CHOKE Trailer Online!! From The Author Of FIGHT CLUB...
MTV has posted a trailer for CHOKE. This one's from actor-turning-writer/director Clark Gregg (IRON MAN, IN THE LAND OF WOMEN, TV's THE WEST WING) & is adapted from a novel by FIGHT CLUB author Chuck Palahniuk.
I tried to embed the video for you, but couldn't get it to cooperate. So...you can see the trailer over at MTV (where it's available in HD) by clicking...
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May 28, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
The fuckers won't allow anyone outside of the US to view any fucking trailers. <br /> I understand that there are rights issues with TV shows and movies but why the fuck can't I watch a trailer? What possible use is that to anyone? I'm not going to start bootlegging the fucking thing. <br /> CUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 28, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST
Frickin classic joke!
May 28, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST
stop linking shit to MTV, will ya? Content restricted from playing anywhere outside of Ignoreland...
May 28, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
way to turn a pahalniuk novel into some lame romantic comedy
May 28, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST
by Francis Begbie
How could this be bad? The trailer was great. Anyone who disagrees sucks cock by choice.
May 28, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST
the trailer is up on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr67ych5pDI
May 28, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST
Glad to know I wasn't! Can't wait to check this out later.
May 28, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST
that looks great
May 28, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST
They belong together. Thank you smallfry for the option.
May 28, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
I couldn't decide if I loved it or hated it, which is usually the sign of a minor masterpiece. The trailer doesn't have the feeling of the book at all though. It's much lighter and more...well, Hollywood. Which is of course to be expected. <p>The only really recognizable aspect was the internal dialog, written in the exact same voice as in Fight Club. I'll of course check it out. </p>
May 28, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST
AICN posted months ago. I hope the movie has more of the trailer's feel and less of that CBS monday night sitcom vibe that clip promised. Either way I just hope it stays as faithful to the book as it can!
May 28, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST
but it looks like a fluffy comedy along the lines of Dan In Real Life, i hope we see a red band trailer soon that shows a darker side to this adaptation.
May 28, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST
Saw it at SXSW. Not very good. Cheaply shot, unevenly edited. Not at all what I expected. Sam Rockwell is good, but the locations/settings are cheaply handled, pacing is downright slow at times, and the disjointed nature of Palahniuk's characters just don't gel like Fight Club's did.
May 28, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST
Palahniuk can do great books and mediocre books, but this one is easily one of his more entertaining novels.
May 28, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST
Hopefully this won't suck balls.
May 28, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST
by Elemeno Pee
I have to say, the tone of the film doesn't look as dark as I'd thought it would be. Then again, the book is pretty light material compared to Survivor, Rant, and Fight Club. I guess Choke and Snuff are his comedies.
May 28, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST
I know this is mostly considered his weakest book, but I just loved it. As for Choke, I thought it was a very good book, but I agree that this movie does not hold the same tone. DIARY is awesome though! Give it another shot if you read it and didn't like it the first time. If you still don't like it, then I guess I am just an idiot :)
May 28, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST
If you click on the "watch it in HD" it'll let you watch it no matter where you are in the world. Aside from that though, I was REALLY let down by this trailer. Man. It's my favorite of Chuck's books and I was really excited to see it being made. The trailer doesn't give you any clue at all what it's about - it doesn't draw you in. I hope that the trailer isn't an indication of the finished film.
May 28, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
I can't watch this fucking shit because I'm a happy fucking resident outside the fucking US of A. FUCKING MTV BITCHES!!! DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
May 28, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST
by Abominable Snowcone
We do not talk about Choke
May 28, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST
Sat in Frankfurt and MTV works fine. They're still cunts mind.
May 28, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST
does it suck as much as the movie. I've heard a lot of things about this Chuck fellow, but I've always been reluctant to read his books after seeing Fight Club (or, as I like to call it the most overrated frat boy film ever made). The ending was one notch up from "it was all a dream." Lazy, lazy film.
May 28, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST
I remeber reading this when no one knew about Palahniuk and thinking to myself these books would make awesome movies, I guess a lot of other people felt the same way. I did like choke but I have to say that "Survivor" was my favorite also I thought "Invisible Monster" was very good and both should be on the big screen. I do agree with Elemeno Pee it will not be anything like Fight Club (mainly due to the fact that it's not directed by David Fincher) but I do hope that it will have that tone, because the book had that tone... The film is directed by Clark Gregg, who it turns out has never directed before but has acted in a lot of movie. This kind of worries me a bit cause I think Chuck's book deserves an established director who knows what hes doing in fact I think that David Fincher should direct all of Chucks works, he did an awesome job with Fight Club and nailed the tone of the book...but I'm going to give Gregg the benefit of the doubt and not judge him until I see the film!
May 28, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST
...is like the lovechild of Don Johnson and Owen Wilson.
May 28, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST
The Quick-sand scene in Crystal Skull was the film equivalent of The Fonz jumping the shark. It was -that- bad.
May 28, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
I personally love both but I think the film is better. Regardless, I doubt you'll find much to like in the book if you found the movie to be mediocre.
May 28, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST
I really want to like his stuff, but the only films by Fincher I can really get behind are Seven and Zodiac. I love both movies. The man is undeniably talented, but he is not always firing on all cylinders. He's kind of like M. Night Shyamalan. When he's good, he's really, really good, but when he's not it's just a letdown.
May 28, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST
by Dr. Butthole
I read the book and I SEE the big points of the book peaking through. I was really curious how they were going to market this thing. It's a great book, but not standard American movie-going audience stuff. I'm really pumped to see this one.
May 28, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST
really like it!...plan on reading Snuff as well.
May 28, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST
give me a fuckin' break, how is fight club lazy? oh because it had a twist ending? One that was actually well executed and at the time pretty fresh? (since then every other movie seems to have the omg they're the same person and it's way too obvious anyway...I'm looking at you Rear Window and several others...) Because it was incredibly faithful to a book that most people would say could never be adapted effectively into a coherent film? please, enlighten me and the book is great, very similar to the movie but two different mediums so you might want to give it a shot.
May 28, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST
what does fight club have to do with frat boys?
May 28, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST
The film begins as some sort of critique of capitalist fulfillment. So what does the protagonist turn to? Fascism. The film promotes the fascist idea of the beauty of violence for most of its running time. That is, until the protagonist realizes that Fight Club is a fascist cult. Once he realizes this does a clear understanding of the ideologies of the film become apparent. No, instead of really tackling the issue of fascism and realistically handling the myth of the lost modern male, the film tacks on a lame twist ending where two people are the same person. Whoa, way to blow my mind. Then, to solve this problem Edward Norton shoots himself in the head. What kind of a genius thought up that solution? <p> It is an ideologically confused film. While it would be easy claim that most frat boys who love this film are merely misinterpreting it, I just don't think that's the case. I think the film doesn't know what it's trying to say. One minute of critique does not satisfactorily cancel out ninety minutes of pro-fascist propaganda. <p> Although, you are absolutely right that some of it is very well executed stylistically. I like the style of the film even though I cannot stand the characters, the plot, or the philosophy. Like I said, I want to like Fincher's movies more than I actually do like Fincher's movies.
May 28, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST
Please don't shoot me. <p> I agree, it's not Fincher's best, but it's still great.
May 28, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST
Plus the bumb stripper jokes were good. I like the trailer because it doesn't reveal a lot, but is telling. Not a whole lot of Angelica Houston though, or Kelly MacDonald.
May 28, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST
by Elemeno Pee
Looking forward to the other two Rant books.
May 28, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST
I love that film! Its just the begining. Why does a movie have to spell everything out for you? Tyler was a bad person with good ideas and the balls to do it. If anything that film made people go out and do things. the people who didn't get the message started punching each other as a means of expressing themselves. Others took a more edjucated approach to things and started to get involved in politics and finding true meaning to their life. I've never seen a movie make such a large impression on pretty much a whole generation of men and boys as this film has. Who cares what its about. I like what it did. Carpe Diem my friends.
May 28, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST
it's trying to be an anti establishment ode to chaos, even though it's just a slickly packaged monument to commercialism. i hate it. but i still love fincher's style, (which perhaps makes me a hypocrite as well). saw his beautiful ben button trailer in the theater, but an english language hasn't popped up online, yet.
May 28, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST
Saw it with six people, my four friends who read the book didn't really care for the movie. The rest of us liked it, pretty funny.
May 28, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST
Looks like I'll YouTube this one, too.<p> MTV isn't making any pals outside the USA.
May 28, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST
its very meh. very plainly shot nothing cool done with it like fight club. I never read the book so maybe it just suffers from being a less engaging story but I saw little creativity in the making of the film.
May 28, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST
Yes, yes it did work for me. In ways you can't even begin to imagine :O
May 28, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST
Nothing revolutionary, but it looks like it could be a fun little movie.
May 28, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST
I wouldn’t call the beginning of the film a critique of capitalism but rather materialism. Jack has played by the rules, has a nice life, a sterile apartment full of crap and plenty of money but he isn’t happy or even content. He is in fact so dissatisfied with his life that he subconsciously creates a second persona who basically acts as a channel for all of his pent up anger, aggression and frustration at what his life has become. He’s basically a materialistic, impotent twerp with a tedious job and the inability to affect change in his own life. Tyler Durden of course is the exact opposite; he’s proactive, aggressive, and he doesn’t give a damn about material possessions. He wears bizarre clothing comprised of an amalgamation of thrift store leftovers and he lives in a condemned, crumbling house. He’s is the antithesis of Jack in almost every possible way. I also don’t think the point of the fight clubs was “beauty in violence” but rather a return to the primal. Modern man is soft and flaccid and the concept of busting each other up to achieve a more visceral, raw sense of self isn’t all that farfetched. The fascist elements of the fight club don’t actually manifest until later, when the members, obsessed with non-conformity, decide to become the definitive conformists by joining a cult. At first these men are supposedly anti-conformist and anti-consumer but eventually they become no better than the people they target and ridicule; brain-dead sheep who do as they are told without question. I also think the twist ending is actually pretty brilliant precisely because it’s never cheap. The clues are there throughout the film and it makes sense within the context of the established narrative. Jack’s realization that he and Tyler are one and the same obliterates most of Fight Club’s philosophies and ideologies because Tyler is essentially Jack’s Id. Jack’s decision to kill himself is basically a decision to wrestle back control of his rogue Id, even if getting back that control requires suicide. The message here, at least from my perspective, is that materialism and sterile living (basically, life without visceral experiences) is one extreme and Project Mayhem is the other extreme. In Jack’s frustrations with materialism he inadvertently creates a monster in Tyler Durden whose solution is just as restrictive and narrow. The end of the film is Jack’s realization that the truth is somewhere in the middle; discovering that you don’t have to be a vacuous, superficial tool or an anarchist terrorist to live a decent, fulfilling life. I don’t think Fight Club hands out its themes and messages like candy but I do think it has something to say.
May 28, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST
Big surprise there, right? Get a fucking clue to whichever studio thought going through MTV to distribute their trailer was a fab idea. And to MTV... I know you thought you couldn't get anymore irrelevant in today's society, but putting up trailers that only a fraction of the Internet going public can see ratchets you up to that hard to reach notch of irrelevant -and- clueless.
May 28, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST
You babies that whine and cry about AICN posting a trailer that you can't see crack me up. AICN's audience has got to be easily over 80% from the USA and they are not supposed to post something less than 20% can't see. Give me a break and show a little patience, this stuff shows up in other places within hrs usually.
May 28, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST
by Death Monkey
Rbatty: You claim Fight Club to be an ideologically confused film, but is the measure of good cinema how staunchly consistent a film is in its ideologies (be they political or otherwise)? Can it be a point that the film IS ideologically confused, understood in the sense that that's exactly the landscape of the disenchanted, consumerist twentysomethings that populate the movie's post-modern shop-for-a-personality world? As for the film's supposed hypocrisy, this would assume the film is ANTI-corporate as such, but even if we should presume as much, I'll concede the movie is definitely part of the Corporate system that is criticized in Fight Club. It does not seek to exist outside of it, from a morally vindicated vantage point looking in on the rest of the consumer world. On the contrary, it embraces it. In fact that's what I think is really neat about it. It submits itself to all the watermarks of Hollywood, marketing, distribution, product placement, but the way it goes about these things is novel. Every time an act of violence occurs WHAM! you have product placement. Like the subliminal images splced between the Disney films much to the dismay of its target audience, here we have the movie offering consumerism in an always violent-context, suggesting some kind of relationship between the two. That's really fucking interesting to me. I'm no fratboy (that's a cheapshot, isn't it?) but I think you are misinterpreting it. Unlike most movies with a penchant for a skizophrenic plot twist in the end (and God knows I generally loathe twist endings!), Fight Club's is intrinsically imbedded in its aforementioned "undeciability" (that's basically fancy POMO talk for ambivalence). The modern male's psyche drifts towards both extremes to fill the void of the collapse of that great overarching theory that was supposed to make our lives "work". Materialism, capitalism, the free market, socialism, buddhism, new age, fascism... We go for consumerism. We go for spirituality (support groups = secular mass) and we go for fascism, we are willing to lose our individuality to escape being an individual in a world that doesn't make sense. We de-evolve. To a single organism, embracing the loss of control, embracing anarchy. When Fight Club came out that movie was the shit. Every hipster who ever had namedropped Noam Chomsky to get laid was all over it, and had the net been what it is today it would've been a viral cult hit weeks after its release. However, these last few years there's been a huge backlash. If you're a hipster today you better not like Fight Club. It's over-rated. You WANT to like it (really the single most smug review you can give), but you just can't...btw. a movie in need of a huge backlash: Mulholland Drive. Fight club's final message is the embrace of the futility of theory, of ideology, actually a lot like Angels in America. We're just lost people in a labyrinthine world wandering the streets, while the sky falls around us. Little by little. Btw. One of my favorite films of all time is Blade Runner (and I'm pretty sure you like it too). This is a film that visually offers a stark criticism of corporation gone wild, of consumerist degeneration, of the de-humanizing effect this world has on people. And yet one of the film's most iconic sequences shows the biggest Coca Cola product placement you ever saw. But I think it works. Because it had to reflect our world in order to foreshadow where we're headed. We see that giant billboard and we think of Time's Square, of Tokyo, palce we already know. Sure it was product placement, but it was in a context.
May 28, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST
Looks great though!
May 28, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST
by Bass Bastardson
The point of Fight club is that ANY ideology when taken to its extreme becomes corrupt and dehumanizing.
May 28, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST
by Dr. Stanley Goodspeed
has never had sex. you can tell by his post. it's all in there. read it again if you don't believe me.
May 28, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST
this guy knows how to pick the best roles
May 28, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST
this site is just too amazing...an absolute riff on the bullshit of the american dream which becomes a riff on the bullshit of anarchy...there are no absolutes, and the idealists are all dead...or should be....christ, why dont you fuckers just go back and watch transformers another hundred times
May 28, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST
I'm from the U.S. and it won't load for me. In fact I don't know if I've ever been able to load an exclusive MTV trailer. It's not just non-Americans.
May 28, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST
by Tony fucknuts
I remember watching it with my brother, and pretending i liked it before giving up. We decided the only way it could get pick up was if the two characters lezzed up. Which they did. Result. Trailer looks dull.
May 28, 2008, 5:45 p.m. CST
I have no idea what you're arguing about, but get a life man. Look at your post. It's a freaking essay. You're debating someone about some pointless bullshit on the Internet.
May 28, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST
Count me among those who find the tone of this trailer to be a bit off. I just finished the book a few days ago, and I almost want to read it again to see if I got the tone all wrong. Whoever called the trailer "breezy" above pretty much nailed it. I looks like I'm not alone in thinking the book was anything but breezy. I guess it could be interpreted that way but it feels really odd to me at the moment. Ah, well, I'll probably check it out at some point.
May 28, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
...films of all time is....drum roll please..... FIGHT CLUB. why yes bob, this film has it all - over reaching on the "message" people applying depth to where there is none. hammy performances hailed as fantastic this film deserves its award and I hope it wears it with pride.
May 28, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST
Damn You Michael Bay
May 28, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST
I dig Sam Rockwell and after his performance in Joshua gained another level of respect for the guy. I do hope that this film does contain the dark tone of the book, but it looks to be a good one.
May 28, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST
May 28, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST
Beautifully put, sir. I couldn't have summed up how I feel about Fight Club better. As for the Choke trailer, I agree with alot of the folks who said it should look darker. The book had a much more paranoid, sleazy, depraved vibe than this trailer is giving off. I'll still see the flick though, casting Rockwell as Victor is friggin' inspired. Here's to Kelly McDonald getting naked in it!
May 28, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST
Most people that read Chuck would rank Fight Club as his 3rd or 4th best book. Check out Haunted & Rant.
May 28, 2008, 8 p.m. CST
Love this book and this trailer looks just like it did in my head when I read the book first time. Can't wait.
May 28, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST
I also recall this feeling sleazier, as opposed to say "quirky", which is what I got from that trailer. Rockwell as Victor Mancini seems ok. <p> Oh well. <p> Choke was never my favorite Palahniuk anyway, I'd say Survivor takes that honor, and I frickin' dread the idea of Francis Lawrence adapting that. Anyone know if that is still the story on it?
May 28, 2008, 10 p.m. CST
I was not referring to your post, I had not even read it yet when I posted. I think we posted about the same time. I was referring to the morons that were actually cursing this site for providing the link. Cursing MTV is perfectly acceptable, in fact I would encourage it. There is plenty to hate about them. Any station that claims to be edgy and yet censors their own award shows deserves a little criticism.
May 28, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST
by Han Cholo
Is how obsessed we are at looking a certain way, working shit jobs to get a little bit of money to buy meaningless stuff. Essentially, we're robots toiling around everyday, not realizing that we can achieve something greater in our lives but since we're all so comfortable in our everyday routines, any kind of change fucks up our lives. Well for me, I had been reaching that point where I was going nowhere in life, had no real goals, working a shit 9-5 office clerk job, etc. I gotta say the stuff Tyler said just knocked me on my ass. Everything suddenly made sense. Yeah it was coming from this pretty boy but I think that was kind of the point, envisioning yourself as who you really want to be. I can't think of anyone who wants to be a fat slob spouting profound dialogue. I certaintly wouldn't. <p> Anyway so now I'm a lot more aware of my surroundings, people I deal with, jobs I take, stuff 'normal' take at face value. I question authority a lot more, especially here in our so-called free country where our government is spying on our phone conversations and we're fighting a war no one wants to fight. So yeah, that's what I got from it. But I realize people just see what they want to see. Some say it's nothing more than frat-boy humor. Me, personally, I fucking HATE frat boys so no, I don't think that applies here. I'm pretty much a laid back, mild-mannered, semi-enlighted guy who has a mind of his own. How bout you?
May 28, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST
Fuckin' love the book, and by the look of this trailer, gonna fuckin' love the movie
May 28, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST
by #1 Zero
Pick up a book called "Everything you know is wrong" It's not fiction, its a series of essays that expose the truth about things through revealing top secret information of the governement, to the little known history of our education system. Basically education as we know it is there to condition us to become employees and trust management. Why? Because the elites who ran industry didn't want that industry to be turned over to the masses or "run by the mob (us". Basically education is years of our lives that at best makes us believe we can have the lives we dreamed of but really that won't happen. There's alot of other interesting stuff in it from vatican bank money laundering, to what globalization really means, to what was recently banned as "space weaponry" That being alot of shit we thought was science fiction, and maybe the government is just giving a blanket ban on things that could come to be like tectonic shifting capability to lasers to chemtrails, but you have to believe they were at least conceiving those things otherwise they wouldn't be banned. Anyway, its a lot to think about much like fight club addresses consumerism or whatever other "isms".
May 28, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST
May 29, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST
The curious case of Benjamin Button Trailer is online for a couple of days now and I don't remember seeing anything on this site. <P> http://tinyurl.com/5k5c4a <P> Seeing that every project that comes out we like to hope David Fincher is going to direct. And since Harry Knowles gives Eli Roth all his ideas. hooah.
May 29, 2008, 5:20 a.m. CST
it gives me hope for the freakin US.
May 29, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST
Its Eric Roth that wrote it. Not Eli. I thought that was weird, fucking 2AM post.
May 29, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST
I've read all of Chucks books save for the one that just came out a week or two ago. And I'd have to say I put Fight Club as his second worst and Choke just above that. Haunted is his worst book, IF you have read all of his stuff before. Its like a brick on the head of they way Chucks mind works. BUT if you've never read a Chuck book before its probably the best to start with, because if you don't like it then you probably won't like the rest of his work. As for Fight Club and Choke, I saw Fight Club found out about the book after the fact and read Survivor first (which is by far his best and craziest). Then read Invisible Monsters/Choke/Lullaby/Diary then finally read Fight Club. And I found that on a whole Fight Club was way to brick on the head with its message, like every other page was DO THIS TO HIT BOTTOM. Fight Club is one of the few movies that surpasses the book, even Chuck says that. I am a big fan of his work I wish I could see him give a lecture. I kind of gave up on him after Haunted, but I still bought Rant and man stick with that book. I took me forever to read I just couldn't get into it, but then the last 1/3 is just crazy. Rant's documentary feel to it would make for an cool movie. <P> For people hating on Fight Club the movie, to each his own. But man that movie is so detailed and has so much going on that I notice something new every time I watch it, its a very unique movie in how it was done. The whole frat boy aspect of the movie is only because of the fight club concept and how frat boys think that its a cool idea and just they just take that away from the movie and totally miss the point. Thats why it gets the frat boy thinking attached to it. <P> The biggest thing I like about Chuck books was that it got me into reading. Partly because his books are so well made, material wise. They are just so easy to read, I wish all books were made like his. Also because Survivor was the first book that I read that spoke to me and made me look at life differently and it opened up a world of other books and authors. Chuck books are like gateway drugs. Though I am still pissed that my roomate gave away my original cover paperback copies of Survivor and Invisible Monsters, so I guess I still can't let go of my material possessions.
May 29, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
Tyler Durden or "The Narrator" or whatever and his "space monkeys" were fucking morons. They weren't right. They just hated their lives. Random acts of vandalism and destroying the credit card buildings wasn't going to accomplish anything. The movie works even less today for the same reason Office Space, made the same year doesn't. Most people would kill for the jobs these spoiled little pricks had. That was the point. And Tyler realized that at the end. The movie wasn't promoting fascism. It was depicting a bunch of dumb asses who didn't appreciate what they had. Sure the boss with the cornflower tie was an asshole. But the actions they all took wasn't anything to be admired. <p>That's what most people don't get about the movie. There were no heroes in it. It was a brilliant film that could never be made today.</p>
May 29, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST
by Death Monkey
You're right. You don't know what I'm arguing about. ;) Take care, some-guy-from-the-internet.
May 29, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST
I've never heard a real argument in the opposition. Even if you don't like the themes, which I can tell you are incredibly relevant to my generation at least, the filmmaking and performances are brilliant. And as an adaptation to the book its fucking perfect.
May 29, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST
by Ray Garraty #47
I don't see what being in a fraternity has to do with anything. I was in a fraternity and I seem to be capable of having intelligent conversations with most of the people who frequent this site. When you label things as "frat boy," when you mean "macho, posturing neanderthal bullshit," you are perpetuating a steroetype that is no more true than the tired "nerds in their grandmother's basement" label. Hell, regular message board posters are a fraternity of sorts, aren't they?
May 29, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST
And... all that trailer amounts to is a dumb blonde joke.
May 29, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
That is an axiom.
May 29, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST
by Teddy Artery
or repressed. The films created from his work seem homoerotic and misogynistic, typical of many of the most vocal ranters on this site... not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's annoying.
May 29, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST
on the trailer?
May 30, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST
NOVEL WAS GREAT...THIS LOOKS LIKE SHIT!!!
May 30, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST
Fight Club is about IGNORING MESSAGES. The message is to approach life moment-to-moment, based on what's in front of you. Not based on the lifestyle that's been marketed to you (Jack at the beginning), or the lifestyle that represents some ideal (Tyler)... instead, go for what makes you happy (Marla).
May 30, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
I went through a Palahniuk phase in 2005. When I got halfway through Invisible Monsters I was so sickened that I literally tore it in half. I don't think it was a bad book, I just seem to have problems dealing with extended descriptions of facial injuries. I agree with everyone saying Survivor is the best CP book. If I were a filmmaker, that's the one I'd want to make.
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