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Fringe 1.1 FAQ What’s it called? “Pilot.” Who’s responsible? Teleplay is credited to the “Alias”-“Mission Impossible III”-“Star Trek” team of J.J. Abrams (“Felicity,” “Lost”) and Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci (“The Island,” “The Legend of Zorro,” “Transformers”). What does Fox say? “When an international flight lands at Boston's Logan Airport and the passengers and crew have all died grisly deaths, FBI Special Agent OLIVIA DUNHAM (newcomer Anna Torv) is called in to investigate. After her partner, Special Agent JOHN SCOTT (Mark Valley, "Boston Legal"), is nearly killed during the investigation, a desperate Olivia searches frantically for someone to help, leading her to DR. WALTER BISHOP (John Noble, "Lord of the Rings"), our generation's Einstein. There's only one catch: he's been institutionalized for the last 17 years, and the only way to question him requires pulling his estranged son PETER (Joshua Jackson, "Dawson's Creek") in to help. When Olivia's investigation leads her to manipulative corporate executive NINA SHARP (Blair Brown, "Altered States"), our unlikely trio along with fellow FBI Agents PHILLIP BROYLES (Lance Reddick, "The Wire"), CHARLIE FRANCIS (Kirk Acevedo, "Oz") and ASTRID FARNSWORTH (Jasika Nicole, "Law & Order: Criminal Intent") will discover that what happened on Flight 627 is only a small piece of a larger, more shocking truth.” The big news? I’d be shocked if we see another fall pilot this year as good as this one. Scary, funny, suspenseful and superslick “Fringe” will fire imaginations and, like the three Abrams-scripted pilots before it, leave viewers craving more. What’s this about “a larger, more shocking truth?” That “larger, more shocking truth” business is interesting, and complicated. The description of superscientist Walter Bishop as “our generation’s Einstein” represents a rare bit of understatement on the part of Fox’s publicity department. Bishop is more like this generation’s Milo Rambaldi, the shadowy 15th century seer/inventor who haunted the events of “Alias” by designing technology he saw in our future. Bishop’s twentysomething son (who turns out to be plenty brainy himself) believes with Sydney Bristow-esque naivety that his chemist father made his living in a basement below Harvard University, “doing research for a toothpaste company.” Aim? Aquafresh? As it happens, Walter Bishop’s lab beneath Harvard had little to do with toothpaste and more to do with rapidly evolving technology into the realm of science fiction. “He was part of a classified U.S. Army experimental program called Kelvin Genetics,” the FBI girl tentatively explains to Bishop’s shocked son about 30 minutes into the 2-hour pilot. “They gave him the resources to do whatever work he wanted.” And all this is somehow tied to the plane mishap? There was “an accident” in that Harvard lab some two decades ago. Ubergenius Bishop was arrested. Bishop’s lab-mate and only confidant was a fellow named William Bell who, sometime subsequent to Bishop’s institutionalization, became the superrich, superfamous and superpowerful founder of a now-$50 billion high-tech defense contractor called Massive Dynamics, which appears to manufacture robots, weapons, proprietary pharmaceuticals, and a host of other modern miracles. And Massive Dynamics (an entity of which the long-sequestered Bishop remained wholly unaware) recently employed someone with an intimate knowledge of what happened on that plane bound for Boston. Say. Didn’t Fox already air a series about FBI agents investigating the uncanny? It did. Will subsequent “Fringe” episodes deal with sentient extraterrestrial crude oil, killer bees or humanoid tapeworms? We learn late in the “Fringe” pilot that what happened on that horrifying flight is somehow tied to a wave of three dozen incidents investigated and “authenticated” over the prior nine months. Dozens of kids who disappeared a decade ago have just begun reappearing, having not aged a day. A mysterious plane carrying a very noisy device apparently appeared in the skies over Asia not long before a tsunami killed 83,000 people. A man woke up from a long coma and began jotting down a seemingly endless stream of numbers – numbers that turned out to be “above top-secret” coordinates for NATO battlegroups stationed in the Pacific. Few are aware of these incidents, but certain U.S. officials are calling them “The Pattern.” Is the “Fringe” pilot as good as the “X-Files” pilot? Ha! The “Fringe” pilot strips its hot blonde FBI girl down to her underwear just before it sticks a cold metal rod in her brain and drops her in a tank full of saltwater. So yes. The pilot also suggests the “Fringe” series will offer more interesting characters and a more persuasive and coherent mythology than did Fox’s earlier sci-fi FBI series. The production values, stunts and special effects are eye-popping and even its superimpositions (showy, floaty text that tells us whether we’re in Boston or Baghdad) are supercool. “Twin Peaks” had FBI agents investigating weird stuff every week, didn’t it? Is the “Fringe” pilot as good as the “Twin Peaks” pilot? Nothing’s as good as the “Twin Peaks” pilot. Is the “Fringe” pilot as good as the Abrams-directed “Alias” and “Lost” pilots? It is not. But those were two of the best pilots ever forged. How rate you “Fringe’s” cast? Terrific top to bottom. Torv and Jackson are compelling and convincing leads. Blair Brown (one of the pilot’s many nods to “Altered States”) is spooky as a creepy Massive Dynamics exec. “Wire” walker Lance Reddick brings beautiful suspicion and disdain to his latest bald-guy-in-charge. And Noble does a spectacular job as the broken brain at the center of the tale – summoning a performance by turns sad and funny and scary. Abrams didn’t direct this pilot, right? Emmy-winning director-producer Alex Graves, whose work has graced “The West Wing,” “The Practice,” “Gideon’s Crossing” and “Journeyman,” helmed the pilot. His work here is striking and exceptional. Isn’t Abrams essentially abandoning “Fringe” as he did “Alias” and “Lost”? I gather Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci all have busy, expensive big-screen careers and will not be actively involved with the series. The good news is Jeff Pinkner, an “Alias” vet who wrote the superb “Lost” episodes “Not In Portland” and “The Man From Tallahassee,” has taken over as series showrunner. This sounds … promising. How long before Fox cancels it? “Fringe’s” lead-in this fall is the megahit “House.” Its lead-in next spring is the super-megahit “American Idol.” “Fringe,” I suspect, is going to be a ratings monster. Fox airs the 2-hour “Fringe” pilot Sept. 9.

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  • June 20, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...exactly how hot is Anna Torv?<P>And Lance Reddick rocks. That guy has got a strut like a mo' fo'.

  • June 20, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Hope its as good as X-Files

    by bigbadbua

    the early years of that show were fantastic

  • June 20, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Super excited...

    by Redfoot the Fence

    I'm a big believer in Abrams' ability to conjure up awesome CONCEPTS (the execution has been iffy, of course), so this is extremely promising. That said...SEPTEMBER NINTH IS TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AWAY! Ahhhh!!!

  • June 20, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    But will they use "Lunatic Fringe" as the theme song?

    by TrumpyEatsPotatoes

    Tom Cochrane is all good.

