of revenge (maybe this movie should be called KILL HITLER instead). This is where we are treated with the "black and white French new wave" portion of the film filled with looooooooong stretches of dialogue before we are into Chapter 4 and back to the Bastards.
There are some good scenes throughout, some good dialogue, and while I don't hate the script, it's definitely not fantastic. It doesn't jump out at you like Pulp Fiction, or even feel like a coherent movie like Jackie Brown or Reservoir Dogs. It's Death Proof/Dusk til Dawn level QT...he'll probably direct it a lot better than it reads, but it's really just juvenile mayhem (how many people die in the same way...a German and an American facing off and trading bullets until BOTH are dead, like the end of Reservoir Dogs. Is this is what it's come to...ripping off your OWN movies???) without the overarching pathos or emotion he showed in earlier films.
It's just a B (or even C) grade war tale. A mindless movie with a few scenes of over the top violence, a few really cool and tense scenes, and a whole bunch of QT meandering and overindulgence.
Case in point...the Chapter Titles. It upset me at first when I read the script, because it makes everything disjointed. Someone needs to tell QT that BOOKS have Chapters, and a movie is usually one cohesive narrative. Then, by the end, it dawned on me that DVDs also have chapters, and since his movies pretty much go straight there now anyway, I guess it's okay. -
Well... a movie has to have one or the other if it hopes to reach the two hour mark. I like Tarantino's long dialog scenes and I like his action scenes, so this isn't too much, for me, it's "not enough".
I find this script to be his most emotional yet. I found the guys in Reservoir Dogs to largely be a bunch of jokes. The scene in the truck between Aldo and one of the Bastards is really touching. -
yeah, i figured he'd be too old anyway, i was just trying to be funny. any suggestions for who should play the unfunny Charlie Chaplin? I think it would take a little hot air out of the whole thing if they just go for a look-a-like unknown, but that might be their best choice.
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In its title and throughout the script he spells the word 'Basterds.' I don't know if that is due to Tarantino's illiteracy or what... But this script is FUCKING STUPID, posturing, shallow garbage which, in the context of WWII, would be kind of offensive to some people. Not me, but other people. The script is full of bad writing, constant misspelling, and some of the shallowest characters I've seen outside of an Archie comic book. It's the lamest, most hackneyed thing I've ever read from Tarantino, and just looking at how badly it's written... just, Wow. I can't believe people still buy scripts from this mongoloid.
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"How can there be a debate about opinion? You can debate facts, as to what adds up and equates to a certain solution, or at least decision. But you can't argue someone's opinion." These are your words. So according to you, fact can be debated, but opinion cannot. Is that right? So, according to that line of reasoning, I can say that a perfect cube made of a solid material (e.g. metal) has 6 faces and 12 edges and expect someone to argue against that statement, but if someone says that Battlefield Earth is the greatest movie of all time no one is permitted to utter even a word of dissent as that is their opinion and therefore above debate? Is that really what you meant? Really? A fact is a fact, like in my cube analogy above. There can only ever be one interpretation (or else it is not a fact) and any attempt to say otherwise is wrong. Debate IS opinion, presenting two (or more) sides of an argument where there isn't necessarily any right or wrong answer. The existence of God. Morality. The meaning of life. These are subjects that have been debated since the beginning of recorded history. Are they facts?
