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Location Scouting In Australia For STAR WARS EPISODE TWO
Well... Goooolllllly.... these here sure are purty places to shoot a Star Wars movie, dontcha think? Well, I do. Especially that there Dandenong Ranges picture. Sheesh. But I tell ya what I love. Now that we have this whole silly Episode One business behind us. Which... By the way... We (all the various websites) did a darn good job of keeping us all up to date on what was a going on in the world of LUCASFILM... Well now... we get to start again, but this time... back at Square One. Well, maybe not quite at Square One... I mean... We do have a large crop of returning spies for the second film, as well as a whole new crop of Australian spies who, I'm sure will keep us informed better even than their British counterparts... right? Well, Spook here is hopping in line to let us know... Let's keep it up though...
Hey Harry....Spook here
Sometime in the next two weeks, Lucasfilm are reportedly beginning to scout
locations for Episode 2 in Australia. First port of call is the state of
Victoria where they will be looking at the rural area of Nhill (cross
between bush and desert) and the Dandenong Ranges which is a glorious
looking National Park...it screams Star Wars!
This image is from the Dandenong Ranges:
This one is from Nhill:
Regards...Spook
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I'm excited! Ep two. Hopefully Lucas will learn to not put annoying characters (JAR JAR) in this one. Boot to the head! (Jar Jar's head that is).
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What you mean "this ep1 business over with"?!?! It hasn
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I meant "ep1 business behind us".
Bring on the frigging bootlegs, I say!!!
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thats whats left in the countdown over here, i dont think them damn lines have started yet but the month is yet young......
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I live THREE MINUTES WALK from Dandenong Ranges National Park! Holycrapholycrapholycrap! Pleeeeeaaase let them do SOMEthing here...I don't care if I don't even notice it...my GOD George Lucas could drive by my freaking HOUSE...oooh...have to lie down. (Episode One opens in Australia Tomorrow! Yay!)
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...and it screams Ewoks!!!
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To all you people who've been grinding an axe just waiting for something to lay it on -- lay off already! I haven't talked to anyone yet (with a life!) who didn't think Jar-Jar and Episode 1 weren't great.
Didn't live up to your intellectual standards? Didn't live up to your superior attitude or filmmaking capabilities? Get a clue, people! It's a movie, for God's sake! HE'S A CHARACTER IN A FRIGGIN MOVIE! IT'S JUST A FRIGGIN MOVIE!
You want intellectual? You want character depth? Why are you watching Star Wars movies?! Oh, gosh, that Yoda sure was deep! Those droids were so serious and thought provoking! And do you remember the academy award winning performance by Mark what's-his-name? The crapiest movie (or TV show) he did other than SW had better acting than any SW movies he did -- and he was the star!
You want intellectual, go see 'My Dinner with Aundre', or some such synaptic triggering event like that.
I swear I haven't heard a bigger group of whiners in my life. And the worst of it -- now it's racist?! What kind of politically correct spew is that?
I've been a Star Wars fan since the first came out when I was 14. But for the first time in all those years, I'm ashamed to call myself a Star Wars fan. Not because the movies are bad, but because in the '90s it seems being a fan means being a snob and trashing what doesn't fit expectations; tearing down others because it gets attention; and just plain not being happy unless there's something to bitch about.
I hope Lucas sees you all for what you are -- the new American generation -- the whiney, bitchy, spoiled, cry because it's not my way, generation. Maybe then he'll continue to make these films for the NEXT generation after you. Maybe THEY won't grow up to be no-life marshmellows without a clue as to what's happening anywhere outside of their skulls! -
Seriously, have you ever thought of that? Jar Jar is essentially the Kramer of the SW galaxy. Tall, lanky, clumsy, and sometimes hysterical. I agree with Hal. Jar Jar is fine. Trust me, by the seventh viewing of this movie, you'll be rolling on the floor every time he opens his duckbilled mouth. Yes, he was prbably put there for kids, but as far as I can tell he was the ONLY thing there for kids. I doubt a five year old would care much about political unrest in the Senate. BTW, for all you who haven't seen it, IT ROCKS. But Hal, what is this baou it not having any depth? With all those symbiotic metaphors and stuff? I thought it had a lot of intellectual stuff to it. Everything was just very subtle. And thaks for the photos Harry. I've always wanted to go to Australia.
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Who cares if they shoot Star Wars in this part of Australia! I want to visit there, god, it's gorgeous! As far as Jar Jar, I agree with the above poster who thought he was there to entertain the kiddies while the political stuff happened. And, with shame faced embarrasment I admit this, he made me laugh a couple times. But then I think Austin Powers was funny and around here that can get you lynched.
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Ok, I don't get this Jar Jar racism. Isn't he there to play C3PO's role?(Bumbling whiny annoying idiot who solves things by chance and saves the day,sorta)
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Wow. australia pics look really good, but I don't think that deciduioius forest=ewoks. As far as kiddie stuff is concerned, I think there is a lot more kiddie stuff then Jar Jar. #1 is Annie; I mean, he IS a kid for cryin out loud. Little kids feel empowered by the way he does all this stuff that adults can't. Also, the whole vivid-color feel of the movie appeals to them. And then there are the Gungans as a whole who, although goofy, are A LOT better then ewoks. Why? 1) 6' tall, muscular Gungans using semi-sophisticated weapons (the shield) being BEATEN by a droid army using lasers is FAR more believable then knee-high furballs DEAFEATING "a legion of my best troops" by using sticks and rocks. 2) Look in the background toward the end of the battle--there are dead Gungans EVERYWHERE. Only ONE dead ewok. Boo.
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Holy Mary Mother of God! Call Skywalker Ranch and tell 'em we got a winner!
What a beeeeeeeeautiful location! It's just rinky-dink for a backwards planet hidey-hole, or some dark-ass new alien homeworld!
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This is hal (I changed my ID). Kramer is exactly what he is! You hit it right on the head. And that's the reason he's there; to fill in those areas of exposition that, while necessary, can drag a bit. What 5-year-old would want to sit through a dinner conversation about slavery and the dangers of pod racing? But Jar-Jar's table manners are a riot! If I sounded like I was comparing the depth of Star Wars to a Kool-Aid stain, that wasn't my intention. I think there's plenty of depth for this kind of entertainment. I just object to people expecting MORE out of it than what it should be -- a '90s Flash Gordon style adventure. And reading in things that aren't there -- Christian concepts, racism, etc. I'm a Christian who despises racism, but sadly I also beleive that most of those who are loudest when crying racism or declaring their religious beliefs are the biggest biggots and hypocrites. This is the same rable that find penises drawn into Disney cartoons. But enough of that... I hope people would just try to go see Star Wars in the spirit in which it was intended -- good natured, fun, eye-filled, entertainment. Don't buy a tub of buttered popcorn and complain because you didn't get London Broil. That's as bad as suing McDonalds because the coffee was hot and you were clumsey.
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Jun 02, 1999 8:11:52 AM CDT
Looks like the perfect place to pick up a merchandisable annoyin
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Gorgeous scenery, this...makes me wonder what planet they have in mind for these locations - Naboo? We've heard the rumor that two of the planets featured in Episode II will be destroyed by the Empire by the time of Episode IV. Hopefully Gungans and Ewoks will be thin on the ground, at any rate. Jar Jar really wasn't THAT bad; Lucas just gave him too much screen time, and some of it seemed contrived, detracting from the flow of the main story arcs. That scene where he first meets Padme on board the Marie Celeste, for example, could have been cut completely and the 30 seconds given to the scene before it, allowing the Queen to spend more time grappling with the decision of whether to go to Tatooine. Anyway, it looks like we have another three years of glorious anticipation and furtive spying ahead of us...
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This is just spanky. See I'm an Australian-American. Two passports and the works! It's been a few years since I was back there. However I've been to the said locations - and I tell you the forest park is AMAZING. It's huge - and untouched mostly. No roads and such. Most of it sits down in huge basen, it takes cable cars and "vertical rail" trains ( funky things, get in the mining car sized things and lay back, and it gets lowered on cables over the edge and down the 500-1000 foot drop to the basin floor. Also there are massive caves in the area that are sure to make great settings as well. Gum-tree forests just have this lovely 2% milk blue shade to the air around them. ( Pine sorta does this but more green then Gum trees ) Anyhow, I'll call up my uncle who is on like the top 1000 wealty list and see if he has any golf buddies that are "connected" to the project "Daddy I want to be a Star Wars extra when I grow up"
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...the extent of the dislike for Jar Jar. Does anyone out there wonder if Lucas is aware of how bothered the fans are about him? Lucasfilm recently stated that these are childrens films (I guess in responce to the back lash.) I don't think Eps 4 and 5 were limited to children only. Most of my friends think Lucas blew it not taking care of the whole audience. My conservative father said the "it's a children's movie" statement is a lousy excuse for a flawed film. I have to agree. All I know is I loved Eps 4 and 5 as a kid and an adult. Ep1 is the movie that could have been. The only think that could save Lucas' soul is a recut. And man does this film need a recut, alternative dubbing, and some alternative takes if they exist.
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We know the next movie will definitely feature Naboo (Lucas has said they'll be revisiting Italy for the interior palace shots) so we can only assume the forest will be used for Naboo. It doesn't make sense that they'd have another planet with such a similar lush environment in the movie.
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I feel so depressed that you grown folks could like Jar Jar.
I just can't understand how more people weren't ready to walk out of the theater like I was after that annoying waste of CGI turned what was a DRAMA (Ep IV, V, VI) into A Bug's Life. Barf. And now "the next film will be set on Naboo" and the probable scenery looks friendly to amphibians... All the folks who hopefully contend that "Oh, the next movies will be totally different, this was just a set-up" are totally wrong. Jar Jar is Ep I, II and III's Han Solo. Lucas has had a bunch of kids and has gone utterly soft. Get the man some Viagra because it looks like we're in for more of the same. I haven't gotten too old for Star Wars, rather I swear Star Wars' maturity has regressed to the maturity of a fart joke. Peeee-yew! -
I couldn't agree with you more.
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Wow, some actual locations! You mean the next film isn't going to go all the way and be 100% CGI?! Amazing!
First of, for proper context, I invite you all to look up both Harry's and Joe Hallenbeck's review of Episode 1. Read those and then read my comments. (If you give a damn) Also, I wrote a couple of entries about Leo DiCaprio coming on for Star Wars 2. Let me give a super quick recap of everything that I said ina all of those entries: Star Wars 1= no heart, no writing, no script, terrible acting, terrible directing. Lucas needed checks and balances of power on this. I hope they are there for Episode 2. The warning bells should have gone off when both Kurtz and Kasdan refused to have anything to do with this turkey.
Next, Leo Dicaprio as Anakin. This, combined with the odds of seeing Jar Jar again make me lean strongly towards abandoning this thing outright. Again, since when was Star Wars geared specifically towards the brats? The last time I checked, the Star Wars movies were directed toward the young at heart, and BTW, they all had PG ratings.
They can make the worst movie of all time as far as Epsiode 2 is concerned, and based on what I have seen so far, the future isn't looking to bright. Leo will bring in the mobs of teeny boppers that saw Titanic 100 times because "like, he is so hot!" THIS is what Star Wars will be reduced to. He better get IV'd to some steroids and live in a gym until it is time to start shooting. Also, some major trick photography for the height. I just can't see this guy being the future Dath Vader...
I guess Lucas has decided to sell out to this Generation X B.S. The hell with it: Why not just cast Ethan Hawke and Winona Ryder in this thing too, so we can have them, Ewan, and Leo, all cursing, drinking, and smoking like they do in almost all their other films? (Actually, Ewan is ok.)
Also, the thought of seeing Jar Jar again, in any case, makes me say no, especially in liew of the fact that Episode 2 is supposed to be a more "serious" film.
Just think, with Leo in this thing, the marketing and hype will be so gross. Don't be surprised to see Celine Dion signed on to make us a "Star Wars love song." If you all thought the marketing was out of control for this one, just think how gross it is going to be to see pictures of Leo EVERYWHERE, with a lightsaber and probably (shudder) Jar Jar at his side. Folks, this isn't real Star Wars, pure and simple. I weep for the future...
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Must agree with gboybama on this point. Ep I would have been TOTALLY different had Lucas not adopted a few kiddies. You can even see their influence on ROTJ, which came out around the time he had his first, if I'm not mistaken. Not that I wish Lucas had gotten them--anyone who does because they think the prequels would have been better
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"I hope Lucas noticed everyone hates Jar Jar." I've seen TPM 3 times and each time the audience reaction has been very favorable to Jar Jar. Believe it or not, most folks aren't anti-happiness. Believe it or not, most folks cheer when Darth Maul is defeated. And if you're under the impression that your demands for more darkness in Episode 2 will influence the direction Lucas takes for the next film...read a few profiles on the man and you'll discover that he's so passionate about making his films the way HE wants to make them, he snubs studio funding and finances his films himself...all to ensure that there won't be some second-guessing twit telling him what he did wrong and how he must correct it. In short, he doesn't care what you think of "yippee" and "okeyday." The guy has weird tastes and he isn't looking to water them down for cranky little punks on the net or in the media.
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You're totally right. I probably would have loved Phantom Menace at 10 years old. What I meant was...I loved Return Of The Jedi when I first saw it. And now, honestly, it's a little hard to swallow. But Eps 4 and 5?...we all still love them. I like Ep1. Maybe I love SW so much it pains me to see it be so flawed. I don't mind the way Jar Jar looks really. I guess I wish he a Calamari instead. It's everything else about Jar Jar that no one can stomach. I like it reguardless.
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Being an Aussie I just saw Phantom Menace half an hour ago.
I didnt like the kiddy aspects. All of the dialogue in the opening scene was pretty bad. Liam, Ewen, Maul, sidious and Palpatine countered alot of the kiddy aspects though. Anakin was good too. The problem was that I don't care about queen Amidala. If episode 2 is going to be about Amidalas romance with Anakin then L:ucas had better sure as hell make her character interesting. The Senate Scenes were interesting but there were long stretches where Characters didn't exhibit any charisma. AAAAAAAAnyway I think I'm going to edit the old special editions with the old versions to include Han firing first. I am wondering if this will be the case with all of the films. What is the deal with Lucasfilm withholding scenes from the film to put them in special editions?????. I will be able to forgive lucas his cutsie characters and plot devices if I can see them all get slaughtered at a later date. Lastly maybe it would be a good idea to film StarWars in a state other than Victoria. Jeff Kennet is a Fucking asshole -
There's too many trees there. I don't like 'em. Trees bad.
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I sincerely hope that Jar Jar won't be in Episodes 2 & 3. George Lucas has enough problems with his terrible script writing abilities and poor direction without adding such a pathetic and annoying character. I can only hope that he sees sense and hands Episode 2 over to someone with a little more talent, - Irvin Kershner for example. (the director of Empire Strikes Back)
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Jun 02, 1999 12:34:35 PM CDT
As long as that shmuck DiCrappio doesn't play Anakin, I'll be ha
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'Nuff said.
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Oh man- Jim has nailed it squarely on the head. When are you children going to stop crying and accept TPM as it is and enjoy it for what it is? A MOVIE! I am 37 and my wife is 30- between the two of us we have read thousands of science fiction books, seen hundreds of SF movies (including the original SW trilogy many times over). In any reasonable person's mind, this would justify us as actually having a qualified opinion. And you know what our opinion is? TPW is a great movie. We particularly enjoyed Jar Jar. Sure, it's tough to understand his dialect at times- so what? Does that mean he SUCKS? Jar Jar represents tens of thousands of man-hours of work from dozens of actually talented people (unlike yourselves, of course)- and you peons hear 1 sound byte from him and declare him LAME. We LOVED all of the "kiddie" bits in the movie- you would have to be a brain-dead, heartless slug to not be entertained by this masterpiece. If you want "serious" SF, watch "The Matrix" again. I'll be watching Qui-Gon grab Jar Jar's tongue.
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Come on people, Jar Jar wasn't that bad! Mildly annoying, but at least he wasn't cute and cuddly like the Ewoks. Hell, the Gungans are downright ugly! Besides which, if there is 10 years between Ep.1 and 2, maybe his character will age a bit and be less goofy. For all we know, in TPM he could be an adolescent. Think about it--it would explain the clumsiness and the grating voice! After seeing the movie a second time, I say the only glaring flaw that hurts this movie is not Jar Jar, or even a lack of Darth Maul, but the excruciatingly slow pace of things after the podrace and on Coruscant. Lucas should have intercut the political stuff with some sort of action. Maybe scenes of what goes on in the Jedi temple, lightsaber training and whatnot? And the excellent score seemed to be missing! Maybe a fan out there with sound equipment could make a custom edited version with a more prominent soundtrack. A few other minor problems: The motivation for the federation invasion is unclear and weak; the lightsaber duel on Tatooine seems like it was tacked on--one second they are casually loading up their gear, the next minute they are running frantically?? Lucas needs to add some scenes that lead up to this and clarify things. Like maybe Qui-Gon feels a disturbance in the force, or he sees something way off approaching very fast, etc. And the movie was not clear on what a Sith is. That probably confused the non-fanboys. Finally, there was no friendly conflict among the main characters, like in the original trilogy. MY PREDICTIONS FOR EP.2: Maul is back, with mechanical legs, and maybe mechanical lungs. Future generations who see all 6 movies in sequential order will then think that Darth Vader is just a reconstructed Maul, and the surprise will remain in ESB! Anakin will be the rebel outlaw type, like Solo. (Maybe Jar Jar will be a bit more like Chewbacca?) Maybe this will give the main characters a dose of friendly conflict (like Han/Luke/Leia had) and make them more human and believable. And of course, in Ep.3, this conflict would turn not-so-friendly.....
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Jar Jar was cool..True he showed up at the wrong place at the wrong time but for the most part I really liked him. He was funny. So lay off him. Whenever I see his goofy smile I remember him bumbling around Watto's and Naboo. I honestly think he will be used less in Episode II since his master, Qui-Gon, kind of got it. So to all you haters, you can probably breathe a sigh of release. JAR JAR RULES!!! Oh and if he is Episode II alot well COOL!
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Talk back on AICN offers the opportunity to people who love movies to discuss, share ideas, and express feelings on movies. Perhaps they should have an alternative Talk Back for you called bitchy, narrow minded, self centered asshole alert. There is something to be learned by all the responses to the new Star Wars film with the exception of your response which only reminds friendly visitors that assholes will always have there say when given the opportunity. Find something real to backlash against. And by the way, I'm an aspiring director and I know a great deal about good directing and great film making, and you know what? I love Star Wars, I like Ep1, and it is one incredibly uneven, confused, flawed movie. If there ever was a film specifically made for an audiences enjoyment, this is it, and these people have a right to comment on what should have been...could have been...a great, great film.
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Me and my friends flew over from England to New York to see TPM and i have a few few things to say about Jar Jar.....he actually say "Exsqueeze me" & "How wude", he steps in doo doo and nearly every minute of his screen time is filled with unfunny slapstick, and the whole Star Wars is a kids movie argument is utter fucking bullshit!!! When i was 8 my father took me to see Star Wars...we both loved it, we both went to see it 9 times at that very cinema, when the special editions were released we both went to see them and again both loved them, this is the deal THEY WERE NOT KIDS MOVIES-HERBIE WAS A KIDS MOVIE- THEY WERE EXCITING MAGICAL ADVENTURE MOVIES SET IN ANOTHER GALAXY..when that two headed sports commentator tells us "thats gotta hurt in any universe" i found my self not in a galaxy far far away, but, sat in a cinema watching another summer blockbuster.. i have faith that Lucas can pull it out the bag for episode II but he needs to get rid of the jibbering yes men that he has surrounded himself with(can you honestly belive that no-one had the balls to tell him exactly How retarded Jar Jar is????? And on the subject of Decraprio, Lucas might as well cast him .....at least we'll have the same level as acting as the kid. I'm afraid us Star Wars kids are gonna have to face up to the fact that big george may have lost the plot.
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I liked the movie. I had no real problems with Jar Jar I understood his role in the film and had no negative opinions other than the voice. The real problem for me was the Midi Chlorian explanation. It was totaly unnecesary and only serves the water down the power and mystery of the Force. To go into so much biological detail about it only seems like so much Star Trek technobabble, and that's the last thing Star Wars needs right now.
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Strangely enough, I liked The Phantom Menace. It was a lot of fun, I enjoyed the "dull parts" with the Senate debating and the intrigue inherent in a bickering, dying empire. I LOVED Darth F'n Maul. That guy is, without a doubt, the man. Or the Sith whatever. Yet for some reason, George decided to give him minimal lines and involvement. You've seen the previews where he tells how fear is his weapon? WHERE THE HELL IS THAT LINE IN THE MOVIE?? I loved that line dammit! Sure, Star Wars had a lot of problems, the scripting was bad, the dialouge was worse... but I went in without having even read the slightest bit of a Star Wars review. I avoided all spoilers, and I went in with a clean mind and had a generally good experience. There was, however, one small problem ... and that problem turned out to be a full out epidemic. It goes by two words and those words happen to be the same: "Jar Jar." Or, as I call it, mind Jar! Get it? Man, that was a mind jarring experience... aww, nevermind. At any rate, THIS I cannot give to Lucas for creative genius or anything. Jar Jar just sucked. He was not funny, he was not interesting, he was a plague upon the movie! The first scene I saw him I cringed, I worried, I wondered why the hell he had to look so incredibly idiotic. And then... he spoke. ANd from then on, any scene he was in, any at all, was just about ruined for me. Now this is coming from a guy who could stand the Ewoks! But Jar Jar is simply the most annoying thing in the history of film. Worse than any Disney creation, worse than any other animated character, he is simply PAINFUL to listen to. And nauseating to watch. Together, the two can cause for a life-changing experience. The only people laughing at Jar Jar's jokes were two four year olds behind my chair at my theater. And I was preparing to turn around and tell them that "THAT NOT FUNNY!! PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! DON'T LAUGH AT SUCH STUPIDITY!"
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Enjoy TPM for what it is?
WHAT????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you enjoy TPM for being a piece of crap. Listen, I'm sorry, but this was bad. I love Star Wars. I love Darth Vader and whole bunch of little Ewoks. As for all of you people who are defending Jar-Jar, it's yes-men like yourself who made this movie the piece of shit that it is. You would defend any choice that George Lucas. If he made Anakin a 3-foot penis that fires deadly Force cum, you would say "OH, he wasn't THAT bad." YES HE WAS!!!!
Jar-Jar is the most annoying thing ever.
This is not "just a fun movie." This is Star Wars. This is not supposed to be just "another summer blockbuster." This is Star Wars dammit. I don't know about the rest of you, but I am NOT about to accept some crappy third-rate sci-fi flick as the prequel to the three greatest movies ever. To me, that is unacceptable. We have waited too long to just let it go at that. -
If anyone that is associated with George Lucas is reading this please tell him what you've seen here. Get some balls and just tell him that everyone under the sun hates JarJar Binks. JarJar is without a doubt the worst thing ever in a Star Wars film. He's the Ewoks times 10. The Gungans weren't bad at all just JarJar. If they had just left out him being farted on and screaming, "Wesa goin' home!" it would've really made him more tolerable, but everytime I think of how much I liked TPM there is always that little damper on the film that is JarJar. If JarJar does not return in the sequels then I can fully accept him in EP1. But if he is back in 2 then Star Wars will be all but ruined for me. He wasn't bad enough to kill TPM but you'd be suprised how many people I've talked to that hated him and feel the movie sucked because of him. He had more screen time than Obi-Wan Kenobi for Christ's sake. What the hell!! Hopefully it will come to George Lucas' attention that everyone hates JarJar and he won't bring him back. I doubt Lucas wants the controversy. You know all that stupid crap about him being a racial stereotype. Give me a friggin' break. Yeah and Tinky Winky is a homosexual. If a white dude had done his voice none of these issues would've surfaced. Get over you're stupid theories. If JarJar does return in EP2 please for the love of God make it for only a few minutes. I doubt that the Jedi Knights need the aid of a stupid ass amphibian in the clone wars. Think about it. A thousand Jedi Knights and JarJar Binks gathered on a battlefield with the fate of the galaxy in their hands. How can JarJar Binks help out in a battle like that? I don't think he'll be back for 2 reasons. His buddy Qui-Gon is no longer around and he was accepted back to his underwater city. Hopefully he'll stay there.
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Its confirmed that Jar Jar is coming back for Episode II along with a new digital Tinky-Winky from the Tellie-Tubbies and a digital character named 'Sambo' who has no resemblence to 1920's black stereotypes. The forest is actually called 'gum-drop forest'.
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come on you big ole red man, do a poll on Jar Jar Stinks...should he stay in episode II or should Kenobi do the decent thing and split him in two with one swift stroke!!!!!!!!!!
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Chewbacca's howl was about as fun to listen to as nails on a chalkboard. C-3PO was a homosexual robot who's main purpose was to constantly complain and shriek. R2-D2 was a beeping trash can. Yoda was presented to us as an all-powerful Jedi master, yet, he was nothing more than a muppet who fought with R2-D2 over a hunk of food. It's amazing to see fans of the absurd characters from the original trilogy bitching about Jar Jar Binks! TPM is what Star Wars has always been. Goofy, childish, SPELLBINDING. Could nostalgic memories be to blame for your appreciation of the original trilogy??? Being that TPM is EXACTLY what Star Wars has always been, I'd say yeah. Thankfully, I still love Star Wars, and not just my Star Wars memories.
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I'm a very demanding person. The next movie should be above and beyond the level that The Empire Strikes Back was to Star Wars. I cant believe that this was intended to be just a 'Kids' movie. GOD DAMN THAT JAR JAR TO HELL!!! Lucas should of just broke up the Star Wars franchise of his into two pieces. He can make the kiddie version of the Star Wars movies, and he could have another director make the more "DEMANDING" version of a Star Wars movie. ALSO GOD DAMN THAT BOSS NASS TO HELL TOO!!!..who did I forget?
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Scoop! Scoop! Scoop!
In Nation magazine there is a qoute from Lucas about TPM -He says he wanted to introduce the concept of GOD to children in his audience. He believes in GOD, but isn't sure what he is.
Question -Then why destroy the original idea of THE FORCE? He took away the mystic mystery of the force and changed it into scientific, x-files BS.
I fear we have lost a great filmmaker. I blame it on his kids, they softened him up and took away his edge.
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Don't blame his kids for his 'Softness' Blame that 'CHEATING SLUT" Marcia Lucas for breaking the man. My God George! Let the ANGER OUT! Don't go soft! GET REALLY PISSED when you make the next ep. I DARE YA!
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"HOLIER THAN THOU" PREACHERS. Bunch of pussies.
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My jaw literally dropped after reading your talkback. Star Wars has always been goofy and childish? TPM is "exactly" the same tone as IV, V and VI? Whoa.... Even with all the Ewoks and the watering down of the "Special Edition," the first trilogy was chiefly about duty, love, friendship, loss, evil, hate, courage, and most significantly- redemption. The humor was mostly done in the tone of someone "whistling past the graveyard." What have we got here? Jedi going about their work like nothing more than emotionless droids. (Qui-Gon, Kenobi stonefaced before absolute peril) A lack of human consequence to war (Shields, robot armies..) Conflict without tension (Annie and Jar Jar *constantly* performing miracles *by accident* ie blowing up command ship/killing hordes of battle droids) Antagonists who we understand are evil only because of the clothes/makeup they wear. (Maul /Sidious/ Palpatine) You totally miss the point of interesting characters like Yoda. Yoda was liked by all the fans because he was more than he seemed. I mean, here is this goofy muppet with characteristics like wisdom, strength, vulnerability, regret... What does Jar Jar (and the other Jar Jar related plotlines) add to the story? Dog doo references? TPM is a RADICAL departure from past episodes. It should be obvious that those of us you tear down don't dislike TPM because one character or another "looks stupid" or because we think the Jedi council should have sent four Jedi instead of two. That is "fanboy" territory. What we sorely miss is good writing. We miss a story. We miss the epic drama that we hoped for from this movie. So yes, I think it is self evident that TPM has as much in common with A New Hope as Barney has in common with War and Peace. I'll really put you on the spot now: Who do you have a better feel for as a serious character after one movie? Whose personality and motivations makes the better impact? Peter Mayhew's Chewbacca or Ewan McGregor's Kenobi? The best that can be said about McGregor is that he did a good accent and looked good in the part. I think the nuances, the times the characters weren't even speaking dialogue, in ANH beats the cluttered, headache inducing, shallow character building style of TPM. The one moment of Luke staring resolutely into the Tatooine sunset beats the millions of deafening special effects Lucas threw at us in TPM. Is there a shift in the Star Wars series? Yes. Now, it's style over substance. But, it sure sells a lot of tacos.
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You know, i am so sick and tired of all the little kids sitting in fron of thier computers thinking they know what "would" be better. You know what, if the lot of you think you can do a better job than Lucas, go out and make films of your own. Luke staring into the suns...I swear if i hear about that one more time i will throw up all over my keyboard. LUKE WAS OLDER...ANI IS A CHILD. he is supposed to be in awe...how many children do you know that would just sit and stare. KIDS TALK. They want adventure, Lucas is obviously looking at his own children and seeing the innocence they posses. As for cutting scenes. Nothing is done for no reason. I am not ashamed to say that I enjoyed the hell out of TPM. And i will continue to pay to see it more than one more time. So for all you Quasi-critics out there give your fingers a rest from the keyboards and remember how to "enjoy" films...THATS WHAT THEY ARE MADE FOR.
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hmm, I have a great feel for Ewan McGregor's Kenobi actually. Especially in comparison to the older version. he used to _be_ like Luke. He doesn't yet understand the consequences of his actions fully. Did you see the anger and hatred when he killed Maul?
By accident? remember the Force? Annie has a Destiny to fulfil, he knows no other way than 'trusting' to the force, he's young and innocent,and hasn't grown completley jaded and cynical. But he was a slave, and learned things the hard way, so yoda calls him 'too old'. That gives me tremendous insight in to the quiet, resigned sighs of the older Yoda. And why does yoda looks so different now? Now he's a Jedi Master, on the Council. He hasn't given up on everything yet, he hasn't watched his universe change to evil, and had to hide on some backwater swamp planet to stay alive. I'm sorry you see no depth. Can't see the water for the ocean, I guess. -
just wanted to let everyone know about http://www.episodeii.com our web site dedicated to Star Wars Episode II.
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Oh a couple more things.
People keep saying 'This movie sucks compared to the Trilogy'.. this movie isn't a trilogy, it's a movie. The Trilogy built depth and changed characters over time. Don't compare an apple seed to an apple tree.
Also, and this may be rehash, but it seems fairly well established that the Dark Side has a decrepitizing effect on the body, and I have been told that there is a 'Sith Trick' that allows them to take over new bodies. There is a chance, no matter how slim, that Palpatine is a _good guy_ and not Darth Sidious. Wouldn't that be a twist? Watching as Sidious takes over Palpatine, not in a position of power to use it for his own purposes, as we find out that Palpatine was actually not who we thought. I wouldn't put it past Lucas.. Would you?
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To all those living in America. The British press was ranting and raving about British films again with the release of Notting Hill. It was predicted that it will take most of the business away from TPM.
I am glad this never happened! I urge all SW fans (and people) to steer well clear of Notting Hill, if you have even the slightest intention of watching this
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Again, I see your nostalgic memories are making excuses for the original trilogy's whimsical style. If TESB debuted last week, somber fanboys like yourself would be flipping out over the way Yoda was presented. "I've been hearing for months that TESB was going to feature a BAD ASS Jedi master who trains Luke to defeat Vader. I heard he was 10 times more powerful than Kenobi. I had these awesome images of Yoda as a bald kung fu monk in my head. I thought he was going to be the baddest motherfucker walkin'. Imagine my horror when I saw him. LUCAS MADE HIM A FUCKING MUPPET! George has lost his mind! How can I take a Muppet seriously as a powerful Jedi master?! I CAN'T! Fuck you, George! You sold out to the kids!" Most likely we'd also hear you spew how foolish and childish it was to watch C-3PO complain about his head being reattached backwards. "One minute we were watching in horror as Vader tortured Han, the next minute Lucas wastes our time with unoriginal comedy no one cares about! Why doesn't he have someone he trusts edit his films? His pacing sucks! Someone needs to rein him in!" Face it or not, TPM matches the storytelling style of the original 3 films. As I said earlier, based on the petty complaints I'm hearing from you TPM-haters, your nostalgic memories are keeping you from noticing the innocent, wide-eyed tone of the original trilogy. Search your feelings...you know it to be true. Or better yet, re-watch the original films, but instead of fast-forwarding to the Imperials and Boba Fett, watch the whole thing. Brace yourselves, however, because you'll notice things such as C-3P0 and R2-D2 strolling through a frenzied line of fire without being hit by the whizzing lasers...you'll notice Chewbacca barking at a comical Imperial robot on wheels, which will cause it to turn tail and run away, beeping in fear, running at a Charlie Chaplin speed...you'll see a squad of trained killers (Stormtroopers) run away from one man with a gun (Han)... The list goes on. Prepare yourselves for a shock to the system.
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I'm with gboybama. I think that time will tell how this film holds up to the others. There's nothing wrong with critisism. An overwhelming amount of fans think George slipped up. Trust me, these Star Wars fans really...really wanted to fall in love with this film. They couldn't. They're not just loving to hate. At least they are being honest. And after waiting 16 years and being told by Lucas' people that this is going to be an extraodinary film, you can understand why people are bothered. People like Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Lawrence Kasdan, and Gilbert Taylor made huge contributions to the older films. They are gone now and I think it is evident that complete control may not always be the best thing. Is it only a movie? I don't know what that means. The fact that we are debating this film to death leads me to believe that is means something more to us...and that's okay. By the way, I though Kershner is alive and working on a new film.
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I debated whether or not to even post this message. Because it is a reaction to more crap than anything and not worth my time to indulge in.
But, someone needs to say something.
You can have your opinions. I hope you do. It would be a pretty boring world if you didn't have your own likes, dislikes, and ideas of how your world should be.
I'm sure most of you like myself grew up with Star Wars and dreamt of it more than Santa Clause and often deemed an alterego in our childhood fantasies from the Star Wars Universe.
But, people need to realize that Star Wars (the movies - not video games) are NOT catalog movies. They are independent films that are only distributed by 21st Century Fox.
What makes Star Wars what it is is George Lucas. I'm not just talking about his money, direction, or company. It's HIS mind and HIS imagination and HIS dreams. Not YOURS. Not MINE.
He has created a situation that is allowing him to express a fantastic reality that exists in his mind and soul. Statements like "I hope George Lucas realizes how much people dislike..." is IGNORANT.
Why would you hope such a thing. To make him feel good? Bad? Or so that he MIGHT not express the next story to be representative of what is really Star Wars (which again for those that are only thinking of how to respond to me and not really listening... what is really Star Wars IS GEORGE LUCAS). Do you think he really cares about pleasing YOU? Or pleasing a specific percentage of people?
Many of you (those that I am talking about) probably feel this way for different reasons. Perhaps the movie doesn't portray how you would tell the story. Concentrate on your own lives. Why would you waste your time bantering about what you don't like? It's a waste of your time and makes you look like an idiot to those that actually GET IT.
Maybe your jealous or envious because you didn't like Jar-jar (just an example) and thought others were dumb to like it. It is YOU people that actually cause the subtle unrest in the world that causes larger scale problems such as anger and hatred among the rest of us. I'm not saying I am perfect; but get a clue.
When you saw episodes IV-VI your brain is smaller than it is now. You liked the story and movies. As you grew up, you probably comprehended the abstract concepts much more. Now, you have your own ideas and they aren't being expressed exactly as you would like. Don't take it personal. George doesn't dislike you personally, but I certainly wouldn't sacrifice my life (whether it be making Star Wars or my lunch) for yours if it wasn't going to hurt you.
Like I said before it is good that we all feel differently about virtually everything.
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as a native californian that has just moved permanently to australia, i'd just like to offer my services if any extra eyes are needed. should be interesting to see australia turned upside down (ha-ha) for awhile...
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