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INGLORIOUS BASTARDS to be 2 separate films!!!
Hey folks, Harry here - Some days when I open up my mail, I literally feel like the luckiest son of a bitch to draw a breath. In the last couple of weeks - Quentin Tarantino sat down with Enzo Castellari to do an interview with Enzo regarding his awesome exploitation Men on a Mission film... INGLORIOUS BASTARDS... yes, the same title as the film that Tarantino is apparently set to be making soon.
Now - there's been some movement on this project at long last. Quentin has been writing on it for over 6 years. And it was always about to be his next film. We've heard casting from Arnold, Sly & Bruce to Tim Roth, Sam Jackson, John Travolta and on and on and on... We've had interviews from those personalities talking about talking about talking with Quentin about the movie... but what's the real story?
Well at Cannes - Quentin began talking a bit about how he was set to start shooting. And yet - when? Where? What?
It seems years ago at Venice - Quentin sat Enzo Castellari down and discussed INGLORIOUS BASTARDS with him. And watched Enzo's film for the first time on the big screen. He'd seen it a few times as a younger man on Channel 5 - a mythical magical station that apparently ruled the known universe. I never had Channel 5. I had parents with friends with tons of 16mm film prints. I'm not complaning.
This interview is meant for Severin Films' DVD release of Enzo Castellari's INGLORIOUS BASTARDS and was conducted in Quentin's home in Los Angeles, where he was hosting Enzo during his stay in Los Angeles.
The first big thing we learn is that Quentin has been writing almost non-stop on INGLORIOUS BASTARDS - and that the premise is the basic jumping off point from Enzo's original - that you had a bunch of hardened criminals on a military transport during World War II - that got ambushed by the Nazis. Everyone but the criminals gets killed and the prisoners decide to make their way to neutral Switzerland - and must fight the Nazis and the Allies to get there. It's a true No Man's Land scenario.
Well, as Quentin has been writing this - he's done so much research into the actual events of World War II as well as the cinema of World War 2 - that the story kept growing and growing. It became too big for one film - so he's turned it into 2. That's right, INGLORIOUS BASTARDS will be two movies... not unlike KILL BILL.
So that's the big news that I found from the interview.
In addition - the casting we've all heard for all these years... wasn't casting, but conversations that Quentin has had, that have grown to mythic levels. For the first time, Quentin has decided not to write for the voice of actors he's decided to cast in advance. He felt that one can do that, but then they're limiting what they feel an actor can do with the part. He's decided to write the characters with no specific actor in mind. To allow the character to be everything that character can be and to actually find an actor to become that character. What a novel notion.
The opening sequence of Quentin's film is apparently going to be something extraordinary - as Enzo Castellari was geeking out big time just thinking about what Quentin had told him. Classic.
Also - during the interview - as Quentin began talking about Enzo's use of Slow Motion - Enzo's enthusiasm for the technique all but convinced Quentin to stage what he has called a sequence in his film - as an epic slow motion scene - but he was still debating it.
This is a great interview between these two - Quentin and Enzo talking about Fred Williamson is simply classic. The interview is nearly 40 minutes and very entertaining. It'll also be a great preview of where Quentin is beginning with his next project. The dvd comes out July 29th in a special 3 DVD edition. The film is a jewel. Really something special. You can pre-order it below:
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I'll believe it when the film is actually shooting, and not a second before. Is Quentin going to act in this??
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roth yes. travolta no.
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wow! in cooio
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after seeing Death Proof.
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Danny Glover's Dickblood made it out tonight. Somebody needed to needlessly bitch and moan, or it wouldn't be AICN.
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Just make it a three hour movie. Kill Bill was good but didn't need to be two seperate movies. The editing could have been tighter.
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Get it all out of your system now 'cause you know QT will blow this shit out of the water. Watch Kill Bill 2 again right now and tell me it's not the shit.
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Oh wait! It didn't!
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Quentin's got to get over his own "genius" and make one or two decent movies. He's turning into a Shymalaniac. If it was his money being put up for the flick, he'd get it down to 90 minutes fer shure.
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I agree that the 1st Kill Bill had some missteps, tha anime scene mostly, but the emotional depth in 2 was unexpected and real. Madsen and Carradine killed it and it had the most brutal cat fight ever.
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Making it two movies is the shittiest idea since splitting Kill Bill.
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Kill Bill 1 & 2, The Hobbit 1 & 2, Inglorious Bastards 1 & 2... guess trilogies will be a thing of the past
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So much Quentin bashing. Why? His movies are amazing. He's his own worst enemy, too big of a geek. But I'm sure when this film gets made and released (5 years from now), it'll be one of the best WW2 movies ever. And Skullfuck, every director has made more than their fair share of bad films.
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or Spike will bring da smack down...true dat. Inglorious Blacksters!
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M Night makes slow ponderous pieces of shit, QT has energy even in his worst films. The Auto-Homicide scene in Death Proof was worth the price of admission. M Night has an all-powerful glass of water!!!!!!!
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to hate on Tarantino. When I was in film school that was all anybody could talk about was how over-rated Tarantino was - from professors to students. I was baffled and still am. "Oh he's so full of himself and such a publicity whore and blah blah blah." It all comes down to his films. For my money, he hasn't made a mis-step yet. He and Paul Thomas Anderson are still the boys to watch of their generation. And if anything, why wouldn't you be excited by a big, crazy violent men on a mission movie?
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Jun 19, 2008 5:35:37 PM CDT
So when do we get that big Kill Bill The Whole Bloody Affair cut
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I'm still waiting for that DVD after a certain New Line exec boasted they'd be double dipping the fans on Kill Bill for years... I guess too many people waited like me and now they've decided there's no demand for Kill Bill DVDs...
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Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown - now they were cool films with some originality. Quentin has let the geek factor dominate his recent movies. Pity.
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Totally Agree. People dis Quentin because they are jealous of his talent. A nobody punk-geek who has no formal industry training who winds up winning the most coveted prized in film, the Palme d'Or. Those who can't do, teach, or bitch on talkbacks.
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as "Deadly Mission", I found the tape for sale for a buck at Hollywood Video. It's a fun ass WW2 movie, but I just wish it was bigger and longer. Maybe Tarantino felt that way too, so he's makin two movies out of it.
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Is this movie going to be filled with references to a thousand movies that filmgeeks will pretend to have seen twenty years ago?
QT really needs to create a tv show. That's the appropriate medium for a writer that continues to add storylines, characters, and dramatic confrontations. I really hope this story's plot justifies a 4+ hour runtime. I'm not certain that Kill Bill did... -
Anybody that hates on Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction doesn't have the first fucking clue about great filmmaking. Just ignore the poor deluded fools.
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I'm not sure middle American Christian housewives are gonna want their kids seeing "BASTARDS" on a poster at their local Wal*Mart/McDonalds/multiplex/superchurch. I suggest going with "Inglorious Bad Men."
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then I'll be ecstatic, this could be a great project. But if we get the horrifically self-indulgent Tarantino of this decade, then I'll pass.When I watched "Death Proof" I looked over and Kurt Russell was not laughing pretty hard during the degrading ending.By the way, how is he going to put endless shots of womens feet in a WWII film?
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Splitting this over two films is a bad idea because NO WW2 film ever did that. I love that QT wants to make a movie in the vein of Kelly's Heroes, Play Dirty and The Dirty Dozen, but for gods sake he needs to stop masturbating his own ego.
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QT badly needs to get himself a producer and editor who are prepared to be brutal with him. Another stretching out of a story into two films that will no doubt be massively unfulfilling. Kill Bill would've been a great 2 hr revenge flick - ended up as 3.5 hrs of self-indulgent bullshit.
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Someone already asked and you are dodging the question. So I will ask: What do you consider a good action film?
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because you hate a couple of his movies then you are a hater. Loved Pulp Fiction. Thought Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown were good. Didn't think Kill Bill had to be two seperate movies. Thougth Death Proof was bad. The only redeeming thing was Kurt Russell.
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I know you think it's cool to hate on QT because he's popular and you prefer to be fans of lesser known directors (until they make it big than you start to hate them) but QT does have talent. Sure Death Proof was a misstep, but I'm sure this film will be good if he's put as much time into it as the article says. But go ahead and keep praising the works of obscure filmmakers and listening to Devo while acting condescending to others, I'll be in the theater when this comes out
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Because he's squandered his once amazing career. KILL BILL could have been one great 2 hour movie but God forbid he edit his shit down. DEATH PROOF sucked. How many more scenes is he going to write about people sitting around and talking about movies and music? ZZZZ! If the guy did anything with his life other than take X and get hair plugs he might have been able to make an original movie as opposed to all these tributes to movie genres.
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Seriously, edit yourself. Four hours leaves too much mediocre wanking in. Pack all the best stuff into two tight hours of awesome!
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Originally this post was eighteen sentences long (including title). Look. I cut it down to five. Good for me.
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That's right, I'm a lame-ass fan. I thought DEATH PROOF was good (better than PLANET TERROR). I know I'm in the minority, but I think comparing him to M. Night is stupid. I mean come on--M. Night has one (maybe two) good flicks. QT won an oscar. Period. M. Night is a joke, a footnote that film history will forget. QT has (like it or not) changed the way film is made.
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Quentin is great, he really is, but like all artists he's too in love with his work to objectively see when he's gone six steps too far. Sometimes an artist needs someone there to tell them "No" and force them to compromise, if for no other reason than to keep them from being lazy.
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I thought you said you were on your way? So please do us all a favor and leave. People who get so bent out of shape over an opinion need to simply be hit by a bus die. Please stop wasting our air. We are all movie fans, no need to get so angry. Now I'm sure you'll post again to tell me to fuck off.
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he did a few fucking amazing films in the early to mid 90s but nothing really good since then. That is not QT "hate"...i love the guy who made Res. Dogs and Pulp Fiction (and wrote True Romance), but gotta keeep it real and he is old and tired and doens't have much interesting to say at this point.
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This film is going to have to live up to years of anticipation
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Just? it just lost credibility? Where the fuck have you been for the last 2 years?
Also in answer to your earlier question: Kill Bill 2 is crap because.... it's lame as fuck, the mystique and character interest we had in KB1 is blown with the cheesy tacky film noir wannabe intro, Bud, by far the most interesting out of the vipers is wasted utterly, as is Daryl hannah in the crappest wankfest to schlock fight ever, and as to your "well filmed action sequences that actually DIDNT GO CGI OVERKILL" which ones?
The one where madsen shoots her in a doorway?
The one where Uma and Daryl Hannah fight in a caravan so cluttered and badly filmed you can barely see what happens, until the eye-gouge?
The one where she kills bill with a few spastic hand movements while they are both sitting down?
or was it the utterly retarded Pei Mei sequence where a grown man manages to stand on the end of someones sword? I'm sorry but that was the moment QT mixed the genres too far, why not throw in some zombies and Zeus throwing lightning bolts at someone?
Then just to add insult to injury the retarded I'm pregnant, lets be nice assassins to each other moment that read like an episode of Charmed? Sorry but Kill Bill 2 was a pile of shit compared to Kill Bill 1. -
I'll watch a million mediocre QT movies over one good mainstream film any day of the week...
bring it...
How do people have time to bitch anyway when they should be watching The Professionals on Blu Ray and get some Burt Lancaster and Lee Marvin testosterone overload... -
...Have no clue what they're talking about. People calling QT a washed up hack? For what? The Kill Bill series was his highest grossing film(s) to date.
Just what the hell are people basing this off of? Their personal dis-like for the man? Because that's what it sounds like.
If you didn't like Death Proof that's fine. But, you're calling him a hack after one bad movie then you should stop watching movies (I personally Loved Death Proof).
Oh, by the way, DannyGlovers_Dickblood...please, please stop talking. The only reason you're talking so much shit is because you've seen interviews with QT and have decided that you don't like his personality and therefore must crusade and tirade against everything about his. Again, stop talking. Always. -
he knows how oto make good entertaining films just like the old days
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...please get completely fucking over yourself. Yours sincerely, The Cinema-Going Public
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So I guess it, too, will suck.
You people are nuts if you think QT has it in him to make a kick-ass WWII movie. Look, I loved Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown, but the guy's a one-trick pony.
Watching Kill Bill was the equivalent of sitting down and letting QT spooge all over your face. If that floats your boat, fine, but don't pretend there's some meaningful relationship and tender lovemaking going on there between the viewer and QT.
I can appreciate the martial arts, the snap-zooms, and homages just like everyone else but Kill Bill is still shit.
Same goes for Death Proof. Kurt Russell is awesome and the shocking vehicular homicide was stunningly shot, and the ending is hilarious, but it's still a highly shitty movie.
This crap about QT deciding to write characters for the actors to inhabit is nothing new. Seriously, look at the dialogue in Death Proof. Every single character is interchangeable. Every single character sounds like QT. It's the same patter full of pop cultural references and nods to obscure vintage music. It wouldn't surprise me if QT simply records conversations he has with his buds and then just transcribes the shit into his scripts.
There are tons of worse directors and movies out there, but QT's are particularly disappointing because of his obvious talent. The guy is, unfortunately, all surface and no substance.
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I figured since this word was use 398 times already I'd see how good it felt to write it, really good, I feel indulged, like a bath in Danny Glover's Dick Blood's Dick Blood, ohhhh, its warm and delicious, luxriant even!!!!!!!!
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ALso Limpl0uie people are calling QT a hack becasue we are looking objectively at his works as a whole and have noticed that he really doesn't have very many tricks up his sleeve. Cute dialogue, references to the 70s, and homages to other genres, a nice eye for an interesting shot. That's about it.
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"For the first time, Quentin has decided not to write for the voice of actors he's decided to cast in advance." So, Reservoir Dog was written for the existing cast? True Romance couldn't have gone another way? Are you kidding?! Let's get this straight - years to write a screenplay in QT's case means 'years of living off a reputation'. Fuck all script work, even less to DVD releases, and now we get whatever tedious, over-long first draft he cobbles together. TWO films? What a great result that has produced thus far. Quentin, you may have made some great movies, but now, seriously, nobody gives a shit. Oh, and stop trying to take credit for the 'publicity' you created for Casino Royale's success. You can't even generate publicity for your own damn films these days.
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...that's just what the world needs. Did the man learn nothing from the execrable Death Proof, or the painfully drawn out Kill Bill for that matter. Tarantino's self indulgent ego is now so out of control that it's writing cheques his writing just can't cash.
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Jun 19, 2008 6:17:13 PM CDT
I'll reserve judgment, in the meantime, what about Kill Bill - C
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Any hint of this becoming a reality and getting a complete version of Kill Bill as a single feature? And how about a REALLY good DVD package with lots of juicy behind the scenes extras that you KNOW are out there?!
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I've seen about 3 fanedits of Kill bill, and the whole lot as a wonner doesn't make it much better, just longer. the only version that was interesting was a chronological edit I saw once. I think its on Fanedit.org but I could be wrong
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Casino
The Fountain
Hudsucker Proxy
The Prestige
Once Upon a Time in Mexico
Magnolia
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That is the real question Harry???
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Tarantino could have gone down in history as one of the great directors if he had a work ethic and some self control. Instead he will go down as an honorable mention. I am sure this will be pretty good, the way Kill Bill was, but like Kill Bill I'll come out thinking it should have been just one film
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I thought Inglorious Bastards was Quentin's sole idea. I didn't even know this film existed. Even if he uses it as a jumping off point, it's a remake or based on another's premise. So you're telling me all these years he's been teasing us with a remake/reboot? I feel duped a bit here.
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are the tarantino hates the same people as the kevin smith haters? I think so.
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in genre movies is uncool. Everything made before that is cool. If you are looking forward to something that has yet to be made, you are uncool. If your favorite films are all twenty years old, you are very cool.Here ends the lesson on coolness.
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if he sets it in Japan instead you could have one guy survive a h-bomb in a fridge
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...hyperstylized action set to a blaring non-stop soundtrack from the 1970's. And all the main characters are either going to go into 5 minute soliloquies or, they're going to have that quick-shot back and forth bantering about drugs, pop-culture, and sex. As someone mentioned earlier, Tarantino has become his own worst enemy.
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..."Quentin Tarantino Presents" actually meant something good?
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That's so cool!
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Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are damn fine movies. I definitely don't think they're the classics a lot of people do but I love them. Kill Bill could've easily been a two hour movie and would've been much better. (Machine Girl anyone? It's like 95 minutes and just as good.) Death Proof was a total failure in my eyes.
He totally needs an editor and someone besides the Weinsteins to produce his films. He needs someone to slap him in the face and say "no you can't do that buddy". I think he needs some structure instead of having total artistic freedom. Shorter cuts are better! Concise! -
One second you say all of his character dialogue in interchangeable and the next you say he must record the conversations he has with his buds and transcribe it into his scripts! Are you an idiot? If his dialogue sounds like it is friends sitting around talking to each other- that means it's natural. It sounds like a real goddamn conversation.
Have any of you half-wits even seen Death Proof anyways? That movie fucking rocks and it is exactly what he intended from the start, which is what you should base an opinion on, not what You arbitrarily decided to expect from a Tarantino flick based on internet speculation.
AND WHAT THE HELL IS INDULGENT FILMMAKING BESIDES A PHRASE? He makes movies he fucking likes. Hello? You talkbackers are clowns.
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seriously is there a dumber fucking asshole that posts on this site??? seriously sir go masturbate until your dick turns raw to whatever shitty movies it is that your dumb ass fucking brain considers to be good, but stop fucking waisting our time with your dumb fucking meaningless posts.
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Wow, another two movies from QT. This is great news!! Quentin's one of my favorite directors -- Death Proof was a blast! I still have fond memories of watching Kill Bill Vol. 1 at the dollar theater and then Vol. 2 immediately afterwards at AMC, just the way QT wanted. The dollar show was real grimy too - you can feel the dried up soda syrup through the soles of your shoe, QT would love it - perfect for the film actually. I can't wait; Inglorious Bastards is gonna rock!! Gee, I hope my subject title didn't give people the wrong idea...
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I thought Reservoir Dogs was good (maybe not quite as good as some said) Pulp Fiction was a once-in-a-lifetime movie and Jackie Brown was the work of a mature filmmaker. However, I feel that since Jackie Brown's (relatively) poor reception that Quentin has retreated into fandom. Kill Bill (both parts) was good but there was no reason it couldn't have been one movie. Death Proof was just plain lame.
What bothers me is that this is *planned* as two movies, which seems like a ripoff. (yeah, yeah, LOTR, But that was a huge gamble, and Jackson would freely admit that he was pretty lucky that it wwas a hit.
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Reservoir, Pulp, Jackie? All good in different ways, albeit all variations on a well-trodden genre. Kill 1 & 2 and Proof? A lot of style, but so little substance. He needs to buck that trend. Here's hoping he embraces narrative quality over kitsch fetishism.
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Jun 19, 2008 6:46:20 PM CDT
is adam sandler or eddie murphy still going to be in this?
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moniker is no more. I'd like to start my new life on AICN's talkbacks as The InSneider by saying that this announcement is the very definition of cool news!
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"I agree, his films are very "self-indulgent". You know who else makes self-indulgent films? David Fincher. Chris Nolan. Paul T. Anderson. Darren Aronofsky. Joel and Ethan Coen. They all have a very trademark style, which is why they are the best."
All the people you mention have shown in their movies evidence that they have a life other thatn making movies. The contrast between There Will Be Blood and Death Proof. One was feverish, ham-handed and yes, a little self-indulgent, but featured real adults as characters. The other was just a mess with stunted adolescents playing dressup and rattling the titles of other movies. -
rips it off like all his other movies.
I remember he claimed once he was the first person to use Black suits and Sunglasses. ...and they say M. Night has an ego. -
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One second you say all of his character dialogue in interchangeable and the next you say he must record the conversations he has with his buds and transcribe it into his scripts! Are you an idiot?"
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...I think you might be the idiot. I obviously didn't imply that he transcribed every single word in a conversation. If anything, he only transcribes his own monologues to which the other characters sit and listen to, perhaps offering a comment or two, but never truly interrupting the verbal torrent. Then another character gets to have a QT monologue, etc.
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DOGS works because it's tight (and a Mamet rip-off, amongst the other things it steals from), PULP just plain works, JACKIE BROWN is derivative, but controlled (and has two great performances from Robert Forster and Pam Grier), KILL BILL is a great movie trapped inside two flabby ones, his half of GRINDHOUSE is a TV short expanded, and nothing more. I agree with the TBer who said TRUE ROMANCE is the best thing he's been involved with - that is almost perfect in its own terms. QT needs a collaborator. He needs a Roger Avery or someone, because on his own he's a self-indulgent fuck with too many good ideas and not enough sense to tell them from the bad ideas he has sometimes. I'll watch his movies, because even the duff ones are interesting, but the good ones are good because people worked to make them good, not because QT turned up and they automatically became so.
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"Quality films in the 1990s are considered "cool". Quality films in the 2000s are considered "lame" and "pretentious". It's a good thing that "Pulp Fiction", "Se7en", and "Fargo" came out in the 1990s, or else you guys would be tearing them to shreds too. After all, any filmmaker who tries to something remotely unique post-1999 is obviously an "egotistical hack". "
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I think he has talent but I am kind of getting tired of all the homages to other movies. He has it in him to make some seriously good films but just like Robert Rodriguez, he needs an editor and a producer that isn't a "yes" man. He also needs to realize that all of those films he loves so dearly are not split into two films and full of pretentious chat about culture and whatnot. The premise sounds fun, I hope he can pull it off.
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for someone who proclaims his love for quota quickies and exploitation cinema, he's a lazy cunt.
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Quentin is way too much in love with his own words. "Death Proof" was so boring until the car chase began. And Kill Bill in 2 films...really? It was so not necessary. I still never revisited the second one after seeing it in the theatre. This guy needs to learn that people don't want to spend all day listening to people pontiificate about their BS. Just make a great lean 2 hour film. I have no desire to watch a 4 hour B movie. The point to these films that he likes to emulate is the fact that they were so short. QT you should try making a leaner tighter film sometime.
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So exciting.
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Not every notion from a director is utter and complete brilliance. Look at Apolcalypse Now. Can anyone truthfully say with a straight face that they prefer the Redux?
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"thats some borderline Scorcese shit."
Well, it was also (more than borderline) Elmore Leonard shit. Quentin has never been much of a reader, but he really needs to consider adapting other people's works. (It really helped PT Anderson) What made Jackie Brown good was the fact that it was about mature human beings. But I think he got scared when it didn't do as well as Pulp Fiction and regressed. -
Which Quentin should have learned from because the second film sucked greasy balls.
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If Kill Bill is ever gonna be released edited as one film with a buttload of extras? That's the Tarantino movie I wanna see. I got four hours to spare.
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I was not being serious in the above "lesson on coolness". It was intended as a subtle calling out of DGDB.Anyway, in case he comes back I'll make the points I'd intended to make in response to his rising to the bait.Since he's started filibustering every thread on this site (last three months) he has had strong opinions on every topic. His most recent passion was that "Indy 4 was going to kick our asses".Given that fact, I don't think he should be going so far out on limbs with regard to upcoming projects.
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In 80's SoCal before everyone owned a VCR, "the mythical" channel 5 was where I watched stuff like Duel, The Car, The Visitor, Laserblast, The Little Rascals, Popeye cartoons, the Pippi Longstocking movies (Family Film Festival), The Three Stooges......then it became corporate turning into the WB in the 90's and now the CW.
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... it's that he's giving in to his most annoying tendencies. There is no reason that he can't do this in one movie.
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Gonna be awesome
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"My point was, why is QT making Death Proof equated to him being a crappy hack one-trick pony lousy ouerrate and talentless filmmaker, but the Coen Bros. making lackluster movies like Intolerable Cruelty and Ladykillers are just minor "misfires" from talented directors? "
Because the Coens came back with one of their best, and because they are making movies at a phenomenal rate. QT, otoh, squeezes out movies at a snail's pace (no, I don't consider doing one long movie and cutting it into two prolific), which means that each one has bigger import on his career. -
I hate this shit-
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He used to be able to do that. At least it'll be better than "Death Proof." Maybe.
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Not that you would notice from his movies, because his style is nothing like Kubrick's. Rather, he claims to admire Kubrick for doing so few movies but doing them right. Well, Billy Wilder squeezed out a ton of movies and most of them were pretty damn good. The idea that you need tons of time between projects is bogus. QT's just lazy.
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...maybe he will see Harry in there eating corn.
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would be awesome to see that guy finally be put to some good use
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Whooooooooo nelly! I never knew there was so much QT hate.I sort of enjoyed both Kill Bills and while a lot of Death Proof put me to sleep, I think Kurt Russell put in an Oscar worthy performance. I mean, c'mon, Stuntman Mike is one of the greatest characters of all time and even if that has everything to do with Kurt and nothing to do with Tarantino, I'm still glad we got the movie so we could savor that performance.And then when Death Proof was over Planet Terror came on and that woke me up with it's preposterous mayhem and Rose McGowan's ass and Jeff Fahey's delicious performance.QT is an egotistical prick but at least he has managed to entertain me on a few occasions which is more than I can say for M. Twilight.
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I think the difference is that PTA never sought out being "cool." Hard Eight (aka Sydney) was as unlike any of the other post-QT indie movies as possible. Boogie Nights had some vaguely QT-esque moments, but only because it shared some of the same territory.
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I'm surely not the only person the felt Kill Bill was pushing it being split into two films and that a tighter shorter film wouldn't have worked just as well. Death Proof was borderline shit, saved only by the second half..another tedious gab-fest will kill Tarantino's reputation off.
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Used to play The Three Stooges on the weekend back in the day. Man I miss that.
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It almost makes me want to see it again - almost. The trouble was that I found the second crew of women just as annoying as the first. I didn't believe for a second, for example, that they had really seen the movies they were talking about... it was like they were literally QT's puppets.
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I think 2 movies is a great idea
by Ashok0 Jun 19th, 2008
07:35:48 PM
IB seriously looks to be THE Star Wars or the LOTR of the 2010s. Imo, the more, the merrier. "
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Jun 19, 2008 7:41:07 PM CDT
Also, PTA is much better at discovering/getting career performan
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He pretty much discovered John C. Reilly and Philip Seymour Hoffman, resurrected Philip Baker Hall's career, and got career bests out of Heather Graham and Mark Wahlberg.
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I'm relieved to hear some form of verification of what I've long suspected: the insane, ludicrous internet casting rumors of Schwarzenegger and Stallone being in Bastards are just the wishful thinking of clueless morons!!
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I have enjoyed all of Quentin's work to date. I have them all on DVD, and I watch all of them once in a while. I thought the idea behind Kill Bill as 2 movies was interesting, and Grindhouse was cool in it's own way as a double feature. But Quentin, you've been working on this for years, an you don't think you can construct the Baddest-Assed 3 hr complete movie?
This worries me a bit this time. It does seem self indulgent. You were hearalded as the savior of indie cinema in the 90s because of your ability to cut through the BS and present something original. Seems the BS is seeping into this project and no one is going to tell you No. Do not take that cue from Lucas!
Keep it concise... 3 hrs is a long freakin movie, but I'd much rather see a tight 3 hr kick ass WW2 flick than have it take the length of WW2 to see the whole freakin' thing.
...don't know why I'm bitching, I'll take it any way I can. But please, reconsider. Give the audience what they really want - a stand alone ball crusher. I know you're reading this, man. Jager Shots?? -
I'm so amazed someone brought that up. Now it sucks balls but man I remember when they played kick ass movies.
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Sam Jackson
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One psuedo-intellectual calls Tarantino's films "self-indulgent" and all of a sudden it's like the grand canyon in here; full of echoes, and just as hollow. You want a self-indulgent director? Watch "Mulholland Drive." David Lynch doesn't care whether anyone in the audience has half a clue what's going on, yet his movies are sacred cows. Robert Rodriguez allowed his fucking kid to write the idea for Shark Boy and Lava Girl, . . .his fucking kid. And George Lucas and Steven Spielberg resisted every blatant inkling that they just couldn't recapture the magic to drag the corpse of Indiana Jones out of the dirt for another movie. Now that's self-indulgent. Quentin Tarantino makes movies that, *gasp* dare to have a sense of style, and all of a sudden, he's "self-indulgent." Plato was right: beware the sophists.
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Tarantino's been high on himself ever since people over-hyped Pulp Fiction.
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He looks like Frankenstein.
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Can this hack do anything original?
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WAHOO! I hope it's great and gets going soon!
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Finally some cool news comes down the pipes.
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Tarantino has no missteps, Death Proof is as genius as the rest. Can't wait for this. He can make 7 Kill Bills if he wants.
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This is not a sarcastic post. What the hell is wrong with everybody? Do women that actually talk scare you? The entire movie kicked ass in my opinion. I think QT is right on track. To hell with everybody and do what you want Quentin! Zoe Bell is my hero!
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How much is AICN getting for this ad?
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Actually, I don't mean to single you out, but you're the last post I read. I also apologize for not remembering how to make paragraphs. I consider all of those directors to be in the same boat. They're all extremely talented (in different ways), but it seems they've succumbed to their whims and - yes - become "self-indulgent". Lynch has always gotten under my skin not because his films are near-impenetrable, but because he seems to have such disdain for his audience. Rodriguez needs to figure out exactly what his goals are, because he seems more preoccupied with being the launching pad for new technologies rather than coherent storytelling. Lucas needs to stop writing and directing and just take his gobs of money and ILM and let new directors try some fun shit. Spielberg's recent track record has been inconsistent at best, save for the unnecessary compulsion to tack on arbitrary happy endings to every film. Quentin's problem lately is that rather than take his talent and create a new/original/unique story, he seems content to make "homage" films to his favorite genres. That's his choice, but it seems like such a waste. Reservoir, Pulp, and Jackie weren't 100% original by any stretch, but they each existed in their own worlds without the need of a lot of clever in-jokes to be fully appreciated. I actually enjoyed both halves of Kill Bill and had hoped that Quentin would work on something with a little more substance now that he had that out of his system. I only recently saw Death Proof and for pretty much every scene without Kurt Russell I was turning to my friend and saying "This movie'd be half-decent if Quentin would stop jerking off". Thieves discussing Madonna for 5 mins was neat the first time. 15 years later and we have stunt girls discussing random flicks or songs for even longer? It's like Quentin is homaging himself! I'm actually a big Tarantino fan and would usually be the only one in my class who would defend him. But his constant rehashing of his passions is getting old. I think the majority of the Quentin-hate on this TB has been out of frustration more than malice. We all would love to see a great QT movie, but instead he just serves up half-baked exploitation films that appeal more to himself than the audience. I don't require "deep art" to enjoy a film, and my tastes run the spectrum: Pasolini, Cronenberg, Ridley Scott, Polanski, Coens, Burton, Argento. But come on, give me something to latch on to. His films now seem like you need pop-up notes to show how each line is peppered with references, and if you don't get them, then it's your loss. Holy shit, this is a long post. Sorry for hijacking the thread, no hard feelings. Just wanted to inject some calm into the fight. Flame on!
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that I like, there are of course huge asterisks with each of them. I'm not a total slobbering fanboy who can't criticize his idols. Except maybe Pasolini....
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has become less "self-indulgent" (I should do a search to see how many times that phrase has been in this TB). I kinda enjoyed Boogie Nights and Magnolia, but at the same time felt he was trying to channel some kind of weird Scorsese/Altman love-child vibe. TWBB blew my mind and I thought it had a completely different (and I guess, more mature) style. The trailers for Punch Drunk Love never appealed to me, but if it serves as a style-transition film from Magnolia to TWBB then I'll have to check it out.
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What's with this guy? The modern master of exploitation cinema leaves out one of the greatest exploitive elements from his films. Not one bare tittie in any of his five films. (From Dusk till Dawn doesn't count; wasn't his direction.)
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fuck that, you're quoting Plato and calling other posters 'pseudo-intellectuals' ? Either that's a weak attempt at irony or you're a tool.
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Reasoned, supported criticism is never unwelcome, no matter how much I disagree with it. My salvo was mainly targeted against the echo-chamber mentality I was witnessing. There is such a thing as self-indulgence, at least in the excessive sense (all film, all art, is self-indulgent to an extent), but the prevailing attitude here seems to be that anything somebody doesn't like is self-indulgent, because the director didn't personally seek their approval and pursue their direct interests. I recognize Tarantino's flaws, but the fact that he's still influencing Hollywood in a massive way (how many times has the iconic O'Ren Ishii and the crazy 88 march been copied already?), and is still one of the few directors that has an unmistakable style earns him more than a little slack. Consider also that Tarantino is one of the last truly involved directors, writing, directing, overseeing production style, music, etc., he doesn't just shout orders, catch a few takes, and then retire to his trailer to count his checks. . . At least he cares enough about his movies to "self-indulge" in them. I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the people so recently enamored of proclaiming Tarantino a "hack" and "self-indulgent" will be there the day Inglorious Bastards opens, with bells on; because, even if you hate him, at least Tarantino is interesting, which is more than you can say for a strong majority of the other film-makers out there.
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Come on gang, you can do better! Three of them are from me!
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My point beautifully illustrated. The difference between me and the "self-indulgent" and "hack" slur-hurling grade-schoolers in this talkback is that I know what I'm talking about.
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He's definitely more interesting than the standard slop, but then again, I only tend to see 2-4 movies in the theater per year, so I filter out most. True also, that imitation is the best flattery, but just because something has been copied/homaged doesn't mean it's good. Think of the mindless barrage of similarly themed reality shows or cop/law dramas (although, I did really enjoy the crazy 88 march you mentioned). I'm also all for cutting talented artists slack, but slack only goes so far. A few more exploitation love fests and Quentin will truly start to lose his luster. I mean, does he want to be known as the greatest B-Movie director? And does he think that that's a good thing?
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Has my money!
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I'm enjoying this thoroughly. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, or really even debate, just having a conversation. I was siding with the anti-QT crowd but they kinda degenerated into parroting without explaining their rationale (sorry guys). I was trying to give context. Perhaps tomorrow I'll pick a fight :)
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I'll admit I really don't like "Jackie Brown" very much. It's my least favorite Tarantino film. In fact, I have a hard time getting through it.
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is self-indulgent as fuck, but I still love it. Double-standard, perhaps. I would love a Quentin war movie, BTW, and I'd sit through a 4-hour one too! But to split into two seems, for lack of a better word, a bit tacky.
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I've often been in the minority for my unabashed love of Jackie Brown, but I wonder, how recently did you see it. I look at it (unoriginal, I know) as his most "mature" film, in that it doesn't feel it needs to be as in-your-face gimmicky as some of his others. Plus if you look at it as the story of two people coming to grips with being middle aged, then the slow pace actually reinforces the theme. Some shots go on much longer than one would think (Sam Jackson putting his gloves on before killing Chris Tucker comes to mind), but I feel they fit the mood perfectly. Plus I think it has one of the best DeNiro rolls of that decade - far funnier than anything he's done in his "comedies". Give it another chance someday. Or not. Doesn't matter in the end.
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Learn to cut, QT. Get in late and get out early.
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Oh, it's not the pacing. I'm one of those masochistic bastards that actually likes Jim Jarmusch movies. Hell, I've even sat through all three of Gus Van Sant's "death" trilogy (which tried even my patience). And the characters are some of Tarantino's best, quite certainly it is his least derivative and characteristic film. Unfortunately it just doesn't work for me in the end. It seems to dramatically lose steam in the third act. The ending is great (I remember people really hating the long static shot of her driving, but I liked it; a similar idea was pursued in last year's Michael Clayton, the idea of seeing our protagonist anti-climactically just moving on), I just really tend to wander in the lead up to the hand-off at the mall. I agree about DeNiro, though. I absolutely loathe how self-parodying his gangster shtick has become. The "Analyze This" movies sicken me, and the "Fockers/parents" movies aren't much better. But he was great in Jackie Brown. I would say it's probably one of his best roles, one of few in which he doesn't mug terribly.
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Is movie geeks making movies. Quentin, Kevin, PTA, Cohens, even Apatow. They know their shit when it comes to the trade. They've done their homework. Once in a while we get a self indulgent crapfest. Barry Lyndon comes to mind. Catch Me if You Can, Dune, Brothers Grimm. Fucking frogs falling from the sky. Talent takes chances. Sometimes a crap movie is a good director's on the job training for a new technique or shooting style or technology. Learn on crap to make better movies in the future. 1492: Conquest of Paradise taught Ridley Scott to open up his lens. Then came Gladiator, Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven. Off topic here, but I watched The Usual Suspects again last night. That movie is poorly shot. Framing is weak and the whole composition is awful. And the editing is bad. My wife kept asking why they keep jumping to the burned guy in the hospital. Yet at the time I liked it. Man, it didn't age well.
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of a grindhouse version of "dirty dozen"? - qt lost me at the second half of "death proof"
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Harry chomping on QT and RR cock! Sounds like old times!
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Tom Motherfucking Hatten. Host of Popeye and Friends and the most kickass weekend movie shows ever.
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I love ya Quentin, but you should look into it.
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that he taped an interview of himself for the DVD extras before making the film. He's going to skip right to the press junket next. And I love his movies. When he shuts the fuck up and makes 'em.
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That this will be 2 films. ALLEGEDLY!
CerebralAssassin pegged you - this is an ad, not news. No info on casting, no real plot info, nothing really worth mentioning except that this will be a 2-parter. Lame ad. -
Just give us ONE good movie, Quentin. Don't make our asses wait 6 months or more for the whole story.
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makes me angry. That movie was the worst kind of bad movie, because it always made you think something good might happen, but nothing ever did. Normally you'd just turn off a movie that bad.
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Jun 19, 2008 11:18:17 PM CDT
Death Proof was good. Kill Bill 1 and 2 was awesome. And this...
by jkrow21
This I can't wait for.
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but we can't have two movies about one war called World War 2?!!?!?
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I tend to think Quentin disappeared up his own asshole with Kill Bill and hasn't emerged since.
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how did you think of that name? is it something you always wanted to suck off? Kill Bill 2 would also be much more exciting if you were friggin' DEAD, you sonofabitch. you and your right hand discuss among yourselves
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stroking himself in the back.
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that's how you get personal expressions of art that are unique. If you're not self-indulgent as a filmmaker then you get a "product" that is used to make money and nothing more. This Tarantino hate is mind-boggling; the man makes 4 great films, one of them being an honest-to-god classic (Pulp Fiction) that made a permanent impact on independent film and you can't give him the benefit of the doubt because of Death Proof? You people are insane.
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Reservoir Dogs = good (and slightly overrated)Pulp Fiction = great (and slightly overrated)Four Rooms (segment) = crapJackie Brown = fucking boringKill Bill Vol. 1 = lame (and fucking overrated)Kill Bill Vol. 2 = boring as hellDeath Proof = fun (mainly due to Kurt Russell)
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Wtf is wrong with people. Make two fuckin stories, how about that? One movie is one story. The other one can be a spin off or some shit. Still haven't seen KB2 coz although 1st was pretty wicked i don't want to see two seperate parts of the same goddamn film. Its a fucking cheat and Matrix 2/3 is exactly why
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Great direction by Tony Scott, great actors (Walken! Hopper! Gandolfini! Slater! Arquette!) great dialogues (Walken vs. Hopper -- just fantastic!), great editing, great score! I love that movie! I agree that this is (by far) the best flick Tarantino was involved with.
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Yawn. That pretty much sums up this "news".
The "hate" isn't hate... it's disappointment in a director that had so much potential, and maybe even still does.
RD and Pulp Fiction are cinematic classics. They changed the way films were made, at least certain films.
But QT didn't evolve... he devolved. It's not about self indulgence... it's about self awareness. In RD and Pulp, QT had no true status. RD gave him some but as far as true recognition and attention, he had none until after Pulp. So his influences serviced a story.
After Jackie Brown, his influences were inserted to service an ego. A big declaration of "Hey buddy, look what I love." Kung Fu theater. Shitty grind house flicks. Look at me. Look at me. It wasn't self indulgence that changed so many people's outlook on QT, it was his self awareness.
In BOTH Kill Bill movies, pay attention and see that almost each and every moment is self aware. Blatant "look how cool this character is talking". It's bullshit. It's bad cinema. Now, I won't condemn people for liking Kill Bill and Deathproof. I like plenty of bad movies too. But make no mistake, those movies aren't the cinematic equivalent of RD and Pulp. They don't even come close.
Paul Thomas Anderson evolved with There Will Be Blood. He started working on his next project and stopped because he realized he was making the same movie he always did. So he gambled. THAT'S a fucking director.
That said, I think QT has the potential to do the same. MAYBE with this new flick. Thank God there'll be no 70s crap. He's done that.
But this whole two movie to tell one story means the guy is a loose cannon with too much freedom. Too much freedom usually leads to crap in cinema. Look at Indy 4. Raiders was great because they were working on a small budget early in their careers with plenty to lose. With Indy 4 they had a limitless budget with nothing to lose.
So QT, if you're out there... just fucking tell a good story with good characters. Forget about sounding cool. Forget about declaring with your hand down your pants how much you like this or that. Just tell a fucking good story. And don't cheat it by making two movies. There are hundreds of classics that told classic stories within one film.
It's chicken shit to do it in two. Show us again how you can work the camera, write the script, and edit a movie that is compelling and risky.
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I thought Quentin felt bad about Kill Bill been split to make more money - then Grindhouse gets split - outside the US and probably out of his control. Didn't stop him pimping Deathproof in the UK like it was always intended as a stand alone film and now another two part film / DVD. It better be worth it! but, personally, at this stage Quentin is playing serious catch up .
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Was talking to a friend about The Fifth Element the other day, particularly about how Luc Besson said he wrote the story when he was a child. And it shows in the story, its main saving grace is its adult direction and design. To an exent, you could believe the same about the grindhouse films.
If The Fifth element was written by a sci-fi-obsessed 10 year old, then Planet Terror was written by a hormonal 13 year old, and Gridhouse by a scuzzy 15 year old. Still, QT did a good job considering he only had one hand free during the filming for doing the actual directing. Rosy Palm & her 5 sisters seemed to be non-stop busy during every single frame he captured. -
It's not original... it's called "City on Fire." [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HgbSAL8OKY] Quentin "borrows heavily" from other sources: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZKgptV4GmQ
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well get a bunch of harden criminals spouting " cool dialog " for about 3 hrs of the 2 films and about 20 minutes of kick assery at the end . death proof anyone ? that movie sucked balls and this might not be any better
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for milking us for another pile(s) of shit!!!!!!!!
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It starts our fantastic. You see...Sorry. I have to split my posts in two. You will have to wait for the second part another day.
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Was awful. I'm glad Tarantino stole its ideas and made a much better film with them.
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Sorry. Still an awful film.
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...and I totally agree with you.
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One of Ringo Lam's best action movies, imho.
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And I want this set in Iraq
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Jun 20, 2008 5:20:58 AM CDT
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD thought you were on your way?
by talkbacker with no name
Now go home and get your fucking shine box!
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Jun 20, 2008 5:25:08 AM CDT
I love Tarantino, and have no problem with this, but...
by danielkurland
You know, there is such a thing as editing.
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...the long boring conversation between the girls in the restaurent. I wanted to shoot myself.
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...word.
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Jun 20, 2008 5:58:50 AM CDT
Can't wait...................looks like we'll have to anyway
by stuntcock mike
Maybe it'll finally get done by the time the nurse has to change my diapers, so I can still enjoy it.
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Who is hating on Tarantino. You worthless pieces of shit! Yeah, you've got a right to hate and I 've got a right to say you'd be lucky to suck "Quentin's" balls with the pathetic lives you all have lived. Tarantino has earned the right to do do whatever he fucking wants, not unlike George Lucas. I could bag on that fat fuck, because I don't like the shit he's been up to, but that's another Talkback. Tarantino will be remembered as one of the greatest directors of this time, so you all can butt fuck each other into oblivion. Bitches!
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...there always seem to be certain talkbackers who only show up in QT talkbacks and spew unbridled venom at QT's detractors. Then there's a whole bunch of talkbackers who nobody has ever seen before who show up and do the same thing.
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Oh fuck it let me just do the coke and smoke the weed, I'll remake this guys movie instead, alright? Okay? Alright? okay? Alright? okay? Alright? No, but seriously, I'm sure this is gonna be great. KILL BILL is hand down my fave QT movie. And I, for one, love that QT has just completely and totally embraced the exploitation genre as his thang, as it were. Looking forward to this.
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Jackie Brown is QT's best movie, hands down, period, no doubt. Kill Bill was a 90 minute idea stretched into an unforgivable two movies, and two bad ones at that.
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This is the Paul Schrader method of writing. QT should give that a shot. Can't hurt.
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People need to just chill out, generally. If you hate QT, great. State your case. Same rules apply for liking him. It's when people think THEY are right flat-out that the pointless arguing starts.
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WTF are you smokin dude? QT "will be remembered as one of the greatest directors of this time" ....umm....okey dokey. Sorry but there's no way in hell that's gonna happen. Had he not disappeared up his own ass a few years back he might well have been an important director, but - Kill Bill - Death Prooof - he is nailing his own coffin shut. People didn't want Grindhouse, they stayed away in droves, and they won't flock for this either. It's odd his self destruction isn't as newsworthy as M. Night; but both have had their day and both are now fading away.
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Jun 20, 2008 6:57:55 AM CDT
I love QT but he does seriously need to stop this crap...
by rocklobster800
I mean unless this is actually a proper film and not another homagey rehash Ill give it a chance. BUT I have to say after all this...Im not keen. I mean Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are good "proper" films-theyve got their homages but they are at least subtle about them, and they revitalised cinema for the 1990s....but since then he's gone a bit nuts really. Yeah, Kill Bill was fun.part one was at least, but the second only had a few good moments. It was pretty blatant about what it wanted to be and instead of doing anything new or exciting it just....homaged things. Okay Ill give him that one. You get away with that once...I mean the guy deserved a bit of self indulgent fun. Grindhouse was a good idea....but the actual films were pretty iffy, especially Deathproof. And once again, instead of doing anything new it was an injokey, hokey, all over the place love letter to Vantage Point, which was unsubtly rammed down our throats. And it seems that Inglorious Bastards will be the same "tick every box o make it a world war 2 movie" kinda thing, instead of an attempt to make a decent FILM, with characters you care about like...say, Clarence or Mr. White.As fun as Kill Bill was I didnt connect emotionally at ALL and I honestly couldnt tell you a characters name five minutes after Death Proof....but I know Quentin can make these things, he's just started walking down the wrong path-but he can come back. SO for the love of God man, stop reading up on WW2 films and just hammer out your version of it...stop "homaging" other peoples visions and come up with your own! I mean does tarantino want to be remembered as an auteur who didnt really have his own styles or techniques (save tonnes of dialogue) because he just took his favourite director's and threw it back at them?
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than see another ridiculously over-written, poorly edited QT movie. He's a one-hit wonder, living off past fame. His cultural references are anachronisitic, given the movies they are in (remember his scrip-doctor work on "Crimson Tide"?). Still, this is a great idea for a movie-- I just wish it would be written and directed by someone else.
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Jun 20, 2008 7:01:48 AM CDT
Yeah, QT Should've Just Made Pulp Fiction Over And Over Again
by laserpants
That way you all could complain that he's a one trick pony hack and only makes hipster crime flicks. Basically, the haters hate him because he's doing what you can't and never will be able to do -- make crazy awesome movies.
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I earlier stated that most of QT's characters are interchangeable when it comes to dialogue, but I think a more apt description is that it seems like his characters pass around an invisible QT-channeling baton and whoever happens to be holding it immediately starts spouting the same drivel as if they've been possessed by the guy.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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Will be remembered as the greatest of our time? LOL
Maybe at putting people to sleep with his un-smart, long ass, has nothing to do with the story dialogues.
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Mostly because of the split in the movies. It would've been a masterpiece if he cut a lot out of it and made it into one movie. I want to see a Quentin Tarantino movie. A real one. No remakes, hommages or book adaptations. A real one.
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Seriously. Kill bill was great and all, but it could've easily been one movie and been just as great. Two movies is overkill and just shows that Tarantino needs to come down from his high horse, and eliminate the "filler" and just focus on one complete, concise story. I mean, hell...ANY movie could become two movies. The trick is to finding ways to tell a story and hash out the characters within a 90-minute to 120-minute timeframe (sometimes longer movies work, but more often than not, they are boring). It's a little skill called editing, and it works wonders for all involved. Two movies is overkill, no matter how great the concept or characters are.
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Wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have wait fucking months... bullshit exploitation
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A major major MAJOR mistake in revealing Uma had a kid at the end of volume 1 because it ruined any tone in Volume 2. Maybe he'll learn but Deathproof was NOT a promising splattergore film
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#1. It would've been a three and a half hour movie postmodernist mess(we saw how well that worked for Grindhouse)..#2.People would've had to sit through the inferior second half...#3.I'm guessing it wouldn't have made more than 40 million tops.
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Where characters talk about who's the hottest Andrews Sister.
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We have. His aesthetic is ultra-post-modernism. That's why we have charaters that spend 30 minutes talking about the Vanishing Point, and then they go off and drive the car. It's also why he rehashes old Ennion Morricone film scores instead of commisioning him to do a new one for his film. Tarantino movies exist, because other movies exist. It's similar to De Palma, except De Palma doesn't hit you over the head as much as Tarantino.
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Not sure who Ennion is.
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... 30 fuckin' years to put out a combined version on DVD/BluRay. Shit, by the time this gets out, there won't be any BluRay discs, we'll all be watching holonovellas on the new BraynQube Quantum Nanovirus System® or some shit.
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to his pre-Kill Bill days. I thought with his older films, each of his characters had an individual voice. With Kill-Bill and Death Proof many of the characters sounded like the same person. He's gotten a little Kevin Smithish.
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Chinease Democracy soundtrack...coming soon to VHS. With special interview by George Lucas on how other people have learned to emulate his style of realeasing films on home video.
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This is the only cut of Inglorious Bastards that I've seen. Is the original version better?
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The Hobbit and Harry Potter films are based off of books. Inglorious Bastards is based off a 99 minute exploitation film from the 70's. If Tarantino is actually going to add to this movie and make something epic out of it, then it's a wise decision. If instead we are given a couple of really cool action scenes surronded by 30 minute scenes of dialogue about John Wayne, then it's not so good.
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That's what will probably happen, unless Tarantino has actually "evolved" as a film talent and isn't so hung up on the "brillance" of his monologues. I swear, his stuff is getting better suited for the theatre than the cinema screen. Like I said in a previous post, he's got the Kevin Smith syndrome really bad.
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(aka The Mercenaries) does anyone know if this great film is on dvd yet?? And if it isn't then why the hell not? (Not to be mistaken for the horrible Dark Side of the Sun starring Brad Pitt.)
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Enough pot-induced bullshit already!
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QT does, even if I don't really like it. He admits that he made enough money from Pulp to never have to work again. So I like knowing that any movie he makes is because he wants to, not because Garfield needs another sequel. I hope one day he gets bitten buy the comic book movie bug, I'm thinking Too Much Coffee Man the movie?
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I think Clint should tell QT to shut his face, becuase Clint just did the split war movie.
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they don't even feel like films, just a cohesion of shots and scenes, not that i'm complaining but i'd like to see a movie he makes where it feels like a movie and not something put together by quentin tarantino.
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Jun 20, 2008 10:05:47 AM CDT
And this talk backs most unwarranted and unrelated attack goes t
by crashbarbarian
DannyGlovers_Dickblood! A Chris Nolan attack. This is why i love AICN.. because everyone can hate anyone for no reason, and in any talkback. Chris Nolan, for real?
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I'm not exactly shit-thrilled about the 2-part-er aspect of this.
Since Jackie Brown, I've believed that QT occassionally needed to be intoduced to a somewhat voracious and intractable editor. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy (most of) his stuff but I can see how people might be given to calling it self-indulgent at times.
Also, _Dickblood, I'm really not trying to chase you from TB to TB and start shit with you, but you've hated all of Tarantino's movies except for From Dusk Til Dawn & True Romance? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm incredulous here because I can't imagine anyone in their right fucking mind hating on Resevoir Dogs and then trying to say they think FDTD is a better movie. Personally, I wanted to press eject and shit on the VHS right after Salma Hayek's transformation and I still don't think I would have missed anything. As far as True Romance goes, it would have been a great, great movie - had it been handled by anyone other than Tony Scott.
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This whole 2 movie thing is completley the child of The Weinsteins. While I completely believe the rumors of IB being around the 300-page level at some point in the writing process. I also would say that's what any competant writer should have if they were writing the same thing for 6 years. I also believe any competant writer could trim their 300-pager into a 180-pager. But instead, the Weinsteins...being the Weinsteins are much more happy with 2 110-minute films instead of one 3-hour film. And therefore giving us 40-minutes of stuff that should have been cut out. And thus giving us 2 movies with less quality than one 180-minute cut down film would give us.
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Whatever happened to Killshot?
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Free him!
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Thanks to Oliver Stone's old DP/frequent Scorsese collaborator Robert Richardson. Kill Bill has a definite Richardson circa JFK to U-Turn era look to it.
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The blocking was straight out of a stage play though.
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But my bootleg dvd of it could use some sprucing up. I had no idea this was coming to dvd, with a 3 disc set nonetheless. I'm gonna have to pre-order this one.
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I remember reading that Stone/Richardson were going to do that together. I think it got pushed back/possibly canned for Dubya. The funny part about their parting (which I believe was mentioned in American Cinematographer) was that Richardson didn't want to DP Any Given Sunday because he doesn't like football. I think Stone said Richardson was more of a Baseball guy, which makes sense because he was the DP for Eight Men Out.
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Any bashing he's getting is well deserved. I fully admit I loved his early films and I'm including Natural born Killers, True Romance and From dusk till Dawn which has his stamp all over them. In addition to the films he has actually directed including Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown and kill Bill. Why he deserves the hate he's getting is because kill Bill was never meant to be two movies. He screwed his fans over by making kill Bill into two distinct films. While I like the second part of kill Bill it's hardly a satisfying conclusion and so much could be edited out and improved on. Then there's the real fall from grace "death proof" an abomination to cinema, made all the worse knowing what a talented writer director Tarantino was. The thing of it is that most directors make their best movies in their early years. They have seen what's come before them and bring an energy, a hunger, something new. Tarantino did that, perhaps improving on certain other films he "remade". Now as has been mentioned he's just a publicity whore keeping his name in circulation. Always bringing up films he's going to make and rarely make them happen. Hopefully he'll realise he's got old and no longer has that "cool" factor. Perhaps then he can start making proper films like Pulp Fiction? Or perhaps he no longer has any new ideas and should let other writers write the scripts while he directs?
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I remember this skit they had on SNL when Danny Devito hosted back in the late 80s. It was a spoof of WWII adventure movies and it had people always saying lines with the word 'bastard' in it. There's a transcript at:
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Kill Bill being 2 movies wasn't QT's choice...It's was the Weinstein's.
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That's a preposterous accusation. The reason I said those "women" is because virtually every person holding the Official QT Channeling Baton (TM) in Death Proof WAS a woman. My point is that pretty much every single main character in a QT film sounds exactly like QT. In Death Proof it just happened to be women.
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They actually want us to believe it's being split because of artistic reasons? Bullshit. The Weinsteins are desperate to make money, and Tarantino isn't exactly a sure thing these days. God, why don't they just split every movie they make. They've already done it with Kill Bill and Grindhouse. Hell, even The Hobbit and the last Harry Potter movie are being split in two. It's a lame excuse to cash in, and they get away with it because we fall for it every time. I'm looking forward to Inglorious Bastards, but this split-in-two thing is bullshit.
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Had one of the best fucking car chases ever. Granted, after sitting thru 45 minutes of stretched out dialogue, it was a great payoff. But still, Tarantino can do action better than a lot of directors. Self-indulgence is a big trademark in all his movies. Just because most of you wanna be filmmakers out there can't get ONE WORD of your dialogue read by any studios out there, doesn't mean you should be haters. What I'm trying to basically say is DannyGlovers Dickblood is a big hairy testicle licker.
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Whether it's one or two films, I'm looking forward to this. I like Quentin, though I'm not a suckup. This sounds like it could be a departure from what we've seen of him before, and I'll be interested to see how he handles "war" scenes.
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Just forget the last post and read this one. Straight to the point, just like the penis of DannyGlover Dickblood's dad in his son's ass.
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you ever see Planet of the Apes? Batman Returns? That's pretty much the examples.. his other movies were pretty cool. Oh, and shut the fuck up, DannyGlovers Dickblood.
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Fair enough for FDTD, I guess fun is an ok description, in the same sense that I like a shitload of movies that aren't technically "good" in any way.
I suppose that that is precisely what T & R were going for with that movie, in a pre-Grindhouse way, but I've always harbored some ill will toward Dusk and I can sum it up in two words that mean much to me, and hopefully I can explain them in a way that will make sense to anyone else and not just make me sound like an ass - dancing extras.
In any action scene in a genre movie, specifically a 'hand-to-hand combat' scene, you have your protagonist(s) and the adversaries they are immediately combatting. Then, just behind or around them, a group of costumed extras, just dicking around making goofy faces, instead of, you know, presenting an immediate threat. I hate that shit and FDTD is full of it!
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Jun 20, 2008 11:24:43 AM CDT
DannyGlover's Dickblood:Kill Bill was a waste of my fucking oxyg
by sicuv uyall
Than I can't wait for Kill Bill Volumes 3-20 if you choke and die. Rambo is your best example of a good action film? What are you, 10 years old?? Did you let Stallone spooge all over your face?? Lick it up, Rambo boy, lick... it... up.
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DannyGlover's Dickblood is right! You know what cool cinema would be? Watching a donkey get his dick sucked by DannyGlover's Dickblood and then sodomize him. That would be totally COOOL EXPLOITATION!! I'm not trying to tell you Talkbackers what cool cinema is, but wouldn't that be FUCKING COOOOOOL?? What do you all think?
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You're the disease, and i'm the cure
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I'm pretty sure there were other fans of exploitation-style films before QT and others made it buzz-worthy and middle-America-acceptable. I'm also pretty sure that it was probably a term levered by critics in at the filmmakers most accused of perpetuating it.
Of course, I'm way too lazy to back this up with fact so take it accordingly.
However, I was pretty annoyed by the "grindhouse" bullshit myself, considering that I hadn't ever heard anyone use the location as a descriptor in that way before T & R did so. It was always just exploitation and slasher and blah blah blah for me. I mean, my cherry-breaker in that way was Charles Kaufman's Mother's Day, at the Blue Sky Drive-In, circa 1980, but did you catch me going around for the rest of my life calling anything even vaguely similar "Drive-In-style movies" like it's actually a recognized genre? I say thee nay. -
I was promised the full Grindhouse experience, and I'm not watching either of those films until I get to see the whole damn thing the way it was intended in the first place, fake trailers and all. But it will probably take years before we finally get that Grindhouse DVD. Still waiting for the complete Kill Bill.
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"He's decided to write the characters with no specific actor in mind. To allow the character to be everything that character can be and to actually find an actor to become that character."
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BASTARD CANNIBALS WITH GUNS
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(OF DOOM!)
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With the possible exception of Aronofsky (who just doesn't have enough films to his resume) all of those directors have grown as artists and filmmakers while retaining their unique style. Their films are still relevant and exciting: Zodiac, Benjamin Button, Dark Knight, Prestige, There Will Be Blood, No Country. Meanwhile, Tarantino peaked back with Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs...started taking a step toward adult filmmaking with Jackie Brown...then returned to become a solid and yes, self-indulgent, B-movie exploitation genre director.
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Uma Thurman. I never bought her as 'the most dangerous woman on the planet'. Not even a little bit. Although I must admit to bias, I think she is ostrich-fuck-ugly and that interminable yack zoom on her hideous man-feet made me want to tear out my eyes with cinnamon toothpicks and replace them with hard-boiled eggs.The teenage asian schoolgirl killer was far more believable as a badass than any of Bill's girls...Viveca Fox? Really? Are you fucking kidding? She's the male equivalent of a fucking dork. Lucy Liu? Well, she's so crazy beautiful and hot that she can be whatever she wants..altho she was far more a believable badass in her limited screen-time in the theatrical version of 'Payback'.Jackie Brown was boring. True Romance is genius. Pulp Fiction is also excellent but after that? Haven't seen Death Proof so can't say but QT isn't as much a 'zeitgeist' of cinema as he thinks. But this isn't new is it?
