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Quint interviews Gale Anne Hurd and Kevin Feige about HULK and the future of Marvel's slate, including CAPTAIN AMERICA!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. One of the benefits of most of these advance screenings Harry sets up for Austin is that I can usually snag the people brought in for one on one interviews. In the case of THE INCREDIBLE HULK I got a pair of one on two interviews.
First up are producers Gale Anne Hurd (yeah, of ALIENS, THE TERMINATOR, THE ABYSS and TREMORS fame) and Marvel Studios’ own Kevin Feige. Keep in mind this was last week, before all the Favreau stuff hit… and everything I understand about that situation has Feige out of it, which is good because the impression I get from him is he’s a true geek and understands the power of the properties he’s working with.
We talk a lot about Ang Lee’s Hulk, what Ed Norton brings to the role, the TV series and we touch upon the upcoming Marvel Slate towards the end. Enjoy!
Quint: I was out of town, but my understanding is you should have been at the IRON MAN show at the Alamo.
Kevin Feige: I know, I couldn’t go. Was it at the same theater that we are going to see it at tonight?
Quint: [To Kraken] Was IRON MAN at South Lamar?
Kraken: [Points to his wife] She went.
Gale Anne Hurd: How was it? Fun?
Andromeda: It was fantastic. The audience here is the best.
Gale Anne Hurd: That is why we are so excited to be here.
Quint: And just on the Ain’t It Cool side, we have been getting lots of reviews from screenings now…
Gale Anne Hurd: Really? I only saw one.
Quint: There have been a couple that have come in in the last few days. I don’t know if they have been posted yet, but they are saying “this is what a comic book movie should be.”
Gale Anne Hurd: See, we weren’t lying. We didn’t need that truth serum.
Quint: Not yet!
Gale Anne Hurd: We weren’t lying way back when, when we said “This is it and it should make the fans happy.”
Quint: I know there was a lot of head scratching when this was announced, people going “We just had the HULK…” Since you have this huge catalog of Marvel characters, there was a feeling of “Why reboot this franchise?” I guess Hulk is still is a giant staple of the company…
Kevin Feige: Well that’s why. The real question is… IRON MAN came out a month ago and people are going “Where’s the next IRON MAN?” The real question is the movie that the majority of people didn’t seem to… weren’t clamoring for another experience similar to that one, let’s put it that way, from the Ang Lee HULK… Five years is as long as it’s ever been between movies, for us, so it was actually quite a while. Clearly the reason we took that kind of time was because we wanted to clear the slate and do it again.
Quint: What are your thoughts on the last one? I know you (Gale) produced it. What are your thoughts on the final version of it? I actually really like THE HULK. It’s a bizarre movie, but I think that’s what I like about it.
Gale Anne Hurd: Also, it was an origin story. Ang Lee had a story that he very much wanted to tell that fit in line with the origin story in the comic, in terms of the psychological backstory and well, we didn’t have to do that this time.
Kevin Feige: I think the intention behind Ang Lee’s movie was noble and I don’t think there will ever be another movie like that and to that extent I think it was cool to have been a part of that.
I’ll tell you what I didn’t enjoy, I didn’t enjoy the majority of the audience’s reaction to it and for every person that you find that says “No, I kind of liked it” I sat in theater after theater after theater of people who had waited to see the movie and it just didn’t do it for them.
Quint: I think honestly, everything would have been fine if it was not for the kind of more internal battle at the end instead of the external. I think people were wanting more visceral thrills, but at the same time because Nick Nolte is so batshit insane in the movie, the presence he has on screen… I can’t help but really dig that…
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Kevin Feige: You know the more we’ve talked about it over the last couple of years of making this one, the more I like to look back at Ang Lee’s HULK as a one shot. If you go back through the comics and go through the bins and you will find one shots, and I can’t think of any examples exactly, but from a writing team or an artist who hadn’t played with the character before, sort of their interpretation of…
Quint: Like the Origins Line. I think that is kind of unique in the comic books, that you are able to do that and that’s why I think BATMAN BEGINS allowed people to easily forget the Schumacher and even Burton versions of it and restart.
Gale Anne Hurd: There’s a tradition in the comic books. It’s not like “oh the movie this time is different.” Comic books start over again with new interpretations and you’ve got Grey Hulk and the intellectual almost Hulk… There are already so many different takes on the Incredible Hulk.
Quint: So, when you decided you wanted to reboot this one, was it more for the image of getting a new Hulk film or did Norton come up immediately? What was the driving force?
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Kevin Feige: We wanted to do another one. We wanted to do another Hulk film. When we got the rights back, we gathered our financing which allowed us to make the current slate of Marvel Studios films, it kind of never was that difficult of a discussion that Hulk would be one of the first two that we attacked, because it’s the Hulk and it’s so big. Certainly in terms of the other areas, Hulk has been selling very well for years and it had picked up since the 2003 film.
Quint: And you guys just had the World War Hulk, which was really big.
