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Mr. Beaks Surrenders to HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY!

Just when it looked like Guillermo del Toro was about to enter his "mean" phase, along comes HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY to remind you that the man who broke your heart with PAN'S LABYRINTH has it in him to be the world's biggest sap. This is a quality worth celebrating. But beware: if del Toro earns the opportunity to payoff everything he's set up in this sequel, the HELLBOY trilogy is going to end like OLD YELLER. Until then, rejoice in the light melancholy of del Toro's best studio effort to date! Whereas HELLBOY succeeded despite the worst, homogenizing efforts of the studio (Sony), HELLBOY II flourishes because it feels like 100%, unadulterated Guillermo; true, he might be playing nicer than usual, but the monsters are still a thing of rare, grotesque, meticulously-designed beauty. As for the humans, they're either a bureaucratic hindrance (exemplified by Jeffrey Tambor's persistently flustered Manning) or just flat-out prejudiced against freaks. This dynamic is once again reminiscent of Bryan Singer's X-MEN movies, but Hellboy is much better company; unlike the angsty mutants (who mostly just want to be left alone), the hard-drinking, cigar-chomping, cat-loving agent of our eventual destruction eagerly craves the company of the flesh-and-bone other. That's why he uses every BPRD (Bureau for Paranormal Research and Defense) mission as an excuse to "accidentally" get caught out in public; if Manning and the government won't let him mingle with the people he's saving on a daily basis, he'll force their hand. After a bedtime story prologue which sets up the backstory of the Elven King who will eventually get betrayed by his power-hungry son (it only sounds convoluted; the John Hurt telling of the tale is beautifully enhanced by some Henry Selick-esque animation), del Toro thrusts the audience right back into the BPRD stronghold, where Hellboy and Liz are squabbling, Manning is Manning, and Abe Sapien (Doug Jones, who gets to voice his performance this time, and does it brilliantly) is listening to Vivaldi in his aquarium all by his lonesome. Right from the beginning, you can feel del Toro placing a greater emphasis on Abe; saddled with greater physical limitations than Hellboy, the erudite merman isn't about to go under-exploited for a second film in a row. That said, it's going to take some Barry Manilow and a shitload of Tecate to find the hopeless romantic buried under the scales. While this arc is deftly getting set up, del Toro rather bluntly tends to the main conflict of the narrative: Can Hellboy (and Liz and Abe for that matter) coexist with humans? After he allows himself to get blown through a high-rise window right onto a police car (in full view of a phalanx of television news cameras), H.B. has no choice but to find out whether the world is ready for him. At first, he's just a harmless object of ridicule - which Hellboy mostly loves (he's thrilled to see himself roasted on Jimmy Kimmel Live). But once that multi-dimensional troublemaker Prince Nuada (Luke Goss), aka the son of the aforementioned Elven king, starts unleashing gargantuan algae beasts (or something) on downtown Manhattan, Big Red realizes he must choose between the ungrateful bastards he's sworn to protect and the endangered creatures forced to do the bidding of a tyrant. Frustrating Nuada's attempts at Earthly dominion is his twin sister, Pincess Nuala (Anna Walton), who has absconded with a critical piece of the elf crown - which, when complete, will assemble the indestructible Golden Army. After rescuing her at the Troll Market (a creature f/x showcase that's a miraculous mix of practical and CG), Abe vows to protect Nuala at any cost; unfortunately, this means he'll cough up the last piece of the crown if he thinks it might save her life. Though the Hellboy-and-Liz relationship is even more compelling this time out, the soul of HELLBOY II is really Abe's schoolboy crush on Nuala. He's not only smitten with the princess, he's also somewhat jealous of Hellboy's bond with Liz; Abe desperately wants to connect with someone on that level, and he's willing to jeopardize the fate of the world for just a little more time with his true love. If Abe's the soul of HELLBOY II, the secret weapon is easily Seth MacFarlane's voicing of the officious ectoplasmic spirit, Johann Kraus. Stuck in an outfit that's half deep-sea diver, half-Mysterio, Kraus is obsessed with performing every task, no matter how menial, by the book. Essentially, Kraus is this film's non-banal, frighteningly German version of Agent Myers (whose absence is explained away with a single line of dialogue). While I'm no fan of FAMILY GUY, it's impossible to imagine anyone else nailing the voice of Kraus more palpably than MacFarlane. Del Toro's always had a thing for tragic romanticism, but he's careful not to let the downbeat destiny of seemingly every character detract from HELLBOY II's buoyancy of spirit. This is as big-hearted a superhero movie as I've seen since SPIDER-MAN 2 (thematically, del Toro is definitely on the same wavelength as Raimi), and it's a welcome respite when you've been bombarded with the dour duo of HANCOCK and WANTED in the same week. It's also a return to old-school Lucas/Henson world-creating in that many of the creatures inhabiting the other dimension are human actors lumbering about in makeup. Walking out of the movie, a friend of mine made the comparison I was afraid to voice for fear of hyperbole, but he was absolutely right: the Troll Market sequence is the modern-day equivalent of the Cantina in STAR WARS. It's a feast of weirdness that could've only be cooked up by Guillermo del Toro. Somewhere (probably over in England applying makeup to another del Toro), Rick Baker is very proud. (And it's so seamless, you have to wonder what went wrong with the kid Hellboy makeup at the very beginning of the film. Thankfully, this is del Toro's only major misstep.) For many, HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY will play like a warm-up to THE HOBBIT. That's all well and good, but now that del Toro's mastered his variation on Mike Mignola's universe, it'd be a shame if he never returned to it. Faithfully submitted, Mr. Beaks

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  • June 26, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    can i see t his one

    by mutombo

    without seeing the first? this one looks better

  • June 26, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Yes, mutombo

    by mrbeaks

    The Liz-Hellboy relationship might throw you (ditto the presence of John Hurt in the prologue), but it works fine as a standalone film.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Still not that excited.

    by Redfive!

    Del toro is best when its HIS ORIGINAL work,with others its just mediocre.I cant imagine it being any worse then the first Hellboy.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    hell yes

    by bacci40

    del torro was born to bring hellboy to the screen...and im glad he was allowed to make his vision this time...very good summer for movies

  • June 26, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    I'm excited!

    by Aloy

    Despite it's problems I loved HB1 and I'm really looking forward to HB2.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Its gonna be awesome

    by biffy88

    Enough said.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:19 a.m. CST

    people openly wondering

    by zapano

    who you are recently has clearly motivated you to produce some more pieces. i did not enjoy pan's labyrinth as much as most people. it was certainly very good but maybe not as deserving as the ludicrously over the top praise it received. the characters were mostly cardboard cut outs. this seems to be a bit more dynamic and interesting. I'm looking forward to this.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    THIS is my most anticipated movie of the summer!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Not TDK or what else is coming out.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Pondscum,

    by raw_bean

    I know what you mean when reviewers spend too much time on the details and the plot synopsis and fail to make it plain whether they're recommending the film or not, but I think: "Until then, rejoice in the light melancholy of del Toro's best studio effort to date!" was meant to mean 'go see it!'

  • June 26, 2008, 5 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, Jeremy...

    by Retlaw Kciuq

    You left the cynicism back at CHUD and brought the wit and charm to AICN. REJOICE, INDEED!

  • June 26, 2008, 5:09 a.m. CST

    You mean, Hellboy's going to get killed...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ...and then that fire-woman will give birth to an adowable wittwe skweeching wed baby demon with a deformed fist? Aw, how cute!

  • June 26, 2008, 5:34 a.m. CST

    I'm glad to hear so much positive buzz...

    by m_reporter

    ...regarding this movie, especially after the 1st one disappointed. I love Del Toro, and am a fan of Mignola's Hellboy comics. <p> Also nice review, glad to see Jeremy on AICN again.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm

    by 1st and only

    aww, cmon.IF you are a comic fan in general and particulary a fan of the hellboy comic theres NO way to like the 1st movie.I can understand non-fans enjoying the 1st movie for what it was but it completly missed the atmosphere, intelligence and tone of mike mignola's work.The relationship with hellboy and liz was completly mishandled.I really hated this movie.The description of this new hellboy sounds pretty bad(lots of one dimentional characters outside the main cast)and they got Abe completly wrong the 1st time round.I look foreward to seeing the actual reviews of this film b4 i get too excited...

  • June 26, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Good news

    by ProoferFromHell

    Sounds like a positive review. We really liked the first one and have been waiting eagerly for this one. I'm hoping for a midnight showing. Those always bring out the best fans.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Is this the Goss brother who needed his stomach....

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    ....pumped for sperm overdose? Jus wonderin.....

  • June 26, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST

    I disagree, 1st and only

    by bender7

    I am a Hellboy fan and enjoyed the first one a lot. I think it nailed the comic's look and feel more than any other recent comic book films. I'm a big Xmen and Spiderman fan as well but I don't think either of those film franchises nailed them as well as they could have. I think the story was a bit flawed in the first Hellboy. Him fighting the same monster over and over was boring, and I didn't think Rasputin really was that much of a villan. I think this film will have a lot more of the Hellboy feel, given the potential of the concept

  • June 26, 2008, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Excellent review.

    by Nordling

    I've been waiting to see this one all summer.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Guillermo's Midas touch is enough to entice me

    by Shub-Wankalot

    I'm so there for Hellboy 2, naysayers be damned.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Fantastic. And great news for the Hobbitt.

    by Yeti

    A sign of things to come?

  • June 26, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    I'm psyched to see this...

    by just pillow talk

    Me likey Del Toro...and as a "non-fan" of the comics, I liked the first one too.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    "100% unadulterated Guillermo..."

    by Finding Forrestal

    ...is EXACTLY what worries me. My problem with the first film was that the "del Toro" overshadowed the "Mignola." Now Beaks is saying the first film was only like 50% "unadulterated Guillermo" due to studio interference. If my math is correct, 100% means I'll hate HELLBOY II twice as much.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    Ass.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    For the record...

    by Finding Forrestal

    ...I think del Toro is hugely talented. I just don't care for his take on Hellboy.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    It Stinks It Stinks It Stinks

    by tomdolan04

    "Yes Mr Sherman, everything Stinks"

  • June 26, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    I'd like you to demonstrate how Pan's Labyrinth and Cronos prove your position.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    "overhyped hack"????

    by just pillow talk

    Pan's Labyrinth was fucking awesome. Unfortunately I've never seen Cronos, and it's not available on netflix (damn you netflix!).<p>Shit, a nice piece of ass or save the universe? <p>Nice piece of ass please.<p>So sayeth the CoC.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Kit Kittredge?

    by Curious_Jorge

    Fuck Hellboy II! I wanna see a Kit Kittredge review on AICN!

  • June 26, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    What, no anti-McFarlane rants yet?

    by jimmay

    It simply wouldn't be Aintitcool without at least twenty posts about how Family Guy is destroying the world.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Frozone

    by just pillow talk

    Yeah, I keep on meaning to check out The Devil's Backbone. I've added it to my queue (thanks for the reminder).

