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“Lost” showrunner Carlton Cuse confirmed recently that Claire’s son Aaron is aging normally -- and that something like three years has transpired since the 100 days Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun spent on Dharma Island. Three years. ABC says:
The face-off between the survivors and the freighter people continues, and the Oceanic Six find themselves closer to rescue. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Ken Leung as Miles Straume, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte Lewis, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, L. Scott Caldwell as Rose, Malcolm David Kelley as Walt, Nestor Carbonell as Richard Alpert, John Terry as Christian Shephard, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Kevin Durand as Keamy, Francois Chau as Dr. Marvin Candle, Anthony Azizi as Omar, Alex Petrovitch as Henrik and Starletta DuPois as Michael's mom.
Is Ben in the casket? Will Sayid put the band back together for its inevitable comeback tour? Does a problem with little Aaron motivate Kate to disregard her parole conditions and break out the tambourine? By the end of tonight’s two hours will we finally see what the three-years-later Locke looks like? A Jacob-y beard and long grey hair? The scar framing his eye faded to nothing, but perhaps enhanced by facepaint? An extra hundred pounds, Lee Adama-style? (Ever since “Alias” did it at the end of its second season, this business of TV shows leaping a year or more into the future has gotten right popular. Not only “Battlestar Galactica,” but also outright shitty shows like “One Tree Hill” and “Desperate Housewives” have adopted the strategy. Even “Veronica Mars” was going to make a five-year run at it before Les Moonves decided he thought “Life Is Wild” a better use of a budget. I digress.) Even if his head looks less like Marlon Brando’s, is Locke now locked into the Kurtz figure from “Heart of Darkness”? And if Jack Shephard emerges as the Marlow/Willard character, trying to find Locke in that tropical jungle, what role does James Ford fill? Tonight we learn more about Ben Linus, and more about Charles Widmore. Greg Grunberg, the pilot in the pilot, returns for what is rumored to be tonight’s only flashback. Michael, Jin and Desmond will deal with the freighter bomb. Not with a lot of success, one assumes. Miles, who seems to know a secret about Charlotte, will tell Daniel he wants to stay on the island. Sawyer will make it onto Lapidus’ helicopter with Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid. But a heroic sacrifice will need to be made … Variety has clips from the finale here. Emmy People!! Don’t forget Michael Emerson, Ken Leung and Jeremy Davies when you’re filling out that nomination ballot!! 9 p.m. Thursday. ABC.

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  • May 29, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Hey Folks!

    by edshrinker

    Here we GO!

  • May 29, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    FIrst and 2nd??

    by edshrinker

  • May 29, 2008, 12:30 a.m. CST

    C'mon

    by edshrinker

    For 8 months?? <p> Hell <p> Look what I just did.<p> Crap

  • May 29, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Are you telling me

    by edshrinker

    No one sees this up, or this TB has become too spoilery we lost the best of the best here? Shame.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Great...A Locke Line up for 8 months

    by edshrinker

    Smug...and probably misguided. Like his "sure of this more than anything in my life" decision to NOT push the button. <p> Coulda done better for a line up until January.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    by Nairb The Movie

    5th though! BEAT THAT! LOST SUCKS! I LOVE IT! ITS MY FAVORITE SHOW. ITS BEST LIKE PRISIONER.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Team Jack

    by BrightEyes

    This will be amazing . that is all.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Hey Bright Eyes

    by edshrinker

    Nice to see you back! <p> Stick around my friend

  • May 29, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Nairb

    by edshrinker

    Back on the Hurley Meds, Dude.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Define SPOILER

    by Napoleon Park

    Ausiello at the TV Guide Daily Scoop newsletter says thatMp<1.) - THREE original cast members will do something,<p> 2.) - that that one thing that one guy did will be totally explained and thatMp> 3.) - Michael Emerson will NOT win best actor Emmy... because he is up in the Best Supporting Actor catagory.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    the last 3 or 4 headlines

    by Napoleon Park

    were changed the next day, Ed, so we may not have that Locke quote up for long.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Define SPOILER

    by Napoleon Park

    Ausiello at the TV Guide Daily Scoop newsletter says that<p>p 3.) - Michael Emerson will NOT win best actor Emmy... because he is up in the Best Supporting Actor catagory.<p>Interesting, a talkback that automatically repels spoilers - now that IS a technological break through.<p>Anyway, what that said was:<p>1.) three original cast members do something, and 2.) that thing that one guy did that one time will be totally explained.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST

    3.) "What" is used in the dialogue

    by edshrinker

    Very true NP. I want to see Locke up there almost as bad as I wanted to see my ugly self up top. But I couldn't resist. Never had a 1st post here. Just wish it wasn't this one. You think they can mix up post order with the link "Quote"?<p> It was funny..I went to click C2C and hit AICN on accident - and saw the new post up.<p> Once the Ep ends...we definitely need a new poll in Room 23...what line would you like to see up for the next 8 months? <p> From the clips...I like Kate's "We get to leave the Island?" or Jack's "Do NOT go back to the Island" or with it's simplicity..."Goodbye John"

  • May 29, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Wonder how long it'll take this TB to hit 10,000?

    by br1947

    Let's get it started!

  • May 29, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Not reading.

    by gotilk

    Just saying hi.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Br

    by edshrinker

    Friday? <p> j/k

  • May 29, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    GOTILK!

    by edshrinker

    GET BACK TO YOUR FARSCAPE, BOY!<p> You and those horrible eyes, go back to your TV like a Rat.<p> ;>}

  • May 29, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Well, the last LOST finale TB just about killed AICN

    by br1947

    When it finally stopped taking posts, it had to be a couple of megs worth of just pure text.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Good post NP

    by edshrinker

    I wish they would have reconsidered Emerson, though. If he isn't a "Lead" in Lost now, who the hell is? He has as many scenes as Jack...if not more this season.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    We'll get it

    by edshrinker

    A couple of us frequent fliers from this season are doing a lot of writing in Room 23 and maybe don't get here as much (Pa, Node, RB, NP, and myself). But such a noble goal. Gotta do my part. The tough part is around Sept when other shows start up and there is other stuff to get in to...to maintain the chat for a show that is months away still from coming back. But - we shall see.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Love you, Herc, I do

    by memento108

    But didn't you once call Desperate Housewives the best comedy on tv? And now it's outright shitty? I'm not denying that that's true, but come on, man...be consistent! Anywho, can't wait for this and i'm gonna be glued to the tv.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Snowglobe

    by theseventhshore

    The island WILL move. Absolutely in space...most probably in time as well. And I'm willing to bet that the last scene of the ep will be Locke emerging from The Orchid...with SNOW falling (and maybe a polar bear lumbering into frame!). Either that...or it'll be so far back in time that it will CAUSE the crash of the Black Rock through its sudden 'materialization'. You heard it here first, kidlets!

  • May 29, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    IT PUTS THE LOTION ON ITS SKIN OR ELSE IT GETS 'T.A.S.G.' AGAIN

    by Murraypalooza

    KEAMY FOR LIFE! Or a few more hours. heh.<br /><br /> *shifty eyes*

  • May 29, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    thanks ed

    by BrightEyes

    I hope all you guys have fun watching this , any of you guys gonna have finale parties?

  • May 29, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Hey guys

    by Mezzanine

    Not reading, just stopping through and saying hi. <p>It's finally here! The Season Finale! High Five!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    fun LOST video on youtube

    by RokurGepta

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAoH5I-f64

  • May 29, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    The episode? Hell this TALKBACK will be EPIC!

    by KnightShift

    After watching the exponential growth of the monstrosity that was the talkback for "Through the Looking Glass", I hope and pray that Harry has invested in some extra servers for this site.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Davies' acting SUCKS THE SHIT out of Harry's fat ass

    by NomeKing

    did you actually see the crap HELTER SKELTER remake? This guy does the same mannered twitch in every performance. He sucks- period. There is a reason he went from Saving Private Ryan to the boob tube.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Herc and Desperate Housewives

    by Craig2574

    The man hated the show always. Calling it the best comedy was sarcastic. Its going be a long 7 months.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    14 J 14 J 14 J

    by TimMighty

    ..man...im pumped.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    jack finally gets raped tonite

    by bacci40

    come on guys...you gotta be tired of his messianic act by now...i know the people on the island are

  • May 29, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Post #34

    by Phil Connors

    How many? 10,000?

  • May 29, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Its time for 2 hours of fun...

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    and then go into hibernation for 8 months. It's times like this when I wish I was a robot. "Yes switch me off for 8 months....but make sure you save all the good porn"

  • May 29, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Do Emmy people post here? Are they haters?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Thats why I'm asking.

  • May 29, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Is it worrying

    by Sniffingchimp

    That I actually dreamed about this finale last night? For some disturbing/mildly arousing reason, I was playing golf with Jack and Kate.

  • May 29, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Miyamoto_Musashi

    by Sniffingchimp

    True, a Lost 2 hour finale is the equivalent of really good sex but knowing that you're not going to get any for a long, long time once it's finished.....

  • May 29, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Emmysons Emer... er,

    by Napoleon Park

    Apparently actors have some input into what catagory they want to compete in and Michael Emerson nominated himself in the Supporting Actor category.<p>And don't call him the star of the show while Brighteyes is around. It's all about the Jack.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    My emmy Thoughts

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Emerson is constantly delivering the best performances on Lost, he really has no competition there and for me delivering one of the best perfomances on TV. Though given LOST's format and amount of central characters can't see any of them getting best actor, so supporting is fair. Michael "Dexter" Hall should take out best actor.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:41 a.m. CST

    3 Years!?!?

    by franchy

    I'm a little confused about something... The first sentence of this article reads: “Lost” showrunner Carlton Cuse confirmed recently that Claire’s son Aaron is aging normally -- and that something like three years has transpired since the 100 days Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun spent on Dharma Island. So 3 years has passed since the 100 days the Oceanic 6 spent on the island? However, we know that Oceanic 815 crashed on September 22nd 2004. And during Ben's most recent flashback where he meets Sayid, shortly after he comes back from the island, the lady in the hotel tells him it's October 2005. How were they gone 3 years?

  • May 29, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    RE: 3 Years!?!?

    by franchy

    I obviously meant Ben's most recent Flashforward up there...

  • May 29, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Just a few more hours.......

    by redfishbluefish

    i think i can make it. <p> see you later. today is going to go at a snails pace, i just know it.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Sniffingchimp

    by tomdolan04

    It's kinda like the day before your girlfriend has her period. You want to bang the hell out of her and saviour every teasing moment, because you know when it hits you're going to go without and things will be messy :( <p> Equally whilst shes not putting out you do look at other girls to give you a quick thrill but it just isn't the same.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    tomdolan04

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Man doesnt sound good, maybe you can't play the front 9, but there is always the back 9!!

  • May 29, 2008, 5:09 a.m. CST

    Team Saymond

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Keen to see Sun join Team Saymond in season 5, ala her role in Shiri, doing lots of ass kicking and seeking some serious vengence!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Yay Finally! and some better Emmy picks

    by ArianeB

    Every other show had their season finale at least a week ago, what was ABC thinking delaying this a week? <p>An Emmy for Jeremy Davies? For best guest performance in a drama I assume. <p>Herc, if you really think Jeremy Davies deserves the best guest performance Emmy, you need to get yourself over to hulu.com and watch William Sanderson's performance in the Life episode called "What They Saw" or Orlando Jones's performance in the New Amsterdam episode "Soldier's Heart"

  • So Jack (as interesting a charecter as he is) is one of THOSE types. Never happy where they are either literally or otherwise. No that wouldn't get tiresome at all. No sir. Nu-uhh.

  • May 29, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Glad ed got to post first

    by theBigE

    I was afraid Sick Fixx or gotham night would beat him to it! Ed, we'll see your name for the next 8 months when we log onto this page! <p> 13 more hours!

  • May 29, 2008, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Good to see familiar names posting!

    by theBigE

    Ah, the old gang's coming back together here too! See you all tonight after 11pm!

  • May 29, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    The emmys are a joke

    by Nabster

    Will they have the balls to allow Ben to kill Penny.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Franchy

    by MRJONZ72

    Maybe just that particular incident / flashforward took place in 2005. Maybe the other flashforwards are 3 years later?

  • May 29, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Locke has been to Ca for a new marriage

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Three years later Locke has finally found the boy of his dreams. <p> Ben has whisked them away to Cali for the gay marriage emmy season. <p> For no apparent reason Locke has gained a lisp and limply hangs his hands. He fingersnaps people and calls them " girlfriend". <p> Ben misses Tom. The Raymond Burr of the island.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Island rips off Lost Land/Land of Lost

    by EvilWizardGlick

    What no Turok? <p> No Will and Holly? <p> Final scene we see Slestak riding Bionasaurs into the four toed god other temple.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Sawyer's heroic sacrifice...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Sounds like he volunteers to stay behind on the island, because there are too many people weighing down the helicopter.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Am concerned

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Just watched the clips from Variety websites for the upcoming episode they got me more excited than most of the porn I see these days....I am getting old

  • May 29, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    What, does a magician wash up on the island?

    by tonagan

    "Just Wait Till You See What I’m About To Do!! And for my next trick, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!!"

  • May 29, 2008, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Not gonna Do it

    by nam0krut

    Not gonna look at this TB anymore today! I learned my lesson during last years finale when some Douchebag kept posting "JACK PHONES KATE OFF THE ISLAND!" over and over again

  • May 29, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Ender

    by edshrinker

    Ender - 1 <p> Bulgarian - 0 <p> Personally, I have the X-Files movie in July, NFL Football in Late summer, and Dexter in Oct to look forward to...then the 24 movie. So - not all doom and gloom for 8 months. Tropic Thunder looks like it might be good too. <p>

  • May 29, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I wish you'd post more spoilers

    by TheBigDogg

    Because I'm curious as to what is going on but can't bring myself to sit through the show.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    TEAM BULGARIAN!

    by spud mcspud

    Hey, that Ender's a pretty big guy. Bulgarian needs all the help he can get.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    TEAM McSPUD

    by spud mcspud

    Fuck that island! I ain't never goin' back!

  • May 29, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Francy...

    by DeeJay

    ... you make a good point, as that also raises questions about Kate's exchange with the reporter at the press conference (as to when Aaron was conceived). Considering the fact that Aaron, in theory, would look absolutely nothing like her, it would seem as if there's another layer to the 3-year rumor--- or that it simply isn't true.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    TEAM JARV!

    by spud mcspud

    Where's that c*#t Smashing? He's got a well-deserved donkey punch comin'. Just saying. Oi!

  • May 29, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    TEAM FRECKLES

    by spud mcspud

    Kate all the way. All the way up to the root.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Question Related to Next Season...

    by DeeJay

    ... in the Juliet-centered episodes, did they definitively say that all the women impregnated on the island died, or that all the women impregnated on the island *and tried to deliver while there* died? I ask this, because the former--- if it were true--- could pose some interesting possibilities for the Oceanic 6 to find allies at the beginning of next season. These allies could potentially assist them in getting back to the island or simply provide them with some vital information about the Dharma initiative. Does anyone know what stance the writers took in the episodes where this was discussed?

  • May 29, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Tonagan...

    by DeeJay

  • May 29, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Tonogan...

    by DeeJay

    ... funny stuff, fellow poster. :-) However, I think a magician has *already* showed-up...

  • May 29, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Davies

    by spud mcspud

    One-trick pony. Though it'd be interesting to see him, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, and almost anyone from the FAMETRACKER / HEY! IT'S THAT GUY! website, in a movie or TV series, where they have to play something absolutely opposite to who they really are. Or a sniper gets 'em.<P> I hate actors who only have one role in them. Over-rated motherfuckers.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    McSpud - Add Hugh Grant to that list

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    He plays a bumbling English men that all middle age women just fall in love with in each movie.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    "it's a place where miracles happen"

    by Maniaq

    man those previews ended too soon! it's like the streaming video version of premature ejaculation! I wonder what Ben "I always have a plan" Linus did to Keamy in between crouching by a helicopter and handing Locke an instructional video??

  • May 29, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Hugh Grant

    by spud mcspud

    I'd smoke-monster-pummel his ass into the ground on the Dharma island until he was literally unrecognisable. I hate that floppy-fringed fucker, and all his whinging about how hard it is to be an actor. Twat and a half, really.<P> Duly added, Musashi.

  • and michael's mum, good to see we'll get some michael action

  • May 29, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Locke's condition ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Trying to remember, do these guys know Locke used to be in a wheelchair ?

  • May 29, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Someday this talkback will have over 10000 posts....

    by nalapou

    because LOST is the best show on TV.

  • May 29, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Babylon 5 jumped millenia

    by bah

    The end of one season (3 or 4) had the last Earthling, thousands of years into the future, in a library watching events that resulted from the events of the show, before he turned into pure energy and left the planet.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    I don't get it...

    by Yabba the Mutt

    Aaron ages normally and 3 years has passed since they got off the island? You mean Kate's trial finally ended 3 years after being rescued? Let's hear it for the right to a speedy trial! I thought for sure we would find that Aaron grows faster off the island much like we see an older Walt helping Locke after he was shot by Ben. I'm waiting for an on-island flash forward. That's going to be interesting.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Davies

    by alex138

    was great in Rescue Dawn...but yea he was also playing the same twitchy character.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Desmonds vaccine Claires shots

    by EvilWizardGlick

    What happened to the need for Desmonds vaccine and Claires shots? I thought it was to stop some viral infection. The same infection that Frenchie suggested changed her companions.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Walt was to be tested/trained NOT Locke

    by EvilWizardGlick

    That whole test thing was supposed to be Walt and not Locke. <p> Season one suggested there was much more to Walt than we ever get to see. <p> I also think the dog was a construct of Walts mind. <p> It was obvious they replaced Walt with Locke.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    i dont understand

    by Mr_X

    are they going forwards in time? will Pamela have just dreamt up everything whilst bobby was in the shower?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    So

    by Series7

    Is this thread going to cary on until the next post about season 5's opener????

  • May 29, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Will we....

    by Hellboy4Prez

    Will we learn tonight why the Oceanic 6 lie about their time on the island, hopefully Abadon plays a big part. Also I think its Sawyer in the coffin. Remember how Kate told Jack she was doimg some stuff for him... Can't wait to watch

  • May 29, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Node...Keamy's demise...Rousseau's revenge...

    by Cheif Brody

    Alex Will not be avenged by her birth mom...but rather by her adoptive/kidnapping father. <p> So...this is our new digs for a while? <p> When are they gonna renovate this pisshole? <p> Ok...The countdown is on...I'm spoiler fuckin free...and it's gonna stay that way til tonight! I'll be back with my thoughts on the finale asap! <p> And I'll be back every nite til we cap 10k posts...or the White Screen of Doom takes over...whichever comes first! <p> Namaste, Motherfuckers!...and... <p> GO TEAM VINCENT!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Could Lost go down as the greatest show of all time?

    by rhcp2sweet

    I think we have to wait until the end to be sure, but the first 4 seasons have been utterly fantastic (besides the beginning of season 3) and I can't think of another series that was this consistent. Anyways, we're only ten hours away fellas, and twelve hours away from the beginning of the destruction of AICN from this TB

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    This is a 2hour finale...

    by tomdolan04

    right?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    FUCK ME

    by jah_kingdom

    I'm seriously considering blowing off an important engagement tonight but I know if I do, tonights LOST episode will suck. So, thank god for tivo.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    for those who can't wait

    by Mr_X

    a trailer of tonights ep http://tinyurl.com/2w4apm - beware some potential spoilers

  • May 29, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Jermey Davies channeling Bob Odenkirk

    by wash

    channeling Manson.<br><br>"I'm a ghost of a phantom of a shadow in the heart of your children!!!"

  • May 29, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    is it 9pm, YET?????????????

    by redfishbluefish

    oh my GOD, i can't stand this wait.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Lost would've

    by Series7

    Been a great show if it bothered to resolve anything. All we really know (or all I can really remember) is who Lock ended up in a wheelchair, Clair and Jack are half sisters and Malcolm Macdowell was studily killed off in the end of the first season.... I mean I am all for mystery and what not, but at this rate nothing will be wraped up in the end.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Best. Series. Ever!

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    And this episode rocks! Don't believe all of the spoilers out there!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    10,000 Posts

    by Youguysgotanymilk

    The "TTLG" TB last year was amazing, a great accomplishment that truly demonstrated how great of a show Lost is. <p> However, when you set a world record for eating the most M &Ms you dont think "alright, I ate 597 M&Ms without puking, now I'm going to try for 598". We've already accomplished that. <p> I think we need to show our appreciation another way. What, do we aim for 10,001? 11,000? I think it's time to set a new record, show our love another way. Any ideas. <p>

  • May 29, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    When they return from their 3 year break trom the island

    by smackfu

    They will find that only a month or so has transpired. Maybe even less. It's been made painfully obvious that time on the island does not flow at the same rate it does in the normal world, so why would you even suggest that the Island folks will be 3 years older when Jack returns?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    node32774

    by Hellboy4Prez

    That makes sense, maybe Kate is taking care of something Sawyer says before leaving the chopper. It will be interesting to see if Desmond, Jin and Michael all make it off the freighter. I would go with Ben because of the way Jack is crying when he reads the obit. With Ben gone so is his best chance of finding the island again.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    This Tb

    by ChrisVenom

    i cant wait actually. Ive met alot of cool people in last years big ass TB. Cant wait for tonights episode. Heres to 10,000 more!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    But how do they move the SECOND Island?

    by captain_kirk

    Here's my question for you guys. As I recall, Island #2 had the others' getaway. I thought Ben said at one point that they live on Island #2. In any event, there are jails there, supplies, etc, and no one has gone over there one way or another. My question is this--is there anyone on Island #2? Shouldn't Island #2 be moved as well? I say that Island #2 is just as important because unlike every other place where Island #1 gets accessed, it is easy to leave #1 and go to #2 and vice versa. Is this because of the close proximity or something more? On another note, why was Bat Manuel so annoyed by Locke's responses? Was he threatened? Angry? He certainly seemed shocked. What did that mean?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Alias

    by hank henshaw

    Didn't Alias suffer after the 1 or 2 year time-jump? I was never a big fan of that show, but it seemed to me that the show was never the same after that.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    I watched the episode this morning...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    ...but I can't say how. <p>Anyway, it was fantastic!!! The acting reminded me of the last episode of season 1 and the first episode of season 2 (tremendous Emmy material). Some of the "spoilers" are NOT correct -- including some of the darkufo spoilers. In fact, most of the spoilers left out the most important plot elements! Obviously, the studio was trying to figure out just WHO was the spy/leaker. </p> <p>Anyway, this finale is FANtastic! I don't know if I can wait to see what happens next season. This one has more lasting impact than last season's great fast forward episode. It is poignant, heart-breaking, sci fi-rific and extraordinarily eerie! The coffin scene was...unexpected! </p> If LOST doesn't earn the Emmy for BEST DRAMA, BEST WRITING, BEST SOUND, BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY and BEST ACTORS -- then the Academy is far too political. Season 4 -- culminating with this great finale -- has been the best season for a TV show since...uh...ever!

  • May 29, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Walt Seemed Older to Locke!!

    by wookiejedi50

    I think SMAKFU is kinda close with his theory, although I think they are already on the island and I’m betting that at the end of the episode after the oceanic 6 leave the island and all of the remaining survivors are sad, Jack and co. will all come out of the woods where they’ve been hiding and yell SURPRISE! Because they’ve been back for awhile and they were hiding so as not to meet the younger version of themselves. To back this up when Ben shot Locke and left him to die in the Dharma death pit who saved Locke? WALT! and something like the next episode Locke told someone that Walt saved him and that he seemed older! Could he be 3 years older??? We’ll see.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:18 p.m. CST

    hank henkshaw

    by sapno_krei

    Actually, ALIAS' decline started *before* the time jump, when the writers got tired of the SD-6 double agent plotline (arguably the hook of the show) mid-season. The time jump was just a cheap way to hit reset, rather than a sensible plot driver.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Node32774...

    by ccchhhrrriiisssm

    I watched a DVD of it with a friend who obtained it from a friend who obtained it from someone who could get into big trouble (or, at least, they said that they would get into trouble). <p>This episode was fantastic! As far as I know, it was a completed episode. The score was tremendous, and it even ended with the huh-boom-"LOST" scene. </p> I read some of the spoilers last week, but they weren't all correct (while some strangely were). I don't want to give ANYTHING away, but this was a great episode. I will watch it again tonight (or course) and make sure that what I saw was the same. However, I can safely say that the show will take on a whole new angle next year (it will have to). And I am surprised at how close some of the theories have been ... and how well the powers that be have kept this from getting out. Good stuff!

  • May 29, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Marlon Brando reference

    by Mako

    Uh... I kinda hope they do the whole Locke - Kurtz thing cause there was a huge reference to it in one of the first episodes I think where Locked put an orange wedge in his mouth and did the whole Brando thing in Apocolypse Now.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Locke is in the coffin!!!

    by erict072

    I'm just saying...

  • May 29, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    There are

    by decypher44

    too many questions that need answering. I really hope they answer more questions than those that will be raised tonight.

  • May 29, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    hank henshaw

    by MattmanReturns

    Yeah, the show died after that. It didn't return to form until late (too late?) season 5. Season 2 of Alias is one of my favorite seasons of any show.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Re: Naked Claie:

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    This is as close as it gets, Mr. McPoop: <p> http://tinyurl.com/59qkzm

  • May 29, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Henrik

    by jonissupercool

    Any guesses as to why or how Henrik shows up. We only saw him once in that arctic station at the end of season 2

  • May 29, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    They must use Ben's portal

    by exofficersmith

    ...to get off the island. They can't use the ship, because there are other random losties on it now, and they don't get off so the ship must get blown up. Is the helicopter big enough to hold them all? Plus no mention of Frank off the island, so probably not via the chopper. I think they use Ben's portal to get off.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    fuck. really? 2009?

    by samsquanch

    fuck!

  • May 29, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    One other question to answer...

    by Hellboy4Prez

  • May 29, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Woops

    by Hellboy4Prez

  • May 29, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    by Hellboy4Prez

    Does Ben follow through on his promise to kill Penny Widmore. Sorry about my itchy trigger finger.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    this day is going painfully slow

    by redfishbluefish

    and i am truly impressed at the lack of spoilery info here. it is greatly appreciated.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Mako...

    by SimpleSandwiches

    I think you are referring to the Godfather when Brando puts the orange in his mouth.... ALthough, I only saw Apocalypse Now once so there may be a scene like that in that movie too....

  • May 29, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sun...

    by MrSentinel

    The most beautiful reason to watch this show... period.

  • May 29, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I agree, Michael Emerson...

    by kuldan

    ...is engaging in his performance as Ben. For weeks I've been contemplating what other performances on the very limited television I DO watch are better than his. Turns out, there aren't any. His performance truly is the best performance on television.

  • May 29, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    I doubt much will be answered tonight...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And Darlton already said that this season's finale wouldn't have earth shattering plot twists. My bet is that we will only see how the O6 get off the island, why they are keeping things secret (Abadon probably threatened them), and the island will disappear from the present time period (whisked off three years into the future). The biggest reveals that we could be treated to are: 1) Who was/will be in the coffin? (It's now looking more like Michael.) And 2) Is Danielle really dead? (Was that Danielle's corpse partially buried, or somebody else -- perhaps The Others' therapist who was married to Goodwin?)

  • May 29, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    "We Dont Know Jack" @ Slate

    by Napoleon Park

    http://tinyurl.com/6apxl6<p>Slate article by Juliet Lapidos (!) argues that this has been the best season of TV's best show due to the flash forward gamechanger. Somemwhat amusing, the best pert is her recap of the first three seasons:<p>"1) Are there other people on this island?<p>2) There are other people on this island.<p> 3) Oh, my God, the other people on this island are way mean!"

  • May 29, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    RE: Naked Claire

    by Vorlagen

    If you're jonesing for some Claire and you like sick mutant rape, just watch The Hills Have Eyes. She's not naked, but she is pretty graphically raped by a gigantic deformed freak.

  • May 29, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Commercials

    by gameface247

    Who else here DVRs Lost and waits until about 10:20...or 9:40 tonight...to be able to fast forward through commercials? Definitely one of the reasons the show works so well on DVD.

  • May 29, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    THIS SHOW IS STILL...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...just kidding... can't wait for the season wrap-up tonight.

  • May 29, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    it's called a sense of humor.

    by Napoleon Park

    Since no one seems to have addressed this question, I'll just clear it up. Someone JOKED that noting ever gets explained (that old wheeze) and that they killed Malcolm McDowell in the first season. Someone else replied "wtf are you talking about?" or words to that effect. It was a reference to the NBC television series "Heroes".<p>Really, as "best show ever" as it may me, "Lost" is NOT the only show on TV ever.

  • May 29, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    McFarlane variant action figure

    by Napoleon Park

    Season 2 "Douchebag Charlie" as part of a 2-fer set with "Preggo Claire" as Cholly helps keep her clean with his imaginary two-finger douche nozzle. "The most delicious gijino*-butter you ever tasted!" Oh, you so would buy it.<p>[*Ever since someone posted GOJINO (GI Joe In Name Only) to a Joes talk-back, I've been trying to promote Gijino as a new euphemism for vagina, as in "O'Malley, stop looking at mah gijino!"<p>Gijino: spread it!

