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Is Darren Aronofsky Disobeying Directive 5?
Beaks here...
They call it "burying the lede". The Hollywood Reporter's headline is "MGM Likes DAWN at the CABIN". The story is about Mary Parent greenlighting a shitload of movies for the revitalized studio. The crucial part of the article lies a-moldering in paragraph thirteen:
Parent and MGM chairman and CEO Harry Sloan announced the "Red Dawn" remake -- along with a big-budget rebuild of "RoboCop," which director Darren Aronofsky among others has recently been in to discuss -- in May at the Festival de Cannes.
So Darren Aronofsky's "been in to discuss" the ROBOCOP, eh? The "rebuild" of the Paul Verhoeven classic. Was he drunk when he took this meeting? Aronofsky's a very smart man. He's three-for-three as a filmmaker. Why would he want to go messing around with something as iconic and sui generis as ROBOCOP?
For some reason, I'm thinking of Mel Brooks, one of the greatest comedic minds of our time. Two decades ago, he made a horrible mistake and and remade Ernst Lubitsch's TO BE OR NOT TO BE. The result was decent, but, compared against the original, it was a waste of time, talent and money; it served no purpose, and is barely considered nowadays. I'd like Aronofsky to consider this before he does anything rash. I'm not saying he can't make something worthwhile out of a ROBOCOP "rebuild" (hating this terminology so very much); it's just that... he can't make ROBOCOP. That's been done. And ROBOCOP is a very particular thing. It was a superhero satire before theaters were overrun with superhero movies. It's as relevant today as it was in 1987. It ought not be fucked with.
Do what you will to RED DAWN, Ms. Parent, but leave our ROBOCOP alone. And don't be complicit in this, Darren, unless you have a worldbeater of an idea. If you really need a hit, remake something less essential. TOP GUN could be updated. Fox is still futzing around with THE FLY. I'd like to see another BYE BYE LOVE.
Do I think you could pull off a JOHN CARPENTER'S THE THING? Yeah. Do I want to see you take that risk when MGM would just as soon greenlight another HOT TUB TIME MACHINE? Not when you've got THE FIGHTER on your dance card.
Just... be careful, man. I care. I care too goddamn much. Now who's driving me home?
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Who would we fight in such a film? The Chinese? Mexico? WHOO???
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Just saying...
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Don't remake Robocop. Just don't
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Won't happen.
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....to think someone can be arrogant enough to mess with the 'Cop. Classic, classic movie and it would take something VERY special to even be its equal. Good luck with that shitheads :D
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I mean, why the fuck not?
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I know his wife is a wealthy movie star, but still....maybe wants a slamdunk payday.
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You sure about that?
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Might be the suck, but I'll at least give Aronofsky a day in court, ya' know?
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Anti-US Marxist agendas at the fore and spreading throughout South America. Cuba still there. A fair amount of anti-Americanism in general meaning allies might not necessarily be relied upon to come to the aid of the US. A distinct problem brewing with Russia over the anti-missile shield, a Russia buoyed and re-armed by oild and gas revenues. Above all, most US attention and vast swathes of it's military dug in and committed in the Middle East, overseas and a long, long way from the homeland. The scenario actually writes itself.
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most useless remake ever.
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Jul 09, 2008 3:16:18 AM CDT
I remember his "vision" for BATMAN: YEAR ONE
by the guy who slept through everything.
I like his movies alot, but get him away from this as far as fucking possible.
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Every time I read of another remake I shudder. Now this... Robocop for fucks sake... As was stated, this is like saying lets remake Alien! I am Uridium's Rage!
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A "lede" is a journalism term referring to the first sentence of a newsarticle, which is designed to catch the reader's attention by basically summarizing the most important of the article. The term "burying the lede" is when the information in the lede is not revisited until much later in the article than it be.
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...it's a re-build and that's a totally different thing. Like tearing down the Eiffel Tower and re-building it with a revolving Mc Donalds on top.
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The term "burying the lede" is when the information in the lede is not revisited until much later in the article than SHOULD it be.
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There was no Directive 5.
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So I agree fully that it's still relevant today. To make it even more relevant, all they'd really new to do is change OCP into a gas company.
I love RoboCop, and I'm looking forward to this. Do we REALLY want RoboCop 3 to be the last film starring Alex Murphy? No. -
Than should it be? Now you're confusing me.
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I'll admit "Pi" was, and still is a high mark in my mind. "Requiem" was amazing too, but to say that "The Fountain" was a success in its current form is a fucking stretch of imagination, it's like 2 God damned hours of Neo talking to the Architect."The Fountain" is like a gold plated turd, sure it's pretty shit, but it's still shit.
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I love it as much as the next guy, but it's not a perfect movie. I'd kind of like to see what came out of it, because I love the character and I'd like to see it on-screen again.
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seriously, have you seen his vampire movies? even the escape movies with the acting so bad that it kinda saves the movies. for that matter kurt russel is a hack.
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Yes, Robocop is an iconic film, together with Aliens part of the evil corporation SF wave of the 80s.
But it's also pretty damn clunky in parts and hardly unassailable as a film.
While I don't think Robocop is crying out for a remake, if Aronofsky thinks he can bring something new to the table, then by all means let him. Anything to get the sappyness of The Fountain out of my mouth.
If I were Aronofsky, I'd personally try and do something original than a remake. Then I'd go bang Rachel Weisz like a cheap hooker.
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...though I know Carpenter's is a remake but a penultimate vision that should not be altered. Maybe sequel, but you can't honestly think it would benefit from a remake do you?
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Just wanted to say that I'd prefer Aronofsky do something original but that, at the end of the day, he's a more interesting director than Verhoven at the moment, and I'd watch anything he had to make.
