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Forest Of The Dead!! Doctor Dan and Handsome 12th Go Nuts For New Showrunner Steven Moffatt’s DOCTOR WHO 30.9!!

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Steven Moffatt takes over as “Doctor Who” mastermind starting next season, and the new Moffatt-scripted episode, which hit the BBC only moments ago, seems to justify his appointment. “Doctor Dan” gives it five out of five:
DOCTOR WHO 4.9 – " Forest Of The Dead" (Part 2 of 2) Writer: Steven Moffat Director: Euros Lyn Cast: David Tennant (The Doctor), Catherine Tate (Donna Noble), Alex Kingston (Professor River Song), Colin Salmon (Dr. Moon), Eve Newton (The Girl), Steve Pemberton (Strackman Lux), Mark Dexter (The Dad), Jessika Williams (Anita), Talulah Riley (Miss Evangelista), Harry Peacock (Proper Dave), O-T Fagbenle (Other Dave), Jason Pit (Lee), Eloise Rakic-Platt (Ella) & Alex Midwood (Joshua) The Doctor continues to fight the shadows in The Library, as Donna finds herself transported to a strange new reality... Well. It's already a cliché to praise Steven Moffat's work on Doctor Who, but is there anyone else who has the imagination and skill to rival him? Forest Of The Dead is a superlative conclusion of last week Silence In The Library, with The Doctor (David Tennant) trying to stave off the Vashta Nerada's shadow attacks with the help of Professor River Song (Alex Kingston), while Donna (Catherine Tate) finds herself waking up in a strange reality – where the mysterious Dr. Moon (Colin Salmon) guides her through a dream-like life of marriage and kids... The best thing about this conclusion was how well it explained relatively minor plot-points from part 1, while developing the concept into more interesting territory. Donna was essentially stuck in a Matrix-like utopia of marital bliss, and the true nature of Dr. Moon and The Girl (Eve Newton) had real punch to it. Even the return of Miss Evangelista (Talulah Riley), as the Morpheus to Donna's Neo, worked very well – and the sight of her warped features the kind of quick horror to make kids turn their heads away. Indeed, Moffat was canny enough to have The Girl's own reactions (watching Donna and The Doctor's escapades on her television) echo the real reactions of Who's younger audience – like burying her head in a pillow. Once again, Catherine Tate did fine work as Donna – making the most of a subplot that remained powerful and emotional despite chronological jumps. Despite not being the focus of the episode, Donna's realization that her children aren't real was still poignantly handled, and the loss of her "husband" Lee (Jason Pitt) also struck a chord. David Tennant did sterling work, as usual, helped enormously by Alex Kingston as River Song. One of the best aspects of this episode was how it revealed the depth of their relationship – as she knows secret knowledge about him he'd only share with someone very special. A future companion with even more resonance than Rose? Or, as strongly inferred, his wife? It's all kept a little vague, wisely – but I certainly hope this is something Moffat will return to once he takes over Doctor Who in 2010. It's certainly something that can't be ignored, so I hope Alex Kingston has agreed to make a return (probably for a long time) in some future season of the show. She certainly proved herself in this adventure, so fingers crossed for more River Song some day... There was an echo of the recent Doctor Who adventure Human Nature/Family Of Blood in how Donna's memory loss prevented her from realizing she was living a "fantasy", but everything else was pushing into relatively fresh territory. The central "virtual reality" idea may be in vogue because of The Matrix, but it worked very well and wasn't a straight copy of that idea. The added complexity surrounding River Song and the mystery of what CAL is also helped keep things fresh, even after you'd quickly worked out what Donna's situation was. Overall, Steven Moffat really knows how to end a story. The closing 10 minutes were stunning as the emphasis shifted onto The Doctor, as he realized who River Song must be, and the foreshadowing of The Doctor's far-future "spoilers" no doubt made many fans giddy with joy. It really did seem like Steven Moffat used these episodes to give is a taste of the complexity, emotional highs, and resonance he'll hopefully be enforcing in season 5. I doubt episodes like Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead will become the norm in season 5 (as they fly over the heads of most younger fans), but if the spirit of them can be maintained it's going to be an extraordinary time. A fantastic episode on every level. Any minor complaints aren't really worth mentioning, thanks to the sheer weight of things this conclusion gets right. It was just great to watch a Doctor Who story and be properly swept along, with the situation and revelations became increasingly more significant and emotional. I haven't felt like that since watching Family Of Blood in season 3. And I defy anyone to not feel jazzed about Moffat becoming Doctor Who's executive-producer when The Doctor snaps his fingers to open his TARDIS door... now that's cool! The Good 1. David Tennant, Catherine Tate and Alex Kingston – all superb. Kingston in particular did very well, particularly considering she's not au fait with Doctor Who. I really hope we see her again, which we should do if they've hopefully made an arrangement with Kingston to come back... oooh, 2012? 2015? Who knows. 2. The story was wonderful on every level; emotional, intriguing, intelligent, exciting and with a fantastic sequence of mini-climaxes. The fallout for Donna and The Doctor was brilliantly handled and I was surprised by how much I cared about little things like Donna's kids and her husband. 3. Some excellent CGI for The Library planet. The cityscapes reminded me of something you'd see on the front cover of a pulp sci-fi novel. And the shot of The Doctor in a tube-like walkthrough, with the skyscrapers beyond was brilliant – if far too brief. The Bad 1. The Vashta Nerada took a backseat somewhat, and the "Suit Monsters" turned out to be less frightening than I'd hope for – quickly becoming sympathetic. 2. Some overuse of the sonic screwdriver, again. It can even tint helmet visors now? Still, there was more than enough good stuff to have you overlook that writer's crutch. The Geeky 1. This episode's original title was River's Run. 2. There are echoes of The Matrix in this episode, as well as the 1976 Doctor Who serial The Deadly Assassin (which, coincidentally, involved a virtual reality program called The Matrix). 3. CAL is also the name of the graphic company that created the Doctor Who opening titles between 1987-89 and the show's first CGI TARDIS. 4. Many Steven Moffat stories involve people dying of natural causes and being resurrected in some strange way. 5. Eve Newton (The Girl) unsuccessfully auditioned for a role in the St. Trinian's movie, which starred Talulah Riley (Miss Evangelista) 6. In The Girl's bedroom, she has drawn a picture of a blonde girl and a wolf – echoing Rose Tyler's involvement in the BAD WOLF storyline of season 1. But why would that be? The also has a Robbie The Robot toy from The Forbidden Planet. 7. The Doctor definitely has a "real name" (which he only shares with people very, very close to him), and can now open the TARDIS doors by snapping his fingers – Fonz-style. Rating: 5 / 5
“The Handsome 12th Doctor” says:
Yes! That's how you end a story perfectly. And not just once but twice. Moffat more than any other Who scribe is able to blend sci-fi ideas with character driven drama to great effect. Tonight's episode was a shining example of this. It built on last week's opener in a whole heap of ways before reaching its spot-on conclusion. All the big questions from the first part were answered. Such as who the little girl with the library in her mind is. Who is Doctor Moon? What's happened to Donna (far odder than you likely imagine). And more importantly who is River Song, and what is her relationship with the Doctor? I'm not going to tell any of that here. You'll have to watch it. But I will say it was fricking skill. The dialogue was up to Moffat's high standard, ranging from funny (the computer's "Sorry for any inconvenience") to the downright cool as fudge ("Look me up"). It was marvellously directed and edited, constantly flipping between the two places yet still managing to remain coherent and building up suspense. And it looked very smart. More impressive cityscapes, and I liked the trip to the core effects. We don't need to say how good Tennant is any more so I'll move on to the rest of the cast. Alex Kingston was again excellent and gorgeous in equal measure. Steve Pemberton had more to do this week and was great. Colin Salmon was tops as ever. Now it wasn't all completely without faults. I wasn't keen on the trapdoor escape as that felt out of place to me. And I suppose some people are going to make comparisons to *that* film (even though that film didn't do this concept first). But those are tiny niggles, and I'm only really putting them in so that I don't sound too much like a raving fanboy. When in actuality I am. The show was ace! Long live the Moff!

