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Spielberg Mulls THE 39 CLUES!!
Merrick here...
DreamWorks has landed the rights to, and Spielberg is considering directing, a film adaptation of THE 39 CLUES.
THE 39 CLUES is described as a "a multiplatform adventure series to be launched in the fall by Scholastic Media". In this case, "multiplatform" = interrelated books, collectible cards, and an online game - any/all of which could guide participants towards the resolution of a mystery. Whoever solves said mystery bags a $10,000 prize, and will almost certainly be beaten down by classmates.
The focus of "The 39 Clues" is the most powerful family in the world, the Cahills, who count Napoleon and Houdini among their relatives. Readers will be challenged to discover the source of the family's powers, revealed through 39 clubs that are hidden around the world and scattered throughout history.
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First book in the series, "The Maze of Bones," has been completed by Rick Riordan, who also has outlined the series' 10-book arc. The adventure kicks off with the death of Cahill clan matriarch Grace, who changes her will at the last moment, giving her descendants the choice between $1 million or a clue.
...says THIS ARTICLE in Variety.
Word is a major set-piece in the movie will involve five kids stuffing themselves into an oven & using it to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere.
I'm kidding.
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First book in the series, "The Maze of Bones," has been completed by Rick Riordan, who also has outlined the series' 10-book arc. The adventure kicks off with the death of Cahill clan matriarch Grace, who changes her will at the last moment, giving her descendants the choice between $1 million or a clue.
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Boy that's funny.
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Scholastic is desperate to fill in the huge gaping hole left in their schedule where Harry Potter used to be. Hmmm....no more Harry Potter? Well, shit, let's just give the kids some money...--G
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Jun 25, 2008 10:34:18 AM CDT
I no longer have any faith in anything spielberg directs
by fassbinder79
The strange thing is it looks like the films he produces continue to be very entertaining. So, I'll at least give him that. But everything he's directed in recent years has been total crap. Indy 4 and War Of The Worlds were awful.
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No, not first. Now fuck off. Now back to the actual topic. I'd rather the prize for this 'hunt' be the actual version of Indy 4 (the one that isn't shit). Then I might bother to take part. Why didn't they just call it 'Indiana Jones and the Fucking Massive Flying Saucer'?
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The indiana Jones films were always supposed to be B-movies with A-movie budgets. Escaping in a refrigerator is no more silly than jumping out of an airplane with a raft (Temple of Doom). All of these movies are ridiculous, they're supposed to be. Lucas and Spielberg were inspired by the old movie serials, which had their heroes placed in, and escaping from, ridiculous situations. Lucas created Indiana Jones after being inspired by a single film image, Zoro jumping from a horse onto a moving truck. I recently re-watched the Indy films for the first time in 15 years or so and I was struck by how silly (but fun) they all are. In my opinion Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is no more outlandish than the other films. Lucas created and wrote the story-lines for all 4 films and the the new one fits in well with the others. Sure there are some groan-inducing moments, but all the Indy films have them. I have read a lot of very negative reviews about the new film and I just think that people who watched the first 3 films as kids are watching the 4th with adult eyes. Crystal Skull might be a mixed-bag, but all of the films in the series are.
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All the Indy movies are a fixed bag? Raiders Of The Lost Ark is a fucking classic from start to finish and Last Crusade is pretty damn good too. Sure Temple Of Doom is a bit too dark and doesn't hit the highs of the other two, but at least it's no longer the worst Indy movie. Surviving a nuclear explosion inside a fridge? Fucking ridiculous...
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Yeeeaaahhhhh!
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Nuclear testing is just the absolute essence of that era! Dig the "Atomic Cafe" sign (a great inside joke, I think). And Indy contemplating the mushroom cloud (and the force that obliterated the enemy in the war he fought the opening skirmishes of in two of the other movies) is a very primal image (not to mention a sublime Pablo Helman shot). It's thematically crucial to the movie. Recall the discussion with Blanchett later when they both quote Vishnu by way of Oppenheimer. 1950s sci-fi/horror is all about nuclear force; "tampering in God's domain", and, with the Vishnu quote, it even connects directly with the non-Nazi Indy movie (and the sacred stones in the Temple of Doom). Knowledge is power, quite literally, in the nuclear age; remember Einstein's letters from Princeton's Institute of Advanced Studies to FDR, warning about the coming nuclear age. Indiana Jones is a series of speculative portraits of Western and Eastern legends superimposed on the real-life conflicts of the twentieth century; the new movie takes that to its final logical step, into the era of the Cold War and the Atomic Cafe, when biblical force is supplanted by scientific might. "I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds." Of Course Indy faces down a nuclear blast; he has to, thematically. That's what this movie's about; what all flying saucer movies from that era are about, as much as the Japanese monster movies are about Nagasaki. Remember that Spielberg actually showed the Nagasaki bomb, from a distance, in Empire of the Sun.
Respectfully, I just think you're missing the larger thematic picture, "bump" or no "bump."
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Thanks for saving my summer, Steve!
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before the series is even done? i don't understand.
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Yes, only here. In the real world, people love this movie.
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The man has seriously nuked the fridge.
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An interesting take on it, and a good one.
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Honestly, before seeing it I doubted everybody involved with Indy 4 but Steve-O and it turned out the exact opposite. The cast showed up ready to work playing good characters, the story was okay, but the scenes just had no energy. The original Indy movies pushed the limits of action sequence intricacy, inventiveness and momentum to new heights, but this new one's action wasn't even passable by that standard set by the originals twenty years ago.These days we've got Pirates of the Caribean in the family adventure genre, and even though the sequels were bloated messes, at least Verbinski brought lots of energy to some well-staged action sequences. Indy 4 is by far Spielberg's worst film, so after Indy 4 and his involvement with Transformers he's really going to have to dig himself out of a hole for me.
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For me, it completely delivered. Remember, too, that whatever you want to say about Lucas, this movie was written by David Koepp, who did a spectacular job integrating post-9/11 themes, symbolism and imagery into Spielberg's War of the Worlds. There was a lot of controversy about how Spielberg was using H.G. Wells to talk about the contemporary world; Stephanie Zacharak (in Salon) hated the movie because she found its 9/11 themes "exploitative," and Slate's David Edelstein responded directly by pointing out that Sci-Fi and Fantasy always use symbolism to discuss present-day reality. Spielberg went on record saying that the "time" was right for War of the Worlds, But my point is that, when it came time to sift through all the post-Darabont wreckage and pick a writer to put together "Crystal Skulls" (and get sole writing credit), they got Koepp, who is no stranger to geopolitical topicality. I'm absolutely sure he's responsible for the Oppenheimer business, and the "knowledge is power" theme is exactly the kind of rhetorical flourish that Koepp employed so well in War of the Worlds (and, to a lesser extent, in his Jurassic Park script).
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Sorry to surprise you, but we are actually real people and not just in your imagination. Me, and every single fucking person I know in the "real world" has serious problems with Crystal Skulls -- why?
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Harrison Ford is great, and Cate Blanchett is great, and it's wonderful to see Marion Ravenwood again and Shia LeBoeff is totally passable and charming, and that, sequence by sequence, the movie dazzles the eye and excites the senses and ignites the aesthetic sensibilites. Spielberg does "1958" so well that it makes Zemekis' "1955" look like bad television. Janusz Kaminski mimics Douglas Slocome (the cinematographer of the first three "Indy" movies) so flawlessly, so selflessly (while adding his own superior visual flair) that shot after shot made me gasp in astonishment and wish I could make the projectionist freeze the image so I could admire it more. ILM did the most incredible job they've done since Sith and War of the Worlds (it almost beats those two movies, but not quite). And the clues and maps and traps and fights are all outstanding, incredible.
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about Indy 4.
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...the walkie-talkie version of Spielberg takes over completely.
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The problem is that the talkbackers are made up primarily of 4chan rejects who are eager to make their blot on the intertubes by being the first person to express something cynical about something everyone else likes.
So they went to see Indy 4 with that as their goal. Nuked Fridge? ZOMG I MADE A MEME! WOOO HOOO!!
Nevermind that the initial blast of air could feasibly launch him and fridge away from the fireball before it got there - but more importantly, I as an Indy fan, watched the guy who survived jumping from an airplane in a rubber liferaft emerge from a fridge that just flew about 1000 yards at aboute 150 miles per hour or more. And I said, "wow that guy's awesome."
These same talkbackers were just snot nosed little children when Last Crusade was out, but if they were actual grown-ups then, they would have been trying to turn the scene where Indy's hat curiously blows back to him after he's survived a tank-over-a-cliff scene into some kind of cynical meme. "OMG MAGIC HAT! THIS MOVIE BLOWS!"
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Not because of Lucas, Spielberg or Monkey Boy. I didn't like it because what I saw was a horrible, horrible movie. IMO.To put things into perspective, I think WAR OF THE WORLDS is even worse than INDY 4. I also didn't care for JURASSIC PARK. Good SFX, lousy story.
