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EMA: Blu-ray To Overtake DVD Before Next Election Year!!
I am – Hercules!!
HD-DVD is now dead as Elvis, and the Entertainment Merchants Association reports this week that spending on Blu-ray discs is expected to overtake DVD spending by 2012.
Some estimate that Blu-ray sales could for the first time surpass $1 billion this year. That's up from $260 million last year.
Read all of TV Week’s story on the matter here.
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BOOYAH!
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I've chosen it, and that's why!
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As long as they don't take regular old dvd's away from me, I'm good.
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Saw him in Walmart the other day! Liar!
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More like blu gay. And I mean that in the best possible way
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...Having seen the quality in a local Best Buy, I'm ramping up to buy the best Blu-Ray I can by year end.
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... until I can get Edison's 1909 Frankenstien on Blu-Ray, I'm not gonna switch. My collection is too full of rare & unique titles to just chuck 'em all.
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Things really need to change for that to happen. For one the economy needs to pick up. Plus More HD TV's need to be sold. Also most people who have a HD TV still don't even know how to hook up there DVD player too it correctly. I can not tell you how many times I have gone to someones house with a HD tv and they still have not set there DVD player to use the anamorphic setting and are using standard RCA cables to transfer the signal instead of HDMI or Component. It's sad really.
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Good luck. BlueRay will not overtake the DVD market share.. before that happens movies will become luminous beings or energy, not crude matter. I give you.... the Apple iFilm!!!
Man, earlier adapters are suckers... -
bring divix back
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[Insert inaccurate and ignorant information here]
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Especially when titles are $30 a pop. Some of us don't have a disposable fucking income.
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...To borrow a quote from Unca Harlan.
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As long as they don't raise the price for blu-ray rentals. I will rent and re-watch movies I own on DVD, but I'm not rebuying them all again.
BTW: Fuck apple ifilm. Fuck apple, period. -
I've read nothing to indicate anybody thinks Blu-Ray player sales will ever rival DVD player sales. Until the DNR issue is settled and DEAD, I'm not buying a Blu-Ray player, PERIOD.
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Blue Ray is the next LaserDisk. It will be gone and forgotten in 4 years. Everything is going digital media. You'll be playing all your movies from a box by 2012.
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stupid people overtake smart people by next election year. Why on earth anyone would pay that much money for something that is only marginally better than regular DVDs and will most likely be obsolete in 5 years is beyond me.
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Every time I see a demo station or display of a Blu Ray movie, it just seems fake. I can't put a finger on it.
I still think it's nonsense too to have to buy movies over again. If I got a version with a decent amount of extras, I say "Fuck You!" to Sony.
Besides, it's stupid when you think about it.
In order to fully enjoy our Blu Ray player, you must have an HDTV, surround sound system (that old one you have will not cut it) and on and on.
Once again, "Fuck You Sony!" -
hahahaha what a joke.
when i can get uncapped bandwith and terabyte harddrives for 100 bucks a pop this aint happening anytime soon. -
I don't know ANYBODY who owns a Blu-Ray player, and those who have Playstations don't buy the discs. To think a product that has such buttfucking retarded issues is going to take over jsut seems silly to me.
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Denial...it's not just a river in Egypt.
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Believe that!
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It looks too computer animated to me. I guess that's why people rave about the cartoons and heavy CGI movies looking great but that's about it. I want my movies to look like FILM, not a fucking video game.
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Who the hell do I get to take care of that? :)
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Ya. They make the picture so sharp and clear that it doesn't look like film anymore. It looks like it was shot on video. Ultraviolet is the best example of this. I like my movies to look like movies, not like real life. That's the point of watching a movie and not staring out of a window.
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...there's that scene with Ben Kingsley and Robert Redford talking about cause and effect, and how presuming something quickly makes it a reality because it forces people to think that it must be so. That's what's definitely happening here. People are presuming that Blu-ray is going to top whatever amount by whatever year, which will help it become a reality.
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by next election year. Until blu-ray disc and player prices come down significantly, DVD will lead in sales. Who's going to drop 30 bucks on Easy Rider when you can pick it up on standard DVD for 3 bucks?
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Jun 26, 2008 3:21:31 PM CDT
"having a corp. force feeding you their format and products"
by hobocode
...said the guy listening to his iPod
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1. What is with everyone saying they have to replace all the DVDs they bought if they got a Blu-ray player?
2. Watch a movie like "The Assassination of Jesse James..." on Blu-ray. There is nothing fakey, or digital looking about it. It's beautiful.
3. Remember when HD-DVD was being trumpeted here last summer? That was a fun time. -
I've got an upconvert that makes my regular DVDs look good on my high def TV. I'm not about to replace them just to make them a little better.
Converting from VHS to DVD was a no brainer, with all the features, commentaries and not having to rewind, plus a major quality picture upgrade was a major draw.
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Unless you have smaller than a 50in. screen. Smaller than 50in., DVD's are fine. Larger than a 50in. screen and DVD's look like VHS.
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Says me....the uninformed consumer!
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Mob bosses??? Trust fund babies??? People who charge everything on credit cards??
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I don't get this whole thing about throwing away your collection? I just got a PS3 to use primarily as a Blu-Ray player with my new HDTV. I love it. It plays my "old" DVDs in unconverted mode and they look better than ever. Plus Blu-Ray movies look amazing! Don't know where some of you are shopping but if you are paying $30 for a Blu-Ray movie you are a sucker. I just got a few BD's including the FIVE DISK Blade Runner Blu-Ray set for $15 bucks.
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at the moment i'v got a perfectly usable dvd player and 100's of dvd why would i be in a hurry to switch to blue ray? IF something happened to my DVD player and a Bluray player was in the <$100 range i might buy one otherswise..no...I've STILL got my working laserdic player (last movie i got for it was 007-Tomorrow Never Dies )VHS- and 100's of flims so why do i need another peice of tech?
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Jun 26, 2008 3:32:34 PM CDT
Jackie Boy - Conversely...(also RE: digital downloads)
by spreadlegsnotwar
...I know at least five people who have already bought Blu-ray players and another five or six who have PS3s and love Blu-ray.And all you people going on and on about digital downloads make me laugh. Downloading a SD-DVD is a fucking nightmare now multiply that by at least five for 1080p.Until I can download 1080p with lossless audio in under ten minutes, burn a copy for myself and play these downloads on other devices you and your crappy downloads can go eat a giant bucket of shit.You download losers think that by waving a magic wand we'll all have unlimited uber-speed bandwidth and multi-terabyte fault tolerant drives to hold all these downloads. Not happening anytime soon so you enjoy your shitty 720p RENTALS from Apple or whatever the fuck you have.And I love the Sony hating assholes with their ignorant comments like "the bitches at Sony want you consuming THEIR products". Hey genius, the Blu-ray Disc Association is made up of 18 board members and 66 contributing members, not just Sony.
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I don't want to see The French Connection starring Buzz Lightyear and Woody.
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Maybe I'm naive, but I remember reading somewhere that this isn't going to happen on a large scale for a while because it would put a big strain on the infrastructure of the internet.
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Blu Ray won't be taking over anything, digital distribution will be kicking its arse from here to the internet in a couple of years. DVD will be the last mass market disc based medium.
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It's coming people except it. It takes some time now. But the foundation for super highs speed networks is in the works. I say give it 10 - 15 years and all digital media disks will be gone.
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Photoboy's right - it don't matter if you agree or not. Dem's the facts, Jack.
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Before this truly takes over they will need to drop the overall price on the discs themselves - I can purchase just about any movie I want from best buy for under $10 depending on whats on sale for the week, however even when Blu-Ray discs go on sale the lowest they go is usually $19.99. Its difficult justfying the extra expense purchasing the same film in better quality.
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Blu-ray is great. It's a huge improvement over DVD, and if you can't see it then your halfway blind, or in denial. Don't want to buy all your movies again? Then why did you get into DVD? Oh, and as for films looking fake - most of them I've seen have a certain amount of grain visible which actually makes it look more like a movie than DVD.
To cut a long story short Blu-ray probably will surpass DVD. Get used to it. And as for digital distribution....yeah....right...I'm sure that'll take over just when they introduce entire meals as pills, and robot house-servants. -
Whats the point? In 4 years every movie will be downloadable off the internet and storable on a hard drive. So now you wont have hard copies of anything, you will just be able to store it on hard drive.
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It's funny that the newest standard definition disc of taxi Driver that came out a couple of years ago had an improved picture, that I thought kind of killed the look of the film. It was too clean looking. I think sometimes studios go too far in remastering the image that it actually betrays the original film look, and makes it something that it was never intended to be. I guess it just depends on who works on the remastering/restoration. Of course sometimes sound remastering/restoration can get out of control too (see the overblown Vertigo restoration from a few years back).
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down to the 75 - 100 price point by 2012 and we're talking business.
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I know people who don't even know how to burn a CD and you think these same people are going to embrace digital distribution on a mass scale in the next few years?No fucking way. Just because us tech savvy people are hip to downloading doesn't mean that the moron in Podunk, Wherever has any idea how to hook up yet another STB to his TV AND the internet. And tell this guy that when his hard drive crashes (which they always do) that he'll have to re-download everything (and in some cases pay for everything again). Also tell him that he can't bring what he just downloaded over to a friend's house. You people are too quick to transfer your geekiness over to the general public. It doesn't work this way.And before you say "well people buy most of their music online", well, first they don't, most music is STILL sold on physical CDs, and the music and movie businesses are two completely different things. There's a huge difference between a 99 cent 10MB audio file and a $9.99 25GB video file in just about every conceivable way (distribution, content, etc.).Digital distribution WILL happen but those of you sticking your noses in the air at Blu-ray in the hopes that you'll get the same quality through digital distribution any time soon have a much longer wait than you think.
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Hardly anyone backs up their hard drives in reality, oops, there goes all my movies. A download company goes out of business, bugger, I can't transfer my playback rights to my new computer anymore.
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How are overall sales? Does a moderate up for BR compensate for a massive loss of interest in DVD? It just seems like BRD is competing for a percentage of a rapidly shrinking pie. Besides collectile disfunction, I think many consumers are so turned off by double and triple dips and massive innitial price gouging that they are just staying away from purchasing collections of data inside plastic or cardboard boxes. If all the companies had agreed on a format 3 or 4 years ago and launched it effectively, this might have been worth the effort, but at this point it just seems like too little, too late.
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Itunes is the number one music retailer in the country.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Is_Apples_iTunes_really_the_number_one_music_retailer/1214256617 -
No way, buy a projector. Cheaper than a TV, a whole lot smaller, and ideal for movies.
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aside from tv series, i've abandoned dvd for blu-ray but i dont see it being the superior seller anytime soon if at all, i think they'll always co-exist until something better than blu-ray comes. too many people have gotten used to dvd.
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but the idea being posited by this article seems a little far fetched. I still think Blu-Ray itself is a niche market, especially given the fact that the US economy is not doing very good right now. When gas costs over 4 bucks a gallon, and food prices keep going up, I doubt average Joe American is going to plop down 30 bucks for a blu-Ray disc.
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i prefer to jerk it to the vhs tapes i find in the bargain bin at the goodwill. i love the grainy granny grits.
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It really feels like Sony just kinda bought their way into this one after getting sick of losing all those other format wars (Beta, Minidisc, atrac, etc.). No one I know that knew anything about tech wanted Blu Ray to win. We figured it would mean discs would cost $30 for the next 10 years. Heck, even Harry went with HD-DVD first. I'm gonna stick with direct downloads.
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the big internet service providers are eventually going to start charging for the amount of bandwidth we use. it sucks but realistically it's the way things are headed. once that hits, suddenly downloading HD content anytime you want to watch a movie doesn't seem so ideal now does it?
and really, why does everybody flip out about how they won't waste their money replacing their old movies? it's like the outcry over star wars special editions all over again. nobody is putting a gun to your head forcing you to trade in all of your old shit. i have a ps3 and love it. i think blu-ray looks great. i haven't replaced any of my old movies, but that doesn't mean i'm not going to continue to buy new movies on blu-ray. -
if regular titles on blu-ray are already 30 bucks... porn titles will easily be in the 100 dollar range... i need my midget creampie cheap!
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Still rockin the dvd's on my 32 in lcd hdtv. They look perfectly fine thankuverymuch.
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...if I "declare" myself the King of the World, does it make it true?
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Only if you have the data to back it up my friend.
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You guys is so silly
digital downloads...heh.
MT
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Have fun waiting those ten years. In the meantime some of us have chosen to enjoy the best home theater experience there is now.
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who thought the Nintendo Wii would be a financial failure because it's so low tech.
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i would pay the $100 for a blu-ray porn produced by Michael Bay... can you imagine the explosions?!?! and comets! dont forget the comets!!
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will continue to increase in speed is unthinkable!
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Can we get megan fox in those.
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and a blu ray and hd dvd player. Blu Ray kicks serious ass. But hd-dvd had more titles because it had been around longer. so its good to own both if you can still snag one of the old players since its going to be some time before many of the titles we love are released. but blu ray is DEFINITELY worth it. No question about that. the only thing that i'm not too pleased about is the upconvert from standard discs to hd. Heat and There Will Be Blood for example looked pretty bad upconverted. but other titles for some strange reason like cloverfield look decent. i own both there will be blood and cloverfield on blu ray and both look AMAZING and better than the standard edtions
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Every time a new format really get rolling the next one is being murmured. And the newest formats arise closer and closer each generation.
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I have a 42-inch plasma that only does 720p/1080i. Is it worth it for me to buy a blu-ray player?
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while I find it difficult to buy a movie on bluray that I already own on dvd, i have made a few exceptions..day and dawn of the dead, T2, and a few others. I will say this: the picture quality blows the orig. dvds out of the water on every title I've seen so far, especially the orig. dawn of the dead..it looks amazing in bluray.
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is crap
The only way you can approach getting the BD bitrates for sound and video is with Fios. That's the only way....shit, you think Apple is going to give you video at 30mbps? Along with audio upwards of 15-20mbps? -
Jun 26, 2008 4:07:04 PM CDT
Really? Insults because of Digital Distribution? Also RE: All!
by godzillasushi
I already download HD movies on my Xbox 360. So far the internet hasn't broken. Also....talking download speeds, I have DSL so it's...not slow. Geeze, sure are a lot of negative comments for Digital Distribution when it's already got some great services. Not really criticizing physical media. People still collect records afterall...
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of course! in a three way with liv and steven tyler on the nasa control panels... lots of tears and dying... and explosions!
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look I still don't own an iPod so don't blame me for iFilm (this is really happening).
If you need to spend big cash on your home theater, you shouldn't get angry because I think you'll be holding the next laserdisc within a year or so..
The truth is, you can watch HD movies on cable, and that is easy and cheap. And nobody wants to hear that technically this isn't true HD or quality is better on Blueray, you're only arguing with yourself.
AM radio got big in the early 20's. Everyone went out and spent mad money on AM receivers. By 1933 FM broadcasting was developed and it was much clearer and of higher quality. But nobody cared. Everyone had gone out and spent so much for their AM decks, they couldn't move the public that quickly.
Why? Because while presenting something new excites the consumer, presenting something slightly or even significantly better does not. Consumers worry about their investments, they worry that if formats change too quickly, then nothing is worth investing in.
HiFi stereos started promoting FM in the 60's, but it took until 1978 for mainstream FM broadcasting.
We are in a bad economic slump. Oil is going for $140 a barrel Today. The general public doesn't understand what they need to obtain HD (TV set? Cable Service?) and big things are coming within the next year.
The electronic industry is secretly very scared. Apple and the internet has destroyed the cd market and even how music is bought and cable and others will soon do the same to media discs.
People have been buying DVDs like mad for a decade and you think anyone but the early adapters are really going to just jump into this?
Why worry, just enjoy watching movies and if it makes you happy, then all is well. I would rather have my money. Cheers! -
As I proud owner of one I recommend that you buy it if you can afford. especially if you're someone who buys a lot of dvds. But I would strongly urge anyone who plans on buying a blu ray player to hold off on buying too many older titles on standard because many will look like ass on a souped up television. last boy scout standard disc for example is cropped on my 46inch and doesn't pass the mustard. neither does the standard disc of oliver stone's nixon. but fortunately in the case of nixon its being released on blu ray in august so i won't have to wait too too long to see it in all its hd glory.
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Will Blu-Ray make big inroads? Sure, among those in a higher economic class who are willing to spend the money on hardware needed to bother with BR, and primarily among young professionals and young gadget freaks. Will digital make inroads? Slowly. Lots of people still hardly know how to save porn to their hard drives. Downloading the equivalent of a 3-5 hour DVD is not something many people will be comfortable with. Let's not forget, gang, that the AICN crowd and our gang o' pals aren't representative of the American movie-buying public.
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a shiny quarter to the first TBer who tells me how to insert paragraph breaks.
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Blu-Ray is the closest thing yet to an unscratchable disc. That puppy has a think layer of coating on it like I've never seen!!
People are whining "I'm not going to buy all my movies all over again!!" Who's saying you have to??
I have close to 1000 flicks on DVD, and I've chosen to only buy my personal faves and new releases on Blu. They look amazing and the PS3 acts as a sweet upconverter too! SD Sin City upconverted on my HDTV looks pristine! -
I think you guys are a little behind the times. While infrastructure will take a long time to replace and upgrade, data and the video file formats that we depend on are about to make some significant shifts. Think vector files vs jpgs. Bam1 Zoom! to the Moon! Isn't it funny how no one ever expects the next thing that comes down the pike?
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but put it together, that's why my last post was ass.
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...then that's awesome, because it LaserDisc was around for awhile.
It's inevitable the BR is going to get cheaper and cheaper. HDTVs and PS3s will continue to get cheaper, and there will be a continuously larger market for BR discs.
I agree the BR will probably never catch DVD, but it doesn't need to. It's like saying the cassette format never sold as much as vinyl records or cds, so it failed. That's ridiculous - it was an enormously successful format that came and went.
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took about the same amount of time for DVD to overtake VHS. but whatever, I'm a cinephile and all, but I'm not buying into all this blu-ray hype. I've worked hard on my DVD collection over the years, and I'm content to wait for whatever comes after Blu-Ray. Oh, and HD-DVD > Blu-Ray.
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There's just not enough to differentiate Blu-Ray from standard DVDs. VHS to DVD was huge for so many reasons. DVD to Blu-Ray: not so much. Every new audio and video advance that has become standard has greatly improved on it's predecessor. And while I'm not arguing Blu-Ray is a big leap over DVD as far as sound and video - there just isn't much that would interest a typical consumer unless the prices would drop dramatically. And if that happens DVD prices probably drop even more so they might still retain the majority of the market until downloading becomes the norm, whether that is in five or twenty five years.
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I got myself a PS3 a few months back, and now finally have an HDTV. I'm the first to say, on this TV everything looks damn better on HD. But it all looked fine on the normal tv before. However, my old dvd's not look slightly scrappy on my 42" viera, even when upscaled.
Had I stuck with a huge CRT tv, maybe an old massive Sony Wega trinitron I would have had the same effect with normal dvds. But buying the new tv has FORCED me to upgrade to HD for the higher quality.
Has this made me blu-ray out? Actually no, it's made me go in another direction. You see I also have an xbox 360, so I forked out the whole £25 bucks, that's like $40 or something to you yanks. and got myself an HD-DVD drive with batman begins & V for Vendetta thrown in. Problem solved. In the UK HD-DVDs are on sale for as little as £3.50, while Blu-Rays are still £17.99 with players costing exorbitant amounts.
Granted I'll only get maybe....300 movies if I scour the internet for all the cool movies on HD-DVD, but it'll be a 1/5 of the price were I to try and get that same collection on Blu-ray, and it looks and sounds just as good.
And I'm not alone, at least 3 of my mates ahve done the same and I'll probably convince my brother as well. For the moment, unless theres a specific new movie you MUST HAVE on Blu-ray. Why break the bank? -
It's called Netflix. No need to buy overpriced BRs when you can just rent.
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Blu-ray looks great but there's no way in HELL that more people are going to own Blu Ray players than standard DVD players by 2012. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
The next format that MOST Americans will adopt will not be Blu Ray because there simply is not enough of a difference for the average Wal-Mart shopper to notice. The next format that will truly be adopted across the board will be purely digital, downloaded straight to a hard drive of some kind with no hard copy.
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H4X?!!1!
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will i cry harder than on when i saw it on dvd? i hope not... my heart cant take it! they died together... just as they lived and loved life together... so sad.
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that's doubtful, get downloadable movie's balls out of your mouth and think about it. People like having a movie in their hand when they go to the shops. Downloadable movies are far from universally acclaimed.
Blu-ray will succeed because, in a short time, (you can quote me on this) they'll simply stop selling DVD players, i.e. once blu-rays hit the £100 mark, they'll just sell them. Now when Joe public goes out and buys a player which says, THIS WILL PLAY ALL YOUR OLD DVDS AND BLU RAYS! they'll just say. hmm maybe I'll but some films on Blu-ray instead. Some time later, maybe a year, probably less, the DVDs will cease production and Blu-rays will be the only things releasing new films. I'm not saying this will happen overnight, but it will happen.
Saying that people will trust to downloadables is putting too much faith in A: technology, B: people's trust in things and C: people not caring about having movie collections they can actually SEE. -
It's all marketing baby. It's the same shit with VHS and Betamax. The people who *really* drive the market, the average consumer, knows dick all about specs, or any technical reasons to choose one product over the other. All they have to rely on as they stare at that shelf with 2 similar products, is their gut feeling, which has formed it's opinion based on 2 things: how they look, and how they sound. This is why Betamax lost. Betamax? That's a retarded fucking name for a format. No one wants to be saying 'Betamax' all the time, it doesn't sound right. VHS is compact, rolls off the tongue, is in caps, and obviously the letters stand for something important. That is the one and only reason VHS won that media war. It's name. Same with DVD. It's compact, it rolls off the tongue, all over the world in the 90s billions of people mouthed 'D...V...D' to themselves, and without even knowing what DVD stood for, it just *sounded* like what you're supposed to call it. Same as how you call tissues 'kleenex' and bandages 'band-aids' even if the product is not actually made by Kleenex or Band-Aid. It's just such a perfect word for it, we all use it to describe the thing itself, not the brand. Same with DVDs. My parents do not want to wander into Blockbuster every weekend and ask 'is this Blu-ray' still in or has it been rented?' They're going to keep on calling it 'DVD' just as they kept calling tissues 'Kleenex'. And it will effect sales. Because enthusiasts do not drive the market, joe consumer does, and when joe consumer sees a 'blu-ray' and a 'DVD' side by side in a store, he's going to reach for the DVD.
the only smart decision here would be for someone to buy rights to the specification DVD and pretty much make it into a namebrand, and sell their HD format under the label of simply 'DVD'. -
a Blu-ray against it's DVD counterpart on a 60" plasma and tell me there is not a stunning difference. If you don't think so you are crazy. As screens get bigger and cheaper Blu-ray will become a necessity not an extravagance.
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Your screen name is the sound I made when I saw your prediction. They'll just stop selling DVD players? Kizeesh! But seriously - that'll never happen. There's too many manufacturers making DVD players. Someone will probably make them for the next fifty years if not longer.
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Yeah, I recall my friends saying that when I bought my DVD player in 1999.
I don't see all that many VHS players around these days. true they aren't gone yet but there is a fundemental difference.
DVD players will disappear simply because Blu-ray players will eventually reach the point that they are so cheap that it will no longer be necessary to sell DVD-only players. I mean maybe a tesco value dvd player for £4.99 built by pappa chans home-shack electric supplies in Yemen but nothing of quality.
A product only exists in mass production while it hasn't been superceeded by a superior product.
Find me the dedicated CD-rom drives for PCs, on sale from your local hardware store. they don't exist because it's more cost effective to make and sell dvd-drives now. -
Jun 26, 2008 4:54:36 PM CDT
The facts before the fear and stupid inspired fiction...
by ceejaynightwing
BluRay disc players also play and upscale your old DVD collection so there is no need to buy your films all over again. Without the upscaling option, standard DVD looks as bad as VHS on a HDTV screen because of its low resolution.
DVD was just over twice as clear as VHS becasue of its pixel ratio. BluRay is exactly 6 times clearer than DVD by the same pixel ratio based on its screen resolution.
Any standard DVD playing upscaled will look good on a HD TV but totally inferior to it's BluRay equivalent on the same TV unless you have a TV smaller than 32" where by you'll only notice the difference at a very limited degree.
Blu Ray will replace DVD simply becasue BluRay Players can play both formats and DVD players can only play one. Therefore the more affordable the BluRay players become, the smarter option is always going to be to purchase a machine capable of playing both formats as well as playing your existing DVD's on a larger and higher definition screen without them looking like crap.
Blu-ray although spearheaded by Sony is actually a format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of the world's leading consumer electronics, personal computer and media manufacturers (including Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, TDK and Thomson).
All major Hollywood studios now support Blu-ray since the end of the HDDVD vs BluRay format war.
The problems that are common with Video movie download services such as Microsofts Video Store are not evident when purchasing Bluray discs for your home video viewing. These problems consist of technical errors during downloads leading to either incomplete sessions or unretrievable downloads that consumers have to pay again to complete. Thre is also the problem with some films not being able to owned but merely licensed to be watched for a period before becoming unwatchable data on your drive.
Blu-ray is being adopted faster than the DVD format 11 years ago at the same period of its development. This conclusion was made due to the fact that Singulus Technologies has received orders for 21 Blu-ray dual-layer machines only during this year's first quarter, while only 17 DVD machines of this type were made in the same period 11 years ago.
Do not be scared to embrace technology that is easier to incorporate with your existing catalogue than when we all made the jump from VHS to DVD. There is more reasons to get a Blu Ray player than to not get one in the near future.
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...physical media and downloads, in the near term, anyway. Right now, none of the people I know who bought into DVD early are buying into BluRay. The reason being, the jump in quality from DVD to BluRay is nowhere near as significant as the jump from VHS to DVD. Not on the size of screens most of us are watching them on, anyway. Half of the reason DVD was immediately popular was the convenience of the format over tapes, so BluRay doesn't have that edge. Downloads do - for instance, I rarely use CDs anymore because it's just so easy to stream music over a network or plug in an iPod. So regardless of how realistic it is in the short term, given the present bandwidth restrictions, a lot of people are happy to stick with DVD while waiting for increasingly high quality video-on-demand, and happy to live with the near term quality of VoD because of the convenience. If BluRay's suddenly as cheap as DVD is now, I might as well migrate over, but I have a feeling I'll never accumulate as many BluRay as I did DVD, and maybe DVD will turn out to be the last physical format I bought (other than books, and I'd happily shift to eBooks). Hell, the other day I recorded something onto the Sky+ hard drive so I could watch it whenever I wanted - even though I've already got it on DVD. That's a sign, right there.
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PQ is equal but when you boil it down to tech specs, capacity is king and that's why Blu-ray has always been the better option going forward than HD-DVD.And don't even mention that triple layer vaporware bullshit.
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you lot are funny. Most of you screaming about how shit blu ray is dont even have one and are moaning about it looking fake from seeing a demo in a shop?
I love my dvd collection, i have loads of crazy assed european splatter flicks and exploitation but i own a 40 bravia and want to watch certain movies on hi def, for instance close encounters or blade runner when i popped them babies in the ole ps3 my jaw was on the floor i have NEVER seen those movies look so good and as for dirty harry that DOES NOT LOOK FAKE it looks like the gritty movie it is only with 5 times the detail. downloading hi def is at least 10 years away as broadband is nowhere near at the penetration levels needed in the average homestead, also my mom watches dvds and knows about hi def but she sure as shit aint downloading nothing as she doesnt have a computer it is the same argument as music (i work in the music industry) and recent studies just done by naim show that there is still a huge lifespan left in the physical format and this goes for film too.
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Yeah - but we're talking a totally different technology here. VHS to DVD was a monumental leap and it caught on because of all the extra features offered. But DVD to Blu-Ray isn't going to excite 90 percent of the market. It's just not different enough and it came too soon. If it was ten years from now when the majority of consumers will have plasma screens, I could see it happening. Especially if the actual product appeared different than a DVD - like maybe a flash drive that you could plug into a slot on a new device. Someday maybe this will happen. But by 2012? That's insane.
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Why in God's name would you WANT to repurchase Nixon on Blu-ray?
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ok soe brass tacks for you, in the UK, no major retailer still sells crt televisions. It's all LCD and Plasma here, and it's all HD capable. So over here anyone who replaces a tv with a new one is on the HD train.
Also you aren't listening to the reasons. Blu-ray players will have halfed in price by 2010 and again by 2012. Once they're below the £100 mark, do you see any reason that manufacturers will continue to churn out DVD players that will by necessity be dirt cheap? What's in it for them? They'll make far better profits through selling Blu-ray. Ergo, the DVD players will disappear from the shelves. From there it's only a year or two more before DVD as a continually produced format is no longer economically viable. Then we'll see DVD begin to vanish from the shelves the same way VHS slowly slipped away.
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. . .we'll all be required by law to have and pay for a movie studio reprsentive to sit in our front rooms to watch us watch THEIR movies because we're all crooks. The worst part is we'll also have to feed them and wash their clothes. Bastards.
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Watching that last night, the first thing I noticed is all the grain. All the beautiful, natural FILM GRAIN that is part of the picture because it doesn't need to get scrubbed down to help compress the video to fit to a lowly 9GB disc. They did a nice job on this one.
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I think you meant early "adopters". If you are going to be condescending at least use the right words.
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First of all, most of you can't even read. The article DID NOT say that more people will own Blu-Ray players than DVD players, NOR did it say that people would own more Blu-Ray movies than DVD, or anything like that.
ALL it said was that by 2012, SALES of Blu-Ray would be higher than DVD. That isn't an unreasonable prediction at all.For those of you who say that there isn't much difference between DVD and Blu-Ray...look, you're entitled to your opinion. And if you look at the two and say that Blu-Ray isn't worth the extra investment to you, well, that's perfectly valid. But if you really don't see much difference, then either you're using bad equipment, using very poorly-calibrated equipment, or are legally blind.
To those who say it looks too "false" -- too bright, not film-like, and so on -- remember that displays, etc. in stores are badly configured. Out of the box, most TVs are set up in some kind of "vivid" mode that cranks up the color saturation, brightness, etc. It will grab your attention -- especially if it's demoing some Pixar thing -- but it's about the worst way to view live-action film, and it will cause exactly the problems you're describing.
Also, some releases on Blu-Ray have had digital noise reduction applied in order to remove grain -- and in many cases, video detail has been removed as well. This is unfortunate, but of course in the early days of DVD we saw some pretty ridiculous things done too, right?
Go rent yourself a PS3 or Blu-Ray player, then rent the Blu-Ray release of 2001. If that doesn't fry your eyeballs with insane quality, then there's no helping you. -
every demo i've seen of blu-ray movies looks like shit to me. it may have something to do with the conversion for each movie, i'm not sure. but the blu-ray versions seem to (especially in spiderman 3) really screw up the depth of field and when the camera moves it looks more like video than film.
what was weird was that all of the movies they were playing looked shittier than the regular dvd version EXCEPT pirates 3. pirates 3 still had the film grain and looked like it did in theaters. just my 2 cents. -
If you only think that Blu-ray is marginally better than standard DVD than you either have a bad tv or are blind. Argue about the value or cost...whatever, but the quality is there.
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With gas price headed toward $6.50 a gallon. The cost of food and electricity headed through the roof, normal people wondering how to pay their inflated mortgages I can assure you the last thing on their mind is whether or not to upgrade their DVD to players to Blu-ray. This is magical thinking people. Unless and until the economy makes a real recovery you will not see average middle income people making any move towards Blu-ray AT ALL.
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Wow, talk about parallel thinking.
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maybe that is what made it looked weird to me.
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soem bluray players can conver to the proper 24fps of film (or multiples of that rate). Some do not. MAybe you saw one that didnt.
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Thanks. I knew that once. Good to know it again.
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ldm882, I have a 42 inch Panasonic Viesa. It is 720p/ 1080i. I DO notice a difference in picture quality, even with standard cable hook up. Add a couple HDMI cables to your receiver, blu-ray, and television, and it is definitely an improvement. Get the HDMI cables, though.
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People are taking to the format faster than they did from VHS to DVD. Also Digital Distribution is slowly becoming a more open option, but uptake for it is slow as fuck as not many people are getting on board for all the obvious reasons. No-one gives a shit about Toshiba's upscaling technology either. So all those pundits who keep saying that blu-ray won't last are dead wrong and obviously bitter.
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Guys:
Blu-Ray is too damn expensive right now! I'm not going to pay over 600 bucks for a player when I can watch DVDs with a $60 player.
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You got that right. Blu Ray can go screw the pooch. I have expenses to pay and terrorists to fund with my gas money. Fuck this country. We are going to hit a depression real soon. Enjoy.
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interesting point there...I can understand the average fanboy who needs to jerk off to 'Cloverfield' looking awesome in Blu-Ray but most CGI heavy movies suck anyway...how many times are you honestly gonna rewatch Transformers in Bluray?!?1...omg Shia looks awesome in HD?!?!?..
for the average guy is Blu-ray worth it?1...last night I watched 12 angry men...how different is fuckin Fonda gonna look in Blu-ray?1/....does that make sense?...maybe not...Im drunk... -
I just like to pay what I think things are worth. Will Blueray take over by being as cheap as DVDs and DVD players are now? That could work, but if it happens it's not conquering, it's just a DVD player with more options and a better quality DVD. Will this cause people to go and replace their DVDs? No. That ship has sailed and the industry made a lot of dough. So BlueRay may become how we buy new or favorite movies, but not truly be like the VHS DVD shift which required massive repurchases of media. Still, I need you all to believe, a new video format, that takes drastically less actual space and that is not quite BlueRay, but much better that DVD is on the way. And the compression will make you scream! Enjoy..
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you are poo. and you adapt. like a little monkey. :)
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Yeah, because everyone who watches Transformers is watching because of Shia. Don't confuse "everyone" with "you". Pass me a Guinness, please.
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gets to keep all his HD-DVD pimp money, even with this prediction. No justice.
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I love that you need to bring this to that level, where you call folks ignorant and illiterate. Anyone who takes this so seriously, please kiss my balls to the tune of "Do You Know The Way To San José." You really dishonor you're upbringing by losing your cookies over the fate of a DVD format. Silly little men. Why not read a book once in a while so we can argue over which kind of book reading lamp is the best. Please keep in mind, I may be ignorant and illiterate, but I'm also large, scary, cranky and I hate pandas. :)
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sure there are people who like the idea of it. But generally people like having collections, that's why I think discs will always be around. Also sure a majority of nerds will download but the majority of america is not like that. I for one love getting dvd's and having a collection.
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are off their fucking rockers. You're either Sony apologists or you don't want to admit that this is simply the next Laserdisc, and you just bought into it. Laserdisc was much better quality than VHS, if you remember, and did people flock to that? No.
Blu-Ray just doesn't have value to your average consumer, especially in light of the economy.
And to all you tech-elitists that think a 600 dollar blu ray player is more important than the morgage or the kids college fun, got to hell. -
Just watch out for pandas that know kung fu. I hear they can seriously ruin your motherfuckin' day.
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I love that ANYONE praises Cloverfield on Blu-ray, a film shot to look like fairly cheap digital quality. that's fanboyism in action.
But no HD is very ace. But I wouldn't tell anyone it's necessary unless their the kind of person who used to but superbit DVDs
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double figures. Seriously, some of you need to try using the logic that is so sadly shunned these days.
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They work in your blu-ray players and they will also look better though not as good as blu-ray!And it's fucking inevitable that blu-ray will soon be the standard. When blu-ray player prices drop down to where DVDs are now... do you REALLY think that they'll waste time manufacture DVD players anymore??? Huh? Do you??? No, pretty soon there'll only be blu-ray players on your shelves! And new Blu-ray movies will drop to the same price as new DVDs too! There's no reason to drop prices on DVD eitehr as they still know you stubborn chumps will have no choice but to buy it! And I can't wait till some studios decide there's no point to DVD anymore and all your favourite films are only released on blu-ray... because you're all figuring you'll just sit it out for the next format... which ironicaly will simply be higher capacity blu-ray discs! And by the time WWIII is over and entire cities and their infrastructures are rebuilt with state of the art internet bandwidth and infinity harddrives with free access to all, digital distribution will be the big thing... but then they'll have to rebuild Hollywood first so enjoy downloading your classics all over again because there no backwards compatabile option in those boxes!
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I doubt companies will even let you download a keeper... They'll have it stored forever on their servers and you will have to stream that sucker! So enjoy renting or paying for the right to view it on your box, or maybe you'll get a special account card that'll let you stream it at your friend's house... But I think they'd rather not have it be so easy...And for you people whining about price... Hey, nobody's forcing you to buy it right now you know... Too expensive for you? Then don't hop on board! There's no gun to your head, but stop trying to ruin other people's fun because you're not 'rich' enough to get into the club... and btw, the cheapest price of entry is $400 for a PS3, and I believe there are players even cheaper than that now by other manufacturers... you know, ones that aren't Sony... so try and keep up...
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It's already wired for HD, so when Netflix starts offering HD content, it's ready to go. Only $99. It will all depend on Netflix making the leap to HD instant content.
Even at standard def, the box rules. I've got 200 titles on my list, can start any of the titles, stop viewing, and come back to where I left off for each title. Only have to pay $8.99 a month for my one title at a time for discs in the mail, and I have unlimited access to their "watch instantly" library. Love it. -
I don't doubt that blu-ray will eventually take over as the standard and DVD will go the way of the VHS. 4 years is a long time. Maybe the prices will drop like crazy and it will become affordable. I know HDTVs that were $2000 last year are $1000 this year. So its possible.
What I AM seeing is that BASIC costs have DOUBLED in the last year and don't seem to be slowing down and projections are that they are going to get worse. For the average family that means things like Blu-Ray DVD players and Blu-Ray movies don't get bought. I know, its crazy. I'm not slamming Blu-Ray, I'm not saying it won't get adapted and sold at some point, I'm saying that the economy AT THIS POINT is not in a position for everyone to mass convert to the latest and greatest when a lot of us are just trying to hang on to what we've got. -
when one of them supplies Regenerations (that's Behind The Lines to you yanks) and Day of the Beast on HD. Seeing as I can' even get them on VHS or DVD currently in the UK.
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I want the media I want, delivered when and how I want it. PERIOD. No disappearing seasons, no bonus feature switcheroos, no botched-up edits and shit. I want to be able to read about some obscure 1927 film, and pull up a copy ready to watch. And I only want to pay for a title ONCE--I don't care what bonus features you add, it's a rip-off if I have to pay again. Until they get this message through their thick fucking skulls and give me what I want to purchase, they can kiss my ass while all the fan boys suck their cocks.
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Beta will never die! Never!
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Jun 26, 2008 6:52:39 PM CDT
Penalty for gratuitous use of double exclamation marks
by iowa snot client
Wow, 2012 is so going to rock!
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I doubt Blu-Ray will make it to 2012, by then we'll all be downloading our movies instead of buying discs.
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Blue Ray can only make a shitty movie a little less shitty. With a great movie I wouldn't even notice the better quality. This is just another way of the industr changing formats on us to make more money. In 2 years memory and bandwidth will be so great as to make any hard medium obsolete.
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Jun 26, 2008 7:14:12 PM CDT
Civilization ends Dec 21, 2012; Invest in swords & axes.
by stereotypical evil archer
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Maybe Blu-Ray players still won't cost approximately 6 times as much as the average DVD player by 2012. I agree that we could easily be downloading movies in high-def by 2012, so why drop that much money now? If the players could drop from the $400 range to the $200 range and the disks from around $30 to $20, my guess is sales would skyrocket. But, then again, I guess they're not hurtin' as it is, so why would they want to mess with a good thing.
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Fuck people telling you to rebuy your collection. Bluray players make everything so much clearer. Regular DVD's are unconverted so well that I'm just buying BluRay when available. When it's not, the DVD still looks amazing. And just because you have a DVD player with an HDMI out does not mean you have an unconverted DVD player. PS3 is great and getting better. DIVX works good and is super clear (better than my set-top Phillips).Sony does need to work on some forms of XVID though. And why not have a good TV? You're on AICN for Christ's sake! You like media! Your 120 lb. 27 inch isn't going to show you what wide screen 56+ inches will. Just don't buy collectible miniatures or weed for a couple of months and go upstairs and ask your mom to put on some clothes and float you a fifty.
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I'm getting DVDs for £2!!! and will not purchase anything on Blue-Ray til the price drops by a long shot from the extortionate £20+!In the Meanwhile I'm filling the gaps in my DVD collection with rediculously cheap boxsets I could never aford before!I have a voucher for the Video store though so I'm sorely tempted by There Will Be Blood on Blue-ray regardless of cost for my Birthday!
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Who the fuck's going have enough money to piss away on replacing their copy of Jaws for the fifth time?
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I'm not worked up about formats. If Blu-Ray does sag and (somehow) digital downloads really become pervasive, then fine.
I do get worked up about ignorant illiterates. When people read the above article and then say that no way will people own more Blu-Ray players than DVD players by 2012, then those people are illiterate, or ignorant, or both, because the article says no such thing. Also, people who say that Blu-Ray will be dead and downloadable content will be pervasive by 2012 and claim that it's *fact* are ignorant, because it's not fact at all. -
Except product placement of course. Ive got 1600 DVD's, maybe 40 some blue rays. I'm only buying new releases on Blu-Ray, and therrs maybe 100-200 of those 1600 that I'd replace with a Blu-Ray version. Star Wars/Indy/Pirates(done)/BTTF/LOTR/ etc, of course, but will I replace Animal Crackers or Some Like it Hot? I think DVD's will do just fine. But I just dont see how digital downloads will work for me, unless you can assure me that should I get the urge to watch Phantom of the Paradise or Performance at 3:30am on Christmas morning, it can be on my 52" TV within 30 seconds in uncompromised video quality, uncut, in the proper aspect ratio, and without commercials before, during, or after the presentation.
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but actual streaming. HD on demand is already here, even if it is compressed to shit right now, most people wouldn't know the difference and won't care. That tech is only going to get better as badwidth gets to the point where you can download uncompressed 1080p HD faster than you can watch it, why would you want to own a bunch of clutter? You don't have to buy a bunch of hard drives, you don't need any type of burner, you just watch it, and if you want to watch it again, go ahead, it downloads faster than you watch it, so no wait time. You guys talking about needing to own physical media are the new record collectors. Yes there are still people who want that stuff, but they're few and far between.
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Jun 26, 2008 7:40:30 PM CDT
Can you insure a hard drive for the value of 2000 films?
by alfred_packer
Seriously, I honestly dont know the answer to that one...anyone know?
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so I'm not going to bother until studios stop making DVDs.
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I guess they'll want to raise the prices of blu-ray discs too. Damn speculators, get a real job.
