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Check out the pretty sweet poster for Rob Zombie's Tyrannosaurus Rex!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. People assume I hate Rob Zombie because of my opinion of his HALLOWEEN remake and the rather upset review of his script for the movie. Truth is, I like DEVIL'S REJECTS quite a bit and I think if he focuses his filmmaking he can turn out really fun, disturbing and horrific work. So, when I saw the poster (thanks to a tip off from DDOG) for his upcoming TYRANNOSAURUS REX over at Shock Till You Drop my immediate reaction was, "That's pretty cool," and "Cool tagline." (PS Zombie released it through his MySpace page!) I don't know what the movie's about, but I know it's due for a late '09 release, so I'd say this is something that is made to sell the flick... maybe to foreign markets. Looks fun... it actually looks like something I'd see on the shelf at the mom and pop video store as a kid. The kind of thing that wouldn't be at the chain store, but you could find at the family owned store... that was often run down and smelled like mold, but had the films that kind of felt dangerous to watch. What do you folks think?


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  • June 23, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Starring Rob Zombie as Himself!

    by Lance Rocke

    he's coming after you, Quint!

  • June 23, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    BADASS

    by PresidentBauer

    THIS LOOKS, SAYS YODA. Looks like cross between Machete and the cover of a fabio romance novel.

  • June 23, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Love it.

    by mr.brownstone

    A lot.

  • June 23, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I like the poster

    by slone13

    The movie probably won't be that good though.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    lmao

    by robotdevil

  • June 23, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Four Strikes?

    by critch

    Seriously, Zombie has made two bad movies and one downright awful one. Why he's not mentioned in the same breath as Uwe Boll is beyond me.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    100% lame

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    What is this guys fascination with creepy hilljacks?

  • June 23, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Dinosaurs?

    by thebatturtle

    is there actually a T-Rex in the movie? or is TYRANNOSAURUS REX just the name of that scary looking guy with the guns and tattoos?

  • June 23, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    moldy video stores with stained carpets and obscure B movies...

    by hamster factor

    I remember those

  • June 23, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Hey

    by blu72

    Reminds me of the Frank Frazetta poster for The Gauntlet.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    is that fergi or sheri?

    by chainsaw1974

    just wondering im sure its sheri, what became of the animated el superbeasto?

  • June 23, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Hey, it can't be worse than his Halloween...

    by TVguy4566

    Can it? <br><br> I am resigned to the fact that Zombie is limited in his range. He can only really do certain types of characters and they usually reside in 70s style hillbilly white trash. It clearly didn't work in his Halloween which even without comparing it to the original Halloween was a bad movie. <br><br> I do think one of the biggest problems with his Halloween movie though was the fact he was trying to do his own movie and squeeze it into the Halloween template. Like trying to stick a square peg into a round hole. He seemed to have an original story to tell and tried to force it into the Michael Myers legacy. Maybe with his own original story he can fair better.<br><br> I have always felt that even at his best, Zombie is an undisciplined and uneven director. But from his very limited body of work, he does fair better with his own source material.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    poster is great

    by Vern

    but doesn't bode well for my theory that Tyrannosaurus Rex will be a character played by Tyler Mane. Unless they're paying homage to the way painted video covers didn't resemble the actors in the movies, or unless he gained weight and lost height for the role.<p> And by the way, if Rob Zombie can make this movie, how the fuck is Robert Rodriguez NOT making MACHETE right now? The dude has half an hour done, a star who would probaly pay him money to be in the movie, an entire studio and special effects facility in his backyard, and experience making movies quickly for no money. Get to work, buddy. The world is waiting, but the world is fickle. We can only anticipate a Jeff Fahey movie for so long.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    BTW, Rob please limit your wife's screen time

    by TVguy4566

    She did her best work on Halloween. She was surprisingly decent at times when she wasn't playing over the top and more subdued acting. But when you get her into her Firefly family role, she was annoying as shit and just downright horrible. I think she works best in small, more subdued roles. <br><br> Granted from the poster, I am guessing Zombie gave her a large part where she will ham it up shamelessly.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Devils Rejects 3??

    by kafka07

    Zombie seems to like the two guys one girl arrangement.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    clowns

    by Project424

    i'd like to make a request, Mr. Zombie: have the dinosaur eat a clown... that'd be rad.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    That is a movie I will pay money to see

    by Doctor Phibes

    That has badass oozing out of every pore. However, there is a certain amount of alcohol one must consume before going to see a film like that. Maybe they could do a triple feature with that, Zombie Strippers, and Snakes on a Plane. It's good to see exploitation movies trying to make a comeback.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I second Vern's motion

    by jimmy rabbitte

    We need the MACHETE movie now.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Zombie Ripped Off The Tagline From...

    by umlaut555

    ... Lemmy and Motorhead.. It's on the back of a Motorhead shirt: http://motorhead.shop.bravadousa.com/Product.aspx?cp=1081_5493&pc=BGCTMR18 Yeah, he flipped the numbers.. but it's still LAME of him to rip off Lemmy..

  • June 23, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    stay out of hollywood zombie

    by seabiscuits

    your movies need not be constricted by their rules, make x rated movies and maybe you'll make a good one for once.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    You got to admire...

    by depalma25

    The simple fact that he gets, over and over again, the privelage, to make whatever movie he wants to. I'm not a big fan of any of his films so far (altough I kinda found Devils Rejects mildy ammusing), but the dude seems to be chugging along. He writes and directs his own stuff so it's not like he ruining someone else's material. Yes, Halloween is a remake, but it was "the Rob Zombie" version. It would have been nice to see a solid retelling of the Mike Myer's lore, but he stepped up to the plate. He does remind of a Genre Facist though, where anything but the genre he occupies,is worth seeing. One can only watch so much dysfunction on that sick level for so long. It's not escapism, and it's not intellectual filmmaking. It's white-trash masturbatory theater. That's not neccisarily a critisicm, just an observation. He has an audience. Like I said, more power to him

  • June 23, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    i meant "not worth seeing"

    by depalma25

  • June 23, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Looks awesome.

    by JKrow21

    I hope we get old school special effects.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    I hope...

    by DigitalBeachWar

    ... this isn't real.

  • June 23, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Put down the Bong Rob. Cut your hair

    by hatespeech

    get a job.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Diamond Dallas Page, Ken Foree & Sheri Moon

    by hktelemacher

    If it is in fact in anyway related to The Nail - which it may very loosely be.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Hmmm...

    by SebastianHaff

    I continue to be amused by 1,000 Corpses. I genuinely love it for all the wacky nonsense. Fun flick. Devil's Rejects, to me, is untouchable. The purest of all the recent 70's homages we've been offered in recent years. Easily one of my favorite films of the 200's, second only to Session 9. Halloween has grown on me quite a bit. It's definitely not Carpenter's, but the more I see it the more I appreciate it as a different approach to the same material. That having been said, Tyrannosaurus Rex looks fucking awesome. Doesn't Zombie have a new album coming out, too? Very exciting.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    so a movie poster realy can make you hard

    by postalpez

    so a movie poster realy can make you hard. I thought that was just a term. thank you rob zombie for the woodie

  • June 24, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Is Rob Zombie's T REX Animated???

    by sideshowrob

    IMDB Shows Zombie's current project listed as THE HAUNTED WORLD OF EL SUPERBEASTO. Paul Giamatti and return Zombie playas Sherry Moon Z, Danny Trejo, Geoffrey Lewis, and Brian Posehn are all listed as "Voices". Its brief description ties in somewhat to the poster. If this was be anything like an animated version of Robt Rodriguez' Grindhouse-MACHETE Trailer, it could be Balls-Out Fun!!

  • June 24, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    AFTER CANNIBAL ATTACK MY TITS ARE FALLING OUT

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    Damn straight.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    hey, umlaut555

    by postalpez

    who would win in a fight, Lemmy or God?

  • June 24, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    El Superbeasto

    by Gozu

    That's a completely different project based on his comic book of the same name.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:17 a.m. CST

    This Thing LOOKS Like It Smells Like Shit...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...as does Zombie.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Where the fuck is MACHETE and THANKSGIVING?!!!

    by Mike_D

    Why is Rob releasing a grindhouse flick and not these two kick ass movies?

  • June 24, 2008, 12:31 a.m. CST

    100% KICK ASS

    by The Dum Guy

    <br>Thats what should be at the bottom.<br>

  • June 24, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I'M SO THERE, BETA MAX READY...

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    looks like something I used to rent without mom and dad's permission as a kid. hope it's got that synth music, a la John Carpenter style. =0)

  • June 24, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    postalpez

    by Holodigm

    Trick question. Lemmy IS God.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    liked zombies music loathed his "visionary" films

    by eoneon

    i think an anime is the best way to go for him

  • June 24, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    anyone think

    by I Cant Believe I Actually Registered

    this looks like the box to a sega game?

  • June 24, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Halloween

    by BRUTICUS

    was WAVES upon WAVES better than Rejects and that other crap movie he made. WOW. Those movies sucked. I love Zombies music, mostly White Zombie. But WOW. Those movies were garbage. If you're gonna make a movie where the bad guys are VERY hate worthy then you want to see them BURN, KILLED. BRUTALLY. Not gunned down in a roadblock, laughing listening to freebird. If you are going to have a killer that PREVAILS. Make him a BAD ASS. Not some dumb ass clown that you can only hate. Make him a BAD ASS. Give him a twist, some unique interesting characteristics. Make him kill people in interesting ways.

  • June 24, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Hopefully...

    by dvdhound79

    Sheri won't be in this trying to flaunt what she has left. Which, sigh, just isn't that great anymore Rob. Just not great at all.

  • June 24, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    51% Motherfucker 49% Son of a Bitch

    by otm shank

    = 100% Mothersonfuckabitch!

  • June 24, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    cant stand Rob Zombie

    by Atomica

    haven't been able to since he broke White Zombie up. I hate his solo albums and his films even more. I know no one cares, but i wanted it to be said that i think he's a cheap hack with little to no talent, full of pure denseless shock value.

  • June 24, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I´m not proud of it

    by CuervoJones

    But i dig Rob Zombie´s shit. This is the best poster i´ve seen in decades.

  • June 24, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    What about the Haunted World of El Superbeasto

    by RokurGepta

    when does that movie come out?

  • June 24, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie is the new Quentin Tarantino

    by WhoDis

    Except without the talent. And even Quentin's in short supply of that these days.

  • June 24, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    'New' Halloween Gave Me Tyrannosaurus Hives

    by Prague23

    I just thought Zombie was funny til he fucked that up. Maybe he'll regain my sense of humour with this flic. It is a funny poster.

  • June 24, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Zombie Films = Total Shite

    by masteryoda007

    Sho nuff......nuff said aight

  • June 24, 2008, 3:50 a.m. CST

    should stick to making shitty music

    by Prossor

  • June 24, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    I'm surprised nobody asked this yet

    by kungfuhustler84

    but why does the ground look like that? And kudos to Rob for doing the stuff he loves and creating crazy nast movies your mom wouldn't touch. I didn't even know about this project but I will be tracking it now for sure after seeing that art. And i agree with Vern. Where the fuck is my Machete movie? Straight to DVD, with all the Rodruguez extra fixins!!!

  • June 24, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    although I must say

    by kungfuhustler84

    Zombie's ONLY good movie he's made so far is the Devil's Rejects. That ending with Free Bird as they all go out in a hail of gunfire glory is still one of my favorite scenes in a movie.

  • June 24, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Clown-eating dinosaurs? Not as cool as...

    by Baked

    Dinosaur-shaped shadowpuppets made by killer clowns eating old ladies!

  • June 24, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Let me guess... could it be... about...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    ...foul-mouthed, drinkin', shootin', killin' hicks? <p> Naah, not in Rob "Zombie's" movie, right?

  • June 24, 2008, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Yeah, let's just rip-off 'Machete'

    by cerebulon

    C'mon, that's just the Machete concept reworked a bit.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Very 1974-ish

    by Yeti

    meh.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    The Halloween remake was ambitious.

    by beastie

    Truth be told, I never liked the original... until I saw the remake. Yeah - the remake sucked but it made me appreciate the original and it was amitious. Zombie tried something new for the series and something new for himself. It didn't work, but it, at least had it's merits.</p><p>I think this is one of the damn coolest posters I've ever seen. I hope it comes out with Machete.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Tell me that doesn't look like the

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • June 24, 2008, 6:43 a.m. CST

    crap friggin enter button

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • June 24, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Not again

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Okay, he looks like Sex Machine from From Dusk til Dawn.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Zombie . . .

    by fireclown

    Has a lot of promise. I think he has at least one real, real classic in him. God knows Halloween wasn't it, but it's in there. This won't be it, but how wrong can you go with THAT for Pete's sake? I'm in. If it IS dinosaurs eating clowns, I'll see it twice. I fucking hate clowns.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Here's my ususal Zombie plug

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCsRN70XXxo

  • June 24, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Its gonna rock!

    by damnimgood

    This is a live action version of the graphic novel that Zombie co wrote with Steve "30 Days of night" Niles called The Nail. Its about a semi pro wrestler on tour in Dakota with his family who getted picked on by a group of satanic bikers from hell! The graphic novel is awesome and i've high hopes for this one. Bring it on!

  • June 24, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie's Wall-E

    by Dr Gregory House

    51% Johnny 5...49% tin can lookin' motherfucker

  • June 24, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Next year's Little Miss Zombie

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Teh sukk!

  • June 24, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Wannabe Quentin Rodriguez

    by Abominable Snowcone

    with more than a few pinches of Hillbilly spice thrown in.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Poster looks badass

    by mefrog

    the movie will probably be shit though. I enjoyed devils rejects for what it was but abslutley hated Halloween. Well see in time maybe I'm way off. As far as I'm concerned zombie has one more chance to prove himself. He has a cool style that pops up occasionally. I loved the final scene in rejects when the firefly family accepts their fate. Great.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    But does the T-Rex have a broadsword?

    by br1947

  • June 24, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Zombie is the new Woody Allen/Kevin Smith.

    by Knuckleduster

    They keep doing the same thing over and over again, but we keep coming back for more because we can't get enough of it. I like that (even though I'm on the verge of giving up with Kevin).<p> I will admit that Rob isn't a very disciplined director, but his skills as a storyteller have grown from 1000 Corpses. He's at that stage where his actors almost seem to have some chemistry.<p> P.S. More Sherri moon, please.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Should have had Simon Bisley paint it.

    by cornponious

    That is all.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    51% Motherfucker, 68% Son of a Bitch is funnier

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    For some reason, I keep hoping for the best from this Rob Zombie fellow. I hated The House Of Exactly One Thousand (No More, No Less) Corpses, but I thought he improved quite a bit with Devil's Rejects. And as much as I hated his take on Halloween, I'm prepared to give him a pass since that film felt like it was compromised. The first half, even if it didn't quite work, was at least an attempt to do something different, while the second half was just a dull retread of the original. Maybe it would have been better if he'd have been allowed to make the whole film his way.<p>So, I'll hope for the best (again) with this one. I like the daffy old-school poster art. It looks like something I would have rented on Beta from Mike's Video back in the Eighties.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    its written by the guy who made journeyman

    by ciroslive

    Its about a guy who hates dinosaurs and wakes up in the body of a T-Rex

  • June 24, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Tim and Eric

    by Series7

    Anyone remember Zombie on Tim and Eric's Awesome show? He was the jet ski driving dude, it was stupid but really funny to see him do that. I am amazed the people they get on that thing. <P> Anyways, I will be there opening day. I somehow managed to see all of Zombies movies in theaters, which yeah he's 2 for 3. House was a good first time thing and Devils was fucking amazing those opening and closing scenes. Even my girlfriend who while hated the movie for its violence saw that it was well done and held her interests. <P> Does't Rob have some cartoon movie coming out or something????

  • June 24, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Awesometastic

    by XOMuffintop

    All I can say about this.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Halloween

    by Buffalo500

    I had average hopes for his Halloween remake, the best I was hoping for was a guilty pleasure type film, but god that was one awful film. It seemed he tried to make a horror film that was devoid of tension, atmosphere and scares and he succeeded admirably. I don't care that is based on a classic, just taking it on it's own it's a huge failure.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I love it

    by TVguy4566

    Now it is, "If you don't like Rob Zombie, you aren't smart enough to understand Rob Zombie movies". Yeah, because Zombie movies are soooooooo subtile and multilayered. The guy has some talent, but he is unfocused and really has no range as a director. He seems to be content making movies over and over again trapped in his 70s style white trash universe and has an ADD approach to storytelling. Until he gets more focus and range, I will never take him seriously as a director. <br><br> As for the Halloween and Fog remakes, both were abominations. Except I was never really attached to the orginal Fog. It was a good horror movie for it's time, but it wasn't a classic horror movie. I thought the Fog remake was a horrible movie, but it never tried to portray itself any other way than a make a few bucks on the horror movie remake crazy by throwing in a bunch of TV stars and making it PG-13 by-the-numbers watered down remake. Zombie portrayed his Halloween as a new vision and insight into what made Michael Myers tick. If Zombie got undo criticism, it is his own fault. He hyped a mediocre slasher film as the next classic horror movie.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    and 100% shit film

    by quantize

    fucking get with it, the fact ANYONE excuses ANY of his films (particularly that half assed exploitation attempt in Corpses) is fucking pathetic, they make the worst most amateur horror efforts look like genius..

  • June 24, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    'THE DEVIL'S REJECT is pretty much already a classic of the genr

    by quantize

    oh just fuck off, repeating it doesn't actually make it true

  • June 24, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Devil Rejects is not a classic in its genre

    by TVguy4566

    Unless, you consider ADD driven slasher movies based on white trash serial killers its own genre. I enjoyed the Devils Rejects for what it was, but it is far from a classic. It was uneven and unfocused. It couldn't been a classic if Zombie had more focus or at least a better editor.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by Halloween68

    Zombie's a hack. DEVIL'S REJECTS was just okay. Not the masterpiece everybody's making it out to be, but still okay, at the very most it was entertaining. Just because it's 70s-ish doesn't make it a masterpiece. He's trying to emulate his favorite films growing up. That's great. He's not there yet. Everything else he's done stinks worst than beans on a 2 day old jock strap. Oh, and P.S., he's also a jerk. I met him once when he was still with White Zombie at a restaurant in NC. All this said, the poster looks good. Maybe this one will actually live to the hype.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Uggh, When Will This Kitschy, Campy Trend Be Over

    by cowboyone

    Tarantino and Rodriguez already beat it to death. Do we need more silly schlock? I don't get the appeal.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Amen, YackBacker

    by cowboyone

    You nailed it. Tiresome.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Zombie...

    by BRUTICUS

    Rob Zombie should really make a fucking crazy animated film.... In the style or even with the same characters he drew for White Zombie La Sexorcisto. Seriously. That would be rad. Cause House of Corpses and Rejects are more like cartoons to me. They aren't scary at all. You HATE the characters but never get the satisfaction of seeing them get what they deserve for being such lame characters. <p><p> Serious Rob, go back and do something in animated form with that crazy 70's sci-fi, cosmic monsters, demons and sexy pornstar chicks.<p><p>thanxabunch

  • June 24, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Ha! That poster makes me laugh!

    by rev_skarekroe

    In a good way. Hopefully this will cement my theory that Zombie is a Star Trek director - that is to say, his even numbered films are good and his odd numbered ones are sucky.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    I have a plot for you.

    by BRUTICUS

    Time is up and Satan has decided it's time to for Armageddon for us earthlings he sends his elite squad of planet smashers, a group of cosmic monsters and demons. The leader (second in command only to satan) is a demon flower. So the planet smashers get in a spaceship and travel to earth to tear the place up. Back on Earth, things are looking like the Jetsons, 1970s version of what the year 2000 would look like. You know big tittied sexy pornstar looking chicks wearing silver suits and shooting lasers. When Satans peeps arrive in their spaceship a galacticpolice force group of guys try to look all tough, but they are useless and they have to get these chicks with the lasers to come in and save the earth from satan and his crew. The chicks have a mad scientist that turn the cops into all kinds of human monsters to make them actually useful. So these cops turn into zombies, werewolves and other human created monsters all of them grovelling trying to impress the sexy sci-fi chicks killing the cosmic monsters. <p><p> The battle should take place both on a moonbase (complete with fake looking set) and in a futuristic city on earth.<p><p><p> Or you know something like that, now let me get back to listening to PRONG

  • June 24, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    If it was the summer before Junior High started

    by INWOsuxRED

    I might be interested in this.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    THE FILM OUTLINE (the real one)

    by Fish Tank

    Yes damnimgood, it is based on the graphic novel<br><br> The plot:<br> Hunted in one of the most desolate regions of America, preyed upon by an evil that does not sleep, Rex Hauser is The Nail - and it's time he took a stand. A semi-pro wrestler, Hauser has been touring the country performing at small-time arenas until the fateful night he and his family run afoul of a bloodthirsty gang of Satanic bikers stalking the North Dakota Badlands. Now he's a lone man fighting for the survival of his loved ones in a no-holds-barred standoff against the forces of Hell itself! Co-written by the newly formed CREEP International writing team of modern horror masters Rob Zombie and Steve Niles, The Nail is a relentless, unflinching portrait of the heart of darkness, and what one man will sacrifice to hold it at bay.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Looks old, tired, and busted.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Seriously....who cares?

  • June 24, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST

    I have the perfect remake for Zombie...seriously..

    by Darth Macchio

    And the original IS a 70's film.<p>The Car<p>http://tinyurl.com/6obwf4<p>Seriously, it's a kick ass film but entirely too mild for its subject (rated PG originally I believe). It's pure 70's set in the mid-west so bring on the hillbillies! There's even one real nasty wife-beater white trash old dude who while a asswipe, manages to help out anyway. The movie has a special place in my heart and if Zombie came in and made a pure remake with his sense of style, it could be a perfect match. Granted, he might want to avoid his usuals altho Sid Haig could easily be the white-trash wife-beater guy. And, most importantly, DO NOT CHANGE how "The Car' is portrayed. Don't show us the car being built and then kills one of the assembly line guys (Christine) or how, when the car was little, it ran over squirls and shit. Just a clean remake with updated effects and a proper R rating. It could work. Maybe.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    @ Vern: No, I'd wait a lifetime for a Fahey film

    by Fawst

    After the brilliance of his bad performance in MACHETE, his greatness in (and utter theft of, for uttering the line "That boy's got the Devil in 'im.") Planet Terror, and his wonderful turn in Lost, I am a believer.<br><br>Meanwhile, this poster is pretty good.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Knocked Zombie all you want

    by Series7

    But just imagine the day when Kid Rock starts making movies. I kind of put Early Kid Rock and Zombie in the same genre, white trash rock. At least Zombie knows and understands music and the era he wishes he was old enough to be involved with. Some a-hole like Kid Rock would be dumb enough to re-make Easy Rider, and redo Born To Be Wild for the soundtrack. Which would you rather have?

  • June 24, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Maybe they can make Machete.....

    by Damage_Inc

    and then release it as a double feature with this movie. BTW, it is pretty pathetic that Zombie is going to rip off Motorhead. Did he actually think nobody would notice? http://tinyurl.com/42hnht

  • June 24, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Okay, look, I know lots of people hate Zombie...

    by dr sauch

    But come the fuck on, look at this. "51% Motherfucker, 49% Son of a Bitch"? If that does not make you cackle with glee, then you are really missing the entire point of this site, and you should prob. go straight to the NY Times and check out their movie reviews. Zombie is a demented genius, and you pussies need to stop bashing him. P.S., the Halloween remake was actually pretty great.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Is this like a hick horror version of Jurassic Park?

    by Sithdan

    Jurassic Park meets The Devil's Rejects?

  • June 24, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Salemslut...

    by Sith Witch

    Yes! I liked each one just fine the first time, but on repeated viewings I found I LOVE them more and more.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    This guy is the worst filmmaker of all time!

    by Turd Furgeson

    51% Lousy fucking director 49% Shitty Writer = 100% Bad Movie... How does this hack keep getting money for movies? Are there that many dumb fucking idiots with check books out there? I guess if "The Happening" can get made, anything can. Sad.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    The Halloween remake...

    by Damage_Inc

    was one of the worst horror movies ever made.

  • June 24, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Where is

    by nukethefridge

    Jurassic Park iv????

  • June 24, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Steve Niles

    by Sigmar25

    Zombie should have given him some credit for this since they wrote the Nail together... typical Rob... even stole the subtitle from a Motorhead shirt. Zombies more hack than human.

  • June 24, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Does that poster mean...

    by Damage_Inc

    that Zombie is going to be the star? And what IS the deal with the ground?

  • June 24, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    This isn't about dinosaurs...

    by Mr Willi

    Just to make that clear. Zombie already said so. The name just refers to one of the characters. Hillbillies, but no dinosaurs.

  • June 24, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Could be Danny Trejo?

    by Stuntcock Mike

    If so, RR really nuked the fridge re: Matchete

  • June 24, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Hey turd ferguson

    by emeraldboy

    is the worse filmmaker of all time. Where does that leve dr Boll.

  • June 24, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIE IS WAAAAAY OVERRATED

    by balzacthemonstercat

    He does movies without any substance, just shockers per se. He constructs his films like a butcher, exposing his beloved monsters and outsiders like the heros. but he fails to explain WHY they are so fucking sick. yes, we all like to watch some nonsense violence and gore, but if you just put things toguether just because they are RAD, you end filming shit like the story of a fucking alien dinosaur from a zombie dimension battling a horde of ninja hillbillies (who are also pirates). I know that is pure awesome, but gimme a break. Plus, the poster sucks ass. looks like the cover of a poor paperback novel written by a teenager. grow up, buddy. or at least mature.

  • June 24, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    This is what Zombie should be doing

    by Wandering_Prophet

    Halloween was a mistake, he should have followed up Devil's Rejects with another Grindhouse flick. Thank god he's getting back on track. ANyone know who the painter is, kinda reminds me of Luis Royo

  • June 24, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Yawwwwwnnnnn...

    by Lords_of_Light

    Who cares.

  • June 24, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    You are such a cunt, memories

    by Lost Jarv

    Rejects, although comfortably Zombie's best effort in a less than stellar output is not a classic. <P>And even if you think it is, trying to make out that we are all stupid for not liking it is just complete shit.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    and....

    by Lost Jarv

    I don't understand your reasoning. If it is good that a complete hack like Zombie (for fuck's sake he even stole that tagline) gets more experience then it must follow that it is also good for Bay, Ratner, Anderson, Boll et al to get more experience. <P>Or maybe you're just being a hypocrite cunt. Again.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Finally,

    by Lost Jarv

    It doesn't surprise me one bit that you think Zombie is underrated. His indulgent mock-grindhouse style is just pretentious enough to give you a boner. <P>You fucking pretentious asshole.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    "moldy video stores with stained carpets and obscure B movies...

    by JustinSane

    ...Sounds like heaven. Smelly, stained heaven.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    so this is animated, right?

    by thekylegassproject

    i heard he was doing an animated feature next. anyone know?

  • June 24, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Zombie grew as a director with Halloween?

    by TVguy4566

    I am not the biggest fan of Zombie as a director, but I felt he took a huge step backwards with Halloween. He was so constrained trying to shoehorn his story into the Michael Myers lexicon and the storyline of the original movie that he seemed to handcuffed by the project. Especially in the second half, he really came off a generic z-movie slock director.<br><br> I thought the Devil's Rejects had its moments, but Halloween was by far his worst movie to date. The second half seemed more like he was obligated to actually rehash the original story rather to satisfy the guys who were funding the movie than him directing with any passion whatsoever.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    At least the antagonist in this film

    by bobjustbob

    won't be toxic gas expelled by angry topiary.<p>BTW, I think M Night should cast Williams Shatner as the lead for his autobiographical thriller. Rob Zombie should too.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    And William Shatner

    by bobjustbob

    should cast Michael Bay to play the lead in his autobiographical thriller.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Not Good!

    by Saltoner

    I appreciate the throw back feel of this poster, the Frazetta/Enforcer feel, but whoever the artist is, they're no Frazetta. It's pretty bad.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is wrong with you?

    by Lost Jarv

    Halloween was a property that should not have been attempted and, were they to ignore sensible advice and attempt it then Zombie was not the man to go to. It was all over shit and there is not one redeeming feature. <P>Transformers was confidently directed, but you wouldn't try to pretend that Bay had done something good would you?

  • June 24, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "...as long you are not blinded by blind misguided and foolish hatred for the man for hatred sake."<P>WHOA! Pot calling the kettle black, are we?<P>Zombie's "maturity" as a filmmaker is highly dubious. Especially if he is content to continue rehashing '70s-styled white trash, grindhouse movies.<P>There is a fine line between shock and schlock. And so far, Zombie seems to fall on the side of schlock.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by TVguy4566

    I don't hate the guy. I don't get your and other devoted Zombie follower's loyalty to the guy. I think the guy has some talent, but he needs to do a lot more to hone it before he can be taken seriously. <br><br> I didn't see him as a more confident director in Halloween. If anything, he was less confident in his direction since he seemed to forgo his vision and kowtow to the corporate suits who wanted him to include the plotline of the original movie in the second half of his film. I saw a lot more confidence in his first two films where he didn't give a fuck about appeasing the corporate suits and made the film he wanted to make. Like his first two movies or not, he did make his own vision. It seemed like in his Halloween, he made a lot of compromises.<br><br> I have always said that Zombie's biggest mistake was trying to force his vision of a serial killer into the Halloween mold. He had to make far too many compromises to maintain the original movie's story and characters. I think he would have made a far better movie if he started his own franchise rather than co-oping the Halloween one.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Riddle me this, asshole,

    by Lost Jarv

    Why are you applying different criteria to a director that you like as opposed to one you don't. <P>I'll tell you something for nothing: at the same stage Paul Wank Stain Anderson had a better track record than Zombie (I'd rate Shopping and Event Horizon better than anything Zombie's done and Mortal Kombat as better than Halloween and corpses), but you wouldn't be pontificating about him having grown as a a director having just watched MK.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Actually like Zombie as a director

    by password.swordfish

    I think he does some great things with the camera and uses music in excellent ways. The problem? He can't write. His dialogue is shit and his plots non-existent. His characters are one-dimensional assholes or sluts. I'd like to see him direct someone else's script, cause I think he has the eye for filmmaking.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    "appreciate movies for what they really are"

    by Lost Jarv

    au contraire, dickhead. I appreciate movies for what they are, whereas you appreciate them based on some utterly nebulous concept of value that only you seem to know the rules to. <P>Until you stop being such a cunt, I'll keep pointing it out.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Zombie's remake of HALLOWEEN was...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...laziness personified. It was a piss poor attempt at a cash grab...nothing more. Zombie should have known better considering the reputation of the original.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Ugh.

    by Tony Is A Little Boy

  • June 24, 2008, noon CST

    It was stupid and lazy

    by Lost Jarv

    to be honest, he should not have called it Halloween or featured Myers. <P>If it had been a.n.other serial killer then it would still have been a bad film, but besmirching Halloween is un-fucking-forgivable.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    My main problem with Halloween

    by password.swordfish

    is how the fuck do you give Myers a back story? Wasn't the whole point that there wasn't a reason for him, that you couldn't explain his blood-lust? Wasn't that what made him the boogeyman? I feel like Zombie neutered the character with the explanation of why he became what he did. He's not so scary if he's just another serial killer. By taking away the mythology, the legend of Myers, Zombie did a great disservice to the original. But then I've talked to people who really liked it, so I guess that's just my opinion.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    That's a good fucking way of putting it

    by Lost Jarv

    And it shows what a cunt memories is being. By explaining Myers, Zombie effectively showed that not only did he not understand the magnificent original but also that he held it in contempt. To remake it with the explanation was arrogant, stupid and lazy. <P>Oh yeah, I forgot, Memories thinks he has great love for the genre so I must be wrong.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Bad is bad. bad not good. Zombie not good. Zombie bad.

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    I have spoken to people who like Freddy got fingered - which greatly maligned the great, and truly magnificent name, Fred. They had their brains sucked dry by the brain bug in Starship Troopers.<p> Free Fred's balls!

  • June 24, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    As a director, Rob Zombie...

    by Heckles

    ...is a shitty singer.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I'm just going to rant about something else for

    by Lost Jarv

    a moment. <P>The Fog remake WAS a worse film than Halloween Remake. However, the very fact that Zombie would think his syphilitic vision was right for a genre defining classic is a far bigger crime against cinema. <p>Only some pretentious Portuguese prick with the brains of a concrete donkey and a grossly overinflated opinion of his own intelligence would not be able to see this.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Fred think Lost Jarv need to express true feelings better

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred think Lost Jarv should stop pussy-footing around and say what Lost Jarv really think. Thats what Fred would do! <p> Free Freds balls!

  • June 24, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    bobjustbob think Fred

    by bobjustbob

    wants schnoo schnoo with Lost Jarv.

  • June 24, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Fred not know what schnoo schnoo is

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    But Fred will schnoo a Who if it gets Fred balls out of mason jar<p> Free Fred balls.

  • But it looks like more "Devils Rejects" bullshit!

  • June 24, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    ZOMBIE haiku

    by bobjustbob

    slasher movie plays<p> arrogant fanboy is pleased<p> devil's rejects sucks

  • June 24, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    The Frazetta poster peaple are thinking of..

    by Rameses

    Is the one for Clint Eastwood,s *The Gauntlet* .Clint Eastwood,Sondra Locke and an overturned bus.Looks very close..You can see it at http://www.impawards.com/1977/gauntlet.html

  • June 24, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Jurassic Park IV

    by nukethefridge

    Fashion show,Fashion Show, Fashion show at lunch

  • June 24, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Free Freds balls!

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Free them!

  • June 24, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    More Hysterical Screaming White Trash Cretins!

    by LaserPants

    Yawn.

  • June 24, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Fred Haiku

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    M-O-M defends bad movies<p> BOB offends M-O-M<p>The Devil Rejects Halloween<p> <p> Free Freds balls

  • June 24, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I've never seen Devil's Rjects actually

    by bobjustbob

    I'm just performing an anocutaneous reflex test. So far the results are as predicted. And that is simply entertaining.

  • June 24, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Another haiku

    by bobjustbob

    crazy fanboy rant<p> rationalizes his lust<p> shyamalan is pleased

  • June 24, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Fred Haiku 2

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fanboy whacking off<p>Keyboard hit<p> Shyamalan has idea<p> <p> Free Freds balls

  • June 24, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Fred Haiku 3

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Haiku have three lines<p> Something cut<p>Free Freds balls

  • June 24, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Once more time (anocutaneous reflex test)

    by bobjustbob

    You silly rabbit<p> I seek not skills in haiku<p> I make you reply

  • June 24, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by password.swordfish

    I don't really get your point, but I'm curious as to what you mean. This is not meant as a slam, but could you explain how Halloween "kiddiefied" the horror genre? Also, to which movies are you referring when you say horror is finally getting back to form? I'd say horror has been in a pretty sad state for a while now, with most modern "horror" films believing that gore = scary. I love me some gore (actually excessive gore), but there's nothing inherently scary about it.

  • June 24, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Fred Haiku 4

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Time has passed<p> Clock knows truth<p>Free Freds balls

  • June 24, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    drew struzan meets frank frazetta

    by werewolfbynight

    that is one of the coolest movie posters i have ever seen. if the film follows the premise of that poster, it looks like we might be in for quite a ride. and i am not a fan of rob zombies films. i did , however enjoy the devil's rejects on a visceral level.

  • June 24, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Ok...

    by password.swordfish

    I just read your above post, and it's an interesting theory. I don't really agree with you, especially on Zombie's Halloween. I think we viewed the original in very different ways. I always thought the true horror came from the idea of Myers as the boogeyman, that he couldn't be killed, that he would never stop killing, and that there was absolutely no reason for it in the first place. Zombie took all that away and made Myers generic serial killer #57. Yawn. The cliched back-story, the appalling characters, none of whom you wanted to survive in the first place. I've said it before, Zombie neutered Myers with that movie. I didn't find it remotely scary. And isn't scary supposed to be the essence of horror? I get what you're saying about violence (and especially like how you tied it to the social climate of the times), but to me violence is not necessarily horrifying - disturbing when done right, but not scary.

  • June 24, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Nightmare on Elm street - Original

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    Fred says that was true Horror/thriller flick. Horror was monsters, like Mummy, Wolfman, Frankenstein, Dracula. Freddy!!!!!!! <p> Fred likes anyone named Freddy! <p> Free Freds Balls

  • June 24, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by skimn

    I think your accusation that slasher=fun violence should be laid at the feet of Friday The 13th and all the following "holiday" themed horror films. Laurie's friends in Halloween were all consumed with sex and partying, which made them blissfully unaware of the horror that stalked them. Laurie was the responsible (she was doing her job babysitting) virgin, who kept her wits and focus about her. We weren't meant to find her friends murders titilating or exciting, the plot was narrowing down the contacts that Laurie could reach till she was on her own to battle "the Shape".<p>As mentioned earlier, the much gorier and explicit Friday The 13th and clones, set up the characters as pins to be knocked over in more gory and outragious ways. The "kills" became the thrill of those films, not suspense or plotting.

  • June 24, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Gore is not Horror

    by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar

    It is simply gooey.<p> Free Freds balls

  • June 24, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Different experiences...

    by password.swordfish

    I guess because I've worked with violent offenders, they become much less mythic and scary, and much more human. Also, I can recognize the "pop" psychology going on in the remake, and it's really obvious stuff. I've sat with the boy who's too far gone to help, and he just isn't like that. The more supernatural, the scarier to me (I know that's just me, but I think horror is subjective in the same way comedy is. What gets some will come off as lame to others. And vice versa).

  • June 24, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Im pretty sure I drew this poster

    by ArcadianDS

    when I was in 9th grade.

  • June 24, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder

    by password.swordfish

    I take your point, but the problem is that I don't think it was meant to be "this is one bad day." I think it was "this is his life that he lives everyday, and that's why he becomes what he does." It wasn't as though those moments made him kill on their own, but the accumulated years (we assume) of abuse and bullying that turns him evil. The animals were indications that for the past while, Myers had already begun to take his violent impulses out on easy targets, which will often lead to a need for an increased thrill - a more difficult victim, usually closer to the fantasy brewing in his mind. Of course, there are also inborn traits bringing this behaviour out, but that too is common among serial killers. Zombie made Myers into just another serial killer, and I won't forgive that. It takes away Myers power; the gravitas of the mere idea of him. I never thought we were supposed to sympathize with him, I just have a problem with the need to give him a reason (Hannibal Rising - a much worse movie, of course - suffered the same problem. Although the explanation was ridiculous and showed that Harris has zero understanding of psychopathy or even human psychology). For me, if I can understand it, it's much less chilling. The problem with Zombie's remake is that I understand how it happened, ergo no chills. Also, despite what Zombie wants us to believe, Myers is in no way a psychopath. He only meets two or three of the twenty-something criteria.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    It's not the haiku. but I'm not surprised you miss the real con

    by bobjustbob

    you silly rabbit<p> forest is more than just the trees<p> you must not resist

  • June 24, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    real content - not real con

    by bobjustbob

    Text got chopped off. The point is some people are easily misdirected. The bigger the head, the harder they hear.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    swordfish, you're facing an uphill battle, buddy

    by necgray

    Memories-of-Murder was a frothing frigging maniac when Halloween came out. I argued basically the same point, that Myers was so great because he was shrouded in mystery. And the way Carpenter filmed it made him seem like what the kids called him: the boogeyman. Or what the film called him in the credits: The Shape. Myers is a dark force, not a real human being. But then MOM just told me in broken English that I was stupid. Or something similar.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    5% on period

    by g-ride9000

  • June 24, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the head's up, necgray

    by password.swordfish

    You and I are on the exact same page. If Myers isn't the boogeyman, then it's not Halloween (and what's so scary if he's just another guy?). I like how you put it - a dark force, not a human being. I've made my point; it's good to know that I should drop it now.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by TVguy4566

    Since I am no horror geek, I guess I don't share the same passions as Zombie. It is obvious though that Zombie's passions and John Carpenter's aren't the same. Carpenter tried to make a Hitchockian thriller with Halloween (which I think he did a very good job) and Zombie didn't seem to understand himself what Carpenter was trying to achieve since he loved Michael Meyers but decided to create a movie that was the antithesis of what Carpenter was trying to achieve. But that is neither here nor there. <br><br> I don't know if I am the best one to speak for horror geeks, but I have gone over my criticism of Zombie's work over and over again. I think he has talent, but I don't think his movies are focused and he overrelies on living in a 70s style white trash universe in all of his films. I can see horror geeks having similar criticisms. I know most of the classic horror movies out there have solid plots and actual thrills, not just a lot of gore, violence, and interesting scenes and characters. I think Zombie delivers more of the later than the former.<br><br> I wouldn't call Zombie's films torture porn, but he goes more for violence and blood and guts than any actual thrills. You aren't afraid of the evil lurking in the dark about to pounce on you like many horror geeks look for in classic films like the original Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, or even the original Friday the 13th (a series of movies that increasingly relied on elaborate deaths as the series went on rather than actual thrills). I think this is a criticism of most horror film directors these days. I think they all feel everyone has "been there, done that" and don't even try to scare anyone anymore and just ups the violence for shock rather than thrills. <br><br> As for Halloween the movie, I judged it on it's own merits and it sucked. I have said before that Zombie's biggest problem was that he was trying to do his own story but was hamstrung by the source material and would have done a much better movie if it had nothing to do with Halloween or Michael Myers. And I don't mean by the fact that everyone compared it to the original. <br><br> I don't compare it to Ang Lee's Hulk though. Lee made his movie and didn't really care about the original source material. He didn't try to stiffle his vision to make sure he fit in certain aspects of the comic book or television show. That is why many comic book geeks hated it. Lee made a big budget action indie film. Zombie did the opposite. <br><br> Zombie may be a great filmmaker some day, but he needs to make more focused movies and show that he can make a movie outside the universe he has created and never strays away from. Even a guy like Tarrinto who has movies that go all over the place tend to have structure and is organized chaos. Zombie's films just seem like several movies edited together with the same characters. No great filmmaker I can think of has done all his/her movies in the same universe of characters and tend to branch out and do different type of movies.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    M-O-M your concepts are soooo booooring

    by g-ride9000

    you're like grandpa simspon in written form.

  • June 24, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    that's grandpa simpson

    by g-ride9000

  • June 24, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I <3 Zombie

    by Shoun

    Rob Zombie reminds me a lot of Michel Gondry. Granted he's not nearly as talented, but when you watch his films you can tell he puts 100% of himself into the work. Halloween was a bad idea, fans have something solid to compare the film against. The only films you can compare House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects to are similar B horror films, and in that light they shine.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Comparing Zombie to Scorsese? Really?!?

    by TVguy4566

    Scorsese is an example of a director who has shown he can break out of his universe. One of his earliest films was Boxcar Bertha which was a Depression era period piece about the railroad industry. One of his earlier masterpieces was "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore" which besides being the inspiration for the TV show Alice was about a down on woman on the road on with her son trying to become a singer. New York, New York was a romance about a jazz musician and and woman at the end of WWII. The Last Waltz was a documentary on the The Bands' last concert. Taxi Driver was about a disturned vietnam vet taxi driver in the under belly of New York. The King of Comedy was about a disturbed struggling comedian who kidnaps a talk show host to get a guest spot. After Hours was a surreal story about an average guy getting caught up in a bizzare series of events. Don't forget the Last Temptation of Christ, The Aviator (Howard Hughes bio pic), Shine a Light (Rolling Stones documentary), Cape Fear (thriller and a text book example of how to do a remake), The Age of Romance (a 19th century period piece romance), Raging Bull (a biopic about boxer Jack Lamatta), etc.<br><br> If you think Scorsese's body of work only consists of Italian Mobsters, you really don't have a clue. Most of Scorsese's movies have different tones, universe, and styles. He has done documentaries, drama, thrillers, remakes, romances, and even comedies. There are few directors with the range of Scorsese.

  • June 24, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Damn You MCMLXXVI

    by TheyCallMeMisterBay

    Damn You MCMLXXVI

  • June 24, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    TVguy4566 re: Scorsese

    by necgray

    And a short horror film when he was a student. I forget what it's called, I think it's "The Shave", but it's freaky and funny in a "wow, this is freaky" kind of way. Really well done b&w horror short about a guy who's afraid to shave because he keeps imagining himself slashing his throat up.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    looks fucking retarded - more sadistic redneck glorification

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    its nice to see mister zombie stretching - didnt he cover this territory already - "rednecks get angry then wreak havoc on the world that doesnt understand their redneck angst and disenfranchisement in society" - every rob zombie movie - i guess his wifes in it - the only thing worse than his movies is his music - this stuff isnt even trying to be ironic - he is serious - like letting an angry 15 year old boy make movies with real actors and huge budgets - shit like this is only cool when handled with a sense of irony and self reflection (see tarrantino movies for examples rob) - at least sid haig is still working

  • June 24, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I Drop the Ultimate Science About Rob Zombie

    by Slaphappy Slim

    Yes, the poster is great. And yes, it also looks like the cover to an old Sega game (somewhat). Rob Zombie is not an awful filmmaker. He's not a terrific one either. Too much passionate opinion for such a minor topic. Drink some beer and listen to AC/DC, or don't.

  • June 24, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    by Slaphappy Slim

  • June 24, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    i like beer and AC/DC

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    i hate rob zombie

  • June 24, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Precisely!

    by Slaphappy Slim

  • June 24, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    And, man

    by Slaphappy Slim

    There's nothing wrong with a little Zima and Morbid Angel. We've all been there...........

  • June 24, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Mamories of Rob Zombie

    by quantize

    tap tap away, the more you yabber the fuckin sillier you sound. Any horror fan with a sliver of intelligence at their disposal knows this overhpyed tosser cannot scrape together the tiniest bit of suspense, let along shock..student films are infinitely better executed than everything he has done to date. Take off your tragic rock-goth wannabe blinkers, he's shit..let's see something one tiniest weeniest fuckin bit as effective as The Descent or The Ruins and he'd have my attention. Otherwise he's a hack with an 'image'. He should stick to the faux angry industrial rock and leave film making to people who actually have some visual and narrative sense past cheap retarded gimmicks.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    You're right, Quint...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    This looks COMPLETELY straight-to-video. Not straight to DVD — it doesn't even look THAT good — but straight to VHS videotape.

  • June 24, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Required Viewing :

    by PTSDPete

  • June 25, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    What. A. Cunt

    by Lost Jarv

    You fail on every level, Memories. <P>You are just completely full of shit. To defend Halloween remake is to completely and utterly fail to understand what made the original great. <P>Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. How can you let glaring flaws slide from Zombie's films (and I am a horror geek so don't even start with me) that you would castigate other "lesser" directors for (The Anderson example I used is relevant here)? <P>Grow up, learn to argue without being condescending, learn to read and understand points others make (Necgray, quantize and swordfish have all made excellent points about the massive failure of Halloween), and learn to express yourself without sounding like a complete fucking twat and maybe you'll be more effective in putting your points across. <P>You're not always full of shit. I happen to agree with you about Bad Boys 2- but I apply the same standards to Bay as I do to Zombie. At the moment Rob Zombie is worse than Roth and I fucking hate Hostel and Hostel 2.

  • June 25, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    The reason M-O-M...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...has a hard-on for Zombie's psychological take on Myers is that he is simply incapable of enjoying a film on any level approaching the visceral. M-O-M does nothing BUT "psychologize" films, filmmakers, "geekoids" and his own taste in films. The guy is so tightly wound that he can't enjoy anything unless it corresponds to his criteria for what is politically, socially, culturally and psychologically acceptable. <p> His main problem is that he's inconsistent. He cuts bad filmmakers like Zombie loads of slack, but shows absolutely no mercy whatsoever towards filmmakers like PWSA, Michael Bay and others. Ironically, M-O-M is in essence incapable of discerning "good" from "bad" in film making. Zombie, like Shyamalan and Tarantino, fall within M-O-M's zone of "talent" and therefore no matter how shitty a film they make, he will bend over backwards defending it to the very end against everyone else's ignorance. He's a prisoner of his own so-called tastes and his pre-conceived notions of who is a good or bad filmmaker. <p> It's at its most hilarious when he's slumming it with the "geekoids" and pretends to like certain bad movies. He'll trot out examples of them, but it's obvious by his descriptions that he only "likes" them because he thinks he's supposed to, or because they've been deemed safe by the current hipster canon. <p> In short, M-O-M is a smug, arrogant, uptight, hypocritical, condescending asshole.

  • June 25, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Remember when the prick tried to

    by Lost Jarv

    class Slither with other Bad movies, completely missing the point of what makes the likes of Leprechaun great? <P>And the original Halloween WAS great- jesus, it's fucking old and still effective. How many other horror films from the same time can you say the same about? <P>The other M-O-M blunder was when he recently tried to pretend that friends made him go to AvPLR. He was completely busted lying for 2 reasons: <P>1)Obviously he hasn't got any friends <P>2)We all remembered his hard on for "Mr Alien, Mr Predator and lots and lots of Mr and Mrs Dead People". Completely missing the point about the AvP atrocities. Again.

  • June 25, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Neil Marshall is my great hope for Horror

    by Lost Jarv

    so don't you be badmouthing him. <P>Dog Soldiers & The Descent are massively better than anything Roth and Zombie could ever produce and even Doomsday (although not a patch on The Descent), is fucking great fun. <P>Although Rhona Mitra still can't act. Just as well she's nice to look at really.

  • June 25, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    WhinyDumbShit

    by quantize

    Oh fuck off...ANY movie that was 'good for its time' or whatever IS good. You seem to have blanked out the gzillion movies that used it as a template. HELLO, it invented a whole form and style of horror. In my books that makes it good, downplaying only makes you sound pithy (probably a compliment in your ass-about books)

  • June 25, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    WNB

    by Lost Jarv

    Where are you from- because this is extremely relevant for Dog Soldiers and The Descent? <P>Memories on AvP:R- the fucker (despite knowing all details of story/ script & despite predalien) absolutely creamed his (black lacy- his mother told me) panties over the trailer. That quote I put up is pretty much word for word what he said. <P>I disagree completely about the impact of Halloween v Friday 13th. I honestly think that Halloween reinvigorated the slasher movie, whether or not it is part of it, whereas Friday took it down a safer "blockbuster" route.

  • June 25, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    that is fucking priceless

    by Lost Jarv

    You massive cock. <P>How you can criticise someone else's self-awareness is laughable. <P>To recap the point that you are incapable of answering: <P>You do not hold certain favourites of yours to the same standards that you do to those you term "hacks". Your criteria is spurious, nebulous, utterly arbitrary and blindingly stupid. As you cannot apply a universal, objective standard you should refrain from criticisms based on intelligence. A remake of Halloween is a crime against cinema. Not only is it a bad film in its own right- for amongst others the eloquent reasons put up above, but it's also the horror equivalent of remaking Citizen Kane. <p>The original Halloween and Marshall discussion was with WNB not you. You are still a cunt.

  • June 25, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by Lost Jarv

    So, basically, you're another tiresome torture porn junkie who doesn't give a fuck about things like tension provided that there's plenty of claret?

  • June 25, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    The approach argument you are using is bullshit

    by Lost Jarv

    I don't give a fuck that it's a "new" take on it. It's a deeply unoriginal (and unsurprising- "let's explain myers, that's a good idea" assraping of one of the defining genre movies. <P>If it wasn't Halloween it would still be a bad movie, it just wouldn't be offensively awful. Why can you not understand that I'm judging it on both it's own merits and then (because it's a remake) on it's place in the genre? is this that hard to understand?

  • June 25, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    WHY is Zombie still making movies??????

    by m_prevette

    Doesn't he realize by now, that he has no fucking talent for making movies? I mean...he really sucks. It's too bad 'cause he seems to have genuine love for the horror genre and I don't doubt his intent...but...he just has no talent as a screenwriter or director. Sorry. The proof is onscreen. He needs to stop.

  • June 25, 2008, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Here's your homework, M-O-M:

    by DocPazuzu

    Go through this or any other talkback and find a post of mine where I claimed you said the remake is better than the original. <p> Furthermore, Lost Jarv is on the money when it comes to you. You lack, in the most fundamental way, a universal set of criteria for judging films. You're as disingenuous as you are hypocritical. <p> This is the third time I've asked you: Has it ever crossed your mind, even in the slightest, that there may be something about the way you argue your points which offends people? Or do you simply dismiss all your detractors as slobs who can't appreciate your genius and superhuman taste in cinema?

  • June 25, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    There is no such thing as "The Directors cut"

    by Lost Jarv

    of the descent. What there is is the original cut (that we all saw 1 year before the states) and then the strangely edited for America cut.(I don't understand why they did that). I presume you mean the Original version. <P>Dog Soldiers is not sloppy. British people do like it more, fair enough, simply because it is peppered full of jokes and dialogue that are distinctly British. It has an absolutely sparkling script, and although the werewolves look like crap there is enough humour, great performances and action to surpass anything Zombie has done. <P>Doomsday is an outrageous mess, and I'd maintain hopelessly miscast, but is still great, albeit derivative fun. Is it as good as either The Descent or Dog Soldiers? No.

  • June 25, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Why Halloween

    by Series7

    Sucked was because Wolfgang could not pull of a straight Halloween movie. I enjoyed the first half of the movie with the kid beating the shit out of the bully in the woods. And the scenes in the insane asylum. But once he got out, man it was just BORING. I don't even remember most of it. That and some cunt dad brought his 2 under 10 year olds kids to see it. Thats fine and all if your kids aren't brats and your not a one weekend a month dad and your kids are crying because they didn't like the movie. <P> Also Jarv, Devils Rejects is better then Dog Soilders. But if we are playing the order of filmed game I'd put 1,000 over Dog and Descent over Rejects and Doomsday over Halloween. But I think the best way to compare is 1,000 to dog, Descent to Halloween and Rejects to Doomsday. I'd say Zombie's got Neil beat except for Descent, but I am big fan of Zombies. Plus Rob's characters in 1,000 and Rejects are much more memorable then whoever was in Dog Soliders and most of Doomsday. See what kills it for me is in Doomsday Bob Hoskins and Malcolm McDowell were the least memorable parts. Granted Malcolm McDowell will do anything these days, but at least Rob gets good performences out of his old school actors.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I HATED 100 Corpses

    by Lost Jarv

    God, it was awful. <p>I remember all the characters from Dog Soldiers really clearly, because they were characters whereas I remember the charicatures in Corpses for being paper thin excuses for gore. <P>Hated it. <P>Obviously, this is subjective, but I'd argue that ZOmbie is yet to turn out anything half as well writted as Dog Soldiers, let alone The Descent. Although I do appreciate that Dog's is more niche British- football references/ jokes do not translate.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    I haven't seen the Director's cut

    by Lost Jarv

    so I'm reserving judgement on what you said about it. Maybe it is vastly improved, but the Theatrical cut sucked so heavily (and I was against a remake to begin with) that I can't see myself going out of my way to watch it.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Doomsday

    by Lost Jarv

    One piece of advice: <P>Watch with Beer.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    A homage to Frazetta's Gauntlet poster...

    by KillaKane

    Not painted quite as masterly, but a cool reference to FZ's work, wonder if Zombie had a go at painting that?

  • June 25, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Ginger Snaps is fantastic

    by Lost Jarv

    and I thought Dog Soldiers was hysterical- The hooligan chant by Spoon to attract the werewolves for example. <P>It isn't really fair to compare GS to DS- GS is not intended to be funny and obviously has a bit of a budget. DS- they clearly knew they had no cash, but had a blast instead. <P>Having said that, you can never argue on 2 things- what gives someone a hard-on and what makes them laugh.<P>Have you seen GS2 and GS3? Complete pish. The pair of them, although 3 is slightly better.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Wouldn't call Zodiac a horror movie- loved it though

    by Lost Jarv

    Hated both Death Proof and Hostel 2- we've discussed Halloween, didn't see Behind the Mask, Will wait for Resident Evil (when it's on telly), loved Planet Terror, despised 28 weeks Later (not fit to lick the boots of the original, but props for an excellent opening), loved Sunshine (questionable as to whether that is horror), hated 30 days of night. <P>2007 was not vintage for horror, and I've probably missed a few.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Was Nightwatch 2007?

    by Lost Jarv

    I fluctuate between loving that and hating it. <P>Hated AvP:R- and I want to hurt everyone involved in it. Hated Captivity. Erm. Still thinking.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Severance

    by Lost Jarv

    I half love it, but it just falls apart too early. It is far better than the average tripe banged out. <P>Ginger Snaps is "quirky" and fucking intelligent, absolutely no question of it being a far better film. You know the guy that plays the drug dealer/ boyfriend- he went on to My Little Eye witch was also excellent.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to him?

    by Lost Jarv

    Now I think about it. Dude needs more work. <P>I'd hire him. If anyone would let me make a film.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I disagree totally

    by Lost Jarv

    Death Proof suffers for one reason: Tarantino can't write dialogue for women. It was boring, stilted, dismal and frankly embarrasing. The big car chase didn't do it for me, and watching Kurt (our Kurt- Jack Burton, Macready, Snake Plissken)cry like a bitch was massively anticlimactic. It took me 2 weeks to get the wife to forgive me for that one.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I only saw it last year-

    by Lost Jarv

    might be why I thought it was 2007/ late 2006.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Lost Jarv

    Zodiac is tensest movie of year. I genuinly thought Gyllenhall was going to get killed/ discover something nasty when the old guy took him down the cellar. <P>Last year had a whole glut of unspeakable platinum goons remakes, didn't it?

  • June 25, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    sooo...someone help me out.

    by thekylegassproject

    is this the new title of what IMDB lists as zombie's latest project, "the haunted world of el superbeasto?"<p> does anyone know? IS THIS AN ANIMATED FILM DAMN YOU ALL????

  • June 25, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Sorry, guys, but why is Zombie's Halloween even being debated?

    by Knuckleduster

    I can see people arguing over the Hostel films or Doomsday or 1000 Corpses, but Zombie's Halloween is beyond debate. It's like arguing over Battlefield Earth or AvP movies. There's no escaping the plain simple fact that it is pure, concentrated SHIT. Even if you happen to like an idea or two here or there in that film, no one can deny that it should never have been made (or at the very least, it should never have been called Halloween). Giving Michael Myers a weepy, cry-me-a-river psycho-analysis backstory goes against everything that he represents. You're trying to find reason where there is none. Even worse is the fact that Zombie decided to turn him into a redneck wrestler. It's a cinematic sin if ever there was one.<p> M-o-M, talking a lot doesn't make you smart.<p> P.S. I actually quite liked Ginger Snaps 2. Thought it was a smart DTV follow-up to the first.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Ginger Snaps 2

    by Lost Jarv

    had moments of goodness (The end), but was just an unfocused mess. The characters were badly drawn, and it just meandered all over the place. I liked the little loony girl though. She was good.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    IS THIS A MOTHERFUCKING ANIMATED FILM??

    by thekylegassproject

    not one of you can answer the goddam question can you?

  • June 25, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Don't know. Doubt it.

    by Lost Jarv

    sorry about that.

  • June 25, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    thank you...

    by thekylegassproject

    been asking about this on the TB like ten times...had to call you guys motherfuckers to get you attention.<p> and you're not motherfuckers. i was just angry.<p> let's hug...

  • June 25, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    so why is there nothing about this...

    by thekylegassproject

    on IMDB?

  • June 25, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Inside

    by Series7

    Was the best Horror movie of 07. Go rent it now if you haven't. Lost Jarv I think 07 was a pretty damn good year for horror. People are finally over that whole CGI thing (except for American movie companies profiting off of dumb teenagers with there J-Horror remake crap). But stuff like Wrong Turn 2, Hatchet, Hills Have Eyes 2, Inside all using prostetics and makeup. But seriously if you have not seen Inside its fucking brutal. Also Hostel 2 sucked donkey balls, a little less then Hostel 1, just because the hype wasn't so big. Another good horror movie was The Signal, it was the movie the Happening trailer was actually talking about. And Behind the Mask was an excellent comedy/horror movie I really enjoyed it. <P> WhinyNegativeBitch thank you as well, I asked that question post ago as well.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Series7

    Jarv I lived in England as well for a while and got the jokes in Dog Soliders. Maybe its because you haven't lived in the states that you didn't get some of the humor and reality of 1,000. You kind of need to have a hate for rednecks and understanding of them to love Zombies take on them. Its cool to be a redneck here in America, not realizing that real rednecks are grimy, uneducated, trashy morons. The best way to understand what a redneck is, is to think of a Scotish Ted. They are kind of similar. I think Nil by Mouth is the best british redneck movie I've seen.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Wrong Turn 2, Hills Have Eyes 2

    by Lost Jarv

    were both shit. BUt thank fuck CGI is lessening. <P>Didn't see hatchet. <P>I just think it was a fucking dreadful year for horror. It just lacked a good stand out effort

  • June 25, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Dude

    by Series7

    Inside, check it out. Like always the French kick ass.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Series-

    by Lost Jarv

    Ted= 50's greaser biker type. You mean ned. <P>Trust me on this. <P>My missus is American and I've spent plenty of time there. I just didn't think it was funny. But as I said above, you can never argue about what makes one man laugh. <P>Nil by mouth is just fucking brilliant. No arguments there.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Hellraiser remake makes me very, very sad

    by Lost Jarv

    Fucking why? WANKERS. <P>The original is damned near perfect. <P>Funny story- the guy that plays pinhead was actually offered "mover number 2" first and took pinhead because Pinhead had more dialogue. He wasn't chuffed with the makeup/ costume <P>A wise decision.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    European Horror

    by Lost Jarv

    seems to be so far ahead of American Horror at the moment. I blame your wanky censorship thing where an NC17 is something to fear rather than a good thing that stops children from ruining proper movies.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Calvaire

    by Series7

    Is coming up on my netflicks, is it pretty good? Also wasn't [REC] last year and The Poughkeepsie Tapes? Didn't see either of them, but you can watch [REC] for free on Google video right now, sub titles and all. <P> Wrong Turn/Hatchet/HillEyes2 I felt were all good cheesy driect to video fare (though Hills made a run in theaters) while most DTV is crap on a stick those were good fun movies. And yeah I agree Inside does exist to mainly show us extreme gore, and I think it does a damn good job. Also yeah there is much more admiration for The Signals production then the overall movie, but the first part was really good. Also has anyone else seen a movie called Murder Party? It was another indie horror movie and it was really funny and had a pretty good last freak out scene.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Donkey Punch

    by Lost Jarv

    What a fucking terrible idea- it looks like they raped the best ideas from Dross like Very Bad Things and then blended it together into a steaming poo sandwich. Having said that- I'll still give it a go. <P>The fact that she never made it out of the cave is why The Descent is fabulous- it's a layer of ambiguity. Have we been watching one woman's grief hallucination while she slaughtered all her mates in a cave? I like to think so. <P>I quite enjoyed Black Sheep. But wouldn't say it was brilliant, and I also quite enjoyed The ZOmbie Diaries but that's from a few years ago.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by DocPazuzu

    I'm with you on all the movies you mentioned there except for 28 Weeks Later. As sequels go, I thought it was way above most of the dross currently choking the genre.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    Yeah I couldn't believe the mom in Nil By Mouth was fucking Perry! I has fergotten that Perry was a girl. Yeah your right its Neds. A Ted is a Typical Enlisted Dude. <P> You know what makes 07 look like such a shit year for Horror movies... 1408, god that movie was terrible. Worst movie since Da Vinci Code.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    re Dog Soldiers & Zombie.

    by DocPazuzu

    I don't think it's a national or cultural thing. I'm an American and I fucking loathe Zombie's movies. I also love both Dog Soldiers and The Descent.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    re Eli Roth

    by DocPazuzu

    I think talkbacker Childe Roland summed him up the best when he called him an "utter ass tulip".

  • June 25, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hellraiser 2

    by Lost Jarv

    I still maintain is enjoyable but not a patch on the original. The rest of the sequels are unmitigated garbage. 1408 was a ghost film without ghosts, frights or anything, <P>It isn't impossible to do good, original horror, but no bugger outside of Marshall seems to want to- Zombie does redneck horror, but the remake marked his card.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by Lost Jarv

    sure you can put it like that. But the film doesn't play out that way, and it doesn't actually tell you. I like ambiguity.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Fair Enough Doc

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm basing that opinion on the wife's loathsome American friends that just didn't "get" dog soldiers. In fact, she was at british university with them in Britain, so they're just cretins and it isn't cultural.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    hahaha

    by Lost Jarv

    British university in britain. As opposed to portugal. <P>I'm devolving into memories.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    re Death Proof

    by DocPazuzu

    Horrible, horrible movie. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Tarantino can only write characters that are stand-ins for Tarantino. Nowhere is this more obvious than in Death Proof. Virtually every character sounds exactly the same -- like Quentin Tarantino. They pass around an invisible Official Quentin Tarantino Channeling Baton and start spouting his usual drivel. Not for one instant does anything anyone says sound believable. <p> Terrible movie.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    When it comes to DEATH PROOF, I'm in 100% agreement. However, the scene where Kurt is crying like a baby, guzzling liquor, and looks up in his rear-view mirror only to get rear ended is HILARIOUS!<P>For the record, I watched both GRINDHOUSE films by streaming them on my Netflix for free. I believe it was the right decision. Especially the FREE part.

  • June 25, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    All The Boys Love Mandy Lane

    by Series7

    Yeah I really want to see that as well. Did anyone see the Jack Ketchum movies? The Lost and The Girl Next Door? Also another good movie if you can find it, is the other Inside. Harry mentioned it on his DVD thing a couple months back, and it was directed by a fomer AICN Tb'er, so I had to check it out. It was interesting, no shocks or gore. Also another movie like that is a movie Joshua, which was dismissed as just another Omen. But directed by the guys who made the great documentary Hell House, its a very haunting movie. That final scene was amazing. Again no spooks or gore, more Hitcock type of horror and suspense.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Originality

    by Lost Jarv

    Hmm, I obviously used the wrong word. I meant that each film is stylistically and thematically totally different to the previous one. <P>I know that Doomsday is highly derivative, but would argue that The Descent is an original. Dog Soldiers obviously= Aiens with werewolves. <P>What I'm trying to say is that Marshall hasn't done either a remake or a sequel to one of his own films yet. <P>Best 2007 film full fucking stop= This is England.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Grindhouse

    by Lost Jarv

    For the Record, when it was announced that it was getting split in the UK, I went and found our local chinese pirate and bought it off him. It was a good copy- in one piece. <p>I don't regret it for a second. But I do wonder if Tarantino knows what Grindhouse actually is.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    MNG

    by DocPazuzu

    Oh, I agree. I thought the ending of Death Proof was hilarious, but it wasn't nearly enough to compensate for the wet shitstorm which preceeded it for over an hour.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Rose McGowan

    by jackofhearts29

    I've fucked the Eiffel Tower and climbed a model but I'd trade it all for just one hour with sweet sweet Rose McGowan, with or without both legs

  • June 25, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by DocPazuzu

    Did you believe, for one instant, that those women actually had seen and liked the movies they were tarantinoing about?

  • June 25, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    another plus for Death Proof...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...is the vehicular homicide scene. Shocking and stunningly shot. <p> But the film is still shit.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Series7

    That first car crash was an amazing shot. That was worth the build up. The final scene not so much, plus by that point QT gave up on trying to make his movie seem like some old print of a movie.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Yes, completely true

    by Lost Jarv

    Car crash one is great. The problem is the reset button and then watching an even more unlikable group of women spout Tarantino-esque rubbish for what seemed like eternity. <P>Nope. Me no likey.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Salemslut

    by Lost Jarv

    I'll give you the second group may well have seen the likes of Vanishing point but I defy you to find one woman on the planet that would describe herself as "a petrolhead", let alone 2. That's not how women talk- and is utterly indicative of tarantino's inability to write female dialogue. He just can't do it.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    thought there'd be some love for This is England

    by Lost Jarv

    even though I was completely off topic. Meadows new film has been reviewed glowingly here. Can't wait to see it.<P>Never mind, I'm off to the pub.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    series7

    by DocPazuzu

    Every scrap of dialogue uttered by those women was purely Tarantino. The only thing missing was "allright? okay? allright? okay? allright? okay?" between each sentence. <p> I challenge anyone to read those lines in the script without the characters' names listed and be able to tell them apart.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    sorry, I meant Salemslut...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...not series 7.

  • June 25, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    did he jack Rodriguez's Machete?

    by palewook

    not sure whats going on with this project, but looks at the least, influenced by Machete

  • June 25, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    WHo Keeps giving Zombie money?!

    by conspiracy

    Really..who green lights his shit? Has anything he made since La Sexorcisto been worth a shit? Has any of it made a dime back? His movies suck..it is that simple. The man has no eye, and his movies make the exploitation material from the late 60's early 70's, the fun/horrible crap we all used to watch on betamax, look fucking Oscar worthy by comparison. Seriously...Zombies shit makes Movies like " I SPit on you Grave" seem like art...if nothing else those horrid old films were fun, where as Zombie actually takes this shit seriously. Go away Rob...take you nasty dreads, your desperate for stardom wife, and your obviously ripped off from Big Daddy Roth artistic sense and go away.

  • June 25, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    WhinyNegativeBitch

    by TVguy4566

    Scorsese is a brilliant director. He has made some clunkers, but who hasn't. His best films tend to have a New York focus, not mobsters (Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Goodfellas, King of Comedy, After Hours, etc.), but the universe in the New York setting is different and the tone is different.<br><br> As for Zombie, he won't be taken seriously as a director until he shows he isn't a one trick pony. Both Tarintino and Robert Rodriguez live to slum in the same universe as Zombie, but they have also been able to successful create different types of movie that are outside those world. A truly great director can direct different films with different styles.<br><br> As for Spielberg, he did direct horror movies. Jaws was technically a horror movie. Duel was basically a horror movie. Rumors have it he directed Poltergeist because he hated what Hooper was doing with the movie. Some will argue that 1941 was a horror movie because it was scarily bad. Besides, you don't have to direct a horror movie to be great, but just show versatility. Speilberg has definitely shown that since he is the same guy who directed ET and Schindler's List. Can you think of two directly opposite movies directed by the same director?<br><br> As for the original Halloween, it is one of the best horror movies ever. Just because it has been copied a zillion times and the scares aren't as scary and people incorrectly compare it to slasher movies, doesn't mean it wasn't great.

  • I guess not

  • June 25, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    As for the best Horror movie of 2007

    by TVguy4566

    I am not a huge horror movie fan anymore, but but I have seen a few from last year. I would vote Teeth as the best horror movie of 2007. Zodiac would be on my top 10 movies of 2006, but I really don't think it is a horror movie. I did see Behind the Mask, thought it was overrated but decent. Even Mary Elizabeth Whithead in a cheerleader outfit couldn't save Death Proof from being a snooze fest. Planet Terror was good, but I was a little disapointed. Hatchet was good. 28 Weeks Later was so-so. Sunshine was good, but was a sci-fi movie not a horror movie.

  • June 25, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder

    by TVguy4566

    Name one director who is great who was a niche director who only directed one type of movie or a bunch of movies set in the same universe. I can't think of one. <br><br> Variety in film making doesn't make a great director. But a great director needs to have some range to direct a variety of different films. But the more variety you do in films, doesn't make you a better director. <br><br> As for Scott, I think he is or at least was a great director too. Alien, Blade Runner, and Gladiator would be somewhere on my all time best movies list. I loved the Duellist, Black Rain, and Black Hawks Down. If you look at the list I just mentioned, it definitely supports my argument since Scott made a lot of really great movies and none of them were remotely the same as the next.

  • June 25, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I don't know, Salemslut

    by password.swordfish

    This is mostly a response to the earlier discussion on Halloween. I already know you and I have pretty different tastes, which has just been reiterated with your proclamation that the original was boring. I completely disagree, but that's your opinion. My skepticism has to do with the Director's cut of the remake - can it really be that different? Are they still explaining how Myers became what he is, because that was a huge problem I had with the remake. Do you care about Laurie in the remake, cause I wanted to slap her annoying face in the theatrical version, and thought his depiction of teenage girls was appallingly off. But then you said you hated the theatrical version too. I guess I respect your knowledge and opinion enough to check the director's cut out, but I remain doubtful.

  • June 25, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Also, on Zombie

    by password.swordfish

    I don't think he's the worst director out there. Actually, I think he's pretty interesting visually and I love the way he uses music. The problem is that the guy can't write to save his life. Neither 1000 Corpses nor Rejects have plots or a narrative arc, but are basically "hillbillies go on killing spree and are extra fucked up." his dialogue is amongst the worst I've ever heard, and his characters are one-note. I truly think he could be great if he would consider directing someone else's script - that's what keeps his movies from being good, in my opinion.

  • June 25, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    MOM, I agree to a point

    by password.swordfish

    I've never needed traditional story arcs or narratives, and some of the best movies are left ambiguous at the end. I was even entertained by My Dinner with Andre. So on that we completely agree. But Zombie has yet to prove he even knows what narrative is, or can construct any kind of story. Also, those fantastic movies without narrative are driven by either character or dialogue (ideally both), which are also very weak points in Zombie's work. You can't have a good movie in which nothing changes, nothing is said, and no one is interesting. Therein lies my beef with Zombie's work - nothing really happens between the beginning and the end except a lot of killing (good fun, to be sure, but not a good movie). I feel like Zombie just cannot write, and should leave that to others. Funny you should mention the Randall arc, which is the closest Zombie has come to demonstrating knowledge of story. Also the most interesting part of any of his movies, but it is still very clumsily handled (very hamfisted and obvious, with a pretty weak finish). I like your take on the original Laurie, and agree that she was never the innocent seen in later slasher flicks. I mean, she smokes up on camera - isn't that supposed to be a death stroke? It is hard to separate the character from Lee, who is undoubtedly a great actress. That may have lifted the character above the material, although I also just think the original Laurie was less of an idiotic bitch and more sympathetic.

  • June 25, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Actual dinosaurs?

    by bobjustbob

    You know, dinosaurs haven't been around for a long time. :)

  • June 25, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, I bet you're right Salemslut

    by password.swordfish

    I'm such a fan of the original that I thought a remake was unnecessary and to be honest, kind of arrogant. I bet I would have enjoyed it a lot more if Zombie had just done his take on the creation of a serial killer, and hadn't linked it to the original movies. I'm still going to check out the director's cut, just so I can see how it changed. Even if I don't like it, I never consider 2 hours of blood splatter to be a waste of time, regardless of how bad the rest of the movie is (case in point, I just sat through Blood Rage and Deadly Spawn - gore being the ONLY redeeming factor).

  • June 25, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST

    swordfish, re: Rejects arc

    by necgray

    I agree and disagree. I liked Rejects a lot, mostly for the eventual role-reversal, which as you say is the most interesting aspect of the film. Where I would disagree is that I think he CAN write, and the role-reversal is proof. But I think he distracts himself with genre convention and "cool" moments. He gets caught up in bullshit. Maybe he isn't even aware of how effective that role-reversal is. I really disliked Ho1KC, but thought Rejects totally made up for it. And this kind of addresses what people are saying about his over-reliance on the hillbilly stereotype. I think he broke through convention and stereotype with Rejects. He showed us how truly awful the Firefly clan is, but then showed us that "awful" is relative and ANYONE can be a victim, even a victimizer. Unfortunately he followed it up with Halloween, which just seemed to me like a colossal waste AND a step backwards.

  • June 25, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    and re: Dog Soldiers

    by necgray

    Yeah, the editing can be a bit much, but I don't think it's excessive. I LOVE Dog Soldiers. I'm a sub-genre fan of "Werewolf Movies" and I gotta say Dog Soldiers is one of the most awesome small-budget werewolf flicks out there. Along with Ginger Snaps, which some of you have mentioned. Both movies are excellent examples of the sub-genre. WAAAAAY better than American Werewolf in Paris, Cursed, or the Underworld movies and those things had huge budgets. If you think Dog Soldiers is bad, I challenge you to check out Big Bad Wolf or Wolves of Wall Street or DarkWolf or pretty much all of the Howling sequels and tell me they're better than Dog Soldiers.

  • June 25, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Interesting necgray

    by password.swordfish

    I'm coming around, I'm just not fully ready to concede the point. I agree that the role-reversal shows potential, and Zombie may have been trying to say something with it, but he never followed through. He introduced the intriguing idea (although more interesting to me is the initial victim as victimizer, which we see over and over in cases of child molestation and domestic violence), and then cut it off abruptly. Randall is killed, they hop in their car and carry on. Actually the more I think on it, the more I agree that narrative is sacrificed for convention, because rather than give us a real conclusion for the Randall arc, we get a 5 minute slo-mo car chase/shootout to Free Bird. A cool scene, but not a real conclusion to the story as it's set up. So I'll say that he shows potential to be able to write and construct a story, but this has yet to be realized in my eyes. Also, totally don't get the Marshall hate here; I dug both Dog Soldiers and the Descent. The man knows atmosphere.

  • June 25, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    coolest poster ive seen in years

    by BurgerKing

    I DONT LIE

  • June 25, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    swordfish, more re: Rejects

    by necgray

    I'm actually partially with you again on the squandered ending. The shoot-out at the end set to "Freebird" is another example of having a great idea but screwing it up with "cool". I think he was trying to show that these people are beyond redemption. Despite the fact that they just went through this victimization and SHOULD theoretically sympathize with the police, they're just too awful. They won't give up peacefully because they lack respect for life, even though they just almost died themselves. They lack respect for life and though they know death is an inevitability for them, they refuse to die on anyone else's terms. It's this kind of admirable self-will combined with the slow-motion death set to "Freebird" that is both powerful and kind of ass-backwards. Zombie spent most of the movie showing us what despicable people the Firefly clan is, but then he martyrs them by making their deaths "cool". To me, the movie he should have gone to for inspiration here is Bonnie and Clyde. An utterly unheroic blaze of bullets that ended almost as soon as it started. And Bonnie and Clyde retained that sense of admiration for the characters without glorifying them. Maybe that's what I'm trying to say, then. The mistake of Rejects' ending is that it glorifies the Firefly clan instead of admires them.

  • June 25, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    also, sword, re: Marshall and atmosphere

    by necgray

    That's absolutely my favorite thing about The Descent. Before we even see the cave creatures, there's already been a bucketload of tension. Just the girls in the unmapped cave ALONE is nerve-wracking. Then you add the creatures.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    The Descent

    by Series7

    Yeah see I didn't really know shit about it going into it, and by that I mean downloading it like a year before it came out here and watching it really late one night. I thought it was going to be about people trapped in a cave, I was pretty fucking surprised. When I watched it again there are a couple of scenes where you can see the monster in the background really early in the movie its pretty cool if you missed it.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST

    You are totally wrong about that ending

    by Lost Jarv

    Necgray nails it. It isn't cool in the sense you're using it, but everything about it, the editing, the shooting, the music reeks of an oversaturation of style. The fireflys crying etc is an obviously sympathetic scene. <P>Necgray is totally right, Zombie had obviously watched The Wild Bunch (and Rejects is not a patch on ANYTHING Peckinpah did) beforehand when he should have been watching the death scene in Bonnie and Clyde or, dare I say it, James Caan's death in The Godfather. Short, brutal and unsympathetic.

  • June 26, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    That isn't satire.

    by Lost Jarv

    I don't know what it is, it is manipulative, but it isn't satire.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    rubbish. Complete rubbish.

    by Lost Jarv

    You are missing the point. Again. The ending of rejects is not some intellectualised statement of politics, and it isn't some sort of darkly ironic comment on human nature. What it is, is the logical and inevitable conclusion for the fireflys. If there's any irony in the use of music it is in the fact that they were never free from the narrative limitiations put on them. And I'm not willing to concede that. It's like Laserpants attempt to reposition Hostel as satire. <P>Zombie is not a thematic pupil of peckinpah. There's none of the same themes in any of Zombie's films as in, say, Bring me the head of... Zombie laces his efforts with stylistic tics stolen from other people and one of the sources is obviously Peckinpah. He's a visual magpie. <P>However, in obviously robbing from Peckinpah at the end of rejects he missed the point. Just as you are missing the point. The scene would have been 1000 times more effective as a punchy unedited short slaughter of the desperados. <P>If you want the irony, then use Freebird for the music over the credits. <P>However, he doesn't have the imagination to do this.

  • June 26, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    and why bag Tony Scott

    by Lost Jarv

    Top Gun is dopey fun- and a much better blockbuster than anything we saw last year. True Romance is excellent, as is The Last Boy Scout. <P>Although on a shitty streak at the moment (to put it mildly. To quote a British Reviewer: "Domino sucks like a dyson"), to call him a hack and lump him in with the likes of Ratner is just horseshit.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv, looks like it's you and me, buddy

    by necgray

    Proper English writers with a cogent argument to back them up vs broken English writers with pseudo-intellectual arguments to back them up. Oh, and penis cracks. You're spot on about MOM. He does that a lot. Makes what sounds like a cogent argument but is really 98% bullshit. It's funny because he and I both like Rejects, it seems, but I also think he's totally off on that ending. And MOM, before you have a tantrum about me ragging on your English, I'd like to point out that I typed Bonnie and Clyde IN MY POST. It's spelled correctly IN MY POST. You can reference it directly. How you fail to edit your own mangled typing is beyond me and frankly makes all your arguments a lot weaker. Is that fair? Not necessarily, but it's totally true. Stop hitting the "Post" button as soon as you're done typing and edit your f'n posts.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    MOM, you ignore the "glorification" point

    by necgray

    That's the big difference to me between The Wild Bunch and Bonnie and Clyde and Devil's Rejects. The Wild Bunch unfortunately suffers from *some* glorification, but those characters also have redeeming qualities that make it easier to swallow. Bonnie & Clyde is great because it never glorifies the duo. It makes them charming and likeable, but it never implies that what they do is admirable. Rejects first sets the characters up as horrible villains, then reverses the role (which I think WAS a brilliant stroke) and makes us sympathize with the Firefly clan (again, I like this aspect). So by the end of the turn, we kind of wish the Firefly clan would either give itself up or die already. They choose suicide by cop, which I think is fine and thematically sound. They don't respect life, even their own. But then they go out in a sequence that is set in slow motion with Freebird in the background. Already you've amped up the "cool" factor. You can't deny that that sequence is loaded with "this is badass" attitude. Which is absolutely inappropriate. To make things worse, the entire sequence is JUST the Fireflys. So throughout this sequence, we're focused ONLY on these characters. They take a hail of bullets and keep on going, which again screams "This is badass!" It's all glorification of the Firefly clan. It's all, "Look at how tough and mean and defiant these characters are." And if you don't get that, if Zombie doesn't get that, then you both need to learn a lot more about the psychology of image.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    or, to directly address your claim

    by necgray

    They don't "get their just desserts". What they deserve is what they gave: short, brutal, pathetic death. What they get is drawn-out, defiant, VISUALLY HEROIC death.

  • June 26, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I think you all missed the boat

    by Series7

    About the ending. It was just cool. Rob Zombie has said that he just wanted a finalized movie. No room for sequels (unless they make a movie about Tiny?). The studios wanted to make a franchise out of it, so thats probably why the overly glorification of it, it was kind of like a big fuck you to the studios. Now I know Rob fucking loves movies, especially old ones and he is very smart. But I bet 90% of what he does is because he thinks it looks cool/badass. Also you guys are barking up the wrong Scott, if anything this is almost the same ending as TONY's Thelma and Louise. Actually those movies are kind of similar the more I think about it. Also fucking Domino was terrible, it wasn't subversive and it was just a nightmare to watch. <P> I've asked this before and I don't think he answered, but is M-O-M even American? For some reason when I read his post the voice of a 20 something Sweedish/Norwegian guy or the voice of a 15-40 year old Asian guy (because its hard to tell their age, come on you know its true) goes through my head. Any thoughts?

  • June 26, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Necgray, Salemslut and Series

    by Lost Jarv

    Series & Necgray- That's what we're saying. The end of Rejects wasn't subversive, it wasn't political, and it wasn't ironic. It was just peckinpah-esque cool visuals that weekend and undermined what had come before. <P>Fuck 'em. I'll argue all night with Zombie apologists. Funnily enough, I'm not saying rejects was a bad film. There was much to commend it, but it isn't a classic. <P>Domino was unwatchable, horribly lit, horribly cast, horribly acte, add edited shite. A waste of a fascinating true story. <P>M-O-M is the artist formerly known as Bladerunnerunit and is Portuguese.

  • June 26, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Whoa whoa whoa.....

    by password.swordfish

    Are we really discussing the Devil's Rejects in comparison to the Wild Bunch? The Wild Bunch is a masterpiece that I don't think glorifies the violence at all - that's one of the reasons Peckinpah was so pissed at the cuts initially made to the movie. The more in-depth back-stories to the characters were meant to make the audience sick when they committed the terrible acts of violence they did. He wanted to disturb with the violence, not titillate. He was making a statement about the level of violence in society, perfectly evidenced by the scorpions and the ants. Even the law is awful; any sympathy we have for the outlaws comes from their loyalty to each other (which even starts to break), which the upstanding citizens lack. Wait, now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense to discuss The Devil's Rejects in reference to the Wild Bunch, if only to point out how it should be done, and what a failure the Rejects is in comparison.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Just as a sidenote...

    by password.swordfish

    Again, I don't think Rejects was a complete failure as a film, it just is if it was trying to get the same message across as the Wild Bunch. Honestly, and this isn't meant as a personal insult, but I think a lot of you are giving Zombie way to much credit. Again, I find the ice cream scene to be obvious and ham-fisted. Look, they like ice cream! Now they'll stop to feed starving puppies, and have a car wash water fight (sorry, cheesiest thing I could think of - it's still early to me!). The ending was satiric? I think he just thought it looked cool and was a kick-ass ending. I guess once a movie is made and is out in the public, people can interpret it anyway they like regardless of the director's intentions, and it's cool you guys got so much out of it. I just don't think it had that much depth.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by password.swordfish

    I've already conceded I think he's an interesting director, so I agree there. He's not remotely the worst out there. At least you know he loves what he does, and doesn't just spew shit to make a buck (cough, Bay, cough). You can tell he has a passion for film, I just don't think he knows how to make a complete movie yet. He knows cool scenes, he knows well-done violence, and he knows music. He has no idea what a character is, and needs to take a scriptwriting course to learn how to write dialogue beyond the inane bullshit his actors usually spew (and his wife is an awful actress - or maybe that's just how he directs her, I don't know). I can understand how people couldn't like him, as so far he's pretty one-note, and he has yet to do that really well. But I'll give you that at least he shows potential, and if those other areas improve, I think he could do some great things. That's more than I can say about Boll or Cohen, for sure.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    From the top

    by Lost Jarv

    I don't think Rejects is in the same league as The Wild Bunch, but the slo-mo death in shootout was stylistically lifted from it. <P>Memories, stop being a cunt and look at what I wrote- I said I didn't hate Rejects and there was lots to commend in it. Try again. <P>Top Gun is gay? so? It's good fun, and can be watched hungover on a Sunday without stressing your brain. It isn't an abomination. But I forgot, you're so far in the closet you're standing in fucking Narnia and are dismissing it for being "fucking gay". You have issues. <P>Tony Scott's best film is The Last Boy Scout. Fact. <P>Man on fire is offensively obvious shit. Really, he hasn't made anything good in a while, but True Romance, Top Gun and Last Boy Scout (the latter especially) elevate him from being a hack.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    MOM, on the glorified deaths

    by password.swordfish

    Hell yes that was glorified. They get to go out on their own terms - they make the choice. A hail of bullets? That's what would be classified in the middle ages as going down in the heat of the battle, which was something to aspire towards. They were clearly heroes in their own minds, and to them, that would have been a martyrs death. If you don't see any death as glorified, I can see how you would not consider their deaths that way, but that's about the only way to account for it. Lost Jarv, definitely agree that there were stylistic elements "borrowed" for Rejects. Sorry if I misunderstood.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    That is the cuntiest post you've ever put up

    by Lost Jarv

    and you've really given that prize some competition. Do you just like reading your own posts?Your TB onanism is ridiculous. <P>What is wrong with you? No-one is directly comparing Rejects and Wild Bunch/ Bonnie and Clyde. What we've repeatedly been saying is that the style of end in Bonnie and Clyde was more appropriate for Rejects. <P>And will you stop it with "TDR is mroe radical in that the characters have no redeaming characteristics whatsoever, they are utterly unlikable". It isn't radical, thousands of films have had completely villanous unlikable leads- you want a truly great picture that focuses on a degenerate bastard and pisses all over Rejects? Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Which was made a fuck of a long time (15 years off the top of my head) before Rejects. It isn't innovative, it isn't radical. But it is an above average psycho movie. <P>And for the record- after 3 films Piss weak script Anderson had Shopping, Event Horizon and Mortal Kombat on his resume- which is nicely comparable (if not superior, more variety- which is something you approve of) to Zombie.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks MOM.

    by password.swordfish

    For the record, I've totally dug this too. I love debating movies, especially with people that disagree, cause you get such different perspectives, even if you don't change your mind. I have no problem with an agree to disagree. People have different tastes. Also, I'm a chick. Not that it matters, it's just kind of funny seeing myself referred to as guy.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Dude

    by password.swordfish

    Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer was fucked up. In the best possible way, but man that flick stayed with me.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Henry monsters Rejects

    by Lost Jarv

    no point pretending otherwise. Henry is the film that Rejects wishes it was.<P>And The Last Boy Scout has so many great moments in it- not just one: The opening football match, Bruce discovering his wife is fucking his mate, "punch me again and I'm going to kill you", Where his daughter rescues him and he escapes with the improv comedy, dancing a jig after disposing of the bad guy. It is full stop a fucking good film. Shane Black wrote it, and Tony Scott when on form directed it.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    make up my mind?

    by Lost Jarv

    I've been consistent all the way through. I have repeatedly said that Rejects is not classic, but it isn't awful. Try reading my posts dickhead. <P>And that irony comment was fucking priceless. Not only was it complete gibberish, but shows that you don't know what Irony is.

  • June 26, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    In deference to a lady in the room

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm stopping calling you a cunt. Doesn't mean I think any more of you, but it's not nice to use that word when you know women are present.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    pluses about LBS

    by Lost Jarv

    Script- outstanding, acting excellent, it may be derivative but it's well shot. This is not revisionism. <P>The point that your AGAIN missing, is that you are pretending that by having a protagonist with absolutely no redeeming features Rejects is innovative. I've given you a much earlier, much better film that did this. Therefore, your innovative characters argument is horseshit. <P>Next.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Silence of the Lambs is

    by Lost Jarv

    seriously overrated. Fact

  • June 26, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Chivalry's not dead...

    by password.swordfish

    Thanks for the consideration Lost Jarv, but there's not need to restrict your expressions on my account. I lack that delicate nature I'm supposed to have (or every shitty romantic comedy tells me I should have - also, I'm apparently supposed to be without a sense of humour, and get really pissed when my boyfriend goes out drinking). My friends and I play a game called Shock Value, in which we try to say the most crass thing at the most inappropriate time. The c-bomb gets dropped a lot. Still, a nice thought.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Chivalry's not dead...

    by password.swordfish

    Thanks for the consideration Lost Jarv, but there's not need to restrict your expressions on my account. I lack that delicate nature I'm supposed to have (or every shitty romantic comedy tells me I should have - also, I'm apparently supposed to be without a sense of humour, and get really pissed when my boyfriend goes out drinking). My friends and I play a game called Shock Value, in which we try to say the most crass thing at the most inappropriate time. The c-bomb gets dropped a lot. Still, a nice thought.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Totally loved LBS as a kid

    by password.swordfish

    Course I also wanted to do Bruce Willis because of Die Hard, so it's hard to say how it would hold up now. Still, I always found it to be fun. A little mindless yes, but I though Willis and Wayans had chemistry and the script was above-par for the action/comedy of the time (no surprise Black went on to write the immensely entertaining Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang).

  • June 26, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    M-o-m

    by Series7

    I was just saying because people were knocking your language and all. And it pisses me off with TB'er complain about grammar and shit. Maybe english isn't your native language. I was just saying so people would give you a break.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    It is rare

    by password.swordfish

    Although it's hard to tell by a handle if someone's female unless the handle itself gives something away (I always though Salemslut was a girl cause of that title, which is pretty antiquated on my part). Girls are getting much more into the geeky stuff, but it's still kind of uncommon. I'm the only woman I know who watches BSG rabidly, and most of my female friends don't have much use for Star Wars (obviously the originals) or even Indiana Jones (wha? how? wha?). I think there's less of a distinction now between the girlie girl and the tomboy, but I still find most TV and movies directed at the traditional woman to be pretty vapid and lots of times insulting. Still, I had a good enough time at Sex and the City.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    by password.swordfish

  • June 26, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    whoa, what happened there?

    by password.swordfish

    Anyway, it's been a long time since I've seen it, so it's very possible that it's not as good as I remember. But I did love it growing up. I would have liked to have seen the darker version. Darker and edgier almost always = better in my books.

  • June 26, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    series7 re: the ragging of English

    by necgray

    I did it before and I'm doing it again because if you notice, when I gave the dude shit for it, his posts improved. I might disagree with MOM and sometimes think he's being a douche, but I KNOW he can write a clear post. And when he does, his point is much clearer. I guarantee that if I tried to write in MOM's native tongue, he'd have a healthy belly laugh. I admire the dude's multilingual capabilities. I just also think if you CAN write clearly, you SHOULD. Also, I firmly believe that if you take the time to edit your posts, you also give yourself time to consider what you're saying instead of posting knee-jerk half-cocked rants.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    hey, swordfish

    by necgray

    cunty cunt mccunterton is eating a cunt sandwich in cuntville. How's THAT for your not delicate nature? MWAHAHAHA! Oh, it's nothing you haven't heard before? Well... you can... I just... fuck you! HA! (That'll teach ya.)

  • June 26, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Man LBS and Silence

    by Series7

    Those movies RULE! They both stuck with me much longer then Henry: Portrait. I own Henry and LBS, I just thought Henry was lame. He was an idiot, Serial Killers are not idiots, Hannibel Lecture not an idiot. Both movies were highly entertaining. <P> Also does anyone not see that we are talking about the wrong Scott?? Ridley Scott (the one that directed Blade Runner) who made Thelma and Louise. And Thelma and Louise and Devils Rejects are A LOT A LIKE! <P> Now I'll get behind a Ridley Scott is overrated argument as well as the guy who directed Silence of the Lambs brother being overrated as well. He is dead, but Ted Demme directed Blow, a pretty average and often boring movie. Also Johnthan Demme (Silence) directed Philadelphia, which I think is way more overrated then Lambs. Plus he ain't done shit since.

  • June 26, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    hey, necgray

    by password.swordfish

    I'm officially adopting cunt sandwich into my vocab (as in "eat my..."). Thanks for the belly laugh (although it should have been "that'll learn ya." Excessively offensive language AND bad grammer? Swoon). As for series... Lector is not real - wait did I ruin that? Sorry, but Lector is about as unserial killer as you can. Henry is based on a real serial killer (well, loosely). Hate to break it to you, but serial killers are often idiots. Of course, it's not as much fun to watch, but because I find it more realistic, it's more disturbing to me. Plus, I'm pretty sure the video taping scene really did happen with Lucas and Toole. Yuck.

  • June 26, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Although it's not as if I'm unshockable

    by password.swordfish

    My fella has a friend who refers to the sex organs as chowder pump and chowder dump. Ugh. Yeah, I can be kind of prudish sometimes, cause those gross me out.

  • June 26, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    stick a fork in it, MOM

    by necgray

  • June 26, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    could always spampost, but you'd get banned

    by necgray

  • June 26, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Yeah had to

    by Series7

    Get back to work.