May 28, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST
by A G
It needs to be edgy and compelling like American dramas such as Lost and to a much lesser extent Heroes. Right now Dr Who is complete and utter SHIT.
May 28, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST
though entitled to his/her opinion, of course. Though they might have noticed that's exactly what's happened with the announcement of new showrunner Steven Moffatt. The Gaiman news is interesting - presumably this'll be for Series 5 which will broadcast in 2010 (2009 will be four feature-length specials which are already written, I understand). Writing wishlist for Who? Kim Newman, China Mieville, Michael Marshall Smith, Iain Banks...
May 28, 2008, 1 p.m. CST
by Phil Connors
Too weird, even for sci fi geeks.
May 28, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST
Gaiman *is* a fan of the new Dr. Who, but he's been approached to write for the show before, and he's turned it down. Also, I believe he's working on at least two movie scripts right now (or potentially working on them -- he's very hush hush that way). So don't get your hopes up. Not that I wouldn't love to be wrong.
May 28, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST
That would be my dream writer for Doctor Who, along with Gaiman. Others would include Ultaviolet's Joe Ahearne writing an episode (he's already directed some), Jed Mercurio and Daragh Carville (check out his Radio 3 play 'Regenerations'). I don't think Gaiman has been approached to write before. But it has been reported that he recently had a long dinner meeting with Moffat.
May 28, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST
It would be interesting to see an episode from Gaiman, although Shakespeare's probably out after "The Shakespeare Code." I'm also encouraged that Robert Shearman, who wrote "Dalek," may be coming back now that RTD's out. <p>I have to say, though, the writer I really want to see is Warren Ellis. Ellis comes up with some brilliant concepts when he's not indulging in fetishism and pandering to his Suicide Girls minions.</p>
May 28, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/6acm7v I guess plenty of people, including myself, must have sent this link for the mid-series trailer to Herc. For anyone unaware, Doctor Who was not broadcast in the UK this week. largely because of the Eurovision Song Contest. Hence the lack of reviews this week. But the BBC broadcast this extended trailer instead.
May 28, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST
by A G
Dr Who is just a silly kid's fantasy show. It is sci-fi in the same kind of way Biker Mice From Mars is Sci-Fi. The show is dreadful.
May 28, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST
I mean, didn't people realize that it's terrible long ago? I've never been able to get through an episode.
May 28, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST
E's a Gai Man Nauw! --Catherine Tate
May 28, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
yet you regenerate! I do no fire or acid damage to counter the effect! What am I to do, as you are a Troll! Heh.. ANYWAYS, you are right that it's supposed to be kid-friendly, especially the episodes from way back when. Dreadful, though? Fans may admit some of the new episodes are sometimes contrived and silly, but if you truly think the show is dreadful, then generations of people keeping the show on for around 50 years must all be beneath you.
May 28, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST
I disagree. Tongue-in-cheek cheesiness and a hint of derangement is, and always has been, a big part of the Dr Who DNA. Without it it simply wouldn't be Dr Who. It would be like making a PG-13 Die Hard or Terminator. Futile. There's plenty of other shows that do Lost and Heroes style edginess, like , um, Lost and Heroes. I guess Torchwood is kind of an attempt at taking a more serious approach to the same universe. Being a bit silly is part of the Who charm, re-tooling it after, what, 6 trillion years of history would be wrong headed. Maybe they could just revive Quantum Leap instead, that's the same sort of thing.
May 28, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST
Pay attention here: I've read Neil's online journal, and he so thoroughly neither confirms nor denies this (even *posted a direct question* from a fan the other day and then proceeded to completely ignore it *in the answer to the question*!) that I think it's for real. He's actually doing it. Which, as I've mentioned before, wouldn't be a bad thing at all. palimpsest made a fine list of authors up there near the top, but I don't think many of them have experience writing for the screen (certainly not as much as Gaiman does). Warren Ellis, on the other hand, I could see writing an episode - especially since I've seen the Global Frequency pilot, and know for a fact that he knows what he's doing.
May 28, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST
Longevity does not equal quality.
May 28, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST
It needs a few more minutes to develop the plot and a little more writing finesse. There was something incredibly patient about the older episodes, although that might just have been because they hadn't enough content to fill their time with...
May 28, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST
...there's an unproduced/unfinished Stephen Fry WHO script in RTD's hot little hands. WHO's such a cultural touchstone in the UK that pretty much any UK TV writer/genre-associated author would love a crack at an episode. Jasper Fforde, Ken McLeod, Ashley Pharaoh, Clive Barker, Jeff Noon...
May 28, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST
then I'm sure Neil will work well. For those of you don't know, Douglas Adams, author of Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, cut his teeth working on Doctor Who scripts. I'd love to see a Neil Gaiman Doctor Who. It'd be both fun and creepy. Hell, Neil even looks like the son of Tom Baker. But I'd REALLY love to see an Alan Moore Doctor Who, though maybe he's better suited to Torchwood. Because you know if he wrote it, it'd be all sorts of fucked up and British.
May 28, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST
has been pretty dreadful, some good bits but no out and out classics yet - it usually manages 3 or 4 such eps per season. Big and small screen adaptations of Gaiman's work haven't exactly filled me with excitment at this news. Sure MOffat can whip him into shape.
May 28, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST
by Strange Interlude
Darkocity, maybe it's just me, but the Chris Eccleston Doctor always felt like a standard irascible-but-goodhearted Warren Ellis protagonist, ripped-from-trendy-Internet-sites expository dialogue and all. Seriously, take your basic Spider Jerusalem model, swap out the Hunter S. Thompson quirks for some of Ford Prefect's, and you basically have the 9th Doctor.
May 28, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST
no matter how wrong it may be.
May 28, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST
Like his writing style.
May 28, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST
I am surprised RTD did not do this sort of thing himself. Neil Gaiman, Warren Ellis, Chris claremont, grant Morrison. maybe even Alan Moore. I am sure they all grew up watching the Doctor and are familiar with the mythos. <P> I would not mind seeing Ricky Gervais pen an episode, either, if we are bringing in some nontraditional writers for WHO.
May 28, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST
really. some better quality writing and it will up thew shows kudos
May 28, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST
Not that there's anything wrong with that!
May 28, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST
Stop talking out of your ass fool.
May 28, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST
Gaiman writing an episode would be awesome! Dr Who is sci fi, it is British sci fi quintesentially British. It is not always dark and edgy like some of its American counter parts but it is still sci fi none the less. Dr Who has shaped the face of sci fi over the years and many of todays writers cite Dr Who as an influence on them. So please if you don't like Dr Who then why waste your time posting on a Dr Who talkback.
May 28, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST
The world's longest-running science-fiction series, despite being extremely popular in the U.K. since its return in 2005, apparently sucks because A G or Trazadone don't like it. <p>Well, okay then. Thanks for letting us know, guys. I honestly don't know what we were thinking by enjoying the show until you chimed in.</p>
May 28, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST
Gaiman is great!
May 28, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST
It certainly "doesn't need revised." It's not the same sort of show as Lost. Anyway, you'll get your wish for better overall episodes since Steven Moffet is taking over showrunning next series. Also, you're talking about revising the number one scripted show in Great Britain, which would be the same as some sabertoothed Englishman suggesting that Lost be revised with more cheeky humor.
May 28, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST
After it was camped up to 99% after Billie Piper left, it needs to be re-grounded. Had Eccleston stayed for another series, I think the new Who would have been a much more serious series. badum-ching
May 28, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST
So deal with it fuckers.
May 28, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST
Until now Dr Who is overall just fine. We don't need a revision.The style is at it should be, thats whats makes it so appealing. RTD should get some credit for that. Tennant is maybe the best doctor we ever had or will have. We just need better scripts and yes the current companion was/is a big mistake......
May 28, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST
at the moment..... the potential of this show has not been scratched, this could be and epic series with huge story arcs and actors that have the potential to do "great things" but as it is at the moment..... it sucks ass
May 28, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST
Death movie? <p>Or would that actually be Cool News?</p>
May 28, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST
who they need to get is ellis...totally fuck up the series
May 28, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST
Only than he'd been asked. <br><br> As for Death, yeah, he's doing it. Guillermo del Toro is producing it. "When" is the operative question, but I'd imagine it will be sometime after his new novel comes out.
May 28, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST
... cut his comic writing teeth on Dr Who weekly for Marvel UK, so it would be nice to see him come full circle and script a tv episode. That being said he holds a notorious disdain for the limitations television and film impose on storytelling, and was known to have an unhappy experience whilst scripting the unmade Fashion Beast for Malcolm McClaren.
May 28, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST
A G: Doctor Who gets watched by far more people than Heroes or Lost in the UK. And it would lose its family audience if it tried to be more like them. DKT: Keep your hopes up. Neil Gaiman has been writing more and more about Doctor Who in his journal of late. Wonder why? Trazadone: See "Blink". Report back. oisin5199/Darkocity: Alan Moore has written for the Doctor Who comic... More to come in next week's LITG.
May 28, 2008, 5 p.m. CST
by the grev
Oi! You lot! I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. Gaiman may be a bit of a whiz (an overrated one in my opinion)when it comes to comics, but so far his few forays into tv haven't been much cop. Neverwhere was on the whole a pile of fairly amateurish wank with a villain that stuck out a mile - but it still took 6 laborious episodes for the villain to be unmasked. Pants.
May 28, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST
that gaiman keeps of himself in the attic that ages instead of him...fucker looks the same after 20 years...i hate him
May 28, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST
he said he had been asked...but he never posted that he said no...and he just finished his last novel...and maddie is a big fan...and im just gonna keep on ramblin...and i want ellis to be the new show runner on heroes
May 28, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST
Would not be suited to Dr Who, he's much more Torchwood. Although I'm not sure how original his traditional British bastard in a black suit who chain smokes and swears would work...
May 28, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST
by A G
but it is incredibly bad nowadays and that simply cannot be denied. I understand the quirky campness that underlines certain aspects of the Who mythology but it doesn't explain the completely terrible CGI or the gobsmackingly unexciting villians which are rolled out week after week and in the case of the more established enemies (Daleks, Cybermen) DECADE AFTER DECADE. It's a called a CHEAP RETREAD which is why it needs completely revised. Everything, EVERYTHING that happens from show to show is amateurish and rushed. Oh look GIANT WASPS ! Hey all these weird ghosts are walking around..NO WAIT ITS JUST THE CYBERMEN AGAIN. FUCKING HELL.
May 28, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST
more the plank's that are in control of it..... there have been some great episodes since the re-launch but those are becoming less and less, David tenant is a great dr but i think he turns in the odd bum episode recently just doesnt look as into it as he was, and he seems to be using one expression a lot too !!!! Dr who is ace as a concept i just wish someone else with more scope and not trying out to sell out to 12 year olds aka george lucas .... would have a crack ??
May 28, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST
crap music in the new episodes too !? epic theme not used enough
May 28, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST
Hell that should toss in a bit of the old Sci-fi in the series.
May 28, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST
The Doctor in Brentford, how cool is that? <p> Why isn't there a Brentford mini-series?) <p> The Doctor teaming with Thursday Next for a Bookworld episode, way cool. Harkens back to Troughton and his "master".
May 28, 2008, 6:42 p.m. CST
Gaiman's Babylon 5 episode was pretty darn good.
May 28, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST
Well, it's its biggest problem and yet one of its best strengths. They cram way too much into one 45 minute episode and so in the end they can't create enough character development, tension and drama. Somehow they managed it in season 1 and parts of 2 and 3 but now I'm wishing each episode was a 2-part story so at least it could have some impact.
May 28, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST
Not that I agree with the direction he suggests, but all the rejoicing with the news that RTD is leaving suggests that WE ALL agree New Who desperately needs revising! <p> ...and we hope Moffat will be doing just that - but I'm sorry G, nobody wants to see it look anything like the shows you suggest. <p> Having said that, I do miss the longer story arcs of the old shows - what's the longest we've got from RTD? Three episodes? Where are the seven or eight episode stories that had enough plot and character development to actually elicit the kind of respect and admiration that brings fans to the new show - and makes them sit through RTD's pathetic attempts with little more than a glimmer of hope something good might occasionally shine through?? <p> If rumours are true that Gaiman was previously approached to write and turned it down, I hope the news that RTD is out might change his position and he might actually accept this time - at this point ANYONE who isn't Davies has got to be an improvement in the writing dept!
May 28, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST
Neil Gaiman had done anything of note since Sandman but if it weren't for that book, which was great, no one would care about his other works. Also, Dr. Who sucks.
May 28, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST
I hope he doesn't pen an episode as bad as his *Mirrormask* lest the RTD apologists demand that that chap return and write every episode from then on. *Beowolf* was decent though.
May 28, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST
and both of these American writers are big Doctor Who fans... Peter David and JMS. And both know scifi.
May 28, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST
...most of the writers on *Supernatural* could write excellent *Doctor Who* as long as the showrunner (Moffat) could interject and "British up" the scripts. The RTD crew had a general UK only policy towards the franchise which is fine and dandy but nationality should be a secondary concern to the actual quality. Thank goodness for Steven Moffat and Paul Cornell.
May 28, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST
Does EVERY Goddamn show got to be a dead-serious, technobabble mindfuck? BSG, Heroes and Lost have their place, but so does Who, which at least has a sense of how silly the genre is in general.<p> And NOBODY bitching about the current show's CGI has any business on this TB...true Whovians remember when Gallifrey was attacked by a rod of plastic curtains being jiggled off-camera by a BBC stagehand. And that was a GOOD episode!
May 28, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST
Maddy LOVES Doctor Who.
May 28, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST
That's an overgeneralization, but that's the sense I get from reading these talkbacks: That the people who dislike the series are incapable of making intelligent, thoughtful criticisms. They range from juvenile reductive comments like "It sucks," to making pompous condescending statements like "You can't deny that it sucks." IMHO: Overall, I enjoy the new show. I do agree that I miss the multi-episode of the format of the old show, and under RTD's direction, there does seem to be an overabundance of smug attitude, inappropriate goofiness, and a lack of solid science fiction plots. On the flipside, new Doctor Who has yielded several episodes that I think are standout television fantasy/science fiction (Specifically, "Blink," "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances," "Father's Day" and "Human Nature/The Family of Blood."). I thought all of those individual episodes were superbly written, ingenious, original, full of interesting characters and clever plot twists. No, they are in no way like the writing or style of shows like "BSG," "Farscape," "Lost," or "Heroes," and that's just fine by me. I love all those other shows, but the last thing I want from watching one show is that it be a clone of another (even if a good clone).
May 29, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST
by Big Dumb Ape
Personally, I never got into SANDMAN (basically his real claim to comics fame) and his other works have always left me even colder. On the flip side, if you told me Alan Moore was writing an episode, then I'd be totally stoked. But hey, to each his own...<p>All in all though, I would agree on one thing: if Moffat is now going to think more "outside the box" in terms of who'll he'll approach about writing some episodes of the show...to vary the "voice" of things more...then more power to him. As he takes over as showrunner from RTD, that's certainly a VERY positive sign right from the start.
May 29, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST
The idea that was eye-opening and staggering to me, when I first saw an imported episode on PBS in the 80's, was the concept of travelling through the history of an extra-terrestrial planet. Had never thought of that, until then.
May 29, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
Can't believe I never thought of that. What a good idea. <P>I sort of agree about it needing toughening up, but despise Lost and the season of Heroes currently airing in the UK is the worst thing on television at the moment (yes- even worse than Torchwood).
May 29, 2008, 5:29 a.m. CST
...odd comments on that from A G who's not been paying attention. The four series of the revived WHO are coming together into one long story. The arc was seeded in the first episode of the revival. Of course, if you want the full-on fanwankery on this, pop over to digitalspy or outpost gallifrey, where the forums are slick with anticipation...
May 29, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST
by Johnny Wishbone
May 29, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST
by A G
Is that it has the influence of the BBC written all over it. Most Americans don't understand that BBC1 produces the WORST of national television in the UK. It's terrestrial rivals iTV and Channel 4 make genuinely great television shows and the BBC just cannot compete. If Channel 4 invested its time and money into a Sci-Fi show that represented the channel's ethos then we would probably be looking at the best sci-fi show on British television. WHO needs to MOVE.
May 29, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
Channel soap. Name 1 great ITV programme made in the last 5 years. I dare you. BBC on the other hand has had a plethora of great comedy, a couple of cracking dramas and Who. Channel 4 used to, and used to buy great television but next week the summer long misery of Big Brother starts. <P>Don't make out Terristrial TV in the UK is good it isn't. And a personal bugbear of mine. I hate paying the License fee. But I hate paying it even more now because the BBC ALWAYS has 5 minutes of advertisements between programmes. I don't give a fuck if they are trailers for other BBC productions/ Radio- they should not be allowed to do it.
May 29, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST
by A G
You clearly have never watched any of the (Non-Comedy/Sci-Fi) one off and mini series dramas that ITV produced. They easily stand toe to toe with American productions.
May 29, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
Name them- from the last 5 years. For every one you do I can either tell you why it is shit or give you a high class BBC one. <P>I will give ITV props for getting Dexter though. That was a very, very pleasant surprise.
May 29, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST
by Lost Jarv
on ITV as I fucking can't stand Lost and don't know why. And the new series of Heroes is officially the worst thing on Television until Big Brother starts.
May 29, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST
by the grev
Neil Gaiman's never been as good as he's cracked up to be. The Sandman only gained any attention at all because it's lead character looked like a goth, so goths the world over (me included!) flocked to buy it. At the end of the day the Sandman is seriously overrated, and Gaiman's been sitting on his laurels ever since. Anyone who tells me he's a better writer than Alan Moore, Warren Ellis, Ed Brubaker, Grant Morrison (when he's not being deliberately obtuse) or Mike Mignola is cracked in the head!
May 29, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST
by the grev
Also the Sandman letters page was the worst letters page of any comic ever published ever - fact! It was full of letters by 15 year old 'Gothic Punk Rockers' writing appalling sub byronesque poetry about the sandman - it was so bad it made even Neil Gaiman's writing look good.
May 29, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST
That episode would be a keeper!
May 29, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST
I am sorry, I know that there are issues regarding Who. But that said, the relaunch has to be considered a success. I am tired of so-called fans that want to make Who into something that it NEVER WAS.
May 29, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
It does not need to be Americanized to be edgy. I understand that there are elements which are lost to non-British fans..... Deal with it. It is not as if American culture is the sole standard for all that is good...
May 29, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST
Or Canadian RESIDENT I guess. Seriously. Sidney Newman was born in Toronto, and worked for the Canadian National Film Board. Far as I'm concerned, he joins fellow Canadian and Rambo creator (he wrote the novel 'First Blood') David Morrell as the one of the great Canadian contributors to the pop culture of another country. That said, Who IS British through and through. It would not be what it is if the BBC didn't pick up the ball the CBC dropped and ran with it. Not to mention, even as a Canadian, hearing the Dr's home planet pronounced as 'Gallifr- EH!' would start to grate after a while.
May 29, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST
That should be 'Canadian' in the subject heading and 'as one of...' rather than 'as the one of...' Damn.
May 29, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST
As a Gaiman fan, I'd be tuning in to see an episode penned by him. I started with Tom Baker episodes on TV Ontario, but have been out of the loop for far too long. I liked 'Neverwhere', but 'Mirrormask' was a huge disappointment. Neat Dave McKean visuals, but the story was so by-the-numbers. And, as someone who thinks Kim Newman is an unjustly overlooked here in North America, I'd watch anything he wrote too.
May 29, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST
so I can't speak on the matter. Has to be better than RTD's worst ep's, at least. As for Moffat making significant changes, seems like I read a link on Gallifreyone.com that his run would probably still be very much in the vein of RTD, as far as the flavor of the show is concerned. Admittedly, any writing, or selection of writers will be better. That said, I hope that he'll get rid of some of the modern sitcomsy, dramedy feel of the new Who. Fingers crossed that he'll be the guy who can give me the modern bridge between the old Who and the new program. Less pop culture references, and social issues all the damned time.
May 29, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST
Each to his own, fellas. I just happen to think you're wrong. Doctor Who, when firing on all cylinders, is about as good as family sci-fi gets. Sure, there's been some duff episodes since the relaunch. Some downright howlers, too, but when it works, it really works. Shame you guys dismiss it out of hand, you're missing some quality entertainment.<p>As for Gaiman, well that news just warms the cockles, don't it? Great writer and will no doubt add a sprinkle of magic to the episode(s) he writes. On a seperate note, Gaiman's 'Coraline' movie. Does anyone have an update on this?
May 29, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST
Gaiman writing an episode of Dr Who would be pretty frigging great. I'd love to see the kind of fucked up goodness that Garth Ennis would add if he was ever to write an episode of Dr Who. Granted, it certainly wouldn't be for kids.
May 29, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
If I was a big enough writer to be courted by a show my daughter *and* I loved to write an episode, it would be tough to turn down. You're right, there's no better motivation for him to do it.
May 29, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST
Just for a lark, they ought to contact some big-name American and/or Hollywood (which would mean British as well) writers of sci-fi, fantasy, and horror, and have them pen a few episodes. For instance, I'd love to see what Stephen King would do with Dr. Who, or what Terry Gilliam would do. (Then again, King is probably too busy waxing philosophical about baseball, and Gilliam is probably too busy directing some movie that's underfunded and is plagued by the Munchausen Syndrome.) Just a thought.
May 29, 2008, 1:56 p.m. CST
And come on, admit it ... Wouldn't you like to see what Guillermo Del Toro would do if given a shot to both write AND direct an episode or series of episodes?
May 29, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST
The Michael Bay episode would have every monster that's ever been in the programme having a big fight. Verhoeven's episode would be a darkly satirical dig at Britain with lots of tits and gore. Greengrass's episode would have everyone honking their dinners up as the TARDIS jerked around the screen, Tarantino's episode would suddenly and for no apparent reason veer off into Blake's 7 or Space 1999, Speilberg's one would be very well crafted and entertaining until the last two minutes, when an utterly implausible and saccharine-sweet ending would totally ruin the previous thirty-nine minutes and the Brett Ratner episode would simply copy what everyone else did. <p>Shame old Russ Meyer's carked it - his one would've been a great excuse to bring Peri back. I'd be steering well clear of the Rob Zombie episode, though...
May 30, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
It's massive in the UK and around the world because it is an excellent series. If you can't even sit through 'Blink' or the 'Human Nature/Family of Blood' two-parter then you are a lost, soulless man.
May 30, 2008, 5:15 a.m. CST
But let us not forget the Tim Burton episode or the Chris Carter episode, or the Richard Kelley episode. In the first, everyone and everything will be dour and gothic, with whimsical touches that make little sense. In the second, Dr. Who and his Companion are suddenly replaced by two new characters who we care little to nothing about. And in the third, nothing in the episode makes any sense at all until the last five minutes, when it all falls into place. But by that time we've been hammered so heavily with theme and premise that we can't even see straight. It'll go on to become a cult favorite for no apparent reason, and will feature a giant bunny rabbit.
May 30, 2008, 5:18 a.m. CST
But still, I would be genuinely interested in seeing what King would do. He seems to have gotten good at writing for television.
May 30, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST
by Mr Gorilla
Dr Who is a KIDS' SHOW. The shows it's often unfavourably compared to - Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly - aren't. There's nothing wrong with adults enjoying kids' fiction - look at the generations who adored Lewis Carroll, or the many grown-ups who read J K Rowling today. But, you know, call a spade a spade. YOU ARE WATCHING A KIDS' SHOW! And it's a very successful kids' show, one that children seem to adore. [Though personally... ugh. I really can't bear it. Horrible acting. Over-dependence on (bad) effects. And lack of ANY interesting relationships - c'mon RTD, at least you could have learnt THAT from the brilliant Joss Whedon.]
May 30, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
ITV produces nothing but wank. Britain's Got Talent and I'm A Celebrity are it's mainstays. You do not know what you are talking about. Channel 4 produces good stuff, but the Beeb is right up there with it. Nearly all the big successful dramas out of England in the last 5-10 years are BBC ones. And to say is Who is "incredibly bad nowadays and that simply cannot be denied" - you sad berk. I think you'll find that a LOT of people DO deny it; on this very Talkback for one. Go away and watch Blink and Human Nature/The Family of Blood, and the last ten minutes of Utopia. Tennant is fantastic and Who is superb.
May 30, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST
You're entitled to your opinion, and so am I, and this is it: Number one, Doctor Who is made for both children and adults. So in other words, it is -- most of the time -- a family oriented show. True, BSG and LOST are not family shows, but it IS fair to compare Dr. Who to them on the artistic level, which includes the storytelling level. Its cheesiness may not be your cup of tea, but to me, it's more the "Hudson Hawk" kind of cheesiness, which I personally find enjoyable. Now, Number Two, Doctor Who has lived on television for forty years. Take that in a moment ... FORTY YEARS. It has been through ten actors, several different writer-director-supervisors, and various different incarnations. Now, you can say that it's the worst thing on TV if you want. But series don't live that long without a following. And so, if you're going to say with an empirical tone that it indefatigably sucks balls, then as I said, you're entitled to your opinion ... But you've got millions of fans to argue with and convince ... And that includes a few previous generations.
May 31, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST
..and RTD? As if there are no redeeming features to the show. It is not SHIT to be a family show aimed at 8-80 year olds. &%$! off, get some perspective and watch Battlestar Gallactica or Lost for the same old shit each day but more 'adult' fun. Speaking of which, Lost had one high quality season, the first one. Since then, it's totally been losing the plot. Doctor Who has gone the opposite. Lost needs complete revising nevermind 'Who'.
May 31, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST
by spud mcspud
Last thing we need is a pale-and-wan melancholic wannabe Victorian vampire-type fucking emo dude playing the Doctor. Which is pretty much Gaiman's staple lead character. The only thing Gaiman would be good at in Who would be to write ALL the episodes for the lost Paul McGann 8th Doctor season, because if that Doctor wasn't trying to be the fucking Sandman I don't know what is. With the exception of STARDUST (which may be due to Jane Goldman's take on Gaiman's novel) and CORALINE, and the DEATH graphic novels that were passable, I've pretty much hated everything he ever wrote. Pompous emo bollocks.
May 31, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST
by spud mcspud
Re HUDSON HAWK - I got your back. Top quality cheese, and I'd write them ten sequels if there was a chance that one would be made. Ditto for anything made by the legendary Kurt Russell / John Carpenter combo. Fucking golden.
May 31, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST
Actually a family show, which is different. A kids show is something on at 2 or 3pm on CBBC. It's very patronising to all of the viewers who are not kids (which is most of the viewing audience). And it's a very successful family show: 13mil+ at Xmas and 7-9 mill per week so far this season. Numbers like that mean more than 8 years old's are tuning in. The effects are not bad at all unless you've set your standards too high and want LOTR budget (though some of LOTR is shoddy frankly) Joss Whedon is overrated. Buffy is totally overrated, especially by you. Too much emo bullshit.
June 1, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST
Way to go rumor-mongering assholes. You got called out on Mr Gaiman's blog: http://journal.neilgaiman.com/