June 29, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST
but kinda cool.
June 29, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST
That's a good week of movies you got ahead of you, my man. ELEPHANT MAN and KLUTE are classics, THE GOOD FATHER has an astonishing Hopkins performance in it, FLASHBACK and THE COWBOYS are fun (though for wholly different sets of reasons - you'll see), SHOCK TREATMENT is an entertaining mess of a movie, and mawkish though it may be in the extreme, ON GOLDEN POND is a fitting swansong for a couple of genuine screen icons.
June 29, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST
I don't care what anyone says. I love that fucking movie. I used to have it on VHS. I must have watched it 100 times. It's the most depraved mainstream movie ever made. You can't take your eyes off it. And Malcolm McDowell is actuslly really good in it. He's terrifying. To me, he IS Gaius Caligula Caesar and always will be.
June 29, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST
Featuring the most underrated John Williams score of all time.
June 29, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST
June 29, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST
i get that you thought it was...well nastay! but what did you actually think? I'm just confused
June 29, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST
and Salo as well
June 29, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST
Caligula was far from a great Emperor, hated and despised, he only ruled 4 years before assassination. He basically broke the treasury, and was just overall crazy as fuck. Guess it depends on how you define great hehe. But anyway, CALIGULA is amazing to watch, simply because you can't believe it was even made. Peter O'Toole is brilliant as Tiberius, and the rest of the cast do a good job as well imo.
June 29, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST
One of the flat-out coolest films ever made!
June 29, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST
Love Caligula..saw the unrated as a teenager..scarred for life. To this day..every glass of wine invokes some bad imagery involving wine, some poor sap, and a blade. Yep...sick, twisted, vile, smutty, and A-OK in my book.
June 29, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST
I literally just got this one in the mail (I do the DVD rent by mail thing) and it was the first one in the two or three years I've been getting my DVD's by mail that I actually couldn't make it through. Not that I was too offended. It was just...man...you can only watch a train wreck for so long. In other words, I didn't make it to the fisting, otherwise I would have stuck it out.
June 29, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST
but i have had sex to it
June 29, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST
I seem to recall a lot of pissed off actors complaining that it wasn't the film they signed up for. Actually it's a pretty dull flick.
June 29, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST
How're you liking those full English breakfasts?
June 29, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST
You damn dirty Knowles! Damn you to hell!
June 29, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST
But at least NOW the movie is some kind of legend ;)
June 29, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST
The PERFECT name for an ex porn director who posts on AICN.
June 29, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST
its from colbert report where he would ask the interviewed bad things saying "great or greatest". btw nice name, you weren't too shabby in taking rome yourself either ;)
June 29, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST
I like porn, I like movies, and I hear people talking about it all the time. It's a mystery how I haven't seen it yet.
June 29, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST
What was that quote John Gielgud said? "I've just starred in my first porn film" or something? What is your connection between The Good Father and Shock Treatment? It doesn't seem to be the stars or its director.
June 29, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST
This movie is among my favorites. The long cut is insanely hard to watch but I found that the "kinder, gentler" cut on the 3 disc imperial edition DVD made it a MUCH better movie. I suggest all of you who haven't seen Caligula and are interested in checking it out watch that version, it'll go down easier.
June 29, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST
... a hardcore porn disguised as a historic epic, and the granddaddy of of the most pointless sub-genre, torture porn (together with Salo).<p> Thats what Caligula is, a terrible movie.<p> But what I find interesting (and a bit disturbing) is that Caligula is treated by some people as a masterpiece or a work of art. I find it's very existance fascinating though, how did they get funding and the stars is beyond me.
June 29, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST
You got it all right, Quint. I got to see Caligula Uncut on a giant screen here in Minneapolis. Horrible, horrible, horribly awesome.
June 29, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST
and not even good porno...cuz none of this is erotic at all...just pretty gross, and very boring...this movie you couldve left out...want to see great classic porn? get deep throat
June 29, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST
You are correct sir. Malcolm McDowell has stated that they thought they were shooting an R rated movie. They were pissed when Bob G. threw in some of the hardcore sex stuff.<p> Malcom McDowell was in another rated X movie: Clockwork Orange- but that's when hollywood COULD make a more adult film. He didn't object then because he knew it was a black comedy. When the porno buisness began listing their movies XXX voluntarily-many major movie houses and studios refused to make an X.<p> Even when the MPAA tried making NC-17...a lot of major movie houses refused to show that kind of picture. Thus limiting Hollywood to the bizzar R rating that seems to have no bounderies.
June 29, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST
There was essentially two halves of a movie being made, with the second (dirtier) half kept secret from the main cast. <p> Your review gives the impression that these cinema greats were part and parcel to the X-rated stuff. When in fact, they weren't, and they were outraged by it.
June 29, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST
by L. Ron Bumquist
It's absolutle class. I remember Caligula being really great fun. It's so silly that it's hard to find it genuinelly shocking. And who doesn't want their boundaries pushed now and then.
June 29, 2008, 5:26 a.m. CST
It was a fucking Penthouse film. They knew. News about them not knowing and objecting was to make them sound like they were duped and is even more of a compelling reason for the audience to check out the movie. Everyone knows McDowell is a daring actor. Guildgud was gay and appeared in other repelling movies (though not as repelling as this!). Carigula is sadistic porn but the star gave it their all in the acting stakes, I'll say that much.
