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“Battlestar Galactica” is going away after next Friday, but we’re still not sure for how long.
SciFi hasn’t yet said when it will air the series' final 10 regular episodes, or the now-filming prequel pilot “Caprica,” or the new webisodes, or the proposed “Galactica” TV-movie(s) that may or may not shoot this summer. One imagines the channel might reveal some or all of this in a promo that airs during next week’s 10th episode of the series’ final season.
If you missed last week’s, Lee Adama somehow talked Baltar’s gun-toting old lawyer into letting Lee be the new president of the fleet. Bill Adama confessed his love for the kidnapped president. Athena was tossed in stir, then released – because that’s what you do with Athena. It was discovered the Six in Galactica’s brig was pregnant and that she was routinely boning her one-eyed fellow Cylon Saul Tigh. Oh, and Bill Adama stepped down as admiral and appointed Tigh his replacement.
SciFi says of tonight’s episode, “The Hub”:
In pursuit of the enemy's Resurrection Hub, a misfit team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan.
* Cavil unboxes D’Anna, who has seen the faces of the Final Five.
* D’Anna kills Cavil.
* Elosha, the priest who stepped on a landmine during the search for the Tomb of Athena way back near the start of season two, returns in visions to guide Roslin.
* Roslin has many visions, including one depicting her succumbing to cancer.
* Baltar may confirm to Roslin his role in the decimation of the colonial planets.
* Roslin tells Bill Adama she loves him.
* Next week’s cliffhanger is rumored to return focus to Kara’s resurrection.
The teaser of tonight’s episode will be fed here at the top of every hour from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. ET.
The rest of the episode hits SciFi Friday at 10 p.m.
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My vote for best show since the Twilight Zone.
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Will have more chips on the table than ever. Humanity will be on the edge of a knife. RDM and Eick said this past week in an interview that the break will have more at stake than the season 2 ender. Can't fucking wait
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Will Sky One in the UK still air the season in one run?
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2009 is waay to long. I'll be dead by then.
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So we had all that waiting well over a year ago just to see if we get a final season just to get cut off? Granted breaks happen and all in regular series...but we've waited something fierce like to get shit tied up and get it all sorted out. Either RDM doesn't know how to finish it out and make everything come together or sci fi needs to make the best of what they can for rateings and drag this puppy out for all it's worth. Doc is a cylon, I'm pissed. Real fans of the show deserve better. Especially after the wait. Thoughts?
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Why the hell might this be the last episode of 2008? Is it the writer's strike???
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Especially after the wait (and support)
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Was just bizarre. Does this mean the kid will be the final Cylon? Because it will be a pure Cylon as opposed to the other hybrid kids. <p> Goddammit I like a good cliffhanger but I hate waiting!
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I'll be honest...it's not what I expected. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I can't say I've seen a recent episode that blew my mind yet. It's a very personal, cerebral approach thus far. The writing and acting are strong. I still don't know how I feel about this new Baltar, even though I've been waiting for this type of journey. Last week's Romo Lampkin dissapointed me. And couldn't it have dwelled a little more on a Cylon civil war? That's some cool shit, but it went by kinda fast. I just want to LOVE it...and I may in time. For now, I'm waiting for it to go somewhere special again.
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I'm in no danger of tuning out.
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all will be revealed in the movie, you frakkin idiots
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So if they're going to just sit on the episodes why not just do a "Lost" and make the final 10 episodes a 5th season? Maybe even throw in a few fillers to bump it up to 13?<br><br> I just don't get this way of showing a series. I'm having serious problems remembering (or even caring!) what happened in season 3 as it is (and it wasn't THAT good that it deserves a re-watch just yet) so just pausing the season for 6-12 months, mid-stride, is going to hurt the show IMHO.<br><br>At the moment I'm thinking the final Cylon is Baltar (the obvious choice) or the gravel-voiced lawyer (a less obvious choice? perhaps not considering his relationship with the Adama family and the synopsis of the prequel pilot). Either way, at the moment I'm involved with the series and storyline but it took some effort to get here. If it's dragged out much longer (for ratings, TVMs or whatever) I'm not sure I'll care quite as much at the end (and that's coming from a Lost fan!)
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Not voluntarily though. I think it's among the best TV ever made. However, there's only so far you can stretch anticipation before it turns to indifference. I think the new series is probably as good as ever, but the gap made a drop in momentum. That makes me sometimes think, 'why am i not liking this season more - is it the show, or have i just phased out a little from the BSG universe in the long gap. Another may mean that even if i'm still watch the conclusion (i'm sure i will) i won't enjoy it as much as i could have, meaning i certainly won't bother with any of the spin offs. With Dexter blowing me away each season and 24 returning, who'll need more BSG. Hope this gap doesn't materialize.
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and seems to be stretching longer and longer. well at least we didn't go through a lot of filler this season. i expect the id of the final cylon to be next week. my money is on boxey
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Yes, very tiresome. I think we won't know the final cylon till the last 3 episodes. I think they'll milk the tension of the fleet's discovery of the four going undercover already. Then they'll hit us with numero uno. Question about the final ringer is not just the identity, but whether or not they already know. I think it would be a little arch it he/she does know, but it'll be interesting to see which way Moore chooses to go with that.
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or rather, i would, but this is a still a family show.<p>
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My Sky magazine this month describes this ep (which screens in the UK next tuesday) as a 'mid-season finale'.<p> So it is obviously taking a break, but who knows for how long? Despite the fact that Sky is a co-producer and got the jump on the US the other week, screening Sine Non Qua early, I really don't think Sky has much pull or say over how the show screens. We got season 1 before the US, but I suspect that was mainly because the US suits wanted to see how it played as a trial run. I think the UK is still the tail on the dog.<p> For the record, despite some more mixed eps (including Sine Qua Non), i think s4 has been great
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the last episodes of BSG will consist entirely of lampkin reading or quoting from law books you heard it here first
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They suspended production during the Writer's Strike. Rumour has it that next week's episode might have had to serve as the series finale had they not been able to get things up and running again. <p> Rumour also has it that they were planning to split the season anyway to stretch things but as it is, they still haven't quite finished filming the last of the episodes yet.
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I think the reveal that Lampoon is a lune who still sees his cat was a little botched. Could be simply implausible, or just poorly executed. Found myself not buying it when he turned the gun on Apollo. A very rare drop in the show's quality. Final cylon has to be Apollo! Boltar's too easy - not a reveal. Starbuck's too obvious after her absence (an the fan's would be real pissed cos we all love her;). Adama doesn't lend to enough drama tension - we all know which way he'd turn, he's a good guy no matter what. No tension if it's Roslyn cos she's pretty annoying anyway. Gotta go for the character who reveal creates the most dramatic tensions - to give the others the toughest choices. Everyone likes Apollo, he's mr goody two shoes. If it's him everyone will have the hardest time having to kill him. Plus, there's that kooky dream he had when he almost died; float on the lake. the number 6 just had a similar vision as she was dying last week!!! I really hope they make Baltar the a hero in the end, his character has had the best arc (Tai's a close second - love that guy). Does anyone really read this shit?
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That's the way it has always been. Maybe it's a Bonnie Hammer thing. Maybe it's their corporate culture. Dunno. But instead of just promising a fifth season, they now will stretch the final season interminably, order a bunch of movies, webisodes and a backdoor spinoff pilot.<br> <br> Why didn't they just promise a 5th season? It's the SciFi channel, that's why!
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June 6, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST
still dont forgive them for not running the lost room as a serie
by Mr_X
best mini series ever!
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Tom Zarek.
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A NUCLEAR FRIDGE!<P> Yeah, I did it. I nuked the fridge :D
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Lee Adamas wife, Duella ?, is the final cylon. Final answer.
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I'm ready for Mego style BSG action figures.
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but it may not happen again.<br> So many people have complained that Galactica drags things out. This episode and next week's tour de force should silence them effectively. Whenever Galactica comes back to finish the cycle, both "The Hub" and "Revelations" will guarantee that you retun to see it fulfilled. Everything is about to change.
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I canne take it
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There doesn't seem to be any repercussions for anything people do. I mean, Tigh has sex with the enemy, gives away god knows what in secrets, and they promote him to Admiral? Yeah, ok. Athena kills one of her own, solely based on a dream, and she basically gets off too. And after all that crap about Starbuck, she's Kag again? Way too many cylon kids, way too many loose ends. Adama steps down, abandons the last refuges of humanity (for all he knows), to chase after a skirt? Come on. Hell, they might as well have one huge mass orgy, shoot each other with pistols afterwords, and be done with it.
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the frakking ship. The Battlestar Galactica dum...dum...dum!
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June 6, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST
ACTION STATIONS! Set Condition One throughout the Fleet.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Alright fellas. Let's kick these final two BSG Talkbacks into high-gear. I wanna see some legitimate discussion going on.<P>Oh...uh...I may not be able to catch the episode tonight. But I'll be with you in spirit! The Sunday replay is my friend...
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I feel this season has been rudderless for most of the season. It seems that they have driven wedges between all the characters sending them all off in different directions story wise and it has lost the focus of the show. <br><br> They need to tie everything together and just write more focused the rest of the way or they are in serious jeparody of finishing with a whimper on a once great show. <br><br> This is the problem with a lot of serialized dramas these days. They feel they need to do a reboot of some sort every season and sometimes they work great (the last two seasons of Lost) and sometimes make the show lose direction (Sydney waking up 2 years later on Alias). I feel this season is in the latter category.
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Gaeta. Have felt it since the episode in season one where he is the one examining the video of who crippled the defenses on Caprica and then suddenly right before it is revealed it is Baltar, he claims he can't get a better image. <br><br> Granted, I have gone back and forth on this since on New Caprica he helped the resistance fighters. But it could have been because he wanted the humans to continue their search for Earth if he is a self-aware Cylon. I don't know, but I feel it could be him.<br><br> Personally, I think if it is Starbuck, Roselin, or Baltar at this point, it will be anticlimatic. Any of those three would be too obvious. It needs to be someone you wouldn't expect, but not too peripheral of a character that has had only a handful of lines the first three seasons (they already did that with the four Cylons by including very peripheral character Tory Foster as one of the four).
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...is the consequence of "pressure cooking" the characters and plot to a place that makes storytelling sense for the final 10 episodes. I feel like these first 10 have been nothing more than set-up pieces for the final stretch. (It could be a direct result of their decision to make Season 4 the last.)<P>Now, I say this with the admission that I'm not entirely pleased with the way these things have played out so far. Episodes have been bizarrely uneven and certain characters (and plot points) have become either stagnant or unfocused. It's not that this season hasn't had its incredible moments. They just feel few and far between while everything else feels uncertain.<P>However, I can't imagine this show would remain uncertain for very long. I still think it's going to 'splode.
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...to find the next show they hope will be their flagship to pair the last 10 eps with, and/or for DVD demand to be pent up. Or something. Does anybody truly understand how these breaks make SciFi more money than just running them through? Is it big premiere ratings when it comes back, is that all it is?
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Zarek as the Final Cylon has been my call for a long time, too.
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Never let Roslin be your nurse!
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who gives a shit. This last season of BSG is intolerably stupid--I don't get why people insist it's the "best show ever on TV". I guess those people are easily entertained. <br> <br> Why are there no consequences for anyone's actions on this show? The entire crew of the garbage ship mutinies, and no one gets in trouble. Anders blows the leg off of Gaeta, and he doesn't get in trouble. Athena kills the Cylon emissary who's helping them destroy the Cylon Resurrection ship, and she spends a whole 20 min. in the brig. Tighe is found out covertly visiting / banging the captive 6, knocking her up, and possibly compromising the security of the fleet in the process--not only is he NOT thrown in the brig, he's given command of the fleet!! Retarded. <br> <br> Don't even get me started on the absurdity of Homo Lapskin and his phantom cat, endless droning on and on about nonsense, and the ridiculously improbable turn of events that allows Lee Adama to become the interim President. Let's see, the fleet was all too willing to adhere to their Constitution, and allow the Secretary of Education to become the President, but they're not going to allow the duly elected Vice President to assume command, just because Admiral Adama doesn't like him? Retarded. <br> <br> Why do I still watch it? Morbid curiosity. Like a bad accident on the freeway, I've just got to look, to see how bad it's really gonna get.
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No More Lampkin! Please please please!!! He is Nikki & Paolo, Cousin Oliver, Dominic, Buffys sister Dawn, Kim Bauer and Jar jar Binks all rolled into one!!!
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holly shit had forgot how much ass BSG kicked. <p> sorry defenders of the 4th season. its just not the same show anymore. its fun, but dumb fun.
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Just like the 78 series. As far as the last cylon. There is none. With all the half cylons running around. Who cares. Cylons:We used to have a plan before we got a self-absorbed and angsty.
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Well, Doc's the last of the twelve. <br> <br> But Kara Thrace is the secret 13th Cylon. She was created to unite the cylons and humans and lead them to Earth to live together in peace once more. The original Cylons knew that it was inevitable that the two sides would war, and created Kara as the messiah.
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Missed it, and Scifi.com is a little tardy posting it before this week's.
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Considering the post-apocalyptic premise, that's been this show since day one.
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Right, but the Cylons weren't that. They had a kick ass plan to kill all and dominate, then became a bunch of losers. My wish, the final cylon is Elvis or Bob Newhart.
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It's Dean Stockwell!!!<br> Everyone Run!
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Who the heck is "Dominic"?
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BSG Megos would be SO tight! Better than that Madame Toussaud's shit that Diamond Select is doing.
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Ron Moore was keeping the best till last!<p> p.s. season 4 haterz can suck my big fat one. no season of galactica is perfect, but this one is pretty great so far.<p>
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You think season 4 is the best of BSG? Man, you are on some serious drugs. If you want to see tight writing mixed with great action and tension, re-visit seasons 1 and 2. With rare exceptions, everything after season 3 has been a boring shit fest.
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the vin diesel lookalike "friend from back home" from Entourage.
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We just had two cylons get all lusty and make a love child. So why go through all of this? Find out what luv is? Nope forget that. Copulate? Nope cylons(even Tigh) don't shoot blanks.
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newc0253 said that Season 4 is "pretty great so far". We know you're on the "bad accident on the freeway" bent but some levity, please.
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Who cares? Really?
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This has got me thinking...what if only the male model Cylons from the Final Five can conceive children? That would make proper Cylon daddies of Tigh, Tyrol, and...<P>...HELO!!!<P> Helo does always seem to be in some crucial situations...and he always seems to make the right decision. Oh, that would be sneaky. I'm putting Helo on my Final Cylon Suspect List. (Zarek is still tops.)
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"You think season 4 is the best of BSG?"<p> Did I say that?<p> No. It might be, but it's too early to say.<p> You, on the other hand, need to learn to read.<p>
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I've not read all the talkback here, lunch break is almost over, and I've got to get back to the saltmine so If I repeat someone, that's why. It just doesn't make sense to hold off airing the final episodes of a series that's ending anyway. Air em dammit, and get the DVD's out there for sale ASAP. There's my two cents anyway.
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would rock!!
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Every episode has propelled the story forward, there have been no filler episodes really. I don't get all the complaints.
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You wrote, "Ron Moore saved the best for last!" This is the last season of BSG, ergo, you must believe that season 4 is the best. <br> <br> Or maybe you don't. Maybe you're just an idiot who can't maintain a coherent line of thought.
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cylon baby making has to involve love. as explained by that whole helo and athena thing in s01. <p> now, athena and helo love each other, no doubt about it = hera. <p> chief, for all his "I settled for less, boohoo" whining obviously once loved cally. and she, like, always loved him = nicholas stephen tyrol. <p> now, as for tigh and caprica six... I don't think that there's a way in hell he's in love with her. he is in love with ellen though.<p> a lot. <p> and he keeps seeing her as ellen. <p> a lot. <p> so that takes care of one half of the equation. as for the other half, the only logical explanation would be that she's been disappointed in baltar enough times to be finally over him. <p> and that she's found someone who's even more messed up then baltar to fall in love with.
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It is better than much of the crap out there, no question...but I can't help but think it's a little more admirable for its ambition than the way it executes its storylines. Sometimes it seems to dispense major plot points in a nearly offhand way, almost like they feel they've written themselves into a corner and have to pull some sleight of hand to get out of the jam. And sometimes the characters don't behave logically or consistently, but more in a way that is convenient to the story at the time, like the characters themselves are only plot devices. It sounds like I'm bagging on the show. I'm not. It's all right. I'll probably watch until the end. But I can't shake the feeling it could and should be better. And as for the "Best Show on TV" tag some were trying to pin on it awhile back, if you think BSG at its best is ahead of The Wire at its peak, all I can say is puh-leeze.
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Righteous. Him or Quato as the Number Six/Tigh Cylon.
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I think that is why six asked tigh does he love her. <p> no love, no babies. <p> just my 2 cents...
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June 6, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST
yes, mach6, i did write "Ron Moore saved the best for last!"
by newc0253
that was immediately after i wrote that the final Cylon would be a Daggit.<p> reading comprehension? apparently not your strong suite.
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Is cartmans mom, Phil Mitchell's wife, Kevin Johnson, that chick who shot JR or probably Tom Zarek. Any of the other real candidates would be let downs. Like Lee's wife.
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just because the last episode was sub-par. However, I do think they need to stop wasting our time and get back to finding Earth already.
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by jae683 There doesn't seem to be any repercussions for anything people do. ... Athena kills one of her own, solely based on a dream, and she basically gets off too. by mach6 who gives a shit. This last season of BSG is intolerably stupid... Why are there no consequences for anyone's actions on this show? The entire crew of the garbage ship mutinies, and no one gets in trouble. Anders blows the leg off of Gaeta, and he doesn't get in trouble. Athena kills the Cylon emissary ... and she spends a whole 20 min. in the brig. Reply: Last we see Athena she's in the brig (guard and bars are clearly visible but she is holding her child. And the crew didn't mutiny on the garbage scow. Helo attempted to legally remove Starbuck as Captain because of her actions and intended actions. Anders shoots Geeta in the leg... what would you have done to him given the situation? He didn't shoot him in the chest or head and the situation with Helo and Starbuck makes it unclear whether he acted properly or not. Maybe he, like you, is considered to have seen it as a mutiny. Tigh boning the 6 is a security breach? Probably looks more like Tigh boning the 6 to Adama. He knows she's hot and even old men gotta bone. Or get lonely. Adama would have to think Tigh is much less of the officer he knows him to be to worry that he would be passing along secrets with his semen. And the Tigh/Six child is the final cylon. Mommy and daddy made a brand new baby. Hope it gets her eyes.
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"Zarek as the Final Cylon has been my call for a long time, too." As good a guess as any, but the thing that makes me stop and think, is his established history as a terrorist/violent radical revolutionary (he has one, right?) <p> Athena had false memories, did the other cylons? This throws me off a little. If Zarek has known for a long time then that may validate or even elaborate on the "cylon zarek" deal I suppose. I also cant imagine the final cylon as Lee Adama. Remember when he got all porked up, fatty style? Could (even an unknowing) cylon really let himself go like that?
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I've seen this one floated around a few times and no way do I actually BELIEVE it's coming to pass. However, it is an interesting idea when you consider that if he is one, then that means the Fleet is now entirely in the hands of the Cylons - Tigh has control of the military and Lee presides over the civies.<P>Be that as it may, I've already said that if one of the Adama boys turns out to be a toaster, I'm throwing my TV out the frakkin' window.
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I asked where I could see the last episode, for fuck's sake.
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...Too bad it kept going, rather than wrapping up with another miniseries.
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Quote: "Zarek...is his established history as a terrorist/violent radical revolutionary (he has one, right?)"<P>Yes, Zarek was establishes as a radical political terrorist. In fact, Lee/Apollo said he admired and agreed with a lot of Zarek's philosophies until his methods became violent.<P>As for Zarek being the Final Cylon, I think one clue is the fact that the Fifth did not make an appearance at the rendevous/revelation with the other Four. My belief is because that particular Cylon was not onboard the Galactica. However, I could be wrong and it's very possible that the Final Cylon may already be aware of its true nature.
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Sorry man. I'm not sure what's going on with Sci-Fi's post-episode streaming. It's terribly lame that they've chosen to switch it up like this before the mid-season break.<P>Good luck.
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June 6, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST
The Final Cylon reveal better not be in the final 15 minutes...
by Murraypalooza
I love BSG, but I think they would be doing a severe injustice to the show if they revealed #12 in the final quarter hour of the show, or hell...even DURING the final hour of the show.<br /><br /> From the looks of the preview, it seems as though one of the Final Five gets revealed as soon as Xena opens her warrior princess peepers, and thats GOOD because it will allow the viewer to register the emotional response of those who didn't know, and allow us/them to react to it for quite some time as the shows timeline progresses. <br /><br /> But if they reveal the last person as the big, OH MY GOD ITS THE LAST SHOCK OF THE SHOW, EVER! type reveal...it won't carry any weight with the characters in the show, which to me is vastly more important than the reaction of the viewers at home. I say reveal the final cylon with three episodes left and then allow the show to REACT to all of their worlds getting rocked while they find their new one. <br /><br /> What if something like Roslin dying occurs, then Lee dies somehow and Zarek takes presidency, only to be revealed to be the final cylon? <br /><br /> As a viewer, we'd be like "OMG I NEED TO TALKBACK THIS SHIT" and then go searching for Mr Nice Gaius' response and thoughts. But I'd find it equally enjoyable to have the knowledge that there aren't 15 more minutes in the show left to WONDER what Starbuck might think, etc. I want to see it, and I want to see the internal see-saw battle of emotions carry out throughout the main cast as they find the joys of a new home, and the pain/loss of knowing that one of them was, in fact, a skinjob the entire time. <br /><br /> RON MOORE GIVE ME WHAT I WANT, WE HAVE THE SAME INITIALS. <br /><br /> This message has been paid for and approved by "Greg Grunberg for Final Cylon" 2008.
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...by the time this show reaches it's end. That would be cool.
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Makes sense in a weird way.
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Fair enough--Athena is still in the brig, but for how long? My guess is she'll be let out by the end of the upcoming episode, with no repercussions for her actions. If there was no mutiny, then Anders assaulted a superior officer without provocation--either way, no repercussions. Tighe has used his authority to breach protocol by dismissing the security guards and disabling the security cameras, so he could boink what he believes to be his dead wife. Since he is already known to divulge sensitive information to his wife (see the occupied New Caprica storyline) with disastrous results, the logical conclusion is that if nothing else, it is a gigantic breach of security that has the potential of endangering the entire fleet. The only repercussions for his actions? Being promoted to Admiral, and given command of the Galactica! <br> <br> Sorry, but the plot lines of BSG have become completely retarded.
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I'm really enjoying this season. I will admit that nothing really happened in the season premiere but I think that the pacing and the drama has become really interesting. I can see why people are disappoined because this season is definately being scripted differently than the last season. I still think that the slow methodical build-up is better than episodes about union strikes and unethical, racist doctors.
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I think quite a lot has happened this season but it doesn't seem like it due to the increase in drama and less action. We had a cout on Kara's ship which involved someone losing their leg, we have a pregnant Six, the Chief's wife was killed, Lee's the intrem president, Galactica has a Cylon captain, the Cylon fleet is esentially having a civil war, Baltar has become the leader of a religious cult, etc. Most of the characters have gone through some sort of significant drama or change. Keep in mind that we're only in the first half of the final season. It seems like a good build-up for the end.
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"the Fifth did not make an appearance at the rendevous/revelation with the other Four. My belief is because that particular Cylon was not onboard the Galactica." - Thats sound enough. <p> "However, I could be wrong and it's very possible that the Final Cylon may already be aware of its true nature." <p> couldnt it be both? That he (assuming its a he) knew AND wasnt able to "make the meeting"? Or that he knew way before the other four, and for his own reasons, decided to skip it? This sounds far juicer to me. <p> I dont want it to be "oh god, Im a cylon too!", Id rather it be "so you finally figured it out! MOO-HA-HA!" <p> which brings up the question of the alignment of the final cylon? Will he be pure unaldulterated evil? Or just a pretty cool guy? Sorry, Im kinda lost on the exact motives of the final five, lol.
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So, like Baltar's in-head Six, and Romo's in-head cat, the Starbuck we've been seeing is a figment of everybody's imagination.
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I think not. Too much foreshadowing her death for it to happen. She will live.
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Interesting. Have we seen ANYONE besides a known cylon touch Starbuck? Did we see anyone "touch" the viper, or just talk about it? Smacks of The Sixth Sense, but I like it!
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adama needs someone to hug. : (
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Ha! Well said, sir.
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wow, that just ripe for a joke..... <p> "Starbuck" and "head"........ah yeah. <p> wait, didnt she punch somebody since she got back? They manhandled her and threw her in the brig at one point, also? <p> intriguing theory. but the downside is, ghosts dont give head.
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Quote: "Have we seen ANYONE besides a known cylon touch Starbuck?"<P>Absolutely. Don't you remember Lee giving her a big hug when she returned to the Galactica? Or, everyone holding her down after Roslin almost made a canoe out of her head?<P>Damn. The In-Head stuff is perplexing stuff though.
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The notion of a ""so you finally figured it out! MOO-HA-HA!" type scenario could have some serious potential. Especially if they are giving any credence to the OS concept of the Imperious Leader. It's all going to boil down to the nature and motives of the Final Five.
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Sure, people care. Absolutely. And why exactly should it have been revealed last season?
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Remember that we were shown Baltar hovering in mid-air when In-Head Six supposedly lifted him up to this feet.<p><p>The whole in-head stuff that Ron Moore has been doing throughout this show is screwy and unexplained. I have this feeling he will never fully explain it when the series ends -- because he himself never came up with a logical explanation for the in-head characters.
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Seriously, I STILL think it's Gaeta. However, Kirsan -- very interesting theory about Tigh/Six's baby being the fifth. Isn't this the first cylon/cylon pregnancy? Hmmm Prof.Pop-Cult -- I swear to gods, if Kara is in everyone's imagination, I will find Ron Moore and kick him in the balls so hard he will never have children. I'm scared because I keep finding reasons to think this theory may be true. But is anyone else not buying Bill and Roslin's relationship. They totally punked out by not showing us what happened. They just cut back weeks later and said "Ok it happened. Happy?" Lame. At least Lucy comes back tonight.
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June 6, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST
"The final five are from Earth, Earth, and are on Galactica."
by Mr. Nice Gaius
When was it announced or revealed that the Fifth was onboard Galactica?
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YES! Thanks for reminding us of the scene with Baltar being controlled like a string puppet. A VERY crucial moment in the series.
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I think things started out where Ron Moore was going with the whole Baltar is just crazy (schizophrenic) to explain the existence of In-Head Six. But then he decided to back off on it a little bit, because it was too obvious and Fight Club-y. It was a cliche, frankly. But I'm afraid that he is afraid to come up with another explanation (like, for example, they are physical manifestations of "beings of light" or something). Really, I think he's written himself into a corner on this matter. So he may have decided never to explain it. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if he never fully explains to us what happened to Starbuck and exactly WHAT she is now. Thus, if he's been leaning toward regarding her as an In-Head who is witnessed en masse by both the Galacticans and Cylons (she's a "beacon" guiding them to Earth), I don't think he will ever tell us this definitely, for fear of backlash. So he's just keep things ambiguous and "mysterious".
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So my guess is this: Starbuck's destiny was to sacrifice herself. She was guided/haunted by some kind of "Higher Being" that has a connection to Earth somehow. She had to sacrifice herself in order for this Higher Being to create a vessel in her image to guide the Galacticans (and perhaps the Cylons, too) towards Earth. In other words, the original Starbuck is dead. The entity we see now is a "beacon of light" created by this Higher Being in the image of Starbuck to guide them to Earth.
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I think one possibility, if the In-Head Starbuck theory is true, is that in a future episode -- like, one of the episodes towards the end of Season 4 as they near Earth, Starbuck's Viper simply disappears from the hanger bay. I mean, we don't see the Viper literally disappear. What would happen is that the crew goes to the bay where it has been stored in safekeeping, and it is simply gone.
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revealed right before this looooong break. Give everyone something to talk about.<p>There are still so many unanswered questions. To be honest there really isn't that much time left. Unless they cram it all into the final half of this season. I have a bad feeling that a lot is going not to be answered.
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As they get closer to Earth, Starbuck realizes she's not the real Starbuck. She never outrightly tells other characters this, and we're never fully told she's a figment of everybody's imagination. Remember, it will all be kept ambiguous. But she will make peace with all the people in her (the real Starbuck's) life.<p><p>For some reason, I imagine a scene where Roslin is looking out a portal window in the Galactica. She's dying and has requested that she be moved to a portal because she wants to see Earth as the last thing she sees before she dies. So it's Starbuck who fulfills her request -- she wheels Roslin to a portal. And it's just the two of them watching as our big blue planet starts to fill their view. Roslin dies happily, at peace. And when the camera pulls back, Starbuck is gone.
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I like that idea.
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but I kinda/sorta assumed that when thrace's ship got blown to smithereens, she was "transported" via blackhole to Earth and back. Matter remade and all that, you know? Then again, that explanation is far too Star Trek-y for this series, so who knows...
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This series is probably bleeding cash and they'd just like to end it now. The plot has gotten so convoluted, indiscriminate, and spurious, why should anyone care anymore? Then they throw the big hiatus at the few fans left. Yet they still talk spin offs and movies. Yeah, right. Good luck with that. I fast forward through most of it now, just to look at the SPFX. Got a few chuckles last time how they spent 20 minutes soul searching for the new President when everyone knew who it would be from the first second. "Gosh, he was under our noses all the time." Pedestrian writing with no direction or goal.
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You don't give a phantom character command of a real ship.
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adama and the prez sit down to eat some onion rings at an earth restaurant booth. when in walks starbuck. and a retro jukebox toaster starts playing some Journey. <p>:fade to black:
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I think some of the episodes have had the deepest and most thoughtful writing in TV. Each character coming to grips with the very thought of what it means to be human, or cylon for that matter. I enjoy watching each character examine their concept of right versus wrong, moral and immoral, love versus hate. It is interesting to see how Athena, Six, Di Anna, and even Baltar have changed since the start of the mini series. Perhaps the most interesting are Adama and Tigh. has anyone noticed just how sensitive Adama has become once he accepted the fact that he could love again? Also because Roslin is dying, just how precious lives are to him again? Most importantly, has anyone noticed that Tigh does NOT drink anymore? Through each episode, and season, we see the characters on Galactica become more and more human like everyone else. Has every show connected? No, but damn, raise a glass to the writers, directors, actors, and crew, for at least allowing us all to a long a look at what it means to be human.
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Busted Tee Girl. You can see the bolts thru her shirt. :-)<br><br>I still think it'll be Zarek.
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per Natalie Six's comments to the "inquisition" on Galactica, when she was proposing they work together<p>And, there is always the possibility they are wrong: as far as we know, the Cylons base that assumption on the info they got from the Raiders, who only had an interaction with Anders. Maybe they just assumed from that that ALL Five are there.....
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We have no clearly defined limits on the nature of the InHeads, what they can or cannot do, but we HAVE seen them interact with the physical environment, and Baltar's InHead Six manifested where EVERYONE could see her, and then, just as suddenly, vanished again. They were careful to point out that she had done so without any record of her leaving the Galactica.<p>So it is possible that Starbuck could still BE Starbuck, but be now in an InHead form. She could command a ship, be seen by everyone, etc., as an InHead without violating any "rule" already demonstrated by previous InHead appearances.
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I was a huge fan of the mini-series and the first two seasons of BSG. Ever since they pulled the flash-forward (ie arbitrarily changing the "rules of the game" for the characters and plot) at the end of season 2, however, this series has slowly descended into an over-bloated mess. Characters that were once believable and three-dimensional are now reduced to plot devices. Every character now behaves in an illogical, irrational matter that goes against their established behaviors and even common sense. One episode, they're all in love with one another, happy (ish) in their character relationships and the next they are all at each other's throats and totally mistrusting of one another. Conversely, characters who previously hate each other suddenly, and just as inexplicably, they will be bed-hopping with one another at the moment's notice. And don't even get me started on addictions, incidents, grudges, attitudes that occur without even the barest hint of a symptom for said event/grudge/addiction/attitude's existence. No, these things appear in a flash and dissapear just as quickly. That is sloppy writing, ladies and gentleman. Love it or hate it, it is sloppy writing. <p>And then there are the events that occur that so obviously defy logic and reasoning that they damage even my willingness to suspend disbelief (and I'm a very, very willing guy). A traitor is found innocent, then becomes president, who then acts as a puppet president for the invading cylons, orders the deaths of untold hundreds, perhaps even thousands, is eventually deposed and nearly killed, becomes a traitor yet again, and is now a religious Jimy Swaggert type for nearly half the fleet, which, incidentally, seems to be entirely composed of mentally retarded field mice. And that is JUST ONE character arc! What about other blatantly illogical actions occur on this show? Unstable people become commanders without so much as a peep from said commander's peers. Characters shoot people with little more punishment than brig time.<p>And then there are the cylons who are in our galactic fleet of lemming children. We've got people who are cylon infiltrators, half-cylon babies, five secret cylons, people with cylons in their heads, and honest, open cylon rebels. The only guys who we're pretty sure arent cylons are either dead or dying, if you ask me. <p>Then there is the obvious budgetary problems with this show. Ever since the third season began, it has been obvious from the start that this BSG's budget has been cut. For every few seconds of effects, we get episode on top of episode filled with pointless asides that do nothing to further the story, which has screeched to a halt as a result. Where we were once subjected to episodes filled with a plethora of story threads entangling with one another (yet still focused on the ultimate plot), we now get bogged down on entire episodes devoted to only one character at a time, and these episodes are anything but dialogue/action/plot heavy. No, they are mostly filled with the characters staring off into nothingness, wondering if they've turned the oven off before they left their quarters. <p>This is a show that was obviously intended to have only three seasons and has instead been stretched, to the breaking point, to four seasons. <p>Which brings me to my final complaint: the Sci-Fi channel. These guys have completely, utterably, and undeniably screwed the pooch on this show. Due to they're demanding of a third season and they're glacieral pace in producing the fourth season, BSG, were one to somehow overlook the glaringly hackneyed writing, he or she would still find it exceedingly difficult to sustain anticipation, suspense, and even interest in the outcome of this series. <p>In short, BSG, a show that was once a tightly scripted, well-acted drama involving realistic portrayals of human beings as they struggle to survive and fight against an all encompassing enemy, has now descended into the realm of situational, comic-bookESQUE soap-opera pap.
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that they are always together, in the same locale...<p>If the Fifth is kinda running/orchestrating events, could be in another location, another form, multiple locations [cough-Hybrid-cough]<p>Let's not forget that the Five serve the One (per the texts read aloud at least twice during the Jupiter episode), so the One may be doing the orchestrating/running, and the Five do his/her bidding.<p>And let's also not forget that the "Leoben" who guided Kara into the Maelstrom was NOT Leoben: Kara, immediately after her mother passed, looked at him, smiled a big smile, and said "You're not Leoben" to which he replied: "I never said I was...."<p>So the Fifth may be able to appear to anyone in any form (InHead, or maybe not) as needed. Or maybe the Not Leoben was also Not the Fifth, either.
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over and over again: I am an Angel Of God, sent to help you.<p>Maybe we can take that at face value......
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Normally I edit these damn things in word check before I post, but I didn't have much time and just free-formed the damn thing in four minutes. I'm really sorry if its next-to-impossible to read the sucker.
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all twelve cylons in one room.
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Great post. Screw the editing. Pretty much how I feel about the series.
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Take a look at the "Boomer" in the last scene. She is learning and wants to be in love. The focus on the hands. A very beautiful shot.
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i think
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i think
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Great word! Loved Roslin's dialogue. She really is a great leader.
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Something's gotta happen to keep that from taking place...
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Is she killing Baltar? Shes letting him bleed to death....
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So it is looking like the "You are one of the final five" scene from last week's teaser is going to be this week's cliffhanger. I will be really pissed if that is the case.
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Head mystic is going to tell her to not kill him.
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Did anyone else connect Baltar bleeding from his side and how Jesus was stabbed in his side? Seemed like a nice parallel.
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for Mary McDonnell??
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Baltar is the cylon jesus. I mean look at him sermonizing that tin can before.
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in a long while.
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THEY ARE ON EARTH.... TALK about a fucking cliffhanger...
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Anyone notice how there are 13 tribes now 13 cylons since Tigh and Six's baby would be a full blown cylon? Any other 13's i've missed?
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For the love of gods give mary mcdonnell the emmy for this episode......the teaser for next weeks episode looks great.....adama on the floor and crying talking about all the people he has sent to die....should be a good one. Too bad we have to wait till 2009 after that
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Now that the cylons can't dowload and they're all accepting their mortality, what's the difference who's a cylon and who's not? It's not like the seven or eight cylons in the fleet left are going to put up much of a fight. Or is the show not about the fight anymore? Is it now whether or not the Five can point the way to Earth? anyway, good episode, better than last week for sure. I nearly shit myself when D'Anna joked about Roslin being a cylon (though I suppose she still could be). The reunion at the end was very sweet. 'Bout time, indeed.
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Is absolutely right. Very much an emmy episode.
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Wow, I'm completely in love with Mary McDonnell. That ending was a tear-jerker, on a par with the Penny/Desmond phone call.
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Gotta love Baltar's one-sided conversation with the Centurion this episode. This was a solid episode...Helo's "Im following orders!" is gonna bite him in the butt methinks. Next week looks holy-shit. Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders in the airlock???
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Christ on a popsicle stick--she's not imaginary. Everyone on the ship see her and can touch her, she can pilot ships and drink and everything else a real person can do--she may still be the final Cylon (I don't think so though) but she is as real as the rest of them. It's a batshit theory.
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Aboslutely FUCKING Incredible episode. I was blown away. and next week is shaping up to be a masterpiece. This is the greatest series on television bar none.
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Are the cylon god, or at least angels sent by him. And that fake-out was perfect. I'm glad to see an emmy-bait ep, hopefully they can one day call it "the emmy-winning" BSG
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I see no evidence of Sci-Fi suspending the last 10 episodes of this season. Where is this information coming from? There appears to be another new episode next week.
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Then the waiting begins for the back 10.
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another new episode next week but after that there delaying the next 10 episodes till 2009....well at least thats the case in Canada because on the teaser tonight they said next week's episode was the last one till 2009
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that means no mo' Cavil? I stayed away from the preview for next week.
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His brothers though might still be alive on other ships. As for the Cylon who is dying dying its probably D'anna. Shes the only 3 left, they blew the rest away when they took out the hub with the boxing facilities.
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That "fake-out" scene was kinda stupid, sorry. Cheap way to fuck with the audience.
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I'm interested to see the reactions of the fleet when they find out "who" the cylons are. Can't wait to see how different the final five are from the other cylon models. So yeah...it matters. At least to this viewer.
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Thanks for the heads up on Weeds...off to watch ep.3 now. :)
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i thought this was one of mcdonnell's weakest episodes. the shaking while baltar was telling her about the access codes, the fetal position, all of her actions basically with baltar in that little room, seemed terribly forced. i even got a little uncomfortable. i hate seeing actors try to act so hard.
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the way Roslin started to think it over was great. And it seemed to me to be an inside joke with all us viewers trying to guess: when we first heard D'Anna say it, we started to think "okay...how does that fit?" just like Roslin. Well done. The Look On OUR Faces!!
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This season is officialy a disaster. This episode, which seemed like it would finally come in and rejuvinate this rather boring season was just so mishandled. Compare this to either resurrection ship part 2 or the hand of god episode in season 1 and you see how off the mark this is. Yes the effects are great, but wheres the build-up and strategy to the battle? The battle-plan just comes up out of thin-air in one conversation, we barely get any set up for who will be doing what, and the music is completly off this time. What was the rebel base-star doing during the battle? Wasn't it damaged? Shouldn't it have gotten destroyed in the battle? How was the resurrection hub completly empty if it was so important? And why endless upon endless philosophy and melodrama with Roslin's visions? Ugh, I could go on all day. Unless they've got some kind of miracle up their ass it seems Battlestar Galactica will go out with a whimper instead of bang.
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and the Centurion's puzzled head twist
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and liked the room full of Sixes and Eights at the pilot briefing....
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June 6, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST
D'Anna pointing out that Roslin's deception was a wasted effort
by chromedome
was good, and there will be consequences.
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it was somebody's THEORY. Easy, there, calm down your feisty self.<p>Starbuck has always been somehow different, and came back from "death" somehow different from before (along with a different Viper, as well). <p>No need to go Apeshit when somebody thinks out loud in a talkback...
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his InHead Six (the Angel of God (?) who spent so much time to "convert" him) has not been around much?<p>She was a NoShow InHead as he lay there bleeding out....
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June 6, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST
Ambiguous Starbuck spoilers from Sackhoff in the Phila. Inquirer
by BrandLoyalist
An article related to her Wizard World Philadelphia appearance: <br> http://tinyurl.com/674btb (heads to philly.com)<br> (HEY, SPOILERS, MAYBE) Appears she's going to be playing an anesthesiologist as a regular on Nip/Tuck. Uncertain whether this new role, or her coy statement at the start of this article, could mean Starbuck won't be around in the episodes they air in 2019. Have they shot the second half? Shooting? She also suggests we shouldn't expect a happy ending to the series: "The way that things have gone - the almost total annihilation of humanity - do you really think it'll end with bunnies and kittens . . . wrapped up with a bow?"
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<P>Is season 4 good? We'll only know once SciFi gets around to airing the whole thing. </P> <P>It would make sense if the Final Cylon was someone who wasn't on the Galactica during the activation. That would explain why they didn't meet up with the others. Hell they might have heard the damn Dylan song, shrugged about the crazy ass music playing in their head and gone back to cleaning toilets. I fully expect the last Cylon is a janitor since we need one to mop up the rest of this series.</P> <P>Give me a frakkin break with the gun in the face scenes! Off the top of my head we've seen it with Roslyn and Starbuck, Baltar and Lavatory Grunt #2, Tigh and Adama in addition to Lampkin and Lee this season. It never goes anywhere and nobody gets shot! It's called crying wolf you bunch of fucking hacks. And Gaeta doesn't count, no one cares about his leg.</P>
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Totally enthralling episode. ALL HAIL ESPENSON!
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Resurrection technology is obtained by Baltar. He resurrects himself on Earth and is called the Christ. The ending of this series is going to piss off a lot of Christians.
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The kittens will be Cylons--you heard it here first.
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I really dug this episode. Wow. Baltar admits to Roslin he surrended the Colonial codes to the Cylons. First time in 4 seasons he's admitted this to anyone.<p> And Roslin hugging Adama at the end. Great moment.<p> Season 4 continues to kick ass.
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...the Entire production line"<p>great line
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The reason why everyone's acting more and more crazy every eposide... is simply that everyone is at the end of their rope. They all feel the end coming. The main thing I don't find realistic is all the politicians in that presidential ship. They seem completely disconnected with the critical situation around them.
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You know, as a guy who enjoys sci-fi and comics and all sorts of fun, geeky kind of stuff, I basically like BSG. I really do. In fact, I'm old enough to remember being a kid who completely freaked out over STAR WARS in '77 (yes, I'm lucky enough to say that I actually experienced it in a theater when it first opened) and as a result I can also clearly remember watching the 3 hour "event premiere" of the original BSG on ABC. Hell, I still even vividly remember how they had to cut INTO the premiere to show fucking Jimmy Carter signing the Middle East Peace Accord. How many of you older types remember when THAT happened about 2 hours into the show? And I was a big BSG fan back then. I still even have all my original models from way back then.<p>And I got the basic idea of the show. It wasn't too hard to figure out who was good and who was bad. It was man versus robot. Humans looked like Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict...Cylons looked like robots. They had shiny, clanking robot bodies and a red eye that goes back and forth and even gives off an electronic whir so you KNOW it's a fucking robot. And most important of all, when you shoot them -- BAM! -- out come wires and sparks and lots of ROBOT STUFF.<p>Ok, check. Got it. Robots are bad. Shoot the robots before they shoot you.<P>So flashing forward in time, geek at heart that I am, I was among those pysched to hear that they were updating and bringing back BSG. And I still remember watching this version's premiere. I thought it was fun that in the premiere they showed us an old Larsen-era Cylon in a glass case. And I understood the basic set-up. Decades ago the humans were at war with the Cylons -- that is, Cylons who looked like the old TV show -- and the humans won and beat them back. The Cylons disappeared. And now every year a human ambassador goes to this remote space station and waits to see IF a Cylon ambassador will show up as well to officially resume talks or declare a truce or whatever. And sure enough, what happens in the premiere? Two clanking robots show up followed by -- GASP! SHOCK! -- a hot blond (Six) and we now learn that Cylons no longer look like robots, but instead like us.<p>Ok, check. Got it. The NEW twist for the NEW version is that robots LOOK like humans and there are 12 models amongst us. But just the same, as everyone in the human fleet constantly reminds us show after show, they're still frakkin' TOASTERS. That's right, the Cylons are still MACHINES.<p>Which is where I'm now totally confused. Overall I like the show, but I don't feel like going back and sitting through a zillion of the more boring episodes to get an answer to this, so maybe some die-hard BSG fan can answer this for me...<p>Why are they frakkin' Toasters? Why are the humans still even calling them that? How are they even machines at this point? Seriously, what the fuck is this show about anymore and why should the humans and cylons be fighting on ANY level anymore?<P>If Apollo screws Starbuck and gets her pregnant, no problem. Obviously we all know our basic biology and humans can have human babies. Check, got it.<P>But hold your horses: Helo screws Athena, and now we learn that a human guy can knock up a Cylon woman. Ok, in sci-fi terms that's a definite Wowzer. That's certainly a mixed marriage to say the least. Boy, I tell you, Hera must be a true miracle baby! Man and machine mating!<P>The only problem is The Chief turns out to be a Cylon guy...he screws Calley...and suddenly she gets pregnant and gives birth too. So apparently this whole mixed marriage thing works both ways. Go figure!<p>BUT WAIT! In the immortal words of Elmer Fudd, That's Not All, Folks! Because now we see that Tigh can screw a Six and knock her up TOO. So it turns out Cylons can have their own kids as well. This is one giant sex-o-rama breeding ground!<p>So I'm dead serious here. As someone who has actually watched this show since it premiered, I swear I have no idea what the hell is going on anymore. Like I said, how are the Cylons "robots" or "machines" or "frakkin' toasters" if they're getting knocked up BY humans...if they're out knocking UP humans...and if they're now breeding themselves?<p>And you know what confuses me the most? When you shoot the fuckers, they don't have sparks anymore! It's blood and guts and whatever, so I have NO IDEA why the Cylons and Humans just don't sit down at this point and call it even. At this point, I'm watching BSG simply to see how the series ends, but I swear this thing makes NO sense to me anymore...
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The politicians' disconnect is proof major decisions ought not to be left to politicians. Even Roslin is helpless in all this. She has to make her most desperate decisions on the front lines completely at the mercy of fate and thecylons, not necessarily in that order.
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But it's still very warm. The fake out was bullcrap. It's pretty much already been established that Roslin isn't the 5th. And regular viewers know that! So why the hell is it shocking to anyone?! We know it's not true! When Baltar was giving the God speach as he was dying, I soooo wanted Roslin to whisper in his ear "Say hi to your god for me" and let his ass die. It would have brought another layer onto her character that she was now a dying murderer. Whatever, I'll never abandon the show, but I'm very skeptical at this point. Plus if we don't get a new ep till NEXT YEAR????!!! What the frak.
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in a sitrep sorta way, when he sees the basestar returns.... doesn't just rev the engines and rush over
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I know who the Fifth Cylon is!!!<br><br>I know who the Fifth Cylon is!!!<br><br>Okay peoples... I am about to blow this WIDE OPEN!!!<br><br>You know how there are no coincidences in this series, that every minute thing has a reason?<br><br>If this is the case... think about this:<br><br>saul Tigh<br><br>gaelon Tyrol<br><br>Tory foster <br><br>samuel T anders<br><br>Are you people seeing the pattern here?<br><br>Remember; no coincidences.<br><br>Who's the Final Cylon?<br><br>Tom zarek... like I've been saying for MONTHS!!!<br><br>But now I have the pattern cracked!!!<br><br>I knew it had to be Tom Zarek, because he was the only one of the people who might be a cylon who WASN'T on Galactica with the other four, going crazy hearing the music. Instead, he could have been hearing the music somewhere else. Anyone else on Galactica like Dualla or Gaeta would have been drawn by the music to abandon their post and join the other four.<br><br>It's the ONLY thing that makes sense.<br><br>Tom Zarek is the Final Cylon!!!
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...they are all Cylons. Humanity died out ages ago. The final Cylon model is so advanced it can recombine its "DNA" to create unique offspring. Just like the humans who invented Cylons, eons ago. Every few millenia, the "humans" trek back to Earth, discover that they are all Cylons, and resettle there. Sooner or later they forget they're Cylons, set out in starships for Caprica, and the cycle begins again. You are all naive if you don't know this to be true. Seriously, why would they entertain airing "Caprica" before the end of the series, unless our knowing that all the Capricans are actually Cylons would ruin that prequel? Open your eyes, people.
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DUDE! I totally remember that as well and being PISSED OFF as a 10-year-old. I'd waited MONTHS for BSG and then...heeeeeere's JIMMY! WTF. I still hate him for that. The next day at school we were all talking about much we hated Jimmy Carter for interrupting BSG. He needed to go back to peanut farming and helping Billy with his beer brand.
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Is Tricia Helfer (Six) pregnant?<p> The obvious questions once a character becomes pregnant on a show are:<P> Is the actress pregnant in real life?<p> Did they write in the pregnancy out of the blue due to the real life situation of the actress?<p> Either way, I have no desire to see Tricia Helfer pregnant.
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Since the beginning of the show, the writers have played fast and loose with the rules regarding the cylons. Now I'm sure someone will be more than happy to provide a laobred explanation that will reconcile all the inconsistencies and blind alleys, but at the end of the day, the nature of the cylons have changed to serve the story and themes the writers are trying to present. <br><br> Is this a cop out? I don't know. Personally speaking, although I don't love this aspect of the show, I enjoy the show enough as a whole to give it a pass. <br><br> For what it's worth, at this point, the cylons seemed to have found their level: they're simply human beings with superstrength and magical capabilities. Think Tolkien elves with a robotic pedigree.
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...Simply because I figured that behind the scenes, back when they first created and cast the part, Ron Moore said "Hey, you know what would be funny in a geek sort of way? If we make Richard Hatch a Cylon. Man, that ought to fuck with alot of fanboys' heads!"<p>Not to mention in Bryan Singer's aborted version (which got as far as set construction and which was going to involve an older Apollo reappearing, with Hatch reprising the role), the pilot episode ended with him on the Cylon home world, at which point in the final fade-out moment he turns to the camera and we see that his eyes are glowing and he's somehow been Cylonized. So I've been guessing Zarek for the incredibly basic reason that someone simply said: "Hey! Let's make it Hatch just for fun!"
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...while holding the information about the Final Five until she gets there seems to indicate that she knows:<p>(1)the character of the FF<p>(2)she will find safety and protection with them regardless of what her enemies want to do to her.<p>That's why she told Roslin that her deception was a waste.
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But in regard to Tom Zarek being The Unknown Cylon -- that does nothing for me. Or really, it does nothing for the *story*. I don't think a cylon Zarek does anything to advance the themes of the show in any significant way; his being a cylon doesn't say anything truly meaningful except: "Hey, isn't it a kicker that the guy who was on the original show is the secret cylon??" And that's lame.
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I was waiting for In-Head Six to show up too.<p>It looks like In-Head Six did not need to come because Elosha was on the case. In-Head Elosha clearly lead Roslin to a turning point which motivated her to save Baltar.<p>So Baltar has been aided by THREE In-Heads so far - In-Head Six, In-Head Baltar, and now In-Head Elosha via Roslin. Baltar is THE MAN!
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June 7, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST
As for my Cylon rant, here's ANOTHER THING that I don't understa
by Big Dumb Ape
In last week's episode...and again in tonight's...we see that Laura is basically willing (for all intents and purposes) to screw over the Cylons and break the deal she originally made in order to get her hands on D'Anna, so she can find out who the Final 5 are. And she's clearly very, very driven about it. As we saw tonight, she flat-out gave Helo the evil eye and told him "If you can't follow my orders, get me someone who will." Ok, check. Got it. When it comes to anything Cylon, Laura's not the trusting type...<p>The other week we also saw Athena get mighty upset when Hera used her crayons to draw a ton of 6's in her coloring book. So sure enough when Hera runs off -- and Athena races after her and comes upon Hera and the Six in the hallway -- what happens next? Athena pulls her gun and kills the Six. BAM! The Six is toast...Adama goes volcano...he chews Athena out...and into the brig she goes. Why? Because Adama isn't trusting of Cylons either and he feels Athena has now totally let him down.<p>So with all that going on, how does that episode end? With this fucking warm and fuzzy moment of Adama suddenly realizing that "families should be together", at which point -- as he turns the Galactic temporarily over to Tighe -- he says "Have Hera brought to Athena. It isn't right to keep them apart. Families should always be together."<p>Aw, isn't that nice? Personally, I think it's really sweet that Adama, as the MILITARY guy who just happens to be in command of ALL THAT'S LEFT OF HUMANITY AFTER ITS BEEN WIPED OUT BY CYLONS thinks that Hera and her Cylon Mom should be together.<p>Which brings me to my point: when I saw running down the hall, it suddenly hit me. Am I the only one who was thinking: why is this kid being allowed to go ANYWHERE? Am I the only one who would have Hera under a microscope 24/7? I mean seriously, what the hell? The FIRST EVER human/cylon baby and you just let her draw with crayons all day long? SHE'S A FREAK OF NATURE. SHE HAS A FUCKING RED GLOWING SPINE. Wouldn't you think the universe's FIRST KNOWN HYBRID MAN AND MACHINE BABY would be locked in a room behind glass, with about 100 scientists holding clipboards studying her EVERY move?<p>And even if you DID decide to let Helo and Athena have the kid back, wouldn't you think there would be cameras all over their quarters so the kid could be constantly monitored and studied? I know, I know, she's just a little kid -- but technically isn't she ALSO one of the wildest and wackiest things to have EVER happened in SCIENTIFIC HISTORY? A man and machine have just had a kid, and yet everyone treats Hera like she's any other kindergarten kid.<p>Seriously, screw putting Athena in the brig -- for being the mutant that she is, why the hell isn't Hera locked up or something?
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D'Anna recognized the Fifth Cylon and apologized to it in "The eye of Jupiter." I will grant you she might recognizeZerak if she saw him, but why would she apologize to him?
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My theory is that the In-Heads, along with Not Leoben, are preparing humanity (by influencing key players such as Kara, Baltar, Rolsin and even Athena) for existence on Earth.<p>In other words, it is likely that the journey to Earth is deliberate preparation for the destination (i.e. developing a certain mindset in humanity with respect to what to do with Earth once they get there).
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Starbuck is sexy
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June 7, 2008, 3:19 a.m. CST
Alright Herc. My response to my initial post and your last one.
by nopix
This episode was great. Very clear and concise story. Extremely moving and most of all fun. Mary McDonnell should get Emmy consideration. That sequence with Baltar was amazing. I still remain ambivalent towards this season but I still love BSG.
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Should NOT be Baltar, because he's the human that fell for a cylon and betrayed the human race. It would be lame if he was a Cylon because it would go against all the drama surrounding him that made him so compelling and flawed in the first place. Same for Roslin, she needs to stay the unlikely human dying leader, to have her come back as a cylon would feel like a cheat. And based on the Caprica plot, the Adama's were around before the creation of the Cylons so it can't be one of them either, also it would kinda ruin it like in a Ridley Scott Blade Runner sort of way when he implied Deckard was a replicant, don't do it!
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... she just apoligized to one of the Final Five.<br><br>That's how I figured out Tigh was one of the Final Five, because who among the humans would she have apologized to for anything?<br><br>It could only have been Tigh, who lost his eye, or actually, had it removed.
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...It's all about building up to the punchline of the series: in the end, the Cylons become human.<p> I've been saying for many weeks now that the series will end on ancient Earth, likely in the time of the Ancient Egyptians. After the final battle with the hardline Cylons (Cavil and his lot...Cavil=Devil), the human and Cylon rebels will become stranded. Baltar's monotheists become the Jews, the old-school Colonial polytheists become the Greeks (revering certain characters as gods...Apollo, Athena, D'Anna [Diana] ), and the Cylons interbreed with the humans until they're indistinguishable...<p> ...Except that certain Cylon impulses will survive, driving mankind to repeat the sequence, as they once more build self-aware machines (our era). The first Hybrid's prediction holds true: All this has happened before, all this will happen again.<p> You're right though...I don't buy that this trusting transition could happen only in the space of a few years. Decades, maybe...
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Romo Lampkin.
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June 7, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST
why isn't this episode (#9) online anywhere yet?
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
it usually never takes this long
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I hear you. I was going crazy tonight scouring usenet. Of course, I could just get cable TV, or scifi can figure out that they won't lose viewers if they stream it at the same time as they air it.
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if you pull any of the hanging threads, the sweater comes undone. <P> for example we blew up the resurrection ship and now no cylon can reproduce. thats right machines that are self aware, able to download data, and build a whole empire of themselves are suddenly obsolete because nobody thought to back up any of the data about how to build another body, much less a resurrection hub. <p>etc etc. i still love the show, but its not what it was the 1st two seasons. when it managed to become one of the greatest sci-fi shows ever produced. <p> the ret-con writing slowly fell apart in season 3 and the corner they put themselves in for this season has been hard to work within. still this season has produced some solid moments. just dont think too hard on the science behind the series or the logic of the writers this season.
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final cy
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Obviously Some seem to, i.e. members of the "Final Five," but I never got the impression that the others age at all, but instead are created from a blueprint that leaves them always at their state at time of creation unless they're destroyed/killed. One of the Athenas last night said, "Now there is no difference," but if they can't AGE, then YEAH, there is STILL quite a difference between human and cylon. Cylons will generally go on living in the same state until either they're killed or their parts wear out. How long will the latter take? Who the frak knows? I still love the show, but it's gotten so convoluted...
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Roslin Rules!<p>Without a doubt, Mary McDonnell deserves an Emmy for this episode.
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your theory is maybe kinda sorta valid if you think all five were "activated" at the same time... me, i've been going on the assumption that the final cylon is still dormant, that way, it still could be anyone. that said, lots of folks seem to think Zarek is the final cylon.
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i've been spouting that theory since the end of season 3... glad to see someone else is as insane as me... fuck that would be so awesome, wouldn't it?
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that they finish shooting the rest of season 4 in July? And that she's done with the character at that point? (But didn't shooting wrap up in March?) <br><br> Or, based on what she says about making no more con appearances, maybe her last con is in July? I mean, the mid season break starts next week, and this is June, not July.
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Was this whole this a misquote, or maybe a deliberate mislead by Ron Moore? Cuz if we're meant to take that quote seriously, it eliminates a LOT of options. I'm still betting on Zak Adama.
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Was this whole "thing" a misquote, is what I meant.<p>Still, Zak Adama.
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Hopefully, it's put some of more tedious plot threads--Baltar's Chirst complex, Laura's inertia--to bed. And it's nice to have D'eanna back--she's got some of the fire the show is missing these days.
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Just for fun and for fact, maybe Herc can dig out the old talkbacks and see when we started to say, "They are all cylons."<P><P>The earliest I can find my own reference to it is in 2005 but I thought I said it when the Mini-Series aired.<P><P>But I would still like to see when everyone started to say it. I hope I was one of the first.<P><P>About 60% down the page, or just search for "they are ALL cylons"<P><P>http://tinyurl.com/3hdfwk
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Well, that was the biggest miss between expectation and reality in the space battle department for a while. The takedown of the Resurrection Ship seemed to have more dramatic execution than this.
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None of the other choices are dramatic enough. Zarek? Only dramatic to us old-school BSG fans. Dualla (sic)? Why? No impact. Gaeta? No. From a story standpoint, it is rather poetic that Adama would be a Final Five considering what we saw of him in *Razor*. Making Baltar a Cylon is too obvious and it would cheat him out of his character arc just as how Ridley Scott frakked up by thinking Deckard was a Replicant or George Lucas declaring all of the Star Wars films to be about Anakin Skywalker and that he was the greatest Jedi ever when in truth, it was Luke that was the greatest. Starbuck is some type of "starchild" that the people of Earth sent/created to be raised in the Colonies and to lead them "home". That's why Leoben knows she is special. So perhaps Earth is filled with mystical humans who are light years more advanced than both the Colonial Humans or the Cylons. Maybe an Earth Human is actually the Cylon God. But RDM needs to answer some other things in the series... Such as the Cylon comments about the Lords of Kobol. What were they? Sharon said that Kobol Athena wasn't a god but something else. A non-human alien? This needs to be explained because RDM is so anti-alien and it seems that the BSG universe does not have any non-human/cylon advanced life forms. And we still need to see who the Cylon God is...hopefully Dirk Benedict has dropped his angst over the show and has agreed to RDM's suggestion. Of course, wishing for that is like holding out for Paul McGann to return to *Doctor Who*. Actually, that example is in reverse since in that case, that particular actor [McGann] wishes to and the bottleneck is the current-and-soon-2-b-exiting producer [RTD].
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<p>The Hub episode was riddled with editorial problems as the director was a BSG newbie and had very little concept of the show's lore or how it works, hence the scenes of emptiness inside what should have been a teemingly active important military target, and other meandering, dialogue heavy wanderings.</p> <p> Since vital coverage of some scenes was never shot, the editors had to work and re work and re work the show so it made some sense. Then the VFX team had to come up with all of the attack shots--based on previous and rapidly obsolete edits--to shoehorn them into what remained.</p> <p>Still, the Hub received a righteous ass-whooping.</p>
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I knew there was disruption to the show with the strike but I had no idea it was that extensive. The makers certainly can't be blamed for things in productiom outside their control. Oh well, still wished for some more space battles in this episode but it can't be helped.
