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Trailer for VALKYRIE Conspires To Involve Us In Its Plot!
Hey folks, Harry here... The screenplay for VALKYRIE is outstanding. The cast and talent impeccable. Yet, there's all this bad word of mouth swirling around the film. Primarily because of it moving from this Holiday season, to next year in the Winter. But was this because the film is trash... or does this have more to do with what happened with LIONS FOR LAMBS last year? An excellent star-studded film buried by higher profile Holiday content. Perhaps moving to the Winter... perhaps it will give them a place to call their own for the film. I am highly anticipating this film. I've yet to hear from someone that has actually seen the film, it could be awful... I just don't think so. Will they do an Awards run for New York and L.A.? With a general release in February? We'll have to see. I like the trailer...
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Nothing about this excites me.
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Awesome!
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This movie will suck balls by the way.
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prolly not...
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looks badass
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way past first
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Kinda makes Cruise stick out like a sore thumb when he can't pronounce his "Saugen Sie meine Kugeln Hitler!"
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A t-rex wielding a broadsword.
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...and entirely in English?
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Seriously, why are they all speaking American English? At least they could have done English with a bad German accent... Shit...
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where's his accent? Thought he was supposed to have one...
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yeah it didn't mess up titanic but we know they don't kill hitler which takes away some dramatic tension.
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It really takes me out of it from the get go. The question is why?? I could see when it's something like ancient Rome, why they would just give everyone a British accent because who knows what the hell people sounded like then and British is enough to let you know that it's a foreign land. But German isn't some kind of impossible accent. Not only that but they have the accent of the very people the Nazis were fighting. It just seems like a cheat to me. Not to mention everyone is British EXCEPT Tom Cruise who, by comparison, sounds so ridiculously American. At least make it consistent, pick ONE accent that everyone should use.
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when Harrison Ford was on Letterman talking about that submarine movie he made, the widowmaker or something. and Letterman asked him why all the Russians spoke english. The dude walked off. haha
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We saw this trailer over six months ago.
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that they ARE speaking German, it's just we hear it as English, but...come on, WTF?
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But I guess they figured it would be best not even bothering with accents than shitty ones. Makes sense really.
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Read your history! Everybody knows this movie will only suck one ball.
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...the producers kept sending notes saying they wanted to use American accents fearing that the Russian accents would scare away the American movie going public. I'm guessing the producers had a hand in this strange choice of American accents in "Valkyrie".
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when they can't even be bothered to TRY some german accents? hell, why even don the Nazi uniforms? why not just have TC up there in his bermudas. we'll get the idea.
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but he looks horribly miscast in this. In fact the whole thing looks like shit, too "Hollywood".
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I think the lack of German accents is a good thing. The film is produced primarily for an American audience and has been done in English... I think it would be annoying to have to listen to the english speaking actors all faking German accents for 2 hours.... especially given that it doesn't make the film any more authentic. After all, the real people would have been speaking in German, not in English with German accents. That being said, I wasn't too taken by what I saw... it looked a little goofy. That eyepatch... i don't know about that Tom.
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Cruise's character was completely two dimensional, doing nothing but spouting off Republican talking points. And I love how they try to make it sound like Meryl Streep's editor is such an asshole for just wanting her to print the facts of the conversation. Isn't that a journalists job? If she wants to write an op-ed piece she should do it after the actual story. And I can tell Robert Redford why my generation isnt rioting in the streets. The draft. FORCE people to fight in this war and you'll see that turn around quick. "Why aren't you kids rioting?" is not the right question to ask, this isn't Vietnam. Not to mention the ending was so hammy with the two soldier basically committing suicide that it lost all credibility. By the way I'm a liberal.
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It's a way to bring people into the world these guys live in. That world is Germany, not only that but Nazi Germany, which automatically comes with certain connotations and British and American accents isn't one of them. Without German accents it's going to be impossible to forget that you're watching a movie. It might be a good story, but one that you can't immerse yourself in.
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Even without proper accents.
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EVER MADE. brian singer has absolutely zero credibility at this point. i wish t'wern't so but t'tis.
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Well, they would. My mom is German, and her accent pisses me off too. Goddamnit Mom, be fucking American, ya goddamn Nazi.
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Or even the English language. Meh. Everyone go watch DOWNFALL instead, what a fucking brilliant WWII movie.
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So why does the brand-new trailer still say Summer 2008?
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nice.
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Kevin Costner with no english accent as robin hood, haha.
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are annoying anyway. Besides, like someone already said, if they were really German they'd be speaking in German.. not "with a German accent". Anyway, if Cruise did have a German accent in this you all would be hating on him for how shitty it is.. even though it would be a thousand times better than you could do. I think the trailer looks pretty cool, but I guess it's not a Pixar movie so I wouldn't expect most of you to like it.
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So they don't have anybody do one so the star doesn't seem out of place.
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Watch Downfall instead.
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Kirk Douglas played a Frenchman in Stanley Kubrick's "Paths of Glory" but didn't bother with the accent. It would have been even more distracting for him to have tried it. So purists can complain about Americans playing various Europeans and there is so validity to that argument but Douglas gave a GREAT performance, accent or not. That said, I have LOW expectations for this film... not b/c of any of that or even b/c of that constantly changing release date but rather b/c it's Bryan Singer and he has something to prove. His last movie was the almost unbearable "Superman Returns" and the last time he dealt with Nazis, it was the completely unbearable "Apt Pupil". Here's hoping this one is better. I can't imagine it being much worse. (I like his "X-MEN" movies though, so I guess there is hope...)
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humor me
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But I think I first saw it re-enacted on Unsolved Mysteries or some such show. <p>Cruise is miscast here. He just doesn't seem to have the gravitas to pull off the role. Cruise's portrayal seemed similar to one we've seen before. I kept wondering when he would ask Hitler to tell him the truth and did he order the code red and to show him the money.
