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Regarding Daranbont's INDY 4 Draft... It Was Only A Matter Of Time...
... and now it looks like the internet has hold of the Frank Darabont draft of INDIANA JONES 4.
I'm not going to run the script here, but other sites don't seem to have the same issues with doing so. G4 has posted a review of the bootleg that basically exploded everywhere at the same time earlier today, and a site called PDFScreenplays has posted it as well. There seems to be some debate about whether or not it's real.
It's real. That's the Darabont draft. No question at all.
If you do choose to read it, you'll be able to see how many of the major story points -- the ants, the fridge and the nuke, the rocket sled -- all have been carried from draft to draft and from writer to writer by Lucas, who gets story credit on this script. You'll also see how much more elegant those elements can be in the hands of a writer who loves Indiana Jones and who actually wanted to see a great Indy movie for this last chapter.
I would expect this link will self destruct within the hour, and Paramount will then spend the rest of eternity chasing this thing from site to site to site to site, as is the tendency once anything has leaked in PDF form.
So instead of me TELLING YOU what differences there are, now you can see for yourselves and use this talkback to discuss what might have been, what was, and how things went down.
Enjoy.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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Bout time. I've been hearing about this thing forever.
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WHAAAAA?
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I thought I was watching Mummy 3, but thats a little later this summer.
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anyone elses AICN homepage not loading?
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Mutt follows the Spider Monkey up the vine, grabs another, and (in a scene that should be reminiscent of Fonz jumping the shark) commences to swing through treetops like motherfucking Tarzan in black leather.
Mutt continues to swing through the trees like Cheetah, then does one last leap from the vine (like his dad in the first Indy film when he swings on that vine into the river) and lands back in the jeep with his monkey gang who commence to beating on Spalko. -
The now classic Paramount Pictures logo dissolves into a desert gopher mound, from which pops a CGI gopher (no, Steven, not a stupid analog puppet gopher!), which scurries back into its hole as a military convoy racing the crew from Happy Days speed by.
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Upload it to Scribd and post a link. Like I will.
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reading that makes me think I should try writing one. It's really poorly written. If that can get sold, hell, I should be able to get something sold. It read like it was written by a 8th grader.
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Yeah, the home page has been down for me as well.
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This talkback would have over 1000 posts by now. Most of them discussing Nuked Fridges.
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i followed my browser history to the 'cool news' section.
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You just have to look into the skull's eyes. Then all sorts of random crap happens.
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I didn't like the fact that Indy's not afraid of snakes in his draft. That DEFINES Indy (plus the fedora and the whip)
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Reading, not convinced yet that it's any good. We'll see.
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is much better than the movie version. The Sallah cameo is dope too.
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someone better get out their drupal instillation disk, quick!
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I was hoping this might pop up somewhere.
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Now please don't get ultra defensive. I'm not usually someone throwing shit at you. But I remember you liking the final "Crystal Skull." But the following quote,"You'll also see how much more elegant those elements can be in the hands of a writer who loves Indiana Jones and who actually wanted to see a great Indy movie for this last chapter." To me seems to indicate that you are going back on it a little bit, perhaps dragged down by all the negative publicity.
I only point this out because you've claimed you don't back pedal as Harry as done and you don't see why people think you do. Well, here's an example where it sounds like you are backpedaling. So there you go.
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...I mean more fucked than normal - What's up with this site at the moment? It's dodge city...
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bad drupal, BAD!
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Jun 11, 2008 9:51:17 PM CDT
I Actually Preferred Kingdom of the Crystal Skull To City of the
by acquanetta
Sorry, but Darabont's script reads a little too much like fan fiction at times. I agree with David Koepp that characters shouldn't be remembering their exact dialogue from decades earlier. Yet that's precisely what Indy and Marion do throughout this script. And at one point, Darabont even has a character reference the tagline for Temple of Doom! Come on. There's also a pretty ridiculous scene where Indy tries to steal Raiders' Golden Idol again- this time from the Marshall College museum. Lame. "Kingdom" had its share of flaws, but I felt it worked pretty well for what it was trying to be- namely, a B movie from the 1950's. "City of the Gods" may take a (slightly) more serious approach to the material, but it's just not as much fun. I'd rather have characters like Mutt and Irina Spalko over the forgettable lot that's on display here.
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And its still the best movie of 08....and 07.
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how the fuck this guy keeps getting jobs, he writes awful screenplays, every screenplay rolls in of itself and needs to be fixed. he has good ideas, but for me this guy is a layout, story guy and then someone else should write the screenplay. by all means keep writing, but people should rewrite your stuff to keep the good stuff. seriously you clusterfucked spider-man.
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But do all screenplays look like they just came off a 1970's typewriter? Personally, I like that retro look, but you'd think in this era of clean laser fonts that screenplays would look a bit 'cleaner'.
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I want to read the script for myself! Is there another link?
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FOR GETTING THE FUCKING SITE SHUT DOWN.
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Does anyone have it saved somewhere? I would LOVE to read this script.
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neophiliack@yahoo.com
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icen9ne@yahoo.com
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I MUST READ IT! Email it to me to at gvillegator05@yahoo.com.
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does anybody still need/want it?
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MOST DEFINITELY. Many thanks. Many thanks indeed. andydandynotebook@gmail.com
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rcpweiner@hotmail.com
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If anyone has it please email it over. Thank you in advance.
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I'll take a copy please! houseofel@gmail.com
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Yes please. Pretty please. marc2marcharder@comcast.net Thank you!
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Send em one to JULYFAMILY@OPTONLINE.NET
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http://www.mediafire.com/?1pfzjtexmym
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If someone could please e-mail me a copy to
timdragga@mac.com
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grok241@aol.com
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damn AICN and their weird url altering!!
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Dont_waltz@hotmail.com
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in the interest of me not having to send out multiple emails, please e-mail me at mybcasting@gmail.com and I will try and reply to you all promptly. Thanks.
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Jun 11, 2008 10:14:57 PM CDT
Oh Now Darabont Loves Indy More than its Creator Lucas
by darfurontherocks
Fuck off... If Moriarty was a TBer he would be labeled a troll.
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THANK YOU!! GO TO MEDIAFIRE FOR THE FILE!
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Sounds awesome, but is it me or does the Alien thing sound too much like Stargate SG1?
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tmjbyrnes@yahoo.com Forever Grateful!!!
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I will now be reading it for the next hour... toodles.
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Thanks a lot!
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hyprkc@hotmail.com
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"In soviet Russia, ketchup dunk YOU!"
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Now only if we could get our hands on the Tom Stoppard script that
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browncoat29@gmail.com
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Ford and Spielberg apparently loved, but Lucas canned because it was too "adult"
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Indy's much more proactive in this version.
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too many to keep up though... go to my mediafire link, just easier that way
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af196805@ohio.edu
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I f any of you have the PDF, please send it to EndymionX@hotmail.com.
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tmarcus32@yahoo.com
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Jun 11, 2008 10:21:18 PM CDT
What's up with changing your opinion on this, Drew?
by keeper of chimps
You gave it a good review and now you're slamming the finished project. The Darabont script is riddled with problems. One thing you can't slam Lucas for is passing on this. The finished product was better.
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Mediafire FTW!!!!
NICE
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hang on everyone, it's coming
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Love that line!
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trojanwilliams@gmail.com
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Whether or not I read that script will not affect the studios finances whatsoever, and money's all they care about, so why the big deal?
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knarftheindecent@gmail.com
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...that script is FAR from perfect. In fact I think it way misses the mark on a few occassions and does seem to be written by a fan of Indy which isn't so good (see T4). I remember a few months ago on this site when everyone was attacking Lucas when the line "It's not the mileage..." came up. Well, turns out Darabont came up with all that stuff and went way silly with some of it in this script. It goes to show it aint all Lucas. He's just an easy target for haters. I'm not sure how this would have turned out on screen - its definitely deeper than Koepp's script but some of it is a lot worse than what was in KOTCS...
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If anyone would be so kind: aicndownunder@hotmail.com
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What does Henry Jones Jr. do in the script, Sallah, etc?
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Looks like Host Gator took the site down.
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Jun 11, 2008 10:31:55 PM CDT
Ughhh. The "I love America" line would have been worse than the
by microwavable?
i'm trying to picture Harrison saying that line with a bit of sarcasm, and it still makes me cringe.
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I'd love a copy of anyone'd be so cool!!!
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Its really too bad because it gives all the power to the haters. The unless-Lucas-wrote-it-when-I-was-twelve-I-hate-it crowd dictates what the opinion of the reviewers becomes.
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http://rapidshare.com/files/121833632/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf.html
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There is a strong sense of elitism from the writers on this site. There is less a feeling of community and more of an attitude of flaunting. I attribute that to all of their high school experiences sitting on the outside and instead of embracing their individuality, wishing they were like the "cooler" kids. So for the rest of their lives they have formed a facsimile of that environment in which the tables are turned and they are the "popular kids"
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in case you missed my earlier post:http://www.mediafire.com/?1pfzjtexmym(remove any AICN-added spaces)
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Next link? I wanna read this!
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http://link-protector.com/521289/
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Could somebody email it to me: halcyondays93@yahoo.com
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...the opportunity to muse over something that may or may not have made a better film. Unfortunately, I was so disappointed in Indy's last outing, that I think I'd rather just forget the whole story/concept altogether. I do look forward to my fellow Talkbackers' comments though.
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Shut it.
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Please send to KerouacAve@yahoo.com. Someday, and that day may never come, you may call on me to do you a favor ...
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Darabont has said he wanted to include a reversal of that famous line in the movie. David Koepp later said that he didn't want the film to read too much like fan fiction, since it wouldn't make sense for these characters to remember things they said 10 or 20 years earlier.
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Fucking predictable ass eaters.
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justmcarter@aol.com
Been waiting for the longest time to read this.
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If anyone is emailing it: fakeguy007@hotmail.com
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you guys are the best
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I don't think he's contradicting his review of the film. He just apparently preferred the Darabont draft of the script. You can like a film but prefer an earlier draft of the script.
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That's right I got sexual in my subject line
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I think it was Spielberg's idea. But who the hell cares?. I wish that line was IN the movie and the only problem with Indy 4. But is not :(
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im currently sitting in a walmart waiting for the mgs4 ps3 bundle so if someone could send me the script that wouls rock. germstanyu@yahoo.com
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check out the exe. attachment.....full of surprizzzezz<
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so if anyone else grabbed it, do your part and post it somewhere else! Everybody do it! Can't Stop the Signal!!
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Quote: "Try and do something original for once."Oh really? You fucking idiot. Try taking a look at your useless posts on this site and get back to me.
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http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/INDIANA_JONES_4_2.html
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As Jasper said "What a time to be alive."
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http://www.theindyexperience.com/films/indy_4_scripts.php
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at least there's some redemption here. I hated every minute of KOTCS. i cant wait to read this.
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In fact, this version has just as many clunky and badly written parts as the final screenplay.
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It would be great if some talented person with time on their hands could do an animated version of this script...or even a radio drama based on it. Just a thought.
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It would be great if some talented person with time on their hands could do an animated version of this script...or even a radio drama based on it. Just a thought.
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for those of you who were late to my email. here is the rapidshare link. Can't stop the signal! (God I'm a dork) Anybody have their hands on the M. Night draft? That's one I'd like to check out too.
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Is the one in my head, fuck Lucas' new shit.
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...should have the least amount of blame put on him for any of KOTCS' flaws. Reading that script again for the second time, Krack, I actually think it may have been GL who asked for some of the fan lines to be removed - knowing what a backlash it could cause. And you haters gotta realise that if Koepp's script sucked - based on a sucky script going right back to Darabont - and the direction isn't on the ball then YOU CANNOT BLAME George Lucas for the disappointment that is KOTCS. This script shows that it had problems from day 1...
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Please mail it to misterd@hvc.rr.com
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I KNEW that you hacks would open the file and read the first paragraph, then skim to the middle and read a sentence, then immediatly go to the end to read the climax, then come on here and bitch and moan like middle school girls on their periods and complain how everything sucks! SO predictable!! Gettin' kinda' old guys.
This is why AICN should have age restrictions for posting or some kind of I.Q test.
Hey bitch-boys, if your gonna rant, and cry and complain about, or you want to waste your time typing about it at least read the damn thing so you can critique it positively and negatively.
I am halfway through the script and i'm very entertained by it. I think the action and pacing has been SO extremely tight.
A few "kids" mention that it seems like a fan wrote it and that they could do better. Heh. Right.
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Just the main differences and stuff. Thanks!
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Please send to haynezeeboy@hotmail.com
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Jack, I think you are right!, the main problem was the fricking MacGuffin!!, it sucked!!!. With so many other things instead of religious artifacts you had to come up with Aliens?, even if it's "based" on some true stuff... it still sucked!.
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If so, I would really appreciate it. I want to read this very much!
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ShiftyEyedDog, I know I'm one of many, but have mercy and send me the Darabont. And the Columbus and the Stuart, if you can. My address is RudeRabbit@aol.com - thanks. I will be forever in your debt and have some PDFs to trade if you're interested. Does ANYONE have the Quantum Of Solace script?? I would kill for that... If anyone reading this has it, please send and make this Bond fan's year.
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http://link-protector.com/521289/
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Jun 11, 2008 11:13:38 PM CDT
It figures Lucas is so devestatingly stupid that he.....
by industrykiller!
would be presented with two scripts, One obviously better than the other, and pick the shitty one. Seriously, what kind of fucking film hating pig has this guy become?
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In the words of Axel Foley I love you, I just fell in love with you. Thank you.
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WHEN THE HOME PAGE WAS DOWN.
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Thanks for the link, ShiftyEyedDog.