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where did that 'm' come from ...
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...so you're excused as it could logically be considered a type stroke error. If you'd typed a "Z", I might have issues with you. ;-)
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For some reason, basic grammar spelling and comprehension go out the window when I post here. <p> As for the Hub, why would they put the FTL drive in such a vulnerable place? Oh never mind ...
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I've already mentioned this a few times on talkbacks, but D'Anna has a conversation with Cottle on New Caprica where she mocks him/takes him to task on a couple of points after he emerges from a tent where he has been working on both humans and cylons. And he has a line, something like "Human blood and Cylon blood all look the same to me" (not a direct quote). I believe this was actually in the episode leading up to finding the Eye of Jupiter, so her run in with Cottle, while seemingly innocuous, would set up her apology line pretty well. Cottle has also dropped several sage-like comments about life and death throughout the show, and he is enough in the background but always present that he isn't terribly obvious. Add to that the fact that while almost every other character people propose as the fifth cylon has been suspected of being a cylon at some point, Cottle never has been suspected by ANYONE. My money is on Cottle...either that, or he is somehow the Cylon God.
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Your theory that the final five all share the letter T in their names is an interesting one--but based on your own premise you left out someone: Kara Thrace.
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is a cat a caggit?
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Good thinking, fiester. I think Thrace is ultimately a ringer, though. Although I really like the idea of an "In-head" Starbuck that everyone is seeing. It would make so much sense with all these spectres that keep popping up for everyone. I really hope they drop the fifth bomb next week, or the wait for 2009 will be excruciating.
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It's been around for a while: <p> Saul Tigh <p> Galen Tyrol <p> Tory Foster <p> Samuel T Anders <p> Interesting that Anders is just about the only character with a middle initial. A lot of characters don't even have their actual names mentioned on their show. (Come on down Alex "Crashdown" Quartararo).
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The most simple explanation (though not necessarily the correct one) is that D'anna is apologising to Anders as she was about to shoot him until Caprica Six brained her with a rock.
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June 7, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST
OOh, just thought of evidence contrary to an in head Starbuck
by Playkins
Didn't Starbuck's ship have DRADIS contact when she came back? Wouldn't that rule out a manifestation, if her ship's computer is working?<P> Not to mention, they've done nothing with the Starbuck abduction from S2. Of course, that means very little with this show.
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The most simple explanation (though not necessarily the correct one) is that D'anna is apologising (in the vision of the Opera House and the glowing figures of the Final Five) to Anders as she was about to shoot him until Caprica Six brained her with a rock.
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Baltar's place is life seem to just frack things up as much as possible. Nothing good can come from him preaching to the Cylon tin cans. What has happened before will happen again. Anyone else notice the Orion constellation in the background behind Adama's ship? They can't be that far from Earth if we're able to spot recognizable star patterns.
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There was a comic book that came out awhile back that detailed Zarek as a child. I would think that would rule him out (IF the comics are considered cannon.) Also Zak seems unlikely because he is someone's son. Unless your implying that he's some sort of hybrid OR was planted in Adama's life. In which case we now have a cylon who can grow up.
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June 7, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST
"they've done nothing with the Starbuck abduction from S2"
by Voice O. Reason
What about Starbuck's fake daughter from the beginning of S3?
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... It's like that game Gyruss. I believe we're one warp away from Earth. We are close ...
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...also could have been to Tigh....who lost his eye during the occupation. Awesome episode and a good series so far, it's slow building and developing the characters and relationships still rather than throwing that to the side in favour of the "search for Earth". Characters and relationships have always been what BSG has been about and i'm glad it's saying true to that. I think there is a need for more significant advances and reveals but thats due to the fact we know how few episodes are left. Once the season is over I believe it'll be appreciated more fully.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=RJBcJD7HakE <p> Tigh has to be sick of people hitting him in the head all the time, it's been happening since the mini. I hope he lays out some major smackdown with that Cylon super strength he should have* (*if life is fair).
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The man needs more respect. <p> Or there'll be trouble. <p> Big trouble even.
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isn't he on the baseship? guess they held off on d'anna running into him just yet.<p>i think she'll probably play it cool and act like he isn't a cylon.
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i wonder why lee punches saul.
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is that a shot of SAUL IN AN AIRLOCK? with chief and anders watching on? 00:13 into the YouTube link a few posts back. does he off himself? ahhhhhhhh
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what's a fox?
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It looks more like an airlock execution, since Starbuck runs in and stops them from venting the lot of them into space.
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(said as if my concurrence actually has value! :-)<p>Looks like next week is the Found Out Four episode--Tory goes to the basestar, and the rest into an airlock. Starbuck rushes in and says something like "they just gave us Earth!"
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Nice Starbuck theory. Starbuck as a starchild sent from Earth would be a great arc for the character IMHO.<p>If true, it also highlights two things - her prophetic drawings, which could have been sent with her from Earth (or sent to her in "real time") and her role as the best combat pilot in the BSG universe. Her skills (although they haven't been needed much recently) have helped to keep humanity alive until reaching Earth.
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man, don't it stink on ice that we get only one more week of BSG for the forseeable future....?
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Wow. Bill Adama got misty eyed for the first time ever. Who knew ol' stone face had it in his eyeballs.
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Roslin and Baltar Hollering at the Hybrid/ What, oh what will happen to me?/ First comes cancer, then comes survival then comes...JUMP!!!! Baltar and Roslin Hollering at the Hybrid/ Who cares about others what happens to me?/ First a brilliant doctor then humanity's pariah then I'm a newly crowned messiah and...JUMP!!!!
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Those suggesting Lee, Starbuck, Roslyn, etc., as the fifth Cylon are overlooking an important factor--Moore has made it clear that the fifth Cylon isn't in the DaVinci photo (see http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2364/2222600576_a0dc616d6c.jpg if you've not yet seen it). Most of the main cast IS in the photo, ruling out Roslyn, Lee, Baltar, Starbuck, Helo and Adama. That leaves several possibilites: (1) the fifth is one of the recurring characters, making it either Gaeta, Dee, Cottle, Zarek or Lamkin; (2) the fifth is a character who has already died, making it either Billy, Cain, Cally (very unlikely since she had a baby with a Cylon), Ellen, Zac, Elosha or Roslyn's friend with cancer; (3) the fifth is Boxey, who vanished after only a few episoeds and has never been referenced since (which would be stupid, but hilarious); (4) the fifth is one of the various generic pilots, which would be extremely anticlimactic; or (5) the fifth is somoene we haven't yet met, which would be such a cop-out that it would cause riots. Although characters such as Lee, Roslyn, Baltar and Adama all seem like obvious candidates, the DaVinci photo rules them out. As such, I'm positive it'll be someone from the first group: Gaeta, Dee, Cottle, Zarek or Lamkin. God forbid it be Lamkin, after that ridiculous "I see dead cats" episode, "Sin Qua Non." And Gaeta, who's been an obvious choice since the pilot--I used to be convinced it was him, in fact--can be ruled out for the very fact that he IS too obvious. Both Cottle and Zarek would make fine reveals, because both of them steal the show whenever they're on it, and because they're both such unlikable yet likeable guys. But my money is on Dee being the final Cylon, for the simple fact that they've largely hidden her from us this season, as if to make us forget about her. Just like Tigh, Anders and Tory, she's in a position to be close to someone vital to the fleet (Tigh with Adama, Anders with Starbuck, and Tory with Roslyn...admittedly, this pattern doesn't seem to fit Tyrol). In Dee's case, she was married to Lee, and before that was involved with Roslyn's assistant, Billy. And just like Tyrol, Tigh and Tory, she also serves a vital function in the fleet. So while I do think it could turn out to be Cottle or Zarek, my money's on Dee...which I think would be anti-climactic, given her near-complete lack of involvement in this season's storyline. Thoughts?
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..one Toaster at a time. Baltar discusses theology with a centurion. The Centurion doesn't say anything back. It simply stares at him. I think Baltar's lost his mind?? I also think Baltar's morphine induced confession wasn't an original plot point.
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...and not a naked Tai Chi practicing 8 among them? Damn....
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...who thinks it's Dee... http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/05/betting-site-la.html
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June 7, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
"What about Starbuck's fake daughter from the beginning of S3?"
by Playkins
Good point, but it was just a mindfuck.. a cocktease for the audience. Had she actually been Starbuck's daughter, we could have sealed the plotline up.
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I've been watching and enjoying your bsg from the day one. loved every second of it. ok, every second other then black market, ofc. <p> even this 4th season, which in popular belief is the weakest so far. <p> but, having seen the previews for next week, I feel obliged to let you know one thing: <p> if you airlock Saul Tigh, I WILL TRACK YOU DOWN AND FRAK YOU UP so much that it won't even be funny. <p> other then that, keep up the good work. <p> best wishes, <p> RaveX
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No BSG until 2009 truly leaves a most foul stench.
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Fuck'em for cancelling Dresden
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The only thing I can get out of that is the connection to New Caprica. So I think the final cylon is someone who was there during the occupation. Probably Gaeta or Zarek. I believe that Earth will be just like NC. I think they won't find much there just like NC.
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fantastic. Wonder how they will end the mid-season finale?
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The first half of the fourth season ends next week. Just wondering what sort of mid-season cliff hanger they will be throwing out to the fans.
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... I've read the article, but I still think Moore might be fucking with us.<p>That said, most of the names tossed around as the fifth Cylon would be anticlimactic. Dee? Gaeta? Billy, for chrissake? The collective shrug would be ... not very loud, because it's a shrug.
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and balthar preaching to the centurion, hilarious.
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Nice shout out for *Gyruss*... What a great soundtrack that game had. I want a legit copy of that for my PSP without having to use MAME or any other hack.
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Tell us how you really feel why don't you? :-)<p>I do understand your POV. Similar points were made last season by TBers who no longer post here. Like some of them, (for what its worth) I am among those who hold Season One as the best of the series in terms of writing, directing, character development, and F/X. However, the overall saga is sitll distinct in comparison to other shows and this fan, as others do, still wants to know where the saga is going to take my favorite characters.<p>RDM is on record stating that he re-thought the particulars of the last ten episodes during the strike, so let's hope you get what you want when the show returns(that is if the BSG TV movies don't come first).
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It seemed fucking ridiculous that Helo and Sharon could easily land and simply stroll aboard the Hub to get D'Anna with zero Cylons in their way, not even centurions. Also, while there were large effects shots they didn't seem up to the standard we've had before. They were too vague and not involving enough. The Roslin parts I liked, although how mental are they having the scenes with Baltar talking to the centurion then suddenly he's blasted and badly wounded???
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Haven't watched the last two eps since I was at the beach. I'll be caught up for next week's talkback
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when he gets back for abandoning his command and the fleet and dereliction of duty. he needs to go hug his girlfriend? wtf. he should throw himself in the brig. (and then let himself go.) this kind of stuff irritates me most of all. these characters are made schizoid as hell just for the episodes drama. thank god pogo-tune shut up this week. i hope the cylons win.
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You know, I had a strange thought during the scenes where Baltar was talking to the centurion. I started wondering if he was trying to get the centurion models to follow him, he would become their leader and make his final descent into darkness, waging war against the humans and the skinjobs. I thought it would be a cool way to end the show with the skinjobs and humans working together to stop Baltar and the Centurions... <p> Then the Centurion was blown to bits, along with my theory, dammit. <p> Still think it would be cool though...after all Baltar in the original show was a traitor...but in the reboot, he's just weak. He never knowingly or willingly betrays the human race...in the mini series he doesn't know he is selling out the human race and on New Caprica, he has a gun to his head and has no real choice but to follow the Cylons orders. <p> So what follows is my theory for what happens in the final 10 episodes. <p> Baltar sees himself as perfect...he sees himself as god or as a vessel of god and takes it upon himself to "cleanse" the universe of those who don't believe in him. <p> The skinjobs of course could never embrace a human as their god and most of the humans hate him and believe in the Lords of Kobol. <p> So he begins converting Centurions, who unbox their "brothers" i.e. the older models from the original show all of whom resent the skinjobs for controlling them. <p> The fifth Cylon is revealed and the way to Earth is discovered and Baltar plans to create a garden of Eden on Earth, where he and his human followers would exist with the centurions, perfect and free. <p> The battle lines are drawn, the skinjobs and humans are forced to work together to stop Baltar and the Centurions, culminating in a final, glorious battle in orbit above Earth. <p> The humans and skinjobs are on the brink of defeat until desendants of the thirteenth tribe ascend from the planet to help. Baltar and the Centurions are destroyed, the humans and skinjobs are united, and the thirteenth tribe welcome them home - to Earth. <p> As for the rest of it, the in-heads, Hera etc, I don't have a clue. I'm just offering up a theory as to Baltars role. <p> Thoughts?
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of Tyrol not actually being a cylon? He seems to be the only character who's in the background more, and who hasn't really changed that much. Now, why he heard the music, I can't say. However, this could help all you peeps who think it's Cally. She could come back, and the baby is a hybrid. I don't know. Also, last night's ep may have given more evidence to Adama being the 5th. When he says, "It's about time" to Roslin, maybe there's more to that than we think. It could also tie into Razor, and the fact that he and Saul have known each other for so long. When he said, "I know the way to Earth." Maybe he actually did and told Roslin otherwise to gain her trust? Keeping in with the Last Supper photo, it really only leaves a few people left. So I'm gonna stick with Gaeta. BUT Doc C is slowly growing on me. Someone convince me!
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The good doctor on Galactica. How better to perfect the Cylons as humans than to work on them every day? All signs are pointing to him being the guy.
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The creators said the final Cylon isn't in the "Last Supper" pic. And it makes a kinda sense when you think of it.
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no, tyrol isn't the only one of the reveled 4 that has a strong back story. <p> for more info, watch deleted scenes from scattered.
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Battlestar is BACK! Looking much forward to the mid-season finale. Still needing my RDM podcast. What up, SciFi?
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If Romo Lampkin shows up next week, every scene that he appears in should have forced English subtitles. I can't understand a word the guy's saying.
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As a fan of the show, i'd like to ask you..Why would you waste an hour of your life if you don't like the show...Morbid curiousity? If you don't like the series, you can spend your free time doing other things.. like maybe get a life.
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I like the Lampkin character. That whole cane in the courtroom bit was brilliant even if you could see it coming from a parsec away.
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This is the only good thing on that fuckin channel. Everything else is either some cheesy space opera that only 5 people are into or some crappy movie like "Mansquito" or "Atomic Tornado." I won't even mention how they fucked up Flash Gordon. After Battlestar is gone, the only thing i'm watching on that channel are the repeats.
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<P>This is the longest bloody case of terminal cancer I've seen in my life and that includes actual family members! If I have to watch Laura Roslin on her deathbed one more time I will choke to death on my own bile. The guy who invented fast forward saved my life.</P> <P>Laura Roslin, the excruciating pain of her. I loathe what the writers have done to this character. She appears to be the moral center of the show, right, but has no actual morals. And the writers try have it both ways. They want the drama of a moral conflict without the consequences. Thus the show never materially changes and the President has no character arc. She stole the election! Wait, she got caught. That makes it okay! She killed Baltar! Wait, no she didn't! If they'd only let her take a frakking stand!</P> <P>As far as I can tell this ep was delivered by FedEx because not even the post office could have mailed it in. It consisted solely of plot points. Baltar gets hit with shrapnel specifically so there'd be an excuse for the President to drug him, specifically so he would tell her about the access codes, specifically so she would attempt to kill him. But we can't have Roslin actually perform an action that would have moral consequences -- that would make us think less of her moral leadership -- so she backs out of it and the writers let Baltar live. Not that he was ever in any danger. How exactly are the characters driving anything anymore? The plots have been more heavy-handed than Mike Tyson in a bowling alley.</P> <P>I watched the other 3 seasons so I'm watching this one too. So far the best thing I've gotten out of S4 is insight on what made the other seasons better.</P>
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Lampkin is a good choice for the fifth Cylon. He has a contempt for humanity, he saved Baltar from execution, and he manipulated Lee into the presidency when i doubt he cares at all about the latter two events occurring.
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June 8, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST
what if it's a character we haven't really seen, but we know the
by porkinz the x-wing instructor
Like... ZACK Adama????? Gramps Adama???? or maybe.... Admiral Cain??
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It's Kara's father, and she's a hybrid.
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I hope next week is good also. As long as they mix depressing crap in with action and civil car stuff I will be content. To rise out of the depressing shit they should have found Earth by now. Of course that would be depressing also with us being what we are. The fleet would probably jumpship into the sun.
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The final cylon is not Kara's father because he has already been revealed; her father is Saul. You are correct though as far as she being a hybrid.
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If you watch that scene again, D'Anna also smirks when she looks at one of the final five. I always assumed the smirk was directed at Tigh and the apology was to whoever hasn't been revealed yet (and right now I'm calling Felix Gaeta).
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The music in Gyruss made that game. It was the perfect use of classical music to match the gameplay. I even bought an old arcade console which had it as one of the game selections. Glad someone else remembers it.
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when did they reveal Saul as Kara's father?
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Would explain why Roslin "missed" her when she shot her. Bullet went right through. We've seen In-heads interact before: tickle Gaius, Lift him, etc.
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For anyone that is dissing battlestar. You guys all have a screw loose this show is the best and has some of the best characters and music in the television. So for you guys that dont like the show you can go watch Denise Richards cry about her life...
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Good catch on that. That's pretty good evidence to support that theory.
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June 8, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST
Baltar's InHead Six manifested on Galactica, all could see her
by chromedome
...talk to her, etc. <p>There seem to be a lot of experts who know everything there is to know about the InHeads, what they can and cannot do. I find them the most mysterious element of the show, with their nature and purpose yet to be explained.<p> Starbuck as an InHead that everyone can see is an interesting theory, and nothing we have seen about the InHeads so far would prevent it from being true. It may or may not be the case--not sure I care either way.<p>There IS something different about Starbuck (and her Viper) after her return from the Maelstrom event. That much is obvious: she could 'sense' the path to Earth, and was in pain with each jump in the wrong direction. So she IS different, somehow. Maybe in the same way InHeads work, maybe something else entirely.
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June 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST
InHead Question: Two InHeads ever in the same place, same time?
by chromedome
Does anyone remember a time when two different InHeads appeared in the same place at the same time? I can't, but cannot be sure.<p>It could be, then, that ALL the InHeads are One Entity, appearing at will whenever, wherever, and in whatever form suits the purpose. And then, the NotLeoben who helped Starbuck in Maelstrom might share something in common, or be the same entity.<p>Or they may be, as InHead Six is often claiming, each an "Angel of God".<p>Either way, still a cool mystery.
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Never heard that--if they said that, I sure missed it. checkyourhead, are you effin with us, or can you cite the episode/event where that was revealed?
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I'm thinking ... I don't think so. In-Head Baltar is so rare (and still the best character on the show) I can't remember a time he shows up and In-Head Six is around. In-Head Leoben is only in Maelstrom. So I'm going to guess "no". It's feasible that In-Head Characters are actually the same character ...<p> The Dirklon God!
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...the dumbest thing in your whole life<p>uttering the 'dirklon' phrase (I threw up in mouth a little bit)<p>(hoping you picked up on the Sin City reference above).<p>I sure HOPE they resolve the InHead mysteries by the end of this.... Don't leave us hangin, RDM!
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With only 11 episodes left, I think TPTB will just leave it out there for people to interpret as they will ... another set of visions to throw on the pile.<p> What will really piss me off is if we don't find out how the Pythia got the directions to Earth. And I don't want to hear any "all this has happened before" crap.
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The writers have really started shitting on the 8s, haven't they?
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If they reveal a God (bite your tongue, chrth, I know who you are about to say! :) then they can go with the Angel of God nature of the InHeads without violating anything, and just confirming what InHead Six keeps saying. But a little more information on them would still be welcome.
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I'm guessing that they cloned her from the eggs that she left behind in S2 and downloaded her memories into the new body. So she is human...but not the "real" Kara. <p> I definitely think that the pilot synopsis for Caprica is going to pave the way for a lot of what is to come...downloading conciousness, etc. And I wouldn't be surprised if Adama is the 5th cylon, (if he was killed as a boy and his dad downloaded him into a new body.) Lee as cylon...not gonna happen unless Adama knows about it. Which would be a horrible retcon.
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I took it as a ping on the single eight who went with Cavill. They better not be dissin the entire eight production line.....
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...like Shelly Godfrey (BTW great theory fellas), then her In-Head is probably being beamed in from Earth, which could explain why she is so certain of Earth's location and distance from Galactica.<p>But this poses another problem. If In-Heads can manifest into the physical world like Shelly Godfrey (Baltar's In-Head), there could be hordes of them in the fleet. Too bad this is the final season because that alone would provide enough material for a whole next season of BSG (or at least a BSG TV movie).
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I forgot what happened to her in that episode. Did she just "vanish" from the fleet?
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I'm not getting the hate for another excellent BSG episode. I thought Baltar's interaction with the Centurion was brilliant and hilarious. D'Anna's still a cool character and Ms. Lawless is still smokin' hot. Helo's interaction with the 8 in both the 'I have her memories' scene and the 'betrayal' scene was very well played. Roslin and Adama's reunion was touching. Someone's complaining because Roslin's 'supposed to be the moral center' and does immoral things. Who the frak ever said she was the 'moral center' of the show? Since the beginning, Roslin has done questionable acts which she thinks are for the greater good. She's just as flawed (if not more) than any other character on the show and at no time are we ever told that she's supposed to be held to a different standard. And I thought the confession scene between Baltar and Roslin, and the way it was written, was excellent. I still say that Jane Espenson gets Baltar like no other Battlestar writer.
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It was not.....but he was; hence making my theory and his reveal as a not possible negative value as far as Kara being the 5th. I just love the idea that Saul may have knocked up military Mom back in the day and that he might be the father she never knew, except of course for those pesky piano recordings (which could very easily be explained away). And that, as one of the final five, creating the "starchild" or whatever you goobers are calling her, was one of the functions of this fundamentally different cylon. Happened before.......happened again..... Given their background dynamic and shaky relationship from mini-series on that is certainly how I would write it. P.S. This show is brilliant and I love it; but this season feels crammed (not that it's bad) just crammed. I'm guessing that many many many questions will not be addressed and/or answered. But it will be very fun to watch, speculate and be entertained by till the last scene. So at least have fun and just go with it because this type of genius shit usually only happens on HBO........and very rarely at that.
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June 9, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST
Yes, Shelly both appeared and vanished, with no explanation
by chromedome
and they were especially careful to point out that there was no record of her leaving the Galactica--she appeared just as InHead left, and vanished just as InHead re-appeared.<p>At the time, it seemed surprising and unlikely that she could become "physical' like that, but we have since seen InHead Six actually lift Baltar with others watching.<p>Even if the theory is wrong, it is fun to speculate on new aspects of Starbuck's nature...<p>And, HUBIE, likin the Projection Direct From Earth theory! Maybe the Watchtower Activation Music In The Ship was projected, too.... :-)
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Lots of characters would claim it from time to time. Much as it pains me, it seems like the moral center of the show is Helo. Guess I cannot call for his Keel Hauling any longer.
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3. The Brazilian guy with Penny is really future Jack, or other dimension Jack. 2. The "Omar getting shot" footage is fake. 1. Starbuck is in everyone's head.
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I'm sorry, but having loved season 1 unduly, I have loved each successive season less until I almost turned this episode off before it ended. This series is dragging on way too long and heading into XFiles areas of incoherence. Impossible...to...stay...interested...
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Ok, here goes sumptin': I think that Gaeta is the final cylon and I don't think its going to be revealed next week. I think they're going to leave us hanging on that one. I agree with the cheap shot thing...the preview of D'Anna telling Roslin that she was the final cylon was a nasty little trick. The only people who were going to care are those already invested in the show. Why mess with us that way? And now, to go big, I think when the Galactica reaches Earth, it will be far in the past and the thirteenth tribe will either be so far regressed (or extinct) and the cylons and humans settle the planet and we're all human and cylon thousands of years later. Chariots of the gods? That was the thirteenth tribe. And Gaeta...well, that one is easy. All his descendents are the people you know who like REALLY bad folk music.
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...like for general principle and stuff.
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Yes sir, I'm inclined to agree that Helo tends to be the one immovable moral center of the show. (Lee/Apollo is a close second.)
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Are you a joke account? Because I read stuff like:<P>"Starbuck's Viper is the final Cylon"<P>"Tigh's gonna die...Or I hope so. He's been pretty useless this year."<P>and I have to wonder if you're for real. Your penchant for silly one-liner posts is truly...something.
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Anyone who doesn't think this episode was one of the worst hasn't watched this show. I read that this was one to suffer from the strike, but they had 9 months to do back and do reshoots and fix it. Certainly the effects took that long. As far as plot points this episode has most of the elements that would have made it fantastic. Instead, everyone here is acting like "they know it's over." What are the stakes? It's like they are living through a paint by numbers experience. That is not the BSG I know and love. This has continued to happen, in a way, since the middle of the 3rd Season. The results of New Caprica could have been the cylon civil war - with many more humans on board cylon base stars. more besides Baltar. That would have been interesting. Even if we didn't know about these other humans until Baltar was returned. In fact, that could STILL happen (I know it won't.) The Baltar scene where he is screaming at the hybrid is stupid enough to make me angry. Then he tries to "talk" to the centurion? I mean, there were no transitions, and no one else is reacting this way - what does Baltar know that no one else knows? no one ever really asked him even tho he was interrogated. In a sense, they never gave him a chance to "hang himself" with information or mis-information. I'm sorry if this came out all in one paragraph, I guess I dont' know how to make paragraphs here.
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"Anyone who doesn't think this episode was one of the worst." Like that statement makes any sense. In fact, I'd say the opposite. So no transitions? Do you not remember all the trippy episodes with Baltar on the Basestar, with the crossfades and strange sense of time? And your complaint is that BSG didn't follow your idea which makes little to no sense and would have taken focus away from the main characters, that makes it bad? Plus the fact that Baltar's behavior last night revisited some of his more panicky, cocky personality in addition to his 'I've been saved' mentality. So the argument that the past of the show has been forgotten makes no sense either. Not to mention the fact that if BSG season 4 was like BSG season 1, that would be a problem because the show and the characters would not have progressed and changed. I mean, Cylons are destroying Cylons. The entire ability of Cylons to resurrect has been destroyed. D'Anna is the only 3 left. You have 5 Cylons hidden in the fleet who don't know what they really are, and one may not know he/she is a Cylon. How are the stakes not high? The show has always been about representing the major battles and conflicts in terms of highly individual, personal and internal struggles. This hasn't changed. So why are people complaining? I still think people expect this show to be all about space battles. Weren't the action sequences in 'the Hub' enough?
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why is everyone so down on it? I thought it was cruel and hilarious... the music was tongue in cheek, it was an awesome moment. why the hate? 3 has always been tricky like that,
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So who's at fault if I can't bring myself to care anymore? Also, the dialog went down the toilet this season.
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Maybe Xena/3 is pulling a double-fake-out on the President.
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Much talk has been made about Baltar being similar to Jesus this season. I was fully expecting him to die this season and thought it was going to happen this past episode. <p> Did anyone notice which side of the body his wound was on? I kept telling myself "he is dead", but no, he lives. Did anyone else think this?
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Look, the direction - I mean the work of the person they hired as "DIRECTOR" was awful. The plot elements were fine. Even the script was probably good. Look at what we're talking about - I've actually greatly enjoyed Baltar's character development this season. If this was an episode that was supposed to reveal that he's not changed, that he's all the things we've seen in him and seen him do, it didn't deliver. He almost seemed like he had no purpose in the scenes he was in. Nothing about his previous experience (soft dissolves included) is informing him this time. And the explosion which destroyed the centurion seemed to have no effect to any other part of the ship. Roslyn hauled him off to that table. Why couldn't Batlar lay dying next to the hybrid? Something more? And Baltar's confession? This is the ESSENTIAL QUESTION of the series. And it had no dramtic impact whatsoever. I honestly don't believe that the question of whether or not Roslyn's visions are essential, can EVER be more important than the various permutations of the question of Baltar's guilt. On one hand, the trial exposed the entire fleet to the dialectic of his guilt, but here we have a scene that could have transformed the guilt (he talks about it) but the scene - between two highly skilled actors - was poorly executed. In deference to the ambitions of this season's arc, if the original shoots simply did not deliver, they should have at least reshot these scenes with another director.
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<p>Yeah, rassmguy, I always thought Dualla was a prime suspect. But that was back in the old days, when Adama and Roslin were against each other. There was something about the way Dualla talked Adama into reconciling the fleet so they could get on and discover earth, that came across as very forced. And then she married Lee to move up the chain (like the President's assistant, Tigh as XO, Tyrol being put in charge of engineering, and Ander's getting cozy to Starbuck). Back that's back when I use to read into stuff like that. As soon as RDM said he was winging it with the final five (and poorly at that), I stopped reading into anything. I think it could end up being a star from the original show or it'll be the hybrid or something. I wouldn't be surprised by a Billy either. Actually, for the fifth, I'd like to see it be a 70s style Cylon who rises up to lead the neo-toasters against the skin jobs and the humans. But that's only because I detest every character on the show. In any case, I give it a 90% chance that I won't care upon finding out.</p> <p>Also, why can the Cylons no longer resurrect? Am I really suppose to believe that they don't have a RAID backup for that hub? Especially after a resurrection ship was destroyed back in the Cain days. Certainly they have the ability to build more quite quickly, even to the point of retrofitting their existing basestars with the capability. This ranks up there with limiting themselves to twelve models instead of merely copying existing people to infiltrate their positions. But of course, Cylons aren't really robots anymore, they're human. Which is suppose to explain their stupidity??? I miss the Cylons from season 1 who actually use to frighten me a little. I also miss when the show was driven by events, rather than visions. Hippies and schizophrenics don't hallucinate nearly as often as these characters.</p>
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Upon more relfection it is (like Kirk dying by falling off a mountain) a very stupid plot device to have Baltar confess just because he is dying. Wouldn't it have been more powerful if, now stuck on a basestar which is hiccuping "jumps" that Baltar, in a state of euphoric whimsy confesses to Rosyln because he thinks SHE is dying and won't make it back after they destroy the hub? Wouldn't that have made the mopey meeting with Adam also have more impact? Again, this show has all the pieces, they're not just even in the right order to create chaos.
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Looking at this from a strictly demographic viewpoint, I believe that Dee is the most likely candidate. She's a woman and she's black. Since only four of the known 11 are female and only one is black, Dee would balance out any quota that the producers think they need.
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But she does register as a turbo-hottie.
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You're a low standard.
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And what an ending!! God I love this show. <P> "About time"
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Ok, she doesn't get a chance to show it much on the show, being in military garb and dirty, but the actress who plays Dee is drop dead gorgeous. So open your eyes, gotham_night. <p>EBF, it looks like you simply disagree with using Baltar's confession as a way to test Roslin. "no dramtic impact"?!! So seeing Roslin physically shaken by Baltar's confession and shaking as she tries to let Baltar and then dramatically changes her course isn't enough drama for you? Sorry, I thought that was an excellent scene. In many ways Baltar was always shown as a test for Roslin, to highlight the challenges for her character. That scene just fit the pattern that the show established a long time ago.
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Dee is a hottie. More importantly the test Baltar and Roslyn are for each other. But I think that she always suspected something was truly evil about Baltar. Now she has the truth. If it was me I'd be angrier at myself that I didn't follow my instinct more closely. So I didn't like her reaction bedcause that kind of resignation is not what I expected of her. She finally showed her vulnerability. Maybe I was unprepared for that. I just didn't see any previous attempt to wear her down on that issue in real life. And I guess I didn't fully buy into the vision that appeared during the jumps. Maybe that was a cylon too. why is she only seeing visions during the jumps on the base star?
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We're talking about a show where four of the characters suddenly realized they were Cylons when they heard a Bob Dylan tune. Sorry, but "stupid" is now kinda relative on this show. I don't have an opinion on the Starbuck issue, but her being an in-head seen by everyone makes about as much sense as any other theory at this point. (And, as it has already been pointed out, there was a Six who appeared and interacted among the fleet, but who simply disappeared by the end of that episode.)
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by a little birdy today that the final cylon is indeed Dualla. I pressed her for more information but no luck.. she just flew away and left me wanting more.
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I just thought someone should ask that pertinent question.
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Can't remember her name, Lee's ex-o on Pegasus. Or Cain. Very intriguing characters. If not, then Hotdog. Why the heck not? (cue the clown music!).
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I think Six says to the human at the outpost "Are you alive?" Could be an important question if they all turn out to be cylons. I really don't think they will.
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...Kevin Sorbo. She was apologizing for destroying that damn village.
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...A vampire named Spike. He's back to steal Starbuck's fucking Shanshu.
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...Dennis DeYoung, and he's Cylon away...he's set an open course for the virgin sea.
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...those rascal Scooter thingies in Wal-Mart. There gonna start exterminating fat people-pretending-to-be-disabled-because-they're-too-lazy-to-go-for-a-walk-around-the-block-twice-a-week as soon as store greeter Chuck Baltar gives them the store access codes.
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...a fucking cyborg hairdresser, who actually had the audacity to ask me to invest in his business. You know what he wanted to call it? Huh? Huh? Yeah, that's right. The Hair Cylon. Stupid microwave oven. I turned his ass down and didn't think twice. Fucking Hair Cylon.
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...one again, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dennis DeYoung! "Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto." GET IT?! CYLONS ARE ROBOTS!
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...Cylon Dionne. (slaps knee) Aw man, I feel like airlockin' my own skinjob ass after that one.
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...a giant ass-raping Gobot with a jackhammer where his dick should be. And he slams it up the ass of everybody. Adama? Fucked up the ass. Starbuck? Taking it in the pooper. Centurions? Raiders? If he can find something that looks like an ass, the sumbitch is gettin' fucked. Romo's dead cat? You name it.
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...Ann B. Davis. But at first they don't know she a Cylon. Then she show up one day acting like a drill sargeant, makin' everybody make their beds and clean and shit. So they go to a diner and there's another Ann B. Davis, working as a waitress. So they give her a tip and when she bends over to pick it up, the Gobot with the jackhammer dick fucks her and her black starts to glow, so they airlock the bitch.
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I only got half through the posts so apoligies if I'm repeating what's already been said. <p> That was awful. <p> This show has been averaging ONE good episode PER SEASON lately and that's not good. <p> Only good thing I can say at this point is that it would appear Ron Moore has well and truly acheived his stated goal of turning this show into "HILL ST BLUES IN SPACE" - because that's what this season reminds me of the most - Hill St Blues. <p> A lot of fans, diehard and otherwise, are well beyond the point of caring anymore. This show has become Star Trek. You know it's gonna suck but you'll watch it anyway because you HOPE it will be good, even though you knwo it will be bad - at least that's what Star Trek WAS like, when there still was a show and a certain Ron was writing for that show too, from memory?
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My hate is generated from whiny shitballs asking "why the hate" all the fucking time.
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Billy IS the final cylon.just kidding, that would be super fucking retarded. I still love this show, by the way.
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Dee is hot, Boomer is superhot, Number 6 can be hot sometimes, Mary McDonnell is hot for her age bracket, Starbuck is mildly hot. There, I think I covered the principals. Seelix is hot, too.
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on Reaper this year than on BSG.
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When she's all bleached and red-dressed. She looks unnatural for the environment (plus the dress isn't very flattering), although I suppose that's part of the point. When she looks 'normal', though, she's majorly hot.
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wearing a wig a bunch this season. I think the Natalie 6 is the "natural" hair six. Jail Six and In-Head are wigs (I'm pretty sure)
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I heard the bleach was destroying her hair, and they were going to get her to appear more natural (the chick from Pegasus, Natalie). I'm guessing they couldn't get rid of the bleached six though.
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Whether Starbuck is really the Starbuck of old that we know and love (well, some of us) is a significant part of the suspense this season IMHO, adding a Hitchcock kind of undercurrent. Everything she does and says and everyone she influences is colored by the Starbuck question.<p>If you are a fan of suspense and understand it, this plot element has increased the level mystery, particularly when you consider technological possibilities.<p>BTW the French film Olivier, Olivier (1992) is a great example of the concept where someone returns after disappearing, but confronts doubts about his identity.
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They seem to be be sidelining the other cylons in favor of the Cavils, Boomers, and Sixes. What about the Twos, Fours, and Fives? They were around but kind of just disappeared. Is it bugetary reasons (they want to save money by not paying them?) They just don't like those actors that much? Do they have something else going on with them? Or is it something else?
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Yes.
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And notice how after 30 (?) years he still looks and sounds like he did on Soap. Makes a case for him being the final Cylon. ANYWAY, it doesn't matter who the final one will be because it will not please everyone, and it won't be a shock. But I think the only remotely interesting characters, to me, would be Cain or Ellen.
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I must admit that I've hemmed and hawed somewhat with respect to Cain as the Final Cylon. However, based on the Final Four, IMHO Cain would be a logical possibility.
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..on the giant screen of the Arclight Dome in Hollywood. Pretty mindblowing. There are no cliffhangers here, you will see everything by the end of the episode. Everyone raised their right hand and promised not to spoile, and I won't, but there were times I had tears in my eyes. Olmos is fantastic here, and to see this projected in HD on a giant screen...it could have been a BG movie for real. The ship looked like a ocean liner in front of me.
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