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I challenge you to find anyone in talkback who defended Indy 4 as much as I did during the months leading up to its release. I fought haters and trolls incessantly on this subject.
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JUST MAKE JURASSIC PARK IV!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE? I SAT THROUGH INDY FUCKING IV THINKING AT LEAST THIS IS DONE FINALLY WE CAN HAVE SOME JURASSIC PARK IV AND NOW THIS RUBBISH!!! JUST FUCKING MAKE JP IV!! JUST MAKE IT. PLEASE JUST FUCKING MAKE IT. I WANT IT SO BAD
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was it in your special place...and by that I mean your internal sense of what is right?
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as every scene in that movie. Stop reminding us of that dumb scene. Get a life and an new login name.
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That people on the talkback's are often competing to to be the next cool cynic who trashes something or someone popular, so as to show their credentials as not being some wide-eyed innocent or actual film geek.
Folks, this is play. This is recreation. When you start trashing something that's obviously make-believe, obviously larger than life as being unrealistic, you're wasting your time.
If your wish is to actually enjoy movies, rather than joylessly satisfy some sensationalist fix, you have to relax, because no filmmaker, no matter how good, can satisfy the self-satisfied cynic determined to poke holes in what they see on screen. If you go in there looking to find something to bitch about, it'll take an extraordinary movie to satisfy you. Meanwhile, you'll trash a bunch of relatively good movies that are really inoffensive to most people.
Take a chill pill, friends and neighbors. Lucas did not rape your childhood. If your childhood is truly dependent on three fantasy films that the director decided to upgrade and retrofit to suit modern tastes and personal whims, if it really sends you into paroxysms of fury, then you have issues beyond the 24f 1080P visuals in front of you.
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he seems like he's in it for the $$$ much more than the artistry at this pint.
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This guy is really squeesin it to the last drop. He's a real film pimp. What appends with all this cash he gets. More caviar? More homes more jets? He needs to realize he's just making more problems for himself.
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...who complain about crappy CGI: I will send a hunting party armed with shotguns and nunchukus to selectively remove and batter your body parts beyond recognition.
Seriously, I would recommend to those idiots, who are very likely to be too young to remember the pre-digital period, that they look at special effects as they were in the eighties. Marvel at the flat, still matte shots. Marvel at ships that are models and look like it. Amaze yourself at the jerky non-realism of creatures animated by stop motion, and thrill yourself to the beauty of matte lines and artifacts from optical compositing.
I'm old enough to have watched childhood favorites with their once impressive effects as dismay began to creep over me. Digital effects and compositing are not perfect, but nothing is, and the benefits of CGI and digital compositing, and what they can convey, outweighs the inevitable shortfalls from photorealism.
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(and they are entitled to like it) if they did have a problem with people who dont like it. By waiting so long to make this movie. Jerry Bruckheimer was able to make National treauser movies. Which are both daft and defy all logic but in those movies there is a spirit of Indy.
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Look, I'm not some cynnic looking to hate everything and pining for some era that I know won't come back. And I know very well that there is no kind of fame to won by making snarky comments in some obscure talkback. But there's nothing wrong with being critical. I'm sure you guys have all seen movies that you didn't enjoy at some point in your life and if you're not willing to be critical of movies than why did you join a chatboard about movies? What is there to chat about if you guys think they're all good? We come on these talkbacks to talk about movies.I know there are some unreasonable folks who show up here, but I try to be reasonable. I used Pirates of the Caribean as a current example of a fun family magic adventure movie that I liked and would see as appealling to the same audience as Indiana Jones. I'm not saying nobody could possibly enjoy Indy 4 or that it's some ethical travesty, I just think it was a lousy movie and I liked all the actors and the story, I just thought Spielburg didn't bring any energy to the materiel.
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shut the folk up.
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must have gotten reasonably heated. "Spielberg might direct this," is Dreamworks' last resort pull a rabbit out of a hat negotiation tactic. Spielberg was rumored to direct Transformers at one point but just produced. Once again it was the last ditch "Spielberg might direct" to seal the deal with, I think, Hasbro. I'd be a little surprised if Spielberg actually did this.
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...with the people who understand what Spielberg was doing with KOTCS. It was a worthy addition to the franchise, and let's hope we get another. Oh yeah, and the nuclear fridge was a pretty inspired moment.
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seriosuly, take a couple years off bud. come back when you're keen.
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the lighting was awful. Everything looked over lit. How in the world is that emulating Slocombe's more subdued/lived in cinematography. It looks like the same Kaminski stuff we've seen in almost every film he's done with Speilberg.