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When we meet Marion for the first time its PERFECT!! The way she enters the bar, their first meeting, the banter between them!!
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please send to embrypotzebra@gmail.com - thanks you.
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send me this!!! curadhan@hotmail.com THANKS!
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for a pdf of Gone.
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Everyone keeps talking about how Darabont "got" Indiana Jones and how he "loves" the characters. Here are two points:1) Indy is apparently unafraid of snakes in this script. What?2) The implication is that these aliens (who are mean in this script) are why people have believed in God for thousands of years. Didn't the first movie deal with the Ark of the Covenent (which contained the 10 commandments) and the third deal with the Holy grail? Wouldn't that completely contradict those two movies? Having aliens in the movie don't mean anything in and of itself, but using them to suggest that people falsely believe in God is a MAJOR plothole.
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This script has been online all day, which is how so many here have already read it. It didn't just magically appear when AICN put up this article.
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...I agree the action scenes are better than what ended up on screen and the entire script has a lot more depth than what we ended up with but there is way too much going on in certain parts of this script. i think it should have been met in the middle because i feel KOTCS was too thin with Mac/Oxley/Spalko and Marion whereas there is a lot going on here with even the russians. But the comments above were regarding the dialog and the script - not the pacing and set-pieces. You gotta admit - Indy's russian friend saying "Adventure used to have a name..." and Indy telling Marion that she was his "fortune and glory" is god awful fanboy pandering. If Lucas had written that in the script there would have been riots...
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loved the joke about willie moving to hollywood and marrying a bigshot movie director.
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Anybody have a copy of the new Proyas movie Knowing?
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for trafficking illegal immigrants when she was found going through customs with Short-Round in her luggage.
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Im about 50 pages in. It still has some of this things i had problems with...but they just feel a little more mature. The engine sequence read really exciting. The nuclear bomb still feels out of place. THe drunk sequence was just bad...but the action after that read really well. And the whole discovery of the skull and all that actually made sense this time. I will finish up tomorrow but so far WAY BETTER.
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That was reported as FACT a few months back, it was even on the, now gone, official blog. I assume that was either a mistake on the part of the official site or they were just being gitbags.
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From the link - thanks! But can someone send me the Columbus and the Stuart versions, or give us a fresh link? RudeRabbit@aol.com
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please send this to me. bono6234@comcast.net
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All the Indy movies are outlandish- and that is a GOOD thing. Just like the original Star Wars movies people have been ingesting these movies for so long, we go with it it. We buy it. But please, a magic box, an evil cult, a magic cup that can heal gunshot wounds, a Knight that lives forever... its ALL pretty tough to swallow. And that is the POINT. Indy IV is no different and in 20 years you will all be saying how much you love it. Nostalgia has a way of making us all like things more than they deserve (except Raiders... that thing is a goddamn masterpiece!)
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I'm 60 pages in and with the exception of some corny dialogue, this is an Indiana Jones movie worthy of being made. This further confirms that Lucas is a bloated goddamn assbag who has become the thing he and Coppola once swore they would not become. He has gotten in the way of artistry and storytelling and he's a piece of shit. Retire George. Make nothing else. You are the worst piece of shit out there for what you did to this franchise and the Star Wars one. You have lost all credibility over the years. This is a great script with dynamic set pieces and true flow of story. It's not a stunted piece of shit that is patched together with old scotch tape. And Mr. Spielberg? Shame on you. Shame on you! How you let Lucas piss all over this draft shows me that you too don't give a fuck anymore. It's just box office bingo for you now, eh? Go fuck yourself. The 35 year old version of yourself would slap the living shit out of you now and be ashamed at what you've allowed yourself to become. You've lost your compass completely. You and George deserve each other. All the money in the world will never feel good enough as being ground breaking relevant storytellers who truly amaze and entertain an audience. What you just did with that piece of crap you directed was show us that what soulless move making is. Shame on you. Mr. Darabont, I'm sorry you had to go through this and if there's any sense of vindication from hearing this, I want you to know you knocked this motherfucker out of the park and the 2 beards were myopic and very wrong. And I loved The Mist.
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AICN wouldn't come up for me this afternoon, so I went to DailyScripts to browse...and ended up reading CC's Indy4 script today. Going to read this one now. Later.
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Because Lucas invented the character and if he says he wants it to be about aliens, then it is. Indiana Jones (like Star Wars) has become so much part of our collective conscience that we think we all own it. We don't. If he says Star Wars is about an 8 year old kid, then it is. Weather we like it or not. Besides, Lucas was smart enough to know that a movie that takes place in the 30's is a serial adventure and a movie that takes place in the 50's is a Sci-Fi adventure. Its a natural progression. Seeing an Indy movie that takes place in more modern times but is still about things that were prevalent in the 20's and 30's would look silly.
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...created Indiana Jones. Remember that. What would you rather have: All four Indy films... or none at all? The man deserves respect!!
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Was this written before or after ID4?
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Still reading it, but just had to note that a lot of the crappiest ideas in KotCS all showed up at once here near the end. We have the rubberband tree, FOUR waterfalls, and Oxley doing the Tarzan Mutt, with Indy chasing behind him like it's Jungle Hunt. Marion is much improved so far, but there's still a lot of cruft here.
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Jesus Christ, finally. Seriously. Fuck.
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woohoo! got it!
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http://tinyurl.com/6pce6l
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Pure Lucas fecal hilarity! If it's not Jar Jar stepping in ronto poo, or one of those camel beasts farting, it's a monkey shitting on Indiana Jones' chest. That was either GL's idea, or Darabont's attempt to win The Plaid One over.
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Thank you Rupee88!
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but infinitely better than what ended up on the screen. He actually attempts to address Indy's age and experience in a thoughtful way - we get to see Indy have to make a decision to get involved and 'be Indy' again. As opposed to being introduced by being thrown out of the trunk of a car. Brilliant, intro that one [sarcastic font]. Marion is large and in charge in Darabont's script, there's actually a sense that Indy could be called up on treason, as opposed to that lame interrogation scene that you knew Indy would get out of easily. And 'watta country' stereotypes aside, the Yuri dynamic is waaay more interesting than Ray Winstone's incredibly annoying character who was a poorly written walking plot device and more interesting than the strange b-movie caricature played by the lovely, but ill-used, Cate Blanchett. And even though I wasn't bother by LeBouef too much, his character wasn't really necessary outside of some pandering to the younger crowd and the threat of a Mutt-based sequel (shudder). Everything that Lucas has touched this decade has just turned to shit and I agree that he really should just stop making movies.
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... my INDY 4 review was mixed. I didn't rant and rave about it and say it was perfect and magnificent. I highlighted many of my major issues with it in my review, and feel the same way now.
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But it bounced back. My email didn't translate to Australian I guess. Sorry, bud.
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Jun 12, 2008 12:52:22 AM CDT
Three people are responsible for the finished film...
by mr. boomgaarden
Does anyone here REALLY think that Spielberg or Ford get pushed around at this point in their careers? I keep hearing everyone hate on Lucas for the problems in the finished film, but as a producer it's his JOB to push for the ideas that his director and star are both interested in, and for all the talk about how often Lucas veto'd drafts, I have to imagine both Spielberg and Ford had the same ability to veto as they saw fit. The finished project is what ALL THREE of them decided they wanted to do and fault or credit for the result is their's in equal measure.
Beyond that, I keep reading people blaming aliens on Lucas, as if Spielberg or Ford had never made a movie about aliens before.
Spielberg himself has made MANY movies with plots concerning aliens, either as director or executive producer (the same title Lucas has on Indy):
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
ET: The Extra Terrestial
Batteries Not Included
Men in Black
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Men in Black II
War of the Worlds
Transformers
Love this movie or hate it, it's absurd to blame or credit only one of the three driving forces behind it's production. If Lucas could have forced the movie to have been made, maybe it wouldn't have taken 20 years to do so.
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With every perfectly-written page I grew angrier and angrier at George Lucas.
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nuff said...and fuck lucas...he is the anti christ
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jjoel007@aol.com
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...to tweak a script you clearly love? Can anyone answer me why studios do this? They clearly loved the script but wanted some changes made "in aid of the story" and hired a tonally different writer to come in, keep the best bits, throw out some good bits, introduce an extended gimmick and then take full credit. Just doesn't make sense to me. This would be like putting all the effort into marathon f**king your best girl number one and then, 10 minutes before she comes, pull out and have a stranger spread some of his pre-squeezed seamen onto her neck.David Koepp smeared cum on my neck.
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Jun 12, 2008 1:09:31 AM CDT
Three people are responsible for the finished film...
by mr. boomgaarden
Does anyone here REALLY think that Spielberg or Ford get pushed around at this point in their careers? I keep hearing everyone hate on Lucas for the problems in the finished film, but as a producer it's his JOB to push for the ideas that his director and star are both interested in, and for all the talk about how often Lucas veto'd drafts, I have to imagine both Spielberg and Ford had the same ability to veto as they saw fit.
The finished project is what ALL THREE of them decided they wanted to do and fault or credit for the result is their's in equal measure. Beyond that, I keep reading people blaming aliens on Lucas, as if Spielberg or Ford had never made a movie about aliens before. Spielberg himself has made MANY movies with plots concerning aliens, either as director or executive producer (the same title Lucas has on Indy):
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
ET: The Extra Terrestial
Batteries Not Included
Men in Black
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Men in Black II
War of the Worlds
Transformers
Love this movie or hate it, it's absurd to blame or credit only one of the three driving forces behind it's production. If Lucas could have forced the movie to have been made, maybe it wouldn't have taken 20 years to do so.
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Thank fucking God... er... aliens.
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I got a call from my hosting company about 2 hours ago telling me they took my server offline because the Darabont draft "was found to be consuming an inordinate amount of processor time, to the point of degrading overall system performance".
Which was soon followed by an e-mail stating: "In addition to the technical issues surrounding the site causing high load, there is the legal issues around redistributing other peoples work. Screenplays are a form of expression and protected by copyright law. Fanfiction is a fairly clear area - while it is a copyright violation, most copyright holders do not care to enforce their copyrights regarding fan-fiction. However, for the actual screenplays for major Hollywood movies that have been produced, the story differs considerably. Even without a complaint, we can't allow you to host or link to unauthorized copies of such works.
I'm aware that this information is freely available on the internet, but I can also easily download the movies that these scripts are for from other sites on the internet. This does not affect the legality of the situation.
I'm sorry, but we won't be able to continue hosting the pdfscreenplays.net."
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Damn, missed out due to work. Any of you dudes would be nice enough to send me a pdf, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! uncapie@aol.com
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Wow, you had no idea this PDF would cause some interest among the film fan community? It's still showing in cinemas worldwide!
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thats enuf to make it 1000 times better...lucas and spielburg are still afraid to fully grow up
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But I wasn't prepared for AICN to link to it. Some notice would have been nice, so I could have at least prepared for it. Now I lost my whole goddamn site.
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Jun 12, 2008 1:26:37 AM CDT
To the assholes claiming they can write as well as Darabont...
by forrestal_was_good
Post your brilliant prose right here in the TB's. We'll settle this once and for all...
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Quit crying on the TB like a loser - Moriarty has an email address you know. But don't everybody send him an email at once... ;)
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... was for INDY 3, not INDY 4. That thing is ooooooooooold.
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... sorry about that. I didn't mean to kill your site. But you posting it was news. Hopefully you'll get your archives back and be able to continue.
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Morning mate. Thanks for the heads up. Any idea which draft this is? I read Frank wrote 2 or 3 versions...
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...still works you lazy dipshits!
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Go here...http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4234934/Frank_Darabont_s_Indy_4_Script_-_Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_o
If you can't get it, let me know at ben_prkns@yahoo.com, and I'll reply with a copy.
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I got the link to your site from Jeffery Wells' site, not this one.
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I will go to my grave being probably the only person on the planet not impressed with anything this guy has ever done and completely mystified but the accolades heaped upon him. I found Shawshank, Green Mile and the Majestic to be exceedingly dull and pretentious films. The Mist was a complete joke-just appallingly awful and no fun even in a "B-movie/'8 Legged Freaks'" kind of way.
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INDIANA JONES AND THE CITY OF THE GODS isn't very good. I actually think it borders on shitty. There is about six cringe-inducing lines in it. The kind of line that can make an entire theater groan. There are WAY too many characters. I just finished reading it less than 5 minutes ago and I can hardly remember half of them. I think the Yuri character is horrible on every level. And I HATE that Indy and Yuri are buddy buddy at the end. Stupid. I think that KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL is a bad movie, but I think that it would still be superior to a movie made from Darabont's script. And what is up with all the typos? How is it even possible that a professional screenwriter can't spell or proofread?
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FUCK YOU, George Lucas. And damn you to hell! Thanks for listening.
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...and it's boring me. Too much dialogue with Indy talking to some Russian doofus for 3 scenes and spying with binoculars. KOTCS puts you in the action right away--and that's exactly how you're supposed to start an "Indy" movie.
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If you'd told me that Frank Darabont would be repeatedly using the adjective "awesome" in his scene descriptions I would've laughed at you. There were moments when I thought I was reading something Michael Bay wrote. "The truck flips awesomely through the air again!" Really????
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Boy, that Columbus draft is...well, judge for yourself. But it lost me between Indy's heartbroken student affair trying to set herself afire and the pygmy tribe that Indy gets to fight Nazis. Whew.
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With the multiple factions all going after the city, it's a much more engaging plot line than Indy just sort of tagging along with the Russians. And it doesn't tell you in the first ten minutes that the big sercret is aliens, that's a plus. It doesn't say that the skull is alien shaped. I think overall it captured the character of Indy much better. Marion was a HUGE improvement. Why the hell someone majorly change this script is beyond me.
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I agree. That Columbus scripted suck. The whole time I was reading it, I kept thinking does he even know who Indiana Jones is?
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Quit your whining, you pathetic sheep. You all PAID to see the Crystal Garbage, so you have no right to complain. It's been known for years that Lucas was doing everything in his power to flush Indy down the toilet - it's been documented and recorded step-by-step on this site and others. So don't act so surprised that Crystal Skull indeed flushed Indy down the toilet - or three or four waterfalls at least. You paid to have your childhoods raped - AGAIN- so suck it up, Lucas-sheep.I'm proud to say that unlike you morons, I have not given Lucas a single penny of my money since Attack Of The Clones. And even then I'm kicking myself that I didn't bow out after TPM.Having said that, I WOULD have gone to see CITY OF THE GODS. It's not perfect - but it's not as terrible as CRYSTAL SKULL seems to be. Of course, there is one unsurmountable problem with the Darabont script and it's on the very first page: STORY BY GEORGE LUCAS.
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that's because he didn't like the movie. from now til the end of time he'll give anything lucas-related a positive review so he can get back in good with him since the Ep1 debacle. I mean, this guy gave ep2 and ep3 good reviews. ugh.
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The version that's online is not the actual script that was turned in. Someone retyped it, presumably to avoid the watermarking that was on every single page of any copy of the script. Before you get all crazy about typos or even dropped words, realize you're reading the verbal equivalent of a fuzzy Xerox.
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right up until he called Temple of Doom abysmal, which basically makes his review void.
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But you are one obnoxious git merriman. Did it give you a boner to type that? I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOO!!!! VALIDATE MEEEEEEEE!
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... when you consider it still has the aliens in it.
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in the Darabont script is terrible. At least Spielberg gave him a cool entrance in Skull.
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I couldn't resist:
http://indyhatesaliens.ytmnd. com/ (remove space)
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Jun 12, 2008 3:36:08 AM CDT
I still think Temple of Doom is better than Cystal Skull...
by the dum guy
That movie just rocks, and IMHO I think the series goes in order of release as to order of greatness.I can't say any of them suck, but it is like... say, a blowjob. Some are better than others, but you have to be a complete douche to rag on it completely.
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Temple of Doom is MILES better than Crystal Skull. You're right, order of release = order of greatness.
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...but overall I defintely wouldn't say it is better than KOTCS, and in fact would probably have been slightly poorer. Most importantly, a lot of the most contentious elements are still present (with the exception of the Tarzan scene) so those who hated KOTCS would still have hated Darabont's version.
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If it's not too much trouble, could anyone who has it please send it to lowlifeleonard@aim.com. Many thanks in advance.
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I'm a fan of Darabont's (I even like The Mist), but his Indy script is too wink wink, nudge nudge, not to mention dull.
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Ireally hated the new movie. I'm curious how a multimillionaire ego trippin gasbag can ruin a franchise. Berniexp30@hotmail.com
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I can look at this all a bit more objectively. Let me admit I spoke too soon with my last post.....mostly. At the end of the day this isn't much better than the Koepp script. If they had gone with this it would have been a slight improvement but still by far the worst Indy film. First of all it's got a TON of the same problems. On top of the waterfalls, nuclear bombs, random ants, tarzan swings, it even ADDS two new ridiculous set pieces. The biplane showdown (better in Crusade, MUCH better) and Indy actually getting swallowed whole by a giant fucking snake, which is....God I don't know what it is. It's also got some, not all, of the same character issues. Specifically Oxley, who is still a two dimensional annoying idiot, and instead of one way over the top villain it has like 5 very nondescript ones and a betrayal so obvious and telegraphed it doesn't even look like Darabont is trying to be anything but cliche. Villains, besides Mola Rom, have never been the franchise's strong suit but there is a happy middle ground. Too many characters in general actually, many meaningless to the plot Hama? Random German guy??. Also the Henry Sr. cameo is fucking horrible. Singing "Fly me to The moon"??? What the fuck is that crap? No wonder Connery turned it down. Once again the Indy accused of being a communist angle, while a good idea, is just as forced as it was in Koepps script, but at least Darabont bothers to resolve it. The alien ending, while better and more fleshed out than Koepp's, is still cliche and even a bit hammy with the whole Marion angle. And why is Indy still so fucking skeptical of everything? He's seen faces melted by Holy ghosts, a man rip out a still beating heart from a guys chest, and a cup that can cure gunshot wounds, I think his skepticism is probably tempered at this point. Also Indy is still too craggy in this script. I mean his fuckin intro is "Damn kids". Come on. I can't imagine Indy, just because he's older, has completely given up adventure. If anything it should be the adventures that dried up, not his passion for them. Otherwise why wouldn't he be married already if he had decided to settle down? Two things Darabont does do right. First of all is Marion, who is note perfect here and not the grinning window dressing she was in Koepps script. Also the set up for the adventure is much stronger here. it doesn't feel like some random tag along. The pacing in general is actually much stronger. Some of the dialogue is hokey but some of it, particularly Indy's one liners, is a lot better than Koepps. Over all though very disappointing. It seems like they just should have left this film in our imaginations all along. Damn.
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...when they light the flame to call forth the armies. Kind of like that.
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Could someone be able to e-mail me the script, as I am dying to see what theb genius Darabont did and how Lucus screwed it up. rumpunch71@hotmail.co.uk Many Thanks
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Can anyone email it to rumpunch71@hotmail.co.uk
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Several people above have posted links to download it, that would prolly be your best bet for acquiring it.
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Ironically Darabont is responsible for most of the crap elements in Skull, together with a whole slew that were thankfully eliminated. The Lucas haters got it completely wrong on this one.
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I agree- Darabont's script is nice and all but it doesn't really bring it forward much. It's all rather quaint. It does what's expected in terms of an homage to 'Raiders'. Maybe too much. All the elements kept in for the actual movie, however, were explained much better- Indy and Marion falling in love again, Oxley's purpose, the skulls, Peru...it was very clearly explained and gives you time to breathe. Marion is great here - great dialogue, and it's very much 'her'. The ending was a bit overboard though, in the chamber, with the men being given "wishes" and boiling it down to an Indy/Marion love story (with a frog). I can see why Spielberg and Lucas and Koepp wanted to add in some Mutt and Spalko, it ups the momentum and emphasises the era more...However, it's no excuse to just jam those new elements in there while throwing out good explanations and characterisations from this script, though.
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I'm reading the script now, and I'm already enjoying it far more than the movie. For me this will always be the Indy IV that should have been. It also feels much more substantive and consistent than the fluffy hodgepodge of KoTCS.
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it's starts kinda like Skull, but instead of the gopher there's lizzard, instead of one hot rod there are two, and instead of Elvis it's Bill Haley and the Comets. As you see, I'm on page 1. Thanks, Andrew...
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I knew that quote from that shit "Die Hard IV" could be useful at some point.
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Aw, hell no.
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wasn't that in men in Black?
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"Ketchup! It's a miracle!". Really, Frank Darabont?
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bladerunner2019@wowway.com
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that was ironic. I geddit now
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It’s superior in every way. What’s the same: jet sled; in fridge as nuke goes off; killer ants; aliens and flying saucer at end. What’s different: bland vanilla Indy’s son is gone; Indy is pursued as a spy traitor though movie, not acquitted by some General friend; terrific scene at the University’s museum/tower clock; a terrific fight with two planes; truck in a tree with truck’s fire put out in nick of time. I chuckled throughout. Generally speaking, the narrative is more linear and clear. Scenes are written better and not dopy. It’s really too bad they didn’t use this. Spielberg should have A) Bitch-slapped Lucas into using it, or B) Shot it in Hi-Def and cut on a digital non-linear editing system to appease Lucas so that this script was used. In any event, this script should have been used. (sigh) I feel bad for Frank Darabont. He worked on this for a year while conferring Spielberg. Spielberg loved it and Lucas vetoed it. I’ve been curious for a while to read this and I’m glad it’s seeing the light of day. I wonder if it’d been leaked to the internet earlier, then maybe Lucas could have been badgered into using it. Oh well.
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There are no aliems in "AI:Artificial Intelligence".
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or Aliens either... (:o)
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there is no way of paramount stopping this script now.
http://www.torrentportal.com/torrents-details.php?id=3301727
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email me a copy? preconcussion@gmail.com
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whoops forget that link use this
http://www.torrentportal.com/details/3301727/Indiana+Jones+and+the+City+of+the+Gods.pdf.html
or get it from here while it lasts ive uploaded it to radidshare.
http://rapidshare.com/files/121895342/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf
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damm stupid links just remove the spaces in the words.
http://rapidshare.com/files/121895342/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf
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Despite the groan-inducing self-referential dialogue in some parts and the obvious scenes Lucas wanted shoehorned into every draft of the script (the damn waterfalls and the giant bugs and reptiles, in specific), this was a much better approach to the material than the Nathanson/Koepp version that was finally used. While I liked the potential of Mutt Williams in the filmed movie (despite the ham-handed way he was introduced as Henry Jones III), I really liked the relationship between Indy and Marion Darabont set up in this script. It felt like a natural extension of the characters from the past and certainly gave Marion a much more active role in the proceedings. And speaking of active roles, this script had what was lacking most from the filmed version: Indiana Jones as a proactive participant. Instead of just being dragged along by a bad plot, Indy actually sets things in motion and keeps them moving in this script. Yeah, it didn't focus as much on him being older but it felt like much more of a growth of the character. I can see why Darabont was pissed they didn't use his draft. It would've made for a better movie and explained a lot more of the plot conveniences. And all of the supporting characters in this draft were much better written than filmed version. The one thing I'm glad that we didn't get to see out of this draft: Indy getting swallowed by a gargantuan snake. Pure Prequel Trilogy dreck that wouldn't have played well on screen at all. This draft even played the whole alien angle and flying saucer ending much better. And I liked that everything felt like an extension of the exploration drive that was behind the stories of each of the previous films. Overall, I'd give the film 1-1/2 stars out of four. I'd give this draft 2-1/2 stars.
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so far, the warehouse scene (that jet engine sequence would have been cool) and the marshall college scene are better in the darabont script.
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Wanted to add that I agree on Marion being written much better. She's throwing punches and much more like her old self than in the finished movie. Indy swallowed by a massive snake made me laugh. True it may be better on the page than onscreen, but it still made me laugh. I still think Darabont's draft is superior to the finished movie. What'd I think of the finished movie? I enjoyed it while watching it. Much of dialogue has that tinny cheese Lucas/"Titanic" Cameron quality. I'm glad I knew about the alien/saucer ending going in. The reason I knew is because someone blurted out it in the lobby before I entered the theatre. By knowing, I figured I was saved some groaning. What I liked best was simply seeing Indy back in action, the simple presence of Indiana Jones onscreen. Ultimately though, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is pretty forgettable. I haven't thought about it much since the one time I saw it. I doubt I'll bother with the DVD.
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People always pick their least favorite Indy sequel to poke at and say how Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is superior, but frankly I thought it was inferior to all the other movies. The slapped together shit that was the whole Mac arc alone ruined much of the movie's flow. I also think yes that Marion is badly handled, and despite my being thankful that they brought back Karen Allen, they brought HER back but left Marion the character just about out of the movie. I don't dislike Mutt though, and I wish someone like Darabont had been on board with making that character work without hurting Indy or Marion to please both fans and Lucas who I guess was spin-off minded about it. Nothing against a series about Mutt. Indy, as this movie proved, is over, he's old and not the same character and never will be again. Another actor will not recapture it, and unless they use that Beowulf technology to make virtual movies with a CGI young Ford (oh how that will be reviled by the CGI hating bitches), I don't see a future for Indy anymore. That's probably the saddest cut of all. For all my talk, I didn't think CRYSTAL SKULL was awful, and not the disappointment that was EPISODE 1--more like EPISODE 2 but without the awful love dialogue.
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that George Lucas doesn't know his ass from a bloody hole someone stomped into the side of his head.
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ozzie1980@googlemail.com
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Could someone/anyone email me Frank D's INDY 4 script?
Here's my email address:
walkerdollahon@hotmail.com
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I've literally just finished reading the script straight after watching the film at the cinema here in Auckland.
Having read the takbacks over the last few weeks and reading / listening to various reviews, I went in fully expecting to be disappointed...and I have to say, I came out pretty fucking satisfied.I agree 100% that Lucas should (a) never be allowed behind the camera (b) never be allowed to write dialoge and (C) should only be allowed a total of 3 CGI shots in a film......all of which were elements that dragged the film down (except for the first one - at least Spielberg was directing....and it was worth the ticket price alone to see the mushroom cloud and Indy silhoutte.Yes, the film had problem - Marion's an afterthought, John Hurt is criminally underused and Shia is.......well, he just is.But people, it WAS fun. The IJ saga is firmly in mold of the Flash Gordon / Rocketeer serials of the 40's and 50's and they're simply not meant to be anything other than fun.And whilst I have the utmost respect for FD, that script was way too top heavy with unnecessary characters and set pieces....although I really enjoyed the return of snake phobia.Chill out, enjoy KOTCK for what it is. -
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For confirming this is the real deal. But is this his first or final draft? It's been mentioned before that he wrote one with Nazi's rather than Russians and a 13 year old daughter for Indy and Marion. As this one's closer to the finished film than those ideas I'd assuming this was a later draft of his.
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...but so far I prefer KotCS. This one reads like fan-fic.
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davebaxter1989@hotmail.co.uk
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Pretty please? christa.ktorides@btinternet.com
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written his own script for this film? He is a 2true2scribe.
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...to make your e-mail adress public in an AICN talback? Just saying...