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Not in tone or anything, but just make it a reboot/sequel to the original, any overwrite number 3.
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They're planning on remaking that, again? I'd prefer they not do that rather than not do Robocop.
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Penultimate vision? Sounds like you're more certain than "maybe" for a sequel.
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The 'lede' isn't the first sentence of a news article.
The 'lede' is the most significant piece of info in the article.
'Burying the lede' refers to an article that breaks one of the basic rules of news writing, by not opening with the most important point.
For example, 'There were major trafic jams in New York City yesterday. The traffic jams were lengthy, lasting more than 2 hours, and a number of people complained about having to find an alternative way to work. Also two planes slammed into the World Trade Centre killing 3000 people".
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I'm pretty sure everyone here loves it. One of the many beauties of that film was the fact that you have NO IDEA what is really going on. Sure, there are lots of ways to think about it. But who is THE THING, when they changed...all that is ambiguous. And it's a mind fuck. And the actual dog they used in that film gave a great performance, perfectly timed, great shots. CREEPY STUFF.
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it was an anti coporatist film, and its more relevant today, with the privatization of prisons, mercernaries making more than our troops in iraq, and a president who is willing to sell the united states to the lowest bidder...of course there is no reason to remake this movie...but there was no reason to remake the manchurian candidate or the day the earth stood still...but hollywood keeps doing this shit anyway
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Even if there was a Directive 5, it wouldn't be about remaking movies.
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I didn't go to journalism school, so perhaps I should simply shut the fuck up, Donnie, but I thought it was "lead" as in the "lead" story being buried under more unimportant information or articles, akin to what newc0253 had illustrated. But if you guys say it's actually "lede," then I hereby issue the Mr. Beaks my formal apology for my hubris.
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Um...an interesting perspective on world events. Have you considered applying for a job with Fox News?
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The lede you gave as an example was a bit lengthy. It really shouldn't exceed 30 words, with 15-25 being most desired.
And I meant to say the lede was the first few sentences, which summarizes the most important information in the article in order catch the reader's attention. I was speaking in terms of the inverted pyramid, which is mostly what I was taught. -
i really think you should tell us the cool news, and then stop. since i'm a simple, single minded geeky fuckwit, i can't abide reading opinions that differ from my own. your wacky opinions on how relevant wener herzogs movies are etc, sheesh. just tell us the fuckin news. you make no sense man! robocop is iconic, it shouldn;t be remade because its very much a product of its time, yes, aronofsky would be wasting his considerable talent on it (probably, on paper at least) but you then say a REMAKE of the thing is acceptable? What, the thing isn't iconic? the thing isn't considered by many to be the defining horror film of the 80's, and perhaps john carpenters best film? oh yeah... the thing itself is a REMAKE beaks, of a howard hawks film (i'm sure you know this, just makin sure). i'm sure if AICN were around in 1982 the news of someone remaking a classic hawks picture would garner the same response you've given us here. seriously, wait until the fucking movie's been made before you pass judgement. also... may i be the first to say....this movie won't happen. aronofsky's name gets attached to so many things and he's only made 3 films in the last 10 years, so chill the fuck out man. it'll get passed to some hack, probably kurt wimmer. or PWS anderson.
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...just looked up some info and found out it is spelled "lede," though that version of the word was basically coined to avoid confusion with the word "lead" (sounded as "Led") because lead was used in typesetting way back in the early days of the press. Thin strips of lead were used to separate lines of text by the typesetters, and well, blah, blah blah. I'm Cliff Clavening this whole thing now. Anyway, I still apologize to Beaks for my ignorance, but it does seem an easy mistake to make.
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Whomever coined "re-imagined" and "re-imagining" needs to have their eyeballs removed, and fed to them.
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As someone who does have a degree in journalism, this talkback has been great amusement. Most of you got it right, though.
It's 'lede', it's pretty much the most important hook of the story, and you do want it to be in the first 30 words. You're supposed to write the five W's and How in there, too, and then elaborate with the rest of the story. The lede can be delayed some if you go with a soft lede, but it all needs to be explained quickly in what's called the nut graph, which is a paragraph of all the pertinent info (first time I heard this term in journo school, I thought the professor was saying "nut grab", as in, grab the reader by the nuts. I guess you want to do that, to, in a way...)
For a good example of how to do this badly, read Gamespot's articles. Like when the PS3 2.4 patch came out. The meat of that story is that it adds in-game XMB and trophies, among other things. But since it's a typical Gamespot story, they give you 4 paragraphs of history on Sony's promises and what-not before explaining when the fucking patch comes out and what it includes. Thus, they buried the lede.
Also, inverted pyramid is pretty much extinct and not taught anymore - the digital age removed the need. Used to be, you wanted the least important crap on the bottom, because until 10-15 years ago, articles were physically cut with scissors to make them fit on the page. The digital age has removed that, though, since Quark and InDesign are the industry standards and it's simple to cut words digitally and move columns of text around.
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That would stop all this bullshit.
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Jul 09, 2008 4:53:44 AM CDT
"Also, inverted pyramid is pretty much extinct and not taught an
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I spent my entire first year in uni pretty much ONLY being taught inverted pyramid.
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I just finished working at a newspaper for a year and we used InDesign (and personally I didn't care for it, it has it's pluses, but it may have been our out of date computers too), but we never talked about the inverted pyrimad if it hadn't been for journalism classes in College (13 years ago) I wouldn't know what they were
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On the PRO side, much better special effects. On the CON side, worse dialogue, worse music, worse acting, worse editing, worse production design, worse photography, and worst of all the with and ideas will all be removed. (Oh, and it will of course be a PG-13.)
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Pi was fucking genius - but Requiem was just ok - and Fountain BLEW DOG!!