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im confused too...must have some dark secret.
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Because all of Bryan Singer's main actors are gay...
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Too bad the creators of that movie aren't behind this one.
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They spoke German in Germany.<p>They didn't speak English with a German accent.<p>If you want this to be realistic, it would be German with English subtitles. <p>It's a movie. Why is having Germans speak mangled English better? If this is what you're focusing on, then I feel sorry for you.
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The movie is going to suck because they don't have German accents. <p> Jessus Christ, you fucking morons. It's an AMERICAN film, aimed for an ENGLISH speaking audience. <p> Go back and suck on your mommmy's tit so we don't have to listen to your little school girl crying bullshit. <p> That said, this movie will be great. Despite what the ignorant crybaby piss-ants bitch about.
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Looks like he is one of many guys who came out of gate with magic then just lost it for whatever reason. A bunch of English-speaking Germans? With not even a German accent? How credible is this?
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"Party on dudes!!!"
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Seriously. This is like the 1995 studio-sinking Cutthroat Island. The script, production design, supporting cast and crew all seem first rate, but the entire movie will be dragged down by an egotistical star who doesn't know how or even care to act. All Tom Bignose Cruise does is smile at the camera, saying we're supposed to like him, and that's that. Just like Genna Davis and her husband-director who spent the entire Cutthroat shoot drowning themselves in high energy drink so they overdid everything, Tom Cruise doesn't seem interested in doing anything but reminding us that he's a movie star, thus dragging down an otherwise potentially kick ass movie. The lead role and director in this movie both such as well, and the entire thing will suck as a result.
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My bad. After my post came up, I saw yours. You said exactly what needed to be said. EXACTLY. Thank you.
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what's the story with Gone, and why it is gone?
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About the American Civil War with German actors speaking in German. It would obviously be for a German audience. Why will that movie not be made? Because Germans don't give a shit about the American Revolution. America is a country of immigrants and we are interested in other people's stories b/c their stories are our stories. So we make the movies for ourselves in ways we can identify with them. If Japan wants to make a movie about the Great Depression, more power to them!
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June 8, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST
This absent accents are for the Americans who tend to avoid...
by Bobo_Vision
...things that are a bit too "foreign", if you get me. Red states, I'm talkin' to you.
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June 8, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST
"Hitler, I'd like to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative."
by PirateEmery
Tom Cruise as... Nick Fury, Director of S.H.I.E.L.D.
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God this looks bad. It is bad enough that anyone with a 5th grade education knows how the movie ends. Sort of like that crap movie Titanic. No, the real problem I have with this trailer is that Cruise is the same as EVERY FUCKIN ROLE he has ever done except Born On 4th of July. A smirking prick who is more cocky than he is smart. Does anyone REALLY believe he is a German officer in the trailer or toy boy Cruise with a stupid looking eye patch? Oh well, back to watching the high def version of Battle Of The Bulge.
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I saw a picture of the guy Tom Cruise is playing, and he really does resemble him. As far as the accents, the fake Russian accents were the worst part of that Widomaker movie, otherwise, it wasn't bad. They did this for Hunt For Red October as well, and that worked out well.
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Accents are about a FEELING of authenticity. Sure, we know English equals German because subtitles can be annoying. It's theater. But the accents are like lighting and music in a movie--they help the mood, they help us believe. Tom Cruise is just a lazy, egotistical turd who can't be bothered to do something as basic in Acting 101 as learning an accent, so everyone else has to forgo an accent as well, i.e. giving a lesser performance, just so Mr. Big Star doesn't look bad. Seriously, someone ought to come up with a Valkyrie-like scheme to assasinate Tom Cruise and save the world from more terrible movies.
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I really want to know. I am fascinated by this almost-controversy. I don't even think it would be a bad thing, I am more amazed by the huge backlash from the TBers.
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I have no hate on for any one thing in this film, but it is completely underwhelming and I have no particular desire to see it. Looks like it should be on A&E or HBO as a special for war enthusiasts or something.
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... at least show that they put an EFFORT in immersing us into the story. <p>Without any accent whatsoever, it's as if Hollywood just came out and said: "hey, if you don't care, we don't care."
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Adolf Hitler ist der SIEG!
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...years ago? Nothing could seem less interesting at this point.
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Where is it?! Idiots!
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June 8, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST
Actually, Tom Cruise tried a German accent for this film.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
However, after watching the dailies, the producers grew concerned over the fact that he sounded too much like Colonel Wilhelm Klink...<P>"Dis-missed!"
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...subtitled epics in dead languages, but they make these pick a generic foreign accent fests look like school plays by comparison...
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I wish Singer would get this done with so he can focus on Superman... we are soooooooo due for an action packed Supes.... get the fuck on with it already!
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You see a homo, an alien worshipper, an ego-maniac... etc, etc. I know the whole Scientology thing is gay, but otherwise I kind of enjoy his flicks, from Top Gun to The Last Samurai.
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Good point. Schindlers worked pretty well, didn't it?
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You know it, baby.
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That takes me outta the movie. They should have gone the Mel Gibson route. Realism first, like making Jesus white, even though he had skin of bronze, d 'oh! Okay bad example. Apocalypto thats better. That worked because they spoke their native tongue.
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a few days ago, wondered why it was getting so much coverage (14 parts? a big geek thing I've never heard of before now?), read a bit, which was enough for me, moved on and promptly forgot about it because it looked stupid.
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English in a German accent implies broken english. Pure English suggests that they are speaking perfect German, but it's translated for us. But the best way to do this would be German w/ subtitles. but that would be hard to market to today's general public.
