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Spike Lee: TIME TRAVELER!!
Merrick here...
Spike Lee has acquired the rights to TIME TRAVELER, a memoir by Ronald Mallett - a theoretical physicist & one of the first African Americans to receive a PhD in the field.
This in itself is interesting in an academic sort of way, but what makes this project super-compelling is what Mallett wanted to do with his knowledge of/experience in his field:
Mallett, who wrote the book with Bruce Henderson, recounts his rise from poverty to a distinguished academic and scientific career, and it lays out the technical specs for what Mallett envisions as a workable time machine. Developing a time machine became an obsession for Mallett from the age of 10 after his father's death. His goal was to travel back in time to save his father.
...says THIS ARTICLE in Variety.
This could be pretty damn cool. If you haven't seen the trailer for MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA (based on the book by James McBride), check it out HERE; it's intriguing. Looks like Spike's continuing to choose projects that are, at the very least, interesting and unusual...a tendency that's pretty unique for film makers these days.
You can find Mallett's book HERE.
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True dat!
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wasn't that a doctor who ep?
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Racist fucker!
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...provides fodder for some entertaining talkbacks.
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...did a story on this dude. An excellent story, but maybe too much pathos for a movie? IMO, there are just some things that the radio can do better.
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http://trekmovie.com/2008/06/15/a-fathers-day-look-at-the-visitor/
This sounds absolutely fascinating, and you're right, Merrick - the projects Spike's been picking lately have been very interesting. Can't wait to see "The Miracle of St. Anna", and I'm really looking forward to seeing this. -
I never heard of that guy but if he was gonna make a time machine in real life that should be a supercool story. However I don't want anyone to actually accomplish time travel, 'cause then we'd all be up shit's creek.
Spike's a really good director. The only thing I hate is that thing he does where someone floats down the street instead of walking. And when he just makes a movie instead of trying to make a statement, I think he does great work. -
Damn You Michael Bay
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Jun 18, 2008 9:31:49 AM CDT
brothers and sisters fighting is as natural as a white man’s dia
by candystore
Seriously, hasn't this story been on like every other website in the world for about 24 hours now?
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"brothers and sisters fighting is as natural as a white man’s dialogue in a Spike Lee movie"
Best sequence to ever come out of a Spike Lee "joint" and the demented bespectacled troll didn't even have anything to do with it! MacFarlane baby! -
talkbackers would use it to "first!" all the stories. It'd be a madhouse! A maaadhouse!
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Please, baby-baby, please baby.
Will he save Radio Raheem's radio, recast Clive Owen or recast Giancarlo Esposito's role in "Malcolm X" with Michael Rappaport. So many, many possibilities. Maybe he'll stop Michael Jordan's gambling, retirement, baseball, unretirement. Spike makes me so indifferent. -
if Spike gives into the smhaltz impulse.
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Not really. I just thought I'd get it started.
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"So would you say that you are cured?"
"Word up, yo. See the thing is, mah mind is awful hawngry ya dig? Only like, I jus choose not ta give it no grub. peace out." -
I really get tired of all the Spike Lee haters online and in these talkbacks. Spike is one of the most prolific directors working and all of his films at the very least are thought provoking. Many directors of Spike's generation have either sold out or lost their edge. Spike continues to work with some of the best talent out there and deals with a wide range of topics and themes. I respect that Spike is challenging himself by delving into more mainstream/hollywood friendly fare (i.e. Inside Man). Spike is someone who likes stirring the pot vigorously and aggressively and the film business is a better place because of people like him.
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If the guy would make movies and shut his stupid mouth, he'd have heaps and heaps of mainstream respect. Instead, he opens it and out drops foolishness. For example, he gets in Clint Eastwoods grill because of a lack of black actors in Letters from Iwo Jima.
..a movie about JAPANESE SOLDIERS!!!
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I have only done this once before.
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then what do we do with all the black people who are from Jamaica? Are they Jamaican-Americans or do we force them to accept being identified with a heritage that is not theirs?
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It isn't the most idiotic, stupid bit of foolishness I've ever heard, because Carrot Top is still earning shitloads more than I am with his assmunching, Z-Grade schtick. Now THAT'SW idiotic and stupid. That freak belongs in a tree chipper, and there's no arguing that point.
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...of his, but which I liked a lot, was "Get on the Bus". Its about a bunch of black men riding the bus to the Million Man march back in 95'. And you have all these different black people: a republican, a homosexual, a former gangbanger, a cop, and Ossie Davis...and they all clash and bond and learn how they all come from different walks of life and the struggles they face and how some of them are their own problem. Its worth watching and it holds no punches. And Andre Bauer is in it too.
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This guy is like Al Sharpton: the better race relations get, the more miserable and irrelevant he becomes. Nothing makes him happier than some sort of racial injustice. And that's fucking twisted.
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You honestly have no idea how the machine works, do you? Most of your favorite people in the industry give controversial opinions and comments about shit, yet because Spike's is about race, suddenly he should keep his mouth shut and make movies? Whatever.
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Which movie/filmmaker is Spike going to talk trash about when this film comes out? Maybe he'll just call H.G. Wells a racist.
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When can we see a film version of Robert A. Heinlein's classic time-travel treatise "By His Bootstraps"? Unfilmable?
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than in this quote agains Clint...Bamboozaled and Katrina. These two alone say more than anything he's spoken. Let's all watch or rewatch these films and gaze at our country for what it is....still learning to get along and help each other become more open minded people. Even Spike still needs a little help in that category.
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surprise me with how totally nuts they go when this guy's name shows up. First, I'd like to say that most people who read this site are fans and care passionately about their favorite subjects (Fight Club, Star Wars, Michael Bay apparently) but don't know very much about how Hollywood works. The actual mechanics of how the business makes entertainment are brutally racist as a simple fact. Roles are auditioned, films written, assigned, and marketed with incredibly rigid, often anachronistic ideas about race and race perceptions. There are many hard and fast rules (e.g. no black men, for instance in mainstream films or tv are generally allowed to have sex scenes with white women: you can count them on one hand).
The other thing that I find incredibly nutty is how easily people, in the safety of their computer non-responsibility say the most vile and vituperatively racist things when Spike Lee's name is even mentioned. It isn't just criticism, it isn't even factual. It's just racist spleen against him, blacks (or African Americans) in general and against the idea that racism even exists. Is that really even a a question? I would also humbly point out that it probably isn't for white people to point out when affected minorities should 'get over' an issue. Much must be done on both sides but ceasing the presumption that we know what others are like and how they should feel is a nice start. -
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Was a bad cut & paste on my part. It was meant to be "African American" & nothing else. The correction was made quickly, but site tech is sometimes slow to propagate changes.
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my favorite Chappelle skit. "We've traveled back in time to call you a cracker"
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on chappelle's show
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dammit beat me to it
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Because not all Black people are from Africa.
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I sort of shudder to think about it after how they mangled "Unaccompanied Minors" for the big screen -- and that was still under the direction of a very capable director (Paul Feig).
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And there was never an issue with me calling her a black chick. because she was. just like im a white guy. but of course, Americans have always been more dramatic than those accoss the pond
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The guy's made, what, 3 good movies? And spends the rest of the time telling us why white people are bad. I couldn't stop laughing at his defense to Clint Eastwood, "hey a black man built the shaft that flag was erected on! but hey now I'm gonna take a page out of my man obamas book and show peace"
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about washington carver inventing peanut butter! because he was black and important
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I know it's real fun to pick a side and pretend they hate each other, but that story is just some bullshit cooked up by the same junket attending asswipes who keep you updated on which former Disney Channel star is blowing who after rehab and all that shit. It's made up. Lee was asked a direct question about why Eastwood didn't include black soldiers in Iwo Jima (although actually he did have some), said he couldn't speak for Clint and then made a couple typically provocative comments. So then Clint was confronted with an out of context quote about it and asked directly what he thought about it and said the "shut your face" thing. Then they put these two things together in some column like IMDb WENN Fake News and pretend it constitutes a real event. And they casually throw in "Eastwood, who once threatened Michael Moore's life," which of course is a lie based on a joke that Eastwood made years ago when asked about BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE.
Clint is right to bring up Spike criticizing him for BIRD, but there's nothing wrong with Lee wanting the contributions of black soldiers to be noted in WWII movies. So neither of them is really out of line they're just a couple dudes talking shit and to spread this gossip column crap as if it is reality is to demean yourself and your family and friends, and possibly America or Jesus. -
DO The Right Thing is the only good film he has ever made. Malcolm X was alright, but nothing special. The rest of his films are just sub standard pap. Bamboozled was one of the worst films I have ever seen. Same with Summer of Sam, 25th Hour, Inside Man, Jungle Fever, Mo Better Blues. Spike Lee stopped being relevant around 1991. And I love how he thinks "shut your face" is a slave taunt about being on a plantation. What a fucking dope.
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the fact that Lee is a racist. Sure he is a really good film director. Hell the new movie he has coming out looks great but his mindset in the 21st century truly is lacking in judgment in some of the things he stills says. He's a racist asshole. End of story.