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  • June 7, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    wasnt the overuse of the screwdriver

    by Falcon5768

    something they even SAID they where going to go out of their way to avoid 4 years ago?

  • June 7, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    that was awesome.

    by pastabake

    It was.

  • June 7, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    loved it...

    by Deak the Geek

    will we see river run with a new doctor? is Moffat planing something.

  • June 7, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Sublime. Utterly sublime.

    by BiggusDickus

    If this is an indicator of the standard of quality when Moffat takes over, then we are in for a Golden Age, people.

  • June 7, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    the Grand Moff era..

    by Deak the Geek

    don't you just get a feeling of excitement in the pit of your belly when you think to yourself...steven moffat is taking over Doctor who....aaaahhhhhh

  • June 7, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    "Hey, who turned out the lights?"

    by Billy The Fish

    Mister Moffat does it again. I sat there watching the first few minutes of this (Donna and here *new* life) thinking 'How in God's name is he going to resolve this?'<p>I needn't have worried though. This was easily the highlight of Season Four so far. I really hope that he's building for the future. Like I joked on a previous post - River Song and Bill Nighy's Doctor for 2010 - how mind-buggeringly awesome would that be?

  • June 7, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    minutes before mignight...

    by sithelder

    Excellent two-parter - but was less than intrigued by the Midnight teaser. Kathy from Eastenders anybody?

  • June 7, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    The only flaw...

    by Kelvington

    was the loss of the little wooden ball. It just disappeared and never came back. Overall, a very good episode and the ending after the ending was excellent.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Wooden Balls

    by sithelder

    Amen to the wooden balls comment. Apologies for my spellings.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Thanks NukeMyFridge

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    We do our best. :)

  • June 7, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Is this as good as it gets??

    by Derek up North

    This was perfect Dr Who as far as I'm concerned. I was watching this with my 8 and 10 year old children and their reaction to everything in it - the humour, the tension and the (mild for us grown ups) horror - was exactly what I went through back in the Patrick Troughton era. There is a unique appeal in watching a programme with your children which you remember from when you were their age, and seeing this new Who being bold and inventive but still clearly rooted in the values it has always had (and which Stephen Moffat understands so much better than Russell T Davies ever did) is a joy to treasure. Now bring on the rest of the series - next week looks like a filler but I bet that after that it's one big build up for the finale.

  • IT WAS PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But, I already knew that!!!

  • June 7, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, BTW...............

    by axcel1

    Perfect review, too!!!

  • June 7, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Billy The Fish

    Agree wholeheartedly, mate! <p>Moffat simply treats the viewer as an intelligent person capable of sussing things out for themselves without having things telegraphed every few minutes. I too had exactly the same thought as you - that the 'Rose' finales to the season will inevitably not be as good as this. <p>In fact, after the three-part 'Master' arc last season (coming as it did after 'Blink'), It wouldn't surprise me if we were in for another effects-heavy disappointment to round things off.<p>John Simms - for fuck's sake! When they had Derek Jacobi in the fucking studio? Madness!

  • June 7, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Finally a Two-Parter than Ends Solidly!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I have been disappointed with some of the recent two-parter which promise so much in the first episode only to lose momentum in the finale. This is definitely are good sign that Who will move from strength to strength.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by carefulsilly

    It was simply stunning. The man can do no wrong and Ms Tate and Ms Kingston were astonishingly good. What Moffat does so well is lay the foundations and he never cheats, the clues are all there... Just fantastic. And hey don't grumble re: next week it's DAVID TROUGHTON and LESLEY SHARP for God's sake! Amazing cast. Incidentally I thought Colin Salmon would have made an excellent future incarnation of the Doctor.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    I hear ya, Billy The Fish

    by DECKERS

    Ol RTD royally fucked up the Masters return, so their is no reason why he won't turn this finale into another overblown mess. Didn't I read on a fansite that Simon Cowell (yes, ITV's charmless low-brow entertainment pedeller) has a 'significant role' in an upcoming story-I hope this was some very late April fools joke. Having said that, RTD just LOVES shoehorning in a celeb, dahling!!! Tonights episode was great, except it semed strange that the Doc was happy to leave River living in 'the matrix'-with no further contact with him, when he knows she is to become a significant figure in his life. Minor point though in which was the best story this season.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Sonic screwdriver + psychic paper

    by Antifanboy

    I don't usually watch that DW Confidential show that they have on BBC3 afterwards, but this episode, whilst very good, was a bit convoluted and stand-around-giving-answers in places, and I was hoping to get more insight about River Song. Moffat pretty much said she's a future companion and this two-parter was him setting up for his run. However, both he and RTD addressed the sonic screwdriver and psychic paper issue, saying with 45 minute episodes they can't have the Doctor being unable to identify himself in a new and hostile place, being locked up and then not being able to escape through a locked door EVERY SINGLE EPISODE. I can buy that. Though I agree it's more interesting when they find a different way of doing that...

  • June 7, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    PS Colin Salmon

    by carefulsilly

    Imagine him as The Master! Oh he's have been amazing!

  • June 7, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Another Moffatt Hugo Award in the bag then

    by palimpsest

    A done deal, after that ep. Glorious telly.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Gents - settle a bet willya?

    by Billy The Fish

    I'm sure I heard that the excellent Colin Salmon was one of the choices for James Bond last time round, but when I voiced this opinion in the boozer, my mate said I was hallucinating. Anyone care to comment? Ta!

  • June 7, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    moffat and tennant raise the bar

    by earlfist

    just like the darin morgan x file or whedon buffy episodes, moffat has possibly reduced the rest of this season to rubble as this was by far the best two parter ever. Also no more alex kingston for the time being. Fabulous direction again. Loved donnas diet line. The final flourish with the screwdriver and the implication that the doctor has not yet come into his best era... Superb myth making. Tennants enthusiasm and charisma really shone thru so i hope he stays for the movie. Fantastic episode. Or episodes.wrote this on a phone so sorry for spelling. No time to slag off the anal spoiler loving reviewer this week. Now back to that beer.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST


    by DECKERS

    ...his name was bandied about a while back....but is obviously never came to anything.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Billy The Fish (re:Bond)

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    Colin Salmon was indeed put forward as a possible Bond. And would have been superb if you ask me.<p>I think what went against him is he'd already been in the Bond films as another character.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    oops (well done reviewers.)

    by earlfist

    i meant no NEED to slag off the reviews this week.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Pierce Brosnan recommended him at one stage

    by palimpsest


  • June 7, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    The Handsome 12th Doctor...

    by Billy The Fish

    (Does that mean you're secretly Bill Nighy?)<p>Anyway, thanks for that! I though I'd imagined it after one too many Newcastle Browns!<p>Cheers for the excellent review, by the way. Long may you reign, sir!

  • June 7, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    You too, Mr. DECKERS!

    by Billy The Fish

  • June 7, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I'd love to be Nighy

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    But I'm not. My name comes from the fantastic Doctor Who spoof 'The Curse Of Fatal Death', which was filmed for Comic Relief a few years ago. If anyone hasn't seen that I'd recommend you check it out. It was written by some fella named Steven Moffat.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Ok, try this for fanboy fantasising...

    by Billy The Fish

    Moffat will be in charge next time round. We like.<p>But consider this - rumours are already flying that Neil Gaiman is in the frame for penning an episode. If that's true, then why not add Alan Moore to the mix? I mean, the guy cut his writing teeth on Marvel's Dr. Who comic and they're both ex-2000ad scribes. <p>Can you imagine a Season 6 with Bill Nighy's Doctor, Alex Kingston's assistant/wife and stories by Moffat, Gaiman and Moore?<P>I think I've just come...

  • June 7, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    anti-screwdriver watchers..

    by Lemming

    It might help to think about the fact that he clearly adds to it's capabilities (as evidenced in this very episode), but also bare in mind he rarely uses it for anything other than opening/closing doors and switches of all kinds or using the quite literally 'sonic' elements to it. It's just like Batman's utility belt.<p>Oh, and the two-parter was great.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Loved it...

    by Sprout

    I can't wait for the new golden age when Moffat takes over.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Best Episode Ever....!

    by TheLaughingJuggler

    I've not read all the stuff quality..well done moffat are the man

  • June 7, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    best episode this season

    by palewook

    and possibly best 2 parter from the new series.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST


    by Cedar_Room

    Moffat did it again. Loved the bit about the Doctor's real name (what could it be???? hope we never find out), more foreshadowing about Donna not being around much longer. The only thing about River Song and how she ended up - it doesn't have too much emotional weight because we don't know her character yet. I'd imagine that watching this back in a few years, once Alex Kingston has been in the show for a while, and seeing all the things she said come true it will have much more power. Just a tiny gripe though for what was another brilliant episode from the Grand Moff. By the way - does all this Bill Nighy talk have any basis in fact or is it just fanboy wet dreams???

  • June 7, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by Billy The Fish

    It's probably just fanboy wet-dreams, but I got hold of it a few weeks back and I ain't letting go.<P>The very first Doctor was a curmudgeony old bastard and I for one want another. Who better than Mister Nighy?

  • June 7, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Obviously that read 'Curmudgeonly'...

    by Billy The Fish

    Spelling goes out the window after three bottles of 'Hobgoblin'...

  • June 7, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's real name...

    by BiggusDickus Hurling Frootmig.<p>You heard it here first...

  • June 7, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    As for next week's ep

    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    The trailer for next week doesn't look too hot. I agree it has filler written all over it.<p>Though can I take you back to the end of 'The Unicorn And The Wasp' when the trailer for this library story didn't make it look any good either.<p>I'm not suggesting next week's will be as awesome as this two-parter. I'm just saying C'est la vie say the Who folks, it goes to show you never can tell.

  • June 7, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Billy The Fish...

    by BiggusDickus

    Your Season Six is probably the greatest television ever...<p>And Hurling Frootmig is a throwaway 'Hitch-Hiker's' name.<p>But you knew that anyway...

  • June 7, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    total agreement about next week's ep...

    by lynxpro

    Looks weak. Must be an episode written by the weakest link in the Who script department... Moffat however totally rocks.

  • June 7, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    payoff after payoff - just wow

    by Dreamfasting

    I could echo all the sentiments above about this being a fantastic payoff of every thread, every scene in part 1, but what amazed me was the change of tone - it wasn't just the second hour of a two hour story, it was "ok, now that we've set up a complex and dangerous situation, now let's turn around and show just awesome, determined and frightening the Doctor (and friends and passing acquaintances) can really be sorting it all out." Once it got rolling, there was such a sense of payoff and closure that it felt more like a season finale than just the 2nd half of a 2-parter.

  • June 7, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Midnight might be good...

    by danowen

    ... a friend of a friend apparently saw a preview tape of Midnight, and said it proved RTD *can* do something satisfyingly dark after all. Make of that what you will. I doubt it'll get anywhere near this two-parter, though. RTD loves broad stroke storytelling, and doesn't have the creativity (or time, in many ways) to sit down and properly work out a complex sci-fi story like Library/Forest. I still think his Davros finale will be fun, simply because of the Dalek creator's presence. And, even though s3's finale was a damp squib, the general sweep and high stakes of *all* RTD-penned finale's are good fun.

  • June 7, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Like it or dislike it, this show is incredibly well-made.

    by CasaultyTV

    It used to take three months to travel across the Atlantic, and here I am in 2008, watching this episode a mere two hours after it airs in Britain. Thanks to you all you who use Pirate Bay! I didn't think the screwdriver was overused this time, it's clear that he uses it just to do one thing at a time, like masking their faces, rather than an intricate set of functions on an MRI computer, like in "Smith and Jones." I do admit it's been perhaps too-heavily relied upon before, but damn if that doesn't make me want one even more. Sometimes it is used instead of the Doctor's own genius, but this time around, he figured it all out himself. Or at least, his writers did. I have no complaints about this episode at all, but if I were to do something different, it would be the scene where he crawls, hanging thousands of feet above the surface, after a dramatic exit, back to safety. We see it through the Girl's TV, and although I did like how she echoed the viewer's own reactions throughout the show, let's be honest, the Doctor was hanging thousands of feet in the air with his screwdriver in his mouth and going hand over hand to safety, like Cliffhanger and the Empire Strikes Back combined, and we see maybe four seconds of it through someone else's viewpoint. It was probably the most dramatic point, at least from a bodily harm standpoint and it was almost overlooked. But maybe it was too expensive, I don't know, I don't write the checks. All in all, a fantastic episode that was better than any American show I can think of, and totally worth the trip to Hell I've incurred by torrenting it before Sci-Fi airs its edited version. I cannot wait for the rest of the season, the specials and whatever Mr. Moffat has in store for the future. Keep up the good work.

  • June 7, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    jesus f'n christ

    by Mad Max Rockatansky

    moffat's episodes are the absolute best. just imagine what he'd do for a season finale! i cant wait for him to take over.

  • June 7, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Just finished watching it and loved it

    by davidaball

    What a joy to watch. Densely plotted and just the right amount of bravo. What I really enjoyed is a sense of not knowing what will happen next eg who will die and who will survive (Although I wasn't far wrong) The ending took me completely by surprise (The final ending that is) Still there are some major plot holes and the Vashta Nerada (is that how you spell it?) were a little too easily delt with considering the way they were built up in episode 1. And despite only knowing River Song for two episodes I did really feel for the Doctor in those scenes. Just one questions what did happen to that Diary???

  • June 7, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    There's a Next Season?

    by mistergreen

    I thought the doctor was going on hiatus for a whole year.

  • June 7, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    i heard there'll be no show for a year or two

    by Mad Max Rockatansky

    but they'll make 3 tv movies like the xmas specials, but in addition to the xmas special.

  • June 7, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    "It's certainly something that can't be ignored"

    by Logo Lou

    Of course it can. In fact, it would probably be better if it was. Well, not ignored, but never full fleshed out. I'm of the mind almost nothing from the often discussed Time War should ever be shown. The Doctor's relationship with River Song could easily be another mystery of the Doctor's that never gets fully answered. I mean, we still really nothing about Susan from the very first Doctor!

  • June 7, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    River: near or far future?

    by Dreamfasting

    I agree that she could be left as a mystery never actually seen again, something left off screen to our imaginations. Although they could easily use her as a companion starting next year. But with all the references to this being "the early years", I like the idea of it being a well-packaged plot hook left to simmer for 30 years from now until after the show has faded from the screens and once more been revived.

  • June 7, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    the could never show the time war

    by Mad Max Rockatansky

    didnt the doctor say he cant ever go back to it or else he'd risk changing the result?

  • June 7, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    hmm emperors new clothes

    by Mr_X

    im not getting it. i thought the episode was ok. The whole VR world concept has been done to death from sttng, to stargate. I like moffats work, this wasnt his best work so far. above average over normal dr who fare, but by no means the masterpiece that everyone seems to be proclaiming it to be.

  • June 7, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    It was alright.

    by DoctorWhat

    I enjoyed the emotional content of the episode (Katherine Tate and the little girl playing Cal were both excellent), but I thought the plot was predictable and lazy. Who hadn't figured out who that the little girl was the CPU of the Library and that she had saved all over the people to her hard drive? Seemed rather obvious from the very start of Part 1, I thought. I was also disappointed that Professor River Song didn't turn out to be Romana. Admittedly, that was just a pet theory of mine, so I can't really hold that against the episode itself... In any case, this 2-parter was certainly better than many of the episodes this season ("The Doctor's Daughter" and that terrible 2-parter with the Sontarans spring to mind). It was far from Moffat's best work, but still made for enjoyable TV.

  • June 7, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Excellent Stuff...

    by Rogue Planet

    ...especially the ending, which was a classic about-face that you don't see coming. Everybody lives, Donna...just this once. EVERYBODY LIVES!

  • June 7, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    an excellent episode!

    by RaveX

    and just one more proof that doctor who works best outside of 40 minute time limit. wouldn't mind seeing a 3-part episode soon. <p> especially if it's written by moffat. <p> oh, and I stay by my claim that river knew current doctor, not his future regeneration. which should (hopefully) mean that we get to keep tennant for some time now. <p> but after a couple more years, if he really has to go, I so much agree with the whole bring-on-teh-nighy plan. <p> on the downside, next week looks rather... well, weak. <p> on additional downside, I'll probably be too busy mourning the death of col. tigh to even remember to watch it.

  • June 7, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    erm, MOFFATT, not moffat

    by RaveX

    the man deserves to get his name spelled right.

  • June 7, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    RaveX: The man's name is Steven Moffat.

    by DoctorWhat

    M-O-F-F-A-T ( It's always a good idea to do a Google search before you correct other people.

  • June 7, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I wasn't correcting other people

    by RaveX

    I was correcting myself, because I saw the headline and thought I spelled it wrong. <p> still, my mistake. but in my defense, I spelled it right the first time around. it was herc who threw me off. <p> I'll grab the torches, the rest of you take pitchforks and let's get him!

  • June 7, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Name...

    by Kelvington

    I suspect if they are smart they will wait to the final episode of the final series to reveal his name, which will probably be ... Lieutenant or maybe Cosmo.

  • June 7, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    Loved it

    by FrodoFraggins

    I loved the two-parter and am also excited about moffat taking over. This two-parter made me think about the inevitable day when Tennant's doctor will transform. That's gonna be a sad day for me as he's definitely my favorite doctor, just ahead of Tom Baker.

  • June 7, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST

    River Song was most likely....

    by Average J.

    The Doctor's wife. He said there was only one way he would give his name. He'd have to give his real name in his vows. Otherwise, it wouldn't be binding. He knew she was his wife. It makes sense. Oh, great two-parter. I love this show.

  • June 8, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    ever notice Moffat has Harry Osborn hair?

    by lynxpro

    That just dawned on me. If Moffat had red hair, he could be an older [comic book] Harry Osborn (with a Scottish accent). Watch out for those Goblin Grenades!

  • June 8, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    how come when tennat shouts...

    by FamousEccles

    ..I still can't hear him over the music.. the excellent dead ringers took the piss out of that few times ... liked the story but not alex kingston. did it really need to be a two parter though [can't believe anyone doubted where the 4,022 people had gone after ten minutes of part 1]. any truth to the rumour of a death match between the doctor and col. shepard for title of best hair in the universe...

  • June 8, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    I SAID IT BEFORE............

    by DECKERS

    ..and I'll say it again fanboys, there will NEVER again be an older Doc (sorry Nighy pushers). On primetime TV in 2008 generally fit people are only allowed to be heroes. Look at Robin Hood-he looks about 12!!! Primevil anyone? Tennant is easy on eye for da ladies and any new Doc will have to be too-its one reason why RTD's WHO has taken off as entertainment for the whole family to enjoy. The number of female friends I have who only watch for David and his sonic screwdriver...:) It's the world we live in guys!

  • June 8, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    about tennats term...

    by FamousEccles

    ... much talk that he wants to move on soon [could be after bigger pay slip] but moffatt is apparently good friends with james nesbitt...he'd be cool as the doctor.. RaveX, like your idea of bill nighy too...they'd be like the doctors of yesteryear...need over the top costumes many regeneration has he got left? also does the doctor have to be a male...keely hawes...mmmm!!!!

  • June 8, 2008, 2 a.m. CST


    by The Marquis de Side 3

    LOVED the episode. it was creepy and scary and funny and fun. 70s WHO is BACK, man! =0) and that moment with the name, the REAL name of the Docotr... TOTAL GEEK LOVE! can't wait for Moffat to run the show now.

  • June 8, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Hurling Frootmig

    by Shan

    Not just a throwaway Hitchhiker's Guide reference. He created the Guide. <p> Also, he's still probably out to lunch.

  • June 8, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    hey, deckers..

    by FamousEccles

    ...the females many species swoon for the nighy, I've seen it happen...doubt he'd go for weekly tv though...

  • June 8, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    I meant...

    by FamousEccles

    the females of many species

  • June 8, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Loved it!


    10/10. Simple.

  • June 8, 2008, 4:19 a.m. CST


    by BiggusDickus

    'Death of Col. Tigh'?<p>Like a few people I know, I'm not watching BSG on SciFi, I'm waiting for the box-set, so this little spoiler of yours... bad form, sir!<p>Go outside and give yourself a hearty slap. And take the bloke who spilled the beans about Cally with you, too.

  • June 8, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Logo Lou/Mad Max Rockatansky...

    by BiggusDickus

    How about doing an entire season around the Time War with Paul McGann?<p>Great way of filling Tennant's year off and a fantastic bit of retro-continuity!

  • June 8, 2008, 4:32 a.m. CST


    by DECKERS

    Just remembered a conversation I had with a geek friend in the pub re. next Dr-he put forward Kris Marshall (early My Family, BT ads) as a candidate-I laughed at first then thought about it...he does have a sort of geeky coolness like Tennant-may make an easy transition from the present doctor. In the BT ads he portrays a kind of quiet authority-and can you imagine 'so..I AM ginger!' Interested to know what others think.

  • June 8, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Again another awesome episode

    by Lloydywho

    Wow, fantastic. nuff said

  • June 8, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    holly mother of christ

    by ianrewel

    I loved loved LOVED this! pitch effing perfect

  • June 8, 2008, 6:12 a.m. CST


    by drunkenmonkey73

    The Doctors AKA the Fonze, clicks his fingers and Tardis door opens. two episodes too long, and enough of the over acting cheesiness. Leave that to the Americans.

  • June 8, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    What's next though....


    Sorry to cast a damper, but the worst thing about last night's ep was...the trail for next week! Utterly underwhelming. Then I see that ALL remaining 4 episodes are written by RTD and 3 of them directed by Graeme Harper. A good director, but is he best to reign in the 'Master's excesses? Call me cynical, but how do you follow this sublime 2-parter?

  • June 8, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Don't see the problem with sonic screwdriver

    by Dazzler69

    I would use one all the time also. What he should run around with his arms tied behind his back also? Who is opposed to guns so he has to make up for it right? His daughter was pretty hot this last ep. I would not mind a spin off with her if you know what I mean...

  • June 8, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Absolutely FANTASTIC episode

    by Steve Rogers

    Huge congrats to the cast, who were uniformly superb, and to Moffat - the last minute 'a-ha!'-style twist at the end was utterly brilliant. Expect great things from series 5!

  • June 8, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Oh, and stop pimping Bill Nighy for the Doctor!

    by Steve Rogers

    a) He most likely wouldn't do it anyway, b) the Beeb aren't going to go for an old Doctor after casting young actors for the last two, and c) let's not rush Tennant out the door! He is superb in the role and I for one hope he sticks at it and goes for Tom Baker's record. The scene with the handcuffs and "you know my name" - totally awesome.

  • June 8, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Deckers - I fucking hate Kris Marshall

    by Steve Rogers

    Annoying goon of an actor. Since you asked what people thought!

  • June 8, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    The doctors Daughter

    by drunkenmonkey73

    Tennant is actually dating her in real life. Did you know she is the real life daughter of a previous time lord. Peter Davies.

  • June 8, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    That was pure Who magic.

    by gotilk

    Bring on the next season NOW!

  • June 8, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    That's Peter Davison, not Davies ...

    by Shan

    How soon we forget.

  • June 8, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    A way a lone a last a loved a long the

    by rosasaks

    riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Peter Davison, not Davies by shan

    by drunkenmonkey73

    I thought about double checking but couldn't be bothered.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST


    by ledsyrus

    Yes I think I know what you're saying, and I had a similar thought.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Drunken ...

    by Shan

    No big deal. Some people can name the ten doctors in order. Others like yourselves obviously have a life. Which group I belong to I will keep to myself on the grounds that I might incriminate myself.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    As for how soon we forget ...

    by Shan

    ... well Peter Davison did leave the role 22 years ago, so it wasn't recently really.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Excellent Who from the Moffat man

    by football

    Just to second everyones thumbs up for this Who episode. Opening the Tardis door by clicking his fingers was a nice touch too. Could this be a teaser for what we'll be getting when Moffat takes over: a swaggering, powerful Doctor? I can't wait for the changing of the guard as Moffat understands Who better than anyone else. I give this 2-parter an A+

  • June 8, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Good 2 parter but ...

    by puddleduck

    Firstly, the next Doctor will still be young, or rather, at least look under 45? why? Because the current Master is younger :) Secondly, as someone mentioned, female fans :) It is now cool to watch the Doctor, whereas in Patrick's day, only true sci-fi fans watched the Doctor (sorry Patrick but no-one could call you a stud-muffin) Good 2 parter but far too many plot holes for me to be content with it... May I point out the most completely obvious flaw, 2 sonic screwdrivers... the Doctor in handcuffs and has a sonic screwdriver still on him??? He doesn't need to be Houdini, all he needs to do is point. Didn't like the trapdoor, didn't like the way the dust in sunlight piranhas were so easily dealt with. Why were they so willing to die? They checked the Library to read up on the Doctor but so many books are pure fiction, why would they believe the Legend to be true and concede defeat? And so one could go on, picking holes. There were many points I did like, Catherine Tate's acting for one but overall, the gaps in plot jarred.

  • June 8, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    One characteristic of great Doctor Who....

    by the_angels_have_the_phone_box memorable quotes. "Forest of the Dead" I've seen whole armies turn and run away. And he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the stop EVERYWHERE!!!

  • June 8, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    One characteristic of great Doctor Who....

    by the_angels_have_the_phone_box

    ...memorable quotes: "I've seen whole armies turn and run away. And he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the stop EVERYWHERE!!!" - River Song

  • June 8, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Puddleduck - he doesn't have the screwdriver on him

    by Steve Rogers

    If you listen to the podcast commentary, RTD is at pains to point out that the screwdriver is lying on the floor out of his reach. In fact they "smudged" it out in one shot because it looked too close to him and DT could've touched it with his foot.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Awesome Episode

    by Purgatori

    I still stand by my claim that if we ever have to lose Tennant that they de-regenerate him back to Paul McGann. I would have loved to have seen him do more than audio dramas (which are excellent) and that 2 hour movie. But I'd still cry when Tennant goes away.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by ckane123

    CAN NOT WAIT until Moffat takes over nuWho full time. Unfortunately, only four more episodes to go, and we'll have over 5 months without any Who... Sob.

  • June 8, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Just my opinion on a couple of things........

    by axcel1

    Sonic Screwdriver, pllllleazzzze, he has it, he uses it, come on!!!! David Tennant, could you all stop trying to push the man out the door? As I said in an earlier post, he stays until I'm on my death-bed, which won't be for another 50 years, end-of-story. Lastly, any chance you wonderful fans of Doctor Who could sit back, relax and enjoy the LAST 4 regular episodes of Doctor Who? I mean, negative comments for the next episode just from the trailer? I will end this post the way I always do, I hope you all enjoy the next episode of Doctor Who, I already know I will.

  • June 8, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Count Scalioni - "City of Death"

    by the_angels_have_the_phone_box

    "What do I care about the human race - SCUM - the tools of my salvation!!"

  • June 8, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    It wasn't THAT good...

    by the grev

    It was an alright episode but it wasn't THAT good. The Vashta Narada (or whatever) completely took a back seat, and took a lot of the dramatic tension with them. Part 1 was much better. In fact the piranhas of the air became pretty much non threatening - everyone was running from room to room without checking the shadows anymore, and once they found a way to tell the Dr who they were they practically vanished from the story. Donna taking ages to realise something we already knew - that she'd been downloaded - also helped kill the tension (although the freaky face was good!). Maybe it all works better if you see both episodes back to back, though in my opinion Moffat kinda blew it.

  • June 8, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by The Handsome 12th Doctor

    You're right, we shouldn't judge episodes by their trailer. But sometimes it's hard not to. Next week's does look like a filler ep to me. And a copy of "Nightmare At 20,000 Feet" at that.<p>Then again I could be wrong. It might be ace. I hope it is. And if it is then I'm sure everyone here who has said it looks rubbish will hold their hands up and say "Ok, I was wrong".

  • June 8, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    It made me cry.

    by mfitt

    I thought it was going a little slow, but then it went like crazy, I was welling up over the end, and then another end came along! It made me even worse! The wife carried on playing on the DS and missed the impact of it. Roll on the repeat.

  • June 8, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    River Song

    by the grev

    I don't want to see her ever again!! I'd rather have the mystery of knowing she's part of some future history of the Dr's we'll never be told. He's over 900 already (and apparently still young, despite his previous incarnations as a collection of motley old gits) which presumably means that he could live at least another 9 centuries, if not longer. If you assume for the sakes of argument that each Who season = one year of his life then only a small fraction of his adventures will ever be shown. keep the mystery!! Same goes for the Time War - if they ever make the mistake of showing that, it's bound to be completely underwhelming.

  • June 8, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Doctor Lite

    by ScotiaNova

    Only 4 episodes to go and one of them is the Doctor Lite episode (maybe even Doctor-less?), which from the sound of things will be practically every New-Who companion looking for the Doctor.

  • June 8, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST


    by gingy

    Thanks for the BSG spoiler man

  • June 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    The Handsome 12th Doctor, it's a nice thought, but......

    by axcel1

    After a fantastic 2 parter, everyone and their grandmother is going to think the next episode is s**t, well, everyone and their grandmother but me!!! Also, does anyone have any new info on the last 3 episodes? I mean, NEW new.

  • June 8, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Tennant and his contract: News!

    by V'Shael

    David Tennant was on the morning show with Andrew Marr (who has cameo'd on the show himself) on BBC1 this morning (Sunday 8th June) and he was asked about the upcoming year. David said that he'd be doing 4 specials, but wasn't sure if they were one hour long each, or what. He starts filming in January 2009. <p> When he was asked about a 5th year, he hummed and hawwed and eventually said, that the truth was, he hadn't been officially ASKED about year 5 yet. <p> So Marr asked him, if he was offered year 5, would he stay? <p> And Tennant said, he'll wait until he's officially asked, before thinking about it. <p> It didn't sound to me, like he was keen to do a 5th year, and maybe plans are already afoot to kill him off next year.

  • June 8, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    "Does anyone have any new info on the last 3 episodes?"

    by V'Shael

    Well, I read the scripts, so I don't know how much is already known. <p> Small spoiler ahead.... <p> I can tell you, that when the Dr. went running back to the chair to save the ghost of River, he left Donna with the diary. <p> And as we'll find out, she read it. At least, she read about her own future.

  • June 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by Fuck The Napkin

  • June 8, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's Daughter

    by Fuck The Napkin

    Moffat is the one who asked for the Doctor's 'daughter' to come back to life at the end of her episode, so it seems like he's got something planned for her.

  • June 8, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    more on the Marr show..

    by pastabake

    *potential small spoiler* Tennant also let slip that John Barrowman would also be present with Donna in this series. I don't know if this was widely known, but it was news to me *potential small spoiler over* I wouldn't read too much into Tennant's reaction. If he really hasn't officially been asked then it'd be bad form for him to say he wished he could stay. No matter what he had to be evasive. I think he more than likely has been at least asked if he's interested. As I said in a previous talkback, I think it would be a little rash of the BBC and the Doctor who production team not to inquire about it when they decided to replace a whole series with 4 specials to accomadate him.

  • June 8, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I think it was known... the guest cast list

    by V'Shael

    for the final episode was known before the series started. (I read it in SFX magazine) and they said it was penned by RTD, and guest starred everyone (Spoilers) <p> like Capt. Jack, Martha, the Tyler family, and even Sara Jane and K9. <p> Spoiler over <p> So I think that information has been on the net for at least 2 months now.

  • June 8, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    My theory

    by V'Shael

    on that cast list, was that they all cameo'd for a regeneration scene at the very end. Remember how the Doctors companions used to appear during a regeneration?