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the only way its realistic is to have them speak german and have subtitles. NonGermans speaking with German accents is just silly. get over it.
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Because we all know he is a Scientologist! You can't have a Scientologist playing a Nazi, it's absurd! Also, he doesn't really need that eyepatch! He should have poked out his eye for real if he wanted to play this role!
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...did they would have told him that Tom Cruise + eye patch = Saturday Night Live sketch.
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I disagree. Fake accents usually take me out of a movie and it's just not necessary in a film where all of the characters are "speaking German".
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Accents or no accents, it's not really a big issue. The REAL issue is that Tom Cruise CAN NOT ACT!!! Yeah, in Schindler's List they spoke English, and it worked, but Liam Neeson CAN ACT!!! Big difference. And Spielberg can direct! Cruise and Synger need to be banned from making movies. They both suck (probably each other).
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June 8, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST
"From the director of X-Men and Superman Returns..."
by cloverfield-of-dreams
For some reason, when I saw that it seemed to cheapen the "gravitas" of this trailer. And I LIKED those films!
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Nick Fury cameoed at the end of Iron Man's movie, so it would make sense that Iron Man would do the same in Nick Fury's movie.
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Actually, if it were a German film about the made American Civil War made for German audiences... yes, I'm fairly certain the characters would all be speaking German and not English. Or maybe German with an English accent.
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You know, the kind of show that FOX gives a 13 episode order for, but only airs the first 3 then decides to cancel it all.
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Maybe this could be the new villain for any POTC movies... Nazi Pirates!
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but i agree Cruise isnt very good at either. accents arent needed and they are usually a distraction anyway.
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Cool.
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Has anyone seen MIchael Grant's myspace? His blogs are pretty sad. Especially when he is talking about Stephen King his idol and comparing himself to KIng.
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I don't understand the delay and want to believe it's not because it ended up being less of its awesome parts, but we'll see. Hopefully soon. I think the trailer looks great and I don't care what Tom sounds like; he'll make me believe in his character no matter. *shrugs*.
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June 8, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST
Is this a different trailer than the one released before?
by flickchick85
It looks the same to me. Anyway, I thought this was delayed because some of the footage was destroyed in a fire or something. Whatever the case, looks good to me, despite starring Cruise. Fake accents would be distracting.
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Regardless of Cruise, Singer, or any sort of accent ... this film is at least BASED ON TRUE HISTORY (and, just for the record, the character Cruise plays was a handome dude who wore an eyepatch). So for my money this is already STREETS AHEAD of any candy-colored garbage with giant robots.
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June 8, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST
herzog should have helmed sebastian koch should have starred
by vestaxwax
and it should be in german
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Holy shit, shut up about the accents. You want the whole cast putting on fake German accents while they speak English? That makes even *less* sense than what you're complaining about.
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That was a piece of shit if ever I saw one. Seriously.
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it wasn't terrible either
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I have what appears to be Ben Ramseys draft for Dragonball (later heavily revised by Wong). <p> I can't guarantee it's validity and since it's an early draft, it may be worthless...but if you want it let me know and I'll send it on.
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Even worse is the way Cruise seems to be smiling through the film. What the fuck is that about??? I doubt these guys were joking around and smirking about killing Hitler? What was Cruise thinking?? Is he trying to play this guy as some kind of a Schindler-like rake? This is, ahem, sort of a serious fucking story, not Mission Impossible 4, motherfucker. What was Singer thinking letting him play it that way? And yes, the film would be infinitely better with German accents. We KNOW they are not speaking the correct language - we can make that leap of faith - but when they all sound like they just graduated RADA and the star like he just got back from surfing off Malibu...uhhh, NO. Not so much. Stupid stupid stupid.
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But it will be in TROPIC THUNDER, not this.
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Brando did the German accent in Young Lions. Why not Cruise? It's an acceptable choice in a WWII movie focused on the nazis. Been done a thousdand times before...
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Job opportunity! Gay Nazi Pirate!
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I WARM IT UP
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he didn't hold back on the kraut accent in Apt Pupil.
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From Downfall should've been Hitler. In fact, whenever Hitler is in a movie from now on, he should be played by Bruno Ganz. Also, Branagh played Heydrich in the HBO film Conspiracy. From the glimpses of all the cast in Valkyrie, everyone looks and sounds good except... Tom Cruise. Just don't think he can pull off playing a war-scarred Prussian officer. Looks and sounds too... American. Young. Fresh. I dunno.
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I need to know if they run into any more inverted cock elbows.
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Wait till you guys see the new one that's coming in a few weeks. It actually gives you a taste of what this film is REALLY all about. That is to say, it's fucking awesome.
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June 8, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST
and you know as horrifying as his death was
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
I don't think thats the last we will see of Uncle Sammy.
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Bwahahahahhahaha! We can rule the world!!!! OK...what next? Transformers 2? MCMXVII you with me?
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You're confused about bad word of mouth? Besides the fact that Cruise isn't even trying anymore? "Nah, I'll just be an American, people will know I'm a Nazi because of the uniform, I don't really have to act the part." People say "ohh well a German sounding English voice isn't realistic either!" Well it's more fucking realistic than just some American in a Nazi outfit. <p> Secondly, you serious? Lions for Lambs was the shittiest political commentary film to come out in the past few years littered with shitty political commentary film. It had nothing new to say, and couldn't even come up with an interesting way of telling it. <p> So basically, what I'm saying is, Valkyrie looks bad. But yeah, maybe it will look better because it's going to be standing along side shitty ass winter movies.
