June 26, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST
June 26, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST
LONG LIVE LEDGER.
June 26, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST
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June 26, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST
Wow Harry, I'm surprised that the suits are letting this story get posted this early on, there is a lot of detail here. Fuck anyone who says that you guys don't hunt down scoops anymore! ☺
June 26, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST
by Leto III
...Hunh. Color me intrigued, either way. If Abrams can make this work...look out.
June 26, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST
Harry, you just have no fuckin taste.
June 26, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST
I hated ST:Generations, loved First Contact, Insurrection was ok, and was dissapointed with Nemesis. JJ is treading on dangerous ground, and I am sure he knows that, so he must take great care with how he handles this. It is either gonna be great, or will just utterly destroy Trek as we know it. I hope it's gonna be great. The characters are the key, and it is not so much that they look like the characters, they MUST act like the characters we know and love, that is the key to this movie being great or sucking bad.
June 26, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST
June 26, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
That's the kind of thing that's got me interested in this reboot. A realistic look at humanities first steps into the galaxy. I'm not a big fan of any of the older Star Trek stuff but if JJ can capture the wonder of exploring space then he'll easily make over $400 million.
June 26, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST
Sorry. This is going to suck. Big time.
June 26, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST
by T 1000 xp professional
then again I was 10 or 9 tops... This sounds cool, I'm all for this.
June 26, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST
No. Didn't see Klingons. Aren't we supposed to see Romulans? That was the rumor according to Moriarty. But I didn't read that cuz Drew posts massive spoilers and I was concerned. But I thought Romulans were the bad guys. Ultimately - we know the main baddie is Eric Bana though - and no - I didn't see any of that. And I got zero sense of plot or story. Just a sense of scale and tone. But that got me curious.
June 26, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST
Can you say anything more about the actors? Even if they're not there yet in this scene, do they all "fit" in your mind's eye into their eventual roles? Or does anyone seem like a bad cast, from the bit you saw?
June 26, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST
by Uncle Stan
June 26, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST
Honestly - what I saw was a quick scene with little vignettes of character flourishes. Everything in motion - but each character beat felt in tune with what we know. My two greatest concerns cast wise were Cho and Pine prior to seeing them - and Pine was quite good and Cho - looked very appropriate sitting at his station on the Enterprise in a classic Trek uniform. He had, I think - one line delivered in a serious tone - and I thought SULU. So that worked. There wasn't anything that felt wrong in the least, but it was strange... cuz it all looked big. The Enterprise looks huge, both on the outside and on the inside. Not spacey, but it felt like if you had to walk the length of the enterprise you'd hope there were a couple of bench spots to rest.
June 26, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST
Harry, any idea when we might see a new trailer with some new footage? I'm taking a wild guess and saying Christmas? Sounds good though. The mental picture you conjure up of the bridge has me stoked.
June 26, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST
Very cool. This will be a classic I am sure.
June 26, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST
RULED. i can't believe you'd write it off so easily, harry. in my opinion, that was the pinnacle of star trek TV series. by the time that wrapped up, i cared about every single major character, knew all the arcs for each one... i was devastated when that series ended. TNG had some incredible, beautiful moments and inspired storytelling, but the series overall didn't pack nearly the punch that DS9 did. just my 2 bars of latinum.
June 26, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST
by dead youngling
As someone who looks at the stars and asks, "What if?", this is what most interests me. Is it possible to see some sort of "star trek" in the actual sense of those words in my lifetime?
June 26, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST
I think this is the first thing that I've read that had to do with the new film. If Mori posted spoilers, then I'd have passed on it. Thanks so much Harry! Too bad he didn't give you a photo of, well, ANYTHING that you could post here, but thanks for this nonetheless. Also, I just submitted my first ever review of a film and sent it to Quint, as I wasn't sure where to send it.
June 26, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST
by xavier masterson
When you say classic trek uniforms, do you mean the original series or the uniforms that were introduced in Wrath of Khan? Apply that same question to the bridge, a redesign but same aesthetics of TOS Enterprise or a variation of what we saw in the film series?
June 26, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST
Actually, I am a medical student, so dammit Harry, don't push yourself like this again, even for a scoop like this... Maybe I'm searching in your bits of information for what I want to see in this movie, and I'm unsatisfied as yet. Anything of old Spock in this? And you keep speaking of grandness, and improved techiness, but does it feel like cowboys in space? Is that you mean by it feels "real"?
June 27, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST
So, by your standards, the Enterprise is 20 feet long, Harry? ;) I kid, you big goofball! We're proud of the progress you've made! How do you measure up these days?
June 27, 2008, 12:09 a.m. CST
by THE KNIGHT
But I liked MI3. Fuck it, I'm there.
June 27, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST
Will I Like this?
June 27, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST
For even thinking that HE can say anything bad about JJ Abrams. I keeed. I keeed. :-p
June 27, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST
I have an associate who has worked behind the scenes on this film and he tells me that William Shatner is indeed involved in the production, but not to the extent that Nimoy is. Abrams, Burk, Kurtzman and Shatner met prior to the film and decided they would pull the wool over the fans eyes until the last possible minute.....a sort of reverse viral marketing.....but rest assured, despite his rantings, Shatner is in this film.<br><br> The other spoiler......so is Patrick Stweart as Picard in a cameo.<br><br> And fans will finally get some closure to the original big three......including DeForest Kelley's McCoy, though I'm not privy to how they accomplish this.
June 27, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST
Bones was always my favorite character, and ever since the Two Towers I've man-crushed hard on Karl Urban (although his efforts since have mostly sucked a big one) but when I heard he would be playing McCoy I just couldn't see it. Not at all. So reading this has reassured me somewhat.
June 27, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST
I was expecting a ton of true Wall*e reviews to flow in at midnight. Is there any guarantee of yours and/or Moriarty's review coming in within the next 24 hours? I'm seeing it tomorrow morning at 11. Trying to squeeze it in before work.
June 27, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST
So why did it take you so long to share this with us? And why such cool news at such a late hour?
June 27, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST
Why the JJ hate DarkJediStoops?
June 27, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST
Yeah, I also heard that is why it got pushed back til May. Is that true?
June 27, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST
It's no one's favorite film, but I've always been fond of it. And it really was one final grand opportunity to see the old crew in action. And I got really nostalgic, and very sad at how many of them have died off already. Lord, Deforest Kelly really is gone from this world, isn't he? That's fucking sad. And it made me scared as hell for this reboot. How the fuck can you recast the original crew? Who, in this day and age, can truly call upon the pure Ham necessary for kirk? Who can recapture the cranky yet witty and charming McCoy? and HOW THE HELL CAN YOU RECAST SPOCK!?!? I mean, I hope this thing is watchable, And I'd to cry STINO!!! but, I dunno...
June 27, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST
hey, if we is gonna fuck up continuity, lets fuck it up all the way
June 27, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST
Looks like you've decided on a repeated schtick to gain your attention. Common here, if a bit of a crutch. So, If you'll be pig fucked, I guess you're... receiving from a pig? How big can a pig's cock be really? I mean, I hope it never comes to this, but if I had to receive from an animal, I know I'd go for a horse. Maybe Goat if a horse isn't available...
June 27, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST
STAR TREK: NEMESIS was ass. Has anyone heard of that formula thing of even and odd numbered ST sequels? Even numbered ones being good, odd numbered ones being not so good. Nemesis broke that chain.
June 27, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST
Roddenberry created Star Trek to be a Utopian view of what mankind can achieve in the future. The studio hated that and wanted fist fights, shoot-outs and women so he had to compromise his TV show to deliver something closer to a western in space, He hated that compromise which is why when they asked him to do TNG he agreed on the condition he gets to tell the stories his way, no weekly fist fight, no monster of the week, no babe of the week and no races entirely presented as evil beings the way the Klingons were short-changed. TNG took 3 years to find its feet but from season three to season 5, THAT was the vision of Gene Roddenberry at its finest and everything after that is simply a show using the name of Star Trek to further its own needs for the studio once again. Pretty much like this film will be with its ridiculous fan boy casting of Simon Pegg as Scotty. Ridiculous!
June 27, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST
He is kind of forgettable. Harry, did you see/hear anything about that character?
June 27, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST
I don't mean to be a dick, but you've got to be kidding me. You realize that none of the movies released this summer have made that much money so far. It saddens me to say this, but sci-fi just doesn't has the same pull that it used to. I'd be surprised if this makes 200 million. And if it does, I would consider that to be a huge success for a Star Trek movie. I think you know your numbers better than that, Harry.
June 27, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST
400 million worldwide. I still think that's a little bit of a stretch, but yeah that's more realistic. I'll go crawl back into my hole now.
June 27, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST
That's how Roddenberry pitched Star Trek. Yes, it did have a utopian view of humanity, but essentially Gene pitched it as a space version of the western tv series that had aired just a few years prior.
June 27, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST
...too soon for optimistic. Thanks for the peek.
June 27, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST
When I visited, it was a friendly visit and I wasn't supposed to write anything, he told me that later this year when he had something more tangible to show - he'd invite me back to show me more. BUT - apparently somewhere along the way JJ decided he wanted to see what I'd write, if I did write. Problem was for me - I didn't really see that much and what I did see was weeks ago.... and I've seen a lot of other stuff in the meanwhile. So for the past week I've been working up the report - thinking about it - talking with Yoko about what she remembered as well and finished up the report today. --- I'm dying to write about WOLFMAN but I'm on embargo on that till - I don't know when. But I've got interviews with Benicio, Hugo Weaving, Emily Blunt, Rick Baker, Joe Johnston, the production designer and much more. Luckily that's all audio files that I'm having my intern transcribe - so there will be no loss of info due to memory issues.
June 27, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST
You saw Mission Impossible III, you've seen LOST, and if you were smart you enjoyed Cloverfield for what what it was, and didn't hate it for what it wasn't - it wasn't an ordinary disaster film, it was an exceptional, immersing one. JJ Abrams is talented and ambitious, Michael Giacchino is the next big film composer, and there's no reason for people to start moaning and groaning like this project is doomed to fail or to even be mediocre. I've been a huge Star Trek fan since I was a kid, and I have no doubt JJ Abrams is able to understand what Roddenberry intended Star Trek to be. I'm soooo pissed this film got pushed to May. The teaser trailer is perfect. I almost don't want to see anything else before then. But if that were really true, I would never visit this site. I'm as hopelessly addicted as the rest of you..
June 27, 2008, 1 a.m. CST
but i hope it's good... KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!
June 27, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST
Would be cool if the first full blown trailer was in front of the "Day the Earth Stood Still" Remake, but that's a 20th Century Fox movie.
June 27, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST
by Aphex Twin
I've seen every Trek in the theater since Star Trek III. I'll be there for this one too. Here's hopin' JJ can pull a fantastic film out of a fantastic franchise.
June 27, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST
by The Gospel According to Bastardface
And I hated Transformers, but this just sings.
June 27, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Red Dawn Don
"Roddenberry created STAR TREK to be a Western in Space." I thought that was how GENE RODDENBERRY sold the idea to the TV network SUITS. I think WAGON TRAIN was big at the time. STAR TREK as a WAGON TRAIN in space was his ploy. I think he really had a GRANDER VISION than WT. I like STAR TREK: ORIGINAL and the rest no so much. The first movie I always call THE HUNT FOR V'GER.
June 27, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST
Won't you just throw their tea into the harbor? Anyways, should the ban be lifted for Wall-E, seeing that I just got back from a local screening. I wanna know what you thought of probably one of the most perfect movies ever. I saw it with a annoying crowd talking early on, some lady in front of me flashing some bright ass green laser to look into her purse for wrappers to crumble. But after 10 minutes of the movie I don't think anyone said a word. I think they were in aw.
June 27, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST
or Nicholas Meyer. Star Trek is all about going forwards, not backwards. And recasting Kirk and co is just stupid. They should have got an entirely new crew, set it post-TNG and on a ship called the Enterprise. Boy, Berman really screwed Trek. If I was Roddenberry's son i'd have a hit on Berman and co organised.
June 27, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST
Hacks of the highest order. Can anybody here think of one memorable line of dialogue they've written?
June 27, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST
by The Marquis de Side 3
HOW young is this cast?
June 27, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST
Phoenixmagi2, don't you mean muscle-bound 'roid freak these days?! ;)
June 27, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST
Please don't let this film be a stinking floater. I've really enjoyed Trek since the early 70's and having grown up in a sense with Kirk Spock and McCoy, it would be a lot of fun to sort of revisit those three and have some more adventures. It's the kind of thing that makes me feel like a kid again, the hope that this will be cool and the public at large will agree. But if it turns out to be way off base, I guess I'll still have all my DVD's. I sure hope you're right Harry.
June 27, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST
he saved Spocks brain!!!!
June 27, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST
You & your team MUST watch this ... http://tinyurl.com/5g5pqf
June 27, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST
C'mon Harry ... get the f'n DVD's ... it was the best of the series since TNG ... ORIGINAL ... ORIGIN! ... Scott Bakula was freakin' sweet ... whatev ... I'm still stoked that you saw some sweet space shots ... sounds literally awesome ...
June 27, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST
Did Harry actually say early on in this article that there were some pieces of entertainment he didn't go head over heels for? :::picks up phone::: "Hello, LL Bean? Yes, I'd like to order your biggest, thickest winter parka. Yeah, and the matching pants...you got thick boots too? Great. Yeah, I want it shipped. Send it to 'Satan, Hell.' Hello?" Damn. Well, I tried.
June 27, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST
Enterprise was better than DS9? Seriously? I've been waiting to hear someone say that for quite some time now...I have a few questions for you. We'll start with #1: Were you born like Helen Keller, or did you acquire all her disabilities later in life?
June 27, 2008, 2:08 a.m. CST
And i haven't ever really been a big Trek fan but this is exciting. Not as exciting as getting my dark knight tickets.
June 27, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST
Avatar will have to beat Children of Fucking Men, The Fellowship of the Ring and There Will Be Blood. That's a tall order.
June 27, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST
It's Starship Troopers without all the really cool stuff?
June 27, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST
I don't think that Roddenberry would have cast a non-Japanese to play Sulu...All asians are not the same.
June 27, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST
He was drunk and stoned and started singing Elton John's Rocket Man down the phone to me. He said the film will die on its ass because they didn't ask him to be in ‘their’ movie. He did however try and sneak onto the Paramount lot by dressing up as Catwoman...but one of the security guys tazered him and he woke up in a cage in some vetinary clinic. Problem was the effects of the electric shock meant he was unable to talk, so the vets mistook him for a real cat and neutered him...ouch! of course, I didn't believe a word he said, because he was very, very drunk.
June 27, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST
I agree, Abrams is nowhere near as talented as Wise or Meyer and rebooting with this mutant half-canon story is just a bad idea. A new crew and a new ship set much farther into the future is what I wanted to see as well.<br><br> I can't think of a single decent line crapped out by Kurtzman/Orci either.
June 27, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST
did they leave shatner's balls in a jar? or did they just leave htem to dry
June 27, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST
Damn You Michael Bay
June 27, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
as Kirk, a little too much. Maybe they'll win me over.
June 27, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST
Were they "classic trek" as in post second pilot, or were they in line with the canon and look as if they might evolve to the costumes seen in "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before"?
June 27, 2008, 4 a.m. CST
Harry, your Insurrection review was the first AICN review i ever read and it was the one that convinced me that your site had merit.<p> Enterprise, otoh, managed to get very good by its final season. Definitely better than anything in insipid Voyager's entire 7-year run.<p>
June 27, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST
They decided not to come to San Diego because they have a built in audiences for their upcoming releases like Transformers 2, Star Trek, and Gi Joe. I think JJ is making a huge mistake not coming to the Con.....there are plenty of trekkies out there but are they that confident that recasting a beloved crew will go over so well? JJ needs to get people excited and that starts at the con. Then there is GI Joe directed by Stephen "The Mummy" Sommers. Another sure fire hit? Again...i'd be surprised if this movie was any good. Besides some released photos how could I possibly get excited for a Stepehen Sommers directed movie? Paramount should be concentrating on getting people pumped up at the con instead of being blatantly over confident. Since they pulled out of the con, I may have to pull out of their 2009 movie slate.
June 27, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST
really JJ deserves every shit bomb thrown at him..if your intelligence wasn't insulted by Cloverfield or Lost, then you dont have any worth mentioning.
June 27, 2008, 6:06 a.m. CST
trek is pretty much dead. JJ can ape styles, forms, visual concepts, and ideas. But what has the man ever created? <p> expect this to look and feel more 80's trek than 90's. which isn't all bad.
June 27, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
I'm okay with the idea of a prequel now. This little preview has me curious. The idea of a film that takes us from now to the original series sounds cool.<p>It's just what happens after that, that might worry Trekkies.
June 27, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
Trying to do for Trek what the BSG remake did for the original? The difference being there have been a lot of new Trek series and movies over the years and it'll have to compete with all of them whereas nothing stood in BSG's way of acceptance.
June 27, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST
Harry, open with this question, don't bury it in a 10,000 word essay about nothing. Christ after all these years you still can't write.
June 27, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST
I'm so freakin' jealous of you right now. Forget the haters, I think JJ is going to make this work, and work well.
June 27, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST
by David Cloverfield
is the greatest thing since slice bread. I didn't mind the "Young People Fucking" cast at first viewing, it helped the "suddenly there's shit going down" feeling. But they're really annoying the second time.
June 27, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST
Only joking! You lead a charmed life H' Like some sort of secret movie snooper!<P>This will be great! I've enjoyed everything JJ has offered up so far in his career<P>I aint a STrek nut so I can't moan if they get some nuts and bolts out of place on the enterprise, although I loved the Shatner and want to watch Wrath of Khan again now!. If it's as epic in Scale as the Starship Troopers Space Scenes I'll be happy, I'd even be cool with cheesy bootcamp teens and Baby Spock sound brilliant!
June 27, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST
My friend who is a Trekie wants pics from the movie at all costs! Try to report on them.
June 27, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST
wouldnt change a word
June 27, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST
...For posting J.J's TED speech. I found it very entertaining. J.J. reminded me of a young, hungry Spielberg. I'm sure it crossed your mind before. I'm psyched about a new Star Trek movie having watched the director's cut of the first motion picture the other night. I really enjoyed it and of course have a special place in my heart for Wrath of Khan. Can't wait to hear more from you when you visit with J.J. again.
June 27, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST
Right on the first, DEAD wrong on the second, and pretty wrong on the third, but that's just an opinion. I thought Nemesis was fun, and much more fun than the clusterfuck that was Insurrection. You feeling ok, Harry?
How are you feelin', post surgery, by-the-way?
June 27, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST
Actually, there's quite a lot positive you COULD have said. You just chose not to because it's generally been better than you can either admit or recognize. Despite you having missed the boat so often in the history of this franchise, I have a good feeling about this next movie, even though Harry seems to be on board with it and he generally gets things completely wrong. We'll see.
June 27, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST
C'mon, big guy... Nemesis wasn't a good movie but it beat the hell out of Insurrection, which was the absolute nadir of Trek. Words can't describe how much I hate Insurrection. It embodies everything which is awful about Star Trek. <p> Insurrection = STINKO!
June 27, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST
Even Bones? Isn't he supposed to be several years older than Kirk?
June 27, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
and greatly look forward to what J.J. has to offer. I'm no big fan of his, but I just want to see old school Trek get a foothold in popular culture again--and if he can do it respectfully, I'm all for it.
June 27, 2008, 7:54 a.m. CST
the Kobayashi Maru rumor is true? Please say it ain't so.
June 27, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST
Uh ... ok. But wasn't Bones much older than Uhura? And wasn't he the second docter? Sounds to me like they're doing what Hollywood does best, 'collapsing the universe.' Everyone has to be connected to everyone else, in some way--everything wrapped up in a neat-little self-contained world. Nothing can be random. Heaven knows kids can't think outside the box, these days.
June 27, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST
by Gungan Slayer
June 27, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST
put flames on the shuttles and lips on the Enterprise, so-to-speak. The only JJ thing I've ever seen was MI:3 and that was a dreadful, dreadful movie.
June 27, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST
by Dragon Man
I think it isn't stated enough how good an actor he was, because he made it look so easy. I saw the first episode of TNG for the first time in quite a while and watched his cameo with Data. That scene was so full of life and fun and it was all because of him; he owned that scene handsdown. Even now that TNG and Data are so established and well-known, that feeling still hasn't changed.
June 27, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST
I've said it plenty of times and I will say it again, Ryan Reynolds should've been Kirk. Him with Urban would've worked well.
June 27, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST
I agree with "What has JJ ever done"? He had a few good seasons of Alias and that's it. Lost is a cluster fuck that will never end or go away. I have been quite intrigued by the new Star Trek but they can go fuck themselves now after pulling out of the con. I'm sure someone will sell a bootlegged copy on the corner and i'll opt for viewing it that way.
June 27, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST
Yea, and after reading Harry's comments, I have hope for this film. To be honest I never thought I would see such a big push for Star Trek again. Maybe that Star Trek band Warp 11 will write a song about the new film.
June 27, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST
Or Sherlock Holmes? <p> It shouldn't matter if they recast the icons. Sometimes you get better. <p> For years, Basil Rathbone was the only Holmes people would picture when they thought of the great detective. <p> Then Jeremy Brett came along, and any Holmes fan who saw his performance would tell you THAT was Holmes. In a way that Basil could never be. <p> Recasting icons is not that big a deal.
June 27, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST
DS9. That was the last time Star Trek was fun and interesting. After two terrible movies and two terrible series, I wonder if there's any real excitement left out there? This thing has the potential to really bomb.
June 27, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST
I'm not getting how the whole ship is outfitted and manned. There was no crew before this one? A cadet becomes a Captain without even qualification tours on another hull? The doctor, the comm officer, the first officer, and the CO all go to school together? I have no idea how this is supposed to work. It's like no one's ever heard of, oh, I don't know, the Navy! Or reality! Now I can see Kirk passing back through Starfleet academy for a command course or something, but not as a cadet - how about as a Commander or Lieutenant Commander? Then there would be a reason for them all to be leaving SFA together. Anyone have any clue on how they are justifying the scene as Harry saw it?
June 27, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST
by u.k. star
Pearticualrly after they fully went into the massive Dominion stort ark from the end of the 2nd series, and got the Defiant. It's righly in Empire's list of 50 greatest tv shows of all time. I liked B% too, mostly do it was possible to like both you know.
June 27, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST
All those months ago, when we were shown the grimy looking Leatherboy Steelworkers welding, sweating and assembling Enterprise; It was at that time I took to the Talkbackers podium and prclaimed.."What is this fucking shit..Steam Trek?"
June 27, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST
First of all, not to sound overly geeky, but Kirk got a commendation for "original" thinking not "creative." Secondly, I agree that Nemesis is not as great as a lot of the other films in the franchise, but it totally kicks Insurrection's ASS! Insurrection was easily, hands down the worst film in the franchise since Star Trek V. Anyway, with that being said, I honestly don't know what to think about Harry's report. Besides a finished scene and visual effects, it sounded to me like there was still something missing. I hope I am wrong, because I am a Die Hard Trekkie and am not afraid to admit it. With a movie of this caliber though, with so much potential, AND on top of that having to reinvigorate the fan base while creating new fans, I expected Harry would have seen something more that would confirm that the above expectations have been met. Hopefully with the year or so they still have before the film's release that it will be perfected. I am confident with Abrams, I have enjoyed a lot of what he's been affiliated with, I just hope he surprises me yet again with a good, solid Star Trek film.
June 27, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST
by The Brain Machine
I wish you had seen some more details about the characters and plot, but this is at least promising. I, too was never able to get into DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise. They all felt watered down to me. The chemistry wasn't there, which is completely necessary for Trek to work. Each one of those Trek incarnations had characters that just bugged me. They may have worked for others, but not me... sorry. <br> <br> I can't wait to see some of this footage, and was surprised Paramount pulled out of ComicCon this year. There is such a big question mark over the heads of ST fans over this movie. Now is the time for Paramount to release something that settles, and excites the fans at the same time. <br> <br> You lucky SOB, Harry! More articles like this, please - its why we come back every day.
June 27, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST
God, I agree with you. It was plain awful. My friend and I -- both of us are to a limited degree Trek fans -- MST3K'd the fuck out of it upon seeing it in the theater, and that was more out of a reaction of how bad this movie was, and how shitty it was and how fast we were realizing this.
June 27, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST
Granted both are terrible, terrible films, but I have to go with Insurrection over Nemesis. Insurrection started to give us a philosophical question about the good of the many and all that before it turned into cinematic vomit. I also think the characters were given a chance to display some humor and fun, even if most of it was cheesy. Nemesis was humorless and devoid of fun. They also killed off Data, even though he appears in the future during the final episode of TNG, which I know is a pedantic complaint, but it annoyed me. Anything JJ comes up with will be better than either film. I don't know why it was so hard to make good Trek films. They have a less than fifty percent batting average.
June 27, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST
does your lapband shake?<p. DONTWAITFORTHETRANSLATION!! ANSWERTHEQUESTION!!!!
June 27, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST
Why isn't it a legit word? FUCKERS!
June 27, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST
I still pick Nemesis over Insurrection. Nemesis is far from II, IV, or VI, but it is better than Insurrection. With Insurrection, I can see the underlying theme about the morality of killing 300 people to save 3 million, but I can't get past, nor can I forgive Picard, Worf, and Data singing Gilbert & Sullivan during the shittiest CG shuttle chase sequence, nor can I forgive them cutting half of the Enterprise battle, we see them engage the enemy, and then cut back to the planet, cut back to the fight and the engines are venting their coolant. Also, and I am not trying to pick a fight, but they killed off Data in Nemesis really is not a valid argument for saying Insurrection is better, simply because they explained at the end of the TNG finale that Picard told the crew what he saw in the future as a way of indicating that the future hadn't been written yet, hence why we saw an Enterprise-D with 3 nacelles in the finale, but in Generations the Enterprise-D was destroyed, so the future that Picard saw, was not the actual future that was going to unfold.
June 27, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST
It's about who can play William Shatner. The od Shatner, not the balloon-shaped Bozo Shatner.
June 27, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST
June 27, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST
However, the larger point is that Data's death had no gravitas. If you're going to kill off a main character make it memorable. The fact that they shoehorned Data's retarded brother into the plot cheapened the death as well because you know they were planning on somehow bringing him back in a sequel. Besides, Nemesis was an even number film, so it wasn't supposed to suck. I haven't seen either film since their theatrical release, so maybe I'm forgetting some of the worst atrocities of Insurrection (I almost forgot about the Gilbert & Sullivan). It seems to me that Insurrection was a lame attempt at making a TNG version of Trek IV.
June 27, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST
This is still my favorite STAR TREK movie. Maybe its to adult [slower paced] than all the other action packed smuck out there.
June 27, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST
I have always been amazed that the Star Trek franchise has been around for 40 years, has created probably 700 or so hours of material, has reached the point where many are saying it has "run its course" or that they have told pretty much every conceivable story they have to tell, and yet, if you really think about it, they have barely scratched the surface in terms of stories to tell. <P> Everybody always talks about the 'Star Trek cliches'--the fact that there have been so many episodes of Star Trek that they end up telling the same stories over and over again: they come to a planet of aliens that seem benevolent, but actually they're BLANK or they get captured by a transcendental being who tests them, and so on and so forth. The implication is that they have run out of story possibilities, and anything they could come up with is just going to be something we've already seen repackaged or spun a little differently. <P> But what I don't understand is why they take this universe that they've spent 40 years creating, in which 150-300 years in the future the human race has made all this progress, internally and externally, has ventured out into space and begun interacting with other beings, and yet the only part of this world that they show us is one tiny little bit: what it's like to be in the military/scientific exploration organization called Starfleet. <P>It would be like if the 1960s were something that you had made up in your head, and you decided to create a series of TV shows and movies about them that spanned hundreds of hours, and you set the whole thing on four submarines and an aircraft carrier. Sure, you would run out of stories about things that can happen on a military vessel, but you wouldn't have even scratched the surface of possible stories to tell about this world! <P> We've heard again and again that the human race has gotten rid of crime and poverty, and that their society has one world government, no religion, and no money. Fucking show me that! That's a fascinating concept--the human race achieving peace and perfection. What would it work like? What would life be like for normal people in it? If there's no money, what do people do with their time? What's to stop everyone from being fat and lazy and unmotivated? <P>Is there really no crime? If there's no money, I guess there might not be theft, but what about rape and murder and adultery and assault? Do those exist? If so, how are they dealt with? If not, what is preventing them? <P>How does the government work? Are there political parties? Are there different philosophies about what is the best way to govern? Is there still the tension between ensuring equality and ensuring freedom? If so, what forum is this debate carried out in? <P>Is there really no religion? If not, what happens when individual people have spiritual or religious feelings that they feel the need to express--are they prevented from doing this? And if there is religion, how do members of different sects manage to get along with each other? <P> Do people still recognize the division of the world into different countries? What role does nationality play in people's lives? Does government work at a local level too, or just at the global level? How about race and ethnicity? Do people still recognize themselves as members of different races? Are there still racial tensions?<P>And that's all just internal--that doesn't take into account the role that aliens would play in everyday life, or the relation between earth and colonies of humans living on other worlds. But my point is that there are so many areas of the Star Trek universe that could be explored in an intellectually interesting way that don't involve warp drives or phasers or shields being down to 23 percent. <P>Why can't we have a "Star Trek" show whose plot is about the founding of a colony on another planet, and whose main character is the person assigned to be the governor of that planet? Or a show that takes place on earth: in a hospital, in a school, in a factory, in an engineering firm? Or just follow the life of a simple family that lives in one of the 22nd-24th century worlds that we've seen from the point of view of a ship? Or if you want the show to take place in space, why not on a cargo ship? Why not on a pleasure cruiser?<P> The people who say that Star Trek has run its course and that there are no more stories to tell aren't using their imaginations.
June 27, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST
I hope JJ doesn't have the entire crew graduate the academy together.
June 27, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST
in that Nemesis could have added more depth and gravitas to Data's death, then just letting it happen. And Data's retarded brother was just a cheap excuse for having Brent Spiner be in the next film if they were going to make another one, which thank god they're not and finally put the TNG cast to pasture. Despite knowing in his first scene exactly what Data's "brother" was in the film for, I ended up really enjoying Nemesis up to the last 10 minutes, after the final fight it all went downhill and in a similar fashion to the Gilbert & Sullivan we have a character singing "Blue Skies," which was just as shudder inducing. I think we can safely agree that they were both campy, cheesy, flawed films.
June 27, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST
by a rolling stone
Why don't we hand all this shit to Apple so they can build it?
June 27, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST
by a rolling stone
I just caught the Khan episode on TV, then the nerd in me prompted me to stick the movie in and watch it directly after. Khan was such a cool motherfucker. STII was the very essence of over-acting from both the hero and the villain...but it was just right.
June 27, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
That hanger scene sounds a lot like the first Tom Corbett: Space Cadet book. If so, very cool.
June 27, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST
Better Fucking get it right!!!!
June 27, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST
by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR
...although it doesn't seem as strong as it once did. Star Trek has often been a load of gash and the term 'Trekkies' is synonymous with the stereotypical spotty freakish-looking Halo-playing fatboy virgin losers that so accurately describes most of you guys (I don't play Halo, so obviously am better than all of you). The odd episode here and there, Trek hasn't been any good since the end of DS9, which is only so widely-acclaimed because it compared favourably to the pieces of shit Voyager and Enterprise and the tired final seasons of TNG. That and it actually had, you know, storylines that lasted longer than an episode. But my point is, how can this version of Trek really be inferior to Trek as we already know it? Surely that's impossible?
June 27, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST
by Lou Stools
...I hope they include a shot of engineers loading the Ark of the Covenant into the warp core and popping off the lid before slamming the door.
June 27, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST
Just one more time!!
June 27, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
And I didn't end up hating his ginger-butt for being such a dork. Did this version of Harry pop out of a pod? Or has the gastric surgery fixed his brain?
June 27, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
That's JJ's Holy Grail. The Big E is unsaid "star" of the show, as much as cast member as Pine or anyone else. It has to be done right for the flick to work.
June 27, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
One that contains all the horsehit no one cares about and one where you have something to say? <p>The largest fictional universe created in the last 40 years and all they can think to do is go back to the Kirk and Spock well. Fuck off, JJ.
June 27, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST
That show is called "Battlestar Galactica". "...How does the government work? Are there political parties? Are there different philosophies about what is the best way to govern? Is there still the tension between ensuring equality and ensuring freedom? If so, what forum is this debate carried out in?...Is there really no religion? If not, what happens when individual people have spiritual or religious feelings that they feel the need to express--are they prevented from doing this? And if there is religion, how do members of different sects manage to get along with each other?...Why can't we have a "Star Trek" show whose plot is about the founding of a colony on another planet, and whose main character is the person assigned to be the governor of that planet?..."
June 27, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST
Pike says right on, given how much the franchise has degenerated the past few years a re-boot will either be super sweet or super sucky. Having Abrams involved leans me toward the former, if it's the latter then wait two years and something better will come out, like the Hulk, which was awesome.
June 27, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
the perfect to utopia of the ST universe doesn't make sense. They can't even get it staright whether they have money or not. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. There's no war on earth but there's war all over the rest of the galaxy. There's not racism but Bones basically calls Spock a half breed n---ger all the time. <p>They never had their shit together. That's why DS9 is the best. People were more human and there were more space battles. </p>
June 27, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
I'm sorry, you didn't hear?
June 27, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST
That was the biggest piece of shit. Nemesis was at least tolerable. Your Trek taste is manic.
June 27, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST
but then they decided to do the same thing over and over again. DS9 was the first series to have non-Starfleet main characters. It was a wonderful means of expanding the universe, but then the producers decided that viewers wanted more or the same.
June 27, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST
Time Travel, Whales, Fan Dancing, baked beans and singing androids.
June 27, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST
...in a Star Trek Movie. Remember, she didn't DIE in the Indy 4 flick. If you were JJ, that would be the perfect way to "Suck Satan's Cock" and genuflect to Spielberg AND Lucas at the same time: Bring Irina back as this lightsaber wielding Jedi in the Star Trek universe. Have Spielberg direct. Grand Unification Theory of the Franchises. It works on so many levels. There's a reason why Irina's conscience was allowed to go into another dimension at the end of Indy IV. The character is too good to kill off permanently, and you can make her transition to an SF character. But first, JJ has to genuflect to the Great Spielberg and the Almighty Lucas. Nyuk, nyuk.
June 27, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST
Trek fan, but somehow I've missed this and I wonder if it's just common knowledge.. but is the JJ Star Trek a flashback (Spock: "ah we were young back then") or is it a reboot with none of the history from the shows, books, movies being canon? Or don't we know yet?
June 27, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST
Old Spock travels back in time to warn New Spock about a threat to Kirk.
June 27, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST
Insurrection sucked because the entire dramatic conflict was such a fucking sham: happy peace-loving aliens sitting on the fountain of youth vs greedy old aliens trying to exploit it. Everyone knows that loving peace is GOOD and greedy exploitation is BAD but does it occur to anyone on the Enterprise that the peace-loving aliens sitting selfishly on the fountain of youth might be a little greedy themselves, when the entire galaxy might benefit from their fountain of youth?<p> Nemesis's problems were different: in principle, a potential war between the Romulans and the Federation should have been a great setting for drama. But it was hard to give a rat's ass about the villain and Logan's script was deeply overrated, the set-up for Data's death was just trite.<p> it's a draw they both suck.<p>
June 27, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST
Stupid mistake, with a ST reboot and all, at the Las Vegas Hilton. They still get the convention crowd -- not just the trek conventions -- but have to luxury up the joint.
June 27, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST
I liked the original series quite abit but I can't say I loved it with a passion. I was totally against the Next Generation and didn't watch it until mid second season and then I was hooked and was a loyal 'must see this when it's first on' viewer.. I tried to warm up to Deep Space Nine but I missed a few episodes and then realized that the show heavily depended on following each episode so I dropped it. Someday I'd like to watch the entire series in a clump (I've heard it holds up extremely well). I thought Voyager had the best promos but the episodes always felt rushed and flat to me and I gave up. I really wanted to like Entertprise since I liked Scott Bakula on QL.. .but I got annoyed that they were playing around with established time lines and besides that it felt not enough like Star Trek when they were in the grungy ship and too much like some other show when they'd pop into some distant future situation.
June 27, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST
Isn't he like the action hero sort of actor and I can't help but imagine the new Kirk would seem pretty weak next to him. I really don't get that casting. It's like they are all the same age.
June 27, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST
Were cold blooded killers of tng movie franchise. Insurrection was a waste of money and time and the plot was bland as hell. It would only just barely make a decent episode. I think even Levar Burton said that they didn't make a good one after First Contact which was a fantastic movie. It was one of the few that had memorable lines and scenes in. What memorable scenes were in Insurrections? Beverly and Deanna talking about their boobs? Worf getting a zit?
June 27, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST
and easily becomes one of those shows that no matter how many times you've seen the episodes you can still let them run as soothing tv background noise, much like the Simpsons, those old Law & Order re-runs, etc.
June 27, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST
I hope we don't recognize all the tech because it will be dated in 5 years. thats the great thing about TOS the Tech still looks good because its so beyond what we knew then & even now.
June 27, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST
Been a while since there has been any Trek on worth watching. I hope this lives up to the expectations. Leave the marshmallows, and emotion chips, and overall general sap. Bring on the grit, and realism.
June 27, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST
I never realized that TPM made more than Khan...the way people talk about the first two, it makes it sound like the first was a huge bomb and the second saved the series. When it turns out that they both did well, but the studio had higher expectations for the first based on budget. I'll have to watch the first one, I don't think I ever got around to seeing it.
June 27, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST
Nemesis B4 was obviously set up to be like McCoy who had memories of Spock in his head ready to bring the character back. Very bloody unoriginal. They should of brought Lore back instead. Or Q ready to finally judge humanity as he sees it represented in Picard's crew and if they could face the challenges he said they would never be ready for.
June 27, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST
by Pvt. Noguchi
I feel the same way. While i like starfleet and the action oriented stories you can get from a basis in the military, i would LOVE to see another side to the ST universe. And for the guy who said "Watch BSG": Ok, that's how they do it in that universe, i want to see how they do it in the trek universe. you could have just as easily said "Watch Bab5", which is a great show, but isn't the other side of trek. I want a bab5/BSG realism brought to the trek 'verse.
June 27, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST
You said his budget is at least 3 times $35 mil. That's 105 million. Assuming it's a little more maybe, 150 million, why the 400 million mark? Can't they hit 200 mil. worldwide and then kill in DVD sales? I don't know really, I'm not savvy to this Hollywood numbers stuff.
June 27, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST
was dumped onto Voyager instead.
June 27, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Make a movie that the whiny little bitches who didn't like the real Trek will like. Screw the fans. "Whoah! Awesome dude! Look at the explosions and guns and stuff!" We are nowhere near Roddenberry's vision anymore. So why not call it something else, rather than feeding off the name?
June 27, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST
It should even be called Star Trek.
June 27, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST
It's too good to be called STAR TREK.
June 27, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST
is that the number of Trek fans has diminished considerably since the days of TNG. I dropped out a couple of years into Voyager and judging by the short run of Enterprise I think plenty of people did the same. They need to create new fans or the series is dead. I like Trek, but I can see the appeal of just letting it be instead of trying to breath new life into it.
June 27, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST
"You judge yourselves against the pitiful adversaries you have so far encountered -- the Klingons, the Romulans, are nothing compared to what's waiting. Picard, you are about to move into areas of the galaxy containing wonders more incredible than you can possibly imagine... and terrors to freeze your soul. I offer myself as guide -- only to be rejected out-of-hand."
June 27, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST
I have only ever seen Cloverfield, which he didn't even direct, never saw Alias or Lost, I have MI:3 but have not gotten around to watching it. I am just hoping he doesn't screw this up, there is a lot riding on this movie for him, it's a potential career killer.
June 27, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST
-- maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid.
June 27, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST
savage, murderous Tribbles with sharp teeth
June 27, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST
by Kid Z
... or Horndog Harry would've been sure to have mentioned it... along with a chocolate-covered p*ssy juice reference.
June 27, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST
Wesely back! Hurray! My God it was just a cut scene but I still wanted to punch him in the face. One of the most obnoxious characters of all time.
June 27, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST
by Kid Z
...runs off of an engine built from the Ark of the Covenent, couple of Crystal Skulls, assorted gray alien saucer parts, Davy Jones' heart, the Head of John the Baptist, and the cure for AIDS (used as an engine coolant).
June 27, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST
Kindergarden on the Enterprise, ship theropyst sitting next to the Captain on the bridge that looks more like a Senior Condo in Clearwater Florida than a starship bridge???? Synthohol??? Fat Androids who actually get fatter??? What a bunch of fucking fags!!!
June 27, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST
Agreed on Wesley Crusher, an annoying whiny little fuck who ruined ST:TNG for me. I stopped watching it because of him, started again when he was gone, but then when they made him a fucking divine being or some shit, I never watched TNG again after that.
June 27, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST
by Abominable Snowcone
to the conclusion that sooner or later, I'll see the movie.
June 27, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST
That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.<p>Irina Spalko as a Sith Lord? Now we're talking!
June 27, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST
they did to a Star Trek show that focused on the science/politics of forming a new colony wherein the main character was the governor of said colony.<p> It was called Earth 2
June 27, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST
Still, it's surprising to me. There are a lot of movies that are costing 150 million to make, but not a lot of movies pull in 400 million. Somebody somewhere is making money off these things. I always assumed it was dvd sales.
June 27, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST
Where do studios get off sinking $150-$200 million into every movie they produce?? God quality can be made with less than a stratospheric budget, then the studios have the balls to complain because their bloated budget movie didn't rake in $400-$500 million. Cut the budgets and demand quality, then you can consider raising budgets. I guess Paramount should give the Beavis and Butthead movie a $200 million dollar budget huh?
June 27, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST
by Powers Boothe
The black actress from The L Word is Rose Rollins. Zoe is Hispanic but is almost always cast as an African-American. She does a lot of indie type films but is probably best known for Spielberg's The Terminal and the recent film Vantage Point.
June 27, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST
Nor is he the ship's cook. In the film Shatner is Kirk... in the same way that Nimoy is Spock. Dig?
June 27, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST
the only reason they invite you to it so you'll do what you're doing now which is to say nice things about it and get every geek excited about this and by giving you that small peek it makes you feel special which gurantees a positive review. Peter Jackson used this website on King Kong where you guys were reporting every little thing that happened on the movie and now the Star Trek are getting you to do the same.
June 27, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST
It appears, to my mind, that they are getting it right.
June 27, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST
As Shatner & Nimoy point out in their respective autobiographies/memoirs/Trek-trivia books, Trek was meant - MEANT - to be Horatio Hornblower/WagonTrain in space... Roddenberry had all the lovey-dovey humanistic shit in there too, but that was how he pitched it... and that's what we got. Hadn't heard Karl Urban was playing Bones, I like. Fucking Simon Pegg, however, will be a dirty poo stain on the otherwise *okay* cast. Sure, he can make funny films, act a little, but fuck, man. If they really wanted a ginger, they should've got someone like Damian Lewis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0507073/) to do it. If not him, then at least someone who isn't... funny. And who can act in serious films.
June 27, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST
by CAPTAIN RIGHTWING
Jesus christ man! pull your head out of Jar Jar's ass you demented little butt pumping rump ranger!
June 27, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
I saw him on a Star Trek edition of the game show "The Weakest Link" and he was such an ass that every other person on it was completely pissed at him. He tried to say after he was booted that he was acting, playing the role of a jerk, but I don't think anyone was buying it. Also, don't forget that Zoe Saldana was in POTC. I'd love to see her be the non-crap-taking Uhura that was occasionally allowed to speak up ("Ahhh...fair maiden!" "Sorry. Neither!").
June 27, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST
by CAPTAIN RIGHTWING
You do realize you're being played right? They knew they were not participating in Comic Con and they were doing damage control.<p> I also suspect they are somewhat afraid of fan reaction to the changes they've made.
June 27, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST
I wonder if the footage that Abrams chose to show is intended to be part of the first trailer. It seems to me that Harry saw the footage a while ago, and just now got permission from Abrams to write his report on it. If so - Does this mean that something may be coming soon. Maybe a surprise at ComicCon?
June 27, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST
by Mr. Bob Dobolina
I'm so glad we're back to the days of TOS, when men were men and girls were green and miniskirts were regulation. TNG and the subsequent 24th century ilk smelled like ass. Welcome back Star Trek, you've been away far too long!!
June 27, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST
by Arch Nemesis
Good review, your focus on a lot of fans' major concerns sets my mind at ease a bit, namely regarding the new actors....at least from a glimpse which is all you really got but this gives me hope. So, good preview. I will say that I don't think the movies eroded all that badly after KHHHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNN, anyway The Undiscovered Country was excellent, one of my favorites. And I disagree with Yackbacker on AOTC and am glad you're holding to your review from way back then, I think you were spot on with your tape-slipped-under-the-hotel-room-door review. The movie had its flaws but I got the same sense of fun and excitement about it, post Ep.1, that you did.
June 27, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST
You are correct sir. Look what happened in 1997. Star Wars (yes the first one, not "episode IV", I always call the first and the best just Star Wars) was re-released for its 20th anniversary and made $138 million, showing how timeless it is, and how loved a film it is. Oh and BTW, Blade Runner, AWESOME movie, that one I did see in the theaters when it came out, and it still holds up to this day. Oddly enough I have yet to see the newer, re-cut editions, but I am sure I will get to it.
June 27, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST
Damn You MCMLXXVI
June 27, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST
Abrams is not doing a prequel. He's doing a reboot. We know that Kirk served on at least three ships before Enterprise, because he started as an ensign - as do all academy graduates. He was on his second assignment when the vampire cloud attacked, killing many crew members and leading Kirk to develop an "Obsession" with destroying it. He then commanded a ship lower in the food chain than the Constellation-class Enterprise. The Enterprise had a different chief medic when Kirk signed on, as we saw in "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It's semi-canon that McCoy didn't even join Starfleet until shortly before he was posted to the Enterprise. As was noted above, it's damned unlikely all these characters would have their first postings on such a prestigious ship. But I'm a Trek geek (retired), so what do I know?
June 27, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST
it's neither a prequel nor a reboot. We "know" the story involves time travel. So it's an alternate timeline story. No worries! Everybody relax.
June 27, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST
Star Trek and time travel. At least not for me.
June 27, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST
I love Lost, but he's only one of many responsible for that show so he doesn't get all of the credit. Then I finally got around to seeing Cloverfield and was shocked when the movie sucked. Granted, he didn't direct that film so he doesn't get all of the blame. I never got around to watching MI3, mostly because I thought the first two sucked. It seems like he really hasn't been tested on the scale this film will test him.
June 27, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST
Kay, imagine a movie where you start at the end (or near the end), and one character is reacting and talking to someone off screen, THEN you see that one character remember everything that happens and thus, we see the "movie." Now combine that with time travel. Then have something in the story "change" time... then we see go back to the "present" and see that the main character is talking to someone who is supposed to be dead... sounds like LOST? Ummm.... yeah... and it's also a lot like the story structure Mr. Abrams like A LOT... and it just may be the structure of the new Star Trek. Hmm.
June 27, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST
June 27, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST
Like waving a little flag with RETARD printed on it
June 27, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
with time travel mixed with alternate timelines mixed with parallel universes mixed with character amnesia. That way, if you pay close attention, you can be the only one (including those in the movie) who knows what the Hell is going on and be all superior. Lol!
June 27, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST
wth happened to it?
June 27, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST
JOEL: Character A was a lifelong friend of Character B. Character B is dead. Character A misses him a lot. Character A finds out someone intends to kill Character B long before Character A ever became Character B's friend. Character A goes back to stop Character's B's premature death and somehow changes things so Character B DOES NOT DIE... and so when he comes back Character B is waiting for him. Character A, who is not normally the emotional type, smiles. What do you think, sirs? PROFESSOR FORESTER: I think I saw this on Doctor Who once. Or maybe it was Galaxy Quest. Oh well <PUSHES BUTTON> JOEL: WE GOT MOVIE SIGN!!!!
June 27, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
See, it can be done.
June 27, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST
The most successful of all Star Trek movies made $109 million domestic. Most of them grossed in the mid-70 million range. There is no way in hell this new movie is going to break even. Even if its the best movie of all time, there is just a limited audience for Star Trek - and I don't think there's any reason to expect this is going to be the best movie of all time, or even the best Star Trek movie of all time. Its going to flop.
June 27, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST
I never even liked Trek but I like JJ and might check it out, or take my dad who is a Trekkie. But your right, it's going to be VERY tough to pull in a large audience. They need to convince the older crowd that even with a completely new cast, it's still Trek, and need to convince the young crowd that Trek can be hip and cool...tough. <p> Although, like most franchises as Hollywood is learning, if you have no entries in it for a long time, people will pour their wallets out to see a reboot/decade later sequel with updated technology.
June 27, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST
You've just been visiting AICN too much and are now cynical when it comes to anything. Yeah, a lot of these reboots are disappointing but its because of all this internet hype. Get away from it or just chill out and lighten up. Not trying to be a dick or anything. <p> Too many people on AICN and other sites like it calling for movies to suck before they come out, so when they do hit, you've already got it branded into your skull that the movie will blow.
June 27, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST
Didn't know what to expect going in but it was really fun. It's definitely a movie to see with an audience and in a theatre, not alone at home. Entertaining on the most basic level, and I can dig that.
June 27, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST
Looking at Hollywood accounting, one has to remember Yogurt in Spaceballs.... "merchandising, merchandising!" If you look at the new movie as a stand-alone movie, you may be right (getting people interested in Trek again is definitely a challenge). If you look at it as a way to jump-start a 40-year-old franchise and then flood the market with new releases of the original series, new products, new tie-ins, a potential new series... well, you can amortize the cost of the new movie for a long time...
June 27, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST
Speed Racer has "flopped" because the merchandising hasn't sold very well (unless it's clearance priced, which has started and people think "Hey! Cheap birthday gift for little Timmy's cousin/classmate/friend") and the box office disappointed out of the gate. Iron Man is a hit because everybody is happy - the merchandise is selling out, the studio is flush with cash, and the theatre owners got consistent ticket revenue weeks past the initial release - basically, legs). If the ancillaries do well (and trust me, I'll be snapping up LOTS of tie ins for new Trek, as will a lot of fans) and the movie is not DOA Hollywood will say it's a "hit".
June 27, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST
I bet they are hoping for Iron Man-like numbers - $80 to 100 million first weekend - and if it opens with less than 50 million on May 8th, they'll be some wailing and gnashing of teeth. Thing is, there is NOTHING else being released that weekend, and the only holdovers will be Wolverine and (shudder) The Hannah Montana movie, that open May 1st. Wolverine may bite into Trek's sales if it's REALLY good, but Hannah is gonna have a huge drop and really - it's not the same audience (duh). If another studio moves up a release to go against nuTrek, THEN we may have an interesting situation (especially if it's a SF flick, like Terminator 4 or Nowhereland). That may mean some studio heads smell blood in the water.
June 27, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST
to me ANY new TREK is going to be worth checking out...
June 27, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST
...just remember this: You're reading AICN. There's not a more hackish site out there. If you hate hack writers so much, why do you ready Harry Knowles' reviews?
June 27, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST
I mean, yes, it didn't have the same sense of scale as "The Motion Picture" because they trimmed off all the fat and pretense. "Horatio Hornblower in space." You're not going to win anyone over if you start talking about Wise's Star Trek and J.J. Abrams' in the same breath.
June 27, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST
Uh....no he didn't. That was never his intention. That's how he got the networks to buy into his science-fiction idea--by selling them on the whole "Wagon Train to the Stars" motif when, in fact, he had no intention on delivering that. He has said so himself. Research before reviewing is key.
June 27, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST
It was meant ironically. Star Trek + time travel is nearly as risky as Star Trek + search for gods.
June 28, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST
I even would have hoped to see a movie where the Space Feferation is coming into being and you see the first explorations. And there's no aliens amongst the crew. There hasn't been any contact yet. You just see human beings exploring the cosmos and what they see outthere.
June 28, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST
...to "show face" at this point in the game IMHO.<p>HEADGEEK is allowed to emote in an article after an editing room visit to witness the attempted rebirth of one of the biggest franchises in history.<p>In other words, this WAS a write up based on a cordial visit, as opposed to a full movie review from HeadGeek as film critic -- which I am looking forward to since the visit to JJ's editing suite has built up the excitement level. Now the question is will it backfire on this TREK effort or will it be the jumping off point for a positive review from Harry if the finished work is deserving? We'll see.<p>Anyhow, you provide interesting insights as always, Yackbacker.
June 28, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST
by Bumpasses Dawg
Old Spock makes his way to a pile of rock, lays his hands on them and says "Remember..." A moment later, the rocks shift, a a strangely well fed and oddly aged Kirk sits up from his premature grave. "Oh my," he says, echoing the dying words he stole from George Takei for Generations. "Spock! You came back for me!" "No Captain," the old Vulcan replies, "Direct TV did, for a new commercial. That was the only logical way you'd ever play this role again."
June 28, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST
I have been a Star Trek fan my entire life. My Mom and Dad saw the pilot at a Sci-Fi Convention in Cleveland in the 60's, watched the whole run of the show, had the Reruns on when it was in syndication when I was a baby and we watched it every Saturday night, before Space:1999 on WUAB, Channel 43 out of Lorain/Cleveland. I fell in love with Star Wars when it came out in 1977, but it was Star Trek every Saturday that kept me a Science Fiction geek, and kept me on course.<p> In 1979, we saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture in the theater and I loved it, even if it was paced slowly--the visuals and the music, along with seeing my Saturday Night Friends on the big screen was fantastic. It wasn't until 1982 that I saw the real power of those characters, when we all suffered through the death of Spock the day before my ninth birthday. That was the greatest movie summer of my entire life, with lots of amazing films to explore...and Star Trek II was the film we saw over and over that year.<p> Over the years, I watched every Star Trek movie, every tv show, and read many books and comics involving the characters. I still had my love affair for Star Wars, which has since lead me to become an illustrator and designer on many Star Wars products--but my love of Star Trek never felt like cheating...I was just in an open relationship with many franchises.<p> Well, last year was the Star Wars Celebration IV in LA and I got to be one of the artists in attendance. There were about 50 of us, with various levels of experience and exposure and we were all having a great time. The great John Alvin, the movie poster artist who passed away earlier this year was there and enjoying his position as "dean" of the other artists and had a number of small, kind conversations with me throughout the show. Drew Struzan was there, not in the show but mulling about saying hello to everyone.<p> And into this scene walked JJ Abrams and two of his children, Henry and Gracie. It was awesome--he was just a dad bringing his kids to a Star Wars show, trying to pass on his love of Sci-Fi to the next generation. I shook his hand and introduced myself and his son Henry got all excited by the poster I had made for the show, asking if he could put it up on his wall. JJ shot me a look--two Geeks enjoying the next generation at the ages we were when we fell in love with all this stuff--and he asked "How Much?" I told him in no certain terms that his money was no good and gave him the poster and I think a couple prints, and a card so he could see more stuff on the website...and we talked a little more. I told him how excited (and a little nervous) I was about his new Star Trek--about how it was if not my first love it was a very close second. He said he was as excited as I was and a fan to boot--and he would try not to let down another Jeff--as he is Jeffery Jacob...<p> It was neat. He seemed like a cool guy, took my business card and after shaking hands with Henry, My buddy Tommy Lee Edwards took my photo with JJ and vice versa. JJ gave me a handshake, talked to Tommy and kept on moving down the line. Smiles all around. If this is the guy who makes the movie, I have a feeling it will be a good one. A Star Trek movie made by a geek who loves Star Trek and Star Wars, who wants to pass on Geekdom to his kids, and has a bit of talent in the story department. Hopefully he will iron out any problems in the WONDER TWIN's script (I refuse to think that saying that they wrote Transformers is any kind of endorsement) and make a great movie.<p> Is it dangerous to reboot a great franchise with many years under it's belt? Yes. Has there ever been a really successful attempt at this, other than arguably Battlestar Galactica? Not really. Am I won over by the guy for liking my stuff? Possibly...but I am hopeful that he has the chops. And if I am wrong, it is not like the franchise could be any deader than it is now. I will reserve my ire for the project until I see what they have done to the Enterprise and until I hear more about the project--from what Harry says, it sounds like this film will use the Time-Travel story to explore the history of Star Trek to expand and re-launch the franchise. It will be both a sequel and a Re-boot. We won't know if it is good until opening day--but we will be there.<p> Jeff Carlisle
June 28, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST
The chemistry between the characters of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, along with the chemistry between actors is what made the original great. Spock was just cool, and Nimoy played him perfectly. Vulcans kicked ass. So what do they do in Next Generation? Leave Vulcans out completely, and replace him with a geeky android? And what was up with that Riker dude? I like the Abram idea because the original Star Trek had the most interesting storyline and mix of characters. The problem is, can you find a cast to live up to the old one? Good luck.
June 28, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST
The interesting thing about our modern age (and it is exemplified on AICN) is that people confuse their opinion for reality. I do it, almost everyone does it, so- if you liked Cloverfield , fine. But I'll be damned if I let those best movie of the year comments pass. It may have been your best movie of the year. For the rest of us though, it was a steaming pile of poop. Also, I'm really hoping this project rocks, but I'm scared. You see Abrams strikes me as your typical Hollywood- more flash than substance while pretending to have substance guy. Does that make sense. I could be wrong, he seems like a nice guy, he loved his Grandpa, and my favorite scene in Jaws is his too. But still, he's so smarmy.
June 28, 2008, 2:21 a.m. CST
You can take that to the bank.
June 28, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST
let's be honest - BOTH Insurrection AND Nemesis were SHIT! The former NUKED the fucking FRIDGE as far as this particular franchise is concerned - it's about even with The World Is Not Enough as a case study of everything you can do to fuck a franchise up the arse.
June 28, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST
Preach it, brother. The World is not Enough is the worst fucking Bond ever. Yes, even worse than Die Another Day. It's a good comparison to Insurrection.
June 28, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST
No, it isn't. Say what you want about Abrams, but MI3 is a lot better than 1 and 2. <p> This is what I'm talking about, M-O-M. You see "DePalma" and "Woo" and immediately you judge their films according to another standard, even if the movies are shit.
June 28, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST
If there is one thing this talkback proved, it's that people are unsure of this Star Trek movie and JJ has done nothing in his career to really get people excited about it. Maybe it does suck and that's why they pulled out of the con? They want to hide the suckiness of the movie up until it's release date.
June 28, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Kirk and Spock. I'm not geek enough to know if they attended the academy together for any of their years there, but everyone knows Spock was Pike's first officer or science offcer (depending on if you take the Menagerie pilot as canon) then Kirk got the Enterprise, and Spock was assigned to him. Up until then Kirk's best bud was Gary Mitchell, who got killed in the first episode.
June 28, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST
This is so confusing...
June 28, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
Every ones got an opinion just like they' ve got_______ But what the hell are you smoking to claim that The World is not Enough and Die Another Day are the worst Bond Film every? Let me guess you ar are one of those who DROOL over Casino Royale? A Great SPY film but a BOND movie- NO WAY!!! lets break it down shall we... Connery-the Classic-but while Great as Bond, seriously he didnt come across as bright enough to figure things out Lazenby- had the elements, brawn,intellect but the wrong chemistry in the part-maybe if given the chance.... Moore-intellegent, but lacked the muscle needed Dalton-cardboard acting .... Brosnan- well rounded and nearly perfect in the role.... Craig-ok so far, but needs a BOND script, not a spy/action movie script...
June 28, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST
by lucid dreamstate
i am a jj abrams fan. i think alias,lost, and mi3 are all great. i am not a meticulous trek fan but i do love the original series as well as next gen and some of voyager and i am excited to see abrams take on the mythology of the original characters. even if you hate jj abrams (and it seems like 95 percent of aicn tbers do) , can you not see that he is just the type of person to take the reigns of the franchise? honestly, i really liked the first two films but the rest are not that good to me. star trek has been waiting for someone like jj abrams to come along.
June 28, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST
Abrams seem to have put all his chickens in the 'whats in the box' cheap stunts...All those recent projects you list suffer horribly from this typical 'build up with no payoff' droll trickery. That's a lame ass proposition,much less narrative for anyone with a brain...and not particularly suited to Star Trek. Getting any trendy 'dude' in to fit out a franchise might seem to be smart..it can just as easily backfire horribly. I hate his fuckin stinky movies (he hasn't done anything decent in years)..but i sure hope he doesn't shit on the Star Trek memory anymore than that abortive mess Enterprise did... Sure enough, all the hype in the world and palsy walsying with Harry won't save him if he doesn't get this bang on perfect.
June 28, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST
by lucid dreamstate
so abrams will shit on star trek? so thats his secretive plan? he is going through the motions of making this film just to shit on the series? maybe abrams and khan got together and came up with that plan.
June 28, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST
Harry was invited to "hang" with JJ Abrams...does anyone believe he'll give an honest review? We know critics are always bought off...Harry just flat out admits it.
June 28, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST
"Connery-the Classic-but while Great as Bond, seriously he didnt come across as bright enough to figure things out." <p> "what the hell are you smoking to claim that The World is not Enough and Die Another Day are the worst Bond Film every?" <p> You fail at the internets.
June 28, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST
Shatnerverse said so.<br> What are we talking about now?
June 28, 2008, 11 a.m. CST
I definitely gotta get that Blade Runner Final Cut DVD, sounds incredibly awesome. Oh and I did reply to you in the Transformers thread, so check it if you can. Regarding ST:TMP, I don't like it simply because I see it as an overblown rehash of TOS episode "The Changeling", with a little mysticysim thrown in for good measure. The production itself was good, but I was hoping for a more original story. For me, STII:TWOK stands on its own merits, and doesn't need to be compared with ST:TMP for quality purposes. I will take "The Changeling" episode over ST:TMP anyday. I just felt like it was a bit insulting to the fans that they rehashed an old episode. Sure, you could say that about STII, but that was a continuation of a great story from the series, which to me is better than an overblown, not as good re-telling of an old episode, IMHO.
June 28, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST
by Arch Nemesis
Yeah, you're dead-on about the relief factor, darker tone etc. And after a spell AOTC diminished in my eyes, especially after III which seriously was a great Star Wars film, it's what we wanted and by we I mean guys who were 6 in 1977. But part of what's great about II is the memory of being happy with it, the association of getting a better sw film than the previous. And I'm finding now that I'm enjoying it more and more as the years go; that is, there are moments in the film when I groan that will always remain but there are plenty more moments that I think are just cool, moody, different angles that still feel star wars in tone ie cool battle in the rain, ground battle at the end etc. The good outweighs the bad. Ep.I has the same effect on me. I was so stoked for it and those feelings carried weight for the movie, that positive feeling became part of the movie itself just like Star Wars feels magical because that's what it felt like when I was a kid. I can't really put it in words, but maybe the simplest way to say it is like certain songs represent a particular time in your life so do movies, even if they're cheesy you associate certain feelings or hopes or memories with them. There are some truly awful movies out there for sure, but the prequels aren't awful, they're just more flawed than the originals. I think alot of people out there refuse to accept a grey area, it's GOT to be black or white. Or maybe people just enjoy bitching. Back to Star Trek and Harry's preview, I think he's simply representing through an official "review" what we all have going on internally, which is hope from a mere glimpse. It's why we read sites like this, we're grups, we're kids at heart who want to feel giddy like we did in 1977 over things that really aren't important in the grand scheme of things.....and anyway part of the moviegoing experience is the hype and buildup.
June 28, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST
by Le Chevalier Noir
Seriously man, watch the third season finale + the fourth season of Enterprise. That's some great shit, if you just leave out the Lucastastic series finale. I'm a TOS and TNG fan first and foremost, but once I began the ride it even got me forgetting that annoying technology retconning. M'yay!
June 28, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST
by lucid dreamstate
ok man, we get it. you hate jj abrams and everything that he is a part of. you can't stand the idea of him even being a part of hollywood at all. to you, he is a "media whore". it all just completely sucks and you don't mind telling us repeatedly. i respect your opinion man, i really do. what else is there to say? i mean how much jj hate is enough? when i have a negative opinion about a director or a certain talkback, i will post maybe one or two times with my less than positive thoughts and then i am done. i move on because i am not adding anything to the discussion. we get it man, you fucking hate jj.ok, now its your turn to tell me how stupid and ignorant i am for being a fan of alias, mi2,mi3, and the new version of star trek. i dont even deserve to be on earth right?
June 28, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST
by lucid dreamstate
i usually wont defend the things that i think are cool on aicn because it never gets anywhere. people are going to repeatedly post negative shit about the things they hate on this website;it just goes with the territory and i am good with that. i enjoy the tv shows and movies that jj abrams is a part of. he happens to be one of my favorite directors and i will defend him like a motherfucker. i defended abrams so much on the cloverfield talkbacks that some tbers were saying that i WAS jj abrams. hate me if you want to, but i cant wait for star trek. if jj abrams bothers you so fucking much, then move on to a talkback that is more along the lines of your favorite shit. why stay here and keep repeating the same thing? i am laughing as i type this just to let you know. i am not angry , i just think it is so typical to read negative shit on aicn. damn, i hope i win the powerball drawing tonight.
June 28, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST
by lucid dreamstate
yousa verry correctsa. mesa enviousa of ayhours insighta. george lucas invented jj abrams at the skywalker ranch just to make more money. maybe you can help convince me on this one; please post some links to examples of jj abrams hyping himself more than other directors. if jj is a megahack, then who else is in that category? who are his peers? who is not a hack in your opinion? who is worthy of your distinguished approval?
June 28, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST
by Dradis Contact
That's how you recast the icons and make star trek cool again. Get James Cawley in there.
June 28, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST
Casino Royale was a Great Spy film, and i suppose it even gets a pass as a reinvention of BOND, but as far as Bond Film it was missing the elements that had made the Bond films-Bond, it just doent fit with all that has come before and apparently some people liked it, others well, would rather have seen Brosan do another film with Q, MoneyPenny,Femme Fatales, and a villian worthy of the top spy in the world sniff, sniff oh no I -"fail at the internets" my day is ruined
June 28, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST
I was geeking out too, especially at the mention of Captain Pike. Nobody leads a starship like Kirk, but I'm a HUGE fan of THE CAGE (TOS pilot) with the cool, calculating Pike at the helm of the Enterprise. Because he was so laid back, his periodic angry outbursts felt like earthquakes when I first saw it on video back in the day.<p>Pike certainly seems to be the ideal captain to handle the callous youth of Kirk and other academy grads. His presence should round the edges on the Trek 90210 thing that some TBers are concerned about.
June 28, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST
MI1 is virtually unwatchable. Despite this, I actually rewatched it a few months ago. It's absolute shit -- bad acting, convoluted and stupid plot, and one of the most ridiculous finales of the 1990s.
June 28, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST
A director in Hollywood has two jobs: make films and finance films. I'm not a huge Abrams fan and I feel he's hit and miss, but I will say that his self-hype serves a purpose. Directors have to market themselves in order to get producers to stand up and pay attention. Hitchcock did the same thing back in the day. He was a great salesman as well as a great director. I'm also sure that Spielberg had more than a little to do with marketing himself as the wunderkind filmmaker of pubescent awe. By all means attack Abram's work, but realize that all of this self-hype is calculated to get films made. Which he's been pretty good at so far.
June 28, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST
You seem to be assuming that I don't like Brosnan. I think he was a GREAT Bond. The World is Not Enough had an abysmal script, lame action, weak sauce villains and the WORST Bond girl ever -- nuclear physicist Dr. Christmas Jones, played by... Denise Richards?!?! <p> Maybe you should check and see what's in your own bong before you start harshing our mellows with that shit.
June 28, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST
"Star Trek IV" was great. Best part: where Scotty tries to talk to the computer and the engineer hands him the mouse, so he talks into the mouse. Sure, it had a light-touch, but after they killed Spock and Kirk's son in the two movies preceding it, it was a welcome change of pace. Think of it as the satyr play after the cycle of the first three films.
June 28, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST
tanya roberts in a view to a kill
June 28, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST
You must be insane or something.
June 28, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST
There's a great probability that you will be one hundred percent correct and it will be 90210 IN SPACE. Still, there's a slim chance that it will not be if Pike is the same captain he was in THE CAGE, where he did not send his crew on missions while he sat on the bridge, but was in the very thick of things, right in the mix.<p>If he is not out leading things from the center of the fray, but is on the bridge barking orders and directives, then the character won't really be Captain Pike.
June 28, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST
I suppose you'll blame your awful sense of humor on language difficulties. Seriously, I feel embarrassed for all other Portuguese talkbackers who come in here and see your "jokes".
June 28, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST
Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck, Please don't suck!
June 28, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST
by Deak the Geek
i have faith that they will make a good solid entertaining movie...that's what us trekkers want.
June 28, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST
I suppose I will re-visit ST:TMP one of these days, a buddy of mine says that the version with added footage makes it a better film, and being a Trek fan, I should give it another shot. I guess I was so hyped to see Trek on the big screen that I was dissapointed to see a rehash of an old episode, but I will give it a second chance.
June 28, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST
Seeing as the last few Trek movies have been mediocre at best, I want greatness put back into Star Trek, not just good or solid.
June 28, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST
and not Insurrection, one of the worst Trek films. I would even rate Nemesis higher than that one.
June 28, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST
away from Bond, back to Trek.... I've got to say that this relaunch gives me hope for the future of Star Trek, the clasiic caast is too old to continue,the TNG group dont appear willing, nor to people seem too interested in Voyager or DS9 on the big screen and so ..... Perosnally I think they missed the boat by not using Sulu and the Excelsior crew for an on going movie /tv series.......
June 28, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST
I get your meaning, I have already put ST:TMP in my Netflix queue, so I will be giving it the second chance it seems to deserve. I do also understand your point about taking an idea to it's full potential, because I suppose in a way that's what they sorta did with STII:TWOK, expanded on a great story idea.
June 28, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
Manthong on Spock=eeewwwww!!! I'd rather the quality of the movie be deserving of my attention. I want Star Trek, not Star Sex.
June 28, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST
I am only saying that STII was an expansion because I am sure Roddenberry could have done more with the character and the storyline had he been able to in TOS. But you are correct in saying that it is a direct continuation of a OS episode, no arguments there, and I guess you could call it a reboot as well.
June 28, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST
by Mavra Chang
They could REALLY stretch for attracting new viewers by having Uhura thong and Spock boobies. Wait....that would be like Star Drek which was already done by Peter Ferrara & Bobby Pickett.
June 28, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST
I love the fact that the complaint people have is that it features young actors.....Personlly I dont want to see Shatner and crew on screen again - the got there send off already ,let it go people its time to move on....if Star Trek is going to continue on screen it NEEDS new blood...
June 28, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST
wasnt Kirk orginally more of an intergalactic boy toy himself? he duked it out when he needed to, but more often then not his was to get himself a piece....I got no issue with the sexing up of trek...Hell I'd love to see them take the TOS episodes and reshoot them using todays standards and prctices ALONG with the new SFX that they have been using ....
June 28, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST
wasnt Kirk orginally more of an intergalactic boy toy himself? he duked it out when he needed to, but more often then not he was out to get himself a piece....I got no issue with the sexing up of trek...Hell I'd love to see them take the TOS episodes and reshoot them using todays standards and prctices ALONG with the new SFX that they have been using ....
June 28, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST
but I dont think there has been ANYTHING that couldnt be re done after time and be watchable or as good as or even better than the original....
June 28, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST
the writers strike COULD have been a God send we got 79 original star trek scripts, lets reshoot the series.....
June 28, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST
it was the stories that grabbed you, and the chemisty of the characters so the casting would be key, but you cant tell me that there are not actors out there that could do it and dare i say do it better. Reshooting, using the old scripts, with updated SPX, costumes and todays tech would expose the stories to a new generation who dont understand the adoration, people a have for the original...
June 28, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST
with this and the other things you mentioned....you are going in without an open mind, already sure you wont like it...
June 28, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST
Interesting observation, it does feel like we're in nostalgia mode most of the time. A couple of films that seemed to hint at the current zeitgeist are "Three Kings" and "Fight Club", but that's almost ten years ago! Maybe "Wall-E" for a recent film?
June 28, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST
One: No Gary Mitchell. This is a gaping, yawning , rectum of a plot hole that JJ has to fill. Mitchell was Kirk's XO on the Ent until he died in WNMHGB. Since there's no sign of this formative character (played in TOS by 2001's Gary Lockwood), methinks JJ is doing the Jar Jar thing and tossing out what he doesn't like. Now there -are- rumors that Stewart and Shatner are being hidden away to pop up as cameo's in the film, but I think they'd be listed as cast members by now were that true. So, regrettably, the Ambercrombie, ghey Trek looks somewhat likely. Women liked Kirk because he was a man's Man. If Pine turns him into a candy ass, his career will never recover. The franchise will die with him, too.
June 28, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST
I really don't know about all this, Harry. Your take on how this is better than Trek we've gotten up to now seems kind of like seeing what you want to see to me, and you seem ready to see Trek in this light at this time. I don't disagree about a lot of Trek's recent failings--though I think Enterprise is underrated and DS9 was better than Babylon 5 (yet I loved Babylon 5 too)--but you kind of give even older Trek movies a hard time when the best of it really was Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country. Cheap? I don't think it looked as cheap as you seem to, but I can only hope that others are as "amazed" by what JJ does as you are. I'm not convinced us long-time fans, those of us who watched all the shows and know all the tricks, are going to be as blown away by it though. Give me a Trek fan who feels the only bad Trek was Voyager, and all Next Gen movies outside of First Contact and I'll be more intrigued.
June 28, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST
...is anyone really excited about a Star Trek prequel? Star Trek had its time. Now it's our time. Up there it's their time. Down here, down here, it's our time. That all changes once you go up Troy's bucket.
June 28, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST
Back in the late 70's, I managed to see Star Wars, and myriad other big movies of the day, but I'm not certain if I saw TMP in the theater. Either way, I'm sure I saw the film in the early cable or HBO years, and certainly ST:II, and the rest in the theater. ST:TMP was a good film in my opinion. Sure there's some Shat-ham moments, but the relationship between the three key actors is there. The supporting actors were also good. ANd, 7th Heaven dad, and the late Persis Khambata(?) were great supporting actors. May have been a little slow in spots, but the effects, and the actors made it truly great. ST:TWOK-Friggin' awesome! There were some over-the-top Shatner and Montalban moments, but that's what made it great. And, I'll put most of those ship model effects up against the too cgi'd look of the Enterprise-U(gly)in the later next gen films any day of the week. Wrath of Khan was practically flawless. ST III:TSFS-This film gets picked on as much as Temple of Doom, but truth be known, I loved it. Not as good as Wrath, and I think I would place it just above TMP, or just under. Either way, I thought it was a solid follow-up to TWOK. ST IV:TVH-I remember mostly liking this one back in the day, but not so much now. Character interactions were still good, and some of the humor was okay. Nowadays, I'm put off by some of the cheesy humor, and the liberal Star Trek writers' need to push some "save the whales" story on us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not about hunting a species to extinction, because to do so would be illogical. hehe But, this is the same sort of crap I'd expect from today's Hollyweird bunch(Iraqi ambassador Sean Penn, Hugo Chavez' friend Danny Glover, or marine biologist Ted Danson,etc.) IV is better than V, but doesn't age well. ST V:TFF-A craptastic movie, with only a few good points. Key character interactions, Sybok was okay-IF he hadn't been Spock's half-brother, and De Kelley's heart-felt moment with his dying father. Otherwise, pretty much shit. ST VI:TUC-Used to like the film a lot. How could you not? It was a vast improvement over V. That said, I was always(and continue to be) put off at how they turned Uhura, and Chekov into a joke. Chekov used to be a joke in TOS, but they made him respectable in ST II. Either way, the film was a mix of good, bad, and mediocre. I'd have to rank them as follows. ST II, ST III, or ST:TMP, then ST:VI, IV, and V. Next Gen films(all of which were never quite as good as the best series eps) ST:FC, ST:Nem, ST:Gen, and ST:Insur. I could drone on and on about the faults of each of the Next Gen films, but I've done enough of that. One last thing, loved ST:TOS despite a cheesier third season. ST:TNG and DS9 are kind of back to back for me. 1st and 2nd seasons of those programs were not as good as the later seasons, but largely delivered the goods. Sometimes, I prefer DS9 actually. Voyager-some good moments(hologram Doc), some shit, and a lot of mediocre. In the end my least favorite, I think. Enterprise-seems like the 1st two seasons were just kind of "meh". Season 3 with the Xindi arc. Pretty good. And, season 4 had a lot of cool shit including the two-part mirror universe eps, among others. There was some merit in that show during the last two years. Oh well. I hope the new movie is good, but we know how things went with the SW prequels, and the Jones film.
June 29, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST
I like them all for what they were even the tng ones except the last two. <p>Sure I have favorites and I recognize some could of been better planned out but in regards to the old series, if you watch them all together for the most part it's just one wonderful flowing saga to me with all its parts.</p> <p>Maybe it's because they just made so many or maybe I feel that way in regards to the old series movies because I haven't watched them in over 10 years and was a kid then but I think they are all special with memorable lines and moments.</p> <p>I would rather not say I like one at the expense of the other. Like someone else said. I also wouldn't say I like the old series in the expense of tng or Spock over Data. Haha. That's silly. I know what are my favorites but I still love them both but for different reasons.</p>
June 29, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST
But I know what it is, thanks to all the parodies. Will I still like this J.J. Abrams business, without the proper background? I thought Cloverfield was fun but stupid. Star Wars franchise was half good.
June 29, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST
But you know what? This is NEW TREK and at the moment its the ONLY Trek we are getting, so for my money thats good enough, its better than nothing at all....
June 29, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
I want GREAT Star Trek, not mediocre, not good, not good but flawed, I will accept nothing less than GREAT Star Trek, seeing as there has not been great ST for quite some time. They are recasting iconic characters, and if they are not dead on in their interpretation of these characters, it will not be great. I must walk away from this movie with no doubt that those were the classic characters I know and love. Anything less is unacceptable.
June 29, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST
continue to beat the dead bloated body of Gene Roddenberry in the hopes that some change will fall out. I haven't really enjoyed Star Trek since Deep Space Nine and unless this film is quality I'm not too interested. I don't have much of an opinion of JJ one way or another.
June 29, 2008, 11 a.m. CST
what, do you really want to see somebody doing an inpersonation of Shatner and crew? Come on! Sure it will be hard not to compare this to the orginal, thats why this film is going to be hard for people to swallow, but to be complaining BEFORE you've seen a shot,is insane..What, would rather seen Shatner et all on screen again.... seriously the only 3 of the cast that might possibly work would be Sulu,Chekov and Spock..Sulu as Captain, Spock as an ambassador somewhere, Checkov maybe as crew ?? Kirk is DEAD, despite Shatners wish fullfullment novels...move on all ready
June 29, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST
June 29, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST
bingo...and if it fails, well 2 or 3 yrs later they'll try again
June 29, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST
wrong cut and paste....
June 29, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST
bingo...and if it fails, well 2 or 3 yrs later they'll try again Fixed post
June 29, 2008, noon CST
This movie is almost a full year away, what I want to know is where are Harry's and Moriarty's reviews of Wall E? Saw it this weekend and wanted to compare notes?
June 29, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST
it comes from the fact that there hasn't been a decent Trek series in almost a decade. Even though Enterprise was a step up from Voyager it still felt as if they were treading water. With all of the cynical nostalgia films being made I can't help but feel that a return to the old characters is the result of another producer looking for an old franchise to raise from the dead. Besides, only half of the Trek movies were any good. I would be more interested in a series that does something new within the Trek universe. <p> I hope I'm wrong. I love Lost, disliked Cloverfield, and never saw Alias or MI3. Maybe he really understands the series and will bring back some of the fun, excitement and, if we're really lucky, some thoughtful science fiction. So long as the film gets good reviews I'll be in the theater deciding for myself on the end product.
June 29, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST
I want to see Star Trek, its been too long since I last it... and now its coming...I'll withhold my judgement, but I am happy something is coming....this HAS to be better then the last 2 films
June 29, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST
I want to see Star Trek, its been too long since I last saw it... and now its coming...I'll withhold my judgement, but I am happy something is coming....this HAS to be better then the last 2 films
June 29, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST
If you dont get 90210 in space i suppose your not going to be happy?
June 29, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST
when you think about it, this is probably the best option for bring Trek back...Fans have been disappointed in the last few films with the Next Generation cast, the original cast are to old to continue, Voyager, DS9 and even Enterprise where only moderately successful and entire new group of characters wouldn't draw the publics interest so this was about the only viable option...Now if only the Writing can live up to the source material and give us some interesting SCIFI with some substance behind it.... Now, how would you have tried to bring back Trek?
June 29, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST
I love how that now that he is dead Ledger is suddenly "the Greatest actor of his Generation"..... Hopefully his performance in The Dark Knight will be as good as we've heard, but then again we could be getting A Knights Tale
June 29, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST
by Grand Moff Toht
Check out Box Office Mojo. Dollar-wise, Star Trek The Motion Picture is the third biggest money-maker of the series at 82 mil, behind ST4's 109 mil and First Contact's 92 mil. Adjust it for inflation (the website shows you how) and it made 225 mil in today's dollars. Biggest gross of the series. Had the biggest budget, made the most money. The special effects hold up to this day, even if the story lacked a little excitement. Anyone think this new one will do 225 million?
June 29, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST
that Shatners not involved? I say Thank God , have you read his ideas on trek- doid you see ST5? those Novels of his? his View of Kirk....No thank you!!! I lived thru his acting and that was enough
June 29, 2008, 1 p.m. CST
look to his other work....yes he was becoming a better actor, and given time maybe....but to canonize him after his death is a bit much
June 29, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST
you havent yet told me how you would have relaunched Trek...considering you think this is a Fail....
the Patriot? a Knights Tale? Lords of Dogtown? Roar? Other than Brokeback and Monsters Ball where was the great acting?
June 29, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST
you bring the cast in do a table read....rehearse....if they are not giving you what you want, you hand them a DVD and tell them to watch it...if you bring in the original actors to coach them, you'll just make them feel that they need to ape the performaces
June 29, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST
I am glad to hear that he is NOT a part of it(Depeanding on which "leak" you beleave)
June 29, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST
now we know what kind of Fanboy you are...Explains a lot....
June 29, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST
I'm more inclined to think Roddenberry created Trek to make money and score (more) tail; he was canny enough to line up a roster of topnotch writers for the TOS first season, though. The best episode of Star Trek imo is still Forbidden Planet. Seems like most of the coolest "science fiction-y" visuals & gizmo stuff I've seen the past decade or more shows up in action films like Mr & Mrs Smith ETC. If only Superman Returns had taken a cue from the same brainstorm that dropped some of the sequences shown in the Hancock trailer, for example (plot doodoo notwithstanding). Plotwise the template(s) for what the archetypal eps of what ALL Trek is about (for me) were The Menagerie & Journey to Babel. There were some other fair-to-good eps throughout the various franchise incarnations but for the most part you could put the rest of it in the most recent Enterprise refit and blow it up (yet again) and who would really miss it? Abrams can't do any worse, imo, 'cause most of it ain't Trek anyway, despite what the labels say. In my opinion, anyway.
^^ "And you believe wrong, man. Rodenberry truly believed...etc"...No, sorry, met him & some of the writers (& actors) who came to sour on him. And it wasn't Gene who "poured" most of that stuff into ST, it was GL Coon, Fontana, et al. I don't like Eisner either but he sussed out GRod fast enough himself; guess it takes one to know one sometimes. ;)
June 29, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST
A Director that gets all this hype but has zero style. Bland. Bland. Bland. Directs in the equivalent of a microwave dinner versus a 4 star entree. Nothing special about what he does despite how much he tries.
June 29, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST
Heard that many times that Gene would take credit for almost everything and never respected his writing staff or the actors on the series.
June 29, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST
Particularly the helicopter chase and bridge scene are some of best directed action scenes that you will see in modern action cinema.
lol it doesn't really matter M-O-M, Roddenberry's bubble was pricked long before my lil ol' post here today, from the theme song lyric to the IDIC trinket written into one $cript...and beyond. Btw meeting him was no great feat back in the mid 70s, lotsa people did; and not all came away with stars still in their eyes. More power to Abrams if he gets things even somewhat back on course. At this point, though, to me ST is mostly a "what might've been" proposition and I'd just be grateful to see any well-done SF come down the Jeffries Tubes again, if that's still possible. I'm keeping my hailing frequencies open but all in all expectations are rather low. Too many replicated scripts, too much serial cheating on the Kobayashi Maru.
June 29, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
I am a DIEHARD TNG trekkie. I think everything since TNG is pretty much shit and I never got into the original. I'm looking forward to catching up on the history of the series, and then delving into the original series itself!
June 29, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST
INSURRECTION!?!?!?!! Oh and my heart sank even further when you mentioned the OLD uniforms. :( BOO FREAKIN HOO! Borings-ville.
June 29, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST
INSURRECTION!?!?!?!! Oh and my heart sank even further when you mentioned the OLD uniforms. :( BOO FREAKIN HOO! Borings-ville.
June 29, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST
I didn't watch Enterprise during it's prime time run, I downloaded the entire series a few months back and I have to say, Enterprise was some of the best Trek ever. It sucks that they only went 4 seasons but I think alot of it's failure had to do with the poor promotion and constant time slot shuffling. I tried to get into it when it first came on but they kept moving it around and I think ultimately, they put it up against another show that I really liked so that was that. Some of the highlights were Scott Bakula as Captain Archer, Jolene Blalock as T'Pol, the hottest Vulcan I've ever laid eyes on and she constantly wore skin tight uniforms, had sexy time with Trip, Sato and a few other male and female crew members and alien guest stars and spent a lot of time in the reaclimation chamber rubbing lotion all over her near naked body, and Trip, the ship's engineer, who was probably my favorite character after T'Pol. Some of the best episodes covered the reason why the Klingon's in the original series looked different than the Klingons in TNG, The formation of the Federation, The first appearance of Dr. Soong and his work with the metahumans (KHAAAANNNN!!!!), the first uses of the phasers, the transporter and the universal translator. But my all time favorite episode was In a Miror Darkly, a two parter set in the Mirror Universe that starts off with the scene from First Contact (with James Cromwell reprising his role as Zefram Cochran) where the Vulcans land and walk down the ramp only to find hostile earthlings that proceed to waste the crew with shotguns and jack their spaceship and reverse engineer the technology to get the jump on the Vulcans and make them their bitches then Captain Archer finds a rift in time and space and the enterprise crew get their hands on a classic, 1970's style starship and use it to overthrow the federation. Awesome show but the series finale pretty much blew. Completely Underrated Series!
June 29, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST
I do agree that the bridge scene in MI:3 was extremely well directed, but the helicopter scene was poorly done. It was funny because three different friends from film school saw it over the same weekend. We each were in awe of how poorly edited that scene was. Granted we were only film students.
June 29, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST
by The Grug
That no one will let these franchises die. The studios can still make a buck off them so they keep throwing content together, but it seems as if every franchises anyone has ever loved is being set up to leave a foul taste in fans' mouths as they realise that very little can touch the greatness of the films/shows that originally made them fans.
June 29, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST
Sucked Ass. There was one excellent Voyager episode where they recreated the scene in Star Trek: Undiscovered Country with Sulu on the Excelsior with all of the original actors. Awesome episode! SHIELDS!!!
June 30, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST
And not ashamed at all of his geekitude.
June 30, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
June 30, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST
I'd be curious to hear what are some of your personal favorite films and why you feel they are "original" considering you don't think there is an ounce of originality or uniqueness coming out of moviedom today... ?
June 30, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST
I have never understood that crap where re-casting the parts for an original Star Trek is tantamount to baby raping. Frankly, it was/is far more pathetic to watch the movies and see Shatner trying to look fit and trim in his girdle and hairpiece or Nimoy, the supposedly slower aging half-Vulcan all long in the tooth and stoic under layers of sheetrock make up. I am into Star Trek big time, but at this point could give a damn if the movie sucks or not, as the film series can charitably be described as uneven at best. If this blows, I'll just skip it and move on. I just applaud those responsible for finally putting new faces on the roles. It seems to do okay by Dr. Who. At the end of the day geeks are geeks: where else we gonna go?
June 30, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST
I'd settle for Good as there hasnt been a good TREK for years,but then we'll still get folks like The Rappin Duke Whining thats its not my Kirk, I miss Shatner and his crapping acting.....While the rest of the population moves on and focuses on the good parts of the film and the elements that worked.....
June 30, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST
Hey, Man. Thanks for the comment! I'd love to get some Star Trek work. I mean, obviously--my AICN screenname is Bones...<p> I have been subtly talking back on the site for almost nine to ten years now. I am glad you like the work...<p> Drop me a line: firstname.lastname@example.org
June 30, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST
preacherhunter Trek 11 spoiler What?? where did you come up with this. has anyone actually paid attention to this post early on
June 30, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST
Spot-on critique of ST:TMP. Good job.
June 30, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST
Everyone has their opinion for what makes good Star Trek--and they're all right. That is the humorous and great thing about this site. The more angry and animated the talk-backs get, the more passion you feel for what everyone is discussing. I don't think that there is anything wrong with liking any of the films, from The Motion Picture to Nemesis. For Me, the first four Star Trek films are the best.<p> The Motion Picture was the most classic Science Fiction story of the Bunch. It is a beautiful film...and even if the story evokes a lot of older Original episodes, it is a welcome return to characters you love. Each Character starts out in a strange and different place than they were in the old show--but by the end of the adventure, they are back together and back to themselves--One of the best film-going experiences of my young life...and I honestly think the Director's cut is the best version of the story (although my older brother prefers the original cut--he is a Trek Purist).<p> Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock and The Voyage Home form the Spock Trilogy and felt the most like the old TV show. The Final Frontier is a bad movie with some goo things in it. The scene where they are confronting their past is good...until Shatner's "I need my pain" speech. This movie is where Shatner stopped acting and has only parodied himself since.<p> Undiscovered Country is a Murder Mystery wrapped in Star Trek clothing...that really only needed a louder Continuity Advisor to make it better. Shatner making fun of himself is great. The Purple blood still annoys the crap out of me.<p> The films of the Next Generation crew have both good points and bad--My main criticisms are that they only wrote them like 2-part TV episodes with bigger budgets and that these films were when they started shafting the continuity of the Novels. The Kirk films built upon the anticipation that they were the only Star Trek in town from 1979 until 1987 and either were direct sequels or filled in the time gap. If Picard and company had tried to tell a trilogy of connected stories, or upped the scale of the conflict with each film, rather than had it get progressively smaller, it might have been more successful.<p> Generations was more energetic when it focused on Kirk, who they unfortunately killed off. Picard was so sullen due to the death of his brother and nephew that it made Kirk even more interesting. But the movie did show that the TNG series Enterprise looks great if you light it right, including the Ramada Inn sets. First Contact is the first film with Picard and Co standing on their own two feet--and for the most part tells an engaging story--it is Aliens as told the Star Trek way. But there are problems--writers cannot seem to understand what a hive mind is, so they have a Queen, when a hive consciousness should work through any drone body--and this film is the first time the films try to bridge the gap from our world to Star Trek, and they completely write over the top of the Future History established (and maintained pretty well) in the novels. You have to remember that the Novels were where Paramount was fleshing out the universe for a long time--and that in the eighties each new novel was treated as canon and heralded with fanfare. This is the movie that killed that...and led to serious ret-conning like Enterprise.<p> Insurrection and Nemesis are just badly written TNG 2-parters on the big screen. Data should not have been such a big part of the stories...but Brent Spiner is TNG's Shatner. Ego MUST be served.<p> The various series were the meat of Star Trek--with the best and most challenging stories. Each Star Trek show is unique of each other and had it's own pros and cons, strong seasons and weak ones. For my money, outside of the Original Series, Deep Space Nine was the best Star Trek show. The cast, the writing, the discussions of faith, politics, science and relationships and the arcs of the characters are all strong. Sure, it started out as a Babylon 5 clone...but it quickly became it's own entity and many of my favorite stories set in the old Alpha Quadrant are right there. And Avery Brooks is the man. The man called Hawk.<p> So, now what will this new Trek be? The final nail in the coffin? The new life that the series so desperately needs? Or something totally new? At worst, it will be The Phantom Menace...which is pretty bad. At best, it will be a lighter Battlestar Galactica (or better Enterprise)--the few plot points that have been revealed show that the very nature of the time travel story means that this will completely change the continuity--the question will be how much and for how long? Does Abrams want to use this cast to go off and tell all new stories or is it really just a way to bring Shatner to the 24th Century? Then they could make movies with all the casts of the different shows rather than have it be one crew at a time. Who knows? If you are a fan, be excited. Star Trek is coming back. Wait and see if it is good or bad. If it sucks--we have the old shows and can watch them ad nauseam...but what if it is somehow really good? I for one don't want to miss it.
June 30, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST
Somebody else's previous post...There was one excellent Voyager episode where they recreated the scene in Star Trek: Undiscovered Country with Sulu on the Excelsior with all of the original actors. Awesome episode! SHIELDS!!! Really?? The best of Voyager? Admittedly, the did a fine job of recreating the Sulu Excelsior stuff, but that was about it. For starters, it was the gajillionth time a new ST crew met old crew. And, even though Janeway was just along for Tuvok's mind-meld watching his past unfold, somehow(and I don't recall how they explained it)Sulu saw the ghostly-mind meld visages of Janeway and Tuvok actually standing on his bridge. I love G. Takei, the Sulu Excelsior, etc. but for the love of God, when he asked, "What are you doing on my bridge?" or something like that, I just buried my head in my hands, realizing that once again too many TOS characters were meeting new crew members. Uugghh. Kind of like time travel getting over-used. I do forgive Enterprise for the Xindi WWII time travel ep's in the late third season/early fourth season. Anytime you've got aliens, Nazis, and the German Luftwaffe dog-fighting with a Federation shuttle...I'm there.
June 30, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST
Sulu never met Janeway--it was all in Tuvok's mind. Janeway and Tuvock were in his memories.
June 30, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST
On Voyager they had that episode and on DS9, they had the "Forrest Gump" episode when the DS9 crew were in the background of the Trouble with Tribbles...along with that and the TNG crew meeting Zephram Cochrane in First Contact, it was a franchise-wide blitz for the 30th Anniversary. There was even a big 2-hour special on UPN celebrating 30 years of Star Trek.
June 30, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST
Great writeup by the way. I haven't read the script. Is film aiming to be more action oriented? Are we going to see a war? What is this film about? Because honestly the reason I lost interest in Trek over the years has been the slow dissolution of the series into war and conflict which is not really what the original series or the early seasons of TNG were about. They're EXPLORERS. If this turns out to be one big battle wit hthe Romulans than this movie has failed me.
June 30, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST
I don't much like Harry's attitude towards Star Trek! If you can't appreciate what Star Trek has contributed to the world of science fiction than you're frakin NUTS!!! Voyager and Enterprise are the best out of all the series! My personal favorites anyway I wouldn't blame you if your favs were DS9 TNG or TOS It's all gold!!!
June 30, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST
June 30, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST
Pardon me if this repeats others, but this is a long TB. <br> <br>"The World is Not Enough": Pretty silly, Denise Richards was awful, they created her character solely so her name could be used in the last-line gag. <br> <br> "ST:TMP": Kinda flat, too tech oriented, but very nice to look at. If they'd been allowed to pump up the human story a bit more it could have been great rather than okay. The director's cut is a solid improvement. <br> <br> "Insurrection": Rather flat, given the scale of the menace. "Nemesis": Any story that features Data in a leading role risks nuking the fridge (What the fuck does that mean? I haven't seen Indy yet.)IMO, there are basically two great Trek movies, "Khan" and "First Contact" and a couple of other solid movies, "Voyage Home" and "Undiscovered Country." The others range from okay to embarrassing. <br> <br> Abrams: He's into gimmicks. I stopped watching "Alias" because it got more and more gimmicky. Likewise, "Lost." "Cloverfield" is nothing but a gimmick. These are all regardless of the quality of acting, writing, etc. I just don't care much for gimmicks. I truly hope "Star Trek" doesn't become any more gimmicky than we've already been led to believe. <br> <br> Insult-based Arguments regarding the quality of a work or its creator: Don't buy into it. Refuse to play that game. Even if you are discussing PWS Anderson or Dr. Uwe Boll. But that's just me.
June 30, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST
What you see as the 5th symphony, most of us see as a fun series of sf movies based on a beloved TV show of our youth. That's the way it is. I don't want Trek lightened up into modern puffiness, but that's how they make the money. The original series and movies are always there. It's like Alan Moore said, "People say to me, 'They really destroyed your comic' and I say, 'No, it's right up there on the shelf.'"
June 30, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST
see a post like that makes sense, much better than the Trolling you do with your "manthong" comments....people might even think you have a valid point, rather just being a pissed off Fanboy who is unhappy that somebody new is palying in "his" sandbox
June 30, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST
Me?? I am not too concerned over the cast or the Director, I am more concerned over the Writing, as to me that is much more important....I just hope we will see a level of Depth in the story telling, and with the emphasis Paramount has on bring Trek back, and putting the $$$ into it I have hope that they'll strive to embrace the old fans (the dwindling few that are left) at the same time working to bring new ones into the fold...Sure this not you fathers StarTrek, but its cut form the same cloth (at least I hope so)
June 30, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST
And it would certainly be more productive it you kept to the serious points instead of the name calling as THAT undercuts your views......Chicken Little ring a bell? I found some of your points, very perceptive and while i disagree with you on Shatners involvement, you did manage along the way to make a quite Logical (couldn't resist) point
June 30, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST
Your movie demographic is adolescent MALES as they tend to drive repeat business...
June 30, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST
No i dont doubt that there is a level of concern over the original fan base., but when the arguement is manthong or 90210,why would they take it seriously???? They'll say yea they are partialy correct, the movie HAS a young cast, its going to have a youthful perspective- its about new Star Fleet graduates eager to get out and see the universe, to make a mark, its how they BECOME the crew of the most celibrated ship in StarFleet...its not about battle tested officers or past retirement aged crew who cant give up the limelight.....
June 30, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST
you dont come across as concerned, you come across as a Homoerotic obssesed Fanboy, without having anything to back up your viewpoint....
June 30, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST
I was hoping for a more intelligent conversation but....Too much to hope for here i suppose...
June 30, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST
everyone could take a deep breath and say, "Gosh, I hope this movie is good." Then return to the squabbling more quietly. But that's just me. The medications keep my temper down these days.
June 30, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST
While still trying to figure out how in the heck to format my posts into paragraphs, lol--- 1] What elements of ST:TMP do some of you feel it shares with 2001? (Bonus question: Who told V'ger the o, y, and a in its name were blacked out?)...What special type of 'awe' does a great SF film presumably provide that a film like Lawrence of Arabia, say, doesn't? Or is there a difference? 2] What are the thematic elements of Blade Runner that some of you seem to feel lifts it into the 'greatness' category? Regardless, would you agree it's a flawed film in many ways (regardless of cut/version)? 3] A lot of posters seem to believe there is much divergence in what makes 'good' ST; is there then more consensus of agreement as to what constitutes bad Trek? Lastly, fwiw, while I've been disappointed by much of 'Trek' over the years I did want to mention that I've never gone to a ST film or watched any of the new series hoping they would be bad.
June 30, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST
by I am the Terminator
June 30, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST
If it was supposed to be a western in space, why does it so much more closely resemble a navy in Space? Or is a movie like Master and Commander considered a nautical Western? I'm glad Joss Whedon was born so he could realize Roddenberry's vision for a TV show.
July 1, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST
..on you tube http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G9f4TJ8XNRs
July 1, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST
Alive and well right into the 23rd century and beyond.
July 1, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST
JJ is a like a kid in a candy store............a pain in the ass, its a shame someone doesnt reboot his continuity and stop him cursing our eyes with all the shit he has produced in the last decade
July 1, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST
I hope there are LOTS and LOTS of TRIBBLES!
July 1, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST
Christmas is the busiest time of year for me and I always hate when they release all the better movies then. I never get to see them until DVD and I often forget or lose interest by then. I mean, seriously, who's brilliant idea was it to make that a big release time? But then, who knows how this movie will turn out. Releasing it in May or not, it might be best to wait for DVD anyway.
July 1, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST
<p>Enterprise was good in it's last season, cause the producers said fuck it, do whatever you want, you're canceled anyway. Still, I always thought Archer was by far the worst, most pathetic captain. Even worse than Janeway and her Elizabethian holodeck fantasies. Malcolm was the only sensible one on the show. I liked Trip but I always confused him with Tom Paris in my mind. I would have mutinied Archer's ass for my own protection. And I loved mirror universe Hoshi.</p> <p>But I can't really say what the best show was. I'd put the original, TNG and DS9 at a tie for different reasons. DS9 had the best arc and some really good, darker characters like Garak and Quark. It also had the best space battles by far, with every race attacking every other, ala Babylon 5. TNG, in it's prime, had some of the best stories. Data, Picard and Worf were great characters with great episodes. Geordi was worse than Archer, as characters go however. But the original show was so dramatic. I loved the bold colors and the closeups so much that I'd say it has the most rewatchability. It was really all in how they filmed it. Voyager only had 7 of 9's amazing ass to get us through, otherwise it was mostly a bad joke. They squandered the holographic doctor. They could have done a lot of cool things with him, but it just went nowhere.</p> <p>As for movies, I'm one of the few that liked (not loved) Insurrection because it felt most like an episode of the show and that's all I really wanted, were more episodes. Nemesis was the worst piece of Star Trek crap to ever fall out of the sky and land on my shoulder. The lamest episodes of Voyager rocked that shit. I waited so long for a movie with Romulans in it and they even fucked that up. The only good thing about Nemesis was they finally turned off Data's emotion chip. Obviously movies 2 and 4 were the best of the franchise. First Contact was good, but felt a little forced (enough with the borg already!).</p> <p>As captains go, Picard was the best and I'd most want to serve under him. Sisco would kick all their asses in a fight (yes Kirk included). Kirk was the most independent and knew how to treat women. Archer would be the best at massaging Janeway's feet at the end of the night. He could probably use some lessons in manliness from Wesley Crusher though (gotta start somewhere).</p>
July 1, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST
literally the worst movie ever made.
July 2, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST
Hopefully, the new movie will come out and TOTALLY refresh, recreate and reinvent StarTrek.... Leaving the rabid Fanboys crying with their Tribbles over how their precious StarTrek as been ruined, meanwhile the rest of the world Discovers StarTrek.....Parmount having another hit on there hands quickly greenlights another seguel and begins to gear up the TV arm once again....
July 2, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST
by Kid Z
...I just can't take anything Trek seriously anymore. Of course I mean "seriously" as in the kind of suspension of disbelief one needs to enjoy any work of fiction, especially science fiction. The whole guiding mindset of all the series are stuck in the era from the late 60's to the early 90's. That whole space age/New Age/PC vibe just doesn't have any weight in today's world. Also the whole "all aliens look just like humans but with globs of foam latex on their heads" deal is just laughable anymore. Yeah, I know Trek canon states that an early race in our galaxy seeded skads of other planets with magical humanoid-DNA fertilizer, or whatever. But let's face it, that was just an excuse for the shoddy, underfunded FX work on aliens characters... it's just cheaper to have all aliens look like humans, after all. I think what I'm trying to say is that Trek is just plain played out, much like franchises from earlier eras like Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Lost In Space, etc. Just let it sit and a few decades from now, we'll all be old geezer enjoying all the nostalgic campiness of Trek on TV Land or TCM.
July 3, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST
by One Nation Under Zod
DS9 was better than Babylon 5. I agree that Voyager sucked. As did ENTERPRISE and Nemesis, but Insurrection also sucked. First Contact is great stuff.
July 4, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
Do you use him/her like Kramer's intern in that episode of Sienfeld?
July 5, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST
But my friend Francis is going to pee his pants like a little girl when this comes out.
July 6, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST
That's because you can't write, Harry.
July 6, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST
immediately excuses it from being shit. Wait... Insurrections was fun?
July 7, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST
I had to put my two cents in. As to the post way back there. This is not like recasting Sherlock Holmes. This is not like recasting Superman. This is not like recasting Tarzan, or Hamlet. Those are literary characters, reinterpreted and changed, altered a hundred times by a hundred different people. Kirk IS Bill Shatner!! He is what made kirk not the other way around. Same wit hthe whole cast and crew. In the Series, in the movies, heck even in the comica, the animated series and the o so many novels. Who is Kirk?? Some 'space captain' no it's Bill! You wouldn't recast John Mclain as not Bruce Willis. You wouldn't change Indiana Jones to some 'new' actor and still call him Indi. Riddick wouldn't work as anyone but Vin Desel .. these characters are made by the actors playing them not by the writers making the script. Sure they may decide on the words but the character comes from those actors. Wether you like or hate JJ isn't my point. I think he has done some fine stuff. But you don't screw with a classic that built a legend because you felt some nostalgia. Make another crew that is 'enterprise like' if those are your favorite characters. Set it in the Original series time if you want. But don't screw with what people already know and love and then say yours is the better version because it is new and hip and has money for effects. Maybe that was 3 cents .. but there ya go.
July 7, 2008, 5 p.m. CST
My hope for this movie is that it will REFRESH the Dead franchise that is StarTrek, that the new cast will do a good job replacing/updating-remember that this a younger, inexperienced version -the Classic StarTrek cast (and that I can once again look at a Starfleet Captain and not think commercial pitchman in a bad hairpeice)...I hope the writing will be there, as the best Trek episodes where the ones that made you think, and hopefully (and so far the casting has equaled my expectations) they will bring StarTrek up to today's standards and practices...yeah, i mean "play this one for the O C crowd" bring in a bit of Sex, update the TnA factor, Language and situations that reflects the real world, I also fully expect that some Trekies will hold on to there Classic Trek and not except this because it doesnt have the classic cast (I can understand this as personally, I Don't buy Daniel Craig as Bond- to me it doesnt work, good spyfilm but its not Bond) but in the end for me I hope that this new cast will erase the Bad taste I have for Trek after the last few films-Yes it seems the only good films where the even numbered ones- and that once again StarTrek will be back bringing us well done stories of the human condition disguised as ScienceFiction tales
July 8, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST
and expect that the movie will be on par with Star Trek II and IV...and hopefully will break some new ground,and not be afraid to bring some new elements....unlike the way the powers that be eleminated any mention of Saaviks pregnacy from the films...
July 8, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST
I hope that JJ doesnt" give someone like Harry a little more to work with to appease many of the fans on this site" I really Hope and Pray that that little or nothing leaks out about this(maybe he can keep the details quiet ala Clocverfield) and when Star Treks bows on the big screen people will go into the theater and be suprised....
July 9, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
Until you got to the f*cking point.
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