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Trailer for VALKYRIE Conspires To Involve Us In Its Plot!

Hey folks, Harry here... The screenplay for VALKYRIE is outstanding. The cast and talent impeccable. Yet, there's all this bad word of mouth swirling around the film. Primarily because of it moving from this Holiday season, to next year in the Winter. But was this because the film is trash... or does this have more to do with what happened with LIONS FOR LAMBS last year? An excellent star-studded film buried by higher profile Holiday content. Perhaps moving to the Winter... perhaps it will give them a place to call their own for the film. I am highly anticipating this film. I've yet to hear from someone that has actually seen the film, it could be awful... I just don't think so. Will they do an Awards run for New York and L.A.? With a general release in February? We'll have to see. I like the trailer...

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  • June 8, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Still don't care

    by mrfan

    Nothing about this excites me.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Wow so we beat Gone??

    by unuseddraft


  • June 8, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by odo19

    This movie will suck balls by the way.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by Darth Dean

    prolly not...

  • June 8, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by palooka_boy

    looks badass

  • June 8, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by palooka_boy

    way past first

  • June 8, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    And why no German accents?

    by Darth Dean

    Kinda makes Cruise stick out like a sore thumb when he can't pronounce his "Saugen Sie meine Kugeln Hitler!"

  • June 8, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    You know what would help Valkyrie!

    by unuseddraft

    A t-rex wielding a broadsword.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Why do Germans speak with American accents...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...and entirely in English?

  • June 8, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Nazi Pirates vs. American Ninjas?

    by PirateEmery

    Seriously, why are they all speaking American English? At least they could have done English with a bad German accent... Shit...

  • June 8, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Looks good, but...

    by memento108

    where's his accent? Thought he was supposed to have one...

  • June 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    well we know how it ends

    by Rupee88

    yeah it didn't mess up titanic but we know they don't kill hitler which takes away some dramatic tension.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    The lack of German accents is just too much for me

    by IndustryKiller!

    It really takes me out of it from the get go. The question is why?? I could see when it's something like ancient Rome, why they would just give everyone a British accent because who knows what the hell people sounded like then and British is enough to let you know that it's a foreign land. But German isn't some kind of impossible accent. Not only that but they have the accent of the very people the Nazis were fighting. It just seems like a cheat to me. Not to mention everyone is British EXCEPT Tom Cruise who, by comparison, sounds so ridiculously American. At least make it consistent, pick ONE accent that everyone should use.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    It's like

    by medicatedmonkeyDUDE

    when Harrison Ford was on Letterman talking about that submarine movie he made, the widowmaker or something. and Letterman asked him why all the Russians spoke english. The dude walked off. haha

  • June 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Old News

    by Kasch

    We saw this trailer over six months ago.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I mean, we could always suspend disbelief and just say...

    by memento108

    that they ARE speaking German, it's just we hear it as English, but...come on, WTF?

  • June 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    If Mel Gibson directed, he'd have 'em speaking German

    by Jackie Boy

    But I guess they figured it would be best not even bothering with accents than shitty ones. Makes sense really.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by Randall Flagg

    Read your history! Everybody knows this movie will only suck one ball.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    When Harrison Ford make "K-19 the Widowmaker"...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...the producers kept sending notes saying they wanted to use American accents fearing that the Russian accents would scare away the American movie going public. I'm guessing the producers had a hand in this strange choice of American accents in "Valkyrie".

  • June 8, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    how do they expect us to get into this

    by theBigWasted

    when they can't even be bothered to TRY some german accents? hell, why even don the Nazi uniforms? why not just have TC up there in his bermudas. we'll get the idea.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise is a decent actor...

    by C Legion

    but he looks horribly miscast in this. In fact the whole thing looks like shit, too "Hollywood".

  • June 8, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Hive minds

    by Bobo_Vision

  • June 8, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    I think the lack of German accents is a good thing. The film is produced primarily for an American audience and has been done in English... I think it would be annoying to have to listen to the english speaking actors all faking German accents for 2 hours.... especially given that it doesn't make the film any more authentic. After all, the real people would have been speaking in German, not in English with German accents. That being said, I wasn't too taken by what I saw... it looked a little goofy. That eyepatch... i don't know about that Tom.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Oh and Lions for Lambs was pretty bad.

    by IndustryKiller!

    Cruise's character was completely two dimensional, doing nothing but spouting off Republican talking points. And I love how they try to make it sound like Meryl Streep's editor is such an asshole for just wanting her to print the facts of the conversation. Isn't that a journalists job? If she wants to write an op-ed piece she should do it after the actual story. And I can tell Robert Redford why my generation isnt rioting in the streets. The draft. FORCE people to fight in this war and you'll see that turn around quick. "Why aren't you kids rioting?" is not the right question to ask, this isn't Vietnam. Not to mention the ending was so hammy with the two soldier basically committing suicide that it lost all credibility. By the way I'm a liberal.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Phaedrus, the accents are a tool of immersion

    by IndustryKiller!

    It's a way to bring people into the world these guys live in. That world is Germany, not only that but Nazi Germany, which automatically comes with certain connotations and British and American accents isn't one of them. Without German accents it's going to be impossible to forget that you're watching a movie. It might be a good story, but one that you can't immerse yourself in.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    This looks good

    by Jimbo08lak

    Even without proper accents.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    ps. superman returns is one of the worst movies

    by theBigWasted

    EVER MADE. brian singer has absolutely zero credibility at this point. i wish t'wern't so but t'tis.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Bad German accents would piss me off more!

    by slugbat

    Well, they would. My mom is German, and her accent pisses me off too. Goddamnit Mom, be fucking American, ya goddamn Nazi.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I can't get over the lack of accents

    by mefrog

    Or even the English language. Meh. Everyone go watch DOWNFALL instead, what a fucking brilliant WWII movie.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Winter 2009

    by mascan42

    So why does the brand-new trailer still say Summer 2008?

  • June 8, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Starring TOM CRUISE, with an american accent!

    by Mike_D


  • June 8, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D

    Kevin Costner with no english accent as robin hood, haha.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    German accents

    by MIkeYH

    are annoying anyway. Besides, like someone already said, if they were really German they'd be speaking in German.. not "with a German accent". Anyway, if Cruise did have a German accent in this you all would be hating on him for how shitty it is.. even though it would be a thousand times better than you could do. I think the trailer looks pretty cool, but I guess it's not a Pixar movie so I wouldn't expect most of you to like it.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    No accents means the star can't do one

    by mascan42

    So they don't have anybody do one so the star doesn't seem out of place.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Skip Valkryie

    by Jackie Boy

    Watch Downfall instead.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    To those complaining about the lack of German accents...

    by JackIsLost

    Kirk Douglas played a Frenchman in Stanley Kubrick's "Paths of Glory" but didn't bother with the accent. It would have been even more distracting for him to have tried it. So purists can complain about Americans playing various Europeans and there is so validity to that argument but Douglas gave a GREAT performance, accent or not. That said, I have LOW expectations for this film... not b/c of any of that or even b/c of that constantly changing release date but rather b/c it's Bryan Singer and he has something to prove. His last movie was the almost unbearable "Superman Returns" and the last time he dealt with Nazis, it was the completely unbearable "Apt Pupil". Here's hoping this one is better. I can't imagine it being much worse. (I like his "X-MEN" movies though, so I guess there is hope...)

  • June 8, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Soo, they reshot this w/o German accents??

    by wilsonfisk89

    humor me

  • June 8, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    They did this story well in War & Remembrance

    by jim

    But I think I first saw it re-enacted on Unsolved Mysteries or some such show. <p>Cruise is miscast here. He just doesn't seem to have the gravitas to pull off the role. Cruise's portrayal seemed similar to one we've seen before. I kept wondering when he would ask Hitler to tell him the truth and did he order the code red and to show him the money.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    excellent trailer

    by jimmiescoffee

    im confused too...must have some dark secret.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    So does this mean Tom Cruise really is gay?

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Because all of Bryan Singer's main actors are gay...

  • June 8, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Agreed about Downfall

    by jim

    Too bad the creators of that movie aren't behind this one.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST


    by Executor

    They spoke German in Germany.<p>They didn't speak English with a German accent.<p>If you want this to be realistic, it would be German with English subtitles. <p>It's a movie. Why is having Germans speak mangled English better? If this is what you're focusing on, then I feel sorry for you.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Fucking crybaby talkbackers.

    by apolo_sputnik

    The movie is going to suck because they don't have German accents. <p> Jessus Christ, you fucking morons. It's an AMERICAN film, aimed for an ENGLISH speaking audience. <p> Go back and suck on your mommmy's tit so we don't have to listen to your little school girl crying bullshit. <p> That said, this movie will be great. Despite what the ignorant crybaby piss-ants bitch about.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Singer on the downhill slide

    by Silverglade

    Looks like he is one of many guys who came out of gate with magic then just lost it for whatever reason. A bunch of English-speaking Germans? With not even a German accent? How credible is this?

  • June 8, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    At the end, Hitler addresses a large crowd and says...

    by Bobo_Vision

    "Party on dudes!!!"

  • June 8, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Reminds me of Cutthroat Island

    by The Game Master

    Seriously. This is like the 1995 studio-sinking Cutthroat Island. The script, production design, supporting cast and crew all seem first rate, but the entire movie will be dragged down by an egotistical star who doesn't know how or even care to act. All Tom Bignose Cruise does is smile at the camera, saying we're supposed to like him, and that's that. Just like Genna Davis and her husband-director who spent the entire Cutthroat shoot drowning themselves in high energy drink so they overdid everything, Tom Cruise doesn't seem interested in doing anything but reminding us that he's a movie star, thus dragging down an otherwise potentially kick ass movie. The lead role and director in this movie both such as well, and the entire thing will suck as a result.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST


    by apolo_sputnik

    My bad. After my post came up, I saw yours. You said exactly what needed to be said. EXACTLY. Thank you.

  • June 8, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    starring Tom Cruise as Tom Cruise With An Eye Patch

    by WhoDis

  • June 8, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    For those of us who missed it,

    by jim

    what's the story with Gone, and why it is gone?

  • June 8, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Germans could absolutely make that movie...

    by JackIsLost

    About the American Civil War with German actors speaking in German. It would obviously be for a German audience. Why will that movie not be made? Because Germans don't give a shit about the American Revolution. America is a country of immigrants and we are interested in other people's stories b/c their stories are our stories. So we make the movies for ourselves in ways we can identify with them. If Japan wants to make a movie about the Great Depression, more power to them!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    This absent accents are for the Americans who tend to avoid...

    by Bobo_Vision

    ...things that are a bit too "foreign", if you get me. Red states, I'm talkin' to you.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    "Hitler, I'd like to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative."

    by PirateEmery

    Tom Cruise as... Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Mission Impossible 4 : Revenge of Hitler?

    by EbertsFatThumb

    God this looks bad. It is bad enough that anyone with a 5th grade education knows how the movie ends. Sort of like that crap movie Titanic. No, the real problem I have with this trailer is that Cruise is the same as EVERY FUCKIN ROLE he has ever done except Born On 4th of July. A smirking prick who is more cocky than he is smart. Does anyone REALLY believe he is a German officer in the trailer or toy boy Cruise with a stupid looking eye patch? Oh well, back to watching the high def version of Battle Of The Bulge.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Looks good to me

    by canopus

    I saw a picture of the guy Tom Cruise is playing, and he really does resemble him. As far as the accents, the fake Russian accents were the worst part of that Widomaker movie, otherwise, it wasn't bad. They did this for Hunt For Red October as well, and that worked out well.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    The Game Master

    by The Game Master

    Accents are about a FEELING of authenticity. Sure, we know English equals German because subtitles can be annoying. It's theater. But the accents are like lighting and music in a movie--they help the mood, they help us believe. Tom Cruise is just a lazy, egotistical turd who can't be bothered to do something as basic in Acting 101 as learning an accent, so everyone else has to forgo an accent as well, i.e. giving a lesser performance, just so Mr. Big Star doesn't look bad. Seriously, someone ought to come up with a Valkyrie-like scheme to assasinate Tom Cruise and save the world from more terrible movies.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Was Harry and/or Merrick paid for publishing GONE?

    by JackIsLost

    I really want to know. I am fascinated by this almost-controversy. I don't even think it would be a bad thing, I am more amazed by the huge backlash from the TBers.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with some of the above posters...

    by blckmgk13

    I have no hate on for any one thing in this film, but it is completely underwhelming and I have no particular desire to see it. Looks like it should be on A&E or HBO as a special for war enthusiasts or something.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Even Bad Accents...

    by PirateEmery

    ... at least show that they put an EFFORT in immersing us into the story. <p>Without any accent whatsoever, it's as if Hollywood just came out and said: "hey, if you don't care, we don't care."

  • June 8, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by TedBundy

    Adolf Hitler ist der SIEG!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Wasn't there a trailer for this about two and a half...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...years ago? Nothing could seem less interesting at this point.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    Where is it?! Idiots!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Actually, Tom Cruise tried a German accent for this film.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    However, after watching the dailies, the producers grew concerned over the fact that he sounded too much like Colonel Wilhelm Klink...<P>"Dis-missed!"

  • June 8, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    And say what you will about Mel Gibson's....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...subtitled epics in dead languages, but they make these pick a generic foreign accent fests look like school plays by comparison...

  • June 8, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    ...I know... NO THINK!!...

    by FlickaPoo

  • June 8, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    I wish Singer would get this done with so he can focus on Superman... we are soooooooo due for an action packed Supes.... get the fuck on with it already!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    When you guys see Cruise

    by slugbat

    You see a homo, an alien worshipper, an ego-maniac... etc, etc. I know the whole Scientology thing is gay, but otherwise I kind of enjoy his flicks, from Top Gun to The Last Samurai.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by slugbat

    Good point. Schindlers worked pretty well, didn't it?

  • June 8, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by slugbat

    You know it, baby.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    The Nazi's didn't speak english!

    by Orionsangels

    That takes me outta the movie. They should have gone the Mel Gibson route. Realism first, like making Jesus white, even though he had skin of bronze, d 'oh! Okay bad example. Apocalypto thats better. That worked because they spoke their native tongue.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Thanks Gus - I remember seeing part 1

    by jim

    a few days ago, wondered why it was getting so much coverage (14 parts? a big geek thing I've never heard of before now?), read a bit, which was enough for me, moved on and promptly forgot about it because it looked stupid.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Accents are kinda wrong...

    by drumking94

    English in a German accent implies broken english. Pure English suggests that they are speaking perfect German, but it's translated for us. But the best way to do this would be German w/ subtitles. but that would be hard to market to today's general public.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    who cares about accents? pretty stupid

    by BMacSmith

    the only way its realistic is to have them speak german and have subtitles. NonGermans speaking with German accents is just silly. get over it.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise can't play a Nazi!

    by JackIsLost

    Because we all know he is a Scientologist! You can't have a Scientologist playing a Nazi, it's absurd! Also, he doesn't really need that eyepatch! He should have poked out his eye for real if he wanted to play this role!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise must have no friends because if he....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...did they would have told him that Tom Cruise + eye patch = Saturday Night Live sketch.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    I disagree. Fake accents usually take me out of a movie and it's just not necessary in a film where all of the characters are "speaking German".

  • June 8, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise

    by The Game Master

    Accents or no accents, it's not really a big issue. The REAL issue is that Tom Cruise CAN NOT ACT!!! Yeah, in Schindler's List they spoke English, and it worked, but Liam Neeson CAN ACT!!! Big difference. And Spielberg can direct! Cruise and Synger need to be banned from making movies. They both suck (probably each other).

  • June 8, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    "From the director of X-Men and Superman Returns..."

    by cloverfield-of-dreams

    For some reason, when I saw that it seemed to cheapen the "gravitas" of this trailer. And I LIKED those films!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Iron Man cameos in this movie.

    by PirateEmery

    Nick Fury cameoed at the end of Iron Man's movie, so it would make sense that Iron Man would do the same in Nick Fury's movie.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

    Actually, if it were a German film about the made American Civil War made for German audiences... yes, I'm fairly certain the characters would all be speaking German and not English. Or maybe German with an English accent.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    GONE lasted as long as a high concept series on FOX

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    You know, the kind of show that FOX gives a 13 episode order for, but only airs the first 3 then decides to cancel it all.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I kind of wish Cruise had a parrot on his shoulder...

    by JackIsLost

    Maybe this could be the new villain for any POTC movies... Nazi Pirates!

  • June 8, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    They're actors, not impersonators.

    by BMacSmith

    but i agree Cruise isnt very good at either. accents arent needed and they are usually a distraction anyway.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Kneel before ZOD!

    by batzilla


  • June 8, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Looks like crap - let's destroy it like we did GONE!

    by Chewbaccacabra

    Has anyone seen MIchael Grant's myspace? His blogs are pretty sad. Especially when he is talking about Stephen King his idol and comparing himself to KIng.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    I wish it'd come out too...

    by viola123

    I don't understand the delay and want to believe it's not because it ended up being less of its awesome parts, but we'll see. Hopefully soon. I think the trailer looks great and I don't care what Tom sounds like; he'll make me believe in his character no matter. *shrugs*.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Is this a different trailer than the one released before?

    by flickchick85

    It looks the same to me. Anyway, I thought this was delayed because some of the footage was destroyed in a fire or something. Whatever the case, looks good to me, despite starring Cruise. Fake accents would be distracting.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST


    by No Respectable Gentleman

    Regardless of Cruise, Singer, or any sort of accent ... this film is at least BASED ON TRUE HISTORY (and, just for the record, the character Cruise plays was a handome dude who wore an eyepatch). So for my money this is already STREETS AHEAD of any candy-colored garbage with giant robots.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    herzog should have helmed sebastian koch should have starred

    by vestaxwax

    and it should be in german

  • June 8, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Holy shit, shut up about the accents. You want the whole cast putting on fake German accents while they speak English? That makes even *less* sense than what you're complaining about.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Lions for Lambs?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    That was a piece of shit if ever I saw one. Seriously.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    & lions for lambs was definitely NOT "excellent"

    by vestaxwax

    it wasn't terrible either

  • June 8, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I think it looks good

    by abovo

  • June 8, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    I have what appears to be Ben Ramseys draft for Dragonball (later heavily revised by Wong). <p> I can't guarantee it's validity and since it's an early draft, it may be worthless...but if you want it let me know and I'll send it on.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    The US/UK Accents Are A Fatal Mistake, But...

    by Rebeck2

    Even worse is the way Cruise seems to be smiling through the film. What the fuck is that about??? I doubt these guys were joking around and smirking about killing Hitler? What was Cruise thinking?? Is he trying to play this guy as some kind of a Schindler-like rake? This is, ahem, sort of a serious fucking story, not Mission Impossible 4, motherfucker. What was Singer thinking letting him play it that way? And yes, the film would be infinitely better with German accents. We KNOW they are not speaking the correct language - we can make that leap of faith - but when they all sound like they just graduated RADA and the star like he just got back from surfing off Malibu...uhhh, NO. Not so much. Stupid stupid stupid.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise will have a comeback...

    by JackIsLost

    But it will be in TROPIC THUNDER, not this.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    The Young Lions and Brando.

    by Star Hump

    Brando did the German accent in Young Lions. Why not Cruise? It's an acceptable choice in a WWII movie focused on the nazis. Been done a thousdand times before...

  • June 8, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST


    by slugbat

    Job opportunity! Gay Nazi Pirate!

  • June 8, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST


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  • June 8, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    How about Sir Ian McKellan?

    by Star Hump

    he didn't hold back on the kraut accent in Apt Pupil.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Bruno Ganz

    by Grand Moff Toht

    From Downfall should've been Hitler. In fact, whenever Hitler is in a movie from now on, he should be played by Bruno Ganz. Also, Branagh played Heydrich in the HBO film Conspiracy. From the glimpses of all the cast in Valkyrie, everyone looks and sounds good except... Tom Cruise. Just don't think he can pull off playing a war-scarred Prussian officer. Looks and sounds too... American. Young. Fresh. I dunno.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Bring back Gone

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I need to know if they run into any more inverted cock elbows.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by Ass Lesson

    Wait till you guys see the new one that's coming in a few weeks. It actually gives you a taste of what this film is REALLY all about. That is to say, it's fucking awesome.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    and you know as horrifying as his death was

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    I don't think thats the last we will see of Uncle Sammy.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    WE BEAT GONE!!!!!!

    by brassai2003

    Bwahahahahhahaha! We can rule the world!!!! OK...what next? Transformers 2? MCMXVII you with me?

  • June 8, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Harry, start making sense, NOW!

    by BurgerKing

    You're confused about bad word of mouth? Besides the fact that Cruise isn't even trying anymore? "Nah, I'll just be an American, people will know I'm a Nazi because of the uniform, I don't really have to act the part." People say "ohh well a German sounding English voice isn't realistic either!" Well it's more fucking realistic than just some American in a Nazi outfit. <p> Secondly, you serious? Lions for Lambs was the shittiest political commentary film to come out in the past few years littered with shitty political commentary film. It had nothing new to say, and couldn't even come up with an interesting way of telling it. <p> So basically, what I'm saying is, Valkyrie looks bad. But yeah, maybe it will look better because it's going to be standing along side shitty ass winter movies.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    About accents

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Unless you're doing the story in the characters' native language -- Passion of Christ, Apocalypto, Downfall -- have them speak in English. Another recent war movie where the actors spoke English with accents to give the impression of their characters' nationality was Captain Corelli's Mandolin. The look of the film was top notch but Nicholas Cage and co. made their company of Italian soldier all sound like Chico Marx or something. Most confusing of all was Spanish Penelope Cruz playing a Greek girl with an accent somewhere in between.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    remember when Sam's beast cock slipped on pussy juice

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    still hosing from between Astrids legs?<p> Ahhh Good times.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Dragonball spoilers

    by vadakinX

    I'm posting some spoilers from the Ramsey draft of Dragonball in the scriptgirl thread, if anyone is interested.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    JackIsLost - true true true

    by BurgerKing

    You're so right. You have enlightened me. <p> However, you could also say that thanks to the existence of Hollywood all American historical moments have been reproduced into fucking oblivion so many times that they now must outsource to historical moments in other countries because those stories haven't been told yet...for better or for worse..

  • June 8, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Also in terms of the American audience

    by BurgerKing

    American audience, sure makes sense it would be English. But as a large movie-going population, America has become more accepting of subtitles and foreign languages, while other nations might not give a shit about acting in the correct language. Look at Mel Gibson's movies etc etc. <p> It's just a sort of standardization now, it's expected to at least have the accent, because in the last 10-20 years Americans have lost their sense of disbelief (if Raiders of the Lost Ark was released today it would get slammed by AICNers). So accents are pretty much a must at todays day in age. Otherwise, it's just like wtf?!!

  • June 8, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    So will Hitler be Xenu in disguise?

    by br1947

    evil dictator... trying to conquer the world... kills anyone in his way... hmmm... then again I'm not sure Hitler had access to volcanoes...

  • June 8, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    unfortuantely gotham_night

    by BurgerKing

    Sex and the City made back it's budget in a week and continued on to a decent follow up weekend. Yeah, it wasn't in top 3 but this weekend everyone did pretty well. So, if they wanted to, they could GASP make a Sex and the City 2. Geeks cringe worldwide..

  • June 8, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by Grand Moff Toht

    Before someone corrects me, Stauffenberg, Cruise's character, wasn't a Prussian, he was Swabian. Southwestern Germany. Still a German officer. Which Cruise is not. Smiles too much.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Metal Gear Nazi

    by es4

    Nice eyepatch there, Solid Scientologist

  • June 8, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    The accents thing

    by toshiro-solo

    I think what's offputting here is that the people playing Germans are mostly speaking English with a British accent, while Tommy Boy is speaking English with an American accent. I wouldn't expect a German accent necessarily, but - they should've picked one accent and had the whole cast stick with it. My REAL question, though, is - does Tommy Boy dye his pubes blonde (onscreen) in order to seem more genuinely Aryan and therefore seem less likely to be a Hitler assasination plot hatcher?

  • June 8, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    German Accents - Damned if you/Damned if you don't

    by TVguy4566

    You gotta think the reason there aren't German accents is because Tom Cruise couldn't pull one off. Both Kenneth Branagh (played a Nazi several times) and Eddie Izzard can pull off foreign accents. It has to be Cruise. <br><br> I find it better ditching the accents all together is less distracting than a bad accent or an accent that comes and goes. You can forgive no accent a lot easier than either of the other two scenarios.<br><br> The trailer itself actually looks like a very good movie. Granted it wouldn't be the first time that a trailer editor has turned a piece of crap into a 2 1/2 minute masterpiece.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    re: GONE


    I was contacted by a PR company that wanted to do the GONE promotion on the site. I made them send me a copy of the book, which I read and liked quite an awful lot. So I agreed to do the promotion... because frankly - the book is really something and I liked the idea of doing chapters from books on the site. And we will do it in the future - but without the option for Talkback.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    FUCK "bad word of mouth"

    by MattmanReturns

    I'm sick of hearing this. Nobody's seen the fucking film so nobody knows wtf they're talking about. This is bullshit. People just make shit up on the internet.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Without the option of talkbacks!!!

    by Chewbaccacabra

    Good plan Harry. If it sucks as bad as GONE, we'll just make fun of it in other talkbacks. YAY! Bring it on!

  • June 8, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Good for you Harry...

    by blckmgk13

    ... but not young adult stuff. I mean have you read your reviews? Those alone are R rated.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by blckmgk13

    ...Gone really did suck.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by WhoDis

    good point

  • June 8, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    won't pay a dime to see this because of cruise

    by logicalnoise01

    sorry to all the great actors and a pretty talented director but what cruise doesn't make Scientology doesn't get.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Harry, Re. Dragonball

    by vadakinX

    If you or anyone else wants to read what might, and I stress might, be an early draft for Dragonball, you can download it at <p> There are also rumours that a revised draft, maybe even the shooting script itself, might end up online in a few days. <p> I'm off to sleep...there are some spoilers in the scriptgirl talkback for the script if anyone wants to check them out without having to read the whole thing.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Where the fuck are the accents?!

    by Rocklover79


  • June 8, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The idea of PR preview chapters is a good one..

    by br1947

    The problem was choice of book. Just a really poor choice for the first book. Toss up some sci-fi or something like that (maybe ever the first few pages of a new comic), it'll work beautifully. But teen drama? That's just not gonna work, not on this site at least. And no talkback options? That pretty much just means all other stories on the site will get hijacked, as has happened with the now deleted Gone stuff. Overall idea not bad, just poor choice to kick it off.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    wow its Tom Cruise as a NazI.....

    by j2talk

    so we've got tom as a pilot, a bartender, a spy, a lawyer, a samuri, now a Nazi.... boy has he go a range of characters......its a shame he plays every role the same......somebody please give the man some acting lessons.....

  • June 8, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Wow, Harry do you realize how absurb that sounds....

    by JackIsLost

    You can't stop TB. You will sell your website to the highest bidder (no shame in it, if you ask me) but act like you are a sell-out whore by trying to stop TB when they will just discuss it on another board, turning your site into chaos. Do you realize how foolish you look at this moment? I mean, really... just plain stupid.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    *NOT* a sell-out whore, that is...

    by JackIsLost

  • June 8, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    *absurd* also...

    by JackIsLost

    Wow, I need an editor...

  • June 8, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    gee did i have

    by j2talk

    list evey lame as carbon copy "acting" job cruise has had?

  • June 8, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    oops spell check..

    by j2talk

    Gee did I have to list every Lame ass carbon copy "acting" job cruise has had?

  • June 8, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Slightly late.

    by Mostholy

    This trailer came out last November.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Tom Cruise = Box Office Poison

    by Turd Furgeson

    The story of one mega actor, and how we went from 100 Million dollar guarantee, to box office poison. Sad really because I think he's a fine actor. Take note hollywood people, you get paid to make movies, not political or religious propaganda.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    KNEEEEEL...before ZOD!

    by kirttrik

    I am General Zod. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands, your possessions, your very lives, will gladly be given in tribute to me, General Zod! In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words you will be allowed to live.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    where's the cg gophers?

    by kirttrik

    This film could use some cg gophers!

  • June 8, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST


    by Mattyboy122

    Isn't this the exact same trailer that came out a few months back? I just watched it and I'll be damned if it's different from the other one. So we're getting a whole new article for a trailer that's months old... Curious.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Harry.... GONE without the Talkbacks???

    by Mr.Meanie

    Wtf... can't handle the criticism? LOL That's the biggest, weakest cop-out bullshit I've ever seen on this site. The main reason this site has such a huge following is because of the interaction. If you want to shove horrible cheeze-tastic teen books down the throats of your loyal (opinionated) base... you should really have the balls to take what they give back. Doing what you're suggesting will alienate alot of people here, I guarantee it.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by redkamel

    yeah, I mean, I didnt like Gone either, but now ALL the threads will get hijacked.... lack of accents are dumb. Bad guys (ie Nazis, even the "good ones") have accents. Period. The english ruins it. Tom Cruise looks like hes freaking 25 in the movie. Should have gotten someone older. Not only that, he looks like a freaking anime character with his pretty boy looks and the eyepatch. This should be high tension, dark drama, with subtitles, not something that is so polished with freaking one liners in the trailer.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    You're All A Bunch of Crybabies

    by Crow3711

    Wah Wah They don't use a German accent. If they all tried to use a German accent, you would all cry wah wah it sounds like shit this sucks. This movie looks sick, get over your irrational and completely conformist hatred of Tom Cruise. The guy made mistakes, don't we all? He makes good flicks fairly consistently. Doing the German would have just been an unnecessary pain in the ass with all the A-class English stars and Cruise. It's just a movie, the German accent is ugly and funny sounding, no one wants to hear it for 2 hours, and you should try to just be excited for the movie instead of hate if before you even see it if you actually claim to enjoy film.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST


    by Mr.Meanie

    Jordan also had a better team.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    There IS an edit button...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    It's the button that says "Word" on your computer. Click it and this program called "Word" pops up and lets you type stuff into it, and also features neat things like the ability to edit what you type as well as spell check it. So, read the article, press the "Word" button, type what you want, edit and spellcheck, and then paste it onto whatever talkback you want. <p></p> Actually, I'm kidding. Lack of an edit button is perhaps the worst thing this world has ever seen. More blood has been shed and more kittens slaughtered because of the lack of edit button than any war in the history of everything.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Either way

    by Crow3711

    Thanks for agreeing octagon, but looking through these talkbacks, sometimes I just can't believe the things these fuckers say. They hate EVERYTHING. Nothing is ever good enough, its not exactly what THEY wanted, and they nitpick and shit on everything. Makes me sick, none of you are worthy of buying a movie ticket. "Harry you've lost credibility" blah blah blah. This site is fucking awesome, and you all talk shit like if you didnt have this site youd have anything else to do with your lives. You're all a bunch of spoiled little bitches. get over yourselves. Harry is allowed to like whatever the fuck he wants, just like all of you are. I fucking hate all of you.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST


    by Super Rabbi

    Tom seems miscast in this role.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Its not like there isn't precedent for the accents thing.

    by BrandonGK

    Just look at The Hunt for Red October. Except for the first ten minutes the entire crew of a Soviet sub spoke english with only a few speaking with a Russian accent.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Nipples on Optimus=Bryan Singer's Gay Lover

    by sleeptones


  • June 9, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Looks badass

    by krushjudgement

    I'm going to check it out. Singer hasn't disappointed me yet- yes I like Superman Returns, get over it.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST


    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Micheal Bay isn't even human, he's a disguised cock elbow.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Yes, I say thankee

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    but thats just between us right?

  • June 9, 2008, 12:48 a.m. CST


    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks


  • June 9, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST


    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks


  • June 9, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Well thanks

    by krushjudgement

    If it's just for me and all.

  • June 9, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    No Edit Button = Face on HK

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • June 9, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    GONE trailer

    by Westonian

  • June 9, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST


    by Westonian

  • June 9, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Good cast... even if Cruise is flake

    by codymr

    TC looks incredibly like the guy he is portraying ( With Christopher McQuarrie back as a writer for Singer - who is a solid director to boot - this is promising.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Everyone going on about the lack of accents...

    by The Grug

    Get real, German accents worked just fine in The Odessa File (a Jon Voigt flick from way back) and they lent that film an authenticity that you wouldn't have otherwise - the important thing about accents is that they give you a sense of place, the film's set in Germany with German characters - the actor's accents should remind you of that.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Seriously, Cruise needs to take a look at Robet Downey Jr.

    by Han Cholo

    and observe the natural way he acts in his movies and take note. Once Cruise gets past his stilted performances and one note acting out of the way, maybe, just maybe he can win an Oscar. However, now that RDJ's career is back on track, I am much more looking forward to seeing what's in store for him.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    True, but Downey would win over Cruise any day

    by Han Cholo

    Downey's just a better actor.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Don't know about the film but that trailer deserves an Oscar:

    by newc0253

    Best Use of Kenneth Branagh in a Movie Promotional Short.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Cruise was terrible in that trailer

    by photoboy

    It's like he was trying to put a bit of a German accent in there but couldn't get it right, so all his lines sounded rushed and weird. Not sure I'm that interested in seeing this, especially since we know how it ends... ;)

  • June 9, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • June 9, 2008, 4:02 a.m. CST

    If Singer and Cruise were doing the movie

    by the podosphere

    about a failed plot to kill George W. Bush, everyone would have a German accent.

  • June 9, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Cruise is limited when it comes to accents and dialect

    by KillaKane

    Plenty of his peers could have made the effort to nail a convincing accent, I personally find it jarring to hear him amidst the RSC English and german accents of the supporting players. The story is interesting enough, though the outcome enevitable, seems this is going to stan or fall on the strenght of Cruises performance.

  • June 9, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Fact is Singer bluffed his way into Hollywood

    by barnaby jones

    hes only made one truely good film and i'm starting to think that was a fluke. Also you can't blame the cast for not speaking german or with an accent someone (i'm guessing singer) obviously made that decesion early on. I will of course hold judgement on the film until i get to see it....

  • June 9, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST


    by WestieBestie

    ...starring the fat, angry, Unreal-tournament-playing, German kid from youtube as Hitler.

  • June 9, 2008, 5:27 a.m. CST

    There was a superb mini-film that Branagh did

    by emeraldboy

    called conspiracy. and he was asked why did they make the film without speaking in german accents and branagh said. They wanted to get across the fact that at the end of the day and despite the murderous acts carried out by the Nazis, humans are capable of just about anything when they abuse power. that made the film more chilling.

  • June 9, 2008, 6:10 a.m. CST


    by chipps

    If this movie ends the way samurai did von Stauffenberg will survive. STUPIDEST ENDING EVER. It had this character who wanted to die moving toward the inevitable, charging a machine gun across open ground and the one white guy survives. Terriffic! Fuckers. Hey do we get to see dudes hung up with piano wire? That would be sweet.

  • June 9, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST

    i'm just saying

    by chipps

    plus did you know that ol mother hubbard, founder of Scientology, was involved in a ritual called Liber 49? eh? and that John Travolota was in a movie called ladder 49? Coincidence? I think not. Hang on, there is someone at the door. I'll be right back....

  • June 9, 2008, 6:37 a.m. CST

    tom cruise is a dangerous man

    by shubniggurath

    Using his popularity to promote Scientology, a truly horrid organisation that should be charged with countless abuses of human rights, particularly against children, and guilty of many other heartbreaking situations for thousands of people. Boycott this idiot's movies and say no to scientology!

  • June 9, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Carice van Houten

    by sparkmark

    Looks hot in this trailer :)

  • Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

  • June 9, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Oscar nominations do not mean good actors

    by br1947

    Remember: Halle Berry is an Oscar WINNER and she can't act her way out of a wet paper sack. See Catwoman, any X-Men, and pretty much anything ele she has ever been in as proof.

  • June 9, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Hi Tom Cruise here

    by Tom_Cruise

    My career is on a slow downword spiral at the mo so I need all you film geeks to get out there and give my picture a big thumbs up!! You should know by now what will happen if you don't - it will involve my mighty science-fact based religion, thetans and the sucking of the filthy cruise cockiod. I really enjoyed making this film for two reasons. 1. The patch means you can't see that i'm cross eyed. 2. The jackboots with high heals made me at least 3 inches taller. I'm a five foot six monster in this. You love me. Suck the Cruise cock!

  • June 9, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Have to agree about the lack of accent...

    by Kampbell-Kid

    Give me a break. I know some people don't care about "some" historical accuracy because they like their films dumbed down or dubbed because they sub-vocalize the subtitles. It isn't hard to fake a German accent. Geez, these actors are up there and they can't even pull this off? That's probably why it has a bad vibe surrounding it. It's like making a film about Stalin starring Hulk Hogan as the baddie. "A single death is a tragedy brother, but a million deaths is ratings." AICN TB: "Fucking. Brilliant."

  • June 9, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by unuseddraft

    You actually made me laugh, thanks!

  • June 9, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Interesting Definition of Impeccable

    by Aquatarkusman

    Three acting moves by Tom Cruise: (1) pretend you're taking a shit (2) toothy, inappropriate laugh (3) emphasize point with index finger knuckle, like Bill Clinton. He's the littlest samurai!

  • June 9, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    wtf? retards want german accents?

    by lex romero

    Christ, how on earth does the characters putting on fake german accents some how make it more realistic? Yeah cos it makes so much more sense for the germans to be speaking english with german accents wtf? If anythnig that makes it more fake as it highlights the fact that they're germans but speaking something that isn't their mother tongue. It's far easier to suspend my disbelief by having them just speaking with their normal accents and, being the smart viewer i am, knowing that they would be speaking german in germany and i'm just hearing it in english. <br><br> "Vee have to keeel hightler." Oh yeah that fake accent made the film better for me.

  • June 9, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Do idiots from the US and England think...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ..."Oh, foreigners!" when they see a group of Americans or Englishmen speaking with faked pseudo-accents (which said idiots would be unable to recognize, anyway)? Is that how it works for them? They see two Americans speaking not in German, but in English, saying "Ja, zis is goot! You are right, zis is goot!", and they think "Yeah, these are two genuine Germans speaking German! What a great scene!"...? Then they see Hitler's doppleganger, saying "Hello, old chap", and they think "Who the hell is this? He kinda looks like Hitler, but he's obviously not supposed to be Hitler, because he's not speaking English with a weird accent of which I have no idea, but which I would nevertheless call German!"...? Is this how their strange little minds work?

  • June 9, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I say "US & England"...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    ...rather than "US, UK, Australia and all other locations where English is the native language", because the twats who seriously complain about "the unrealistic lack of accents" seem to come only from the first two places. For some reason.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Accents are stupid.

    by rbatty024

    It makes even less sense than to have them speak in their natural tongue. If you want then to go full out and do the film with subtitles, then I see where you're coming from. However, we all know they spoke German and not English or English with a German accent. As an audience we can suspend disbelief.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    I can't make it through the first fifteen seconds of that trailer without being hugely distracted by Cruise's lack of some kind of an accent. Honestly, a high-ranking Nazi with an American accent? For television shows, maybe. Not for big-budget films. I usually don't care much about these things, but with Cruise it's intensely distracting. I like Tom and think he's done some good acting work in his time, but he's so American that he should've "gone there" and learned a German or British accent to distinguish his character. I'm actually very suprised he didn't.<p> "Valkyrie" could be a nice recovery for Singer after "Superman Lifts Things." Hope so, anyway. I'm not saying the movie won't kick ass, but my first impression is that Cruise's accent is supremely distracting. We'll see.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    My E-Meter reads...

    by bobjustbob


  • June 9, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    I just watched the trailer again and can't stop cringing from that nails-on-a-chalkboard accent. My god it took me right out whatever else was going on. Was it a movie about Nazis? I can't even remember.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST


    by XOMuffintop

    I used to love your work, buddy. This, may be a bridge too far. And I agree that the accent Cruise is using is distracting.

  • June 9, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Mankind is not ready for this level of filmmaking

    by Iowa Snot Client

    That's why they keep pushing back the date.

  • June 9, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    anyone see Enemy at the Gates?

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    all english speaking actors playing Russians and Germans. no accents in that one. bad ass movie.<p>no accents = not an issue. this movie brings to light a piece of history that most folks don't know about. i'm stoked for it.

  • June 9, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for the scene where Tom Cruise runs!

    by StovetopStuffin'

    You know it'll be in there. Don't say it won't!

  • June 9, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    It's a good point, Gatsby Omlet. Most of the time accents aren't an issue for me. I realize actors and directors make choices and as long as the story is solid, people will enjoy it.<p> But remember "Schindler's List?" Liam Neeson gave us a convincing German accent, which went a hell of a long way toward manifesting his deep character. It seems to me that Bryan Singer saw real-life photos of von Stauffenberg, got excited cuz he looked like Cruise, and made the call, not considering whether Cruise would actually sound like or be appropriate for the part.<p> Can you imagine an action flick where Saddam Hussein speaks with a smooth American accent? Or a Chinese dictator sounds like he's from Brooklyn or New York City? It'd be weird and wouldn't work.<p> Your point is still a good one: accents shouldn't matter that much. Then again, can you imagine an actor playing George W. speaking in a stark Russian accent instead of a trademark Texas drawl? Yeah. That's why I'm having a hard time with Cruise. It sounds like he didn't even make the attempt.<p> We'll see.

  • June 9, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by j2talk

    Costner-Robin Hood 'nuff said.....

  • June 9, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Admiral Akwelches

    My Netflix queue is getting bleak. Any dvd reviews coming soon?

  • June 9, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Disabling the TB

    by Lost Jarv

    Horrid idea. By far the best and most attractive thing about this site is the free, relatively unmoderated, Talkbacks. <P>If you put up something sent to you by a PR agency and then disable people's ability to reply all that will happen is that everything will get flooded with angry keyboard happy geeks. Don't geld the TB, Harry- it's a terrible mistake.<P>Me, I couldn't give a toss- I didn't read it in the first place, and I won't in future, but I can see this is a mistake.

  • June 9, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    it wouldn't matter if the English was consistent. But cruise sticks out like an erection at a lesbian wedding. It simply reminds the audience that they are watching a film. <P>Another bad idea.

  • June 9, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Re: Spazmo

    by Cobbio

    There's no British accent, huh? Gee, I guess that's why Queen Elizabeth speaks with such a soft French drawl.<p> I understand you're trying to make the point that accents don't matter in films, which is fine, but you're torpedoing both your person and argument with statements like "there is no british accent, you plebs."<p> I'm here to let you know: I wouldn't tell people in London, Bristol, Leeds there's no British accent. They might lose all sense of reality.

  • June 9, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by Lost Jarv

    There is no "British Accent", and I would tell any of the examples you give that. If they spoke Queen's English I would say "English" accent, else they're scouse, Manc, Geordie, Mackem, Cockney, Jock, Taff etc

  • June 9, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    The great thing about this story is how the plot

    by jim

    failed. That is, the theory why the bomb did not kill Hitler. It comes down to a clumsy officer being slightly inconvenienced.<p>Anyone count Cruise's fingers? He's wearing the eyepatch so I have to think he should also be missing some fingers. That does, after all, play a part in how the bomb was designed.<p>From what I gather, regarding Gone, I have to think it wasn't Harry who thought to remove it. It was probably the PR company asking him to do so after seeing the intense negative reaction it got in the TBs. I'm sure everyone involved was hoping it would be the next Twilight. Instead, it seems it became, around here at least, to be the next Batman & Robin, Jon Peters' Superman, and the Sex and the City Movie, combined.

  • June 9, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    The problem with Gone

    by Lost Jarv

    as far as I'm aware and I haven't read any of it or the TB', is that it was a piss poor book that was completely out of place here. <P>If it had been more appropriate (and good)then I'm sure it would have gone down well. The idea is a good one, but the execution was fucking abysmal and turning off TB's on future book chapters is very much blaming the TB'ers for Harry's mistake. <P>People here are suspicious at the best of times, and when something as wrong and sub-par as Gone hit they were on it like a fucking rash. This is not a surprise.

  • June 9, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    It looks good......

    by bugkill

    I think the trailer is a good one and the film may actually be good. Let's all be honest, the reason everyone is talking crap about Cruise is because he jumped on Oprah's couch and he is part of Scientology. I do not care about how much in love he is or what his religious beliefs are, I only care about his films. I did not see his Lambs film, but this movie looks pretty good and could be very intense. The deal with the german accents not being there is something that properly needed to happen. I would not be surprised that in the beginning of the film all the characters would be speaking german and then there is a pause and everyone switches to english. It has been done before and it would not be a problem.

  • June 9, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Brando vs Cruise

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Hmmm. Yes if Brando could do it, why not Tom Cruise? After all, they are practically the same person. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • June 9, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I don't understand people dissing Cate Blanchett's accent

    by half vader

    in Indy 4. The character had an English education. It was consistent the whole way through. And if you've ever watched any of her other stuff you know she can do any accent without breaking a sweat. Can anyone enlighten me as to why she was supposedly so awful? <p> As for Valkyrie, Tom doing a German accent is probably like Madonna trying to rap. And yes it's strange, but only because we're all so conditioned. The whole American accent = good guys, English accent = bad guys is pretty silly too, even if it does work. So is foreigners supposedly talking in their own languages by speaking English with an accent. Like I say, we're all used to it, but the concept of an accent substituting for people speaking in their native language is actually ridiculous. Especially in films based around real-life happenings that go for any level of authenticity. I'm not talking about Pathfinder here. <p> It's actually quite insulting, considering it's basically because the average English speaker is either too dumb or too lazy or too secretly bigoted to read subtitles. <p> P.S. Barnaby Jones - and that one was a remake of a Kurosawa film anyway!

  • June 9, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Top Secret II ?

    by quintana007

    Stauffenberg was no idealistic hero, he worked for his own agenda. Just a power hungry jerk, like any others. Very problematic movie...

  • June 9, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by Holgi65

    I've seen the 2004 german TV Film by Jo Baier with Sebastian Koch (Life of Others) - it's historical more accurate then Cruise's and will be distributed by the Weinsteins. Good for comparison.

  • June 9, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by depalma25

    Well, not all of you, but the ones who are complaining about the accents have no idea about the history of film. So you're mad about Cruise not having a German accent but you're okay with him speaking English? How about the British actors in the movie? Are their accents just European enough for you? This is a Hollywood movie, and a director has to make a choice at one point what the rules of his movie will be. Bryan Singer could have used all German actors, but the studios would have never greenlight it. The acting, and the story are the important things here. And by the way, Tom Cruise is known for being able to master accents (not in his movies of course). Brian Depalma says Cruise does the best Tony Montana impression. Singer, obviously decided that having some actors (American or British) speaking in a German accent is pointless. Just read up on your film history folks before you start making stupid comments

  • June 9, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Summer 2008?

    by supertoyslast

    The headline gave the impression that this was a new trailer. So is Harry wrong about the release date, or is this an old trailer from when the film was originally scheduled to go out this summer, then this November/December Holiday season and now early next year?

  • June 9, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Nazis vs. Snake Plissken?

    by westie

    I thought that guy was dead.....

  • June 9, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Everytime I see something about this movie...

    by bobjustbob

    ... I keep thinking about that whacky Star Trek Enterprise episode with the Lizard Nazi.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Germans speak German, not English with ACCENTS!

    by mistergreen

    Stop you whining and watch the movie.

  • June 9, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    BTW, is Cruise standing on a box?

    by bobjustbob

    Or is he wearing the big-ass platform shoes from BATTLEFIELD EARTH?

  • June 9, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    The reason I have trouble these days

    by jim

    separating the real-world, couch jumping, "you're glib Matt", posing with Katie Holmes and kid Cruise, from the characters he plays is I think most of his real-world stuff is also an act. He seems to play the same character in the public eye as he does on screen. <p>It's not the lack of accent that makes me think he's not really trying. It's the seemingly lack of effort in inhabiting a role that is different from the one he plays offscreen. Acting is more than just line delivery. It's in mannerisms and facial expressions. As someone noted above, Cruise has a limited range of expressions. His taking-a-dump" face, his 1000-yard-stare, and his trademark grin.<p>I have found that Cruise is at his best when playing a well-defined character, such as Ron Kovic, or Lestat, or Frank Mackey. But everything I've seen of him here is Maverick in a Nazi uniform. The eyepatch and uniform isn't enough to create a character. Good acting is more than a decent wardrobe. I hope he can pull this off but I haven't seen evidence of it yet.

  • June 9, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Hollywood History

    by bswise

    This looks terrible! Everyone knows that all WWII-era Nazis and Ancient Romans have perfect upper-class British accents. This is interesting, because WWII Nazi and Ancient Roman ALIENS, on the other hand, speak with "American" accents, and the latter with much echo effect added. Hence, ergo, Tom Cruise is an alien.

  • June 9, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    "Maverick in a Nazi uniform"

    by jim

    My brain needs an edit feature. Although Maverick was in the military, the character I meant was Kaffee from a Few Good Men. "Kaffee in a Nazi uniform". With an eyepatch.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Big Boss vs the Nazis?

    by nobletoast13

    I'm there...possibly

  • June 9, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I forgot how Hitler survived

    by bobjustbob

    Did he hide in a fridge?

  • June 9, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Red October

    by Wee Willie

    I don't recall anyone pissing and moaning when Sean Connery didn't try a cheesy Russian accent in Red October. All this complaining about a lack of accents is just fanboy nitpicking. BTW, the bomb didn't kill Hitler because it was hidden under a table that had slabs for legs and the slabs were made of concrete and reinforced steel -- or something like that. It was dumb luck he wasn't killed. I can't wait to see this film, should be a fun ride.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Enemy at the Gates

    by JackRabbitSlim

    worth seeing that movie just to see the little kid spotter hanging from the pole - gotta admit - never saw it coming

  • June 9, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Funny that noone has issues with Rome...

    by JackRabbitSlim

    Where were the accents in that? Think they are speaking with period-accurate accents. Seriously - lightendafuckup- its jus a fukkin moobie.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    No, Bob, that only works with nukes

    by jim

    Hitler survives because the bomb was made by the same guys who made those grenades in Die Hard 2. Once armed it takes several minutes to go off, giving Hitler time to strap himself to his chair and face away from the blast.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Nazis & Scientologists have a few things in common...

    by Quake II

    Both believed in a system that was biased and misinformed, both looked down upon those who were different or didn't support their cause and both thought they were better than everyone else. But, at least most Nazis were legally sane. Can't say that about Scientologists.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    And Tom Cruise is box office poison...

    by Quake II

    They should have cast anyone else in that role. Tom Cruise still looks like he's 25 years old and his acting is truly average at best. How is this guy still a 20 million dollar actor? HOW?!

  • June 9, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Simple, Quake, the movies he is in make money

    by jim

    and the execs, simple creatures that they are, are unable to conceive of multiple factors contributing to the success of a film so they break it down to things they can understand: actor, director, producer. In the past 10 years he's been in mostly successful movies (either financially or critically, sometimes both):<p>Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia, MI2, Vanilla Sky, Minority Report, Last Samurai, Goldmember, Collateral, War of the Worlds, MI3, Lions for Lambs.

  • June 9, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Tom's not poisoned

    by bobjustbob

    He just has a bad Thetan infestation.

  • June 9, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    In the mean time, everyone ought to watch

    by Kizeesh

    Conspiracy.<p> It's brilliant, and has some of the same cast members.

  • June 9, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Cruise could make a comeback...

    by br1947

    but it'd require ALOT of self depreciating humor. Multiple episodes (perhaps an entire season) of South Park would be required.

  • June 9, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Book Previews w/o Talkbacks = ADVERTISING

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br><br>At that point it is no longer offering your readers something to read and discuss like everything else on the site, and becomes nothing more than you giving the publisher an ad disguised as an article.<br><br>What's the reasoning behind no talkback? I can think of only one reason to not allow it: Because the publisher didn't like the negative speak about their product on their ADVERTISMENT page. Pathetic. The site is truly run by $$ now.<Br><Br><br>

  • June 9, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    love the accents...

    by SunTzu77

    You gotta love Germans with West Coast American and British accents.

  • June 9, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    Claus von Stauffenberg lost an eye after his staff car ran into a mine field. He lost his eye and several fingers. Thus, the eye patch. The accents do hurt the film imho. If they were all bland American accents...I'd buy into it. But, the fact that Cruise uses a West Coast accent...and Kenneth Branagh utilizes a muddled Northern Irish/English accent and Eddie Izzard a British accent..pulls me out of the film. Storyline: Their fate? The plot failed and Claus was executed. I'm not sure how the film will perform...the public is finicky.

  • June 9, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Harry? ShiftyEyedDog2, Although A Monkey, Makes A Valid Point

    by georges garvaren

    Will it be paid programing if there are no talkbacks? I weight that question with no ethical judgments attached. Will this bring about a "new" format for AICN? Will this mean that a studio could work the same deal: no talkbacks, just the words of an AICN staff member? If so, where will I go? What will I do at work? Don't say work . . . don't you dare say work!

  • June 9, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST


    by SuburbanJedi

    It will be fine, it's just like casting Sean Connery as a sub captain who is Russian but speaks the language with a Scottish brogue...

  • June 9, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST


    by redkamel

    Did someone just freaking compare Sean Connery to Tom Cruise?

  • June 9, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Pondscum...just try to think a little bit

    by depalma25

    Obviously in that case, the director would make a decision before the film is made, how to go about making sure the audience knows who is from what country. If that means using different accents than so be it. Singer, and directors who have come across this problem in the past go about it in different ways. It seems here that most of the characters are German so it won't be confusing to the audience as to who is from where.

  • June 9, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Pure revisionist Nazi magic.

    by thebearovingian

    If Singer puts a "Based upon a true story" tag at the beginning of this film I will immediately seizure and pass from this earth.

  • June 10, 2008, midnight CST


    by Brian

    Metal Gear Cruise

  • June 10, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Hey Bryran, have the studio redo that trailer STAT

    by RicardoMontalban

    Yikes! What a crappy trailer. The music was all wrong and it did nothing to make me want to shell out 10 bucks. But, I'll probably see this movie anyway because I'm a fan of Singer. hey movie fans, check out this great movie blog on blogspot. it's called thebitterproducer

  • June 10, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    sorry i meant to write "Bryan"

    by RicardoMontalban

  • June 10, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by King Kull

    On what planet is LIONS FOR LAMBS an "escellent film?" Just wondering.

  • June 10, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Exciting! Can't WAIT to see what happens to Hitler

    by Randfilms

    Will he survive? I wonder? BTW, how did Titanic end? I didn't see the movie...

  • June 10, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Straw man accent theory

    by JohnnyUtah

    I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but I'll be damned if I'm wading through all of those comments to make sure of it. Why on earth does it bother people that the actors aren't using German accents? They're speaking English, dumbasses! Do you think the Germans spoke English with German accents? If you're going to complain, and you really shouldn't, at least not about the accents, shouldn't you be complaining that they didn't speak German and subtitle it in English? Morons.

  • June 11, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Cruise's German

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Pondscum's right. (Howard Johnson's right about Olsen Johnson being right.) The others are fine, but Tom Cruise's West Coast speak and Maverick crazy grin (which is glimpsed at least twice in the trailer alone) will pull us, the audience, right the hell out of 1944, when everything and everyone else in the movie is laboring so hard to put us in the time and place. Should've never been a Tom Cruise star vehicle. Heck, the plot is kind of a downer anyway unless Tom Cruise substitutes a doppelganger at the last minute and escapes with his family to Switzerland and Argentina. Which no one in America will catch because no one can be bothered to learn a little history in this country.