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AllPowerfulWizardOfOzTHE WHITE MAN IN POWER HAS SPOKEN!!!!
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SPIKE LEE:DOUCHEBAG
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How I feel about Spike Lee making real movies. Just another hollywood sellout.
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So you're saying that the entire verbal exchange between Spike Lee and Clint Eastwood vis a vis "Flags of Our Fathers" was made up? Spike Lee never accused Eastwood of racism, and Eastwood never told Lee to "Shut his face?"
The reason Clint Eastwood shows no blacks in his movie is because the movie is about the 6 men who climbed Mt. Suribachi to raise the flag on Iwo Jima, and none of them were black. Period. Spike Lee is an ignorant fool. -
Who knew the guy could direct a great, fun popcorn thriller with cops and robbers. He should do more.
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Jun 18, 2008 12:37:47 PM CDT
Plus, he should adopt the '1 for them, 1 for me' strategy,
by orbots commander
which is, make a mainstream type popcorn movie for a studio which make a lot of money, that would then allow a filmmaker to make whatever personal film of his that he wanted. For example, the Bourne movies have given Paul Greengrass the opportunity to make whatever movie he wants; ditto with Soderbergh and the Oceans movies.
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I liked Inside Man also for what it was, basically a skilled take on the hostage/bank heist genre.
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And burn the negatives of "Son of Sam" so the memory of seeing that turd is removed from my brain.....That was the last movie I walked out on, till the "Happening" this weekend. PS your commercials suck too Spike.
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Network name, claiming they were trying to cash in on his name. Because you know, when I hear Spike TV, I immediately think of Spike Lee, and want to tune in 24/7.Sorry Vern, the guy could be green-polka dot, he is a douche. Hope I didn't offend any green polka-dotted folk.
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Sam, the next door neighbor's dog, popping up in Mr Berkowitz's room and speaking, in John Turturro's distinctively hammy voice, "I want you to kill. KILL! KIIIIIILLLLLL" was priceless. Used to use it on my answering machine.
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I thought it was a weird story because Eastwood never acts like a beeyotch. BTW I love Spike Lee films, and I'm a white guy from Utah, so there.
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was the totally out of place orgy scene. fun to watch but made no sense to the movie. way to stereotype italians as perverts, you hate monger Spike,,,,
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Always thought that Spike was an immensely talented filmmaker who, much like Oliver Stone, badly needed an editor who wasn't afraid to say no to him, to keep the notoriously meandering plotlines from going to far astray. Inside Man was great - and prolly woulda been greater if they'd chopped out some of the irrelevancies (the videogame? What was the point?)
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...working my way up from the last post, mr. classy, i believe you mean _summer of sam_. you know, when you're dismissing someone's work out of hand, it helps to know what you're talking about. otherwise, you look like a ferocious dipshit without a single worthwhile thing to say. in this regard -- _she's gotta have it_. _do the right thing_. _jungle fever_. _malcolm x_ ("nothing special"?!?!? the other american director capable of that would be, WHO? clint? ...). _clockers_ -- i think this is his best. _get on the bus_. _bamboozled_ -- his most underrated. _4 little girls_ AND _when the levees broke_, two of the most important documentaries of the last decade, even acknowledged the latter would have been much better with led zeppelin on the soundtrack. _25th hour_. _inside man_. these are all REALLY good films. name me someone else working today with something even APPROACHING that track record, outside of clint or marty. yeah. i didn't think so. yes, he's arrogant, prickly and the first major black mainstream filmmaker who stayed at it (as opposed to gordon parks, etc.). every racist moron on this post who wants an excuse to hate spike will have to try harder. or shut their faces. guess which one i'd prefer...
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I honestly don't remember him being portrayed as anything but the shirt-unbuttoned-too-many-buttons-with -too-many-chains-and-that-stupid-little-spoon stereotype. Now that i think about it, Adrien Brody workin it at a gay stripclub was truly ... odd as well. Like I said before - Spike desperately needs an editor who isn't in awe of him and willing to say "How does this move the story forward, Spike?"
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...i'd travel to the end of all mankind/
and there I'd find a brother (no racialist pun intended) of mine/we'd travel through space/on his crystal ship" etc....spike needs to cast both casey and his brother. salame! -
Denzel hugging the gravestone in He Got Game is one of the more tragically unappreciated iconic images in film in the last 15 years. For that matter, his usage of Aaron Copeland's music really was an inspired move. And yeah - his oeuvre ranks up there with just about anyone in the past 25 years - totally agree. BTW - just to play Devil's Advocate - James Cameron is a megacock by almost anyones standards - why isnt he eviscerated for his overweening arrogance every time his name gets mentioned?
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Maybe you should contact John Leguizamo instead?
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Thats cause he's the mutha fucking king of the world?
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Although I will say that Mr Cameron seems not quite as magnetically drawn to the camera to display his assholicity.
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( you know, the Jews ) for holding him down, and trying to shut him up?
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First, "Do the Right Thing", where he artificially sets up Malcolm X's ideas, at their most militant, against Martin Luther King's at his most inclusive. Then spends the movie portraying the militant X types, like Radio Raheem, as cool and brooding, and the King types as silly and stupid. That he's doing this flies under the rader of most people because he isn't aiming it at the educated, but at the uneducated, disaffected, urban black crowd, who easily understand that it's better to be cool, brooding and badass, like Radio Raheem, than to be skinny, with high squeaky silly voices, like the black kids in the pizza place who are squealing "Why can't we all just get along!".
The same audience was targeted with Son of Sam. Lee didn't even have to point out to these people that the serial Killer Sam Berkowitz was WHITE and JEWISH both. They got it.
And even a commercial flick like "Inside Man", which overtly offers the message that blacks and Jews should unite together against the evil White Man, uses that overt message (and the revealed Jewish identity of the lead bank robber) as a cover for the racism-as-entertainment included in the film, as when the lead bank robber beats up and humiliates a Rabbi and a screechingly annoying stereotype of a New York Jewish woman. Imagine if you will (and it isn't racist to do so) an inner-city movie theater showing this to a crowd of black youth, and the hooting and hollering and applause during those scenes. Lee is deliberately playing to that crowd.
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It isn't his comment on Eastwood's work. It's certainly not his own work. But here's why Spike Lee is a jackass: his retort when Eastwood said "He should shut his face".Lee responds with "We're not on a plantation."So, someone tell me how that's not an totally fucking asswipe statement? How the implication "we're not on a plantation" is nothing more than childish bullshit coming from a man who is obviously more mature than that by testament of his work in making important films? He sinks to the bullshit level of an actual non-sequitur and thus destroys his entire point but yet somehow I'm supposed to believe he's what? Eastwood's victim? 100% correct? Bullshit. He's right about his statement on Eastwood's work but even then not 100%. Many of you are writers or would like to be...would you be ok with me dictating how you write in any way, ever? Even if it was a biography about you, an AICN Talkbacker, you do not get to dictate how or what I write. Sue me if you want, try to stop me if you can, but no stifling or removing my creative freedom just because you fucking say so!But no, Lee can dictate to Eastwood what he should put in a movie or, if not, then somehow Eastwood is the asshole?You cannot dictate creativity to someone else without being a fucking wannabe mini-tyrant douchbag! What Lee should have said was: "Well, it might be fine for Eastwood to tell me to 'shut my face' but is it not an issue that many films, war films in particular, fail to show the contribution and sacrifices made by Black Americans? Eastwood is correct that, apparently, none of the soldiers that lifted the flag at Iwo Jima were black but there were many black soldiers there and I didn't see even one in his whole movie? I don't mean to dictate his work or talent but it would be nice if the premier filmmakers of our times actually paid attention to history and then reflected that history in their 'historical and non-fictional' works."But that's not what he said was it? What he said was "Sorry whitey! I'm not your slave!!! The civil war is OVER!! The North won!! We freed the slaves in case you didn't notice! So take your racist ass on back home!!"Granted, that's hugely extrapolating and exaggerating but to me, that's basically sums up the context of what he said. Racism has nothing to do with it....asshole comments made for no reason other than to get other assholes to scream and cry about bullshit injustice when real injustice goes on and on and no one pays any attention cause we're so busy shitting eggrolls over the 'media-friendly' bullshit injustices. (watch 'Hart's War' to get a really good take on our treatment of Black Soldiers here and abroad. It's fictionalized non-fiction but the context is not and the actual instances of tragic racism is likely true...American black soldiers coming home from the war couldn't eat in 'white' restaurants but expatriated German soldiers, who were considered the enemy only months before, were allowed to eat in those 'whites only' restaurants. That is what is totally fucked up. Not what Eastwood *said* to Lee. Not even close.
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This Time traveler guy is cool. He's come up with a convincing theory using lasers; criss crossing lasers. Problem is you can only go back as far as the time the machine was built.
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by David Gerrold. Now THAT is unfilmable.
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regarding this comment: "Well, Vern, if Spike Lee wants to make a WWII movie populated with black actors, why doesn't he do it? I know why, a major studio would never greenlight him to shoot a movie with a huge budget because they know enough people know that he is a racist and do not want to pay $20 at a movie to be called a racist for 2 and a half hours." You should probably watch the trailer for Miracle At St. Anna when you get the chance, then post a retraction...
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I like Spike Lee. I haven't liked every film he's made, but I've enjoyed and been moved by most of them. He's prickly, I agree, but also thoughtful, opinionated, and makes you think. People who don't like him disagree with me about this, I'm sure, but oh well. I'm glad Lee doesn't please everyone.
Three points:
1. Dr. Ronald L. Mallett, contrary to a what two talkbackers above wrote, is NOT white. From Amazon.com: "Mallett, one of the first African-American Ph.D.s in theoretical physics, has lived under the shadow of his father's death since he was 10. His struggles with poverty, racism and depression, coupled with his extreme drive to succeed at building a time machine and so see his beloved father again are inspirational."
2. Reading the introductory pages of Mallett's book, it strikes me that Spike Lee could craft a powerful, very moving story with this. I'm intrigued.
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...if it is not accurate, there are people who will contact those involved, or make it known to the media that the portrayal was not accurate. This can be anything from a biographical film to a historical drama. And Spike did just that, he mentioned that black veterans who served in the war were upset that they did not feel represented by Clint's film. So in that regard, I do think Clint's retort of "he shut should his face" was pretty childish and personal. I've never heard someone respond to their detractors that way. Not even someone as brash as Oliver Stone has to my knowledge responded to the critics of his historical films that way, and he has many vocal critics. And the people who seem to be most pleased with Clint's remarks are the ones who already claim to hate Spike for many reasons, and some even want to commit violence towards him as evidenced in this talkback and the previous one. Its both childish and clearly, very personal for those of you who hate him. Movies and discussions about race seem to make many people very uncomfortable and even angry, and these people want to keep insisting that there is no race problem and the world is a vastly different place now and everything is equal and good, but one can just read this talkback to see that race problems are alive and well in America, and therefore there will always be a niche for any director who wants to ask those uncomfortable questions about race.
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Because he makes a lot of films, he is good?
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rent "25th Hour" and then say that. I dare you.
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The only reason things are different than they were 100 years ago is because there were people brave enough to be vocal even when people were shouting them down or telling them to shut their faces. Thats the thing. The people who are most hateful towards Lee seem to want to sweep race under the carpet and not deal with it as if that will make it go away, but it won't. It takes people to bring it up and keep examining it until it has changed completely, and by your own admission it hasn't. And even if Obama is elected president, that will not mean that America is magically free of racism. If he wins, it will likely be by a margin between 50 to 60%. It would be a huge milestone and would mean progress continues to be made, but it wouldn't end there.
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That's right, you're not. I'd say the same thing about several other filmmakers as well if you claimed they had no talent. I can pick out any film he's made and showcase to you the nuances and depth each one has, critically acclaimed or no.
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this is one of the most depressing talkbacks I've ever seen. South Park has brainwashed the last generation to completely ignore history and pretend that everybody is on an equal playing field. If you can get over all the contexutual shit in your own life, then good for you, but don't pretend everybody's got to be as enlightened as you are. If you were the only black guy in Hollywood that was able to build a career around making films that honestly portrayed the complexity of race in America i bet you would be pretty cynical about white people too.
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Brunomac.. take it easy. "25th Hour" was one of Lee's greater successes, starring Ed Norton and Philip Seymour Hoffman. It most definitely was NOT straight-to-DVD, since it earned a few Satellite and Golden Globe awards. Plus it did fairly well at the box office.
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will start after the Nov elections.
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Eh, buddy I went to film school, and work as Final Cut Pro Editor , the dude doesn't have that much talent. I have seen about 4 of films, and honestly they look like they were shot on Super 8 film. The guy does not know how to build tension, likable characters, or be subtle with his themes.......I know some assclowns will now call me a racist, but I call it like it see it. Now fuck off.
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Barry Pepper's performance was a tour de force in the film. I was shocked by it.
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ace ending, from now on every time i finishing speaking or writing I will end with "Now Fuck Off". Now fuck off.
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Jun 18, 2008 3:19:53 PM CDT
"Only black filmmaker able to make a career around..."
by jackrabbitslim
racism etc. Considering there are ... well.... zero gay filmmakers able to "make a career" surrounding the blatant hostility towards homosexuality, I think he should be keeping things in perspective. And funny how it used to be "only black filmmaker" ... well, can't say that anymore with mediocre talents like Antoine Fuqua and Clark Johnson getting megabudgeted films greenlit along with the mediocre whites. Congratulations for that dubious honor.
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Though i remember at the time the notorious Ed Norton "fuck you" rant being strangely similar to the Holden Caulfield rant in Catcher in the Rye - then read an interview with the screenwriter who confirmed Mr Salinger was an inspiration for it.
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I love how there has to be some test, accomplishment, or ambiguous merit passed before people...tb'ers or whoever...can actually critique something. Lee criticized Eastwood and Eastwood told him to blow it out his ass (basically) and then Lee implied Eastwood was racist making Lee a fucking asswipe. I don't care if he was Hitchcock or Uwe fucking Boll. You act like a douchebag and you're in the public eye, you should be called out as being a douchebag. He can be a talented douchebag or an untalented douchebag...you can decide on that...but the fact remains...for baiting Eastwood or implying he's a racist, Lee paints his own prejudice on his sleeve for all to see....and apparently, ignore. Lee is as much a victim of Eastwood's racism as Hillary is a victim of Obama's sexism...but that doesn't stop a bunch of anti-geniuses from going batshit on the horrible injustice of false-racism and false-sexism potentially reducing the societal impact of REAL racism and REAL sexism when it occurs (think 'the boy who called wolf'). And these people are fucking *supposed* to be smart to some extent right?And yes I saw 25th Hour...good movie but didn't make me shit in my hands or chop off my pinky or anything. And oh my god is Anna Paquin beautiful and crazy-hot in that fliq...but anyone looking knew that already!!!
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Tim fucking Story. How in Gods name did that hack get to direct TWO FILMS!!
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Remember his rant in Cannes when he lost the Grand Jury Prize to David Lynch? Jumping up and down like a little bitch, yelling he was robbed....like he deserved it more than any one else did. Lynch is the man. Now fuck off.
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Jun 18, 2008 3:26:50 PM CDT
Besides his sister Joie - name the actor in most Spike movies
by jackrabbitslim
That would be John Turturro, in at least 7. And looking at that list, I'm disgusted no one of obviously Eastern European background has been in any of his films more than once. I kid already. We Polish-ancestored folks have only one famous director - that kiddie-raper Polanski. And that guy who did the Red White and Blue movies - Krstof Kryslewski or somesuch - which were fuckin boring btw.
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Fuqua and Johnson haven't made a film that is actually about something. They have made boring by the numbers genre films with the exception of Fuqua's work on Training Day and Johnson's impressive direction and acting on episodes of The Wire.
Singleton has had a much broader career but with mixed results.
Spike is the only black director working who has been able to make films HIS WAY.
To this day it amazes me that he was able to pull off releasing She Hate Me (a flawed but fascinating film.)
In a recent interview Spike said the film industry doesn't have its Duke Ellington. And it was clear to me by that statement that he does not think of himself as that filmmaker which shows a great deal of modesty.
The fact is black americans/film enthusiasts/fellow filmmakers don't have our george lucas, kubrick or spielberg.
And that is not the fault of black filmmakers.
I know for a fact that there are many black filmmakers trying to make films in Hollywood that are different and original that the studio executives pass on simply on the basis of race.
While there are people like Tim Story working on films like Fantastic Four...The same kind of director will not be able to make a movie like Frank Miller's Give Me Liberty for example or Whoopi's great bio find "Destined To Witness" about a black child growing up in Nazis germany.
The last truly great "black film" was the Hughes Brothers From Hell. It was a brilliant film because they were able to deal with the inner city, prostitution, crime, poverty and corruption in a way that meshed with mass audiences. We need more films like that. But seeing how the Hughes Brothers haven't made another film since I think that should tell all of you alot about how fucked up the film industry is to minority talent.
In other words...Cut Spike some slack.
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When people say we need a dialogue on race, what they really mean is "Let's criticize white people some more." No one who wants a "dialogue on race" actually wants anything of the sort. They don't want to talk about the disintegration of the black family under Democrat policies of the last 40 years, or how Democrats run all the ghettoes and keep them as ghettoes. They don't want to talk about race hustling blackmailers like Sharpton. They never want to talk about how black people can help themselves.
It's all about how whites have kept them down, and how whites will help them up. Self hating white people are so full of themselves and their own nobility. We have the Obamas, two self hating yuppies who do "fist bumps" in public so people know they're "from the street" and not sell outs to whitey.
So all of you can take your dialogue on race and shove it up your asses. None of you are interested in the facts, just in castigating white people who had nothing to do with slavery. If you say affirmative action hurts minorities by placing them in situations they're not suited for, you are a racist. If you say welfare robs people of their ambition, you are a racist. If you say it is preferable to have a mother and father in the house, you're a racist. Look what happened to Cosby for crying out loud. Do me a favor, anytime someone talks about wanting a "dialogue on race," punch them in the fucking face and say "here's what I think of your one sided MONOlogue!" -
Everyone is entitled to it. Everyone is also allowed to speak their mind also against said comments. Many Spike lovers think that if you disagree with him then you are a racist. Pretty sad when that is all they have to go with. I think Spike is pretty darn good director. But that is it. He really seems to have a chip on his shoulder and is immature. He really needs to grow up.
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hates white SuperHeroes.
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Jun 18, 2008 3:49:40 PM CDT
"...or how Democrats run all the ghettoes and keep them as ghett
by gavdiggity
do you have some examples of this?
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Christopher Nolan "The Master Of Mediocre Cinema"? Dickblood, he's one of the best directors working and he's almost singlehandedly saving genre films as we know it.
RE: Your F. Gary Gray Comment:
Gray recently noted that his biggest influence as a filmmaker is Frederico Fellini.
None of that shows up on screen.
What you need to be asking yourself is...
...Why?
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please use "european-american".
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Power to the people DANNYGLOVERS DICK!
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I finally got to watch the "Orphanage" the other day on my big screen HTDV. Watching the scene were the paranormal investigators are recording and watching the pyschic medium take readings of the house, I though to myself "now this is a well put together scene". The pacing, the camera movement, the graceful switches between watching the action thru night vision monitors and the regular camera, etc...
I don't recall every thinking something similar watching a Spike Lee film. Nothing wows me. Now Fuck Off. -
Some HGTV remodeling shows have hot chicks on them. I tap the hell out of the design on dime and the sweat equity chicks. Now fuck off.
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I heard the This American Life story as well as on Coast to Coast AM. It's a really interesting story and could be a terrific film. Spike Lee has the talent to deliver a great movie out of this subject. I don't follow what he does in the media, how he's behaving at ball games or any of that... just looking at his recent films (and I haven't seen them all) he's tackling a variety of different subjects and styles... it seems to fly in the face of the one note characterizations of him.
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Off to you tube for me now.
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fassbinder79 - Chris Nolan is saving genre film? How? Memento was an overrated gimmick. Insomnia was terrible. Batman Begins was an abomination. The Prestige was so unrelentingly boring and uninvolving. The guy has not made one good movie. Gotta go with the Dickblood on this one.
gavdiggity - Look at all the major cities with major crime problems and ghettoes in the 70's and 80's. What political party dominates those cities? Republicans? I think not my friend. All the worst ghettoes and crime rates are in Democrat run cities. New York only got cleaned up once a Republican took office. So of course Giuliani was called a racist for making the city livable again.
Dickblood - that is part of what I meant. My main point is that neither party really cares about the poor, be they white, black, Spanish, etc... But Democrats pretend like they give a shit when their policies only serve to keep poor people poor. They make excuses, they love to play the victim card. At least Republicans are upfront about how much they hate poor people. That's one thing people don't get. Republicans are not racist, they are classist. But the very same people who call for a dialogue on race are the same ones who call Cosby a race traitor and a sell out for merely speaking the truth. -
Fucking great movie. I hope that director gets something meaty for his next project.
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Pale imitation of the rant sequence in the middle of Do The Right Thing. Spike Lee has nothing new to say. Blew his load in 1989. Been treading water ever since.
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Heard that director was working on a horror film. The Orphanage is how you build a story and deliver a film climax folks. Oh DannyDick Blood, School Daze looked WORSE than 16mm. that is why I send Super 8, probably Kodacrome cheap shit. Now Fuck Off.
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NPR had a great story on this guy. I'm pretty sure it was on This American Life.
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In South Africa today the Chinese "south africans" won the same rights as blacks. During White rule the Chinese in South Africa were classified as "colored" persons. After the Blacks took over the Chinese again became second class citizens under Black rule. Today the SA courts ruled that Chinese were "Africans" and had the same rights as Black Africans. So here in the USA do we now call them Chinese-African-Americans if they move here?
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Okay, point taken. However, it seems simplifying the issue down to party lines is oversimplfying it. This article: http://www.usnews.com /articles/news/national/2008/06/11/crime-rates-shown-to-be-falling.html would make it seem that there are a LOT of factors that cause trends in crime. Also, what about black democrats like Cory Booker and Shirley Clarke Franklin? Are you suggesting they put party ideologies ahead of the interests of the black citizens of the towns where they're mayor?
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now fuck off.
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this article: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/ rudy_the_crime_buster.html shows that the crime rate in NYC was falling BEFORE Rudy took office, and continued to fall after he was out.
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KInda of funny since he has been collecting 6 figure checks from Nike and Disney for years now. Wonder how well off he would be in Nigeria or Rwanda?
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Now Fuck Off.
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Heard it on Art Bell so it must be true.
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I will peruse those articles later when I have the chance. And didf you live in NYC pre-Giuliani and then post-Giuliani? Doesn't sound like it. It's not just about crime rates, it's about quality of life, it's about not having crackheads infesting the great parks of the city. And yes, not having squeegee men around. Giuliani cleaned the city up, and for that I am grateful. I'm not a fan of his otherwise, too much of a fucking weirdo and I don't like the way he handled his divorce. Plus, he has man hooters. But to try and deny what the man did to NYC is to engage in the worst sort of revisionism. You don't get tons of shit from the dominant political machine in the city if you're not doing something right.
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"Chameleon Street" was a very interesting movie, then he dropped off the face of the earth. I'd definitely recommend this to anyone who liked 'Catch Me If You Can' Has anyone else seen this one?
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AVID has an elegant interface and is very editor minded. Final Cut is for jerk-offs editing their home movies. The interface is ugly as shit and it was obviously designed by someone who never edited a fucking thing in their life. Real non-linear editors use AVIDS. Tis why it is still the dominat editing program for Hollywood. Most high end editing facilities and networks and studios use AVID almost exclusively. Sure, they have a few Final Cut machines around, but not for the heavy lifting. Just the media management alone on the AVID is light years ahead of Final Cut. And this is coming from an avowed Apple guy.
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What have we learned from this talkback?
Spike Lee is a racist because he's obsessed with how black people have historically gotten a raw deal.
Clint Eastwood's a racist because he didn't put any black people in a movie.
Spike Lee is also a racist because he called Clint Eastwood a racist.
Clint Eastwood is also a racist because he didn't like being called a racist.
Anyone who defends Spike Lee for questioning Eastwood is a racist.
Anyone who defends Eastwood for questioning Spike Lee is a racist.
Republicans are racist because they don't like affirmative action and welfare.
Democrats are racist because they do like affirmative action and welfare.
Hillary Clinton is a racist because she ran against Obama.
Obama is a racist because his former pastor is still upset about segregation.
Everyone in this talkback other than the person who happens to be making each post is a racist.
Then the next person calls that person a racist.
So everyone everywhere at every point in time is a racist?
Finally, equality! Dr. King would be so proud!
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if i don't like races i.e the derby or indie 500, does that make me a racist?
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back in '99 i saw George lucas gang rape an entire generation, dirty bastards keep coming back though, they love it.
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I've heard where "blacks" are offended that she considers herself to be African-American. At least she's from Africa.
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Now Eat My Fuck.
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you're right, I didn't live in NYC pre OR post Guliani. I'm not trying to say the guy didn't have anything to do with cleaning up the town or engaging in any kind of revisionism, I'm saying that pinning the rise of crime rates on the democrats (which I'm not) is an old sleight-of-hand trick that I've heard from republicans since I can remember. There's more in play than just what party a mayor belongs to.
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I had a friend in highschool who worked a movie theater. She came to school one time and said, "Ugh! Last night I caught this girl giving a guy a blowjob during 'The Beautician and the Beast'." And if it weren't for that story, I'm sure that I would have completely forgotten about the existence of the movie "The Beautician and the Beast" just like everyone else in the world.
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You're out of your element.
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Albiet it RACIST.
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...we'd have an interesting talkback discussing time travel. Racism is so 1900's.
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Actually Lee DID do a WWII movie about black soldiers, and he was doing a press conference about it, and that's why they asked him about FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS.
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Uhmmm... no.
"Rrrrrriight. Well first off-- if you were any good you would be cutting on an Avid. I edit on Final Cut Pro in my fucking garage for fun. So unless you're Walter Murch, you're not editing anything worthwile on Final Cut saves an HGTV remodeling show perhaps, which wouldnt really make you a viable candidate to judge the work of accomplished filmmakers."
Yeah, no one edits on Final Cut Pro -- *cough* --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb48e66JUNM
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Didnt know by black men. Only thing i (vaguely) remember was didn't her hubby (involuntarily) watch it?
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In reach of everyone. Adding after effects and apple motion with an HDTV 24fps panasonic camera and you can make some kick ass stuff. Sure Avid is used a lot in hollywood, but it is cost 10x as much. Plus in has been ingrained in that business for a long time. Kinda of like Quark in publishing. But you know what? Indesign kicks its ass.
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I heard this story and thought it was great on This American Life. Putting it in the hands of Spike Lee is like giving plutonium to at terrorist. Depending on where you allegiances lie, it's either madness or genius. I fall in the genius camp myself.
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is Spike's tendency to make Italians mafia connected at a much higher rate than they are in society - but thats like saying "movies put way more beautiful people than there are in reality." I'll say this for Mr Lee - he is as quick to criticize blacks for self-destructive behavior as he is to disparage white racist tendencies in his films. And I own em all cept 'Joe's Bed Stuy' and 'She Hate Me'.
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in 'Do the Right Thing.' Though its very cheap to criticize in hindsight and both turned out to be degenerate junkies - Clemens D-bollin and Gooden blowin.
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The man, in some ways, is a Luddite.
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how can you not like memento, batman begins and the prestige. honestly.
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Jun 18, 2008 7:13:03 PM CDT
"If I had a time machine, I'd go back in time and kill Lucas"
by finky089
"And make sure he had nothing to do with those prequels getting made". LOL really? Not stop an assassination or give yourself some lotto numbers or stop your dad from getting hit by your grandfather's car when he falls out of a tree after peeping on your teenage mom?
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...on the Discovery channel I believe. His work is pretty interesting, although, even his theory would never allow a human to travel through time, and traveling to the future isn't possible. Also,something can only be sent back to a past where, in that past, the time machine had already been built. Oh, and the same matter could never occupy the same space at the same time. Wait, that last rule was from Timecop.
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http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1169
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And 25th hour was still awesome. Fuck the Knicks.
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If you don't have a budget, what should you pick? For the best reliability and flexibility?
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That was a great post. I think it made me realize why CRASH actually is an amazing film. I can't believe I didn't realize it before. ;)
I'm not trying to defend Spike Lee but no one portrays Italians as mafia guys more than Italian directors. As far as Spike's movies go, I really liked CLOCKERS, SUMMER OF SAM, and 25TH HOUR. INSIDE MAN was pretty good too. But his problem is the race thing. I'd like to be able to think of him as just a director and not about his views. But all these years later, he still gets into it. The area he grew up in is very racist but the rest of the world really isn't like that. He should have noticed that by now.
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Spike Lee is an average director.
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Double check for spaces in the url; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul4iTFQOtJs
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Speaking of levees, the levees have once again been breached by the Mississippi today. The theory that the government may have blown up the levee during Katrina, while as yet unfounded, is not as "nutty" as you might think. In 1927 during the Mississippi flood, the government blew up the levees to flood the people in the poor parts of New Orleans to save the French quarter and the people in the wealthier parts of the city.
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is not a good idea, despite what you see in dr. who, unless they have some sort of cloaking/ holographic device that makes them appear white. go back more then 50 years and you're fucked. that goes for everywhere. hell go back one minute and you're still fucked.
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I don't think it would be wrong for his movies to all be about race, but they're not. You ever heard of SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, MO' BETTER BLUES, CROOKLYN, CLOCKERS, GIRL 6, HE GOT GAME, SUMMER OF SAM, ORIGINAL KINGS OF COMEDY, 25TH HOUR, SHE HATE ME (well, I haven't seen that one, but I'm guessin) or INSIDE MAN? I'm sure race comes up occasionally in those, because it is an issue that is important to him, and he's a filmmaker. But none of those are primarily about race, and some of them are primarily about white characters. And then there's DO THE RIGHT THING, MALCOLM X, 4 LITTLE GIRLS, GET ON THE BUS and if you want to count it as being about race, WHEN THE LEVEES BROKE. And surprise surprise, those are some of his best movies. You don't think he should've made those?
I would like to think we're as beyond race in this country as people claim, but then I read these talkbacks about Spike Lee and it's hard to believe that. Or I see the youtube video where the right wing group tried to slam Obama by editing clips of that reverend set to "Fight the Power"! DO THE RIGHT THING came out almost 20 years ago and these people are still scared of "Fight the Power." So I'm afraid we still have some work to do. -
Speaking of Louisiana... I'm from there myself originally. That's your theory as to why the dynamite was used at Caernarvon levee. You could also put forth the conspiracy that Herbert Hoover was behind it in order to ultimately use his handling of the camps, etc. (post disaster) to become President, etc.
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Truly one of the greatest figureheads of modern-day cinema.
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I imagine a world where the DIRTY HARRY and Sergio Leone box sets can co-exist with the DO THE RIGHT THING Criterion Edition. I call it "my apartment."
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You are quite right about what companies expect editors to know these days. What can you do, it is quickly becoming a young man's game. But I work as an AVID editor for a major network and get paid over 40 an hour, and I don't need to know any After Effects or anything. I love networks. They pay for graphics departments. Imagine that, paying graphics people to create graphics. All I need to know is how to import the damn thing, which is so easy. Even Avid Xpress Pro is better than Final Cut.
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Its not my theory of why the government blew up the levee with 30 tons of dynamite in 1927 during the flood causing the poor sections of New Orleans to be flooded...thats what actually happened. If you have a different theory regarding why the government did that, what is it? I'm just saying, you posted the video of Spike suggesting that it could have happened again during Katrina, as if he's crazy to suggest that, but its not altogether crazy because the government historically HAS actually done that. Then, rescue boats went in and only rescued the white women and children, and 13,000 blacks were stranded, and several blacks were forced at gunpoint to stay and help the relief effort. Hoover made promises to the black community for political reasons which he later abandoned altogether after becoming president. These aren't theories, this is history.
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It's going to be fantastic. Starring Denzel Washington as Malcolm X, Wesley Snipes as Blade and Charlie Murphy as Bucknasty (reprising his role from The Time Haters).
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I assume your an extraordinary director. I've made movies before, and can attest with the all certainty that Spike Lee is a phenomenal director. Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppala have all applauded his work. Go get a fuckin' job CujoFugate.
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that's a pretty interesting concept, right there. That immediately precludes the Grandfather Paradox - or is that only good for two generations after the machine was invented?
Time Travel.
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travel back in time to prevent myself from building a time machine.
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there was a black guy at the flag rising in WWII. He put one there! Now it makes sense.
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Vern for President! That's just the sort of concrete plan this country needs!
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should obviously be the title.
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You're leaving out one of Spike's early classics, School Daze. I don't know if many people could relate to the experience of attending and HBCU, but it covered so many aspects to authentically its breathtaking. If you havent seen it you should check it out.
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Yawn.
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... in Lord of the Rings. And why can't we have a black Superman? Rascist Hollywood.
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Bill Cosby. Why weren't there any white folk on the Cosby Show? Alvin was the closest thing to a whitey.
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It was pretty interesting.
Spike Lee is a hit or miss filmmaker who's films are always interesting even when they're not necessarily good. Although, I think he has more hits than misses and when he's good, he's very good. We need interesting filmmakers talking about race in complex ways. As Crash proved, it's not easy to do. -
Jun 19, 2008 9:36:53 AM CDT
He braffed, can we get along for a second to make fun of.....
by g-ride9000
M-O-M's 60 page breakdown on time travel??? It would take me less time and energy to build a time machine, go back in time and stop M-O-M's parents from procrating...or even better be come his grandpa, cause that only take 1-2 minutes for me! hehehehe
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TIME HATERS UNITE!!!!!
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Nice!
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Unless this site is full of posers, it appears everyone is in the movie biz but me. How the anti-Christ did I fall into human resources?And it's doubly depressing because we're now talking about time travel in a Spike Lee thread.Thanks for the props further up the thread, Danny. I get recognition from people I've never met but not my boss. Go figure.
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You know dude, I love me some spike lee. The Katrina doc made me cry like a lady. It seems the anger concerning Spike Lee and has permeated the every corner of this talkback. I think this guy can make any film he wants to. He's creative, has great scrips and acting, and his visual style is thoughtful and appropriate. Bring on the time machine movie.
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and I don't care. I'd much rather bitch from the sidelines. And all available evidence points to me having less talent than Eli Roth, so it isn't that surprising.
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Does this mean that Spike Lee is going to direct a Star Trek movie?
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about a black and white couple that have to deal with Herpes. It can be called "Jungle Fever Blister"
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because at one point jamaica was empty and africans showed up there, then does that make all Americans born in the us into Nordic-Americans since its been established that the Norse got here first? That would make blacks African-Nordic-Americans. Oh wait, the Spanish showed up long after the Norse packed their bags and left, so that would be African-Nordic-Hispanic-Americans. Unless you consider that even further back, Spain was very much thick with the French, so that would be African-Nordic-Hispanic-French-Americans. Now the question lies, who got to France first? If you want to skip hundreds of thousands of years and go right to the celts, you can, but that would be unfair to the Germans and the Romans. So to ensure equality to all, Blacks in the US should technically be called African-Nordic-Hispanic-French-Italian-German-Americans.
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Vern: I do agree with you that I'd like to see us all past race in this country..and most of our enlightened generation certainly is. But I have to respectfully differ on your take of Lee's films and the assertion that they're not racist. In Mo' Better Blues, his depiction of Jewish stereotypes amongst the two 'villains' was unreal...and no - I'm not Jewish nor particularly sensitive to racial stereotypes (Irish kid from CA here); but between that and the depiction of blue collar Italians in Do The Right Thing, he has demonstrated routinely a penchant toward embracing many of the stereotypes he claims to disavor. In 'The Inside Man', his portrayal of the 'caucasian' characters is almost routinely shaded in negativity. He shows tremendous sympathy for the African American detectives; a reasonable explanation of the Jewish 'robbers'; but then everyone else was simply shown in a mild to strong negative light. Certainly, some negativity is deserved and accurate - but his films never seem balanced in their view of life. And because of that, I just can't buy that he isn't somewhat racist. ALSO - go watch 'Hoop Dreams' again and listen to his speech to the potential recruits. The venom and race-tinged rhetoric of that whole moment left me incredibly sad and dissapointed.
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It is called race identity. Creoles, as an example, are totally misunderstood, sometimes ostracised by both black and whites. If there is a large enough group, they can create a culture. That's how Jamaicans came to be. People that look similar and have similar customs can call them selfs whatever they want. I'm a white American; not a Pinkish Tan Anglo-Sweed-Italian-African-Jew. Let the government make the stupid catagories and let every person you meat from now on explain their identity to you over beer.
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Saying that no portion of Egyptian population (now or historically) was/is black is plain ignorant. In fact many of the older (pre-Alexander) Dynasties were ruled by people that fit the definition of "black."Post-Alexander Pharaohs were of Greek decent. This includes Cleopatra. Prior to this time it was a mixed bag. (No pun intented.)And has the Arrow of Time debate been settled? I'm aware of some conjectures that state time travel is impossible but I haven't heard of anything more definitive.
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Time Travel: Einstein posited that travel through time (forward)is possible. Travelling backwards, not so much. But no one can state emphatically (And I direct that to M-O-M) that time travel in any direction is impossible. Not even Einstein. As for wormholes, they are theory, and please, when any arguments are presented using wormholes for travel in any direction (and they have been posited to be able to do just that), please state that they are just a theory. Declarative statements of fact, need to be backed up with the truth not merely conjecture that can be found perusing wikipedia. Ok, enough of the housecleaning. As to why a scientist or anyone for that matter would look into time travel, is pretty damn obvious. (I state this to Coughlins Laws) We would not be where we are today, if men and women who were told to stop dreaming about the impossible, did so. Having a desire from an early age to do something never done before, to applying yourself to learn about it, to become recognized as one of the best in your field as you continously strive to achieve what has been said to be impossible, is why we have men and women of greatness. If you can not understand that - regardless of the field of study -and there have been many great accomplishments and discoveries by scientists who are hyper focused from an early age, devoting their entire careers to finding a cure for a disease that afficts a family member, or a friend, or society, if you can not understand that, then you do not understand basic human motivation. Racism. Far too often this word is thrown around to accuse and abuse without a true understanding. If a Black person says somethimg bad about a white person, that does not mean they are being racist. If a White person says something bad about a Black person, that does not mean they are being racist. It could just mean they do not like one another. But we have become hyper vigilant at looking for the lowest common denominator - Black or White or Latino, or Asian, when it comes to using racism as a catchall to explain away any behavior that seems to fall out of the mainstream. Yes, racism does exist. Some in subtle forms, some overt. Some in these very TB's. Racism is not restricted to between races either, it can be in the races themselves. Meaning Blacks can be racist towards blacks, Whites can be racist towards whites etc. It is not a rarity. It is ignorance in any form though. As for Spike. He was, the darling of the indie set 20 years ago. Loved by more whites than blacks at first. Then he found his voice. It was to show the opposite side - the other side. The ignored side. Too often, all minorities had been pigeon holed or simply ignored by film makers. Just look at Star Wars. Do you know why Billy Dee was included in Empire? It was because Lucas was roasted, and deservedly so, for showing a future that only had Whites in it. Not even one Black fighter pilot. Do you know why Smits was included in the prequels? It was because Lucas was roasted, and deservedly so, for not showing any other minorities in the future. That was the reality that Spike was fighting against in his movies - once he found his voice. I do not like most of his movies, but I do respect the fact that he has a voice, and is not afraid to use it. He portrayed blacks and whites from a point of view rarely if ever seen on film. I think he is an egomaniac - like quite a few white directors, who sometimes needs to rely on input from others that he respects, instead of just his own judgement. But he has talent, and desire. And a point of view. Lastly, I thought Inside Man was overrated, but the Katrina Documentary, was amazing.
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CoC united!
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Thread #37068. Your friend posted a response...FREE XIPHOS!
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You are correct about my interchangeable usage of Theory and Hypothesis. I stand corrected on that. You however, are still posturing as if all scientific debate has ended on time travel, and that is ludicrous. It reminds me of a scientist who about 15 years ago said that 'we have discovered all the physics that can be discovered.' That is sheer hubris. And so is your assertion. We are trapped on a gravity well. Our furthest satellite has just now reached extra solar space. We are still infering from within a gravity well the existence of other earthlike planets. Yes, Einstein died in the 1950's, and science has progressed. 50 years from now, science will progress. Some things that we strongly believe to be true, will be proven false as our understanding improves. And the science evolves. You described the wormholes as if you knew how they worked, when they are merely a hypothesis, which is why I took exception to your description. But assuming wormholes do exist, there are hypothesis that suggest wormholes can be used for time travel in both directions. The debate is far, far from over. No scientific conclusions have been definitively made one way or the other.
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FREE XIPHOS!
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I don't even think that's true (see Vern's post above for a pretty decent breakdown), but even if it was, so what? Don't all artists/storytellers/etc. have themes that interest them, and don't they almost always come back to them again and again? The guy is black - of course race is going to be an issue for him. Why the fuck wouldn't it be? Female stories tend to interest female film makers, gay themes tend to interest gay film makers, and on and on and etc. Is this really a surprise to anyone?Anyway, I look forward to this Spike Lee time travel film, whether or not it features homicidal robots and/or Marty McFly. I like Spike Lee, so I'm almost always glad to see what he has to offer (fuck me, that Katrina documentary was incredible).
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Even on a theoretical level? Can you quote sources on this? My understanding is that the this issue was still up for debate as recently as a few months ago (peer-reviewed paper published in mid-2007.)I've currently searching through a few physics websites and I can't find anything that confirms your assertion.
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I would use it to see bands. That sounds a little lame, maybe, but that's what I'd do.I'd see The Ramones at CBGB, The Doors at the Whiskey, Led Zeppelin at Knebworth, Hendrix at the Isle Of Wight, The Stones in Hyde Park. I would see all of them and more.Unfortunately, I do not believe in time, let alone time travel, but it's a nice daydream, I think.
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I'm having a hard time understanding your assertion(s).
Even at a theoretical level, Are you asserting that a) time travel is impossible or b) time travel is getting less-and-less probable.IMO, these are two significantly different statements. I would agree with (b) but I would say the jury is out on (a). I know that many conjectures against time travel have been postulated but I haven't heard of anything more concrete than that announced in the GR/SM community. -
Hmmm.... I'm not sure if you just misunderstood what I wrote or that you are tryiing to play symantics. You do know that the Physics community publishes research in peer-reviewed journals? I'm talking about that. People who deal with General Relativity (GR) and the Standard Model (SM). Plain vanilla physics. Nothing "NEW" about them. The mainstream.Caveat: I'm not a Physicist but do try to following what's going happening in this community. That said, I've not seen nor heard of anything that supports your assertions. My understand that although the time travel is probably not allowed it has not been disproven.
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I would go back in time to add an edit feature to this site.
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I'd travel back to the week when Patton Oswalt opened for Bill Hicks.
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Actually, Time travel into the future has had some very plausible hypothesis. here is one: "Now let's say you want to do some time travelling. You board a spaceship and take off for deep space.
The ship approaches the speed of light. Time for you seems to pass as it always has. It takes you about five seconds to tie your shoe. But to an observer on Earth (assuming he or she could watch you), you are moving at a snail's pace. It takes hours to tie your shoe.
Anyway, you continue on your journey. You slow down, stop, and accelerate back to Earth. You arrive home. You have aged two years during your flight. Two hundred years have passed on Earth. You have successfully travelled forward through time." ? Here is a very, very simple equation that shows the disconnect between speed, distance and time. In a nutshell is shows that time and siatnce is not the same for all observers, and that opens up the possibility of time travel that has not been explained away- oh yeah, part of Einstein's relativity theory. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/think05.html And please stop saying that just because it is 50 years since Einstein's death we have learned so much that time travel is not plausible. A mere 30 years ago, plate tectonics did not exist. Today, it is one of the top five greatest discoveries of all time! New science emerges. And what seems knowable and impossible now, will not always be the case.
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" time travel and faster-then-light travel was always accerted as impossible to happen." I'm not interested in the FTL stuff, but I find the first part of this statement to be problematic. You assert that in the general scientific GR/SM community "time travel .... was always asserted as impossible to happen." Really? I've seen 'improbable' stated many times but never 'impossible.' Could you cite sources that this is the general opinion or are you simply asserting the assertion?
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Mallett will build the first time machine based on new laser technology. I really am impressed by the mans motivation. He knows he can't visit his dead dad but he really found a way to build a tima machine which ones turned on you can send messages back to the 'turning on' time. Think about the possibilities! This truly is a story for a good movie. And because it is a real one this is incredible.
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This statement of yours "Scientific knowledge has been gained exponentially. What we know today is the stuff that Einstein wouldn't dream of. for our body of knowledge we have today, Einstein is to us what Newton was to Einstein." Is precisley why I say that you can not make a definitive statement about the plausibility or implausibility of time travel. One hundred years ago, we could not have put a man on the moon. We could dream it, but it was technically impossible at the time. Many, many discoveries (most undreamed of) were required. I am not saying that everything dreamed of is possible in science, that ludicrous. But as to the time travel aspect (forwards) you nor anyone can not say it is impossible. And i think bobjustbob is abosolutley right about the 'improbable vs impossible' argument. You can not make those definitive statements.
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If my choice of traveling back in time makes no sense to you, you must not be familiar with Bill Hicks' and/or Patton Oswalt's comedy. Unless you're a Dane Cook fan, in which case, my reasons probably DOESN'T make sense.
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probably DON'T make sense." Goddamn no edit option...
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doesn't mean it won't be in the future. And I'm still looking for those damned IBM parts.
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"Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think. "The Internet is fun. It's a place where you can assert a Position of Authority which is nearly impossible to challenge. 'Nuff said.I'm going to see if I can find a talkback where I can make fun of Bay and/or Shyamalan.
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Implausible or impossible? It can't be both.Later!
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wins at the internets! Excellent quote.
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You seem to be getting bent out of shape on this. First of all I hold no romantic illusions on time travel.In fact, just the opposite. I truly detest time travel as a plot device in fiction (at least backwards) because of the paradoxes that it must needs create. At least the paradoxes understood by today's science. A far as travel into the future, it is not possible by today's standards. No argument there. But once again, it is you who seem to unable to grasp this specific point. Just because in 2008 we have knowledge that did not exist in 1958, it does not mean that we know all there is to know. It is pure hubris to assume we have acquired all of the knowledge of physics today and that no new discoveries can invalidate our current day knowledge. That is sheer lunacy as well. In your oen way, you are being just as closed minded as certain Churches in the middle ages were towards enlightened thinking. 'We know all that is to be known'. No, we do not. We know what we know today. And your explanation as to why the Moon argument is false, was no explanation at all. It was just, "extrapolation is wrong on all account,s " . Just because you say it, does not make it so. You really need to present facts to back up an argument, not personal conviction, that dissolves into hissy fit.
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The arguments against time travel are based in current theories, which are based upon observed phenomena. The reason some people feel confident in saying it is impossible is because any and all scientific understanding we have, it is. However, it's not impossible that a new theory that explains all the old phenomena and allows for time travel may be imagined. However, many current physical theories argue against time travel (at least into the past).
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Its all about the white generals and how they struggled with having to create a segregated squadron of fighter pilots. At no moment in my entire movie will an actual Tuskegee Airman be portrayed.
Then I will make a movie about the life of Micheal Moore and will cast only skinny people.
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Well, that explains it. I'm glad you took the time to point out that my reference was obscure. It's always nice to have someone comment on something that they have no idea about. I have to go now, as Mr. Banana Grabber is done with his visit to his analrapist and needs a ride home on my staircase (there's another reference I don't expect you to get- again, feel free to comment on not knowing what I'm talking about).
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Why did I come back? Please don't read “what I wish” into this. I’ve never stated “what I wish.” I'm certainly not being “romantic” over anything. I don't have a wish for time travel or FTL travel. I'm quite happy in the direction I'm traveling. (And the speed too.) I don’t know why you would even make such assumptions based upon my previous posts. I never stated I wished any of this. (Except for a silly joke about the lack of an editor. And that was a joke.)
My point is simple. You make assertions that seem to go against general opinion of the scientific community. I started this dialog because you stated that “EVEN ON A THEORETICAL LEVEL” time travel is impossible. This assertion surprised me. My understanding is that although there is much conjecture about the improbability of time travel it has not been completely ruled out. (Edge cases being edge cases.) I’m not talking about things traveling at relativistic velocities. I’m talking about potentially allowable geometries in General Relativity. Apparently some String Theory (uncomfortable using that term) geometries have similar edge cases. Are you familiar with these arguments? Do you have something of substance to argue against these geometries?
I’m simply questioning your assertion. I’m not even saying you are wrong. But simply repeating your assertion doesn’t answer the question. No offense intended, but “Because I say so” isn’t exactly a quality answer. I don’t know you. I don’t know from what position of authority you speak from. And you me. This is not about Star Trek, Star Wars, Wing Commander and any of that nonsense. Cite sources if you care to win me over. Or is that just a romantic dream? In that case, my previous Niels Bohr quote still applies.
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Very well said. I have noticed in other TB's that MOM tends to believe that he and only has the truth. He makes declarative, definitive statements - based mostly on subjective convictions, not unassailable truth, and can present a condescending attitude towards anyone who disagress with him. He has not been condescending in this TB at least not towards me, but then again, he never responded to my last post. I assume it because he decided he can not refute logic with hyperbole.
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Thanks for the heads up. I just wanted clarification on something that might be news (cool news even) to me. But now I feel I've fallen into a black hole. Would that be considered ironic?
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i'd go to the 60's and 70's, and 80's. best period for... anything really.
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Every now and then you will stumble across some very useful information in these TB'.s But you really have to have that filter on most of the time.
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Time travel is impossible? No. Improbable. Traveling at speeds faster than light impossible? No. Again, improbable. More sci-fi than fact to be sure but! Speaking as one who sounds as if he has read the field, you should know that both concepts have their mathematical, if exotic, equivalents. The real impossibility isn't traveling at speeds faster than light...its *accelerating* towards the speed of light or past it...that is impossible as described by special relativity (which you explained in detail). But it IS mathematically possible. And, in fact, there are measured, quantified particles that already do travel faster than light called tachyons. Check it out (don't take my word for it of course!). They actually can escape the inexorable pull of a "black hole".As to the issue of time-travel; the context of your perceived limitations goes off the notion of causality, I would think. An example - think of albino-man's answer to Guy Pierce "You cannot go back in time to save your wife because you would be removing the imperative to create the time machine in the first place....creating those pesty paradoxes we all know and love!". Basically, think of the "Back to the Future" scenario. This is absurd in even the loosest of scientific contexts. The notion of "fixing" something in time is absurd. The moment you went back in time you would never be able to return (think Heisenburg uncertainy principle) and conjecture runs from it's suicide to its death for the universe (how many fractures can the universe sustain? You know what Schroedinger said...I think that's far more likely than a simple, linear universe) but my guess is we will be able to have time *viewing*; which, as neat as it might be to see what Christ looked like it would also mean the end of privacy as we know it. Going back in time also violates the first law of thermodynamic by inverse...nothing is created or destroyed meaning the mass of the universe is constant...a time traveler would upset that constant even if only instantaneously and in a discreet manner. But does that mean the universe would explode? Or that, like classical physics, when confronted with super velocities or microscopic particles, doesn't break down and require a more exotic physics? Like relativity? Prior to relativity, we did not have the "tools" to understand aspects of the universe we likely wouldn't have believed possible. With our current "tools" we can barely conceive of time travel, worm holes, superluminal travel...but all it takes is a new set of "tools" and those will be archaic concepts as we move on to the next "impossibilities". The reality is we know nothing of the universe and physics; it is the unknown and how is that remotely quantifiable? We have no UT, no overall concepts that give us further insight beyond the pieces we've discerned over the centuries. Granted, our understanding of science goes beyond a simple emotion "you just can't do that!" backed by evidence but I put forth that it is still colored by a cynicism at worst or a potentially zealous skepticism at best. How can you be so self-assured to think that us, an abundantly, clearly infant species in terms of age, can somehow, with our mere few hundred years of higher science, make absolute statements such as "you can never travel backwards in time" or "you can never travel faster than the speed of light". Especially if you consider yourself a scientist!! One paradigm cancels the one before it. It happened with steam engine and the combustion engine. It happened with the dirigible and airplanes and my guess is it will happen again and again. And it will likely happen again in ways we can only imagine, provided we don't believe that we've already got all the answers so we may as well stop thinking and discovering. The correct response is, with out current technology and understanding of physics, these concepts are beyond our capabilities; our understanding of the foundational mathematics underlying them lead us to believe them impossible. But yet we've got concepts like the Einstein-Rosen bridges and devices that actually and successfully seek the presence of 'faster-than-light' tachyons. I also assume you've heard of zero-point energy...to be sure...you could be right...we may never get past the speed of light and traveling to any time but the present is impossible (I would put forth that traveling to the past would be far more easier than the future...if the future exists already...that brings up a whole new set of arguments and theories and challenges, fate, destiny...etc...
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But apparently I’m not a very clear writer. I’m not trying to change anything. I’m trying to understand if your assertion has merit. Based upon your responses I can only assume that:
1) I’m not being clear in what I’m asking
2) You are unwilling to clarify your assertion
3) You are unable to clarify your assertion
Clarifying your assertion means to do more than restate your assertion. Cite reputable papers, books, Physicist, websites, etc that validates your assertion. Otherwise I have to weigh what you say against my understanding of the science community’s general opinion. And that’s no contest.
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(this is a serious question), might I ask what you do for a living, or where you have learned about physics? Are you a student of mathematics or something?
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carry on.
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can be verified by the number of times he procures one of my whores from the pristine fuckin' stables of the Gem. Granted, they offer many affordable services that include the suckin' of his prick. However, he seems to have no further fuckin' inclination than degenerate tit licking.
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...the larger picture (bear with me). Details and concepts can be discussed forever. Even 'scientists' do not understand the Scientific Method! It is like these modern debates over evolution without even actually discussing anything, much less science fact within science fiction or superstitious nonsense (a friend was surprised when I called his "The Sun is made of Lemon Jello" a *valid* scientific hypothesis immediately dismissed as nonsense but a hypothesis none the less...even if not really backed up by what we might call 'empirical observation'!). The point isn't what we know but how we know. My notion is you cannot speak scientifically in terms of absolutes, things which we have no real understanding of presently. You can run the gamut of exotic physics literature and the one theme you should always find, must always find, is this underlying theme that we cannot measure what we do not know so an absolute statement is unscientific with regard to these 'fringe' topics. Like the singularity that we can only measure by inference. We can also only measure the presence of extrasolar planets by that same, albeit infinitely smaller, inference of gravitational effect; but then what else could it be if not planets? If not black holes? Why so impatient to have an answer? It may take ten lifetimes to learn! I've read quite a bit and have also been a pure astronomy/science nerd since long before it was 'kewl' to do so but what has always bothered me is the business approach to science by giving absolutes based on current knowledge. In the realm of exotic physics, speaking in absolutes, to me, can color your approach and, ultimately, your scientific curiosity. How is that ever a good thing in the realm of discovery?
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I must admit that your understanding of physics in general and General Relativity in particular is simply stunning. But in a bad way. At least you given me some good chuckles today. For that I thank you. Really.
But now it's with very deep regret that I have to send you forever into the black hole that is my virtual killfile. Say "Hi!" to Schwarzchild for me!Bye Bye!!!! -
I forgot all about that guy. He sure makes some pretty impressive assertions. The Romantic in me wants it to be true!!!!!
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I'm here aren't I? What more proof do you need? Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go back into hiding.
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and partake in many of them orgies they keep mentioning. i'd imagine it was pretty casual, you'd be going at it, and the mailman would enter through the curtains to bring the mail.
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that this talkback has discussed Spike Lee, racism, overly technical details about time travel theory, and overly technical instructions for non-linear editing, and almost all of these things are on topic! I would like to give this talkback a special ribbon.
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...only and the math worked. Now they have been proven to exist by observation.I like most of Spike's movies and I too find his occasional race baiting (and inverse black hole sized ego) a bit grating. Nonetheless, I'm looking forward to this as I do all his flicks.
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Any scientist...or science enthusiast...who states out of hand "This is impossible" with regard to exotic physics is simply not a scientist or has any grasp of scientific paradigm. Or is simply letting his or her ego get in the way of discovery; which cannot flow freely with preconceived notions of 'impossible'. Call it semantics if you will; I'll call it what it is, bias.Edison is considered one of the greatest American scientists in some circles but did he understand the scientific method? Trying to disprove Tesla by electrocuting an elephant is not remotely scientific; he was more concerned with his ego and being 'right' than the real science of whether or not DC power was better than AC power for civil infrastructure and development (obviously Tesla was right).I won't presume to label you as you attempted to label me; anymore than I'll recite a bunch of alphabet soup, or reference books I've also read, to back up my point. However, I must say that if you've never come across this cynicism masquerading as skepticism in scientific circles then you might not be as well read as you imply or you are less judgmental about "scientists" making claims with no basis in science other than the current set of knowledge; which, by definition, is somewhat static and insufficient to answer the questions that arise when discussing the fringe fields in exotic physics.
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I think it is sometimes less understood by the scientists in the field than by the 'right of the bell curve apex' laypersons. At least it would seem that way on occasion with some of the statements I've read and some of the people I've worked with. Of course they "use" it but I think they also loose sight of it being more than simply a mechanical process along the way. You claim to have a significant understanding of the scientific method yet you imply that our current knowledge is sufficient for understanding enough about subatomic particles and super velocities that you can state, out of hand, that the more exotic scientific hypotheses are simply impossible. You haven't mentioned that you have even performed one instant of empirical research yet you "know" it's impossible. You take the information others have discovered and use that as evidence for your 'belief' and you may very well be right! But you also may be wrong. Ahh yes! The very essence of the purpose for the scientific method! Let's test and gather evidence! If what we have today doesn't prove it's possible, how is it scientific to say it will never ever be possible in the future? With our ever evolving understanding of mathematics and its applications to these exotic fields?Prior to Newton (and others) and the development of calculus, there was no such thing as wave equations and thus no tools to approximate, for example, the relative positions of sub-atomic particles. We had only hypothesis and conjecture; now we can approximate, with ever increasing accuracy, the actual position of those particles in relative space-time. Heisenberg is still right of course (nothing to disprove him yet!), but damn are we close! Biology itself was nothing more than "this is a toad, this is a bird, kingdom, phylum, etc" so many decades ago, Now we've got Krebs cycles, genetic DNA mapping, potential for cloned organs and blood. Nothing remotely possible 60-70 years ago. You want to be one of the 'cynics' who has to eat his words in an indeterminate future?From Kittyhawk to the moon, in one person's lifetime.Don't stand in the way of science, embrace the possibility while using the scientific method to ensure your veracity, accuracy, repeatability, and, ultimately, the final theory itself.To not accept both of those possibilities without "conclusive" evidence is not scientific. Moreso, this "conclusive" evidence is not something that is likely even possible with regard to disproving the possibility of time-travel or faster than light travel. Sometimes, I think, a scientist can be so entrenched in books and articles...so bound up with facts and equations that he or she can fail to appreciate the beauty and grace underlying the scientific method. The scientific method has evolved from being the primary 'tool' of science to being a philospophy to me; a 'tool' is only its most meager use and contribution. To me it is a template for most all human discourse outside of martial concerns (can't have experiments where failure means people die). You can obviously use it for far more than just science and if politicians actually paid attention in science classes as opposed to questioning when they'd ever use it, we might actually have reasonable discourse! Instead we get people coming to the "discussion" with their minds made up and not even a remote chance of listening. This is not scientific to me; and it certainly has nothing to do with the scientific method.
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..as what we must be for first is the science and not ourselves. No apology necessary to me or anyone else I think!Semantics are, unfortunately, important. We've seen movie after movie, book after book, talking head after talking head. All speaking 'scientifically' when actually speaking right out of their asses! Think of Global Warming as a perfect example. Very difficult to analyze in the context of the scientific method as the atmosphere, with its myriad of variables, and the time involved does not lend itself to a closed system thus messing up validity. Not to mention the sheer lack of repeatability on any large scale. But yet there is "fact" and "lies" all over the place. Goold ol' cognitive dissonance!Sometimes we have to maintain diligence with basic knowledge...the scientific method is larger than all of us. Like some of the wording in the Constitution and DoI, these are ideas and notions that transcend time and society (to me, the establishment of the scientific method is akin to discovering how to make fire or create electricity, simply revolutionary and in far more than just science alone!).
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Please... make it stop...
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My my...and this is somehow worse then those ridiculous political talkbacks? Hey! I've got a great idea for how you, Knuckelduster, can 'make it stop'! Go to a different TB! This TB isn't even front page anymore; you've got to seek it out anyway so it's up to you! Imagine that!! Problem solved and it didn't even cost a dollar!MoM, don't get me wrong...I don't mean to sound harsh against you personally. I just get really defensive and usually overprotective about science lately and mostly because very unscientific people with anti-scientific ideas are working very hard at apparently dismantling it and/or changing the rules to force acceptance of unfounded superstition and other random, unfounded nonsense. And the whole time they keep calling it science and it just pisses me off! So my apologies if some of that zeal carried over into this TB.I do think that the SM is more than just a invaluable tool as it has a built-in integrity and process for eliminating (attempting anyway) human bias. It's not perfect, to be sure, but I think it is representative of a 'universal truth' if such a thing can be argued to exist. The 'truth' being that only evidence and experimentation elicit answers...not 'gut' feelings or even highly-informed 'opinions'.The consistency and veracity it ensures are incidental when compared to it's denial of human conjecture (invariably biased) as valid theory *without* evidence to support the hypothesis in the first place.We might not agree on aspects of modern physics but we both appreciate the context and methods of Science with a capital 'S'. And no worries on the grammar/length...I fancy myself a writer (fiction) and tend to be a little verbose...plus with no editor much less an 'edit' button, I think length and grammar are minor concerns!
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because Wikipedia's article is titled GLOBAL WARMING and not Global Climate change (lol).
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deftly carved from dreams the words the mimes blade create form reality
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Been doing it for years :)
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