June 29, 2008, 5:32 a.m. CST
by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.
DEATH BED or TROLL 2, those are movies I can't believe exist.
June 29, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
June 29, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Jane in bikini. Me like.
June 29, 2008, 6:40 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
That was some fucked-up shit. Vietnam vet(Harry Reems)goes on a rape spree. pure filth.
June 29, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST
by Iowa Snot Client
and a whole lotta other ways as well.
June 29, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST
Amongst the other films on your to do list, I personally think it's a disgrace you work for this site.
June 29, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST
...for each and every twenty minutes! " <p> "Hairy nipples??! Senator Marcellus! Your wife will scare our customers away! Try hot walnuts..." <p> Awful, awful, awesome, awesome movie.
June 29, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST
At least not since I was a little kid. Tonight, this changes. I just hope I'm awake until late enough for Quint to post the talkback, last night I gave up at around 3 in the morning.
June 29, 2008, 9 a.m. CST
by Gungan Slayer
I'm very surprised at the films Quint hasn't seen. In fact, I'm confused. For one who knows so much about films and does all this reporting and stuff...to have many of this film's on that list that he's never seen is rather embarrassing. But, better late than never. There thousands upon thousands of films out there, and we've all each and every one of us have missed some major classics. It happens. It's called life. Good luck with The Elephant Man...one of the most depressing movies ever.
June 29, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST
If you watch the bio of McDowell that's included in the special edition CLOCKWORK ORANGE dvd, he talks a bit about how the Guccione directed the cast so that they were unaware that the film was going to cut away to some of his hardcore sex stuff. Bad movie, but I gotta say, the ending actually has a little emotional resonance, simply because in the last moments before Caligula is killed he's shown as a normal, loving husband and father.
June 29, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
it sits on a shelf far away in my collection, like Man Bites Dog. i have a mate that would love a 7 or 8 hour cut of Caligula.
June 29, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST
that was the one where most of the film was about eating shit, yeah? i think i destroyed the disc.
June 29, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST
Much like Cronenberg's Crash, this is a film I'm glad I saw, but would never see again. So deplorable, it's a movie you actually need to take a 15 minute intermission to get through. Images I have of that film, such as Caligula throwing up on the horse, stay with me to this day.
June 29, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST
by Sappers Forward
I think it's Japanese. It's been a while since I've seen this flick. I'm pretty sure it ranks somewhere not to far below Caligula.
June 29, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST
The biggest difference between Salo and Caligula is Tinto Brass, the director of Caligula, was incompetent whereas even people like myself, who loathe and despise Salo, have to admit that Pier Paolo Pasolini was an enormously talented director who enjoyed wallowing in the filth. His lechery extended beyond his films - he was murdered by a teenaged boy prostitute. Good riddance.
June 29, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST
First, he didn't rule for 4 years. It was actually 3 years, 10 months, and 8 days. That's close to 4 years, but still. And actually the movie was nowhere near worse than the life of the real Caligula. If anything it's seriously, seriously toned down. I studied a lot of Roman history in college and there's so much the movie doesn't have in it that the real Caligula did. Hell, they didn't even have his other sisters in the film. Still, I do think it's sad that movies like this don't get made any more. Something on this level, with the equivalent budget, with this level of adult content, with an actual well-written script would be amazing.
June 29, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST
I'm pretty sure this was not made in 1980, but in the early 70's.
June 29, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST
The film glories in the hideous abuse, physical and sexual, of children. The line between illumination of facts and exploitation of malicious urges is a thin one indeed but that film goes waaaay over the line.
June 29, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST
by Biggie Kaiju
The scene where John Merrick meets Dr. Treves' wife will rip your heart out. Brilliant movie. Incredible true story.
June 29, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST
Anyone who truly thinks that showing gory war movies to soldiers will make them stop fighting is kidding themselves. Stanley Kubrick meant Full Metal Jacket to be a damning indictment of the futility of war, but two of the soldiers I know, and as depicted in Jarhead, talked about it being an inspiration for them voluneteering. Along those same lines, if Mr Pasolini was so naive as to think that he was going to show something so horrific it would show all Fascists the error of their way, he was deluding himself. Just as Mr Moore can only preach to the converted, as did Mr Pasolini, who created a film so loathesome that A) the mainstream audience (the underclass he seemed so determined to help) would never see it and B) in reality who it would eally appeal to would be those who would be sexually turned on by it. Around 2000, I remember looking at it on EBAY cuz i happened to see that rare unedited version at a mom and pop store. It was selling at the time for between 250 and 400 online. Now you tell me - who do you think was buying it - Pasolini completists - or the others. My bet is the others. But maybe I'm just a cynical bastard.
June 29, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST
IMDB's parent's guide says "Many scenes of the film are disturbing, although it is a comedy."
June 29, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST
I can, for the most part, separate my disdain for the material and the man from my genuine admiration of his immense talent. When i saw Gospel of St Mark or whomever, I can guarantee you that Marty Scorsese would point to that film as a huge inspiration of his. Some of the camera movements, the composition in lens, even the scoring, all can be seen in Scorseses later works. There were even parts of Salo I was in near awe of the filmmaking techniques but thought it a shame they were wasted in such a debauched efoort.
June 29, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST
Caligula is disturbing. "Do you think he has had enough wine?"
June 29, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST
That beats the stomach staple pictures without a doubt.
June 29, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST
This is one of those weird instances where talkback has started out as witty, banal comments and degenerated into intelligent discourse about film. Creepy. I'm watching out for Spock with a goatee.
June 29, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST
by Morrissey Fan
He plays one of the guys that free the Elephant Man when he is recaptured by Bytes
June 29, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST
I would absolutely love this movie. I love the grandeur of it. I thought it was really well made actually, but you can see where they just threw in a few extra and wholly unnecessary "shots". I feel bad for Malcom McDowell because it should be something he could be proud of but those little inclusions take any kind of respect away from it. It's a shame. I watched it for the first time a year or so ago. Instead of not wanting to ever seeing it again, I put it right back on when it was over. It really made me think about human nature and even our own leaders today.</p> And about daring movies, it is interesting to me too when a "groundbreaking" movie comes along nowadays and you watch it and there is basically nothing to it. Every once and a while you see a movie like this that's nearly 30 years old that makes you wonder what people are talking about. A movie I saw not that long ago, CRUISING, also from 1980, gave me the same reaction. I thought it was a great movie, but obviously people of the time weren't ready for it and in the context of the time, it upset a lot of people. But imo, it's a great film that movie fans should see if they haven't. If Netflix didn't know me so well, I probably wouldn't have seen it either.
June 29, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST
*sigh*............Hearing the screech of the manager's tires as he hauled ass outta the parking lot with the evening's take and a narrow head start on the local legion of Decency......sublime. Well, that and the proto-MST3K commentary that spontaneously erupted about a third of the way in......We just couldn't fucking believe that "Caligula" was actually playing at a first-run house here in the middle of the Bible Belt, and we got a gang of about 16 people to catch it before it vanished forever......some film buffs, some outrage buffs, some drunken revellers who didn't give two shits WHAT they were watching, but it was an goddamn experience, No Doubt About That.....
June 29, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST
Many years ago, I tried to watch Caligula after reading Ebert's hilarious zero-star review, and I just couldn't get through it. I usually eat up the graphic sex and violence, but this movie completely lost me. It's just absolutely worthless, unwatchable crap.
June 29, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST
The actual Roman emperor, I mean. The historical evidence we have for his reign is primarily texts written nearly a century after his death, by writers who had to worry about sucking up to the new dynasty of emperors that had displaced the Julio-Claudians (of which Caligula was one). <P>These writers (Tacitus and Suetonius) were clearly sympathetic to the senatorial faction that Caligula's family had pushed out of power. Most of the really twisted and perverted stuff comes from Suetonius, who wrote in what we might now call the 'tabloid journalism' style of writing--his "biographies" of the emperors are often just collections of gossip and slander that had accumulated in the decades that separated them from him. <P> I'm not saying that Caligula was a good emperor--I'm just saying that we have to take all the historical "facts" we know about him with a grain of salt. Imagine if, in two thousand years, the majority of the evidence that remained describing the Bush presidency was a collection of National Enquirer issues from 2001-9 and an Al Franken book. (Actually, since both of these would be contemporary sources, they would be much more reliable than Tacitus and Suetonius). But, from these, you could probably get some idea of the arguments that people had against Bush--many of which are based in fact--but you'd also get a lot of innuendo and exaggeration.
June 29, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST
Sure, there are some great movies he hasn't (or hadn't) seen. Cool Hand Luke! I quote that movie every time I do yard work. ("Takin' em off boss?"). But I'm sure there are giant gaps in every movie buff's viewing experience. <P>There are only so many hours of your life that you can devote to sitting in front of movies--great movies even more so, because you can't just have them on while folding laundry or surfing the internet--you need to have a situation where you can really absorb the movie, and then have time to think/talk about it afterward. We've all got movies we haven't seen (or books we haven't read, music we haven't heard, etc.).
June 29, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST
or is this movie very dissapointing if youve been told by others that its a 'hardcore sex porno with famous actors like malcom mcdowell' . its a film with hardcore sex scenes (filmed at clearly different times with different actors) spliced into a badly made roman emporor story i guess it was kind of shocking to see mcdowell act out a fisting, but is Quint implying he ACTually fisted someone? i hope not... this would be akin to someone in my 7th grade class trying to convince me 'hey man the sex in dream-on on hbo is totally real, they just dont show the closeups because its on tv' WTF?!?
June 29, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST
Ya know - if anyone here should be acting all high and mighty over what Quint hasn't seen - it's me. And I have... for years. But this series represents a movie geek's exploration outside his typical comfort zone. <BR><BR>Most modern movie fans stay within their niche. The movies of their time. The movies specifically catered to their tastes. And anything outside of that is verboten. <BR><BR>When I first met Quint, when he was at the age of 14 - he bought the one-sheet to the original FRIDAY THE 13TH. The next time I saw him - a month later - he bought the half sheet to Cheech & Chong's NICE DREAMS and a two sheet for ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST which he claimed was one of his favorite movies. So at age 14, he was a ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST fan. That's pretty darn good. <BR><BR>However, bitching at any movie fan that is exploring the world of film that they knew existed, but hadn't ventured to yet... is terrible. It's discouraging a process of discovery and the expansion of cinematic knowledge. <BR><BR>How about you - what films haven't you seen, that you know you haven't? Admit it & rectify it.
June 29, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST
cant wait to see what quint thinks of this film. its a classic...love william hurts makeup..though not my favorite lynch movie that would easily go to blue velvet. that scene with harry dean anderson kills ..great stuff...
June 29, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST
That movie's a fucking classic for me. The stories of Mel Brooks' involvement are wonderful too.
June 29, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST
by Grand Moff Toht
Is based on a book by the Marquis de Sade. Not on real life events in Fascist Italy. Mussolini and the Fascists were too busy being corrupt and losing WWII.
June 29, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST
I, Claudius before the teacher came back into the class. He had taken it from his dad's collection, and needless to say, when the teacher hit play, it was in the middle of the lesbo orgy. . . fucking awesome
June 29, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST
Great story!<br><br>I agree with HEADGEEK and others that criticizing Quint for what he has not seen is stupid. He loves movies, and he has seen a bunch of them. He's making an effort to watch great and interesting movies that he hasn't seen yet. What's the problem?
June 29, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST
I didn't believe any of it ... until I actually saw it. Call it curiosity, but I did actually see it. And it is by far the sickest movie I've seen, and that says a lot. My reaction was pretty much identicle to Quint's. I couldn't believe anyone would make the thing, much less make it with A-list actors. I saw it once, and shredded the dvd (it was used so thankfully I didn't pay a whole lot for it).
June 29, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST
i saw cuckoo's nest at 14 too...having read the book at 13...what classic movies have i yet to see? probably about the vast majority of anything joan crawford made...but i hate melodrama...i grew up during the time of the infancy of cable tv and video...so local tv was still playing the classic movies, and network tv still didnt get first run movies for years after they were released in the theaters...but when i got my first vcr, the first thing i did was to rent the manchurian candidate and citizen kane...
June 29, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST
by Grand Moff Toht
Haven't seen it in years, but I remember thinking, for all the money they spent, many scenes and many sets looked cheap. The costumes were all wrong. The cinematography looked amateurish and murky, like a group of kids with a camera in a basement. Tiberius's grotto, which I've read some people complimenting as some kind of astounding set, looked cheap and flimsy. Gore Vidal's bad dialogue mouthed disinterestedly by bought-off British thespians or Italian actors who didn't know English and had to be dubbed. Hard core scenes obviously spliced in after the fact. Just a mismatched, jumbled trainwreck. The writer's original purpose was a meditation on how absolute power corrupts, and the final film does inspire some thought in that direction, but on the whole, a viewer is so stupefied by all the disgusting and exploitative crap that fills out the film's running time that the message gets lost. Oh, and catch that final bit of music after Caligula's assassination, the music that runs over the credits? Re-used by the Coen brothers for Hudsucker Proxy. That piece of music actually comes from a Russian ballet of Spartacus.
June 29, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST
by Morrissey Fan
Doing a review of the Elephant Man...then again, I guess we know where he stands on that one!
June 29, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST
That movie is garbage. Maybe it had high aspirations, but it was disgusting crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. Awful, Awful Crap. And I found Caligula entertaining in a awesome trash sort of way.
June 29, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST
i've gone out of my way to see a couple films that quint has reviewed in this series and enjoyed them quite a lot. and i know i wouldn't have seen those films otherwise. what's the problem with this? he's just watching movies? people are pissy for no good reason. sheesh. keep it up, quint. you're one of the best dudes on this dumb site.
June 29, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST
by Grand Moff Toht
I realize Pasolini lived during the time of the actual Republic of Salo (what German-occupied northern Italy was called under a puppet government of Mussolini; the royal Italian government had already capitulated to the Allies) and claims that the film is supposedly based real events of his experience, but nothing I've ever read about Fascist Italy even in its last year comes close to what's depicted in the movie. It's a zany communist's exaggeration about the corruption of power and the horrors of fascism and, ultimately, the excesses of capitalism/consumerism. Using extreme exploitation to make his point. Whatever. You either buy what he has to say, and how he says it, or you don't. I personally don't buy it.
June 29, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST
To all the supporters, especially Harry. I knew I had a lot of holes in my film education, but I didn't realize how bad it was until I started writing them down. I suspect a lot of you are like me in that you think you've seen a whole lot, know there are some big ones you haven't seen and then when you start writing down what you haven't seen you'll be surprised. And yes, it is a little embarrassing, but I can say that this series has forced me into a routine that I'm quite enjoying, getting to movies that were always "I'll get to them later." Elephant Man and The Sound of Music I've had in the house for over 3 years, but that was the busiest time in my life business-wise and the current crop of films were always the priority. Thanks to Beaks and Merrick I'm able to have enough free time to really hit these films and I feel like I did as a teenager when I'd do those runs to the video store and rent my limit of films I hadn't seen before. It's great and helping me to fall in love with film all over again.
June 29, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST
Haven't seen that one... judging by the back and forth on it that would be a helluva controversial pick... maybe I should seek it out.
June 29, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST
If you don't find the articles interesting, that's fair enough. More than fair. You at least gave them a try. There are lots who like them, myself included, and they're not going to stop anytime soon. So, if they're not your thing, we have plenty other stories to distract yourself with. I don't see why you'd come into these knowing you don't like them just tell everybody that.<BR><BR>And I never claimed to be a film guru. Ever. I've always been a film fan and I have commented on the industry from that perspective. When you just list off the movies I haven't seen I look like an ignoramus, true. But I do have an educated opinion of film, having seen tens of thousands of movies, not all from the last 15 years, either. If this series was looking back at all the movies I had seen... that to me would be boring as hell. That's not the point. I'm seeing a shitload of movies I've had and wanted to watch for a long time thanks to this daily routine. Sure, I put myself out there for personal attacks by showing my weaknesses on film education as opposed to my strengths, but for all the negative nancys out there, there are a lot of people I've been talking to who have been following along and sharing stories of their own, getting invigorated to watch some older cinema just like me. That's what makes it worth it, that and the kind of film high you get when you see something that knocks you silly, like Harper or Point Blank or The Sound of Music so far on this list.
June 29, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
If you have a moment to spare, you should check out the first minute or so this scene in "I, Claudius" between John Hurt's Caligula and Derek Jacobi's Claudius. It shows how magnificently Hurt imitated Jacobi'c character when playing John Merrick.
June 29, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
June 29, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
I love these columns.
June 29, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST
Gremlin blood will shed! Talkbackers will bitch. I will rejoice. The day Quint does Gremlins 2.
June 29, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
June 29, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST
a shitload of money meets a mountain of cocaine, a raging libido, and a guy with access to a movie studio. It also features one of the hottest lesbian scenes ever, and a really miraculous blow job scene in the midst of a mindblowingly huge orgy scene featuring beautiful women everywhere -- no banged up sluts, high quality superbabes who don't mind fucking on camera. Classic! I'm amazed it even got made.
June 29, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST
I recommend listening to the commentaries on the 3 disk edition. Malcolm McDowell and Helen Mirren each recorded a commentary, and it is fascinating stuff. Also, watch the extras. Caligula is a terrible movie, but the story behind the movie is very interesting. (BTW, you can get the bonus disks from netflix with the commentaries).
June 29, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST
When you've gotten off your soap box, I think you'll find that most of us think this series is a great idea. I find it hard to believe you've taken the time to bitch about someone ACTIVELY TRYING to watch films he's been wanting to watch his whole life. Films that you yourself said you wish Hollywood would go back to making. Hell, I admire Quint's dedication and wish I had access to just a fraction of the films I haven't seen yet. Feel free to continue moaning though, while we enjoy ourselves and actually try to increase our film knowledge.
June 29, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST
great job getting the date wrong quint.
June 29, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST
by Grand Moff Toht
Wow, touched a nerve by not praising Pasolini, didn't I? Look, I'll explain a little more and then leave it alone but I'm definitely not "over my head" when it comes to Italian history. I've read of atrocities committed by the fascists. Murders, massacres, beatings. First of political opponents in Italy, then of foreign peoples in the wars from 1920s on. Not denying anything. I've never read about Sade-style perversities though. And calling Pasolini a "zany communist" is admittedly a glib exaggeration that shortchanges him on all his intellectual accomplishments as an author, etc. But on the other hand, that's my opinion of the movie Salo -- a glib exaggeration exploitatively designed to grab attention and bludgeon the movie's message into the viewers' heads. Pasolini may have said that's how Fascist Italy was, or that the movie was about fascist Italy, but millions of others would say living in fascist Italy was not like re-enacting a book by the Marquis de Sade. Ultimately this is just his opinion, not necessarily the unbiased infallible irrefutable historical truth. He's an artist expressing himself. Like Coppola saying Apocalypse Now was how the Viet Nam war was. Agree with him or not. I don't. So unless you can start pointing me to specific sources that relate stories of Sade-like abuses by officials during the Salo days, and I'm never adverse to educating myself further, then I consider the issue closed.
June 29, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST
dont let these people hate one you !! the whole point is thats a movie a day its obvious you havent seen every movie thats why you doin this now...lets all these comments roll off your back..least you had the guts to do this which sounds easy but is quite work to watch a movie every single day. i think people just need a place to vent cuz they think they better in their own film right. you keep this column going man. good shit you go goin on here. ummm...suggestion next week dont watch shock treatment. i mena rocky horror wasnt the greatest movie but least its fun. shock treatments is pretty painfull...not salo painful but that depends on the kind of horror you like. salo is hardcore great shit....YOUR COLUMN FUCKING ROCKS QUINT
June 29, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST
ever! See some mentions of him on here, along with Niccolo Machiavelli who wrote the notorious "The Prince" on political theory putting state before an individual.... ironicalyl he wrote it to appeal to one of the most ruthless politicians ruling his time so he didn't even mean that shit (his Discourse book on democracy is more his true intentions), and yet folks like Stalin love that reading. De Sade though, the ultimate libertine unquestionably.
June 29, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST
by Bride of Mecha-Bill Pullman vs. Mecha-Bill Paxton
Keep it up Quint, there are a fuck load of movies that I still want to see in my life time and this definatly helps. And yah, talkbacks are for commenting on what someone presents ...I just don't see the need for all the negativity and bashing that goes on in many of the talk backs. I'm one of the most bitter and jaded people I know when it comes to the current state of the movie biz (and at times the rest of Western society). But by venting that fact I don't think I am helping much and believe I could be more constructive with comments of a more positive nature. What Quint is doing is really cool in my books.
June 29, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST
by Lord Haw Haw
Vncvt, vnrated, doesn't matter. Okay, I've never actvally seen the movie, bvt those u/v svbstitvtions are so mvch fvn. There was a pretty decent titty bar in Hovston called "Caligvla XXI" but they changed their name. Fvckers...
June 29, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST
mr_sinister7381, <br><br><br> Mr. Quint's knowledge of film is representative of our generation. We're close enough in age -- I'm 36. Instead of berrating him for the films he hasn't seen, he should be applauded for the systematic approach to watching more films of yesteryear in the heartfelt attempt to become a better film buff, reporter, and critic.<br> <br> We are all of us born having watched none of these films, good or bad, and an earnest person with the love of cinema in mind can become a film buff at any age. As each new generation is born, how would you have them digest the tens of thousands of hours of film available to them? The cheeky yet honest answer is one at a time, taking from each whatever it has to offer. <br> <br> And while there is some agreement on the top 50-100 or so films every enthusiast should experience, there will never be a definitive list for the next 5,000. Film is art. There is good, well executed and exemplary art, the classics that everyone heralds, and there is dreck, but it is all subjective.<br> <br> We could argue for days, I imagine, about Jaws, for example. In my view and the views of millions of other fans, it is a perfect film. To many others it's a silly, plotless fishing story with bad special effects.<br><br> So beit.
June 29, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST
You really captured it from a unique perspective. I haven't seen this movie since the 80....wild, wacky stuff
June 29, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST
I started writing the previous comment hours ago, got pulled away from the computer, and just returned to finish and submit having missed all of talkback fun. I'm happy to read the support for Quint, especially with Harry stepping in. Brilliant!
June 29, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST
you are filling in the holes in your film history knowledge, but it seems like it will be tough to watch a film every single day...you may not be in the right mood and won't give a film a fair chance due to that. But many of these great films probably draw you into their world regardless of your mood. Sound of Music is probably like the Wizard of Oz and best seen for the first time as a child and then later as an adult still through those childlike eyes, but maybe you will still enjoy it.
June 29, 2008, 8 p.m. CST
if not these haters would have nothign beter to complain about. this service is for us and to give readers information.if they dont like i think people should stay on track to what the column entails and be appreciative for what quint and harry and everyone else is doin. quint shouldnt have to defend himself for a SERVICE HE IS PROVIDIDNG FOR EVERYONE HERE READING HIS ARTICLES. i say if people dont like it then done read it and read some of the other articles the fantastic staff at AICN has done for us the past years. as this site has revolutionized internet and bloggin in general.i personally just think that readers should be gratefull in the fact that this is a service they are provding for the masses out of their love for films ....and harrys the shit for stepping in too....great column..KEEP IT UP QUINT
June 29, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST
ok, I see you aleady watched it and was glad to read that you really enjoyed it even as an adult.
June 29, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST
Sensitive? Not at all. It's just not something I ever want to see again, and, frankly, I was a bit embarrassed to have that disc. Someone above said that the lesbian scene was hot, and he's right, but man do you have to sit through some sick crap to get to it. Bestiality, incest, rape, infanticide--I mean if that stuff floats your boat, more power to you. You can have it. It's just not for me. Call me weak-willed or what not, for me there's a line between art and gratuitousness.
June 29, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST
Yeah yeah, this movie is larger then life. I couldn't believe the production values of it, was there ever a given cost of the film? I remember when my dad told me about this film and how I would just have to see it one day, but when I was older. After watching about a year ago, I am still not sure if I was old enough to watch it. I was on a Malcolm Macdowell kick, between this and If...(which is the best portrayal of a military academy if there ever was one) also Clockwork he must've been the most bat shit crazy actor of the time. Also I had just seen the Queen a little before this movie. Yeah I agree, don't think I'll ever watch it again.
June 29, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST
.....but since he was wearing a huge jewelled ring, he killed the guy. Septicemia. Nice.
June 29, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST
by Paul T. Ryan
I'm 27 now, and I just can't do these shock movies now. I've done Salo (banned here in Oz, but surprisingly powerful), Romance and Anatomy of Hell (both depressingly one-note, anti male tirades), Ken Park and others. I'm really over this idea that a film featuring actual sex has to be brutal and depressing in order to justify its content. If anything, Shortbus was a real breath of fresh air, being upbeat, sincere and funny aimd all the craphic coupling. Granted, the version of Caligula I saw was the 2-and-a-half-hour version WITHOUT the hardcore bits. The uncut version is banned here in Australia.
June 29, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST
So are you saying he's an allegedly dead person? Good point to make, idiot. dec·a·dent/ˈdɛkədənt, dɪˈkeɪdnt/ –adjective 1. characterized by decadence, esp. culturally or morally: a decadent life of excessive money and no sense of responsibility. 2. (often initial capital letter) of or like the decadents. –noun 3. a person who is decadent.
June 29, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST
film 'Entrails of a Virgin'?
June 30, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST
of the difference in quality between Caligula and Salo. Salo has been "lovingly" restored and released by Criterion. Caligula has not.
June 30, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST
"i just don't write articles about it" yeah, you'd just rather push it aside and pretend you have it all together when it comes to film knowledge you prick. There's nothing wrong with being a film snob, but have some respect for people who are willing to experience and write about the shit they've missed. There are a lot of films out there and i'll bet "five easy pieces" isn't the only important one you've missed. And who says what movies are important? Who do you go to to decide what makes your viewing list more "complete" than quint's or anybody else's? whose opinion do you trust to guide you toward good filmmaking from a complete unknown? I'd love to know. Many people use Roger Ebert, but ebert liked "The Happening" what names are on your list of guru's and i think we'd all like a complete list of their highly rated films from the past three years you fucking twat. It is impossible to define a list of "must-sees" because there is no fucking list except in your own head. And your list probably sucks to the vast majority of film lovers on this site and they will pick it apart and question your sanity for films you have or have not seen. The difference is, in this case, that you are not paid for your bullshit opinions so shut the fuck up and get off this talkback. You add nothing to the conversation because you have contributed nothing from your own life except the indication that you are a sad person with bitterness and judgementalism running through your thoughts. go back to eating your bag of dicks you fucking tool.
June 30, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
dreadful, unwatchable shite. <P>Fuck me, some of you will defend anything. <P>And I like Miike as a rule, but that was just a shit effort.
June 30, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST
And I'm sure that Pasolini had nothing but good intentions for doing it - he was a champion of the oppressed and the poor - no one questions it. The real question is - did he effectively relay those intentions through his art. The vivid debate that's been had here simply illuminates - its debatable. As for the visual quality - Salo always was the more visually sumptuous of the two.
June 30, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST
Not a great film, but it did keep your attention. Helen Mirren was HOTT!! Who knew Romans had Crisco Grease?
June 30, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST
Watch that, it makes this film look tame.
June 30, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST
Kidding. Just kidding around.
June 30, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
what, exactly is funny or touching about Visitor Q. If it wasn't Miike (I even liked Happyness of the Katchakuri's for god's sake) you would be slating it. <P>It's repellent cinematic dogshit- the equivalent of an artist painting in Elephant dung, or menstrual blood (which has been done). <P>It's shock for shock's sake- and I really need convincing that it is anywhere near as good as you think it is. It's also dour, boring, incomprehensible, fragmented, and ill thought out. It doesn't hang together thematically, and the absurdities in it feel forced and unnatural. <P>No masterpiece, and probably miike's weakest film.
June 30, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
I know what I mean. Dagnamit. <P>And Visitor Q is not porn either. Pornography= obscene works with little or no artistic merit designed for the purpose of titilation. It doesn't have to be about sex. <P>In this case, Visitor Q (despite my low opinion of it)obviously has artistic merit, and isn't designed to titillate- MASSIVE SPOILER You aren't meant to be wanking yourself into a frenzy when he gets his cock stuck in the dead reporter, END SPOILER . It is unpleasant, but that is neither here nor there.
June 30, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST
I loved Anneka di Lorenzo and Lori Wagner- they were great in the lesbo scene!
June 30, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST
and the toaster has been laughin at me...now The Cowboys is added to it...how can you live in a world with TNT network or TBS and not have stumbled drunkenly into a full feature viewing of John Wayne's "BEST FUCKIN MOVIE EVER STARRING JOHN WAYNE AND BRUCE DERN" (which was the Academy Award it won in '72...strangely, this award would return in '07 as MTV BEST MOVIE THAT HASN"T COME OUT YET AWARD...which Transformers would win)anyway...what I'm trying to say is...it's sad that you have kept all this joy out of your life for so long...Your list astounds me...but your on the road to recovery with these films
June 30, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST
Back when video stores were first proliferating, my friend and I rented "Caligula" on VHS. The clerk, being really green, didn't question whether two high school kids should be watching violent porn, nor did he remember to charge us for it. It wasn't worth the price.
June 30, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST
The 3 disk Imperial Edition does have deleted scenes (almost an hour), but I only watched a few minutes because the quality was so bad. www.dvdtalk.com has a great review of the Imperial Edition and all the extras. I recommend it whether you like the movie or not (I don't, but I love listening to Helen Mirren).
June 30, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST
"JAWS is the crowning achievement of film" or is it simply his favourite movie? There is a difference. A great movie is not always one you would ever want to watch again. Gone with the Wind is impressive and a must-see for any movie fan, but how many of us would watch it over and over again? <p>"The Elephant Man? Cool Hand Luke? Pappilion? The fact that you've never seen these movies is systemic of a Hollywood intelligencia that knows absolutely nothing about what makes good films."<p>Not having seen a select few of your "must-see" titles makes someone incapable of having an opinon on film? By that logic, can we assume that as long as somone has seen these films (even if they are the only films they have seen) their opinion must be valued above all others?<p>But I do agree that most executives wouldn't know a good movie unless the person whose ass they were kissing told them what to think of it. But then, Quint isn't an executive. He's just a guy with a cool job who writes about what he sees. He doesn't make the decisions in Hollywood, he comments on them (or at least, the end result of those decisions).<p>I am curious what you, and others who have been critical about what Quint has not yet had the time to see, what movies have you not seen? And by that I mean movies that would surprise your family or friends if they knew. I haven't seen most of the ones on Quint's list, including Papillon (but I will soon; it's #1 on my Ziplist). Others, off the top of my head include Raging Bull, Blue Velvet, The Seven Samurai, Ran, Dog Day Afternoon.
June 30, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST
I have a soft spot for this film, having seen the unrated cut in a theater as a teen. I think it gets a bad rap, and is much better than it is given credit for. The acting is excellent across the board, especially John Gielgud. The music is very effective, and the film has a pretty "big" feel, even though the sets are far from realistic. The film is a mess, that's for sure, but it is a lovable mess, just the same. There really isn't a whole lot of sex in the film, but two scenes, the lesbian scene and the brothel boat, are excellent. The lesbian scene, shot by Guccione, is amazingly hot, as is the blowjob in the boat sequence. I have been told that the name of the actor who gets the BJ is Lucky Fellowes, but don't know if it is true. I must have seen this movie twenty times, and the Imperial Edition DVD is a great improvement over the original release. Caligula's sister is extremely cute and sexy despite the mustache, and even though Hellen Mirren doesn't do any hardcore, she shares some kisses with the sister that will make your 40 yr old dick feel like a teenager again. I haven't read it, but I understand that Gore Vidal's original screenplay had almost no heterosexual sex, and was just gay gay gay all the way. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but this is a majestic tribute to the full bush porn of the era, and if the purpose of porn is to get you hard (or wet) then Guccione succeeded.
June 30, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST
That Tinto Brass, whatever his disagreements with Guccione, put his indellible stamp on Caligula. If you haven't seen any of his work, he has a tremendous ass fetish, and Caligula is full of hot asses, particularly Caligula's sister and Lori Wagner. Ass lovers take note, Brass is your man.
June 30, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST
It is character driven rather than a cartoonish, pseudo-action film the sequels were (#4 in particular).
June 30, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST
Men Behind The Sun- watch this and good luck.
June 30, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST
saw no mention of othat in this tb, just thought i'd throw in the obligatory to complete the triad of sick depravity along with caligular and salo.
June 30, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
...is why would you visit an article whose very purpose offends you? The series is intended for Quint to catch up, and then you come on and insult him for not watching certain movies. That's the entire point of the series! He IS watching these movies! <p>So why harp on him? And why visit this specific series of articles that wouldn't appease you anyway, no matter what he said? Isn't that masochism?
June 30, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
Are you talking about Benigni's "Life Is Beautiful"? Because that didn't win best picture. Not in the U.S. and not in Britain, at least, and since you referred to Rocky and Million Dollar Baby, you are talking about the U.S.
July 1, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
OK- fine, I won't ever change your mind on the absolute lack of merit in Visitor Q. However, what I will do is point out to you that your argument about porn actually supports my point. Miike was commissioned to make an erotic/ porn film. What he turned in was "anti-porn"- necrophilia, incest, exploding breastmilk etc. This is the exact equivalent of the artist painting in elephant shit. <P>Just because it is provocative does not mean it is good. <P>And what about my other arguments about it's cinematic flaws? you don't address any of them, just some utterly subjective point about why you find it beautiful. <P>It's trash masquerading as intellectual art, pure and simple.
July 1, 2008, 4:32 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
I may give that pompous tool memories a TB kicking when I see him, but I never troll.
July 1, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
It's a wonderful romantic comedy for about 45 minutes. Then stop the tape before it becomes a "concentration camp comedy." It's like a great short film that way, and you don't get the pandering Spielbergian BS of the second half.
July 1, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
is exactly my point. You have written about the symbolism and "nice touches" of visitor Q without touching on any of the myriad problems with it. <p>I said it had obvious artistic merit, and that is what you have explained. What it is, is a very, very well made piece of shit. Much as the Elephant dung painting was an amazingly constructed piece of shit (it did win the turner prize). I'm never going to convince you, but if you take a step back from it and look at it as a whole rather than a series of "moments" then it really is an absolute cesspit of a film worth only scorn.
July 1, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST
Your previous post you said "The truth of the matter is that no one's really said anything pertaining to my comments. It's really funny to watch you cattle line up to suck Quint's dick. What a cult of personality this site is. But as for substance, there's been nothing. What a surprise."<p>So I asked questions related to some of the things you said and all were able to come back with a condescending comment. <p>My point, in case you missed it, was that no one has seen every movie made. Everyone has at least some films they have yet to see; films that would be considered by most film fans as "must see movies". I asked you what yours were and I listed some of my own. You replied with nothing more than a snide remark. If that's the all you have to offer you can play with "big boys" all you like; I'll have adult conversations with the men.
July 3, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
hes a hypocrite and a dickhead!
July 5, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST
July 6, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST
Yeah, Quint, Salo and Caligula would have made a hell of a pair of movies to watch for a festival. Salo isn't as terrible in terms of violence as most movies nowadays like Hostel or Wolf Creek or Ichi. What makes it stand out is the technical skill of making it and the attitude of the movie. It completely buys into the evil that people do. Very, very disturbing film.