Two hours of watching Neo talk to The Architect would be CINEMATIC FUCKING ECSTASY compared to that piece of utter garbage wrapped in a polished turd!
Also, let's have us a quick reading comprehension test shall we - does anyone get that Carpenter's THE THING was a remake and therefore - as Beaks has pointed out - is a perfect example of getting a frikkin remake RIGHT??
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... then I'll live with an actual artist getting control. I was searingly pissed that Robocop's been in the remake rumor mill for a couple of years up until Daren was mentioned. Here's hoping.
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Nothing to add here, except there's nothing Robocop attempted that could be done better today. I don't even want the stop motion redone in CG...if you must, just build a practical ED 209 and film that.
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How..Dare...You
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Just calling it like I see it. And I am not an American or a Republican ! And surely Red Dawn was the kind of movie that rabid Fox News consumers would eat up anyway ?
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is a remake. As is the fly, Scarface, and a few others. It can be done, but to do it you have to have qualities that Hollywood demonstrably does not have.
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as a rule. Anyhoo, the point is the exceptions show that Remakes should only be attempted when the stars are in perfect alignment. At any other time they will be ass
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please, Hollywood, enough! for the love of god! stop remarking, rebuilding, reloading, rebooting for christ's sakes!
one more comic book movie, one more remake and i don't know what the fuck i'll do!
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i wasn't giving an example of a lede, dude. i was giving an example of burying it, e.g. a story about 9/11 that opens with a traffic jam.
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Not directive 5.
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I don't really need to see a Robocop remake (a decent sequel would be nice), but I'd rather have Aronofsky in charge than some Ratner-like moron. He's a big comic book fan and a big Frank Miller fan (remember those rumours of him directing Year One or Ronin? I still wanna see that). The man is definitely 3 for 3 in my book. I fuckin adore The Fountain. I'd love to see his take on Orwell's masterpiece. Also, chipps, you're an idiot.
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Jul 09, 2008 7:24:50 AM CDT
Seriously... if this has to happen, let it be someone COMPETENT
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And yes, that is praise for Darren. If they're going to remake this, it may as well be done by someone with talent.
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I got my fucking bad ass Robocop 3-D poster staring at me all day in my cube, and everyone that sees it KNOWS who he is. Why not just make a fucking sequel that doesn't suck? I don't think people need to be reminded who Robocop is. I mean the new rage these days is a re-boot and thanks to Rambo and Rocky, Sly's shown us how to reboot a series. I'd say get together with Sly and re-boot or a possible redo of Judge Dredd, there is an amazing amount of material sitting around already for Dredd, and Sly could still pull it off.
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Look dude, I dig your movies. I think you do a hellava job telling a story on film. And if there is anyone that is going to try to "rebuild" Robocop, I think you're a damn fine choice for the director's chair. Just please, for the love of god, don't turn in some PG-13 bastardization of Robocop. Watch the original, the things that need improving are obvious, but leave the rest alone. Don't try to redesign the Robocop suit, just refine it. Keep the harsh language, keep the corporate backstabbing, keep the drugs, and above all else - KEEP THE VIOLENCE.
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Mel Brooks didn't direct To Be or Not to Be. He starred in and produced it.
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One of the reasons Robocop 3 failed (well, one of the many reasons) is that it didn't have Peter Weller. I'm not saying there's not an actor out there who could do it, but the casting better be spot-fucking on. I love me some Aronofsky, though, so this news thrills the fuck out of me.
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I was fucking excited and happy when Harry Sloan revived MGM/UA, because I was glad to see this classic Hollywood studio back on its feet. HOWEVER, if the reason they came back was just to mine the fuck out of their catalog and remake their older films, then count me the fuck out. They've got a shit ton of remakes, most which I don't give a shit about, I'm just fucking tired of FUCKING REMAKES DAMNIT. /endrant
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Sure, it's an iconic movie, but it's hard to watch without thinking, "it's an '80s flick." Snorting coke off a hooker's chest is so fucking '80s. All the cars are so fucking '80s. The hair. The dialog. The yuppie-suit-me-first mentality about evil corporations. It's all dated, tired, '80s bullshit and completely takes away my enjoyment of the hypergore otherwise. Were Robocop to actually get a retelling, what ISN'T there to be excited about when a visionary director like Aaronofsky is involved? Why are people so worried about protecting this person's career, instead of being psyched about seeing what a real talent could do with a beloved franchise?
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looking at my 3-D robocop poster I see that word on the bottom of it... it used to be on every movie. Remember the stars come together and spin around to form an O and then rion is pooped out from behind it? What happened to that company? Did they go the way of the Cut throat island company? Also it says read the Dell book, is that just for a book of the movie or is robocop based off of a book? Also if you haven't seen them yet check out McFalerns 3-D movie posters they are fucking awesome and I wish he would do like a billion more.
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make some new movies. Actual new source material instead of devolving into a patois of cinema devouring itself like the effing midgard serpent.
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Are you freaking kidding me! I'd rather robocop take a nice swirl to the bottomless abyss then to see any one mess with one of my favorite movies ever! This one is def hands off.. robocop my rear!
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...but with Frank Darabont's script!
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Does anyone seriously expect Aronofsky to deliver a sanitised version of Robocop?
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Then Robocop could fight the Transformers!!! Oh my God, just the thought makes me want to explode in my pants.
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Murphy, whilst aligning his chakras on the magical space ball of seeping vagina trees, is gunned down (metaphorically) by the sinister Blue Meanies of Planet Bummer, he is then resurrected, through the power of the crystal-patchouli matrix, and becomes RoboNewAgeWankerCop! The latter half of the film consists of Darren letting us all know that he's banging Rachel Weisz (at least until she dumps him when she realizes he's a hack putz Lynch wannabe whose ship sailed something like 10 years ago when he made a medicore, if somewhat interesting, low budget sci-fi film, then followed by a ludicrously obvious and shrill heroin movie, and then an unintentionally hilarious new age soap opera abortion). The End! (We hope!)