  • June 26, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Blade 2...

    by Mr. Profit

    Harry's review was over the top and rather infamous. But I saw Blade 2 with trepidation because I thought Blade was boring. Turns out that I enjoyed it very much. As far as popcorn action flicks go, Blade 2 was fun. It doesn't get enough credit for being a fun movie. And sure the CGI was a little over the top in some spots, but the final fight was good stuff. Too bad part 3 sucked. And as far as Guillermo being a "Hack". Are you fucking crazy? He has a vision and a fucking imagination. Moreso than most directors. And last I checked, Hacks waste a film's budget on bullshit. Guillermo can make a movie on a 65 million dollar budget look like it cost 150.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Mr. Profit

    by just pillow talk

    Blade 2 was great, by far the best in the trilogy.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Grear review

    by Darth Thoth

    Now I'm even more excited to see this film!

  • June 26, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Sorry, don't see how anything he's done

    by just pillow talk

    is plastic and artificial. How so? Pan's Labyrinth did not, nor did I think Blade 2. I haven't seen Mimic in a long time, but I can't really remember what the creatures exactly looked like.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    the movies aren't Mignola ENOUGH

    by zom-bot.com

    ...i still like them, but i never thought del toro grasped the mignola storyboard direction style, or real depth of mythos. hearing hellboy on jimmy kimmel live- a horrible premise that will date this movie years from now- makes me sadder. but if mignola approves it all, i can't complain.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Just saw Spiderwick Chronicles

    by Series7

    And it looks like half of that (goblin) cast got a role in this movie.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    HELLBOY

    by Underoos Hero

    I'm a fan of the little Mexican Del Toro. The first Hellboy was just "alright" for me. But I am definately interested in seeing part 2. Pan Lab convinced me of that. Now bring on some Hobbits.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Hobbits resemble Mexicans

    by Underoos Hero

    Did you ever notice that?

  • June 26, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Cast middle earth with Mexicans....

    by Underoos Hero

    The Shire's grounds would be well maintained that's for sure.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • June 26, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Wow, you write really well Beaks

    by godzillasushi

    Can't wait to see it! The one thing the first lacked was the action and the trailers for H2 alone have more of it.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    God Blade 2 was awesome

    by Series7

    Harrys reivew of the movie was flawless. I didn't dig Hellboyz that much though. I think the story was all over the place and the action just didn't click with me. God really I can't stand to think or talk about any other movie right now I just really want to see Wall-E. I wonder how many people will be at the midnight showing tonight?

  • June 26, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    God Blade 2 was awesome

    by Series7

    Harrys reivew of the movie was flawless. I didn't dig Hellboyz that much though. I think the story was all over the place and the action just didn't click with me. God really I can't stand to think or talk about any other movie right now I just really want to see Wall-E. I wonder how many people will be at the midnight showing tonight?

  • June 26, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by just pillow talk

    Um, okay. For me, it matters not if the story is redundant, but how that story is told. I thought Del Toro did an excellent job with Pan's. <p>And I still fail to see how Pan's looked plastic and artificial. <p>So if you think his movies are "cheesy", may I ask what director do you like? What movies are in your "good department"?<p>And why are you so whiny and negative? "cynical cunt father"...wow.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    I'll pass.

    by Lucasblows

    First one was boring and the ending very anti-climactic with that tentacle/plant/whatever thing.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    *eyeroll*

    by dingus khan

    anyone trouncing del toro should be bludgeoned to death with a claw hammer because your opinion is vastly different than mine. del toro is great. disagreeing with me will only get you murdered. (this is how these talkbacks SHOULD be run)

  • June 26, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Damn You MCMLXXVI

    by TheyCallMeMisterBay

    Damn You MCMLXXVI

  • June 26, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Looks like Xyzzy80...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...decided to take a hike when asked to motivate his opinions. <p> What a tool. <p> WhinyNegativeBitch is another one.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by just pillow talk

    What "real" movies do you watch?<p>And who says it Pan's was supposed to be a kid's movie? Why the hell would you ever think that? And gee, the ultra-violence was shown so that you would realize why the girl would want to escape to her fantasy world. So she doesn't qualify as a real character?

  • June 26, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    There opening night.

    by HoboCode

    Cannot wait!

  • June 26, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    go troll about another website not full of "man-children," if you are so far above the common denominator of AICN.

  • June 26, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Is it just me or has the return of Mr. Beaks...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...elevated the quality of this site by a couple of notches? It feels like someone has started pumping good blood back into AICN's heart.<P>Good review, Beaks. Well done.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Blade 2 is an action masterpiece.

    by HoboCode

    It's thematically different from the first film in the extreme so it was intially disappointing to me but on further watches it is far and away the best of the trilogy.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    my only issue with HB2

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    is that its gonna get blown away at the box office by TDK the next weekend. it essentially has only one weekend to make its money, and that doesn't bode well for the next installment.<p>i might go see it the day Bats comes out, just so i can sit in the theater all by myself and talk to Ron and Selma(sp?) without getting shouted at.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    And Pan's is a motherfucking magnum opus for del Toro.

    by HoboCode

    Anyone who doesn't see that must be dumb as rocks or just have piss poor taste.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Glad you took that bait, Xyzzy80...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...so that everyone can see what a complete and utterly tasteless moron you are.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Do you like digging holes? Cause the one you're working on now is a masterpiece of bullshit.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    The reason the characters are portrayed in what you consider to be one-dimensional fashion is because the story is to a large extent viewed through a child's sensibilities. <p> If anyone is too one-dimensional and myopic here, it's you. Apparently, the blending of child-like fantasy elements and a more adult storyline is confusing and disturbing to you. I find it hilariously ironic that you claim to be wanting more complex characters and stories when it's those very things which have thrown you into a petulant and cretinous state.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    hellboy:pan's labyrinth 2

    by chainsaw1974

    all the creature look like left overs fron pan(great movie by the way)im surprised he didnt go a little more mignolaish like give hellboy white eyes.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    so its the "you're movies suck, but i won't tell you what i like" routine?<p>alright. i guess we'll just continue thinking you are a dumb ass troll without a real point to make, just stirring the pot.<p>which gives us something to do when we should be working, so thanks.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Only cooked up by Del Toro?

    by jackietheblade

    We are still remembering Stan on the front page and no shout out. Rick Baker is great...but damn thats brutal.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    adult concept in Pan's:

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    the fact that this girl's world is so fucked up and violent that her fantasy world, where any other kid goes to escape reality, is just as fucked up and violent.<p>i can't remember seeing that anywhere else and its a pretty bad ass, adult concept.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    According to Xyzzy80

    by palinode

    Lawrence of Arabia is just a bunch of assholes walking around a desert. Man, David Lean was such a douchebag. He just piled on scenes of things happening and had actors talking and doing stuff. And if we disagree we can all go play with our Peter O' Tooles.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by just pillow talk

    One such as yourself shouldn't fear what others think of your movie choices.<p>Now then, what moves do you deem of good quality and not pander to us poor 12 year olds? <p>You never know, I may agree with your choices. However, you come across as a drippy little whore who thinks they have a higher opinion than everyone else.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 there are so so so many adult concepts

    by g-ride9000

    1. the struggle between marriage and child rearing<P><P>2. The idea of socialism being something to fight for (no my thing but none the less Adult)<P><P>3. A Real War drama is not for kids<P><P>I'm not going site my more examples but if you think pan's labyrinth is simple well look in the mirror sunshine, cause that shit peels back like a ripe onion

  • June 26, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Yeah, and according to Xyzzy80...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...Lawrence went to Arabia because his world is phony and boring. But his escaping to a far off, exotic place is "not enough by far to qualify someone as a real character. It's just a motivation, nothing more."

  • June 26, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 may I intrest you in a michael bay film

    by g-ride9000

    Pearl Harbor sir, it is paired exquisitely with Cheetos and red bull. BON APPETITE!

  • June 26, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 = Jeff Albertson

    by just pillow talk

    If not, very disgustingly similar.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Long as it's better than the first Hellboy

    by samizdat

    I know I wasn't the only one disappointed by that film, but still, it's good to hear that this is a del Toro that's been let off his muzzle. Man, there was so much wasted potential in that first one. Mostly, it felt like their edit-hungry mania really threw off the pacing.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    xyzzy80

    by dingus khan

    you are spitting venom. what's with the personal assaults? it's not our fault you have shitty taste in movies.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    "if your opinion is valuable?"

    by g-ride9000

    who the fuck are you Xyzzy80? The Fedral Reserve of opinions. Hey I like the movie "An Accidental Tourist" how much is that worth Allan Greenlight?

  • June 26, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80, it's really not a hard question to answer

    by just pillow talk

    I want to know what movies meet your criteria of good. Why is that "playground shit"?

  • June 26, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    again,

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    calling us idiots doesn't prove your point.<p>and who called Del Toro the new Kubrick? we just like his movies and wonder what, pray tell, could be so much move stimulating and enlightening while maintaining the entertainment value of his films.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 address my list of adult concepts

    by g-ride9000

    all of them, now bitch!

  • June 26, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    You're nothing but a trollish hater asshole like moviemack. He, too, was asked to provide examples of what he considered to be "good" movies after doing nothing but hating on every single movie ever discussed in here. Like you, he evaded the issue. If anyone in here is on a twelve-year-old's level it's you. You can dish it out but you're far too sensitive to open yourself up about anything except what you hate. Telling us what you like puts YOU in the position of defending something, which is simply too difficult for you to do. <p> You're the very definition of "loser".

  • June 26, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 type faster bitch

    by g-ride9000

  • June 26, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    "mostly to sell toys."

    by DocPazuzu

    Yeah, I love my Spanish Fascist Officer action figure with wine bottle, face-smashing, arm action. <p> You fail again.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Was able to see an advanced screening last night

    by stinkyfingerz

    And this movie was surprisingly awesome! I was no fan of Hellboy 1 (but that may have been more of the studios fault than del Toro's), but this movie was so much more than I thought it would be. When del Toro is given free reign to do whatever he wants, he is capable of making one badass flick! Favorite movie of the summer thus far.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    equating Bay and Del Toro?

    by just pillow talk

    For real?

  • June 26, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu, does it have the wife beater action grip?

    by g-ride9000

    you crack me up dude!

  • June 26, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    xyzzy80...

    by dingus khan

    ...could use a stiff drink, a deep tissue massage, and a swift kick in the face. you communicate like you have a bear trap on your leg and a cathater spill on your lap.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I like my Mercedes figure with stabbing action!

    by just pillow talk

  • June 26, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    JPT he went there

    by g-ride9000

    I made a joke, to try and catch him in this ludicrous comparison...there simpleton fell right in...talk about one dimensional.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Action figure.

    by HoboCode

    My live drift wood fetus sitting in spoiled rotting bowl of milk is on my shelf at home. Actually...do they make those?