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If you're averse to the torrents for any reason, but have expanded cable, Starz has been playing the complete film, faux trailers & all.
As far as DVD release, Japan's already got it, all 6 discs of it, but I guess there's still no domestic release date. And yeah, I'm still waiting for the unedited Kill Bill release (coincidentally, also available in denomination of yen).
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He made an adult film and the hipster, younger demographic didn't' respond to it like he thought it would. This crushed him. I happen to think it's a great film. Deniro, Fonda, Gier, Foster, Sam, Micheal Keaton all turn in great performances and don't forget about Chris Tucker, which happens to be the last time he's done any valuable work. I can't say it's his best when Pulp changed the way people looked at films. And this is a guy that saw Res. Dogs in '92. And I can't put it over RD's too. Even though it's a rough copy of from an Asian film. I"ll just say that Jackie BRown was different than anything in his repertoire thus far. And like I said at the beginning it's his most mature film. And I love that he went in that direction.
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http://tinyurl.com/4qsebh
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Harry was being sarcastic.
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Care to cut & paste? Rickey's work filters block that site...
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Care to cut & paste? Rickey's work filters block that site...
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It's not actually a review. I'm being an ass. I wish I did have a review. I'm fucking sick of waiting.
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Rickey is profoundly unamused!
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Yep. I've got nothin'.
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And Jackie Brown is arguably Quentin's best film. Haters of both be damned.
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Having just re-watched it the other night, I can confidantly say that I enjoyed it, I think it's a good movie, all the cast performs well - but - I stand by the assertion that someone needed to have the balls to stand up and suggest a bit more editing.
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You're right on. Jackie Brown is his most adult film to date, yet the kids generally refer to it as boring. Go figure!
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A Weezer video doesn't make much of a punchline, dude.
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. . . be in this one? I mean, Christ (whom he'd probably LOVE to play, too) already, bruddah gotta be in EVERY action film or something? Agree with Picardsucks, there.
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I wish him the best. I ran into him once at a Premiere Magazine party and the skanks were really over him...they looked like reject Korn fans with blonde dreadlocks, etc. He had the gift of gab and was high as a kite. I think we forget though that Roger Avary contributed greatly to Pulp Fiction and True Romance. From what I've been told Tarantino borrowed heavily for True Romance from a script entitled Open Road that they worked on together. I loved True Romance...Gary Oldman is my favorite actor.
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opted to work on Shutter Island with Scorsese I believe. Master DP. I'm interested in seeing the film. Scorsese...Richardson...book by Lehane... should be interesting.
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...more "adults" or "Geniuses" who are the only ones who get a film and thus the rest of us are jackasses.It's fucking simple: did you like it? Yes? That's fucking awesome!!!Did I like it? No. That's fucking awesome too!Why is that confusing to you? Why can't you just let it go and realize that some people like shit and some don't and smart or fucking whatever doesn't have dick to do with it?What's next...where's my full length feature film? My screenplay being made into a widely released movie? I can't find one of QT's films boring without 'not getting it'? Bollocks on you Captain Pretentious! This is the same fucking excuse everybody uses to defend their opinions on movies. Notice how those who found it boring didn't castigate you? (i didnt anyway). Yeah...so who you trying to convince it was an 'adult film' eh? Me or you?And plus, an "adult film"? As opposed to what? A children's film? Or do you mean to imply Pulp fiction was targeted for teenagers? Uh huh, right.Oh and I forgot RD which is a fucking crazy movie and has one of my favorite all time Kietel lines "Toby Won? Toby chan...fucking Charlie Chan??". Classic.
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Awesome! Thanks for the info! Cold Cut Combo here I come!
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Jun 20, 2008 5:27:56 PM CDT
Most of yall' dumb motherfuckers totally missed the point of Dea
by engelhast
Bunch of know nothing children in here claiming to know what they hell they are talking about and passing themselves off as movie aficionado’s. Got news for you punks…you don’t know jack shit. You really can’t critic a movie for being bad until you understand and learn what bad is. This flick was done in homage to the great and truly horrible grind house flicks Quentin and many of us grew up on. Movies that were in their own right nothing to brag about technically but are also impossibly entertaining beyond what they should be. Is the writing and dialog in Death Proof over the top? Hell yes. Is most of the shots and situations only there for no reason other than to be cool? Hell yes. That movie is 100% awful in the way Quentin wanted it to be. I swear to god if a movie does not have the pre-requisite number of action beats and punch lines per hour of celluloid and passed fast enough to keep the MTV hypnotized kids of today awake they don’t understand it and if they don’t understand they dismiss it as gay and stupid.
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Well said (and colorfully too.) Film opinions are subjective. Period.
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you know it's true, you graboid wankers.
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this movie will never got shot. he's been talking about it forever...and nothing's happened. It's like when Homer wanted to go to the mall and visit Mr. T. I'll go a little later, I'll go a little later...
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I'd ever enter a talkback just to bad mouth, but this is unbelievable, Tarantinos star has definately dulled with this news. After the awewomeness of kill bill pt1, pt2 was just a long boring pointless mess, and don't get me onto Death Proof, contrary to the above, even with the presence of Kurt Russell, this was just a movie of Tarantino checking out how much he can get away with. but 2 films AGAIN, c'mon, exploitation movies only need to be one (short) movie, if the first ones a hit, great, make a sequel, but when have 2 films worked, Pirates, nope. Matrix, nope, maybe Back to the Future, but still. Quentin, if you're reading this talkback, please, stop over ripping off films you like, why can't screen writers be sued for plagerism?.
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You are the first cat I have ver seen who believed the second half of Kill bill was inferior. Can I ask your reasoning behind that. Just curious. I respect your opinion, but to be honest, it is a bit baffling.
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Benjamin button isn't even out yet. Or have you seen it? What the fuck dude? It's pretty weak to make an argument about good movies with one of your examples being a movie that is months away from release. A minute long film teaser does not really constitute a full opinion on an entire film.
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Self-Indulgent = "indulging one's own desires, passions, whims, etc., esp. without restraint." (www.dictionary.com)
"Excessive indulgence of one's own appetites and desires." (American Heritage Dictionary)
"Indulgence of one's appetites, desires, or inclinations; -- the opposite of self-restraint, and self-denial." (www.selfknowledge.com)
As usual, M-O-M, you fail at the English language, for as you can clearly see, your definition is completely off-base whereas the true meaning of the term more than adequately fits Mr. Tarantino like a glove.
I'm not surprised regarding your views of QT as you are without question the talkbacker with the easily most predictable taste in films who has ever deigned to post on AICN.
You're also a well-known, tremendous hypocrite and an arrogant, condescending asshole.
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Great! I'll save my money twice!
Hey, Quentin, we're in 2008! You just can't do a 60's or 70's movie anymore...unless you get a fucking time machine, douchebag!
P.S.: Fuck you, Quentin Tarantino, Luc Be$$on, George Luca$$, Ryuhei Kitamura, etc. -
and you buttsex addicts are lords of cock
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i "got it" - as a drive-in movie homage it worked - the second half felt very self-aware and forced - like everyone on screen was in on the joke - i didnt buy it for a second - the dialog coming out of those girls in the diner sounded like a bad line reading at an audition - it also buged me that these were all holloywood assholes - i guess these types (qt included) see themselves as very bad-ass under the right circumstances (like being chased by a psycho in a muscle car) - they deserved a worse fate than victim group #1
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was a pain - like the rave in matrix 2 - who was that supposed to appeal too? - a whole segment about the local selling the car wouldve been more interesting
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and Lucas would do a 70s type movie with no cgi, stunts or fx of any kind.
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... direct someone else's script. It would be interesting to see each of them make a straightforward and non-gimmicky movie.
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Prick. That is all
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I didn't like it because it was too talky (In a Death Proof un-interesting dialogue goes nowhere sort of way), and the last 30 minutes were too Apocalypse Now (we get to meet this mysterious character, but he gets killed fairly easily), but spending 30 minutes with Brando/Sheen is a lot better than spending 30 minutes with Uma Thurman and David Carradine. I think if they would've origninally kept v.1/v.2 as one film, that the last part would've turned auidences off (especially having to sit through a three hour movie), and the film would've done worse. Having v.1 be the action packed one helped lure people in to v.2. Now don't get me wrong, I love well written dialogue, but I didn't like v.2 because it was dialogue heavy, and the dialogue wasn't good enough to let the film coast on that alone.
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