  • June 20, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Sci-Fi shows on FOX

    by Heckles

    Good luck. The list of survivors begins and ends with The X-Files. Only way this will last is with the "FROM THE CREATOR OF LOST" splashed on every promo.

  • June 20, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    mariachi asks an EXCELLENT question

    by Hercules

    On the show, it's explained that the plane was one of the first to be equipped with a self-landing device. I assume this is a Massive Dynamics product and does not really exist in our universe. (Though I hope I assume wrongly.) <p> Anna Torv is plenty hot and grows hotter when she strips.

  • June 20, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Heckles

    by Hercules

    Good news. "FROM THE CREATOR OF LOST" is, against every expectation, splashed on every promo.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    "Anna Torv is plenty hot and grows hotter when she strips."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Then count me in.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Anna Torv

    by Redfoot the Fence

    Is Anna's hotness the only thing that "grows" when she strips? I couldn't resist...

  • June 20, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Cobbio

    Right on, Herc. I dug the trailer for "Fringe," and I'm glad Jeff Pinkner will be running the show. Abrams has a whole crew of talented associates he's cross-pollinating into cool roles.<p> Can't wait for this.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Herc, you forgot to give it your star rating!

    by Yeti

    How many?

  • June 20, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Seen it.

    by spyro

    I've seen it and didn't rate it at all. Thought it was a poor x-files rip off, heavily cliched with stock characters that could be taken out of any sci-fi-esque series.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    AICN in Abrams' pocket as usual.

    by Darksider

    Jackson does need the work though. If you want the X-Files, why not just have new agents? It's not like the cases will go away after Mulder and Scully. X-Files without the alien stuff beating you over the head every other episode might not actually suck.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    star rating:

    by Hercules

    at least four.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Sounds good to me

    by password.swordfish

    I agree with Redfoot, Abrams concepts are always better than his execution of ideas. Actually, him splitting may have benefited Lost, so I'm cool with him taking off. Although Alias did turn into a steaming pile of crap, so i hope Pinkner wasn't involved in those later seasons (actually anything beyond season 2).

  • June 20, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    The Fringe pilot is MARKEDLY better than The X-Files pilot.

    by Hercules

    Remember please that Chris Carter was just some dude who wrote an episode of "Midnight Caller." Abrams is the guy who created "Alias" and Lost."

  • June 20, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I'll probably watch it

    by chrth

    Just to see Noble show range in a character, rather than the one-note villain PJ concocted for Denethor.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I agree Herc...but I'm worried.

    by dark-knight02

    I've seen the pilot too and I was extremely entertained. This show doesn't take itself as seriously as the X-Files and I think it may be better for it. HOWEVER- this is Fox we're talking about. This network has killed many a good show (...Firefly, Wonderfalls,etc) in their prime. But the time-slot is a good show of faith. I hope this one stays around for awhile.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Why are people worried about cancellation?

    by password.swordfish

    Abrams has never had a project canceled. If the show can't capitalize on the lead-in it has, then it doesn't deserve to stay around. Sorry, but those are two of the highest rated programs on TV (esp and inexplicably, AI). Talk about giving it a fair shot (or more than)!

  • June 20, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    drturing

    by Hercules

    I'm hoping this show is going to be "Alias" -- only without the network asking Abrams to ditch all the Rambaldi stuff. We'll see.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    "Abrams has never had a project canceled."

    by Hercules

    Except for "Felicity," "Alias," "What About Brian" and "Six Degrees."

  • June 20, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    And when you think about it, Lost has been cancelled

    by chrth

    They're just burning off episodes the next two seasons ;)

  • June 20, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Bah...

    by MR. MURDOCH

    Abrams can throw a stick two yards these days, and it will be praised as "EXTREMELY SUSPENSEFUL QUALITY TELEVISION!" I don't mind his stuff, I'm just a little turned off that he and the O and K have got their hands in...well...EVERYTHING. Though I am looking forward to the TREK. Gotta give some props to Pacey, though, in this show he almost, *ALMOST* looks like he could have been Bruce Wayne. HEY -- don't freak out!! I said, ALMOST! Doesn't mean I would have picked him over Bale either...

  • June 20, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by password.swordfish

    Wow I usually really agree with you, but you wanted MORE Rambaldi? Damn, half-way through the third season I wanted to poke my eye out every fucking time they said that name. And how many freaking Rambaldi devices did they find? None ever did anything but lead to another Rambaldi device. That for me was proof that Abrams had no idea what he wanted to do with that story. Difference of opinion, I guess, but I'm usually on the exact same page as you are. I hated that element of Alias.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Whoops,

    by password.swordfish

    forgot about Six Degrees, and I didn't know Felicity was canceled. I still say they just put Alias out of it's misery at that point, but point taken. Apologies for my extreme wrongness on that point.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    A Couple of Things

    by amrcanpoet

    1) "Appraises" probably should be "Praises." To appraise, is simply to put a dollar amount on something. It could *technically* work, but I don't think it's the best word. 2) To say that "Carter was just some dude who wrote" an episode, and that Abrams is somehow given a free-pass because of him creating "Alias" and (not creating) executive producing "Lost" is like saying "Dreamcatcher" is great, because it was written by the guy who wrote "Billy and the Sundance Kid" and "The Princess Bride." I think we can ALL think of examples of "great" minds who created absolute rubbish; and, vice versa, nobodies who came out of nowhere to create instant classics. So, I think your argument against XF is fallacious, from the standpoint of Carter being "some dude" and Abrams being the guy who "created 'Alias' and 'Lost," when he didn't actually create "Lost" to begin with.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Oh, one more thought

    by amrcanpoet

    You can call XF's mythology convoluted (as I have done many times in the past); but you can't hold a twisted, non-sensical candle to the mess that was "Alias"s mythology. There may be someone out there who can do paranormal mythos better (Lynch even lost it in season 2 of TP), but it CERTAINLY won't be Abrams.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Abrams didn't create "Lost"???

    by Hercules

    Are we certain?

  • June 20, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    potential riddled with cliches

    by Merlox

    I just watched Fringe about two days ago and couldn't help rolling my eyes at a few easily avoidable cliches. A few spoilers on from here on out. Torv is downright wooden in this show IMO. There's really nothing compelling about her character whatsoever and it's a shame she's going to be the main character instead of Jacksons Peter Bishop. The whole love/partner/double agent thing is so easily picked out and frustratingly cliche in a show with enough weird to throw out the book. John Noble was solid and I'm really looking forward to his interaction with Jackson. This will be a ratings monster for the most part and the nature of every episode with it's weird diseases and monsters will keep me watching. Too bad the lead isn't at all interesting to keep me really focused.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    You WON'T have to worry about this show not having

    by snowpuff

    ...any true resolution or explanation like Alias.<br> <br> That's because it probably won't survive very long on Fox. Abrams is very good at creating cool stories with fascinating concepts. He just doesn't know the answers to any of the stuff he comes up with.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Colour me shocked - AICN goes overboard on a new Abrams show!

    by elab49

    But seriously. Positives - 2 excellent actors in there. Never heard of Torv before but I was very impressed. Noble of course - the role needed someone with that kind of strength. And Jackson wasn't as annoying as the trailer made it look like he would be. Nicely filmed too - some nice camerawork, titles were cool (although derivative). And for about 2/3 rds it actually hangs together. But then - oh by the way, there is this like major major really bad conspiracy. You're not cleared - oh, wait a minute, yes you are. Too much, too soon, and I simply didn't buy it. But that was a problem from the moment she said yes to the drugged up thing. Problems then cropped up a bit more - dumb coincidence at the end, pacing needs to be looked at. But throwing the whole global thing in your face (and Brown's unnecessary strip) just showed a lack of patience and an extreme clunkiness - look, we're going to be doing this so lets drop it all in your lap in one go. And the thing with Cedric? Oh look - animosity. Oh look - maybe not. In out in out - the uneven tone made the whole backstory useless. Why couldn't he just not like liasons (who seem to have working partners?!?) If it is going to work as a series they are going to have to step up the writing to be at least partly deserving of the great work being done by their actors. And who can actually write funny lines - every obvious attempt at one pretty much fell flat. It was a damn cow - how bad a writer do you have to be not to get a belly laugh out of that?!?

  • June 20, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    well....

    by Merlox

    I dunno if there'll be monsters......but I sure hope there's SOMEthing like it.

  • June 20, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    mariachi madness

    by Philo

    and Hercules for that matter. Most modern aircraft can land themselves these days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland

  • June 20, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah....quick question...

    by Merlox

    can anyone tell me WHY the guys twin brother stuck himself with the pen and released the plane contained contagion? Did I miss some explanation on why he was forced to kill himself?

  • June 20, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    philo

    by Hercules

    that may be the best news I've heard all year.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Snowpuff

    by password.swordfish

    that was exactly my feeling watching his stuff. His cliffhangers and concepts can be outstanding and intriguing, but the answers were always pretty "oh, yawn" or "wait... what?".

  • June 20, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    damn enter button.

    by RaveX

    ¸in my defence, we just lost to turkey in 120th minute and I'm all kinds of dreunk... <pY so, did the fringe pilot really made you wait foir the next episode as eagerly as lost and alis pilots did?

  • June 20, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    NukeMyFridge

    by Merlox

    naw I saw it....just kind of started to focus in and out. I knew it was a diabetic needle pen...I just thought for some reason he was actually forced to inject himself knowingly with that stuff for whatever reason. He seemed super jumpy beyond just a guy scared about a turbulant plane ride is all. Seemed like he knew he was about to die and kill some folk. But like I siad once the cliche "Oh noes the partner is bad!" popped up I just lost a bit of interest and finished it up...;)

  • June 20, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    not sure how this happened

    by RaveX

    but I'm quite sure there was more to my previous post them there is up there... <pY so, the addirtion to my question was: did it reaklly made you wait for nexr episode as eagerly as lost and alia pilots did?

  • June 20, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Lost was created by Lindeloff

    by TequilaMocking

  • June 20, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    ok, figured it ouit now

    by RaveX

    when you mess uop the line break, the resto of your post gets erased. <p> so, third time's a charm: did it really made you wait for nextt episode as eagerly as lost and alia pilots did?

  • June 20, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Well anyone who like the Sarah conner chronicels must know what

    by what a shock

    you couldn't stuff a missle up my ass and fire me into a television set to watch anything those two hacks write. But i don;t mena that in a bad way.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Lost

    by Lance4431

    I don't think JJ deserves credit for Lost...in the beginning, it had a very JJ feel to it but as it has gone on, it has grown deeper and richer and better...all the JJ-ness has gone out of it. I think he's talented but Lost is better now than its ever been.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    So ...

    by Geekgasm

    ... its a glitzier X-Files. Ok.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I read a review elsewhere,,,

    by hank henshaw

    that said that unless this show is drastically changed, it wont last long. That is comes off as a big joke. The reviewer did say the "teaser" was very good.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    In all honesty....

    by StarskyandHushky

    ...I've only just now started watching Lost, its one of those things I never got around to, and I must say, I'm underwhelmed. I'd been hearing how awesome it was, and I'm now at episode 4, season 2, and I'm not hooked. I am only watching it because I am assured it is great. But it is just not gripping me. I also was not very impressed with Cloverfield and MI III ( it was P. S. Hoffman who saved that trainwreck). All in all, I'm starting to think JJ may be more hype than substance. I think Prison Break, Rome, Dexter are much better series then Lost thus far.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Boooring

    by photoboy

    It was dull, plodding and thoroughly unoriginal. If this is the best pilot this season has to offer then it's going to be a very shit season. Kurtzman and Orci strike again it seems, with lots of bland and flat characters and a story that doesn't intrigue at any point. I doubt I'll give episode 2 a try.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Webster Dictionary Definition of "glitzier"...

    by what a shock

    Yes, glitzier i'd say sums it up. Glitzier: Dumber, more contrived, worse acting, less creative, uninteresting, mindless crap.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    but photoboy....

    by what a shock

  • June 20, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Ok

    by DefyThis

    I might check it out, if only for the X-Files similarity and mention of hot half-naked agent ass... but seriously: just Next Generation the X-Files already and be done with all the clones. Follow up the movie or something with some new agents and give it an obvious (but new) tied-in setting, title, cast etc.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    herc said it was good...

    by what a shock

    we all know the guys on here never give bad television or films good reviews, let's not be ridiculous.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Watched it the other day

    by Harrow

    The lead actress is shit at acting, the storyline was cliched, and twists were predictable. I'll keep watching for smth to do on boring evenings, but not excited about it at all. Bring back Alias!

  • if yiure going foe shock factior, you ford+got bsh and the wire as well...

  • June 20, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    gonan go pass ourt now

    by RaveX

    and cry reading what I wreite in thr morning. cya

  • June 20, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Did you...

    by StarskyandHushky

    ...type that with your face? Anyways, haven't seen the Wire yet, but judging from how much I am disliking Lost at the moment, I'd say it is probably better.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Lost just keeps getting better and better!

    by BadMrWonka

    also, the war in Iraq is going really well and water is dry.

  • June 20, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    prison break is a good series?

    by RokurGepta

    give me some of what you're smoking

  • June 20, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Skully stripped in the X-Files pilot

    by therealkumar

    This show is a rip-off!

  • June 20, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Watched this last night....

    by tristeele

    with the wife. We both thought it was really good. Really enjoyed the female lead and both the crazy scientist and his son played by Joshua Jackson. A few plot points were very obvious as someone stated above....but we think the show has tons of potential. The floaty text on screen letting you know the setting are really cool as well. Better than the basic- type out the location, that almost every other show does. I'm just wondering if they are gonna cut any of the gore from the plane scene at the beginning. That pilot is fucked UP!

  • June 20, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    tristeele...

    by Merlox

    The floaty text WAS cool...I forgot to mention that in my thoughts above. I liked that a lot in the intro to new settings. Although did anyone else catch that the Q in Iraq could be seen from street level after they cut to a different camera? Like it's ALWAYS overhead. I kept saying how I liked that but thought it was a bit much there. :P

  • June 20, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    And...

    by Merlox

    as I remember it Lost was kind of half created by Abrams and ABC studios. I believe they called him up and said they wanted a desert island drama and to just run with that. So it's not like he thought up everything and went with it. But Lost is Cuse and Lindelofs now without a doubt. I wonder how much of what he originally ever wanted to do is there now whether the network or the new heads wrote it out.

  • June 20, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    So?

    by fishpillow

    How the fuck did I see this before Herc?

  • Because THAT is what the X-Files was primarily about and there's no sign of them in the pilot of fringe.<p> <p>And BTW I've been rewatching early X-files and it has some great episodes but it's hardly the pinaccle of TV. Duchovny is very wooden for quite some time before he begins to improve though Anderson is good from the off. It's also NOT the only show avbout paranormal events ever made.<p> <p>The fringe pilot seemed to have confused musical scoring when I saw it with bits of LOST soundtrack lifted wholesale and the Signs themem in there as well as an uninspiring title sequence. (maybe those things will change though).<p> <p>Promising is how I would rate it overall.

  • June 20, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    LOST COULD BE CONSIDERED MODERN ART

    by boogalooshrimp

    Television as a medium has only been around 50 or so years. People are only now mastering the craft and I'd consider lost to have the first true "MEGAPLOT." Abrams, Cuse, Lindeloff, and Jack Bender and the rest are in the have designed this amazing four-dimensional sculpture. So far, Fringe looks to have the best chance yet of re-tapping that long hidden potential.

  • June 20, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Duchovny improves but it takes time

    by G100

    Hey I rate X-Files as a favourite of mine in the Sci-fi field but I personally don't consider it the best by any means.<p> <p>Dochovny BECAME a very good actor. For example his appearances in Larry Sanders are superb. But he was pretty wooden to begin with in the X-Files and a bit of a self parody in Evolution.<p> <p>I just wonder why X-Files fans are so defensive about this new show since it's main plot has nothing to do with the whole UFO thing that the X-Files will forever be remembered for (well that and the whole Fox/Scully will they won't they) There's also a new X-Files Movie due soon to keep fans happy.<p> <p>I'm not willing to trash fringe because it has similarities to the X-Files any more than I was willing to trash the X-Files because it had similarities to the Twighlight Zone or Outer Limits.<p> <p>I say give it a chance. Fringe might collapse under the weight of an overly elaborate arc and I thought the performances by the female lead and the Scientists son were ok but overshadowed by Noble and Reddick, BUT it could turn out to be very good indeed. It's just too early to tell.<p> <p>So why keep harping on about the X-Files ? It had it's time and was extremely impressive in parts but it certainly shouldn't preclude any other show even trying to explore simlar themes.

  • June 20, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    They could rope Aliens into it I suppose

    by G100

    You never know with a main plot as full of hidden secrets as fringe clearly hints it is.<p> <p>I wouldn't stop watching if they did so long as they did it with style. But it seems to be concentrating on the speculative and fringe technology ideas rather than the older staples of paranormal mythology so far.<p> <p>Who knows though. One Epiosode simply isn't enough to tell.

  • June 20, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Yep no problem with that AshokO

    by G100

    Like I said I too rate it highly and certainly higher than those shows you mentioned as well.(Heroes 2nd season just drags it right down from near the top of any list for me)<p> <p>I'm just saying it's not some sacred pillar of TV whose subject matter must always be avoided.<p> <p>Star Trek TOS didn't mean TV could never again tackle the subject of a crew of people in a spacecraft having various "adventures". So all the X-Files references that have been, and will keep coming up, are for me pretty irrelevant.

  • June 20, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    hi....my name is herc and i wanna suck jj's cock

    by bacci40

    eat shit...this show is gonna blow...lost blows, its fans just doent know it cuz they are hypnotized by the fucking boob tube

  • June 20, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    "NATO battlegroups stationed in the Pacific"

    by SG7

    LOL. Ya know what the "A" in NATO is for? Silly TV writers.

  • June 20, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Fringe is a X-Files ripoff

    by Seacor

    No doubt about it.

  • June 20, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    more sober now, so I'll actually try typing correctly

    by RaveX

    first of, who gives a damn is it X-files ripoff or not? last I checked, XF ended some 6 years ago, and since then closest we came to that concept were supernatural (very good show, but different approach to the genre) and alias (not scary at all. not good at all in latter seasons, either...). <p> so, if fringe wants to be new X-files, let it. my only complaint is that effects of virus in pilot were as same as alien virus in XF (minus the alien embryo). but knowing J.J., it wouldn't surprise me at all if in season 2 super secret twist finale we find out that fringe is set in same universe as XF, and mulder and scully make a guest appearance. <p> I said "more sober", not "completely sober". <p> and 3 more words for all of you dissing fringe for it's lack of originality and ripping off x-files: <p> The <p> Night <p> Stalker.

  • June 20, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    It's pretty good, but reminded me too much of...

    by performingmonkey

    ...other shows. It doesn't help that it currently has some temp score (including, amusingly enough, some Lost score, specifically the music used in the pilot and in finales when the group are travelling somewhere, you know it sounds a little like the Jaws score when they're on the boat). Is Noble gonna be a regular? I thought he really lifted this pilot. I can't believe they had a plane opening! Again people are just gonna think of Lost (although Lost, sadly, couldn't get away with the content shown here in Fringe). No doubt we won't see anything as cool as the car flip in the series itself, that's just Abrams blowing the pilot budget.

  • June 20, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    G100

    by Geekgasm

    "I just wonder why X-Files fans are so defensive about this new show since it's main plot has nothing to do with the whole UFO thing " - you wonder? you REALLY wonder? I don't think it has anything to do with being defensive so much as its getting a negative reaction based on the fact that its a sci-fi show about FBI investigators. Okay maybe it doesn't have anything to do with UFOs but come ON, the stench of unoriginality is all over this.

  • June 20, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    dug it

    by ls420

    i think it will be a hit, has potential for sure. x files meets supernatural

  • June 20, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    After the first 3 minutes, the pilot is dull...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Things just drag out until the last 10 or so minutes. Honestly, it feels like a standard 41-minute episode stretched out to 82 minutes. This pilot would have been stronger if they cut it down to 41 minutes.<p><p>I'm not impressed either by the conspiracy -- the so-called "Pattern". Most everything about this feels like every other conspiracy-laden series (including X-Files and LOST), which we've already watched before.<p><p>The lead actress is also un-impressive. At a couple of points in the pilot, her American accent falters. Overall, she's what I would call a generically pretty actress who has honed the ability to play a "strong" female lead, the kind of "power suit" female you see on the Law & Order and CSI franchises.<p><p>Really, the Fringe pilot left me underwhelmed. I don't think that's a good sign, nor do I think pilots should be allowed to be weak -- new shows really need to hit one out of the proverbial ballpark right off, and the Fringe pilot fails. I predict the pilot will premiere to big ratings, but the ratings will fall off during the second hour, and the rest of the series will see a steady decrease in ratings -- UNLESS the writing improves substantially starting in the second episode.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The floaty text...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    That's probably the most memorable element of Fringe -- the text that establishes the location of the scene. (This is the same 3D computer graphics letters that was first used in the opening credits of David Fincher's Panic Room. HEROES does something similar for their episode titles, but it's not as sophisticated as the 3D graphics used in Panic Room and Fringe.)<p><p>That's right. For me, this is the most memorable element from the pilot. The opening three minutes was effectively gory and reminded me of a teaser scene right out of an episode of The X-Files, but it's the floaty location text that is the coolest thing in the pilot. That's not really a compliment.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Won't see a better pilot this season?

    by OgamiTito

    Herc, are you that sure that this will be better than the sainted Whedon's "Dollhouse"?

  • June 20, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by OgamiTito

    Ah. "Fall pilot." Well played, Herc.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Glad to hear it's good

    by Charlie Murphy

    not that i expected any different.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Not a great pilot.

    by CatVutt

    Very predictable and the ridiculous tack-on of the related 'events' at the end played so hamhanded and 'look, we gots lotsa material for future episodes!' that I had to laugh. I do think the cast is pretty solid, but there's nothing in the pilot that puts me in any sort of anticipation to see future episodes.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    as for Abrams creating LOST

    by Charlie Murphy

    as i recall, he didn't "technically" create it. this guy named Jeffrey Lieber had a project in development at ABC that was somewhat similar, but it didn't impress the ABC execs enough. they kept the deserted island/survivor setting, and looked for another writer. That writer was JJ Abrams, who in turn, brought aboard Damon Lindelof, and they both broke down the pilot together. They wrote it, planned out some story arcs, and they were off to the races. Abrams directed the pilot, but aside from co-writing the season 3 premiere, is not involved with the day-to-day stuff for Lost.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Torv has a Cate Blanchett type hotness

    by zooch

    The "fringe science" plot offers alot of potentially interesting storylines. The show is full of twist and turns like Lost and shares that same kind of high production value. Can't wait to see it develop, hope it's lives up to it's potential.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Another problem for Fringe: CBS' 11th Hour

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I have yet to see the pilot for 11th Hour, but the fact that its premise is similar (investigations into the abuse of extreme science and scientific theory) could make things more difficult for Fringe -- especially if the 11th Hour pilot turns out to be better than the Fringe pilot. Maybe they will have cool floaty location text, too.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Watched the pilot

    by Alfred Einstein

    It is uneven. Anna Torv is the best pat of the pilot, essentially Cate Blanchett playing Sydney Bristow. The other parts are not so flash. Joshua Jackson plays a hipster who forgives his absentee dad in 5 mins, and doesn't add much to the mix considering his 190 IQ and lab rat origins.

  • June 20, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    The Panic Room floaty text opening credits...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    You can watch it here:<p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIclb4qsJI<p><p>Fringe uses the same technique to, for example, have big floating words that say "FBI HEADQUARTERS." It's really the only thing I felt was most memorable about the pilot, and it's not even an original element.

  • June 20, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    i'll wait and see

    by Mr_X

    fox is dire with new shows. does it have a chance maybe.it was an interesting enough pilot. didn't exactly, blow it out of the water, but interesting enough

  • June 21, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    I'll give it a chance

    by palinode

    The pilot was a bit uneven, but it might come together over the course of a few episodes. I hope they ditch that Panic Roomesque floaty text though. And I really hope they keep the cow.

  • June 21, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Very Interested

    by BrightEyes

    Love JJ

  • June 21, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    oh and people who say JJ had nothing to do with Lost

    by BrightEyes

    Don't know anything at all.

  • June 21, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    The screener for the pilot...

    by batman713

    has been on the net for a while now... torrents are your best bet. I haven't ever watched X-Files or any of Abram's shows, but I'm hooked on Fringe.

  • June 21, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    daihedral

    by Philo

    trailer shows the incorrect angle on the wings of the aircraft. Anal, I know but it's been bugging me and I'm pretty drunk noe. BTW, Dexter rocks, where's the love?

  • June 21, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Fringe Score

    by Fineus Fog

    was it just me or did this pilot episode feature a lot of music from other films - I am sure when Bishop was setting up his lab it wa the music from Se7en or even Panic Room. If it is Panic Room then they STOLE 2 things from it. I enjoyed it and will probably watch more eps but it wasnt that amazing 7/10

  • June 21, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    muthafu**a!!!

    by Fineus Fog

    I just watched that title sequence of Panic Room and Fringe uses that piece of score too. JJ "I steal both titles idea and score from Panic Room" Abrams --- you've been found out muthafaucka

  • June 21, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Kurtzi Orcman? Abrams? MEH.

    by BRUTICUS

    meh meh

  • June 21, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Alias started out nicely

    by The Selecter

    but later mimicked the trajectory of Oceanic 815. More Rambaldi-esque nonsense? No thanks.

  • June 21, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Plant: Fringe the X-Files deriviative is really really really re

    by Shub-Wankalot

    It's better than sliced bread, really. Disregard the lackluster sheen that covers this mess. Read my lips: it's really really really GOOD.

  • June 21, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST

    lost theme

    by zooch

    there's also a Lost theme in the score. It the "march" theme Lost uses sometimes.

  • June 21, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    I'm amazed some people are liking this

    by Son of Hades

    Possibly the worst thing Orci and Kurtzman have ever written; the dialogue is abysmal, the story full of holes and lazily-researched. And this comes from someone who likes MI:3.

  • June 21, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Does Abrams have a conspiracy wizard in Word?

    by Lightwave7871

    I've seen this and I thought it was derivative, dull, predictable and worst of all going through the same "mystery wrapped in an enigma" conspiracy clue dumps that Abrams dropped in Lost and Alias. I'm sure the man has a Conspiracy generator wizard in Word that writes scripts for him that run like this... Hey you're making a series, please fill in the following questions: Is there a conspiracy? Y/N - Y Does this conspiracy over arc the whole series? Y/N - Y Does this conspiracy use a big mysterious corporation or agency? Y/N -Y Please enter buzz words for this conspiracy: The Pattern, Mega Dynamix Is everyone not as they seem? Y/N - Y Will each episode ask more questions than it answers? Y/N - Y Is there a central maguffin that will be exploited and wheeled out when ever ratings flag? Y/N -Y To quote someone else on another forum I read "This is X-Files for the Bush years. Dire, grim, mean spirited, basically a whole bunch of no-fun" and I agree... I've seen this all before and better done elsewhere, virtual reality, see Harsh Realm, whacked out science, Town called Eureka, FBI agents on the edge of conspiracy, The X-files and so on... Even the location titles that appear all over the place are straight out of Panic Room or Race driver: Grid...

  • "Dozens of kids who disappeared a decade ago have just begun reappearing, having not aged a day" - 4400 FBI + Paranormal - X Files Crew and passengers all dead on a plane - Threshold (cept that was on a boat but who's checkin...)

  • June 21, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    J,J, didn't technically create Lost

    by TequilaMocking

    Jeffrey Leiber had a broad and simple idea. What if we made a drama about survivors of a plane crash on a deserted island? They brought in Lindeloff to develop a show based on that idea and they had J.J. assist him and sort of be a very involved mentor.

  • June 21, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    " a more persuasive and coherent mythology"

    by Laserhead

    Yeah... like 'Alias' for instance, or 'Lost'. Man, those Abrams shows are great for coherent, persuasive mythology. X-Files had great continuity and a coherent mythology-- the only problem was that it all wrapped up in season six and then tried to keep the mythology going another three seasons. Abrams always STARTS a mythology and has no idea where it ends.

  • June 21, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    the only thing that looks weak about this

    by smackfu

    is the presence of Joshua Jackson. Not sure why, but he bugs me.

  • June 21, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof co-created LOST

    by GregoryHarbin

    Leiber's idea was lame and didn't work. It was Abrams and Lindelof who together came up with the idea of the Island as a character, and a mythology. J.J. also worked with casting, and directed the pilot, so he was a huge part of making the show what it is.<p> As for the Fringe pilot, I enjoyed it. It's not as good as the LOST pilot, but it's better than many pilots. It all depends on what happens in the second episode, IMO.<p> BTW, am I the only one who noticed that the Massive Dynamics logo is a rip-off of the N64 logo?

  • June 21, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Fringe is to Lost as....

    by tangcameo

    Taken is to The 4400 (aka Put Back) Instead of a lost plane, the plane arrives but everyone on board is lost. And instead of an introverted conspiracy involving mindblowing science and a global corporation, we get an extroverted conspiracy involving mindblowing science and a very open global corporation. Instead of getting food and supplies dropped by parachute on palettes, the show's characters have to go to the supermarket for Dharma Boxed Wine and Apollo Bars.

  • June 21, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    How long until it's moved?

    by supertoyslast

    The timeslot is a great show of faith. But if it underperforms after House, won't it be moved pretty quickly? Advance schedules aren't set in stone, so it might not be on after American Idol next year.<p>Also, is this a fictional Asian tsunami? Because about 300,000 people died in the 2004 tsunami rather than 83,000 in the tsunami from the show. To use a recent real-life tragedy as a plot point in a sci-fi show seems in slightly poor taste. I hate to say it, but 'too soon'.

  • June 21, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I watched this

    by Dradis Contact

    eh I'll watch it a little longer in the interest of Lance Reddick's career.

  • June 21, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    It was average sci-fi channel stuff

    by MontyPigeon

    Third rate X-Files that didn't really need to be made. Maybe someones cup of tea but not mine. Basically the same quality as anything you watch on the sci-fi channel. Easily forgettable and doesn't really hold the viewer.

  • June 21, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    HERC - Self landing plane is possible...

    by Ninja Nerd

    Mythbusters had an episode exploring the "could a passenger land a jetliner" we've seen in Zero Hour,Airplane, etc. If the crew had time, a modern jet could probably land itself, assuming they had the autopilot configured for the destination airport. Applying the brakes is a whole other matter, so it's still a little "sci-fi".

  • June 21, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    So you can tell it already has a more coherent mythology

    by Lovecraftfan

    after just the pilot episode. Thats ridiculous. I'm going to watch the show but lets just stop the dumpin on X-Files. I think Season 1-6 are fantastic and yes a pinnacle on TV. Even if you don't agree dismissing the show as something done by some guy is retarded. It will always be an influential show.

  • June 21, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    NukeMyFridge

    by RaveX

    yeah, I was thinking of the original Night Stalker. although, I find it insulting that you may had suggested otherwise. <p> but, what are you saying? that it's OK for X-Files to resemble original Stalker, because timespan between those two was over 20 years? and there is no question about whether Carter was being "inspired" by Kolchak. he himself confirmed it on multiple occasions. <p> now, let's say for the sake of the argument that 6 years since the ending of XF is more then enough time for someone to create show about people who are investigating unusual occurrences in sci-fi setting. <p> that leaves only the fact that "they are FBI agents, just like Mulder and Scully" as the proof that fringe is riping off XF. <p> well, they're not. the girl is. guy and his father are scientists. <p> which would imply that fringe is more like 11th hour, then it is like X-Files. <p> and after all this, please don't get me wrong: I'm not J.J./fringe fanboy. I didn't even like the pilot all that much. all I'm saying is that, if you're gonna bitch about it, don't focus on the most unimportant aspect of it (being XF clone). try liking it for what it is: a show that may never reach XF heights due to much weaker cast and (probably) not as strong overall mythology; but a show that might have a very high entertaining value, at least in it's first couple of seasons (J.J. shows at least have that pretty much guaranteed). <p> and as for starting to drink again... no. never ever never ever never again. <p> well, at least not today. <p> maybe...

  • June 21, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    fuck jj abrams

    by The_Squid

    all he does is come up with intriguing shows and then ditches them to go make bad movies.

  • June 21, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Fringe is a Planetary ripoff

    by dtpena

    not an X-Files ripoff

  • June 21, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Uh oh.

    by Christopher3

  • June 21, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Start the deathwatch - Herc likes it.

    by Christopher3

  • June 21, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Disregard the TEMP music in this...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    It's not fair to judge the pilot's music, as it is standard industry practice to plug in soundtrack music from other sources in a not-for-air pilot. The pilot for LOST used portions of the Blade Runner score (as blasphemous as that sounds). But you can judge the pilot on everything else.<p><p>I'm disappointed by the Fringe pilot. However, they don't start shooting the regular series until next month. So many they recognized the problems with the pilot and will improve the regular episodes going onward. I think one aspect they must address is the conspiracy tied to the mysterious company Massive Dynamics -- they really need to do something, I don't know... DIFFERENT about this conspiracy, because based on the pilot it already feels like we're going to have to put up with the same old conspiracy crap we've put up with with several other shows (Heroes, LOST, X-Files...). I would suggest that they reveal who the mysterious CEO of the company is immediately, and not drag this plot point out... reveal the person immediately and then do something different with it, like, kill this person off, or maybe he isn't a bad guy at all but compromised by others. In other words, something DIFFERENT.

  • June 21, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    What's with the rampant X-Files hate?

    by lord_zedd

    So the final seasons sucked. So what? Buffy's last couple of seasons weren't up to par and neither were the final seasons of Alias and no one seems to slam those entire series as much as they do XF anymore. That was an iconic series that, although very clunky at times, really set the standard for most science fiction programs, let alone any show with an ongoing plot. Chris Carter was not "some dude", he was the creator of an influential cultural phenomenon. He also created Millennium, which was also a great dark show that, overlooking the obvious dated aspects, was very ahead of its time. (Though it too was bogged down with some boring filler here and there.)

  • June 21, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by lord_zedd

    Let us not forger that J.J. Abrams was "some dude" who wrote fucking Felicity before he dived into the nerdy or ever set foot into the ABC think tank of writers that threw together Lost.

  • June 21, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    forger = forget

    by lord_zedd

    curses...

  • June 21, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    don't forget Carter also created Harsh Realm

    by RaveX

    actually, by all means, please DO forget that...

  • June 21, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Re: Harsh Realm

    by lord_zedd

    Uh...yes let's do forget that. But that was a comic book adaptation that he steered, not his sole creation.

  • June 21, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I didn't like it

    by Jack Fetch

    The blonde lead is forgettable. Pacey was good at first,then became part of the background scenery. The only character I like is the old scientist. It's trying way to hard to be X-Files. The beginning on the plane will probably get toned down before it makes it to tv.

  • June 21, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Joshua Jackson, under-used in the pilot...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Actually, I wanted to see more of him in the pilot. Yet, unbelievably for an 82 minute pilot, he was under-used. (I agree with the criticism here that the pilot should be cut down to a standard one hour episode.) There are hints that Jackson could be good in this, but you can't tell for sure in the pilot. The pilot wastes way too much time setting up backstory for the female lead. (Backstory which could be more appropriately and dramatically revealed across other episodes in the first season.) Hell, I cannot even remember what her character's name is, but I can immediately name Jackson's character and his character's father: Peter and Walter Bishop.<p><p>Here's my professional advice to the producers: You might be better off skewing this series toward the same female demographic that has made House and Bones successes for FOX, and not try to win the male demographic that managed to (barely) carry Sarah Connor Chronicles to another season. Based on the testing done so far on the Fringe pilot, it isn't winning over many female viewers (they think the female lead is a dumb slut) and male viewers are giving this a take-it-or-leave-it attitude toward the potential series. I say re-focus the series as Jackson's Peter and Walter as the lead -- a father-and-son dynamic, and have the female FBI whatshername play a role similar to the part that David Boreanaz plays to Emily Deschanel on Bones.<p><p>The early signs are already pointing that the demographic that carries LOST, Heroes or Battlestar (young males) will not be there to carry Fringe.

  • June 21, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Finally, a great pilot

    by Xaximus

    I was bummed out after seeing the disappointing Life on Mars and True Blood pilots, so I'm very happy to say that I'm quite interested in what happens next in Fringe. Good cast, great CGI, and lots of intruige and promise.

  • June 21, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    despite my dislike for abrams lately

    by The_Squid

    i will check this out, at least for Lance Reddick.

  • June 21, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I love the x-files...

    by nukethefridge

    ...except the movie..I always fall asleep during it.

  • June 21, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    everybody rips off X-Fies

    by zooch

    The show was on for 9 seasons. It was the longest running sci-fi show of all time. It changed TV sci-fi forever.

  • June 21, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    hope BBC2 or sky one gets this...

    by Deak the Geek

    if it's half as good as LOST...then it will be worth watching!

  • June 21, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    where do you see this pilot?

    by BurgerKing

    I WANT TO SEE IT

  • June 21, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Lame. got cancelled written all over it

    by quintana007

    because not everyone is 13 and jumps for cheap gore, lame secrets and sripping chicks. grow up

  • June 21, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Pilot was "leaked"

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I saw it through my job, as I will assume Herc did so, as well. However, the pilot screener was "leaked" and is being readily bittorrented. (I put "leaked" in quotes, because so-called leaks like this smell of an unsanctioned attempt by the producers to drum up buzz for the show. Sometimes this works -- pilot-leaking certainly helped Sarah Connor, LOST and Heroes, but sometimes it doesn't appear to have any positive effect.) Let me put it this way: The fact that this pilot is readily available on the Internet and legitimately within the industry (to broadcast ad research firms and brokers) already says to me that FOX feels the need to hype this show up early. In comparison, the pilot of 11th Hour is locked down by CBS, and I don't expect FOX to "leak" the Dollhouse pilot anytime soon.

  • June 21, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Loved it

    by aversiontherapy2

    I don't get the negative comments but that's how it goes.

  • June 21, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    as far as I remember

    by punto

    most planes do have an "autoland" feature.. there's still a acouple of nobs that a human operator has to adjust, but the system will do everything on its own (they showed one on that 'Mythbusters' episode where they attemt to land the plane while getting instructions from the control tower)

  • June 21, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    BurgerKing:

    by GregoryHarbin

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)<p> mininova.org<p> Learn it. Love it.

  • June 21, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I love the X-Files

    by hank henshaw

    But Duchovny was downright unwatchable after the 6th season. The only way he could've been worse, was if he had the script in his hands during filming, and shrugged to the camera after reading each line of dialogue. Saying he phoned-in his performance during his guest-starring episodes in seasons 8 and 9, would be an understatement. I hope he has a better attitude in the next movie.

  • June 22, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Sigh

    by rockness

    I wanted to like this but it's just like every other mediocre show. Why can only a select few individuals write characters that seem like actual people?

  • June 22, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    saw it, good stuff, bit of a 4400 vibe also..

    by couP

  • June 22, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Felicity??

    by Lance4431

    I thought I'd throw some love to Felicity...I looooove me some Keri Russell

  • June 22, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Appraisal

    by Cobbio

    Like other lucky bastards on this thread have done, I've appraised "Fringe" and seen it's full of tasty goodness.<p> Oh wait...<p> That was my "Fridge." Ahem...<p> Sorry.

  • “When an international flight lands at Boston's Logan Airport and the passengers and crew have all died grisly deaths ... " <p> Not exactly the same thing but Umberto Lenzi's "Nightmare City" has a plane land and blood drinking radiation contaminated zombies leap out and destroy the city and the rest of Spain ... I mean the US (eventually I guess). This was back in 1980.

  • June 22, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Liked it better than True Blood but...

    by ComputerGuy68

    it feels like a X-Files retread. Part Threshold, part Alias too. Could be good, could be bad, we'll see after a few episodes.

  • June 22, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Saw the pilot last week

    by total eclipse

    There is very little I agree with you on. First off, I'm not an Abrams fan, I pretty much despise everything else this guy has ever done. I was willing to give this thing a shot. In a nutshell: it's yet another X-Files wannabe, with less than convincing plot (surrrrre, the lab is still functional after all these years), less than convincing emoting between characters and wooden acting, just to mention a few of its flaws. I sat through an hour and 20 min of it just to go "meh" when it was all over. Nothing to write home about, and if audiences are a tad more intelligent than I usually give them credit for, they'll tune out within a couple of weeks.

  • June 22, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    The problem with the x-files...

    by nukethefridge

    ...is season seven. Its awful. Season eight is great, The stand alone episodes are up there with the best but they all get lumped in together as the last three seasons,when really only season seven was poor. Really poor. Really really really poor.

  • June 22, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Herc & Cancelled Shows

    by kesoze4

    It's inappropriate logic to say that since Herc likes a show, it will be cancelled. Problem is that in his good taste, Herc often allows himself to watch more obscure shows than most do, and therefore ends up finding great stuff that the networks don't allow to keep going because the ignorant masses don't give them a shot. What would be a more relevant criticism of the dude is to say "What great shows are out there that Herc *hates*?". Not many. Though I still say Terminator:TSCC is total garbage and not worthy of a single talkback. Leave a Terminator offline but alive right next to a giant hydraulic door indeed.

  • June 22, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by kesoze4

    ...the Fringe pilot was massively entertaining, if only for the backside of the Q.

  • June 23, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Why the pilot was good but not great.

    by Executor

    For me at least. My fav shows are shows like Lost, the Wire, BSG...and I agree with Herc that Alias was one of the best pilots in recent years. <p> But Fringe doesn't seem to be setting up a big story as much as it is setting up a contrived jumping off point for a fringe-of-the-week story (yes, with a Big Bad in there...but it doesn't seem like that's where the main focus is). <p>There are a lot of contrivances...such as why the FBI is going to let her team up with this father and son...and why nobody at Harvard cleared out this guy's lab in 17 years (wtf?!?!?!). <p> The more interesting aspects of the plot -- such as Lance Reddick as a possible bad guy ("why did he send you there?") or even more on the threat of the main bad guy of the ep -- is jettisoned in favor of long drawn out intros and exposition. Your boyfriend is turning to jelly. Show some fucking initiative and outrage when Blair Brown stonewalls you. You're an FBI agent, "sweetheart". Grow a pair.<p> Overall, it was interesting but it needs to step it up and have a game changer or big reveal in the first few episodes or else it will just turn into a sci-fi of the week show. Which has been done.

  • June 23, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    I'll give it a go

    by ScaryJim

    X files was great till about season 5. Seriously though, someone put SUPERNATURAL in the same category as Lost, X files and Twin Peaks ?? Supernatural is a show for tweenage girls. It barely has a story arc (and what it does have is dull) and the whole discovery of whatever supernatural baddie force is about is ridiculous- they just go on the internet and go 'Oh.. it's a succubuss' or 'Ohhh it's a soul sucker'or whatever. In supernatural land female victims of the supernatural are HOT. Demons are HOT. Every female is HOT. Christ, no one looks real on that show!

  • June 23, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Fringe

    by Frontman242

    Seen it and its good...little different than the X-Files.. A lot of new shows this fall season has hit the internet already..."True Blood" on HBO this Sept. I think SUCKS...

  • June 23, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Seen it

    by SUPERJIM

    A bit meh to be honest. But more Sci-fi shows is a good thing, perhaps they can make it good. Heres hoping.

  • June 23, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    You'd have more validity on this, Herc...

    by Theta

    If you didn't wax so enthusiastically about the female lead being stripped. Anyway, I won't beat it with the X-Files stick, tempting though doing such a thing is. I will say though that I'm not going to sit through the pilot. It sounds like it's a big wad of exposition. I'll see the second episode; if they continue to jerk off about their mythology, I can safely not tune in again.

  • June 23, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Lindelof and Cuse are responsible for LOST...

    by sapno_krei

    When Abrams was making MI:III, an interviewer asked him about LOST (on which he is exec. producer), and he referred to the team at LOST as "those guys over there" (paraphrased), which pretty much indicated to me that he has little to do with the day-to-day or even the ongoing story on the show.

  • June 23, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    PLANT!

    by Project424

    Ha! The “Fringe” pilot strips its hot blonde FBI girl down to her underwear just before it sticks a cold metal rod in her brain and drops her in a tank full of saltwater. So yes. The pilot also suggests the “Fringe” series will offer more interesting characters and a more persuasive and coherent mythology than did Fox’s earlier sci-fi FBI series. The production values, stunts and special effects are eye-popping and even its superimpositions (showy, floaty text that tells us whether we’re in Boston or Baghdad) are supercool.

  • June 23, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Meh.

    by Christopher3

    It's just OK. This show is going to have a really hard time coming up with original freak of the week/weird science ideas in the wake of X-Files, Buffy, Star Trek, Eureka et al. They've taken all of the low hanging fruit.

  • June 23, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Alias was a great show that lost its way after a while.

    by minderbinder

    Lost was an amazing show, I'll bet it turns out to be one of the all time greats. Alias had tons of great stuff in it, but there's no question they didn't have enough planned out, and they made some big mistakes that hampered the show long term. With LOST, it's obvious that things were learned from Alias's mistakes. Lost still has some problems, but the show is amazingly coherent and solid, compared with Alias and frankly compared with just about anything that ambitious and involved. Fringe is the next generation, they can learn from the mistakes made by Lost. And for the record, while JJA didn't "create" the show, he took someone else's idea that was pretty vanilla, and along with Lindelof and some other guys, added all the cool stuff that made it so unique (and successful). Sure, it's a pretty obvious descendant of X Files, but I'm OK with that, it can probably improve on that show. JJA has had some turkeys like What About Brian, but with Alias, Lost, Cloverfield, and even MI3 and Felicity under his belt, I'm willing to give the guy a chance. Seriously, it's not like AICN is fawning over some hack, this is a guy with some serious quality material on his resume.

  • June 23, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    "It became pretty difficult to remember when Lost was on."

    by minderbinder

    Is your attention span really that bad? The first three seasons, it was in the same timeslot all season. The fourth, it had two different nights/seasons. Is that really so hard to figure out? And to NukeMyFridge "just some dude" comment is about BEFORE Carter started the X files - and that's exactly what he was at that point.

  • June 23, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    The Cell & X-Files

    by Kampbell-Kid

    Was the vibe I got from the pilot. It hooked me enough to want to see more, but my only concern is can they keep it fresh.

  • June 25, 2008, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by dj_bollocks

    Seen it all before really - didn't leave me bursting for more... and for best Pilot to make you go 'Holy Fuck' the award goes to The Shield !

  • June 25, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Sorry but this wasnt very good *SPOILERS*

    by catlettuce4

    Acting from the blonde was shite. The story was average @ best & so full of stupid plot holes, twists you could see from a mile off... You spend an hour with her annoying character trying to save her lover (that we as viewers dont give a shit about as there has been fuck all set up)for her to then go & effectively kill him in a car chase?? WTF? More to the point: Who cares!! It just didnt work at all. However the premise has potential, you just gotta get some better writers on to it & adjust some of the cast...

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