  • June 26, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    The Fiddler on the Roof-gay

    by g-ride9000

    Xyzzy80's list-gay<P><P>writing hehe only twice-gay

  • June 26, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    wow, was that so hard Xyzzy80?

    by just pillow talk

    It makes you a very puzzling person, that's what it makes you. It's perfectly fine to not like Del Toro's movies, but to call him a hack? Totally unjustified.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80, what did you think of The Devil's Backbone?

    by HoboCode

    Just out of curiosity.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Does this movie have an actual ending?

    by gruntybear

    Unlike, say, the first, that just peters out for no apparent reason.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 we are saying Pan's L is adult nothing else

    by g-ride9000

    so what if there are hellboy toys. PL is for grown ups, admit it. Even if you don't like it....it aint for the little ones.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    hobo

    by tomdolan04

    I'm sure theres a market lol

  • June 26, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    xyzzy80

    by dingus khan

    what's a film in the same vein as "pan's labyrinth" that you recommend?

  • June 26, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Wow...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that's the safest list I have ever seen. I'm sure your music and book collection looks the same. <p> I'd love to see the shit in your attic -- you know, the stuff you're afraid folks might judge you on.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Devil's Backbone.

    by HoboCode

    It's i nthe same vain as Pan's . Also by del Toro. You might prefer it. More of a ghost story though.

  • June 26, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    I found a review in there somewhere, I think

    by theredtoad

    This is more like a plot summary. If I wanted that, well I'd rather just see the movie.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    The Fiddler on the Roof?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Uh, really? What, was The Sound of Music just a tad too mainstream? Rickey views your list of favorite movies and mediocre and bland.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 line number four in list of reasons:::::->

    by g-ride9000

    Cause my list sucks and I'm a opinionated twat that talks shit he can't back up.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    g-ride agrees with ricky

    by g-ride9000

  • June 26, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    all blades suck

    by g-ride9000

    so does that horrible list.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    the 1971 Fiddler?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Yeah, sorry no. It's not that great a movie. It aint all that faithful to the broadway original as far as how it depicts the lives of jews. The movie presents their lives as being lush and comfortable and it downplays the precarious nature displayed in the original stage production. Admit it: you just like the 1971 Fiddler because it was made by the same guy who did "The Thomas Crown Affair." You're a sad & shallow man.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    This is the modern day cantina

    by MightyOs

    ...a feast of weirdness that only Del Toro can cook up. That doesn't actually make any sense. Pretty sure Lucas must have cooked it up as well.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    G ride

    by toadkillerdog

    Come on, the first two Blade movies were great. The third one well and truly sucked rotten cabbage though.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    An Rickey's not sure where you get off talking about Blade

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey's not exactly a big fan of vampire superheros either. But Rickey doesn't put together pretentious bullshit lists of movies with the hopes of impressing others as to how well rounded he is. Rickey takes the high art with the low.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Rickey

    by toadkillerdog

    Fiddler is good only because Dr. Zarkov is in it.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    This review is very telling, good work.

    by 11ZOMBIES

    There is no denying that GDT is an interesting director. "The Devil's Backbone" is an incredible film, praiseworthy in all respects. His subsequent works have all arrived with varying levels of quality, but never approaching the creative success of "Backbone". Then you get to Hellboy. All of those above that have stated that there is too much GDT and not enough Mignola in the film are right on the money. The movie version of Hellboy is overblown, overdesigned, and over the top. Mignola's comic is subtle, minimalistic, and subdued. On top of it all, GDT has the characters- which are laughingly often refered to as being "So true to the comic!"- in ridiculously clichéd situations, with ridiculous clichés in place of any real human characteristics. Hellboy and "Liz" in love? Now Abe has some "puppy love" crush too? I won't even get started on Johann.... "Half-Mysterio"? That made my heart hurt a little bit. Can't wait for GDT to go do The Hobbit, I won't have to endure Hellboy 3 ads for at least ten years.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    i agree with Rickey.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    why are you waisting your and our time on this site, Xyzzy80, if that is truly your list of favorite movies?<p>go to filmsnob.com, or any other site.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    highlight the word if

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    in above.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Aw, don't give up Xyzzy80..

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey's just seen too many goddamned productions of Fiddler to really be blown away by the 1971 version. But hey, if it' the kind of sort of movie that makes you want to dress up like Hodel from “Fiddler on the Roof” and wet your burlap panties with vicarious excitement, then that's cool. Rickey won't judge.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    All that list shows is what I knew about you as soon as you touched your keyboard with those fetid digits -- namely that you only profess to like movies which have miles of words in the form of academic prose written to defend them and uphold their value as cultural canon. <p> It also shows how narrow your tastes are and therefore how incapable you are of passing judgment on genre films.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by just pillow talk

    The fact that you automatically equate anyone who enjoys Del Toro films to "childish fanboys" is a pathetic attempt to distance yourself from everyone else with your "superior" movie viewing.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    i would have loved Justin Timberlake

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    to have played Anakin. at least then we would have been prepared for a spoof and not expecting something special.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Del Toro: World's Biggest Softie

    by Larry of Arabia

    It's what puts him head and shoulders above all the other horror/fantasy directors out there. Modern horror directors like to say that they look at their movies as elaborate morality plays, but they really just want to shock and inflict pain in movies constructed like puzzle boxes (Saw, Final Destination). They are more focused on the kill than the person. Del Toro knows that real horror comes from the morality of people. His outer grotesques reflect the inner souls of the people around them, and the good people in his stories are truly good people. In Saw, who do you cheer for? In Hostel, how can you get behind the protagonists. In Funny Games or The Strangers the grotesques - in those cases people - generally reflect nothing but this odd sense of "something in society." Those movies lack the heart needed to get behind the people being needlessly tortured. Del Toro's heart is on his sleeve and that's why he's head and shoulders above anyone out there. He loves his characters, and, I believe, people in general. The other directors see them as plot points.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Very Cool, more so then TDK

    by j2talk

    Now this is a film I am looking forward too, more so than TDK as I expect it to truely suprise me, rather than simply meet or let down my expectations...

  • June 26, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Did you just refer to me as "The Rickey"?

    by Rickey Henderson

    It's just plain Rickey, thanks. Less time spent watching 70's intellectual circle jerk films and more time watching baseball would do wonders for you.<br> <br> Look, if you're going to assess a movie based on the volume of academic literature written about it than you have no business whatsoever being on AICN. Rickey has taken his far share of film classes too cupcake, and Rickey can certainly appreciate intelligent & ephemeral movies. But you know what? When Rickey wants to take Ms. Henderson out for a night of fun, he doesn't go to the fucking library and pour over reams of peer reviewed academia. Rickey goes to the local theater and catches a movie. Rickey advises that you do the same.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by just pillow talk

    And you referring to everyone as being "Peter Pan syndrome losers" or telling someone that "I know you are probably 12" does NOT help any sort of argument you have NOR make you seem any less of a uptight ass.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    oh, and Xyzzy80

    by just pillow talk

    Rickey refers to himself in the 3rd person cause that's what the real Rickey Henderson (aka stolen base king) did.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    my bad, Xyzzy80.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    were you making points?<p>and here i was trying not to insult you and made an off topic post.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I liked Labrynth

    by zer0cool2k2

    and Legend (the Tom Cruise movie with Tim Curry as "the Devil" *actually Darkness*). <p> I also liked Pan's Labrynth quite a bit. Guess I'm retarded

  • June 26, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    And Xyzzy80...

    by Rickey Henderson

    When Rickey saw Pan's Labyrinth in the theaters, the crowd was mostly mature middle aged adults. There wasn't a dude sitting next to Rickey dressed up like Darth Maul. There were no chest bumping fat kids. No action figures were carred into the theater. It was a nice adult night out at the movies. And why wouldn't it be? Contrary to what you're blathering about, Pan's Labyrinth has adult themes: the loss of childhood innocence, political upheaval, mankind's relationship with nature and the unknown, etc. Stop trying to paint anyone who liked this movie as a man-child, it's getting stale.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    zer0cool2k2

    by just pillow talk

    Did you get your Pan's Labyrinth special helmet? It's for all the 12 year old fanboys, cause ya know, Del Toro just does movies for the toys.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Rickey is my favorite TBer with Al Swearengen a close second.

    by HoboCode

  • June 26, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    JPT

    by zer0cool2k2

    I DID get my special helmet, but it won't fit over the helmet I wear every day to keep me from hurting myself. I just put it on a shelf beside my "Bashed in face guy" action figure. The rest of my toys, I keep in my "giant talking Frog carrying case".<p> BTW, Rickey Henderson, did you just advise Xyzzy80 to take Mrs. henderson out for a night of fun? Can I get in on that?

  • June 26, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Rickey actually said 'Me' in referring to himself

    by toadkillerdog

    In the subject header. Just thought I would point that out. <p> Helpful Stan

  • June 26, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Hans Solo

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    automatically looses you any sort of credibility in this crowd.<p>its Han. i let it go as a typo before, but its just Han.<p>just so you know.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Man, I am looking forward to this one

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    This may be unrealistic, but I have my fingers crossed for Blade II, Pan's Labyrinth and the best parts of Hellboy all smooshed together to make some enjoyable action/fantasy/adventure gubbins. That is what I would like to see from this Hellboy II.<p>On the subject of Xyzzy80, I say thank the gods for intellectual insecurity. There would be far fewer hilariously pointless elitists on these boards without it. Keep up the good work, Xyzzy80.<p>Oh, and hello to the pillow man. Have you seen The Incredible Hulk yet?

  • June 26, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    zer0cool2k2

    by just pillow talk

    I'd advise you to put it in a special glass case. Don't want that puppy to lose value!<p>Xyzzy80, why such focus on Han Solo? Are you still mad about the whole "who shot first" scene? <p>Let it go...

  • June 26, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Rickey Henderson

    Yeah, sometimes Rickey likes to break down the fourth wall and post in the first person. Certain situations call for it.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    hey Frankie...

    by just pillow talk

    Nope, haven't caught The Incredible Hulk yet. I've run some white pants through the wash with colors hoping to get the right purple so that I can go to the theater in "proper attire" to see the Hulk in.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80, you're nothing special.

    by TheLastCleric

    Just another pedantic asshole trying to add inches to his dick with big words wrapped around small, narrow ideas. I get so tired of reading the posts of poser-elitists with their thesarus-infused diatribes, trying to act as if they occupy some intellectual high ground. Get a life and do it soon, please.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    pan's labyrinth...

    by dingus khan

    ...(which is what people are saying is good...not blade 2) is CLEARLY not a children's movie. i'm not trying to insult you, xyzzy80, so please don't hurl turd after turd at me, i'm just saying, if you watched that movie and said, "wow, what a terrible children's movie." then you missed the the point. it's not the movie for you, that's fine. but, don't wipe your ass with it and then smear it in our faces. cuz that's just picking a fight simply to fight. right?

  • June 26, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    See, now I know you own white pants

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That is information you want to keep to yourself, jpt. White pants indeed. Besides, us seasoned Hulk impersonators wear stretchy purple cycling shorts at all times, in case of rampaging emergencies.<p>On a related note, my buddy Leroy Palestine turned up to Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull in a full Indy outfit he had cobbled together. Hat, leather jacket, a whip made of rope, the whole thing. He looked a proper douche, which was kind of embarrassing but also allowed the rest of us to mock him mercilessly for the rest of the day. He's a good guy is Leroy, but he does ask for it...

  • June 26, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Rickey

    by toadkillerdog

    I do understand - but I was unprepared. It sent shock waves through my well ordered universe. If Orcus ever does that - well, I just might not recover. <p> Pillow, try pomegrante - or however it is spelled, juice. Trust me.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I wish Rickey Henderson

    by Series7

    Was as funny a TB'er as he is at stealing bases. <P> Anyway I just hope the actors drank some Amped before they filmed this movie, I've thought about it and that was my biggest problem with the first one, that everyone just kind of seemed bored/didn't care. I mean Ron Perlman probably had to be up fuck early in the morning every day to get make up done. But he should be used to that. Plus that one actress, from Cruel Intentions, just isn't a very good actress either. She ALWAYS seems bored/bitchy.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    LastCleric

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i do so love the word pedantic.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Frankie

    by toadkillerdog

    I have heard that Hulk impersonators keep a full scale replica of the Hulkbuster base in their basements. Is this True?

  • June 26, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Series 7

    by toadkillerdog

    That is her schtick. She always comes across as being bored. I do not think she will have much of a career with that act though. It gives her zero sympathy.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Frankie, it's always good to have a friend who can

    by just pillow talk

    be made fun of. And stretchy shorts don't count as proper Hulk attire.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I now await the Rapture.

    by Darksider

    Guillermo del Toro has yet another film. Another "perfect" film that will be so great, that it will make no money like his other films. Good luck taking on THE DARK KNIGHT the following week. :D

  • June 26, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    A replica Hulkbuster base is essential, toad

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Otherwise, you're reduced to smashing the shit out of offices, public libraries and supermarkets. Not that it's not fun to smash the shit out of those things, but the police and/or the army usually end up involved, and those bastards are always chasing you with helicopters and shooting rockets and whatnot at you even when you are just trying to quietly contemplate some lichen in the desert.<p>By the way, they showed the Ang Lee Hulk on ITV the other day, and I have to admit it's not as bad as I remembered it being. Still a little dreary and serious for my taste, but it has some worthwhile moments. Nick Nolte is hilarious, and the action scenes are pretty well handled.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    xyzzy80

    by dingus khan

    if you're the only one left fighting...does that make you the winner...or... ...

  • June 26, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    I caught some of Ang Lee's Hulk on sci-fi

    by just pillow talk

    a few nights ago or so, and I found it to be quite uninteresting. Perhaps it's because I caught it halfway through, but from what I saw, it's still only an "okay" movie for me.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    true, i don't get it.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    because there is nothing to get. not from you.<p>and do yo really not know the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek, or was that bait?<p>peace out, suckers, i've got a half day today.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    "This is just endlessly funny."

    by godzillasushi

    For the rest of us at least...pretty much.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Nice work Beaks...

    by morGoth

    ...and good to see The Soul Man back at AICN. I had planned on seeing this anyway but now you've convinced me it's a must see. Bring on the Hobbit!

  • June 26, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80= M-o-M

    by Lost Jarv

    with a working translation engine. <P>One thing, as much as I'm enjoying this TB- they were fascists in Pan's Labrynth not socialists. Although you can argue that the local peasants were socialists. Carry on.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Funny you should say that

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    When I saw it the other day I missed the first forty minutes or so, and that improved things quite a bit for me. That is a film that takes an age to get going. Still, I really liked that stretch where Hulk escapes from the army base, fights a bunch of tanks and whatnot in the desert, then falls off a plane and wrecks up a San Francisco street. Pretty good.<p>Terrible ending, though. Just awful.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I caught it when he hulks out and leaves

    by just pillow talk

    the ceiling crumbling a bit around daddy. And then of course I witnessed the hulk poochies, which wasn't too bad an action scene (poodle and all). Oh, and I don't know how Josh Lucas survived the first encounter with the Hulk at Banner's house. Dude should have been broken in half thrown around like that.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Frankie

    by toadkillerdog

    Yes, I can see how the authorities would get involved when you Hulk out in a supermarket or shopping center. And it must be damned inconvenient to have rockets launched at you while trying to sip a latte at the starbucks you just demolished because the Barista gave you a Mocha at first. <p> Ang Lees Hulk is not horrible. But it is not a superhero flick either. And I have said this before, if he had just made a movie about a father and son having some issues, well that is fine. Call it the Banner Boys. But when he, and other auteur or wannabe auteurs get invloved with a superhero project, they ignore the reason the movie is being made in the first place: Action Adventure. Not introspective character development, with a dollop of adbentute thrown in. That beong said, when Hulk was doing is thing in the deserrt, it was great, The CG was much better than the recent movie - the money really shows. But the recent delivers the goods far better than Angs. I think it is fine to enjoy the Ang version, just do not call it a true Hulk movie.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    How would you have ended Hulk though?

    by godzillasushi

    I can't imagine a better ending for that particular story personally. Bad stories have bad endings. At least it's not a bad movie.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I liked Pan's Labyrinth...

    by morGoth

    ...guess that makes me a childish fanboy too. Lawks, I even liked BladeII! Pardon me while I get my diaper changed.<p>The only thing I didn't care for in HBI was the Lovecraftian monster at the very end...too much of the "squishy CGI" that makes my gutty-wuts go kerfloop. Other than that, I really enjoyed it.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    So many typos in that last post - I need a translator machine

    by toadkillerdog

    I meant adventure not adbentute. <p> Hola Jarv

  • June 26, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I hope...

    by somethingcool

    Kroenen (spelling?) is in this one or someone who acts like him.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure how to end it, godzillasushi

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Watching the film the other day, it felt like things came to a natural conclusion when Betty confronted Hulk in San Francisco and he shrank back into Banner again, but then there's a kind of second ending where Banner confronts his dad. It just feels off, structurally. Also, the fight between Banner and Daddy gets a little too abstract for me, but maybe that's a taste thing.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Fucking hell

    by Lost Jarv

    Note to self. <P>Read TB before posting something stupid. <p>Sorry. I'm a dumbass

  • June 26, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by Lost Jarv

    G-ride referred to socialists. I've got my liberal fascist meter set to ultra sensitive. I fucked up. <P>

  • June 26, 2008, noon CST

    Hola TKD

    by Lost Jarv

    Ang Lee's hulk was shit. Why are we still arguing about this

  • June 26, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Jarv

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I brought it up because it was fresh in my mind thanks to the wonders of ITV.<p>I didn't think it was that bad, actually. Not one of my favourite comic book adaptations, but it wasn't nearly as awful as I remembered it being.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    blame it on Frankie (points finger across the web)

    by just pillow talk

    I of course didn't help by also stating that I caught some of it as well. It's Transatlantic. And on that note Frankie, in case you haven't seen it, check out Papillon.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by just pillow talk

    Definitely, Maybe is on its way from the Netflix warehouse. Will arrive shortly.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Cheer Jarv

    by toadkillerdog

    I was thinking aboutE ngland the other night - I watched Helen Mirren in The Queen. Fabulous job. Have you seen that movie? Charles comes across as a whiny and spineless. Phillip coems across at the ultimate out of touch Elitist snob. At least the Queen was humanized - if a bit cold. Is that how it is perceived for real in the U.K?

  • June 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Are you kidding?

    by Sir Not

    "they ignore the reason the movie is being made in the first place: Action Adventure. Not introspective character development, with a dollop of adbentute thrown in." Fuck that. I want my comic book movies to have a story and three dimentional characters. If all I want is POW! BIFF!! I'll watch Dolph Lundgren's Punisher. If you think comics are all about action, you haven't read one in a long long long time. Or you're a fan of the hacks from the 90s. You think Frank Miller's stories are without character introspection? Or Alan Moore's? Peter David's? Please. The best comics are all about the characters and the worst are the mindless slobberknockers.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    LONG LIVE ANG LEE'S HULK.

    by HoboCode

    The tide is beginning to turn. Second viewings are an eye opener sometimes aren't they?

  • June 26, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Papillon is an excellent film, jpt

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm not usually a big Steve McQueen guy, but I like that film a lot. Dustin Hoffman is great in it, too.<p>By way of recommending something similar, I'd go for Cool Hand Luke, which is one of my all time favourites. I fucking love that film. I'm sure you've seen it (who hasn't?), but otherwise you should check it out.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Keep it quiet, HoboCode

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    You will anger Jarv, and he is easily angered.<p>You don't want to get called a cunt, do you?

  • June 26, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Not for me node

    by just pillow talk

    It's still just an okay movie for me. When I eventually catch the current incarnation of the Hulk, I'll be able to compare/contrast the two. <p>For me, I was never into the Hulk. I was always a Spidey/Avengers/X-men/Cap guy.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    It's sappy and light?

    by MasterBateman

    That sounds lame. I was really excited about the trailer; it looked really dark and fucked up. Mr. Beaks needs to chill out on the bombardment of adjectives and flowery language and actually review the fucking movie.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    This is true,

    by Lost Jarv

    You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. <P>Anyhoo- horses for courses and all that. <P>The Queen is good, but has NOTHING on the magnificense of the mighty This is England- everybody should watch that.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    the Troll Market

    by oisin5199

    Sounds like a bit of influence from Del Toro's buddy, Neil Gaiman. I know Gaiman and his daughter visited the set. But that's a collaboration I'd love to see. Can you imagine Del Toro's take on the Dreaming? Holy hell, that'd be fantastic. If anyone does a Sandman-verse movie (Death:HCoL?), it's gotta be Del Toro. Oh, and I can't remember the last time someone didn't get it as badly as Xyzzy80. Wow. Pan's obviously went waaay over his head. I will give him Fiddler on the Roof, though. One of the best film adaptations of a musical, in my opinion.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Cool Hand Luke is the shit

    by Lost Jarv

    Pistols at dawn with any cunt that thinks otherwise,

  • June 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Ok isn't this kinda pointless???

    by rogueleader66

    This endless argument between Xyzzy80 and everyone else?? We always defend our right to our opinions, even though we may not all agree, but these personal attacks are getting crazy. I'm not defending Xyzzy in any way, because he does come across as thinking he is better than us all because of his taste in films, but that doesn't even matter, It's clear that the argument is going nowhere, so why not just end it? On the subject of Hellboy II, I really enjoyed the first one, and this one looks like it might be even better. Oh and just for the record, I am a over 40 father of 3, not some little fanboy who dresses like Han Solo or anyone else, just a movie fan who likes a lot of different kinds of movies. I am tired of people assuming that everyone here is a nerdy 12 year old fanboy, that is a broad statement and I personally do not appreciate it.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Cool Hand Luke is indeed great

    by just pillow talk

    I may need to eventually rent that again as I haven't seen it in ages. I just watched the Seven Samurai again. I still feel a bit mixed with that film, as I feel it's still longer than it should have been. I realize it takes its time so you get to know the samurai, and I think they do a great job, but it still drags a bit for me. And the final battle, I don't know, didn't feel like they were ever in any real danger. It's surprising that the bandit buffoons could kill anyone.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hellboy = Best Comic Movies ever

    by nutnics

    Fuck all the haters.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Anyone seen Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    This is a Dustin Hoffman/Zach Helm-related side note. I saw Stranger Than Fiction not too long back and I liked it, so I was keen to see what this Zach Helm got up to next, but when I was pondering the DVD box for Magorium the other day I couldn't bring myself to rent it. It just looks... I don't know... crap.<p>Maybe that's not fair, but my £3.95 is precious to me and I haven't seen No Country For Old Men yet, so is Mr Magorium worth a look?

  • June 26, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    rogueleader66

    by just pillow talk

    Your last sentence pretty much sums up everyone's issue with Xyzzy80.<p>I wasn't crazy about The Queen.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    nope, never saw it

    by just pillow talk

    though I too liked Stranger than Fiction as well. Will was good in that I thought.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Sir Not

    by toadkillerdog

    Of course the best movies, be it action, comedy or drama, have character development. Comic book based movies Such as Xmen 2, Spiderman 2. Are both excellent adventure movies, and both with very good character arcs. What I do not like in an adventure movie, is when the introspection trumps the action.<p> My specific comment dealt with auteurs being given the reigns and wanting to create pathos when action is the reason most moviegoers have come to see the flick. <p> There is an imbalance inherent in these types of movies, And the bias should be on action, not character develpoment. I am reminded of a Not Brand Ecchh story(I was a huge comic book geek thank you very much), from many, many years ago. It had Spiderman, and some villain, talking - in an existential manner about a fight. Not doing any actual fighting. Just gving their inner motivations for it. it was hysterical, becuas it pointed out the absurdity of taking a comic based, action adventure character, and dropping huge amounts of introspection and pathos on it. I am a no longer a comic book collector - but I loved great stories. The Dark Knight being one of the greatest of all time. It did not skimp on action though.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The Queen

    by toadkillerdog

    When I was a child I came across a book on the British Monarchy, and it had some incredibly beautiful pictures of the U.K and of the Royal family. It was also a great history book, and I loved the genealogy. I must have been about 8 and I liked the Queen in those pics. So I had a soft spot for the monarchy ever since. The movie The Queen, was not a great flick, but I thought Mirren did a great job of making a woman who is percieved as nothing more than a handbag, funny hat, and a cold smile, into a multi-faceted human being. The Royals are still far too detached. But, then again, if your entire existence is one of privilege and duty, and lacking any true privacy, it might make you a bit detached as well.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Fuck off, Xyzzy80

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    This clearly isn't the place for you, so just go. If you walked into a local pub with that adolescent snooty attitude of yours, you'd get your own ass fed to you and you'd be carried out of the place. And you'd deserve it.<p>People like you make me sad, so go and find something else to do.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    This looks like my kinda flick.

    by fiester

    I will be there.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    hmph

    by Lost Jarv

    WHERE'S THE LOVE FOR THIS IS ENGLAND <P>I'm just going to keep shouting this, even though I know it's completely irrelevant.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Shane Meadows= Genius

    by Lost Jarv

    Can't wait to watch Somerstown. I know Camden really well and I know what a shithole it is. Can't wait. <P>I promise to stop this when soemone acknowledges the majesty of the scandalously overlooked This is England.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Ivan Reitman is not greatest of all time

    by Lost Jarv

    SHANE MEADOWS IS. <P>This is England, motherfuckers.... <P>I'm working late, and am frankly bored out of my tiny little mind.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    Actually, fairy tales were not intended for kids - at least not exclusively. They developed out a tradition or oral history and folkore. The audience was primarily adult. It was not until the late 1700's that that the fairy tales began to be gathered in written form and packaged for children. Even then, the tales retained part of their original appeal to adults, and some themes are overtly sexual and violent.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    I've added This is England to my queue

    by just pillow talk

    I'll get to it at some point. That's all I'm willing to concede at this point.<p>Xyzzy80, Frankie said you would get your ass beaten because of your ATTITUDE, which I'm sure you have regardless of the subject being discussed.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Pillows, Danny

    by Lost Jarv

    Actually, funnily enough, This is England is not that irrelevant to this conversation. It's a really adult film that takes a child's perspective. It's fucking brilliant and probably the best film I've seen this year. I'm kicking myself for not going to the cinema to see it.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    Han Solo notwithstanding, I was merely commenting on the accuracy of your statement concerning fairy tales.<p> There are some people, and beleive it or not, some are directors, who are well aware of the historical origins of fairy tales. Perhaps the even incorporate those into their movies - deliberately too.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    bitching and moaning

    by thedude2010

    hearing all the bitching and moaning about del toro makes me want to watch a real movie. Deuce Bigalow 2: European Gigalo

  • June 26, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by rogueleader66

    Your statement that "pretending that saturday morning cartoon makers like Del Toro are in the same league as people like David Lean or Michael Haneke is just an insult to _real_ film makers" is why you rub people the wrong way. That is YOUR opinion, which you have a right to, but you make it sound like you are the know all end all of movie greatness, so what if someone else puts Del Toro in the same class as those filmmakers? That is their opinion and you don't need to belittle someone elses opinion because it conflicts with yours. What a real fimmaker is to you may be vastly different from what others believe, but that is no reason to try and make anyone else feel like a moron because they have a different view.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Let's just say

    by rogueleader66

    That we all agree to disagree and leave it at that?

  • June 26, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to this

    by mrfan

    Enjoyed the first one. Thanks for the review.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by Braffed

  • June 26, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    My point about the historical origin of fairytales dealt with the oral tradition they sprang from. It dealt with the fact that these tales were not intended for children. It dealt with the fact that these adult stories, told in the oral tradition, were far darker, and sexually and violently explicit than what we of today associate with fairytales. It dealt with people knowing the true histiorical nature of fairytales, and thus being able to discuss them from such a point of view. It dealt with Directors who may know the true historical nature of fairytales, plumbing the material for a take not often seen today. <p> With regard to Grimms fairy tales (which are not the only ones by the way) and since you know the German name for them, then you must also be aware that they were heavily attacked during initial publication for not being suitable for Children - this was in the early 1800's. It was not until, many, many changes had been made that they apeared in the format we know today. So, that in itself should answer your own question of "i don't know what you're trying to get at here." But in case it does not: Fairytales are not mere childrens stories, and never have been.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by rogueleader66

    Honestly, nobody should have their faces kicked in for their opinion, only if it comes across as THE definitive opinion, and I am sorry to say that is how you came across. I respect most opinions on here, at least I try to LOL, I just don't appreciate when I am treated like some moron by someone who thinks they are so much better than me. Not saying that is what I think you are, just a statement.

  • June 26, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    I might actually see this at the show

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Caught the first one on DVD and enjoyed<p> Best Ron Perlman line--Alien Resurrection "I am not the man with whom to FUCK!!"

  • June 26, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    I like This Is England. I also very much enjoyed Dead Mans Shoes. After seeing This Is England, I was like man Butcher Boy was much better. Finally watched the Butcher Boy dvd i HAD TO HAVE when it finally came out. Again my childhood memories had failed me, Butchor boy was not as violent as I recalled, and not as good either. Saw Son Of Rambo recently as well, and that was very good as well, Freddie Highmore better look out, because he was terrible in Spiderwick. I don't blame him though, but using a child actor twice ala Lohan style, and having them use a fact accent for (2) characters was a bad idea.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    So no one's working today

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Looks like the whole gang is here. G'day, gents.<p>I'll watch This Is England this weekend.<p>Don't think I can bring myself to watch The Queen regardless of how amazing Mirren is in it. Maybe if I catch it on cable.<p>Pan's Labyrinth is a great movie. End of debate.<p>Ditto to Cool Hand Luke.<p>I'm still mourning over Holland's early exit from Euro 2008. I guess I gotta cheer for Germany. Who you choosing, Jarv?

  • June 26, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    First off, I never ventured an opinion one way of the other with regards to Pans Labyrinth. Second, please do some very, very, very simple research before posting. Just punch in 'origin of fairytales' in a search engine if you must. My Goodness. The lack of education these days is startling.<p> Are you at all familiar with the Oral storytelling tradition? The non-written tradition of travelling storytellers? What kind of stories do you think they told? Some folk tales. Some involving faeries and other magical creatures. Some political commentary, couched in the familiar peasants vs aristocracy. Some even beleive that Women, were the primary source of these tales. <p> Just do a little research before you spout off on things you unfamiliar with.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by toadkillerdog

    Please do not start talking in the third person! <p> Thsi sensitive side is weirding me out! <p> Hola Abom, HOD. Yep no work today!

  • June 26, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian

    by just pillow talk

    Yeah, if you do watch the Queen, catch it on cable. It's not worth renting.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    the imposters must be getting to Danny boy

    by just pillow talk

    Fleshing out his sensitive side!

  • June 26, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80 - yet another tool

    by WhoDis

    why do we always get this "one guy" trolling the talkbacks before a big, anticipated movie comes out. Always a new ID, too.<P> Xyzzy80, I'm sure there's a million other things you could do with your life besides posting every 2 minutes why everyone's wrong and you are right over a movie and director you don't like. Or maybe not. Kindly go fuck yourself.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Cable for The Queen

    by toadkillerdog

    No worth renting, but worth watching if you are an Anglophile.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    HEY NOW!

    by Cotton McKnight

    I didn't read the article for fear of getting "spoiled" but I just wanted to drop in a Hank Kingsley quote. Yeah, that was lame. Every movie so far this summer has been a mere prelude to The Dark Knight and Hellboy 2.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    Shit man I should be working, I got a talking to about some of my projects today.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by just pillow talk

    Have you considered declaring pencil jihad against your employer? Projects are quickly forgotten when a boss or co-worker has a #2 pencil stuck in their neck.<p>The CoC approves of this "suggestion".

  • June 26, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    My boss has been giving me dirty looks lately

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I think they're onto me as my output has sunk. I really need a work at home job.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    a FLAMING LEG KICK is all your boss needs

    by just pillow talk

    and then he will realize the important work that you do on AICN.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    Yeah man, sad fact, that I could do this job from home. They have a remote server and everything. I am just on the phone all day sending e-mails. BUT!!! Gotta be clean shaven, can't let my sweet Robocop 3-D poster see me with 2 day growth.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I really wanted to love the first...

    by depalma25

    ...Hellboy movie. Perhaps I went in with raised expectations, but boy even after subsequent viewings, I find myself disapointed. The themes are introduced (i get all pumped up) and the, snap: third act. I've loved every Del Toro movie so far (Devil's Bone my favorite)so I will be at Hellboy 2 opening night.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Jack Colby

    by Damage_Inc

    I know what you mean. I noticed that too. AiCN has actually been posting well written and cool news lately. Maybe it's a sign that Armageddon is upon us.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    i met backbone of course

    by depalma25

  • June 26, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    and i meant "meant" I'm so unawesome today

    by depalma25

  • June 26, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    depalma25

    by just pillow talk

    You're in luck, we have a special today for Pan's Labyrinth helmets, all the retards who like Del Toro's work wear them (myself included).