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...is probably the only scene i didn't mind in indy 4. why is that? I hated the movie for such different reasons to everyone here. Why is that? Hiding in a lead lined fridge wasn't that bad. the next scene after it was bad. and then the scene after that was bad. The chase in the school was good, but then the next scene was bad. and then after that the film just went to complete and total wasted shit. i mean, like, walk out of this stupid movie total SHYTE. but the fridge scene doesn't bother me at all.
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Indy and Marion getting hitched after reuniting for about two seconds.
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That bothers me!
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THAT bothers me!
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were well done. I thought all the "character" moments were what brought it down. The movie tried too hard to combine the larger than life action from Temple of Doom (which I'm guessing was the Lucas influence) with the tired Father/Son routine from Last Crusade (which I'm guessing is the Spielberg influence).
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That really fucking bothers me
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Man, that was just fucking lazy
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Has no one ever heard of the 'spear of destiny'? The spear used to stab christ and who ever hold possession has power over the world. Apparently Hitler had it, and it's passed between the hands of the elite secretly ever since now THAT would have made for a good monguf or mongoose or what ever the hell Lucas calls his artifacts. seriosuly, fuck this Indiana jones halloween dress up party.
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why even bother with an artifact at all? Wouldn't it had been better had the artifact been Marion???? Mutt could've shown up to get Indy to help him save his mother from the Russians or whoever. Or maybe it could've been Marion and Indy teaming up to find Mutt.
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than ESCAPING PLANE IN INFLATABLE RAFT. The fridge scene is also the first real indication that INDY 4 may have jumped the shark. Not the worst scene in the movie, but the first major WTF. I really miss the old Spielberg.
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Catch phrase.
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I'm being ironic.
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I think between the four of them they're rumored or attached to about 3,000 films that are being released in '09.
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runnier than Paris Hiltons diseased twat? The impact from hitting a cliff from a few hundred feet in a falling raft. Well, maybe not as runny, but still. I just can't get over how funny it is that people actually argue over the plausibility of the action in these movies. They're exercises in imagination. Pretty damned good ones. The prequels rock!
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You guys are bashing the entire movie based on a few cheesy scenes. Overall, it was entertaining, well choreographed, and well acted. Yes, there are some stupid moments... but there are also stupid moments in Temple of Doom. You can't ingore this. Not just the inflatable scene... but the blissfully retarded moment in which the mine car flies off one track and magically lands on another. Not to mention Indy somehow surviving a bridge smashing against a stone wall.
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People are actually trying to intellectualize a movie as ridiculous, illogical, and awful as INDY 4?! And, people are commending the nuance in the screen writing of DAVID KEOPP?! Has the world gone insane?!
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...rafting the plane, nuking the fridge, call it what ever the fuck you want, since temple of doom. Raiders gets clean here, cause IMO it doesn't have scene that would qualify for a Fonzie shark-jump trophy.
Anyway, my point is that everyone who is bitching about the nuked fridge in KOTCS doesn't get the Indy movies, or KOTCS was the 1st Indy movie this person saw. On topic, this 39 Clues thing sounds like a Cash-in job for Spielberg. The dude is hanging out with Lucas too much. -
Your statement about KOTCS critics not "getting" Indy movies or never having seen one before is so preposterous that I can't believe you just posted it. Many, if not all of the critics of the movie are upset because they love the first three movies and feel like Lucas and Spielberg are actually the ones who don't "get" Indy Jones anymore. I understand you like the movie and want to defend it, but you you know full well that it's a false claim.
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..I left KOTC with a feeling that something wasn't quite right but I couldn't put my finger on it. I think your critique of "what-was done-as-CG-but-really-could-have been-done-as-effectively-with traditional-special-effects" is spot on: It removed a good deal of my suspension of disbelief, and made me focus too hard on what was being "cheaped-out" on as opposed to old-fashioned film-making techniques. I suspect that alone would have greatly improved my movie-going experience.
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The old shaman who was waiting for the by the river said that Shiva brought them there to defeat the Thuggee and save the village and its children. Shiva wouldn't have his heroes if Indy, Willie and Shorty got pulped in the plane jump before they could do what Shiva sent them there to do. And, Indy later uses the power of Shiva himself to destroy Mola Ram, and acknowledges Shiva's power in the Sankara stones when the old shaman basically says "I told you so". There is an internal logic built into TOD: the power of Shiva. KOTCS doesn't have the umbrella of godly power that the other films have. Indy just survives something that everyone who's grown up under the threat of nuclear annihilation knows is absolutely impossible. I'll buy the plane jump for that reason (and because it was a practical effect, and because people have survived worse falls, etc.) before I'll buy somebody not being vaporized at ground zero of a nuclear blast, and then surviving after being thrown miles and miles through the air and crashing in the desert without even getting a headache.
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Interesting analysis.
“Surviving a nuclear explosion inside a fridge? Fucking ridiculous...”
But hanging on to a submarines periscope (what? It never submerged?) in Raiders Of The Lost Ark and surviving falling from a plane by using an inflatable raft in Temple Of Doom is realistic?
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It was close enough, and you saw the house he was in disintegrate. Don't split hairs. You can't defend that turd.
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I am tired of all this "nuke the fridge" bullshit.
If you people were actually paying attention during that sequence, and not bitching about the "rocket train" or whatever else, you would've realized that the nuke that exploded was at least a couple of miles from "Nuclear City" or whatever the name is. There is a very clear shot in the movie establishing this fact.The whole test was similar to what the US Army did back in the 40s to test the effects of a nuclear blast close to populated area. You've seen all the classic video of the houses being blown away by the blast of wind, no the explosion itself. -
Little to no action. 87% exposition. Sets that could have been on Angel. No spirit of adventure. No wit. No magic. An ending ripped directly off of the first X-Files movie. Shia Labeouf. It was a travesty.
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Save for Lost World and the Beginning on Saving Private Ryan, it shows he doesn't give a shit
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Firstly, I not only liked 'Indiana Jones IV' (and WAR OF THE WORLDS) but went to see it TWICE. The first viewing had poor sound and it was difficult to make heads or tails out of Kate Blanchett's cartoonish Boris & Natashia impersonation. Atrocious dialogue...great scenery chewing.
The second time I took my wife...a HUGE "Indy" fan of the first three movies. She liked "Temple Of Doom". I thought it was a great John Carpenter flick made by Joe Dante.
We both score high points for Episodes 1 & 3.
A nuked fridge? Bad CGI? Gophers & Monkeys? Who fucking cares? It was 2 hours of mindless FUN. No more. No less. What the fuck were you expecting -- KUBRICK?
I went in expecting NOTHING. It was being made by two guys who clearly have no statements left to make. Though if Lucas could just make a SECOND good film before he finally cacks (wanna see BAD special effects? Your honour, I present: Star Wars The Complete Sad-gas), I'm sure he'd be happy to have one movie as good as the first Indiana Jones. But it was a co-production with Spielberg so Lucas doesn't get the goal...merely an assist. Lucas's ONLY homerun was 'American Graffitti' because he hadn't learned how to overthink and fuck with his own creations yet. Why do you think he hasn't tampered with that one?
And as for Mr. Speilberg...well, folks seem to have forgotten that he made "I Wanna Hold Your Hand", "Arachnophobia" and "1941" as well as box office gold. For every 'Schindler's List' there was a 'Hook'. For every "ET" there was an "Amistad".
But the boy has some serious movie-making mojo. You don't get the luxury of making shit movies unless you're able to make HITS. So rifle on all you want. The guy's going to continue masturbating his World War II scarred psyche AND putting his money into box-office bombast -- with no plot, no internal logic, and no credibility -- so that the next generation of Lucas's and Spielberg's will have studios to make them in.
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I mean, come on, Indy gets dragged under a truck for what, about a mile? And he survives without even a scratch on him. BULL. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE. Not to mention surviving lashing himself to the periscope of a submarine. The fact is, if RAIDERS were released today, it would be savaged by the internet geeks such as the ones that talkback on AICN. Modern fanboys want "realistic" movie heroes. Indy is just a relic of a bygone era. A nostalgia trip. Nothing more.
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I never said that KOTCS critics don't get Indy movies. I said that people who bitch about the damn fridge don't. It's like 15 seconds of a 2 hour film. Bitching constantly about 15 seconds is not a valid critique in my book. Same goes for the mine cart chase, the plane jump, the horseback Indy beating a tank, the Indy meeting Hitler and getting an autograph etc. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those who apologize everything about KOTCS, but I still had fun at the cinema watching it.
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It has lost some of the edge it had in the eighties. I mean, the guy practically stripped Indiana Jones of a gun for Christ's Sakes! And don't get me started on his neutering of E.T. for the latest generation. He should stick to crazy-ass adult movies like Munich. That was genuinely exciting stuff. Same with the middle section of Saving Private Ryan (as in minus the old man bookends) and the beginning of A.I. And the less gay parts of Minority Report...Okay so there's a lot of things to work on. But Munich still kicks ass.
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Jun 25, 2008 5:04:37 PM CDT
Dannyglover, I rarely find myself agreeing with the things you w
by shut the fuck up donny
but I really think you're spot on. I don't recall if you liked Iron Man or not, but Favreau obviously wasn't afraid to use tangible special effects (with CG too, obviously) to make things seem more palpable.
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Spielberg hasn't made a great film since Schindler's List. Key word there is 'great.' He's gone flat. Wasting his talent on hackney, stupid shit. Indiana Jones was no exception. No one needs his take on more bullshit. Especially Lincoln. Especially with his shit lighting. God-damned 'film'maker makes films which look like digital. Blown out skies, etc.. He's not even critical of his own work anymore. HACK, HACK, HACK. I don't even feel respected as an audience member anymore. So why should I care? P.S. The Amazon doesn't have 'natural roads' on which Indiana Jones can drive, next to cliffs, with vines that can be swung on 'hanging around' at leisure. Either he thinks I'm an idiot, which makes him one, or he doesn't think about me at all, which makes him an idiot. I don't want to believe he's an idiot, but why shouldn't I?
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Practical effects can only be done under the right circumstances. There were very few in Indy4. I think there is TONS in Indy4 they could have improved visually. Some of those things could have been done with CG some with more practical effects. The effects sucked in INDY4. That said, you and I are not Visual Effect supervisors so lets just agree they sucked. Let's also agree that the truck chase in ROTLA is one of the best examples of practical effects and real stunt work in film history....period
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Jun 25, 2008 5:14:13 PM CDT
Also, Merrick I am calling you out! You are a fucking bitch!
by proman1984
And you suck ass. Bitch!
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Jun 25, 2008 5:35:14 PM CDT
Indy IV, good points, bad points. Discuss.
by the gospel according to bastardface
It'll be interesting to see people's opinions, because no one is bored of talking about it yet.
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is why he continues to indulge that self imposed shut-in franchise killer, and hack writer that lives up in Marin Co. Really.
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path to pedestrian filmmaking.
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Here are the differences.
1. A WW2 U-boat spent 90% of its time above water..only submerging during attack as they had minimal Battery life, were slow underwater, and had no way to clean the air. Therefore if the destination were close, as it apparently was given the similarity of the terrain to previous shots, Indy in theory could have simply ridden out the short hours long voyage near the Con tower without even getting wet. 2. It is possible that Indy could have well weathered being pulled under a truck. Given the Soft condition of the road, the sub 30MPH of the typical fully laden WW2 area truck, and the durability of Indys' clothing...I see no problem with the very fit Indy getting pulled a mile or so down the road.
However, I DO have issue with Dr.Jones being exposed to massive doses of gamma radiation and the extreme heat and blast effects of a 10-20Kt Nuclear device with nothing but the thin sheetmetal skin of a 50's vintage Refer to shield him...THATS BULLSHIT. -
may turn out to be a billion dollar franchise. $10K what a fucking insult.
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And considering Spielberg stunned us with how they can be used (He made us see dinosaurs for the first time!!) KOTCSF had some pretty lame use of computer generated visuals. Besides consider how old school RAMBO was and how effectively CG was used in that film, and how forgiving we are towrads them for their sheer character and intergration - Spielbergo and lucas really screwed us...
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... even if it was only near the EDGE of the actual explosion and destroyed everything else around said Fridge but the fridge itself, just 'cos it had 'lead lining' on it, and even though I was send flying MILES into the air and landed on relatively hard ground, I actually was rather OK and not really hurt that much at all. So that really is not far fetched at all. -------------------------- But the only reason why any of what I wrote was possible, is because I was constanly muttering 'EllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPageEllenPage' throughout. And THAT folks!!!! - is how this story is credible!
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And you know this will be a hit.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:31:36 PM CDT
To be clear, I still think this is still a prdicer only project
by proman1984
Doubt he will direct or much less comit to another franchise so soon after Tin Tin.
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Jun 25, 2008 7:31:36 PM CDT
To be clear, I still think this is still a prdicer only project
by proman1984
Doubt he will direct or much less comit to another franchise so soon after Tin Tin.
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... for something that resembled a school pantomine. I loved how all those scenes that had that staged look and feel and safeness about them could succeed in being as nearly as believable as that crappy unconvincing leader of the 3 Wize Men that I played at my school pantomine play itself, whereby I kept on getting my directions wrong when I was supposed to walk around the audience and then get to the baby Jesus only to end up falling at the feet of that redheaded young chick that I fancied at the time and asked if I could be HER baby for the duration of pantomine make believe. Yes the fact that any chick that beautiful would have a guy like me - ESPECIALLY after writing this amound of bullshit that you spunkybrain fuckos are so dumb enough to be reading right now, well I just find that oh so unrealistic and totally not believable in any way at all, but the fact that Indy 4 is NEARLY as believable as this or when Man on Fire Richard Pryor fell down a building in skis only to safely slide off of the lobby glass exterior tiny roof at the bottom, well that makes Indy 4 the best movie ever - for kids who attended the Aint It Cool Spastic School. Anyone want me as their teacher? I can spank you if you like.
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Film is definitely a "What have you done for me LATELY?" sort of medium, and lately, Spielberg has made films that I have not liked very much. I didn't read much about SKULL before seeing it because I didn't want to be spoiled, but seeing it was a horrible disappointment on every single level - character, story, effects, dialogue, etc. Honestly, aside from SKULL, I can't remember the last major film I saw that only had 10-15 minutes of quality time in it (that time would be the greaser fight and campus motorcycle chase). Everybody knew Lucas was on shaky ground, but I expected Spielberg to ensure quality control in SKULL. I liked MUNICH, but I haven't liked any other projects since then that have had the Spielberg name on them in any capacity. As was said above, the guy is in full-on walkie-talkie mode these days. Sad.
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Film is definitely a "What have you done for me LATELY?" sort of medium, and lately, Spielberg has made films that I have not liked very much. I didn't read much about SKULL before seeing it because I didn't want to be spoiled, but seeing it was a horrible disappointment on every single level - character, story, effects, dialogue, etc. Honestly, aside from SKULL, I can't remember the last major film I saw that only had 10-15 minutes of quality time in it (that time would be the greaser fight and campus motorcycle chase). Everybody knew Lucas was on shaky ground, but I expected Spielberg to ensure quality control in SKULL. I liked MUNICH, but I haven't liked any other projects since then that have had the Spielberg name on them in any capacity. As was said above, Spielberg is in full-on walkie-talkie mode these days. Sad.
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Loves me some internet hiccups...
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Not one person has mentioned "39 Clues" yet. If you were dissapointed by Crystal Skull...Either move the fuck on, or get a life. The fact that you can't stop talking about it proves that it was an unforgettable movie, good or bad. Spielberg cashes in on your incessant ramblings, remember that. It's volunteer advertising!
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did you ever think people don't give a fuck about speilbergs next project, and the reason for that is because there's a certain screwed over feeling from his last outting. to be fair to the fans, they have every right to feel screwed over, not just with the film itself, but with the BULLSHIT fed to us during the films production stuff like "shot like the old films" "script comparable to raiders" "Practical special effects over cgi" "cut on a steambeck" - bullshit, this thing was so digital there's absolutely no reason to believe they'd have it re-scanned to film to have it physically cut.
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Damn You MCMLXXVI
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Ishtar, and Mutha fuckin Phantom Menace as well...
Why?
Because they lick the backside of Lucifers sweaty sack thats why.No amount of tits, named stars of CGI could save those disasters.
Just think of it this way...Why do we bitch about Spielberg and Lucas? because they have given us nothing in the last decade that hasn't become but a way for film fans to reference mediocrity.
I don't know if it is a lessening of talent, the aging process..or just two men who sold their souls for merchandising profits....but whatever the reason these two men who once gave us so much have become nothing to us. -
that screwed over feeling your talking about is only experienced by a small percent of the demographic. From Lucas and Spielbergs point of view, they definately compromised the artistic integrity of the original movies in order to cash in. If you look back, Temple of Doom was WAY different than Raiders, continuity wise. As was Last Crusade. This new film is also different...If anything, I didn't like all of the references to the previous Indy movies, like the quick shot of the Ark, and Marions character. The film looses a certain self-sustainable quality that the other 3 films had. But oh well, I still liked it...when you sit back and stop over analyzing the movie is a lot better.
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I remember the BS these guys fed us as well. And what do we get instead? A Movie so laden with CGI, bad writing and piss poor direction that Pixars latest seems to have more heart and be "real".
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The problem with the fridge for me, isn't the idea/ concept/ execution per se, but the timing. It occurs far too early in the movie. If it had been the climactic sequence (Indy hides in fridge to escape blast off from Alien Spaceship or something) then it would have been tacky but OK. I could have lived with it. However, it occurs fucking early in the movie. Are you honestly trying to tell me that anything he faced after that was more likely to kill him than a Nuclear blast? if you face the most dangerous thing early, then it deflates the rest of the film. Overall. Not good enough to defend, not bad enough to really hate. Just Meh. Which is probably the worst thing an Indy film can be.
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How is there supposed to be any tension when Indy gets in a fistfight near the end of the film when he has already survived an atomic blast? Esculation of action and tension is what make good action movies work
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Let's go over this again, the true danger to Indy in the "nuked fridge" scene was the blast and heat from the bomb. When a nuclear bomb drops on your ass, believe me, radiation poisoning is the least of your fucking worries, because you're now being exposed to a multi-megaton blast equivalent to so many tons of TNT and six-digit thermal heat temperatures. The main radiological hazard a nuclear bomb poses to anyone who survives the blast from a bomb is the nuclear fallout hazard which comes much later. fyi, they didn't build nuclear bombs so they could irradiate everyone to death, it's a bomb, it was built because it releases a very powerful EXPLOSION OF FORCE, radiation is just an unwanted side-effect.
So, again, assuming the atomic test town is a proper distance from ground zero (and one should assume it must be, it was built to see what could survive a blast, any numbnuts would know nothing would remain if it were too close to initial blast point), and Indy being inside a lead-lined fridge, radiation poisoning posed no substantial hazard to Indy. It's the blast and heat that would have killed him, and being inside a sturdy thermally insulated 50's steel refrigerator, Indy very well could have survived, assuming that the initial shockwave of the blast does indeed propel him through the sky and still further from the initial effects of the bomb.
So that's the real empirical question, would the bomb have propelled the fridge through the sky like it did in the movie? I'd think not, but at that point, you have to remember you're watching an Indiana Jones movie...
There'll be a quiz later, poetic. -
I was always bugged by that scene, but not for the science of it. I am ok with some fake shit. As a matter of fact, that all three movies. Dude could not be dragged by a truck, dude could not fall from a plane, and dude could not even take half the shit they threw at him. The fact is Lost Jarv is right, its about the story. You can't top that situation and you can't top that shot. The wide shot of the blast was copied at the end. The only difference is at the end he looks up at a flying saucer. Not as dangerous as a nuclear explosion. once again it's the script who's the looser. Well, and us for watching the poorly contrived backlot extravaganzzzzaa.
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fuck this cg shit, I won't see a movie unless there's a practical nuke blast. That's how Cameron did, yea that's right, he made the late great Stan Winston build a real bomb and they really blew up LA. You didn't notice the change after 91'? Allot of people thought all that damage was from that earthquake....NO, it was a nuke. That's how REAL filmmakers do it bitch.
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Jun 26, 2008 9:35:15 AM CDT
pr0g2west, I mentionned that Spielberg produced Transformers
by spandau belly
I really like Munich, but other than that he's been on a really bad streak lately.I mean, most of at one point we would be interested in something BECAUSE of Spielberg's involvement, in fact it's probably what got most people to read this article. But Indy 4 didn't feel like the Spielberg standard that had earned that status. Indy 4 felt like Roland Emmerich's Indiana Jones or Rob Coen's Indiana Jones. And I mean come on, Transformers? I don't know what his producer credit for that movie involved, but I'd ask to have my name taken of that thing. Most of us are just expressing doubt about the quality of his output but hoping he'll turn it around.
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Here's one: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/aug/06/japan.secondworldwar1Debate the plausibility as you will, but in the end, whether Indy could have survived the nuked fridge or not is a moot point. The point is he survived it. He's Indy, one badass mofo whose been through a helluva lot of shit and who, even at 65, throws one helluva punch. Indy is a superhero. He doesn't wear tights or a cape. He’s got a fedora, a leather jacket, and a bullwhip, and sometimes a gun. He’s educated and improvisational. As I posted previously, these movies are exercises in imagination. Some of you analyze them as though they are an essay on the human condition and they’re just not. Indy films are comic book movies, they're serialistic, which allows for a variety of adventures, some over the top, some more rooted in reality, but ultimately all of them stem from the imagination. Good for Lucas. Good for Spielberg. Maybe it's not what you would have come up with for Indy, but since when is Indy your property? Same goes for the Star Wars films. Don't get me wrong, KOTCS was not a good movie IMO (though I did think it was fun – there’s a difference), but if you feel some great injustice has been done, that's on you, not the filmmakers. They just do what they want to do and have no obligation beyond that. If they said one thing and delivered another, that's still not an injustice. For all they knew they did have something on par with Raiders. It's simply their view against yours.
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I couldn't have said it any better!
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would be Philip Roth's The Plot Against America. Terrific novel, right up Spielberg's alley.
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that might actually be a good property.
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