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But you could cast Michael Richards, Jerry Seinfeld and Woody Allen
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Jul 14, 2008 11:07:16 AM CDT
for those who wants to get their own pov on the script it's onli
by chandleyr
http://digg.com/movies/Inglorious_bastards_leaked_scripts
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Ok, we've got that silliness out of the way, so shall we get back to Tarantino? To quote your article again, "saying that someone has a limited visual style does not make them a bad director or overrated". I absolutely agree with you on this, which is why I would suggest looking back at my first post, where you will notice that visual style was only the second of three major points I made on Tarantino. The first (his writing) we have briefly touched on and you have yet to come back with anything except a (disproved) allegation that I was quoting somebody else. However, you have to date totally ignored my third point, that Tarantino lacks emotional depth and maturity. Tarantino's characters are gangsters, assassins and psychopaths with cool dialogue. Do any of them honestly feel like full, rounded human beings, with all the nuance and subtlety of personality that comes with having been alive for 30, or 40, or however many years. Do any of them feel like they had childhoods? Moments in their past that shaped their future and made them the person they are? Or do they simply feel like "fun" characters, doing "fun" stuff and saying "cool" things? That's how they feel to me and that's fine, as, in case you missed it before, I ENJOY TARANTINO'S FILMS. However, I am sick to death of everyone saying that he is the best or the greatest simply because he makes cool, enjoyable movies. I have tried to make the point that the very qualities that people like in his movies can also be seen as his limitations. I have tried to make the point that the standard to which I hold a director or a writer is higher than just being able to entertain me for the running time of their movies. I have tried to make the point that cinema is capable of so, so much more than the uses to which Tarantino puts it. I have tried to make these points in an articulate, intelligent way and have not once resorted to either insults or swearing, which I'm sorry to say you have done in every one of your posts to me. And despite all this, I will still be in line at my local cinema when Inglorious Bastards is finally released. I will watch it and I fully expect that I will enjoy it. Maybe it will even have the maturity and emotional reality that has been missing from Tarantino's work this whole time, although some of the other comments about the script above don't fill me with confidence. However, I will still maintain that Tarantino, while good, is not anywhere close to being the best and, as so many people on this website, on this board and all across the world continue to make, or allude to, this belief, I will end as I began. Sorry, but Tarantino IS overrated
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"Honestly, did anyone empathise with Jules' spiritual revelation, or feel the Bride's pain on discovering she'd been raped and lost her child?" ...
Despite the campy qoutable dialogue, QT's material on paper isn't inherently impotent as far as constructing characters that connect. The problem is in his actual filming style. QT relies on an abstract layer of movie library space; all character and a lot of story must pass through this refractive intermediary space before the audience's psyche can perceive, receive and interpret the film's world and its inhabitants.
Thus there is viewer detachment during every single frame of his film. His camera simply does not acknowledge the audience, only the proselytizing eye of movie library connasieur, QT.
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"Honestly, did anyone empathise with Jules' spiritual revelation, or feel the Bride's pain on discovering she'd been raped and lost her child?"...
To me the biggest flub is near the end of KB Vol. 2. Beatrix is allowed to spend some mother daughter time before getting back to the unfinished business with Bill. The scene could have breathed to us, for us, in us. But no, what we get are ma and kid watching QT's martial arts film library! No empathy possible, just another opportunity to proselytize by folding the scene back on us so that we are watching people watch something from QT's personal list of must see flicks. I don't have any reason yet to think he'll change his ways, which will keep his films at "cool" never graduating to "impotrant". -
First, you don't need to write me a novel to prove you feel passionatley about what you think. Reiterating your "points" doesn't make them right. Secondly, an explination re: facts can be debated. If you read my post I said they can be USED to debate - example: Democrats and Republicans using each tiny tidbit of info they can find of the past 10 years to blame the other side for the sorry state we're in, how to get out of that state, and why we're not going to if we listen to the other. Now saying that, if I have an opinion that Death Proof was successful, I would be wrong. It bombed. If I said that Death Proof was a great movie, I couldn't be wrong, OR RIGHT, because it's simply my fucking opinion. And we can go back and forth as to what camera angles makes a movie good, what framing is correct or incorrect, but when it all comes down to it, they are just factors based on subjective decision, based on subjective opinions, coming from a HUMAN, not a scientific equation that's been proven.
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And make it Sin City style with Jewish Ninjas and Giant Nazi Robots. The ninjas will take out the giant robots with their samurai swords. I can't wait.
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It is contextual violence. or at least it is confined to a specific world. in RD and Pulp and jackie brown it was the criminal underworld. IT was the same in KIll Bill. the context for kill bill is that it was all about the bride's violent revenge on her boss bill. The ending of Kill bill was hugely anticlimatic. you expect a violent ending but your dont get one. it is left very openended. With QT saying I will do a spin off. one day and I am not done with Kill Bill. we are still waiting... and I am not holding my breath.........
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Maybe someday he will make a movie for an audience beyond a bunch of fapping geeks.
