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Is Darren Aronofsky Disobeying Directive 5?

Beaks here... They call it "burying the lede". The Hollywood Reporter's headline is "MGM Likes DAWN at the CABIN". The story is about Mary Parent greenlighting a shitload of movies for the revitalized studio. The crucial part of the article lies a-moldering in paragraph thirteen:
Parent and MGM chairman and CEO Harry Sloan announced the "Red Dawn" remake -- along with a big-budget rebuild of "RoboCop," which director Darren Aronofsky among others has recently been in to discuss -- in May at the Festival de Cannes.
So Darren Aronofsky's "been in to discuss" the ROBOCOP, eh? The "rebuild" of the Paul Verhoeven classic. Was he drunk when he took this meeting? Aronofsky's a very smart man. He's three-for-three as a filmmaker. Why would he want to go messing around with something as iconic and sui generis as ROBOCOP? For some reason, I'm thinking of Mel Brooks, one of the greatest comedic minds of our time. Two decades ago, he made a horrible mistake and and remade Ernst Lubitsch's TO BE OR NOT TO BE. The result was decent, but, compared against the original, it was a waste of time, talent and money; it served no purpose, and is barely considered nowadays. I'd like Aronofsky to consider this before he does anything rash. I'm not saying he can't make something worthwhile out of a ROBOCOP "rebuild" (hating this terminology so very much); it's just that... he can't make ROBOCOP. That's been done. And ROBOCOP is a very particular thing. It was a superhero satire before theaters were overrun with superhero movies. It's as relevant today as it was in 1987. It ought not be fucked with. Do what you will to RED DAWN, Ms. Parent, but leave our ROBOCOP alone. And don't be complicit in this, Darren, unless you have a worldbeater of an idea. If you really need a hit, remake something less essential. TOP GUN could be updated. Fox is still futzing around with THE FLY. I'd like to see another BYE BYE LOVE. Do I think you could pull off a JOHN CARPENTER'S THE THING? Yeah. Do I want to see you take that risk when MGM would just as soon greenlight another HOT TUB TIME MACHINE? Not when you've got THE FIGHTER on your dance card. Just... be careful, man. I care. I care too goddamn much. Now who's driving me home?

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  • July 9, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    You're kidding right?

    by Angry Bald Guy

  • July 9, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Red Dawn remake

    by socalactor

    Who would we fight in such a film? The Chinese? Mexico? WHOO???

  • July 9, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Beats a Uwe Boll remake.

    by Pops Freshemeyer

    Just saying...

  • July 9, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    Don't remake Robocop. Just don't

  • July 9, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Darren Aronofsky failed project #2332432432

    by wash

    Won't happen.

  • July 9, 2008, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Gotta be fucking KIDDING me...

    by fuck.wit think someone can be arrogant enough to mess with the 'Cop. Classic, classic movie and it would take something VERY special to even be its equal. Good luck with that shitheads :D

  • July 9, 2008, 3 a.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH! Hollywood greenlights Hancock remake!

    by Mr. P. Lant

    I mean, why the fuck not?

  • July 9, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky's gotta eat...

    by Rupee88

    I know his wife is a wealthy movie star, but still....maybe wants a slamdunk payday.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Burying the "Lede," Beaks?


    You sure about that?

  • July 9, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Quite, Lightstormer

    by mrbeaks

  • July 9, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Dick, I'm very disappointed

    by Project424

    Might be the suck, but I'll at least give Aronofsky a day in court, ya' know?

  • July 9, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Red Dawn Remake easy in this day and age !

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Anti-US Marxist agendas at the fore and spreading throughout South America. Cuba still there. A fair amount of anti-Americanism in general meaning allies might not necessarily be relied upon to come to the aid of the US. A distinct problem brewing with Russia over the anti-missile shield, a Russia buoyed and re-armed by oild and gas revenues. Above all, most US attention and vast swathes of it's military dug in and committed in the Middle East, overseas and a long, long way from the homeland. The scenario actually writes itself.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST


    by messi

    most useless remake ever.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I remember his "vision" for BATMAN: YEAR ONE

    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    I like his movies alot, but get him away from this as far as fucking possible.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Hands Off

    by Uridium

    Every time I read of another remake I shudder. Now this... Robocop for fucks sake... As was stated, this is like saying lets remake Alien! I am Uridium's Rage!

  • July 9, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by TheGoddamnSiege

    A "lede" is a journalism term referring to the first sentence of a newsarticle, which is designed to catch the reader's attention by basically summarizing the most important of the article. The term "burying the lede" is when the information in the lede is not revisited until much later in the article than it be.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Hey, at least it's not a re-make...

    by Boba Fat's a re-build and that's a totally different thing. Like tearing down the Eiffel Tower and re-building it with a revolving Mc Donalds on top.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST


    by TheGoddamnSiege

    The term "burying the lede" is when the information in the lede is not revisited until much later in the article than SHOULD it be.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    By the way...

    by TheGoddamnSiege

    There was no Directive 5.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    RoboCop was an anti-capitalist film...

    by TheGoddamnSiege

    So I agree fully that it's still relevant today. To make it even more relevant, all they'd really new to do is change OCP into a gas company. I love RoboCop, and I'm looking forward to this. Do we REALLY want RoboCop 3 to be the last film starring Alex Murphy? No.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST


    by Boba Fat

    Than should it be? Now you're confusing me.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    3 for 3 my ass

    by Sebilrazen

    I'll admit "Pi" was, and still is a high mark in my mind. "Requiem" was amazing too, but to say that "The Fountain" was a success in its current form is a fucking stretch of imagination, it's like 2 God damned hours of Neo talking to the Architect.<br><br>"The Fountain" is like a gold plated turd, sure it's pretty shit, but it's still shit.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    "Robocop" could be remade.

    by Holeman

    I love it as much as the next guy, but it's not a perfect movie. I'd kind of like to see what came out of it, because I love the character and I'd like to see it on-screen again. "Red Dawn" however is fucking horrible idea.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    john carpenter is a hack

    by chipps

    seriously, have you seen his vampire movies? even the escape movies with the acting so bad that it kinda saves the movies. for that matter kurt russel is a hack.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    It's Robocop, not the Sistine Bloody Chapel

    by newc0253

    Yes, Robocop is an iconic film, together with Aliens part of the evil corporation SF wave of the 80s.<p> But it's also pretty damn clunky in parts and hardly unassailable as a film.<p> While I don't think Robocop is crying out for a remake, if Aronofsky thinks he can bring something new to the table, then by all means let him. Anything to get the sappyness of The Fountain out of my mouth.<p> If I were Aronofsky, I'd personally try and do something original than a remake. Then I'd go bang Rachel Weisz like a cheap hooker.<p> Then

  • July 9, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Gotta agree with UnknownUser Beaks...

    by blckmgk13

    ...though I know Carpenter's is a remake but a penultimate vision that should not be altered. Maybe sequel, but you can't honestly think it would benefit from a remake do you?