  • May 29, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    a modicum of taste

    by Napoleon Park

    You never struck me as humorless, Nodecode, and there's nothing wrong with not getting a reference to a secondary guest character on a series you don't watch.<p>As someone who collected superhero comics for 49 years, I could almost leap to the assumption that you're not a comics fan, but really, "Heroes" is not even the best example of that genre on current TV. (Medium is.) I like "Heroes" and don't consider that to be an example of bad taste, but then I've enjoyed an awful lot of pretty crappy comics in the last half century too.<p>("Heroes chapter 2 very sucked, but I have high hopes for chapter 3: Villains.)<p>"Hope springs a kernel." - Denny Crane!

  • May 29, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Bono Luthor

    Me and Mrs Bono have been saving part one to watch with these two. That's a whole lot of LOST in one sitting and as it's the season finale you know it's going to be the fucking delux version baby. Hell yeah. Ahem. Sorry. I'm English. I should no better.

  • May 29, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Napoleon Park

    I think my "Douchebag Charlie" post totally eliminates me from having "a modicum of taste".

  • May 29, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Eight months of

    by Napoleon Park

    "

  • May 29, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Eight months of

    by Napoleon Park

    "HEY FOLKS Here we GO!"<p>I don't want to chafe Edshrinker too much over that, he already repented it and we have to show forgiveness. Still, way to think under pressure, Ed. 8]

  • May 29, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    four hours until that thing that happens

    by Napoleon Park

    and five hours until it gets new.<p>So are all the spoiler fearers steering clear until after 11:00? Yeah, don't blame you. Who would have thought the StarGate was under the waterfall?

  • May 29, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Oh crap

    by Napoleon Park

    we're tied on the top ten with "Recount" - one more post to Bump us up another notch and I can't think of anything to say. Where is anybody when you need one?

  • May 29, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The Lawnmower Man is Frank Lapidus????

    by J-Dizzle

    Whoda thunk it!

  • May 29, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Fuck it's on tonight!!!!! It's on it's on it's on!!!!

    by picardsucks

    Fuck Recount!!!! Overrated onesided and rather banal. Besides the real Ron Klaine is a fat triple chinned slob who looks more like Jonah Hill with slick Black hair. Fuck Recount and Kevin Spacey "He who scroungeth for boy meat in London parks at midnight" Cause Lost is on tonight and nothin else fucking matters!!!!! Oh and Team Ben-Locke!!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The shark is about to be jumped

    by BigGoozoo

    If you believe the spoilers from Lostfan108... we're in for a big letdown. Let's hope the "frozen donkey wheel" he suggests is a smokescreen from Darlton.

  • May 29, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    rrrrrrrrrrr tits

    by semisaj

    I just read some spoilers...over at a couple of other sites...I hope some of its not true...because it kinda sounded lame...I wish I hadn't read them now...this show is going all back to the future on our asses..if the person in the coffin is who it is supposed to be...this show has taken an epic dump on it self..god I hope its not him

  • May 29, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Massive SPOILER

    by Napoleon Park

    In part 2 of TV G's Michael Emerson interview, he reveals that Benjamin Linus's "mission is going to be recontextualized".<p.Oh damn, I wish I hadn't read that! The context of what Ben Linus does is what this show is all about!<p>IIt's like einstein's theory of contextualization, "everything has to be placed in context".<p>Recontextualizing Benjamin at this stage alters everything! Alters it, I say! It's altered!

  • May 29, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Did Anyone Else...

    by DeeJay

    ... think that someone else was in the room with Penny when she took Desmond's call? The way they set-up the shot--- straight on and nearly cropped--- seemed to imply that. This is waaaaay out there, but since Ben was wearing a wool coat when he visited Charles & considering the Christmas tree in the shot...

  • May 29, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I wish I could rationalize it

    by edshrinker

    But that was a shitty 1st post. Caught by surprise - though it least it wasn't something overly creative like...<p> FIRST! <p> There has to be some appreciation for not having to see that for 8 months.<p> Tho seeing anything that long is bound to be annoying. So I ask, seeing that hindsight is 20/20 and given 1/2 a day to think about it...what would some of you posted? <p> I'm of the opinion, the"First"post is like love. If you want it, plan for it...it will never happen.<p> Damn that's deep. Feel free to use that one gang. Why the hezmana didn't I post THAT!<P> Thanks for the kind words guys. It sure beats, "Goddamn mutherflipper Ed posted 1st I hate him, AICN, and this TB and will never return."<p> That would have hurt my feelings. Really.<p> Naked Claire, no text. The perfect 1st post. Would NEVER get bored of that. 8 months. 8 years.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    i think the island moves...

    by El Borak

    to the far distant future where people only have 4 toes. or maybe the simpsons universe and then comes back to an earlier past, thus having a 4-toed statue present.

  • May 29, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    And........

    by edshrinker

    3 Hours until Part 1 re-airs and The End begins.<p> Spoilers...I read some of them too and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the LostFAn spoilers were set up as foilers by Darlton. They were so pissed after last year and they are smart guys. It is a certainty they filmed alternates of some scenes. What Iread was disappointing. I am SURE - tonight, I will NOT be disappointed. In fact, this will be the best 2 hour finale I will have ever watched. I will be surprised. And I will be anxious for 5x01 ...isn't that what great season finales do? Get us pumped for the next season?

  • May 29, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    edshrinker...foilers please

    by semisaj

    God i hope you are correct!

  • May 29, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    The wire

    by semisaj

    Shiiiit I'm going to watch the last 2 episodes of The Wire season 1 (so far the second best tv show after lost...i got another 4 seasons to go) go to sleep wake up at about 4 am UK time and get my ass over to ninjavideo and watch lost until i have to get my ass out of bed to go to work!!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Island will move - just a few minutes into the future.

    by Yeti

    Not a problem for Time-Travelers but impossible for anyone else to locate. How can you find somethiong that only exists in the future? (Sounds like a tagline for a movie, doesn't it?) <p> JJ call me! I have ideas galore!

  • May 29, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    I would have loved to do a Lost party

    by edshrinker

    But teaching the Summer session has been so overwhelming. The pace is too much. Hell, RB,Vader, and I are with in a couple hours of each other. Could have done it...<p> If I were made of money - I'd head out west to comic con...pickin up Gotilk on the way.<p> Alas...<p> Always thought it'd be so cool to get a bunch of us together. We're all so spread out, though. Even those of us in North America (See Fishy...that includes you, you hoser). Node and BigE in the midwest, RB Vader myself and others east coast, a ton of ya'll out west...<p> We need a massive LOST convention right in the middle of the US

  • http://tinyurl.com/59lz69

  • May 29, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    the cast, that is...

    by Pennsy

    damn spellcheck.

  • May 29, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by edshrinker

    Olmos, along with other cast members, now know the identity of the final Cylon. But you won't get it from him. In fact, actor Aaron Douglas, who plays the Cylon Tyrol in the series, told the magazine that many of the guesses and such that have plagued the Internet "don't even come close."

  • May 29, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    lostfan108 is wrong...

    by Vorlagen

    DocArzt, a very prominent Lost blogger who avoids being a spoiler but who has access to lots of knowledge, says that lostfan108 left out tons of details and was flat out wrong about a few of the BIGGEST spoilers: http://tinyurl.com/5be47r

  • May 29, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Just saying hi again.

    by gotilk

    Not reading. So....<br> <br> <br> Hi!

  • May 29, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Good posts in Room 23, guys

    by rbrog77

    I read the headlines of the poists here but not what anyone said. Spoiler free and only 3 hours to go. I'll see you afterwards.

  • May 29, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Hi gotilk...not reading either

    by rbrog77

    ;->

  • May 29, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    So - I assume that means

    by edshrinker

    it is no one obvious. Maybe no one revealed yet. Like an Earthling??<p> Someone obscure, yet important. Hmmm<p> The Hatch Man? Neat inclusion in the new series if so.<p>

  • May 29, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Final Cylon is BEN LINUS aka Imperius Leader!

    by br1947

    Let's not get in a LOST vs BSG thing again, both are great and miles above anything else on tv. Tonight is LOST's night, let's leave it at that

  • May 29, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Good News Vorlagen

    by edshrinker

    I thought as much. I really think Darlton got their revenge. And probably found the leak.

  • May 29, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I WILL NOT look at spoilers this time

    by G100

    They may be close or woefully wide of the mark but they lived up to their name last season and DID spoil the surprise for me last time.<p> <p>I expect this to be a great finale to a great season.<p> <p>(the only real fly in the ointment for this season me was Roussea. Throwaway death for a great character. Poor Frenchy.)

  • May 29, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Still not reading.(and chat invite)

    by gotilk

    But be sure to join us at the chat room. <br> <br> Just use the chat feature here and when you're on type /join #room23

  • May 29, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Oh man, Gotham... that's so sad.

    by gotilk

    I'm trying not to read, but that caught my eye. NO!!! He was one of the best. I missed all my opportunities to see him live with Tim Conway while I lived in SoCal. No!! No!!

  • May 29, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    That's Hedley!

    by Napoleon Park

  • May 29, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Great funny man indeed.

    by gotilk

    I grew up laughing with that guy. Every time he'd bust up because of Conway, I was right there with him losing it. What a loss.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    :) NP.

    by gotilk

    sad, huh?

  • May 29, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Do the math.

    by Napoleon Park

    Edshrinker, I don't want to pick on everything you say and roon de vybe for you - we all Lost luvvers here.<p>But technically a three hour season finale canNOT be the best two hour season finale you ever saw. Well, at 42 minutes per hour, three hours of broadcast TV with the ads trimmed out would clock in at two hours if you trimmed about six minutes, but they're not going to do that - instead the rerun of Pt. 1 of the finale will be adding a minute or two of additional "Oceanic Six press conference" footage.<p>However, I certainly agree in spirit that tonight will be the best freaking three hour season finale EVER! And probably better than most or all two hour season finales, too. So there's that.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    "Where's my froggy?"

    by br1947

    damn, great guy

  • May 29, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Harvey Korman was a brilliant talent

    by Napoleon Park

    His work with Carol Burnett and Mel Brooks alone qualifies him for the comics pantheon.<p>No disrespect meant, but THREE HOUR LOST SEASON FINALE! And I drove out to Radio Shack and picked up my TV digital to analog converter box so I can continue to use the 4 TVs I already have after the industry switched to digital next year and still watch TV even after I can't afford cable any more. (got it just a couple days before my coupon expired.)<p>And I just bought my first $40.00 fill-up ever. (My last fill-up was $33.00 - I don't drive much).<p>My cat's affectionate, I got cookies and there's time to go make a couple olive burgers before the show starts.<p>So for today and the next few hours at least, it's fucking great to be alive and life is good.<p>I'll mourn Harvey Korman... and Earle H. Hagen and Alexander Courage and Sydney Pollack some rainy day when I can find time. Right now is not the time. I'm too happy to be sad. New LOST!!! Whooo!

  • May 29, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    new spoiler!

    by El Borak

    jack realizes the HE HIMSELF is the island and that the lostaways are living ON HIS BODY. so he goes crazy and shaves off all his chest hair. then realizing he killed all his friends he turns to drugs and alcohol.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Not a LOST fan...

    by mrfan

    but it would drive me nuts waiting that long for my show to return. Hate these long breaks between them. Hope your finale rocks.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Wow you are really anal NP

    by edshrinker

    Tonight...is 2 hours of NEW Lost. Part one was, as you know, last week. Tonight, we get the final 2 hours. I don't count part 1...which was last week. But you knew that. And still made you post. You are a strange one.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    I meant

    by edshrinker

    Your Post. I'm a terrible typist.<p> Expressing that so you don't nitpick that as well.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Still

    by edshrinker

    Enjoy tonight NP. And all of the gang here. 15 minutes for the east coast replay, 1:15 for the final...time to get hunkered down.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    HK - Sad news indeed

    by rbrog77

    I saw Harvey dying on the news and as soon as they said his name I said noooooooooooo...<P> From his Carol Burnett in my youth to Blazing Saddles and History of the World in my later youth he gave me so much joy. And though the things I enjoyed him in will always be around, he will still be missed.

  • May 29, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    ...and I'm still not reading the posts

    by rbrog77

    Only the headlines

  • May 29, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    RIP Harvey Korman

    by ckane123

    LOVED him. But (horrible taste, I know, but obvious) he is not in the coffin tonight (later, unfortunately).<br> I think Harvey would have laughed at that...

  • May 29, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    DAMNED POPUPS!

    by br1947

    It's bad enough on my computer... now they show up on LOST... ARG!

  • May 29, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    wow

    by kickmeken

    just watched... f**king awesome... the kiss indeed stopped time...

  • May 29, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Watching part one again i've come to a revelation

    by The_Squid

    that typhoon refered to in the press conference is no typhoon. It looks strikingly similar to the Orchid station. Looks like moving the island has some slight side effects.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    There was a lot of new stuff in the press conference

    by rbrog77

    Not sure if you are watching the 8PM episode, or if you will in later time zones, but there was a lot more to it that wasn't there 2 weeks ago.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    RIP Harvey Korman indeed

    by chrth

    Definitely deserves a talkback, even if the young 'uns don't remember him

  • May 29, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Half an hour left

    by ChrisVenom

    and the damn pizza man still isnt here. Cant contain myself! Also Whats up RB and Ed? Havent seen you guys in a while.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Oh no he di'int

    by BigGoozoo

    The Lawnmower Man flew circles around the island and they all went back in time. Brilliant!

  • May 29, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Oh yes he di'id

    by BigGoozoo

    Sawyer kissed Kate and in the process uses a form of telepathy to erase the knowledge of his identity.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Eureka! Coffin inhabitant revealed!

    by BigGoozoo

    Miss Tessmacher.

  • May 29, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    OK, it's go time...

    by BigGoozoo

    ...for Paolo on the shitter

  • May 29, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    The Walt / Abaddon connection

    by Maniaq

    I'm really starting to like the theory they are the same guy. I resisted the idea at first coz it's a little convenient, but both Walt and Abaddon seem to have a special connection to Locke - it's flimsy, I know, but still within the realm of possibilities... <p> Also, I think I know how S5 is going to start - just like S1, only no plane and it's a different island...

  • May 29, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Here we go! Make a final bathroom run now!

    by br1947

  • May 29, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I love this Show

    by edshrinker

    That is all <p>

  • May 29, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Or

    by edshrinker

    Just pee on the floor. <p> Just stay away from sockets

  • May 29, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    If Locke comes near the freighter

    by Mavra Chang

    Boom

  • May 29, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    ed, that might cause a breaker to trip

    by br1947

    thus turning off my tv!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    The Last LOST

    by edshrinker

    FlyBy fro Eight Months.<p> MuthaFlippin<p> 8 months <p> cries and sobs uncontrollably.... and spell poorly

  • May 29, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Ok BR

    by edshrinker

    Use a empty beer can <p> Or a bucket

  • May 29, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    That was a badass fight

    by kyle051554

    Sayid vs. Keamy!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    bucket will suffice!

    by br1947

  • May 29, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by mthrndr

    Boom

  • May 29, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    so who is jeremy bentham

    by mthrndr

  • May 29, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Bentham

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Good, I thought I was the only one who didn't know who the hell this guy was.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    SAYID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by edshrinker

    He needs his partner.....Must have our Saymond!<p> Don't like the New one.<p> <p>Alpyid<p> Saypert<p>

  • May 29, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    The Clip from the Newspaper

    by edshrinker

    The Obit, says Jeremy Latham...or Bentham apparently

  • May 29, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Ben----Tham??????

    by edshrinker

  • May 29, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Weird, huh?

    by edshrinker

    This night is half over <p> Already<p> THAT is when you know something is good.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham

    by Hercules

    From SciFi Wire, 12/13/07: "Cuse also fessed up about the person in the coffin seen at the very end of season three. Was it someone we've seen before? "Yes," he said without elaboration.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Look at those

    by edshrinker

    MuthaFlippin CANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    cool, herc

    by redfishbluefish

  • May 29, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Miles pisses off Rose

    by Mavra Chang

    Boom

  • May 29, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Simply

    by edshrinker

    an Alias<p> We shall see

  • May 29, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    ooooh, my Sayid

    by redfishbluefish

    kicked some butt in a glorious way. what an awesome fight that was

  • May 29, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Ladies and Gents

    by edshrinker

    We FINALLY HAVE <p> The Orchid. <p> The home to time/place jumping Bunnies

  • May 29, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Wait a second....

    by memento108

    "Move" the Island...to a different time!?!?!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    If you mean time traveling bunnies, then yes...

    by br1947

    LOL!!!!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Let her deck Miles first

    by Mavra Chang

    He's a twit.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Oh My God

    by edshrinker

    This Eppy is so damn cool. <p> "If you mean time traveling bunnies? Yes."

  • May 29, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP I LOVE BEN

    by redfishbluefish

    why don't you watch this very informative video..... <p> the best

  • May 29, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Eye catching subject...

    by Ateball

    Witty one liner!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Michael Emerson really needs some awards...

    by br1947

    I would say Emmys, but they are a joke. He needs a GOOD award.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Added scenes?

    by barfydog

    Were there additional scenes added to Part 1 of There's No Place Like Home? I thought they said there were in the previews.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    KEAMY?!

    by kyle051554

    NO FUCKING WAY. What is is, Mikhail's cousin?

  • May 29, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Lost Party

    by barfydog

    Not having a party but a couple friends, chinese food, crackers and potables. Will watch again tomorrow to make sure I understand what I saw under the haze of alcohol. Probably have to watch a couple of times. Shoot, with an 8 month wait I'll have to watch the whole series over again.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Desmond

    by barfydog

    And Henry Ian Cusack MUST submit The Constant for his emmy consideration.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    "So?"

    by memento108

    Man, he's cold. But I love him.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    michael emerson

    by alex138

    is the best actor on the show

  • May 29, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Oh, body armor. Duh.

    by kyle051554

    Still, those eyes looked pretty dead when Alpert took a look at him. Did the island heal him, or did Keamy just get the wind knocked out of him?

  • May 29, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    holy shit

    by br1947

    Maybe Ben really is the final Cylon... Jesus...

  • May 29, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    "So.............."

    by Kampy0jay

    Holy shit. Terminated

  • May 29, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    "So."

    by CeltMonkey

    Friggin' evil bastard. I love that guy.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    barfydog

    by alex138

    there was a pro longed press conference where they named boone, libby, and charlie as the others who survived the plane crash but didnt make it off the island

  • May 29, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Ben is the one of the final 5!!!!!

    by Kampy0jay

    Adam-a AKA BEN.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    In exactly one hour this talk back is going to explode

    by The_Squid

    what happened to no killing of innocents Ben? It appears Locke has become the good guy, Widmore the bad guy and Ben is somewhere in between.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    YOU KILLED MY DAUGHTER!!!

    by Ateball

    Good thing he took off that stupid Kevlar Vest...wouldn't want that to get in the way...

  • May 29, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    alex138

    by barfydog

    Thanks Alex.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    First!

    by Ateball

    Sawyer rules post!

  • May 29, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Jorge Garcia's mother isn't gonna like this

    by Mavra Chang

    Sawyer is her favorite.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    ok, wtf did sawyer say to kate?

    by mthrndr

    anyone have subtitles and DVR?

  • May 29, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    The way Hurly looked at Walt means Michael probably dies.

    by BrokenHeath

    ..and maybe Jin too when the boat explodes.

  • May 29, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    mthmdr

    by alex138

    i bet he asked her to check in on his daughter or something. which is what she was probably doing in 'something nice back home' that pissed off jack

  • May 29, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    Mcpoops, I was thinking the same thing...

    by br1947

    except about Juliet... but Kate was doing quite well too!

  • May 29, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    What Sawyer said...

    by Ateball

    Find my daughter, take care of her, tell her I love her....

  • May 29, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    wtf sawyer say to kate?

    by ranting_dude

    With closed captioning all it said was (whispering).

  • May 29, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Arrrrrrrg!

    by The_Squid

    Too many commercials! Where the hell is Oceanic with the corporate sponsorship?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    I like Sawyers character...

    by BacardiRocky

    but he has changed so much this seson that it would be fucking great to see the Dharma Shark make an appearance and go "Jaws:The Revenge" on him while swimming back to the island

  • May 29, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    BUT seriously...

    by Ateball

    ..when they panned to Hurley when he said we need to lose a few hundred pounds....LMAO

  • May 29, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham

    by chimpjnr

    He was an English philosopher from the 1800's. Big believer in Utilitarianism, otherwise known as the end justifying the means. Hmmm...yet another tradition of the Lost writers using a dead philosopher for their own means. Thoughts under the circumstances?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Why do u keep calling him that......

    by Kampy0jay

    His name is.............Baltar

  • May 29, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Do Not Say the Name

    by edshrinker

    Hmmmm <p> If it IS Ben.....they sure did a lousy job of an alias. <p> Bentham<p> Not real creative.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    jeremy bentham was also the positor of the panopticon

    by mthrndr

    look it up on wikipedia, but it fits very much with themes on LOST.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    WTF!!!

    by memento108

    ABC AFFILIATE IS FUCKED!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    what if bentham is richard alpert?

    by mthrndr

  • May 29, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Bah

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I may be alone, but I liked Michael. "You can go now" was a cool line, though.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    DID THEY REALLY...

    by Lt. Kaffee

    just fuckin leave the rest of the oceanic survivors to blow up on the boat? "Sorry guys, only room on the chopper for the main characters." - Jack

  • May 29, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I know

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    Here, have a life preserver, you fucking extra.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Desmond was on the chopper right?

    by Maxer

    I'm glad alot of the redshirts died. They're uglyyyy. I kinda wished Jin was still alive though. Then there'd be a reason for Sun to go back.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Whoa!

    by ChrisVenom

    I tried to catch my breath after that scene but soon as it ended they show a new Dark Knight spot! Whew!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham....

    by sanitti

    Alias for the pilot.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    What exactly happened?

    by memento108

    I had to miss the last segment, most of it anyway.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Jin and Desmond

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    If the island doesn't want them dead, then they may not be dead.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, wait...

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    there's desmond on the helicopter.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Ughhh

    by Ateball

    ....Jack we have to find Jin, Sun asked me to, No kate, he is really only a minor character..now please get on the chopper...with sawyer gone...im in like flynn!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    ausiello says 3 regulars die...

    by mthrndr

    they wouldn't do that though, would they? that's pretty fucked.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    God, those tits...

    by memento108

    Juliet's tits are a thing of wonder.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Possible showdown?

    by Mavra Chang

    Sayid vs. Sun? Winner offs the opposing team's villain?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Steve is fucked

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

  • May 29, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Now I have to watch in fear...

    by memento108

    of the cable fucking up again. Damn it all to hell.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Spoiler!

    by gotilk

    Nah, just kidding. Starts here in HD in 35 min.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    this suddenly turned into a star trek episode

    by mthrndr

    cheesy soundstage to boot.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Not Star Trek

    by Mavra Chang

    Superman. Don't you recognize the Fortress of Solitude? ;)

  • May 29, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Now I see why they called it the frozen donkey wheel

    by BigGoozoo

    Because whoever came up with this plotline is a jackass

  • May 29, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    holy.

    by mthrndr

    fuck.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Oh...my...god

    by memento108

  • May 29, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT

    by kyle051554

    That was _amazing_.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Helicopter crash.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    PS: Lostfan108...

    by BigGoozoo

    ...pretty much completely correct so far

  • I'm not yet sure how I feel about this very literal turn. It's cool...I guess?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    These people crash more often than Luke in Empire Strikes Back

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm lost.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Awesome.

    by br1947

    Good stuff... on a side note, anyone else thing 'Wipeout' looks like and American 'MXC'? Not that that's a bad thing, always enjoy seeing people hurt themselves for my amusement...

  • May 29, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    The second kiss

    by BigGoozoo

    Jack and Des... how darling!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    What?

    by digitalcos

    "The writer/director of The Sixth Sense and Signs brings you his first R rated film."<p>Are you seriously using the movies MPAA rating to sell the film?<p>Oh yeah.<p>Well, Fuck You.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    The rest of the series should take place on that raft.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    backwards speaking!

    by mthrndr

    someone fire up sound recorder!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    digitalcos, Rated R with a twist.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Backwards, eh. . .

    by CeltMonkey

    A Twin Peaks dream?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    PENNY

    by BacardiRocky

    PENNY!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Penny! Well what a coincidence!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    AMAZING

    by memento108

    Almost started crying...holy shit.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham can't be Ben...

    by BrokenHeath

    because then Walt would just call him Ben. He did know him on the island by his name, didn't he?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    There seems to be a rated R happening

    by mthrndr

    there seems to be a shit stain on my theater screen happening.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Penny's F'n Boat!!!!

    by maineguy74

    Once again, this show proves why it fucking rocks!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Penn

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

  • May 29, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Where did the island go? It's Lost in Space.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Surprised Penny didn't

    by sanitti

    ask about Charlie....

  • May 29, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Penny's great...

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    but notice how all of the other people on the raft are like, "Oh, hey. Nice to meet you," not "Holy FUCK! Are you serious!? How weird is that!!"

  • May 29, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Octagon Global Recruiting?

    by ranting_dude

    WTF!

  • May 29, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Octagon commercial?????

    by sanitti

    nice

  • May 29, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Remember that episode

    by JokersNight

    When Kate had three fingers jammed in her pussy? Yeah, me neither.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    3000 miles to another island. IT'S MY ISLAND!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    man, it's all about these short seasons

    by mthrndr

    lean and mean, almost no filler.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    anyone able to get to octagon site?

    by jccalhoun

    anyone able to get the Octagon site to load? It is overloaded for me.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

    by Charlie Murphy

    that's it. that's all i can say... fucking john locke...

  • May 29, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    RE: Super Nintendo Chalmers

    by Larry of Arabia

    After seeing a whole island disappear I'd think that they would take Penny in stride.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    well, it's not ben...

    by mthrndr

    sawyer?

  • May 29, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    OOOOkay. Locke is dead.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • May 29, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    HOLY FUCK!!! IT REALLY WAS LOCKE!!!!

    by memento108

    BEST SHOW EVER.

  • May 29, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE EVERLOVING FUCK?

    by seagrass

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Holy Sh*t

    by zardoz20

    Good Finale

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    BEST EPISODE OF TELEVISION EVER

    by CherryValance

    If it were a movie, I swear it might make my top ten.

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Locke!!!!

    by BacardiRocky

    Fucking idiot

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    SHIIIIIIIIIIT

    by kyle051554

    Is there any doubt that this is the greatest show ever created?

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    it's going to take me all 8 months to process this episode

    by mthrndr

    jeezum crow.

  • May 29, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Fuck me for reading the spoilers

    by BigGoozoo

    they were right... again

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    So I guess that the new flashbacks...

    by JackIsLost

    will show the 3 year gap between rescue and now... Pretty nifty. Looks like the only way Terry O'Quinn will still be on the show now that Locke is dead. Holy crap.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    That's how it's done, people

    by Larry of Arabia

    Take notes all ye other serials. That was some heavy payoff and a great cliffhanger.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Well, shit...

    by digitalcos

    I'm not sure how best to handle the Weekend at Bernie's joke. Any ideas?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Take Locke to island, like Star Trek 3: the Search for Spock.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Star Trek on Earth. What a series.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Locke?

    by seanny_d

    I don't care that Locke is in the coffin. He's not dead. No way. Not happening. <p> And for that matter, neither is Jin. Jin was picked up by Faraday and they're chilling somewhere on the ocean. <p> Love this show.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Checkmate, Mr. Eko

    by zardoz20

    Favorite line of the show...Hurley rules..

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Ok, question!

    by br1947

    What happened to Desmond's vision last season where he saw Claire and Aaron get on the helecopter? You know, the vision that Charlie sacrificed himself for? Did I miss something?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    LOoooooooccccckkkkeeee....

  • May 29, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Jack has some awesome taste in music

    by Loosejerk

    Scentless Apprentice.....Gouge Away.....FUCK YEAH!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    That means two of my four favorite characters

    by Charlie Murphy

    don't make it out of the series alive. Eko- dead. Locke- will die. Fingers crossed that Ben and Des make it.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Jacob is Jack

    by Speedstream

    That's my theory...Jacob is Jack.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Locke can't be dead...

    by memento108

    But holy shit, to answer that question...there is NO doubt that this is the greatest show ever.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Poor man's process.

    by digitalcos

    I loved the black trash bag waves in the background.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Hoffs Drawler -- funeral parlor

    by Lurker Johnson

    Anagram for "A Fresh World"<br><br> that is all.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    11 p.m. ET

    by Hercules

    From E! Online's Watch With Kristin, 4/23/07 - "Greg Grunberg, aka Oceanic pilot Seth Norris, was in Hawaii last week filming scenes for the show."