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Gas prices will ensure nobody will have the money for luxuries like BLURAYs (is that what you call them?)
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Like bluetunehead said, internet providers are already discussing plans to charge by bandwidth instead of a flat fee each month. Most people would use up their bandwidth in a day, and have to order more. It will get costly.
If your hard drive dies, you need to redownload everything. I would rather have a scratch on one movie and not have it play, rather than have over 2,000 movies be gone, and have to redownload all of them.
Our economy is in trouble now, if we begin downloading games and movies, what is the point of Gamestop? Why go to those stores when you could just download the game? More job loss. Why go to the movie theater when you could download the movie on the release date? More job loss. Can anyone explain the job creation of digital downloads? I am sure the movie studio will just move a few people to upload the movie to their website, so people can download them. There is no middle man, meaning less jobs for us. -
I took the risk by buying a HD DVD player and I lost. My whole point of not buying the BLU-RAY is all the firmware bullshit you have to do. Sony has a rep (like Apple) of creating a thousand generations before they get it right (if that!).
Anyway, I agree with some on how overrated Blu-Ray is. You got to give it to Sony, they got the last laugh after so many format failures (I actually have and still love my Mini-Disc). I'll buy a Blu-ray when they're nice and cheap (or win the original Star Wars movie are released), but for now, I'll continue to use my HD DVD Player. BTW- it actually does make the SD discs look better on my 1080 TV. -
do you know what the UK is????
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So does this mean that Blu-Rays\'s won't be so fuckin expensive?
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You my friend, are a breath of fresh air. Your logic tight, your words eloquent and your demeanor warm. I'm sure this type of bold logic has allowed you to solve many problems and garnered you much success and renown. It also makes you the most rare of all things... a pompous, bumbling, ninny with donkey cum leaking out of every orifice. Silly girl, you really shouldn't go out without your helmet, you really can't afford another knock on the head.
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That would make life so much easier. No more internal fans either.
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does it work?
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no, what were we talking about????
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At the rate things are accelerating, by 2012 computer game sales may be so far ahead of video that movies will be as quaint as radio plays. Well, 2012 may be too soon for a tipping point, but I can honestly say I have no interest in blue ray and unlike the VHS-to-DVD transition, I don't find myself waiting for it come down in price ... rather I simply don't care.
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or soap operas, they're too needlessly fucking sharp. besides, dvds look awesome on a blue ray player, so why spend the extra $10?
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is utterly negligible to the average consumer.
look, yes, the quality of video and audio is amazing on BLU-Ray, that's a given. but consider what really made the average consumer switch from VHS to DVD:
-improved picture and sound
-physically smaller format
-you can instantly jump to a scene rather than spending half an hour fast-forwarding to the dancing mushrooms in Fantasia
-rewinding(remember that?), the single most annoying aspect of VHS suddenly became a non-issue.
-DVD's wouldn't wear out over time like VHS's
the success of DVD in the mainstream market had nothing to do with the improved sound and picture, but everything to do with it rendering everything we hated about VHS into a non-issue. if picture and video were all that mattered, LaserDisc would have taken off. but nobody wanted to get up to flip the damn disc mid-movie. the point we're making is that all BLU-Ray has is video and audio improvements, and that alone is not going to be enough to push average joe consumer away from the DVD collection they've spent years amassing. unless the studios make a coordinated effort to phase out DVD, forcing the average Wal-Mart shopper to buy into the format, there is no way in hell BLU-Ray sales are going to overtake DVD.
and exactly how the fuck is a format with a smaller installed user-base gonna outsell the format with at least one player in nearly every home in america? if more people have DVD players, MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY DVDS! given the option of either Blu-Ray or DVD, people are going to pick the format they have a player for, so unless the Blu-Ray guys are buying enough copies of every movie that comes out on the format to exceed the larger userbase of DVD owners, then BR sales will still be the smaller of the two. -
Maybe in the UK they like to hold things in their hands, but here in the US we have something called mp3s now where everyone downloads all their music and no one buys CDs anymore. It's EXACTLY the same concept. Once it becomes as easy to download a movie as it is to download music, people will have no problem clicking a button to get their movies. They won't miss the DVD anymore than they miss the CD.
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Forget downloading over the internet. That was a fun hippie pipe dream while it lasted, but the way ISPs are throttling back their bandwidth hogs today, downloading a movie will soon be a thing of the past.
The cable companies have it right. On demand. HD. Game over.
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the mayan calendar ends the same year blu ray takes over....coincidence???...i think not
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the grainy look is a quality all its own, somehow looks more mystical and gritty (texas chainsaw massacre expecially), old movies, which is all i watch, look that aura when they're glossified and shiny looking, it was somoething man was not meant to see...
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Bottom line is this: the only people talking up Blu-Ray are the suckers who forked over too much money for a format they are now realizing isn't going to be the standard for the future. Digital is the direction that all media is heading. Read the rhetoric the Blu-Ray folks are spitting - it's word for word the same talk you heard from BetaMax, LaserDisc and MiniDisc owners. There are always fools who jump in too early on a new media format and they ALWAYS get defensive when they begin to realize they wasted their money. Here's a promise: your favorite movie of 2015 will not be released on Blu-Ray. Bank on it.
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BUT when they're glossified and shiny looking, it was somoething man was not meant to see...
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And I'll agree with their assessment. Otherwise, forget it. I'm not paying the current prices for Blu-Ray players, and I'm perfectly happy with upscaled movies.
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Damn you to hell!
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It looses all the movie feel, and kind of looks silly , I have PS3 but don't buy blu ray dvds cause it doesn't feel right. I don't know?
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Although the majority of morons here can't seem to get it into their heads that directors even now still choose grainier film stocks for aesthetic reasons and original film grain has nothing neccessarily to to with the quality of the transfer, the original TCM is a bit different.
It was shot on 16mm and duped to 35mm. They tried to get the finest grain they could on the 16mm but the speed was so damn slow (faster film=more grainy but you can shoot with less light) that it was a nightmare to shoot. That's why you have stuff like the van scenes where the windows are blown out. Sometimes you blow out the exposure in windows intentionally to cover up that you're not actually driving or that there's only a painted backdrop outside the set, or to give a 'hot' look (Out of Sight for example), but that's not what happened here. They couldn't afford to film on 35mm and chose the finest grain 16mm to get as close as possible but had to live with the consequences! -
fixing my last post, hence no edit function round these ancient word thingy pages.
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those van scenes looked like ther was a supernova happening outside. but then again it's that mystical quality, not to mention strange cosmic forces hinted in that sun flare credit sequence. TCM is truly something of an ethereal experience. tobe hooper must've had divine guidance on that one!
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To recap. 1) Blu-ray players play your DVD's too. Why buy movies in an inferior format going forward. 2) If a Blu-ray of an old movie looks too clean it's a bad transfer. Don't blame the format.
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You know, some of the smartest people I know are Americans. But without doubt, *all* of the dumbest I know are too. With comments like "I don't know, Blu-ray looks like video to me", it just re-affirms that belief. So, a digitally scanned source displaying at 1920x1080 resolution, in native 24p looks like a 50 year old 200 line technology? Suuuuure it does, riiiight... Or, how about, "It looks like CG!" Or maybe, just maybe, you're too used to a shitty soft transfer or (and you'd be amazed how poor most of these guys are) crappy projectionists in modern cinemas? Stop hitting the pipe, and wake up! Go see a digitally projected or watch the Blu-ray edition of Blade Runner, and you might just learn something...
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are you for real? nobody buys cd/music??
please I work in the industry and while cd sales may be down 6% vinyl went up 33% over the last year and with the possibility of cd+ launching with extra content physical formats are not going anywhere you see this may be a wierd concept but some people like to actually own product, buy it even. kids included hense why they have started selling usb ports etc. I bought my blu ray this week and it is fantastic, I have never seen a picture like it , i calibrated my 1080p tv and yowsa. even the girl was stunned by it.
DVD and Blu Ray will both be around a long time yet, dvd sales will level off within the next to years as machines reach saturation point and blu ray will continue to grow.
Downloadable content in every home that is true HD is ten years away (fact), so sit back and embrace it.
I love me dvds and my new bd too !!
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or $50 that is the typical price of a Blue Ray disc in the UK. They can ram that right up there arse. Net outcome - I have stopped buying DVD's as I have a Blue Ray player but I won't pay that price for Blue ray discs so noone gets my hard earned loot. Mighty fine strategy that one.
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I know so many people, including myself, who went crazy buying DVD's and only watching them once, or sometimes they would sit on my shelf for months. No one needs a collection of 500 BluRays, I myself am just re-buying my 'A' movies from my DVD collection. I listed about 40-50 movies that I truly love, and that will be it, and I will rent anything new. Movies like Rocky, Star Wars, Jaws, Raiders, Caddyshack, Ghostbusters, The Godfather, I will buy on BluRay the day they come out. All of my 'B' movies that I enjoy but really don't watch much I will not upgrade. Remember guys sometimes less is more, and if everyone moderates, then you won't have to spend thousands of dollars to delve into BluRay, just buy what you know you will watch a zillion times.
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I am in the uk too just use dvd.boxoffice.com they even tell you which ones work on a uk player ! and movietyme have some good bargains, hmv are doing 2 4 2 at the mo. look around blu ray cheapness is everywhere !
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No way those things would ever get wide consumer backing. Way too expensive. VHS looks fine, and it doesn't have those horrible black bars cutting off the picture at the top and bottom. That's what all the folks like you guys were saying back then.
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Sure, the technology is there, but the infrastructure is not. It would require replacing every piece of copper in the ground with fiber. A high speed direct connection is possible, but the raw switching power and routing of that much data on a mass scale will take a lot longer than 10 years. And as soon as you are more than 5 miles away from a commercial dense population center you are wasting your time completely. There is no money in it for the provider.
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Jun 27, 2008 5:52:39 AM CDT
I generally tune out people who start bragging about their 'syst
by jae683
You know, the 'I have a ubber-battleship sized tv and a gazzilion watt amplifier, and blu-ray, and you'll all be jealous when I'm watching AVP in HD!' crowed. Yeah, right.
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I don't boast about my system, but I love the fact that I can watch movies in HD. That's about as much as I'd say about it...
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roll out more digital projection theaters already
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and don't plan to anytime soon. I don't debate the quality of BluRay. It's just that I'm unwilling to spend big bucks to upgrade my TV and stereo components to maximize what the format has to offer. Times are tough. My rented and downloaded DVDs will continue to be just fine, thank you. And I imagine the people who have verbal orgasms about how great it is, and their system is, apparently don't have kids with tuitions, car payments, mortgage, law school loans and other bullshit biting them on the ass. I'm not trying to piss on anyone's good time, but I do kinda take offense when someone suggests that the way I enjoy my music and movies somehow isn't "good enough"
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and I still don't feel the need for a blu ray player now. Maybe with a 40'or more TV it worth it. But I can wait a long time with my nicely upscaled DVD. Maybe if you have to wath your 32' TV real close a blu ray player can help.
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Is almost as big as the DVD section now. It certainly is growing. Prices are going down. No need to replace your DVD's. Just upscale em on the bluray player and get all your new movies on bluray. Simple. Much simpler than the switch from VHS to DVD. Anyone who thinks that Digital distribution will catch on is just a fool who probably bought an HD DVD player as well.
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...ain't gonna happen.
At this very moment, in the United States, it's still profitable for companies to release 4:3 versions of movies on DVD. This means that there is a huge portion of the media-buying public that hasn't even embraced widescreen yet, let alone a superior digital format. As long as Joe Blow still wants discs "without them thar black bars messin' up the pitcher" there is no fucking way Blu-Ray will overtake DVD by 2012.
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No, I just don't like braggarts. I think Abominable's priorities are whee they should be. If you can afford it, fine, but is it a priority over most people, in thid day and age? No.
I mean, look at the music scene. Both high resolution audio formats, and even slandered cd, are clearly superior to the compressed downloadable crap on Ipods today, and yet that's the trend. Why? because college kids could afford compressed music. It's cheap, easy to pass around, and you can get it one song at a time, or even for free. Quality didn't matter to people on a budget. -
My kingdom for an editing button. sigh.
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...but you digital download people are mad.
I have an iPod with thousands of MP3s on it, but I have backed up every single one of them on CDs and DVDs. If you keep all your movies and music on a hard drive and the thing breaks, then you are dumb fucks who DESERVE to lose your entire collections.
Besides, I don't know any geeks who don't consider owning movies and music in a physical form an integral part of being geeks and collectors. Physical media will NEVER disappear. If you believe otherwise, you are deluding yourselves. -
...releasing Blu-Ray only titles in this day and age is a non-starter. Within a few days of the first Blu-Ray only release, a ripped, standard DVD version will explode across the torrentverse.
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So how long would that take? 4 hour movie in perfect 1080p resolution. 4 commentaries. Six hour making-of. Plus no cool packaging. How long will it take to download the movie + all the features in HD with all the commentataries? Yeah thats why DD is stupid.
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...to help it along before it became mainstream. Early adopters aren't always just rich fools who buy into anything. We also help the formats that can actually make it into the market. I'm sure alot of morons were crying that DVD was too expensive. I paid 30 bucks for Operation Condor on DVD when it came out. Thats absurd when you think of how much they cost today. Someone had to do it. Same with bluray.
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Sorry. And Nationwide, November 2010.
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it won't be me. So you go along and 'help' the poor little format. If it works out, I may look in on it. Call me a 'fair whether' format fan.
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So stop kidding yourself. Fact of the matter is starting in Q3 of this year the retailers will start pushing Blu Ray hard core. That includes the price droppping. Which is the MOST important component for the consumer. In fact word around people in the know is in conjuntion w/ the digital switch over in 2009, the retailers probably will be bundling free Blu Ray players w/ the purchase of some new HDTVs. You can also expect the price of an average Blu Ray to drop about 20% during Q4. I'd guess by the end of this year, 25% of the Blu Ray haters on this TB will change their tone.
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Fact. Physical media will be pretty much extinct in 3-5 years. Aside from music, where aging fanatics will keep CDs and vinyl alive for maybe another 30-40 years. I'm not even going to waste my money on Blu-ray.
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I have two friends who a directly downloading HD movies from apple right now. They got plasma TVs and didn't even bother with BluRay, since they figure the direct download is easier/better.
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4 years ago, I couldn't download a movie unless I used the company's internet connection.
These days I can download Doctor Who plus commentary in about 20 minutes.
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Good for your friends. But can you visualize your parents and grandparents downloading. Do you really believe the infrastructure is there to make downloading a viable option for the entire country? In 10 years yes. But not in 5. I know this will be a hard thing to accept, but there are MILLIONS of people who either don't have internet access or still use dial up. And you expect in 5 years everyone is going to be downloading movies? As I stated above, you're kidding yourself.
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Jesus, if your set is 32 feet wide and you don't think you need proper 1080p... unless of course you didn't realise " means inches an ' actually means feet... ;)
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Let's just say you CAN download 50 gigs worth of info overnight. Fine. At the same quality as physical media. Fine.
And just HOW MUCH do you think that sort of bandwidth will cost you? You really think, following the last few years of net plans, that you'll pay say, 50 bucks a month for say, a terabyte a month? My subscription is 80 a month for 12 gigs before speed throttling kicks in. I know it's because I'm not American, but that's part of the point.
At the moment high bandwidth stuff even in major U.S. (or U.K.) cities are starting to switch from a flat unlimited download fee to capped/throttled plans. Good luck. Just say you wanted to download 10 50 gig movies a month. Even if you're not paying for the movies themselves, you're paying for your net account (not talking copout work/uni access here - although you'd be busted for those anyway with that sorta usage). You're going to be on a roughly 500gig plan in 4 years time?
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You do realise don't you Jay, that the quality doesn't HAVE to be crap? iPods don't AUTOMATICALLY make it crap. That's either morons who either compress the living shit out of the original (you can change the settings man), buy devices with tiny capacity and therefore HAVE to squeeze 'em to buggery, or have lousy headphones so they can't hear it even if the quality IS good. You can still get hundreds or thousands of tracks if you use a high-bandwidth or non-lossy encoding. I think you've got the tail wagging the dog. It's not the iPod's (or whatever media player) fault. That's just ostensibly a little hard drive.
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"But can you visualize your parents and grandparents downloading." Mine already do! I really don't want to make you mad or anything, but you also don't sound like you know enough about it. Services like Netflix have huge numbers of customers and stream movies as part of the service. People who I never would expect are the ones taking advantage of that. The consoles are also making good use of DD in a way that is accessible. I think Sony is launching their movies on the PS3 soon and of course there is XBL. And those are only a few examples in the big picture. If the process is made simple, then anyone can do it. :)
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I know too much about the subject matter. Part of my job is related to the field. Downloading has it's place in the world today, no question. But as far as being the # 1 way people watch movies. Nope, not even close now or in 5 years.
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People were stating they couldn't believe people wouldn't want to go with Blu-Ray when the quality was so much better. I was just giving an example where quality didn't make much difference.
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Your at the mercy of your hard drive. Your at the mercy of whatever limits companies set for downloads. What if you can't watch it as many times as you want like a DVD? More control of how and what you watch is all that will lead too. Just look at how they control MP3's. Which players use them and which don't. I like how some companies are including a digital copy of the film on the bluray/dvd disc. I still buy CD's, put em on my IPOD and love that I own the music no matter what happens. Last I checked stores are still filled with physical media. You think stores are going to suddenly allow physical media to die? That would destroy their business. Not gonna happen. Its a internet nerds dream that won't come true. Then again its pretty stupid to NOT want to own a physical copy of what you buy. It's downright idiotic if you ask me.
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I really don't have a beef with anyone who downloads or if they are the wave of the future. As I stated earlier, when I get a BluRay player, I will buy 40-50 of the movies I truly love, movies that I have watched since I was a kid, and be done with it and be happy for the rest of my life. I bought a CD player in 1989, and pretty much bought my collection of groups like The Who, The Stones, Zeppelin, etc, and I occasionally buy something new once in a while, but I have been content with my CD collection for 20 years cause I am happy with the quality, and will be content watching Star Wars and Raiders on BluRay someday, and won't need anything better, cause how much better can it get?
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This is exactly what I'm talking about when I call you ignorant, but let's see if I can explain this to you in simple concepts.
Currently, I own several hundred DVDs and at least 6 DVD players. I also own about a dozen Blu-Ray discs and one Blu-Ray player.
Now, in July I might buy one DVD and three Blu-Ray movies. Do you see what just happened? For me personally, Blu-Ray outsold DVD 3:1...and yet, look! I still own way more DVDs than I do Blu-Rays, yet I didn't throw anything away?
Do you NOW understand the difference between current sales and installed base? Or do you need even smaller words?And for the people who say Blu-Ray can't succeed because of the price...Christ, I think the lot of you need to go blow a few economics professors. Do you REALLY think that Blu-Ray players will still cost $400+ in three years, or even one year? Really? Are you that ignorant of history? -
Yeah I'm french, I always have toubles with those inche/feet !
And so I agree, a 32 feets HDTV would totaly needs a blu-ray player, lol
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Well put.
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Do you even know what "fact" means? When you say things like "downloading will overtake Blu-Ray by 2012: fact," you make it clear just how stupid you are.
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Wake me up when Blu-ray players are in the $100.00-125.00 range. And I'm not talking about just on Black Friday either. Until then, I couldn't care less. I don't care about "the future" of movies. Blu-ray, direct downloading or Smell-o-vision. Yeah, I want high quality, but in case you haven't noticed we're in a recession Just make them inexpesive. Is that so much to ask?
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Perhaps you're too young to remember when DVD players were hundreds of dollars. Blu-Ray players will unquestionably get down to that range within the next couple of years.
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As Christian Bale said in Harsh Times, "That's a lotta lettuce."
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BR and it's fans can toot their horns all they want, but it's not going to replace DVD until the prices are the same. And I can't get behind this downloading thing, maybe for stuff you just want to rent, but for my favorite movies, I like to collect it, own it, have easy and quick access to it on my shelf without the fear of it suddenly disappearing off a hard drive one day. Just like with my books and CDs.
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I can remember a time before Cable and VCRs. It was called the 70's. I also remember getting my DVD player in 1999 for $169.00. Which is around the cost of most Hd-dvd players before they went bust. So, why are stand alone Blu-ray still so goddamn expensive? Are they twice as expensive to build than Hd-dvd players were? No. Does Sony want to "encourage" people to buy PS3s because they think that eventually those owners of the PS3s will buy a game or two, making Sony that much more money? I set my watch and warrant on it.
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Because you know it's coming whether you want it or not.
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ZoeFan, yeah I kind of agree with you. But the margin between each format probably won't be that large. Nobody is giving the common person any credit. I don't even know why I am arguing when ultimately everything is blending together. DVD's even have those digital copies. That's like a gateway into DD. knowthyself, just look at how well those MP3's sell anyway. I still buy CD's too. But man, it feels good to rent HD movies knowing that I don't have to leave the house and end up with a movie I'll never watch again. Is that the seperation we all have? Downloads vs. Rentals? I want to own physical media, but I never want to rent them. Eh....I got nothing. There's no convincing one way or the other on this thing.
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Most game system makers lose money on the actual systems. That's been a given for years. They get their money back on the games and game licenses.
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First, bandwidth. Places where gobs of bandwidth comes cheap are not common, and if you think that will change in a couple of years, you're crazy. Network buildouts take time and lots of money.
But even if the bandwidth does come...studios will continue to make downloads/streaming a pain. They don't want people to pay $20/month for unlimited HD downloads; that's a crazy pipe dream. They'll charge per-use fees, and you'll only be able to watch it for 24 or 48 hours or whatever. Sure, they may eventually let you "buy" a movie, but if it costs the same as or more than a disc, why would you do that? Current digital downloads aren't as good as DVD, so it stands to reason that future "HD" digital downloads won't be as good as Blu-Ray. Are you really going to pay the same or more for inferior quality?
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I'm older than you think, and yes, I remember the 70s too. HD DVD players were cheaper than Blu-Ray because Toshiba was willing to sustain losses to try and stay alive in the format war. Sony didn't do that, because they knew that if they did the other hardware manufacturers would bail on them rather than take losses. (Toshiba didn't really have other hardware manufacturers in the game by the time the HD DVD players got cheap.)
Now that the format war is over, Blu-Ray players *will* drop in price over the next couple of years as volumes scale up. The damned format war delayed the natural process. There will be $199 Black Friday players, which means there will be regular-priced players at that point by mid-2009. -
They probably won't even be profitable on the PS3 until the end of the year. And that's after they stripped down the console in the first place. They have gone through so many SKU's. It's only been recently the thing started to sell solid numbers and those sales have been because of a lower price and actual software to use on it. If they were selling the same set they had back at launch, they'd be losing money for a very long time. It's too bad they took a lot out, those things were amazing pieces of hardware!!!
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Glad someone posted that. I saw a set-up at Best Buy the other day, the movie footage looks like an on-set documentary now. Way too "real" looking for my tastes, it doesn't look like a film anymore. But CGI cartoons DO look better, like FINDING NEMO, as well as CGI creatures within a live action movie (Kraken in the PIRATES movies).
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Demos in a store are an awful way to evaluate because the TVs are set up in "vivid" mode (also known as torch mode). Some Blu-Ray movies have also had obnoxious digital noise reduction applied (I'm looking at you, Fox...how could you DO that to Patton?), which makes it look worse.
Go back to Best Buy. Grab the TV remote and see if you can change it to "normal" or "cinema" mode, and then see if it looks better. If not, it might be the movie...go grab the Blu-Ray for 2001. If that doesn't look utterly gorgeous to you, then I can't help you. -
But as time goes on I find the need to own physical media continues to decrease. It started with music and the introduction of Rhapsody. With a few exceptions, every album by every artist I listen to is up on their site. So sitting at my desk all I had to do was launch their player and I had music without having to bring a CD with me. Then they introduced the Sansa which enables you to drag albums onto the player and bring it with you. You don't have to buyt he albums, just continue to subscribe to the service. $15 a month and that's all the music I want. $15. The cost of one album.Sure, I still have 1000's of albums spread across two 500GB hard drives, but I no longer need to devote an entire wall of my house to my CD collection. They're all packed away in a closet and I now get to look at paintings and pictures instead.The Rhapsody method is the way to go for movies as well. Stream them through On Demand. Downloading a movie to your HD is silly when you can stream it and call it up and watch it whenever you want. Heck, we already watch movies on demand now, but instead of only having a dozen new releases to choose from, we have entire studio catalogs. I'm not sure if the infrastructure exists for our cable system to go from having Joe Six Pack call up one on demand movie a week to calling up one a day, but it's something the cable companies can work on.Sure it means giving up physical copies of movies, but isn't that what video rental stores represent? Allowing people to see a movie without buying it? Charging people a flat monthly fee to watch as many movies on demand as they want will quickly remove the desire to own a physical version of the movie, especially for people like me and Abominable Snowcone who have kids, car payments, student loans and mortgages to worry about in the face of $5.00/gl gas.
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Sony's going to keep their prices up as long as possible now. There's no reason to lower their prices now that they have no competition. So they'll keep their prices up but still point to the PS3 (or even slightly lower the PS3's price as an incentive)as the best way to get Blu-Ray. All the while knowing that even if only 1% of the people who buy a PS3 strictly as a Blu-Ray player (and before that had no intention of playing a PS3 game) end up buying a PS3 game or two, that's more money in their pockets than if they had simply lowered the price of stand alone Blu-Ray players. It's a dishonest and shitty way of doing buisness, and I for one don't want to be a part of it.
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These EMA guys are off their nut. By 2012 gas will probably be $7.00/gl and the prohibitive cost of food/clothes/utilities will have Americans scrambling to find money to pay for the basics, let alone Blu-Ray discs.What the EMA should have said was that by 2012, Blu-Ray discs will surpass standard def discs in terms of being given out for free to reviewers and people that run movie news sites.
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Quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on the internet, if not the funniest thing I've ever read *anywhere* Holy shit!
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kirttrik, if I ever see you posting here on an AICN Talkback again, I'm going to remind you, and everyone else in there, what you said. I may even include a link to this very Talkback as proof of your sheer brilliance. Well done.
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My 2c - the other thing stores like to do is show stuff in supersmooth 100/120hz mode. Which is fine for video or text but makes movies which are 24fps look like cheap shit. Go look at some other sets, or to a proper av/hifi store.
Especially when these same movies can look better than DVD because they also have direct 24frame modes and don't have to do any 3:2 pulldown. Believe me (and Bytor), they CAN look awesome, and more authentically filmlike than before - and you're going to go on what you see at Best Buy?! What you're saying about the Kraken makes no sense, however. And of course CG cartoons look good - they can just go straight from digital to digital, and focus and amount of film-grain etc. isn't an issue.
Bytor, I posted that stuff about bandwidth and quality already, but shouldn't have wasted my time. Deaf bloody ears. -
You do know that Sony isn't the only manufacturer, right? Samsung, Panasonic, LG, and now the cheap Chinese companies are getting into the game. Sony can keep its prices up all it wants, but it doesn't have a monopoly.
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Excellent points about 100/120hz and whatnot. And yeah, I really don't know why I try in talkbacks. Bored, I suppose. :)
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isp are lookign to charge high users more, one comcast test is a buck per gig. so that will tack on atleast $10 to any download if it goes wide. I just want a non disk that is smaller and holds more.
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Criterion goes Blu-Ray in October. Bottle Rocket, Chungking Express, The 400 Blows, The Third Man, The Wages Of Fear and about ten others just in the initial offering. Film school goes HD.
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Pefect example of someone who bashes the technology without even knowing what they're talking about. To elaborate on what ByTor already said, the "real looking" effect that is being complained about is most likely being viewed from a LCD HDTV w/120hz. That 120hz function basicly gets rid of movie judder and smoothes everything out and thus causes the "picture window" effect. As mentioned, it can be turned off. Or there are other forms of technology that can be purchased without the 120hz such as DLP or Plasma. On these 2 technologies Blu Rays just look like a sharper version of what you would see at a movie theater. Thus you still get the film qualities (grain and judder) that you're used to.
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And did you see that Kino has announced that Metropolis is coming to Blu-Ray? Hell, yes.
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Didn't see your post...sorry to just repeat what you already said.
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DD for rentals. Bluray for purchases.
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Jun 27, 2008 12:27:31 PM CDT
I can't wait for theaters to project HD quality picture.
by knowthyself
I still consider theater going just a prelude to the more beautiful bluray version.
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= EPIC FAIL.
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and one, and only one, analyst's opinion. Let me hazard a guess, he's also a Sony stockholder. How about Sony losing over $3 billion dollars on PS3 in a year and a half. This analyst expects DVD home sales to expand, how about people downloading movie ? Like it or not, legally or illegally, downloading will pick away at DVD sales and this guy doesn't even acknowledge that.
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Seriously. You can rent an HD film for about 4 bux and start watching it about 15-20 min later depending on your bandwidth speed. You don't have to have a paid account with Live and with a CC on file it's a simple matter of clicking a button. Much more convenient than torrents, Netflix and certainly cheaper than buying a DVD. Also any TV show episode you download can be watched or downloaded for as long as you like.
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Just to clarify because anti-DD people don't seem to get this, Xbox live HD download times are much faster than you're used to with Torrents because these are direct, digitally compressed downloads that allow you to start the film after as little as 40% of it has been streamed to your HD.
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HD PORN
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PS3s were always being sold at a loss much like the PS2, Xbox 360 etc. etc. It was a result of their games division and one they purposely undertook and was necessary for PS3s to sell more and adopt blu-ray quickly. It worked! Sony will make their money back on games and blu-ray. And they'll continue to re-engineer PS3s to cut back on costs. Anyway PS3 did it's job and there'll be plenty of other stand alone players for those of you only interested in movies. But if you want to play games and check out some other cool sit then you can't get better than PS3.And there's another interesting point brought up here about Digital downloading. This summer Sony is going to launch a digital distribution service for PS3. So if you want HD blu-ray, movie downloads, DVD upscaling, DivX and Gaming PS3 is the way forward. But anyway it brings up a point where Sony Pictures may only have their stuff exclusive to their service. Don't expect to see Sony movies over Xbox LIVE. So it's likely companies will mor or less split up their products over different distribution methods so you'll probably have to deal with them all to get what you want... sort of like having to buy a Wii, a 360 and a PS3 to be able to play all he games available, I fear that's also going to be the same scenario with digital distribution which will just be a damn mess to deal with. I may put up with it for games, but I will never do that for movies...
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Let's take a look at what you're saying.
"[Xbox HD downloads are] certainly cheaper than buying a DVD." Well, sure. Not that that means anything. Renting one is cheaper, too. But I take your point that it's very convenient."Xbox live HD download times are much faster than you're used to with Torrents," -- well, maybe. Depends on your bandwidth, I suppose. "because these are direct, digitally compressed downloads," -- er, all video you download is digitally compressed. What I think you really mean is that they are HEAVILY compressed, and that's true. They also show it. An Xbox Live HD rental is very compressed, and a Blu-Ray movie -- or, heck, even an OTA transmission of a movie in 1080i or 720p -- looks much, much better. -
Internet service providers putting bandwidth caps on how much you can download. And given the size of HD downloads that means I will have to pay MORE for fucking internet services... and what happens if I want to watch something when it's 40% done and someone else needs to use the internet? I guess they can't because it'll be slow as fuck... I am not going to pay more a month for fucking internet. I'll save a fuck ton of money by simply going blu even at the prices they are now! Plus having a disc is simply more convenient and no waiting! Seriously I can walk to the store and buy this or rent that and come back before that thing is 20% done. And if blu-ray movies also come with a smaller copy of them to put on an iPod or PSP, then that's also fucking awesome! And oftentimes I do love to check out the special features and commentary!
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Not as big of a deal as you might think, considering the crap they usually shovel out every year. ;)
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I still record films of the telly,ads and all.
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Also 8 tracks rule.
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Good to see you man. I think Laser Discs rule all!
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How goes it Xi?
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Let me put it this way; it would have taken me about three days to DL There Will Be Blood HD(~7 gigs) using Bittorrent, on live I waited about 50 minutes for it to DL 45% to my HD and it let me start the film. This is using the same DSL line and the same modem. I'm not a Live fanboy, and I don't play games online. The only reason I hooked up Live to be able to watch recent Lost episodes in HD. Yea of course these are compressed more than Blueray, but they still look a hell of a lot better than standard upscaled DVD and they're soo much cheaper and more convenient than other HD alternatives. I'll certainly buy Blurays when I want something with archival quality but DD is where I'll go for everything else.
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If the company that owns Blu-ray is losing money on the main machine that's pushing Blu-Ray into homes, that doesn't bode too well for the format does it? It's basically everything or nothing from here, or they fail. They can't just sit back and move modest numbers of PS3s and software. I understand that Sony PS3 is in it for the longhaul (I'm guessing PS4 won't be coming out for a very long time), but if it doesn't catch on, they've really dropped the ball from where they were just a few years ago. And my guess is that the more the system gets stripped down to save money, the more defective products we'll get (harking back to the overheating PS1, PS2 with faulty laser alignment, and of course recently X-Box 360's red rings of death).
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That's a dead argument. It exists but with ISPs imposing caps soon, it'll die a quick death.It's been said many times here already (by myself and others) that on demand is where it's at. No waiting for the movie to come in and no bandwidth caps to worry about. I;ve never watched an HD on demand movie so I don't know if the compression compromises the picture quality, but who cares. Being able to call up a movie you don't own and haven't seen in years and watching it instantly as it streams in without having to go to the video store or wait 2 days for it to arrive via Netflix is the future.
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Whoever wins the format wars between DVDs, Blu-Ray, and downloads will be the one who lowers their price first.
And frankly, downloads are in the lead. Blu-Ray may have the advantage in quality, but now in price. Remember, laserdiscs were superior in quality, but they lost to VHS because of cost.
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When there were rumors that Spider-Man 3 was only going to be released on Blu-Ray in order to get people to trade formats for such a must own movie. I guess they decided to scrape that idea after watching the final print.
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Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does that mean that all L. Ron Hubbard downloadable HD content is going to PS3 also??????
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...Sit on my couch and click "purchase download" and wait 8 minutes? Netflix is the second best option but even that involves waiting at least two days.
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And torrent abuse has to stop in the long run or there will be no more new content to abuse. Once more companies get on the DD train I think ISPs will back down on throttling. Someone needs to get behind a dedicated HD DD device for home use, basically a stripped down Xbox Live service.
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That's about it. Movie collectors are going to stick with discs with all the extra features and whatnot.
Xbox Live HD movies are compressed and blocky on a large screen. It may work for some people but personally I'd rather pay less and rent Blu-Rays from Netflix.
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don't come with neat booklets. Especially when I buy a movie in a deluxe edition I want a neat booklet of some sort. Being able to download the files and print my own just wouldn't be the same, seeing as I don't have a color laser printer or equipment to perfect bind the larger books.
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I meant to say that is only part of the enjoyable packaging. I like packaging, though I know it's wasteful. DDs don't have that stupid adhesive security strip, though.
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i own both a blu-gay player and a HD-DVD player and still cant believe how much grain there still is on Blu-gay especially for new movies like Sweeney Todd!
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Some directors actually still prefer film stocks that have grain in them. Not all movies are supposed to look like a fucking video game, even new ones. And what does Blu-Ray being homosexual have to do with anything?
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All that grain you see was due to the fact that Sweeney Todd was shot on film. And film has GRAIN.
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Is that even though it was taken directly from the digital IP and therefore that's as close to the INTENTIONAL film grain as you'll get (more than the 35mm prints even), there's one horrible thing not many are talking about.
You can see why DNR to get rid of grain (and the important high-frequency detail discarded along with it) is the Devil's tool - in the SAME movie. Certain shots have 'smoothed out' the bridge of Depp's nose and cheeks and 'work' was also done to HBC. Fuckers. It's not like it's X3, and in this particular flick it actuallyt defeats the whole bloody purpose.
I'm boycotting Patton. DNR fuckers. That thing was 70mm so there wouldn't have been heavy grain anyway. But moron suits listening to moron talkbackers who say that 40 year old movies don't "look HD", - and plasticised bullshit is what you get. Grrrr.
Having said all that, and at 100+ BDs and counting, the format of the art in those fucking cases (a no-man's land between square music art and 1-sheet/dvd format art) is worse than even, eh, snapper cases. I feel so bad for the legends/graphic designers at Criterion. Talk about having to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear! -
Great, iTunes is the Number 1 music retailer. They sell more music than Best Buy does, then Circuit City does, then each other music store. But put all those big retail stores and independent music stores together and iTunes can't hold a candle to the total number of CDs still being sold.
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By the way, there are still many parts of the country where people still have to use dialup to connect to the Net because they live in too remote areas to get broadband. Are those people supposed to wait the 10 months to download a movie?
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Eventually Blu-Ray players and discs are going to drop in price, and then DVD players and discs will also drop in price. And they it won't be economically feasible for companies to keep making DVD players and DVDs, because they won't get the same profits. Then people will be forced to buy a Blu-Ray player for various reasons (their old DVD player broke, they wanted to upgrade on the features, etc.) And when there are suddenly fewer options available on DVD and Blu-Ray discs are $20, people are going to buy their movies on Blu-Ray. It's not rocket science, folks.As for digital download, the way some people talk about it, I have to wonder if they jerk off at home each night to the latest tech magazine. "Oh, terrabites! Oh yeah! Download services! Oh god! Oh god! Oh god! Blazing fast speeds! OHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"Also like how the digital download suppporters talk about the day when you can download a complete HD movie in under 10 seconds. Well, I can do that too. Imagine when we have teleporters. No more traffic. No more long road trips with screaming kids. Live in Ohio and want to vacation in Cancun. Punch the info on the screen, press the big green button and BAM. Welcome to Cancun. And I'll get to sleep in more, because the commute to work will take me under 10 seconds. Sweet! Also, holographic movies will rule!
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Eventually Blu-Ray players and discs are going to drop in price, and then DVD players and discs will also drop in price. And they it won't be economically feasible for companies to keep making DVD players and DVDs, because they won't get the same profits. Then people will be forced to buy a Blu-Ray player for various reasons (their old DVD player broke, they wanted to upgrade on the features, etc.) And when there are suddenly fewer options available on DVD and Blu-Ray discs are $20, people are going to buy their movies on Blu-Ray. It's not rocket science, folks.As for digital download, the way some people talk about it, I have to wonder if they jerk off at home each night to the latest tech magazine. "Oh, terrabites! Oh yeah! Download services! Oh god! Oh god! Oh god! Blazing fast speeds! OHHHHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"Also like how the digital download suppporters talk about the day when you can download a complete HD movie in under 10 seconds. Well, I can do that too. Imagine when we have teleporters. No more traffic. No more long road trips with screaming kids. Live in Ohio and want to vacation in Cancun. Punch the info on the screen, press the big green button and BAM. Welcome to Cancun. And I'll get to sleep in more, because the commute to work will take me under 10 seconds. Sweet! Also, holographic movies will rule!
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Only the PS3 loses money, Sony's stand alones as well as other companies are being sold at profit. YOu can expect to see stand alone players dropping in price below the PS3s and being sold at a profit. Even if Sony goes completely under plenty of other manufacturers will quickly step in. Blu-ray's establishment was dependant on Sony in light of competition from HD-DVD. But with them out fo the picture it's anyone's game. And the idea that PS3s being cheaper to manufacture causing hardware problems is simply FUD right now. So far we only know about the removal of PS2 hardware components (compromising backwards compatability) and it has caused no problems. Other than that shrinking the Cell not only cuts costs but also helps the machine run more efficiently.
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... has already been said. Further up. But glad you could join us! ;)
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That is the funniest thing I've read here all week. Gotta love talkbacker hyperbole! Well played, sir -- you have taken the field.
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Several of the trades are reporting that by the end of the year Toshiba is going to be releasing the pre-eminent upconverting DVD player, which from all accounts is going to be virtually identical to a true 1080p format. Their ability to do this comes from a brand new upconverting chip that nobody's got...I tell you what, that would be the biggest FUCK YOU that Toshiba could ever give Blu-Ray. I'll make my own judgement when I see one in action, but if this is true, and the price (as is being reported) falls between current DVD and Blu-Ray prices, then I'm sold. You guys seriously watch for this one - I think it's going to create another big paradigm shift.
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THEIR OWN SUPPORTERS. Remember HD-DVD? And now they're saying you don't NEED full 1080p? So what was all that bullshit for the last few years then? A nice fuck-you-very-much for everyone who supported them because apparently now you didn't need it after all! Which lie do we believe?
And let me get this straight, not only that but well, those upconverting players (both sd AND HD-DVD) aren't actually good enough after all. So let us charge you MORE for an upconverting SD player that's STILL an upconverting/line multiplying sd player, rather than just improving our products like you'd expect anyway with the regular price/feature balance. W.T.F.
Man you just swallowed and regurgitated that hype, didn't you Abin? Please, think a bit more about what Toshiba is actually saying. I'm not aiming my fury at you, just at those pricks. I admit I don't have too much patience for those who can't see through their transparent bullshit though, I'm sorry.
And let me lay it out for you. You know how a jpeg squishes your filesize down by choosing certain pixels and discarding the others? Then when the time comes to open it back up to 'full-rez', it takes those few pixels and averages them to guess at what was inbetween. So what you get is pretty good depending on the compression, but not a perfect reconstruction.
Now take that and apply it to this. You start out with one fifth/sixth of the pixels of 1080p. You make them the reference pixels and average out all the missing ones (with some admittedly very clever algorithms) until you have over 2 MILLION pixels. That's what we're talking about and is exactly why it can't possibly be 'as good as' the way Tosh are hyping. Upconverters, including the ones in SD players, HD-DVD AND BD/PS3s are all pretty great, but nope, they're all averaging their way up there. NOT the same as actual original information. And now we're supposed to pay a bit more for a slightly better version of what they already sold us? Being touted as a 'new' tech? Disingenuous fucking bastards, and as a former Tosh fan I can't bloody believe it. Surely we should EXPECT that upconverting gets better? Right?
You'd think that since losing the HD thing and even using the fucking CELL processor in so much of their new tech like the spurs engine and so on (yes I know the cell is more than just Sony's), there'd be a bit of HUMILITY!
But no, Toshiba are just wiping a big Dirty Sanchez all over their own customers' faces. Fuck them. I wish they didn't have that rapid-charge Lithium-Ion battery tech to fall back on. -
What's the bet that somewhere in the marketing for the 'new' upconverting tech, they try to spin the natural 'blurring' effect that happens through the averaging process into 'LESS GRAIN' (than true 1080p) and a "SMOOTHER, PRISTINE "HD" LOOKING PICTURE'.
I'll lay fucking money on it. Let's meet back here in a year or two, Goddamn it. Yes I'm steamed. -
Thanks for the information on how upconverting works. I knew it had to be throwing outside information into the mix, but I'd no idea how.
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