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Regarding the rumors that Marvel won't bring back Jon Favreau for IRON MAN 2...

Hey folks, Harry here... IESB.net broke a story about how they're hearing that the reason Jon Favreau isn't secured to direct IRON MAN 2 is that Marvel Studios Head Honcho - David Maisel is skimping and being cheap regards to making Jon Favreau's deal. I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise. There is a very very strong chance that unless David Maisel pulls his head out of his ass and work on this deal - you'll see Jon Favreau directing anything but an IRON MAN 2 or an AVENGERS movie. While the details of Favreau's deal on the first IRON MAN are not public knowledge - he was paid an upfront fee - with real backend participation. Given the success that is clearly happening with IRON MAN - this deal is going to reward MARVEL STUDIOS greatly. That said - MARVEL should look back at their own Comic History - their history of fucking over the talent and artists that created much of their library often resulted in those artist leaving the company... creating incredibly profitable characters for other companies and for themselves - resulting in lost revenue for MARVEL that had they treated their artists fairly and justly - rewarding those that brought in the rewards for the company... well, maybe Marvel's comic branch wouldn't have been through such a grotesque roller coaster ride. Jon Favreau wants to do more IRON MAN movies. He would love to play in the Marvel Universe. Sadly... David Maisel is penny pinching his own company into a malignant purplenurple. MARVEL STUDIOS has - officially two movies under their belt. IRON MAN & THE INCREDIBLE HULK. Both of which are outstanding films that do a better job of exploiting their characters than anything the Studio system has done so far. However - MARVEL INVESTORS - watch carefully what happens here. If you see MARVEL unwilling to do what is necessary to keep the talent in play - then forget about MARVEL STUDIOS becoming the Pixar of Superhero films. PIXAR is the model of how to do this. They not only developed internal talent, but hired great talent from other companies - and they're doing everything in their power to keep those incredibly talented and creative people happily working in house. Running a studio and creating franchises is all about Talent management - and if MARVEL doesn't step up and do the right thing - then all our dreams about a great MARVEL UNIVERSE will begin to wash away. When I brought this up with Kevin Feige at the Austin screening of THE INCREDIBLE HULK - he said they would be working with Favreau - but that isn't what I've heard from other sources - and it isn't what IESB is hearing either. The dream of MARVEL STUDIOS is that we don't see stupid decisions like what we saw happen with Fox on X-MEN - where they resort to bringing in "talent" to take over and destroy the work that was already in play. MARVEL has the opportunity to create franchises that last - not for a few years, but for decades. But they have to make the right decisions and be willing to work with the artists that will grow and evolve the properties into franchises that are worth existing. When an artists' run grows stale, that's when you change horses - not after the first win.

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  • June 10, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    foesri

    by Chumkid

    first

  • June 10, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    by SMARTASS8

    Maybe we'll get a Favreau directed Steel movie?

  • June 10, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Sounds about par for the course with Marvel

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    Favreau must be aware of the King's treatment at Marvel's hands.....

  • June 10, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Dear Mr. Maisel -

    by lonestaricon

  • June 10, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    How do we know Favreau isn't asking too much?

    by Flim Springfield

    Not saying he is, just... the possibility is there.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by DHJeffries

    With non-Marvel Studio-created franchises, at least we got TWO decent films (Spider-Man 2, X2) before they went down the shitter...

  • June 10, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    I agree, Harry

    by cornponious

    Completely.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Favreau is peripheral to Iron Man's success.

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    Sorry but it's true.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Marvel better sign Favreau and his team soon.

    by Ayii

    Otherwise there's going to be quite the nasty taint over the production of Iron Man 2 and a warning to other directors that if they help make a Marvel character a success, that they might get shafted on the sequels.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Keep Favreau in play

    by Cobbio

    Please! He's the REASON "Iron Man" kicked so much ass and made so much money.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    without Favreau

    by palooka_boy

    Iron Man 2 will be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions. and you can forget about a half decent Avengers movie, because Iron Man 2 won't make nearly as much as its predecessor, and Marvel will scrap the whole idea. besides, didn't RDJ say he would play Iron Man in an Avengers movie IF Favreau helmed it?

  • June 10, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Nice!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You had an incredibly successful first film! So NATURALLY you wanna ... mix it up a little! See what happens if you change, say ... the DIRECTOR? Brilliant. I love risk-taking studios. I'll be the first to say the notorious UWE BOLL is the man for Iron Man II: The New Batch.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Dear Mr. Maisel -

    by lonestaricon

    Jon Favreau did Marvel an incredible job of bringing Ironman to the big screen. He brought a comic book character to life on par with Donner's Superman. Give Favreau the deal he wants and Ironman 2 will be an even greater success. Do it not and you will deservedly considered a dumbass, fucktard by the fans, who have my blessing to kick your ass whenever and where ever they come upon you.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    My head exploded

    by prunkhaft

    So Favreau goes above and beyond- delivers an outstanding movie that generated great fan/critical/financial success and Maisel wants to bust the mans balls? Is Downey Jr. gonna ask for too much and he'll want to hire Shia instead? Favreau said on Howard Stern that he got paid very little for the first Iron Man on the understanding that on part two he would get backend points. And he deserves it. If this story is even halfway true Maisel is an extraordinary ass.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Time for studios to start respecting those that make the gold

    by Silverglade

    favs was money. do not fuck with that, Marvel. don't mess this up for us.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Harry: Keeping Raimi was far worse than hiring Ratner

    by Stormwatcher

    Sorry to say it, cuz I HATE the Rat and his films. But X3 was far, far, far superior to Spidey 3. I hope they keep Favreau but hope even more that Raimi isn't involved in Spidey 4, or Kirsten, two song minimum, Dunst

  • June 10, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Favreau

    by Quint

    What Favreau brought to the movie was his outlook on effects, melding practical and CG, but never going for either in exchange for character. He also very smartly opened himself and the movie up to the fan community making dozens of appearances at cons, showing footage, etc. Not to mention it was him who forced Downey through the system. He had to convince Marvel it'd work and it's perfect.<BR><BR>In my experience with Favreau at ILM, he was the captain of the ship, everybody who he dealt with looked up to him and he looked up to them in return. If they take away the captain of the ship now, they have no idea what it's going to cost them in fan reaction and support, let alone the support of the technical cast and crew who went above and beyond to make the movie as great as it was. And make no mistake, the quality of the movie is the reason for its success. IRON MAN as a character could have just as easily flopped as succeeded. All the difference was in the performance by Downey and the leadership of Favreau.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    BRING FAVREAU BACK!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Don't you ruin this Marvel. Don't you dare. Pay the man. FOr the love of god there has to be enough money going around to make everyone happy!

  • June 10, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    DickBlood: Did you make fun of Buffy? That got my original monik

    by Stormwatcher

    I used to be Atribiance, and then SamuraiJackBauer, but I made fun of Buffy on the Coxial and Herc or some dick banned me.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF WRONGNESS

    by prunkhaft

    Peripheral? So who deserves credit? Source Material? Of course...but as far as what is on screen the director is responsible for-and that is especially true for effects laden films, like Iron Man.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Brett Rattner for Iron Man 2 and Avengers!

    by TheNorthlander

    George W Bush for 8 more years!

  • June 10, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    It's a parallel to the failure of free market

    by Guy Gaduois

    Economics . . . you have commodities traders and speculators who never actually handle product, never create, never actually consume, but make their fortunes as middle-middle men; the result is the sinkhole that once was free market economy, being eaten by the termites of commodities traders and speculators. In moviedom, their equal is these potholes called executives. They've never handled the product, they've never created the product, they've never actually enjoyed a movie or anything creative because they are soul-less. They are about securing their tenuous power for as long as possible, no matter what detrement is caused in the long run for creative process and long term success. I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, to quote Albert Brooks.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    David Maisel is a fucking idiot

    by messi

    the dude is so fucking corporate. this bullshit about marvel studios not making R films. as if image means anything you dumb fuck. you think the people who pay to see the movies will say "oh my god! they make R films, i am not taking my children to this" times have changed fucknut, people dont give a fuck unless the movie looks interesting. Your argument is contradicted by the people who made 300 a mega hit. Such stupid corporate greed means that they would actually pass on a hard R academy award winning Punisher movie. Fucking idiot.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Well-put, Quint

    by Cobbio

    It's what I would've said if I could write that well and had more information than I do.<p> I reiterate: please keep Favreau, if at all possible.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    This is just idiotic.

    by Rando Calrisian

    This makes absolutely no fucking sense. <br> <br> Is is possible that the suits at Marvel do not read fan reaction to Favreau's work on this film? <br> <br> Yes, he's going to be more expensive after creating the hit that Marvel has been dreaming about. Pay the man his damn money. <br> <br> No matter what, Iron Man 2 is going to be huge, but why rush a sub-par turd into the theaters? <br> <br> Did anyone working at Marvel really enjoy the Fantastic 4 and Ghostrider movies? The reason Iron Man is still playing in the theaters after a month is because of the attention Favreau and his team put into it. <br> <br> Don't Get Fucking Greedy. It is your release schedule that is going to ruin your studio - again. <br> <br> Of course this could completely be a leak from Favreau to get fans pointing out exactly how much of an idiot he is so he will sign Fav up this week. <br> <br> That would be pretty smart when you think about it...

  • June 10, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Wait I smell opportunity

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Now they can recast Tony Stark with TOM CRUISE! Now I smell Oscar! And get that chick from Transformers to play Pepper Potts ... except change her name to Pepper Hotts. Sorry, I stink.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Well maybe if they didn't renew the Sony spidey rights

    by messi

    they wouldn't be so cheap, but what kind of fucking idiot makes an asinine business decision like that. ohh yeah David Maisel. the same guy who doesn't want to hire Jon Favreau back. What a fucking idiot.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    This is the type of article I used to love on here.

    by GQtaste

    Good job Harry. Instead of tits reading and a tween book chapter a day your going back to what made you successfull.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    I expected this to happen

    by WhoDis

    just not this soon. it was funny because Jon was on Howard Stern about 2 weeks after IRON MAN was released and HS was shocked a deal wasn't already sealed with him coming back already after the enormous success it was. I guess that was the first red flag. fuck...

  • June 10, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Marvel is screwing up

    by tyberious25

    They got to wake up and keep Favreau! If not Ironman 2 will flop. Learn from Superman, Dick DOnner should have been brought back. The past repeats its self bring back Favreau. Petition time

  • June 10, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    He may be Marvel President. but acts like Lex Luthor

    by messi

    What a cunt.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Let's see here...

    by waggy

    Iron Man becomes the best reviewed superhero movie ever made, has a blockbuster opening weekend followed by exceptionally strong word of mouth that results in a relatively unknown character selling more tickets than the long awaited return of one of the most successful franchises in movie history, and catapulting its star onto the A-list. Yeah guys, let's totally fuck around with that formula by tossing away the leading creative force behind all of it. Marvel, I ask this as both a fan and a businessman: Are you fucking retarded???

  • June 10, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    The Marvel people would kill Jesus for a dollar.

    by duncanwk

    Way to ruin a good thing. You suck Marvel.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Teddy KGB says...

    by Embeedeuce

    Pay the man his money, straight up... With his "check check check." :)

  • June 10, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    While I dont like the rushing part

    by BeatsMe

    Gotta agree that Favreau is not really that big a part of the equation. Downey made that movie a better than average (but just by a little) summer superhero movie. Favreau doesn't have enough vision as a filmmaker to really pull off should-be epic movies, though I'll take him over Bay, Ratner types any day.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    This is beyond stupid

    by StealthBeagle

    The difference in what it will take up front to make Favs happy and what Marvel might fuck this all up over is less than what the sequel will make during the fucking midnight showings the day the flick opens. This is so far beyond stupid I'm almost speechless. His deal for Iron Man 2 and Avengers showed have been sealed around Sunday of opening weekend. Fucking ridiculous.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Harry what about menitoning Spidey

    by messi

    and how they could have terminated the rights and made a proper spidey series of movies but instead they renewed them meaning we have to deal with half ass maguire playing some parrallel universe peter and the unsexy kirsten dunst.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Is there ANY chance the decisions makers at Marvel are reading t

    by O_Goncho

    If so, you guys need to MAN UP.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    this?*

    by O_Goncho

    Ahem, MAN UP, etc.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Sony ain't Cheap.

    by Rando Calrisian

    I'm sure Marvel got plenty of cash from that deal. Anyone know how many more pics Sony paid for?

  • June 10, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Isn't this what you're begging for, Harry?

    by MrD

    This is almost inevitable when you are creating a shared movie universe. The universe becomes far more important than the individual players, especially those behind the scenes. Marvel has a schedule for Iron Man 2, Cap, Thor, and, I'm guessing, Hulk 3 (likely in pencil) all to culminate in the grande Avengers movie that gave so many fans masturbatory fantasies not so long ago. Well, if Favreau - who I agree was a big part of the film's success - has a conflicting schedule, if he wants to take time to "get it right", but that would conflict with Marvel's Billion Dollar To-Do List, we all know what will give.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by blimblambloo

    Well, it was a good month or so, while it lasted. Maybe the cheaper Iron Man 2 director will decide that War Machine looks better in a leather jumpsuit and go that route. For what is leather but a softer form of metal anyway. Make him look like Hancock. That would be cheaper too.

  • June 10, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Totally fucking insane.

    by zb.brox

    Iron Man was fucking phenomenal, and it was an enormous box office hit. The movie is approaching 300 million dollars: IT MADE MORE MONEY THAN ANY SUPERHERO MOVIE THAT WASN'T SPIDER-MAN! You read right: *Iron Man*, virtually unknown to mainstream audiences, outdid Batman, Superman, and the X-Men. And it is *the best-reviewed movie of the year* and *the best-reviewed superhero movie of all time*. Marvel, for god's sake, Favreau hit this one out of the goddamn ballpark and across the state, GIVE HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: Who's the Big Winner?

    by slugbat

    Not Mikey, I guess.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: The Ballad of Pepper Hotts

    by slugbat

    No one on the history of the planet is as sexy as that Fox chick. Fuuuuuuck.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    BATMAN 3: JUDGE DREDD

    by O_Goncho

    Wait... what?

  • June 10, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Which would be better?

    by Rando Calrisian

    A Favreau produced Iron Man 2, and Favreau directed Avengers movie? Or the other way around, because that release schedule Marvel pulled out of thir ass isn't going to allow both. But removing him completely from the picture would really be stupit.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    What can we do?

    by billsrule7

    Hey Harry, what can we as fans do to pressure Marvel? Where do we call / write?

  • June 10, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    From Marvels' POV...

    by Charlie Murphy

    they fucking want another Iron Man before Avengers. And Favreau has gone ON RECORD saying he doesn't think he could do it, so it's not surprising they'd try and find someone who can. that said, Marvel is a bunch of fucking idiots not to try and make it work with Jon. A pay raise is not too much too ask, and surely Marvel could alter the sequel's release date if the man needs more time. But rushing it into production with some hack director just to rake in the bucks is foolish. If they burn the Favreau bridge, who's to say Downer Jr. won't take offense to that? Huh, Marvel? Are you willing to take that chance?

  • June 10, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Quite Suprised

    by THE KNIGHT

    funny how shit hits the fan when money is involved. I'd personally like to see Jon come back, I'm sure he's ready to show us what he's got with a sequel that usualy ups the ante.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN: THE LAST STAND

    by O_Goncho

    Directed by Brott Rotner

  • June 10, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Marvel, say it isn't so!!

    by mypostingid

    Favreau's insight and talents are very much needed for IM2. Does anyone know if RDJ has in fact been approached and signed for IM2? I thought he had a contract for sequels, but then, I thought the same about Favreau.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    With apologies to T-Bolt

    by slugbat

    Pepper Hotts cracked me up, so I paid homage to that. In fact, Fox is so hot I'd fuck her with your dick.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 starring KEVIN SORBO as Iron Man!

    by O_Goncho

    Called it first

  • June 10, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    WTF

    by Broseph

    why can't people do the right thing instead of let greed rule them.i saw the movie yesterday and thought it was great.if favreau dosn't direct part 2 i won't go see it.i hope robert backs him on this

  • June 10, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed Iron Man

    by proper

    Good work fella,Pay the man........

  • June 10, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Imagine...

    by DHJeffries

    if this film had been helmed by Mark Steven Johnson -- complete with the beat-by-beat outline from Daredevil, reused on Ghost Rider, and terribly integrated CG -- and then say that Favreau wasn't integral to Iron Man's success.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: Biting The Hand That Feeds You

    by slugbat

  • June 10, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    UNBELIEVABLE

    by hegele

    I won't see Iron Man 2 without Fav or Rob.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Release dates can change.

    by O_Goncho

    I sure hope Marvel realise that sooner rather than later.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    DAVID MAISEL IS A GARGANTUAN DOUCHE

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    This fucker needs to be out of a job. Renews Sony's Spider-Man rights? Check. Cuts out huge, important chunks of The Incredible Hulk? Check. Pisses all over Favreau, the guy who gave their studio any rep it has? Check.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Wake Up, Marvel!

    by MovieDeal

    Favreau is a true fan. Pay the man what he wants! It will still be a "drop in the bucket" to the bottom line. And he's shown what he can do when he's given the freedom to show the story he wants to tell. What's the problem? He wants Ironman to SUCCEED!!!

  • June 10, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Robert Downey Jr. Will Walk, Mark My Words

    by FreeKill

    Damn, this is a terrible story for the day. If Favreau is gone I guarantee RDJ and probably every other character will try to get out of whatever contracts they're locked into. I don't get studios, already the first Iron Man made more money then it cost to make, and by the time it's done will probably be around the 1 billion mark in terms of DVD sales and worldwide gross. Why be a greedy asshole and jeopardize repeating that 2-3-4-5 times by pissing off all the people who made the first version a success?

  • June 10, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Remember, Marvel Studios has ONE hit, financed on credit.

    by Flim Springfield

    I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but Marvel Studio's house of cards is one big-budget bomb away from collapse. It's hard to blame them for being somewhat stingy early on.<br> That said, they definitely need Favreau back.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Come on, no one is that retarded

    by CherryValance

    Who in their right mind would even think about replacing Favreau? Pfft. This has to be bad information.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    DOWNEY WILL NOT APPEAR IN A FAVS-LESS IRON MAN

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    He'll definitely walk.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Sad...

    by mefrog

    Iron Man WAS Favreau and Downey. Take one out and everything fucks up. I REALLY hope this shit turns around... just the thing I needed to put me down at the end of the day.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    CherryValance

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    The person who, in their right mind would even think about replacing Favreau, is that assclown David Maisel.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    We'll have a clearer picture after seeing Hulk's opening weekend

    by Flim Springfield

  • June 10, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Letting Favreau go would be retarded

    by milesdyson

    This makes no sense. ONE HIT and now they're pinching pennies and fucking around with what worked? Oh and I'm sure Downey Jr. will be thrilled about this.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    is Downey already signed?

    by TheSeeker7

    Because I'm thinking, in a show of solidarity, if this truly would happen that Downey would say -- No Favs, No Me.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    well that's what I get for not looking

    by TheSeeker7

    at other talkbacks before I post mine.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Why can't they just throw like 20 mil at Favs?

    by slugbat

    Or is that low? I don't know. 20 bones seems reasonable.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    George Lucas Can Save This Franchise

    by dumbpeoplesuck

    Hope that inspired some bladder-emptying laughter out there through the tears.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks BeatsMe

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    I'll give my honest opinion: Iron Man was an average movie. Directed by an average director. With a potentially exceptional franchise lead - RDJ is the crucial element (indeed it is a cruel irony that he was only accepted after Favreau championed him). See what the "suits" are thinking here? You could have a better Iron Man movie if you let Marvel Studios stick to their guns. After all, their product so far has suggested they 'get it' (That is, Favreau and RDJ could only get into the funhouse if Maisel gave them the key, for want of a better fucking analogy), and there are two sides to every story. Look, I appreciate Favreau has a passion for the project but I get the feeling people are thinking with their hearts rather than their heads on this one. Come on - he got to direct ONE didn't he?!

  • June 10, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    TheSeeker7

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    He's signed, but he can just threaten to fuck with production and/or half-ass his performance and they'll let him go. Downey will NOT do IM2 without Favs, and Paltrow/Howard probably wouldn't either.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I wondered that too...

    by mypostingid

    TheSeeker7, I asked if anyone knew if RDJ has signed for sure yet. Do you know? I think that's a factor. Also, how well The Hulk does this weekend...

  • June 10, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Let your voice be heard

    by billsrule7

    http://marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=dept_contact_current.php&department=IR Under the department, select "investor relations"

  • June 10, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Why is it always some suit fucking things up?

    by Dr. Egon Spengler

  • June 10, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    The stars of Iron Man are Robert Downey Jr and Iron Man

    by Rupee88

    everything else is pretty expendable. Favreau did a good job but I can see them going for a less expensive alternative.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    FUCK DAVID MAISEL

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    David Maisel needs to die and Kevin Feige needs to get his job. Feige is the one who actually worked with Favreau/Letterier in the movies, Maisel is just your typical dumbass corporate prick who comes in to fuck everything up.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Megan Foxx

    by slugbat

    Bro, you might be right about Favs, but has there ever been a case where they took a successful team apart for the sequel and it was BETTER?? Doubtful.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Rupee88

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    And who fought to get Downey the job when that fucker David Maisel said no? That's right, it was Favreau. And you can bet your ass Downey will remember that.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    He has no idea. like putting Cap before Avengers

    by messi

    I'm sure a cap movie put out before avengers will work wonders overseas. idiot. if you had any business sense. you'd know that the best way for a cap america movie to make money is for people to be introduced to him via an avengers movie, then they'ed see what a cool character he is, and not assume he's a jingoistic usa usa usa character. but you're stupid. you'd realize a chunk of captain america readers were introduced to him via avengers. theres more chance of a cap movie making money if done after avengers.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Megan Foxx etc. etc.

    by zb.brox

    I'm sorry, I totally disagree. Iron Man was probably my third favorite superhero movie to date, after Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins, and a huge part of that is Favreau's direction. If the same script and cast had been handled the way Rattner handled X3 or MSJ handled Daredevil, it could have easily been totally fucking painful. As far as I'm concerned, Favs rocked it, and I don't even begin to trust another director with the work he started.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    What you need is ME in charge of both Marvel and Warner/DC

    by messi

    then you'll get your epic Avengers/Ultimates movie. Your space opera Geoff Johns written Green Lantern movie. Your Brubaker written World War 2 Cap movie with the triangle shield. The Hulk's orgin would have been a gamma bomb and involved Rick Jones. AND I WOULD NOT HAVE LET SONY RENEW THE SPIDEY RIGHTS!!!! FUCKING HELL. One day I will take his job and make a real fucking series of spidey films where spidey is actually spidey.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    HULK SMASH PUNY DAVID MAISEL

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • June 10, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    "real backend participation"

    by Rupee88

    maybe you know more about Fav's deal than he does, but he said on Howard Stern that he doesn't get any back end from the gross of Iron Man. And he pointed out that Elf made hundreds of millions of bucks and he didn't see a penny from that back end deal.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by slugbat

    I know I'm trollin at this point, but Cappy needs no introduction. He's iconic. People don't hate America, they hate current foreign policy and they can decipher between the two. <p> Hell, if people really hated America, we wouldn't have half the 3rd World immigrating here every year.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Just hire Mark Steven Johnson!

    by Brians Life

    Cuz that went SO fucking well both times!! MARVEL...Fav's helped to develop one of the most successful and amazingly faithful adaptations of your material TO DATE!!! <br><br>I am already barely capable of buying ANY of your dreck comics (gotta admit though SECRET INVASTION is dOOOOOOPe!! But you've fucked Spidey beyond the point of no return!!FUCK Winick! Fuck JMS! Fuck Joey "CHEESE" QUESADILLA!!! Holmes!!!<br><br>Anyway...I don't buy your fucking comics, so DONT MAKE ME not go see your movies as well. <br><br>Oh, wait...i DON'T see all your movies...cuz the majority suck! Sort your shit out!

  • June 10, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Favreau has been getting better as a director

    by Traveler 27

    my first reaction about IM: it was pretty good. what I liked most was that it laid the foundations for more, and it FELT right. Lots can get better in the next movie, but the structure of the character and story and relationships FELT very right and well done. I mean, we all know a suit like that would probably snap the neck of its wearer in real life, buit I buy it in this movie. Look and feel...that's a director's job. What is good and right about this movie is dur to Favreau. This is, actually, the first time I can remember a director saying he was a fan...and actually showing us what looks like a fan's movie. And the easter egg at the end...Losing Favreau would be...not good.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Slugbat--

    by zb.brox

    I don't think people hate America, but people do hate America's tendency to (falsely) assume American superiority in all regards, and Captain America could *totally* be taken that way initially. Having said that, I actually agree with you--Cap doesn't need that introduction, he just needs to be handled the right way.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    AVI ARAD > DAVID MAISEL

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    There, I said it.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    They could get Ratner...

    by cornponious

    and it would be AWESOME!! <p> Not RETARDED!! <p> Just KIDDING!!1!