  • June 8, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    oh well...

    by pastabake

    (spoiler) not as groundbreaking as I thought! to be honest i could do without sarah jane and k9. Well we know there'll be no regeneration, if not only because of Tennant's word, then the on set photos for the chrimbo special. So what big thing will go down? a companion blood bath? bye bye donna and rose? hope not! I'm off to the states in 11 days, with no way to watch the Doctor - So I'll have to wait till september to find out what happens in the last three episodes! gutting!

  • June 8, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    X-Mas Special

    by ScotiaNova

    Tennant has already filmed this years X-Mas special, so no regeneration series 4 (although interestingly David Morrisey (one of the "rumoured" candidates for the 11th Doctor) reteams with Tennant against a classic "Who" baddie). On the PodCast audio commentary for last nights episode featuring RTD/Tennant/Moffat Tennant asks Moffat if he has to submit his CV for series 5 and noises him up about James Nesbit being kept on speed dial.

  • June 8, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    BiggusDickus & gingy

    by RaveX

    ffs people, it's not a spoiler. <p> it may happen. it, also, may not. <p> I got a feeling from the previews for next week (that I'm not gonna describe to you. because... that WOULD be a spoiler) it MIGHT come to be. see, that is why I put word "probably" in "I'll probably be too busy mourning...". <p> I kind of hope it doesn't happen. in that light, here's couple of other "spoilers" for you: <p> I would hate to see adama go psycho next week, and starts killing random people in the fleet. <p> also: <p> gee, I sure hope that galactica doesn't transform and turns out to be starscream in disguise. <p> it would kinda suck if rose appears in this season finale and we find out she's actually doctor's father. <p> it would make me really sad if it was locke in that casket. no, wait...

  • June 8, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    This Episode was THAT good!!

    by lostbat

    These were the best Dr Who Episodes ever!!! All u critics get a life!!!

  • June 8, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    my understanding

    by Cedar_Room

    was that there would be no new series next year so to allow Tennant to do other things, therefore meaning he doesn't have to leave the show. We still get our helpings of The Doctor through the specials, but Tennant gets a year off from the punishing Who schedule and will then return again for series 5. If he was leaving during/after the specials there really is no point putting the show on hiatus - and given the money it generates I'm sure the BBC would just have gotten someone else in to play the Doctor if Tennant was leaving. I think, and I also really hope, that he will stay. Quite simply, at this moment in time, I can't see anyone doing it any better.

  • June 8, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    David Tennant is THAT good

    by lostbat

    Who needs a Nighy, or somebody else.. For me the best Doctor as long as I am able to watch TV.

  • June 8, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    V'Shael - don't read too much into hemming & hawing

    by Steve Rogers

    Tennant has *always* done that - it's his stated plan to always try and keep people guessing about if/when he will leave the show. I think we're due another couple of years of DT as the Doctor at least - and bravo for that! Like I said before, I really hope he hangs around and goes for Tom Baker's record. He is simply brilliant in the role. The fact he is a huge fan shines through in his performances (as well as the fact he is a fantastic actor - the smile on his face when he opened the Tardis door by snapping his fingers was priceless).

  • June 8, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    RaveX You are not THAT funny

    by lostbat

    Go and talkback somewhere else. You are polluting this space, Moron!!

  • June 8, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Tennant's Gap Year

    by ScotiaNova

    Even though it seems like Tennant is slacking off by doing his RSC stuff 2009 is going to be hectic for him if he's staying on. They are filming the 4 specials January to March 2009 and if past schedules are being kept to they'll start filming series 5 from June-ish onwards.

  • June 8, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Pastabake Re: "off to the states"

    by Bill Clay

    You're in luck, friend. Sci-Fi channel in the US is already broadcasting the current season of Dr. Who. This week's episode will air in America on June 27, so you'll be able to see the 4th series finale in July over in the colonies! ;)

  • June 8, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Proper Dave lives

    by proper

    Shame my earth name ain't Dave,I would've bought that action figure(thats shameful I know,toys are for kids only,lucky escape),oh well,I'll take it as a tribute anyway :>.That was a good story,I hope we don't see River Song again,nothing personal,I just don't think we have to have every single gap filled in,I thought she called him Yanni but then again I don't want to know that either :),The writer was laying bait all over the place for you/me/us,don't bite,don't bite(say it like Alan Brazil).The sonic screwdriver multitasks,dont get annoyed everybody,It doesn't bother me anyway,nor does the paper.I've enjoyed this series so far,I hope Davros kills everybody,more Daleks :).Bigguth= how can the same Sh@T happen to the same guys twice,poor form innit :).In my opinion,people should stop overspeculating on new doctors and enjoy what we are watching besides he would be a mug to leave,kids love him,men respect him and it isn't doing his chances with very British looking women any harm is it?,good work mate,keep it up.

  • June 8, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    I was dissapointed

    by punto

    It seemed like he was just trying to reuse the formulas that worked on previous episodes. "Everybody lives"? that was one of the most memorable episodes from season 1, but it didn't have nearly the same impact here. The same with the whole "the shadows kill you" deal (which is similar to what happened in "Blink"). Weak.

  • June 8, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    If you think that was weak

    by INWOsuxRED

    how do you even sit through other episodes without killing yourself?

  • June 8, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    seems to me...

    by mr. flibble

    like Moffat, and indeed a few other writers have been playing up to the power of the Doctor. Its familiar with what they were trying to do with Sylvester McCoy, greater sway over peoples lives and choices over the fate of other beings (like here with the Doctor suggesting to "look him up"). But with this undercurrent of a dark side, a threat that he has the ability to obliterate a race if needed, again like the 7th Doctor not through direct violence but manipulation. With McCoy it was a planned thing to integrate the Doctor into timelord history and make him in essence a reincarnation of one of the 3 founding Timelords, references to "more than a time lord" were made and things were planned but held off as they weren't sure whether it would undermine the mystique of the character, also the series got shutdown. There seems to be more instances where they are playing up the power of the Doctor now, Mofatt must have a idea of season plotlines and the direction, he'll want to put his own stamp on things, perhaps this could be something he'd bring up again. Oh and with Mofatt now i'd say James Nesbits chances are even greater when the time comes to choose the next Doc.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    No they didn't

    by V'Shael

  • June 9, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Good Episode

    by Lost Jarv

    not the best ever, but easily the best of the series. <P>And please for the love of God NOT NESBIT. <P>Good ideas- Robbie Coltrane, Colins Salmion, Bill Nighy, and (although I hate him) Kris Marshall. Bad ideas- Nesbit, Nesbit, Nesbit. I always hoped the dogs in that yellow pages ad would eat him.

  • June 9, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by mystic_dreamer

    This was the new series' equivalent of TNG's 'Best Of Both Worlds' moment, where its strengths came into fruition. Tennant was, as usual, amazing! I also would like to see a multi-Doctor episode with the mysterious Eighth Doctor featured heavily. There is a story to be had there. Also, please let the next regeneration be a little older... just for a change. Certainly, River hints that there will be a return to an older looking Doctor. My goodness, it is great to have the Doctor back over the past few years.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Ok I'll play

    by proper

    It's been a late night.J Nesbitt=Too dead hookers,bag of charley and news of the world for me,think of the children dammit :).Is Kris Marshall the man on the ad's who is the everyman dad who can work a computer?,lol,seriously pay DT Ronaldo money and do one Xmas ep a year to stay if thats the alternatives.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:16 a.m. CST

    2 parter

    by puddleduck

    I have re-watched that handcuff scene and I can see River Song's sonic screwdriver but nowhere do you see The Doctor's knocked away from him or taken from him since he last used it. Besides, if the Doctor knew how things were going to turn out & how to save her, wouldn't he have worked out things as well.... Love Moffat's storylines but he went for the dramatic scenes. Being overly critical yes but these anomalies jarred. I also watched the commentary but RTD is rarely critical about anything or admitting mistakes

  • June 9, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Loved it!

    by spud mcspud

    Great, great episode, opened out the Doctor's mythology more and River is fantastic - though I'd agree with those who say leave her alone (for now). We built up some lovely drama with her - whenever new Who goes back to the well (multiple Slitheen stories, the two Oods) the second story never goes as well as the first. Leave River out of Who for now.<P> And I second the Jarv: NO FUCKING NESBITT! He's a limited actor and reasonably charismatic - but utterly wrong for the Doctor. And for those wanting Bill Nighy - you're still thinking Old Who. This is New Who, built to pander to HEAT readers as much as Whovians - you're more likely to get Brian McFadden than Bill Nighy. *shudder*

  • June 9, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    I second the no nesbitt

    by board shitlez

    He'd be flicking through that sodding yellow pages all the time in the Tardis and going on about Man U. Like a tit. Shame Hugh Laurie is worth a billion quid. He'd rock.

  • June 9, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie

    by Lost Jarv

    best idea so far. Comfortably.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Could you imagine being hired to write an ep for Who.....

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    On the phone "Hi it's RTD here, would you like to write an episode of Dr. Who? Great! Snag is it's for the episode following a Moffat episode." (click, burrrrr) "Hello ....... hellloooo."

  • Seriously?, I just thought you had made a spelling error but if your saying you wrote a post calling yourself out over your own spelling errors then I will amend it to thinking your a liar as well. <P> BiggusDickus I never saw that spoiler about BSG until you typed it again, shame on you too. <P> Forest of the dead was an exciting episode that upon second viewing you realise is full of plot holes big enough to contain the Tardis interior.<P> Exciting episode but in no way the second coming its being stated as, comparing it to TNG's TBOBW is simply madness, it was an exciting tale but contained a lot of self plagiarism from the new hear writer himself, if it floats your boat them good on ya I guess, me I was wondering why the Doc was taking so long to figure out stuff I myself had realised would happen in the first part, don't that make me cleverer than the Doc?<P> I still loved this episode though in context is it winner, overall it was cooler than it sucked.

  • June 9, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Stephen Fry

    by board shitlez

    would have some extreeeeeme running down corridors issues. Not that I don't love the man, but physically? I would also expect him to counter a deadly threat from Davros by saying "Myeees, oh come now, tish and phipsy. Are you aware that in the Greek Davros translates literally as...etc etc".

  • June 9, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    This was lovely...

    by biddyhell

    As a new convert to Doctor Who this series, this was an absolute treat. I was gripped and heartily impressed..Brilliant...

  • June 9, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Arn't We Not Due for a Three Doctors Story?

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I am sorta hoping for one with Tennet, Ecclestone, and McGann...

  • June 9, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    David Tennant Petition

    by Who D Man

    I'm not sure we should be forcing Tennant out the door... he is the best man for the job. I strongly urge people to get onto the contact page and show just how popular Tennant is! Should a movie be in the pipeline this is the guy we need!!!

  • June 9, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by pastabake

    I wouldn't have thought it was a case of him thinking it was beneath him - he's been happy to appear since in other sci-fi stuff (Heroes). It was made clear from the begining that he didn't want to be type-cast, and I believe he stated that he would only do one series way before filming started. there was also all those rumours that him and billie piper despised each other.. but that's all rumour of course. I still think Ecclestone was brilliant. I prefer Tennant, but I prefer Tennant to most people!

  • June 9, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    David Tennant Petition

    by Who D Man

    Get onto the bbc!!!

  • June 9, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by slapshot

    ... so am I the only one that thought they were *giving* us a few spoilers, as well as teasing others? River Song made it pretty plain that she knew *this* Doctor, that she recognized his face, and that it was "still early days" for him, meaning that she doesn't meet him for some time yet... which would make for major problems if they're planning to regenerate anytime soon. I know when asked DT always does the "oh, they haven't asked me yet" thing, but I've always gotten the impression that the job is his until he doesn't want it anymore, the upcoming gap year showing that the BBC will do whatever they need to do to keep number 10 around. I don't think there's any petition needed, cause I just don't think he's got plans to leave, and they'd be absolutely insane to force him out.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Thank you one and all............

    by axcel1

    for the info on the last 3 Doctor Who episodes of season (series) 4. Some stuff I knew, some I didn't. Ok, now, anyone know anything about the 4 "Bank Holiday" Specials. Sorry about being a pain in the you-know-what.

  • June 9, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST


    by DECKERS it not more likely that 'her' doctor simply showed her the image of one of his past regenerations? From the story I gather River will not meet up with him for a very long time (poss centuries). How many regenerations does the doc have anyway? I thought he had only a couple left-you would think that this would have been addressed as his perceived 'immortality' was under threat, or will they do a reset storyline where gives him more regenerations? Anyways it is very unlikely Tennant is staying in the part for any more than 1 or 2 years at the most....

  • June 9, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I agree with slapshot (above)

    by football

    I too noted the "still early days" comment in recognition of his youthful face, which means DT is going to be doing it for many more seasons to come in order to fulfil the prophecy, unless they fast forward 10 Whovian Years of course and use make-up to age him. That would suck!

  • June 9, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    "Unlikey" says who, Deckers? Says YOU

    by Steve Rogers

    He's definitely in for one more year because he's in the specials, and speaking personally I'd be flabbergasted if he didn't do series 5. All you mugs trying to rush him out the door so James Fucking Nesbitt or some other idiot can ruin the show need to belt up.

  • June 9, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST


    by mr. flibble

    The Doc, like all timelords has twelve regenerations for 13 incarnations. They do have a 13th but its usually fatal. There are instances of TLs being given extra regens or stealing them/other bodies so theres a way around it if they get to 13 actors. As to Tennant, he's a fantastic actor and he'll want to push himself and avoid being typecast even if he loves the role dearly. I wouldn't be surprised if he did leave after the special, although i'd be overjoyed if he stayed on.

  • June 10, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST


    by RaveX

    what the fuck is wrong with you people? <p> I'll try talking slowly this time, and you try not to get too distracted by all the shiny and colorful objects around you, and we just might get trough this. here goes: <p> 1. I wrote "especially if it's written by moffat." 2. I clicked the "post talkback" button 3. page reloaded, and I saw the headline "Doctor Dan and Handsome 12th Go Nuts For New Showrunner Steven Moffatt’s DOCTOR WHO 30.9!!". thinking I've made a mistake, <p> 4. I immediately made another post, saying "erm, MOFFATT, not moffat". correcting myself. <p> and finally, <p> 5. IT WAS NOT A SPOILER! (well, at least I hope it wasn't. even if it turns out to be true, it was a guess based on 2 frames of youtube video)<p> if there's still something you don't quite understand, or if you still believe that I was making a "post call out" (whatever that may be) instead of correcting myself, please, by all means, feel free to kill yourself.

  • June 10, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Spoiler Photo

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    It is allegedly you know who from the finale: <P>

  • June 10, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Well at least we're not seeing Ben Kingsley rumours

    by V'Shael

    any more. That was mental. <p>

  • June 10, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Kill myself?, thank god you did not hysterically overreact.

    by Smashing

    Nice karma you have brewing there Rave twat, xx

  • June 10, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Re: Colin Salmon

    by chris888

    Colin Salmon is the voice of Avon in the new Blakes 7 audio adventures.

  • June 10, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Excellent, completely loaded with 'hints'...

    by Ray Gamma

    This episode was excellent. For me, it totally makes the whole Dr Who re-boot worthwhile, to have someone like Moffat come along and REALLY use the material to its fullest. And by that, I mean he simply loaded this episode up with clever cross-references and tantalising hints of things to come in the near and distant future(s) for the Doctor and co. My favourite episode of the entire re-boot so far, easily, (notwithstanding the rubber skull masks.)

  • June 11, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    That first review was perfect.

    by AnnoyYou

    These last two episodes were fantastic, and really make me want Moffat to start helming the show NOW (no offense, RTD). Although Doctor Who fandom is quickly becoming as crazy as the Harry Potter fandom (the 'shippers were having conniption fits over River Song's debut), Mr. Moffat should ignore their insane keening and keep writing more involving, inventive, emotionally engaging episodes. Really, Tennant, Tate and Kingston were absolutely wonderful here - and this episode definitively established Donna as a true friend and helpmate to the Doctor rather than a love interest. I hope next week's episode doesn't pale in comparison, also because it is the stopgap before the return of Rose Tyler! AIIIIEEEE.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    James Nesbitt would be a HIDEOUS Doctor.

    by AnnoyYou

    And after Tennant, a ridiculous let-down. He's ugly and a mediocre actor - I don't care if he is Moffat's best bud. Ugh. Even David Morrissey would be better (and I don't like him much either -- too plain, too beefy). I hope to God they replace Tennant with someone good (Carlyle, Kevin McKidd, even Richard E. Grant at this juncture).

  • June 11, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by pastabake

    to paraphrase Michael Winner, "Calm down dear, it's just a talkback". As for recent Scottish new doctor suggestions (carlyle and McKidd) - I like the idea - perhaps letting them keep their accents! As a proud Scot I was slightly pissed off when Tennant came on the scene and started talking in an English accent! (although I've come to love the cheeky voice now!) But, Eccleston was allowed a northern English regional accent! why not a Scottish one? Is the UK not ready for a time-traveler north of the border!?! If Nesbitt gets the job soon and has an Irish accent that'll just be taking the piss! Sorry. Angry Scottish rant over!

  • June 11, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Noel Fielding

    by chris888

    I think Noel Fielding from The Mighty Boosh would be great as the next Dr Who! (Sorry, I guess you won't have heard of him unless you're in the UK)

  • June 11, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    You may as well go the whole hog and suggest Russel Brand. That kind of contrived eccentricity wears thin after a little while.

  • June 11, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    What about Rhys Ifans? He was bandied about

    by James_O'Nasty

    for a bit, around the time Lily Allen was "confirmed" to be a new companion. <p> Or, does Torchwood provide enough Welsh influence for everyone?

  • June 11, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    None of you have noticed?

    by Ray Gamma

    I'm amazed that none of you have noticed what the name "River Song" is an anagram of...

  • June 11, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    pastabake, I have wondered that myself

    by axcel1

    As an american, I wondered why Tennant has a two different accents, one on Who and one on Who Confidential. If Tennant has a Scottish accent, why the change?

  • June 11, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by axcel1

    Could we stop bandying about names to replace David Tennant? every week he puts his heart and soul in the role. Does anyone think he's not? What I wonder about is, where is the RTD lynch mob? you know, torchs, pitchforks, storming his castle. Now that he has stepped down as show runner, the time is NOW!!!! (As I said in an earlier post, I can't be part of the mob for 2 reasons, (1) I live in the USA, air fare too high and, more importantly, (2) I think RTD has done a bang up job. But, don't let me stop you all from storming his castle, enjoy.

  • June 11, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Ok, Ray Gamma, I give up..........

    by axcel1

    What is "River Song" an anagram of?

  • June 11, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    What is the anagram?

    by INWOsuxRED

    Rose and a bunch of extra letters? "Servo Ring"? <br><br>"Rev. Groin" the touchy feely priest?

  • June 11, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    The Doctor's nick-name in the Academy was:

    by Amy Chasing

    Theta Sigma according to a timelord that Tom Baker's Doctor met back in the Key To Time season (I think). Otherwise according to the "Unfinished Business" series of online Doctor #9 fiction is Chrístõdavõreendiamondhærtmallõupdracœfiredelúnmiancuimhne de Lœngbærrow - Chrístõ to his friends. But he also has many other names.

  • June 12, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Virgin Rose

    by Lost Jarv

    But with Virgin spelt wrong. <P>Haven't a fucking clue.

  • June 12, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST


    by pastabake

    There's always the chance that a creative choice was made because the production team thought the English accent suited Tennant's doctor (It's much the same accent as he used in RTD's BRILLIANT Casanova), but I choose to take the more cynical view! I think they felt that UK audiences would be put off, or wouldn't accept a Scottish Doctor! Which I believe is ridiculous. A few things were said about Eccleston's accent at first, and he was quoted as saying "I'm different from the other Doctors in that I'm northern. All the others spoke with this RP accent [received pronunciation] - maybe it was that that put me off. I think that it's good that we teach kids that people who speak like that can be heroic.". Everyone accepted Eccleston pretty quickly, and the accent wasn't a problem at all! (there was even that rather funny throwaway line in "Rose" - "lot's of planets have a north!") I think people would accept any accent from the UK. If there was ever an American Doctor though the BBC would get record levels of hate mail!

  • June 12, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Scottish accent

    by Steve Rogers

    RTD has said in the past he asked Tennant to speak in the same accent as he did in Casanova because he didn't, following on from Ecclestone's very Northern Doctor, want the show to seem like it was "touring the regions".

  • June 12, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Rhys Ifans is a total wanker.

    by Smashing

    I worked as a studio runner on chat show for a seasonon and asides from being boozed to the eyeballs all day he was a self important arse hole who yelled at me over him being papped by the press, like it was my fault, the horses arse, I hope he never works again never mind becomes The Doc, he is a twatbag.

  • June 12, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    If not a masterpiece, it was close!

    by tylermo

    Moffat delivers the goods once again. *sarcasm* Can you believe that a writer can do Doctor Who properly? Still including some humor, with only a mere few pop culture references, no overly-excessive societal rants, and make it feel like it could have held a spot in the Liz Sladen/Tom Baker/Ian Marter glory days? This two parter is definately right up there with Human Nature and Family of Blood, the Mysterious Planet, the Satan Pit, The Doctor Dances, and a handful of the other "top-notch" ep's. I realize every episode won't be of this caliber, but with Moffat at the helm, the show may be the bridge between the best of the old program and the new one that I've been looking for. For a two-parter, this one felt like it could have been a fleshed out 4-parter from back in the day. Shame that Russell could either blow the two-part finale with a good first ep, and a crappy last ep(like last season). Or maybe, he'll knock it out of the park like the Eccleston finale with the Daleks. Either way, Moffat's two-parter still delivered some humor, some tense moments, and a seriousness that has been largely absent. I look forward to season 5! Way to go Moff!

  • June 13, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Rhys Ifans?!?!?!?

    by spud mcspud

    A fucking rich Welsh tramp as Doctor Who?<P> Seriously, what are some of you guys on? And we should be casting Who on TALENT, not on looks. And also bear in mind, shabby eccentrics are no longer de riguer in new Who. That shit got old when McCoy turned into McGann and Neil Gaiman got all mosit at the prospect of a gothic Shakespeare-loving Doctor who knows the world of faerie. Emo! EMO!

  • June 13, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    MOIST. I meant moist. Obviously.

  • June 13, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    FHM+Maxim+GQ = Mod Who!

    by spud mcspud

    On the basis of how the Doctor looks, for the past three seasons he's been a bit of a snappy dresser - Jarvis Cocker with a decent makeover. So if we're ignoring talent but going for "think's he's a stylish mod type" for new Who? NICK MORAN.<P> He'd be shit, but he'd look goosd in a suit ;p

  • June 13, 2008, 5 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    PLEASE don't make Nick Moran the new Doctor. I'd rather see Jason Statham do it. "Do I have 'cunt' written on my forehead? No? So fack off, Stavros, or whatever your fackin' name is. Oh, and my real name? The one River knew? Chev fackin Chelios. So fack off."<P> Actually, of all the Guy Ritchie crew, the new Doctor should be...<P> *drum roll please*<P> JASON FLEMYNG. Flame on!

  • June 13, 2008, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Please don't mention Guy Ritchie and Doctor Who

    by Steve Rogers

    EVER again. Thanks. Keep that fucking nobhead and anything to do with him away. Ta.

  • June 13, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Steve Rogers

    by spud mcspud

    Message received and understood. Before 'ze Germans' get there. Cheers ;D

  • June 13, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    *slight spoilers*

    by pastabake

    .. from the BBC website. Episode 12 will be called "the Stolen earth", and the Shadow proclamation will appear! link here: