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Has Peter Berg's DUNE Found A Writer??

Merrick here...
Looks like Josh Zetumer may be mounting the worm (wow, that sounds wrong); he seems to be headed towards scripting Peter Berg's DUNE adaptation for Paramount. Josh recently set up VILLAIN at 2929, which THE PRODUCTION COMPANY'S WEBSITE describes as being about...
a forest-fire spotter with a dark secret gets an unwelcome visit from his deranged brother in the remote, freezing wilderness of the U.S. Northwest.
Zetumer apparently tweaked the QUANTUM OF SOLACE screenplay as well; too bad he couldn't tweak the title.
No one involved would comment on Zetumer's take on the "Dune" saga.
...says THIS ARTICLE in the Hollywood Reporter. I say it should be a "reinvention" that casts Jack Black as an embittered, obtuse, overbearing Paul Atreides - whose irresistibly boyish edge restores harmony to a universe in conflict.

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  • June 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Good Christ

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Lots of news today!

  • June 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    First

    by Nico Toscani

    Boo-Yah!

  • June 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Internet Thug

    How uninteresting.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Lots of news on AICN today

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    Gonna make this day fly by

  • June 6, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    No need for another Dune!

    by Nico Toscani

    No one will ever be able to touch Lynch so just give it up! That made-for-TV movie was a piece of shit.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    "Forest Fire Spotter"

    by Internet Thug

    Look there's a fire. That's a job I could get behind.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    eh?

    by Cleave

    I know most people don't like Dune, but aside from being a bit of a mess structurally, it fucking nails the visuals and tone. And noone will make a better Mau'dib than Kyle McLachlan

  • June 6, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Merrick,

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    if jack Black gets cast as Paul i will kick you in the balls.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Jake Gyllenhall for Paul Mua'dib

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    The boy may as well get a roll started.....

  • June 6, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    and does anyone know

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    if Berg is a superfan of Dune?<p>i have this (unfounded) optimistic idea that he will pull a Pete Jackson out of his ass and do this story justice, finally.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    by Merrick

    If Jack Black gets cast as Paul I will deserve it.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    yes. yes you will.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    but i can't really think of who i'd like to see in the roll.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    role.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    whatever.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Jack Black....

    by Clumzor

    as Baron Harkonen and Ben Stiller as Paul Atreides.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    story startes with a 15 year old...

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    ages what, 5 or 6 years during the book? obviously they will cast older than that. i would love to see an unknown for Paul, and have the supporting cast be the big names.<p>i have put way too much thought into this already.<p>i'm desperately trying to not get my hopes up.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Dune is my Bible, though.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    my textbook for life.<p>"fear is the mind-killer" and "thou shall not disfigure the soul" and all that.<p>i hope Berg knows what he's getting into here. this is a story as big as Lord of the Rings with just as devoted a fan base.<p>seriously, dude, you had best do this justice.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    ps:

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i'm a huge nerd. no one needs to point this out.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    What a mess

    by Abominable Snowcone

    Josh Zetemur's adaptation of a Peter Berg script of a Frank Herbert novel? That's frickin' convoluted. I mean, I know that kinda stuff happens all the time, but let's just call it "Josh Zetumer is rewriting the script based on the novel" or something

  • June 6, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    The Lynch version was full of problems, but....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I thought they nailed the mood and tone of the book 100%...and those cubist shields still look cool. I really need to re read the book again. I badly wanted to love the rest of the Dune books and I manfully pushed through at the age of 14 or so, but it was tough going...and I was a big reader.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    What's wrong with the title, Merrick?

    by Elemeno Pee

    At least it sounds different. I'm so glad it wasn't a cliche Bond title.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    they get progressively harder to read, due to content as much as writing style.<p>power breeds power, power corrupts, thousands of years later, power = bad, so on and so on.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Pondscum

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    the blown out, super contrasty look of Pitch Black would do for the desert scenes in Dune, i agree. and all the robes and capes kind of work too.<p>and did folks not like 30 Days of Night? i didn't see it, but it looked pretty faithful to the book.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    A two-hour movie can't do it justice

    by Sithdan

    That was one of the flaws of Lynch's 1984 Dune. You can't cram Herbert's complex novel into a two-hour movie. It needs to be at least the length of a television miniseries. I just don't see this translating well to the big screen. The Sci-Fi Channel did it best.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Gatsbys West Egg Omlet...one of the books....

    by FlickaPoo

    ....started with a string of specially trained runners throwing an object they had just stolen to the next runner in line just before a genetically altered guard wolf gobbled them up...or did I dream it? I struggled with the sequels as a kid, but that scene made my short hairs stand up...

  • June 6, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Sithdan

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    true: can't be made in one movie.<p>true: SciFi did it best, so far.<p>it could, and probably should, be made into three films. maybe even recast Paul for the later events. or just have everyone agree to make them 5 or 6 years later.<p>as if anyone has that kind of forethought.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I'm gonna get flack for this, but...

    by Fawst

    The novel isn't all that. Seriously. It's kind of like pretty good sex where you get her off, but you just can't finish. Good things are happening, you're just not experiencing them. Case in point: the introduction to the worms was pretty fuckin stale. Later, Paul and Jessica are crossing the desert and a worm is MENTIONED as being super fucking huge, and "oh my god, it's the size of a heighliner" or whatever, and ... that's it. No description, just "one moment, the 'thopter was there. The next, we won't discuss that. The moment after THAT, the giant worm, which won't be described here, has already passed by and destroyed said 'thopter." Gatsby said it best: this is like LOTR. And not in a good way, but in the "these are very interesting, but terribly boring reads." I'm about 50 pages from the end of the novel, and while I certainly enjoy it... it's just kinda "there." That all being said, this film could fucking rule. I remember reading previously that Berg is all about doing this one "right." I guess that means we're going to have MANY pissed-off Republicans when this is released, considering the Fremen are analogous to the Ay-rabs. And they're the heroes! Ooooooooooh, badness abounds!

  • June 6, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    FlickaPoo, like you

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i haven't read any of the follow ups since childhood, but that scene does stick out in my head.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Arthur C Clarke described Dune..

    by Gabba-UK

    as the sci-fi equivalent of Lord Of The Rings. It should get an lotr equivalent film trilogy. The book is after all devided into 3 sections. All the background stuff in the later novels and easily be used to add texture. It might not need a full 9 hours of film time like lotr did but it certainly can't be done in one 2/3 hour movie and do it justice. It just can't.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    DUNE DOES NOT REQUIRE A WRITER !

    by TheCap

    Transcribe the book's dialog directly to a script. Film each and every scene in each and every chapter, exactly and precisely as described by Frank Herbert. Do not edit, do not censor, do not abridge. This is the ONLY DUNE that anyone remotely interested in the original novel DUNE will accept. This is a fact, hard-proven by the Lnych and SciFi channel adaptations. THAT IS REALLY ALL.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Fawst, i agree and disagree.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    the action or scenery or drama doesn't get by me. maybe its because i've had this story running in my head since childhood, but i can see everything as it happens, every time i read it (once every 2 or so years). and a lot of times he is describing what his characters are perceiving, not whats actually going on. i like that about his style.<p>i absolutely agree with your "pissed off republicans" remark. this thing is about fucking Iraq/Saudi/the Mid East. spice = oil. "he who can destroy a thing, controls it," that shit is fucking dead on.<p>and its about a bunch of natives, in little groups, forming an army (of, lets just out and say it, Terrorists) and revolting against a foreign power thats come in to exploit them. that, too, is dead on.<p>its a ballsy move, to make this now. and if he does indeed do it "right," its gonna take even bigger balls.<p>fingers crossed.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    TheCap

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    word.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    IMHO the first Dune book was the only good one

    by photoboy

    I would suggest splitting Dune into a trilogy, with part one ending around the time the Harkonnen attack the Atreides, part 2 goes up to taking Arrakis back from the Harkonnen, then part 3 cheats a bit and follows the path of the jihad as they work towards taking over Giedi Prime and installing Paul as the new emperor.<br><br> Splitting it like that should allow for various crowd pleasing CGI war scenes at the climax of each film, gives enough time to tell the full story and avoids the need to use any of the subsequent books.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Brian Cox in a fatsuit for the Baron...

    by Gabba-UK

    you know I'm right....

  • June 6, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Ooops

    by photoboy

    It's been a while since I read Dune, I think Giedi Prime is the Harkonnen homeworld, while Kaitain{sp?) is where the Emperor sits.<br><br> Since it's Peter Berg, maybe we'll get Minka Kelly for Chani...

  • June 6, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    photoboy

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i don't know that we need to follow the jihad, but i like the idea of ending the first movie with the death of the Duke and Paul and Jessica in the desert.<p>that would be bad ass.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    the jihad and all that follows

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    is too much about Herbert's power issues. i agree that the story gets worse from there.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Dune isn't very multiplex-friendly

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I can only see a dumbed down version being filmed. Totally agree with the poster above that said Lynch nailed the mood and tone of the book. I can't see Peter Berg doing a more impressive job than Lynch. Oh, and the Sci-Fi TV version was appalling, with some of the worst acting i've ever seen in my life, and a comatose William Hurt.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    How many times

    by SKULL1138

    will they re do dune in a new way, and never quite get the same as the book, before they realise that the masses dont care about it or find it very interesting, your average joe has never heard of Dune. <P> Best to leave it as it is I reckon

  • June 6, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Lynch = good design, silly story.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    SciFi = faithful story, bad design/acting.<p>no argument about that.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    @ Gatsby

    by Fawst

    Good point about the descriptions being from the perspective of the characters, but that still supports my complaint: Paul and Jessica saw a god-like worm, and were amazed by it, but we STILL didn't get the description!<br><br>Yah, spice DEFINITELY = oil. It's a surprisingly timely story, which makes sense that it's being created today. And yes, the Fremen are absolutely "terrorists." Shit, Paul's first command prior to the major conflict is "sabotage that shit, if they fuck with us, we BURY them all!" I dug that quite a bit.<br><br>I think the one problem with splitting this story into three films is that if you do it based on the "books" of the novel, you're gonna have a very boring opening. Not much happens. It's all political intrigue. We'd have one worm sequence, and a decidedly one-sided battle, and... that's about it. See, before I had read the book, I always thought that the label it received of "unfilmable" applied because it was TOO good, with TOO MUCH going on and TOO MANY effects scenarios. Now I know it's because everything is just kinda "there." Don't get me wrong, I am giddy for this new version like nobody's business. I just can't believe I live in a world where Wheel of Time hasn't been adapted yet, and this has now had three shots.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Anyone ever play the DUNE board game as a kid?....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I remembered it just now....you earned spice chips and could earn 'guile' points and stuff. The rules were pretty obtuse as I recall but we spent a long hot summer banging away at it...

  • June 6, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    You are kidding.

    by Scytherius

  • June 6, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Fawst

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    there is sooooo much introspection, so much going on inside people's minds. i think thats where most of the "unfilmable" stuff comes from. and i kind of agree. it will be hard as hell to film the concept of an unborn child not only becoming fully aware, but also receiving thousands of years of memories and experiences, in utero. thats some abstract shit.<p>as well as the mind altering qualities of the spice, which leads into another reason this isn't exactly meant for the masses: rampant drug use = heightened awareness.<p>that should go over really well.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    also Fawst

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i am waiting G R R Martin's works to be put on film. HBO has been talking about it for years now.<p>if your Wheel of Time shit makes it before my Song of Ice and Fire does, i'll be pissed.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune is probably as good as it's ever going to get.

    by thedarklinglord

    Unfortunately, Lynch either lacked the vision or the studio lacked the faith in the project to make the original Dune the epic masterpiece it deserved to be. And while a lot of Lynch's alterations were just idiotic, bizarre additions seemingly added purely for the sake of oddity and key story elements completely cut, it nevertheless had a lot going for it, particularly some of the casting. Really, could there ever be anyone as perfect for the role of Feyd as Sting? And even though he wasn't a stocky, lumpy man, Patrick Stewart was fucking brilliant and Gurney. A bit old for the role, Kyle MacLachlan gave a great performance as Paul. Jürgen Prochnow was a criminally underused Duke Leto. And Max von Sydow and José Ferrer were also wonderful choices. Quite frankly, I just can't imagine them ever pulling together that quality cast, even if they DO manage to get the script right.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    How odd

    by Goody2shoes

    I just named my new kittens Leto and Alia.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    thedarklinglord

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    Lynch is best at small, odd projects. he gets lost in the tons of money and expectations the studios throw at him. i think Dune was just too big for him, in a few ways.<p>but yeah, the cast was pretty damn good. Feyd was a wasted character, due to his utter lack of build up/ introduction, but Sting was good in the role.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Another Dune????

    by Jabroni

    YYAAAAWWWWWNNNNN! I couldn't care less, never saw any version of this, never well

  • June 6, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    octagonproplex

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    oh, yeah! i remember that lesson now. it was right after we read James and the Giant Peach for 30 minutes.<p>no, wait, thats not true. i think you just have an overinflated idea of yourself and like boosting your ego online.<p>did you come up with the title or something?

  • June 6, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    what seems odd to me...

    by Gabba-UK

    that Ridley Scott had started pre-production on a version of Dune with Giger doing the set design which fell through and he went on to do Blade Runner instead. This would be cool news indeed if it was him rather than Berg doing it. But what is odd is that Ridley is now being widley reported on every other site as doing Huxley's 'Brave New World' another classic sci-fi, and AICN hasn't covered it yet?? Odd.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:12 a.m. CST

    So fine...I'll play the Dune board game myself....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...then. I KNEW my parents bought it for 1.50$ in the 90% off bin reserved for misguided merchandising tie-ins to financially catastrophic movies. Damn. I'll give it back to them in a couple of years to pass the time at the nursing home...that'l teach them....

  • June 6, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    no offense taken, Octagon.

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    sure, quantum of solace = time of sadness. easy enough to figure out. but it doesn't mean its a great title for a movie. maybe it works for the new direction the Bond stuff seems to be going.<p>whatever.<p>no beef needed.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:40 a.m. CST

    First: Jack Black Fucking Sucks

    by picardsucks

    Second: I think Peter Berg is a very compitant filmaker. Seems like he's trying to emulate Ridley Scott which is a good thing. If you saw the very good Kingdom much of it appeared to be a Ridley Scott film (Again a good thing) Now is he right for Dune??? I don't know, certainly he shoots a very Ridley Scott linke film but is Ridley Scott right for Dune?? Personally if another remake is being shoved down our throats I would think a director with perhaps a more twisted vision might be more approriate. How bout Zach Snyder and a 300esque Dune or I don't know - David Lynch??? I am sure Peter Berg will be great and give us a very Ridley Scott-ish film. What will make or break this is the cast and the screenplay.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    DGDB

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    he does have one crooked ass jaw.<p>maybe he got shot n da face, like my boy Fiddy.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    If you havent read Dune...

    by j_ky2002

    Then you should read the Herbert glossary, and "The Dune Enclyclopedia" both completely before reading the book. Also, keep them next to you to cross-reference shit you forget about. Yeah, the books are good, but so damned dense they get hard to follow.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Jodorowsky & Foss

    by Philo

    take a look at this link and try to tell me that's not the way they should have gone. http://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/foss.asp Way back in the late 70's these guys were working on adapting Dune but the money fellthrough and it never happened. Man, I love the look that Foss created for this and it always makes me sad to think of the missed opportunity.

  • June 6, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    This has been remade more times than Treasure Island

    by JackRabbitSlim

    A few more times and it'll be up there with Tale of Two Cities and that damn Dane Hamlet.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    That Villain synopsis reeks of Howie Long's "Firestorm"

    by JackRabbitSlim

    I'm still convinced "Firestorm" putresence would have inflicted permanent damage to my corneas had it not been for the trusty contacts. Howie Long getting billing over Scott Glenn - the mind rebels.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Reading Dune....

    by Darth Macchio

    I too have gone past the first book in the series and believe it or not...it gets a LOT better before it get's worse (well, "lesser" anyway...'worse' is far too strong a word). Seriously, read enough to get to "God Emperor of Dune". That's the best book of the original series that I've read (started 'Heretics' but never finished it...Poor Duncan!! and thus also haven't read Chapterhouse yet). But those first few books are nothing less than wonderful. And God Emperor is one of the best sci-fi books I've ever read.<p>The mini-series was ok and Lynch's work has a warm spot in my heart regardless of some of weaker spots.<p>My question is this: we will ever get the full version of Lynch's work? They showed an 'extended cut' featuring a scene harvesting "The Water of Life" but no more. Lynch's version was supposedly around 4 hours long, if not longer, and very likely filled in some of the dryer spots of the original film. I've heard different reasons over the years: rights, disowning creators, etc, but the geek in me still wants my fully realized Lynch 4 hour version. And yes, Lynch PERECTLY nailed the tone and atmosphere of the books.<p>To me, the failings of the movie Dune are likely more related to the actual process of translating the story to screen. How can you portray a little girl with the life-memories of generations of Bene-Geserit witches making her not just 'adult in a child's body' but making her almost a demi-god in terms of power and knowledge...again all in the body of a 7 year old girl. Doing that on film without it becoming silly is a herculean task. I believe Lynch is capable even if not entirely successful but maybe that extra footage would further his translation.<p>With that idea in mind, and if it's true, then Lynch must do Ender's Game.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Fawst

    by MetalMickey

    You're right about the book, I've revisited it & the movie many times over the last 20 years, & the book simply doesn't measure up. Lynch's version is about as good a translation as there will ever be. Let's remember that DUNE was released as the next ROTJ summer tentpole (there were WORM coloring books, fer chrissakes) & NOBODY understood the fucking thing despite being ridiculously faithful to the text (Snyder's WATCHMEN is in the same prickly situation). Lynch's DUNE is in desperate need of a BLADE RUNNER-like overhaul: upgrade the lousy FX shots, re-edit for better coherency, etc. Berg should re-hire Kyle MacLachlan, preserve the original's excellent design & make COD.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Will Sting be in it?

    by Abominable Snowcone

    How about Sting Jr?

  • June 6, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who likes "Quantum Of Solace"?

    by DarthCorleone

  • June 6, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Wheel Of Time?!?!?

    by DarthCorleone

    Hell no. What a travesty.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I can just hear Judi Dench & Daniel Craig...

    by DarthCorleone

    "If it's any solace, 007..." <br><br> [interrupting]<br> "Damn it, M, it's no solace! Not a quantum of it!"

  • June 6, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    New Dune

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Echoing that they will never get a cast like in Lynch's Dune, and no new Dune will rival Lynch's for costume and production design. It's amazing that someone has convinced a studio that another DUNE is viable. It will take balls as massive as a sandworm to transcribe the book into a proper script (probably a 4 hr running time). More balls than DeLaurentiis had in '84, more balls than I think anyone has now.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Lynch

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Had Frank Herbert's full support during production, and interviews were given in the '80s stating Lynch had plans for at least one sequel if not a series. Subsequently became so disappointed with how the film came out, he's practically disowned Dune. Had to do with front office disputes/producer bullshit as usual. Shame.

  • June 6, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I too like Quantum of Solace

    by Darth Macchio

    I mean Jesus Christ.....we've got a bond movie called OCTOPUSSY. Yes. That's not a misprint or spelling error. There's a James Bond movie called OCTOPUSSY. Shit...just the fact that there even IS a movie called OCTOPUSSY should have made our collective heads explode once if not twice but now everybody's flippin out over Quantum of Solace? You do realize that 'quantum' is a unit of measurement correct? And I know you know what solace means and the use of those words implies a reach semantically meaning, I would think, the "Quantum of Solace" should be very interesting.<p>But, regardless, if you truly have a problem with Quantum of Solace as a title then I've got one word for you: OCTOPUSSY!!!!!!!!!

  • June 6, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Bring back Jodorowsky to direct!

    by Sith Witch

    Why not have a surreal take on the representation of another world?

  • June 6, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    What is wrong with Octopussy?

    by toadkillerdog

    You have some predjudice against cephalopods, or you just don't like pussy?

  • June 6, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    "too bad he couldn't tweak the title."

    by frankenfickle

    shut up, stupid.

  • June 6, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    did you know that an octopuss...

    by Gabba-UK

    can be trained very quickly to open the tops on glass jars? Therefore taking away from us men the one real advantage we have over women!!! Bummer.

  • June 6, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    So much encouragement

    by Larry Sellers

    for a THIRD adaptation of Dune, yet any other adaptation/remake talkback will be filled to the brim with bitching about how Hollywood's been drained of creativity. Hypocritical geeks.

  • June 6, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    One of the things I like

    by kwisatzhaderach

    about Lynch's Dune is that it takes its time, there are a lot of slow passages that really help the mood and world-building. There's no way Berg's version will get away with this. The only way Dune can be a box office hit is to gut the book and make it audience-friendly, thereby pissing off the fans. Dune is not Lord of the Rings. Rings was infantilised for the screen but has a more recognisable quest plot that audiences could hook into. There's no such plot through-line in Dune. I'd love to see a faithful 4 hour Dune movie but a project like that just isn't going to be made in the commercial cesspit that is Hollywood today. The thinking behind this new Dune is to create another crapola summer tentpole - and I fear the result will be something along the lines of a sci-fi Pirates of the Carribean, unremitting crap. Lynch's version will never, and can never, be topped.

  • June 6, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by MetalMickey

    You've nailed it.

  • June 6, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with Octopussy? I'll tell you...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...not a damn thing that's what! Anytime a title brings up images of pussy and there being 8 of them is never fucking ever a bad thing (i never thought of it in terms of octopus originally anyway). Sure the movie sucked except for the mini-jet flying around shit in the beginning and the acrobat hotties jumpin around but the name rocks. It may be one of the greatest titles ever but that doesn't stop it from being odd at best to silly at worst (that sentence is actually supposed to be serious)<p>I was pointing out how people are clipping on 'Quantum of Solace' when this franchise has had some whopper titles in the past. I mean how is "Golden Gun" not a giant golden COCK reference? And who the fuck uses "Her Majesty's Secret Service" as a title besides madmen?<p>And while I'm at it...let's talk about QoS...do YOU have a problem with solace? How about quanta? Or even a single quantum? Sure it's egghead speak but I like the title for some reason.<p>And Octopi (octopusses?) are one of the most amazing creatures on the Earth...very smart and just their camouflaging abilities alone are breath taking. There's footage out there now that looks fake it is so amazing (youtube it if you're curious). And cephalopods very likely one of the smartest animals on the planet (amazing problem solvers like opening jars...I've seen that footage and it's amazing).

  • June 6, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Dune is the perfect story.......

    by BendersShinyAss

    .... for adapting to film. but if they follow the novel like it's some sort of script then it will be fucking boring. Dune needs flare, and it'll take a genius writer to assemple a plot around the event so of the story. it can be done! but it must be creatively done.

  • June 6, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I'd give a shit

    by Tony Is A Little Boy

    if Ridley Scott were directing. Put Jack Black in it and I'll totally boycott it. Jack Black=Nails on Chalkboard.

  • June 6, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    OCTOPUSSY sounds better than CUTTLEFISHY

    by bobjustbob

    Why did I read NUDE instead of DUNE when I first saw this?

  • June 6, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Y'know what?

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Why even try to make a film from the novel? Yes, I know it's been done before and look how they turned out! Some novels really are unfilmable. I admire the Lynch version because of the voiceovers (I understand those who are annoyed by the voiceovers, but how else are you going to do it?) but it was flawed in a lot of ways - notably, making Paul a 30 year old, which totally disrupts the point of the character. That aside, Dune is perfect as is. No reason to make a film of it. You know what's the best way to adapt Dune? Read it. The film that unspools in your head as you read that novel is better than anything that could possibly come out of Hollywood. That said, I've always been curious to see what Jodorowsky would have done with it. He may have proved me wrong...

  • June 6, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    What the fuck is with that Tom Cruise 25 years ad

    by L. Ron Bumquist

    on this page? I daren't click on it. The mind boggles but I know it's gotta be bad.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I see an ad for OCTOBONG

    by bobjustbob

    Now THATS funny.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    L. Ron Bumquist

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    i admire your use of contractions.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    The Problem With Dune--The Scripted Flaws Of Past Productions!!!

    by Media Messiah

    Dune needs to be faster paced. The producers and director need to be more economical with the pacing and despense story details as the characters are on the run and or on the chase. The problem with Dune's past productions is that they have all been too static, and failed to move fast enough. I say, show us the fall of the House Atreides in the first 15 minutes, the rest we can see in flash back, like some of Paul's training and certain betrayals. Just about the only thing that the new Master's of The Universe script got right is that they knocked-out the hero's kingdom hard and fast...so they could get on to telling the real story...everything that comes after the fall, not necessarily what came before it, although the writer of Master's of The Universe is guilty of that also--but back to Dune.<BR><BR>Another flaw has been the slow evolution of story details and lack of clarity therein. Note to Producers: simply things!!! Next, I would say there has been a lack of fun, a lack of humor, action and adventure in the Dune movie as well as the Mini series. Everything has been taken so seriously, that we, the audience, are never given a chance to laugh with the characters...which helps one to better relate to a character or characters...as it is a entry point for audiences to bond with them emotionally, like an old friend. According to movie execs, distributors and industry observers, humor and action are the two number one exportable, importable selling points of movies on the national and international market in terms of attracting sells and box office, something to remember!!!<BR><BR>And finaly, there has been a lack of romance in these Dune productions, romance like that which is seen in the movies The Note Book, Dance With Wolves, or The Original Superman, Raiders oof The Lost Ark, or The Empire Strikes Back. Sure we have seen romantic relationships in the various film and tv incarnations of Dune...but they were just glossed over story points, but we really never got inside the romance and felt them vicariously, you never once cheered for Paul to fall in love and or hold that love, fight for it even, against all odds...which means, for this production to work, we have to see Paul not only find love, but we have to see how much it means to him, and to the woman in his life...how they, interact. We also have to see her placed in jeopardy, and Paul, having to react emotionally, and do what he must to save her. If you want the female audience who showed-up for Titanic or Sex In The City, this is how you will get them...as the guys will come for the action, the plot setting, gadgets/gizmos and action. You should also learn from the first two original Star Wars films, a pair the characters down as there have just been too many characters in Dune. Star Wars and Empire, although having many characters to draw from, always kept a focus on a small few...everyone else, the other characters, were used for background, or one line here or there. However in the Dune productions, everyone is talking and has a point of view--a mistake as that adds to the running time, is confusing, and slows the action!! But I digress, back to my main point.<BR><BR>The before mentioned missing ingredients, if you will, those being the emotional beats, humor, and action points, that I forwarded, are essential for this movie to play right. In the past, Dune has been too emotionally sterile and it has hurt every past production of this epic tale. Now you have a chance to correct those flaws if you are brave enough to listen and see the merits in my arguments!!!

  • June 6, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah..

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I assume you're fucking with us, right?

  • June 6, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Klytus_I.m_Bored

    by toadkillerdog

    Bring me the Bore worms!

  • June 6, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by bobjustbob

    You forgot to mention monkeys, gophers, 3 drops or atomic kitchen appliances.<p><p>Otherwise that was pretty funny.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Reptile rescue devices

    by bobjustbob

    You need to add that too.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    No...I'm Not Fucking With You...My Analysis Is Correct!!!

    by Media Messiah

    You have to drop the pseudo intellectual garbage and realize that an audience wants to hoot and holler. The key to any real box office success is to create a climate of audience interaction. When you create moments when they are cheering, laughing, screaming, laughing and jumping-up in their chairs...you have got them...and you have got a hit on your hands!!!If you create moments in a film to facilitate such emotional reactions, again, you've got yourself a success in the making.<BR><BR>They, the audience, want to feel like they are on a roller coaster ride!!! Steven Spielberg used to call it, "The Wow Factor!!!". Well, every last production of Dune has been overlong, and missing the Wow Factor--that since that you are on a amusement park ride and being thrilled, pushed to laughter, fear and joy. A film has to move your passions. Look at every great film ever made...and they at least have several of the elements that I mentioned in the above text that I wrote...if not all of them.

  • June 6, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Amended: No...I'm Not Fucking With You...My Analysis Is Correct!

    by Media Messiah

    You have to drop the pseudo intellectual garbage and realize that an audience wants to hoot and holler. The key to any real box office success is to create a climate of audience interaction. When you create moments when they are cheering, laughing, screaming, crying and jumping-up in their chairs...you have got them...and you have got a hit on your hands!!!If you create moments in a film to facilitate such emotional reactions, again, you've got yourself a success in the making. <BR><BR>They, the audience, want to feel like they are on a roller coaster ride!!! Steven Spielberg used to call it, "The Wow Factor!!!". Well, every last production of Dune has been overlong, and missing the Wow Factor--that since that you are on a amusement park ride and being thrilled, pushed to laughter, fear and joy. A film has to move your passions. Look at every great film ever made...and they at least have several of the elements that I mentioned in the above text that I wrote...if not all of them.

  • June 6, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Well, if what the audience wants is less of the "pseudo-intellectual garbage" and more of the thrill ride, why should we adapt Dune at all? Stick with Riddick if that's what the audience wants. You're really making my argument for me - Dune works better on the page and should stay on the page. Dune is, ultimately, all about the "pseudo-intellectual garbage."

  • June 6, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Please no!

    by br1947

    I'm a huge fan of Dune, but even I have given up any hope of it ever being adapted well. It's just not something that works as a movie. Just leave it be...

  • June 6, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I was really hoping Ron Moore would write this

    by CrichtonAstronut

    considering that this is right up his alley theme wise. Messiahanic and religious overtones. And ever since the news came that he was working with Berg on some other project I was hoping he'd get tapped for this as well.

  • June 6, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Do the Herbert/Anderson prequels

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • June 6, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    And get them to either write the screenplays

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    or consult. Stupid typo earlier,didn't mean to hit enter. But let's see the origins of Gurney Halleck, Duncan Idaho, and more of Duke Leto. I liked hurt, but the Duke from the Lynch version (Jurgen something, too lazy to hit IMDB) seemed to bring royal lustre to the role in what brief shining moments he had.

  • June 6, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel as Rabban "The Beast" Harkonnen

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    That could actually work. But not for the prequel. He'd be too old. Too bad Bale is in everything. He would be a great Muadib.

  • June 6, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Whoever said Jake Gyllenhall as Paul was spot on

    by moondoggy2u

    I said so myself many moons ago. Still, by the time this script is hammered out and filming begins, I think Jake might be too old. Then again, stranger things have happened. <p>As for Dune being filmable...I think its entirely possible to present a 3 hour Dune film. In a nutshell, the immediate story of Dune is the demise of a royal family at the hands of an evil Baron and corrupt Emperor, and the surviving heir's quest to destroy the baron and depose the emperor. Through it all we see the evolution of Paul from child, to man, to a superman. That's it, boys and girls, and its nothing more complicated than that. Oh sure, there is the backdrop of Dune, where we see how the fremen are united into a single nation to bring the power of the galaxy, spice, into their hands, but again, this isn't that difficult to depict. As for all that internal dialogue...well, just turn the important parts into actual dialogue and we're done. <p>The fact is that the original Dune was only 2 hours long and spent too much time in the opening and not enough time on the actual plot. We don't need to Caladan; all of those scenes could have just as easily played on Arakis. The film itself could have opened with the arrival of the Atreides.<p>The characters of Thufer and Duncan, while important in a literary, anecdotal sense, should be little more than window dressing. I mean, really, in a film version, does the head of security for a royal family that doesnt survive past the first act really require more than two or three lines? If you combine introduction with the downfall of the family, you're going to cut a lot of the fat and be able to retain a lean, mean first act, which is something Lynch's Dune did not do. Why, half of the entire film was nothing but the 1st act and was spent on entirely unecessary things. <p>I'm a huge fan of Dune and have probably read that novel about 20 times or so--at least. I've read EVERY Dune book, even the horrifying Butleryian Jyhad crud, and I'm telling you guys, Dune really can work on film. Just don't try to adapt the entire 1st act scene-for-scene like Lynch attempted, and don't get bogged down in expository scenes or characters who serve no purpose to the immediate story. Sure, the novel seemed more epic as a result, but ultimately, a film that spends time on introductions to characters that won't even live ten minutes just makes it too damned much to absorb. <p>As for the spice, I think Paul needs to learn about it as he goes along. In the book, and in both the television and film adaptations, a lot of expository information is presented in the first act, which, of course, made for some of the most boring, confusing opening acts you could possibly imagine. If the film would center on Paul and his reactions, Spice will be a mystery and the audiences, like Paul, will learn as they go along. Again, Paul shouldn't know everything from the word go, as he seems to in the film adaptation.<p>Sorry for the long post, but I just get annoyed by those who think the thing can't be translated properly to the screen. I mean, sure, if you pulled a Lynch and tried to reproduce the first act verbatum and skim through the real exciting meat of the story, then yeah, its gonna be bad. But if you actually get a little creative in editing the book, you really can have a 3 hour Dune epic on screen.

  • June 6, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Basically, its a sci fi version of Lawrence of Arabia

    by moondoggy2u

    In fact, save for a difference in the first act, I would say Dune is almost exactly like Lawrence of Arabia.

  • June 6, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    And before anybody says it

    by moondoggy2u

    I realize that Lawrence of Arabia was about 4 hours, but that film had a very leisurely pace that emphasized the cinematography as much as the plot itself.

  • June 6, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    What about Richard Harris?

    by moondoggy2u

    Surely O'Toole's friend was just as cool?

  • June 6, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Well, just don't let it happen again, Xiphos

    by moondoggy2u

    Otherwise, I'll order you to drink six fingers and smoke two cigars. <p>Still, considering that Harris is dead, I guess O'Toole really is the best, now. "De-fault! The two sweetest words in the english language!"--Homer Simpson.

  • June 6, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Too bad David Lean never went through with his version.

    by Bubba Gillman

    But I love the Lynch version, especially for its dreamlike quality. I get the sense that the Berg version will be more straightforward and maybe even competently made, but nowhere near as memorable.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Well Done, Moondoggy

    by Traveler 27

    That's actually a spiel an exec can understand. That argument might actually convince. I'd pay to see it. Many people won't sit through 3 hours all in one sitting, however; unlike Lawrence, movies just don't have intermissions anymore. Current equivalent: A couple of 2 hour movies, released a year apart, a'la Kill Bill.

  • June 6, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Dune is great, but for Arthur paedophile Clarke

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    to put it as the SciFi LOTR is ludicrous. LOTR is the perfect adventure novel, up their with the works of Homer in it's profound creation of it's world. Dune is overblown. Interesting but overblown.

  • June 6, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    David Lynch got the look of Dune perfect...

    by KillDozer

    and that's enough for me. Stillsuits, worms, shields, the planet and the cast in general were all great. Unless the new movie is somehow able to keep all of these things, it's already starting off at a big loss, IMO.<p>In addition, and maybe I'm alone in this, I think they'd be doing a big injustice to the whole story by just filming the first book. Herbert's series was all about the dangers of humanity being united under one messiah-figure so it'd be a little weird to just film the one story that talks about the rise of that messiah as if he's a hero to humanity instead of the person that almost brought about the downfall of civilization.

  • June 6, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Jack Black? is this April 1st???

    by ComputerGuy68

    ?

  • June 6, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Having just sat throu 'sex and the city', i can handle a lengthy

    by BendersShinyAss

    It's all about script. I wouldn't sit thru a 3 hour plus DUNE just because it's called Dune and is based on a classic. Thats just a lazy hollywood payday and another audiance screwing over. <p> Sex and the city was good, by the way.

  • June 7, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    I would love to see Ridley Scott's Dune!

    by The Outlander

    I can't think of any other director that would be as capable as him, to do Dune the right way.

  • June 7, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Jodorowsky...

    by Philo

    Fuck..... Jodorosky..... Get a grip. Does no-one else get it?

  • June 7, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    seriously

    by Philo

    seriously guys can you look at the artwork Chris Foss produced adn tell me that Dune cannot be realised on screen? Productiuon desigh;l done, script; done (Herbert). Just do it! Film the whole book then edit the crap out of it till it makes a movie... Just keep the vision these guys found!

  • June 7, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Riddick Was A Horrible Movie

    by Media Messiah

    Riddick plays much like the tv and film versions of Dune...as it shares their same failing. The Chronicles of Riddick missed opportunites to present romance, comic relief, coherent action, good special effects, real tension between the villain and hero, and emotionally engaging moments overall. In fact, the only good moments were the prologue sequence, the escape from the prison, and the climax. Ultimately, the story about a conquering army of religious zealots fell flat due to the director going power mad with the film's tremendous budget, building huge sets for no reason, at massive costs to the production, sets that could have been realized via miniature, matte paintings and CGI??? The money that would have been saved, could have been used elsewhere to enhance the look of the film. MGM's TV Series Stargate:SG1 has handled similar material with their Ori story arc much better and to surprisingly good effect.<BR><BR>Some have missed my point about the needed action and emotionally involving moments that all drama needs, not just Science Fiction or related genres. If the audience doesn't feel vicariously attached to the characters, and emotionallly invested, they will have no stake in the plot points unfolding on the screen...and if that happens, they couldn't give a damn about the film that they are watching. The difference between a potential huge hit, and a failure at box office!!!

  • June 7, 2008, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Klytus_I'm_Bored

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Kyle Maclachlan was 24 in Dune, not 30.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    "dune" is way too long for a 2h movie!

    by r0ck3t

    this story in one movie ? never ever... if you havent read the book you cant understand it all. so many facts and sidestorys. if they wanna make it good they have to make a triology at least.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Lone Survivor

    by Bruarvatn

    I really wanted Peter Berg to do Lone Survivor now. I loved The Kingdom and think he would have made a great movie based on Marcus Luttrell's fantastic book.

  • June 7, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Lynch's Dune seems claustrophobic, the

    by Dingbatty

    way the scenes are framed, though. Ceilings are low, low. And in Exterior shots, the figures always touch the top and bottom of the screen. You never get a sense of vastness.

  • June 7, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Quantum of Solace

    by Internet Thug

    as long as it has an alligator shaped submarine in it they can call it whatever the fuck they want.

  • June 7, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    kwisatz

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    I don't care what his driver's license said, McLachlan LOOKED 30. Which was a problem.

  • June 7, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    IRON MAN??

    by BonScott

    I heard something that a couple of the writers had been asked to look at Dune to see how they would write it. Like many of you, they feel that a single movie would be gutted, yet they feel that they could pull it off if streamlined. At the same time they also feel it would be better suited as a trilogy. But that would be a logistical decision made by the producers and the studio.

  • June 7, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Media Messiah is right

    by m_prevette

    The only way to make Dune is to gut it..streamline that crap and make it exciting. Otherwise it's talking heads and a retread of the HORROR that was Lynch's abomination. Dune is not a cinematic story and it never will be, IF you want it to be true to the book. Only way to do it is to make a Hollywood spectacular, which would mean getting rid of a majority of the "pseudo intellectual garbage" and make a damn Sci Fi action movie. I've never been a fan of Dune, got burned out on the books VERY quickly, but anyone who understands film structure has to admit...a faithful verbatim Dune would be a terrible movie. NOT to trash the books or their fans, if you dig them, that's great. But great books do not make great movies. Look at all the narrative changes that were needed to make LOTR work.

  • June 8, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    octagonproplex...

    by Rameses

    It doesn't look like anyone else is going to reply to you on the paedo' question.But apparently Arthur had an interest in young ,dark -skinned boys ..

  • June 8, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The Kingdom

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    There was some ADD direction going on in that flick. You really needn't cut every 2.5 seconds when two people are sitting on a plane having a civilized conversation.