  • June 10, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    they can't ....marvel can't shoot itself in it's foot ?

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    MOTHER FUCKING DAVID MAISEL..... DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THIS UP....... DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THIS UP YOU CHEAP BASTARD ......

  • June 10, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    BOTTOM LINE:

    by parallax_r

    If Favreau is not brought back for any sequels, then MARVEL can forget about ever seeing my money ever again. I boycotted Spider Man 3 because they gave Venom the Darth Maul treatment (still have not seen the film, even on video), and I have no qualms or reservations about doing the same for this movie. WE WANT FAVREAU!

  • June 10, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    slugbat

    by messi

    you need some education son. I can tell you a straight up released captain america movie will make fuck all business in the UK and Australia and half of europe. He's iconic in comics and people know of him, but they don't realize he's a character that stands for the american dream rather than the government. most people i have talked to in my life when cap is mentioned assume him to be a usa usa usa type right wing character.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: The Quest to be BackEnded

    by slugbat

    Stark retools the ass-plate on his robo-suit.

  • June 10, 2008, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I won't see an Iron Man sequel without him...

    by Frank Black

    I was so over super hero movies but Iron Man just nailed it Roberty Downey Jr and Jon Favreau will be the only combo to make this 37 year old get back in the theater for this property. It was just so entertaining it hurt.

  • June 10, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    "HERE'S MY BIG PLAN!"

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    "We can use Iron Man 2 to introduce Thor for his movie launch a month later. But first, we have to make Iron Man 2 as shitty as possible so that we can make sure people will see neither movie!" -David Maisel

  • June 10, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Fuck that. Avi Arad has done more damage than Maisel

    by messi

    this is Maisel's first major fuck up. but Arad has been behind just about every other Marvel movie barring Iron man and Hulk and they are all pretty mediocre to awful. he has no idea what a great film is nor hasn't read many comics as it seems. Iron Man's success is due to Favraeu, Downey Jr and Kevin Feige who organized a Marvel Think tank which included Bendis and Mark Millar to go over the script. and It was Millar's suggestion to save the Mandarin for a sequel and play up Obadiah Stane.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    this is probably a negotiating tactic

    by Rupee88

    they probably want Favreau, but just not for what he wants to be paid. Plus, he doesn't want to rush out a shitty sequel in May 2010 and they do. Most likely, Favreau will blink and re-sign for a whole lot of money but less than he wanted and will just deal with a shitty script like Raimi did. Or they could get Favreau to direct Avengers instead with the longer lead time...that would be a good alternative. And Iron Man was not even that great of a movie...it was pretty darn good and entertaining, but not that amazing. But Favreau didn't write the script and you can't totally blame him for that. He's the mofo who wrote Swingers and he'll always be a genius solely based on that. I hope they do re-hire him. Yes he "deserves" it, but since when it business does it matter what you "deserve"??? Right..never.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    And now.... Uwe Boll

    by kdoc13

    Just kidding folks. But it seems like the kind of thing Marvel would do.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    messi

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    I was being facetious. Of course Avi Arad has done more damage to the Marvel name. But I don't recall Avi Arad pissing all over the director that made his movie a hit a mere month after release, so you'll excuse me for thinking Maisel is a bigger douche, won't you?

  • June 10, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    well, and regarding the contracts...

    by TheSeeker7

    Hasn't it been fairly typical over the last several years now that where a comic book franchise is concerned, at the casting stage of the first film they automatically have the director and first like 2-3 main leads locked up for at least two, if not three films? I believe this was the case for Spiderman, I'm damn near positive it was for Batman Begins. So they *didn't* do this for IM? Or, since this is Marvel, did they maybe want to buck that trend or something. Just find it strange that any of the actors would've already been signed for at least 2 but not the director (if that's true).

  • June 10, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Haha that would be a huge fucking mistake.

    by JKrow21

  • June 10, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    THIS IS BULL SHIT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REWARDED FOR HARD WORK

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    GOD DAMN YOU MARVEL AND DAVID MAISEL.... AND AVI IS ANOTHER FUCKER THAT DIDN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MARVEL.... JESSE FALCON HAD TO TELL HIM WHO IRONMAN WAS OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER FUCK YOU...... DAVID MAISEL, IN LIFE YOU HAVE TO REWARD HARD WORK AND LOVE YOU GOLDEN EGG YOU GREEDY BASTARD

  • June 10, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    TheSeeker7

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    I believe Downey, Paltrow, and Howard are "optioned" for two more films, which means Marvel gets them back but they may need to pay them more. And Favreau was only signed for the one film.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    One hit wonder

    by darth rod

    seems marvel going that way, this is on par with dc levels of stupidity. Avengers is not going to be viable if they are this fucking cheap! I hope Hulk bombs just to humble this exec retard, after a lackluster weekend it´s going to be another story, and this is very possible mainstream audiences remember the lackluster first hulk, the cheap direct to video trailers doesn't help hulk chances of success either.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by slugbat

    You prolly hang with a bunch of leftist d-bags, then. Your circle of friends means fuck-all, though admittedly this is the general consensus. I respectfully disagree with this popular assumption, that Europe hates America. And I believe they are still grateful for WW2, so make my dream come true and set the damn thing in WW2.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    IF KEVIN FEIGE WERE TO ASSASSINATE DAVID MAISEL..

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    Between that and Iron Man, he'd make up for being attached to the F4 movies.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Shit!

    by slugbat

    Didn't mean to get political. Who we chill with means nothing in the scope of things -- that's my whole point.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    MARVEL, Please Don't Fuck Up So Soon.

    by CHEWBLACCA

    Everyone knows that Jon Favreau made IRON MAN what it was. He put everything he had into that movie and will do the same for the sequels. I'm sure that you folks can work this out.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Iron Man: Damn, I had a good one, 2

    by slugbat

  • June 10, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Hollywood is the Jews playground

    by Amadeo Zeller

    Why are you people acting surprised? It's been their tradition to demand maximum effort for minimum pay. Look what Pixar had to go through before Disney replaced what his name with someone who actually values hard work. Why do you think that writers' strike lasted for so long? Their initial demand was just an extra nickel on top of what they were getting, and these moguls fought them tooth and nail by publicly villifying the writers by saying their demands was unreasonable? It's this sort of penny pinching and creative jewish accounting practices that killed the music industry...And if the film industry isn't careful they'll follow suit.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: Not Fe-rtile Ground for Sequel Spam

    by slugbat

  • June 10, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    are you surprised?

    by redfist

    I knew that Marvel would fuck it up...just didnt know it would happen after having 2 hits. I thought that they would really just monkey fuck it up from jump street.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Damn You David Maisel

    by Cletus Van Damme

  • June 10, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    bring Favreau back!

    by kafka07

    Marvel, you bunch of fucking fools, what are you thinking?

  • June 10, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Consider

    by slugbat

    This could be just a rumor. Or just hard-nose business. No reason to give away the store to Favreau jus yet...negotiations are part of business.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    DUMB Move, MARVEL

    by LaserPants

    Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I'm sure they've already put a call in to Ratner.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    DUMB Move, MARVEL

    by LaserPants

    Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I'm sure they've already put a call in to Ratner.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    The bigger they are...

    by Outlaw24

    How does the rest of that go again, Marvel?

  • June 10, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    MARVEL-its all about the $

    by Jobacca

    MARVEL wll ABSOLUTELY go with a cheaper director,rushed script,and an all new cheaper cast to make that Mar 09 start date. Its what happened with X3,its what happened with the new Punisher movie...it will happen again. Look at the amount of money that Bryan Singer generated for FOX with the first two Xmen films. How much did that matter in the long run? X3 was rushed and still made a shit load of money(even from the fanboys who swore it would suck and they'd never see it). Heres how its gonna shake down...Iron Man 2 will be a rushed piece of shit that is mainly used to introduce Thor. No way will Downey come back without Fav(I dont care what his contract says). It will basically be the quality of a Direct to DVD movie. Oh,and no matter what,Norton aint coming back to play the Hulk so they better be working on recasting him as well. Unless Marvel is willing to spend the cash(and they arent) the dream of a combined onscreen Marvel universe is dead. But look on the bright side...maybe Tim Story will make a few more Fantastic Fours!(although they probably wont continue to pay the guy from Nip/Tuck so expect Doom to be recast)

  • June 10, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Just so silly...

    by DanielKurland

    It just blows my mind that studios will not hire the most capable person if it will appear to save them a few dollars, but ultimately ruin the franchise in the end.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I think if you look at X3 objectively, it's not a bad film

    by Cotton McKnight

    Yeah yeah I know the story. We all do. Hell before Singer even left, I remember seeing a poster for X Men 3 and wondering how in the world they were going to make a movie when there isn't even a script yet. Stupid me.<p>But you know what? The movie really isn't bad. If Singer had directed it, it would have been probably lauded. I say that because I did NOT care for the first movie when I saw it- it was just "okay".

  • June 10, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    And after seeing it the other day..

    by Cotton McKnight

    for the first time since it came out, I have to admit I liked it. There were not, to me anyway, any "cringe" moments. The dialogue was fine, the acting was fine, and so was the story. Was it Singer's vision? Probably not. But it is what it is. I think people are more mad at the circumstances behind the film than the film itself.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: It's NOT a Mech Suit!

    by slugbat

  • June 10, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Not a fan of the film, but...

    by Tourist

    ...It did what it set out to do. Which is more than can be said for every single other comic book film of recent times, save Spider Man 2 and Batman Begins. Why fuck with a winning formula? Did they not see the price increases related to each successive Pirates film? That didn't hurt the bottom line at all. Marvel must be setting out to be the Wal Mart of the motion picture industry. Just weight until they announce a factory full of malnourished asian children as the director for Hulk 2.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2: Mobile Suit FUN-Dam!

    by slugbat

  • June 10, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    favreau, surprisingly, did an excellent job

    by reckni

    Thus far, Iron Man is the best film of the year, and Favreau certainly had a big hand in that. Sounds like real bad business to let him go, pretty dumb maneuvering if true. Above all else, I just hope the Iron Man 2 script is good. That's what really matters.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Wait? Is that shit true about R films?

    by Tourist

    Holy fuck. Your telling me the head of a new studio (or sorts) is bringing with him the retarded mentallity of the childrens comic book industry, which obviously sucks? I mean, granted, you wouldn't R rate something if it wasn't condusive to the material, but, what, a fucking PG punisher film?

  • June 10, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Outstanding, Marvel

    by DKT

    Honestly, I'm amazed we got this much good stuff out of you. It only took you about a little more than a month and the release of two movies for your collective egos to start making you out to be jackasses. While you're at it, go ahead and make Spidey 4: Brand New Day.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Its not a debate about the quality of X3

    by Jobacca

    Thats not the point(although I also enjoyed X3 and I do own it). The point is,Bryan Singer MADE that franchise what it was and then he was replaced at the drop of a hat. True,FOX was to blame and we would all hope that Marvel Studios would be smarter,but whos to say they are? With FOX,as with most things,the bottom line is the be all end all. And if Marvel Studios thinks they can make bank on Iron Man 2 without the original crew,you damn well better be prepared for them to do it. After all,as far as the suits are concerned,a crappy movie that sells toys and Whoppers is better than no movie at all....

  • June 10, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    My only problem with X3...

    by Amadeo Zeller

    was the way they handled the Phoenix plotline. The Phoenix saga should've been a movie in and of its' self. Script-wise X3 was nothing more than Whedon's Astonishing Xmen first story arc. He should've sued for royalties and co-screenwriting credit.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Harry's grammar..... ain't good.

    by Seph_J

    "I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise. There is a very very strong chance that unless David Maisel pulls his head out of his ass and work on this deal - you'll see Jon Favreau directing anything but an IRON MAN 2 or an AVENGERS movie." <p> I mean... I teach English to Chinese 12 year olds... so I'm used to deceiphering awful sentences, but Harry mate.... you are not Chinese! Your grammar is awful. At least TRY to convey the meaning of what you want to say!

  • June 10, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Typical Marvel...

    by ebonic_plague

    Remember when people were shit talking the JLA movie? "DC sucks, Marvel's gonna show everyone how it's really done! Avengers will be awesome because they know how to build a superhero universe!" Marvel, like a bizarro version of those Jurassic Park dinosaurs, always finds a way to fuck up a sure thing. By the time Thor rolls out, Dolph with the painted on stubble is going to look good.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Iron Man is overrated. Favreau is expendable.

    by Ash Talon

    Iron Man is a highly overrated movie. It's okay, maybe even pretty good. But it's pedestrian in its direction. RDJ makes it enjoyable. <p> Why doesn't Favreau think 2 years is enough time to make IM2? He needs more than a year in prep time? Why? The story can be hammered out within a few months, and the major set pieces can get moving shortly after. There's plenty of time. So much groudwork has already been laid. It's not like they're starting from scratch. <p> Also, shame on Favreau for not realizing what he was getting into. Iron Man was obviously prepping for franchise treatment. Marvel certainly discussed future plans with him. Instead of bitching to the press, he should be prepping story ideas if he gets to do a sequel.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Not surprised....

    by Nuking the Fridge

    However, I can't really imagine Marvel really fucking this up and NOT hiring back Favreau. They can't be that stupid. A fuck up like this would jeopardize their Avengers Movie. They would get the fan backlash to remember...Marvel can't be that stupid. Right?

  • June 10, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I hope Hulk is a huge hit...

    by Tourist

    ...That when, when the star of their relaunched franchise tells them to suck his dick for pissing him off after he stooped into fix their shitty product up (like Favs on Iron Man) the investors can ask Maisel for a memo.

  • June 10, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Beautiful Editorial Harry

    by krushjudgement

    Here's to hoping Marvel pulls their head out.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    The release date thing is stupid

    by Jobacca

    We all know the strike fucked things up. Why are all the studios now insisting that shit get rushed into production just to fill a hole? So what if we dont have the traditional summer movie season...do they really think Iron Man 2 would tank if it came out in the fall? Hell,Zach Snyder has proved that fanboy films can be released in March...why cant other studios follow suit? I'll go see a good Iron Man movie whenever,but if it smells like crap I'll wait till its on TNT....much like I plan to do with the Thomas Jane free PG-13 Punisher suckfest Marvel has in the works.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    pay attention marvel...

    by stickmangrit

    remember X3? was the whole fucking reason you bought all your properties back up so that you could just pull the same shit we hated the studios for yourselves? look at fucking WB and Batman. they had a director bring a franchise back from the fucking dead, and what did they do? that's right, they gave him whatever the fuck he wanted. and now they not only have two commercial successes under their belt thanks directly to this decision, but are about to release the only movie capable of outshining Iron Man. don't fucking pull a Rothman, PAY THE MAN.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I wish I could get angry at this news...

    by Magunga

    ...but Avi Arad taught me years ago that Marvel cares for its properties only inasmuch as their earning potential is apparent. Marvel Studios is just another money-devouring machine; it has neither a soul nor a heart. There is no such thing as sentimentality in business, and human beings matter less to the executives than the flow of little green pieces of paper.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Favreau is expendable ???

    by Jobacca

    Fuck that sentiment. Favreau and Downey are the ONLY reasons this movie worked. I've been a life long comics fan and I dont think I've ever read a single Iron Man book...hes boring. As a character,hes only interesting when hes drunk or in The Avengers. And the script for the Iron Man movie could not have been more routine. It was the same damn super hero origin movie we've seen a dozen times already. Favreau put a unique spin on the property that made it work,and the cast was brilliant. Just remember kids...at one time,Tom Cruise wanted to produce and star in Iron Man. Think about the horror of that the next time you spout off about Favreau or ANY part of the original Iron Man team being expendable....

  • June 11, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    We (they?) will rue the day!!! RUE IT!!!!

    by The Dum Guy

    We still have some time for this to fan out, hopefully for the best.<br><br>Mayhap the powers at Marvel have JF set to direct the Avengers instead of Iron Man 2... mayhap?

  • June 11, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Favreau is a GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by california_mtz

    I know it's a trite expression, but IN THIS CASE, IT'S TRUE - JON FAVREAU IS A GENIUS!!!! He made Iron Man, he built Iron Man as a potentially HUGE franchise from the ground up. Just give him his fair due, that's all he's asking for!!! If anything, give him MORE than what he's asking for!!!! He deserves it!

  • June 11, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    What the f@#k

    by pezduro

    I'm in my Iron Man t-shirt irate hearing about this crap. Favreau is so Money and Marvel doesn't know it.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    On Favreau

    by epitone

    Now, first of all, let me say that I think Favreau knocked the ball out of the fucking park on IRON MAN and I would love to see him come back and do another installment or five. However, I also know that he's had a legendary ego ever since SWINGERS became a cult hit (even in the lean years when he was mostly doing forgettable character work), and can't even imagine how big his head must have been when he walked into the room to negotiate his deal for the sequel. (Not that there's anything wrong with that -- the rule for creative people in Hollywood is, show no mercy as long as they need you.) Who knows; Favreau could have gone in asking for a Spielberg deal. Full creative control, producer credit, maybe even that elusive R rating. (Seems to me if any superhero movie could benefit from an R, it'd be this one.) The same thing might have happened with Bryan Singer after X2. And studios can't stand it. They'll push back with everything they have, even if they shoot themselves in the foot in the process.<br><br>But the really sad part? It never happens with actors. I'm sure Downey could demand twice the money Favreau's asking for and they'd just shut up and pay him. Because the people holding the money just don't understand how movies are made. That's why they have to pay other people to make them.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    It's time...

    by mr.brownstone

    for Directing Unit 4 to activate.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Yeah,I'm not a Favreau or an Iron Man fanboy...

    by Jobacca

    I just know that Iron Man was a movie that worked it spite of itself. NOBODY thought this film would make this kind of money. Marvels got all the time in the world to do these films right...god knows DC and Warner Bros aint exactly nipping at their heels. I think Marvel fucked up big time by announcing those dates and actually trying to meet them....just let it take as long as it takes. If the movies are good,they'll still make money. I'm kind of curious to see how their new Punisher does...the first one may not have been great,but this one has just looked like crap from day one. If it tanks and tanks big,maybe Marvel will rethink their policies regarding quantity over quality....

  • June 11, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Man, I hope this isn't true.

    by heyscot

    Favs is the reason this whole thing worked. He's so money and the studios don't know it? Say it ain't so! Honestly, the guy is the Iron Man director. No one else can do as good as he can and he's WORTH it. Don't mess this up, Marvel. Bring back Favs. He's the main reason you had such a monster hit on your hands.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Piss Poor Business Decisions can turn the

    by Quin the Eskimo

    good will this movie generated into a backlashing motherfucker. People are going to become cynical, even if the Hulk and Iron Man generate posittive reviews and a ton of cash. <p> Jesus Christ with a hockey stick. <p> If Downey says he won't work with anyone but Favreau, this will END IT, and well get Iron Man 2 as we deserve it.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    As big a tragedy it would be......

    by unuseddraft

    if Favreau didn't get to continue to play in Marvel sandbox, it's nothing compared to the tragedy of Gone.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Downy can END THIS

    by Quin the Eskimo

    and well love him all the more for it.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Sadly, none of this surprises me

    by wackedfuck

    All this news about Favreau not being attached is what really got me worried, but I was already feeling that things would go sour early. I mean really, promising the production of several films when you've barely started your new film studio? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    hope they hire the ratt

    by bacci40

    and kill off marvel once and for all..and then jack will be watching from heaven and laffing his ass off

  • June 11, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    I here there are talks about a Speed

    by Series7

    Racer sequel though. With the W's writing.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    HOW IRONIC- MARVEL FILMS DESTROYED BY A CORPORATE VILLIAN.

    by alice 13

    MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Waiting on Hulk

    by saintaugust

    Maybe Marvel is just waiting to see how Hulk does this weekend before it comes to the table with a new offer for Favreau.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Where are all the "HAPPENING" reviews?

    by BenBraddock

    It's opening in two days time and there is nothing on Rotten Tomatoes, nor here... surely not a good sign.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    betterlookingthanyou...the answer is....

    by bacci40

    yes...it will fail...oh, it may make money, but it will fail in the same way that both ff's, x3, daredevil and the punisher failed...directors and writers working on a deadline and also thinking that they know better than the source material...the only thing favreau changed was the transformation of stark from hawk to dove...it happened much more slowly in the comix...but this is a different time...but here is the reality, the majority of the core geek fans are now all aging...we dont fit the demo...so they are looking at an entire generation of kids who never really read the comics...but play the vid games or have seen the toons on tv...so marvel and the suits think they can do whatever they want with the product...and they may just be right...ff2 was a hit, despite the fact that it was a gigantic pos...whatever, hopefully by 2010 the world will be over and this whole discussion will be moot...come on george, bomb iran already and bring on armageddon

  • June 11, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Dear Marvel

    by hallmitchell

    Look how the Weinsteins are strugglig now. Want to know why? They ripped off the talent. And everyone in hollywood knows it. Do not rip off the talent. They are hard to find Marvel. Don't get smug.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    coupla comments...

    by Traveler 27

    Singer didn't get dumped from X3. He abandoned it because he was offered Superman. He abandoned his child to make a movie about a guy who...abandons his child... And putting the right team together is crucial to making a project gel and work; you don't just replace the director and everything falls into place. what you're saying is that directors in general are expendable, and that their job can be done by anyone, which isn't giving them due credit.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    The deal could be worked out if they mention a multi-films deal

    by chien_sale

    Meaning if Marvel decide to bring Favreau really on board and have him touch various Marvel characters and films then Favreau would become more than "just another director" for them. You pay guys more that you know will give you more.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Does Marvel forget...

    by brattyben

    that Iron Man grossed over 100 mil?? That doesn't happen everyday. I was REALLY excited for Marvel Studios and their upcoming projects. This news about Favreau has me worried. Hopefully RDJ will pull a stunt and say he's not coming back unless Favreau directs.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    IRON MAN 2 -- Directed By Rob Cohen

    by TheSeeker7

    Coming to a theatre near you... just you wait, I'm tellin ya!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Marvel's knife, Marvel's throat. Cut away.

    by Uncapie

    Favereau clearly has his hand on this genre. Marvel clearly has its thumb up its ass. Its like getting rid of set designer Ken Adam after "Dr. No" who created the Bond world look with his work. Just kill the Golden Goose while you're at it, you stupid fuckers. And "X-3" was shit. You don't kill off three major characters("Professor X: perfect casting there," "Cyclops" and "Jean Grey.")if you want to continue the franchise.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Traveler 27...in a sense, he did get dumped

    by bacci40

    as did marsden...fox didnt want to hold off production for singer to do supes...not only that, they wanted to make sure that x3 came out before supes, thats how petty fox became...they hired hack writers to toss together a pos script and when they couldnt find a decent replacement for singer, cuz all the good directors took a look at the shooting schedule and knew the product would be shit...they hired the ratt...and so the trilogy ended with a thud instead of a bang, and basically killed off the possibility of any further xmen films...oh sure, their will be spinoffs...but no xmen...and while favreau is indeed dealing with a bs money issue, he is right about marvel's stupid shooting schedule...marvel has no other scripts in the can, yet they have already anounced shooting dates and release dates...idiots...christ, they dont even do this with the comics they produce...their problem is, they didnt plan anything ahead, cuz it was a wait and see for both iron man and the hulk....now they are stuck, as they have nothing to release in 09...but like i said, right now, ole jack is sitting up in heaven and laffing his ass off

  • June 11, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Can't Imagine Downey Coming Back Without Him

    by bkiddo25

    Robert Downey Jr. will be greatful for Iron-Man the rest of his life. Aside from fully restoring his film career after years of slowly building it back up (Good Night, Good Luck, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, and Zodiac) from everything I've read and heard the Iron-Man shoot was a complete blast for him. He loves the character and loves the people he worked with. Especially Favreau. I simply can't imagine Downey considering returning without the man who helmed his career defining role. I see him being very loyal to Favreau for everything involving Iron-Man and I can see others in the cast and crew following his lead. I would love AICN or another site to try to contact Downey to get his opinion on all this.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Bring in Michael Bay

    by theplant

    I wanna see some heavy stunts and shit, 97% of the movie, who cares about the characters ? Explosions are all that count. Just kidding.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Val Kilmer will take over as Iron Man

    by theplant

    Directed by Joel Schumacher instant box office hit !

  • June 11, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    MARVEL, I hope you're paying attention

    by Trancer

    We are the fans. You'd do yourself a favor to listen to us. If you want successes like you've had with "Iron Man," don't start turning into studio weasels. Pay Favreau what he's worth, and you'll be well rewarded. If you decide to penny-pinch and get a half-assed director, your going to get a half-assed movie that won't make nearly as much money. Think about the *actual* bottom-line, not just about the cost to get a director that can actually deliver. "Lowest bidder" isn't the strategy to follow if you want the quality that will make you the kind of money that will make your stock go up.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:45 a.m. CST

    RDJ and Favreau

    by Crestfallen

    I bet Downey doesn't return if Favreau.<p>Marvel has demonstrated remarkable ambition with their announced three-year slate of intertwined films, essentially a cinematic universe. The brazen plan initially suggested balls and a dedication to realizing the marvel universe on film. However, this rumor indicates, rather, a drive to pure capitalization. Money. <p> On Howard Stern Favreau revealed that he made <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/57smly">4 million for the two years making <em>Iron Man</em></A>. Given the 150+ budget and the profit that will be in the 100 millions, and the even better returns for <em>Iron Man 2</em>, doubling his salary would be of little consequence to the studio.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Here's the link:

    by Crestfallen

    http://tinyurl.com/57smly

  • June 11, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Kevin Smith syndrome?

    by zacdilone

    You're talking about the wrong malady. The "Kevin Smith" syndrome is when a complete hack who can't write dialogue worth shit and couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag still manages to earn the love and respect of geeks for throwing in the occasional Star Wars reference in his film and showing up to call them faggots in online talkbacks.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Brett Ratner set to replace Jon Favreau!

    by James Ford Coppola

    You just wait and see, bitches

  • June 11, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    This story has blown up online...

    by robzass

    ...so it's obvious Marvel has heard the outrage. It'll probably get fixed now. You're welcome Favreau.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    DAVID MAISEL IS THE NEW TOM ROTHMAN

    by James Ford Coppola

    I predict another classic open letter from Vern in the near future

  • June 11, 2008, 2:16 a.m. CST

    so if I'm getting this right

    by Maniaq

    Favreau can do IM2 or Avengers - but not both? Well, at the risk of going against the grain on this one, I'd have to say I'd rather see him pick Avengers over IM2 - if he HAD TO. <p> I just don't think having the same director for the sequel NECESSARILY guarantees you success with that sequel. <p> Don't get me wrong. I'm a HUGE fan of Favreau and thoroughly enjoyed ALL of his films - even the kids ones like Zathura, which could have easily come off as a cheap Jumanji clone. I'd LOVE to see him do both. <p> But if he can't, then I'd rather he tackle Avengers, quite frankly. <p> Actually, I'm still hoping for John Carter of Mars!

  • June 11, 2008, 2:18 a.m. CST

    An OMD/BND style fuck up...

    by James Westfall

    ... first they fuck up the Spider-Man comic, then they fuck up the Iron Man and Avengers movies. Wish I could say I was surprised.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:38 a.m. CST

    An OMD/BND style fuck up?

    by Ben_Gazzara

    I've got "Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark" for the first one, but I'm still stumped on BND.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Does David Maisel have the obligatory hollyweird cocaine habit..

    by wowsah156

    Because thats the only reason i can come out with to think of how stupid this penny pinching attitude to Favreau is. Maisel could undo all the good work even before Marvel get a chance to do more good movies. He either gives Favreau the money he needs or the company board remove Maisel pronto.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    You've gotta be kidding..

    by Icht Buff

  • June 11, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    You've gotta be kidding...

    by Icht Buff

    I won't see any Iron Man that Favreau isn't a part of. Hands down.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Farvreau was the reason the movie rocked! I won't see an Iron M

    by -=Shin=-

    John made one of the coolest movies I've seen in years. Marvel's been making all kinds of bad decisions to counter-act their successes, I hope this doesn't turn into one of those.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    MOTHERFUCKERS!!

    by ckone

    How stupid can they be? Do they grow these executives straight out of assess? Why the hell would they not have already greenlit the sequel wit Favreau in the directors chair??? it is completely assinine and will spell the down fall of what could be an amazing amazing time for Superhero films and us fans in general. I can't believe that R D J would be in another one unless Favreau was the director , so that would completely just fuck the whole thing....C'mon Marvel don't fuck this up...

  • June 11, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    I'm an Englishman in Vancouver.

    by the9points

    Today a stranger who asked me to roll him a cigarette at a bus stop said he thought the English could deliver the word 'cunt' better than anyone else on the planet. <p> Please, consider that opinion when I request - <p> Do not fuck this up, you utter cunt. That man made you, your studio and holds your future success.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Downey made it a success. Not Favreau.

    by SpencerTrilby

    Of course, Favreau insisted to hire RDJ, but it doesn't matter anymore. I'll wait for the reboot as far as I'm concerned. Favreau's sophomoric humor, boring action and lame character development was painful enough the first time around.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    -

    by the9points

    Not fucking cool.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Shane Black for IM2

    by David Cloverfield

    He's done great work with Downey on Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Imagine what an fucking insane movie that would be.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Maybe wishful thinking but...

    by LUZER

    ...I think they'll work it out. I mean come on, RDJ and him were hand in hand for the whole press tour. Probably just trying to play hardball with $, but it'll work itself out.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    That is...

    by ReZourceman

    So fucking lame.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    They HAVE to bring Fav back...

    by cineninja

    ...because he was a genius in casting himself as 'Happy Hogan' thereby insuring they have to bring him back or risk having to recast the character....yes, friends...Happy Hogan...there can be no Iron Man 2 without Happy Hogan...destined for greatness as the Green Guardsman...genius...pure genius..... No, not you Maisel...youre a fucking retard

  • June 11, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    -

    by the9points

    The outlook was so bright. <p> Maybe we'll remember May/June 08 as the time we had a Cinematic Marvel Universe ahead of us - controlled by people we liked and trusted with the project. <p> Maybe we'll forget how it really was when caught up in our extreme critisism of whatever may follow. <p> I'm sorry - there's no need for the drama. <p> Take the man and four of his buddies to Vegas. <p> Get drunk and marry a hooker; Use the shower curtain to get the body to the van; Go for a steak breakfast before flying out. <p> Ask him how he'd ideally schedule these movies - all the movies. Dont push him out. Bring him in a little further into the circle. <p> He may just be the key. <p> Surely you're a geek in there somewhere. He's the key? No? <p> Cunt.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 will end up "directed"(fucked up) by Ratner

    by James Ford Coppola

    RDJ probably won't be in it without Favreau directing, Norton won't be in the next Hulk, all because of some stupid David Maisel motherfucker who can't get his head out of his ass. Gotta love those Hollywood exec assclowns for fucking up our all our favourite movies

  • June 11, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but nobody can't blame Ratner

    by Amadeo Zeller

    on the artistic failing/shortcomings of X3. The sole responsibility on that falls on Fox/Rothman...Given the timeframe they wanted done, it left noone with any true integrity to produce a quality picture. They initially approached Joss Whedon to direct it, but he declinded after the Fox postpone production for a year, so he could polish the script. Ratner did what he was hired to do: "BE THE DUTIFUL HIRED GUN" and shoot the film within the pre-designated timeframe...That being said, - It could've been worse.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Ooops!

    by Amadeo Zeller

    *after Fox wouldn't postpone production for a year*

  • June 11, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Nobody expected Ironman to do as well as it did

    by emeraldboy

    Ironman was I think going to be a one off. so, when it broke those records. Marvel rushed to do a sequel. Favs isnt a sequels guy. Burton remember now says that Warners bullied him into doing batman returns. He wanted to make and made batman. Then wanted to do other things. But WB pressured burton into making Batman returns. Great opening. Lousy film.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    and one more thing...

    by emeraldboy

    Ironman was a script that had been kncoking around hollywood. This was after all a film that had cruise attached to it. getting downey was masterstroke. Whatever happens. The sequel will be knocked to pieces by the talkbackers from the day the cast is announced and the director and writer too. Remember Iron man had 4 writers.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Slugbat

    by Lost Jarv

    kiss my British arse. "Still grateful for World War 2" indeed.<P>Messi is also wrong, although rampant jingoism is faintly embarrasing to us, we are smart enough to distinguish between well established "captain America" and nauseating "Captain George W and his quest for mid-east oil"

  • June 11, 2008, 3:57 a.m. CST

    and Ban Amadeo Zeller

    by Lost Jarv

    most offensive post I've seen in ages. Could he be the unwelcome return of zfisk?

  • June 11, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Really Harry? You're gonna blame Ratner?

    by Shermdawg

    Rothman and Berry are the reason X3 failed. Not Brett.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Don't Care About Favreau

    by grievenom

    Bring him back or don't. Iron Man was alright. I wouldn't miss him if they don't bring back Favreau and bring in a fresh director.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Favs will make a good Iron Man 2 movie

    by BobPalpatine

    But I don't think he will make a great one. In terms of visual style, the man is pretty pedestrian: his visuals never have the pop and sizzle that is especially germane to super hero movies. With that said, if Marvel is trying to go cheap on someone like Favs, the won't spend the money on anyone better. Favs is as good as we get, and a good super hero movie is better than a bad one.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Funny that when Marvel became a studio...

    by Steve Rogers

    ...we didn't forsee that it would start *acting* like a studio - in other words, like total fucking douchebags.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:16 a.m. CST

    HIRE UWE BOLL!!!

    by hellboy1979

    He's fantastic. meh.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    What about Faverau's lack of action direction?

    by Lemming

    I'm sure I heard people complain that he can't really direct action, and now that the origin stuff is out of the way, surely the sequel will be more action than anything else?

  • June 11, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    There is no way Iron Man 2 will not have Favs

    by RickSheridanDreamz

    ... please let there be a god. MAISEL I WILL HATE YOU FOREVER IF YOU DON'T GET FAVREAU BACK!!!!!!!!!!! (not that my hate will matter much to you... but I think the cumulative distaste for your douchebag-ness would be enough to get you to DO THE RIGHT THING) shit... i shouldn't even be having to type these words... why is this not common fucking sense?

  • June 11, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST

    What Favreau didn't bring to the movie

    by elab49

    Was the ability to sustain a pretty good half hour for the full running time. Bad guy was awful, Pepper Pots stuff was bad. Downey Jr in Afghanistan - great fun. Steped off the plane the thing fell to pieces. It isn't as if Favreau is some god-like director with a great track record!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Cheap Fuckers

    by Yeti

    Give me gas.

  • June 11, 2008, 5:39 a.m. CST

    It's always the evil studio...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ..and the poor director. But unless the director's demands are known to the public, who the hell can say who's right? What does he want, or, rather, how much does he want, hmmm? Remember Jackson and the first time his whining was made public, but the amounts he wanted were not? "Aw, poor guy, exploited by the evil studio!" And then it turned out that "all" he wanted from New Line was half of Bill Gates's money, and the greedy bastards for some reason wouldn't give it to him. Awww!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Marvel wanted to get ironman out of system

    by emeraldboy

    The script or the project had been around for years. I think marvel saw it as a once off. Downey jnr, favs and platrow and bridges gave the movie something. Favs can direct actors. That scene with bridges and downey jnr, near the end of the movie, was terrific. really dark and menacing. Problem with the movie was the Afghanistan segment. The action stuff was great. It was as if paramount decided that whole war on terror was BO posion. so it was put on the back burner for the rest of the movie. and never mentioned again. apart from that and the indecent rush to get the suit on. Ironman was absolute blast.

  • June 11, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    IF FAVS IS NOT DIRECTING THEN I AIN'T WATCHING!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you want my $11 or not, Maisal? HUH??!?!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:53 a.m. CST

    EVIL BASTARD

    by BringingSexyBack

    Fucking cockcucker bastard!!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:54 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOUR MOTHER MAISAL!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Bitch should have had an abortion!!!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST

    there is a very true saying....

    by emeraldboy

    Your only as good as your last film...

  • June 11, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    THERE'S ANOTHER TRUE SAYING ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    David Maisal is a turd eating tranny who loves ass to mouth.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST

    A new low in nonsensical language?

    by Laserhead

    "I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise." What the fuck does that statement mean?

  • June 11, 2008, 6:14 a.m. CST

    David Maisel...

    by 11dayempire

    ...if you don't give Jon Favreau *whatever he fucking wants* to do Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, you are a cunt. End of.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    THAT STATEMENT MEANS

    by BringingSexyBack

    No Child Left Behind ain't working.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    DAVID MAISAL IS A CUNT ANYWAY

    by BringingSexyBack

    a shit eating tranny cunt. (No offense meant for any trannies here.)

  • June 11, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    FAVREAU SHOULD DO LIKE TONYA HARDING ON DAVID MAISAL

    by BringingSexyBack

    So he can't skate no more.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    DAVID MAISAL MUST WORK FOR SATAN

    by BringingSexyBack

    because why else would you fuck over a guy who brought so much joy to humanity in these dire times? Only Satan would do that.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    Its not that fucking serious...

    by Mr. Profit

    He did a good job. Great job? No. The cast did all the heavy lifting. Only a wasteful or inexperienced director can spend 180 million and come up with "Iron Man". Still don't see how it cost so damn much? Either way, as long as the cast is intact who cares? There are other directors out there that can capably direct action films.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I GOT 2 WORDS, 5 SYLLABLES FOR DAVID MAISAL

    by BringingSexyBack

    Gitmo. Waterboard.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    I think you're all brainless

    by BendersShinyAss

    Look, Marvel is putting these films together. If it has plans for Iron man, then guess what, it got it all up and running in the first place without your input. <p> sure I agree that Fav made a great film, but i also believe that it wasn't his. it was The screenwriters that layed it out, it was ILM that dazzled us with visuals, it was the cinematographer who gave it it's cinematic look, and it was the editor that held us in with great cuts. not to mention the outragously cool score, which was NOT written by Hans Zimmer as so many here believe. <p> Lets take spiderman - Raimi screwed the pooch big time and lets say that franchise had a new director each film then we may have gotten a fresh new flick each time. <p> it doesn't matter how many think Singer being dropped from xmen was a bad idea, Singer wasn't making good xmen films. he started a great thing, but those films didn't get any semblence of excitment til Ratner came along and THAT'S the general consensus - screw Xmen 2 and superman returns. those films are dull lifeless and FORGOTTEN. <p> If marvel wants an iron man 2 in production next year and Fav is saying "sorry, i can't do it, give me more money" then guess what, he's not the boss." He's also not the only person who knows how to make a film. <p> just because he amde a kickarse first outing doesn't mean he'll strike it twice. I use Time burton on batman, Shumacher on batman and robin, Raimi on spidey 3 and spielberg on indy 4 as examples... <p> seriously, get over yourselves and let this thing run it's course as the observers you are. <p> petitions??? you have no idea what Fav said that might have pissed off marvel. and believe me, he must have done something for them to even consider dropping him after the success of iron man. maybe he wanted more military parties with 80's disco flare?

  • June 11, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    slugbat

    by messi

    It's nothing to do with my beliefs or anything. It's to do with face value assumptions. In the UK and Australia they say things like 'fucking yanks' or 'american bullshit' in regards to highly american things. Stuff like Independance day, the whole of the uk and australia rolling their eyes at the patriotic bits in spidey 1 and the big flag in spidey 3. stuff like that. They don't know how Cap really is. I love cap, but most australians and brits will think "ha as if i'll see this bullshit(or shite if you're in the uk)". This is just how they think. It's the title alone. That's why if you introduce Cap through Avengers, people will see he is an aweosme character and not a jingoitsic Usa usa usa type character and they'll say 'hey he is cool and not about bullshit america, i will see the captain america movie'.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    are you idiots so fucking stupid to not get what i'm talking about. People will assume what Captain America is, typical jerry bruckheimer salute, flag raising bullshit. i know it's not. but most brits and australians will think that, mention captain america and they will snicker thinking he's a usa type character rather than a hero standing for the american dream. it's assumption and that's why a cap movie released before avengers will fail heavily overseas.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:32 a.m. CST

    THE SALKINDS DID THE SAME THING TO RICHARD DONNER

    by BringingSexyBack

    and look what happened. Old man who keeps talking on the phone while cars are flying past him. Fucking Maisal.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Iron Man: War Machine in 2010?

    by alexpaknadel

    Couldn't they make a rushed War Machine spinoff for 2010? That way, Favreau gets to do his thing for 2011, Terrence Howard gets a top billing and the franchise is kept alive in the interim. Get RDJ in for a few scenes while principal photography for 'Iron Man 2' is up and running, get Favreau's blessing on the script so it doesn't clash with his own ideas and... Everybody wins!

  • the dumb cunt doesn't want to make R films because PG-13 films make more money, granted, that's fine for the majority of their properties, but if they got back Punisher they would rather not do it at all or license it to a studio. it's just that mentallity that bugs me. MONEY MONEY MONEY. How about MONEY MONEY ART.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:35 a.m. CST

    ri-fucking-diculous

    by just pillow talk

    And since I loved the first Iron Man, I'm not liking the potential of not having Jon direct the sequel. I'd just assume keep the whole 'team' together for the sequel.<p>Um Bender, not sure if I want to ask, but what excitement did Ratner bring to X3? I'm not going to blame him for the way X3 turned out fully, but what did he bring exactly?<p>And I'll just let you know that I think Iron Man blew away all the X-men films, which I like.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    THe more things change

    by hallmitchell

    The more things stay the same. You ripped off Marv Wolfman, Stan Lee and King Kirby. UP YOUrs Marvel. You had a great vibe happening. YOu are upsetting the fans. Don't do it.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:45 a.m. CST

    DatoMan413 people are syaing "batman who?" huh? haha

    by messi

    yeah man. as if the anticipation for The Dark Knight was suddenly killed by Iron man. you fucking idiot. It's the most anticipated movie of the year, people are whacking off daily waiting for this epic crime drama, Iron man was a little snack before the main meal. Fucking idiot.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    slugbat

    by saddael

    first off, most reasonably intelligent people in europe are fairly anti america, and more speciffically anti american, precisely because of comments like us being grateful for america's selfless(this bit is sarcasm by the way) and heroic knight in shining armour role during ww2. you only properly intervened when you were attacked and realised you couldn't just sit it out like you wanted to. people like you, slugbat, are the reason people do not like americans, and yer goverenment is the reason people do not like america. fact.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    I am Batman shut the fuck up

    by messi

    it's because no one has had the balls to make a decent series of films. but done right you got your batman franchise post part 2, a series of green lantern films and a series of x-men films. by the way a cloth suited batman would be fucking stupid you retarded fuck.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Messi,

    by Lost Jarv

    unlike you, I'm British- I live in London and know lots of British people, all of whom know what Captain America is about. <P>Will you stop being such a drooling fanboy cunt now?

  • June 11, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST

    the point

    by saddael

    is the view that a lot of americans of themselves is grossly wrong, but they still foist it on everyone else

  • June 11, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Boycott Marvel!

    by waites

    If this story had broken sooner we could have hurt them in their wallets! picket the Hulk! don't go in! what a cheap bastard he is! well Marvel had a chance to have a great franchise. They will ruin it without Favreau. Piss on Marvel.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    and don't fucking tell me what/ how to think

    by Lost Jarv

    you revolting little Argentian tit. <P>Independance Day was a massive hit here, and although we smugly deride American patriotism it doesn't put people off seeing films. <P>Fucking idiot

  • June 11, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    messi

    by just pillow talk

    Why so angry?

  • June 11, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Australians deliver Cunt the best

    by messi

    better than the scottish, better than the english. americans. pfft don't even try.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    SpencerTrilby

    by messi

    suck a dick you monster cunt.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    USA USA!

  • June 11, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Saddael

    by alexpaknadel

    I'm a Londoner and I'm not anti-American in the slightest. I'm also a liberal, but that doesn't mean the center doesn't come out with some bullshit all of its own. Look at European policies on American interventionism; when they DON'T intervene in global conflicts, they're accused of isolationism. When they DO, they're accused of imperialism. People hate America because they're jealous. That's not to say Bush isn't a mouth-breathing illiterate, but he doesn't speak for the country at large. Voter apathy, a rigged system and widespread corruption are the only reason Cletus the Slack-jawed Yokel is in charge. Don't be anti-American. America's fine, its their administration that's compromised.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Actually the pre favreau scripts were awful

    by messi

    it was favreau who spearheaded it by sticking closer to the comic, it was him who wanted the suit to look like the comic, every designer was trying to be too different and he said "if it ain't broke don't fix it", pretty much what should have happened on transformers. The pre favreau scripts skewed way too far from the comics. So Favreau did a lot.

  • June 11, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    No they don't

    by Lost Jarv

    The scots do. They're the best at profanity. <P>You're such a fucking nob.

  • June 11, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Furthermore...

    by alexpaknadel

    Bush is a classic Democrat, believe it or not. The Republican ethos is to decentralise government and devolve power to the states. Bush has intervened in state policies on homosexual marriage and also amended the law so he can exert control over the state's national guard. In effect, one state's national guard can now be used by federal government against another if they start getting uppity. Bush is NOT a Republican. The GOP ended slavery, for Christ's sake! They're not the boogeyman.

  • June 11, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    Saddael

    by Lost Jarv

    oh do fuck off. <P>Child

  • June 11, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    JackPumpkinhead you dumb cunt

    by messi

    Jackson wanted what was rightfully his. are you that fucking idiotic to be the type of person who would say "ok I made 150 million dollars but you still owe me 50 million, not to worry, 150 is good enough, regardless if you legally owe me that money" god you are a fucking DUMB cunt. and what pissed off alot of people was robert shaye saying how he should be appreciative of the fact he got the 150 mil but so what, he is owed 50 mil or so. you fucking idiot. guess who won't ever be rich. yes you, you cock fuck.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:06 a.m. CST

    The common perception of America/ Americans

    by Lost Jarv

    is that they are fat, stupid rednecks. It helps us maintain our false sense of superiority. <P>I like America, and am married to an American, but she gets no end of shit on account of Bush. <P>Having said that- this will not stop us from seeing films such as Independance Day or GI Joe.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST

    just pillow talk

    by BendersShinyAss

    Firstly, that opening scene with young picard and gandelf, with the actrss playing her own mother.... that was inspired! and should be a geek wetdream <p> Magneto actually had some balls as a villain, using his powers to lash out and kill. <p> the non stop action! it just kept going, and it was awesome <p> The visual effects, it's rare that these sorts of films hold visuals that give tingles. the golden gate bridge scene was exciting & visually spectacula!! <p> the development of magnetos hieracy. the introduction of new bad guys who just hid in the background and did their thing when and as needed. <p> I even thought the phoenix plot was great! <p> the matching of Xmen powers at the end, where they were really pitted against each other, proving wolverine above all is the ultimate xman. That was great and unexpected! <p> the way magneto went from all powerful to frail old man... and then the satisfaction in his eyes with the relization his powers were coming back. <p> the betrayal of the blue chick, and her revenge!! <p> the movie was tight. I fucking loved it, and ill forever doubt harry for his hatred towards it. I almost didn't see it. <p> X3 is not the abomination everyone here seems to believe it is. And in talking to people in reality, not on-line, ive discovered that X3 is much better recieved than X2. C'mon, X2 was trash. Just like the climactic scene of X1 and all scenes in superman returns.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by messi

    first off, lets not take you seriously since you know fuck all about moviemaking, you've been called on it before and it's been hilarious. if you had any intelligence, which you don't, you'd realize that everything you mentioned about Iron Man was because of Favreau. Sure the screenwriters wrote the film but Favreau hired them and he layed it out with them and even then it was Favreau and Kevin Feige who organized a thinktank involving Brian Michael Bendis, Mark Millar, Tom Brevroot and others to go over the script, to find the best balance between the comic book and the film. It was Favreau who lead the visual CGI look, ILM just does the labour(i can't believe you even mentioned this, this was a very retarded thing to say, it's like saying ohh "it was ILM who did the effects in Star Wars", even though Lucas was the one who designed the shots". The cinematography wasn't chosen by Matthew Libatique, but Favreau, he wanted it to feel like a Robert Altman film and if you had any intelligence you'd see why this was true, since Matthew Libatique's films don't really look like Iron Man. <p> please shut the fuck up. you fucking dumb cockfucker. You are one of the dumbest posters on this site.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Favreau, Iron Man, Downey Jr

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Iron Man's a pretty average film. Without Downey it would be totally forgettable. I'ver already forgotten most of what happens in it to be honest. It's not like it's a great piece of filmmaking. Of course Marvel should be loyal and give some respect (and money) to Favreau but it's not as if Favreau is a great director. IMO Iron Man was a big hit because it was the first big summer movie out of the gate, not because it was a great film.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    SADLY

    by saddael

    i've known 6 americans in the uk well, and four of them were utter morons, the other two were fairly moronic but not completely bad people,,just a bit hopeless. i got to know many americans less well whilst travelling, and compared to any other nationalities they were vastly more stupid,clueless about the wider world and arrogant to a grotesque degree. most of them would fit in on the apprentice. just my experience i know, but it collates with pretty much everyone else i know, even one of my friends who lives in nyc, and another who spent a year at penn(?) state

  • June 11, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Hey messi

    by alexpaknadel

    Is Libatique Darren Aronofsky's usual DP? The name rings a bell. If so, 'Requiem for a Dream' alone was a triumph for his cinematography and the editor.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    you're one of the dumbest londoners i've encountered. I know lots of brits too, and we aren't talking about your friends, we are talking general population who will say "captain america, fuck off" turned off by the title alone. this is truth, alot of other blogs are mentioning how it will make fuck all money if done before an avengers movie. You are a fucking idiot. and probably support chelsea.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Bender-

    by Lost Jarv

    X3 is shit, but it wasn't the abomination Harry made out. Almost every point you have made can actually be used in the negative column.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    messi and lost jarv

    by kwisatzhaderach

    you guys are cracking me up

  • June 11, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    ohh shut the fuck up you english cunt. independance day made a shit load of money but it wans't called 'captain america', how can you be so fucking stupid to not see how a general audience will react to such a film, you think they will go see it when they are near the ticket booth. by the way we are better than you shite cunts at football.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST

    It's Done

    by Wandering_Prophet

    Seriously when is the last time we've heard news like this turn around for the better. X-Men 3, that's all I'm gonna say.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    yes they do, you just haven't met a western suburbs melbournian or sydneysider. because you're an ignorant cunt.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Saddael

    by alexpaknadel

    Come on man, seriously... you're taking 6 people as a representative cross section of a country of 275 million? Somewhere a statistician is having a nightmare about this very discussion. 90% of the most recognizable 20th Century culture and art emanates from the United States. Yes it's a young country, yes it's got all kinds of problems with religious influence in politics, excessive jingoism, racial intolerance, etc... but I guarantee 130 million of those 275 million are well educated, literate people who are just as frustrated at current events as you are, if not more so because they have to live with dwindling civil liberties and paranoia.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    kiwis

    by saddael

    are the best at saying cunt. fact.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    alexpaknadel

    by messi

    yeah he is aranofsky's regular DP.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:18 a.m. CST

    You are such a fucking cunt

    by Lost Jarv

    Listen up, cocksucker. I'm not the one sounding off about knowing the opinion of every one of the 60m people that inhabit this island. You have been corrected numerous times on here by ACTUAL BRITISH PEOPLE and are still arrogantly bleating on about what the whole population thinks. Fuck off and stop speaking for us. <P>You pestilent little Argentian fanboy tit. Now go and fuck yourself, repeatedly and without lube. <P>And for the record, I'm deeply ashamed of the football team I support, but as I support the team from where I was born and grew up I'm stuck with them. And I hate all the big 4. <P>You, on the other hand, are a nauseating little gloryhunting twat that probably supports Barcelona because the player you've laughably named yourself after that you are proud of looking like (as if, and he looks like Snape's uglier brother anyway), and will change to whoever as soon as he moves. Cunt.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    kiwis can't even say chips properly

    by messi

    let alone cunt. the best delivery of cunt are either australian blue collar workers who use it in their everyday vocabulary "just grab the cunt"(reffering to just grab the beer) or the western/northen melbourne and sydney suburbs lebonese/italian/greeks "dis kahnt"

  • June 11, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Messi

    by alexpaknadel

  • June 11, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    by saddael

    yeah i know that statistically its impossible to say how many divs live in america. i just go off my own experience, and that of my family and friends. although i do have some american relatives....

  • June 11, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I've not met a

    by Lost Jarv

    western suburbs melbournian or sydneysider? I LIVE IN LONDON. WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY DO YOU THINK EVERY FUCKING BARMAN IS FROM? <P>You ignorant little tit. And I'd say you clearly haven't met a Glaswegian.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Messi

    by alexpaknadel

    Thanks. Thought so. Oh, and I'm a Londoner and I support France's best football team... Arsenal.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss

    by just pillow talk

    Here's my problems with X3:<p>Cyclops absolutely wasted and killed off for no reason. None.<p>The phoenix plot was weak. That should have been the major point of the movie.<p>The visual effects were pretty weak, especially during the last battle when it suddenly changed from day to night. The wire-work was pretty bad, as was the fight in general.<p>Juggernaught - did not like this version, and hated that Juggernaught bitch line. Yeesh... <p>What I did like in X3: when Jean wipes out Xavier and Wolvie in the forest going semi-beserk and taking out a few random backguys.<p>However, X2 has the great nightcrawler opening and the mansion invasion with Wolvie taking out a bunch of guys. <p>And Magneto escaping from his cell in X2 was better than anything he did in X3.<p>And people at my work who've seen the X-men films did not like X3. Hell, my wife didn't like the third one either.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by messi

    i never meant that i look like messi, nor would i be proud of it, i was just saying that it was closer to that than the fat comic book geek the other dud envisioned. and i support real madrid, since i was 9 years old. so being with an american may skew this perception that alot of brits won't say 'american shite'.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    lostjarv

    by saddael

    my god, you're not a ....charlton fan are you?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    And yes we are shit at football. I can live with this.

    by Lost Jarv

    But you'll never get the falklands back. <p>Peasant.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    I said that because I was saying they say cunt better you fucking idiot, if you had then you wouldn't say the scottish are better. silly argument but you'd stupid.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST

    oh no. They're much worse than that

    by Lost Jarv

    Charlton look like Brazil of 1970 compared to the useless tossers I'm stuck with.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    saddael

    by just pillow talk

    Please stop making sweeping generalizations about one country.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    "silly argument but you'd stupid."

    by Lost Jarv

    Exactly. <P>"We used to Smarter."

  • June 11, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    so what, we got the 86 world cup, you can keep your falklands.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    now i'm intrigued. as a mackem i've had my share of problems, are you maybe crstal palace? cause i hates me a crystal palace

  • June 11, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by messi

    you realize that was on purpose. cock.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:26 a.m. CST

    pillow talk

    by saddael

    sorry imeant it to be more sweeping generalisations about americans i've met!

  • June 11, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I just watched Zathura for the first time...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...a few nights ago, and for a kid's film, it was pretty damn good. You can also see many elements of his particular style which were again used in Iron Man. <p> I'm guessing it all comes down to power in this case. Marvel is attempting something different, where they hold all the chips and everyone else is several ranks below them with no means for advancing up those ranks. Seems like they wanted to cut Favreau's legs out from underneath him before he got too big and became a giant to be dealt with. <p> While it may help Marvel keep their power, it remains to be seen if their franchise will suffer. Considering the quality of IronMan, I would say that any other director would be a step down. I'm not a comic book reader though, so ultimately, I don't give two shits either way...but I do think Favreau is getting screwed royally.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Of course it was.

    by Lost Jarv

    Genius. Like all your other mistakes. <P>I'm not originally from London and I'm lumbered with a group of twats that are so bad that if they were playing in the fucking garden, then I'd draw the curtains.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    stop teasing me!yer not a mag are you? bolton?(gasp)derby?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Bad idea

    by Abominable Snowcone

    especially if Robert Downey Jr. and Favreau got along well. <p> Hey, warciples, what's going on?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    I don't think David Maisel wants Favreau cheap...

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    He just doesn't want Favreau. I was the first one on this Talkback to be candid about Iron Man's distinct averageness, Favreau's non-essentialness, and RDJ being the selling point. And it seems I'm not alone. A major let-down of IM was the "actor's-director-attempts-action" feel to the action scenes. Maisel exec produced The Incredible Hulk, vetoing Norton's Ang Lee-like cut which would have negatively affected Box Office, favouring a "Hulk Smash!" approach which the audience now wants from a Hulk movie. He's giving the public what they want (and the fans). In IM2, Iron Man's rogue gallery will expand to the likes of Fin Fang Foom because the audience want a big fucking action extravaganza sequel which delivers on the BIG FUCKING ACTION EXTRAVAGANZA part...and no matter how much those who followed, supported, and were rewarded by Favreau's passion from beginning to end on Iron Man lie to themselves, he is not going to give them that. Sparky comic banter does not an indisputably awesome superhero film make. I'll go out on a limb here and say that David Maisel is the true Marvel visionary - the sacrificial lamb to online fanboy vitriol who, when Avengers comes out, will be heralded as the Martyr of Marveldom. I leave you with the following Maisel quote from the aptly-titled filmmaking.com: "We're [planning to release 10 self-financed films in the next five years] in as smart a way as has been done in this town. These films are so important, we're giving them all the care and nurturing we can."

  • June 11, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Favreau sold me on IRON MAN

    by psykomyko

    He was at the comic cons, doing what no studio shill or big-name star-in-a-bubble could do: make me believe in the movie, and in Marvel Studios. But if Favreau's gone, then it proves that Marvel is no different than any other crappy studio in how they disrespect Marvel creations and creators...

  • June 11, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    nope, none of those.

    by Lost Jarv

  • June 11, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Least I'm not a glory hunting Argentian fucknut

    by Lost Jarv

    Hmm, I wonder why he picked Real Madrid? I'm only surprised it wasn't ManU. Mind you, English teams were banned in Europe in the 80's so it probably never occured to him.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    morning Abom

    by just pillow talk

    I've already castrated a shitheel this morning with a banana peel and a paper clip.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    You Euros

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    (or at least some of you) need to remember that your aggressive empire building ways were not that long ago and are the cause of much of the world's troubles. I'm not saying there wouldn't be problems otherwise, but the current ones are the result of "you lot". That includes the US, which you started with your typical panache. Look down on the US, etc all you want, but we're just the chickens coming home to roost.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    This is what Favs posted on his MySpace page two days ago

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    "It's been five weeks since the one and only phone call my reps have gotten from Marvel. I know their hands are full with the Hulk and I'm sure they will get into it shortly, as they tell me they intend to. I ran into the Marvel guys at the Hulk premiere and everyone sounded eager to get to work on IM2. I am concerned, however, about the announced release date of April 2010. Neither Robert [Downey, Jr] nor I were consulted about this and we are both concerned about how realistic the date is in light of the fact that we have no script, story or even writers hired yet.<p> This genre of movie is best when it is done thoughtfully and with plenty of preparation. It might be better to follow the BB/DK, X/X2 three year release pattern than to scramble for a date. It is difficult because there are no Marvel 09 releases and they need product, but I also think we owe it to the fans to have a great version of IM2 and, at this point, we would have less time to make it than the first one."

  • June 11, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    We know that,

    by Lost Jarv

    We're always being battered for the Empire.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Morning Abom

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm having a shitheel-tastic type day. Have you met drooling fanboy nerd Messi?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    thunderbolt ross

    by saddael

    what do you mean? we were sharing civilisation with the rest of the world. it was very generous and civic minded of us. do you not see?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by alexpaknadel

    Too true. Perhaps rightly. The current political and geographical borders of Iraq are British inventions. Mesopotamia didn't resemble this country in the slightest. "The British Empire is the Empire on which the sun never sets, because God doesn't trust the English in the dark."

  • June 11, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    okay, leisceter? blackpool?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    hah!

    by Lost Jarv

    yes, damned ungrateful of them not to appreciate it. <P>That's just not cricket. <P>*strokes moustache and adjusts monocle*

  • June 11, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian

    by just pillow talk

    Well, Jon certainly wrote what every fan would want to hear.<p> I hope that Marvel moves forward with Jon at the helm.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Nope and Nope- not THAT bad.

    by Lost Jarv

    and Wales is the country where the sun never sets.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Africa

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Has to be Europe's crowning achievement. Jolly good show! Sorry guys, I'm saying this with humor and a sense of brotherhood, even though it's true heheheh. It just blows my mind when, in effect, Frankenstein gets all bitchy about his monster fuckin shit up. Shouldn'ta made the monster I guess!

  • June 11, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    could it be...

    by saddael

    the mighty huddersfield? or hmmm maybe southampton ?

  • June 11, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Nope and Nope

    by Lost Jarv

    You'll be here all day. We've won something and were top flight in the 90's.

  • June 11, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    and NOT f"FUCKING" Leeds

    by Lost Jarv

    I'd rather die.

  • June 11, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    africa

    by saddael

    is the planets happiest continent. fact.

  • June 11, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    Shia Lebeouf getting bitch slapped

    by Bobo_Vision

    Sorry if this is off-topic, but I figured this would be of interest to talkbackers. Its Shia Lebeouf getting bitch slapped while drunk because he lost a bet. Only thing is, he begs for it and seems to enjoy it: <p> http://tinyurl.com/5b2qrd

  • June 11, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I like Africa

    by Lost Jarv

    obviously I travelled in style and bagged an Elephant. I have the Tusk mounted in my drawing room and gaze at it every so often while sipping port in my smoking jacket.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Ipswich?

    by saddael

  • June 11, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Hey Lost Jarv

    by Series7

    Welsh people DO sound like RETARDS! But hey I lived in England when ID4 came out and remember it being a huge hit. I remember the first movie I saw in England though was Lion King at a theater around Watford, and it was full of Pakistanies and they had crying babies and whenever an usher came in to see what the noise was you would hear all the babies getting a hand pressed over their mouth. <P> Also please tell me that your not a Ted.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    I can see all sides of this

    by DeusExMachina

    Favreau did a bang up job on Iron Man and he deserves what is due to him for a sequal. He's proved that he is worth the money. So in that regard, Marvel should stop being asses and pony up the money the man deserves. It's not like they're not going to make it all back. I also understand that Marvel as a studio has a time table for their movies with The Avengers caping it all off. So I can see them wanting to get Iron Man 2 out before they do The Avengers. Now if Favreau is saying publicly and privately that he doesn't think that another movie can be possible by 2010, then Marvel may be inclined to not want to sign him. Jon Favreau is right though because movies like Iron Man, Batman, Spider Man, need proper prep time if you're going to pull it off right. You might be able to get script out if you start grinding right now, but what about all the other aspect of the movie? There are some things you just can not rush.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Tea and conquest anyone?

    by saddael

  • June 11, 2008, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Tiffin, anyone?

    by Lost Jarv

    And not Ipswich and no, I'm not a ted.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    heh

    by Lost Jarv

    3 Football teams with swearwords in their name: <P>ARSEnal, SCUMthorpe and FUCKING LEEDS. <P>hehehe

  • June 11, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    are you a blade?

    by saddael

  • June 11, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    I think Harry was...

    by Tourist

    ...Being clever with the whole Otherwise statement. I think. But then again, he is a grammatical terrorist.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    MEGAN FOXX--

    by zb.brox

    Good lord, I cannot even begin to express how much I disagree with you. "Big action extravaganza" is *never* enough in of itself. If it were, people would have loved the end of Spider-Man 3, but everyone I know thought the giant sand creature was fucking bullshit. Fing Fang Foom will go down like a fucking stone through a wet paper bag. Why do you think Iron Man, a character with little-to-no public image, did better than all three X-Men movies? X3 had a shitload of action--it also sucked, and it only made money because people expected it to rock after how successful X2 was. (67% drop from opening to second weekend. Compare that to Iron Man's 48%)<p>Any time you take a good movie, and then sacrifice character, script quality, or storytelling in the name of "big fucking action", you get a shittier movie that has a big opening weekend and then flames out. If X3 had had the same reviews and word-of-mouth and repeat viewings that X2 had, it would've made another thirty million dollars, easily.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST

    oh FUCK NO

    by Lost Jarv

    biggest group of scumbag losers on the planet. <P>And if you can't get it after that.....

  • June 11, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    by saddael

    well then you have to be from th 'other' club i'd assume.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Do we know how much Favreau is asking for?

    by Damien Chowder

    There are always 2 sides to a story.. And if his demands over weigh his talents then it's better to say no, nobody can be held for ransom. But Favreau seems like a genuine kinda guy. Unless Marvel can catergorically admit that Favreau held them to ransom.. Then it's looking bad for Marvel. Iron Man 2 will lose a lot viewers, guaranteed. If this is true then they need to announce a better director quick.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    yup, for my sins.

    by Lost Jarv

  • June 11, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Jeez, Harry. Learn how to hyphenate properly.

    by darthferris

  • June 11, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    As a Marvel Stockholder...

    by Blanket-Man

    I demand that Marvel bring back Favreau. That should do it...

  • June 11, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    now i know why you are so lost....

  • June 11, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Posturing...

    by Blanket-Man

    Tobey Maguire did the same type of thing to Sony/Marvel after the success of Spidey 1, claiming some mysterious back ailment. Eventually, cooler heads prevailed and the golden goose was saved. I figure the same will happen here. With Favreau, you'd have to think there's a 100% chance that RDJ returns; without Favreau, that number drops considerably. That alone better keep Marvel from f*cking with JF too much. IM2 is direct-to-video if just about anyone other than Downey is Stark at this point. He WAS the movie.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Morning, fellas

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Jarv, sorry to hear you're having a day that smells worse than an anchovy's cunt after being finger fucked by the guy who picks corn out of Lucas' shit. And Euro2008 just isn't the same without England.<p>Not quite hangover today but I had a few too many glasses of merlot celebrating what I thought would be a Celtics victory last night and I'm not entirely at my best this morning.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    We need a chart of directors and their prices for

    by CreasyBear

    similarly big-budget films. I'm hoping Favreau isn't asking for the moon. More, I'm hoping that Marvel doesn't waste a promising future by making the mistakes that the other studios have made with valuable properties. I thought Marvel being in charge was going to fix these problems!

  • June 11, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Wow... I really don't think Iron Man was THAT good...

    by The Grug

    Sure, there was nothing wrong with it as such, it just wasn't all that compelling.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    AND SHUT UP ABOUT STUPID FUCKING SOCCER!

    by CreasyBear

    Who gives a shit about a bunch of dumbasses kicking a ball back and forth on a gigantic field for hours and hours? Go to ESPN.com or something. (Now if you want to mention Celtics / Lakers, that would be different.)

  • June 11, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Who the hell is Captain America?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Nah, only joking. Peter Fonda. Captain America was Peter Fonda's character in Easy Rider. See, we do get it in England.<p>In other news, I'm disappointed to hear they may go ahead with Iron Man II without Jon Favreau. He seems like a director who's just hit his stride and it strikes me as crazy to take a risk on some other asshole when you already have a guy who's fully capable of directing an excellent sequel. Go with Jon, Marvel. You know it makes sense. Pay the man and get that damn sequel to us as soon as is possible without making a shitty film.<p>One final note. I would like to say that MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY is my current favourite talkback handle. I don't understand it, and I'm not sure if I'm supposed to understand it, but I like it anyway. Good for you, MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    P.S.

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That was a joke about Peter Fonda.<p>You all got that it was a joke, right?

  • June 11, 2008, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Seriously, Harry, can you give us some perspective

    by CreasyBear

    on directors' paydays for big summer movies? I have no comparison for what would be an unreasonable asking price. That is your homework assignment, Mr. Knowles.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    I'm actually glad England aren't there

    by Lost Jarv

    for a few reasons: <P>1) England is just plain horrible when we're at a major tournament. <P>2)The rest of Europe might actually have to admit to having hooligans as we aren't there/ <P>3) We fired steve McLaren.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    franklin t marmoset

    by saddael

    how very dare you

  • June 11, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Has DGDB been banned?

    by Lost Jarv

    I haven't seen him in a while

  • June 11, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    i loved point 2

  • June 11, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Fuck football

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I'm glad England aren't in Euro 2008 because I won't have to watch their matches out of a sense of obligation this year. I never could stand football, bunch of overpaid cry-baby pansies rolling around on the ground and clutching at their damn shins. Just get up and get on with the game!

  • June 11, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    fuck football?

    by saddael

    is that like the porno version of Total Football

  • June 11, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    CreasyBear

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I already brought up Lakers/Celtics (Boston in 6). If you think soccer is a dumb, boring game, then you really do bring shame to our country. I understand that soccer isn't as fast and furious as hockey, football and basketball, but it really is the most beautiful sport on the planet. It took me a while to come around but with a mother from Holland, a father from Mexico and a wife from South Korea, all where soccer is king, it was only a matter of time before I was hooked.<p>There's one reason and one reason only why soccer hasn't taken off in the U.S. and that's advertising. Without all the goddamn timeouts, there just isn't any opportunity for corporations to peddle their garbage. If ESPN had the balls to televise soocer matches round the clock, you'd see a much bigger interest in Americans.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    and it was also invented by the dutch.

    by Lost Jarv

    heh.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    and it was also invented by the dutch.

    by Lost Jarv

    heh.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    and it was also invented by the dutch.

    by Lost Jarv

    heh.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Hey Marvel, why don't you get Mark Steven Johnson for Iron Man 2

    by Knuckleduster

    That'll teach you, you greedy fucks.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    triple post

    by Lost Jarv

    fuck knows how I did that. Sorry.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Okay, I would happily watch that kind of football, saddael

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Particularly if it focused more on the footballer's wives than the footballers themselves. I believe I would thoroughly enjoy watching Louise Redknap take on Cheryl Cole for the championship cup.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Didn't take Marvel long to screw this up, did it?

    by rev_skarekroe

    A few dollar signs and they're just another studio. "Quality? Who gives a shit! Just get it out fast so it can make us more bank!"

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    lost jarv

    by saddael

    dammit that was my punchline

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Favreau's AWESOME, But What's He Asking For?!

    by cowboyone

    Some details would help put this in perspective. He certainly deserves a BIG PAYDAY for the sequel. And if it's BACK END it also offers a LOT of incentive to knock it out of the park (again.) Spielberg, Lucas and Ford don't make a dime until Indy earns 400 million to cover budget and marketing. Seems fair.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Also, soccer hasn't taken off in America..

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...because it's boring. Nobody wants to watch people play a game for hours that ends with a score of 3 to 3.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    But there's always the horror of Coleen whatshername

    by Lost Jarv

    That's worse than going out to Germany on penalties.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    franklin

    by saddael

    i've always thought mrs cole looked like a dirty playa...

  • June 11, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Save Mark Steven Johnson for Iron Man III

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    We all know the third film is where the comic book series flies spectacularly off the rails, so MSJ seems like the perfect choice to fuck up Iron Man good and proper in part three. I don't know that it has the potential to match his lunatic masterpiece - Ghost Rider - but I believe he would give it his best shot.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    as opposed to that fast moving high scoring game

    by Lost Jarv

    baseball. And I like baseball. That was a silly thing to say. A 3-3 match represents a storming game.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    rev skarecrow

    by saddael

    nggghhhh backing out... must resist.... excuse to.. make generalis SADDAEL ANGRY SADDAEL SMASH PUNY LAND OF THE FREE!

  • June 11, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    by Deadlowtide

    Are there some email address we can get to start blasting the bigwigs and letting them know that no JF on IM is a huge fuck up?

  • June 11, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    FOX AND X-MEN

    by King Kull

    Fox didn't mess up anything. Bryan Singer went of to make his stupid Superman movie and Fox pushed forward without him. X-Men 3 is just as good as the others--not something you can say about SUPERMAN RE-BURNS

  • June 11, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Franklin T Marmoset

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Crybabies? Yeah, I suppose so. Some of these guys deserve Oscars for their performance rolling around on the pitch.<p>But nobody does it better than baseball players. These pricks are the highest paid of any American athletes and not only are they fragile like fine china, but they are more arrogant than our Commander-in-Chimp, which says something.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Now is the time

    by seagrass

    for Downey to assert some of his influence (assuming he has any) and deliver an ultimatum: either Favreau directs, or I don't come back. I don't see why he couldn't do this, contracts be damned.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by Series7

    Yeah because Baseball is a fast action, every second counts type of game.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by Series7

    Yeah because Baseball is a fast action, every second counts type of game.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Too many thoughts in my head

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Most of them revolving around naked WAGs writhing around on with each other on wet grass.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    PERSONALLY....

    by saddael

    I LIKE THE DROGBA TECHNIQUE OF CONTINUING TO ROLL OVER IN DEFIANCE OF PHYSICS

  • June 11, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    PERSONALLY....

    by saddael

    I LIKE THE DROGBA TECHNIQUE OF CONTINUING TO ROLL OVER IN DEFIANCE OF PHYSICS

  • June 11, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I hate all sports that are not boxing

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Okay, maybe I'll watch a little tennis here and there, but I can't be bothered with the rest of it.<p>They used to show taut Australian women doing aerobics in the morning on Eurosport. Does that count? If so, I was a big fan of that one.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Ye gods Harry

    by Heleno

    Learn to punctuate. Dashes don't replace commas, and neither do ellipses. And sometimes you don't HAVE to use either.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    apologies

    by saddael

    my computer was stuck on hulk mode

  • June 11, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Wow, did the voice inside your ass tell you to say that?<p>Soccer is non-stop save for half-time. Unlike baseball (which I love, go Jays) where the batter constantly steps out of the box after every pitch and the right-handed pitcher spends 10 minutes trying to pick off the guy at first. Yessir, that's a rockin' good time.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor...

    by Rickey Henderson

    Nonsense. Soccer players are FAR worse when it comes to acting. Have you not seen the art of the "soccer flop"? Some of those limp wristed fuckers lie around on the ground for days...

  • June 11, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    And don't get me started on golf

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    That boring garbage couldn't be improved if they put landmines on the fairway, snipers in the rough and fire ants in the sand bunker.<p>Feeding Tiger Woods through an industrial shredder might hold my interest for a few minutes though.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor

    by Series7

    Wait golf is a sport? I thought it just like a glorified skill? Like juggling or tight rope walking? <P> OH yeah thats right a golfer is the highest paid athlete in the world. (I think not toally positive). OH and now there's that golf sports drink!

  • June 11, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    series7

    by saddael

    there's a golf sports drink?

  • June 11, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Series7

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Considering that the two highest paid athletes (christ it hurts to use that term) in the world are golf players, then I'd have to say golf in considered a sport.<p>Saddael, Gatorade just put out a drink called "Tiger" so yes, golf has it's own drink now.<p>Morning, Danny.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Soccer would appeal to America if it had "SUPER MULTI-BALL"

    by Damien Chowder

    And every point resulted in 30.. Cheer Leaders and fireworks.. People going "WHOOOOOOOOP WHOOOOOOP" YEEEEHAAAA!!!!!!!!! Can we have more details regarding Marvel vs Fav please.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Just a random thought...

    by 11dayempire

    ...how the hell are they going to deal with Ed Norton's egotistical "I must get a pass at rewriting anything I star in" line when it comes to making The Avengers?

  • June 11, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    damien

    by saddael

    did you used to read the fiver when man-ure got taken over

  • June 11, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Americans don't watch baseball for ACTION.

    by rev_skarekroe

    They watch it to eat hot dogs, drink beer, and talk about stats. But I don't watch any sports often, so what do I know. Say, wasn't this article about Iron Man?

  • June 11, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    tiger-ade

    by saddael

    Is it a sedative?

  • June 11, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Marvel has lost their marbles

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    They are going to end up doing the same thing that happened to Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man, allow the series to degenerate into crap, although they are going to skip "the second movie will be the best in the trilogy" move and let it tank after the first one.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    HOD, DGDB. Frankie T and Jarv - Hola!

    by toadkillerdog

    Been a while since we have all been on the same thread. <p> I truly hope that Marvel removes their head from sphincter on this issue, or IM 2 may well be the last IM movie. <p> HOD, golf is a maddening sport, perhaps not with the greatests athletes in the world, but with people who can command amazing muscle memory. Woods is the greatest of them all, and a true athlete. Watching him create shots, and escape bad shots (that he created) is part of the magic of Tiger.<p> It is a slow moving sport no doubt, but it has it's charms. <p> Nothing can beat English Shin kicking though!

  • June 11, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Yes, it was about Iron Man

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    But when has an AICN talkback ever stayed on target.<p>"They came from behind!"

  • June 11, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    avengers

    by saddael

    is it actually owt more than a rumour? bar the sam jackson cameo

  • June 11, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    saddael

    by Damien Chowder

    No but I will now.. But my last comment came from a British ad for an american beer (Bud or Miller).. I forget which beer though and it was stupidly funny and may be too close to the truth.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    X-Men 3 was fantastic!

    by ejcarter9

    If you want to dump on a sequel just stick with Spidey 3. That's a legitimate point you can score.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Maybe they'll bring Ang Lee on...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...like they should have in the beginning. Maybe Ang can then tackle the alcoholic repression storyline the way only Ang can, while including a much needed Iron Dawgs fight sequence...

  • June 11, 2008, 9:38 a.m. CST

    THE INCREDIBLES IS...

    by mvckalel

    the best reviewed superhero movie of all time...NOT Iron Man...just to get that out of the way...

  • June 11, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    The action in Iron Man just didn't hammer it for me. Of course, I don't expect other elements of a sequel to suffer in the pursuit of explosions but the original had no moments of tension or triumph to savour. This is a sentiment shared by others, and if shared by David Maisel then I totally understand why he would want to replace Favreau. I don't think Favreau's price is an issue - I genuinely believe David Maisel cares for Marvel Studios and wants to see a world of possibilities hinted at in Iron Man fully realised in the hands of a Raimi circa 2004. A more capable action director than Favreau would be able to coalesce the dramatic energy into a rewarding, thrilling and emotional level of action that Favreau did not reach. Whether he COULD not reach or WOULD not reach that level is already a divisive issue it seems.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Good day to you, toad

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    When I was at school, the sport of choice was nutmegs, which was a twenty-four-hour-a-day sport of punching your friends in the balls when they weren't looking. It was a painful and stressful sport, a 'sleep with one eye open' type of thing.<p>We were indeed deeply stupid when we were teenagers.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    simpsons captured soccer perfectly

    by Bouncy X

    in that one episode where all they were doing was passing the ball and while the american announcer sounded bored as hell, the spanish one was all excited. that is soccer, only those who murder each other over the game actually like it and then while since they murder each other over a fucking sport game, you realize taste isnt actually in their vocabulary.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST

    TKD

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I'm not arguing that there are few people in the world who can do what Tiger does with a ball and a club, but golf is something to be played by friends with a case of Corona, not watched on TV.<p>And I still want to see Tiger kicked out of an airlock with a bag of cats on his head and a piranha tank on each foot.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I'll direct it

    by dr sauch

    Film RDJ driving around LA with a handycam for about 3 hours, cut it together with some stock CGI from the first one, BAM! Iron Man 2.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Golf= Good walk ruined

    by Lost Jarv

    you know this to be true. And I like cricket.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    bouncy x

    by saddael

    my what a well thought out and reasonable opinion you have. just popping out to eviscerate a newcastle fan ta ta!

  • June 11, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    The Simpsons has derided every sport.<p>When Homer was the only one at Isotopes Stadium watching the game without beer: "I never realized how boring baseball actually is."<p>Soccer rules. Get over it.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by Lost Jarv

    No. The simpsons perfectly captured the American attitude to soccer. Not the same thing.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Excelsior!

    by Gozu

    I think they'll work something out. If anything this sounds like someone from Favreau's camp leaked the story so that way he could use people's reactions as leverage.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    They Don't care who made it!

    by FILMFUNK

    They just $ee that IRONMAN did well $o 'we need another IRONMAN movie' and it will do ju$t a$ well, if not better becau$e now it's a recognised franchi$e. The talentle$$ money men are all the $ame, the world over in every area where arti$t meet$ the market place. When they get another tru$ting $omeone for le$$ to do a bad job on Ironman II and it doe$ $hit they'll blame the director and pump more into a third one and end-up looking like the fucking dickhead$ we all know they are! Then in a wee while they'll reinvent/reha$h the $ame formula with the next big up and coming director and the cycle of $hafting the actual talent will begin again!<P>$ad but true

  • June 11, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah... zb.brox - FIN FANG FUCKING FOOM!

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    Mark my words: EVENTUALLY HE WILL APPEAR. Because in a superhero franchise, the fantastical always prevails over the domestic (compare the mechanical villains of Spidey 1 & 2 to man-who-can-turn-into-sand and alien-on-a-meteorite in number 3). Not only is this because a rogues gallery is exhaustive but, in Iron Man's case, a man in an iron suit fighting other men in iron suits, giant iron robots or a Chinese terrorist is too samey to endure.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Nutmegs?

    by toadkillerdog

    Um, you can keep that 'game' on your side of the pond!<p> Golf is definitlely to be played while drinking serious amounts of beer! To be watched as well, while flipping channels!

  • June 11, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    All you bloody football fans...

    by zb.brox

    ...need to take a lesson from American football. AMERICANS DO NOT LIKE LOW-SCORING GAMES! Therefor, make every goal worth SIX instead of one, and all will be forgiven.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Anyone else not excited about The Dark Knight?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Help me out, I'm trying to steer us away from sports.<p>I'm looking forward to seeing Ledger's take on the Joker, but the rest of it leaves me pretty cold. If it's another dour exercise in taking a silly idea far too seriously, I can't see myself enjoying The Dark Knight more than Iron Man. Not that Batman Begins was shit - it was okay, but not an awful lot of fun. Also, I heard Nolan has once again refused to use a second unit director for his action scenes. That is not good news.<p>Please flame if you like. I'd rather have people calling me an asshole than blathering on about sports.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks Franklin T Marmoset!

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    I am the afterbirth of DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Nutmegs is not for the faint of heart, toadkillerdog

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    It makes your every waking second incredibly stressful. The fear and the anticipation of the coming punch in the balls is almost as bad as the inevitable punch in the balls itself.<p>Man, I am glad my teenage days are over.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    MEGAN FOXX--

    by zb.brox

    Fin Fang Foom may, eventually appear--and when he does, 99% chance it will go over like a lead balloon. People don't cope well with the horrendously fantastical in these movies, especially one as grounded in "reality" as Iron Man. The best shot at it actually working would've been Galactus in FF2, but they chickened out. <p>In any case, I thought the action in Iron Man was awesome--it *looked* brilliant, it was easy to follow, and it was all justified by the plot and the characters. People complain about the action in Batman Begins, too, but BB was still one of the best damn superhero movies ever. I'd much rather have that than the incredible stupidity and lameness of X3 (that whole war sequence at the end just made me want to murder people, it was so fucking bad) or the incredible stupidity and impossible-to-fucking-follow-ness of Transformers. Give me Dock Ock over that any day of the week.

  • June 11, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    You're welcome, MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That Danny Glover thing is a little too... icky for my tastes.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    zb.brox

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Americans also elected Bush, twice, drink Coors Light, drive Hummers, churn out reality shows (Wipeout? Really?), still think Saddam had something to do with 9/11, can't point out Iraq out on a map, think a Whopper is actually good food, made At World's End the highest grossing movie last year and overwhelming believe in angels.<p>Speaking as an American, we're dumber than shit.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Is Jon Favreau one of the coolest human beings ever?

    by Knuckleduster

    He made Iron Man, he wrote and acted in Swingers, he played Rocky Marciano, he created Dinner for Five, and he played himself in The Sopranos. That's hard to beat.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    FTM--

    by zb.brox

    Taking itself too seriously? I almost always hate that line of thinking. If a movie has something fairly serious it wants to say, I don't care how silly the idea is as long as the movie makes it believable. Blade Runner's got a pretty silly premise, too (you design artificial lifeforms to do manual labor and then you make them look exactly like humans? Really? You never think to give them a visible serial number or something?) but that doesn't stop it from being entertaining and thought-provoking. You asshole. (Just kidding)

  • June 11, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I just don't want any microwave weapons in it because that climax nuked the fridge. At least Nolan was smart enough to drop that particular bomb at the end of an exception movie so the film still came out on top.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    HOD--

    by zb.brox

    Sorry, I was employing irony. Should've pointed it out for the stupid fucking Americans in presence. ;) <p>(For the record, I'm American, too, or near enough)

  • June 11, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    MONEY MONEY MONEY

    by lb

    MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY!! That is the Hollywood game...too bad Marvel will likely regret this decision soon

  • June 11, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The guy made Iron Man a success...IRON MAN!

    by skycrapper

    Iron Man is one just step above Ghost Rider as a viable cinematic Marvel character and he turned it into box office gold now they want to go all Hollywood and rush shit out. Why don't they just make that movie in Idocraticy called "ASS". I'm sure thats not too far down the line.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Fav wouldn't have got much for this film.

    by Damien Chowder

    So if he wants double for Iron Man 2 I guess they should be able to handle it. Double Fav money probably still wouldn't touch the pockets of say Michael Bay?

  • June 11, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    This can only end in tears...

    by XOMuffintop

    If JF is not involved in IM2 is there really a chance the RDJ will be in it? And if her is, will he just phone it in? This does not look good at all.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Yes, TKD is looking forward to TDK

    by toadkillerdog

    I hope I spelled my own initials correctly! <p> But yes, this should be a kick ass summer!

  • June 11, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I don't really care is Fav comes back.

    by Series7

    I mean I do and I don't. Because I like that he's all into and understands geekdom. But I guess I'd have to see who else they'd hire. RDJ made this movie, and the fact that there was never really a villin shows that.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Haha Franklin, yeah that sounds all kinds of wrong!

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    It's a good job I'm not called WHOOPIGOLDBERGS_PUSSYJUICE (believe me, it was toyed with). What I meant to say is that DICKBLOOD partly inspired the handle - I just wanted a killer byline that would inexplicably captivate.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Calm Down Fanboys

    by MightyOs

    Come on. Why do they owe Fav so much? He was jobbing on Friends before he got his wish to direct Iron Man. He may have made a terrific job of it. But Now he'l get alot more work off the back of it and Marvel are to thank for giving him his fanboy shot and making his dream come true. Does anyone know the facts here? Does anyone know if he's declared that he wants double, triple his salary for IM2? If he has then let him go. IM2 will do a ton of business no matter who directs it. It's that simple. I did a great thing at work the other day, doesn't mean I will ask my boss for a 100 or even 200% pay increase. If IM is truly a dream of Fav then he'll do the 2nd for the same money. If npot then I agree with the dude who posted waaaaaay back about how the Marvel Exec made the right choice with IM and Hulk. I'd rather trust him to define Marvel Studio's future if his films turn out like these 2. What's that? Fav didn't direct the new Hulk? Oh no, that means other directors CAN realise the Marvel univers.....

  • June 11, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    DGDB

    by toadkillerdog

    Pillow was over on the old, old Die Hard 4 revival thread yesterday. It was funny. Some dude named Ghost of senor Nixon was giving the warciples a hard time - but all in jest.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    MightyOs--

    by zb.brox

    I hate the "If favs loves it, he'll do it for the same money!" reasoning. If you do a good job and perform beyond expectations, you should damn well expect a raise. This is a matter of basic principle--talented, successful people should be rewarded for their work. Favreau made Marvel way, way more money than he needed to to collect a paycheck, and any money they make on the Iron Man franchise in future is because of how he handled this first one. They should show the guy some fucking respect.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Sadly that looks all too possible

    by Lost Jarv

  • June 11, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    The Machine Girl is now out on DVD

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Anyone watch it yet? That film has everything. Asian MILFs, deep fried extremities and blood that's being blasted onto the set by a firehose.<p>Favs might be asking for a percentage of the final IM2 take which I think is reasonable.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Fuck The Hulk!

    by Saluki

    No way am I paying for a Hulk ticket until this gets cleared up. I advise you all to do the same.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    In Dublin...

    by emeraldboy

    Capt america is hugely popular Fast food retaurant.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    MightyOs

    by toadkillerdog

    You make some good points, and yes, the true story is not out yet. Who knows how much he is asking for, and without a doubt I think this is a negotiating ploy. Fav, knows how to play to the geek crowd, and would manipulate in a heartbeat (just as most would)to get a bigger cut. <p> The diff between you asking your boss for a raise, and Fav, is that you did not bring in a movie that will make close to 100 million in profit! <p> The biggest issues though, is that when a successful movie franchise is turned over to a director who will work on the cheap, it usually turns out badly.<p> IM was a monster surprise, and speaking as a very long suffering fan of the comic book, I could not have been more pleased that it came off so well. I would hate if they chose a hack like Ratner. It would do great business the first week, and then die a fast death. And the end of a franchise. That is not to say you cannot get a good director other than Fav. But you will still have to pay.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I saw Iron Man 3 times so far

    by SpawnofAchilles

    and will assuredly buy it the first day it comes out on blu ray. I love it more with each viewing. IF ANYONE FROM THE CREATIVE TEAM OR CAST IS NOT BACK I WILL BOYCOTT THE SEQUEL! DO YOU HEAR ME MARVEL???

  • June 11, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL TB???

    by slone13

    Let's do it!

  • June 11, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    DAVID MAISEL YOU &$#%ING DUMBASS

    by ryman7

    listen to your audience! do what it takes to keep the talent. don't overthink your job; YOU ARE EXPENDABLE, not the people who actually make the movies

  • June 11, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Auteur

    by hank quinlan

    Favs himself admitted he's no Chris Nolan. Sure...that's true. But anyone who has watched Dinner for Five or seen work he has any kind of behind the scenes input on knows this: He's a smart, creative guy with a real point of view. Here's what I thought watching Iron Man. Wow...this is a fucking JON FAVREAU movie. Dig it. Favs envisioned Stark as a character straight of Swingers or Made. He brought a humor and sensibility to Stark he never had in the comic book. Downey Jr. of course knocked it out of the park. But Favs vison of how to do Iron Man and make it in the confines of a fun summer movie is unique. Im sure he is asking for more money. He should. He's the fucking hottest thing going. He earned it. Iron Man 2 would be huge. But it may take some time. Give it to him. Awww fuck it...maybe Brett Ratner or the guy who did Cloverfield are free? Or better yet Mark Steven Johnson! YESSSSSSSSSSS!

  • June 11, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Yuck. Godfather 3. Yuck

    by Lost Jarv

    Sofia pigdog Coppola stinking up the screen. <P>If Spiderman and X-men hadn't reached part 3 it's a true contender for worst trilogy ending of all time. And it's even more insulting given the dizzying drop off in quality from part 2.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    It's what a Director does

    by Steve_Dooku

    Downey made the movie because of the direction he got. That's what a Director does! He turned in a hell of a performance because he was inspired and allowed to do so by the Director. <br><br> Get it?

  • June 11, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Iron Man was... OK. Above average but not great.

    by cinemixtape.com

    I can't say Iron Man 2 would be an automatic disaster with out Favreau, as much as I like the guy. The first film lacked an identity, lacked visual flair (apart from the fx), and was anticlimactic. I liked the movie, but the crazy amount of praise it got was undeserved. I'm open to another director taking a shot. Why isn't anyone open to the idea of a better director stepping in? It's possible, right? Maybe not. In the end, Iron Man was decent, other directors should be considered for the franchise but if they want to go on the cheap... that's a pretty bad idea.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    As for Robert Downy Jr.

    by Series7

    I am pretty sure he's been playing Tony Stark for quite a while now. Just this time he can actually beat you up.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Kid Idioteque: You are free to join Megan's camp

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    on account of those pearls of wisdom.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I liked Iron Man

    by Lost Jarv

    not to the ejaculatory levels that I've seen here. I was surprised by it, but I'd have to say that if it hadn't been Downey then it would have been deeply average.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    Thanks for your blessing and shameless book plug.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Takashi Miike's Iron Man

    by Lost Jarv

    Disturbing.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Chris Walken

    by Lost Jarv

    far too old. Although the dude never sucks in anything, he's just too old.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    DG

    by Series7

    Chris Walken is gone. He's just become a parody of himself now. That was shown on probably the worst SNL ever he hosted recently. And the last movie I remember him in was the rundown. I've seen him in other things sure, but I didn't remember him.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Articles like this do more harm than good...

    by Mr. Profit

    Remember back when the JJ Abrams "Superman" script was savaged on here? Yeah there were fundamental changes that should not have been made like Lex being an FBI agent AND an alien. But aside from things that could have been changed, the script was way better than the boring, lifeless and dull "Superman Returns".<p>With the case of "Iron Man", Favreu did a capable job. But in the hands of a director capable of economizing their budget, the 180 spent here could have been put to better use. Look at Del Toro. With half the budget he was able to make "Hellboy II" look more expensive than "Iron Man". If Favreau wants to be a douche and demand more money than Downey (who deserves a huge pay hike as he was the best thing about the film) then give him his walking papers.</P><P>I'm sure there are other GOOD directors out there who can take a nearly 200 million dollar budget and make the movie that would blow us all away completely. "Iron Man" was a start in the right direction, but let's not kid ourselves and start over praising a film that ganked the last 20 minutes of it's climactic battle from the final fight in "Robocop 2".

  • June 11, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Timothy Dalton Circa 1986 is and always shall be

    by Lost Jarv

    Prince Barin. Do not debate me about this. <p>Interesting piece of trivia- the dude killed by the tree thing in Flash Gordon went on to be a children's TV presenter for years.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Captain America

    by Mr. Profit

    I am a Democrat who is on the slightly more liberal side of things. And while this Administration and it's Foreign Policy is a huge mess, I can't see why "Captain America" won't make a lot of money overseas. If the trailer looks good and the acting, action and direction is there then it is possible. I don't get why people are arguing about it here. Anything will sell if it looks like good fun.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    what planet are you guys on?

    by robamenta

    iron man was just ok..mediocre at best...holy crap

  • June 11, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Regarding a possible Cap America movie

    by fuxkinski

    I am a from Germany and USA comic book collector for 30 years now. Therefore I would have no qualms to see a CAPTAIN AMERICA Movie regardless of its title ("First Avenger" / Captain America"). About the "Europeans hate America" discussion - this is utter nonsense! Europeans LOVE LOVE LOVE America!!! At least the Fantasy of it, meaning it would be a place for freedom and prosperity for all. We totally see the difference between the america that is in the hands of the shark capitalism/imperialism of now - and the ideals and the people it SHOULD display in to world. And face it true believers, CAPTAIN AMERICA is a leftist for all it is worth - just see his role in the CIVIL WAR series! So no one in its right mind would associate Steve Rogers with thr nutso rightwing fascistos leading your wonderful country right now! Habe die Ehre FuxKinski

  • June 11, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    IM2= Uwe Boll / Charlie Sheen

    by samurai sark

    Denise Richards as the Mandarin

  • June 11, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Donner...

    by I AM ROCKO

    ...this sounds a bit familar. Remember what the Salkinds/Warner Bros. did to Richard Donner, and the first Superman film. It made money, they sacked him, brought on Richard Lester and reshot 80% of Superman 2. I know that Iron Man 2 has not even started and that Reeves/Kidder and co were locked into contracts to reshoot Superman 2. However, then see what happened. The Salkinds made Superman 3 a Richard Pryor comedy and wrote Kidder out of the film almost entirely. According to some documentaries I have seen, Superman 3 was supposed to have Brainiac and Bizarro as the bad guys (drunk Supes/Kent fight in junkyard and the supercomputer were remanants from the original script) and a love triangle between Clark/Lois/Lana. Sigh. Anyhow, Marvel, don't fuck up Iron Man 2- you have made an excellent start.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Maybe they're saving Fav for Avengers?

    by samurai sark

    If they know Favs can't do IM2 in their timeframe, perhaps they would allow him to use his box office mojo on the avengers instead. I'd rather see him assemble the avengers over Leterrier (no offense, just opinion)

  • June 11, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    DannyGlover

    by Mr. Profit

    I'm sure you could do a better job. People on here are making him out to be some Cameron level action director. He was just at the right place at the right time. I'm sure if Ratner directed the same exact film people would be crying on here that "it wasn't all that" or talking about how "dull" it was. But since Favreau gave everyone free handjobs when he promoted this things and put in wink wink nudge nudge "maybe next time!" lines in the script people are worshipping him. It's not that fucking serious.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    FuxKinski

    by Lost Jarv

    It's only Messi, and he's a prick that won't let the facts get in the way of his delusions.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Danny

    by Lost Jarv

    Last- Indy and that makes me sad, <p>2nd- Iron Man<P>1st Doomsday, but I'm massively biased. <P>I haven't seen Speed Racer and would rather fuck a blender than sit through SATC.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Kiss your marvel universe goodbye

    by samurai sark

    Some great reward for making a summer blockbuster. One hit and you're done? End of the line, buddy, time to start over. Here's Iron Fist and Emile Hirsch, see what you can do.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Top Movies

    by Mr. Profit

    Bigger Stronger Faster was the most engaging movie I saw this Summer and it's not even a work of fiction. Iron Man was fun. Indy 4 was OK but when you think about it, it has a really high ratio of instances of "Shenanigans" (the fridge, the sword fighting, the ants, the monkeys, the truck boat falling down 3 waterfalls, and then the alien). I saw "Speed Racer" and I thought it was a little too long for kids. But the action was pretty cool. Like watching Mario Kart. And that one out of nowhere fight was well choreographed. The movie was a love it or really hate it kind of deal and I just respect it from a technical standpoint.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I think my problem with IM

    by Series7

    Was that I was like. Well finally they did it right.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on directors and investing in a franchise.

    by Sithtastic

    First off, let me echo many here by saying Marvel's almost genetic incapability to keep talent is something of a legend as yet unparalelled in any other industry. If they have a winning formula, rest assured they'll piss off whoever's responsible in exchange for creating cheaper product and relying on product name to bring in the bucks (again, nothing new from what's already been noted here). That said, we should call them on it and in our loudest, deafening voice ask as to why they would throw away such a winning formula here. I dont know what they're thinking (other than saving production costs) but there needs to be some kind uprising or outright boycott--though I realize as soon as I suggest it, how silly that sounds. Marvel will essentially crap in a box and then market it to the non-fans who liked Iron Man, even if the true fans know better.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    summer movies

    by samurai sark

    Iron Man - A-(what final battle?)<br> Speed Racer - D-(like sticking your dick in a bag of skittles)<br> Narnia - B- (good. just good) Indy - C-(nuked the fridge)<br> Zohan - C+ (at least it wasn't indy)

  • June 11, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Thought My Chi-Town Bulls were stupid

    by DaBUU

    for Hiring Vinny "The Black". Now Marvel is gonna fuck this up. I hate everyone.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    "selling his mouth for sperm collection"

    by Lost Jarv

    I'm stealing that line. <P>Just thought I'd tell you.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Iron Man is not for "true fans" like you

    by Lost Jarv

    It's for people like me that know next to nothing about the character and enjoyed the movie. I thought it was good, and RDJ was excellent.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Fat fucking chance

    by Lost Jarv

    but if I do I'll pay. You shouldn't fuck people on royalties and I'm not marvel.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    If Favs isn't coming back, I sure ain't

    by polyh3dron

    Favs made an awesome Iron Man movie for Marvel that make bucketloads of money. The guy deserves a fucking raise for the next one considering the success of the first one.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    PITCHPERFECT

    by PITCHPERFECT

    Mr. Maisel stop acting like a corporate prick now that you have lots of money to play around with. Do the right thing and pay up, and stop sucking on your fat cigar like you're blowing a cock.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Outta here

    by Lost Jarv

    have fun peeps. <P>Die in fire Argentinian cum dumpster.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by Amadeo Zeller

    LOL! Why, for calling a turd a turd? Spare my your misplaced outrage and moral superiority.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    And this is why most of you here are working in low/middle level

    by trojanwilliams

    (if working at all) and not the heads of major corporations. <br><br>It's called a negotiation and not a capitulation for a reason. There's a give and take required to come to an agreement that's feasible for both parties involved. You never just give the person what they want no matter how indispensable they are. If Marvel gives in to the first number Favreau requests it sets a terrible precedent for all future studio-director negotiations. <br><br>I don't give a damn how great Iron Man was or Favreau is. He has to negotiate his salary like everyone else and that involves hearing the word no quite a few times. <br><br>Favreau leaking his contract information to Harry and the internet gang is a master stroke though cause the fan backlash would force Marvel's hand some. Harry taking the bait like a good little lapdog.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Oooops!

    by Amadeo Zeller

    *spare me*

  • June 11, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    IS DAVID MAISEL THE NEW TOM ROTHMAN?

    by polyh3dron

    TIME WILL TELL

  • June 11, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Jarv - I was a true longtime Im fan

    by toadkillerdog

    I started collecting Iron man when I was just a wee lil Toadkiller. I went back and bought the first issues as well. For the longest time, I was the biggest and only IM fan in my circle of comic book collecting friends. <p> Stan Lee's wet dream of perfect Tony Stark casting would be: Tom Selleck circa 1982.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    As others have said...

    by polyh3dron

    I thought Marvel had started financing their own films to stop the shit that happened to X-Men 3 and Spider Man 3. ATTN: Marvel; YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG

  • June 11, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    RDJ would never 'half-ass' to escape

    by ArcadianDS

    he's a pro. He'll honor his contract, and then just walk away from the studio. If he half-asses an Iron Man II, whose going to 'champion' him to a skeptical studio after that? nobody.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Danny Glover

    by Mr. Profit

    The family element was good. It was strictly a movie for young boys and the young guy in every one. It had everything I could have ever wanted in a movie as a kid.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    And...

    by Mr. Profit

    You guys saying f'ed up stuff about the Marvel CEO are just being blind and one sided. Again, leaking his stalled contract negotiations to the internet was really tacky on his part.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Maisel is the new Rothman

    by candystore

    Is anyone else feeling strangely reminiscent of Tom Rothman and his 2005 man-love crusade for Brett Ratner right about now? What the fuck is wrong with these people?! Sweet christ Maisel, Fav's is a no-brainer - give him what he wants!

  • June 11, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    No Director Has Ever Been "Peripheral"

    by Crow3711

    To any movies failure or success. That's who it comes down to. Saying something like just shows you don't know much, if anything.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Nicolas Cage as Tony Stark!!!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    "I could eat a peach for hours"

  • June 11, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    RE: Candystore

    by polyh3dron

    $12.50 is already pretty much the norm here in LA for ticket prices.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Five dollar Matinee in my

    by Quin the Eskimo

    ass town.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Here's some news on The Happening

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    M Night finally decided to spare us with one of his tacky cameos and instead credits himself as a character, not seen or heard, who sends text messages to one of the main characters. This guy has nuked the f-ing fridge.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Who is John Favreu? Why can't they negotiate?

    by NoDiggity

    What was so brilliant about IRON MAN ? Nothing, really. So Favreau fought to get Downey Jr. in the movie. Big frigging whoop. What did Favreau bring to the table that was so goddamn brilliant? The studio is just negotiating with a guy who hasn't done a hell of a lot of crap before, and whether or not he gets a raise, will be paid a hell of a lot more than most people reading this site do. Oh, boo hoo, they didn't cave to his demands instantly! Because having IRON MAN on the screen, in a half-way successful way is such a idol-worthy achievment! <p> The special effects team did a nice job animating the suit on suit action .. do we credit Favreau for that? Or do we damn him for the clumsy intermixing of the Suit-on-suit action with the Pepper Pots in Peril action? Because that part looked poorly imagined, executed, and edited. I think Favreau is a nobody and could easily be replaced by anybody (and the writing team could go too).

  • June 11, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Nelson Lam?

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

  • June 11, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Here's what's going to happen ...

    by NoDiggity

    Favreau will be hired on for a bit more than before. They won't need extra time to write a script, because they'll be copying the first script and repeating it (just as was done with the Spider-Man movies, and the angsty relationship with Pepper Pots will copy the Parker-Mary Jane formula). The only thing Favreau can do is stop whining and work his ass off getting it done at all instead of done "right". It's a fucking comic book movie. Order pizza and cokes and hash out the script. We don't need subtlety and angst, and no matter what the fanboys tell you, we don't need the alcoholism angle played up either.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Pay faverau.... but

    by Kizeesh

    get him a really good 2nd unit director to make the action sequences work. It's all i'm saying.<p> Sadly studio's don't usually get this right, and instead just opt for the cheap technically good ex-music video director who can make the FX work and can do a decent transition.<p> If this happens to IM2 then it'll be the ass-fuck of the franchise from which it won't recover.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:21 p.m. CST

    A lot of people hailed Favs when Swingers came out

    by emeraldboy

    as some kind of genius. I couldnt stand that film. I tried to sit through it on DVD and after a while a had to hit the off button. I think that at the time there was a feeling that Liman, favs and Vaughan. were a new team to take on hollywood. that was the buzz anyway.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Asphyxia from vomit

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

  • June 11, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    MiraJeff

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Who is this guy and what did AICN do to him? All he basically did was post news like Merrick, right?

  • June 11, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Uwe Boll beat him up though

    by Flying Spaghetti Monster

  • June 11, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    When did Marvel turn into Maoist China?

    by Rickey Henderson

    This ambitious three year plan of theirs sounds like something out Chairman Mao's playbook.<br> <br> But all that ambition is for naught if they can't pull their heads out of their asses. As as far as the funnybooks go, Marvel still doesn't hold a candle to the awesomness that is DC.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Let's create a list of directors....

    by Mr. Profit

    Who can do a better job that Favreau: <p>Alex Proyas</p> <p>Alfonso Cuaron</p> <p>Zack Snyder</p> <p>Guillermo Del Toro</p> List of directors who could have done the SAME job and people would have bitched on here: <p>Michael Bay</P> <p>Len Wiseman</P> <p>Brett Ratner</P> <P>Francis Lawrence</P> I was tempted to put McG on there but he really can't direct a film to save his life.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    THE TRUTH OF IT ALL IS:

    by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY

    Whatever decision Maisel makes, you will all go to Iron Man 2 anyway - the reason being RDJ will return regardless of Favreau's fate because he wants TONY STARK on his tombstone. Jon Favreau is not starving! He got to do what any employee dreams of doing - getting paid for something they love! Plus he's got Avengers on the horizon. Well sorry if I'm not exactly fucking weeping for the guy. Fuck - you'd think Maisel had tossed dynamite down the mine and left Favreau's kids in abject poverty. Also, we all know deep down that Ratner could turn in a more entertaining sequel given the source material. Mr. Profit - your pearls of wisdom on Favreau's fanboy-pleasing clouding their quality judgement are fully savoured. NoDiggity - where have you been for this entire thing?! emeraldboy - a gem in more ways than one, etc. etc. That is that. Oh, and I might check back here a little later so don't discharge too heavily on MEGAN.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Favreau is a HACK!!!

    by David_Maisel

    The guy sucks. Anyone can make a movie that rips off RoboCop. Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson can make a movie just as good. As a matter of fact, they are next in line. You talkbackers wouldn't know shit if 10 tons fell on your collective heads!

  • June 11, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    David_Maisel

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It depends on the type of shit. Bat? Dog? Cow? Goose? Cat? Fat guy? I mean, if 10 tons of bird shit fell on me, I'd probably be in a quandary as to what just hit me. But speaking from personal experience, when you get slammed by 10 tons of fat guy shit, you instantly know what you're swimming in.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    M. Night Shamalayan to direct Iron Man 2!

    by Rickey Henderson

    The movie, shot entirely in Pensylvania, depicts Robert Downey Jr as he rakes a lawn for 2 hours. At the end of the movie he puts on the suit of armor but you only catch a glimpse of it. And Madarin is played by Shamalayan in an uncredited cameo.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Isn't it necessary to go on the cheap to churn these out?

    by strosmer

    I don’t see this as Favreau getting dissed necessarily, or even Marvel screwing over good talent. Rather, Marvel has a plan here, an ambitious project of realizing the Marvel Universe on film, and the company will simply do what it has to do to keep these movies coming out on a regular basis and turn a profit. The idea of bringing the Marvel Universe to the big screen is not yet fully realized, and still in the experimental phase. This won’t be an easy project to pull off, so it’s necessary to be economical, while at the same time risky, especially at this stage of the game.<p>Favreau did a fine job with Iron Man, and it would seem stupid to ruin a good thing, but is it really economical, or even necessary, to keep the same director on for each sequel? Marvel pretty much needs to test this premise out. Besides, it could actually be refreshing to see new takes on the characters with each release, comparable to bringing on new artists and writers to titles in comic books. Not to mention the Cinematic Marvel Universe could end up being a vehicle for lots of up-and-coming directors to have a hand at producing a blockbuster, then springboard themselves to bigger and better things.<p>It's only a trend that the same director stays on for two or three films in a franchise. I see what Marvel is doing as an exciting new direction for cinema – comic books as films. As production costs for CGI come down (it’ll have to peak soon, hopefully with Avatar), then we may very well see the day where a director can stay on for a couple of “issues.” Until then, expect more news like this. It’s nothing personal, strictly business.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Alex Proyas????

    by Series7

    He did two good movies and then got eaten up and chewed out by the 100 Million + A Year Box Office For William Smith Company. <P> How about if Hulk doesn't make as much money as Ironman, that guy directs IM 2. Because the action looks pretty good, and Ironman would've been better had there been some action scenes.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    sorry

    by saddael

    but don't mention pws anderson..... oh hang on.... spider sense detecting....humour?

  • June 11, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    It's a daily happening. My boss drops trou above my cubicle and dumps on me ALL. DAY. LONG.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Woody Allen directing and starring

    by g-ride9000

    There's a man who can shoot big stars for zero money. Imagine it..the whole movie will take palace at Tony Stark's family reunion, and we only see the Iron Man suit in a dream and during the family's tour of the house.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    strosmer

    by Rickey Henderson

    Is it necessary to keep the same director on for each sequel? Well Rickey would argue that Nolan's work on the Batman franchise pretty much speaks for itself. Sure they could go the Harry Potter route and bring on new directors, but it would feel very uneven. You need more than just a good lead actor and a decent Visual FX studio to make a good comic book movie trilogy. You need a consistent directoral vision. Are there better directors out there than Favreau? Absolutely. But he went out and made a fun, light, comic book blockbuster flick. With Alex Proyas or whoever, it wouldn't feel the same.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Alex Proyas

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Fuck the haters. I really liked I, Robot and Dark City is one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Erick Wujcik, TMNT roleplaying designer passed away

    by indyjonez100

    Not sure if ya'll knew this or not but Erick Wujcik, creator of such Palladium Books RPGs as TMNT, After the Bomb, Hereos and Superspies, passed away of cancer. I remember playing these games as a kid with my brother, had a blast putting together mutants and then going on adventures. Sad to see someone else associated with my childhood has passed on.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    This is the second time I have heard about Mirajeffs meltdown

    by toadkillerdog

    Can anyone provide details?

  • June 11, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Just don't say this on the Marvel Boards....

    by soupcan58

    I've seen them pull comments and threads on their boards down and off if it's a negative comment towards them (One More Day thread that were positive were left, the negative were nuked to high heaven and never posted in again). I'd say a massive email thing would help.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    When I'm depressed I...

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...put on goth make-up like the Crow. So Proyas has my vote.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Thanks "MeganFoxx"

    by Mr. Profit

    And yeah DannyGlover, Proyas could probably make an awesome Iron Man 2 with an 180 million dollar budget. How much did it cost when he made I Robot?

  • June 11, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    IMO, what was good about Favreau...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...was the hands off tone he brought to the film. It seems that with all the elements in play (RDJ, the source material, script) he didn't try to force anything thematically or visually, and so didn't have that strong filtered feel you might find in, say, a Mikey Bay movie, where you're like, "yeah, that's a Mikey bay movie. Iron Man is a no-nonsense type of character, so in a sense, that raw unfiltered tone Favreau brought to Iron Man worked in the film's favor. Favreau also knows comedy, so the relationship with RDJ must have been golden. Iron Man was an actor's film. On the other hand, that strong guiding hand that more skilled or visual directors like a Spielberg or John Woo might have lent the film a bit more visual grandeur or overall creativity that the movie seemed to be lacking in. Just my thoughts.

  • June 11, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    Rickey

    by strosmer

    The thing about comic books as movies is that they don't need to be a trilogy with a coherent look and feel to them. The story can simply keep progressing with the new talents taking the characters in different directions, just as it happens in comics. I do love Nolan's take on Batman. I don't see that Marvel has the same formula in mind for its properties. We'll just have to see what happens.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    With Great Power Comes Great Greed...

    by christian66

    Nuff said. Excelsior!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    The Crow

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Sorry I didn't mention it. It rocked. Proyas needs to be put in front of the camera again.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Don't Care Who Directs, Want Fing Fang Foom!!!

    by Prague23

    I won't come if Fing Fang Foom isn't in the movie. I'll illegally download it. I don't even care. I don't have to. Show me a boxer-shorted dude turn into a dragon, something like that. Or you can count me out.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Please no more Iron Man!!

    by Sithdan

    The first one was shitty enough!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I Smell Ironman Forever coming...

    by WickedJester

  • June 11, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson

    by mr.brownstone

    that was hilarious.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Ironman & War Machine to follow

    by WickedJester

  • June 11, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Let's start the Proyas for Iron Man 2 rally.....

    by Mr. Profit

    People hate on "I Robot" because it was a Will Smith movie. I Robot was made with a more reasonable budget and looked more expensive than "Iron Man". I'm sure if the same writers were in place and Proyas was at the helm, Marvel would get more bang for their buck. And I'm sure Proyas wouldn't ask for a disgusting amount of money to do the job.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    WTF is up with the TB..

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I'm seeing posts were there were no posts....

  • June 11, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    IMPOSTER?

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I have never claimed to be you, just your son. So imposter isn't the correct term to use. Loser? Maybe.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    And the Wachowski's....

    by Mr. Profit

    For Captain America. But they would ONLY direct. Not write. Not produce. Just direct. They could either make a really good period piece or a contemporary version of the story. Screw the haters. The hotel fight scene in Speed Racer was brilliantly choreographed and filmed. It was amazingly done. Imagine a Captain America that featured fights and action like that one scene?

  • June 11, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    LaBeef fan?

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Never ever ever said that. I'm 100% HIV positive.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson

    by Series7

    Yeah because we all know that Batman Begins is the best ever? I mean look at all the vehicles they toss around!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    re: Large Dragons Wearing Boxer Shorts...

    by Rickey Henderson

    Look, if movie studios didn't give you goofy bastards a huge intergalactic purple dude with a hat that looks like the one the pope wears, then they're sure as shit not going to include a large dragon wearing boxer shorts in the next Iron Man movie. Studios don't care about your inexplicable need to see large dragons wearing boxer shorts. Studios vew you AICN geeks as consumers, not moviegoers with valuable opinions. And can you blame 'em? Here you are, clammoring for more movies featuring large dragons wearing boxer shorts. If you really feel the need to see a large dragon wearing boxer shorts, flip on Digimon or Pokemon or whatever.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Brunomac

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Yeah if the "SONOF" part doesn't tell you right away you are an idiot.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Rickey - The Amish Iron Man

    by toadkillerdog

    That was chilling man. <p> I can see Em'night right now thinking ' Hmm Pennsylvania dutch country - yeah! RDJ goes to rehab from too many Tom Collins's and BK Whoppers, on a farm. Falls in love with little amish girl played by BDH. He must protect her from hitmen so he creates armor made from the grain silos and becomes the Amish Iron Man"

  • June 11, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey doesn't follow you... Are you employing sarcasm to imply that no vehicular mayhem in Batman Begins is a good or a bad thing? (Rickey would state this it's a good thing). And what's your ultimate point?

  • June 11, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Favreau delivered the goods....

    by cookylamoo

    And should be rewarded. Unless he's getting greedy.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Son of DGDB... I wish I had 2 more hands

    by g-ride9000

    So I could give you four thumbs down<P><P>Wow you made up an account, waited for him to post, then came up with some week ass insults. Your basically sucking him off online. DGDB might be opinionated, obnoxious and obsessive about posting, but the man has style, which you do not SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • June 11, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    cap will be a period piece

    by bacci40

    its the only way to sell it to the foreign markets...avengers will open with them finding cap in the ice...so no worries about making cap tongue in cheek...we are talking nazis and ww2 here...

  • June 11, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    g-ride9000

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I don't recall throwing out any "week" ass insults. So yeah. But I agree with everything else you said.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Pay no attention. Seriously, who can't come up with their own handle without riffing on someone else's?<p>Hey look, it's Series9, Found Jarv, just mattress talk, frogsavercat, Abominable Slushy and SendingUglyBack.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Rickey Henderson

    An Amish Iron Man! Yes! It would be like "Witness," but shittier! And the big twist in the end: the trees are the bad guys, which RDJ bravely vanquishes by accidentally spilling cow's milk on them!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Rickey

    by Series7

    I'm just saying we have no idea if DK is going to end up any good. All we know is that Heathbar does follow directions.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Hawaiian Organ Donor...

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ... is awesome. Love your posts man.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Give Fav what he wants

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Your first movie is a HUGE hit, and critical success, and you shit on its director? Not good.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    INGRATES!! THE LOT OF YOU!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    After the abominations that were Daredevil, Electra, X-Movies (yeah, I said it - they all suck), Fantastic Four, Spidey 3 ... Favreau delivers an amazing fucking origin movie that was a promise of greater things to come, with a totally A-List cast ... and you haters along with David Maisal want to shoot him down? <p> I tell you what. If Favreau is jettisoned from Iron Man, then I hope every fucking superhero movie from now on is on par with FF and X3. Because y'all don't deserve better. I spit on you!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    All I care about regarding directors...

    by g-ride9000

    is that the finish product does something I like. I was surprised..to say the least....at Elf. I still didn't believe that iron man was going to be so cohesive, engaging and honest. So bring on the new talent bring on the old talent. I don't care how directs. Every time I assume that the Swingers guy's or the next under qualified director is going fuck up some huge property, I am surprised by both the successes and failures. So who said Alex Proyes or even someone Michele Gondry can't turn a out big film that satisfies my geek side.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I heard Joel Schumacher is available...

    by cinemixtape.com

    but in all seriousness, there are plenty capable directors that Marvel could get if Favreau is playing games. And let's not fool ourselves, this goes both ways. I said it before, I like Favs, but his direction and Iron Man in general is/was not untouchable.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    I DO LIKE ALEX PROYAS, HOWEVER

    by BringingSexyBack

    but Iron Man belongs to Favreau. Proyas can reboot X-Men, because that franchise was DOA. Or FF. Take your pick, lots of shit to choose from.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Series7

    by Rickey Henderson

    Again, Rickey has no idea what you're getting at with the vague talk about "heathbar following directions" but it's a pretty safe bet that unless they swap the reels in my theater for smurf porn, that yes, TDK is going to be a home run.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Amish Iron Man

    by toadkillerdog

    Rickey, perhaps we should keep quiet about this, you never know who might be trolling these TB's. Some exec could be screaming right now ' Get me Em'night!' 'I sense trees!'

  • June 11, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    THAT BRUCE LEE FIGURINE IS PRETTY AWESOME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Think I'll get one.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Brunomac

    by Rickey Henderson

    Sorry for the confusion, Rickey was kidding around. Rickey just likes typing the phrase "a large dragon wearing boxer shorts" a lot. You don't get to use that phrase as much these days...

  • June 11, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Rickey

    by Series7

    Sorry meant to say 'doesn't'. I am just saying you can't say Chris Nolan can get lucky twice in a row, let alone 3 times in a row. Name one franchise that was directed by the same person that was as good if not better each time.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Jebus!

    by DocPazuzu

    What did I just miss in here? <p> Messi, you shrill fantard, learn to stay down when you've been beaten. Seriously, how more obnoxious can you get? <p> BendersShinyAss, you really ARE one of the dumbest talkbackers ever. <p> zfisk, why don't you just fucking man up and come clean about who you are? This chickenshit, spring-loaded, anti-semite-in-a-box crap is really pathetic, even for you. Come out and play for real instead -- if you've got the balls for it. <p> I think that just about covers all bases.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    In the future Paul Verhoven shows us

    by g-ride9000

    We should share locker rooms with the ladies ala Robocop.<P><P>there is money to be made in LED nail polish ala Total Recall<P>That genius children who become doctors of medicine during puberty still have a chance to develop their psychic abilities ala Starship Troopers.<P><P>Oh yes, he also blessed upon us the ability to re-watch Saved by the Bell with new insight.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Rickey Henderson

    "Name one franchise that was directed by the same person that was as good if not better each time."<br> <br> Jackson's LOTR series fits the bill in Rickey's book.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I guess Son of DGDB left to go

    by g-ride9000

    re-watch his favorite Joe Rogan and Dane Cook stand up to come up with some more classy witticisms.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Rickey Henderson

    The Terminator movies. (not anything after Judgement Day, only the first two count as real Terminator movies).

  • June 11, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Dane Cook stand up!!!

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    The only thing that is worse than Crater Face Cook is McCain becoming president.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Rickey Henderson

    "Assploitations 3" was far superior to it's predecessor, "Assploitations 2," which was in turn better than the original "Assploitations".

  • June 11, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Favreau as a director

    by Mattyboy122

    Is pretty white bread. No voice, no style, etc. That said, he brought A LOT of passion to Iron Man. I'm hoping Favreau is brought back for the second one, but never doubt the greed of corporate suits.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Mattyboy122

    by SONOFDANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    That has to be the most racist thing I've read all day.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    dannyglover

    by Rickey Henderson

    Yeah, Rickey sees what you mean. At its core, fellowship was just a great road movie about a group of people who set out on an adventure. Then the consequences of failure and introduced and things do get a little tiring in the later movies. They become less whimsical and fun and more heavy. That means more drama and action are in the second two, but you're right, there definitely was something missing from the two sequels as far as the "fun factor" is concerned.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Dane cook can lick it

    by g-ride9000

    Also any of you on this talkback that frost, have a Ryan Seacrest haircut or use product to "spike up" your hair.

  • June 11, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    This whole thing begs the question

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    How is it that some comic movies can be made well (Iron Man, Blade 2, X2, Spidey 2) while others are flaming bags of baboon shit? When a studio is looking at a project like Ghost Rider or Electra, do they not say to themselves, "Wow, this script is garbage and this cast sucks." If starting a franchise is the goal, wouldn't it be easier to get it right the first time than to have to go back in 5 years for a reboot? Are you telling me there wasn't a class act director around that didn't want the reigns of Ghost Rider? And some competent screenwriters would could write a more riveting story?

  • June 11, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    *Iron Man II Spoiler Alert*

    by David_Maisel

    Iron Man = Pure Shit. Again, you talkbackers have no clue what a masterpiece truly is. Ever see Captain America that came out in 1991 starring Matt Salinger? It was WAY ahead of its time. Don’t worry, as soon as I get Uwe Boll to direct Iron Man II, my good friend over at Warner Brothers named Jon Peters told me to dump the Mandarin. Instead, Iron Man will fight a giant metal spider. That, and Iron Man can’t fly because it has to be more realistic.

  • June 11, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson: ASSPLOTATION

    by g-ride9000

    Their on #5 now. It's mind boggling how they just re-setting the bar higher and higher. Hollywood could learn a thing or two from the valley.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    How bout a comic book francise

    by Series7

    And T1-T2 does not a trilogy make, neither does Ghostbuster 1-2. Remember folks hollywood only works in 3's these days.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    half beard/ Don johnson look, that's cool

    by g-ride9000

    scruffy is ok I'm ok with that just not the spiky LA fag hair aka "the Douche cut". Also I like Dane Cook in one movie only. That's "Waiting" a flawed but classic look at the chain restaurant wait staff scene.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    dannyglover

    by Rickey Henderson

    Fuck the half-beard dude, just go full tilt and grow a beard. Rickey's quite fond of his well trimed 1/4 inch beard.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    DON MURPHY HAS WIEGHED IN ON THE MATTER!

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

    http://tinyurl.com/4n54pn

  • June 11, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Brunomac it's ok to have spikes If...

    by g-ride9000

    If the spike up is Krameresque, it is ok. If you are a club DJ in mexico, it is ok. If the spike-up is undyed and only in front. If you are a hipster lesbian. Everyone else is lookin' like seacrest...wake up people 2001 is over!

  • June 11, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Speaking of lesbians and haircuts

    by g-ride9000

    If you really want to impress the ladies, have a dyke cut your hair. If she likes your hair when she's done god know every straight girl will. Plus, she's been trying to make girls look angular and masculine if she learned cutting other dyke's hair. That's a double jackpot as far as I'm concerned.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Message to Marvel......

    by CloneRangerUK

    ....Iron Man is my favorite marvel character by far & the movie exceeded my expectations, this was because it had a director, stars & production staff that actually gave a damn about the source material. <p> This was a labour of love and it shows, its all there up on the screen & its as plain as day that Faverau & RDJ were an integral part of this. If you want the franchise to carry on being a success, you must bring back the original creative team, otherwise the coherence & the passion goes out of the window. <p> If you just use hacks for hire on sequels (X-Men I am looking at you), it just all goes to shit for a quick buck. Where is the X-men franchise now? Not Wolverine ( although basically Wolverine is X4 in all but name, with all the top heavy cameos), but if Singer had made X3, there probobly would have been scope for a proper X4. <p> Although in the case of Indy 4 that rule goes out of the window, as even though it was the original creative team, it had been left to stagnate for so long, so had the creative team & the coherence & passion had dried up after 19 years. <p> I have seen Iron Man 4 times now & plan to see it once more (Indy I only saw twice, the second time just to view it without the shock of the WTF have they put up on the screen factor!) - but basically, if you fuck this up with Faverau Marvel, I vow not to give you another penny of my hard earned cash ever again. You have met & exceeded what you were aiming for with Iron Man & that was no fluke, the fans arn't stupid, Iron Man was successful for a reason. We won't be passed off with something of substandard quality anymore, especially now that you are masters of your own destiny. <p> I reserve judgment on the Hulk, but it looks promising. I do hope that there are other Marvel/IM fans out there that feel the same as I do. Marvel, you stand at a crucial stage of you lives for a fledgling studio, "Don't muck it up, to make a quick buck"! <p> Apologies for the passionate rant, I don't post often, but this one comes from the heart. I have waited a long time for Marvel to get thier act together, I hope they don't fall flat on their faces, for all our sakes.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Favreau's vision for Iron Man was perfect

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Stick to the comic book for the most part, make the needed updates, and drop the crappy comic book dialogue. I'll take his vision over the trainwrecks that are the auteur driven nightmares of Raimi's Spider-Man films and Singer's X-Men.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Brunomac you're ok in my book pilgram

    by g-ride9000

    here is the funniest thing in the universe<P><P>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W19wr5rXVHk

  • June 11, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Do we Really need an Iron Man II

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If so, how about Fin Fang Foom voiced by Eddie Murphy.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Neil LaBute's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Now that would suck.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Tobe Hooper's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Directed by Steven Spielberg.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    With a 40 minute diner scene filled with pop culture trivia that goes nowhere.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Werner Herzog's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    No talking, just a lot of slow pan shots of the desert.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    John Water's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Featuring honest to goodness anal fisting.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    hurt marvel in the stocks if they dont bring back jon ...

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

  • June 11, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    P.T. Anderson's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Tony Stark vs. Dirk Diggler..who's the real playboy?

  • June 11, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    TFD'S IRON MAN

    by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION

    nothing but repulsors set to TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Harmony Korine's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Iron Man kills cats and sells them to the local mom and pop supermarket.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Mel Brook's "Iron Mensch!"

    by Rickey Henderson

    Featuring everyone's favorite musical number: "Mandarin? I Barely Know Him!" Coming soon to a theater near you! And then 10 years after that, to Broadway!

  • June 11, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Iron Man: From the director of the new

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Street Fighter movie. Starring every Iron Man character but Iron Man.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Roman Polanski's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Filmed entirely outside the U.S.!

  • June 11, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Todd Hayne's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Iron Man to be played by Cate Blanchett, Richard Gere, Christian Bale, and C.G.I. Heath Ledger. At some point Tony Stark will have a love affair with Iggy Pop.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    DOCPAZUZU

    by BringingSexyBack

    Which one is (allegedly) ZFIsk?

  • June 11, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Cameron Crowe's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Fuck plot, about about one big Iron Man music video instead?

  • June 11, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Spike Lee's War Machine

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Tony Stark is sued by Jim Rhodes for discrimination, and the settlement is that Rhodes becomes the new Iron Man...War Machine. He then proceeds to fight "the Man" (instead of the Mandarin) who will be played by Clint Eastwood.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Iron Man is whipped for two hours and crucified at the end.

  • June 11, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Wes Anderson's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Starring the Wilson brothers as an Warmonger and Iron Man, two emotionally disconnected & estranged brothers who like to fly around in metal suits! Set to music by The Kinks!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Kevin's Smith's Iron Man

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Which will only be watchable when it comes out on DVD and you get to listen to the hilarious audio commentary with Ben Affleck, Kevin Smith, Jason Mewes, and Jason Lee.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Is this story BS

    by Rustle

    Nikki Finke says so.. http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/regarding-all-those-iron-man-2-rumors/ First Moriarty says Nikki is crazy in a TB last week, now Nikki's calling this story "Internet Blather".. Who's right this time??

  • June 11, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Eli Roth's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Behold, robotic torture porn!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    A WES ANDERSON IRON MAN

    by FUCK SETH ROGEN DICKBLOOD

    could be interesting. I love me some Owen Wilson!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Nikki Finke says Favreau offered to direct IM2

    by mypostingid

    On deadlinehollywooddaily.com, as of 11:58am, "Regarding Those 'Iron Man 2' Rumors... I heard this morning that Marvel Studios boss David Maisel has put out an offer to Jon Favreau to direct the sequel. So all that Internet blather about how Marvel won't bring back Favreau for it is just b.s. It'll be Jon's choice, believe me." No details as to what the offer entails, esp. with regard to Favreau's fee. Let's hope Marvel has come to their senses and IM2 goes on with the original cast in tact.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Brett Ratner's Iron Man

    by O_Goncho

    You'll believe a man can fly... with wireworks!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Jane Campion's Iron Woman

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Starring Holly Hunter as a mute Iron Woman who spends her days sneaking away to play a piano while being chased by the Crimson Dynamo played by Harvey Keitel.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    John Sales' Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Told through vingettes from the lives of several citizens in the San Fernando Valley as Iron Man flys by one day. (Iron Man is only on screen for 7 seconds).

  • June 11, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I love how everybody's immediately...

    by TylerDurden3395

    passing judgement on a film that's nowhere near being made yet. What will happen: Marvel will be cheap. Hulk will open huge. Marvel will still be cheap. Iron Man will sell a lot of DVD's. Marvel will still be cheap. Screenwriters will be hired for Iron Man 2. Robert Downey, Jr. will want $$$ Marvel will give it to him, they will still be cheap. Favs will want $$$ they will still be cheap. Downey threatens to walk if Favs doesn't come aboard, they cave in. OR... George Clooney will be Iron Man and the Governator will be Crimson Dynamo and Marlon Wayans will be War Machine.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    TylerDurden3395

    by FUCK SETH ROGEN DICKBLOOD

    Your name is beyond queer. Fight Club? Puuuuleeeeeeease.....what is this 1999?

  • June 11, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Oliver Stone's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Only one man can blow the lid on the conspiratorial and corrupt U.S. military industrial complex, and that man is: Robert Downey Junior.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by CloneRangerUK

    I have seen many of your posts on here & wondered if you would have the urge to make a totally unnecessary comment. I am not going to get tangled up with you like many of the poor sods that you have slated in the past, but to suffice it to say there are a lot more people that have seen it a lot more times than I have & you my man are the sad one, as it appears that you have too much time on your hands as you hardly ever seem to leave this site & feel compelled to air your worthless & irrellevant views on anything or anyone. Have you actually been outside & spoken to real people in the last couple of years?

  • June 11, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I got a good laugh out of

    by Samuel Fulmer

    John Sayle's Iron Man!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Gus Van Sant's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Tony Stark, a young but troubled engineering genius must seek guidance from his mentor, Mandarin, played by Robin Williams. Rated R for poor acting and strong homosexual subtext.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    A Dangerous Game being played

    by Inside Man

    Marvel wants to keep the cost of IM2 down. They only want to spend a 10-20% more on the sequal to maximize their profits. Downey did not get payed very much on IM and would have to get a massive raise. The other main cast will also line up. The sequal would have to double the amount of action and thus the cost of VFX will skyrocket. That leaves next to nothing to reward Favreau and the people behind the camera. This is the problem. When you account for DVDs, toys and comic books Marvel will be making over a billion dollars on IM. Favreau brought an entirely new way to approach a suer hero movie. Do they dare change the mixture? Or do they feel that Downey and the writers can give them that and they can bring in their so called action Director which is much more in their own comfort zone. The problem is that IM had a script and was already going two years out. With a release date of April 2010 already on the books and no writers and no script they better get to work.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Ed Wood's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Featuring a cross dressing Tony stark and clearly visible wires when Iron man flies through the air!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Jon goes DC says FU to Marvel

    by Julian_Day

    If this is 100% true about Marvel screwing over Jon, then he should go to WB and sign on for a DC series that would compete against IronMan2 etc. That would be the ultimate F-U. Esp if it out does IM2. q. Not sure if this has been asked but would R.D. Jr. cut his contract with Marvel over this thing. I mean if it were not for Jon he wouldn't be there not to mention that they are good friends????

  • June 11, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    The Cohen Brothers Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Starring George Clooney in every role!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Fuck Seth Rogen Dickblood

    by TylerDurden3395

    I've HAD this handle since 99, when I JOINED. I don't grab currently trendy names from other talkbackers like some douches around here. *COUGH* You. *COUGH*

  • June 11, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Ingmar Bergman's Iron Man

    by Rickey Henderson

    Watch as Iron Man plays chess with Mandarin for an uninterrupted two hours!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    CloneRangerUK

    by FUCK SETH ROGEN DICKBLOOD

    Watch how you treat my namesake sweetcakes. Your posts are clumsy, desperate, and lack any real insight, so why I ask do you continue to post? <P> Leave my uncle alone you mean mean little man!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Artsy Directors

    by Series7

    I wish one of these artsy fartsy werido directors like Herzog/Harmony Korine/Lynch/Anderson/Van Sant would man up and do an action/comic book movie. Even though all of them would probably act like they are above comic books, except for Herzog who would probably say how one of his movies is actually his take on Batman and how Batman would behave if he were hypnotized and raped and woke up as Klaus Kinski. But I bet one of the heavier hitters in the art film world could get a modest sized budget to make a comic book movie. I feel that P.T. Anderson could make a hell of a Sandman movie. Though I know everyone is going to scream Ang Lee, but I want to see it done by a good Art film director, I think Lee is over rated. He's just a boring director not an art/indie type.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    No John, No Ticket

    by Luscious.868

    If he's not brought back I won't bother to see Iron Man II. We all witnessed the cinematic abortion that was X-Men III. Think of what could have been if Singer would have been at the helm. Compare that to what was produced. No John = no money. Not from me.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    series7

    by Rickey Henderson

    ...those "artsy fartsy weirdo directors" would probably never "man up" and do an action/comic book movie because they generally aren't to keen on consumerism. That's why they aren't mainstream. To make a blockbuster, you need a bland, mass market director. A Werner Herzog Batman movie? Are you insane? It would go 300 million overbudget because Herzog would insist upon building an entire Gotham city and demmand that the person to play the penguin be an actual penguin. And then Herzog would light the whole set on fire when he didn't get his way. You can see why Warner's might be a little nervous about that, yes?

  • June 11, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Iron Man II:Viva Rock Vegas

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • June 11, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    LOL @ ALL OUT FLAME WAR HERE

    by BringingSexyBack

    And it's not even a political tb.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    FELLINI'S IRON MAN

    by bobjustbob

    Why is that old man crying?

  • June 11, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    GUILLERMO DEL TORO'S IRON MENG

    by BringingSexyBack

    Jo meng, ju wong sum repulsor rays ese? Dong fuck wit da Junited Esteak of Amelica ese!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Dickblood?

    by bobjustbob

    Wow.!! And I could of had a V8. :)

  • June 11, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    dont you fucking dare call a person sad if they seen a movie mul

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    what that person does with his time is his buisness, who are you to call him sad? and it's your opinion that the movie is average at best....

  • June 11, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Rickey Henderson

    by Series7

    I'd see that, a real penguin as peguin would be awesome. I am not talking about WAY out there Artsy directors like Kormine. I mean there are plenty of comic books they can do (Ghostworld). But like the Coen Brothers/Van Sant/Anderson/Scorsee (even though he's pretty much mainstream now)/P.T. Anderson I mean look what Nolan did? Right? You like to cup his balls when he was an artsy type of director and a long shot (Insomnia?).

  • June 11, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    multiple times damn send button with no edit

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

  • June 11, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Favreau is probably necessary

    by #1 Zero

    While I don't think Iron Man had a distinct visual style, like Burton's batman, or to some extent Nolan's batman, Iron Man worked just as well as Singer's first two Xmen movies. The little things Favreau did by making as much of the effects as practical as possible was a great move, and with him you have a director who knows the material, actors, and where the movies would go next. I don't see a great alternative out there. Sure you could get someone to ape his first movie, like ratner did with X3, but the fans would know the difference. Bottom line, give favreau what he wants or both sides come to a reasonable agreement. I think favreau wants to do it as much as he wants to make any other movie, so maybe there will be some type of compromise but I do think he should get as much out of the deal as possible.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Taling about all out flame war

    by bobjustbob

    When the hell are we getting a THE FAPPENING review? I've got an itch that MUST be scratched.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    TALKING - not TALING

    by bobjustbob

    Where's the damn EDIT BUTTON!!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Typical Marvel Business Model

    by fiester

    They always tend to screw over the creatives, thinking they can farm it out on the cheap to some eager youngster looking to play with their properties.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    your right about that but i call DICKFIGHT

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    raise shields and prepare for impact......

  • June 11, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Marvel, stop the bullshit

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Well said Harry, that's exactly how I feel. Dear Marvel, I'm a long-time Marvel zombie who has decided to stop reading anything current you guys put out. Why? You lost me with Brand New Day. I'd much rather buy the omnibus' and read the reprinted material from your glory days. I was starting to warm up to you again because of the great job you did on Iron Man (and from what I hear Incredible Hulk), but if you're going to be fucking over your creators on these movies, then fuck you! I'll boycott your fucking movies, DVD's, Blu-ray's, video games, pillow cases, etc. Suck my ever lovin' blue eyed cock.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    DGDB, did you sire an "offspring" again?

    by finky089

    I know I've been gone a few weeks, but it seems you have another "fan" of sorts here -"FUCK SETH ROGEN DICKBLOOD". <p> Glad to see you're still around fighting the good fight and all. <p> And, fuck that CloneRangerUK cunt. Anyone who puts a prequel character into their handle WITHOUT making fun of it cannot be taken seriously.

  • June 11, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Too soon for Marvel to start making bad decisions..

    by Aethyrr

    ..maybe success did go to their heads

  • June 11, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 talkback deleted?

    by Prossor

    wasnt there a talkback here that had updated in red letters somewhere? WTF?

  • June 11, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    DGDB

    by finky089

    They all have penisblood envy, I guess. Funny how mobilizing your handle has been. Gotta dip out for a meeting. Peace!

  • June 11, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    joeelliot

    by finky089

    life Def Leopard in the 80's and early 90's, Harry and crew gotta eat too!

  • June 11, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    This Marvel overabundance is killing me

    by pleasebanme

    So how come aintitcool is always DOMINATED with random bullshit news on any Marvel product and consistently refuses to post news for The Dark Knight (a film that is FAR more anticipated by mainstream and fanboy audiences than this Hulk shit)? What was it guys? Did Nolan not allow you pompous nerds on the set and now you're snubbing the film?

  • June 11, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Favs never should have talked deal points on Stern

    by exie

    Favs told Howard Stern what he made on the first movie and how he was getting nothing on the back end. He tried to sound genuine and okay about it, but because of the venue and Howard asking the questions, it sounded like sour grapes about money. Then Howard started bragging about how they are going to break the bank on Fav's sequel fee and Fav's didn't exactly stop the bragging from going on. If I was an exec in an ivory tower, I could see how that interview could piss me off. It was a bad strategy move. Hopefully, getting Harry to negotiate for you on his site turns out to be a better move.

  • June 11, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Favreau is ESSENTIAL!!

    by Cpt Shaw

    When We walked out of the Movie...My Wife, who's not a big Fan of Comic Book Movies said..."when did Favreau get to be such a GREAT Director?" Come'on Marvel...WAKE UP!!!!!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    @pleasebanme

    by Malicoire

    Well, TDK is over a month away still, there's no new press about the film, the main attraction to the movie hasn't been giving interviews lately for some reason. That combined with the fact that Hulk is here and Iron Man, which pleased the fans quite well, just introduced a long term plan for movies over the next 3 years in the Avengers. Not to mention DC is pretty horrid. But I'm sure the JLA movie will feature an awesome battle between Mr. Mxyzptlk and Lobo...

  • June 11, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    It's X Men 3 all over again

    by pokadoo

    I bet they hire Bret Ratner too!

  • June 11, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    by Evangelion217

    Hey Harry! I think Marvel studio's heard you! :) Check out this link: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/regarding-all-those-iron-man-2-rumors/

  • June 11, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Two Words:

    by samsquanch

    Brett. <p> Ratner.

  • June 11, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    G4 has Frank Darabont's Indiana Jones script!

    by Goonie

    Supposedly, anyway. Read the review here (remove the spaces): http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/686188/Review_Darabonts_Indiana_Jones_IV.html#readmore

  • June 11, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    rob lowe?

    by g-ride9000

    no way!

  • June 11, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Can we get Slim Shady as Tony Stark?

    by g-ride9000

    PRETTY TONY!

  • June 11, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    An Ode to David Maisel...DONT FUCK THIS UP!!

    by riddleman1674

    Take the time to think of all your failures,...and God knows you've failed MISERABLY. Need I remind you of absolute garbage that you have produced in scores of shit cans over the years like The Fantastic Four, X-Men III, Elektra, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, etc etc.... All can be forgiven with this fresh new Marvel enema that is Iron Man & The "NEW & Incredible" Hulk! You have the opportunity to show here that cheap fucking penny pinching greedy corporate douchebags like yourself really have half a brain and can actually do we the fans justice while still lining the deep pockets of your fat oblvious executive ass with millions. Or you can take the bitch made way out and continue on your streak of ass raping your wallet with a double Cosmic Silver Dildo that runs off of fuel provided by the very bullshit you keep showering on the masses of moviegoers and fanbase who's numbers dwindle every time due to bad movie blindness. Let the poetry soak in, dearest asshole who makes the decisions. For you, from the heart... Love, The Fans

  • June 11, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    SendingUglyBack

    by OptimusCrime

    Whoever posted that as a hypothetical user name has struck comedy gold. Cheers, my friend.

  • June 11, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    update on IESB

    by stickmangrit

    evidently they're getting word of movement within Marvel to get in contact with Favs ASAP. this may not go south yet folks.

  • June 11, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Marvel doesn't need this hack

    by INWOsuxRED

    THEY HAVE ANT-MAN IN THE PIPELINE!

  • June 11, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    To Whom It My Concern

    by InstantClassic

    I'm going to do my best to write this as cleanly and professionally as possible, as much as I might want to call people at Marvel various nicknames for penis. I saw Iron Man for the second time on Saturday. I walked out of it as I did the first time. Giddy. You know, the same feeling I had when I left X-Men II. And you know what happened the next time I saw the X-Men on screen? I left indifferent. "Hey, that was alright, I guess." Is Iron Man 2 the easiest sell in the world right now? Without reviving Heath Ledger for the third Batman movie, I'd say yeah, it is. But if you put it in the hands of a new director who won't do have the job Faveru did with the first film, then guess what? All the Marvel films following it won't be as easy of a sell. Iron Man 3 will be laughed at. The Avengers movie won't be taken as seriously. Etc Come on you guys. There's a strong track record with comic movies getting majorly screwed up when you switch a forumula that works. Why test it? Give the man the money he has earned and sit back count your obscene amounts your gonna make as long as the films stay quality.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Give Ratner a break Harry

    by oscarmike

    good Lord you were calling him an idiot when you found out he was doing the movie then every idiot joined you in that. years after the movie has come out you still drag his name in the mud. and so what if Favreau isn't back. Alien was a great movie made a great director, and in Aliens despite the oppostion from the crew and fanboys it was also another great one. take your pretentious head out of ass and stop sucking up to everyone you think is holy. you've become the very thing that this website set out not to be. you throw praise on mediocre movies simply because the director is a pal of yours and you're so afraid to have Hollywood hate you that you'll jump to their defense feel free to ban me or throw insults at me. I'm done with this website

  • June 11, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    If Marvel Reads Any Of This...

    by seanny_d

    The reason I went to see Iron Man three times? Because it was a GOOD MOVIE. You know how you're going to continue to make lots and lots of money? By making GOOD MOVIES that are creatively advancing the story. Not by pulling off a director who was most responsible for the overall success of this film. <p>I'm sure that's what everyone else in this talkback is saying, but I had to add in mine as well in the off chance this gets back to Marvel and they do something about it.

  • June 11, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay's Ironman already exists

    by br1947

    It's called "Steel" and starred Shaq

  • June 11, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    UPDATE - No truth to the rumors ...

    by Crestfallen

    Nikki Finke of Deadline Hollywood posted the following: http://tinyurl.com/5ghfm9. This sounds much more reasonable.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    AICN a fucking disgrace

    by g-ride9000

    WHY?<P><P>because you post something that is a shitty rumor. Shitty rumors come from shitbag sources and that's not cool. This rumor was so fake it was busted up in 14 hours. Fucking reprehensible.<P><P>The real slimy element of this irresponsible "REPORTING" is that this sort of bad journalism could create unnecessary tension during the real negotiation that haven't taken place.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    You guys are never happy

    by FilmZ0mbie

    First you want the site covering more shit, now it's too much. This was a big ass rumor. This is a movie news website where most of the major stories are first considered rumors. Cut them some slack.

  • June 11, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    MARVEL would be making a HUGE mistake....

    by JDanielP

    ...which would have ramifications for decades. DO NOT change direction. Learn from the past. (And yeah, learn from Pixar, too.) -Here's to hoping that these "rumors" are ONLY that...and are completely false.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Jack Colby

    by Crestfallen

    Sure, I'd buy that. I'm just glad Marvel is moving. I'd considered that maybe they'd wait till Monday to see the Hulk returns ...

  • June 12, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by trojanwilliams

    Wow...you just totally sold my point. Thanks.<br><br> I thought I had made it clear in my VERY FIRST SENTENCE that I was addressing the fact that NONE of you here (and that includes myself) are heads of major corporations. I appreciate your hard work, your rise to a position of power and the fact that you're defensive about your negotiation ability - but the post was not a critique of YOUR skills as an owner of an up and coming injection molding company. <br><br>Negotiating the contracts you do on a daily basis and running a major motion picture production house are two vastly different things. I never said your negotiations were less important or pointless - just not at the same scale. <br><br> What I really don't get though is that you basically agreed with my point in your first sentence by stating that you didn't run a major corporation (and therefore had no clue what negotiating a 150 million film entails) and yet still proceeded to post a childish expletive laden retort that made no sense at all...So you still don't run a major corporation but you do negotiations? Congrats - too bad it has nothing to do with my post. I was talking about large multi-million dollar companies. Let me restate - no one here runs a major corporation and therefore has any clue as to what's going on behind closed doors. Movies are a very risky and high cost business and one bad move/deal can bring down an entire studio/production company. I doubt one bad hire/account would bring your fledgling company to it's knees. Jon Favreau will probably clear more after taxes in 2008 for Iron Man and Iron Man 2 than your company's gross profit last year. So stop trying to pretend like because you negotiate 6 figure contracts it makes you a whiz -kid. I do the same thing everyday and that's why I made the post - cause I'm willing to accept that I have no idea what it takes to close a film deal worth 200+ mill.<br><br> Cum dumpster? Really? Was that supposed to make me cry or run and hide? Do you use that mouth to close your mid-level negotiations? <br><br>You're a child in an executive's body...

  • June 12, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    It's always sad...

    by SlickyVonBoner

    when business trumps art. stupid business men don't realize talent=$$$. That's why Hollywood sucks so much lately.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    you guys are quick to spend Marvel's money

    by Rupee88

    I guess I agree with you in spirit, but know one knows what Favs is asking.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Re: Pixar...they really did reward John Lasseter

    by Rupee88

    That guy was given stock options that made him a kajillionaire...I mean $100+ million rich. So they sure did take care of their best talent and he probably did help guide their later successes.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    iron man sucked

    by chipps

    ...oh, who am i kidding? It was great.

  • June 12, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    longest...talkback...ever

    by sweeneydave

  • June 12, 2008, 7 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by just pillow talk

    Please learn to read. It was not I who was saying X3 was great, it was Bender. He listed out points where he thought X3 succeeded, and then I responded with why I had problems with those points.<p>And I work for Ratner? How fucking stupid are you, really?

  • June 12, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    I agree with Jobacca

    by Reelheed

    It's all about bank. People with creative intrest dont run companies as big as Marvel - accountants do. And stockholders. These people dont give a rats ass about longevity when it is placed next to year-on-year growth. So, with early investment you establish your brand. After that each Marvel studios production has to look to increase the return percentage. An easy way to do that is to squeeze your outgoings as low as possible. So get cheap ass directors, reduce pre-production and have less fx time. Its a crying shame BUT however I2 comes to the screen its sure to make a tonne of cash. However it's still early days and maybe it'll turn out ...not... terrible. Also agree with Seph_J - harry, if you need a proof reader...

  • June 12, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    would i accept another director?

    by badboymason

    Of course, if it were a guy on the level of Singer, Nolan, Cameron, Spielberg, even fucking Bay, but it won't be, the only reasons they would find to ditch Favreau would be money and/or they want someone who does action "better" in their minds- ie some hack like Rob Cohen, Mark Steven Johnson, Stephen Sommers, Tim Story or Ratner... A better director would be too expensive for them, so their only alternative would be a hack. Apart from that though it just stinks of disloyalty and ingratitude on the part of Marvel. It is to a lesser extent the same short-term penny pinching attitude that caused New Line to fuck over Peter Jackson and almost lose the chance of him making the hobbit for them. Keeping the talent that made you a success in the first place happy and onboard will bring you quality product and much higher longterm profits than ditching them to save a couple million. And finally, to those dismissing Favreau's part in making IM a smash hit - casting, script and tone are 90% of a film, he nailed all three, maybe mis-stepped on the action and the final battle, but so did Nolan on Batman Begins and he was given a pass. Get the rest right and people don't even notice that there was not much action - they were still entertained.

  • June 12, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    "except for Herzog"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    "except for Herzog who would probably say how one of his movies is actually his take on Batman and how Batman would behave if he were hypnotized and raped and woke up as Klaus Kinski."<p>LOL. Sam Fulmer and Rickey Henderson, thanks for keeping the scene alive!

  • June 12, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    joeelliott

    by Series7

    Hahahahahahahaha I think thats the first time I've ever really laughed at a post. Like had to control my laughing because I am at work.

  • June 12, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Series7

    Hey that Herzog quote was mine. Rickey came up with Herzog using real peguins as the peguine.

  • June 12, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Jack Colby smells like poopee

    by g-ride9000

    how's that for immature.

  • June 12, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Brunomac

    by Series7

    All hail the almighty that is the office cube! And the strength of the alt+tab function! And praise Allah for the internet! <P> Seriously? What did people do at work before the interwebs? Also I agree fuck english major stoners who sit at .... hahahah my boss ALMOST caught me! home worrying about proper grammar.

  • June 12, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • June 12, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    g-ride9000

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i have no idea what your "Jack Cloby smells like poopee" comment is referring to, i can't be bothered to track down the beginnings of it, but it made me laugh out loud.

  • June 12, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    GWEO he said i was immature for

    by g-ride9000

    hating on AICN for posting the fakest rumor ever. Also he doesn't like my "grown-up words".

  • June 12, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    OptimusCrime

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    SendingUglyBack? That would be me. I drop comedy gold once in a while, or so other TBers tell me.<p>With regards to MiraJeff, I used the rectum quivering device known as the AICN search engine and came across his reviews but nothing about his downfall. I read a bunch of his old reviews and I gotta say, it's not like his were any different from Harry's (in fact he was much more credible) so I'm not sure why TBers eviscerated him.<p>And by the way, the 22-year old temp in my office is standing at the printer and I'd give my left nut to take her back into the storage room and fill her with the original White Out.

  • June 12, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Mmmmmmmmmm.......

    by DaBUU

    22 year old temps.........

  • June 12, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Where the fuck is our Hulk talkback?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Come on, the Cool News, I've just seen it, I'm all excited to talk about it, and all there is is a thread some asshole is pooping all over.<p>Anyone want to talk about The Incredible Hulk and how awesome it is?

  • June 12, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Actually Sidius...

    by saddael

    I'm head of Weyland-Yuntani

  • June 12, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    We ar eth more successful sibling of Weyland-Yutani *ahem*

    by saddael

  • June 12, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Franklin

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    I suggest you use Quint's review as your opportunity to talk about the Hulk. It's currently the top TB so I'm sure there are plenty of people in there waiting to rip your opinions apart.

  • June 12, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Quipped Hawaian Organ Donor

    by saddael

  • June 12, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks, Hawaiian

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    But there's some asshole kid in there spamming the shit out of the thread with a bunch of 'Hulk Smash' nonsense. That's why it's the top thread - the attack of the bored teenager.<p>I was hoping for a 'What did you think?' thread, similar to the ones they put up for Iron Man and Indy, but maybe it's too early.

  • June 12, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by just pillow talk

    Sorry for the insult, that was rather uncalled for. I wouldn't want you to start liking Ratner.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Eric the Clown...

    by Kid Z

    ...was Favreau? Never knew that.

  • June 12, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Slim Shady's...

    by Kid Z

    ...gotten fat! Dude's gone all Axel and is supposedly weighing in at around 250+ now. Besides, he was only in like one movie and in that one he basically played himself.

  • June 12, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Ha! Indeed....

    by just pillow talk

    A battle that must not be lost...

  • June 12, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    change the release date

    by u.k. star

    If you really can't work out for Fav to direct the iron man sequal, then why not save that for AFTER the Avengers and get Fav to direct Avengers? With the Nick Fury set up on Iron Man and the follow UP Tony Stark in Incredible Hulk there's no reason you have to do anoher Iron man before Avengers. Shoot Iron man II and Avengers back to back even. Surely one of their other movies can be made for summer 2010without scheduling conflicts? Incredible Hulk II maybe?

  • June 12, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    the point to remember...

    by jackofhearts29

    is the reason Iron Man was such a huge success was that it brought in the comic geeks and pleased them, AND it brought in the NON-geeks and pleased them. IN QUANTITY. It did that with QUALITY: quality acting and quality writing. A mediocre superhero movie like the weak tea of marvel's Marvel's past (Elektra, Ghost Rider...) will always bring in the geeks... they'll see it, and complain, but they WILL see it. But these won't get the hard numbers of people who are just out for a summer blockbuster. They will stay away in droves from any obscure character.. unless TALENT (acting, writing, a name and SKILLED actor) delivers. That's the key to Marvel getting, and keeping, a larger audience, and it's why Favreau and Downey ARE the key to Iron Man's success. Marvel may think the comic community will eat up any gruel they pour out the nozzle, but they won't ever rack up the big money like Iron Man if they continue to think that way.

  • June 12, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    DAVID MAISEL EAT SHIT AND DIE!

    by thegrayghost

    It's corporate fucktards like you that fuck up film franchises! Look at X3 (Brett Ratner ... need I say more? DAMN YOU RATNER!) and Spidey 3 (Studios pressured spineless Raimy into including Venom, therefore compromising the entire movie)! But of course you wouldn't see it as that. You look at numbers. Those 2 movies were successful films right ... I mean look at the total worldwide box office. Well, numbnuts, I guarantee you if they plan a sequel, it will not do as well. Even if IM2 did well and was directed by someone else cheap, IM3 will flop. Think about it, Ironman was never a household name to begin with. It could just as easily flopped. The only reason it was a big hit with legs is because of Favreau, his respect for the material and the fans, and his decision to bring in RDJ. And now, you're going to take advantage of that shit aren't you? And probably give yourself a raise so you can bang expensive hookers daily! You greedy and sick fuck. Marvel Studios just started and you're already fucking around with the talent you have? What the hell is a matter with you? What a great way to scare away future talent, but I guess you are banking on their desperation right? What's a few million more ... it is Hollywood isn't it? I mean how much is your stupid ass being paid Mr. Maisel? So your 1st movie (Ironman) does well and suddenly you're a genius? You owe that shit to Favreau you prick! What justifies your paycheck? PAY FAVREAU THE MONEY HE DESERVES FOR IRONMAN 2 AND LOCK HIM IN FOR A THIRD IRONMAN MOVIE. Guaranteed 2-3 billion franchies ... Nuff said! Oh, BTW, DAVID MAISEL, EAT SHIT AND DIE!

  • June 12, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Marvel Wants a Comicbook Tentpole Every Year

    by thegrayghost

    They're not thinking of quality ... they could care less. Think about it ... Marvel is limited on the type of movies they can produce because they can only do Marvel superhero movies. They only have a finite number of movie-caliber type of heros to choose from. They want to be able to justify their paychecks on a yearly basis (I'm looking at your STUPIDASS MAISEL!). Soooo, they want to quickly produce and release a big Marvel movie at least once a year. I think that is part of the reason FUCKTARD Maisel doesn't like Favreau. It's not just the money. He wants Favreau to make him a Ironman movie for the year he specified. They need a movie filler that year and cannot understand why it would take longer to make a movie. I mean look at TALENTLESS SELLOUT RATNER. He was able to do exactly what the studio wanted. It is not easy to be able to appeal to both the fanboys and mainstream audience. Favreau was able to do that and now he is getting ass-fucked. The Marvel Board of Directors should fire his ass. I wonder who is on that board?

  • June 12, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    David Maisel DOES ONE SUCCESSFUL MOVIE AND THINKS HE IS A GENIUS

    by thegrayghost

    Check out his resume: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2588950/ How the hell did he get his job? Marvel Board, please remove his ass before he fucks up your potential franchises. I thought the one of the points of having your own studio and producing your own films is to avoid cunts like that!

  • June 12, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU DAVID MAISEL!

    by thegrayghost

    Damn you! I always wanted to do one of those! :P Oh, the only smart decision he ever made was to hire Favreau in the first place.

  • June 12, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    im conflicted

    by slkboxrman

    while id like to say that if the script is awesome it makes no difference who directs it, i would never want to say that it makes no difference who directs transformers 2 if the script is good....i want michael bay !!! .....so i guess i understand when people get upset at marvel for not wanting to pay farveau ....marvel is like a cocky baseball player thats 2 for 2, thinkin hes gonna hit everything else...but in reality hes only had 2 at bats in his whole career...he really should be lookin at his minor league stint(pre-marvel studios movies)where he was a less than stellar player...

  • June 12, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I don't want a sequel so soon

    by Batman_Cape

    Give this one time to digest. Say three years.

  • June 12, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    by Thunderbolt Ross

  • June 12, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Series 7

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    My bad on the quote. 'Twas genius but I was scrolling back and forth looking for the name amongst a lot of funny stuff. The penguin thing was funny too, and actually I'd like to see it hahahha

  • June 12, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah

    by Series7

    I would like to see a Bizarro World movie.

  • June 12, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Jon is God

    by Powerring

    He made IM the way it should be. respectful, brilliant and it holds up to multiple viewings. It exceeded expectations in every way to the tune of over 1/2 billion worldwide. DO NOT fuck this up by handing the sequel over to some turd hack. Remember how Richard Lester fucked up Superman II? He's no Donner, and it shows. I don't want to see a sequel with iron man in Niagara falls tripping over a pink bear rug, or using some power he never had in the comics.

  • June 13, 2008, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Marvel won't make R rated movies....

    by Fortunesfool

    ...but they'll happily sell the spider-man image to online gambling sites. 'Hey Kids,it's okay, Spidey has an online gambling debt too, but don't watch violent movies! They'll corrupt your young minds'. WTF!!!

  • June 13, 2008, 5:59 a.m. CST

    So Upset I Wrote the Corporate Offices

    by ClubMixxer31

    I was just peeking in to see how the Happening was reviewed and I am floored by the news that Marvel is mis-treating Jon "the money maker" Favreau. I remember those days in comics when Marvel lost so much talent to other companies because of their disregard. I wrote letters HANDWRITTEN LETTERS mind you to Marvel corporate offices letting them know it's is in their (and our) best interests to ink a long term deal with Favreau. I would encourage others to do the same

  • June 13, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Per Favreau

    by Jack Parsons

    Jon Favreau, on his MySpace page, states that 1) Marvel hasn't contacted him yet about anything, 2) the executives are busy making sure the Hulk is a success right this moment, and 3) he doesn't know if the speeded up schedule that Marvel has given [to the financial community] - two years to make the next IM - is possible with the quality that a 3-year production time gave him. Oh yeah, 4) He doesn't even have a script, or a writer, or even what the movie would be about. Point is, I doubt that the universe is about to collapse for the greed of Marvel. It may be simply because Marvel wants the Cap-IM-Thor-Avengers movies released at periods of at most one year.Favreau may not be able to make IM2 so quickly, so they may move on to another director. Yes, this happened with Singer and the Superman/X3 scheduling conflicts. 'twasn't greed, just that Singer got the Superman offer he couldn't refuse, and the studio wouldn't/couldn't wait for him to come loose.

  • June 13, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Just switch the movie dates around

    by EastcoastAvenger

    Make 2010 the year for Thor and Cap & 2011 IM2 and Avengers. This way we are introduced to 2 more new heros sooner & Favreau would have the time he needs to prepare for the next Iron Man. It might even make some sence for him to be able to film IM2 and Avengers back to back. Just sayin...

  • June 14, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    In the words of Gorgeous George...

    by BirdMcMonster

    OH YOU BASTARD. Favreau is ther reason Marvel has a frickin shot at the title right now.

  • June 14, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    ...this will get ugly.

    by BirdMcMonster

    I HATE fuckin pikeys (substitute bonehead executives).

  • June 14, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    What a shock! The Marvel brass are STILL total cocks!

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Harry, you just don't get it, do you? You said: "MARVEL should look back at their own Comic History - their history of fucking over the talent and artists that created much of their library often resulted in those artist leaving the company."<p>Harry, you're missing the point. They ARE looking at their history and you're missing the point: They DON'T give a shit because past history HAS rewarded them. The bottom line: Marvel has remained the Number 1 comic company and sure there have been ups and downs, but what allows the corporate bean counters to sleep soundly at night is the fact that geeks buy the X books no matter who is doing them. And if sales drop, fine, they'll bring in the next person who's currently the hot stud in comics, and when they ask for more money or have creative differences then Marvel will say "Bring in the next stud!" And the reason they get away with that is because there are always going to be creators in comics...or even transplanted Hollywood people (I'm looking at you, Whedon)...who will gladly step up to the plate and eat the shit that Marvel is serving up for a sizeable upfront check.<p>Do I like it? Fuck no. Certain suits at Marvel deserve to burn in Hell for the way they cheated true geniuses like Kirby or Ditko or others out of the money they were rightly due. Do I wish Marvel would act different? Hell, yeah. Who wouldn't like to see creators treated with proper respect and given PROPER financial compensation or royalty rates for their creative contributions.<p>But do I expect Marvel and it's brass...from the movie division to even Quesada running the comic division to pull their heads out of their asses and to actually DO these things? Hell no. They're too busy cashing their own checks and living high on the profits of things like IRON MAN to worry about doing what's actually RIGHT for people like Favreau or anyone else.

  • June 14, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Marvel/studio assheads listen!

    by Violator90

    What’s the point? Let’s look at the facts: 1) IRON MAN was deemed from the START that it would not successes. That feeling alone can make any one think twice, especially when it’s making a movie. Seeing how Marvel didn’t have enough faith in its own property, that mentality right there really SCREAMS a shit load about how Marvel cares about its fans as well. 2) IRON MAN; by enlarge he’s not a big name that the general public knows well, unlike Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Hulk. It could have easily go down the sewer the way DAREDEVIL, GHOSTRIDER and MAN-THING (yes I was the one of the unfortunate to rent it) went. Nuff said on that. 3) The director is as important as the actors and the crew of the film. Example; LOTR. Pete Jackson had the passion and respected the source material and it showed. When the director leads like that, the actors follow suit. Jackson chose actors that fit the characters and NOT flavor-of-the-month actors; which again a lot of these fucking suits are doing. Imagine some one else leading LOTR, would it have come out worse or better? To be honest I would think worse, just becoz Jackson went above and beyond for Rings and in turn EVERYONE involved in the movie did too. When the hell has this happened? Very, very, very rarely and we all know this! Would Raiders of the Lost Ark be the same without Spielberg or Lucas? Hell, at best it would have been just another action movie and nothing more. Would Indy have worked with Tom Selick? Hell no. Would Darth Vader be as cool of a bad guy if James Earl Jones refused to voice him? OH HELL NO! I cannot imagine ANY ONE but James Earl Jones voicing Vader. Some one brought up the situation with Donner and the SUPERMAN movies. Look what happened. Donner made the studio assheads a hit and was going for a second hit when the fuckers took him out of Supes 2 and; for all intended purposes, clustered fucked the movie into a WTF? movie. So yes, every person that was involved in IRON MAN is important so changing the formula is a proven crapfest waiting to happen. And again, IRON MAN was never suppose to be a hit, yet to this day over a moth later its STILL doing will while other movies would have been just getting ready for DVD rentals. 4) and what sees to be Marvel’s love is screwing the people that helped. From the comics to the movies Marvel is just shitting on itself. Of course we would love to see IRON MAN 2 in 2010 but if it means that the quality and integrity that made the first is compromised or just taken away, then I have no problem in waiting for a sequel that equals or rivals the first. Jon Favreau, did what the assheads at Marvel thought he couldn’t do—make not just a hit movie but a TRUE blockbuster. By blockbuster I mean: a movie in which the story, the acting and the FX are so well done that one is surprisingly enjoys it above one’s expectations and would not mind watching it once more or more. AND makes a shit load of money as well. (That’s my definition at least.) Nowadays all studio assheads think is a blockbuster is if it makes X millions $$s, even if the story sucks, or that acting suck, or FX sucks, or the director/actor/producer/etc, aren’t right, or all of those in one suck. But as long as it makes X mil, it’s a “blockbuster.” Just becoz it made 100 mil or whatever, doesn’t make it a “blockbuster.” That just means that its popular. So Marvel and studio assheads, whoever the fuck is in charge: negotiate with Favreau and get him. Work with him and try to accommodate the guy, he knows what he’s doing and he proved it. Becoz if you don’t its almost a guarantee that RDJ won’t be involved either.

  • June 15, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Does Marvel realize...

    by ChuckImania

    Not re-signing Favreau is a blatant dick smack to every person that has ever set their hands on a comic book. Not re-signing Favreau screams that Marvel cherishes the quick buck over the quality of their brand. Not re-signing Favreau only ensures that some dipshit like Michael Bay will get the job and shit all over the project.

  • June 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Latest Batman Pics...

    by Traveler 27

    this one alone has me jazzed to the gills. holy fuckin' shit. <br><br> http://tinyurl.com/4hjsvh <br><br> better catch up, AICN

  • June 16, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Harrys arguements extremely flawed

    by Nabster

    First of all one cannot compare comics to films. Anyone with talent can operate in the medium of comics by creating his or her own content, however, in film one needs capital, and monetary backing, thus I don't think Marvel is concerned with Favereu leaving and creating his own content. I think Marvel rightly realises it doesn't matter whom directs these films, they are formulaic action films created for teens and kids, these are the kind of films a studio has no problem finding a director for.

  • June 16, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Brian Singer this baby!

    by Damien Chowder

    He will make Iron Man black suited. Tony Stark will be played by Giovanni Ribisi cos he ain't what you would expect! There will be lots of moody monotone talking and gradual minor build ups to some minimalist action. Famke Jensen will be Pepper Pots. Obidia will return because this will be a homage Favereau's Iron Man Mythos. I cannot wait!

  • June 16, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    how would they know raimi couldnt do spidey 3?

    by BurgerKing

    I mean what Harry is saying, once the talent runs dry then change directors, but people here are giong "oh man they shouldnt have had Raimi do Spidey 3" WTF? Spidey 1 and 2 were great, so yeah they'd keep him around, how'd they know the third would suck. And if inside reports are any indication, it wasn't his fault anyway. <p> Either way, now is the best time to "switch horses" with Spiderman. <p> As for the Fav, I'd be disappointed if he didn't come back, but I don't think it would necessarily spell the end of Iron Man. I think him and Downey have great chemistry from what I've heard from behind the scenes. But Downey is a great enough actor that he could do a great performance no matter the director.

  • June 16, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    The Spider-Man 3 train wreck

    by -888

    If I understand correctly, the studio got heavily involved in meddling with the story and rogues gallery of #3. Raimi fought like hell against the inclusion of Venom. It was the last thing he wanted to do and he was given no choice in the matter. Bitterly, he turned in a total steaming pile of shit, took his money and walked. He was not happy about the experience or the result, which is why until recently he continued to insist that he had little interest in directing another. He changed his tune only recently. This is what I've heard, and this is the best explanation I can think of for the hideous dip in quality for that Spidey 3. The lesson in all this? Trust the artists who turn in a strong, solid, successful product. PAY 'EM A REASONABLE WAGE, STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY AND DON'T MEDDLE. Iron Man wasn't life changing but it was darn good, and it made a pile of money. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Jesus Christ, they already fucked Jack Kirby.... how many times are they gonna go cultivating bad kharma? Unbelievable. Dark Knight is going to rock like a motherfucker.

  • June 20, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Ughhhh

    by getula70

    To all you fucktards that keep saying Ironman was the best reviewed Superhero movie of all-time get yer facts straight its tied with Spidey 2 at 93%. I liked Ironman but really it wasnt better than Spidey 1 or 2. The Hulk was better than Ironman in all honesty but thats just my opinion

  • June 20, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    getula70

    by just pillow talk

    I disagree, I think Iron Man > Spidey 1 most definitely, and even probably better than Spidey 2. The reason? RDJ is much better in the Tony Stark role vs. Tobey in the Parker role.<p>I haven't seen Hulk yet, so I can't speak to where that movie fits in.