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http://tinyurl.com/64fhrf
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DerLang, you have a point, but it's early in the morning and I just don't care. Plus, the Warciples aleady know where to find me. Nonbelievers will be summarily converted
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shame I'm so fundamentally opposed to SPAM!!
so it would seem this film was destined to fail YEARS ago and NO amount of rewrites were EVER going to save it!
personally I had no problem with the Alien premise. Chariots of the Gods. Stargate. I GET IT. It was just so meh...
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Been through the 40 first pages and I enjoyed them a lot. It surely feels like something I would have loved on screen as it is more mature in every aspects. My point is Indy has aged and so have the fans, and in this version they do not try to sell us Indy for the new generation.
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I think the films progressively got worse and worse - as the filmmakers got older and older, it seems
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Mine would have a painful death for Shia and Whatshername naked apart from thigh high leather boots. Quality.
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If he has, thank the lord.
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shaunguillan@hotmail.com
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It sounds like a fun read. Maybe he'll write Indy V
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http://tinyurl.com/64fhrfDon't reveal your email like that.
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I found the ending here more wishy-washy and New Age-y and it is more blatant that the aliens imposed their knowledge onto Earthlings and taught ancient cultures, loved being worshipped by humans and loved human sacrifices given to them and being petty and mean etc. All that 'Oxley as an Alien' explaining everything is just too much. I've only seen the movie once and the whole 13 aliens and their skulls, skeletons and/or bodies was a bit confusing, and reading it here it's actually even more confusing and more nonsensical since they try to explain everything.
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at the part where Indy (under suspicion) bids farewell to his students. That would have been great to see
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Luckily it isn't MY email, but my friend's. Oh well mwuhahahaha
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Darabont's script still there.
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the more I read, the more the KotCS looks shitty in comparison. Come on! this scene in the museum with a drunken Indy would have been priceless ! Not to mention Marion Ravenwood handled with much more care and at least with the minimum care she would have deserved.
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thank you! got it!
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...I got here really late too. Could someone find it in their geeky hearts to email it me. Johnk@playwithus.co.uk.
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Lost Island of Darbont's Infernal Lawsuit. Damn no wonder he was so pissed. it's all true. Lucas took the script, watered down anything edgy and took total credit for it. holeeeee shit.
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is a email spammer's heaven.
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I have to say it, the Darabont screenplay was god awful! It makes Koepp's Crystal Skull script look like something off of the Coen Brothers' work desk.
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and to be honest I think its pretty poor. Too many characters, too much fanboy pandering... but Marion is written much better. So far I actually prefer KOTCS....
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I finally saw KOTCS last night. Of course, I'd read the reviews etc and knew what to expect. So before the showing, I made sure to lower my expectations as far as they could possibly go. Then I bashed my head repeatedly with a mallet until 90% of my brain cells were dead. And then as the lights dimmedi n the theatre I completely switched off what was left of my brain.But I still couldn't believe how bad the movie was.I genuinely couldn't understand how professional filmmakers with years of experience could concoct such a shambolic mess that systematically destroys everything that was good about the franchise. I mean, if they had INTENDED to kill off the franchise, they couldnt have done a better job.And then it occured to me.They DID intend to kill the Indy franchise.Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has been DELIBERATELY designed to be abysmal. Just think about it:Gophers; Nuking the fridge; promising there'll be no CGI and then drowning the movie in CGI; the fan-baiting Shia Leboeuf; interminable meaningless exposition; carrying around an unimpressive "crystal" skull made of tin foil and cling film that lazily gets them out of tight spots; falling off THREE waterfalls; Mutt swinging with the monkeys; bad ideas borrowed from the Mummy Returns; the flying saucer; bringing back Karen Allen but NOT bringing back marion Ravenwood; ending with a cheesy wedding; that final "passing the hat" scene.....Guys, Indy 4 is THE BIGGEST PRACTICAL JOKE EVER PLAYED ON THE MOVIE-GOING PUBLIC. Every last detail of KOTCS has been DELIBERATELY designed for MAXIMUM annoyance to the fans. It's blindingly obvious. This is George Lucas' revenge for the reception we've given the Star Wars prequels and the constant hatred directed at him. I guarantee, I GUARANTEE that Lucas bet Spielberg that the he could make the shittiest possible movie and that it would STILL be a huge box office smash. He set out to prove that we would swallow anything, no matter how stupid - and he's been proven right.So there you have it, folks. The biggest practical joke ever pulled -and the joke's on us. You've just gotta laugh.
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And yet it ain't. Not by a mile. Darabont had just as many groan inducing moments here that were in the actual movie. The warehouse scene is terrible save for the test rockets that Indy is dodging which really felt like a true Indy moment. Otherwise, much of it is rubbish.The one thing the script (and movie) is missing is an opening scene that is action-packed with an item unrelated to the rest of the film. Raiders had the temple/idol, Doom had the club/urn, Crusade had the train/Cross of Coronado. This script/movie needed the same introduction to Indy. KOTCS doesn't count because Indy was introduced coming out of a trunk and the warehouse scene was poorly done what with magnetic gunpowder and the sporadic magnetic qualities of the skull.I can't believe this is the Darabont script I was jonesing to read the last couple years. Frank really created some dreadful dialogue and action sequences here. Like someone said above, it feels more like fanfic.
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At the moment Lucas decided against using it, the script officially became fan fiction. So why does Paramount give a rip about removing it? At this point no one owns the rights to it.
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Whoever you are, thanks very much mate, you're an absolute legend
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That's beyond my understanding and I am only half way through. This draft, despite its obvious flaws, was much more promising.
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That demanded Human sacrifice & monument building etc etc.
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So, the hosting company has taken the site offline because the Darabont draft of Indy IV
"was found to be consuming an inordinate amount of processor time, to the point of degrading overall system performance".
But here's the good news:
"In addition to the technical issues surrounding the site causing high load, there is the legal issues around redistributing other peoples work. Screenplays are a form of expression and protected by copyright law. Fanfiction is a fairly clear area - while it is a copyright violation, most copyright holders do not care to enforce their copyrights regarding fan-fiction. However, for the actual screenplays for major Hollywood movies that have been produced, the story differs considerably. Even without a complaint, we can't allow you to host or link to unauthorized copies of such works.
I'm aware that this information is freely available on the internet, but I can also easily download the movies that these scripts are for from other sites on the internet. This does not affect the legality of the situation.
I'm sorry, but we won't be able to continue hosting the pdfscreenplays.net."
Oh, by good, I actually meant what the fuck. What about all of those other script sites? Hmm... I guess that's what happens when you try to be visionary. I can assure you this isn't the end.
“Keep on beginning and failing. Each time you fail, start all over again, and you will grow stronger until you have accomplished a purpose - not the one you began with perhaps, but one you'll be glad to remember.” - Anne Sullivan
In the meantime, you guys know how to find me. I'm the least hardest person to find on the internet.
Thanks,
Sheridan Cleland
UPDATE: Here's what really happened in one of those moments of, "Gee, what could have caused that traffic spike?": http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37049
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As stated above, it pains me to say this, but this script is only marginally better than the Koepp one. Darabont was the one who gave us the atomic fridge, the Indy as traitor storyline, the waterfalls, the vine swinging......basically all the things that made KOTCS unbearable. And the scene of a drunken Indy trying to steal the fertility idol from Raiders is appallingly bad. Leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that my morning coffee tastes like battery acid.I'd like to know how much of this was ideas fed to Frank from George. Regardless, 80% of this script is crap.
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1) The Darabont script is better than Koepp's, even if it isn't without its flaws.
2) Most of you who read it probably had a movie version of it running in your head -- a movie version of the script as if directed by the Spielberg of 1981-1984. I know I did. However, if the Spielberg who directed KOTCS had directed Darabont's script, it would in all liklihood still have been a feeble flick. Good Indy movies are always a combination of a great script and wonderful execution so that when one aspect falters a bit, the other can back it up. In KOTCS, the ideas were good, but the script AND the execution were below par.
What makes KOTCS ultimately so frustrating is how Karen Allen was utilized. As a talkbacker mentioned earlier, Karen Allen returned, but Marion Ravenwood did NOT. If they had just gotten the chemistry to work between Allen and Ford and made their reunion more believable, the other stuff would have been forgivable. Nuked fridges, CGI prairie dogs and lots of the other things that seem to make other talkbackers' balls itch didn't bug me one bit, but how they handled the Marion-Indy relationship did.
On a side note, not only is Mac a totally useless character, but the more I think about it the more it seems like he's moving through the film BACKWARDS. It's the funniest goddamn thing. His "big" reveals and actions are ludicrously out of place for the duration of the movie but would make much more sense and have a greater impact if they had been shuffled around a bit. Mac is like some guy who bumbled into the wrong movie and is trying to fit in. The biggest reveal, that he's double-crossed Indy happens in the first five minutes, when we have literally no interest in the character and thus no sense of betrayal when he turns the gun on Indy. It's like: "So?"
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...was in the Saucermen script too, IIRC. My guess is that's one of Lucas' ideas, since it's in every version.
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work keeps interfering. I like some of it, but some other stuff sucks. I didn't understand why Indy, even a drunk Indy, would suddenly go against everything he's worked for and steal back museum items he was so adamant about providing for them (since that's where they 'belonged'). Also, I did not like that Indy was eating on two different occasions inside the first six or so pages. I don't need to see Indy eat that badly.
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Adam Beach as Turok in film adaptation. Bow and arrows and dinos? Maybe a video game movie that could actually be good. In a video game/movie way.
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What's worse than a drunken Indy stealing things he gave to the museum? Being fully off his ass drunk and then sobering up the instant a bullet whizzes by his head. This is an Indiana Jones movie, not a Johnny Fever movie. You put a bottle of scotch into any man and let's see how agile he is.This drop dead drunk one moment, sober enough to fight the next crap that Hollywood thrusts upon us got old a long time ago. Seriously, who thinks that nonsensical sewage is entertaining.
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i liked indy and the skulls and now after each page of this it keeps getting better and better.
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I wanted to love this movie but I couldn't. The script was shit and the screenwriter took George's "Writing Dialog for Film" class...and passed with flying colors. And Steven, jeez, man, you couldn't coax better dialog delivery out of the actors? Ooof. Okay, I have no problem with the MacGuffin in this film but there were far too many stupid plot choices. And what was with the total lack of scope in this movie? It looked like 90% of it was shot on a smallish sound stage. Why oh why couldn't they have hired Kasdan to write it?
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Anyone know where I can find Shane Black's original draft for Lethal Weapon 2? The one with the drug plane exploding over LA and Rigg's dying at the end. Thanks!
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Darabont's reads like fan fiction (like many stated above). Too many lines from past movies. When Indy and Marion meet at the bar, and they role reversal the whole RAIDERS meeting in Nepal. Not good. Although there were some good Marion lines in this script.
Too much dialog relying on the past movies hurts the script. If what was said above (about Koepp not wanting to put previous film dialog into KOTCS because it reads like fanfic), then I damn well applaud Koepp for it. -
Yuri was annoying at the beginning. And I always enjoyed the Indy films because they usually start "in media res", in the middle of things. We pick up the movie in the middle of one of Indy's adventures, and this script doesn't really allow for that.
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"I've got a bad feeling about this".
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"The monkey pooped on my chest" line? Any thoughts on THAT
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Jun 12, 2008 9:53:51 AM CDT
"I've got a bad feeling about this" was in DARABONT'S draft !
by nodiggity
along with Indy calling the Alien "Your worshipfulness". Two fanboy lines referring to Han Solo.
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"I've got a bad feeling about this" doesn't nearly grate as "Adventure has a name" and "If there's one thing my father taught me it's self-reliance" and "Marion Ravenwood. I alwasy knew someday you'd come walking through my door..." and the fortune and glory stuff at the wedding.
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... from Darabont's script, but never got around to replacing it with anything. Darabont's fanboy dialogue sucked, but at least it was there.
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david koepp, screenwriter of the crystal skull, adapted war of the worlds, spider-man, mission impossible, and jurassic park. hes not some lackey spielberg dug up to rip off darabont's old ideas. and the chances of spielberg and lucas taking what darabont offered and hiring a new guy to tweak those few plot points are slim.
I'd have to agree - why hire the likes of Koepp only to have him 'punch up' a completed screenplay? He's not the kind of guy you hire for that. It would be like offering a massive contract to Boeing to put together your Estes model rocket for you. -
Jun 12, 2008 10:05:38 AM CDT
The Mist Was One Of The Best Genre Films I've Ever Seen
by fassbinder79
I am a huge fan of the vast majority of Darabont's work and I think he is one of the most talented directors working. But having read this script I've gotta say most of the problems Crystal Skull had appear to have been FD's fault (particularly in regard to major setpieces) and not Lucas' as I expected. I really wish people would stop blaming Lucas for everything. It looks like at the end of the day the collectve team behind Indy 4 just couldn't get a good script together. They shouldn't have made the film. The dialogue is pretty awful in this script. It might even be worse than what was in the final film. :(
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I enjoyed the "conversation" with Marcus Brody's statue ... I have to admit that the stealing part kinda annoyed me ... but not as much as Marcus head rolling on Shita's lap.
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I think George's late idea to pass the baton on to a younger character (Mutt) was what killed this script. Most likely, Darabont refused or was unable to rewrite his script to include him. With Ford threatening not to do the movie if a script wasn't approved quickly, Lucas quickly enlisted Koepp to do the hasty rewrite.
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and has tainted too many blockbusters. if tom stoppard worked on the last crusade then i'm sure it wasn't beneath the great literary giant that is david koepp from just "fixing" a few things on darabont's script
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Jun 12, 2008 10:14:06 AM CDT
I didn't realize "I've got a bad feeling..." was in Darabont's t
by rev_skarekroe
I'm STILL not finished reading it. A) I'm at work and B) screenplays are kind of a chore to get through, especially in .pdf format. At least for me.
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E-mail to cmbrown15@yahoo.com if possible. Thanks in advance.
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Jun 12, 2008 10:19:14 AM CDT
CALLING ALL "NUKE THE FRIDGE" SHEEP!
by megan foxx malicious sense of irony
YOUR LOVE-TO-HATE SCENE WAS IN THAT FILMMAKING MESSIAH FRANK DARABONT'S SCRIPT WHICH HE FUCKING LOVED SO MAYBE NOW ALL OF YOU WILL GROW THE FUCK UP. INDIANA JONES IS AN ACTION/ADVENTURE SERIES FIRMLY GROUNDED IN THE REALMS OF FANTASY, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED THIS BY NOW, THEN YOUR CREATIVE MINDS ARE IN ABJECT POVERTY. THIS SCENE WAS A MOMENT OF PERIL THAT HAD AN INGENIOUS PAY-OFF. GEORGE LUCAS AND STEVEN SPIELBERG LAUGH AT YOU AND LAUGH AT YOUR PATHETIC ATTEMPTS TO GET THIS NON-PHRASE INTO THE ENTERTAINMENT LEXICON. GET YOUR OWN OPINIONS YOU BITTER BASTARDS!
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He was the bridge between Darabont and Koepp and his draft must be damn close to the final one to get a "Story By" credit when Darabont was denied one.
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I think all franchises suffer from a bad apple now and again (James Bond, anyone?). The thing with Bond is that there are so fricking many of them to choose from!
Would you guys have preferred the Lucas and co. continued to make Indy movies through the 90s, even if one or two of them turned out to be duds?Unlike STAR WARS, which is a long-running story, the serial nature of Indy pretty much allows for shifts in tone and premise from one movie to the next. -
twanebo@yahoo.com Thanks!
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How can there be so many thick people on one public forum? I wouldn't be surprised if this thread got deleted just to save people from their own stupidity.
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The more I physically want to take a human life.Everyone involved with this project was out of their f-ing minds.Finally read the MiraJeff stuff on the Capone "Zohan" review TB. I think I've pieced the whole debacle together. Interesting to say the least. What I find intriguing is that AICN refuses to cover anything by Uwe Boll but fawns over steaming shitpiles of stuff like "Gone" and abortions like "Rise of the Silver Surfer." I'm not making excuses for Boll, I think he needs to crawl under a rock and stay there, but to paint him as the only guy in Hollywood producing trash is ludicrous. MiraJeff might have been a douche, but he has no less credibility than someone who thought Lady in the Water was cinematic gold.Anyway, I'm getting off the subject here. Reading this script just riles up my anger over people who continue to give movies like "Crystal Skull" and "Spider Man 3" a pass while crapping on everything else. And leaves me dumbfounded how the filmmakers can look at these movies and not think they just squeezed out a corn-filled turd.
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Jun 12, 2008 10:42:00 AM CDT
A few years ago I read that infamous "Indy IV" script...
by jackpumpkinhead
"Indiana Jons & the Sons of Darkness" and I thought "Wouldn't it be funny if they made IJ4 and it turned out worse than this script?"
And guess what, it did. Check out the "Sons": http://www.theindyexperience.com/films/indy_4_fan_scripts.php
It does have a mini-Shia in it, but it's not bad for a fan script whose author tried to fake being Jeffrey Boam and got Lucasarts lawyers barking at him. It's better than Koepp's and definitely better than Darabont's, that's for sure. -
The "nuke the fridge" scene was clever and looked cool, to be sure. Problem is, unlike other scrapes Indy gets out of, there is no change--NO CHANCE--this could ever happen in reality. We can suspend our disbelief when the odds are against Indy, but at least in those cases, there ARE odds, which means, a slim chance he'll survive. It's been established that "nuking the fridge" is something that can NOT happen in our reality.
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Please! jjoel007@aol.com
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I didn't hate the film but I recognize its flaws. For me, one of the big ones (aside from the fridge, CGI, etc), is how there was never a "reluctant hero saddling up one last time" moment or feel to it. I know that would have been a bit hackneyed, but I really think it could have worked for this film. Y'know, some danger that was SO GREAT that it brought Indy out of retirement. I thought the film's opener should have been about Indy's protoge (whoever that would be) in some kind of peril that actually kills him. Then we cut to Indy the schoolteacher, retired from the "fortune and glory" biz. He finds out about his protoge's death and what he was after (hell, make it crystal skulls - it doesn't really matter). Indy wrestles with the loss and its implications and decides to go and finish the job that the protoge started, face the danger, whatever. Hero reluctantly saddles up for one last ride. I think that would have worked much better than what we got, which was an old guy who still, apparently, does all the shit that he did as a youngster. Which struck me as somewhat pathetic. We were denied the real triumphant "he's back!" moment. Make this like Unforgiven where the hero (or antihero) comes out of retirement. I think that would have really rewarded the audience for waiting two decades to see Indy, plus give us an opening that fucks with our expectations (shows a different protagonist and kills him/her). Like I said, it's been done before, but I think it could have worked really well.
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soft, supple, erotic nude scenes courtesy Cate Blanchett. Nude showering in the waterfall. Reclining nude on some fancy bed in a mansion, you get the idea
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Jun 12, 2008 10:48:04 AM CDT
Oh, yeah: it could've been worse. Check out Chris Columbus.
by jackpumpkinhead
And his inventive take on Mista Docta Jones:
http://www.houseofhobbits.com/blog/?p=7
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Thanks for destroying PDFScreenplays before I had a chance to look at 1% of the scripts it had. I know I said it earlier, but I didn't say thanks then.
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Its certainly as stupid as KOTCS, it's got far too many ludicrous action sequences and I'd have been rolling my eyes in the aisles just like I was when I watched KOTCS. I agree with Koepp - constantly quoting things you said once, 20 years ago, is ridiculous. There were parts that were better, the ending is far, far worse. I can only assume Lucas said he wanted the follwing: A Nuclear Explosion, Swinging on Vines through trees, The Crystal Skull to give psychic messages, 3 Waterfalls and a stupid fucking tree that defies the laws of physics.
As well as an old man who can take more beatings than Superman.
Don't start on the 'Indy has always had ludicrous set-pieces' because they were OTT but there were a limit to them in each film. They set up the rules of that universe - Indy isn't invincible, he stumbles through and survives incredible things - and in this film they threw that away and just said forget any hint of realism -he is invincible, as are Oxley & Marion (and Mutt in the film / Yuri in this script).
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Darabont's script is extremely wordy and drawn out (which is what I would expect of him). I couldn't even tell what was going on half the time and for a simple, pulpy action movie like "Indiana Jones" that's a really bad sign. Koepp is no genius but he at least put together something that felt more or less like a IJ movie.
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Definitely would have made it a better movie.
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from the finished product. I'm glad they retained most of Darabont's ideas. So much so I think Darabont deserves some story credit. All the things people were complaining about would have still been in the film. Seriously why are we still complaining?
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Right. And I wouldn't even insist that some other hot chick must have sex with her. Spalko could just be there naked, masturbating. But other hot chicks would be cool
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Darabont's and Koepp's drafts are mishmashes of ideas that have been carried through since 1995 or earlier. George Lucas penned the outline, and all of these writers were held to fitting a workable script around common elements -- nuked fridge, Commies, aliens.
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Thanks!
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That actually isn't true- there was a review of Boll's masterpiece with Ray Liotta in it on AICN- I just think they refused to cover anything to do with Miratwat's stupid publicity stunt for Postal. I like the way he whinged because he got in trouble for turning up to do a review stoned. If this is a job for him, then he should have been fired on the spot. As he wasn't getting paid, damn right they shouldn't accept anything with such obviously tainted judgement.
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So that's what I needed to enjoy Transformers.MiraJeff boxing Boll was indeed a dumbarse stunt. From the back and forth between MJ and Mori, it sounded like AICN refused to have anything to do with Boll, but now that you mention it, I do remember reading a review of Dungeon Siege (or whatever it was called) on this site.Reading this script has ruined my day. A glass of scotch and a Celtics win tonight might redeem it, but this bitter taste isn't going away anytime soon.
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Please send to rd52564@aol.com. Thanks in advance.
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...somebody please, please share Shane Black's original draft of LETHAL WEAPON 2 (subtitled PLAY DIRTY?). How I have longed to read that one.
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I was off my tits when I saw mars attacks. However, I do blame him for posing as a professional critic and attempting to review said movie. It's unprofessional, and does he really need someone to tell him that weed fucks up your judgement?
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Don't read this script. It'll taint anything of Darabont's that you actually like. The dialogue here is the worst.Really though, I want to see the crib notes from Lucas that stated exactly what Darabont had to include.
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robofett@hotmail.comI will be most appreciative and change my aicn name to reflect your generosity
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please please pritty please
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http://dl.free.fr/getfile.pl?file=/Bxkz0sDW/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf
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The atomic bomb explodes, completely obliterating the atomic test town. We see the COMMUNIST HOODS also get taken out by the blast as they flee in the car. But what about our famed archaeologist? CUT TO:
The refrigerator flies through the air, blown away by the bomb's blast, and lands a safe distance away with a roll and tumble intact upon the desert floor, amid scorched earth and burning sage brush. And in typical Indy fashion, the refrigerator door opens, and our hero emerges unscathed and unharmed from the household appliance, and into AICN talkback history. -
If anyone has a copy, and wouldn't ming emailing it to me, i'd much appreciate it!
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Exactly, I really though Spielberg would lend a little melancholy to the movie, about an old guy being forced into action again to relive the exploits of his youth, something along the lines of Unforgiven. They totally abandoned that though. I reckon there will be another Indy movie in 3 years - it's a cash cow all over again for Spielberg and Lucas.
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The beings you see at the end of A.I. are not "aliens" - they are David's descendants, following 2000 years of robot evolution after the extinction of the human race cleared the way for their development. That's why they're excavating frozen Manhattan - they're looking for their origins. They might be tall and spindly and alien-like, but they're definitely robots. You can even see the circuitry beneath their "skin", and they literally download information from David's "brain" and display it on their faces like television sets.
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..why Darabont doesn't get a screen credit! That's ALL I don't understand. The script was worse than the movie. I loved the movie. Good try, Frank, the the Holy Trinity made the right decision eventually (even if they had to fight about it).
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Okay, so I follow one of several links to Rapidshare, and it challenges me to enter a four character access code from a set of 7 distorted characters with small animal figures which are also distorted. "Enter only those symbols attached to cats."
WTF??? Which are "cats"? Is that a dog? A cat? A cow?
I guess this is really Rapidshare's way of saying, "Forget it buddy, you ain't getting this file unless you pony up for paid access!"
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Way to obfuscate: "protocol tango, hotel, x-ray, one, one, three, eight"
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but the pdf of the script is like 5MB and my server is retarded.
And by the way, if anyone is even for a second thinking of sending me all kinds of junk and porno trash to my private email...
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Why is it only 64 pages?
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There were some good bits in this script especially setting the aliens up as an enemy. However the Yuri character is boring and as useless as his Mac equivalent in KOTCS. There were also way too many characters introduced in the 2nd act for no reason other than to get killed by ants/rapids. That being said, Indy gets more time to be Indy and Marion feels like a real character again, not just Karen Allen as herself.
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...and suck my beardy cock. Let me unload my black beardy jizz down your throats while I stick a finger up my cheesy asshole and then wipe it in your hair. Yes brothers and sisters, soon you will learn that I was right ALL ALONG to murder Darenbont's script. Soon you too will understand why I, the beardy cocksucker of your waking nightmare, was put here on earth... to destroy your love for my original trilogies, to break down your franchise fan fever. Franchises which I alone created... and I alone can destroy. Star Wars? Fuck you and your memories of 77, 80 and 83 - you mother fuckers can chew on Jar Jars nut sack. And don't you give me anymore shit over Jones, do you hear me? Fuck you and your momma, shit while you where jerking off to Marion's tight silk dress in 81, sniffing your sisters panties in 84 and soddomizing your mother in 89, I was rimming some Indian boy from the set of Doom and all the time laughing at you stupid mother fuckers for buying a ticket at the box office in the first place. The films where garbage. That's right, I only made them as a dare to Stevie. I said "Jeez, these people are just soooo dumb, I bet these suckers would even go and pay watch me take a dump on their front lawn." And one more thing, when I am gone, you will have never been. What will your world be without me? The universe is mine and you are all my children. Putty, meaningless and stupid. And I'm going to fuck each and every one of you again and again until you learn to enjoy my shit. Consider your childhood, adulthood and oldage RAPED. RAPED. RAPED. RAPED. RAPED. RAPED. RAPED.
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It's OKAY to like the fridge scene. It's just that, if you refer to it one way or another, you must use some form of the phrase "nuke the fridge." So you should have said something like, "I LOVE NUKING THE FRIDGE! F ALL YOU DOUCHES THAT DON'T" and that would have been cool
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Why was there food in the fridge? Were the noo-kyoo-lar physicists blowing up the whole fake town just to see if groceries in a lead-lined fridge could survive the blast? If so, it was lucky Indy found that shit.
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one place where Paramount and fucking Lucas can't touch it :)
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Who fucking cares? Hunter S. Thompson covered a fucking Presidential election stoned outta his fucking mind, and he got it right.
Of course, Mira is no Thompson, either.
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I'm the 1000th person requesting this. But if anyone has it, please send to hambone7774@yahoo.com.
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I was actually expecting the movie to ba actively annoying, and Darabont's draft is actually annoying in the way I expected. I did not find Indy 4 to be much more than ... boring. You can't hate it, but as you said, it's forgettable. I'm amazed that you, and Lost Jarv and Pazuzu are all resigned to saying it wasn't very good. There was no fun there for you to defend against the Haters. There's also nothing for the Haters to hate. Just Nothing all around. Man.
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Yeah! And Indy should have left some food in there, so he could have had a ham sandwich and a cool glass of milk during his ride out of town.
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The same reason there were clothes on the dummmies. The same reason there was furniture in the house. The same reason there were fences in the yards and a running garden hose in the hands of the dummy on the lawn. The same reason EVERYTHING was in the fake town. So the NUCLEAR physicists could see how EVERYTHING would survive a blast. Not JUST groceries in a lead lined fridge. But you had to have known that, right? Or, at least, you SHOULD have.
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and for douchebags drooling over Walll*E, let it go.
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... arguing about The Hat was fun.
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And it's the worst of the bunch. Isn't there ONE single good Indy story written anywhere? I need something to wash this taste out of my mouth.
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I liked the Reggie Nalder gag in the script. God bless Reggie!
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Your description is EXACTLY the Indiana Jones movie I wished I could see. You know, make it mean something that there's another film 20 years later. Not just a weak attempt at making money, where the great hero is introduced being thrown out of a trunk. But your idea would require too much of a mature and intelligent approach, and Lucas clearly just wanted to make a B-movie.
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Its called Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. It was an adventure game that came out on PCs in the mid-1990s. It had an intriguing premise, a great plot, terrific suspense and plenty of humour. It was everything Kingdom Of the Crystal Skull wasn't. I remember being totally enthralled by it and I wish they had filmed THAT rather than the garbage that is now with us.Still, as I've said above, It's clear that Lucas deliberately played a practical joke on fans by putting in so many elements designed to cause us maximum disappointment and annoyance. So, credit where it's due: the man definitely succeeded in what he set out to do.
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I know what can wash that taste out of your mouth. Col. Dr. Ivana Spalko, reclining nude supine akimbo
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So hiding in a fridge to esacpe a nuclear blast "can't happen in our reality" but other stuff in the Indy films can? Like ghosts flying out of the Ark and melting the Nazis? Or Knights from the Crusades living hundreds of years? Or Mola Ram removing a man's heart in a non-surgical manner without killing him? Yeah, you're right. Indy movies are far too based in reality for stuff like the fridge incident.
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It would be fascinating if Lucas & Spielberg would be willing to address the changes and explain why they went a different direction. I would have loved to have seen Marian have more to do. I didn't mind the son. His character helped the 50's setting. I still thought the alien thing was stretching things but it was a very 50's thing.
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I expect this from Lucas, but you shouldn't have let this happen. Shia Labouf, and his tarzan swinging, ruined this movie. And to think he wasn't even in darabont's draft??? ahh shit. maybe Lebouf and shortround can team up for indy 5!
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Of course that stuff can't happen. But those aren't Indy escapes. They're silly stuff associated with the religious / spiritual aspects of the stories. So I can suspend my disbelief in that regard, "Oh, it's occult magic. Oh, it's the magic of the ark--the power of God like Indy says." I agree with you, that those are fantastical elements in the Indy movies. But those are all quasi-teleological / occult based events. They are not Indy "get-aways" like dodging bullets behind a rolling shield, slashing a suspension bridge in half, being dragged by a truck, fleeing from a temple that has poison darts and runaway boulders...all of which COULD, however improbable in some cases, exist in our world. In fact, just the other day I had to flee from a bunch of bloodthirsty savages with bolas and hatchets after I swiped their beloved fuckin' gay statue
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That is far and away the creepiest thing I've ever read on an AICN TB. The fact that I can actually imagine Lucas the Hutt saying it makes it somehow worse. Thanks for forever tainting my nightmares. You scare me.
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I thought alucard's entry was pretty funny actually--but in a creepy way
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And by up there I mean your rectum.How many times does it have to be said on these TBs. The Ark, the Grail, those were SUPERNATURAL elements so when they are unleashed, you regard them from a different perspective.Jumping into a lead lined fridge and bouncing several miles and surviving atomic shockwaves and extreme heat is not supernatural, it's just idiotic.90% of Americans believe in angels but less than 0.00001% believe I'm presenting banging Megan Fox, so we're ready to suspend disbelief when it comes to the supernatural, but turn our nose up at things that, based in reality, appear retarded.
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Still wondering why Marion spent the movie grinning like a cult member all the way through the movie. Why they wrote John Hurt into the movie as a mute, stoned doofus. Why the fuck Shia LeQueef even exists, let alone is being groomed for the next Indy. Why they nuked the fucking fridge. Why the action was all CGI, why the set pieces were so fucking slow (jungle chase and motorbike chase notwithstanding), why they actually thought we'd buy Shia as a tough greaser, why the FUCK THEY BOTHERED AT ALL!!!
It ain't the money. It ain't revisiting old times (because you'd think they'd at least REWATCH THE PREVIOUS FUCKING MOVIES). It ain't because there was an adventure that needed to be told. The Beards made this to show us that if they wanted to fuck with the franchises we loved, they could and would. It was to punish us for hating the STAR WARS prequels, which sucked. That's the only explanation that makes sense. I don't know what the fuck else would drive them all to make such a fucking "MEH" movie. God, was I bored during KOTCS... -
and yet 90% believe in Angels. People are. . . uh, kind of stupid.
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Agreed. Funny, but creepy. WAY creepy...
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OK, I was looking at the wrong data. Went and double-checked my data. It turns out 78% of Americans believe in angels. My bad.
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They should have filmed Indy bouncing around inside the fridge as it was riding the shock wave, like that MC 900 Ft. Jesus video "If I Only Had A Brain".
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in another Indy TB a couple months back. The thing that makes Indy "Indy" is that he has these adventures and gets into these scrapes, and you wonder how he's gonna get out of it. Often, like James Bond, freak luck comes into play. But escaping the bad guys or avoiding peril against 1000/1 odds is exactly what makes him Indy. Because for the most part, the dangers COULD be real in our world. That's why we're able to identify with them. "Uh-oh, he's trapped between machete-wielding Thuggee guards on a suspension bridge! How's he gonna get out of this?" The danger FEELS palpable, so we buy into it. Heck, even Indy himself muttered "Oh shit" during that scene. In KOTCs, fun though it may be, there is no real danger the primary campaign for the skull against the russians. No "oh shit moments" where you feel like Indy's gonna buy it. A waterfall just didn't cut it for me. Not even three of them. You'll recall the temple at Akator had no booby traps or hidden dangers at all. The only mystery was how to get inside.
All the supernatural / occult elements in the series, I process mentally in a different way, because Spielberg clearly presents them for what they are--religious objects or occurrences that exist in the realm of super-reality. A little preposterous, to be sure (like the ripping out of hearts and exploding of Nazi skulls), but so long as Spiel-Cas plays by those rules, it's okay. I can go along with that. If something weird or paranormal occurs in the movie, I can process it and accept it as long as it arises from that context.
But Indy is a hu-MAN. He bleeds. He gets tired. He is noble and has values, yet he is completely vulnerable to uppercuts and bullets like any other person. That's why we identity with him and his cause, and root for him along the way. We quietly rejoice in our little kiddy hearts inside when he escapes the hovitos temple, because we saw the risks he took, and he overcame them. Thrilling! The fundamental problem with the "nuclear fridge" stunt is that, although the peril is obvious, we all know from both history and SCIENCE that there is no container you can hide inside at ground zero of an atomic blast that will render you safe from the heat, shock, and radiation. EVEN if he survives the 3000 degree heat (or whatever), the jolt from the blast, the g-forces from the flight, and the impact from crash landing would shatter his bones and turn his insides to jelly. And it would be irradiated jelly. Instead of giving us a situation where Indy thwarts death against 1000/1 odds, Spielcas gives us a situation where Indy thwarts death, PERIOD, when we all know, as cool as it might look onscreen, NO ONE in his position could possibly survived. There WERE no odds to overcome; it was a pure cheat on the part of the moviemakers. -
One Hundred Times Better. Indy is Indy, and not some watered down version. Marion is Marion, and the chemistry that was lacking in the filmed movie is there. No Mutt. A better traitor. Loved how the alien presence wasn't revealed until the climax, and the interaction with the alien was awesome. Loved the fight sequences, the booty traps, even the fridge sequence was a little better (liked how the fridge laid smoking, and THEN Indy breaks out).
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The way you put it the only way anyone could possibly justify that scene is to say "Yeah it's more ridiculous than anything else int he franchise and completely goes against what makes an indy set piece great but I like it anyway." You've backed the apologists into an impossible corner that only their apologizing can get them out of. Bravo.
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still up on rapdishare
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"...NO ONE in his position could possibly survived".
No shit. But then again, I didn't go to Indy 4 looking for anything even remotely resembling reality. I went to see cool shit up on the screen. And that's what I got. And that's why I wasn't disappointed. Or feel cheated in any way.
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By 1957, I think they probably had a pretty clear idea of what would happen to shit inside a refrigerator near ground zero of a nook-yoo-lar blast just by looking at what was left of the house. The food in the fridge was there just so Indy would have something to throw on the floor before getting in. Like the rest of the movie, there was no logic involved.
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Cut, pasted, and stolen. That's the argument that summed up my feelings completely. Thanks!
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because...even if the movie had taken the 2nd place spot(which was realistically the best case scenario) next to Raiders, people still would have bitched. I felt there were a good number of flaws with KOTCS, and it probably ranks 4 out of 4 for me. Considering it was shifted to the 50's, it still managed to entertain on one level or another. Lucas and Spielberg should never do anything for the fans ever again. Whether the movie is good, bad, or mediocre, this is what they get, a bunch of "I've been raped whining". I had problems with the film, but a little more decorum would be nice. Or, how about this? Just stop seeing, or commenting on the internet about their films. Oh, that would be just like Shatner insisting that you should, "Get a life." And, it's clear people will not move on.
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who has read it? thoughts? whats sexy about it? seeeeeeeeee ya!
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Jun 12, 2008 3:32:57 PM CDT
So the test site towns weren't quite as detailed as in the movie
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...hey, it's a movie.
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They release movies that are so scrutinized you have to wonder if people just go see it to criticize it.
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Just got done reading it and all I have to say is "meh". Looking back on it, there was no way Karen Allen could have carried this part. 10 years ago, maybe. In any case, there were some things I like and a lot I didn't. I think some of the dialogue was handled better, and it had a lot more of those signiture Indy moments. Of course, there were a lot of WTF? moments that didn't fit the character either. The number of characters and double-crosses became a little unruly, and I thought there were a few too many obvious nods to the past films. I would say this version is only slightly better then Koepps version, which is disappointing because Darabount is a MUCH better writter than Koepp.
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"I went to see cool shit up on the screen. And that's what I got."Magnetic gunpowder? Ummm, try stupid shit.If I wanna see cool shit up on the screen, I'll freeze a turd and then fling it. I went in expecting entertaining shit.
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If they're that self-conscious, they should try harder.
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Dude, let it go. Life is so much better when you're not bitching about completely inane shit. But just to play devil's advocate here, if they had such a good idea of what a nuclear blast would do to shit, why did the gov't keep doing those tests into the late 60's, nearly a full decade later?
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The food in the fridge is a microcosm of Spielberg's current "who gives a shit, let's put it in there" mentality when it comes to his summer movies. He'll actually overdress a refrigerator in a totally ridiculous sequence that doesn't even belong in the movie, rather than focusing on creating set pieces that actually have something to do with the plot.
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Sounds like you didn't get what you were expecting. Like I said, sucks to be you.
Also, if you freeze your turd it won't stick to the screen when you fling it. It will just fall to the ground like an ice cube would. Simple physics, really. You shoulda stayed in high school. -
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Besides Darabont and Koepp, was anyone else paid to write a version?
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This draft is not necessarily any better than the Koepp version. Terrible plotting, crystal skull is confusing, vine swinging, giant snake, etc. At least they focused on Indy and Marion a bit more.
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Well, shit, Slone - I was only bitching because you were bitching about the bitching. It's one big cycle of bitch. Bitch.
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Good to hear you've never been disappointed by a movie.My turds have a nasty habit of sticking to everything no matter the state of their molecules. Scientific North American did an article about it. Called the condition "turdus krazy glueus."
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Worst. Captcha. Ever.
BTW, to someone who said that just because a character exists in our collective conscious for years, we do not own it, I beg to differ. What is art without an audience?
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Okay, so I finished the Darabont script. I've also read the Jeb Stuart script, which I really liked, but understand why Steve and Harrison didn't want to do it.
In the end, City of the Gods feels like an Indy fan film to me. Too many call-backs to earlier films (TWO times Yuri references the TAG-LINE from 'Doom'!, the idol/sand bag swap, etc.). The first two acts seemed like Darabont was just interested in winking at the audience rather than telling a story.
Until the climax. Once they get to the Ciudad de los Dios, I'm TOTALLY with the script. Indy shooting the skull between the eyes has to be the most awesome thing ever. I think I prefer this climax to that of any of the other films, including Raiders.
Still, Yuri was a weak character, the fifty villains were awful, especially compared to Blanchett's amazing Spalko. And I really missed Shia's Mutt, especially for the long stretch of the film where Indy is wandering around by HIMSELF.
And there were a ton of things stylistically wrong, such as subtitled dialog, and scenes which Indy wasn't there to witness. You almost wonder if Darabont had ever seen an Indy film before in his life, until he references 'Temple' again on the next page.
But in all, I think this script could have made a better film than the one we ended up, which for the record I do like. Darabont, given the following notes, could have written another draft that would be phenomenal.
1. Indy needs a sidekick. Maybe a son?
2. Reduce the villains. Give us a single interesting one that we can cast as name as.
3. Maybe have Indy visit the hanger from 'Raiders' at the beginning?
4. Rewrite Yuri as less annoying.
5. Lessen the fantastical bits, such as Oxley swinging from ropes and Indy being eaten by a snake (and keep Indy afraid of snakes, it's part of his character).
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Try as we might, it would seem that neither of us are able to break this vicious cycle now, wouldn't it? See you in hell, bitch.
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http://dl.free.fr/cBxkz0sDW/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf
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http://dl.free.fr/cBxkz0sDW/Indiana_Jones_and_the_City_of_the_Gods.pdf
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My e-mail is snowblind52@yahoo.com. Thanks!
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I was disappointed once. I watched "28 Days" thinking I had rented "28 Days Later". Highly disappointed.
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The only way you'll see me in hell is if you force me to go see KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL again. I'm pretty sure the computer generated inter-dimensional alien and the groundhogs are Satan's minions.
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Maybe you ought to just stick with documentaries
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Wasn't this one of those "beliefs" from back in the '50s regarding nuclear explosions? That you could climb into a lead-lined fridge to ride it out. Kind of like hiding under your desk in school during a bombing raid.
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I'm pretty sure Darabont's gone on record as hating that idea.
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No, he's on record as saying he didn't put it in his version of the script. He put Marion in, but a later script put in that he should do a son. At first, Lucas thought a daughter would be good, but Spielberg shot that down because he did a daughter in 'Lost World.'
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Everybody has a different opinion about the Indy script. I think we should wait till the DVD comes out with the alternate ending and the deleted scenes to really find out what happened. Maybe Spielberg and Lucas can explain it all. But anyway, damn PhantomSpazzz and Megan Fox, both of you sound like Shia Labeouf on here, pissed off with the haters on AICN. Keep it coming though!!! LOL
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is there really an alternate ending and deleted scenes?
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Document this: I love the original INDY films. But back in the old days, Spielberg made me believe in the impossible (or the incredibly unlikely) by presenting me with a 3-dimensional character who can actually get hurt doing dangerous shit. I can buy stuff like the TOD raft scene because I just saw the guy almost die from being poisoned in Shanghai. They made him human. In this film, Indy is completely indestructible from the get-go. Apparently, the older he gets, the more impervious he is to harm - so much so that he can survive a direct nook-yoo-lar blast inside a refrigerator. That is a serious WTF, even within the scope of the god-power-filled Indy franchise, because while gods can do whatever they want, we all know exactly what happens when shit gets nuked. (Then again, Indiana Jones is now an ex-Army colonel/OSS super-spy alien crash expert, is immune to mind-reading, and can swing around like Spider-Man at the age of 65 and not even need to catch a breath.) You can stray from logic and realism, but you cannot completely abandon it like they did in this movie and expect everybody to treat it like it's RAIDERS. Spielberg just does not care anymore. And he knows YOU don't care, so he's gonna keep shoveling this kind of shit and raking in the dough. Thanks for suckin' it up, dude.
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Indy and Marion married go off on one last adventure. Maybe Mutt comes along. Sallah meets the two somewhere.
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I liked the first part up to the plane going to Mexico. I hated the middle part with Indy and the stupid Russian psychic. Starting from the bazooka scene and going to the end, it was a good ride.
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I kinda liked the Darabont script. I also kinda liked the movie.
So there.
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I want to read that.
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there was nothing wrong with the new INDY movie....it was awesome, but these days it seems the standard is to be a whiny complaining bitch about everything and anything just so u can see ur name over and over in a talkback....the movie was great, i also dont understand why people go into movies these days with no imagination anymore, everthing has to be super serious......sure the nuked fridge was silly, but it sure was a kickass scene.....and there was a reason he got into the fridge, it said "lead lined" which protects from radiation......duh
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door popped open and Indy came out. I thought it was kinda cool.
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People want Indy to be some serious CNN TV show?
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You dumb fuck. Methinks you're the idiot, douchebag.
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Jun 12, 2008 7:47:38 PM CDT
I kind of prefer Darabont's climactic sequence than the one in t
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It gives Indy a bit more of an active role, and the intercutting between the dreamclouds could have been really slick.
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I completely agree. I enjoyed KINGDOM despite its flaws (mainly because of Harrison Ford and the "I've got a bad feeling about this" line) but incorporating your idea would have made for a much better film.
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http://tinyurl.com/64fhrf
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Gotta be.
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Punisher Trailer
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Greatest game EVER MADE. That is all for now, back to playing.
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Thanks for the last link. Finally got it saved! Now I have all the power of the crystal skulls themselves! Wow, it's 140 pages long. That's 20 pages longer than producers like to see, or so I've read. But who cares about the length, if it's good it's good.
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Did the Beards just want to be sure all their friends got a few bucks off of "The New Indy"? This draft is bad enough that I don't hate Lucas for shooting it down (still hate him for lots of other things) but if they had stuck with this and refined it a bit (a lot) the movie would have been incredible.
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Those fuckers are throwing this shit up everywhere. Watch it here. http://tinyurl.com/3uyg2w
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Damn, this script is way more Indie-Indy than Kepp's concoction! Spielberg and Lucas should have de-evolved their style a little more to the mid-80s. I'll have to watch the movie a few more times and see how I like it then.
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They were well into post production in Jan.
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what a script. yes- its a little ropey in places, but this is handled far better than what ended up on film. still- im beginning to think that Lucas idea of alien astronauts was a really bad one-even Darabont kind of struggles.
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Howdy, sir! Oh, it's definitely him. Head over to the BSG thread and take a look at how he practically jumped down my throat. He seems a wee bit touchy...
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And people here didn't.
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in the sense that he keeps those quiet moments in. Moments where the characters seem real. Koepp lost all of those.
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Having read the whole thing, and having enjoyed the movie, I have to say that I'm glad they passed on this script. Either Darabont's or Koepp's script could have been revised and made into a better movie than the one we got, but Darabont's as is is not really better.
He has Indiana get drunk and steal(!) the idol (from Raiders) in a parody/callback of the scene from Raiders. He has Indy not scared of snakes and then get eaten alive(!) by a giant one. He doesn't have Indy's son in it, so Indy himself gets to swing on vines (twice) and have a monkey poop on his chest (really). He has Indy and Marion recreate almost word for word far too many of their lines from Raiders. He doesn't have Spalko and instead has an almost excessive number of bad guys that seem more or less interchangeable.
He has the rocket sled sequence, he has the fridge sequence, and he has the waterfall sequence (only instead of surviving three waterfalls in a vehicle designed to be a boat they survive four waterfalls in a truck.) He has the UFO ending. He has red ants (but they're giant!) and a tree that catches the vehicle as it drives off the cliff and then springs back to wipeout pursuing bad guys. In fact he has so much that made it into the movie I feel like he should get a screen credit (and thus residual payments). Of course Jeb Stuart's draft has several of these things too (the ants, the fridge, the rocket sled) so who knows.
To be fair I did like the way he wrote Marion, the Crystal Skull itself (a visual indication of what happens when you look into its eyes), the Sallah cameo and the first (but not the second - why must both Henry Joneses get drunk?) scene with Indy's father... but Sean Connery retired so that would have had to be re-written even if they had gone with this script. -
cause you douches need to be back in it.
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This is an amazing script. The Two Beards and Captain Midlife could have gone with this, but the Hack Koepp gets his Scientology or Leftist privledges in Fucking up the script. Darabont's work here is gold, All the peripheral charecters having names of Warner Bros. Cartoon production staff and solid dialogue. Fuck Lucas, Fuck Ford and it hurts to say this, Fuck Spielberg.
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First half is okay, Marion is realised much better, but the rest? Giant ants, snakes, and birds? Sounds like Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow. NOT INDY, PERIOD. Indy gets drunk and breaks into a museum? Sallah and Henry Jones, Snr shoehorned into toe-curling cameos? Indy jumping from plane to plane in an action sequence that would have embarrassed the series? No,IMO I prefer the script that was shot overall, although I do wish they went darker in tone and either dropped or enhanced Marion's part. Overall though, I loved KOTCS (better than Last Crusude) and am actually relieved after reading the so-called-amazing Darabount script that George vetoed it - it's NOT Indy.
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Okay, I've read it. Actually I sat down and began writing a scene-by-scene dissection but when I got to about 7 pages I realised that it was a pretty stupid thing to do. So I'll just summarise my thoughts.
The over-riding impression from reading it is that it's a much 'smaller' film. Although the plot basics are the same the story as presented here is way less complicated and much more personal.
There's several things that are glaringly obvious. One is that Darabont took this writing gig very seriously and that he was in love with the idea of getting Indy and Marion back together.
Sadly, the other obvious thing is that he was clearly working from a Lucas-mandated laundry list of "You must have this, this, this and this in the script." So as great as so much of this script is there's still quite a few of those moments of utter stupidity from the finished film, like the multiple waterfalls and the Tarzan scene (although that moment is much less lame in the script.)
The biggest shock is that there's no Mutt Williams. At all! He must have been added once Spielberg got a hard-on for LeBeouf. As much as I genuinely like Shia LeBeouf I wish Marion could have had more to do in the finished film, rather than just flash that awesome grin and mime green screen driving. But make no mistake, Darabont's version is an 'Indy and Marion' film. And as such it largely succeeds brilliantly.
The other most notable omission is Irina Spalko. Which is a bit of a shame as the existing villain in the script is pretty lame. But then so was the main bad guy in LAST CRUSADE.
As I suspected, there's a much stronger thread of Indy being branded a traitor by the government. And the main reason he goes on his adventure is that he has to flee the country. It's not a page and-a-half of tearful exposition from Mutt that sets him off, but fear for his freedom. And if Connery had turned up for his cameo as written it would have been one of the most emotional moments in the series.
In comparison to the pages and pages of clunky exposition the crystal skull is given in the finished film here it remains a mystery until right near the end, as with any good cinematic macguffin. But, of course, George 'Midichlorians' Lucas could never let anything go without explaining it away until our brains bled.
And although there's no Ark of the Covenant cameo there's an extended scene with the Idol from RAIDERS early on that had me grinning like a fool as I read it, and is probably my overall favourite scene in the script. Although how he got the idol back from Belloq isn't explained.
So the first 70 pages are absolutely amazing.
It sags a bit in the middle, which is kind of understandable in a 140-page screenplay. Its all 'trecking through the jungle' stuff that contains the only truly terrible sequence in the script; Indy gets eaten whole by a giant snake, then cuts his way out of it. If it was written as scary it may have been less retarded, but it's played for laughs and you can't help but imagine it looking ridiculous on-screen.
The ending is still pretty much gibberish, but here Indy actually participates in it, rather than standing around slack-jawed as $20 million worth of effects goes on around him.
Lucas just didn't trust this darker, simpler version of the film. So he took out all the serious stuff and piled it full of useless crap.
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spielberg was right to say they're just better versions of republic serials. good action, but i never clicked with that stuff, even if i was convincing myself and going along with the "crowd" that these were fantabulous. give me the OT star wars any day!
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No, you were banned for being a waste of the time your father spent masturbating into a plastic cup. Totally different.
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not bad enough to hate, not good enough to defend. Just there. Which is fucking criminal considering it's an Indy film. Lucas should fist himself.
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looks like they did a blurb about it too.. this thing is nuts
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I don't recall seeing Xiphos' review, but that's a dead on description of the movie, sadly. And one more thing for those people who think "nuking the fridge" was a sequence that should be blindly accepted, please consider that it wouldn't be such a damn debate here and everywhere else in the geek internet-verse if the sequence weren't outlandish.
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but really- I can't get worked up enough to condemn it- the things people are in a bunch over have annoyed me but haven't sent me into a frothing rage, and at the same time I can't honestly think of anything I liked enough about it to defend- I'm forgetting more and more of it by the minute- I can barely remember anything now. Terrible show Beards, terrible. The worst thing is Diggers was right- it was a complete let down. Not Phantom Menarse bad, but still. At least I'm right about Alien v Aliens. I can console myself with that.
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I disliked a lot of things in this "Halleluva of a script". What about all those drunk parts ? Depressing characters, fuckin' "Welcome to Earth" ??!!!
Indy being eaten by giant snake ?
Drunk Indy breaking in a museum ?
Seriously people !
And all the ending, from the moment they arrive to the "City of Gods", all of this is crap.
I love the way they did Crystal Skull, even with those minor flaws everyone seems to be bitchin' about.
And now that I read this script, I love Crystal Skull even more !
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i heard or read that darabonts script had nazis as the baddies and indy had a young daughter?
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This is not meant as a slam, but I can't understand how you (especially as a writer) can condone putting this up and legitimizing it. Much like the hubaloo over the first Hulk film and it being downloaded, this is copyrighted material. I know Darabont was/is proud of this, but I believe that even though he wrote it, it is probably owned by Lucasfilm/Paramount. Putting up a article to discuss it is one thing, but it also makes it seem like this is okay to you. I'm pretty sure you've gotten upset when some of your scripts were posted online in the past. Just curious how this is justified. For the record I respect the success that you've achieved as a writer, but I just figured that as a writer you would have more respect for the idea of copyright.
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There is a lot that I like about this script, but I agree there are a few too many moments winking at the past films.
There are two main things that are superior about Darabont's script. Marion feels more like Marion. She is not just a damsel in distress here. She is on her own adventure. The dialog between Indy and Morion drives this script. They feel like the couple we know.
Indy is more of a participent in the finale. Having him face the ultimate knowledge, and choosing his love for Marion was pretty cool. Having him shatter the skull would have been a great scene, and the whole reveal of the aliens, and the interaction between the aliens and the team is handled much better. I really liked the idea of everyone seeing something different.
However, in this script, Indy not inly survives one actual nuclear blast, but another huge blast of cosmic proportions at the end of the film. Two mushroom clouds are two too many.
It was an interesting read to see what was different, and what was the same. I think as written, this script would have been a slight improvement, but it still faces the problem of having too many bad guys. Spalko was a good addition by Koepp. I thought the THIN MAN at the beginning was great, but he meets his demise too early to be comparible to Toht.
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Not every scene or idea in Darabont's draft works for me. But it's most strikingly the way Indy himself is portrayed and allowed to develope a much more compelling and in a way ...meaningful arc that makes this script seem so much better than what Crystal Skull is presumably based on.
At certain points Crystal Skull just feels like a watered down version of Darabont's story. And funnily, some of the stuff I didn't like in Crystal Skull (most importantly: the damn wedding or the climax among all the skulls, but also the way Indy's prosecuted by the government and comes to a crucial point in life) worked much much much better in City Of The Gods.
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Darabont lost all sympathy from me when I read that. Stealing a Will Smith line from INDEPENDENCE DAY?! Indy not being afraid of snakes anymore? Bullshit. Giving up the knowing the secrets of the universe because all he wanted was Marion? Anybody who complains about the actual ending being corny and liking the Darabont ending should be punched in the face. Quit crying Darabont and get back to making as great a movie as SHAWSHANK again.
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Can anyone send me a copy of the Daranbont script for Indy 4? Thanx tomvfma@hotmail.com
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I'm glad to see that a lot of readers thought that the Darabont script was not much better than the Koepp one. One of the most annoying thing in the Crystal Skull movie was the constant nods to earlier films in the series. It's even worse with City of the Gods! It's more like a fan film than anything else. "Adventure still has a name", come on!
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Double-cross agent: Throw me the crystal skull, I'll throw you the whip.
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that KOTCS (and I've posted on this idea before myself) is essentially a big joke, a sort of flip of the finger (from Lucas anyway) to the fanboys, or anyone who nitpicks Indy and Star Wars films. After all, the intention behind these movies is to pay homage to what Lucas loved growing up and to spark the imagination of others. Though the stories are not simple-minded, I'm sure Lucas thinks it's kind of silly when fans take these films so to heart that they feel they either own it themselves, or worse, simply refuse to let go of their childhoods, which only succeeds in missing a big point of his stories – find something great in yourself and take on a sense of self-responsibility, namely, grow up.With that in mind, this whole idea of Indy 4 being a joke doesn’t seem that far off the mark. Personally, I was expecting KOTCS to be more in line with the previous films, but as soon as I saw the Paramount logo dissolve into a gopher hill, a big smile came across my face. Plainly this was not going to be anything like the previous films. In fact, the very phrase, "Fuck you, fanboys," popped into my head. Lucas warned of this some time ago in an article (I don't know where it appeared, my friend told me about it). He said that Indy 4 was going to be like TPM. He was letting the fans know up front that this would not be what they expected, that in fact, they might very well be disappointed.It makes sense as you watch KOTCS unfold. So much of it was out of the norm for Indy (e.g. him running through a mock suburban neighborhood was just plain abstract), it was just laughable through and through. Had the movie been done in the early '90's, we may have seen something more in line with the first three films (though I believe the macguffin, or at least the alien angle, still would have been the same from what I gather). But things as they are, and the principles, as old as they are, taking a more lax attitude toward the project, we’ve got an Indy that could not possibly have been taken seriously from the start. The idea of a 60+ Indy in action must have been a bit of a joke in Lucas’s mind for some years now, and so why not let it be just that, and get a little comeuppance against all the pissy fanboys who fail to see the true intentions behind his work (side note: is it just me, or is Anakin Skywalker in AOTC a perfect reflection of those very fanboys?). I enjoyed KOTCS if for nothing more than the thought that indeed Lucas and Spielberg had pulled a fast one on the fanboy crowd, while at the same time delivering a summer movie that would certainly please casual moviegoers and make a ton of cash for their production companies. Personally, I was hoping for something else. KOTCS certainly was not what an Indy movie should be, IMO, but yeah, what could I really expect? Why be angry at the Beards? They’re trying to keep up production companies that are not cheap, and this was easy money, no doubt. If you feel they’ve treaded on something sacred, I’d check that egocentric sense of nostalgia and say, in the immortal words of Gold Leader, “Loosen up!” Sit back and have a big jolly gut laugh at what happened and understand we’ll never have the likes of Raiders again. Or perhaps it’s just time for the next great filmmakers to step up and deliver.There, my treatise on KOTCS for what it’s worth, and my will imposed upon ye of too much faith (in Indy and Star Wars at any rate).
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everybody's gone. Typical.
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And I see the conenctions you mention, but nobody spends $185MM to pull a fast one on fickle fanboys. That said, I do recall the Lucas quote about people being disappointed just they way they were with TPM, but I think the context of that quote was truly in relation to "you can't please everyone" and that those Indyfans who had been clamoring for another Indyfan would hate it the same way so many SW fans clamoring for the prequels hated them. Now, maybe Lucas knew that no matter what, this film woul dmake good bank domestically and overseas and that itself made it a cash cow worth producing. And Lucas and crew knew that he could essentially do it all "his way" and still get away with a buncdle of cash, Thus he can put all the gopher shots and stumbling from nuked fridges, and Shia-loving monkeys he wanted in there and not really have to give a shit about whining "fans" because he and his crew would still laugh all the way to the bank. Maybe that supports the "fuck you, fanboys" argument, i dunno...but it was very much a "Diet Indy" Indiana Jones movie.
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Franks shouldn't have leaked this. Not now.
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In making Indy 4, Lucas is giving the finger to all the complaining fanboys. It's the only explanation for the events n the movie. No filmmaker could seriously make this movie unless they intended it as a spoof. It is completely in line with those spoof movies like HOT SHOTS PART DEUX, POLICE ACADEMY, NAKED GUN etc etc. The whole thing is a prank . And Lucas was able to spend $185 million because he knew he couldn't lose. It is well established that fanboys may moan - but they'll pay to see anything Lucas makes, no matter how bad. AND THEY'LL PAY TO SEE IT AGAIN. For the moment, fanboys don't seem to be aware that they've been had. They're taking the movie seriously - too seriously. But in time, they will see it for the gigantic practical joke that it is.
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"Indy 4 was GREAT ENOUGH!
by Proman1984"
But it wasn't great. Great wouldn't have had the flying fridge, the vine swinging or the amazing bendy tree.
And the Mcguffin would have been a Mayan RELIGIOUS ARTEFACT with psycic power; The aliens didn't need to be there.
And Karen Allen and John Hurt would have been used better.
Some of it was Pure Indy Brilliance- I loved the folding stone staircase thing.
It was fun and it was OK. It just should have been great- it's not like they haven't had time to get the script right... -
I still haven't got the hang of punctuating on talkbacks
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Finky- I like the term "Diet Indy." That's seems a suiting description. Regarding my argument, I may have painted Lucas out somewhat to be a bitter prick, but really I wanted to give the haters something more to think about. I tend to think of myself as something of a fanboy foil, or at least a hater foil. I truly admire Lucas as an artist and have defended him many times in my posts. I even proudly claim to love AOTC, which I still claim has some of the best action I’ve seen in recent years, but that’s for another post. I can't say I like all the choices Lucas makes in his films, but I do understand where he comes from as an artist and fully respect that his decisions are his own, and those decisions are deliberate and not arbitrary in any way. I feel his work is largely misunderstood if for no other reason than he was, and still is, a maverick in the industry, not at all washed up. One day I'll have to post my essay on the prequels and perhaps shut up the haters once and for all. But I digress. Lucas is only human, and I could see where he'd have some genuine bitterness toward the haters who rail against him, namely haters who miss the point of what he tries to say in his work. He really had his heart in the prequels, he was keen on telling more of that story, but I don't know as he was as keen on doing anything more with Indy, though he did have more ideas for him. I think in a fourth film he found an opportunity to give something to the fans while at the same time an oppotunity to really let loose, indulge in some whimsy (I fucking love the nuked fridge!), and hell, make a ton of dough. I don't blame filmmakers for “needing the money,” that's the real world, that’s just business, and doesn’t necessariliy reflect upon the integrity of an artist. Andy Warhol had a business too people. And Spielberg needed the dough too to help out Dreamworks. They agreed on an Indy film that they felt would please fans. The hate comes from those who stake too much claim in the movies and hold them as sacred. They don’t understand that fans are those who enjoy the movies for what they’re worth. With that in mind, if Lucas is just having some fun with his own ideas, then shit, why not put a little flip of the finger in there to the people who are clearly taking these odes to the serial far too seriously. I could be wrong, it really doesn't matter, I'm having fun with the post myself, but in my analysis, I wouldn't put it past him. If it's true, that only puts a broader smile on my face, and helps me appreciate KOTCS all the more.Hooded- when I read your first post, it immediately struck a cord, for as I said, I previously posted on the “fuck you, fanboys” premise myself, which is in line with your idea of it all being a big joke. I guess my argument falls somewhere inbetween what you and Finky089 have to say.When I first saw KOTCS, the flip of the finger idea was in the back of my head the entire time, which as a fanboy foil actually helped me to enjoy the film. I was indeed laughing through it all. I left the theater feeling I'd seen one of the strangest movies I'd ever seen. Not a bad movie per se, just strange. It certainly wasn't what I expected. I had it in mind that KOTCS was going to tie back into Raiders, that Lucas was (as he did in TPM) going to push the idea that there is a scientific explanation for everything and the holy artifacts from the previous films, or at least the ark, were put here by aliens. The ark was an alien transmitter, and all the mystical happenings could be explained as some otherworldly manisfestation. That's more of what I was hoping for, but once I saw the gopher hill, I pretty much had to toss all expectation out the window. It was, however, still biting at me that it wasn't the Indy film I was hoping for and I saw KOTCS again the following night putting all pretense asiede, and watched it with a far more relaxed frame-of-mind. I got the vibe of the crowd and was able to enjoy a very fun movie, just as any casual moviegoer would. There was no intention on GL and SS’s part to deliver anything more than a fun-filled summer action movie. It could not have been anything on par with the previous films for they are simply older and have a different frame-of-mind themselves these days.I do think Lucas hates the hater fanboys. Does he beat himself up for creating the monsters? I doubt it. After all, if they truly understood what his work is about, they'd find it in themselves to stop whining (as Luke does in ANH), take on that sense of self-responsibility (as Luke does in ROTJ) and become something truly great themselves. Or as I like to put it, there's no excuse for being bitter, only every reason to be better. Corny to be sure, but as I also like to say, the truth is often corny (or the last thing you want to hear).
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You'll put an end to fanboy hatred of the Star Wars prequels once and for all.....?I don't think so!It's true that an intelligent person can convincingly argue that black is indeed white, but with all respect to your powers of persuasion, I don't think you'll have many converts on this issue! Because no matter how cleverly you explain and defend the prequels you can't get around the fact that they're just terrible movies. But as you say, that's a discussion for another day!Now I've read the Darabont draft (for draft it is) for Indy 4. Although it has its share of problems and moments of silliness, it is STILL unquestionably better than the version that made it to the screen. Here's why:1. It's entertaining. It's fun. I was far more intrigued and entertained whilst READING THE SCRIPT than I was in my entire time WATCHING the Crystal Skull movie - which bored and irritated me in equal measure. And that by itself is completely damning2. No matter how weak or silly individual moments were, no matter how questionable the overall premise may be, at least the Darabont draft had a consistent theme and structure. It had a beginning, a middle and an end. And everything logically led to the ending. In that way it fulfilled the basic requirements of a story. By contrast, the Crystal skull movie was a confusing mess - a hodge-podge of unrelated, half-baked scenes that clearly made no sense EVEN TO THE FILMMAKERS. But at least the story made sense in the Darabont draft because every plot element was linked together and given the necessary time to develop. This is basic story-telling we're talking about; it was absent in the Crystal Skull movie.3.In Darabont's script, Indiana Jones IS Indiana Jones. Marion Ravenwood IS Marion Ravenwood. Moments of silliness aside, their characters have been kept reasonably consistent with regard to how they were established in Raiders Of The Lost Ark. AND that great chemistry they had in ROTLA is front and centre in Darabont's draft. It's the right choice and it gives the story some much-needed emotional heft. Compare this to the weak, watered-down Indy and the non-existant Marion in Crystal Skull. An utter disgrace and a missed opportunity - especially in the case of Marion. She's NOT Marion at all. She's Karen Allen who has bizarrely walked onto the set and is just hanging out. The marriage at the end of City Of The Gods MAKES PERFECT SENSE and fits in - as opposed to how it was handled in Crystal Skull, where it was tacked-on and absurd.4. Finally, you can feel a real affection for and understanding of the Indy saga in Darabont's script - which is a far cry from Crystal Skull which feels like Lucas is deliberately trying to destroy the franchise.
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I was stroking my ego in that last post to be sure, but damned if don't find these talkbacks a good venue to amuse myself. I have no problem with putting the challenge out there even it is a futile effort. I haven't read the Darabont script, so I can't comment on it. Certainly seems to be a mixed reaction to it, but you've made some very valid points. If anything is apparent, it's that Lucas didn't have his heart in this project, but I'm not resentful of the fact. Every artist struggles with keeping at the top of their game. Some succeed, most don't. Hopefully someone out there has it in them to bring us the next great thing in movies. I appreciate the intelligent and cordial conversation.Cheers!
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I did backpedal a bit. I stated in the earlier post that Lucas is not at all washed up and then implied he's no longer at the top of his game. I would have to admit that Lucas is no longer at the top of his game. I still admire his legacy, his contribution to film, and would still argue he had his heart in the prequels, but not Indy 4.
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