  • July 9, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Sorry, got lost there thinking about Rachel Weisz

    by newc0253

    Just wanted to say that I'd prefer Aronofsky do something original but that, at the end of the day, he's a more interesting director than Verhoven at the moment, and I'd watch anything he had to make.<p> Except a sequel to the frakking Fountain.<p>

  • July 9, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    It could work if they just superman returns it

    by blindambition238

    Not in tone or anything, but just make it a reboot/sequel to the original, any overwrite number 3.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    The fly?

    by raknade

    They're planning on remaking that, again? I'd prefer they not do that rather than not do Robocop.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST


    by raknade

    Penultimate vision? Sounds like you're more certain than "maybe" for a sequel.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    p.s. the term "burying the lede"

    by newc0253

    The 'lede' isn't the first sentence of a news article.<p> The 'lede' is the most significant piece of info in the article.<p> 'Burying the lede' refers to an article that breaks one of the basic rules of news writing, by not opening with the most important point.<p> For example, 'There were major trafic jams in New York City yesterday. The traffic jams were lengthy, lasting more than 2 hours, and a number of people complained about having to find an alternative way to work. Also two planes slammed into the World Trade Centre killing 3000 people".<p> Okay, that's a very schematic example but you get the idea.<p>

  • July 9, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    John Carpenter's The Thing

    by nopix

    I'm pretty sure everyone here loves it. One of the many beauties of that film was the fact that you have NO IDEA what is really going on. Sure, there are lots of ways to think about it. But who is THE THING, when they changed...all that is ambiguous. And it's a mind fuck. And the actual dog they used in that film gave a great performance, perfectly timed, great shots. CREEPY STUFF.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    robocop was not an anti capitalist film

    by bacci40

    it was an anti coporatist film, and its more relevant today, with the privatization of prisons, mercernaries making more than our troops in iraq, and a president who is willing to sell the united states to the lowest bidder...of course there is no reason to remake this movie...but there was no reason to remake the manchurian candidate or the day the earth stood still...but hollywood keeps doing this shit anyway

  • July 9, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Headline makes no sense

    by Lloytron

    Even if there was a Directive 5, it wouldn't be about remaking movies.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    It wouldn't be "lead," then?


    I didn't go to journalism school, so perhaps I should simply shut the fuck up, Donnie, but I thought it was "lead" as in the "lead" story being buried under more unimportant information or articles, akin to what newc0253 had illustrated. But if you guys say it's actually "lede," then I hereby issue the Mr. Beaks my formal apology for my hubris.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST


    by TroutMaskReplicant interesting perspective on world events. Have you considered applying for a job with Fox News?

  • July 9, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST


    by TheGoddamnSiege

    The lede you gave as an example was a bit lengthy. It really shouldn't exceed 30 words, with 15-25 being most desired. And I meant to say the lede was the first few sentences, which summarizes the most important information in the article in order catch the reader's attention. I was speaking in terms of the inverted pyramid, which is mostly what I was taught.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    beaks, man.....

    by goatboy500

    i really think you should tell us the cool news, and then stop. since i'm a simple, single minded geeky fuckwit, i can't abide reading opinions that differ from my own. your wacky opinions on how relevant wener herzogs movies are etc, sheesh. just tell us the fuckin news. you make no sense man! robocop is iconic, it shouldn;t be remade because its very much a product of its time, yes, aronofsky would be wasting his considerable talent on it (probably, on paper at least) but you then say a REMAKE of the thing is acceptable? What, the thing isn't iconic? the thing isn't considered by many to be the defining horror film of the 80's, and perhaps john carpenters best film? oh yeah... the thing itself is a REMAKE beaks, of a howard hawks film (i'm sure you know this, just makin sure). i'm sure if AICN were around in 1982 the news of someone remaking a classic hawks picture would garner the same response you've given us here. seriously, wait until the fucking movie's been made before you pass judgement. also... may i be the first to say....this movie won't happen. aronofsky's name gets attached to so many things and he's only made 3 films in the last 10 years, so chill the fuck out man. it'll get passed to some hack, probably kurt wimmer. or PWS anderson.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    OK, I'm not totally crazy...


    ...just looked up some info and found out it is spelled "lede," though that version of the word was basically coined to avoid confusion with the word "lead" (sounded as "Led") because lead was used in typesetting way back in the early days of the press. Thin strips of lead were used to separate lines of text by the typesetters, and well, blah, blah blah. I'm Cliff Clavening this whole thing now. Anyway, I still apologize to Beaks for my ignorance, but it does seem an easy mistake to make.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    At least "rebuild" is a real word

    by The McPoyle Clan

    Whomever coined "re-imagined" and "re-imagining" needs to have their eyeballs removed, and fed to them.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Ledes, Leads, and more Leeds!

    by nascentia

    As someone who does have a degree in journalism, this talkback has been great amusement. Most of you got it right, though. It's 'lede', it's pretty much the most important hook of the story, and you do want it to be in the first 30 words. You're supposed to write the five W's and How in there, too, and then elaborate with the rest of the story. The lede can be delayed some if you go with a soft lede, but it all needs to be explained quickly in what's called the nut graph, which is a paragraph of all the pertinent info (first time I heard this term in journo school, I thought the professor was saying "nut grab", as in, grab the reader by the nuts. I guess you want to do that, to, in a way...) For a good example of how to do this badly, read Gamespot's articles. Like when the PS3 2.4 patch came out. The meat of that story is that it adds in-game XMB and trophies, among other things. But since it's a typical Gamespot story, they give you 4 paragraphs of history on Sony's promises and what-not before explaining when the fucking patch comes out and what it includes. Thus, they buried the lede. Also, inverted pyramid is pretty much extinct and not taught anymore - the digital age removed the need. Used to be, you wanted the least important crap on the bottom, because until 10-15 years ago, articles were physically cut with scissors to make them fit on the page. The digital age has removed that, though, since Quark and InDesign are the industry standards and it's simple to cut words digitally and move columns of text around. And nobody who's name isn't Verhoeven should remake Robocop.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Paul V. should make another one himself!

    by goonies

    That would stop all this bullshit.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    "Also, inverted pyramid is pretty much extinct and not taught an

    by TheGoddamnSiege

    I spent my entire first year in uni pretty much ONLY being taught inverted pyramid. This was a couple years ago, yeah, but it's still a commonly-used newspaper format.

  • July 9, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    ok to weigh in here

    by Bloo

    I just finished working at a newspaper for a year and we used InDesign (and personally I didn't care for it, it has it's pluses, but it may have been our out of date computers too), but we never talked about the inverted pyrimad if it hadn't been for journalism classes in College (13 years ago) I wouldn't know what they were

  • July 9, 2008, 5:19 a.m. CST

    What will happen in the remake

    by Mr Gorilla

    On the PRO side, much better special effects. On the CON side, worse dialogue, worse music, worse acting, worse editing, worse production design, worse photography, and worst of all the with and ideas will all be removed. (Oh, and it will of course be a PG-13.)

  • July 9, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    three for three MY ASS!!

    by the power of GREYSKULL

    Pi was fucking genius - but Requiem was just ok - and Fountain BLEW DOG!! <p> Two hours of watching Neo talk to The Architect would be CINEMATIC FUCKING ECSTASY compared to that piece of utter garbage wrapped in a polished turd! <p> Also, let's have us a quick reading comprehension test shall we - does anyone get that Carpenter's THE THING was a remake and therefore - as Beaks has pointed out - is a perfect example of getting a frikkin remake RIGHT?? <p> There aren't many of them out there. Can YOU name another?

  • ... then I'll live with an actual artist getting control. I was searingly pissed that Robocop's been in the remake rumor mill for a couple of years up until Daren was mentioned. Here's hoping.

  • July 9, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Buried the lede > Nuked the fridge

    by Iowa Snot Client

    Nothing to add here, except there's nothing Robocop attempted that could be done better today. I don't even want the stop motion redone in CG...if you must, just build a practical ED 209 and film that.

  • July 9, 2008, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Remake Top Gun over Robocop?!

    by SugaMouth


  • July 9, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Just calling it like I see it. And I am not an American or a Republican ! And surely Red Dawn was the kind of movie that rabid Fox News consumers would eat up anyway ?

  • July 9, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    The Thing

    by Lost Jarv

    is a remake. As is the fly, Scarface, and a few others. It can be done, but to do it you have to have qualities that Hollywood demonstrably does not have.

  • July 9, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    as a rule. Anyhoo, the point is the exceptions show that Remakes should only be attempted when the stars are in perfect alignment. At any other time they will be ass

  • July 9, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!! no more FUCKING remakes!!!!

    by themagus

    please, Hollywood, enough! for the love of god! stop remarking, rebuilding, reloading, rebooting for christ's sakes! one more comic book movie, one more remake and i don't know what the fuck i'll do! Aronofsky is one of my favourite directors (i even loved the Fountain), whats he doing thinking of making shit like this?

  • July 9, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by newc0253

    i wasn't giving an example of a lede, dude. i was giving an example of burying it, e.g. a story about 9/11 that opens with a traffic jam.<p>

  • July 9, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Ummm, it's DIRECTIVE 4

    by cornponious

    Not directive 5.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky should make 1984.

    by Knuckleduster

    I don't really need to see a Robocop remake (a decent sequel would be nice), but I'd rather have Aronofsky in charge than some Ratner-like moron. He's a big comic book fan and a big Frank Miller fan (remember those rumours of him directing Year One or Ronin? I still wanna see that). The man is definitely 3 for 3 in my book. I fuckin adore The Fountain. I'd love to see his take on Orwell's masterpiece.<p> Also, chipps, you're an idiot.

  • And yes, that is praise for Darren. If they're going to remake this, it may as well be done by someone with talent.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Why re-make?

    by Series7

    I got my fucking bad ass Robocop 3-D poster staring at me all day in my cube, and everyone that sees it KNOWS who he is. Why not just make a fucking sequel that doesn't suck? I don't think people need to be reminded who Robocop is. I mean the new rage these days is a re-boot and thanks to Rambo and Rocky, Sly's shown us how to reboot a series. I'd say get together with Sly and re-boot or a possible redo of Judge Dredd, there is an amazing amount of material sitting around already for Dredd, and Sly could still pull it off.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    To: Darren

    by TheJake

    Look dude, I dig your movies. I think you do a hellava job telling a story on film. And if there is anyone that is going to try to "rebuild" Robocop, I think you're a damn fine choice for the director's chair. Just please, for the love of god, don't turn in some PG-13 bastardization of Robocop. Watch the original, the things that need improving are obvious, but leave the rest alone. Don't try to redesign the Robocop suit, just refine it. Keep the harsh language, keep the corporate backstabbing, keep the drugs, and above all else - KEEP THE VIOLENCE.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Mel Brooks

    by Cinexcellence

    Mel Brooks didn't direct To Be or Not to Be. He starred in and produced it.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Who would play Murphy?

    by scudd

    One of the reasons Robocop 3 failed (well, one of the many reasons) is that it didn't have Peter Weller. I'm not saying there's not an actor out there who could do it, but the casting better be spot-fucking on. I love me some Aronofsky, though, so this news thrills the fuck out of me.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    I've always loved MGM, but...

    by Gungan Slayer

    I was fucking excited and happy when Harry Sloan revived MGM/UA, because I was glad to see this classic Hollywood studio back on its feet. HOWEVER, if the reason they came back was just to mine the fuck out of their catalog and remake their older films, then count me the fuck out. They've got a shit ton of remakes, most which I don't give a shit about, I'm just fucking tired of FUCKING REMAKES DAMNIT. /endrant

  • July 9, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Robocop needs a remake.

    by Parallax

    Sure, it's an iconic movie, but it's hard to watch without thinking, "it's an '80s flick." Snorting coke off a hooker's chest is so fucking '80s. All the cars are so fucking '80s. The hair. The dialog. The yuppie-suit-me-first mentality about evil corporations. It's all dated, tired, '80s bullshit and completely takes away my enjoyment of the hypergore otherwise. Were Robocop to actually get a retelling, what ISN'T there to be excited about when a visionary director like Aaronofsky is involved? Why are people so worried about protecting this person's career, instead of being psyched about seeing what a real talent could do with a beloved franchise?

  • July 9, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    looking at my 3-D robocop poster I see that word on the bottom of it... it used to be on every movie. Remember the stars come together and spin around to form an O and then rion is pooped out from behind it? What happened to that company? Did they go the way of the Cut throat island company? <P> Also it says read the Dell book, is that just for a book of the movie or is robocop based off of a book? Also if you haven't seen them yet check out McFalerns 3-D movie posters they are fucking awesome and I wish he would do like a billion more.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Here I'll make it easy for you

    by Series7 <P> NOW GO BUY!

  • July 9, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Or we could just . . . .

    by fireclown

    make some new movies. Actual new source material instead of devolving into a patois of cinema devouring itself like the effing midgard serpent.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Top Gun?

    by crashbarbarian

    Are you freaking kidding me! I'd rather robocop take a nice swirl to the bottomless abyss then to see any one mess with one of my favorite movies ever! This one is def hands off.. robocop my rear!

  • July 9, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Remake Indy IV

    by Sith Witch

    ...but with Frank Darabont's script!

  • July 9, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    "Keep the violence"?

    by newc0253

    Does anyone seriously expect Aronofsky to deliver a sanitised version of Robocop?<p> The director of Requium for a Dream hardly seems the type to pull his punches.<p>

  • July 9, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Remake with Michael Bay!

    by Slippy

    Then Robocop could fight the Transformers!!! Oh my God, just the thought makes me want to explode in my pants.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    ROBOCOP Has A New Age Fantasee With A Vagina Tree!

    by LaserPants

    Murphy, whilst aligning his chakras on the magical space ball of seeping vagina trees, is gunned down (metaphorically) by the sinister Blue Meanies of Planet Bummer, he is then resurrected, through the power of the crystal-patchouli matrix, and becomes RoboNewAgeWankerCop! The latter half of the film consists of Darren letting us all know that he's banging Rachel Weisz (at least until she dumps him when she realizes he's a hack putz Lynch wannabe whose ship sailed something like 10 years ago when he made a medicore, if somewhat interesting, low budget sci-fi film, then followed by a ludicrously obvious and shrill heroin movie, and then an unintentionally hilarious new age soap opera abortion). The End! (We hope!)

  • July 9, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Oh and sir Beaks a lot is right

    by Series7

    Robocop stands the test of time very well. Fucking Red as a bad MF, "Bitches leave" has to be one of the greatest lines in a movie ever.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST


    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    I'd see a Red Dawn remake if they put the cast of Scrubs in all the leads.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Hands off Top Gun, dammit...

    by KillDozer

    Actually, hands off everything, you assholes. I don't want to be doomed to movie discussions with my young son that grow to epic proportions because I have to clarify which damn version of the film I'm talking about. <p> "No, I mean the 1980s Robocop. Yes, there really were movies back then. Please pass the space popcorn."

  • July 9, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I just wanted to add...

    by KillDozer

    that I also think "Bitches, leave!" is one of the greatest movie lines ever. Good call, Series7.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    "Bitches, Leave!"

    by LaserPants

    Is THE greatest line of film dialogue ever.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky always talks about doing things

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    and then never ends up doing them. Of course, I wish he would...'cause he's 3 for 3 in my book, each one getting progressively better. Why DID everybody hate The Fountain anyways? I have tried several times to watch it scrutinously, with the mindset of "this is a terrible movie, and here's why," but never to any avail. All the pretentious boobs in my school's film club say it's because "it's been done before, and better, and of course if I ask what these movies are they laugh and decide not to tell me (?) Could somebody fill me in on all those movies that are exactly like The Fountain that it apparently ripped off? I want to see them so badly!

  • July 9, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    You Lost Me, Beaks. You Lost Me.

    by Mr. Winston

    Just when I was really beginning to enjoy your upgraded and proliferating contributions to AICN, you go and say something that might just be unforgivable. <br> <br> I want you to tell me that you were joking when you said that you'd not only take a TOP GUN remake over a ROBOCOP remake, but that you actually think TOP GUN could be "updated". <br> <br> Take it back, Beaks. Take back what you said about Thor. <br> <br> Certain things I can learn to accept/ignore on this website, like the effusive and hyperbolic praise for HELLBOY II (or any del Toro project) that we're likely to be bombarded with in the coming weeks, but I don't want to have to learn to start ignoring you. I want to keep liking you. You're making it difficult at the moment. <br> <br> I don't even want to get into a debate. I just want you to take it back and I want to get on with pretending this never actually happened.

  • July 9, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Why THE FOUNTAIN Sucked?

    by LaserPants

    It was an unintentionally hilarious muddled piece of shit? It was Aronofsky jerking off all over himself (and his collection of power crystals he bought at the mall)? It was a bunch of self-important, pretentious, new age-y clap trap? It was, put mildly, a howlingly awful stoner intellectual adolescent morass that made the philosophy of the Matrix seem like the second coming of Kubrick? Need I go on?

  • July 9, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Remake ROBOCOP and there will be...trouble.

    by SpyGuy

    And what the fuck is a "lede"? Isn't it "Burying the LEAD" in "Burying the LEADing sentence"?

  • July 9, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    They're going to remake it anyway...

    by DEX

    Why not do it with an artist like Aronofsky instead of some hack?

  • July 9, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    You still haven't said WHY you think it sucks, just that you think it sucks. Did some new age hippie chick break your heart?

  • July 9, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Red Dawn - Relevant today?

    by wayneagainstthemachine

    If you think about, done right, a Red Dawn remake could be so relevant to iraq/afghanistan and, give it a few weeks, iran. The wolverines arent so differant than the taliban or mudjahadin if you think about it. To make money though, its got to be a balls to the wall USA!USA!USA vs The Reds (or it wouldnt be red dawn), but some subtle hints about the "one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist" argument could make it a very interesting take. Perhaps a more sympathetic view to the russians/chinese side of things (They've invaded to make a regime change and force their social views of "freedom" onto americans). It could be awesome given to an intelligent director/writer.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST


    by waitingimpatientlyforingloriousbastards

    The Fountain was brilliant, touching, beautiful, haunting, tragic... A golden turd? You're an idiot.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST


    by alice 13

    how fuckawesome would that be.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Dear Darren: DON'T.

    by HoboCode

  • July 9, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    To Be or Not To Be

    by ArcadianDS

    one of my favorite Mel Brooks movies.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    I was elected to lede...

    by Embeedeuce

    not to rede!

  • July 9, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky's Robocop Will Be Awesome

    by Duck of Death

    Especially the part where Robocop has a beer and cheets on his wife.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    "He's three-for-three as a filmmaker."

    by fiester

    I disagree. I like his work very much, but The Fountain was a load of shite.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hey Beaks...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What is wrong with Devin Faraci lately? CHUD's article on this ROBOCOP story contains the following snipe:<P>"Aronofsky's always been ready to do a mainstream movie - his take on Batman would have been fucking killer and made Nolan's look like Adam West on ecstasy...".<P>Is it Devin's mission now to take a shot at anything Nolan-related or what's the deal here?

  • July 9, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by LaserPants

    Uh, I believe I posted no less then 4 reasons why I thought it sucked, posed, sardonically, as rhetorical questions. And, no, I have never had my heart broken by a new age-y hippie girl. Fucked quite a few of them in college, though. They're usually smelly, but loose (which is to say sexually forthcoming), so its all good.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    "These are the new ledes. These are the Glengarry ledes."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "And to you they're gold, and you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you would be throwing them away. They're for closers."

  • July 9, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I'd rather Aronofsky than some hack....

    by Mr. Profit

    Sure the movie may feature Murphy injecting heroin into his veins and edited in a way that can make you dizzy. But the potential for Lewis doing the infamous Jennifer Connolly scene at the party is also there... In all serious, stop bitching about this choice. We could get a bland or generic director take this on. The film is going to be remade regardless of what we say. Rather have it done by someone good.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I think a lot of people

    by Series7

    Over think the Fountain. Its got the story of Ms. Aronofsky dying set in todays time, and then the Myan thing and the space thing. The Myan story is the book that she was writing before she died, and shit maybe it is a little preachy because I though the space story was part of the book but its not. Its like the a storytelling something, its kind of like those movies where someone starts telling someone a story and they think its just a story and then in the end its real and the movie finishs from there? Kind of like Thriller? I don't know I lost myself in that. I just know The Foutain ranks up there as one of the most love it or hate it movies ever, there is no try for that movie. Also I though the score was amazing...and so do movie trailer makers.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST


    by Knuckleduster

    Sorry, I just don't think that "It was Aronofsky jerking off all over himself (and his collection of power crystals he bought at the mall)?" qualifies as proper criticism, but since this is AICN I'll just say "when in Rome" and agree to disagree. <p> As for those hippie chicks, they sure are fun, aren't they? This one time one of them "crystal cleansed" my aura after I banged her against a tree. Good times.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    "Sui generis" - pretentious much?

    by shaneo632


  • July 9, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Live at Leed's

    by darth vega

    Great Who album!

  • July 9, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Live at Leeds

    by darth vega

    Shit, fucked it up...Still a great album...

  • July 9, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Devin Faraci

    by Mr. Profit

    Is a fucking loser. Plain and simple. I don't understand how he has any sort of following when his reviews are just off. He has been on this hate train for TDK for a while and it just makes him look ridiculous since the praise for the film has been nearly universal. <p>Did he get drunk at a "Batman Begins" press junket and offered Nolan and Bale a BJ was was rejected?</P>

  • July 9, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by Embeedeuce

  • July 9, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Remake Top Gun = highway to danger zone

    by MrJohnson

    Everything about Top Gun ties it to the era - it is iconic. No remake could possibly fail worse than a remake of Top Gun.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Please leave Robo alone

    by rogueleader66

    Go ahead and make another one in an attempt to "reboot" (i HATE that term) the series, but please, PLEASE do NOT remake it, reimagine it, nothing. There are some things that should not be touched, and this is one of them. I have no desire to see one of my favorite films remade into modern day nonsense.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Robocop wasn't superhero satire

    by Laserhead

    It was social satire, capitalist and corporate satire, but no superhero satire. Even with all the satire, the hero's central story is poignant and affecting. No shit.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Speaking of cool music...

    by Knuckleduster

    Robocop has a killer score.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The only guy remaking it should be Verhoeven

    by Vern

    But nobody's gonna stop them from doing this, so I'm impressed that they're at least talking to one semi-interesting director. Of course, I thought Richard Kelly was an "interesting director" before he made SOUTHLAND TALES. So I ain't holding my breath. But somehow I pictured somebody like Len Wiseman being the very best director they would even consider for this. So this is good news.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Aronofsky should direct Buckaroo Banzai II

    by Christopher3

    There's a concept that's more up his alley.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Best line from Robocop is . . .

    by fireclown

    "you can keep the gum." I can't see that guy playing Red in the 70s show. It just makes no sense.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I LOVE Robocop

    by Raymar

    So as cool as it wold be to see him back...the original is pretty much a perfect film. No remake can ever top it. A sequel could be interesting though.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by Series7

    Interesting directors. I put Kelly, Aronofsky and P.T. Anderson in the category of most interesting (american) directors out right now. Kelly proved that he just full of himself, and Darien is not putting out enough stuff. I think PT Anderson is the best new interesting director working right now and it would be cool to see his take on a franchise or big budget movie. But I'll give Aronofsky a shot.

  • July 9, 2008, 11 a.m. CST


    by Brett_FlashJ

    To remake Robocop is a bad idea. For Aronofsky to remake Robocop is a terrible idea. Not that I don't think he could do it, but why make it when he could just do his own ideas or something we haven't seen before. I'm more open to that Escape from New York remake than Robocop. Robocop still holds up today, and as much as I love EFNY, with a budget today and in the right hands that could bring something new to the table.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    PG-13 Robocop? I'll pass, ED-209 will be a wuss

    by ganymede3010

    I'm a big fan of remakes, but this one makes no sense. Especially if they remove one of the elements that made Robocop great. It's grotesque and overbearing depiction of violence.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    what in his body of work says: Robocop?

    by necgray

    Maybe these people have seen his wrestling movie, but nothing about Pi, Requiem, or The Fountain indicates that Aranofsky has a f'n clue how to handle a sci-fi action satire. I mean, fuck, why not give it to Nancy Meyers? She's directed four films.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Guess it's just a matter of

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    taste and opinion. It hit me at home and I found it to be very comforting. Maybe your experiences with death govern how you take to it? I don't get how a wooshing sound when candles pass the camera is funny or makes the movie fall apart? It's just a stylish accent. I agree the movie is not very deep, but the way the story is told is very captivating to me, and leagues above your typical Untraceable or Liscense to Wed. Do those little things really make you dismiss the effort placed into The Fountain? How about the fact it was made on a fraction of the original intended budget? Nobody's mentioned the acting either...Rachel Weisz delivers the same line twice in a row at one point as two separate hear it twice in ten seconds and the difference is astonishing. Hugh Jackman's suffering in that movie is so real to me that it is painful to watch. The frames in the movie are so satisfyingly detailed and pleasing I can barely blink when I watch it. I think it's a magnificent picture and at least it's not another remake, adaptation (the comic doesn't count, it was made after the original production was shut down so Darren could get the story out somehow...the comic is an adaptation of the movie.), sequel, prequel, franchise reboot, J-horror import or CG animal movie, right?

  • July 9, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    But then again

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    The "remake" outlook is kind of bleak when considering this is what we're discussing Aronofsky doing next....

  • July 9, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    and can anybody

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    tell me what these movies are that those film snobs were saying The Fountain ripped off?

  • July 9, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    how fucktastically fucking awful of a shitty idea

    by just pillow talk

    In conclusion: stupid, stupid idea.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Bay TOP GUN remake =

    by palooka_boy

    Shia as Maverick, Tyrese as Goose, Megan Fox as Charlie, Channing Tatum as Iceman, featuring brilliant shots against a sunset, spinning around the capital building, three helicopters rising into frame, and a spinning dramatic shot when the character learns something important! also no takes longer than 3 seconds

  • July 9, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    How about a sequel to Requim instead?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I was wondering what happened to those wacky kids with their whole lives in front of them.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Someone should try to remake bad movies...

    by hank henshaw

    into good movies! Because taking a good movie and "updating" it into a bad movie makes no sense at all.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Does anyone think Aronofsky kinda overrated?

    by DarthBakpao

  • July 9, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by JohnnyGato

    Paul Verhoeven and his POS movie "RoboSchmuck" amazes me to this day that it made ANY money. That flick along with Burton's Batman are the biggest turds to come outaa Hollywood in a LONG time. If I were a director I wouldn't touch RoboCop, but Aronofsky is the type of guy that actually may bring that sorry excuse for a franchise film some credibility.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    As long as Channing Tatum plays Murphy...

    by mr.brownstone

    I'm okay with this.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    "I'd Buy That For A Dollar!!"

    by DarthBakpao

    Except, with inflations and all, you can only buy prob'ly just 1/50 of it today.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by bobbywatts

    wow this whole thing comes down to the fountain, dosent it? all the people who loved the fountain(number3 on my top list)are shitting there pants about a robocop remake, like i am. in my mind, this guy can do no wrong, he and nolan are the best we have. Darren can remake anything thing he wants or just make anything he wants, and i'm there opening night, the one thing that i dont like is a THING remake,(#1, my fave)wich to me, is a perfect movie, and couldnt be done any better, how about a sequal? if you just have t

  • July 9, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    damn it

    by bobbywatts

    oops, if you just have to fuck with the thing, do a sequal. Think what you want about darren, or the fountain, but no one can do lonely like him, its just that simple. for all you fountain haters out there,watch it again.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    man, whats the problem

    by bobbywatts

    with the fountain? i know im fighting a losing battle here, but damn? whats the problem? its not complicated at all, it just takes the viewer to realize its one story, and there is no timeline narrative connection between inquisition spain,current times and future, all the same story, the voyage to save his wife. please watch and form your own opinion, but dont drink the koolaid and just shrug it off. you dont have to love it, but i dont see how anyone could ever see this as being a turd, or done poorly. This is the first movie that i have really really loved that gets shat upon all the time. someone with a brain wana tell me why they dont like it?

  • July 9, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hear hear bobbywatts

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    Few on this board can justify with substantial details why it's so easy to dismiss the effort put into The Fountain. I just can't see it as a bad movie no matter how hard I try to.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    this is going to be me

    by bobbywatts

    and you finger cuffing the fountain, but i just dont get it, that shit blew me out of my chair, Id be curious to see how many fountain haters saw that shit in the theatre, because here, everyone in the theatre cried like little girls for the last 20 minutes... I just dont see anything pretentious about it. cmon folks, the people on this board understand movies other than transformers 7,dont they? they have to.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    If anybody actually ever LISTENED to Aronofsky

    by phantom_of_teh_paradise

    They would see that he's not pretentious or above anybody, he's down to earth and very inclusive.'d be proud of your movie if Brad Pitt almost single-handedly ruined it to go prance around in Troy. But then again who was the last person on this board to make a successful movie that made it into theaters across the US? So you can't condemn somebody for being in a position you or I don't understand first-hand. I realize it's somewhat hypocritical of me to boost somebody for the same thing from the same approach, but the guy has put honest effort into making a movie for people, he's not like Richard Kelly who made a movie purposefully against its audience. Now THAT is a pretentious director with a big head.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    The Fifth Directive Is...

    by Slugworth

    No ass to ass.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    "I work for Dick Jones!!! DICK JONES!!!"

    by SpyGuy

    Don't we all...

  • July 9, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I Made Up Directive 5

    by mrbeaks

    I was hoping you guys would figure it meant "Great Directors Cannot Remake ROBOCOP" without me spelling it out. I'm also not suggesting Aronofsky remake John Carpenter's THE THING; I'm asking if he could pull off a rethinking as viable as Carpenter's film. And he could. But the odds are against it.

  • July 9, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I'm with Vern on this one...

    by Clarence Boddicker

    Verhoeven is the only logical choice here. Now, spits tooth on desk, "Just gimmie my f*cking phone call!"

  • July 9, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Mr. Winston...


    "Take it back, Beaks. Take back what you said about Thor." <p> Nice. That's one for the ultra-geeks.

  • July 9, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    octagonproplex, your list gives me a hangover

    by g-ride9000

    Robocop:<P><P>PaulV. WOULD NEVER.<P><P>John McT? also would never (nothing to prove)<P><P>Jan De Bot...??? this is where your list falls completely apart.<P><P>Then you evoke Cameron, Wow, I think its safe to say He could make any action film more ACTION!-E but Robocop. He'd never. <P><P>Bay are you serious, I mean De Bot can't direct emotion for shit, but Bay. Eye Candy? fuck eye-candy, Michael Bay should direct your Itunes visualizer. <P><P>LEAVE ROBOCOP ALONE!!!!!!

  • July 9, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by g-ride9000


  • July 9, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I'll see it if..

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ..they call it "Robot Cop".

  • July 9, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Mr. Winston

    by mrbeaks

    I know of one person who would drop that reference around me (and expect me to get it). Well played.

  • July 9, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Yes, DarthBakpao, I find Aronokfsky to be overrated

    by slone13

    Pi was an ok movie that fell apart at the end. Requiem was a decent movie with no repeat viewing value whatsoever. The fountain was some neat visual eye candy that needed a better story behind it.

  • July 9, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by g-ride9000


  • July 9, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Mel Brooks' To Be or Not To Be

    by Movietool

    Is absolutely hilarious in every way. I'll gladly go watch the original (which I've never seen) but you're high on every crack ever made if you can't see how funny that movie is.

  • July 9, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    to xxxyxyxyx

    by bobbywatts

    hey, i really cant argue with your opinion, and i cant tell you why it should have hit home, because i dont know you, so its a whatever basically. I just thought that we were with hugh jackman for the 2 weeks before his wife died of cancer, when he himself is a top cancer doctor racing against time to save her,so i think that if hes crying all the time, it makes sense.i thought his acting was damn amazing, the part where he tattooed his own finger especially. you didnt really say, this dosent make sense, or this dosent jive, it just didnt grab you, and you didnt like it, so you cant really be wrong. I dont think you were one of the people saying it was shit, wich not liking it and thinking its crap are 2 different planets. you should watch it again anyway, maybe while your sad about something, turn your cell phone off, etc..its just soo damn good..

  • July 9, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST


    by bobbywatts

    requiem has no repeat viewing value? now that sir, i can argue with. please...that movie makes people feel physically sick, puts people in bad moods,and generally fucks with peoples heads. its the best anti-drug movie ever made. maybe what you do need is repeat viewings.

  • July 9, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by Harold-Sherbort

  • July 9, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Even if he did come up with a great idea for..

    by Darth Macchio

    ...the's still a remake. John Carpenter couldn't remake it now and I'd even bet, if you grafted his 80's self onto him now...he still couldn't remake it worth a shit. I believe that these movies come together in far more than just names, production, etc...the sheer scope itself which involves everything (setting, cultural and political atmosphere, and so on) cannot be replicated. This is why most remakes suck in general but when you attempt to take a 'classic' film beloved by many...particularly a 'cult-classic' like Robocop, even with a brilliant talent, you're basically swimming upstream. And we all know what happens to mutherfuggers who try to ice skate up hill.<p>There are movies ripe for remakes...the best are sleeper films that not many saw or know about but quite a few enjoy thouroughly...but even then it can still suck ass huge (think: "The Hitcher", great original arguably ripe for a remake but look at the results).

  • July 9, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky is busy doing schloky fight films

    by filmfanatic1

    He's working on 2 projects right now: THE FIGHTER and THE WRESTLER. They are bios of guys down on their luck, seeking redemption. If Aronofsky wants to redeem himself, he should go back to doing original ideas; maybe he just wants to be a commercial, mainstream director, like Michael Bay. Another director lost...

  • July 9, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    chipps you are a...

    by NeilF

    You are a truncheon!! YES A TRUNCHEON!!! You wouldn't know a good director if he came up to you a sign saying "the person hold this sign is a great director you truncheon!". Carpenter from the 70s/80s was an epic director! To think he even scored most of his own films without even being able to read/write music! Get on your knees and kiss the ground he's walked on worm!

  • July 9, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The coolest thing that can be done with Robocop....

    by KillianXX

    Robocop vs. the Terminator!!! for you Dark horse fans!

  • July 9, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    The problem with Re-makes these days

    by Series7

    Is that they aren't even remakes. They are like updates. If re-makes were treated like Shakespeares work (most of which were remakes themselves) in that millions of stories/movies have taken a Shakespeare story and just took the frame of it to make there own story. Kind of like how PT Anderson took a segment of Oil! and turned that into a movie. This remake idea needs to stop, both the Fly and The Thing were not remakes, they took the idea and did something totally new with it. If they are going to take something like Robocop, who face it is an 80's thing, if it comes out today its going to look like I,Robot, they need to just Batman Begins it. Fucking start new, just take the concept of murdered cop brough back to life in a robic suit.

  • July 9, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    This is what would happen if Aronofsky did Robocop...

    by BurgerKing

    it might actually be GOOD

  • July 9, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by DarthBakpao

    I watched Pi and was unabled to finished it. Perhaps the only repeat viewing value of Requiem is the full frontal nudity of Jennifer Connelly. Seen The Fountain too, while i did get it i was never bought into Jackman's character.

  • July 9, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Series7

    When has Darrin been known for just doing original work? Requieme for a Dream was a book by the prison guard telling the Waynes brother to stir.

  • July 9, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by DennisMM

    I also went to J-school, studied under reporters and editors who'd worked on the Washington Post, Fresno Bee (much more important paper than you'd think), Chicago Tribune. They spelled it "lead," as did the AP Style Manual of the early '80s. "Lede" is a variation that was used for a long while then fell out of favor as lead type became less common and newsroom confusion between a lead paragraph and "giving something more lead" or additional line spacing with "leading" was not an issue. It seems to have returned in recent years, I suspect as part of business jargon that creeps into all enterprises - jargon the AP strongly discouraged in the old days. Heh.

  • July 9, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay

    by Second Try

    Damn you Michael Bay

  • July 9, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Robocop vs. Ironman

    by Bricktops hammer

  • July 9, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    "Look at my face Dick, do you think I want a remake?"

    by SID 8.0

    This bad very bad (In Dr. Smith voice)doomed I say.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by ScaryJim

    I like Robocop but I wouldn't care too much if it was bollocksed up. But The Fly? The Thing?? are you kidding? There's just no need.. and ok while we're at it- no need for Robocop but Robocop 3 killed that well enough.

  • July 9, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Clarence Boddicker

    by FraDolcino

    Great name for a bad guy. I just watched the unrated cut for the first time in like 10 years and it holds up really well, like we've all said. The crazy melting toxic waste man was a little over the top though...

  • July 9, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Speaking of remakes

    by Bricktops hammer

    Anything new on the Wolfman remake with Benicio. That could be cool

  • July 9, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The Thing isn't actually a remake at all...

    by Darth Macchio's a "true" adaptation of the original John Campbell short story called "Who goes there?" (one of the best titles ever!). The B&W 1951 version of "The Thing from another World" is similar to Carpenter's film and Campbell's work only in genre, general locale, and concept.<p>The shapeshifter/doppleganger aspect absent in the 1951 film are from the original text by Campbell. Carpenter's film is an almost note for note adaptation of the original story (set in the 'modern times' for when Carpenter's was made, Campbell's story was set in the 30s or 40s I believe). To not have the primary 'whom to trust' aspect from the short story completely detracts from the power of the narrative and Carpenter's film, thus, "The Thing from Another World" is barely an adaptation while Carpenter's work is pure adaptation...not remotely a "remake" of the 1951 film.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky wants to be like Christopher Nolan

    by Chishu_Ryu

    In that he wants a tough gritty yet artsy super-hero franchise of his own

  • July 9, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Great Movie, Lousy Franchise, although...

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    I like the Kershner/ Miller sequel. "Franchise" is the dirty word here, people, cuz you know that's what they have in mind. I say as long as they do, they should Superman Returns the thing, bring back Weller, and add some new back story. NO REMAKE.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Hey I get the TAKE IT BACK reference.

    by Gilkuliehe

    And feel weirdly proud about it. I'm actually one of the few people on earth that thinks the song "And then he kissed me" was better used in THAT movie, than in Goodfellas. That's right, I said it. And I won't take it back.

  • July 9, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    This will not work

    by andrew coleman

    Do Hollywood execs just sit around and look at lists of old movies? Then randomly pick one and say "Hey if we make this pg-13 idiots will go see it!" and then some other ass hole says "Get Shia and Bret Ratner on the line we need to make a shitty pg-13 remake quick!". Fuck these guys I say we pull a robo-cop and fuck these guys up!

  • July 9, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    the fountain was unwatchable. total crap.

    by TooWhippy

  • July 9, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    i hit you with me

  • July 9, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    um, am I the only one who doesn't care about Robocop?

    by BadMrWonka

    I can't think of any film I care less about someone remaking than Robocop. anti-capitalism? anti-corporate?<p>I guess I was a kid when I saw it but all I remember is the first time I heard "motherfucker" on screen, and a guy's arm got shot off. hardly Lawrence of Arabia.<p>that said, I do like Aronofsky, and if this would mess HIM up to do, than I'm against it.<p>but honestly, robocop? calm down fellas. it's about a goddamn robotic cop, and it had, what, 3 crappy sequels? let's not treat it as some iconic, untouchable masterpiece.

  • July 9, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    How bout a loose sequel? Robo is shut down...

    by TallBoy66

    and rebooted 50 years later to clean up a more crime-ridden Detroit than ever. Kind of like Demolition Man, but with robots. Easy way to ditch all of the continuity of the sequels. It's simply Robocop. Kicking ass. You don't need to remake it to do it for a wider audience. Hell, don't even number it.

  • July 9, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Why not remake bad movies?

    by drewlicious

    It makes more sense. A lot of these movies existed because there was a good idea there in the first place. Why not take another swing? If it were up to me I'd remake Maximum Overdrive (campy idea fit for Sam Raimi if you ask me), Cats & Dogs (Great idea except that it should have been what the idea implied, pets fighting for "our" love) and Mars Attacks (great for some War on Terror satire).

  • July 9, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    though I'd rahter see something original

  • July 9, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    For Fuck's Sake...

    by Wonko

  • July 9, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    See Above

    by Wonko

    Like all of us here, I've seen what might be considered to be an "Assload" of films in my life. Of all those films, there have only been 3 that I thought were literally perfect. 3 Films that could not be made better in any way - absolutely no room for improvement left, whatsoever. As I'm sure you've guessed by now, RoboCop is one of those films. What an immensly retarded idea. Oh, and beaks, for the record, I got the directive five thing.

  • July 9, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    just watching Halloween ii. good movie but, in the credits it has michael myers (i still laugh at that) as a 23 yr old when 6+15=21. anyway i bet you knew that already.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by Bricktops hammer

    What are your other 2?

  • July 9, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Proman 1984

    by Bricktops hammer

    I'd see any-thong period, as long as it wasn't on a dude.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    It ought not be fucked with!

    by Violator90

    To quote Boba Fat “'s a re-build and that's a totally different thing. Like tearing down the Eiffel Tower and re-building it with a revolving Mc Donalds on top.” Oh yeah, rebuilding/remake=REHASH any way you say it. Yeah, I can see all now: Robocop pissing on a dog a la Bumblebee. No Fucking Way! The track record for rehashes(remakes) is pathetic at BEST! Remakes are no good. Reboot Robo might be good. Have the Robocop program start over with a new cop and new team, just like the first Robocop being a success but long retired. Start over years into the future just like the o.g. Robocop. Have his services needed once more. That premise may work if done right but IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM rehash Robocop. Was the movie perfect? NO! In a movie goer’s paradise it would have but no movie will ever be perfect for all. The times have changed so drastically that very few movies can get away with the violence the o.g. Robocop had. The fucking suits will bend over and take it up the ass as soon as some overly protected parent sees the violence and screams out “think about the children” and have the government step in. Fuck that! I would love to see a reboot of Robocop but not a remake/rehash. With a shit load of remakes that have done so fucking poorly in the theaters, what the FUCK have those Hollywood hookers been smoking, snorting and shooting to think audiences didn’t have enough of remakes?!?!? Give me some! I want to visit WhatTheFuck Land! Hell, while those ass monkey want to rehash classic movies I have a few classics they might want to diarrhea on: Lawrence of Arabia, The Godfather-all of them!, Citizen Kane, To Kill A Mocking Bird, all the Disney classic animated movies before The Lion King, and just for good measure all of the James Bond movies before A View To a Kill! Now I can’t wait for all those movies to be raped.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    chicks shouldn't wear thongs.

    by chipps

    only blokes. it unbecoming.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Bricktops hammer

    by Wonko

    Natural Born Killers and There Will Be Blood. With honourable mentions to Goodfellas, and Apocalypse Now. Let me be clear, these are not my favourite movies, just movies where everything was done perfectly for that one particular story being told. These are the movies that are pointless to remake because if you take that story and present it any other way it wouldn't be as good.

  • July 9, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST


    by Bricktops hammer

    Cool. Love both those films. I'd put SE7EN in that category though I may get flamed for it. "What's in the BOX!?!"

  • July 9, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST


    by Bricktops hammer

    There isn't a powertool in existence that can grind the image out of your head when you see a dude in a thong...

  • July 9, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    you wear them on your feet

  • July 9, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    not in America

    by Bricktops hammer

    mate. no wonder, you're talking about footwear (aka flipflops, I know, stupid name)and I'm talking about asswear. my bad

  • July 9, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    i actually knew

    by chipps

    i was just joking around

  • July 9, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by Bricktops hammer

    Just smoked pot for the first time in a long while (for me at least). Feel pretty retarded and its showing in my talkback, he he

  • July 9, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST


    by chipps

    now go and rent the big lebowski. or fear and loathing in las vegas.

  • July 9, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    no need to rent those

    by Bricktops hammer

    proud owner. and my name is actually Donny, so I get Shut the fuck up Donny constantly from my friends...

  • July 10, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Simply give it to Verhoeven, FFS!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    No other guy can do it.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Directive 5 did exist in the original script.

    by Subovon

    <p class=MsoNormal>But it was deleted by Orion Pictures days before the film’s release. It was part of a cumbersome program which would not have allowed <span class=SpellE>Robo</span> to appear in a sequel.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>Or a fucking remake. No matter how many times <span class=SpellE>Robo</span> was rebooted.</p> <p class=MsoNormal>I think someone should remake House. Ding dong… you’re dead.</p>

  • July 10, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Mr. Beaks

    by Mr. Winston

    I'm very glad. Now please take back your unholy statements about TOP GUN so I can go back to enjoying you as a contributor. <br> <br> Either that or you can say something negative about Guillermo del Toro and win my heart differently. The choice is yours.

  • July 10, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Sequel yes, remake - NO!

    by QuietEnglishGent

    Shit I knew what mrbeaks was referring to - and yes it *is* Directive 5, for those of you who obviously haven't seen the film or remember it very well. A sequel would be a much better idea - the original is in my top 10, and untouchable as far as I am concerned. (R2 was average and R3 was crap). So let's see how Murphy is faring over two decades later in a full-on sequel, preferably made by Mr. Verhoeven himself...

  • July 10, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    Robocop and Starship Troopers

    by Seth Gecko

    Verhoeven's political satire masterpieces. Both films are demented masterpieces and Robocop uncut is one of the most violent films ever made. If Aronofsky remakes Robocop it could be along the lines of Nolan's take on Batman. Given the Dark Knight is knocking on the door of best film for 2008 then this might be a good thing. That said Robocop is a film that will never be topped as far as dark satire goes.

  • July 10, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Robocop simply IS. There is no remake.

    by Baked

    At least, not one that anyone in their right mind would consider./ Guide #1 of remakes: does the original suck?/ Guide #2 of remakes: is the original dated? <p> If not #1 or #2, are you retarded? The Thing From Another World and Manchurian Candidate were incredibly dated but very good, hence Rule #2. </p> <p> Ocean's Eleven and Prom Night were very bad, hence Rule #1. Granted, they didn't really do much with a Prom Night remake, so fuck 'em. </p> <p> Halloween was brilliant and timeless, but Hollywood fucked it up. Invasion of the Body Snatchers was done well TWICE, and twice they've fucked it up because they couldn't leave well enough alone. </p>

  • July 10, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    No Weller, No Robo

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    They will never ever ever find someone to fill that suit and make it work as well as Weller did. He's simply amazing in the role and he's what makes the film work. Although I will agree that it's subject matter is currently appropriate. With the continuing greed of corporate america driving the populace into consumeristic poverty how could it not me?

  • July 10, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    UnknownUsers knows his shit

    by kiddae

    Calling The Thing a remake is like calling Batman Begins a remake. It's not, it's just a new adaptation.

  • July 10, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Agreed but...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...I'm not one for overt satire so I'm not the biggest fans of either RoboCop or Starship Troopers (altho Heinlen's book was excellent and I totally love Dina Meyer...and doesn't the big robot in Robocop look like a giant microphone? with rocket-launchers and mini-guns?). But I agree with the consensus...both are movies that shouldn't be remade...not because they're superb films but because so much came together to make them what they are that it is simply impossible to remake them and not have an shitload of ass (or assload of shit, if you prefer) in place of an actual movie.

  • July 10, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    are you kidding? TOP GUN??

    by DAS JANKE

    is so fucking timeless it can never be remade.

  • July 10, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Just To Clarify (For The Fuckwads On This Board)

    by SG Xibalba

    I've been a regular visitor to AICN, and never felt compelled to join up and post - that is until today upon reading the sheer volume of completely misinfored crap on this board. Some have asked: "when has Darren Aronofsky ever done anything original?" Uhhh....'The Fountain'? Story: Darren Aronofsky Original Screenplay: Darren Aronofsky and Ari Handel (note the use of the word: ORIGINAL there for all you slow folks) The funny thing about all this is that a lot of you then have the audacity to dismiss that very same film as as fluff piece yet the majority of the posts on this board haven't got a fucking clue what they're talking about in the first place. as for the comment that phantom_of_teh_paradise made against those of you for claiming Aronofsky is an arrogant prick, I can tell you from personal experience that is far FAR from the truth. I had the pleasure of sitting down with him and watching a private screening of 'The Fountain' at 20th Century Fox HQ in London prior to its release and the guy couldn't have been more friendly, accomodating and down to earth if he was horizontal with his ass spread for me. You guys may not like certain films, but at least have the common decency to post a suitably intelligent reason why like Xyzzy80 - at least there's soemone willing to say why they didn't like a film rather than posting like a complete dick like you guys. Otherwise your criticisms come across with even less substance than the films that you claim have none themselves. Unreal.

  • July 11, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by SG Xibalba

    Yer mouth sure does look plenty purtty. Uhhuh

  • July 27, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    I weep

    by Rustydahlia87

    Aronofsky is the most pretentious director there is. He'll probably just add some meaningless eye candy pretending to stand for something, and then attempt to force us to understand his "VISION!". He's so a pretentious ass! Just thinking about him directing it makes me want to vomit. :(