Kevin Feige: And the comics and the toys and the videogames… Really Hulk was very popular, so we absolutely wanted to do it again and we wanted to explore as I have been saying to people “the other 99% of the Hulk mythology” that had not been explored in the first film. Gale used the term a lot on the first film and it didn’t necessarily come across in the film, but “wish fulfillment” which something we definitely want to get into this one.
Gale Anne Hurd: And also to give a nod to the TV series as well.
Quint: Yeah, I think that’s in a lot of the reviews that we have been getting, people are saying that the first act is almost an episode of the show and how people are really digging on that.
At the IRON MAN premiere, I was talking to Peter David, I’m a big fan of what he is doing right now with THE DARK TOWER series, and so we were talking and he got on to talking about the Hulk and he was like “I don’t understand it. When the Hulk came out everybody was saying ‘Why isn’t it more like the fucking TV show or more like the fucking comic books’ and then this one comes up and people are saying ‘Why isn’t it more like fucking Ang Lee’s Hulk?”
[Everyone Laughs]
Quint: You get people that have that nostalgia, either for now the first movie, or the TV series or whatever.
Kevin Feige: The TV show… That’s exactly what the first act is and by the ending, hopefully, is one of the best comic book battles you have ever seen, so very much we wanted to blend the two of them, which we hadn’t done on the first one. The first one… I don’t know… it felt like we weren’t even allowed to talk about the TV show and I don’t know why that was, but it just wasn’t a part of the discussions.
Quint: Well the TV show, I guess because of the restrictions of television and the restrictions of budget, it really did force it to be more character driven and more emotional.
Kevin Feige: Absolutely.
Gale Anne Hurd: You had “lonely man on the run,” which is very much the case in this film, but at the same time you didn’t have Betty, you didn’t have General Ross in pursuit, so that’s why this is very much a synthesis.
Quint: So when you were looking for your Banner, the pivotal role and I know when Bana was announced with the last one, everyone was like “He’s a great actor, but he’s not Bruce Banner. He might be more of the Hulk…” but people were like “Steve Buscemi would have been the perfect Bruce Banner” as the skinny awkward guy and now you go with Norton, who is not rail thin and awkward… He’s skinny, but he is definitely much more of a smaller person.
Gale Anne Hurd: You look at his past work and you think Bruce Banner, especially once he’s about to Hulk out, is a character that embodies this duality, so he’s a scientist and an intellectual, yet inside of him he has the Hulk. I don’t think you could find another actor today that captures that better than Edward Norton.
Quint: Yeah, PRIMAL FEAR and…
Gale Anne Hurd: FIGHT CLUB…
Quint: And he’s also a fantastic actor and I think it turned a lot of heads when you guys cast him, because he doesn’t really go for the huge paychecks and I’m sure he got paid a lot of money, but he doesn’t go taking movies for money. He seems to be very artistically driven.
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Kevin Feige: We wanted to try and we will never really be able to, but we wanted to try to fill Bill Bixby’s shoes. That was the model that we were looking at. You always felt for him, the lonely road at the end of each episode for that plight that he was in and that was something that Edward absolutely could do and did for us.
Also, you see someone like Bill Bixby taking the odd jobs and working as a janitor or whatever he did from episode to episode and you knew that he didn’t fit in there, because he wasn’t supposed to. He was supposed to be in a laboratory working. That’s the same thing with Edward as you will see, he’s got this odd job at a bottling factory finishing bottles up and it’s just not right. You know that man is not supposed to be doing that and therefore instantly you feel for him that he has been put into this situation.
Quint: Can we get a little update on the Marvel slate? I know that you just recently talked to IESB and discussed CAPTAIN AMERICA.
Kevin Feige: Yeah, that was when we brought them in to show them some clips, around the time Moriarty came by and saw some of the stuff.
Quint: I really love the fact that you are committing Captain America to appear in a period film.
Kevin Feige: I sort of let the cat out of the bag on that one by accident.
Quint: Yeah, a little bit, but I think if you were going to, that’s the best thing you could say, because one, it automatically gives the film a different identity than all of the other super hero movies and it’s just perfect for the character and you get to play with Nazis and you get to have that kind of villain.
Kevin Feige: I don’t want to talk too much about it, because it’s so far off and we are just putting everything together over the summer, but you look at the four films that we had announced and they are four very different movies and that’s why I’m excited about them. None of them can be pigeonholed into any particular category, but you’ve got the sequel to IRON MAN, which we all what that is now, you’ve got a fantasy epic with THOR, you’ve got a period adventure with Cap… then you’ve got the biggest crossover that has ever been and I don’t even know what to call it, but I like how different they all are. That’s one of the reasons we are going in that way and CAP is not going to be an authentic… no one is going to mistake it for a WWII movie, let’s put it that way, but it very much will be as close to that as we have ever done which is really cool.
Quint: You mentioned crossovers though, but there’s one thing that I am probably the most excited about with you guys having the Studios and having Stark in this movie and just having it all intersect, do you think that there is going to be a time when you will have the franchises you have already given to other studios be folded back in? Like with SPIDER-MAN or X-MEN or…
Kevin Feige: I think that’s probably a long way off, but that’d be great some day, but who knows? The ways that these deals are set up is that as long as those studios want to continue to make movies, they can with those characters.
Quint: Do you think there’s any possibility of going to them and getting an exception or something?
Kevin Feige: Anything is possible. You never know and really we are looking at the next three or four years for all of the ones that we control right now and putting them together and bringing them to the screen, but someday… who knows? It’d be great. It’s all about them coming home, which I like a lot, being under one roof now.
Quint: And having one continuous universe… I can’t believe there are two FANTASTIC FOUR movies without Spider-Man in it since they are so intertwined… Well, I think that’s about it.
Kevin Feige: We will see you over there, right?
Quint: Definitely and I can’t wait for you guys to experience the Alamo. It was good to meet you.
When I was conducting the interview I was a little thrown by his comments about not mistaking Captain America’s movie with a WW2 film… Does that mean it’s not set during WW2? I sure hope that’s not the case. It has to be WW2.
Then going through it now before posting, I think what he means is that it’s not going to be a SAVING PRIVATE RYAN gritty and grim WW2 movie, that there will be a fantastic element to it, a comic book element to it, obviously.
I hope you guys enjoyed the chat. Also look out for my chat with director Louis Leterrier and Tim Roth!
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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thats right i misspelled it
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And Bucky should be a stone cold 12-year-old killer like how Ed Brubaker wrote him.
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how fuckin sweet would it be to have a Death of Captain America movie as like the fourth in a Cap series? with Bucky and Falcon running around doing all kinds of crazy espionage missions? just kill him off in part I or II, and bring him back later.
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Really kewl!
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Jun 13, 2008 3:49:27 AM CDT
What's your name, laddie? First! Troy McFirst!
by rowsdower.zabrowsdower
Does anyone else get that kind of ominous feeling... like Marvel Studios, despite the massive success of their recent ventures, is gonna fuck all this up and end up delivering some mediorce garbage for these highly anticipated sequels/tie-ins? I certainly hope not. Give Favreau his money, sequel to IronMan should be the Avengers movie and not a standalone, lessen the supernatural hero aspect a'la Thor, and pay close attention to the feedback of people like Favreau, Feige, Hurd, et.all. We're at a special time in cinematic experience here. We can finally find studios who will back and produce dork-fantasy projects performed by people who know and get the subject matter, viable a-list stars willing to commit 100% to these projects... and, at least for a coaster geek like myself, make awesome rides at Universal Studios out of them. Seriously, though... this is a great time to be a fan of comic fantasy.
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friends don't let friends drink and talkback thread...
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I wanna see a captain planet movie.
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whatever
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cinema goers think? Cock.
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I keep saying it and other people have said it too, business wise the smartest move would be to introduce him Ultimates style, with that saving private ryan style intro in an Avengers movie, then people(those overseas i'm talking about) will see how cool he is and be more receptive about a movie called Captain America and that he is not a usa usa usa bruckheimer character. This is how most new readers got into him through the comics. It'll make money if done first but it would make more money after an Avengers movie, less people would scoff at it. Thor aswell, I just see it making more money spinning off from an Avengers movie.
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I'm here. I'll tell you.
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It needs Bucky and it needs to be photographed by janusz Kaminski with the washed out look, so when the blue and red comes in, it would look awesome in the contrast of grey and green, especially in a washed out look.
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here I am. just here to remind you that you are a fucking dumb cunt. cheers.
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if it is anything like the other night. round two. fight.
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captain america should be his own movie. the WWII period seems ideal. hopefully we'll have a large british contigent in the movie as well. it sounds great, not hokey. its exactly as the comic books. war, freeze. present day. avengers. thor hopefully is done right. i like the idea of a lord of the rings type quality to it. im really want that iron fist movie damimit the comic book has been perfect it needs to be on the big screen!. anyhoo.. i'll be watching the hulk later on today! yay!
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I can see your point about putting out the avengers first but the problem is not everyone knows the mythology behind Captain America or Thor and with the Avengers movie having so many characters there is not going to be much time for character exposition or development so to most of the population it would just look like some guy in a strange costume throwing a shield around and i just think characters like Thor & Cap deserve more than that!
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are you really going to start up with your wholly ignorant and wrongheaded opinions about other countries again? Even after the beating you took last time. For the record, asshat, we knew fuck all about Iron Man and that hardly hurt it's box office.
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what beating? are you seriously saying you owned someone online. congratulations. that was no beating. it was me going to sleep because it was late and then spending too much time on chud, and not worrying since alot of bloggers and even dudes on mtv agree with me. Don't you get it. it's not the recognition. it's the name. Captain America. God you are so fucking stupid.
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Im assuming that hulk will definitely be an avenger since he featured so heavily in the comics as one, plus Bruce Banner realised his power to do good in the last hulk movie! I dont know how the avenger team are going to control him though but im still 99.9% sure he wont be the antagonist
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that Marvel want leo Di Caprio for Captain America! I'm not sure how i feel about that, he would definitely have to bulk up quite a bit! it also said that failing that they would like Brad Pitt, which i think would be fucking awesome.
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I think what he meant was that it wouldn't be mistaken as a film like Saving Private Ryan, Bridge on the River Kwai or The Longest Day. It will still have a superhero feel to it but will have WWII as the backdrop. I'm not sure how I feel about that but I can see why they'd go that route for "the general public".
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And I loved the small taste of Cap they gave us in The Incredible Hulk after Blonsky took the Super Soldier serum. The speed and agility, the recuperative abilities. Inventive test run on the character.
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You don't- there's 2 things I'm trying to get through your annoyingly thick pointy head: 1)The name is not as much of a problem as you think and, 2)If it is such a turnoff, then what difference would it make introducing the character in another film? following your reasoning the reaction to a post Avengers Cap movie will be "Oh that fucking lame Yank spin off shit, fuck that". The problem of the name will remain the same. I'm glad "dudes" on Latin American MTV agree with you. Wow. Did you have to swallow to get them to validate you?
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just in case anyone here mistakenly thinks you have any critical faculties/ opinions worth listening to, I'm going to remind you that you're the fucking idiot that reckoned Lex Luthor in Smallville> Michael Corleone. Which is possibly the most stupid, fanboyish thing I've ever seen posted.
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Pure speculation, but, anyone notice how skinny he looks in the Burn After Reading trailer. Could he be slimming down for scenes of Cap before the Super Soldier serum?
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Ouch.
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Yack pulled him up on it. Stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen.
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I think that's exactly what Feige meant. You're not going to look at Captain America set during WWII and say "Oh yeah, that's exactly how it was." But it'll be set during WWII and his exploits, hopefully with the Red Skull.
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video interview over on Newsarama when they asked her about her favorite comic book: http://www.newsarama.com/php/video/na_video.php
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...conveniently choosing to ignore is that most of the people he says would hate a "rah rah" Captain America would hate the character no matter what, simply because of the outfit he wears. Besides, Captain America is always going to be about patriotism in one way or another so there's no getting around it. Even if he turns out to defend classic, liberal American ideas, the critics won't buy it.
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Whoops, I forgot- he's "Talkback Superstar, Messi". Fucking idiot named himself after a football player that he thinks he looks like. Twat.
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Speaking of which, I can't wait to watch Node flail and contort while trying to defend The Happening.
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Seriously, the more psuedo-intellectual the better. Node laughably claimed that M. Night was a genius Auteur, and that Ang Lee's misfiring Hulk is a masterpiece that we're too stupid to understand.
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A propaganda character. Ok he has a solid story behind him, but seriously, a dude in a USA flag costume? Not propaganda? REALLY?
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I can tell you right now that a Captain America movie would make just about fuck all here in Australia. There's this 'american bullshit' attitude here, not saying it won't make money but spinning Cap off of Avengers is probably a smarter move. Alot of people here assume Cap is one of those jingoistic super america government type guys and they would definately scoff at the title. But yeah if they introduce him in Avengers, people will get to see what the character is really like. More potential for money to be made and a possible WINTER SOLDIER movie.
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Now wouldn't it be cool if they were to set Cap in WWII with the Invaders? Cap, Namor, Bucky, The Human Torch, Toro.
Since technically that Torch is not the same character in FF, they should be able to do it. The icing on the cake would be if they brought in Ed Brubaker to script it. Ed's Cap run is the best superhero comic on the stands today. -
You fucking cock. I never said I looked like messi, i told you this before. I named myself after him because the other names were taken and of course he is a hero in arg and an exciting player. I just used messi as an example saying i look more towards him than the fat comic book guy which some other dude thought. What will it take for you to think without ignorance. My friend lives next to emirates staidum, i'll be happy to come along and put my fist through your eyes.
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don't talk about comics too much and writers and runs or lost jarv will call you a fanboy.
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saving private ryan doesn't mean R rating, mega gore. If anything, the cinematography/camera work and the minimalist score in places.
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it was mtv.com where they talked about america's low approval rating and how a movie called captain america doesn't seem like it would make much money. so fuck yourself with assumptions and twisting words. you're all alone dumb fuck, remember you were the one giving me shit about mentioning sinestro corps war. i don't get why you get so worked up about it.
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He is wrong. If the attitude that you say is prevalant is, then it doesn't make a blind bit of difference how you introduce him- People will still not see a film entitled "Captain America". Messi, it isn't that you are a comic book fan. Lots of my friends are heavily into comics. I couldn't give a fuck. It's that you are a moronic hypocrite that makes outlandish fucking claims that you can't back up (Lex Luthor in Smallville> Michael Corleone). Couple this with your dreadful attitude, cretinous apologism, and pretend aggression. And now the prick is threatening actual violence on AICN- which is the saddest thing you can do. FYI Messi, that doesn't actually make you tough.
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you're losing your touch!!
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That's just pathetic. And I see no reason why a Captain America movie won't do well. I don't think it performing badly in a country like, let's say Argentina for example, would affect it's overall world box-office. By the way, aren't most Argentinian footballers dirty cheats who like to roll around on the pitch pretending to be injured and also using their hands to punch the ball into the goal and claiming it was the 'Hand of God'? Shameful.
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Talkbackers are worried that Marvel will eventually mess up and start putting out crap. Put it this way, Marvel is a corporation. Corporations are run by suits whose jobs depend on the bottom line. The bottom line is saving as much money as you can to make as much money as you can to please the stockholders.
In answer to anybody's question, yes, the movies will gradually start to get worse as they figure out ways to cut corners to produce them as cheaply as they can to increase their profit take. They're no different than any other big corporation. It's like the potato chip companies that now give you 4 chips in a bag instead of 5, and charge you a dime more. -
Yup, like, say assuming the attitude of the 60 million people that live in Britain. Give it up asshole, and as for "your all alone"- you think I need help to make you look like the pathetic submoron you are? I can just find quotes from you that do that for me- try these for starters: 1)"No Country for Old Men and even Goodfellas can't top 'The Slavers'. What a powerful moving story. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Punisher in how he handled those cunts lives in a fantasy world where all humanity can be redeemed." I've just been looking to find that post where you said you looked like the footballer and actually got bored, but I do like the way you went running to AICN comics like a little bitch looking for support. You pathetic loser.
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i back down, let's move on. i'm tired.
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with having a Captain America movie play in other countries! im from the UK and i still think it would be a huge success. Captain America is a symbol of patriotism, whether it be American, British or Australian etc. People are not stupid and ignorant enough not to watch a movie just because its called Captain AMERICA! This movie, if done well could be the best comic book movie to date (until Thor which has got to be awesome!)
It's really naive of people to think that nobody outside of America will "get" the whole Captain America thing. It could probably be sold to the entire world with a carefully put together trailer and a decent actor in the title roll (personally im still crossing my fingers for Brad Pitt!)
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I would actually love to see that version of Captain America
"So your saying this secret serum makes me nearly invincible Dr. Erskin?"
"Er, yes... 'invincible', here just put on these brightly colored tights and make sure to charge towards your secret target on the other side of the landing, away from the rest of the regs"
"Dr, you sure its right to shoot these poor sobs up with kool-aid and lie to them like this? "Sure, I'm sure! Hell, 50 years from now, I bet the DoD will be up to all kinds of shit that'll make this look like nothing! Send the next sap in!" -
Node is taking the Happening being shit really badly? He's not even trying to defend it.
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Captain America would be proud of us!
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That was funnny.
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Movies that hit in America bomb in other countries and vice versa all the time. Who gives a shit? Making a movie entitled Captain America means one thing and one thing only: they're aiming for a predominately American audience. If it's a hit abroad, goody, but it's not important. It's not like it's a Star Wars or LOTR film.
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...would be awesome. They could even have Union Jack in it just to piss Messi off even more.
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...that big "A" on your forehead?"
"It stands for "America"."
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He pulled off a pretty ballsy warrior in 'Troy' imo.
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I don't know about Brad Pitt as Thor... i just dont think he's big enough! Personally i think he would suit Captain America better just because he's more lean and toned. Thor should be a big ass mean mother fucker :)
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They should have Union Jack in the Cap movie. I always thought he was underused and the costume is bad ass.
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Stop reading my thoughts before I actually have them!
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really? how so. because he'll just say i'm wrong then use the copout that he has no interest in seeing why i make my opinions. you can't win against that. you just laugh and stay grateful you are not that stupid. either way who gives a shit anymore, it's a talkback.
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"Philibrick, get in here" "Sir," "Report, Philibrick, report" "I'm afraid it's those pesky AICN Talkbackers again, sir, they're mocking Captain America, and one of them thinks that it'll bomb abroad" "Goddamn it, Philibrick, how dare they mock our finest hero? And I've told you 100 times, this is the USA, who gives a fuck about the rest of the world"
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By the time the Cap flick comes out, hopefully we will have Obama in the White House, we'll be out of Iraq, and the overall negative image of the country under W will be fading, replaced by a new sense of restoration and promise--and a Cap flick could very well benefit from that.
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"Speaking of Captain America, our company's finest hero, how are the Marvel readers responding to Steve Roger's current exploits?"
"Er, he's dead sir... We had him shot multiple times by an assassin and his girlfriend, while handcuffed, and while being paraded off to prison..."
"Oh, right... so how about Spider-Man?"
"....We're going to hell, aren't we sir?"
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I love the mock marketing meetings. They're just great. "Sir, the demographics are in for Hulk" "And" "They're great sir, people like Hulk smashing things" "I Fucking knew no-one liked that pretentious arty shit we tried last time. Philibrick I need to celebrate, book me a 10 year old thai whore. Or failing that find me Messi's mother"
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why do i get the feeling you are also lost jarv. maybe you should read the post where i said the violence was a joke fucknut. what else can i say but it's just a talkback. i can't argue with someone who will just say i'm not interested, there is no point.
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i think you're right. i think it'll be more like indiana jones where you know world war 2 is going on in the backround but we're not following platoons of soldiers invading normandy and such.
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I never, ever post as multiple users and am more than capable of swatting an insignificant (although loud and offensive)little moron such as you. And I'm not saying I'm not interested, I've never once said that- stop being a bitch and give me an argument that stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. But you won't do that, will you little doggy? It's more your style to just post incotrovertable "FACT" and then pretend no-one is posting a counter argument. Haven't you got a photograph of Frank Miller to be masturbating onto now?
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...have you seen what he's done to Quint's HULK thread? WTF?!
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"Goddamn it philibrick""But sir, some good news, Messi says that he's more than willing to dress up like green lantern and lick your arsehole clean. As a substitute sir," "Messi himself you say Philibrick?" "Yes, sir, Messi himself, but he says he'll only do it if you promise to call him Abin Sur" "Damn it Philibrick, I'm in. But only if he says "Oh what a lovely tea party" and admits to Maradona being a cheating, drug taking piece of shit" "He'll do it sir, he's got no shame"
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Badly- the crushing disappointment of the happening got to him.
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I don't know dude. messi has a point. whatever he brings up, you'll shoot down as hyperbole or whatever but you don't know whether it's true or not, and then you just say you're not interested. that's shitty arguing and I would also stop any arguing since it would be pretty pointless. And artvanderlay are you on Lost Jarv's payroll or something, pretty pathetic really.
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it's terrible.
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i get it, you hate me. move on. congrats on feeling e-tough and winning an internet argument. by the way remember the second goal maradona scored, that sure shut up alot of people. and drugs doesn't diminish the fact most pro players now still think he's the best ever and recentl retired/inactive dudes like Cantona, Ronaldo and Zidane.
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bullshit. Yesterday the prick tried to speak for every person in Britain. When myself and other British users pointed out that this was horseshit he just ignored it and screamed that we were cunts that didn't know what we were talking about. His claims are hyperbolic, they are also assumptive. It isn't up to me to produce evidence to support my argument as I'm not making the hyperbolic statement. When he gives me a link that is not fanboy garbage to support that assertion that The slaves > Goodfellas then I'll come back. Or even one to substantiate the laughable claim that Lex on Smallville> Michael Corleone. And as for people being on my payroll, wtf? Are you and that ninja guy on Messi's?
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They think Pele is. Consistently. And I'll give you a link as soon as I find one. Good lord, what's wrong with you?
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anyone else see that? anyway, cool article, but no really new info.
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Gordon Banks my arse. For fuck's sake.
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To galvanize the troops (yes, in a rah rah gung ho fashion) and to draw the attention of the enemy to a single focal point? The enemy would be spending all their time firing on him while the troops would move in and win the war, by golly. It was a very calculated idea to have him stand out like a sore red, white and blue thumb.
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"Steve, we've got your uniform" "What? That multicoloured thing? I wanted camoflage" "That is Camo, Steve, You'll blend in perfectly with a pack of jelly babies"
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makes sense to me. i like th idea of him being the human target. and the punching bag for the public, if things go pear shaped.
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A good Captain America would have in WW2 for about the first act. Maybe to the middle of the second act. Sort of like Batman Begins. Unless they want The Avengers to find his frozen ass modern day like in the comics. Regardless, more of his story should be Steve Rogers trying to live present day with the mind of someone still in the 1940's. And Bucky should die in the opening credits.
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I have quite literally no problem, keeping a Captain America film in the 1940s in at the very least the first act. Have it as an origin story. Start with a scrawny, F-troop Steve Rogers in the Super Soldier program and go from there. 1st Act ends with him being frozen. Bring it up to the 21st century with him getting thawed out and the inevitable Stark/Shield cameo to link it all together, then give him a revived Red Scull to take on in the third act.
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Seriously....JUST like Saving Private Ryan except with Cap and The Red Skull. Maybe throw in a dash of Raiders of the Lost Ark too boot. Trust me...the kids will still see it. Nothing wrong with mixing a little history with an awesome summer movie.
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how is the Red Scull still around in the (insert decade here)'s in the comics? is he frozen and thawed out too?
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Messi, I wouldn't even bother responding to Lost Jarv's nonsense. The guy's clearly got a boner for you. Christ, he's trawling through old talkbacks looking for your quotes. I've never seen such a cringing case of schoolyard bullying... from a Captain America nerd? Lol. Oh and for the record, I'm British, and I think Captain America will do great international box office. Marvel have a marketing department. It'll sell.
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Are we gonna see Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos in the WWII Captain America flick? That would be very cool.
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You deserve a few points of clarity: 1)I'm not into Captain America, but thanks for again proving my point that Messi doesn't know what he's talking about. 2)I don't have a boner for him- in fact I generally ignore him. I do not like him as I think he's an offensive little blowhard with an attitude problem. I don't like his constant posts calling everyone else fucking dumb, or cunts or fanboys or whatever, but I'm now done with him. 3)This is Talkback, home of abuse, slander and unfounded hatred. Get used to it. 4)Lovely use of English, but if anything I'm responding to his bullying. I'm normally quite chilled out, but I've had enough of his shite in every talkback. If he can't take it then he shouldn't dish it out- and clearly he can't take it. He's old enough and ugly enough to fight his own battles, but I'm sure he's grateful for your help. Unlike him, I don't run crying around the internet looking for help- good to see you responded. Cheers, have a good weekend
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Get over yourself NODE...Your not funny,witty nor interesting. Give it a rest. As far as Cap is concerned, I think we will see the biggest costume makeover ever. Like Doc Paz said...that big A on your head ?? Not gonna work. It won't be a rah-rah Cap'n America. My preference would be a hard ass type persona like a Burt Lancaster/ Kirk Douglas type tough guy of that era. Someone who embodies the IDEA of America. NO PRETTY BOYS! And some idiot poster thinks that Obama being in the white house will somehow determine the success of this character. I hardly see Cap endorsing an idiot politician or political party.
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Jun 13, 2008 12:27:20 PM CDT
Oh god, we're not going to start politicizing Captain America
by blindambition238
I think Cap would be pretty annoyed at both sides of the fence(s).
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and I have to say I don't miss Thomas Jane at all!
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Musta missed it. In the eternal words of Steve Martin: "Well EXCUUUUUuuuuuUUUUSE MEEEEEEEEE! lol
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They better use that as a way to bring him to the future.
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"Truth, Justice, and... all that stuff" or whatever they said, Marvel and directors had better not wuss out and make Captain America, Captain Cool or something and turn his suit green and brown (to be one with nature) and he doesn't whoop ass now, becasue he is a nice guy and in touch with his inner Martha Stewart. Politically correct BS... Who cares if he was orignally propoganda man for the US, he is a frigging American character! I hate that it has become uncool to be proud of your country and what it does/stand for.... The US, problems and all, still does a lot of good in the world. The world may need the US and its ideology more then ever as it appears Russia and China are heading faster and faster down the hardline road. Putin is swiftly consolidating power under the pretense of economic boom driven through oil wealth. Just watch, they will shut down all progress Russia had made towards democracy in a matter of five years. In China there was a great article recently about how the youth of today don't even know or are not taught about Tienamen Square. Ouch....
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Jun 13, 2008 1:14:34 PM CDT
Cap movie should end with him being reawakened in the present
by finky089
I know it's been said in TBs before, but I really dig the idea that the Cap solo movie should be set during WWII, but end with Cap being frozen in ice while pursuing the Red Skull. The world would be saved, but Cap would be gone until.....the very end of the credits we see he is reawakened and greeted by Nick Fury who invites him to join his "new team".
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Gale Anne Hurd sees the vast drop in quality between The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss and what she's involved in nowadays.
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I think he probably means stylistically, it won't look like a WW2 film. Being a superhero movie, it'll probably have some glitz and glamor that you wouldn't see in a traditional period piece. But, who knows. Cap and WW2 go together like Mountain Dew and Hot Pockets!!
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Larry the Cable Guy and mobile homes
Beef Jerky and breakfast Mullets and pit-stained wife-beaters Huntin' and beer! 2nd counsins and marrying -
Front yards and dead cars
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Jun 13, 2008 1:30:45 PM CDT
With a shotgun, dip in his mouth, and a confederate flag hat in
by mjayace
Oh, and he will be riding in a swamp boat or tricked out 4x4. Actually, more fitting than Bruce Springsteen (Born in the USA was not actually written to be patriotic) would be Lee Greenwood.
How come asking if they could keep the material close to the source and not PC'ify it, automatically associates comments about being a redneck hillbilly stereotype (since I am assuming you were being sarcastic)... Sigh... -
"That's correct, sir."
"But didn't that Houston chick do 500 fellas a few years ago?"
"620, sir."
"So shouldn't someone tell Messi's mother about that?"
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i thought you were gonna mention some crossover with captain america and captain canuck.
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After spending the past 18 years frozen inside a capped oil well after a freak accident during Gulf War One a cranky CAPTAIN AMERICA returns to a country still at war in the Middle East. Cap tosses out his patriotic underoos and shield for a more era-appropriate black rubber suit, which he wears while furiously blogging about Global Warming and Bush's complicity with 9/11.
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I'm Canadian and can't wait for Captain Canuck to out!!! Maybe they could to a team up.
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...which is apparently the srategy with these films...Who's gonna be Cap? Thor? I prefer unknowns or semi-unknowns...like Bale was before Batman Begins hit big. You just know Gale and Kevin have some names in mind. I wonder what there short list is. Note to Marvel: Just avoid Brad Pitt at all costs. I think he's great...but please don't go there.
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and it better be grim and gritty.
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Worried me. It struck me as an across the universe idea, paying tribute but not being accurate to an era.
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beat the shit out of them for not giving Favreau a few more pennies.
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Aaron Eckhart would make the perfect Captain America!
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To anyone that they'll model the movie Cap suit on the Ultimates version rather than the traditional 616 model.
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For the movie to be set entirely in WWII, ending with the attempted rocket disarming, Bucky's apparent death and Cap being frozen in the Arctic. Then the very end of the movie or the after-credits pinch can be Stark, Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. finding the Cap-sicle to set up the Avengers movie.
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And whoever mentioned including Union Jack is on to a great idea. Have it really be about the war effort and stopping the Nazi threat, which is then personified in the Red Skull and some type of threat that only Cap, Bucky, Union Jack and some other members of their team (not necessarily the Invaders because you'd have to explain Namor and the pre-Vision android Human Torch) can handle.
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We don't have to "forget" about the previous films when a reboot happens. More than one version of one thing can exist. We can keep track of it! Comic fans especially are used to the most severe kinds of revamps and retcons. Just because I love Nolan's stuff doesn't mean I forgot that i also love the Burton stuff. Thats fucking crazy. It's more like Coke wants you to forget Pepsi. Bloody hell. I'm taking my complaint to the Law Offices of Shutup and Dealwithit
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seafood and peas. Fuck peas.
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HES 4'8. AND HES 12. FFS!!!!!!
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Jun 14, 2008 12:55:19 AM CDT
Gale Ann Hurd: Ok, I'm just gonna come out and say it...........
by kai_mah'gra
M.I.L.F.-ILICIOUS!!!!! Yeah , I'd hit that. I'm just going by that photo is all; she has a Kaura Roslyn-esque thing going on,..........
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......that is all.
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Laura Roslyn. I'm a moron.
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They probably mean it will be a little less like Saving Private Ryan and a little more like the intro of the first Hellboy movie. I really wanna see Cap punch out Hitler.
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He's got action chops. "Bourne 1,2,3"
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even in comic books. american flags as costume? shield as weapon of choice? and with big white star on it? and dont even start with that target practice gigantic capital 'A' on his forehead.
it's just a lame corny concept from birth. and with superhero, concept is everything. sure, supes wear red underwears on the outside, and batman is well... a man dressed as a bat. but cap... aah wtf am i talking about? one looks no sillier than the others. go ahead, put that A on his forehead. -
bit of a leftfield idead but how a roided up owen wilson w/beard as thor?
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Yeah go ahead, lets make that A even BIGGER! And don't forget the littlr tiny wings on the side of his head too! LET'S DO THIS!
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An action adventure serial fighting nazis.
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Saw the Hulk tonight. Yeah. Yeah, that's about what I was expecting! And I wasn't disappointed. I get the things that Capone bitches about....I'm going to rebut him over on his thread. I'm stating for the record that THEY MUST DO WHATEVER FAVS AND DOWNEY WANT TO GET THEM ON BOARD. ANYTHING. THIS IS LIKE THE HOBBIT...IT WON'T WORK OTHERWISE.Sorry, big typing in the hopes they'll read it.
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that's exactly what would make it cool, seeing this Sentinel of liberty fighting in this battaillon.
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Jun 15, 2008 2:17:31 AM CDT
also about the dude that said Cap in WW2 should be like Jones...
by chien_sale
well I think now to make it great we should really see what it would be like having a man with a shield in the field with guys with bayonettes. Especially seeing it how it should be done. How this could be possible. Because an Indiana Jone-type super-hero movie in WW2 would be the Rocketeer take 2 and that was way too campy. Plus those movies brush over reality way too much. I was watching Last crusade the other day and it's always wink wink "we know it's impossible but so what it's fun, bare with us". I believe it's easier doing that when you have a fairly realistic setting such as an archeoligist with a whip. But when you have somebody in tight and you brush over realism then it becomes weak, it ends up like the Phantom. And Captain America deserve more than that. We should really see why he was such a legend, why he was so great. Do it real, show us how could this super-powered mother fucker with a super-shield could achieve this on the battlefield.
And you know what? After doing this Private Ryan thing; after Cap has gone through Hell, fell in the ice-cold sea and has woken in the Avengers movie, you could have Captain America 2. And THEN you could pull back and see what Cap has been involved in in WW2. Maybe he had other missions where he fought super-villains. And there you could have Cap-as-Indiana. -
Brubaker/Epting run. Any other interpretation would be foolish.
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Because, really, that's a shitty title.
"Captain America: Avenger" is better, but only slightly.
"Captain America: The Super Soldier" might be acceptable.
But you know, there's nothing wrong with "Captain America" on its own.
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