  • June 26, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    The office mentality is ridiculous. I deal with vendors via phone and e-mail all day so I could do this at home. Save my employer from paying for my office space and electricity usage. And save me from an hour commute. I mean really, how many of us that post here couldn't do the same work at home?<p>In all honesty, I was really disappointed by Hellboy in the theater. Bought the DVD because I had to spend my money on something (back when I had expendable income) and on second viewing, I really liked it.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    I see. So when confronted with an inescapable truth(that fairytales were not originally intended for children) - and presented with an opportunity to learn about that truth (by the simple expedient of a google search with the words "origin of fairytales"), instead you storm off into a corner, like a child, pout and scream liar liar. <p> Very adult of you.<p> I love to read. Books that is. I never have claimed any superior education. Nor any particular fondness for Neil Gaiman either.<p> You really are a child, in that you cannot take being wrong about anything. <p> What makes these TB's ineteresting, is the free flowing exchange of ideas and opinions. Opinions are subjective. Truth is not. Your opinion and others, of Directors and movies, that has been commented on in these posts, is just that: Opinion. The historical origin of fairytales, that they were not intended for children exclusively, and that even the Grimm tales were heavily criticized for being inappropriate for children, is not subjective. It is fact. And a surprisingly easliy verifiable one at that. But, because it counters your stated, and uninformed opinion, you refuse to accept it. So you pick up your marbles and run along home. <p> Very sad.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Fairy tale suggestion...

    by morGoth

    ...folks, please read (Google it) Tolkien's "On Fairy-tales" if you want to get a good angle on why they're just not for the kiddies.<p>I smell a troll.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Where's a new TDK review ...

    by Damage_Inc

    when you need one? Seriously, if this has been screened all over the place, why have we only got one review so far?

  • June 26, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    Really, if you are going to quote me or anyone, please do so accurately. I never backpedalled. You just cherry picked -and showed the type of person you truly are.I always used the words not exclusively. But here is the entire quote - the entire First post I addressed to you in fact.<p> Xyzzy80 by toadkillerdog Jun 26th, 2008 12:46:26 PM Actually, fairy tales were not intended for kids - at least not exclusively. They developed out a tradition or oral history and folkore. The audience was primarily adult. It was not until the late 1700's that that the fairy tales began to be gathered in written form and packaged for children. Even then, the tales retained part of their original appeal to adults, and some themes are overtly sexual and violent. <p> Nitwit

  • June 26, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    wow

    by dingus khan

    an entire day of fighting about pans labyrinth, xyzzy80? obviously this movie affected you enough for you to continuously bitch and pick fights with complete strangers. you've been spouting BS all day trying to prove some type of superiority, and all you've succeeded in doing is making yourself look like an unhappy dope that can't shut his mouth.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Good. Maybe Xyzzy80 will go asleep.

    by mrfan

    Dumb bastard

  • June 26, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Good. Maybe Xyzzy80 will go asleep.

    by mrfan

    Dumb bastard

  • June 26, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Strange about name calling Xyzzy80

    by mrfan

    You seem to do it in many of your prvious posts.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    yawn

    by dingus khan

  • June 26, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by mrbeaks

    It's not really been "screened all over the place". Yet. After tonight, however, I have a feeling reviews will come flooding in.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    No, I shouldn't have stooped to your level...

    by mrfan

    but I really like how you try to turn things around.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Good review of Hellboy 2.

    by mrfan

    Looking forward to seeing it.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by toadkillerdog

    You are a piece of work. First you accuse me of backpedalling. And I showed how I had, from my very first indicated that fairytales were not exclusivley aimed at or exclusively intended for children. What part of that do you not understand? Secondly, to bolster your argument, you pull a quote out of context."...these tales were not intended for children." <p> This was a part of a larger quote about the HISTORICAL origin of fairytales. Here is the entire quote in contect. I said "My point about the historical origin of fairytales dealt with the oral tradition they sprang from. It dealt with the fact that these tales were not intended for children." I was talking about the historical origin, as i have been talking about since the very first post. The historical orgin of fairytales were not intended for children. <p> I stand 100% behind every word. The historical origin or fairytales, were not originally aimed at children. <p>You really are troll. A very stupid one at that.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    mrbeaks

    by Damage_Inc

    I'm glad you responded to that. After I posted it occurred to me that it may have appeared as a slam to you. That's not what I meant. I think your review was very good and well written. I just said that because the talkback was beginning to die and because of the bickering that the troll caused.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    And so it is very clear, because Trolls is stupid

    by toadkillerdog

    The historical origins of fairytales, that came from the oral traditions of storytelling, were not primarily aimed at children. For trolls such as Xyzzy80, the word primary means: first in order. Breaking it down further for that troll, it means, that the stories were not intended firstly for children, but for adults. Adult stories. Adult themes. <p> It was not until the oral traditions were gathered in written form, did the stories begin to be packaged for children, and even then, the Grimm tales, were heavily criticized as being unsuitable for children. Not until they changed did we get the fairytales aimed EXCLUSIVELY for children, that we know today. <p> Troll

  • June 26, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by rogueleader66

    Yea i said agree to disagree, all I was doing was responding to your statement of being kicked in the face, and agreeing that you shouldn't have been, so sorry.

  • June 26, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    A troll who argues about Fairy Tales.

    by Damage_Inc

    That irony is not lost on me.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Xz

    by toadkillerdog

    Please post the entire quote so that the context is known. Please stop cheery picking. <p>Actually, please conitue to cherry pick. It better illustrates the type of person you are. <p>"My point about the historical origin of fairytales dealt with the oral tradition they sprang from. It dealt with the fact that these tales were not intended for children."

  • June 26, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Damage_Inc

    Dude, please stop. He will argue with you forever. You've proved your point and we all know it.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Mr Beaks

    by toadkillerdog

    Is the violence in the movie on par with the first, or is it more intense?

  • June 26, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Damage_Inc

    by toadkillerdog

    You are quite correct. I will stop, and it is time to go home anyway.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Wow, looks like I missed out...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...on a sweet session of Xyzzy80-bashing while I was away. <p> Hey, Xyzzy80, I love how you picked out the very few examples of films in your list which it was safest to assume didn't have any academic texts written about them. Talk about exceptions that prove the rule. <p> Speaking of which, let's look at those exceptions, shall we? You, like Memories-of-Murder, also have a couple of "slumming" titles you like to wave in our faces to show that, yes, you may be intellectually superior to the rest of us slobs, but you're also a man of the people, a fun guy and an all-round righteous dude. <p> In M-O-M's case, it's Lifeforce. In your case, since you don't want to be caught slumming THAT much, you chose a fairly obscure yet effective, violent little giallo to show that you can do "visceral" just like everyone else. Not at all obvious. <p> And Fiddler on the Roof? It must have been tough trying to choose between that and The Sound of Music. <p> I won't even bother with the fairy tale thing since other talkbackers here have already pounded you into the dirt over it. <p> And last, but not least: <p> "Hans Solo"? <p> Using the term "Hans Solo" means only one of two things: <p> 1) You actually do know his name is Han Solo but are pretending that you are so above anything as mass cultural as Star Wars that his name never registered with you, despite having been an integral part of Western pop culture for over 30 years, which makes you an unbelievably arrogant and offensive shit. <p> 2) You actually didn't know his name was Han Solo, which means anything you say about film is rendered pointless -- not only in AICN talkback, but in any company of self-respecting cinéastes.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Okay

    by Mattyboy122

    Xyzzy80 is coming off a bit high and mighty in calling everyone here fanboys, but everybody bashing his list of films (which is, to be fair, a pretty good list...I mean, fuck, F For Fake? One of the best movies EVER.) seems strangely like the people in Idiocracy attacking Luke Wilson for talking 'like a fag.' He's got a different opinion, and while he's being a douche in calling you guys child-like fanboys, you don't need to trash him for liking high-cult movies. <p> At any rate, I'd like to come to Xyzzy80's defense, actually, in regards to Pan's Labyrinth. In my opinion, the film thinks it's much more mature than it really is. Rather than contrast the simple morality of fairy tale with the murky morality of the real world, the whole film plays with an extremely simplistic moral compass (step-dad = bad, mom = good, fascists = bad, socialists = good). There's no moral grey area in the film. Contrast this with the vastly superior The Lives of Others, a film whose characters all operate in a moral grey area. Makes for a more mature film, one that deserved to be nominated for Best Picture, I think. Just my two cents.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy122

    by DocPazuzu

    I'm not trashing his list. In fact, I think the films in his list are great, but that's not the point. The point is that his list consists of the safest, canon-friendly choices imaginable with a couple of "roughies" thrown in to spice it up a bit, kind of like when Pat Boone undid the top button in his shirt when he sang "Tutti Frutti" on the Ed Sullivan show. <p> Bottom line: Xyzzy80 is an appallingly pretentious and condescending knob.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    So, you only watched those movies in the past week or so? Well, was it just a coincidence that you happened to choose movies of that caliber or were you adhering to a pre-chosen list of canon-friendly titles? If not, what were the other movies you saw in the past week which DIDN'T meet your standards? And if you indeed saw that many films in one week, how does that make your life more productive than mine? You're beginning to sound more and more like the basement-dwelling geeks you seem to despise, the only difference being your eat your cheetos with a knife and fork by candle light. <p> On a related note, it seems you had your cake and ate it too, since you provided a list, but not the one we asked for which means you're still holding out on us, much like that intellectual coward moviemack did. <p> Well done, chief.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    I look forward to the future Hobbit talkbacks. With any luck you'll team up with ringwearer9 so we can clobber two hater-trolls for the price of one.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    "Cheetos"...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...are what "Hans Solo" likes to eat. You can look this up on the "information super highway" known as the "internets". <p> Nope, not attacking you for watching too many movies. Don't even think about pulling that fake-quoting shit on me. I merely pointed out that you are increasingly coming across as acting like, nay, BEING one of us, which makes your poo-pooing of talkbackers even funnier. <p> Interesting you should mention Dirty Harry in that context, by the way. The fact is, if you had been around in the 1970s, you would have been one of the shrilltards yelling about how "fascist" the film is. However, since you are a hip, modern, European cinéaste, you adhere to the prevailing reevaluation of the Eastwood œuvre. <p> Christ, could you be more obvious? Surely someone of your vast mental prowess can throw us a bone from out of left field somewhere, yes?

  • June 26, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Re: the fairy tale argument

    by strosmer

    It's not that cut and dry that fairy tales were originally intended for adults or children. I looked up "origin fairytales" on Google and went to a couple sites, and found different takes (good ol' internet - "the superhighway of misinformation" as Frank Black once put it) but let's go with what Wikipedia says, (everyone agreed that's a reputable source? Uh, perhaps not, but here goes anyway...), "The history of the fairy tale is particularly difficult to trace, because only the literary forms can survive. Still, folklorists have found these forms from every culture over many centuries. Thus the oral fairy tale may have existed for at least that long, although not perhaps recognized as a genre. The name "fairy tale" was first ascribed to them by Madame d'Aulnoy. Fairy tales, and works derived from fairy tales, are still written today.<p>The older fairy tales were intended for an audience of adults as well as children, but they were associated with children as early as the writings of the précieuses; the Brothers Grimm titled their collection Children's and Household Tales, and the link with children has only grown stronger with time.<p>Folklorists have classified fairy tales in various ways. Among the most notable are the Aarne-Thompson classification system and the morphological analysis of Vladimir Propp. Other folklorists have interpreted the tales' significance, but no school has been definitively established for the meaning of the tales."<p>I'd say the argument is dependent on how you define "fairy tale" and when those tales actually began.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Xyzzy80

    by DocPazuzu

    So now you're the talkback equivalent of Jesus?

  • June 26, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what a zinger. <p> If you're going to level an insult at someone, at least have the courage to stand by it. Throwing one at me and then saying you're above throwing it at me and then claiming the insult worked because I "didn't get" it (the real insult being that I would not get the implication that only someone as base as myself would say something like that) is pretty lame. <p> You're quite the artist when it comes to having it both ways, aren't you? I suppose it comes with constantly being afraid of liking the wrong things and being judged on it by your peers.

  • June 26, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Damn You TheyCallMeMisterBay

    by DamnMichaelBay

    Damn You TheyCallMeMisterBay

  • June 26, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    You know what, Xyzzy80?

    by DocPazuzu

    I'm through with you for now. It's late and I'm content, so I'm off. Anything you might possibly say after this won't be responded to until tomorrow at the earliest.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Pillow Talk - Cronos to be on Netflix!

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I just did a search for Cronos on Netflix today, and it can now be "saved" in your queue. (I just did it.) The availability date is unknown, but this hopefully bodes well for us Netflixers.

  • June 26, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    A bit off-topic, but...

    by Stunt Vocalist 709

    I'm wishing for the newer Fantasy Island series on DVD. The one with Malcom MacDowell. Anyone know if it's coming out? Officially or otherwise? Thanks.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Fairytales

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Strosmer not read whole wikipedia or he would have come across this "Literary fairy tales appeared in works intended for adults, but in the 19th and 20th centuries the fairy tale came to be associated with children's literature. Cutlery for children. Detail showing fairy-tale scenes: Snow White, Little Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel.The précieuses, including Madame d'Aulnoy, intended their works for adults, but regarded their source as the tales that servants, or other women of lower class, would tell to children.[55] Indeed, a novel of that time, depicting a countess's suitor offering to tell such a tale, has the countess exclaim that she loves fairy tales as if she were still a child.[56] Among the late précieuses, Jeanne-Marie Le Prince de Beaumont redacted a version of Beauty and the Beast for children, and it is her tale that is best known today.[57] The Brothers Grimm titled their collection Children's and Household Tales and rewrote their tales after complaints that they were not suitable for children.[58] In the modern era, fairy tales were altered so that they could be read to children. The Brothers Grimm concentrated mostly on eliminating sexual references;" Once again Fred too late, oh well story of Freds life. <p> Free Freds balls

  • June 26, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Was Harry's Blade 2 the fellatio one?

    by JKrow21

    Always made me laugh

  • June 26, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Oh man this is just awesome...

    by DoctorWho?

    I just love when bloviating film elitest like Xyzzy80 come down from the rarefied air of the libraries of cinema and mingle with us...the dorks and "12 yr old" lovers of genre films...only then to run head first into the buzz saw of DocPaz et al. I've been laughing at my monitor at work all day. I didn't think Pan's Labyrinth was the second coming of Christ like so many else thought...but I thought it built some tension and had some great visuals and art direction. You said it yourself Xzzy80..."I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE APPEAL". Well Christ man that's all you need say. But I appreciate your mass condemnation of all on the site here for the sheer enjoyment factor of watching the 'virtual gang tackle' of your ass. You've awoken the proverbial sleeping giant which hasn't happened here in a while. Cool.

  • June 26, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    actually, gurzeon there is

    by Sancho Del Pancho

    hellboy is. cause they are the devil

  • June 26, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I hope the film editors don't flip the negative

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    again. Anyone else remember about ten second of Hellboy having the wrong stone hand because someone goofed? They may have fixed it for DVD, I don't know, but they goofed big time for the big screen.

  • June 27, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    I love Michael Bay!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    He's AWESOME!

  • June 27, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Fuck yes

    by andrew coleman

    Hellboy 2 will make everything right. Wall E, Hellboy 2 and Dark Knight makes this summer one of my favs. About Pan's, good movie why is everyone fighting because Xyzzy80 didn't like the fairies? Who cares what that ass hole likes. The one thing everyone has to remember is if you liked it, you liked it who cares what anyone else thinks. Xyzzy80 is one of these dudes who likes to bash people for no reason. Ignore him if you like Pan's, he didn't but who cares? The only comment I have is people going after Blade 2 now I liked that movie but as a comic book action film not as ONE OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME! I mean Del Toro is a solid director who at least enjoys his craft which is better than some dude just trying to get a pay check.

  • June 27, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    My favorite Hellboy story........

    by Han Cholo

    Hands down was "Pancakes". That had me laughing for hours in the library where I first read it. <p> "It's the boy. He has eaten the pancake." <p> "He will never come back to us now." <p> "Truly, this is our blackest hour." <p> Hilarious!!!

  • June 27, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Never really saw the appeal of Hellboy

    by That 70s Venom

    I saw the first film simply out of curiousity and it was OKAY, but nothing really spectacular. I still don't understand the lure to the Hellboy franchise. I think I'm just more of a Spider-Man and Batman kinda guy.

  • June 27, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST

    And I'm always amazed...

    by morGoth

    ...when people can't understand why everyone doesn't have the same taste in movies. You suck! Uh-uh, you suck!

  • June 27, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST

    morGoth you misinterpret my point, sir

    by That 70s Venom

    I didn't say that I hated Hellboy or talk shit on the people who liked it. I simply said that I didn't understand the appeal of it. Just like if someone told me they don't understand the appeal of Batman I would be like "Okay that is fine but I still love Batman"

  • June 27, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Stunt Vocalist 709

    by just pillow talk

    Thanks dude. I had seen that as well and saved it. Not sure when it will become available to us though. It's now joined my "saved pile" of Fist of Legend, Soldier of Orange, and Truly, Madly, Deeply.

  • June 27, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Hellbilly Boy

    by hallowhitch31

    I'm so fucking curious as to the "one line of dialogue" the film uses to toss-off the Myers character. That dude (and character) was so forced and bad. I re-visited 'Hellboy' recently after being thoroughly "meh'd" by it in theaters. I love the concept, I love the casting, and I love the design/effects/makeup... but the film still never hits on all cylinders. It's not bad by any means... it just remains stunted on a semi-interesting plateau for two hours. I think 'Hell 2' can only improve on a promising starting point.

  • June 27, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    This Is England

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I saw it the other night on Film 4 and thought it was just okay. It might be an expectation thing, though, because I had heard so many good things about it and it turned out to be just a decent little film and nothing more. I liked the nostalgic, early eighties stuff (although there is significantly more Grandmaster Flash in my own memories of that time), and a lot of the performances had a nice natural feel to them, but it was horribly heavy handed in places and the ending was a little anticlimactic. I don't know, I think I was just expecting more somehow. Also, I kind of wanted to know more about the nice skinhead from earlier in the film. What happened to him? He was alright.<p>Maybe I'll watch it again at some point to see if I change my mind.<p>Good morning, US Cool News types!

  • June 27, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Jarv will not like that just okay review Frankie

    by just pillow talk

    Beware his wrath!<p>Watched Definitely, Maybe with the wife last night, and it wasn't bad.

  • June 27, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Definitely, Maybe?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Is that the one with with Ryan Reynolds? If so, maybe I'll check it out. I keep waiting for that guy to find a film worthy of his talents, but so far it's not going great.<p>Would you say it was good as in 'good to watch with the wife', or would a guy like me who is still licking his wounds from the collapse of his last relationship also enjoy it?<p>I look forward to Jarv calling me a cunt for not fully endorsing This Is England.

  • June 27, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    yes, that be the one

    by just pillow talk

    And here I thought you were hitched Frankie. <p>That's a tough one in your case, but I think you'll still be okay with it. Another one that we just saw that I enjoyed was P.S. I love you. So you can either keep those in mind for the future, or take a stab at them now.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Okay, I'm going to give it a go

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I like comedies, Reynolds is funny, Isla Fisher is hot, hot, hot, and I now have the pillow recommendation. That'll do for me. As per usual, if it's shit, I'll be holding you personally responsible and sending bad vibes across the Atlantic in your direction. Bad vibes!<p>I have to say no to P.S. I Love You, though. Unfortunately, I suffer from a terrible mental affliction, which compels me to watch truly awful films simply because they feature former members of the Buffy cast in one role or another. It's a problem that's meant I've sat through some horrible shit over the years - Date Movie, Voodoo Moon, Darkness Falls, Jawbreaker, pretty much anything with Sarah Michelle Gellar in it - and I'm trying to cure the condition by staying away from all Buffy related films (P.S. I Love You has James Marsters in it).<p>Shit, I have just given away what a terrible Buffy nerd I am. That is a severe loss of cool points, I reckon.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    P.S. No, not currently hitched

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Did it once, won't be doing it again under any circumstances.<p>Yes, I am a little bitter.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Yes, she is fine, to say the least

    by just pillow talk

    Rachel Weisz ain't bad to look at either. <p>And as a non-Buffy fan, I have no idea who James Marsters is, nor do I know which dude he was in that movie (I'm assuming he was a dude in it of course).<p>And if you want a little old school, check out The Shop Around the Corner. And if that's too much non-cool movies for ya, I enjoyed to varying degrees, I am Legend, Cloverfield, American Gangster.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Hi Pillow, Frankie

    by toadkillerdog

    Frankie, you can be assured that Jarv will call you all sorts of names for your review of This is England, however, he willnot declare pencil jihad - so you will be spared. The CoC is merciful - sometimes. And you are a good guy - even though you wear stretchy purple pants. <p>

  • June 27, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    American Gangster was pretty good

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Doesn't quite live up to the weight of expectation I had (for some reason) before I watched it, but a pretty damn good film all the same. Great cast, too.<p>I Am Legend I enjoyed all the way up to the anticlimactic ending, which spoiled things a bit, and I haven't seen Cloverfield yet. I might give it a go, but I don't know. It looks a bit too Blair Witchy for me, and I did not like that one at all.<p>Have you seen 3:10 To Yuma? I watched it at last weekend and it's a very good modern western. Russell Crowe and Christian Bale are both great, plus it's got Ben Foster doing that creepy asshole thing he's so good at.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Hey, toad

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That is good to hear about the pencil jihad business. I'm not too sure what that means, but it sounds bad. Stabbing, I am sure, would be involved, and nobody likes to be stabbed.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Pencil Jihad

    by toadkillerdog

    You better beleive it nnvolves stabbing! Utilizing a trusty HB No. 2 lead lined weapon of ultimate destruction! <p> Unleashing the pencil Jihad, is a beautiful and terrible thing! <p> Perhaps you should convert to the CoC. Pillow, being one of the four warciples of prophecy, can fill you in on the details.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    The alternate ending of I am Legend on DVD

    by toadkillerdog

    Really should have been the theatrical ending. It was fantastic. I found Cloverfield, boring. Not really Blair Witchy, but it had zero compelling charcters - including the ding dong monster! No tension, massive plot holes, and just an overall - 'thats it?' type of movie.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Yup, saw 3:10 to Yuma

    by just pillow talk

    I need to see it again though, as I caught it on the flight to Brazil. It's just not the same watching it there. And yeah, I was expecting more with American Gangster. Still enjoyed it, but it is by no means one of the great gangster films, but a solid entry nonetheless. <p>And Cloverfield is not Blair Witchy. Is it the next coming of a great monster movie? No, but again, I enjoyed this movie as well.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    didn't see the alternative ending of I am Legend

    by just pillow talk

    Why didn't they use that if it's so much better? Not a happy ending?