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I don't think I made myself clear. I have nothing wrong with war movies - I loved Where Eagles Dare and the Great Escape. But in both those (and most other WWII movies) we were not asked to identify and valorize sadists. You could argue that the "Basterds" are supposed to be anti-heroes, but then why have that bullshit about having no quarrel with the Japanese? I don't believe for a second that an American GI would ever utter such a comment at the time. It seems to me that QT is trying to set up the Basterds' violence as righteous vengeance, which I find disturbing no matter who does it.
Personaly, I think the script *really* needs a lot of work. There are some really stupid mistakes - for example, why have a narrator say what Shoshanna is thinking and therefore TELEGRAPH THE LAST ACT OF THE MOVIE? I honestly thought that QT was going somewhere with that, that there was going to be some great twist that justified driving that point home, but no, it's just telegraphing. It's amateurish, frankly. -
for inglorious Bastards. From what I have read though on these talkbacks. I am going to make a prediction. This film will not get made. I have seen his first 4 movies. Something seems to have happened to Quentin Tarantino and I dont know what that is. As i said already there were flashes of brilliance in Kill Bill. Some of the cinematography in Kill bill is stunning and the scene in the coffin in Kill bill volume 2 is simply amazing. I found the 2nd film to be an utter drag and the more the bride continued her journey of revenge, the less I wanted to be part of it. I hated the ending of the whole thing because it was such anti climax. I am no longer a fan of Quentin tarantino. The filmmaker he has become seems arrogant and the films he makes seemed rage filled for some reason.
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Hey Wookie-
Glad you clarified that. This is Quentin's version of Where Eagle's Dare and The Dirty Dozen, in the same way that KILL BILL was the best B-movie samurai revenge pic ever. You have to realize that what QT has written here is basically historical fiction, in the furthest sense of the term. The U.S. is sending an all-Jewish can of whoop-ass over to the European theater to kick as much Nazi ass as they possibly can. It's an all-you-can-kill Nazi buffet for them. The whole point is for them to make Nazi life as miserable for them as they've made it on the European Jews. If you read the whole script, you'll recall the bordering on poignant scene wherein Donny Donowitz takes his newly acquired bat to Mrs. Himmelstein's tiny apt. and asks her if she'd like to sponsor him in what he's about to do. He tells her he's going to kill as many Nazis as he can with this bat, and asks her to sign the name of someone whose safety she fears for. Mrs. Himmelstein, small and frail, says to him, "Hand me your sword Gideon, I do believe I will join you on this journey." she then writes the name "Madeleine" on the bat. Wonderfully lump-in-throat poignant moment refracted through the lens of Tarantino's own sensibility. Also, if you don't think there's rampant sadism going on during war time, then you haven't been reading the Drudge Report lately. It happens all the time, Quentin is just filtering it through the eyes of a band of Nazi-killing Jews and a young, Jewish hottie bent on grilling herself up a heaping helping of fried Nazi pork skins. QT is simply taking this cruel world we live in and giving us the coolest, kick ass, movie-loving version of it. As far as Shosanna telegraphing what's about to come, I believe QT is just spit balling here and that the script is as we read this going through major rewrites before a single frame is shot. I suspect we'll have a lot more of the Basterd's escapades in the final shooting draft. Yippee kai yay!! -
....I'm extremely excited about this movie. I'm giddy trying to think of the perfect cast to bring this movie off. I think the toughest roles for me to cast are the main French girl, the British Lieutenant and Sgt. Stiglitz. Its a completely insane story and I'm not sure how people will react to it. I definitely think it has the potential to be a classic film, provided the casting is right and the studio doesn't puss out. For the record I'd like to fully support the idea of casting DiCaprio as the main villain. This would be a GREAT role for him and something that could take him to a completely new level in his career. PLEASE do this Leo.
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NO. I'm no DiCaprio detractor, I happen to enjoy his work. But he's no Lando. Matt Damon...better, but no. Brad Pitt? He doesn't quite have the gravitas needed, but something about the idea does intrigue me. I kept picturing him in the role as I read the script. He certainly could pull off the suave & creepy aspect.
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Damn it.
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CHRIST!, That shit bugs the fuck out of me.
Ok, that out of the way, I have to say I was really liking this. So what hot Jewiss is gonna be Sho-baby? Seems like it was a part written for Natalie Portman. She might be a wee bit old but maybe she'll do.
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