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Unless you're doing the story in the characters' native language -- Passion of Christ, Apocalypto, Downfall -- have them speak in English. Another recent war movie where the actors spoke English with accents to give the impression of their characters' nationality was Captain Corelli's Mandolin. The look of the film was top notch but Nicholas Cage and co. made their company of Italian soldier all sound like Chico Marx or something. Most confusing of all was Spanish Penelope Cruz playing a Greek girl with an accent somewhere in between.
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June 8, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST
remember when Sam's beast cock slipped on pussy juice
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
still hosing from between Astrids legs?<p> Ahhh Good times.
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I'm posting some spoilers from the Ramsey draft of Dragonball in the scriptgirl thread, if anyone is interested.
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You're so right. You have enlightened me. <p> However, you could also say that thanks to the existence of Hollywood all American historical moments have been reproduced into fucking oblivion so many times that they now must outsource to historical moments in other countries because those stories haven't been told yet...for better or for worse..
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American audience, sure makes sense it would be English. But as a large movie-going population, America has become more accepting of subtitles and foreign languages, while other nations might not give a shit about acting in the correct language. Look at Mel Gibson's movies etc etc. <p> It's just a sort of standardization now, it's expected to at least have the accent, because in the last 10-20 years Americans have lost their sense of disbelief (if Raiders of the Lost Ark was released today it would get slammed by AICNers). So accents are pretty much a must at todays day in age. Otherwise, it's just like wtf?!!
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evil dictator... trying to conquer the world... kills anyone in his way... hmmm... then again I'm not sure Hitler had access to volcanoes...
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Sex and the City made back it's budget in a week and continued on to a decent follow up weekend. Yeah, it wasn't in top 3 but this weekend everyone did pretty well. So, if they wanted to, they could GASP make a Sex and the City 2. Geeks cringe worldwide..
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Before someone corrects me, Stauffenberg, Cruise's character, wasn't a Prussian, he was Swabian. Southwestern Germany. Still a German officer. Which Cruise is not. Smiles too much.
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Nice eyepatch there, Solid Scientologist
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I think what's offputting here is that the people playing Germans are mostly speaking English with a British accent, while Tommy Boy is speaking English with an American accent. I wouldn't expect a German accent necessarily, but - they should've picked one accent and had the whole cast stick with it. My REAL question, though, is - does Tommy Boy dye his pubes blonde (onscreen) in order to seem more genuinely Aryan and therefore seem less likely to be a Hitler assasination plot hatcher?
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You gotta think the reason there aren't German accents is because Tom Cruise couldn't pull one off. Both Kenneth Branagh (played a Nazi several times) and Eddie Izzard can pull off foreign accents. It has to be Cruise. <br><br> I find it better ditching the accents all together is less distracting than a bad accent or an accent that comes and goes. You can forgive no accent a lot easier than either of the other two scenarios.<br><br> The trailer itself actually looks like a very good movie. Granted it wouldn't be the first time that a trailer editor has turned a piece of crap into a 2 1/2 minute masterpiece.
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I was contacted by a PR company that wanted to do the GONE promotion on the site. I made them send me a copy of the book, which I read and liked quite an awful lot. So I agreed to do the promotion... because frankly - the book is really something and I liked the idea of doing chapters from books on the site. And we will do it in the future - but without the option for Talkback.
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I'm sick of hearing this. Nobody's seen the fucking film so nobody knows wtf they're talking about. This is bullshit. People just make shit up on the internet.
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Good plan Harry. If it sucks as bad as GONE, we'll just make fun of it in other talkbacks. YAY! Bring it on!
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... but not young adult stuff. I mean have you read your reviews? Those alone are R rated.
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...Gone really did suck.
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good point
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sorry to all the great actors and a pretty talented director but what cruise doesn't make Scientology doesn't get.
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If you or anyone else wants to read what might, and I stress might, be an early draft for Dragonball, you can download it at dbthemovie.com <p> There are also rumours that a revised draft, maybe even the shooting script itself, might end up online in a few days. <p> I'm off to sleep...there are some spoilers in the scriptgirl talkback for the script if anyone wants to check them out without having to read the whole thing.
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Seriously.
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The problem was choice of book. Just a really poor choice for the first book. Toss up some sci-fi or something like that (maybe ever the first few pages of a new comic), it'll work beautifully. But teen drama? That's just not gonna work, not on this site at least. And no talkback options? That pretty much just means all other stories on the site will get hijacked, as has happened with the now deleted Gone stuff. Overall idea not bad, just poor choice to kick it off.
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so we've got tom as a pilot, a bartender, a spy, a lawyer, a samuri, now a Nazi.... boy has he go a range of characters......its a shame he plays every role the same......somebody please give the man some acting lessons.....
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You can't stop TB. You will sell your website to the highest bidder (no shame in it, if you ask me) but act like you are a sell-out whore by trying to stop TB when they will just discuss it on another board, turning your site into chaos. Do you realize how foolish you look at this moment? I mean, really... just plain stupid.
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Wow, I need an editor...
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list evey lame as carbon copy "acting" job cruise has had?
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Gee did I have to list every Lame ass carbon copy "acting" job cruise has had?
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This trailer came out last November.
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The story of one mega actor, and how we went from 100 Million dollar guarantee, to box office poison. Sad really because I think he's a fine actor. Take note hollywood people, you get paid to make movies, not political or religious propaganda.
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I am General Zod. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order. Your lands, your possessions, your very lives, will gladly be given in tribute to me, General Zod! In return for your obedience you will enjoy my generous protection. In other words you will be allowed to live.
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This film could use some cg gophers!
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Isn't this the exact same trailer that came out a few months back? I just watched it and I'll be damned if it's different from the other one. So we're getting a whole new article for a trailer that's months old... Curious.
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Wtf... can't handle the criticism? LOL That's the biggest, weakest cop-out bullshit I've ever seen on this site. The main reason this site has such a huge following is because of the interaction. If you want to shove horrible cheeze-tastic teen books down the throats of your loyal (opinionated) base... you should really have the balls to take what they give back. Doing what you're suggesting will alienate alot of people here, I guarantee it.
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yeah, I mean, I didnt like Gone either, but now ALL the threads will get hijacked.... lack of accents are dumb. Bad guys (ie Nazis, even the "good ones") have accents. Period. The english ruins it. Tom Cruise looks like hes freaking 25 in the movie. Should have gotten someone older. Not only that, he looks like a freaking anime character with his pretty boy looks and the eyepatch. This should be high tension, dark drama, with subtitles, not something that is so polished with freaking one liners in the trailer.
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Wah Wah They don't use a German accent. If they all tried to use a German accent, you would all cry wah wah it sounds like shit this sucks. This movie looks sick, get over your irrational and completely conformist hatred of Tom Cruise. The guy made mistakes, don't we all? He makes good flicks fairly consistently. Doing the German would have just been an unnecessary pain in the ass with all the A-class English stars and Cruise. It's just a movie, the German accent is ugly and funny sounding, no one wants to hear it for 2 hours, and you should try to just be excited for the movie instead of hate if before you even see it if you actually claim to enjoy film.
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Jordan also had a better team.
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It's the button that says "Word" on your computer. Click it and this program called "Word" pops up and lets you type stuff into it, and also features neat things like the ability to edit what you type as well as spell check it. So, read the article, press the "Word" button, type what you want, edit and spellcheck, and then paste it onto whatever talkback you want. <p></p> Actually, I'm kidding. Lack of an edit button is perhaps the worst thing this world has ever seen. More blood has been shed and more kittens slaughtered because of the lack of edit button than any war in the history of everything.
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Thanks for agreeing octagon, but looking through these talkbacks, sometimes I just can't believe the things these fuckers say. They hate EVERYTHING. Nothing is ever good enough, its not exactly what THEY wanted, and they nitpick and shit on everything. Makes me sick, none of you are worthy of buying a movie ticket. "Harry you've lost credibility" blah blah blah. This site is fucking awesome, and you all talk shit like if you didnt have this site youd have anything else to do with your lives. You're all a bunch of spoiled little bitches. get over yourselves. Harry is allowed to like whatever the fuck he wants, just like all of you are. I fucking hate all of you.
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Tom seems miscast in this role.
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Just look at The Hunt for Red October. Except for the first ten minutes the entire crew of a Soviet sub spoke english with only a few speaking with a Russian accent.
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owned
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I'm going to check it out. Singer hasn't disappointed me yet- yes I like Superman Returns, get over it.
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June 9, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST
GEORGE LUCAS KNIFED MY TAINT!!!!!!!!!!
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Micheal Bay isn't even human, he's a disguised cock elbow.
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but thats just between us right?
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DOTS WHY AHM GONNA KIL YOU LAST!
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If it's just for me and all.
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Fact.
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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=35142834
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http://tinyurl.com/3mb77z
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TC looks incredibly like the guy he is portraying (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3271387.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=2C48553CC6AAB74CD9B08026AAF729F1A55A1E4F32AD3138). With Christopher McQuarrie back as a writer for Singer - who is a solid director to boot - this is promising.
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Get real, German accents worked just fine in The Odessa File (a Jon Voigt flick from way back) and they lent that film an authenticity that you wouldn't have otherwise - the important thing about accents is that they give you a sense of place, the film's set in Germany with German characters - the actor's accents should remind you of that.
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and observe the natural way he acts in his movies and take note. Once Cruise gets past his stilted performances and one note acting out of the way, maybe, just maybe he can win an Oscar. However, now that RDJ's career is back on track, I am much more looking forward to seeing what's in store for him.
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Downey's just a better actor.
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June 9, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST
Don't know about the film but that trailer deserves an Oscar:
by newc0253
Best Use of Kenneth Branagh in a Movie Promotional Short.
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It's like he was trying to put a bit of a German accent in there but couldn't get it right, so all his lines sounded rushed and weird. Not sure I'm that interested in seeing this, especially since we know how it ends... ;)
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Damn You Michael Bay
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about a failed plot to kill George W. Bush, everyone would have a German accent.
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Plenty of his peers could have made the effort to nail a convincing accent, I personally find it jarring to hear him amidst the RSC English and german accents of the supporting players. The story is interesting enough, though the outcome enevitable, seems this is going to stan or fall on the strenght of Cruises performance.
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hes only made one truely good film and i'm starting to think that was a fluke. Also you can't blame the cast for not speaking german or with an accent someone (i'm guessing singer) obviously made that decesion early on. I will of course hold judgement on the film until i get to see it....
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...starring the fat, angry, Unreal-tournament-playing, German kid from youtube as Hitler.
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called conspiracy. and he was asked why did they make the film without speaking in german accents and branagh said. They wanted to get across the fact that at the end of the day and despite the murderous acts carried out by the Nazis, humans are capable of just about anything when they abuse power. that made the film more chilling.
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If this movie ends the way samurai did von Stauffenberg will survive. STUPIDEST ENDING EVER. It had this character who wanted to die moving toward the inevitable, charging a machine gun across open ground and the one white guy survives. Terriffic! Fuckers. Hey do we get to see dudes hung up with piano wire? That would be sweet.
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plus did you know that ol mother hubbard, founder of Scientology, was involved in a ritual called Liber 49? eh? and that John Travolota was in a movie called ladder 49? Coincidence? I think not. Hang on, there is someone at the door. I'll be right back....
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Using his popularity to promote Scientology, a truly horrid organisation that should be charged with countless abuses of human rights, particularly against children, and guilty of many other heartbreaking situations for thousands of people. Boycott this idiot's movies and say no to scientology! http://www.holysmoke.org/more-theta.htm
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Looks hot in this trailer :)
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
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Remember: Halle Berry is an Oscar WINNER and she can't act her way out of a wet paper sack. See Catwoman, any X-Men, and pretty much anything ele she has ever been in as proof.
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My career is on a slow downword spiral at the mo so I need all you film geeks to get out there and give my picture a big thumbs up!! You should know by now what will happen if you don't - it will involve my mighty science-fact based religion, thetans and the sucking of the filthy cruise cockiod. I really enjoyed making this film for two reasons. 1. The patch means you can't see that i'm cross eyed. 2. The jackboots with high heals made me at least 3 inches taller. I'm a five foot six monster in this. You love me. Suck the Cruise cock!
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Give me a break. I know some people don't care about "some" historical accuracy because they like their films dumbed down or dubbed because they sub-vocalize the subtitles. It isn't hard to fake a German accent. Geez, these actors are up there and they can't even pull this off? That's probably why it has a bad vibe surrounding it. It's like making a film about Stalin starring Hulk Hogan as the baddie. "A single death is a tragedy brother, but a million deaths is ratings." AICN TB: "Fucking. Brilliant."
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You actually made me laugh, thanks!
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Three acting moves by Tom Cruise: (1) pretend you're taking a shit (2) toothy, inappropriate laugh (3) emphasize point with index finger knuckle, like Bill Clinton. He's the littlest samurai!
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Christ, how on earth does the characters putting on fake german accents some how make it more realistic? Yeah cos it makes so much more sense for the germans to be speaking english with german accents wtf? If anythnig that makes it more fake as it highlights the fact that they're germans but speaking something that isn't their mother tongue. It's far easier to suspend my disbelief by having them just speaking with their normal accents and, being the smart viewer i am, knowing that they would be speaking german in germany and i'm just hearing it in english. <br><br> "Vee have to keeel hightler." Oh yeah that fake accent made the film better for me.
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..."Oh, foreigners!" when they see a group of Americans or Englishmen speaking with faked pseudo-accents (which said idiots would be unable to recognize, anyway)? Is that how it works for them? They see two Americans speaking not in German, but in English, saying "Ja, zis is goot! You are right, zis is goot!", and they think "Yeah, these are two genuine Germans speaking German! What a great scene!"...? Then they see Hitler's doppleganger, saying "Hello, old chap", and they think "Who the hell is this? He kinda looks like Hitler, but he's obviously not supposed to be Hitler, because he's not speaking English with a weird accent of which I have no idea, but which I would nevertheless call German!"...? Is this how their strange little minds work?
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...rather than "US, UK, Australia and all other locations where English is the native language", because the twats who seriously complain about "the unrealistic lack of accents" seem to come only from the first two places. For some reason.
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It makes even less sense than to have them speak in their natural tongue. If you want then to go full out and do the film with subtitles, then I see where you're coming from. However, we all know they spoke German and not English or English with a German accent. As an audience we can suspend disbelief.
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I can't make it through the first fifteen seconds of that trailer without being hugely distracted by Cruise's lack of some kind of an accent. Honestly, a high-ranking Nazi with an American accent? For television shows, maybe. Not for big-budget films. I usually don't care much about these things, but with Cruise it's intensely distracting. I like Tom and think he's done some good acting work in his time, but he's so American that he should've "gone there" and learned a German or British accent to distinguish his character. I'm actually very suprised he didn't.<p> "Valkyrie" could be a nice recovery for Singer after "Superman Lifts Things." Hope so, anyway. I'm not saying the movie won't kick ass, but my first impression is that Cruise's accent is supremely distracting. We'll see.
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suck
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I just watched the trailer again and can't stop cringing from that nails-on-a-chalkboard accent. My god it took me right out whatever else was going on. Was it a movie about Nazis? I can't even remember.
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I used to love your work, buddy. This, may be a bridge too far. And I agree that the accent Cruise is using is distracting.
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That's why they keep pushing back the date.
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all english speaking actors playing Russians and Germans. no accents in that one. bad ass movie.<p>no accents = not an issue. this movie brings to light a piece of history that most folks don't know about. i'm stoked for it.
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You know it'll be in there. Don't say it won't!
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It's a good point, Gatsby Omlet. Most of the time accents aren't an issue for me. I realize actors and directors make choices and as long as the story is solid, people will enjoy it.<p> But remember "Schindler's List?" Liam Neeson gave us a convincing German accent, which went a hell of a long way toward manifesting his deep character. It seems to me that Bryan Singer saw real-life photos of von Stauffenberg, got excited cuz he looked like Cruise, and made the call, not considering whether Cruise would actually sound like or be appropriate for the part.<p> Can you imagine an action flick where Saddam Hussein speaks with a smooth American accent? Or a Chinese dictator sounds like he's from Brooklyn or New York City? It'd be weird and wouldn't work.<p> Your point is still a good one: accents shouldn't matter that much. Then again, can you imagine an actor playing George W. speaking in a stark Russian accent instead of a trademark Texas drawl? Yeah. That's why I'm having a hard time with Cruise. It sounds like he didn't even make the attempt.<p> We'll see.
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Costner-Robin Hood 'nuff said.....
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My Netflix queue is getting bleak. Any dvd reviews coming soon?
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Horrid idea. By far the best and most attractive thing about this site is the free, relatively unmoderated, Talkbacks. <P>If you put up something sent to you by a PR agency and then disable people's ability to reply all that will happen is that everything will get flooded with angry keyboard happy geeks. Don't geld the TB, Harry- it's a terrible mistake.<P>Me, I couldn't give a toss- I didn't read it in the first place, and I won't in future, but I can see this is a mistake.
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it wouldn't matter if the English was consistent. But cruise sticks out like an erection at a lesbian wedding. It simply reminds the audience that they are watching a film. <P>Another bad idea.
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There's no British accent, huh? Gee, I guess that's why Queen Elizabeth speaks with such a soft French drawl.<p> I understand you're trying to make the point that accents don't matter in films, which is fine, but you're torpedoing both your person and argument with statements like "there is no british accent, you plebs."<p> I'm here to let you know: I wouldn't tell people in London, Bristol, Leeds there's no British accent. They might lose all sense of reality.
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There is no "British Accent", and I would tell any of the examples you give that. If they spoke Queen's English I would say "English" accent, else they're scouse, Manc, Geordie, Mackem, Cockney, Jock, Taff etc
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failed. That is, the theory why the bomb did not kill Hitler. It comes down to a clumsy officer being slightly inconvenienced.<p>Anyone count Cruise's fingers? He's wearing the eyepatch so I have to think he should also be missing some fingers. That does, after all, play a part in how the bomb was designed.<p>From what I gather, regarding Gone, I have to think it wasn't Harry who thought to remove it. It was probably the PR company asking him to do so after seeing the intense negative reaction it got in the TBs. I'm sure everyone involved was hoping it would be the next Twilight. Instead, it seems it became, around here at least, to be the next Batman & Robin, Jon Peters' Superman, and the Sex and the City Movie, combined.
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as far as I'm aware and I haven't read any of it or the TB', is that it was a piss poor book that was completely out of place here. <P>If it had been more appropriate (and good)then I'm sure it would have gone down well. The idea is a good one, but the execution was fucking abysmal and turning off TB's on future book chapters is very much blaming the TB'ers for Harry's mistake. <P>People here are suspicious at the best of times, and when something as wrong and sub-par as Gone hit they were on it like a fucking rash. This is not a surprise.
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I think the trailer is a good one and the film may actually be good. Let's all be honest, the reason everyone is talking crap about Cruise is because he jumped on Oprah's couch and he is part of Scientology. I do not care about how much in love he is or what his religious beliefs are, I only care about his films. I did not see his Lambs film, but this movie looks pretty good and could be very intense. The deal with the german accents not being there is something that properly needed to happen. I would not be surprised that in the beginning of the film all the characters would be speaking german and then there is a pause and everyone switches to english. It has been done before and it would not be a problem.
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Hmmm. Yes if Brando could do it, why not Tom Cruise? After all, they are practically the same person. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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June 9, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST
I don't understand people dissing Cate Blanchett's accent
by half vader
in Indy 4. The character had an English education. It was consistent the whole way through. And if you've ever watched any of her other stuff you know she can do any accent without breaking a sweat. Can anyone enlighten me as to why she was supposedly so awful? <p> As for Valkyrie, Tom doing a German accent is probably like Madonna trying to rap. And yes it's strange, but only because we're all so conditioned. The whole American accent = good guys, English accent = bad guys is pretty silly too, even if it does work. So is foreigners supposedly talking in their own languages by speaking English with an accent. Like I say, we're all used to it, but the concept of an accent substituting for people speaking in their native language is actually ridiculous. Especially in films based around real-life happenings that go for any level of authenticity. I'm not talking about Pathfinder here. <p> It's actually quite insulting, considering it's basically because the average English speaker is either too dumb or too lazy or too secretly bigoted to read subtitles. <p> P.S. Barnaby Jones - and that one was a remake of a Kurosawa film anyway!
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Stauffenberg was no idealistic hero, he worked for his own agenda. Just a power hungry jerk, like any others. Very problematic movie...
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I've seen the 2004 german TV Film by Jo Baier with Sebastian Koch (Life of Others) - it's historical more accurate then Cruise's and will be distributed by the Weinsteins. Good for comparison.
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Well, not all of you, but the ones who are complaining about the accents have no idea about the history of film. So you're mad about Cruise not having a German accent but you're okay with him speaking English? How about the British actors in the movie? Are their accents just European enough for you? This is a Hollywood movie, and a director has to make a choice at one point what the rules of his movie will be. Bryan Singer could have used all German actors, but the studios would have never greenlight it. The acting, and the story are the important things here. And by the way, Tom Cruise is known for being able to master accents (not in his movies of course). Brian Depalma says Cruise does the best Tony Montana impression. Singer, obviously decided that having some actors (American or British) speaking in a German accent is pointless. Just read up on your film history folks before you start making stupid comments
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The headline gave the impression that this was a new trailer. So is Harry wrong about the release date, or is this an old trailer from when the film was originally scheduled to go out this summer, then this November/December Holiday season and now early next year?
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I thought that guy was dead.....
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... I keep thinking about that whacky Star Trek Enterprise episode with the Lizard Nazi.
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Stop you whining and watch the movie.
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Or is he wearing the big-ass platform shoes from BATTLEFIELD EARTH?
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separating the real-world, couch jumping, "you're glib Matt", posing with Katie Holmes and kid Cruise, from the characters he plays is I think most of his real-world stuff is also an act. He seems to play the same character in the public eye as he does on screen. <p>It's not the lack of accent that makes me think he's not really trying. It's the seemingly lack of effort in inhabiting a role that is different from the one he plays offscreen. Acting is more than just line delivery. It's in mannerisms and facial expressions. As someone noted above, Cruise has a limited range of expressions. His taking-a-dump" face, his 1000-yard-stare, and his trademark grin.<p>I have found that Cruise is at his best when playing a well-defined character, such as Ron Kovic, or Lestat, or Frank Mackey. But everything I've seen of him here is Maverick in a Nazi uniform. The eyepatch and uniform isn't enough to create a character. Good acting is more than a decent wardrobe. I hope he can pull this off but I haven't seen evidence of it yet.
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This looks terrible! Everyone knows that all WWII-era Nazis and Ancient Romans have perfect upper-class British accents. This is interesting, because WWII Nazi and Ancient Roman ALIENS, on the other hand, speak with "American" accents, and the latter with much echo effect added. Hence, ergo, Tom Cruise is an alien.
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My brain needs an edit feature. Although Maverick was in the military, the character I meant was Kaffee from a Few Good Men. "Kaffee in a Nazi uniform". With an eyepatch.
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I'm there...possibly
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Did he hide in a fridge?
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I don't recall anyone pissing and moaning when Sean Connery didn't try a cheesy Russian accent in Red October. All this complaining about a lack of accents is just fanboy nitpicking. BTW, the bomb didn't kill Hitler because it was hidden under a table that had slabs for legs and the slabs were made of concrete and reinforced steel -- or something like that. It was dumb luck he wasn't killed. I can't wait to see this film, should be a fun ride.
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worth seeing that movie just to see the little kid spotter hanging from the pole - gotta admit - never saw it coming
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Where were the accents in that? Think they are speaking with period-accurate accents. Seriously - lightendafuckup- its jus a fukkin moobie.
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Hitler survives because the bomb was made by the same guys who made those grenades in Die Hard 2. Once armed it takes several minutes to go off, giving Hitler time to strap himself to his chair and face away from the blast.
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Both believed in a system that was biased and misinformed, both looked down upon those who were different or didn't support their cause and both thought they were better than everyone else. But, at least most Nazis were legally sane. Can't say that about Scientologists.
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They should have cast anyone else in that role. Tom Cruise still looks like he's 25 years old and his acting is truly average at best. How is this guy still a 20 million dollar actor? HOW?!
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and the execs, simple creatures that they are, are unable to conceive of multiple factors contributing to the success of a film so they break it down to things they can understand: actor, director, producer. In the past 10 years he's been in mostly successful movies (either financially or critically, sometimes both):<p>Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia, MI2, Vanilla Sky, Minority Report, Last Samurai, Goldmember, Collateral, War of the Worlds, MI3, Lions for Lambs.
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He just has a bad Thetan infestation.
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Conspiracy.<p> It's brilliant, and has some of the same cast members.
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but it'd require ALOT of self depreciating humor. Multiple episodes (perhaps an entire season) of South Park would be required.
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<br><br><br>At that point it is no longer offering your readers something to read and discuss like everything else on the site, and becomes nothing more than you giving the publisher an ad disguised as an article.<br><br>What's the reasoning behind no talkback? I can think of only one reason to not allow it: Because the publisher didn't like the negative speak about their product on their ADVERTISMENT page. Pathetic. The site is truly run by $$ now.<Br><Br><br>
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You gotta love Germans with West Coast American and British accents.
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Claus von Stauffenberg lost an eye after his staff car ran into a mine field. He lost his eye and several fingers. Thus, the eye patch. The accents do hurt the film imho. If they were all bland American accents...I'd buy into it. But, the fact that Cruise uses a West Coast accent...and Kenneth Branagh utilizes a muddled Northern Irish/English accent and Eddie Izzard a British accent..pulls me out of the film. Storyline: Their fate? The plot failed and Claus was executed. I'm not sure how the film will perform...the public is finicky.
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June 9, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST
Harry? ShiftyEyedDog2, Although A Monkey, Makes A Valid Point
by georges garvaren
Will it be paid programing if there are no talkbacks? I weight that question with no ethical judgments attached. Will this bring about a "new" format for AICN? Will this mean that a studio could work the same deal: no talkbacks, just the words of an AICN staff member? If so, where will I go? What will I do at work? Don't say work . . . don't you dare say work!
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It will be fine, it's just like casting Sean Connery as a sub captain who is Russian but speaks the language with a Scottish brogue...
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Did someone just freaking compare Sean Connery to Tom Cruise?
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Obviously in that case, the director would make a decision before the film is made, how to go about making sure the audience knows who is from what country. If that means using different accents than so be it. Singer, and directors who have come across this problem in the past go about it in different ways. It seems here that most of the characters are German so it won't be confusing to the audience as to who is from where.
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If Singer puts a "Based upon a true story" tag at the beginning of this film I will immediately seizure and pass from this earth.
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Metal Gear Cruise
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Yikes! What a crappy trailer. The music was all wrong and it did nothing to make me want to shell out 10 bucks. But, I'll probably see this movie anyway because I'm a fan of Singer. hey movie fans, check out this great movie blog on blogspot. it's called thebitterproducer
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On what planet is LIONS FOR LAMBS an "escellent film?" Just wondering.
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Will he survive? I wonder? BTW, how did Titanic end? I didn't see the movie...
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I'm sure this has been mentioned already, but I'll be damned if I'm wading through all of those comments to make sure of it. Why on earth does it bother people that the actors aren't using German accents? They're speaking English, dumbasses! Do you think the Germans spoke English with German accents? If you're going to complain, and you really shouldn't, at least not about the accents, shouldn't you be complaining that they didn't speak German and subtitle it in English? Morons.
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Pondscum's right. (Howard Johnson's right about Olsen Johnson being right.) The others are fine, but Tom Cruise's West Coast speak and Maverick crazy grin (which is glimpsed at least twice in the trailer alone) will pull us, the audience, right the hell out of 1944, when everything and everyone else in the movie is laboring so hard to put us in the time and place. Should've never been a Tom Cruise star vehicle. Heck, the plot is kind of a downer anyway unless Tom Cruise substitutes a doppelganger at the last minute and escapes with his family to Switzerland and Argentina. Which no one in America will catch because no one can be bothered to learn a little history in this country.
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