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Robocop stands the test of time very well. Fucking Red as a bad MF, "Bitches leave" has to be one of the greatest lines in a movie ever.
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I'd see a Red Dawn remake if they put the cast of Scrubs in all the leads.
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Actually, hands off everything, you assholes. I don't want to be doomed to movie discussions with my young son that grow to epic proportions because I have to clarify which damn version of the film I'm talking about. "No, I mean the 1980s Robocop. Yes, there really were movies back then. Please pass the space popcorn."
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that I also think "Bitches, leave!" is one of the greatest movie lines ever. Good call, Series7.
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Is THE greatest line of film dialogue ever.
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and then never ends up doing them.
Of course, I wish he would...'cause he's 3 for 3 in my book, each one getting progressively better.
Why DID everybody hate The Fountain anyways? I have tried several times to watch it scrutinously, with the mindset of "this is a terrible movie, and here's why," but never to any avail. All the pretentious boobs in my school's film club say it's because "it's been done before, and better,
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Just when I was really beginning to enjoy your upgraded and proliferating contributions to AICN, you go and say something that might just be unforgivable.
I want you to tell me that you were joking when you said that you'd not only take a TOP GUN remake over a ROBOCOP remake, but that you actually think TOP GUN could be "updated".
Take it back, Beaks. Take back what you said about Thor.
Certain things I can learn to accept/ignore on this website, like the effusive and hyperbolic praise for HELLBOY II (or any del Toro project) that we're likely to be bombarded with in the coming weeks, but I don't want to have to learn to start ignoring you. I want to keep liking you. You're making it difficult at the moment.
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It was an unintentionally hilarious muddled piece of shit? It was Aronofsky jerking off all over himself (and his collection of power crystals he bought at the mall)? It was a bunch of self-important, pretentious, new age-y clap trap? It was, put mildly, a howlingly awful stoner intellectual adolescent morass that made the philosophy of the Matrix seem like the second coming of Kubrick? Need I go on?
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And what the fuck is a "lede"? Isn't it "Burying the LEAD"...as in "Burying the LEADing sentence"?
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Why not do it with an artist like Aronofsky instead of some hack?
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You still haven't said WHY you think it sucks, just that you think it sucks. Did some new age hippie chick break your heart?
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If you think about, done right, a Red Dawn remake could be so relevant to iraq/afghanistan and, give it a few weeks, iran.
The wolverines arent so differant than the taliban or mudjahadin if you think about it.
To make money though, its got to be a balls to the wall USA!USA!USA vs The Reds (or it wouldnt be red dawn), but some subtle hints about the "one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist" argument could make it a very interesting take. Perhaps a more sympathetic view to the russians/chinese side of things (They've invaded to make a regime change and force their social views of "freedom" onto americans).
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The Fountain was brilliant, touching, beautiful, haunting, tragic... A golden turd? You're an idiot.
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how fuckawesome would that be.
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one of my favorite Mel Brooks movies.
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not to rede!
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Especially the part where Robocop has a beer and cheets on his wife.
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I disagree. I like his work very much, but The Fountain was a load of shite.
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What is wrong with Devin Faraci lately? CHUD's article on this ROBOCOP story contains the following snipe:"Aronofsky's always been ready to do a mainstream movie - his take on Batman would have been fucking killer and made Nolan's look like Adam West on ecstasy...".Is it Devin's mission now to take a shot at anything Nolan-related or what's the deal here?
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Uh, I believe I posted no less then 4 reasons why I thought it sucked, posed, sardonically, as rhetorical questions. And, no, I have never had my heart broken by a new age-y hippie girl. Fucked quite a few of them in college, though. They're usually smelly, but loose (which is to say sexually forthcoming), so its all good.
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Jul 09, 2008 9:38:07 AM CDT
"These are the new ledes. These are the Glengarry ledes."
by mr. nice gaius
"And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers."
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Sure the movie may feature Murphy injecting heroin into his veins and edited in a way that can make you dizzy. But the potential for Lewis doing the infamous Jennifer Connolly scene at the party is also there... In all serious, stop bitching about this choice. We could get a bland or generic director take this on. The film is going to be remade regardless of what we say. Rather have it done by someone good.
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Over think the Fountain. Its got the story of Ms. Aronofsky dying set in todays time, and then the Myan thing and the space thing. The Myan story is the book that she was writing before she died, and shit maybe it is a little preachy because I though the space story was part of the book but its not. Its like the a storytelling something, its kind of like those movies where someone starts telling someone a story and they think its just a story and then in the end its real and the movie finishs from there? Kind of like Thriller? I don't know I lost myself in that. I just know The Foutain ranks up there as one of the most love it or hate it movies ever, there is no try for that movie. Also I though the score was amazing...and so do movie trailer makers.
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Sorry, I just don't think that "It was Aronofsky jerking off all over himself (and his collection of power crystals he bought at the mall)?" qualifies as proper criticism, but since this is AICN I'll just say "when in Rome" and agree to disagree. As for those hippie chicks, they sure are fun, aren't they? This one time one of them "crystal cleansed" my aura after I banged her against a tree. Good times.
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Douche.
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Great Who album!
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Shit, fucked it up...Still a great album...
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Is a fucking loser. Plain and simple. I don't understand how he has any sort of following when his reviews are just off. He has been on this hate train for TDK for a while and it just makes him look ridiculous since the praise for the film has been nearly universal. Did he get drunk at a "Batman Begins" press junket and offered Nolan and Bale a BJ was was rejected?
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Everything about Top Gun ties it to the era - it is iconic. No remake could possibly fail worse than a remake of Top Gun.
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Go ahead and make another one in an attempt to "reboot" (i HATE that term) the series, but please, PLEASE do NOT remake it, reimagine it, nothing. There are some things that should not be touched, and this is one of them. I have no desire to see one of my favorite films remade into modern day nonsense.
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It was social satire, capitalist and corporate satire, but no superhero satire. Even with all the satire, the hero's central story is poignant and affecting. No shit.
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Robocop has a killer score.
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But nobody's gonna stop them from doing this, so I'm impressed that they're at least talking to one semi-interesting director. Of course, I thought Richard Kelly was an "interesting director" before he made SOUTHLAND TALES. So I ain't holding my breath. But somehow I pictured somebody like Len Wiseman being the very best director they would even consider for this. So this is good news.
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There's a concept that's more up his alley.
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"you can keep the gum."
I can't see that guy playing Red in the 70s show. It just makes no sense.
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So as cool as it wold be to see him back...the original is pretty much a perfect film. No remake can ever top it. A sequel could be interesting though.
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Interesting directors. I put Kelly, Aronofsky and P.T. Anderson in the category of most interesting (american) directors out right now. Kelly proved that he just full of himself, and Darien is not putting out enough stuff. I think PT Anderson is the best new interesting director working right now and it would be cool to see his take on a franchise or big budget movie. But I'll give Aronofsky a shot.
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To remake Robocop is a bad idea. For Aronofsky to remake Robocop is a terrible idea. Not that I don't think he could do it, but why make it when he could just do his own ideas or something we haven't seen before. I'm more open to that Escape from New York remake than Robocop. Robocop still holds up today, and as much as I love EFNY, with a budget today and in the right hands that could bring something new to the table.
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I'm a big fan of remakes, but this one makes no sense. Especially if they remove one of the elements that made Robocop great. It's grotesque and overbearing depiction of violence.
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Maybe these people have seen his wrestling movie, but nothing about Pi, Requiem, or The Fountain indicates that Aranofsky has a f'n clue how to handle a sci-fi action satire. I mean, fuck, why not give it to Nancy Meyers? She's directed four films.
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taste and opinion. It hit me at home and I found it to be very comforting. Maybe your experiences with death govern how you take to it? I don't get how a wooshing sound when candles pass the camera is funny or makes the movie fall apart? It's just a stylish accent. I agree the movie is not very deep, but the way the story is told is very captivating to me, and leagues above your typical Untraceable or Liscense to Wed. Do those little things really make you dismiss the effort placed into The Fountain? How about the fact it was made on a fraction of the original intended budget? Nobody's mentioned the acting either...Rachel Weisz delivers the same line twice in a row at one point as two separate characters...you hear it twice in ten seconds and the difference is astonishing. Hugh Jackman's suffering in that movie is so real to me that it is painful to watch. The frames in the movie are so satisfyingly detailed and pleasing I can barely blink when I watch it. I think it's a magnificent picture and at least it's not another remake, adaptation (the comic doesn't count, it was made after the original production was shut down so Darren could get the story out somehow...the comic is an adaptation of the movie.), sequel, prequel, franchise reboot, J-horror import or CG animal movie, right?
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The "remake" outlook is kind of bleak when considering this is what we're discussing Aronofsky doing next....
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tell me what these movies are that those film snobs were saying The Fountain ripped off?
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In conclusion: stupid, stupid idea.
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Shia as Maverick,
Tyrese as Goose,
Megan Fox as Charlie,
Channing Tatum as Iceman,
featuring brilliant shots against a sunset, spinning around the capital building, three helicopters rising into frame, and a spinning dramatic shot when the character learns something important! also no takes longer than 3 seconds -
I was wondering what happened to those wacky kids with their whole lives in front of them.
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into good movies! Because taking a good movie and "updating" it into a bad movie makes no sense at all.
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Paul Verhoeven and his POS movie "RoboSchmuck" amazes me to this day that it made ANY money. That flick along with Burton's Batman are the biggest turds to come outaa Hollywood in a LONG time. If I were a director I wouldn't touch RoboCop, but Aronofsky is the type of guy that actually may bring that sorry excuse for a franchise film some credibility.
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I'm okay with this.
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Except, with inflations and all, you can only buy prob'ly just 1/50 of it today.
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wow this whole thing comes down to the fountain, dosent it? all the people who loved the fountain(number3 on my top list)are shitting there pants about a robocop remake, like i am. in my mind, this guy can do no wrong, he and nolan are the best we have.
Darren can remake anything thing he wants or just make anything he wants, and i'm there opening night, the one thing that i dont like is a THING remake,(#1, my fave)wich to me, is a perfect movie, and couldnt be done any better, how about a sequal? if you just have t -
oops, if you just have to fuck with the thing, do a sequal. Think what you want about darren, or the fountain, but no one can do lonely like him, its just that simple.
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with the fountain? i know im fighting a losing battle here, but damn? whats the problem? its not complicated at all, it just takes the viewer to realize its one story, and there is no timeline narrative connection between inquisition spain,current times and future, all the same story, the voyage to save his wife. please watch and form your own opinion, but dont drink the koolaid and just shrug it off. you dont have to love it, but i dont see how anyone could ever see this as being a turd, or done poorly. This is the first movie that i have really really loved that gets shat upon all the time. someone with a brain wana tell me why they dont like it?
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Few on this board can justify with substantial details why it's so easy to dismiss the effort put into The Fountain. I just can't see it as a bad movie no matter how hard I try to.
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and you finger cuffing the fountain, but i just dont get it, that shit blew me out of my chair, Id be curious to see how many fountain haters saw that shit in the theatre, because here, everyone in the theatre cried like little girls for the last 20 minutes... I just dont see anything pretentious about it. cmon folks, the people on this board understand movies other than transformers 7,dont they? they have to.
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Jul 09, 2008 12:17:42 PM CDT
If anybody actually ever LISTENED to Aronofsky
by phantom_of_teh_paradise
They would see that he's not pretentious or above anybody, he's down to earth and very inclusive. Plus...you'd be proud of your movie if Brad Pitt almost single-handedly ruined it to go prance around in Troy. But then again who was the last person on this board to make a successful movie that made it into theaters across the US? So you can't condemn somebody for being in a position you or I don't understand first-hand. I realize it's somewhat hypocritical of me to boost somebody for the same thing from the same approach, but the guy has put honest effort into making a movie for people, he's not like Richard Kelly who made a movie purposefully against its audience. Now THAT is a pretentious director with a big head.
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No ass to ass.
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Don't we all...
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I was hoping you guys would figure it meant "Great Directors Cannot Remake ROBOCOP" without me spelling it out. I'm also not suggesting Aronofsky remake John Carpenter's THE THING; I'm asking if he could pull off a rethinking as viable as Carpenter's film. And he could. But the odds are against it.
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Verhoeven is the only logical choice here. Now, spits tooth on desk, "Just gimmie my f*cking phone call!"
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"Take it back, Beaks. Take back what you said about Thor."
Nice. That's one for the ultra-geeks.
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Robocop:PaulV. WOULD NEVER.John McT? also would never (nothing to prove)Jan De Bot...??? this is where your list falls completely apart.Then you evoke Cameron, Wow, I think its safe to say He could make any action film more ACTION!-E but Robocop. He'd never. Bay are you serious, I mean De Bot can't direct emotion for shit, but Bay. Eye Candy? fuck eye-candy, Michael Bay should direct your Itunes visualizer. LEAVE ROBOCOP ALONE!!!!!!
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Jul 09, 2008 1:19:29 PM CDT
PLEASE PLEASE, JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE!!! (cry sniffle) LEAVE ROBO
by g-ride9000
(cry cry)YOU PEOPLE....JUST DON"T KNOW WHEN TO STOP (cry cry, sniffle) PLEASE LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!LEAVE ROBOCOP ALONE RIGHT NOW....I MEAN IT!!!(cry cry sniffle)
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..they call it "Robot Cop".
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I know of one person who would drop that reference around me (and expect me to get it). Well played.
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Pi was an ok movie that fell apart at the end. Requiem was a decent movie with no repeat viewing value whatsoever. The fountain was some neat visual eye candy that needed a better story behind it.
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AND EVERY EXECUTIVE BOARDROOM WILL HAVE A LOADED SILVER COATED HAND CANNON IN A WOODEN BOX NEXT TO "THE OLD MAN".
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Is absolutely hilarious in every way. I'll gladly go watch the original (which I've never seen) but you're high on every crack ever made if you can't see how funny that movie is.
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hey, i really cant argue with your opinion, and i cant tell you why it should have hit home, because i dont know you, so its a whatever basically. I just thought that we were with hugh jackman for the 2 weeks before his wife died of cancer, when he himself is a top cancer doctor racing against time to save her,so i think that if hes crying all the time, it makes sense.i thought his acting was damn amazing, the part where he tattooed his own finger especially. you didnt really say, this dosent make sense, or this dosent jive, it just didnt grab you, and you didnt like it, so you cant really be wrong. I dont think you were one of the people saying it was shit, wich not liking it and thinking its crap are 2 different planets. you should watch it again anyway, maybe while your sad about something, turn your cell phone off, etc..its just soo damn good..
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requiem has no repeat viewing value? now that sir, i can argue with. please...that movie makes people feel physically sick, puts people in bad moods,and generally fucks with peoples heads. its the best anti-drug movie ever made. maybe what you do need is repeat viewings.
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...the Thing...it's still a remake. John Carpenter couldn't remake it now and I'd even bet, if you grafted his 80's self onto him now...he still couldn't remake it worth a shit. I believe that these movies come together in far more than just names, production, etc...the sheer scope itself which involves everything (setting, cultural and political atmosphere, and so on) cannot be replicated. This is why most remakes suck in general but when you attempt to take a 'classic' film beloved by many...particularly a 'cult-classic' like Robocop, even with a brilliant talent, you're basically swimming upstream. And we all know what happens to mutherfuggers who try to ice skate up hill.There are movies ripe for remakes...the best are sleeper films that not many saw or know about but quite a few enjoy thouroughly...but even then it can still suck ass huge (think: "The Hitcher", great original arguably ripe for a remake but look at the results).
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He's working on 2 projects right now: THE FIGHTER and THE WRESTLER. They are bios of guys down on their luck, seeking redemption. If Aronofsky wants to redeem himself, he should go back to doing original ideas; maybe he just wants to be a commercial, mainstream director, like Michael Bay.
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You are a truncheon!! YES A TRUNCHEON!!!
You wouldn't know a good director if he came up to you a sign saying "the person hold this sign is a great director you truncheon!".
Carpenter from the 70s/80s was an epic director! To think he even scored most of his own films without even being able to read/write music! Get on your knees and kiss the ground he's walked on worm! -
Robocop vs. the Terminator!!! for you Dark horse fans!
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Is that they aren't even remakes. They are like updates. If re-makes were treated like Shakespeares work (most of which were remakes themselves) in that millions of stories/movies have taken a Shakespeare story and just took the frame of it to make there own story. Kind of like how PT Anderson took a segment of Oil! and turned that into a movie. This remake idea needs to stop, both the Fly and The Thing were not remakes, they took the idea and did something totally new with it. If they are going to take something like Robocop, who face it is an 80's thing, if it comes out today its going to look like I,Robot, they need to just Batman Begins it. Fucking start new, just take the concept of murdered cop brough back to life in a robic suit.
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it might actually be GOOD
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I watched Pi and was unabled to finished it. Perhaps the only repeat viewing value of Requiem is the full frontal nudity of Jennifer Connelly. Seen The Fountain too, while i did get it i was never bought into Jackman's character.
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When has Darrin been known for just doing original work? Requieme for a Dream was a book by the prison guard telling the Waynes brother to stir.
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I also went to J-school, studied under reporters and editors who'd worked on the Washington Post, Fresno Bee (much more important paper than you'd think), Chicago Tribune. They spelled it "lead," as did the AP Style Manual of the early '80s. "Lede" is a variation that was used for a long while then fell out of favor as lead type became less common and newsroom confusion between a lead paragraph and "giving something more lead" or additional line spacing with "leading" was not an issue. It seems to have returned in recent years, I suspect as part of business jargon that creeps into all enterprises - jargon the AP strongly discouraged in the old days. Heh.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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This bad very bad (In Dr. Smith voice)doomed I say.
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I like Robocop but I wouldn't care too much if it was bollocksed up. But The Fly? The Thing?? are you kidding? There's just no need..
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Great name for a bad guy. I just watched the unrated cut for the first time in like 10 years and it holds up really well, like we've all said. The crazy melting toxic waste man was a little over the top though...
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Anything new on the Wolfman remake with Benicio. That could be cool
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...it's a "true" adaptation of the original John Campbell short story called "Who goes there?" (one of the best titles ever!). The B&W 1951 version of "The Thing from another World" is similar to Carpenter's film and Campbell's work only in genre, general locale, and concept.The shapeshifter/doppleganger aspect absent in the 1951 film are from the original text by Campbell. Carpenter's film is an almost note for note adaptation of the original story (set in the 'modern times' for when Carpenter's was made, Campbell's story was set in the 30s or 40s I believe). To not have the primary 'whom to trust' aspect from the short story completely detracts from the power of the narrative and Carpenter's film, thus, "The Thing from Another World" is barely an adaptation while Carpenter's work is pure adaptation...not remotely a "remake" of the 1951 film.
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In that he wants a tough gritty yet artsy super-hero franchise of his own
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I like the Kershner/ Miller sequel. "Franchise" is the dirty word here, people, cuz you know that's what they have in mind. I say as long as they do, they should Superman Returns the thing, bring back Weller, and add some new back story. NO REMAKE.
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And feel weirdly proud about it. I'm actually one of the few people on earth that thinks the song "And then he kissed me" was better used in THAT movie, than in Goodfellas. That's right, I said it. And I won't take it back.
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Do Hollywood execs just sit around and look at lists of old movies? Then randomly pick one and say "Hey if we make this pg-13 idiots will go see it!" and then some other ass hole says "Get Shia and Bret Ratner on the line we need to make a shitty pg-13 remake quick!". Fuck these guys I say we pull a robo-cop and fuck these guys up!
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i hit you with me
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I can't think of any film I care less about someone remaking than Robocop. anti-capitalism? anti-corporate?I guess I was a kid when I saw it but all I remember is the first time I heard "motherfucker" on screen, and a guy's arm got shot off. hardly Lawrence of Arabia.that said, I do like Aronofsky, and if this would mess HIM up to do, than I'm against it.but honestly, robocop? calm down fellas. it's about a goddamn robotic cop, and it had, what, 3 crappy sequels? let's not treat it as some iconic, untouchable masterpiece.
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and rebooted 50 years later to clean up a more crime-ridden Detroit than ever. Kind of like Demolition Man, but with robots. Easy way to ditch all of the continuity of the sequels. It's simply Robocop. Kicking ass. You don't need to remake it to do it for a wider audience. Hell, don't even number it.
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It makes more sense. A lot of these movies existed because there was a good idea there in the first place. Why not take another swing? If it were up to me I'd remake Maximum Overdrive (campy idea fit for Sam Raimi if you ask me), Cats & Dogs (Great idea except that it should have been what the idea implied, pets fighting for "our" love) and Mars Attacks (great for some War on Terror satire).
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though I'd rahter see something original
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Like all of us here, I've seen what might be considered to be an "Assload" of films in my life. Of all those films, there have only been 3 that I thought were literally perfect. 3 Films that could not be made better in any way - absolutely no room for improvement left, whatsoever. As I'm sure you've guessed by now, RoboCop is one of those films. What an immensly retarded idea.
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just watching Halloween ii. good movie but, in the credits it has michael myers (i still laugh at that) as a 23 yr old when 6+15=21. anyway i bet you knew that already.
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What are your other 2?
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I'd see any-thong period, as long as it wasn't on a dude.
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To quote Boba Fat “...it's a re-build and that's a totally different thing. Like tearing down the Eiffel Tower and re-building it with a revolving Mc Donalds on top.” Oh yeah, rebuilding/remake=REHASH any way you say it. Yeah, I can see all now: Robocop pissing on a dog a la Bumblebee. No Fucking Way! The track record for rehashes(remakes) is pathetic at BEST! Remakes are no good. Reboot Robo might be good. Have the Robocop program start over with a new cop and new team, just like the first Robocop being a success but long retired. Start over years into the future just like the o.g. Robocop. Have his services needed once more. That premise may work if done right but IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM rehash Robocop. Was the movie perfect? NO! In a movie goer’s paradise it would have but no movie will ever be perfect for all. The times have changed so drastically that very few movies can get away with the violence the o.g. Robocop had. The fucking suits will bend over and take it up the ass as soon as some overly protected parent sees the violence and screams out “think about the children” and have the government step in. Fuck that! I would love to see a reboot of Robocop but not a remake/rehash. With a shit load of remakes that have done so fucking poorly in the theaters, what the FUCK have those Hollywood hookers been smoking, snorting and shooting to think audiences didn’t have enough of remakes?!?!? Give me some! I want to visit WhatTheFuck Land! Hell, while those ass monkey want to rehash classic movies I have a few classics they might want to diarrhea on: Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather-all of them!, Citizen Kane, To Kill A Mocking Bird, all the Disney classic animated movies before The Lion King, and just for good measure all of the James Bond movies before A View To a Kill! Now I can’t wait for all those movies to be raped.
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only blokes. it unbecoming.
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Natural Born Killers and There Will Be Blood.
With honourable mentions to Goodfellas, and Apocalypse Now.
Let me be clear, these are not my favourite movies, just movies where everything was done perfectly for that one particular story being told.
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Cool. Love both those films. I'd put SE7EN in that category though I may get flamed for it. "What's in the BOX!?!"
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There isn't a powertool in existence that can grind the image out of your head when you see a dude in a thong...
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you wear them on your feet
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mate. no wonder, you're talking about footwear (aka flipflops, I know, stupid name)and I'm talking about asswear. my bad
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i was just joking around
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Just smoked pot for the first time in a long while (for me at least). Feel pretty retarded and its showing in my talkback, he he
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now go and rent the big lebowski. or fear and loathing in las vegas.
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proud owner. and my name is actually Donny, so I get Shut the fuck up Donny constantly from my friends...
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No other guy can do it.
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But it was
deleted by Orion Pictures days before the film’s release. It was part of a cumbersome
program which would not have allowed Robo to appear
in a sequel.
Or a fucking remake. No matter how many times Robo was rebooted.
I think someone should remake House. Ding dong… you’re dead.
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I'm very glad. Now please take back your unholy statements about TOP GUN so I can go back to enjoying you as a contributor.
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Shit I knew what mrbeaks was referring to - and yes it *is* Directive 5, for those of you who obviously haven't seen the film or remember it very well. A sequel would be a much better idea - the original is in my top 10, and untouchable as far as I am concerned. (R2 was average and R3 was crap). So let's see how Murphy is faring over two decades later in a full-on sequel, preferably made by Mr. Verhoeven himself...
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Verhoeven's political satire masterpieces. Both films are demented masterpieces and Robocop uncut is one of the most violent films ever made. If Aronofsky remakes Robocop it could be along the lines of Nolan's take on Batman. Given the Dark Knight is knocking on the door of best film for 2008 then this might be a good thing. That said Robocop is a film that will never be topped as far as dark satire goes.
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At least, not one that anyone in their right mind would consider./
Guide #1 of remakes: does the original suck?/
Guide #2 of remakes: is the original dated?
If not #1 or #2, are you retarded? The Thing From Another World and Manchurian Candidate were incredibly dated but very good, hence Rule #2.
Ocean's Eleven and Prom Night were very bad, hence Rule #1. Granted, they didn't really do much with a Prom Night remake, so fuck 'em.
Halloween was brilliant and timeless, but Hollywood fucked it up. Invasion of the Body Snatchers was done well TWICE, and twice they've fucked it up because they couldn't leave well enough alone.
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They will never ever ever find someone to fill that suit and make it work as well as Weller did. He's simply amazing in the role and he's what makes the film work.
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Calling The Thing a remake is like calling Batman Begins a remake. It's not, it's just a new adaptation.
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...I'm not one for overt satire so I'm not the biggest fans of either RoboCop or Starship Troopers (altho Heinlen's book was excellent and I totally love Dina Meyer...and doesn't the big robot in Robocop look like a giant microphone? with rocket-launchers and mini-guns?). But I agree with the consensus...both are movies that shouldn't be remade...not because they're superb films but because so much came together to make them what they are that it is simply impossible to remake them and not have an shitload of ass (or assload of shit, if you prefer) in place of an actual movie.
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is so fucking timeless it can never be remade.
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I've been a regular visitor to AICN, and never felt compelled to join up and post - that is until today upon reading the sheer volume of completely misinfored crap on this board.
Some have asked: "when has Darren Aronofsky ever done anything original?" Uhhh....'The Fountain'?
Story:
Darren Aronofsky
Original Screenplay:
Darren Aronofsky and Ari Handel (note the use of the word: ORIGINAL there for all you slow folks)
The funny thing about all this is that a lot of you then have the audacity to dismiss that very same film as as fluff piece yet the majority of the posts on this board haven't got a fucking clue what they're talking about in the first place.
as for the comment that phantom_of_teh_paradise made against those of you for claiming Aronofsky is an arrogant prick, I can tell you from personal experience that is far FAR from the truth. I had the pleasure of sitting down with him and watching a private screening of 'The Fountain' at 20th Century Fox HQ in London prior to its release and the guy couldn't have been more friendly, accomodating and down to earth if he was horizontal with his ass spread for me.
You guys may not like certain films, but at least have the common decency to post a suitably intelligent reason why like Xyzzy80 - at least there's soemone willing to say why they didn't like a film rather than posting like a complete dick like you guys. Otherwise your criticisms come across with even less substance than the films that you claim have none themselves.
Unreal. -
Yer mouth sure does look plenty purtty. Uhhuh
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Aronofsky is the most pretentious director there is. He'll probably just add some meaningless eye candy pretending to stand for something, and then attempt to force us to understand his "VISION!". He's so a pretentious ass! Just thinking about him directing it makes me want to vomit. :(
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