  • June 27, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    origin of pencil jihad and stabbing of shitheels

    by just pillow talk

    This is where it all began Frankie. When we warciples discovered our true calling and lord...<p>Prepare yourself!<p>http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/35294#comment_1848549

  • June 27, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    It is a great ending

    by toadkillerdog

    It makes a heluva lot more sense than the theatrical version. I am sure you can find it on youtube or something. It is happy too. <p> Maybe they had the wrong focus group or just second guessed themsleves far too much

  • June 27, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    It's a lame alternate ending

    by DoctorWho?

    The title is I AM LEGEND. Her taking his antidote to the colony is what saves humans from extinction. He is immortalized in history from that point on. He made the ultimate sacrifice to see that she escaped with the formula. That dipshit 'happy' ending is weak. Especially when Smith and the creature make eye contact like " Ya...you did me a 'solid' man...were good now" just had no closure. What happens next? Do they coexist? Do they come back to his trashed house again that night and finish him off?

  • June 27, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Is Fred too late again?

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred always late. Fred not really like Cloverfield either. Fred did not see Yuma. Fred know what a tarheel is, not a shitheel though.

  • June 27, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Freds Balls

    by strosmer

    True, I did not read the entire article, however, it stated early: "The history of the fairy tale is particularly difficult to trace, because only the literary forms can survive. Thus the oral fairy tale may have existed for at least that long, although not perhaps recognized as a genre." There is ambiguity to the origin, and as I said, the argument is dependent on when you feel "fairy tales" actually began. Certainly the parts of the article you quoted back up the argument that fairy tales were originally intended for adults if you are mark the origin of fairy tales in a literary form from the time of the précieuses forward.<p>But tis a silly argument really, and I am merely tossing in a technicality. Certainly what most of us in the modern Western world think of as a traditional fairy tale began with the stories of the précieuses and from that standpoint it can be stated, essentially, that fairy tales were originally intended for adults.<p>Okay, I'll go get a life now.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Morning CoC'ers

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    So, what do we have here.<p>Definitely Maybe: watched it with the wife last weekend and we both enjoyed it but then again, I am a sucker for romantic comedies (yes, that means I loved Serendipity).<p>I Am Legend: don't understand the hate. Once again the wife and I had a blast watching it.<p>3:10 to Yuma was in my top five last year and one of my favorite Westerns of all time.<p>Speaking of Westerns, has anyone watched The Proposition? Great little movie.<p>For those that call Stephen Sommers a hack, on the set of GI JOE, he instructed Sienna Miller to wear fake breasts as her own cleavage was not big enough for him.<p>According to Miller: "I wear a tight black leather outfit. And much bigger boobs... They gave me these things that looked like chicken fillets. The director said, 'I'm gonna be honest, I like girls with big boobs,' and I don't have them so we made them bigger... At least he's honest. But I was mildly offended."

  • June 27, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Strosmer

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred not have a life either. Thats why Fred looked it up too.<p> Fred not like stubborn know-it-alls and wanted to see for Freds self what truth was.<p> Fred go back to reading Earth Pig Born books now.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Hawiian - The Proposition

    by just pillow talk

    Yes, that is a mighty fine movie. Ray and Guy. Can't go wrong with that.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Hola HOD

    by toadkillerdog

    I liked I am Legend, I just thought the alternate endong on the DVD made more sense. <p> DoctorWho? You make some good points, and frankly looking from that point of view I understand where you are coming from. But at the time I just felt the ending was bad and unnexessary. He did not have to sacrifice himself like that to save her. And the fact that he was able to reach out the way he did to the creature, showed far more courage and had a potentially greater and more lasting impact. The alternate ending - for me, was more effective and affecting.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Fred

    by toadkillerdog

    Uh, not really sure how to address you. Is it Fred or Freds balls? Anwyay, did you just make a Cerebus reference?

  • June 27, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Yes! Toadkilledog

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred make Cerebus refernce! Fred saw MostHoly yesterday on this very thread. <p> He did not fill Fred's nostrils with lava for all of eternity - so Fred s very grateful. Fred very happy to meet fellow Earth Pig Born lovers. <p> You can call Fred: Fred.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Sorry for type - meant Toadkillerdog

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred almost got excited to meet fellow Earth Pig Born lover - but Fred can't get excited, because Fred's balls are in a jar. <p> That is a personal problem for Fred though, and Fred would not want you to think less of Fred because of that.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Cerebus

    by toadkillerdog

    Quite simply, the greatest comic and most frustrating comic I have ever read. I encontered Most Holy as well, a few weeks ago. He commented that I was one of the few if only who got his handle. <p> I stared reading before I went into the service, all through the service (I did take a break for about three years - but I collected the back issues and read them all at once - which is the best way for Cerebus) and up until he shut it down a few years ago. I was one of the last loyal ones.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Fred started reading at sacred wars

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred stopped for few years too - during the boring Reads - but Fred bought all back issues and stayed up till ending as well. <p> Fred go to work now. But Fred be back.

  • June 27, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Rolling Stone has a Dark Knight Review up

    by fiester

    ...if anyone's interested.

  • June 27, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I'm seeing this one in October

    by Aethyrr

    ..which is the date they're releasing it here (Argentina). What's with the kid Hellboy make-up thing..? In the first one, baby Hellboy didn't look good too

  • June 27, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    ToadKiller

    by DoctorWho?

    I think Smith's character (forgot his name) was tired and wanted death. Remember, he didn't want to leave...his wife and child were gone. Once he had the cure his mission was done

  • June 27, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Fred give it up

    by DoctorWho?

    Refering to yourself in third person is Rickey's deal. Don't pile on.

  • June 28, 2008, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Okay, I know about pencil jihad and whatnot now

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Thanks, guys. It is good to learn new things.<p>I must admit, there are times when I come into close contact with many shitheels who need pencils stabbed into their mouths, but I tend to just Hulk out instead. And by Hulking out, what I mean is carefully removing all but my stretchy purple shorts and rampaging around the office until tackled by a security guard and/or typist. Maybe this pencil business could introduce some much needed variety into my routine. On particularly bad days, I could Hulk out AND do the pencil thing, but it would obviously have to be a really big pencil. One of those novelty ones you get at fairs, perhaps. You could do some serious Hulk stabbing with one of those bastards.<p>Man, I should not come to work on Saturdays. I am so very, very bored...

  • June 28, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Awesome review this is the movie I've been anticipatin

    by CrichtonAstronut

    most, next Iron Man and the Dark Knight. And your review makes it sund like just the movie I was hoping for. More fun and character development with the awesome characters from the fisrt film and bigger epic scope.

  • June 30, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    HELLBOY ON INSIDE THE ACTORS STUDIO!!!!!

    by force10

    Just saw this! Hilarious!!!!!!! Fucking BRILLIANT!

  • June 30, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    pah

    by Lost Jarv

    Fair enough Frankie- at times it was a bit heavy handed. <P>I thought the end was simply magnificent, and I liked the child's perspective of the BNP. <P>The wife, American, knew nothing about England at the time and loved it. Although she did ask me annoying questions about the NF all the way through.

  • July 1, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Redfive you are a truncheon!

    by NeilF

    That's right I said YOU ARE A TRUNCHEON!

  • July 2, 2008, 2:45 a.m. CST

    JUST SAW IT...

    by inandout

    I went to a screening of it where Guirimo and the cast spoke afterwards. The film was fantastic. I went with a friend, and did not know what to expect. Danny Elfman's score was beautiful, the film was not pretentious or trying too hard. I am now a GDT fan and can't wait to see The Hobbit. If you haven't looked at the Hellboy website, there are lots of video to watch. GO SEE IT!

  • July 2, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    inandout = plant

    by just pillow talk

  • July 2, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    inandout

    by DocPazuzu

    I suppose that's the name your dad -- the entire crew of the HMS Sheffield -- decided to give you. <p> How many other talkbacks have you participated in? Oh, that's right -- just the other Hellboy TB. <p> I really liked the first Hellboy and am dying to see the new one, so I have no agenda affecting me when I call you a miserable, whoring plant. Fuck you and your patronising marketing shit. You are NOT smarter than we are, you don't sound like us and you don't UNDERSTAND us, which means you're failing at your job which is to sell us things. <p> Attention inandout's employers: <p> inandout is wasting both your time and your money. Your "scouts" into Geekland fail on a continuous basis. They are simply too stupid to know how to deal with us. Since they are incapable of selling your products, try hiring one of us for a change. Hire me, for example. Look me up in the Zone and we'll talk, yes?

  • July 2, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    If you're going to hire the Doc hire me as well

    by Lost Jarv

    I've no shame, and can whore with the best of them. <P>I'm also cheap and not attached to my current job. You'll just have to deal with no editorial control and a high profanity tolerance.

  • July 2, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    it would probably be best to hire at least two

    by just pillow talk

    talkbackers. In fact, you can probably get a "group rate", and since you can clearly see we are VERY good at wasting work time in talkback realm, it would be quite easy to whore your slop. <p>Can we call you pimp daddy?

  • July 4, 2008, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Hmmm, who cares.

    by Roketopunch

    The first HB was mediocre. That is a bad thing actually. There is a thin line between love and hate. I would like it to be good or bad. The first isn't memorable at all. Hellboy seems to be a cliched one liner that was born to late. He reminescent of the 80's in that he is tough and has something to say before he blasts the badguy. I'm not exited about this. I might rent it. Ironman has been the best this summer so far.