  • May 29, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Soulf****r was Wrong!

    by theBigE

    Hah - I read just a few glimpses of that turd's "spoilers" in the previous talkback - he said that Ben would kill Penny at the end of this episode. Loser. I was bummed to see Locke in the coffin, as many predicted. Stupid spoilers. <p> I too am going to take some time to process this episode. Why did big Walt appear to Locke last season? 4 toed statue? Frozen donkey wheel? WE STILL DON'T KNOW!!!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    by theBigE

  • May 29, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Underwhelmed

    by slave to the one

    That's the big finale! Not on Par with the last 3!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Sooooooo, no-one can really die?!?!?

    by The Dum Guy

    I thought for a moment we would get a new character to be in the coffin... to fill in the next two seasons.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Cuse has said that the end scene was 3 years later

    by mthrndr

    So next season, I'm betting we jump forward to Jack trying to rally the troops to go back, with flashbacks to the island during the intervening years. I bet we're done with flash forwards for a while.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    And... the crazy theories begin...

    by br1947

    So maybe the redheaded chick is the time-transported daughter of Juliet & Sawyer? She was 'looking for where she was born' and according to Miles she had been there before...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Yup, it's Locke.

    by ckane123

    ALL the spoilers were right - except I still think that Locke can DIE off the island and still be ALIVE if brought back to the Island (the island, even more so now, exists at a time BEFORE Locke dies). So now we know the arc for next season: Bad things happen on the island/the O6 try and get back. By the end of the season, Locke will "leave" to get the O6 back and dead Locke will "arrive" on the island... to "wake up." Expect filler episodes with Farraday, The hot-red-head and Ben vs. Whitmore next year as well. The final season will be the cleanup/resolve the last mysteries and (my theory) give the cast the chance to "fix" the past to NOT END UP ON THE ISLAND AT ALL...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    I am an idiot...

    by Lurker Johnson

    Forgot the other "F", Doh!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    okay wtf?

    by El Borak

    i dunno.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    And by frozen donkey wheel

    by theBigE

    I obviously saw it - I just want to know how the heck it worked! <p> And how did Ben already know that Sayid was off the island and his wife was dead? How did Mr. Friendly travel so easily off the island, when no one else seems able???

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!!!

    by Ateball

    LOST...best show ever...BSG is in the dirt...and I love that show too...time to go upgrade to the Blu Ray season 3 at moviestop tommorrow.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Season 5 is going to be a very different thing.

    by Charlie Murphy

    The show isn't going to pick up at the flash-forward point (I don't think) so the "real-time" stuff will only have locke, sawyer, charlotte, juliet and co. to keep us interested on the island and the show would cut between that and, i would assume, the Six's adventures on the real world. Flash forwards will be Jack trying to recruit the other 5 to return with Ben. Since Desmond went off with Penny, he'll probably only be a recurring guest star from here on (which kinda sucks, but really, what else do you do with him? his story's pretty much done...) Thoughts?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    So... will bringing Locke back to the island...

    by SilentP

    bring him back to life the way Christian came back to life (or at least made him some kind of wacky ghost)? <br><Br> FUCK, 2009? Godfuckingdammit.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Chatlette is

    by Speedstream

    Ben's friend from when they were kids...makes sense to me. Juliet and Sawyer...bitch outcasts...I can see it.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Nirvana/Pixies

    by slave to the one

    So is Jack trying to relive the late 80's early 90's Apparently he must be a HUGE Pixies fan, given that Nirvana were largely influenced by the Pixies!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Locke Will Live

    by CalamityJay

    If they take him back to the island...Poof!...he'll return to life.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    http://www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

    by BigGoozoo

  • May 29, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Faraday - where did he and the boat of redshirts go?

    by theBigE

    He was off the island, yes? What happened to his boat when the island disappeared?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Alright, i dug it, but i have some gripes...

    by Lt. Kaffee

    they revolve around the kinda silly scene with ben "moving" the island and then the scene when jack so easily abandoned all those other passengers (who he ranted and raved about saving and rescuing for 4 damn seasons)to die by boat explosion. other than that i really enjoyed the episode and for some reason am super happy desmond made it.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Bentham

    by Maniaq

    Desmond?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, no Greg Grunberg

    by Charlie Murphy

    i told myself i would watch for him, but the episode was so good, i forgot... how the fuck would he get in?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah, already logged in at octagon recruiting

    by theBigE

    They took my email and said "see you in San Diego this summer!" Is that for Comic-con or something?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    This twist is like Libby in the mental hospital

    by BurgerKing

    I'm shocked and baffled and my mind is just saying WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST SEEE however I'm being cautious because of how ridiculously insane it is, to the point where you're saying cmon, really, your just wanting us to be mindfucked. <p> However, the use of the coffin in season 3 was a good way to set up this mindfuck, and we all know the writers had no fucking idea who was in the coffin until probably a few episodes back. <p> It's no THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS, but did anyone really expect it to be?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    oh and jin ain't dead

    by mthrndr

    fuck ausiello. jin's alive.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Ooh, Herc changed the title again!

    by theBigE

    With a big spoiler for those on the West Coast!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by Charlie Murphy

    you are right... i'm not thinking straight, the episode was too good... but Desmond probably won't be a regular, do you think?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    THE LOST CURSE...

    by BurgerKing

    Strikes again! The attack of the Lost star DUI takes down another character. BAM. <p> I dunno if I'm supposed to not post this because of West Coasters but other people are talking dead Lockes and West Coasters shouldnt be here right now anywya.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT BENTHAM MEANS...

    by JBouganim1

    THE MAN B Thats black language for what up kid thats Locke son

  • May 29, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Sopranos was the best tv show. Not Lost.

    by GQtaste

    Yeah,Sopranos suffered in the last couple of seasons but it imo is better than lost.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Yup, I'd wager Jin is alive, too...

    by ckane123

    By episode three next year he will wash up on shore, barely alive, and Juliet, who will become the "new Jack"/leader of the island, will nurse him back to health. AND what is the "really bad thing" that happens to the island? I say look for some nasty stuff from Mr. Paik....

  • May 29, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    timeline for next season?

    by Titus05

    so what is going to be the present 'time' next season?...is it going to be with the Oceanic 6 trying to go back to the island (which would mean Locke is dead) or the years in between the rescue?...they have to start with the 6 going back...the timeline is even more screwy then ever before

  • May 29, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    I thought Des was done too

    by CherryValance

    I forgot about Ben having to kill Penny. That's gonna suck. And Jin and everything that happened. I did a lot of alternate screaming and crying this episode. Claire scared me something fierce. And Sun with the screaming made cry and then when that guy called up to Miss Widmore, I screamed and cried at the same time.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Sopranos better than Lost?

    by Charlie Murphy

    huh.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    3 deaths

    by Titus05

    so we could potentially have 3 original cast members dying tonight---Michael, Jin and Locke

  • May 29, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Octagon Global Recruiting

    by SquallTiofae

    Confirms there will be definite information about Season 5 at Comic Con this summer.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    one more thing...

    by Titus05

    tomorrow on Good Morning America they are going to show the 3 alternate endings that were shot...should be interesting

  • May 29, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Jin...

    by seanny_d

    Something tells me he's going to be picked up by Faraday and the meat socks. He was close to the edge of the boat anyway. And he has a history of surviving exploding boats/rafts. So he's got experience in that.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Locke leaves Mr. McPoops with enlightenment envy

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Really can you blame him, we're talking about a guy with the handle of Mr. McFuckingPoops here.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Lurker: Hoffs / Drawler is an anagram of

    by rockgolf

    Flash Forward. This was explained <i> last</i> year after it was first shown. <b> Oh yeah. New info at 8pm - Sayid has no plans to return to Iraq. Jack claimed that Boone, Libby & Charlie survived the crash, but died before rescue. Kinda true.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    heart beat monitor shouldnt have gone off!!!!!

    by BurgerKing

    Silly writers, my nerd instincts have found a flaw in your writing! A major one at that! <p> We all know that the Morse Code took like 2-3 days to reach the freighter in the time difference between island and world. <p> Ohhh but the heartbeat monitor signal INSTANTLY shows up on the boat? I don't think so Mr. Lindelof and Mr. Cuse. I don't think so at all.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Very good Finale

    by edshrinker

    Enjoyed it and want MORE! It did its job.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Ben tapped into a Bose/Einstein condensate?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    And via quantum entanglement he wormholed the island? <p> Or is it just a virtuality that can be reset in another space/time matrix using the BEC?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Ed ed ed...

    by Napoleon Park

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Seems the show is going to change

    by Crow3711

    and quite radically too. I can't wait. Everything they have done thus far is complete and utter brilliance. I have complete faith in this story. There are other great shows, and then there is Lost, it really is in its own league, IMO. That was an incredible finale, and having Penny and Desmond together was beautiful. I can't wait to see what comes next, and what goes so wrong on the Island.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    idiots

    by lantern48

    All of you. Lost is the worst fucking show ever. It exists to only tease you and never answer any questions-- all the while making so many new questions that you morons forget you had old ones. Fucking braindead suckers.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Next season

    by Johnson311

    When does next season start approximately?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Very good Finale...Two problems I had

    by chaseguy17

    1. Bringing back Micahel just to kill him after having maybe 15-20 minutes of screentime felt very cheap. I want to care that he died...but he hadn't done much recently. Maybe they should have kept him on the island. 2. Desmond finding Penny should have been a grand scene. But since we hadn't had a desmond centric episode in a while...there wasn't that "waiting" emotional impact. It was just there out of the blue. and we know the dark future ahead. I felt they really messed that up.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    by Crow3711

    You're a dork BurgerKing. You're trying too hard. The walkie talkie signals are instant. People have spoken from the island to the freighter. It's anything physically moving to and from the Island that gets messed with. Signals go fine since Charlie turned off the Looking Glass station, a jamming station. BOO YA. Lost is the shit.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Lurker Johnson - "Hoff's Drawlar" is also an anagram for...

    by DonnaDarko

    "Flash Forward" It's an A, not an E.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Ashok0...

    by bonerama

    The first few seasons of the Sopranos are brilliant, but it was just kind of meh the last few. I recommend you kill the downtime before Lost S5 with The Wire, the greatest show ever produced.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    rockgolf

    by Lurker Johnson

    I stand corrected. And I unfortunately already knew that. ARRRRGHHH! Sometimes it doesn't pay to drink a twelver whilst watching this show.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Time change between the freighter and island...

    by ckane123

    I think the producers, when asked, will say that because the freighter moved closer to the island there was no time distortion. That's wha I'd say if I were them... Night all!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Eddy baby...

    by Napoleon Park

    you screamed up one side of the wall and pissed down the other complaining about last weeks Grey's Allmultisyllabicwordssoundthesametomy finale, and this week you defend yourself by placing in type that part one of the tree hour finale was LAST WEEK. You seem like such a nice guy I can't imagine why I can't resist pointing these things out, but you just make it so damned easy.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by Charlie Murphy

    the guy who said Sopranos is better than Lost is off his rocker. The Sopranos is a decent crime show and the first three or four years have some pretty neat ideas, but it always felt to me like it was treading water. it's well written (for the most part) and the acting is pretty solid, and definitely worth a look if you like crime/mob stuff, but... i don't know.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Heart Beat Monitor

    by Kraken

    But when the island transmitted from the phones, it was actually further BACK in time for the boat. So if anything the heart beat monitor should have sent the signal, and the boat should have exploded sooner than later.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    michael may not be dead

    by Bouncy X

    jack's dad said it was time to go, now of course that might mean he DID die and he was his way of inviting him to the "other side" or whatever. but my first impression upon seeing that scene was that he was somehow rescued. as someone else pointed out, it would be sorta cheap that his big comeback was such a small role, he must have more to do in the coming finale 2 seasons. course i might be wrong and that was his redemption or some shit. as for the boat, with all the timeline stuff going on, maybe we only saw the boat from a different time blow up and its still ok somewhere else. sorta like the whole dead doctor thing.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Why not kill the battery with Baking soda?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Battery is acidic, why not just kill it with baking soda?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    To Burgerking

    by coconutgroves

    They moved the boat closer in, directly offshore - that is why Keemey's radio transmitter worked and wasn't affected by the the space/time problem. The boat was directly offshore within seeing distance. Great episode - 8 months is too long to wait!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    lantern48...

    by memento108

    Ever watched the show? Or better yet, any episodes from this season? So many fucking questions have been answered this season. This season has been all about pay-off. The fans known that...the naysayers (like you) think it's still popular to bring up the fact that we never got answers. You, sir, are uninformed.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    How would they explain how they got a liferaft to get off island

    by BrokenHeath

    they were exploring the island and found one? And wouldn't authorities want to find the island that they said they were stranded on for so long?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    bouncy x

    by chaseguy17

    "time to go" meant that he could now die. the whispers released his curse is how i interpreted that. past episodes he couldn't die.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    burger king

    by mthrndr

    the morse code signal didn't take 2-3 days to reach the boat. it reached it instantly. it's just that the boat itself was in a different time frame. but tonight, the boat was far closer to the island - in fact, I assume that it was past the protective event horizon of the machine. At this point, I don't think the island is natural at all, but man made. I think abrams took the basic idea of atlantis and a race of ageless people and molded this show around it.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    i cant wait for

    by alex138

    next season when they carry around locke's body while convincing the others to go back. it'll be like weekend at bernie's

  • May 29, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Good Season

    by flickchick85

    I've been down on Lost since mid-season 2, and while I liked the last few episodes of S3, I thought most of the rest of that season was utter crap, too. That said, I really think this was the best season since S1, and it actually makes me excited for S5 (which hasn't happened since S2)...though I know it probably won't be as good since it'll be another stretched out season. This forced short season was actually very beneficial to this show, imo.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X, eigenstate collapse Schrodingers Cat?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    <p>with all the timeline stuff going on, maybe we only saw the boat from a different time blow up and its still ok somewhere else <p> Are you claiming that the boat was in a different quantum state? That the observers caused the boat to explode as would happen with Schrodingers Cat?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    negatively charged exotic element

    by zom-bot.com

    i think they said element, right? but then ben blows up the tele-time-porter microwave style uncovering a tunnel to the frozen wheel. i figgured a exotic element' would be an asteroid or spaceship or something. thank god it wasn't a spaceship.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    So who is Jeremy Bentham???

    by Mrhazard

    New character??? Old character??? Old character with a new alias??? It's hard to keep track of all this bullshit... Love the show, tho... Easily the best show since Sopranos...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Better question

    by br1947

    Why not just remove the blasting caps?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    chaseguy17

    by Bouncy X

    you know, i totally forgot about michael's many failed attempts to try to die. so then yeah, you're probably right....to paraphrase buffy "death was his gift". that makes much sense.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Enough loose ends, already

    by BigGoozoo

    All joking aside... 2 seasons to go and shitload of loose ends have built up over 4 seasons with no signs of letting up. If the theories are right and season 5 is a bridge to the final one, they'd better get going with the explanations...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Kind of sucks locke is dead

    by The_Squid

    although dead people tend to come back on lost. Penny will probably be a regular next season. Why does locke's carcass have to go back? What the fuck is up with clarie? I don't think she's dead, but what's she doing? I never thought I'd say this but the only real problem with this episode was there wasn't enough questions asked. You can go now Michael.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    OK. That was a very, very nice finale. But...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...is it just me, or has this show run out of surprises? I felt like everything was either telegraphed or a done deal because of all the information we already know.<P>Still, it's tough to beat the image of John Locke in a coffin. Good season. Pretty good finale. I look forward to the next.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com, Bose einstein Condensate.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    A Bose Einstein condensate would be cold and could move the island via quantum entanglement.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by Bouncy X

    you blew up my brain...thank you. lol. no but what i was saying was that just like we saw the dead doctor wash up on shore while he was still alive on the boat. maybe the boat we saw blow up is from that other timezone or whatever you wanna call it and there's still a version thats ok or vice versa.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Several thoughts

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    1) Lock is dead like Jack's father was dead. For some reason they are alive(ish) on the island, but dead on the mainland. 2) Jin could still be alive. If Sawyer can swim, so can he. 3. Michael's dead. Blowed up.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Greg Grunberg...

    by mraig

    Will he be in the alternate endings tomorrow morning? <P> That was the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland on Aaron's door. Was that there in "Something Nice Back Home"? And what's the deal with Aaron (which has been hinted at since Season 1) and what's the deal with Claire--is she a ghost now or what? It seems like there is some connection between Aaron's "special" status, Walt's "special" status, and the reason why the Others were interested in them both. I'm sure it was all part of the "Others" orientation that Locke got when he joined up with them. <P> When Ben said "you all" have to go back, did that include Lapidus and Desmond? <P> So I suppose that Ben travelled directly from the frozen wheel room to the Sahara in 2005 (and the date on the island when he turns the wheel is sometime in late December 2004, right?). And the new timeframe of "We have to go back", if it's three years later, would be sometime in late 2007/early 2008 (i.e. more or less present day, for now). Which means Ben has been doin' stuff for two years or so since he made that threat to Widmore--and Sayid has been working for Ben for 2 years. It's possible that he's already killed Penelope in the intervening time--and it's hard to imagine that Penelope and Desmond haven't been together for that three years... <P> What the hell kind of show will Lost be next season? What format will it take? When will be the "present", and will there be flashbacks or flashforwards? Will Locke still be a series regular? Will I be able to wait eight months? How big will this talkback be by then?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    wasn't it a small coffin in season 3?

    by zom-bot.com

    i thought it was a small coffin, which is why people thought it was walt or a smaller woman. but it was locke, so, did he lose his legs in 3 years or something, or was i just crazy as seeing the smallish coffin in season 3?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Jacks taste of music

    by zombieface

    is excellent. but also remember the date of death of the body.. well locke? april 5th...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    claire still not on heli

    by BurgerKing

    yo, way to kill Charlie for no reason. We better see some Claire helicopter action Season 5.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Bouncy X, What I said AND

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Using the Quantum Entanglement caused by the Bose Einstein Condensate would make it all the more likely.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Claire looked pudgy in the face

    by EvilWizardGlick

    She been chowing down.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Not quite Spoilers

    by shellfishh

    These aren't spoilers, because I don't know bearded jack shit, but I want to throw out my idea just in case I am right and I get to brag.<br><br> Next season, Sun will be a 'bad guy'. She's pissed at Jack for Jin dying and I think Locke visited a few more people before he died.<br><br> I think Locke told Sun that Ben made the boat go "boom". That would be a good reason for her to hook up with Widmore. They both want Ben dead.<br><br> But Jin's not dead.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    It was LOCKE in the casket...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...I've been saying that since last season's ender... <p> No, really... I have...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    John Locke is dead. Long live John Locke.

    by TallBoy66

    Many miles to go with Locke, seeing how he became Grand Poobah Other, and then it went to hell, and then he died. I'm thinking of a "real time" island episode and flashforward to Locke telling Jack he caused everything to go to hell. Ending with Locke's death (who will then pull a Christan Shepard when they get back to the island). I'm less mulling on the big clues as to how the show is going to be structured by this point. Like, if we get a Sawyer episode - who stayed behind - we get flashbacks to him being a con-artist? Or if we get a hobo-drunk-Jack episode trying to get people to go back... what are his flashbacks? Him being a doctor? Getting more tats with Bai Ling? Flashbacks to one of the days on the island...THAT WE HAPPENED TO ALL MISS? Uber lame. But, considering how the good the show has been all of season 4 and the tail end of season 3, I have confidence they'll pull it off.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    can anyone explain the...

    by El Borak

    wheel? any theories?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Who was Halliwax?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    That was the name on Bens coat.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by mraig

    And why did the O6 claim that a few others had survived the initial crash, but then died later on the island?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Spoiler

    by smackfu

    Both Ben Linus and Charles Widmore (and Richard Alpert and probably others) are invincible. They're on (at least) their second run through (their consciousness has gone back in time and are re-living a fixed period of their lives) and they can't die until they die in the original timeline. It's the same thing that happened accidentally to Desmond when his conciousness became unstuck in time in Season 3 and 4. Only Ben, Charles, Richard and friends have done it on purpose, and Ben and Richard hinted that they've probably done it many times thus far 'I stopped counting birthdays a long time ago'. *because they're irrelevant because they won't start having real birthdays again until they stop looping back. This is why Ben always has a plan (he already knows everything that's going to happen up until the point where he looped back. And this is why he is utterly fearless, because he knows he can be beaten and tortured, but he can't be killed. And he then aluded this season that Widmore is in the same state 'are you here to kill me?' - 'we both know I can't do that'.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Penny and Desmond...

    by Schmott

    are going to be Mr. and Mrs. Dead Bodies in the cave from Season 1.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Halliwax

    by BigGoozoo

    Was that the name "Marvin Candle" used in the Orchid orientation video?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    zombieface

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    What song was he listening to at the end? I didn't recognize it. It is funny that Jack is way cooler as a drunken lumberjack than he is as hero-guy.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    El Borak, Wheel opened

    by EvilWizardGlick

    a channel allowing the Bose Einstein Condensate to interact with whatever activated it. The ensuing Quantum entanglement allowed the island to transport in a time/space matrix vector.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Halliwax

    by mraig

    was the name that the Asian guy from all the training videos used in the Orchid video, wasn't it? All his names have something do with candles (Marvin Candle was another, I think).

  • May 29, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Crazy theory time

    by The_Squid

    locke isn't dead. The writers pulled a fast one on us! Sayid said it was reported as a suicide, but he made it sound like he assasinated him(not entirely sure about this, need to rewatch that scene). But Sayid works for Ben, and Ben needs Locke to come with him. Maybe I'm just crazy and Sayid was impyling widmore killed locke but you never know.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    by zombieface

    scentless apprentice. yeah... i kind of like the hobo side of him.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Locke as a regular next year

    by Charlie Murphy

    hell yeah he will. that flash forward was two or three years in the future, so if the show picks up where it left off, with locke leading the Others with Alpert, i see no reason why he wouldn't be back. Also, I think it's really awesome that Ben went directly from the Island to the desert, and i'm really surprised the 6 got off the island already. I thought we'd have a whole other year of flash forward before the rescue.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Eddy Baby

    by edshrinker

    Buy me a drink if you are gonna talk to me that way Nap. And keep your hands to yourself. Glad to amuse you. I can always say - I did something of value this day. I gave Nap material. I'm taking baby steps with my self-esteem development lately. Very sad. <p> Better title for our home. Hope the lack of context negates that as a spoiler. I wonder if Herc would actually take a request since we will be the ones here for 8 months.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    What about Faraday?

    by Super Nintendo Chalmers

    He's fucked out on that raft unless he transported with the island.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    immortals and whatnot

    by zom-bot.com

    some people are obviously immortals. sometimes i get a mount olympus 'gods with flaws' vibe from people, but mostly an atlantis/fountain of youth kind of theory. Clare is a godling, being the daughter of jack's dad, who is one of the island immortals, who got off and started living among the normal people at some point.Jack too, is special and doesn't know it.this ongoing wound has sort of a prometheus thing happening (he would be wounded and heal every day as punishment for bringing fire to the normal humans).Micheal was also an island original (a slave from the ship?) which is why walt is special.<P> lots of other things fit this theory, but what i can't figure out is if the original immortals want to segregate themselves on the island, and are calling everyone back who has forgotten who they used to be- or are they actively seeding themselves out into the real world since they can't have children of their own on the island? <P>also, skipping ahead, sawyer and juliet are 'adam and eve'.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    No one dies but some do

    by EvilWizardGlick

    I'm a bit confused on just how some can die, Boone, Ethan, and some can't Jacks dad and potentially Locke.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Schmott

    by Charlie Murphy

    you just blew my mind. thanks to you, the rest of my night will consist of me washing brain matter off my walls.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I only watch the show, too.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    How Widmore was "allowed" the island

    by davy jones owns

    so could widmore find the island because both michael and the red head (i somehow forgot her name) had both been there before? would it make sense that the island has been moved before, since Ben knew about the wheel?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    "He's dead JIn." - Dr. Leonard McCoy

    by Napoleon Park

  • May 29, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Thank god Ben didn't die

    by SilentP

    Man, I love Ben. I hope he's not going to be useless now that he can't get back to the island. I assume he'll have a lot to do in season 5, but season 6 is less certain, by then he might have accomplished (or failed at) everything he needed to do (get them back to the island and get back at widmore)...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by El Borak

    i figured most of that out, but why was it there? who built it? etc?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    very interesting zom-bot

    by redfishbluefish

    i kinda dig it.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    And no

    by edshrinker

    you can't boot me out from my 1st post. It is my 1st 1st. It might not be spectacular, but at least it is WE instead of ME.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    BIG Disappointment

    by FrodoFraggins

    I hadn't seen any spoilers for the finale but I was definitely let down. At least the story moved forward this season, there just wasn't a lot of drama. The flash forwards revealed too much and reduced the drama.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    but what happened to the other panda?

    by Napoleon Park

    Gotta love the ADD kids who need every question answered fight now. Okay, so it turns out Can he move the island and How can he move the island are two different questions: the answers are "yes" and "later, dude."<p>And oh boo hoo, we never found out how Keamy and the Frighter Fighters escaped from the Monster. Big Woo, like I'm gonna cry over that for eight months.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    the black rock

    by zom-bot.com

    one thing is for probably certain: the black rock is wrecked on the island far from shore because it was minding it's own business when the island appeared beneath it. anyone else think mccutcheon whiskey may be ambrosia or have some fountain of youth juice in it?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Jeremy Davies was awesome as Manson

    by ZeroCorpse

    He played Manson a couple times, but his best turn was in the modern HELTER SKELTER. If you grab the DVD, in the special features is the demo video of him practicing Manson, and it's fucking creepy. <p> As for LOST, I have to say I'm surprised by this episode. A lot of cool stuff happened, and it set the stage for a great season next year... But the people who say BSG isn't paying off need to watch this week's episode. It pays off, and it's an excellent episode.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    How did Locke die?

    by Fing Fang Foom

    How was it explained? Suicide? What did the newspaper clipping say? Cant remember...

  • May 29, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    A MacGuffin plus a Shout Out

    by Napoleon Park

    "Bentham" was a clever false clue, half McGuffin, half shout out. The first syllable is supposed to make us think it's Ben- in the box - I bought it and jumped when he spoke, sure. And the second syllable is an homage to one of Lost's most loyal and devoted fans, our very own Go-tham Night. Congrats, GN, you're a tiny scrap of Lost trivia now. Dude!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Does anyone have the link

    by Charlie Murphy

    to the extended press conference scene video? is there even a video of it? and zom-bot, you are no doubt 100% correctomundo.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    DarkUFO?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Not familiar with it. I decided to stay away from all the meta and spoiler sites that surround this show. In my opinion, it needs to be able to stand on its own.<P>FrodoFraggins - you hit the nail on the head - the flash forwards are making it too easy to see where the show is going. That's why I feel the element of surprise has been compromised.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Charlie Murphy

    by Schmott

    I think I only came up with that as a result of my own brain matter on the walls. Seriously, though...there are so many small pieces that haven't been explained, yet have been declared (somewhere) as being important...like the cave bodies. I really can't see Ben actually getting the chance to kill Penny. So to me, it's a better concept of Penny and Desmond ending up waaay back in time to Adam-and-Eve-it on the island.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    okay i'm starting to see.

    by El Borak

    A Bose–Einstein condensate (BEC) is a state of matter of bosons confined in an external potential and cooled to temperatures very near to absolute zero (0 K or −273.15 °C). Under such supercooled conditions, a large fraction of the atoms collapse into the lowest quantum state of the external potential, at which point quantum effects become apparent on a macroscopic scale.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    My favorite SOULFROLICKER spoiler

    by Napoleon Park

    was when Jack's appendix ruptured and blew up the ship. Wow, he sure got that right!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    What would be interesting...

    by br1947

    is if they shot 3 or 4 alternate endings to the series, and different ABC affiliates throughout the country aired different ones. Talk about creating an talkback cluster fuck!

  • May 29, 2008, 10:55 p.m. CST

    btw what song was Jack listening to??

    by zombieface

    scentless apprentice

  • May 29, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Nooo

    by edshrinker

    Penny and Des need to STAY clear of Widdy and the mainland. Wonder what will be up with those 2.<p> SPINOFF!<p> And<p> Where is the Best TV Dog the frelling world?!?!?!?

  • May 29, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Locke was well hung

    by Napoleon Park

    according to the newspaper clipping, but TPTB have stated the obituary was just a prop, not canon.

  • May 29, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I think I might have ADD...

    by seanny_d

    Because another TWO YEARS of this? I might end up certifiably insane by the end of it. I'm slightly concerned for my long term well-being. At least I'll be able to sleep tonight...unlike last year. What a mind fuck that was.

  • May 29, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    @ smackfu

    by BrokenHeath

    Ben doesn't know everything...he was pretty pissed when they killed his daughter.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    four toed statue.

    by zom-bot.com

    has anybody seen many bare feet on the show? do richard, jack's dad, ben, jack, or anybody else of mysterious imortance have four toes? do the atlantians have four toes? do the 'gods' have four toes? do the demigods, or titans have four toes? maybe it's not just that women on the island couldn't have babies, but that maybe women on the island couldn't have the babies of the 'gods'they were impregnated by: i.e., the curse of immortality and incompatible genetetics. in all the LOST theories i've read, no one has mentioned that zues raped and impregnated an earth woman...disguised as a SWAN.<P>this is taken from wiki: Leda was admired by Zeus, who raped her in the guise of a swan. As a swan, Zeus fell into her arms for protection from a pursuing eagle. Their consummation, on the same night as Leda lay with her husband Tyndareus, resulted in two eggs from which hatched Helen—later known as the beautiful Helen Of Troy, Clytemnestra, and Castor and Pollux (also known as the Dioscuri—also spelled Kastor and Polydeuces). Which children are the progeny of Tyndareus, the mortal king, and which are of Zeus, and are thus half-immortal, is not consistent among accounts, nor is which child hatched from which egg. The split is almost always half mortal, half divine, although the pairings do not always reflect the children's heritage pairings. Castor and Polydeuces are sometimes both mortal, sometimes both divine. One consistent point is that if only one of them is immortal, it is Polydeuces.<P> how many children does jack's dad have?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Here's a good way to kill a battery.

    by LordEnigma

    You put a small hole in it, and you pour a pepsi or a coke into it. It will kill the battery in no time. Also... if you have corrosion around the battery. The pepsi or coke will clean it off. Nevertheless... this show rules as well WALL-E!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    BIGGER problem with the radio transmitter:

    by greenstyle92

    They were so fucking far underground and the signal still got out? Bullshit.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS got it wrong

    by Napoleon Park

    All that stuff about "the big Kiss" being between Ford and Austen.<p>Forget the Ford/Austen kiss, forget the big climactic Hume/Widmore kiss. The BIG KISS (allcaps is not enough - add reverb to that) was Jack and Desmond and y'all know it. Go Team Jazzmond!<p>Poor Brighteyes, not only do Jack and Dez get the Big Kiss with reverb but Martin disparages Shephard's masculinity over his back-shooting abilities and his as always brilliant medical knowledge.<p>"Trust me, I know what I'm doing - I don't have to check his pulse, he has to be dead, I shot him two times in the body armor." This is what they teach kids in surgery school these days?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Song

    by siamesebee

    It was "Gouge Away" by The Pixies.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:03 p.m. CST

    My theory on how they get back to the island

    by Slugworth

    Somehow Ben knows how to time travel even when he's off the island. The O6 travel back in time, obstruct their former selves from getting on 815, and take their place on 815.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    by El Borak

    the island<br> <br>a bosenova is a very small, supernova-like explosion, which can be induced in a Bose–Einstein condensate (BEC) by changing the magnetic field in which the BEC is located, so that the BEC quantum wavefunction's self-interaction becomes attractive.<br> <br>In the particular experiment when a bosenova was first detected, this procedure caused the BEC to implode and shrink beyond detection, and then suddenly explode. In this explosion, about half of the atoms in the condensate seem to have disappeared from the experiment altogether, remaining undetected either in the cold particle remnants or in the expanding gas cloud produced.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I CALLED IT!! ISLAND #2 ALSO GOES BYE BYE

    by captain_kirk

    Yeah baby!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    OT'S A PLACE WHERE MIRACLES HAPPEN

    by Napoleon Park

    15 minutes after the episode ended, Herc had already changed the article quote from "Wait until you see what I'm about to do!" to 'Jack, i said all of them, even the dead Locke-in-the-box".<p>If he was going to give us a choice of what line we'd like to see up there for the next eight months, I'd vote for "It's a place where miracles happen."<p>Any other nominations?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Way better than lostfan108's spoilers

    by tbransonlives

    Yes, way better than it was made out to be.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I've finally faced the music and realized we

    by The_Squid

    aren't going to find out what Jacob until the end. So now the bigger question is why is Christian Jacob's press secretary?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Best lines...

    by br1947

    "If you mean time traveling bunnies, then yes..." <br><br>AND<br><br>"So?"

  • May 29, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    oh ok

    by BurgerKing

    I was thinking that but wasnt sure. I'll take your guys' words for it. Time is confusing.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    When Ben said...

    by ImperialMarchFace

    ..."I can help with that", or something close to that, regarding Kate "going back" to the island, it's because they're together. Gross. Michael is dead (hopefully), I can't believe Jin's alive/dead thing has to continue now. I'd bet he's alive. Is Claire dead or what? Where is Sayid taking Hurley? Where the hell is this show going to go in the next two years?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Forget Goth Claire, Preggo Claire,

    by Napoleon Park

    even creepy curled up in the corner Cabin Claire.<p>Spooky chubby-faced threatening nightmare Claire is now the official new uber-haut Knight Mayor of Dreamsville. "'Don't You DARE!' Claire" is HOT!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    jacob is locke

    by El Borak

    the shadow of jacob looked just like him. it's future locke.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    no time traveling

    by zom-bot.com

    i just remember the writers saying things wouldn't be explained away with time travel, and yet, they even use terms like time traveling bunnies and shit, like even having halliwax use 'space and time' in his video tonight. freaking liars.i don't mid that they had to hide the surprise element, but just don't lie, laugh and call us stupid for guessing it early.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    christian is totally jacob

    by BurgerKing

    He's the one who told John what to do, he's the one who told Michael his work was done, which is weird because Michael pretty much just killed the red shirts...and I guess the threat of the frieghter.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:17 p.m. CST

    And im glad those redshirts are gone. but....

    by BurgerKing

    now we have the Others redshirts. DAMNIT. They are always different people and it pisses me off how they just hang around waiting for a free ride home while the mains are busting their balls for rescue. Now that the dumbies from 815 are dead, we just have to wait until all of the hiding Others redshirts get blasted by Smokey or something.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    also locke controlling smokey. think bout it

    by BurgerKing

    Yes, it's true. Ben is gone, therefore Locke takes his place, Locke controls Smokey? I think we're gonna see some awesome monster stuff next year.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    answers for some of you

    by ArcadianDS

    blasting caps: they were wired in sequence. Desmond specifically pointed that out, and said if you attempt to remove one, "boom"<p> Marvin Candle: I thought the asian guy in the videos was Dr Martin Candle - he used a different name in this one, oh and did he have two arms? Im confused suddenly. Help!<p> Micheal cant die: I read Christian's line of "you can go home now" as a way of saying, "penance paid and accepted. Time to go see Jesus." and then BOOM<p> Claire likes twinkies and sodas: It would appear that she's eating much better now that she's off the island. Holy Wait-up-for-me-Hurley, Batman.<p> where go da Island?: its not cloaked. There was a depression in the ocean where the island used to be - which suggests that the island wasn't really part of any undersea mountain range or inert volcano. It was a 'berg' of some sort that was somehow anchored in its place.<p> The Rules: The person who moves the island has to leave? I got nothing on this other than it helps ensure that moving the island is a 'final option' because once you do, you're out of the club.<p> shifty eyes about: was it just me or were half of the people on the beach just firing stink eyes in every random direction? Faraday had this look of 'god i hate lying to people' when he walked away from Juliet. Then Juliet shot him a look of 'i seriously already know you're lying' later on after he hugged her goodbye.<p> last one becaues I could go all night here: island mumbles in reverse - so the voices are people who are working from the future back to the present (reversely) and because they are 'out of phase' ala Orchid, we cannot see them.<p> And this show seriously needs to own the Emmys or you can just cancel the award altogether.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Why could

    by edshrinker

    Locke Not have thrown on the transmitter so his heart beat would register?<p> Would have been worth a shot if all those lives were at stake. <p> And while Locke takes credit...didn't Ben do all the work to move the island? What did Locke do but watch another damn video? he could have You-Tubed that one from the Arrow sta...oh yeah. He blew that up too.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    and if they had a giant wheel...

    by BurgerKing

    Why did they build a big station that BLOCKED the wheel? Don't you think access to it would be valuable to research? Yeah, it would keep dumbies like Goodwin from sending the island to the future or something, but cmon, looks important. Lucky Ben is all knowing.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    a few thoughts...

    by captain_kirk

    1) Why does Keany's radio signal work from miles away, deep underground, near a magnetic anomaly, and through a temporal anomaly that bends time and space? 2) Why did Keany have the device strapped on his arm? To destroy the evidence lest he be killed? Why do that? 3) THat whole Desmond Charlie vision thing needs to be explained, cause I agree--Claire was nowhere on that ship. 4) Why does Claire demand that Kate NOT take him back? 5) How does Sawyer swim that fast? through an ocean, through an anomaly, and survive? 6) Isn't Faraday and the rest of his raft totally F*cked? 7) Why is Bat Manuel so eager to accept Locke as his new leader if Locke has repeatedly failed tests: most recently he failed the "kill daddy" test. He also failed the "which of these is already yours" test. 8) Why is Jacob so pissed off at Ben? 9) Why does everybody need to return to the island?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Loved Ben and Locke bringing the funny

    by tbransonlives

    "Time travelling bunnies.", "Is this the magic box.", "Couldn't find the anthoriums could you." Also Locke watching Ben put metal objects in the vault while the tape was explaining that it is a no-no.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    alright science, explain how:

    by zom-bot.com

    having your teleportwhatever booth located behind a wall,up a rickety ladder and tunnel from the element that can teleport your ISLAND, gets enough residual energy tomove a bunny through space time, without turning a wheel.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    So is Walt waiting for his dad?

    by Billyeveryteen

    'Cause he was dismissed, and went BOOM!<p>Hurly should've told 'em.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    So Claire does not want Aaron to go back to the island.

    by LordEnigma

    That's good to know. We also now know that Juliet and Sawyer have a red-headed daughter that just happens to be able to skip through time some how.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I loved

    by Napoleon Park

    Ben putting folding chairs and trash containers in the magic box while the video specifically said not to, and Locke's look of consternation as he did it. "didn't you hear him specifically say not to do that?"<p>Lost is not really the funniest show on TV, but that came very close to a LOL moment.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    How did Sawyer beat the helicopter to the island?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Yeah, he had a head start, but still, swimming a mile or so as compared to a helicopter flyover...?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Juliet and Sawyer's daughter?

    by memento108

    Did I miss something? Can someone fill me in?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    polar bear in tunisia

    by d-bob8

    Maybe that bear skeleton the red head found in tunisia at the beginning of this season was what was left of one of the polar bears that was running loose on the island. It found that wheel room, or some other "anomaly room" looking for someplace cold. Seems that this would help support the writers knew where they were going with the story.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    yeah I voted for that one before Nap

    by Maniaq

    before the ep aired, after the previews Heerc linked to - way better than Herc's new choice, I agree! <p> So... does anyone think Locke might be dead the same way Bunny Rabbit #15 is dead?<p> as in yes I'm dead - and yet I'm also here...

  • May 29, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    and claire

    by d-bob8

    did maybe a "ghost" claire get on the copter with aaron, maybe thats what desmond saw

  • May 29, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    i think penny is still helping out daddy

    by zom-bot.com

    intentionally or not.just saying. i'm sure she loves desmond and all, but if you think daddy doesn't track her boat, and keep up with shit, well...

  • May 29, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    What "loose ends"?

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Other than the four toed statue and Jacob, I can't think of much left unexplained from previous seasons. The story is progressing like any other. I think you people are confused and have forgotten how to think. Because every episode almost ends with some humdinger of a twist or whatever you think that there are all these "mysteries" to it, but really if you pay attention you can find at least a possible explanation for everything.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Not missing something as much as missing a statement...

    by LordEnigma

    Miles tells Charolette that she has been on the island before. Charolette tells Farraday that she's looking for where she was born. While James and Juliet are sitting next to one another on the beach. If you put two and two together... it seems to make four.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    EXPLAIN THE 4-TOED STATUE ALREADY

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Didn't someone promise an explanation of that within the last three episodes? F me!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...."I'M SICK.....OF LYING!"

    by Cletus Van Damme

    It had to be said. :)

  • May 29, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    by Thunderbolt Ross

  • May 29, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    I hope Locke's death isn't just a cheap gimmick

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    I am a little upset, he was my favorite, but I do hope it's not just a cheap gimmick for a quick holy shit moment for the end of this season. I mean, it wouldn't have been much of an ending compared to previous ones without it, though it was still a good finale. I hope his death ends up really meaning something, otherwise it seems like a waste for the most interesting character on the show. Killing him off just to get Jack-ass back to the island he couldn't appreciate or understand to begin with?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    so many loose ends:

    by zom-bot.com

    four toed statue<P>jacob<P>smoke monster (only partially explained so far)<P>adam and eve<P>temple, ruins, wall carvings, old wheel, glyphs, stones, need i go on?<P>candle/halliwax/etc living backwards, appearing younger and with arm in later films, older and armless in earlier films<P>selective healing properties<P> the true origin of the others<P> um...yeah, and lost more.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it but

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    whoever said Jack is Jacob is probably right. I only hate to say it because there's no surprise now.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    LOTS more oops, but anagram anyway

    by zom-bot.com

  • May 29, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Can we all just...

    by vlad.e

    appreciate "There's No Place Like Home" for what it was? A spectacular, rewarding three hours of television and a brilliant set-up for the concluding seasons of the series. That said...I think there was a lot more set into motion tonight than most people seem to realize. I am starting to think that Locke is dead because he was never meant to take control of the island, and Jack was never supposed to leave because he is who the island intended to take over for Ben. Both characters, in doing what they feel is right, have essentially been battling their respective fates to the point of catastrophe. And with the end of season 4, we are now at the turning point, from which everyone will be drawn back towards their fate, perhaps the one decided by the mysterious Jacob.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    zom-bot.com

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    Almost all of those are tied into The "Others" that they could answer with an episode dedicated to them. And what loose ends about the "selective healing properties?" We know about it. Locke is some chosen guy, he can walk, Jack tries to leave the island his appendix burst. This happens because the island is "a place where miracles happen," what more do we need there?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    excuse my punctuation

    by Maniaq

    reads like "I voted before you did, Nap" when I just meant "I voted before, Nap"

  • May 29, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    i love how the recap show pop-ups are so....

    by zom-bot.com

    PAINFULLY idiotic. 'this episode is called 'there's no place like home'...which is an homage to wizard of oz. wizard of oz was also a story about returning from a strange and fanstastic (sic) land'...<P>uh..DUH, if we don't know that, can ABC just come over and wipe my ass and flip me over in bed, because i think i am fucking retarded.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    All who are saying Charlie died in vein...

    by Wolfman Nards

    Maybe the helicopter he saw her getting on isn't a helicopter we've seen yet... Like as in whenever they return to the island. I don't think they would have made a continuity error that big.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    BEST LINE "Checkmate Mr. Ecko" WTF!! Sheer Joy

    by MrInsidious

    I cant believe more people aren't talking about that line! Ecko was in the top 3 coolest characters and still is as far as Im concerned and he's coming back!? To me that was the greatest line in the show. Holy shit ladies and gentlemen!

  • May 29, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    vlad.e

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    You nailed it re: Jack and Locke. What's especially satisfying about it is that it's a theme that's been going on since the very beginning.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the four toed statue created just to fuck with us?

    by The_Squid

    Someone mentioned that prick jj abrams said the statue is just a mindfuck.

  • May 29, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    the van episode

    by zom-bot.com

    everybody shits on that one, but it had some good moments. it also raise the question/error of how the van got uphill and far away from where it all went down with ben and the gas- and what was with all the crumpled papers inside? they weren't there when they were loading the van, but were there when the gang discovered it. somebody (rosseau?) live in the van for a while? ben hang out and make leadership notes afterwards? wtf?

  • May 29, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    if the staue is a mindfuck

    by zom-bot.com

    then fuck them. that is too big of a mindfuck. something that immense- literally and impactively (a word?) would just be cruel, lazy and just plain..sucky.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    agree a bit with ya, drturing

    by zom-bot.com

    i don't have the hate yet, but i am pissed they used time travel whrn they said they wouldn't, and we have yet to even see all the time travel they are about to drop on us.<P>it's almost like after season 2 they started trollin the fan boards and AICN talkbalks for ideas , and then lie to us when we guess right. the lynch pen, time/space travel- is now fully admitted. and there don't look to be any more major secrets. the rest is just mopping up and explaining the small bits, and the final overall mythos of jacob, etc.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    let's not forget

    by vlad.e

    the opening. how awesome was it that this finale picked up at the EXACT MOMENT the previous season ended. I've seen that sort of continuity from a finale to the next season's premiere, but to allow an entire season to elapse before continuing the scene is just the sort of narrative innovation that we've come to expect from Team Darlton.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    I think they could make such a contintuity error.

    by greenstyle92

    Lost is only about half, (or maybe a third) written in stone. That is, they've known the broad strokes from the beginning. They've always know what the "deal" with island is. (although I think it's been adjusted. I think the "no time travel" comments meant they knew they were fucking with time but were avoiding overt time travel, except OOPS! over time travel!) They know what the smoke monster is, they know who the skeletons were, they know how Jack, Locke, and Aaron were supposed to be significant. They may even have known Christian Shepard's importance all along too, what with an early season 1 episode heavily hinting he was back from the dead, then hushing it up all the way until now, when it's been Christian Mania. <br> <br> But I think a lot has been improvised along the way too. They already admitted Ben has been given a much bigger role than originally intended, and it's pretty fucking clear that there were big things in store for Walt and the Tailies but BOTH things for one reason or another turned out to be huge abortions, (ESPECIALLY the tailie stuff. remember them pimping how this was a show about two groups of survivors, except all but Bernard have died?) I could totally see things like Desmond's visions and Charlie's sacrifice having one significance at the time they were written and then getting changed later. And hey, the four toed statue really could have just been there to fuck with us, but they may find a way to explain it.<br> <br> I hope that, by the end, they find a way to answer nearly everything to satisfaction. The fact that I feel pretty confident I know fully what the Dharma Initiative was all about when they used to be this huge fucking mystery gives me hope.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST

    I think that at the end...

    by greenstyle92

    After the last episode airs and disappoints everyone, (no matter how good, it's just bound to happen, it's historical precedent,) they publish a huge coffee table book called "Lost, the whole story" where they sit down and explain, in granular detail, all that went into making the lost mysteries, and how the show evolved, stuff like, "Here's where we intended for the show to go in season 1, and you can see how close we stuck to it, but here's where we changed it. This is what we originally intended for Ana Lucia and Ecko, but here's why it went down the way it did. Here's the whole time line of the island" kind of stuff. I mean, if they were mean spirited, they could put that in a LOST full series Blue Ray Omnibus, but I think a book would be better.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    another simple question

    by zom-bot.com

    when the dharma initiative first blossomed from a university program to a fully funded scientific outpost and operation....who donated them the island? what territory claims the island? how did they find the island? did the builders of the stations, the founders, and the initiative already know about the island and the ancient machinery beforehand or did they just luck out? the biggest question is how did all that crap get there, who let them on the island. because to put it all there, someone had to find it/know about it. maybe this has been answered, if so, help me out, but it's the biggest and most simple question i've yet to see answered.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    tell me what happened to your eyes...

    by Napoleon Park

    Well, I went to this Lost Tv show fan website called "JinIsAlive!.com" and signed up for this contest and wrote a 35 words or less essay on why I thought the character of Jin was still alive.<p>A couple weeks later I got an e-mail saying I won and I had to give them my address so they could deliver my present.<p>The next day these two writers, Damon Lindelhof and Carlton Cuse and this actor Daniel Dae Kim showed up at my house with my prize. It was one of those two bowl metal pet dishes with a side for food and a side for water.<p>They forced me into my kitchen and tied me to a chair. They asked me "Did you see the grave, did you see the toomstone? Did you see the widow cry?" I said "Jin can't be dead!"<p>They said "Did you see Ausiello's open ended spoiler that three of the original series regulars would die in that episode? Can you count to three? Did you see that Michael, Jin and Locke were the three he was talking about?" I said "No, Jin can't be dead!"<p>They said "did you see all the C-4. Did you hear Desmond say it could blow up am aircraft carrier? Did you see Jin ON the freighter after the helicopter took off? Did you see the freighter explode, the entire surface of the deck engulfed in flames? Did you see the freighter sink?" "Jin is alive!" I yelled.<p>"Did you see the chopper circle around where the freighter sank and there were no life rafts and no one in the water?" They shouted at me. "Do you realize there were no survivors from that freighter explosion except the people who were on that helicopter?" They were screaming now and they seemed exasperated as I replied "Jin is not dead!"<p>They turned the pet food dish around and there, engraved in the metal, were the words "Jin is dead". They asked if I could read it and tried to get me to say it and when I wouldn't they got really mean and accused me of being illiterate or stupid.<p>They filled one of the bowls with luke warm tap water and disolved a quarter cup of sea salt in it. They they open a can of cat food and put it in a frying pan and seared it on high heat until it was charred black and stank and the room was all smokey, then they put the hot burnt catfood in the water and then squished it around and rubbed it on my face. All the while the writers were yelling "this is Jin - burnt meat soaked in salt water. He's dead, Jin is dead!" They were screaming in my ears like they were really angry.<p>Then the actor took a big handful of it and rubbed it in my eyes and the salt made my eyes sting and he was screeching "this is me! Charred black burnt dead meat! Dead! Jin is so fucking dead and I'm out of a job but I have to sit around for two years and wait in case they need me for a flashback. I'm fucking DEAD!!!"<p>And that's how I went blind, doctor.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Charlotte's Birth

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    If Charlotte is time displaced and was born to character we already know, Locke is the only one who (once) had red hair.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    a few thoughts...again...

    by captain_kirk

    First, the time travel thing...come on, they harness the island's time travel abilities and the only thing Dharma can do is send a bunny 4 milliseconds into the future? Believe me, time travel doesn't explain all of this. The 4 toed statute? Come on, how do u know that the statue didn't originally have 5 toes..or that the original foot didn't lose a toe. And we still don't know how many toes Bat Manuel has. 3)Frank Lapidus...I hope he comes back

  • May 30, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    hanso

    by zom-bot.com

    to answer a bit of my own question, i know the hanso foundation had a hand in it, but what would they have to gain by giving dharma the island?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    four toes- this is why

    by zom-bot.com

    http://images.lostpedia.com/images/3/32/Foot-statue.jpg it was MADE with four toes. one big toe, three medium toes. no breakage. no extra width. and the more i look at it, the more it looks like an evolved animal foot. four toes in front and maybe a fifth toe or dew claw around the side or back we can't see. hmmmm SPECULATE!

  • May 30, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    How did Locke die?

    by Fing Fang Foom

    Throw me a friggin bone here people.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    bringing up Bentham

    by vlad.e

    I assume that Locke will be assigned the Bentham moniker somewhere between his coronation as the new island king and his sparsely attended viewing at Hoffs/Drawlar. But what is the nature of this name? It's used in the newspaper's obituary, so it isn't just a codename adopted by the O6. How did Kate and Hurley know exactly who Jack was referring to?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    I also loved

    by Napoleon Park

  • May 30, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    I also loved

    by Napoleon Park

    Hurley's sarcastic reply to Jack. "Unless we, like, overlooked it or something, he moved it, dude."

  • May 30, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Fake endings tomorrow on ABC

    by greenstyle92

    Problem shot with different people in the casket at the end to throw us off. So, for the guessing, the fakes are:<br> <br> Sawyer<br> Juliet<br> Hurley (implying Sayid killed him)<br> Richard Alpert<br> Desmond<br> Clair<br> Aaron<br> The #15 Bunny, grown to man size with a fixed dead smile on it's face.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    A bone for Fing

    by Napoleon Park

    if you laid in a closed coffin for a year, you'd die too.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    So, the frozen Donkey move the island wheel...

    by greenstyle92

    Was that Dharma, or pre-Dharma? if pre-Dharma, then who?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Eye... uh no.

    by LordEnigma

    Look at James' hair colour. It's very plausible. It also makes the most sense in terms of what Josh and Elizabeth look like in comparison to Rebecca.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Where was Grunberg?

    by frakthetoasters

    The invisible text said Grunberg showed up in a flashback. When was that? Did I miss it?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    How did Locke Die? Caution may be funny maybe not

    by frakthetoasters

    Locke died because the Island broke up with him. The Island said that they had fun for a while but then it got predictable. Once the Island got drunk-high on pina coladas and Red Bull and let slip that Benjamin always lasted longer than Locke ever could, which made Locke so angry that he shaved. Then the Island kicked Locke out onto the beach, changed all the locks on its secret Dharma bases and had its numbers changed because Locke wouldn't stop text messaging.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Charlotte is just a former other...

    by greenstyle92

    or former dharma. Or former team rosseau. she is not a time warp baby. Time warp on this show has reached that level yet. (on the other hand, a whole island did just disappear, to who knows where... or when...)

  • May 30, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Blink and you Miss Claire Bear

    by frakthetoasters

    One of the crime's of tonight's season finale that there wasn't enough Claire. I know she's in the cabin in the woods with her estranged and slightly dead father possibly enjoying some serious good weed (she was way too happy the last time we saw her. Probably found some Dharma Initiative Twinkies swiped from Hurley's backpack). Only two lines? More Australian next season please.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    frak...

    by greenstyle92

    don't announce what you have to say is intended to be funny, cause it kills the humor. Although, I admit, I did still think "changing the locks on the Dharma Stations" was funny...

  • May 30, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Sayid could've diffused the bomb

    by frakthetoasters

    If he had time Sayid would've diffused the bomb. He's got skills.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    "DON'T YOU DAYH-RUH!"

    by greenstyle92

    "TAKE MUH BAYBUH BACK THEY-UH!"

  • May 30, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST

    younger ben

    by zom-bot.com

    i thought that ben looked way younger and healthier in the funeral parlor too. his face looked far smoother...i mean i know he's looked a little haggard from running around the jungle and getting knocked around these past few 'sodes, but he totally looked...different somehow tonight in the parlor.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    What's really on the island...

    by strangecan

    I think the FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH is on the island in some form or fashion. Whitmore was one of the original members of the Black Rock. He is immortal (or has at least extended his life from the fountain). It was his own journal that he was purchasing at the auction when we saw him a few episodes ago in Desmond's time-travel episode. Ben probably moved the island when he became the leader of the Others and Whitmore wants to get back so he can either re-immortalize his life; or maybe he's tired of being immortal and he wants to go back to the island to remove the curse of immortality.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Sayid would have made love to the bomb.

    by greenstyle92

    they would have cuddled, then the bomb would have snuck to the bathroom and tried to blow up when sayid wasn't looking. but Sayid would'a knifed the bomb in the back and then did a break dance to kill it's detonator. That's Sayid's style.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Claire

    by lordgrimplemort

    Is the actress for Claire pregnant in real life? She looked like she's put on a few pounds since the last episode. And does she really not want Aaron to go back to the island or is that just some island trickery? I guess it's assumed that it was her ghost or time/space traveling self in Kate's house but remember Eko's brother saying that he wasn't really his brother right before turning into Smoke monster (I assume) and killing him. Are any of the ghost people or Walt/Claire type appearances actually the person they claim to be?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    spoilers!

    by greenstyle92

    The island is in the middle of lake michigan now!

  • May 30, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Great Finale! The Cheif Weighs In...

    by Cheif Brody

    Ok...Loved that beginning switch-a-roo flash forward tip of the hat to last season's finale...with Kate bitch slappin druggy Jack. So...right after that scene...he drove to Hoffs for his peek-a-boo with Locke/Bentham...and his nice chat with Benjiman....love that bookend 2 hours later. <p> So Christian released Michael from is island curse...he redeems himself...by replacing the 2 lives he took in Ana & Libby with Sun & Jin...ooops! Oh well...Glad Harrold Perrineau got the chance to come back and give Michael some closure....but seemed like a lil bit of a waste...which could be attributed to the 3 episodes we lost to the writer's strike. <p> Speaking of which...THEY WERE GONNA TELL THIS SAME STORY ARC WITH 3 MORE EPISODES?!!! Kinda glad the strike happened! Can't see much more we needed fleshed out...maybe a lil peek at where Claire headed off to. <p> Speakin of which...In complete agreement with those of you peeved that Chaw-lee may have died in vain. I guess Des's vision of Claire's rescue has just been "delayed"...otherwise...the writer's have committed a huge ass gaffe, IMO. <p> LOVED the Sayid vs Keamy kick ass fight. Think both of them were a lil surprised they had each met their match. Glad it wasn't Alpert killing Keamy...but Ben getting Alex's revenge...But still...in agreement again with those who found the Keamy shows up alive n well at the Orchid...then proceeds to pull the "James Bond Villain" mistake of explaining too much...then letting his gaurd down...a trained bad ass mercenary taking OFF his Kevlar? I'm sorry...that was the worst scene of the finale by far. <p> Loved Team Alpert's taking of the helicopter firefight...and the return of the tazer darts. <p> I thought the Des n Penny reunion was well done...Those kids are gonna have it rough soon, tho. Can't wait to see the Desmond/Sayid standoff when it's time to take out Penny. Will he turn on Ben?...ala Vadar on Palpatine? <p> OK...My theories that were completely killed by the finale. (Yes...I'm admitting my ERRORS...Not my correct guesses!) <p> 1. Nobody forced them to lie! I had predicted that Oceanic/Widmore would have held the lives of those who stayed behind hostage, in return for the 0-6 survivors silence. In a way...that IS what is happening...but the "lie" was all Jack's idea!! <p> 2. Saywer didn't die. Totally thought that boy was gonna eat it tonight. Guess they still need a hunk on the island next season....am I correct, ladies? <p> 3. Michael ain't in that coffin! Wow...I so thought he would be in there. Oh well...blown to tiny bits works ok for me, too. RIP Ana & Libby. <p> 4. Vincent never appeared in the finale. That sucked ass! <p> Ok...gotta hit the hay. Thought it was great...not as mindblowing as last seasons'...but...fer cryin out loud...how were they gonna top the first forward flash?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    younger ben...

    by nora inu

    My wife thought he looked younger too. I don't think so, he just looked like he'd finally had a couple years of off island living and, more importantly, hadn't had the shit kicked out of him in a while for once.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    the most shocking revelation

    by vlad.e

    BeardyJack's a Pixies fan! I always kind of figured him for a DMB, classic-rock AOR kind of guy myself. But apparently having the deaths of innocent people weighing on you steers you toward the indie rock.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    too many questions.. again!

    by theredtoad

    hey i fixed my t.v. before 9! sweet! anyways.. The island left a pretty huge wake in its...wake. Could that be the tsunami?<p>One must wonder, how did that frozen donkey wheel get there? Dharma? really people? I'm having trouble understanding the mechanisms and the physical..physics of the wheel itself.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Redshirts all dead? Hold up there Kenny Rogers.

    by Napoleon Park

    Regarding the theory that all the survivors of Flight 815 - all the minor players, extras, background players and red shirts - are now dead, may not be quite accurate.<p>There were five redshirts in Locke's camp - three we saw killed on screen by snipers and two - Steve and an unnamed female - who were abandoned. They may have been killed by Keamy's mercs or not.<p>Cindy the stewardess was taken captive by the others and was last seen on the other island taking care of the kidnapped tail section children Zach and Emma.<p>Juliet said she wouldn't leave the island until everyone else was off - that doesn't mean everyone else was off. Actually, it implies the opposite. The people on the freighter were seen putting on life vests and readying life rafts but were not seen in the water as the freighter sank - probably dead. Farady and the group on Faraday's raft was not seen as the raft sank - but they were already off and they also weren't shown sinking, so they may be alive.<p>So as many as five 815ers from Faraday's raft, three tailie redshirts taken captive by the Others and two 815ers from Locke's group who were not shown being killed all MAY be alive. That's approximately ten. More IF any were still with Juliet, charlotte and Miles. They may ALL be dead, they may all be alive - no proof has been provided to support either conjecture.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Huh?

    by Fing Fang Foom

    I guess it wasn't revealed then since obviously you dont know. Or maybe you forgot like me? Yes, the island broke up with him but lets get specific, if you can. Anybody? Surely somebody can school us all. Thanks.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Bentham, wasn't it obvious?

    by cyrent

    Jeremy Bentham was a historical English philosopher influenced in part by John Locke. Knowing this fact, it was immediately obvious that Locke was using Bentham as his persona while off-island as the head of the Others.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham

    by BristowBoy

    As always, every name Cuse and Lindelof choose means something. If you wikipedia Mr. Bentham, you'll discover that he was a philosopher who advocated for utilitarianism- "the moral worth of an action is solely determined by its contribution to overall utility in maximizing happiness or pleasure as summed among all persons. It is thus a form of consequentialism, meaning that the moral worth of an action is determined by its outcome—the ends justify the means." Sounds like John Locke (another noted philosopher's name) to me.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    mccutcheon whisky and immortality.

    by zom-bot.com

    here's some points to ponder. mccutcheon whisky was his 'crowning achievement'. there is no real admiral mccutcheon, but one was a minor character in a movie version of 20,000 leagues under the sea. which had a book sequel called 'the meysterious island' in which"Throughout their stay on the island, the group has to overcome bad weather, and eventually adopts and domesticates an orangutan, Jupiter, abbreviated to Jup."<P> fast forward to LOST again-"Another "Active Projects" link, the Hanso Life-Extension Project link, displayed a press release dated September 21, 2005 regarding the life-extension of an orangutan named "Joop" celebrating its 105th birthday." <P>whidmore taunts desmond with mccutcheon, several times people drink it on the island. charlie is one, he dies but is seen again. isn't it also the drink of choice by whidmore's bedside when been comes to threaten penny's life? (i need to rewatch that one to know for sure)

  • May 30, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Michael's reason for not dying

    by lordgrimplemort

    It hit me a little after the show that Michael didn't really do much good by staying alive until now, but then I thought of something. He didn't save many lives, because apparently everyone on the boat dies. And if he hadn't slowed down the explosion, the chopper people would have seen the boat blow up from the distance before they arrived so saving them wasn't his purpose either. The only thing I can think of is that by slowing it down he saved Desmond, Sun and Aaron, which makes me think that in the end Aaron is going to be a huge part of the show, going back to Claire and what the psychic told her. After Aaron left on the chopper, the island let Michael die. Does anyone else think of anything he did that the island kept him alive for?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Time Travel

    by Adelai Niska

    I think maybe there are 2 Lockes- one on the island and one off (like that video from the orchid with the 2 bunnies)

  • May 30, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Ben

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Ben no longer has the burden of leadership off island. he is also no longer being shot with a crossbow, tortured by Sayid, suffering from cancer, being beaten by jack, being beaten by sawyer, being beaten by Rouseeau, being beaten by jack some more, and having Keamy bonk him with a gun. stopping all that works wonders for health and vitality. <P> Whether Charlotte is a time traveler or not, she must be integral to the bad things that are going to happen. Either that or Jacob is angry Jack left. maybe both.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    maybe ben can't go back to the island because.....

    by zom-bot.com

    ben in america is his own second bunny. if he comes in contact with the identical ben in a parka still on the island after the teleportation- who knows what would happen. shit blowed up real good? universe collapsing? cats and dogs, living together? i bet ben in america would be so eveil as to want someone to go kill original ben on the island so he could go back. it's 2am, i'm going crazy.

  • May 30, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    HEY!! POLAR BEARS!!!

    by drchristopherlee

    Remember the one in Tunisia? Did "they" use it to move the island last time? The leather collar attached to the wheel, the bears are trained for a simple task, plus they are built for the cold. If you train them right, no one has to leave and the island is moved. Ben woke up in the Sahara after turning the wheel, could have been Tunis.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    no time travel yet?

    by bobbywatts

    Can anyone think of any one thing in the show that is definetly time travel? Allot of it could be the spawning of alternate time lines, wich is different, but he did say he was going to send the rabit 100 miliseconds ahead, right? BUT!! we did NOT see it happen.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    the "bad things"

    by bobbywatts

    the volcano exploding..for sure

  • May 30, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    4 toe'd statue

    by barfydog

    Did the producers put the 4 toe'd statue in as a private joke that's gotten blown way out of proportion? Yay Lakers!!!

  • May 30, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    web link

    by des.nibelung

    http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/ is a dharma initiative recruiting site for something in SD in july

  • May 30, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    hurley fat jokes

    by rockness

    have really begun to disappoint me. why do they go there constantly? the show already has enough humor and good stuff. i just don't get it. the show is about how everyone has a weakness so why single one out as a jester? i mean it's fine ultimately whatever. it just seems base and declasses the show a bit. i don't need to feel like a mean fifth grader is editing/writing my favorite show. otherwise. great of course. cliffhanger a bit of a letdown but the rest a bit up a let..up.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST

    So which baby has four toes?

    by Phil Connors

    I wonder...

  • May 30, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    I agree, Bobby W

    by Napoleon Park

    for all the discussion of time travel here in this talkback, I don't remember one single clear example of time travel being used in his episode. We've seen Desmond psychically in touch with his past self, but there's never been any actual physical time traveling. Just a bunch of talk backers seeing what they want to see.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Hold on...

    by LordEnigma

    Charolette is only there because she's looking for -- or has found -- her birth place. Again... she's been there before. I doubt she's responsible for anything bad happening. The bad happening may have to do with Widmore doing more shenanigans, Locke beign a shit leader, or general island bullshit. The Island is a pisser. However... you fellas and gals need to remember that Charolette found a Polar Bear FOSSIL earlier this season. So this show is on that level of time travel. It has hit ludicrous speed!

  • May 30, 2008, 1:14 a.m. CST

    IT WAS A GOOD FINALE BUT NO MINDF*CK

    by eoneon

    i was satisfied with the finale tonight,but i expected another "game changer" i knew it had to be Locke....sob sob... in the coffin,who else could it be??? i was kinda hopin all the freighties would die instead of dragging on into next season. there were some cool moments,esp w Ben and Locke,but all in all no real WTF? holy shit! moments. i may just be spoiled cuz the other 3 finales were all better imo.i like the show more when thew show leaves you w something to ponder over until next week(or season) i also wanted to see Abaddon. i'm not upset,but i still expected a bit more.maybe i'm mad cuz Locke is the best character on the show,and Jack(ass) is pissing me off

  • May 30, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    I'm shocked it's LOCKE.

    by nopix

    Everyone talked about this possibilty. But I just didn't see it happening. He can't walk off the Island....or can he? When he comes back with Jack and the gang will it be a surrogate Lock like Christian?

  • May 30, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    And did Michael really die?

    by nopix

    I hope we see more of him.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    hey Ed!

    by Maniaq

    please seed!

  • May 30, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion is dead-uh bahdee...and the other thing

    by MacFaux

    Super epy. And Nathan Fillion is not dead..but occurs, his character, the Miami-Dade cop, Kate (er, Monica's) husband must be..cause if you know cops and their kids. He wouldn't quit.<br><br> When the reporter confirmed Kate's prego timeline at the press conference.."so, you were six months pregnat when the marshal brought you back"..Kate's ex-husband would have been thinking ..'My Kid'..and scurried off with lawyers, pals, and paternity tests or some such combo of the three. The fact that he didn't, must mean he met his end in a hail of bullets or the front end of a bus or some twisted Kate revelation. Cause he would have gone and got his boy. Mentioned this after 'Eggtown'..but seems worth mention again..Cause If he lives, Him (or anyone)soon coming to take the kid would be the one thing to get Kate running again towards La isla Mysterio..just starting the spec'ing of Season 5..The return of Patrolman K-dog. Bank it. Bet it tell your fingers bleed from the goof who called Sawyer's helo jump way way fore any other.<br><br> @ Xiphos..per your query 2..affirm, something of that nature.<br><br> As for AquaSawyer..it is 'easy' open ocean swim in shore off out tide from 2k in about 20-25 min (done it)..so that seemed be shown in real time.<br><br> In memoriam to Sydney Pollack, Penny and Des on a boat..<br><br>"like Yasser fuckin Arafat..never a night in the same port." - Joey Morolto.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST

    They've pretty much established what next season will be

    by chaseguy17

    Half the show will be the 3 year later scenario involving largely with Ben vs. Whidmore. Ben will go after Penny and Desmond while Jack tries to convince Hurley and Kate to go back. Sun will likely be in the middle of all of this. While this is going on we will have island flashbacks that lead up to Locke eventually leaving the island and getting killed. Sawyer and Juliet will start a fling and Charlotte will start to learn about her past. Most likely Charlotte is "Annie" the girl who gave Ben the doll when they were younger. Miles likely figured this out because he can speak with the dead, and "Annie's" parents likely died in the infamous dharma gasout. Jin is clearly still alive and was likely brought back by Faraday and the raft. So all of these pieces will come together leading to the finale next year. The finale next year will probably start immediately from a previous week's cliffhanger with locke off the island and moments away from his death. While this is going on, Ben, Jack, Kate Desmond and everyone will be about ready to somehow make it back to the island. The final minutes will involve discovering how Locke died and then seeing the oceanic 6, ben, lapidus, desmond and others finally making it back to the island. everyone will be waiting for kate to see sawyer, Sun to discover Jin is alive and everyone to have this huge reunion....well that will wait till season 6. big cliffhanger will show Locke's murderer and the big reunion will get everyone excited and geared up for the last season, with everyone back together again. That pretty much sums up next season I would guess.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The Island is the source of all life on Earth

    by thejwac

    I called it.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Widmore Losties Vs. Ben Losties

    by Lashlarue

    This war will be glorious!

  • May 30, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Stay all day ... if you want too..

    by Quin the Eskimo

    Holy shit. Not Locke.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    This was lame

    by geraldbeans

    This is the first cliffhanger where everybody knows exactly what's going to happen. We're going to get back to the island, and Locke's going to be alive again. Big freakin whoop. The only cool thing about this episode were the Mayan pictures on the island moving basement wall. I like that this Island's mythology just keeps going back further and further.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST

    Like a car accident, I can't look away but...

    by RetroActive

    this show is just a bad magic trick. Any time you get close to learning anything, another slight of hand...The Hatch, The Others, Henry Gale...er...I mean...Ben Linus, The other Others who don't age, Jacob, Penny's Dad, The Freighter-People-Others, The Smoke, Darma, Dead Darma People who were jerks in the Green Mile, Jacob's agents Claire & Jack's Dad. Get to the point already! Seriously, what have we learned? Nothing. Except that after an early episode in which Sayid & Jin fought sloppily, they have both now emerged as masters of martial arts. Other than that...nothing. But I keep watching. Damn it.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST

    "I meant..."

    by RetroActive

    "sleight of hand"...must sleep now. Eyes and brain failing.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST

    How to people get to

    by Napoleon Park

    "Jin is clearly still alive and was likely brought back by Faraday and the raft."<p>Jin was on the freighter with enough C4 to sink an aircraft carrier, he was seen on the deck after the helicopter took off, the ship exploded, the deck was consumed with flames, the freighter sank, no one was seen in the water as the chopper flew away, Sun saw him die, later she visited his grave, read his tombstone and openly wept in despair. How does that possibly translate to "obviously still alive?'

  • May 30, 2008, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Octagon Global Recruiting???

    by Hovitos2k

    Did anyone else catch this commercial? Octagon Global Recruiting will be in San Diego July 24-27. That's COMIC CON week!!! Check out the website and it's a dharma site... Just what is going on here people??? Are they doing some weird promo thing? Anyone know anything about this?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:08 a.m. CST

    My only disappointment with this episode

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    When Keamy walks into the orchid, holding that knife, bragging about killing Ben's daughter, then it gets all quiet.... and mother fucking John "knife dude" LOCKE steps out of the darkness, well I was hoping for one badass showdown epicass duel there. "Who are you?" "I'm John Locke, survivor of 815 and protector of this island. You, friend, are a fucking DEAD MAN." Yeah a little disappointed there, especially if it turns out Locke is dead for real forever dead nothing more than a cameo as a ghost occassionally thing dead. What a great send off that would have been for him. Yeah, it's great that he's not a Jack-ass who goes for violence and guns at every opportunity but it wouldn't have been completely out of character either, especially with the kind of person Keamy is.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Emilie de Ravin looked preggers for real

    by Dingbatty

    this season. Why she kept carrying stuff in front of her, or was filmed from the collar up or from behind. Sun's baby will probably look half black -- remember her odd encounter with Michael in the mobisode, and why did she make a point of telling him she was pregnant? Though her relatives back home wouldn't be pleased, given the racism there.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Elegant Simple Answers

    by Napoleon Park

    I can actually see how some of the people who prefer reading spoilers to watching drama unfold might have felt disappointed in this. They are looking for deep complex complicated explanations and mind numbing WTF moments. Sometimes the obvious is so obvious it isn't as surprising as one might hope for.<p>"Why are the Oceanic Six lying, who told them to lie, who made up the cover story?" Well, obviously they're lying to protect the people still on the island. Jack told them to lie because Locke told him to lie because it's the only way to protect everyone on the island. Jack made up the lie.<p>Does the rip in Benjamin's sleeve have anything to do with how Dr. Candle lost his arm? Does the act of teleportation involve extremely low temperatures. Well, no, Benjamin fell down a ladder in a room so cold the rusted metal turned brittle and shattered and he tore his sleeve on the jagged metal. Ben's way off the island may involve teleporting, but we have not seen that yet. The frigid temperatures in the cavern may involve the teleporter, or magnetic flux or resonance, but we haven't seen that yet.<p>"WTF is a Frozen Donkey Wheel"? Be honest, how many of you read that phrase and envisioned frozen donkeys? A wheel is a wheel, a machine to be turned. A donkey wheel is a wheel that can be turned by a strong animal. A Frozen donkey wheel is one that's been immobilized, in this case literally by being frozen and icy.<p>Simple answers to complex questions.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    A stupid thing I should be embarrassed to admit:

    by Napoleon Park

    A stupid thing I should be embarrassed to admit:<p>When I heard so long ago that the cover story was that there were eight survivors of the crash but only the Oceanic six got off the island, I assumed that there were two dead. When they showed the enhanced episode with the extended press conference footage and Jack said that Boone, Charlie and Libby survived, I momentarily thought he made a gaffe the reporters would pick up on.<p>Stupid me, math was never my strong suit. 8 survivors minus three dead plus one baby born equals Oceanic Six. Fess up, did anyone else stumble over that point, or am I the group's Math moron?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Uh, hello? We saw Sun's (non-black) baby

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    So, I don't think it's magically going to turn brown next season.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Baby Killer Island

    by flanaganagain

    No one on island can have a kid so how can Charoltte be child of Sawyer and Juliet?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    AND...

    by flanaganagain

    Locke looked so different in casket because it's a mortuary. They make dead people look good with makeup. Ever see one?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    2morrow PLEASE

    by flanaganagain

    someone record Good Morning America for the deleted end scenes and repost on Utube or something. Pretty Please!

  • May 30, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    that was funny

    by geraldbeans

    when locke was watching the tape that said under no circumstance to put metal objects in the white room and ben is in the background putting metal in the white room. made me laugh.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Solid "FUUUUCK !!!" end to a rock solid season

    by G100

    Those who clearly gave in to the spoilers and appear feel cheated because they knew it was coming seem a mite upset. For those who learned the lesson the hard way last season and kept spoiler free it was a stunning shocker.<p> <p>Ahhh... the poor, poor nitpickers with their petty jelousy of the shows success. Man they are REALLY reaching now.<p> <p>WHAT TIME TRAVEL ?<p> <p>Until I see it confirmed all these bizzarro theories are just that THEORIES. With the most probable Time travel one being the Adam and Eve corpses who always looked spookily important.<p> <p> Oh! and whats that feature about John Locke that lets us know he was chosen from the very INSTANT he arrived on the Island ? The Island can HEAL. No Time Travel needed. And that assumes Locke will be resurected somehow after that point in time because he might not. John Locke has 3 YEARS of Island life to go through so Duh! perhaps we might just see a little bit of that ????<p> <p>Besides we still know next to nothing about Jacob, the Temple the Volcano, the Smoke Monster, so there might JUST be a little more to figure out than some Time Travel Theory.<p> <p>BTW Kudos to the guy who thinks Michael Emerson is "Hammy" ! Genuine LOL moment there as I read that completly moronic horseshit. Also well done for not spotting Jack's Liver was about to fall out hence Mathew Fox might not have been as sprightly as you might imagine.<p> <p>Besides those who are frothing at the mouth speculating about how good or bad the end (2 fucking series away)is, have completely missed the point anyway as this season has been enjoyable throughout (bar Frenchy's death)and at no time did I feel I had to be spoonfed all the answers immediatly so good was the storytelling and the acting.<p> <p>Gonna be a Looooong 8 months or so though. One of the best TV shows of recent times is STILL hitting hard with no sign of stopping.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Season 5... good vs. evil

    by hefferee

    I don't think it's valid to compare season finales. Each season has been entirely different in tone and direction, of course the endings are going to be different. It's already been stated by the producers that next season is about getting back to the island. Why have a game changer when this game is just getting started? Ben vs widmore... and Ben and Jack working to get the others to go back. I think next season could easily play out like a classic comic book. You have Ben gathering his team, his avengers, his x-men. of course, it's not a super hero story...but we have all the elements for an epic battle between good and evil brewing. And even those pesky characters that seemingly walk down the middle (Sun?). Alliances, battles, the best is yet to come guys. I'm ready for some Oceanic 6 action figures.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Congratulations!

    by lord_zedd

    We now have about 30 episodes of misdirection/disguised filler left! Go us!

  • May 30, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Well said D.Vader

    by The_Squid

    The Season 3 finale was one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. I initially felt kind of underwhelmed by this episode mostly because the whole episode I was anxiously waiting for something to happen the whole time. I think this episode will be better with repeat viewings. It is great in it's own way, just no big mindfucks and I always love finale mindfucks. The coffin bit was kind of lame since it was set up last season with no mention of it until now in season 4. Hell even the ending was the same "We have to go back" except now all of us have to go. My favorite parts were Christian dismissing Michael, Penelope showing up to rescue the survivors and Hurley's chess game with Eko. Plus Abadon's "are they still alive" quote is way more creepier now that we know the survivors are lying for themselves and not being forced by Widmore.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Vault takes advantage of a specific Island hotspot

    by G100

    The same as The hatch did with it's electromagnetic properties. Ben knoew it was there probably via Jacob & the others but Dharma may not have, hence the exploding through to the "source".<p> <p>4 Toed statue and carved Smoke Monster control cave says ancient civilisation on the island though the "Wheel" could just as easily be Black Rock era.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    What was the point of bringing michael back

    by The_Squid

    when all they did was kill him off five episodes later. I'll we'll have to look for him in the cabin.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:50 a.m. CST

    putting a fork in the microwave

    by Napoleon Park

    Dr. Marvin Candle tried it with a clipboard and a pen and it blew his arm off.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Locke and Ben are conning Jack

    by PidynEnfawr

    Locke using the alias Jeremy Bentham? Who acts like that? Locke's conman dad, Longcon Sawyer, and master manipulator Ben. Locke is alive and well, pretending to be dead, just as his father did to Locke. Remember Ben's comment hinting about Locke manipulating Hurley and how that is necessary for being a leader of the others? Locke is fine, not dead.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Sun is gorgeous, beautiful, sexy, amazing

    by PidynEnfawr

    I can't wait to see her get revenge!

  • May 30, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Benjamin and Johnathan in an elevator

    by Napoleon Park

    Benjamin and Johnathan in an elevator that just keeps going down and down. Finally Locke asks "How far down does this thing go?">p>The lights turn red and Ben sprouts horns and a tail and smiles. "All the way, John."

  • May 30, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Do you think Sun pooped herself...

    by lord_zedd

    when she watched Jin "blow up"? I think there was some turdage. Maybe some pissage too.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    New teams

    by PidynEnfawr

    Team Other Ben, Locke, Sayid, Hurley Team Jack Jack, Kate, Aaron, Desmond, Penny Team Widmore Widmore, Sun Team Island Ma and Pa (Juliette & Sawyer) etc

  • May 30, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    The Time Traveling Bunny Closet

    by Napoleon Park

    http://tinyurl.com/6nv7gh

  • May 30, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Benjamin and Jack in the mortuary

    by Napoleon Park

    Benjamin and Jack in the mortuary look at John Locke's heavily made up face in the casket. Jack: "Gee, he looks so natural." They both look at him and then at each other and break up giggling.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    the deal with a FROZEN room underneat

    by Napoleon Park

    It's where they keep their Dharma beer.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit that was amazing!

    by Yeti

    The fight between Kearny & Sayid was brutal. <p> Loved Ben's line about "Time Traveling Bunnies" <p> So where and more importently when - diod the Island go? And if Locke is back and dead is it back in the present? And did Sun have Locke killed? Is she now EVOL?! <p> Gaaaaaaaaaaah! 8 months!!!!!!!

  • May 30, 2008, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Wolfman Nards...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I don't think anyone was arguing that Charlie died in "vein"; We all know that he died in The Looking Glass. ;)<p> Of course, whether he died in VAIN... well, that's debatable, I suppose. I mean, Aaron did make it off the island... and that never would have happened had Charlie not taken care of the jamming mechanism on The Looking Glass station.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    What does a donkey wheel and a nuked fridge have in common?

    by lord_zedd

    This has proven to be a very good month!

  • May 30, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Does=do

    by lord_zedd

    Curses!

  • May 30, 2008, 5:01 a.m. CST

    SSSSHHhhhhh...

    by Napoleon Park

    Tommy's sweepy.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:13 a.m. CST

    WHAT. THE. FUCK.

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    I just finished watching it.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Team Jack

    by BrightEyes

    Wins! What a great episode of Lost, absolutely brilliant. Loved every second of it, there was no wasted moment. And I was proven right on 3 accounts, team locke vs team Jack, locke is dead Jack is alive, Team Jack wins even if some of you don't like it. Now that the battle of the two greatest characters is over its now time for Team Losties Vs. Team Widmore. I was also right about my theory that the time machine/transporter was located in a freezing area covered in snow, even though some of you didn't agree. And thirdly I was proven right that Locke was in the coffin, I called that Locke got his legs cut off and was the person in the cabin in the season 3 finale when we were all guessing who was in the coffin. Three wins for me tonight, I feel great, just got home from watching this at a lost finale party. I will deeply miss Mr. John Locke though what a brilliant character. I LOVE LOST LOVE IT! night. One last Team Jack!

  • May 30, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    doubt charlotte is annie

    by alex138

    annie had an american accent and barring any time traveling is too old to be charlotte. also i think ben would recognize her the way he seemed fixated on the little dolls she gave him- which makes it highly unlikely he would have shot her so willingly in the second episode of this season.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Like hell Team Jack Wins

    by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World

    If anything, there is no team Jack anymore because Jack joined Team Locke. What kind of bullshit game is this where first guy to die loses? That's like saying the 300 Spartans lost their battle with Xerxes. Hell no. Jack was converted to Locke's way of thinking, he was made of believer, that was Team Locke's goal. How the hell can they succeed at that and be the losers. Also Locke didn't have his legs cut off, where the hell did you get that idea?

  • May 30, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    WHHAAAAAAAA

    by BrightEyes

    I CAN'T ADMIT DEFEAT WWWWHHHHHAAAAA!!!!!

  • May 30, 2008, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Faraday and his raft people...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    They probably got whisked away into the future with the island. The raft might have been closer to the island than the helicopter, so the raft could have been within the island's temporal range.<p><p>Charlotte could have been somehow born on the island. So her parents may have been DHARMA people.<p><p>My crazy theory: Charles Widmore was the original captain of the Black Rock. His crew mutinied, led by Richard, and kicked Widmore off the island, leaving him (and his loyal servant/assistant Abbadon) in the mid-20th century.<p><p>Michael and Jin are dead.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:42 a.m. CST

    I thought it would be epic

    by BrightEyes

    if Locke died if a badass battle getting his legs cut off therefore making the coffin smaller, anyways I still called who was in the coffin a year ago so ya know :)

  • May 30, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    abbadon

    by alex138

    slave on the black rock in servitude of her captain, charles widmore?

  • May 30, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    I'm glad you enjoyed it, BrightEyes

    by Napoleon Park

  • May 30, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST

    I'm glad you enjoyed it, BrightEyes

    by Napoleon Park

    I thought you'd be upset because... Keamy used a derogatory slang term to refer to Jack while criticizing him as a cowardly back-shooter. Because Dr. Jack tried to kill Keamy by shooting him twice in the body armor and then failed to check for a pulse to see if he was actually dead. Because the much advertised Big Kiss turned out to be three big kisses - Kate and Sawyer, Desmond and Penny and... Jack and Desmond. Because drunk loser FF beardy Jack gets ejected by Kate who won't even let him speak Aaron's name, then works out his aggression by... breaking into a mortuary? Because he was denying Locke moved the island even after it disappeared right in front of their eyes and even Hurley was mocking him and asking if he thought they "overlooked it". What was the best part, when after promising to get all those people off the Island he only saved five of them, let everyone else on the freighter die and actually (poom) LOST the island? When he explained to the rest of The Six why they had to lie by repeating exactly what Locke told him word for word? Or when he constructed a web of deceit and lied to the US Coast Guard, the news media and the American public in order to protect some people who can't be found anyway? When he began taking advice from Ben Linus? When he decides they all have to go back to an island that no one can locate anyway and drag a corpse along with them?<p>Yep, you got some hero there, boy. In denial much?<p>I'll give Jacko points for saving Sayid's life though. He shot the heck out of Keamy's armor. Stunned him good.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Another great season!

    by Dazzler69

    Sucks to have to wait for 2009. <p> I hope it's not the end of Desmond's character on the show. Ben did say all of them which probably includes Desmond and the helicopter pilot. <p> I can see a bunch of youtube videos with the time traveling bunny now coming soon. <p>

  • May 30, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Desmond

    by Dazzler69

    He is like the show's Bobba fett. The coolest character and fan favorite.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    2 alternate endings

    by Titus05

    they just showed the 2 alternate endings that they filmed for LOST on Good Morning America...they filmed the ending with Locke in the coffin but they also filmed 2 alternate scenes with Sawyer in the coffin and another one with Desmond in the coffin

  • May 30, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Polar Bears

    by chimpjnr

    I'm guessing that the polar bears are a leftover from when a previous location that the island held in the arctic. Much like the Black Rock which just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. By enabling the island to shift space (and possibly time) it really allows the writers to throw in whatever cultural and historical references they feel like. It's only a matter of time before a Mayan pyramid appears...

  • May 30, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    jack shot keamy?

    by Bouncy X

    am i forgetting a scene or did i miss a post and it would make sense having read it because it was alpert that shot him in the back.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Johnathon Locke, R.I.P.

    by Napoleon Park

    Poor Johnny, picked on as a child, betrayed by a parent, rejected by a woman, refused admittance to a walkabout, failure as a leader. At the moment of his great triumph as he's supposed to save the Island he can't find the latch to the secret door, then Ben treats Locke like a child and lets John watch videos while he does all the work. Somehow in spite of it all Locke ascends to King of the Island... and in a matter of years - we'll no doubt find out how next season - he dies and gets badly painted in a little box. It's a hard life of a man of faith who never knows quite what to believe in.<p> http://tinyurl.com/5h5vbv

  • May 30, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Titus

    by CherryValance

    Seeing those guys in the coffin totally freaked me out. I actually ran in the other room because I couldn't handle seeing Des in the there.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Bouncy: alpert shot keamy?

    by Napoleon Park

    Could be, I haven't watched it over again yet. If so then the one thing I was giving Jack credit for accomplishing = not his. Poor Brighteyes.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    time travel machine

    by Titus05

    so in order to access the Frozen Donkey Wheel which moved the island, Ben blew up the 'regular' time travel room...so does this mean nobody can time travel any more from the island?...and how exactly did Ben (or anybody else) return to the island after time traveling?...there must be several time machines scttered around otherwise it makes no sense how anyone was able to get back to the island

  • May 30, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    CherryValance

    by Titus05

    seeing the altrnate coffin with Sawyer in it actually looked the creepiest to me

  • May 30, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Eight months to discuss and wonder

    by Napoleon Park

    where the damned island went. The Bermuda Triangle? The site of Old Atlantis? Just south of paradise Island? The Carribbean? Disneyland? I like that someone guesses Lake Michigan, but I wouldn't hold my breath.<p>Be a drag if it went to Antarctica - I don't think anyone dressed for it.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Do you know how hard it was to not hit the fast

    by SID 8.0

    forward at the funeral home. Just watched it this morning since i=I work at night. Aww Locke passed away. That's too fucked up.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I thought it was that they couldn't get back

    by CherryValance

    once they turned the frozen donkey wheel. Meaning the specific person who turned it. That's why I think the person who turned it before was Charles Widmore. I think, and I may be wrong, that Ben was telling Jack that he had some ideas how "they" could go back, but he mant Jack and the gang not himself. Like he's island banished for turning the wheel. *shrug*

  • May 30, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    bears and things

    by zom-bot.com

    the bears trained to do the wheel work in the frozen room is excellent. however, there had to have been another way in there, besides blowing through a wall. polar bears gotta eat. <P>the 'teleport' closet was def too small for a full grown polar bear. and too large for a bunny. can we say, standing man-sized? duh.<P>the orchid tape not only cuts out before stuff gets good, but starts to REVERSE (and maybe play back) this could be an anomaly of an old tape, or a tape exposed to time radiation, or just symbolic of what is going to happen in season 5, in some way.instead of flash forwards, we are going to get some reverse sequence episodes, memento style.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    donkey wheel room

    by Titus05

    but turning the wheel moves the entire island...wasn't there a way to time travel without moving the island?...the room that Ben put all that metal garbage in was the 'regular' time travel room (that's where the rabbits were placed when moving in time)...while the room with the Donkey wheel was hidden behind the regular room and was only accessible after Ben caused that small explosion which caused a hole to be ripped inside that room

  • May 30, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    hmmm...

    by CherryValance

    I'm never gonna completely understand this episode.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Rose Bernard

    by vmj19

    I take it these two stayed on the island? Have we pretty much depleted the 815 background players now?

