Sci-Fiers FRINGE, 11TH HOUR & LIFE ON MARS Likely Top-Rated New Shows?? Low Expectations For The New KNIGHT RIDER??
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Will science fiction rule this fall?
Fox’s “Fringe,” CBS’ “11th Hour” and ABC’s “Life On Mars” -- sci-fi freshman all -- are likeliest to be the coming season’s top-rated new shows, according to Horizon Media, an entity that handicaps such things for ad buyers.
The firm has “low expectations” for NBC’s “Knight Rider,” however, according to The Hollywood Reporter. This despite the huge ratings the "Rider" TV-movie pilot scored earlier this year.
Horizon predicts “90210” as The CW’s top-rated new show.
UPDATE: James Hibberd, who wrote the Reporter piece, indicates that Horizon's track record is imperfect:
Now-canceled shows such as Fox’s “K-Ville,” “New Amsterdam” and “Back to You” and CBS’ “Cane” and “Viva Laughlin” and NBC's "Life" and "Journeyman" were predicted to lose their time periods in the demo against major competitors. Yet ABC’s returning “Pushing Daisies” and “Private Practice” were expected to win their slots.
Slips: CBS’ “Moonlight” was thought to become CBS’ highest-rated show on Fridays, Fox’s renewed “Kitchen Nightmares” was foretold to perform at CW-like levels and ABC's "Carpoolers" was expected to shine. Keep in mind, such early forecasts cannot take into account how a show evolves after its pilot episode.
Last season’s new shows, ranked by Nielsen's 18-49 demo ratings:
The Moment of Truth (Fox; ranked 7 among all shows)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox; 19)
Bionic Woman (NBC; 26)
Samantha Who? (ABC; 27)
Private Practice (ABC; 27)
Oprah's Big Give (ABC; 31)
American Gladiators (NBC; 34)
Chuck (NBC; 39)
Pushing Daisies (ABC; 45)
Here Come The Newlyweds (ABC; 45)
The Big Bang Theory (CBS; 49)
Big Shots (ABC; 54)
Life (NBC; 59)
Dirty Sexy Money (ABC; 62)
Don’t Forget the Lyrics Thursday (Fox; 62)
Kitchen Nightmares (Fox; 64)
Lipstick Jungle (NBC; 64)
New Amsterdam (Fox; 64)
Eli Stone (ABC; 69)
Journeyman (NBC; 69)
Dance War (ABC; 72)
Cavemen (ABC; 83)
Kid Nation (CBS; 83)
Back To You (Fox; 87)
Cane (CBS; 87)
Phenomenon (NBC; 87)
Cashmere Mafia (ABC; 87)
Unhitched (Fox; 96)
Welcome To The Captain (CBS; 98)
Moonlight (CBS; 102)
The Singing Bee (NBC; 102)
Dexter (CBS; 106)
K-Ville (Fox; 106)
My Dad Is Better Than Your Dad (NBC; 106)
Carpoolers (ABC; 115)
Women’s Murder Club (ABC; 115)
Don’t Forget The Lyrics Friday (Fox; 123)
Secret Talents of the Stars (CBS; 127)
Amnesia (NBC; 131)
Canterbury’s Law (Fox; 131)
Just For Laughs (ABC; 131)
Power of 10 (CBS; 131)
Next Great American Band (Fox; 139)
Monk (NBC; 142)
Reaper (CW; 142)
Gossip Girl (CW; 142)
Return of Jezebel James (Fox; 142)
Viva Laughlin (CBS; 142)
Psych (NBC; 149)
Duel (ABC; 149)
Farmer Wants A Wife (CW; 151)
Nashville (Fox; 152)
Crowned (CW; 157)
Aliens In America (CS; 158)
Life Is Wild (CW; 159)
Online Nation (CW; 160)
CW Now (CW; 160)
Last season’s new shows, ranked by Nielsen's total viewer ratings:
Moment of Truth (Fox; ranked 13 among all shows)
Samantha Who? (ABC; 25)
Oprah's Big Give (ABC; 30)
Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox; 34)
Private Practice (ABC; 34)
Dance War (ABC; 42)
Bionic Woman (NBC; 43)
Pushing Daisies (ABC; 49)
Cane (CBS; 55)
American Gladiators (NBC; 55)
New Amsterdam (Fox; 55)
Women’s Murder Club (ABC; 58)
Chuck (NBC; 59)
The Big Bang Theory (CBS; 63)
Don’t Forget the Lyrics Thursday (Fox; 64)
Dirty Sexy Money (ABC; 69)
Life (NBC; 69)
Here Come The Newlyweds (ABC; 69)
Eli Stone (ABC; 69)
Kid Nation (CBS; 78)
Big Shots (ABC; 80)
Moonlight (CBS; 81)
Journeyman (NBC; 84)
Dexter (CBS; 87)
Lipstick Jungle (NBC; 87)
Back To You (Fox; 92)
Phenomenon (NBC; 92)
Cavemen (ABC; 95)
Viva Laughlin (CBS; 98)
The Singing Bee (NBC; 98)
Welcome To The Captain (CBS; 102)
Kitchen Nightmares (Fox; 107)
My Dad Is Better Than Your Dad (NBC; 107)
Canterbury’s Law (Fox; 107)
Cashmere Mafia (ABC; 116)
K-Ville (Fox; 118)
Monk (NBC; 122)
Power of 10 (CBS; 123)
Carpoolers (ABC; 123)
Amnesia (NBC; 129)
Just For Laughs (ABC; 131)
Don’t Forget The Lyrics Friday (Fox; 132)
Unhitched (Fox; 133)
Secret Talents of the Stars (CBS; 133)
Psych (NBC; 139)
Duel (ABC; 140)
Return of Jezebel James (Fox; 143)
Next Great American Band (Fox; 146)
Reaper (CW; 148)
Nashville (Fox; 149)
Gossip Girl (CW; 150)
Farmer Wants A Wife (CW; 153)
Aliens In America (CS; 155)
Crowned (CW; 155)
Life Is Wild (CW; 159)
Online Nation (CW; 160)
CW Now (CW; 160)
Interesting, no, how NBC’s top-rated new show “Bionic Woman” got the boot after only eight episodes?
Read all of The Reporter’s story on next year’s rankings here.
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July 8, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST
*sigh* and first to say so here.
July 8, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST
Bummer...guess they were pissed off that Michelle Ryan wouldn't shag them.
July 8, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST
... but bled viewers as it went along. They kept replacing showrunners, and then there was a strike ...
July 8, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST
I'm willing to supply the pig that will fuck you. Just send me your location and I'll have him sent there ASAP. <p> Thanks and all the best...
July 8, 2008, 1 a.m. CST
It seems an active movement to remove his comments is afoot. Thanks Herc!
July 8, 2008, 1 a.m. CST
The Knight Rider movie did good? Seriously? That was a piece of crap if I ever did see one. So good Ratings has nothing to do with how good a show is... So stop canceling good shows with poor ratings!
July 8, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST
I haven't heard a fucking word about that show. And yes, I am too lazy to look it up.
July 8, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST
July 8, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST
July 8, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST
My computer loves my opinion so much, it double posted!!
July 8, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST
...simply by virtue of the fact that there is no substitute for the great John Simm. The US version of "State of Play" will also blow for the same reason (well, that and a crummy American adaptation).
July 8, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST
buzz on the show is that it blows..and life on mars could be great...but they will pc it to death
July 8, 2008, 2:16 a.m. CST
It runs promos for "Fringe" every friggin' night. It's a nice promo, but geez, we get it already!! :P
July 8, 2008, 2:57 a.m. CST
Fringe is autumn.
July 8, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST
Eleventh hour, if I remember corectly, is about a goverment scientist trying to correct evil goverment experiments gone wrong with a hot side kick.<p>I'm guessing its like a stand alone nonalien episode of the X-Files. Freaks and muties and such things every week.
July 8, 2008, 4:20 a.m. CST
you should be okay, no african american stars here, fat man.
July 8, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST
Lots of potential, good character dynamics, and if you ever wanted to see Dr Zarkov in his own series, then you've got your wish. And the lead girl is way pretty. When can I see more, hmmm? Also, I was watching Buffy the other night, and I was thinking: SMG, honey, that career ain't looking no better - surely now is the time for a Buffy movie????
July 8, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST
... It was John Simm. <p> (Sensibly he turned them down).
July 8, 2008, 6 a.m. CST
Read that on the back of a cereal box. Go figure.
July 8, 2008, 6:01 a.m. CST
Just had to be said.
July 8, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST
and fuck you nbc!
July 8, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST
before investing anytime. I'm sick of getting into a new show and having it suddenly canceled. I tried watching shows from the start and that didn't save them, so maybe this will (somehow)<p>Also, there's no way I'm watching a show that was partially created by the "writers" of Transformers. That movie was like a gigantic billboard screaming "Stay away from our future projects!".
July 8, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST
The promos has really got my interest very high, I personally havent seen much if at on Life of Mars or 11th Hour so I'm not that interested yet.. I guess Ill have to go look them up to get more info on them.
July 8, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST
Life on Mars was also the name of an unaired pilot about coffeehouse slackers (before Friends ever aired) with involvement from a lot of people that went on to do Mr. Show.
July 8, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST
and it blew dogs in the moonlight. Kubla_Khan must have seen a different show than me as his opinion is the exact opposite of mine. It took me 3 days to watch it as I kept fallig asleep. Wooden acting with NO chemistry between the leads. Horried "Special" effects, "twists" a blind deaf mute could see coming, and hey! since it's JJ Abrams there a "mystery" just for the sake of being one. Lance Reddick is wasted here. They make hime a hard SOB (like Sloan), and I'm sure they will try to eventually make him "good" (like Sloan). Even tho it sucks ass, I'm sure it will be a hit, so wake me when it's over. Yawn!
July 8, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST
But after Alias and Lost... do we really want to wait 5 years for answers that will never come? <p> Anyone going to bend over and be JJ's butt boy for another 5 year stretch? <p> Not me.
July 8, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST
I couldn't agree more. And from the Pilot you can all ready see it coming.
July 8, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST
Film at 11. Yawn. I can't wait to see how NBC tried to cram this steaming pile down our throats. KITT and whoever the driver is are going to be cross promoting everything. I'm predicting Deal or No Deal will give away a 'KITT' by September.
July 8, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
the unfinished pilot that leak on the net, sucked I really thought this show was going to be good...Love time travel I thought the new show Leverage was really good...
July 8, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST
In "Fringe," the no-nonsense FBI woman has blonde hair, rather than red hair, and the know-it-all kook is a schizo old dude with an estranged son, rather than a cynical young dude with a missing sister, and the gruff but grudgingly respectful boss is a bald black guy, not a bald white guy, and there's a sinister one-armed woman lurking around, not a sinister one-armed man lurking around.
July 8, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST
Did I miss something during the morning role call?
July 8, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST
Your answer is there.
July 8, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST
Bionic Woman and Journeyman were good stuff. I enjoyed both. Knight Rider was a terrible made for TV movie.
July 8, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST
Here's hoping they avoid blatant midget abuse. Anyone ever notice how Data looks like a much older Logan Echolls?
July 8, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST
Wow, I never thought Herc was a racist. I'm kinda down over that one. He just seemed so jovial. Never saw him as a biggot... until now. I shed a tear for lost innocence. I shed a tear for Herc.
July 8, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST
Sadly the shows that get cancelled after only a handful of episodes (that aren't called Bionic Woman) rarely get released on DVD. So your only chance to see them is when they air. 1 (half) season of Journeyman is better than none. 6 episodes (or was it 8) of Raines is better than 0. <p>But I get where you are coming from. It can be frustrating to find a new favourite show only to tune in the next week and find yourself watching a rerun of L&O. Or see some crappy wedding prank show. Or be subjected to a news magazine program breaking the "news" of Paula Abdul sleeping with an AI contestant.<p>Thanks to my DVR I record the first few episodes of every new show that I think I might want to watch, excluding only those whose very existence offends me (ex. Moment of Truth). I watch the first few episodes and if I like it I keep watching. Those that don't click with me I drop. I would not have discovered Journeyman without this system. The promos did nothing for me but I recorded it anyway. I had 4 episodes recorded before I took the time to watch the first. Watched 3 episodes that day, the fourth the next, and watched episode 5 as it aired, and I almost never watch live tv anymore.
July 8, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST
by Savage Lucy
I've seen the UK and US versions of the LoM trailer and neither one was that great. Both were pretty entertaining, but nothing spectacular. Much better than the US Office pilot, but that isn't hard to accomplish.
July 8, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST
I haven't grieved over a TV show like that in a long time.
July 8, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST
Kid Nation was awesome; My wife and i really enjoyed it and I thought it was the best reality show concept since Survivor. I know they had some legal heat with waivers and such because technically the kids were working by doing challenges, but Herc have you heard anything about a renewal for a second season? The viewership seems like it was fairly high. I saw casting notices for season 2 awhile ago but have heard nothing since. It'd be a shame for such an amazing show to not be allowed to continue.
July 8, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST
From the pilot the producers/writers just had no clue about what made the original so successful. This will bomb if they can't change that.
July 8, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST
of the US version of Life On Mars, it's not going to last three shows. I could barely get through it.
July 8, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST
It did start good...but then, yeah, confusion set in on show direction and then came the strike. It also suffered from some poor casting decisions. The lead was just not compelling enough. The villain, Starbuck, was so compelling she blew the lead off the screen whenever she appeared.
July 8, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST
Epic fail of a list
July 8, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST
by The Ref
Bionic Woman was dog trash. Journeyman was tits.
July 8, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST
13 episodes of pure gold; I'm glad I ported this one over to DVD for posterity 'cause Disney ain't likely to ever let it see the light of day again. <p> "Dasher is a STUPID name; my name is Marmaduke!"
July 8, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST
I saw the fringe and it was interesting though about half way through i expected FBI agents Mulder and Scully to show up. In fact, they would fit right in...in a Cameo appearance if they did it and the actors would do it. But overall, as far as creepy factor it misses a lot of the X-files background. The characters are very shallow, but perhaps with time, they'll develop. They've already set up stuff for background story.We'll see where it goes and how long they get to play considering Fox likes to pull the plug early on series.....
July 8, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST
Anyone remember how they set up the main villian in the pilot and he was never heard from again. It would have been like having Darth Vader in that first 20 minutes in Star Wars and never show him again. <br><br> I never got that. They set up this big theme of this evil organization that is led by the designer of bionics technology and then abruptly switch to small scale capsulated episodes. It was almost like they were setting up major story arches and then were told that it would not allow new viewers to jump in, but all it did was lose then entire audience.
July 8, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST
The only way this show will survive will be to make some minor changes like everything. Someone should tell show runners that just because the lead has a threesome or is a lesbian, it doesn't actually count as character development. Even geeks aren't going to fooled that a crap script is good with a little girl-on-girl or guy-on-girl-on-girl action.
July 8, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST
Because if those figures are averages, then NBC musta been pretty damn stupid to cancel Bionic Woman. But it should be noted that the new top brass at NBC are trying to take the network in a different direction these coming seasons by announcing schedules more than a year in advance. We'll see how long that strategy lasts in an industry where reacting quickly to the tastes of the public is all-important.
July 8, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST
It was just sent to Friday night programming hell, where it will most likely be canceled. Maybe someone should tell whomever wrote this article.
July 8, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST
July 8, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST
...was a steaming pile. The only defense of the show is, "but it was on TV when I was a kid. Remember?" Sorry, but the fact that you remember a TV show from your childhood does not make it good--chances are the only thing you truly liked about the show was the theme song. I defy anyone to make it through an entire episode of The Dukes of Hazzard, The A-Team or Knight Rider. Guess what? They suck.
July 8, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST
I have sock lint more interesting than that piece of wood.
July 8, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST
Life on Mars? Did they watch the pilot?
July 8, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST
I might just quit watching network tv. Everything I pick is canned, so either I have really bad taste or the damn Neilson viewers do. First there was Journeyman which I really dug and now New Amsterdam has been axed? I thought that show was great. I was enthralled as much as I was for Journeyman. I think I am better off just not watching tv anymore.
July 8, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST
I hope we get a feature film of THAT show.
July 8, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST
The pilot episode is available online. It was what I need out of a super natural show. Believable science mixed with super natural fucked up shit. Added bonus: a strong dose of my favorite drugs, LSD and Special K :)
July 8, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST
I am sorry, but its a day late and a dollar short. Seems like a mediocre copy of a dozen good shows - trying to cram it all, badly, into one show - not an original thought or idea in whole pilot. And don't get me started on those really cheesy 3-d titles. Looks like a 12 year old with ancient copy of WordArt was let loose on it. Though I am holding out hope that those are placeholder graphics until they get real special effects in.
July 9, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST
they stopped broadcasting so many shows in widescreen.
July 9, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST
what do you mean throwme?Showing them in widescreen and hd?
July 9, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST
Or did the CW stop returning his calls because they got scared he would (try to) make an intelligent show out of it?
July 9, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST
by the power of GREYSKULL
including the networks - so why bother? Because they already built the car? They already cashed Ford's cheques maybe? <p> <p> The British Life on Mars was pretty cool - although I found the resolution a little disappointing, in the end. <p> Verhoven gave Total Recall (a film about life on Mars, coincidentally!) an excellent little PhilDickian twist at the end with "what if it really IS just all in your head??" - it's the kind of question that can potentially wreck your ending, no matter which way you answer it - and it takes BALLS to leave it unanswered. <p> If the American Life on Mars has writers who understand this delicate balance, then it could still work - unfortunately, it sounds like the writers don't understand DICK (pardon the pun)
July 9, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST
by The McPoyle Clan
Going by the movie, there's not even the slightest glimmer of hope that the series is going to be anything but a POS. KR and 90210 will join Bionic Woman on the scrap heap.<br><br>You know what else is disturbing? Even though the new season of 24 is set in D.C., we won't be rid of Morris!? Aaaghh!
July 9, 2008, 9 a.m. CST
and Voyagers before that
July 9, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
and 7 Days, and Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure, and Peabody's Improbable History.<p>That's like saying "I liked NYPD Blue when it was called Hill Street Blues". Sure they have a common theme but are very different shows.
July 9, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST
by Paul T. Ryan
...But the writers strike really screwed the momentum of most of the new shows. If the strike hadn't happened, who knows if some of the cancelled shows might have been saved and vice versa. At least Boston Legal didn't get canned. I also thought Heroes' second season was very underrated.
July 10, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST
NBC probably would not have aired the last few episodes of Journeyman. But I think even as early as a month in they were feeling the pinch.
July 10, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST
That that Journeyman dvd set hits soon. I need a quality gift to give my friends @ Xmas. Just like my Firefly set it'll get loaned out to all my buddys who were stupid enough to avoid the series when it was on, just like the idiots above who compare it to Quantum Leap- THAT show was actally a pale, PALE forerunner to Journeyman. Now let's see someone "Americanize" Dr. Who! I still say Anthony Geary and a porta potty for the Tardis.
July 10, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST
so it will need to be something they can sell. I think it will be a fridge. That way they can also make an Indiana Jones reference, maybe even do an Indy-themed episode to help promote Indy 5 ("Mutt and The House of Hula-Hoops").
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