  • May 30, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    What IS Reality?

    by Napoleon Park

    In Lost season five, will "real time" be the Oceanic Six off-island with all "what happened on the island and with the island" stories relegated to flash-backs? Or will the shows "real time" continue as Island time with the Oceanic's in flash forwards? Answer, neither. The off-island O-6's flashbacks can't tell us anything about the island becauce they're not there - and the people on the island (assuming anyone survived the move and there still IS an Island) can't have flash-forwards about the people who did get off. So the show will have parallel plotlines about the off-island O-6ers and the Island folk which may or may not be told in the same time period - and anyone at either location can still have either flash forwards or flash backs. Quite the convuluted game-changer. This IS getting more complicated. Or I'm just getting tired - I'm not used to staying up this late.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    YAWN.... pretty much predictable

    by hamster factor

    was a decent episode but nothing special - not even close to Through the Looking Glass from last season. It has become SO random now - no convenient plot device is off limits - dead characters come back whenever, Ben can teleport through time and space whenever he feels like it - there is always yet another super secret island station with a secret frozen room or some such hidden inside it that has yet another key secret to the island that still isn't explained but is used to further the plot. Contrary to what most people think, I believe the writers got lazy again this season. For me it didn't live up to what they left us with at the end of season 3. I'll keep watching it, but I'm definitely not overly pumped for season 5 like I was for 4.

  • May 30, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    vmj19 - background players

    by Napoleon Park

    I mentioned this above but rather than scroll for it, I'll recap it.<p>Juliet said she wouldn't leave until everyone was off - which tends to imply that NOT everyone was off yet.<p>There were people with vests and rafts evacuating the freighter before it blew up, but none seen when the chopper flew around as the freighter sank, so they probably didn't survive.<p>There were probably five people on the raft with Daniel heading back to the island which probably went whereever the island went.<p>There were five redshirts at Locke's camp at New Otherton - we saw three get shot so the other two - Steve and an unidentified woman - are MIA and presumed dead - maybe.<p>The Others captured Cindy the stewardess during the Tailies march to the beach. She was last seen on the small Other island taking care of Zach and Emma, the tailie children the Others kidnapped.<p>Since I did not see Cindy or the children with the others with Richard alpert, i assume there must be a few others left on the other small island with cindy and the children. Does anyone know if any of the members of Juliet's book club were seen with Alperts group?<p>Anyway, there are one or two groups of others, there are 815ers with Juliet along with Rose, Bernard, Charlotte and Miles from the Freighter. Possibly two survivors from Locke's group (unlikely). Possibly five on the raft with Faraday. Possible (very unlikely) some survivors of the Freighter explosion/sinking. Sawyer and Juliet.<p>Oh, and Keamy had four men left in his team - did we see them ALL die or are one or two of them still out in the jungle?<p>Oh, and ghosty Christian and Claire at jacob's cabin.<p>I'm thinking that the island is not as depopulated as it might seem.<p>There are still people who can't accept that Jin was standing on the deck of the freighter as it burst into flames and sank, sho why assume any of these other characters are dead yet if we didn't see them die?<p>And what about Jin's Other Panda, last seen riding away in a taxi!?!

  • May 30, 2008, 8 a.m. CST

    Not quite as mindblowing as last season

    by The Selecter

    but good nonetheless. Glad to see the new "crew" intact still, and I liked how the Island plopped. However, it's the little things that get you while you're watching -- is Aaron ummm..."slow?" 'cuz he sure looks it. And -- if they pushed Hurley out of the chopper instead of Sawyer, they'd be able to fly back to L.A.! Plus, once the rotors slow down, choppers *don't* glide like airplanes, they drop like rocks.<br><br>(*Spoiler*) BTW, you Claire fans will be disappointed -- EdR won't be a regular next season, but she's supposed to be back the season after that.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    How To Ruin Your Show....A 20 Step Guide

    by lord_zedd

    1.) Make sure that ABC picks it up. 2.) Listen to ABC's suggestions (read: demands) and switch your show from being a character study with fantasy elements to being a fantasy show with no character at all so you can appease the large amount of nerds your program is attracting. 3.) Apply bullshit to pad things out for six years. 4.) Let's kill off...uh...(insert character names). Yes, I know you weren't planning to, but the people are expecting something, goddammit! 5.) Have Kate and sawyer do it in a cage. 6.) Apply more bullshit. 7.) "Okay, so the other day I was idling in the Arby's drive-thru, right, and I was almost up to the pay window, see, and I pull out my wallet and it hits me...We all know and love flashbacks. But have you ever heard of....a flash-FORWARD?" 8.) Apply more bullshit. 9.) Introduce five new regulars in one episode. 10.) Have Kate & Sawyer do it again (but on pastel sheets this time) to please the "undersexed fat women who make youtube fanvids of K/S clips set to Richard Marx songs" demographic. (Which, by the way, makes up most of your core audience now.) 11.) Apply more bullshit. 12.) Jump the shark. 13.) If one of your stars unexpectedly gets a DUI, repeat steps 4,6,8,9 and 11. If not, repeat them anyway. 14.) ...aren't ghosts cool? Nerds like ghosts, don't they?... 15.) Repeat step 5. 16.) Blame it on Jack's dad. 17.) Release a video game tie-in. 18.) Apply more bullshit. 19.) Apply more bullshit. 20.) Donkey wheel.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    The bears...

    by mraig

    The idea of the bears being trained to move the wheel to move the island (and thus having a banished bear instead of a banished person) makes a lot of sense. <P> It seems pretty clear to me that the "donkey wheel" room is part of an older layer of island inhabitance that has nothing to do with Dharma, and that Dharma built the Orchid over the pre-existing temple. (Probably the same is true for the 4-toed statue). <P> I am still trying to figure out why the O6 are claiming that there were originally 3 more survivors who died before they could be rescued. What purpose does that particular lie serve? If they were going to expand the lie to include extra people, I would think a good use for it would be to say that Claire had been one of the extra survivors who died before they were rescued, and that she had died in childbirth. That way, they wouldn't have to pretend that Kate was 6 months pregnant at the time of the crash (which evidence could pop up to contradict) and that a baby which is not related to her is her son (which evidence could pop up to contradict). But, as it is, what purpose does the 'there were others who didn't make it' lie serve? <P> If the O6 have become world-famous and recognizeable, how come the Walt story hasn't leaked out? He's living with his grandmother, presumably under his real name, going to school, interacting with people, etc. But after 815 crashed, you would think that his whole family and everyone who knew him would have constantly been thinking about how Walt was on the plane, talking about it to their friends, spreading the word--making a big enough deal about it that when Walt shows back up, it would be impossible to keep the lid on it anymore.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Ah yes, the inevitable...

    by Kid Z

    ...shark-jumper episode. When BEn started pushing that wobbly cardboard wheel in the fake-ice spraypainted room, you might as well have had Fonzie show up on waterskis to jump over the little pop of water rings that appeared when the island went poof. It's all downhill now. Horrible, horrible, boring episode. Sad but true, guys, sad but true.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST

    To those who say...

    by mraig

    that there has been no real confirmed time travel: it is all but certain that Ben travelled directly from the Donkey Wheel Room on the island in December 2004 to the Sahara desert in October 2005. That's time travel! <P> So who knows not only where, but when the island travelled to? Someone (Jack?) said in last night's episode that Locke/Bentham had first contacted him "about a month ago". Maybe the island travelled forward in time to about a month before the Jack and the coffin scene (late 2007/early 2008 if the 'three years' report is accurate). <P>If that is the case, then next season the Jack/coffin timeline could be the new "present" (with flashbacks to fill us in on what else the O6 and friends have been doing in the interim) and we won't be missing any time for the people on the island except that one month (which could also be filled in by flashbacks). <P> Alternately, Season 5's "present" could be the time immediately after the O6 are rescued (early 2005), and we could continue having flash-forwards to show us the "future" (early 2008, with beardy Jack and the coffin). <P>But I think that would get a little tedious--we have a pretty good idea what the O6 have been doing in their time off, and the real story we want to get on with is the one with Jack needing to gather people and get back to the island. That needs to be the main storyline (the "present"), and the details about Locke meeting with them and dying can be the flashbacks. <P> Of course, there is no reason why there *have* to be flash-backs/forwards next season at all...

  • May 30, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    lord_zedd:

    by hamster factor

    Yep, once they lost most of their mainstream audience they had to go over the top in order to maintain a core of Stargate fans - and the most pathetic sci-fi nerds are still complaining they won't watch it because it is fake sci-fi and has no action. I like some of the fantasy elements - that is what always made the show unique, but they've gone totally overboard now. And lets face it everyone: THEY MAKE IT ALL UP AS THEY GO. Ben wasn't even intended to be a main character - he had a bit part to start out. Now, I'm not one of those that claims the show sucks because of this, but you guys give them too much credit. This show would have been best suited to something like a three season run. Oh well, I'm still watching it too - so here's to drinking the Kool Aid

  • May 30, 2008, 8:17 a.m. CST

    jack can't pronounce brother properly

    by Mr_X

    its brother not brudda.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST

    lazy hurley

    by Mr_X

    i could see hurley was under pressure when the weight needed to fly out of the helicopter. he also kept his mouth shut when they flew out of the boat again, knowing full well 3 people could have taken his place. but what takes the biscuit is when they go back to civilization and those fisherman are dragging the boat on the beach, his lazy fat ass is still in the boat!

  • May 30, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    John Locke is Jacob....

    by Hagakure

    He had to die Obi-Wan style so his spirit could "Become One With The Island". Ben and Co. bring his body back and he is the 'Adam' part of the 'Adam and Eve' dead couple next to the waterfall (hence the 'Welcome home, John'). John Locke (In Spirit Form) travels through time, manipulating all of the events in the lives of all of the original cast to make sure they end up on the island because they need to be there for whatever reason that will be dealt with next season.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    to be fair: the sweaty cleavage only gets better every season

    by hamster factor

    But what will we do now, no more Kate or Sun on the island with sweaty tattered garments? Oh well, at least we still have Juliet - and Charlotte definitely seems to have going on in that department as well. Claire may yet turn up as not dead and hopefully no longer annoying, but I doubt it. They love to kill of character that become useless - and she was by far the most useless of the original cast still around

  • May 30, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    hamster factor:

    by lord_zedd

    Ben shouldn't have lasted as long as he has. His character was never interesting to me, no matter how much relevance they tried to push off onto him. I've always liked the fantasy elements, but not when they BECAME the show. It's funny how ABC has pushed it into being what the public perceived it as. Actually, wait. No it's not. It's sad.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    lord_zedd

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I have to admit, your "20 Step Guide" post made me laugh.<P>And I love how the device Ben used to move the Island has already been dubbed with the moniker, "Donkey Wheel". Man, you gotta love the internet.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Nap - re:tell me what happened to your eyes...

    by rbrog77

    That may have been the funniest thing I've ever seen you write. Great Job!!<P> BTW, I'm reading the posts now and will post a few things later.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    crack pot theories

    by hamster factor

    Juliet and Sawyer are the Adam and Eve from the cave in S1 - the island didn't travel in space, it traveled in time and Charlotte is the daughter of Juliet and Sawyer and Jack's dad is their son and The creepy asian ghost hunter guy (forgot his name) turns out to be Sun's great grandfather. Walt is a NBA basketball player that shrunk himself down and posed as Michael's son. The ageless other dude (forgot his name) turns out to be the descendant of a race of polar bears that are the original owners of the island. Locke is found out to by Damon Lindoff that escaped the island to write a show about it but got killed by a disgruntled fan - thus the coffin.

  • May 30, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    all joking aside

    by hamster factor

    I do believe the island traveled in time, not space and I do believe they will end it all with some sort of circular plot device where we end up where we started

  • May 30, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Other Losties

    by rbrog77

    Rose and Bernard were not on the raft...ever. That means, I think, they are still on the island.<P> Question I have is if Faraday and the raft weren't sucked into "moving day", then how do the red shirts on the raft know to lie when/if they are rescued?

  • May 30, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Are we over looking the 3 non Oceanic survivors?

    by Wolfman Nards

    Why would Jack have said Charlie, Libby, and Boone initially survived the crash but died later? Why wouldn't he have said it was always just the 6 of them? I don't get that.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Okay episode - could have been MUCH better

    by Itchy

    My idea would have been to have 1 1/2 hours of show, followed by 1/2 hour of Charlotte and Goth Claire exploring each others "Orchid Stations". In my world, the Island can only move if stimulated by hot lesbo sex.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Ashok0, S4 was filler

    by lord_zedd

    It was there literally to fill in the gaps between flash-forwards and the island drama. Frustrating, really, since the suspense level took a massive hit for it. And I definitely do not want the seasons to be identical, I just want the quality of storytelling to increase over time, not decrease.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Wolfman

    by Purgatori

    possibly to give closure to their families? He knew them better than he knew everyone else. (shrug) And no one really cared about Anal. Also, I think Jin isn't dead. But I"m curious what everyone else thinks is the deal with Christian appearing to Michael before everything go BOOM.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Purgatori

    by mraig

    How does "your loved one died on an island after surviving a plane crash" give more closure than "your loved one died in a plane crash"? And even if that is the reason, why those three in particular, and not the others who did actually live but then die (Shannon--why Boone and not her?--Eko, AnaL--her mom cared about her!--Shit Break and Mrs. Shit Break, and now Michael and Jin)? Why introduce this plot point if there's not a specific reason for it?

  • May 30, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Christian Shepard is actually Jack's son

    by hamster factor

    I think that explains the scene where he appears to Michael perfectly, because the whole thing is just a psychotic episode in Hurley's mind at the mental hospital. But he never actually went to the mental hospital, he is still on the island (!) and Charlie is his brother. Charlie never got to bang Claire because he is actually her son Aaron - and that would just be messed up.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by lord_zedd

    It's your upper lip

  • May 30, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    By the way... re: cleavage

    by mraig

    Lately, it's almost gotten to be a joke how often Juliette and Kate are showing off the goods. I can imagine it's being written into the scripts now: <P> Juliet runs up beach to meet Kate, wearing a tank-top, leaning forward slightly as she runs. <P> Kate, wearing a tank-top, comes to meet her. <P> KATE: Hold on a second, Juliet. I have to tie my shoe. <P> Kate, still wearing the above-mentioned tank-top, leans forward to tie her shoe. <P> JULIET: Hold on, Kate. While you were leaning forward to tie your shoe just now, something fell out of your pocket. Let me bend down and get it for you. <P> Suddenly, the Smoke Monster appears to them as Shannon in a bikini. <P> And SCENE.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Lost Trek III The Search For Locke

    by picardsucks

    Jack and Ben along with the 6 steal the Enterprise. Go to the Island (Genesis Planet)and reunite Locke's Katra with his body.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by lord_zedd

    ...and you are not my brother. Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't mean you have to troll on me.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Ashok0, you're takin it all too seriously brutha

    by hamster factor

    We're making fun of the show, but obviously we're still watching it. As ridiculous as it might be, as many times as it might jump the shark, I still find myself entertained - if for no other reason to see what they pull out their asses next. That is more than I can say for 90% of the crap on TV - so at least they've kept my interested.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Some questions I came up with from Finale

    by TVguy4566

    Sorry if some were raised before since I didn't read the entire thread: <br><br> 1.)What happened to Locke's legs? It seems pretty obvious by the size of the coffin that Locke lost his legs. Was it the price to get off the island? Did he lose his power to walk when he left the island and had them removed because he couldn't stand to look at them?<br><br> 2.) Sayid was willing to kill to get Hurly to a safe place not on the island. Since he is working with Ben, does he know of a sinister plan by Ben in reference to getting everyone back on the island? If Ben gets everyone back on the island, does that mean he can come back? <br><br> 3.) Is it me or is the shop across the street from the funeral parlor look like the same shop where Frank was introduced?

  • May 30, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Jin

    by slone13

    STILL not dead.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    mraig, re: cleavage

    by hamster factor

    Yes, but I don't question it. I just accept it.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    lord_zedd

    by slone13

    TOTALLY an idiot.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    slone13

    by lord_zedd

    is a beautiful person

  • May 30, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    the coffin is miniature because:

    by hamster factor

    Locke's legs are still on the island. their is a mini wormhole inside the coffin where his still living legs are able to live and be free as king of the Others for the rest of their days.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Node32774

    by TVguy4566

    It ain't a regular sized coffin. Terry O'Quinn is 6'1". No way is that coffin big enough to fit him. Here is an image of the coffin and you tell me if it is over 6 feet.<br><br> http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:The_Coffin.jpg

  • May 30, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I think the easiest answer to Locke getting off is

    by chrth

    He moves the island again. I like this theory (despite the fact that I don't watch the show), because it allows the island to go back to the past to much with some stuff, and then come forward again for the Oceanic Six to get back to it.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Purgatori Re: Christian/Michael

    by Pongo

    In "Meet Kevin Johnson," we saw that Michael was trying to kill himself but couldn't do it. Mr. Friendly shows up and tells him that the island won't let Michael die until he does what he needs to do to help the people on the island. Apparently, what Michael did on the boat was enough, as Christian told him "You can go now, Michael," i.e., you can finally die.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Locke

    by Thunderbolt Ross

  • May 30, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    The issue with Locke's legs

    by chrth

    Wasn't Locke in a wheelchair at the start of the show, and the island healed him? Maybe when he gets back, he no longer is healed and is back in the wheelchair and he needs to have his legs amputated or something (if he comes back like Ben did, and he's instantly a cripple again, his return to civilization might be an issue).

  • May 30, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Holy Balls

    by manicart1

    That was some good stuff. The series was wrapped up niceley, just enough of the island's true nature revealed to satisfy and keep us thirsty for more and that ending...phew. 2009 till season 5 you say? Shitassfuck.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Frozen Donkey Wheel

    by theBigE

    That's not an overnight internet-coined moniker, EW.com's Lost writer Doc Jensen has been floating that term around for a month now. He said something relating to it would show up in the finale, and lo and behold, there it was.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I'm surprised

    by rbrog77

    You know, I've been saying for about a year now that the sci-fi stuff was the trees not letting us see the forrest. I think there was a line last night confirming that.<P> Silly Dharma Experiments<P> Dharma in all their wisdom, were able to move a bunny ahead in time milliseconds. If you think about it, the frozen donkey wheel without being frozen is a relec from ancient times (I'll come back to this later). When Ben turned it he and his parka and his cut arm vanished. In a previous episode Ben and his parka and his cut arm show up in a desert. And low and behold, he's got some vapor coming off of him.<P> When you go from freezing cold to extreme desert heatwith no buffer, vapor will rise from you too.<P> Then Ben shows up at a hotel desk and asks the date...wanting to find out the year.<P> Yes, there is time travel. But...<P> This is minor folks. It's dressing to make this journey fun. The real clue as to what the show is was at the end.<P> He said things had gone bad on the island and I was the reason.<P> If Jack has not been on the island in 3 years, why is it his fault. More to the point, why does Jack believe it's his fault?<P> Because Jack is Locke's balance.<P> Locke is faith. A ruler cannot lead by faith alone. Just because one believes something to be true, that does not make it true...or false, for that matter. Because Locke will lead from a standpoint of faith only, he will be a bad leader. In his heart he knew that, and that's why he asked Jack to stay. And because he led that way, things went bad on the island. And because his "balance"...his constant, per se, left him, it's the balanace's fault.<P> Now, let's go back to the donkey wheel. That ancient relic. That aincient relic that somehow can make an island vanish...move. <P> It was ancient, wasn't it? Why and how could something so time dated cause such a "god-like" event? What in those times where this ancient artifact would have been used...been common place...coulc make such a primative relic do such an incredible thing?<P> OMG...The gods!! They would use ancient tools. They were capable of spectacular acheivements. <P> So if you're looking for what is to come, consider this. Faith and reason will have to balance out in order for things that went bad on the island to be corrected. Seems like a big problem if you consider...<P> Faith/Locke appears to be dead<P> Reason/Jack has to convince everyone to go back<P> Kate has been told by a dead Claire vision not to take Aaron back<P> Sun looks to be hooking up with Widmore<P> Sayid and Hurley are at an undiclosed location<P> In order to set things straight, Jack has to team up with a lying, coniving bug eyed bastard he can't trust.<P> Sounds like a hell of a journey, huh?<P> One more thing. Why did things go bad on the island? Well, in addition to Locke being a bad leader, Juliet and Sawyer think freighter went boom with Jack and Sun and Jin and so forth all on the ship. So they're all dead...except their not. Then the island moved and they realize all this stuff that went down this year with the rescue and non-rescue and the mercenaries et al could possibly be balmed on whoever it was they think moved the island. And his name is...<P> Faith Alone

  • May 30, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    in other words: Jack is Locke's brother

    by hamster factor

    and he is out for revenge. It's not personal, it's just business. Locke's kidney wont rest until everyone on this island is dead!! (tune in next week)

  • May 30, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    One last thing about the coffin

    by TVguy4566

    If you look at the doors on the coffin, the top door (the one where the head and torso are) is longer than the bottom half. Typically, they are either the same lenth or the bottom half is longer because it has the legs and part of the torso underneath. It makes it seem pretty clear now that we know it is a man over 6 feet in there, that Locke's legs were amputated prior to his death.

  • May 30, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Oh...and

    by rbrog77

    Yes I said most of that before. And I didn't expand on the gods thing, but someone above did saying something like the immortals and the gods and the children of the gods and such.<P> How about the sci-fi aspect being explained with the power of the gods. I know some of you would be disappointed, but I like it.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Great Episode

    by Hellboy4Prez

    Can't believe it was Locke in the box! Do you think Abbadon is working for Widmore, trying to follow the Oceanic 6, Ben and Locke back to the island.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Jeremy Bentham

    by ghost_matt

    Not only was Jeremy Bentham an English professor like has already been posted, but after he died his students kept stealing his head to check out his brain. His real head was eventually replaced with a fake head in his coffin. Locke's body is a fake, and that's why nobody went to the funeral.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Thanks Titus05

    by barfydog

    http://tinyurl.com/4klu2n Short clip from Good Morning America with Sawyer and Desmond in the coffin.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    John Locke's is jesus and the island is his fater

    by hamster factor

    I get it now! Does that make Jack Judas?

  • May 30, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    *father

    by hamster factor

    ..

  • May 30, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I totally called Locke in the coffin

    by HarrysNemesis

    The day after it happened before seeing anyone else say it :) It really made sense based on the way Jack talked to the others about attending the funeral. The only two people they would feel that way about were Ben or Locke... but I don't think most would even consider Ben's funeral. Locke made the most sense. <p>LOVED the opening scene -- it was great to take it back to the finale from last year and continue. One thing I'm still curious about... Kate mentioned the horrible THINGS that happened that day -- the only horrible thing I really saw was jin getting killed when the boat exploded... I wonder if there is more to that than they have shown yet. <p>Re: Michael -- Yes, he's definitely dead... BUT as we all know in Lost you're NEVER dead once you've been to the island... he can always come back as an island spirit in the future. <p>Re: Charlie's Vision that everyone's pissed off about -- here's my take. First, Charlie didn't die for nothing -- Aaron still got off the island, and Claire ended up where she's supposed to be -- as far as his vision being wrong, where'd the vision come from? The vision came from the island. It is what Charlie NEEDED to see in order to make the sacrifice he did. So the island deceived Charlie to a higher moral purpose -- the island took John Locke's philosophy!!! The vision was a partial truth that got the result the island wanted. <p>Re: The Sayyid/keamy fight -- the second I saw him get shot in the back I was thinking 'isn't he wearing a bulletproof vest????' Then they convinced me he was dead w/ the open eye shot... then he's back to life shortly after. Seriously tho you shoot someone with a bulletproof vest on you'd think you made darn well sure he was really dead. <p>Re: Desmond/Penny -- yes it will get rough but I think in the end there's no way the writer's take Penny out -- Other than Ben killing keamy he has generally only killed out of necessity -- ultimately he will get his revenge in another way and leave Penny out of it, but probably after they have a story arc about him trying to kill her <p>Re: Who has to go back -- I don't think Des and Lapidus count as they didn't come in on 815, Des was already there and Lapidus is a recent arrival. <p>I agree of course Locke comes back to life when he gets back to the island. Also, I'm not even sure someone killed him -- perhaps he's in a catatonic, death like state that the island decided to put him in until Jack brought him back to the island. You never know with lost :) Also, the island would never let Locke die outside the island (remember how it prevented Michael from dieing) -- so whatever this death is, it is island sanctioned ;) <p>Notice the hieroglyphics on the stones when Ben went to move the island? This means people have been on the island for thousands of years, since the beginning of recorded history since those kinds of hieroglyphs were the first style of writing. Definitely falls into the Eden theory. <p>My new theory: The island is a collective consciousness of spirits that are trapped there due to the 'strange matter.' That's why when the shit goes down on the island, you hear the whispering. That's why things like healing are selective (the island decides). That's why the island CHOOSES whether you can go back to the island or not... the island makes decisions for itself. I think jacob is just a respresentation of the island's overall consciousness and Christian is the current spokesperson. <p>SOLID, good finale - not a mindbender, but that was hard to make with all the flashforwarding -- I do agree it made a lot of stuff anticlimactic (like the Jack-appendix episode -- how could he NOT survive we've already seen him in the future). Those who are saying they are making this up a few episodes in advance don't do your reading. They the broad arcs and story lines plotted out to the series finale -- I predict one of the best finales ever only because most finales they plan at the very end when the series has been cancelled. This finale is thought out YEARS in advance. The only anticlimactic thing about the finale is that almost everything should already be revealed by then -- the only thing that may not be at that point is what the island actually is (eden theory, etc). <p>Also everyone sure loves smokie... I'm ready for a comeback of the dinosaur like (well that's how I imagine it) monster from the first few episodes! Much scarier than smokey.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    The Redshirts

    by jtp8000

    Still unclear whether the redshirts are dead or not. Most were on the freighter but did they get off the freighter in time and if so, did they make it back to the island before it disappeared?

  • May 30, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Couple more notes

    by HarrysNemesis

    Jin is definitely not dead. <p>The boat with Faraday -- you don't see it in the water after the island disappears -- I predict they disappear and reappear where the island is and that they are also on the island now the last 3 years stuck with everyone else.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    abbadon and richard

    by alex138

    abbadon works for widmore and richard works for the ben/others...so whats up with their common interest in Locke from his flashbacks?

  • May 30, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Jin should be dead

    by alex138

    but probably isn't. But really, the helicopter was closer to the island than Jin was and it didn't get sucked through time...

  • May 30, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    the frozen donkey wheel

    by alex138

    didn't deserve to be coined. Rather the real shocker should have been 'the smirking cadaver'

  • May 30, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Node

    by alex138

    that's what i am wondering. but he def works for widmore in some capacity. he was the one who debriefed naomi on her mission.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Jacob is God

    by Jor-El23

    and Christian Sheppard is Metatron

  • May 30, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    well

    by alex138

    it was widmore's boat and Frank referenced being hired by Widmore because he called him about knowing the plane was a hoax. I think that at least suggests the possibility that Widmore was in charge of everyone on the boat. What you say is possible but it is not a foregone conclusion.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    the frozen donkey wheel is Jacbo's father...

    by hamster factor

    that beat him as a child and ran away with his wife. damn frozen donkey wheel, how could you.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    they had to explain away the second island again

    by hamster factor

    did anyone notice? in the Helicopter after the island disappears, Jack says "but wait, there was a second island"... Kenny Rogers: "I aint see nothin but water out there ya here".

  • May 30, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    frozen polar bear wheel?

    by ArcadianDS

    If the polar bears were trained and used to turn the wheel, then why are the holding cells for them built on an entirely different island?

  • May 30, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Faraday's castaways

    by HarrysNemesis

    Now that I think about it it's possible they're not on the island either... they could have been rescued the same way the oceanic 6 were but by someone else... the only reason I would think that is not the case is that if Jin got back to the mainland, he wouldn't leave Sun hanging. As far as the helicopter being closer than the raft, the helicopter was in mid-air when the island moved, whereas the raft was in water physically in contact with the island.. so I can see the raft going with the island but not the helicopter. Ben did say something to the effect of 'you know you're not the only people who got off the island' tho, which may lend credence to the other raft making it back to the mainland as well. So I can see it going either way... it could be Jun survives and washes back up on the island later but didn't get in Faraday's raft, but Faraday's raft still makes it out... guess we'll see next weekend. I'm sticking to the raft went back to the island for the moment only because we haven't seen any evidence that it did not yet -- for me I don't see Jin getting off the island but not contacting Sun. <p>Speaking of the helicopter, that must be the slowest helicopter ever.. it seems like they were flying for minutes and never got more than a mile or so from the island :) By the time sawyer jumped they would have been MILES off the island.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    But where are Rose and Bernard?

    by exofficersmith

    Did I miss something?

  • May 30, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Other alternate endings...

    by Charlie Murphy

    Sawyer and Desmond. Those must've been shot just in case spoilers got out, because really... they don't make much sense (given what we've seen on the show so far). neither des or sawyer has deserved any of the hate that jack and kate talked about and walt didn't even know desmond... if you missed GMA, the endings are already on youtube.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I wonder...

    by evildeadgeorge

    I know some people asked if when Ben said "all of them", that meant Desmond and Lapidus, but I wondered if that meant Walt too. It seemed to be a good intro to bringing him back last night.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Rose and Bernard

    by HarrysNemesis

    Hopefully dead... I like the actor that plays bernard, but don't care for the story line AT ALL. I'm sure they're still on the island and they'll make a couple of cameos next season helping out in a vaguely distracting way that's completely unnecessary.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    alternate endings

    by HarrysNemesis

    They were definitely shot to prevent spoilage. Desmond does make sense because I can totally see him dieing to defend Penny from Ben. <p>Also, who is Kate going back to?? Is sawyer off the island in 3 years and it hasn't been revealed or what? If Locke can get off why not sawyer.

  • May 30, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    kate is going back to Aaron, i thought that was obvious

    by hamster factor

    ... figured that out on the kate and jack flash forward

  • May 30, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong

    by HarrysNemesis

    The actors do a great job.. and I agree they're alive. Just don't care for the storylines they've been part of... generally when they're involved it leads to more of the sentimental/schlocky side of lost.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    "Ckeckmate Mr. Ecko" ...F'ing Creepy...

    by Bones

    That was a Stephen King moment if I ever saw one. Loved it.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    alternate endings as seen on GMA this morning

    by BacardiRocky

    glad they stuck with what was aired: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWMYFAycmQ

  • May 30, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Bearded Jack is actualy back in the early 90's

    by pokadoo

    Listening to Nirvana & Pixies! Although, that would mean that I'm also living back in the 90's. I wish.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I know its been posted earlier

    by skimn

    but Michael Emmerson deserves an Emmy, a Golden Globe, a Kids Choice Award, a Peoples Choice Award, a Nobel Prize in Acting, etc etc etc, for uttering the most chilling single word, in the coldest sonuva bitch manner.."so".

  • May 30, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Frozen Donkey Wheel

    by shellfishh

    Did anyone else think that the "frozen donkey wheel" looked like what MIGHT once have been the steering wheel of a certain wrecked pirate ship?

  • May 30, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Penny has to die.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Widmore "changed the rules" when the merc team he hired killed Alex. That is if I remember the context of that dialogue correctly. Ben risked many lives to exact revenge on Keamy for killing Alex, so it seems he is more distraught than maybe he even thought possible.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    nice to see perrineau thinks the same sorta

    by Bouncy X

    though my problem isnt how he was treated, its that they touted his big return for this season and it takes like 5 or 6 episodes before we even see him and then of the 14 episodes, he was in maybe 4 or 5 and aside from his flashback, it was all pretty small parts. i was expecting him to be a regular character or at the least, have more than 2mins screentime per episode he was in.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Thanks Ashok0

    by rbrog77

    I too find that interesting, that the roles of the 2 main characters have somewhere along the way been switched....especially that Locke as a child was a science geek.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I didn't want to see Keamy dead

    by CherryValance

    I was quite fond of his cold-as-ice badassery.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    JIN IS DEAD and Rose and Bernard are the skeletons

    by Pongo

    Jin couldn't have survived the explosion and the skeletons they found in the first episode had a pouch with one black stone and one white stone. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    they totally wasted Michael

    by hamster factor

    sad disgrace to an already disgraced character. They were obviously just trying to tie up lose ends from their previous fuck ups, but I feel sorry for the actor

  • May 30, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Michael

    by rbrog77

    He said to Sayid he came back to die. Still, there's something else...of course.<P> I think what Christian told him was You can go now. Not go home. Not die. And maybe I'm wrong about this, but wasn't it said he had to return to the island to die (might have been island won't let you die)? If he has to return to the island, and if the island can project Christian and Libby on the freighter, might the island not be able to retrive people too?<P> Dead? I dunno....

  • May 30, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    re: the skeletons

    by hamster factor

    I don't think it is Rose and Bernard, but I do think the skeletons are characters we know, because like I said before - I think the whole island is traveling in time now with the use of the donkey wheel

  • May 30, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Just saved this page as a favorite

    by rbrog77

    Called it New Lost Home<P> Could use some new drapes, but I like it...<P> ;->

  • May 30, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    wait Parreneau wasn't paid?

    by ArcadianDS

    I dont fee sorry for him. If the producers of LOST offered to pay me for 2mins time for 5 episodes, I'd do it and Id be overjoyed about it.<p> Harry needs to stop blaming is lack of any career outside of lost on the fact that he was cast in the role of a bad guy. Just in case anyone isn't aware, this isnt exactly his first acting role - it just happens the be the only one anybody ever remembers.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Michael

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think on paper his coming back and dying is a good idea. They just didn't execute it well. It didn't resonate with me really.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    "You can go now"

    by ArcadianDS

    thats what Lindelof and Cruse said to him after they wrapped shooting for this episode.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    "He changed the rules." - I've figured this out!

    by Dapper Swindler

    Keamy was holding Alex hostage to force Ben outside. Ben claimed that he didn't care and she was just a pawn. But when Keamy shoots her Ben is shocked and horrified. He says, "He changed the rules."<p> I, along with most of you, assumed the "he" was Widmore or something. Like they had some kind of arrangement not to kill each other's daughters...sounds kind of silly now that I think about it. But the answer is so obvious I don't know how I missed it before. <p> In "he changed the rules" the "he" isn't Widmore or Keamy - it's Jacob. Ben was under the impression he (and by extension, Alex) was in the favor of Jacob or was needed for "work to do" and no matter what they wouldn't actually die - just like Michael couldn't die. But this understanding Ben had with the island went out the window when Alex was killed. <p> In "Cabin Fever" Ben has completely accepted his destiny that he is no longer the island's chosen leader, John Locke is. He has been suspecting this for some time but he became 100% sure when the island broke the rules and allowed Alex to die. He even said that the island doesn't want him anymore since it gave him cancer and killed his daughter.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    have you guys heard the backwards phone call yet:

    by hamster factor

    this is reverse speech Kate heard on the phone corrected http://tinyurl.com/57prv5 not really earth shattering, but there ya go.

  • May 30, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I think it's punishment

    by CherryValance

    Seriously. We already know what the show does to DUI people. I think Harold may have been punished for going off to do his own pilot. If I were Nestor Carbonell, I'd be worried. Also don't forget Mr. Eko's cameo that didn't involve Adewale at all last night. And I bet if we ever get Rousseau's backstory she'll turn out to be bad.

  • May 30, 2008, noon CST

    I disagree Michael coming back was a waste

    by TVguy4566

    It follows the theme of the island where survivors who have evil in them get redemption and then die. See Charlie and Shannon. I agree that he didn't get enough screen time, but they did lose episodes because of the writer strike. That is probably why Michael didn't get the proper send off.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    node

    by ArcadianDS

    here's why being a supporting actor for a show like OZ is still not exactly 'hitting it big' as far as acting:<p> subscription television still lingers around the 50% level for installation to US homes. Of that 50%, less than half subscribe to any premium packages (HBO is not on any basic cable plans). Of that 25% of US homes that have HBO, even if two thirds of them watch that particular show, its in the realm of 10% to 15% of US homes watching Harold be a marvelous and amazing actor on OZ.<p> He's not quite hit the 'big time', and needs to stop acting like he's a terribly insulted Barrymore patriarch whose been asked to take a walk-on role at a dinner theater presentation of Oliver. He's a dime-a-dozen character actor who plays himself all over Hollywood on limited access cable shows, and in movies nobody buys tickets to see. He got a huge break with Lost and got to demonstrate that when it comes to yelling out a kid's name in a jungle, he's got that Midas Touch. Nobody will ever be able to utter the line WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!" again without the inevitable comparison to such a fine actor.<p> Its a shame he's going to cash out his chips in the midst of a bitter temper tantrum because he's cast member number, what are we up to now? Twelve?... to die.<p> He needs to check his ego at the airport when he leaves Hawaii because Im not sure it will fit into the carry-on bin.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    "He changed the rules." - Wait...nevermind

    by Dapper Swindler

    Ben actually does tell Widmore to his face that he changed the rules...so I forgot about that.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    What I found most amusing about the donkey wheel

    by gwarwilleatyou

    I thought it was funny that the writers had set up a pretty logical "scientific" explanation for moving the island, (overloading the bunny device) but instead blew it up to reveal a fantasy element behind it. (frozen wheel) To me this just goes along with whole science vs faith thing. To whoever said the polar bear was used to move the wheel. That makes total sense to me. Explains why it ended up in Tunisia.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I wasnt first with the polar bear wheel

    by ArcadianDS

    but my only comment was how come if the polar bears were used to move the wheel (which I fully believe they did), then why are the storage cages for the bears built on an entirely different island. If it were my construction project, the cages for the polar bears would have been built outside the 'greenhouse' above the orchid station. Makes zero sense - maybe this is a writer's gaffe that they're kinda wishing away into the cornfield and asking the rest of us to not talk about it?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Oceanic knows Jack is lying..

    by DougMcKenzie

    They would know the life raft in the pictures did not come from their plane. Is Widmore that owner of that airline?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    speaking of the wheel

    by ArcadianDS

    any theories why deep beneath a tropical island, and about 50 yards to the left, there's this underground chamber full of ice and snow? Was that crawlspace itself a wormhole? Is that arctic listening station actually another Dharma post, and you can get to it by simply crawling through a hole under the island?<p> Makes me wonder again about the theories that one of the guys on that listening post might have been Jack.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    how did Ben know about the FDW (frozen donkey wheel)

    by hamster factor

    seriously? it was blocked off in a totally sealed chamber that he had to blow a hole in to access. Ben always seems to know infinitely more than he says, but conveniently never truly reveals anything important, and not even Locke bothers to ask him the right questions.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    oceanic's raft

    by ArcadianDS

    I thought the story was that they came upon the wreckage of an ocean liner on the shores of some abandoned island, and used the raft to paddle their way to their ultimate rescue.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    polar bears moved the wheel in the past!

    by theredtoad

    read this theory on the fuselage. on Hydra Island, their cages were setup to teach them basic activities. The bears are expendable, they move the wheel and get shifted to the desert, where Charlotte finds one. It's cold down there, but the bears can handle it.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    what did Sawyer say to Kate?

    by hamster factor

    before he jumps. I could almost make out a word or two, but no quite.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Re: theredtoad (2004 Indian Ocean tsunami)

    by kyle051554

    Wait a second: are you suggesting that the December 26, 2004 tsunami was caused by the disappearance of the Island on approximately the same date?<br /><br /> That is an AWESOME theory. Simply amazing. If true, how will Locke deal with the blood of around 230,000 dead on his hands?

  • May 30, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    they aren't going to tie it in with a real tsunami...

    by hamster factor

    give me a break, that would be cheesy and pretty morbid and disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands that died in the tsunami

  • May 30, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Burger King-

    by Novaman5000

    Radio Signals travel instantly- Hence how they can have phone conversations with people on the freighter. Remember the freighter is out of sync with the rest of the island by a few minutes, but the sequences we're seeing are happening simultaneously in the timeline, if that makes any sense. The same way they can have phone conversations- that's how the signal can set the bomb off.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    The writers just keep pulling stuff out of their ass

    by MattmanReturns

    They keep raising more and more questions that never get answered. They FINALLY answered who was in the coffin from LAST YEAR'S FINALE, but it only raised more questions. I dunno why I keep watching this. There's no way it can have a satisfying conclusion. But I know I'll tune in next season, like a drone.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Re: hamster factor

    by kyle051554

    Well, they may not use it as a story point (because of the sensitive nature of it), but I don't think it's a coincidence.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    i agree, how the hell does a polar bear operate half a wheel?

    by hamster factor

    doesn't make sense. and also, why would the polar bears be used to move the wheel in the first place? the island had to be constantly moved?? seriously... I feel ashamed of myself for even engaging in a debate over the frozen donkey wheel of mystery. it is such a ridiculous plot point. it makes me think Damon and Carlton are now purposefully mocking their audience just a bit.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Harold Perrineau had some pretty crazy shit to say

    by Charlie Murphy

    about how his character went out. He said he was disappointed that he came back just to die right away and he confirmed the producers told him that was it for him. He also said it just goes to show how the show treats black people (!). check out the story at TvGuide... it's pretty whack.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Jack was listening to...

    by SpideyVSNorris

    "Gouge Away" by The Pixies. Someone earlier said "Scentless Apprentice". Same era, wrong band, wrong song, wrong season.

  • May 30, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    oh sorry Node

    by Charlie Murphy

    didn't realize it's been discussed already... i agree it would suck to come back to a show for so little time...

  • May 30, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    polar bears and donkey wheels

    by zom-bot.com

    i have a hunch the wheel room is in a wormhole under a pole (north or south, who knows)and not directly connected to the orchid station by a physical wall, so much. like throwing in the metal stuff blew open a dimensional tear to that room, not merely just the door to it.<P> the room itself is really bare (no pun intended) looks like a cheap set...there's a pic on lostpedia that shows something i was wondering about while i watched last night: the floor seems littered with tiny bits..not pebbles, but 'dog food' just like what was dispensed in the cages.<P>true, the wheel is only half exposed, but the holes on the wheel would indicate things to be chained or tied to it. it was frozen in place, the island is frozen in place. the wheel turns a bit, it jumps in time a bit. if it were to constantly turn, would the island begin to exist in real, constant time again? the wall blocking the wheel from full rotation by animals looks old, but also thrown together, to specifically keep the wheel from constant spinning....or maybe keep the other animal on the other side of the wheel away from its oppositely charged counterpart.yin and yang. also note the wheel has 8 spokes, like the dharma logo and the ancient symbol it's based upon.also, for all we know there could have been another ben in a mirror universe pushing the other side at the same time, if you want to get freaky.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I think in last year's...

    by Kid Z

    ...season finale, where we first saw "Beardy Jack", he actually was playing Scentless Apprentice as he was driving around. However, last night, you're right, he was playing the Pixies' Gouge Away when he drove up at night to break into the funeral home. Great song by a great, but under-appreciated band, by the way.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Harold Perrineau

    by evildeadgeorge

    If there was any chance he would've ever come back again(and really, it would have to be in the same capacity as Claire or Jack's Dad), I'm pretty sure that got shot to hell when he said "Darlton doesn't care about black people." I do completely agree though that a reunion with Walt at some point would've had a lot of emotional impact if it was done right. I guess it's all in where Walt's storyline goes from here, if anywhere.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    donkey wheel and the wall

    by Bouncy X

    we never saw ben actually reach the wall, the flash hit and then he was presumably sent to that desert or wherever before he touched it. so that could explain the bear in the desert since it would get sent away before/as it reached the wall as well.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Pokadoo... Yeah the 90's rocked...

    by Kid Z

    ...great music and I had money to burn. Not like in this sorry excuse for a millenium! The 00's SUCK!

  • May 30, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    more wheel shit

    by zom-bot.com

    another ding in the fully rotational animal wheel, is- surely the geniuses behind it's design would have designed a rounded room, instead of a square. i think so much mystery behind that wheel room- for me anyway- springs from the fact it looked cheaper and crappier than a doctor who cave from an episode in the 70's. when you look at the donkeywheel pic on lostpedia, it makes you want to puke. big foam rocks with cartoonish cracks cut in them, no dust, dirt or ice in the joints, sitting on a smooth concrete floor like the set was made in a one car garage.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Walt turns out to be Barack Obama

    by hamster factor

    and he has the key to healing this racial tension and he plays backgammon with John McCain. that is the meaning of the whole show. that is my theory and I'm sticking to it.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    the alternate endings

    by the new transported man

    Were funny in quick succession. They should've filmed versions with Vincent, TASG, & Lando Calrissian.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    new walt? as if

    by Bouncy X

    funny little story, i read an article talking about the finale, and the writer actually said it didnt look like walt. almost sounded like he was implying they hired someone new. like what the hell? yes he looked much older but that was clearly the same actor, he was recognizable and even had that same manner of speaking. that guy is either blind or hasnt seen any older walt episodes in a long time.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    stop being stupid

    by ArcadianDS

    its not 'half a wheel', morons. And Ben only moved it a little bit.<p> oh and for you extra-stupid ones, the reason is because you can then move the island and ta-da, the polar bear is the one that can never return. poor little polar bear.<p> as to how - right because Im sure that the little tunnel is the only way to get in there - and that they actually forged that gigantic metal wheel INSIDE THAT HOLE because its bigger than the tunnel.<p> If this thread is to reach 10k posts, it needs to stop being so god damned retarded.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    wheel room pic

    by zom-bot.com

    this is the pic i was talking about- remove gaps <P> http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:FDK.jpg <P>look at all the 'dog food' on the floor.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    sorry- bigger pic

    by zom-bot.com

    http://images.lostpedia.com/images/f/ff/FDK.jpg

  • May 30, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    fish biscuits and 'dog food'.

    by zom-bot.com

    you can come over to my house and i'll play back the episode to show you how food pebbles also fell down that chute, jackass. the fish biscuit was an extra treat.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    ok, dog food - Vincent must have something to do with this

    by hamster factor

    Clearly, Vincent knows all about the donkey wheel and was in charge of it. I always said watch out for Vincent - he is pulling the strings

  • May 30, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Every time I read a really dumbass post...

    by Dapper Swindler

    ...I then check the name of the author - and most of the time it is hamster factor.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    ben goes to desert- polar bear goes to desert

    by zom-bot.com

    it doesn't take rocket science to assume the two are connected. if you have a better theory, post ity. i'm just posting mine. i'm not saying yours are wrong, i'm not saying mine are right, i'm just trying to validate some obvious theories. someone, at some point, used A ploar bear to move that wheel. end of my theory, and hundreds of thousands of others who think the same thing today.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I'm Sick...of Lying

    by SamDonovan

    If for no other reason than his delivery of the time traveling bunny line, I think Michael Emerson deserves the Emmy.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Wonder when Harold would start bitching about race.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Guess he forgots all the non-blacks that have come and gone on that show. It's a nicely diverse show but if Harry isn't the primo character, he starts to whine about supposed racism. Fucking loser. <p></p> And Arcadian or w/e your name is, calm the fuck down. I seem to remember Ben moving the wheel at least one revolution.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Good Finale, but many hanging threads...

    by DrEdwardMorbius

    ...the food drops? The 4 toed statue and the anomalies and the hiroglyphs and the "frozen donkey wheel to alter time/space" and even the smoke monster can all be explained by the island being an etraterrestrial experiment (ala Dark City) or a kind of ET ship. But if Penny could only find it via her portugese-manned tracking station, how did whomever is making the food drops find it? Also, does anyone think we will ever find out what the "sky turning purple" when Desmond turned that key was all about? I think the true "Others" (Alpert, you know, the guy with more eyeliner on than Marilyn Manson on a Friday night)are in fact, aliens (...from beyond the 8th dimension, perhaps?) and the island(s) is (are) their ship. More on this later...

  • May 30, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Eh, I think Harold has a few sour grapes.

    by Novaman5000

    Look, Michael did not deserve a happy ending. He murdered two people in cold blood. He got his redemption in the form of buying the freighter time and (most likely) allowing Jin to get far enough away from the blast to survive.<p> As for making this a black issue, come on. It's completely uncalled for and fairly unprofessional of him to be pulling out shit like that. There is a range of ethnicities in the show, and Walt and Rose are some of the most well-liked characters on the show. <p> That being said, Darlton should have been more upfront about him coming back and his death. It should have been something they talked about before he came on board, though I wonder if he would have taken it up if that was the case? It seems like he's got a bit of an ego, this one.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    holes for leverage.

    by zom-bot.com

  • May 30, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    holes for leverage -repost

    by zom-bot.com

    i'd assume the inventors of this wheel would either have given handles for 'leverage' or made the design easier to turn by a man. sure it was frozen, ben isn't super strong (as far as we know, but a good fighter in a pinch).or if the holes were made simply to have something inserted in them, wouldn't that something be kept in that room? why did ben already know to bring a crowbar otherwise?

  • May 30, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    People who complain about the fakeness of the frozen set

    by Dapper Swindler

    Are probably the same people who complained that Jack's "fake" beard looked fake in the last season finale. (It was actually a real beard)

  • May 30, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    hey man, i love lost, i'm just saying

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm a guy who avoided lost because i figured something that popular had to be for idiots. then one night, cable went out, but i got abc. i can't tell you what episode was on but i got hooked on that one episode. i'm usually also a defender of sets, physical props over CG, and budgetary/location restraints, but come on, for a season finale of television's biggest budget show, that wheel room cave was crap, and it hurts me to say it, i'm not just being negative willy nilly like most guys here.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    not saying dog food FELL in cave

    by zom-bot.com

    i'm saying it was on the fucking floor when he got there, which it was.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    the dog food falling mention

    by zom-bot.com

    was about it coming out of the chute, followed by a fishbiscuit, in sawyers cage. eventually it ran out of dumping food and only dispensed biscuits. sawyer never attempted to eat the pebbles of it either,if i recall.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Is it possible that Jin survived the explosion?

    by J-Dizzle

    And what about Faraday's boat? Are they stranded in the middle of the ocean?

  • May 30, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    BEST SHOW EVER

    by Luscious.868

    Heroes? Yeah right.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Jin could be alive. And Faraday's boat...

    by Novaman5000

    I'm thinking it got sucked to wherever the island did. It didn't get far enough away in time.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    "Gouge Away" by The Pixies. Someone earlier said "Scentless Appr

    by zombieface

    ...and she was talking about that wrong season.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    not a wooden wheel

    by ArcadianDS

    you need an HD television, friend. Its 2008.<p> If polar bears aren't used for the wheel, why is there a dead one in Tunisia with a dharma collar on it? Instead of the plausible "someone used it to turn the wheel during 'the incident' " theory, feel free to keep cooking up some of the most insane lunatic ramblings you can muster. Yeah alien spaceships thats the ticket<p> And yeah its a secret - still doesn't explain why the holding pens for the polar bears used to turn the wheel are location on AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISLAND. "oh hey there's animal cages - somebody must be keeping some kind of portal a secret, right?" "uh no the pens are on a different island." "oh okay then, guess there must not be any secret portals anywhere since clearly they're all caged on some other island."<p> stupid<p> Lets see we have a polar bear skeleton in a region of the country that happens to be where Ben winds up after turning a wheel that is in a frozen tundra of a cavern, but yeah you must be right - it couldn't have been that a polar bear was used down there. that would just make waay too much sense, amirite?<p> this whole thread has enough C-retard to stupid up an entire aircraft carrier.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Jack n' Ben in: Weekend At Locke's!

    by TallBoy66

    I am looking forward to Season 5 and Jack and Ben turning into a roadtrip adventure, globetrotting with Locke's coffin the backseat. Think of all the wacky, Weekend at Bernie's-esque adventures those two chuckle buddies could get into! <BR> "Jack, where did you leave Locke?" <BR>"Me? I thought he was with you!" <BR>*cut to Dead-Locke, slumped over in a chair, being offered a teacup by a wealthy debutante* <BR>"More tea, Mr. Hudgenson?" <BR>*back to Jack and Ben, rolling their eyes in Exasperated. Together:* <BR>"Here we go again!!"

  • May 30, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    face it: they've been trying to explain those polar bears since

    by hamster factor

    and it still isn't working. personally I preferred the very first theories and hints that it was being created out of Walt's imagination (the comic book). They should have just let the polar bear issue die after they gave us the cage and experiment explanation. the polar bears don't need to serve any other function, but they insisted on stirring it up again instead of answering other questions we've had since s1

  • May 30, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    bears,ben,charlotte

    by zom-bot.com

    ben knew about the ice room. he brought a jacket. ben knew the wheel would be frozen, he brought a crowbar, been knew when you turn the wheel you leave the island, but he still seemed a little surprised when he woke up in the desert.Charlotte found a polar bear skeleton in the desert, and was looking for one. so she obviosly knows about the room, or knows enough to have been sent out to find where the bear had transported to. so i'm guessing the bear/s weren't a permanent fixture of the wheel room, but a large guinea pig someone used to see what happened in the room, or to turn the wheel once at no risk to a person. the bears were already trained to work basic machines/flip levers/etc. maybe they just threw a bear and some food down there and waited.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Closing in on 1000 posts

    by edshrinker

    in 24 hours. Not bad. Not bad at all. 10k will fall.

  • May 30, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    So, ArcadianDS...

    by DrEdwardMorbius

    ...you're kind of a dick, eh? That's okay, we all forgive you because we are just happy you were able to chime in from your 7th grade classroom... For the record, my 1080p showed a woodden wheel...cock

  • May 30, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by the new transported man

    Imagine all of those alternate endings, but played in succession, same music cues, same cameras, same dialogue. It's basically the most glorious easter egg imaginable.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    node- hoping and guessing about the dog food

    by zom-bot.com

    glad we finally understand each other about sawyer's cage, etc. basically, i'm hoping that the small, dark round specks in a white and gray room are dog food, because otherwise it just lends more to my notion of a cheapy set. 'let's just sprinkle some dark gravel on the floor of this lightly stoned cave'...<P>and i really don't want to assume it's cheap set design. one thing they could have done to clinch my idea was to show ben's feet crucnhing it

  • May 30, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Hey, D Vader

    by DrEdwardMorbius

    Not trying to irk you at all, I respect your posts and opinions, I am curious as to how you make the connection between the food drops (Dharma stock) and the Others (Who killed the Dharma folks with Ben via the gas)? Do you think the Others took over the Dharma infrastructure, or that maybe some of the Others are off the island and pretending to be Dharma?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jack to Desmond:

    by hamster factor

    "I'll see you in another life brother". any significance, or just random farewell? They better not get rid of Desmond, he is one of the best characters on the show. Although i don't see what they can do with him now that the entire goal of his life has been achieved in reuniting with Penny.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    No one thinking about Farraday yet?

    by Lemming

    He was up to something. taking people off the island was a cover for what he was up to and he was eager to get his fellow crewmates off there ASAP. Perhaps they have something to do with what goes wrong?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Hamster...

    by DrEdwardMorbius

    ...Desmond said that to Jack in a Jack-centric flashback when he was training (running in the stadium)...

  • May 30, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    holy shit

    by necgray

    At both the size of this TB already and at the episode. Amazing. And the part of me that loves to see Ben abuse Locke was all too happy at that coffin scene.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    I've been watching it on a 55 inch plasma hd

    by Dapper Swindler

    And there's no way to determine whether the wheel was metal, wood, plastic, or whatever. Also, who the hell cares?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Orchid Station = Superman II Fortress of Solitude Trick

    by Cheif Brody

    Here's my dopey theory of the day...since we're all being retarded. <p> I think Ben learned from "the incident" long ago...that if you put metal in the teleport pod...it transfers the mojo outside the pod room. <p> The same way Supes reversed the mojo on Lex Luthor and Zod and sucked out their power while restoring his own. <p> I think Ben knew releasing the energy into the Orchid...then spinning the Donkey Wheel...would transfer him far further than a few milliseconds into the future. <p> I think when he said it's unpredictable & dangerous to move the island...I think he meant: <p> Unpredictable = time travel <p> Dangerous = Can destroy the island <p> Ben had no idea where he would land in the future...time or place-wise...and "bad things" happened to the island after he left.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    the einsteins of polar bears

    by zom-bot.com

    just a funny note, when someone (sawyer?hurley?shit i should know) said that those polar bears must have been the einsteins of polar bears, and the fact that they may or may not be connected into being trained to operate the wheel, which may or may not operate a device that may or may not create a boseeinstein whateverthefuck to time and space.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Walt's Comment to Hurley

    by Black Jaguar

    Why would Bentham tell Walt to ask Hurley why are they all lying? Why couldnt Locke just tell Walt the truth or did he not want to be the one to tell him Michael was dead?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    They are gonna go wayyy back in time

    by zillabeast

    And prevent the entire series of events from ever happening. Flight 815 will not crash.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    node, what else did you expect?

    by necgray

    What exactly is "hokey" about the premise you established? I mean, it doesn't sound any more "hokey" than "Alien Genius and Human Companion Travel Through Time and Space in a Police Box" or "Famed Spaceship of Cyborg Decimated Human Population Seeks Shelter from Said Cyborgs" or "Mother of Future Human Resistance Against Evil Computer Fights Time-Travelling Cyborgs to Ensure Son Lives to Become Leader of the Resistance". I could go on, but I think I made my point.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    a few comments

    by MacTard420

    locke probably doesn't know that michael died in the explosion. probably why he didn't tell walt. also, walt may have known his father was dead. it wasn't exactly clear cut in that convo with Hurley. also, does anyone else think Mikhail might pop up again? That guy was badass!

  • May 30, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Hey Pogo

    by Purgatori

    Thanks! I didn't see all of that ep. That makes sense. Also, Sun's reaction was amazing. I actually was tearing up at that point because that was a scream of pure agony. If I saw my husband die that would be sound I made. That's acting. And Michael Emerson deserves an Oscar, Emmy, and a damn Tony for what he has done with that character. He's amazing and deserves it. I'm curious to see what the bad things were. And did the Others turn on them? And I'm also curious as to if the Others actually are the crew of the pirate ship. That's an interesting theory.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I don't find it hokey, but then...

    by necgray

    I'm okay with the fantastical. I know the "hard science vs magic" debate has gone on in here before. I don't remember where you landed on that, though it seems obvious you're not a fan of the "magic" explanation. I understand, but I agree that if you like the show you may just have to get over that dislike. What I love about the show is that there's still a balance. Yeah, it's fantastical that there's an actual method to actually moving the island through time and/or space. But it's grounded in some kind of reality. It involves turning a wheel that's hooked up to a device of some kind. There's still some practical stuff going on. It's not like Ben broke a chicken's neck and chanted in backwards Latin.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Metal in the time vault

    by alex138

    maybe im not reading into it deep enough but i thought it was obvious Ben put metal in there to blow up the wall so he could reach the wheel. he seemed very dismissive about the whole Dharma stuff with his comment of, 'Silly experiments.' Also have Darlton given an official statement on the theory of the island being Atlantis? The whole island dissapearing into thin air seems like it could have spawned the legened of the great city of Atlantis being swallowed by the ocean.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    speaking of magic vs science

    by necgray

    Did anyone else think that Michael freezing the battery was meant to be a clue into the workings of the wheel room? It felt that way to me. I'm not sure about the implication, though. It would appear that if the battery freezing were true of all electrical devices, then the wheel's probably not an electrical device. Is that icing natural or did the creators of the wheel room make a giant freezer of some kind?

  • May 30, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    necgray

    by alex138

    i thought that too. it seems like a logical assumption that they froze the room to prevent the wheel from turning, otherwise the island may forever be jumping through time.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    D Vader

    by DrEdwardMorbius

    Very well thought out, I'll mull that over for a while in the Krell Labs...Maybe Mittelos/DeGroots were Others all along, setting up Dharma so they could have an outside infrastructure, but who would the coin come from. We know Whidmore has big coin, we think Ben does too...maybe the Others had something of massive value (gold in quantities, or diamonds, etc...)and were able to accomplish all of this funding themselves. I'd perfer to think they were devious and "took over" Hanso or something of that nature. At least we'll have plenty to review before next year.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    not about freezing electrical devices,

    by zom-bot.com

    but about freezing the chemical reaction that makes the electricty. and your point is good, they probably do play off each other. way up top someone talked about the two'elements' that cause the reaction in the wheel room needing to be stored at a cold temperature safely.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Don't get the polar bear confusion....

    by giger167

    Loved the finale, great from start to finish. Not really sure I get the polar bear arguments though. Wasn't the whole point of the show that moving the island was a final solution and not one to be taken lightly. Surely it is fair to assume that smaller experiements were made previously using the smaller teleport device (the device they filled with metal) that would of explained the moving of the polar bears or other objects in space and time ???? Doesn't this device tap into this wheel thing that Ben went down to. Why would polar bears have to be in the wheel room ????

  • May 30, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Speaking of the Wheel Room

    by Kweeno

    Not Ice folks... Room was coated in Sea Salt Hint hint

  • May 30, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    alex138 re: frozen room

    by necgray

    If their intent was to prevent the wheel from turning, they could've put a lock on it of some kind. I agree that it's a preventative measure, but if it's related to the battery, then I think they were trying to prevent an electro-chemical reaction of some kind. What is it? I don't know. Am I full of shit? Could be.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Wheel Room pt.2

    by Kweeno

    No "Ice Breath" from Ben Seems to be an Atlantis situation

  • May 30, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Atlantis did disappear, right?

    by rbrog77

    I'm just sayin...

  • May 30, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    thanks, zom-bot

    by necgray

    Yeah, I probably have the science wrong since I'm rubbish at the science. And I remembered a minute ago that Michael said it was the chemical reaction he was trying to prevent. But I do know writing and that's too much scripted coincidence to completely ignore.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Nap- regarding Jack

    by BrightEyes

    I know some have corrected you but Jack didn't shoot Keemy, Richard did, And when you found out you tried to backtrack and say you were giving Jack credit for something he didn't do when in the previous post you said Jack was a failure and couldn't even pull that off. Come on man, why hate to hate, those 2 post proved your not using logic or fairness and will just bash the guy at any chance. So know I'll add you to the people to not debate no matter what because of their extreme hatred for Jack. Also I never said Jack was a perfect man, far from it, Jack is an absolute mess and probably in the worst shape of all Lost characters since season 3's finale, but guess what thats what makes me love his character, he fucks up trying to do the right thing, and in my life I have fucked up so many times and did so many stupid things when my heart was in the right place but ended up losing. Lost to me is a show about redemption , it has helped me get through a lot of my own problems in life, and gave me hope to redeem myself for all my fuck ups and Jack Shephard is a fuck up with a good heart, same as me. So don't try to twist my words around and say I think Jack is perfect, if he was I wouldn't like him. And no matter how much I love Jack or I never HATE any other Lost character, I even love Locke, he's in my top 5 favorites, but when it came to Jack vs Locke, I went with Jack since season 1 to make the show more fun, and a sense of gambling to it. Now that Locke is gone, there is no more Team Jack and I will Be part of Team Losties vs Team Widmore . Maybe because of shift in teams I'll receive less post bashing me, doesn't make a difference to me though I am sticking through Jack till the end and I'm sure he'll fuck up many more times as will I in life, I can only hope that in the end we can reach redemption. Team Losties

  • May 30, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Moving the island is both dangerous and unpredictable

    by Dapper Swindler

    Think about it...maybe Ben meant that it was dangerous and unpredictable for the MOVER. Indeed it was - sent him halfway across the world and a year into the future.

  • May 30, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Finally...a refreshing thread

    by Sleeperkid

    Where hardly anyone's said a negative word about what was easily one of the most exciting finales I've yet to see. Say what you will about LOST, but man...the shit just feels...EPIC.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    The sci-fi elements are here to stay

    by Lovecraftfan

    If people dont like that they're going to hate the rest of Lost.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Not that I care about Claire, but...

    by Underdogthe3rd

    Didn't Desmond said to Charlie that he saw her in the hellicopter leaving the island?

  • May 30, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHY LIBBY WAS IN THE NUTHOUSE

    by rhcp2sweet

    That's the mystery that's been bugging the shit out of me that they probably will never answer.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I hate when actors...

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    say stupid things like "If I were writing it, I would write it differently."<p>Well, jackass, that's why you're not writing it... because if LOST was written by someone like Harold Perrineau, then everyone's story would just tie up nicely and the show would have ended after two seasons.<p>It reminds me of Season 3 when Naveen Andrews was complaining about limited screen time even though he was getting PAID as a regular whether he had many lines or none. Have you ever seen what regular cast members get paid in a show like LOST? It's more than most people make in a year or more!! (Not that I'm for less Sayid or that the writer's have neglected him this season... hell he's one of the Oceanic Six and he had a kick-ass fight scene with Keamy in the finale!!).<p>In any case, I'm sure Perrineau was compensated nicely for his return to the show. But, as far as I'm concerned, he's tainted any "legacy" he had as an actor by badmouthing the Darlton.<p> Plus... I may be the only one who finds this amusing... but remember how Harold Perrineau was cast in "The Matrix: Reloaded" as Link because Marcus Chong (aka Tank) pissed off the Wachowski brothers? Maybe Perrineau pissed off Darlton at some point before or after his season 4 return... so they decided to just get rid of him. <p>Perhaps Perrineau should have learned something about not biting the hand that feeds you (aka the writers who decide your character's fate!!!) from his experience in the Matrix sequels.<p>

  • May 30, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Epic

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    indeed

  • May 30, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I think Jin might have survived.

    by Captain RawBeard

    I reckon his body was blasted into the water and when the island vanished it scooped him up too along with Faraday on the raft. <br> <br> I like the idea of Widmore being the Captain of the Blackrock and somehow ended up in the future.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    My previous post was the 1001st of this TB

    by rhcp2sweet

    That means we're 1/12 of the way to catching up to the season 3 finale's talkback

  • May 30, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    clearly, with respect to the dog food, Libby is Hurley's real fa

    by hamster factor

    ... prove me wrong, just try

  • I swore last year I was through with this show until the season finale convinvced me no. Guess what?<br><br>I'm through with this fuckin' show. Locke's in the casket! The island's gone! Who fuckin' cares; awful, awful awful.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Desmond lied to charlie about claire?

    by hamster factor

    to make him feel better? I don't remember when he said that... but really the way Claire's character has been treated this season totally fucks up Charlie's legacy. She didn't really care that Charlie died, she acted useless and annoying all season and then went and got herself killed/abducted by ghosts.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    It's likely that the island was moved before during the purge

    by Dapper Swindler

    They killed the DI and then moved the island so they couldn't get back. Maybe not in that order. They probably made a polar bear do it. Brought the bear in through another wider entrance. But maybe it collapsed and that's why Ben needed to get in through blasting a hole in the Orchid pod. Just thinking out loud. <p> But when Charlotte found that polar bear in Tunisia, she knew what she was looking for. She wasn't at all surprised.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice

    by Purgatori

    that Claire wasn't speaking with an Australian accent in Kate's dream/vision? Cause yeah...no accent...at least that I heard.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    AfterLOST

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    That would pretty much have to be the name of any spin-off show, D. Vader. I'm in!! :)

  • May 30, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    if they moved the island since DI...

    by hamster factor

    then who the hell is still delivering those food drops and how do they find them?

  • May 30, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Locke is Sawyer

    by thebizzle76

    No one else catches this? Sawyer is a false name (I think this was established a season or two ago)-somehow with all the time traveling stuff Sawyer is an alternate version of Locke (think also of how Sawyer is a con man while Locke is the victim of cons-alternate universes...) Good episode, looking forward to January 2008

  • May 30, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Purgatori

    by hamster factor

    yes, i did notice that, and was going to post the same question but forgot. very strange, because the actress is actually Australian. I thought I didn't listen carefully, but she really sounds American

  • May 30, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    D.Vader

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    I agree... everyone wants screen time.<p>And, yes, no one is arguing that regular actors in hit shows get paid a ton of money.<p>But, I think it's kind of selfish to complain about screen time when you're part of an ensemble cast. If "Lost" were "The Harold Perrineau Show"... well, that's a different story. But it's not... and he should just be grateful he got 2 1/2 seasons of work on one of the coolest shows ever. It's a helluva lot more than Ian Somerhalder and Maggie Grace got!!

  • May 30, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The food drops...

    by Dapper Swindler

    Are a total fucking mystery. We don't even know if they are being dropped from a plane (no one saw one).

  • May 30, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Claire's accent in the dream

    by Dapper Swindler

    Hurley once had a dream with Jin speaking English with an American accent.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    it's one thing

    by MacTard420

    to be disappointed about a lack of screentime and another thing entirely to openly complain about it to the press/public. Actors should act more professionally. I think Michael's role was probably reduced a bit because of the strike but I don't think his fate would have changed all that much with a few more episodes.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Ben is an alternate version of Jack

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Both had dads that abused the sauce, right? And both became leaders?

  • May 30, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    YOOOO FUCKERS I JUST CAME UP WITH SOMETHING

    by JBouganim1

    <p>Next season we will obv see the 3 years flashback with the remainder of the island ppl and prob see real time with the oceanic six and etc. </p> <p> so basically we will see Locke leave the island to come to the 6 and try to get them to go back. </p> <p> Sayid says "they said it was a suicide" with a yea i dont believe that shit expression. So he was prob killed right? </p> <p> who would kill him? </p> <p> My money is on Sun </p>

  • May 30, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I cheered when Keamy got it

    by Sithdan

    That SOB had to go.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Danielle is an alternate version of Kate

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Both are natural survivors and have offspring issues; Kate and Aaron, Danielle and Alex. And both have dark curly hair..lol

  • May 30, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    cont.

    by JBouganim1

    <p> So at the season finale of next year we will see Locke get killed by Sun (end of the 3 yr flashback) and a cut to her now going back to the island having arrangements with Widmore and whatever. Like her turning now evil or something </p> anyone else like this?

  • May 30, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    One thing is for sure

    by BrightEyes

    Sawyer is smoooootttthhhh

  • May 30, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    gotham night

    by Dapper Swindler

    Who was Ben's Man on the boat?<p> Michael<p> Didn't Ben have a list of people for Michael? <p> Yes, probably the science team <p> Why was Michael even aboard the boat if Widemore was just gonna blow it up? <p> Widmore had not intention of blowing up the boat, that was Keamy's idea. In fact, if the boat were blown up, how would he transport Ben back?<p> How did the Helicopter show up to the boat in "real time", and not a day later? <p>By using bearing 305 and avoiding any time dilation. <p> Got anymore? Be glad to help anyone else

  • May 30, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    whats with the food drops?

    by hamster factor

    seriously, if only someone had a crack pot theory about it around here... ah well.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    some folks theorize hurley is a 'bad guy'

    by zom-bot.com

    i dunno, he's definately selfish. he knew his weight would help the others on the heli, and did nothing. rewatching season 3 he did alot of dumb ass stuff to get people caught, noticed, screwed etc.... supposedly on good natured accident (shooting the flare- bringing mikail to the group with the downed helicopter chick, as well as blowing other covers of silence or stealth)<P>you can chalk it up to bad luck, being a clutz, or both of those things being a great cover for some traitorism. but who would be be halping and why? his flashback don't show anything dubious in his past or future, the weirdest thing being him and sun basically not wanting to see anyone else, but not minding each other's presence.

  • May 30, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The metal in the closet and the wheel in the cave

    by Bunger!

    I follow the notion that the wheel caused some kind of travel to the future; what I don't get is why it was necessary to "put the fork in the microwave" first.... I understand that the closet is some kind of time travel chamber, but why did Ben zap the metal in it first? What is the relationship between the closet and the wheel???

  • May 30, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    If Lost is anything like Cloverfield.

    by cookylamoo

    It'll be a big bummer ending with the island killing everyone.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    gotham night

    by Dapper Swindler

    How does Widemore not know about Penny's boat? The Searcher? Why would he? Widemore knew that Ben wanted to kill Penny. Is Ben also on Penny's boat? He WILL know - you understand that scene was in the future right?

  • May 30, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Node32774

    by zacdilone

    I find your post very amusing. The reasons you give for not liking the finale are rooted entirely in the theories others are putting forward? You realize you didn't make one cogent criticism of the finale itself, you only spit back unsubstantiated theories as your reason for not liking it.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    dharma logo is in cloverfield, y'know

    by zom-bot.com

    flashes in the corner of the screen during the introductory government titles. <P>for about half a second i wondered if the island was just the exposed peak on a giant monster. until shit started getting really weird. now i still wonder what connection to cloverfield there is to LOST, if any besides the logo.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    so now Sawyer starts tapping Juliet...

    by hamster factor

    son of a bitch. last dude you'd want to get stuck on a paranormal island full of beautiful woman with. cock blocking bastard.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    hey edshrinker

    by The_Squid

    are you gonna post a torrent this episode? Is it already there and I'm just blind?

  • May 30, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    juliet was totally unattractive to me before

    by zom-bot.com

    dunno. maybe it was all the backstabbing. but she's grown on me. she was all tanned and crap yesterday. and drunk. total tiger/librarian style. go sawyer. make some charlottes.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    ALTERNATE ENDINGS

    by edshrinker

    Now we know where the Des and a suit outside Hoffs/Drawler came from:<p> So they did do Sawyer and Des alternate endings in the coffin. Very cool. I wish they had leaked that instead of the correct one. I am so glad Des made it, however!<p> Alternates:<p> http://tinyurl.com/6aq7xj<p> I apologize if this is a repost - I have only made it 1/2 through the awesome feedback here since last night.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Maybe, they have to sacrafice Aarron?

    by The Dum Guy

    If kids aren't supposed to be born on the island, but "Claire" doesn't want him to go back...<br><br>I dunno, maybe the kid is actually the anti-christ or the 2nd coming of the real christ...<br><br>Okay, both of those sound stupid, but wasn't originally the idea for the show not to have time travel? This show is making me have weird dreams.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Coffin too short

    by fignootin

    Not to offend anyone who thinks Locke's legs are cut off (rolls eyes slightly), but the coffin looks short because of our vision. It's called the horizontal illusion or something like that. See the top hat example here: http://www.wisebread.com/ optical-illusions-that-make-you- fatter-and-your- wallet-lighter Mind the spaces. Anyway, if you ever see pics of people lying down, they will appear shorter than their actual height. It's the nature of our vision. Also, when you spread your arms apart at their widest, you'll have your height. Arms spread width=height of body or something. So if you look at that pic of Jack standing over the coffin, imagine if his hands were wide apart and I bet youd get around the length of the coffin. Also as an animator, may I add that they seemed to have used a different focal length or lens to fit the entire room in the picture when shooting from above. That would definitely distort the appearance of the coffin since it's halfway down Jack's body in regards to Jack's head being closer to the camera. Just some food for thought. Cool ep.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    if you're not sure about Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet)

    by hamster factor

    then you've got to check the movie Gia, also staring Angelina Jolie... trust me dudes

  • May 30, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Metal in the time travel closet

    by Steve Trevor

    Much like frying a microwave, Ben put the metal in there to blow out the back wall.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Dharma logo in Cloverfield

    by Steve Trevor

    Was just a wink-wink to the boys on LOST and to the fans. No "serious" connection. Both JJ and Matt Reeves have said this in the commentary and documentaries on the DVD.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    But Drew Goddard

    by BrightEyes

    The writer of Cloverfield and writer on Lost has said that there might be a connection between the two. giving a hint of the possibility .

  • May 30, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Food drops

    by Steve Trevor

    The food drops were likely triggered by Ben or Desmond at the hatch via a coding. A similar coding existed at the Flame and Desmond has said that the computer is capable of more than just the whole numbers/magnetism protocol. It has been theorized that they came from some place intra-island - NOT from the outside world.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    BrightEyes

    by Steve Trevor

    I think the connection is exactly that - he has written both.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    hamster factor

    by slkboxrman

    regarding jack saying "see you another life, brother" ...if u have been watchin since they introduced desmond, when jack was running the steps in the stadium and hurt his ankle, desmond came over and they spoke and before desmond left jack he said "see u in another life, brother" he basically used desmonds first words to him as a touching goodbye.... i loved it

  • May 30, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    maybe

    by BrightEyes

    but you can never say never when it comes to Lost.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by Steve Trevor

    I hate to be a hope killer anyway.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Sun and Jin

    by AbsoluteTruth

    Ok so Sun is obviously trying to use Widmore to help her get back to the island because she believes Jin may still be alive and she wants to get back to him. Why else would she want to go back? Its only a matter of time until she comes in contact with Jack and will probably be more willing to go with him to see if Jin is still alive. With all this considered youd have to figure that Jin is still alive because they will spend a decent amount of time next season showing us how bad Sun believes Jin is alive and how she wants to go back to him. I really dont think the writers would set that up for him to actually be dead.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    slkboxrman

    by hamster factor

    yeah, someone else reminded me of that too. i forgot where I'd heard it before.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who thinks...

    by vlad.e

    Locke was killed by Alpert and his tribe? Alpert's smile and oddly cold "welcome home, John" seemed to be concealing a conspiratorial tone. And Alpert knew, from the test he gave young Locke, that something about Locke wasn't meant for the island. I have a feeling that next season we'll discover that things on the island did not go well after Locke Administration took office.

  • May 30, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Why did Ben move the island???

    by ricardomontalkhan

    It makes no sense.. they had already killed the intruders. someone help me understand. haha hey Losties... check out this great new blog on blogspot. it's called thebitterproducer

  • May 30, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    best line of finale

    by slkboxrman

    locke "you just killed everyone on the boat!!!" ben "so"

  • May 30, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Close to The Wire now

    by curiousdog

    Lost is moving into Wire-esque territory now,its that damn good, although The Wire didn't need crazy twists for you to be like "awwww sheeeeeeeeeeeeeetttttt". See the penultimate episode of Season 2 where Sabotka walks towards the Greeks as the corrupt FBI guy makes a call, or the look on Omar's face when he finds out Marlo had Brucie killed. Locke in the coffin was genius though!

  • May 30, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Wuhuh?

    by Purgatori

    Mittleos Bioscience = Lost Time Bioscience. I just noticed this. Am I behind?

  • May 30, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    ben moved the island

    by MacTard420

    cuz JACOB told them to!

  • May 30, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    ricardomontalkhan

    by slkboxrman

    creative name BTW.....lol.... BEN had to move the island despite the intruders being killed, widmore knew where the island was and if the first team wasnt successful he would keep sending people there....moving it was the best option....and gave ben leverage over widmore in the future when he threatened widmore in his bedroom that he was going to kill penny.....i still wonder why he cant kill widmore

  • May 30, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST

    drTuring

    by slkboxrman

    good riddance to bad rubbish, meaning u of course.....btw ur comment about them using time travel as a fallback makes no sense at all...the time travel did not cause a change in the current events played out over the last 4 seasons...ben went a year or so into the future and did what ? nothing ...if time travel were to be relevant, going to the past would be better.... so since ur too dumb to realize this, its good that ur giving up on LOST, none of us will have to read ur whiny "im not gonna watch no more" crap....and at no point whatsoever did anyone involved in LOST say they were "making it up as they go" there was a plan from day one, and before this season they told us there is a definitive ending to the show that was in place since season one....thank u, have a stupid life

  • May 30, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    they ARE "making it up as they go"

    by hamster factor

    maybe they have a plan now - but they didn't in the beginning. MAYBE they knew the last scene of the last episode but they didn't seem to have any idea how they were getting there, because most of what has transpired was obviously unplanned. as i said before I don't knock it for that, it doesn't matter me as long as I remained entertained. but some stuff is pretty freaking random, as I have been satirizing on this TB

  • May 30, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Just watched...great ep.

    by Desmondo

    I can understand why people don't place it up there with Through the Looking glass but I actually thought it had a lot more plot going on. Jacks' flashforward last season was pretty much a MacGuffin to throw us off the final scene. <p> Here, and in the last episode I realised I am continually seeing things I thought I would have to wait a lot longer to see. The Oceanic 6 coming home, the aftermath of the 'we have to go back', the coffin, Desmond/Penny, etc. I'm glad that Alan Dale is in Spamalot, because there is something cool about seeing them film in London proper. <p> Also I believe that Penny has to die. Otherwise Desmond will end up in that bad place where characters have all their loose ends tied up. Apart from 'The Constant' he has basically contributed nothing this season apart from the odd 'What ya doin' Sayid man?' line on the freighter. I think Penny has to die, and he has to seek revenge for the character to have any kind of emotional journey. <p> It was nice to see Walt back, but I'm not really sure he added any. <p> Oh and Kudos to the writers for actually having the guts to show a man push a large wheel and then for the island do disappear. Imagine if you knew that was going to happen back in Season 1. On paper it sounds horrible, and tbh I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced but it was pretty gutsy. I also liked how even though everything strange/supernatural has some ambiguity to it, they made a point that Jack could come up with no explanation for it. You can argue that Mr Friendly swapped the gun, etc, but really there can be no coincedence/other explanation for an island disappearing.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Also with regards to Claire helicopter/thing

    by Desmondo

    I'm pretty sure that Darlton said recently they knew who the Oceanic 6 were back in Season 2. So clearly when they wrote the stuff with Claire in the helicopter, they knew she wasn't going to get off. <p> Then again, to be honest as a writer they know Charlie had to sacrifice his life and the only motiviation he would ever have for this is if it helps Claire. Then they just explain it with a throw-away line, future changes, Desmond was wrong,etc, etc. <p> Or maybe Desmond is a lying scoundrel, and saw a vision of himself getting off the plane. <p> Oh and also my favourite line of the finale - Sawyer calling Frank 'Kenny Rodgers'.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    "Making it up as they go"

    by Redfoot the Fence

    It should be obvious to anyone with a quarter of a brain that at some point in Season 1, a master outline was completed and the series was pieced together from there. Did they know which characters were going to be prominent two or three years down the line? Of course not: the original plan was to kill Jack halfway through the pilot, for chrissakes! But to say, at this point, that the writers have been "making it up as they go along" is asinine. Lindelof was quoted somewhere as saying that the "Adam and Eve" bit in Season 1 was thrown in there as a sort of retro-proof that the series DID have a direction and a PLAN from the beginning...but really, is it THAT HARD TO BELIEVE that Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams sat down for a few days and mapped out the major points of the series, while leaving plenty of room for creative freedom for the actors and writers?

  • May 30, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Why would you want to read the spoilers?

    by The Dude Abides

    I'm asking out of sincerity and honest curiosity here, I'm not trolling. I just want to know why you would want to read a short synopsis for something that has been building up over an entire season, something you've become emotionally invested in? What satisfaction do you get from reading spoilers? And, if you're lostfan108, what satisfaction do you get out of being the one to spoil something? Other than to be the guy that says, "nah nah na nah nah, I knew it before you." Only those willing to discuss the nature of spoilage seriously need reply.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Why would you want to read the spoilers?

    by The Dude Abides

    I'm asking out of sincerity and honest curiosity here, I'm not trolling. I just want to know why you would want to read a short synopsis for something that has been building up over an entire season, something you've become emotionally invested in? What satisfaction do you get from reading spoilers? And, if you're lostfan108, what satisfaction do you get out of being the one to spoil something? Other than to be the guy that says, "nah nah na nah nah, I knew it before you." Only those willing to discuss the nature of spoilage seriously need reply.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Oh...Forgot about another great Locke line...

    by Cheif Brody

    JACK: "You threw a knife into the back of an innocent woman...and you led everyone into an ambush...and...you blew up..." <p> LOCKE: "Yeah?..Well...You put a gun to my head and pulled the trigger, Jack". <p> ZING!!! So glad he threw that in Mr. Hero's face. Classic.

  • May 30, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Who else wanted Locke to just start gibbering

    by samsquanch

    questions at Alpert and the Others. <p> There were a lot of quickly tied-up loose ends that whipped past us in this ep... Like when Kate asked: "Is that it? we can leave the island?" Considering that for 4 seasons Ben and the Others have been doing everything in their considerable power to prevent just that from happening... <p> So Locke finally becomes the leader of the Others, a big switcheroo, even if we did see it coming, still a huge deal for the losties, and the show. If I were him, the first order of business would have been "what the FLYING FUCK is this place???" And so on. BUt nope, we still have to wait until next frigging year to find out anything more, even though Locke is standing right there, with the Others willing and ready to answer all his questions. <p> Love the show, but one little hint from Alpert might have been nice. Something tasty for us to chew on for the next 50 weeks.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Bunger...

    by MachThree

    The tunnel to the wheel was behind the closet. Ben put the metal in the closet and activated the machine knowing it would cause an explosion, blowing a hole in the closet to the tunnel.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Role-Play Elements & Red Herring Endings

    by DeeJay

    One of the strengths to "Lost" has been the thorough manner in which role-play game sensibilities (especially in relation to the abilities and alignment of each character) have been used. To that end, I almost think that alternate scenes and endings have been filmed for more than one purpose. First is what's been said announced about throwing fans off of the trail and being proactive about storyline leaks. The second could possibly be to follow the spirit of the "Endlessquest" book series, and have DVD options to watch season 4 with different storyline elements. This would go beyond the usual "alternate endings" features, and the writers and producers seem thorough enough to pull that off.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Re: Making It Up As They Go Along

    by lord_zedd

    anyone who is vehemently defending this show ("LOST DOES KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING! THE WRITERS ARE SO COOL! SHUT UP! HOW DARE YOU HAVE A NEGATIVE OPINION! YOU'D THINK THIS WAS A FREE WORLD OR SOMETHING! AHHHHHHHHH! OK LET'S GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT KATE'S BOOBS") should take a step back and realize they are in love with a show that is now about a poorly computer generated island that can be steered to Idaho by turning a Donkey Wheel.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Kenny Rogers

    by evildeadgeorge

    Sawyer calling Frank "Kenny Rogers" was my fav line of the episode, and second only to calling Roger WorkMan "Skeletor" on my list of best Sawyerisms.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    ok... whatever. I still like the show, but give me a break

    by hamster factor

    seriously. you guys are too defensive. I have no doubt they had some IDEAS in the beginning (and I'm sure "Adam and Eve" will pay off - I'm looking forward to it) but nothing even close to a "detailed outline". and if they did they long ago threw that out - probably at some point in s2 when they obviously started taking direction from ABC suits wanting to stretch out the story and keep the cash cow going for 8 years or some such. thank god they corrected from that course - otherwise I think the show would have been canceled by now.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    The Dude Abides

    by alex138

    as a struggling spoiler addict i can sum it up in one word: impatience. People obsessed with spoilers are usually those who just can not wait to find out what happens next. I know thats why I seek them out.

  • May 30, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    re: spoilers

    by hamster factor

    after having successfully dodged the bullet of spoilers for Through the Looking Glass, I've learned it's worth it to wait - I honestly had no clue what was happening in that episode until the end, and that was definitely the way to see it

  • May 30, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Dog food? How about...

    by kuldan

    Rabbit shit is in that frozen room? All that time travel testing scares the shit out of those rabbits...

  • May 30, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST